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henry winter's book about the england national team really is quite smthg. he goes to great lengths to shoehorn in terrible jokes. eg when describing the 1990 WC s-final he mentions gazza being told to stick close to matthaus except gazza doesn't know who matthaus is. this lack of awe about opponents is summed up by winter as "no fear and lothar"

or when england secure a 0-0 draw in rome to top their group in WC '98 qualififying and thus avoid a playoff in moscow in november which would have meant going "to russia in gloves". the whole book is like this, kinda amazing.

pandemic, Saturday, 25 June 2016 08:53 (seven years ago) link

goes out to interview steven gerrard in l.a where it's hot and humid -"california steamin'".

pandemic, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 09:20 (seven years ago) link

http://tvnewsroom.site/images/news-staff/henry-winter/henry-winter-Image-0001.jpg

he is like three drawings on from nult in an "evolution of football man" graph.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 29 June 2016 09:42 (seven years ago) link

in his chapter on the supremacy of the premier league over the england national team he goes to a pub/bar in L.A where they show epl games on a saturday morning, or as winter would have it - california streamin'.

also gets in a chapter on 'washbag culture' (which should be the new prem thread title really) where waddle, barnes, mark wright bemoan the youth of today seemingly forgetting that the england teams they played in never won fuck all either and in some cases failed to even qualify for tournaments.

Mark Wright - When I was an apprentice I had to clean boots, make tea. You can't get them to even make tea nowadays - Health and Safety.

pandemic, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 13:42 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Hull’s Robert Snodgrass starts Leicester title defence with shock defeat

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 13 August 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/aug/14/ander-herrera-chief-inventor-manchester-united-jose-mourinho

while on the left Joshua King is a converted striker who made diagonal runs into positions alongside Callum Wilson [...] This lopsided system is reminiscent of the approach popularised by Egil Olsen when managing Norway – it’s probably no coincidence King is Norwegian.

r|t|c, Monday, 15 August 2016 09:26 (seven years ago) link

enjoyed this by Daniel Taylor re: Andre Gray's tweets

There are memories of school (“Ma teacher told me a was a piece of shit.. saw her the other day driving a piece of shit”)

aromantic cuck (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 August 2016 11:12 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://twitter.com/immolations/status/649362287891980290

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r|t|c, Thursday, 29 September 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link

oh hang on which fitba sribe did i think m white was

r|t|c, Thursday, 29 September 2016 19:30 (seven years ago) link

Hatoful Journalist

imago, Thursday, 29 September 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link

The Telegraph’s sting worked because Allardyce and his associates wanted to believe he was a keynote speaker worthy of payment in hundreds of thousands. Allardyce was then foolish enough to try to impress them with a lot of big talk about third party ownership, plus the odd indiscretion about people in football. He didn’t have to play that game. He could have been immune and untouchable, happy with his new job and his £3m salary, completely focussed and committed. He didn’t have to be trapped. Anyway, that’s it for a short while. I’m taking a break and leaving you with this. If it isn’t huge by the time I get back, I’ll lose my faith in this country even more than I did over Brexit. Until next time.

then samuel drops loyle carner - no cd

pandemic, Friday, 30 September 2016 14:41 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Roy Keane has the face of a mercenary.Meet him before the walls of 15th Century Florence and one's heart would sink.

pandemic, Saturday, 15 October 2016 10:03 (seven years ago) link

re 2006 Euros, England vs Portugal

At the start Ronaldo comes up behind his Manchester United team-mate and nuzzles him, saying something that seems to be kind but almost certainly isn't, as Rooney then swings round to watch him go. It's like an impossibly beautiful Iago goading a simple lumbering Othello, an impression confirmed when , after Othello gets the red card, Ronaldo comes away with a tranquil smile.

pandemic, Saturday, 15 October 2016 10:09 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Contained in the media-activity schedule for England’s match with Scotland is this intriguing detail. ‘Friday, November 11. 11am — Two minutes’ silence during walk at The Grove (not open to media, however imagery available on request).’

Football has now reached peak Remembrance. It is not enough for England’s players to be silent in respect for the dead, they have got to be known to be silent and seen to be silent, too. There must be photographs of the silence, so we can marvel at how silently silent it was. Indeed, it raises that old philosophical question: if silence falls and nobody is there to witness it, does it make a sound?

pandemic, Thursday, 3 November 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

yeah might wanna work on that sales pitch

Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 10:21 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/jan/04/premier-league-possession-manchester-city

this is the most incoherent dreck i've read in some time

ogmor, Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:00 (six years ago) link

That is spectacularly bad. ManC is of a different class this season. That leads to 70% or more possession most games. Taking effing Newcastle to prove a moot point.

"it is much harder now than it was even 15 years ago to bully creative players out of the game. The result is an era in which the likes of Xavi, Luka Modric and David Silva have thrived."

Oh noes brilliant players are ruining the game!

This article coming the morning after what was arguably the best game of the season, uhave2laff

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:17 (six years ago) link

man utd have not quite spent enough to ruin the spectacle of the game by forcing teams to be much worse than them, but at the same time it would be arrogant for us to insist upon enjoying the spectacle, after all, managers just have to win games (unless it's through possession football)

ogmor, Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:31 (six years ago) link

tbfttl, City-Newcastle was probably the most abject game i saw in 2017 and Pep's style has always been unbelievably boring to watch against anyone but a handful of elite teams. It's an issue with City, not the culture of the league as a whole, though. Spurs, United, Chelsea, etc have been involved in plenty of interesting / competitive games despite having over 70% of the ball.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:01 (six years ago) link

Otm, it's City not the PL. Which makes stuff like this "The Premier League is walking in the shadow of the uncanny valley." utter nonsense (it's a good one for a new thread title tbf).

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:22 (six years ago) link

I love watching City idg the hate

ogmor, Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:26 (six years ago) link

I love watching them too, and don't find them boring at all.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:27 (six years ago) link

when will pep stop doing it on a wet wednesday night in newcastle?

ogmor, Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:31 (six years ago) link

Perhaps i'm being unduly swayed by the Newcastle game but, having scored early, City seemed barely more interested in playing football than a Newcastle side that were in damage limitation mode from the kick-off. They had 73% possession and a single shot on target in the second half. They can demolish teams when they want to - and were great against Spurs - but they're often perversely negative for a team that has outscored everyone else by twenty.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:51 (six years ago) link

the newcastle game didn't stand out to me for good or ill, mostly lost in the seasonal deluge of games so I might rewatch highlights, but in general I'd say city are as positive a side as I've seen in the league, not a lot of uninspired passing backwards despite their opponents

ogmor, Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link

https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/01/05/us-soccer-election-president-candidates-campaign-funding

With the U.S. Soccer presidential campaign in full swing ahead of the Feb. 10 election in Orlando, SI.com highlighted the issue of campaign funding transparency this week by asking all eight candidates if 1) they have funded the entirety of their campaigns out of their own pocket, and 2) if not, who their top three funders are and 3) whether those funders have any business before U.S. Soccer.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 5 January 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

While the football of this world cup has reached a dazzling pinnacle which promises yet more greatness to come, for its journalism, the opposite is true. Journalists have looked jaded, bereft of the sparkle that once lit up their prose as they wearily navigated their way through the highs and lows of the tournament with their increasingly rusty-looking apparatus. At times it felt like they might suffocate under the weight of their own bloviation, but whether through tenacity or just a lack of other ideas, they held true and saw it through to what feels like an unedifying end.

How did it come to this? It wasn't so long ago that we crouched over our screens in hushed reverence as we let the likes of Ronay bewitch us with those well-measured sentences that pointed towards the ineffability of the greatest moments of football. Somewhere along the way that hunger for pure feeling and the truth of the gut started to eclipse what happened on the pitch. Narratives had to be constructed and fulfilled. Reputations had to be decisively made and destroyed.

In such an intense, tumultuous and claustrophobic world cup perhaps it is understandable that journalists struggled to find time to contemplate the role of fortune in the events that unfolded. Seeing them frantically try to conjure a sense of self-satisfied awe as they struggled against their deadlines was genuinely moving, and one can only feel sympathy for the utter personal devastation each of them will feel once the fanfare dies down and they are left with the realisation that they have overstated the role of feeling and embarrassed themselves in front of millions.

But perhaps even in the centre of this vortex of ouroboric hubris, a kernel of truth remains. Writing shit about football awakens the depths of the soul, inviting both Bacchanalian and Apollonian lenses to better bring in to focus the forces on the pitch. Let these failings stand as a reminder to all that their steadfast responsibility is to reflect the swirling excitement of this glorious game, and to honour it with hyperbole.

ogmor, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link

podcasts man podcasts

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:20 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

just been made aware of this

The cover to my debut novel: COME ON!!! 😎😎😎🚀🚀🚀🤗🤗🤗 pic.twitter.com/WFaQgaKlz0

— jamie jackson (@JamieJackson___) July 5, 2018

Number None, Saturday, 11 August 2018 11:08 (five years ago) link

Oof

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 12 August 2018 04:53 (five years ago) link

i have a long interview with richard williams in my anthology -- not conducted by me -- bcz, for all the flaws arrayed here, he was an important and very often a very good music writer and editor in the 70s, plus when he worked for island records he discovered and signed roxy music (tho jazz is his deep love). reviewing the two sides of engineer's electronic hum was the correct thing to do: it was a john & yoko record, and tbh they erred in not releasing two sides of engineer's electronic hum along with whatever they did release.

mark s, Sunday, 12 August 2018 10:05 (five years ago) link

I daf about motors + f1 and find some of Williams' sports writing easily skip-able + maybe sometimes a bit in the style of a very effortlessly competent local rag correspondent, in the job 4 life days. But I like his music writing just fine, haven't read owt for a bit, but his blog is on hiatus atm.

calzino, Sunday, 12 August 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Williams going on about how we should cut Micheal Owen some slack because of what a tough career he's had and how touching his self-interested and purely ego driven comments about his injury record were recently, is making me realise he is very very bad sometimes, and much worse than I thought.

calzino, Monday, 27 August 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link

just noticed Pete W's post upthread that calsl Glanville and McIlvanney over-rated, I'm 7 years too late for the FPing

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 August 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

Jamie Jackson's verdicts on who Man Utd should sell/keep incl. this

Fred Can the Brazilian boss a game like a Kevin De Bruyne? If not then he is a squad player at best. Verdict Maybe stay.

so any midfielder not as good as KdB should be sold?? Would leave Utd with no midfielders, or LFC for that matter.

Jonathon Wilson meanwhile

Two years ago the German photographer Christian Vieler brought out a book comprising studio shots of dogs as they tried to catch a chewy treat he tossed for them. Look at those pictures and look at Henderson under a high ball. The expression is the same. The same focus, the same desire, the same sheer wonderment to be alive in a universe in which such delights can drop from the sky.

oscar bravo, Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:00 (five years ago) link

I enjoyed this, while not wholeheartedly agreeing with all of it.

Ken Early: Football’s new age neutralises philosophies of the past

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/ken-early-football-s-new-age-neutralises-philosophies-of-the-past-1.3874358?mode=amp

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link

good stuff. thx for that onimo.

oscar bravo, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 13:47 (four years ago) link

Yeah that was good, thanks. Hearty lol at this:

Klopp, plainly, is no Mourinho. Last week he did a “Jürgen Klopp answers the web’s most-searched questions about him” video for Soccer AM. Asked “What is your favourite film?” his answer was immediate and decisive: “Forrest Gump! ” Somewhere out there, José felt his lip curl without knowing why.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:01 (four years ago) link

look

if youse aren't on the second captains podcast by now its on youse

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:00 (four years ago) link

on it now deems

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Thursday, 2 May 2019 11:35 (four years ago) link

It is the best, humour and insight and great interviewing. I listen to them even when it's a sport I have zero interest in.

FernandoHierro, Thursday, 2 May 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link

Ken is just great fun to listen to, yes even his baffling mancrush on David Luiz

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 2 May 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link

especially his irrational enthusiasms or dislikes, his scathing takes on silva are great

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link

i love ken early

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:18 (four years ago) link

Am I missing something or did the podcast stop six months ago? Last one on Spotify was 15th September.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link

Never mind found the website. I forgot people had websites for stuff.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link

keep forgetting that richie, who is brilliant while never in any way appearing ill at ease with his ladness or striving for a pose (contrast with ken who is the very model of a fella looking for the mot juste and the big statement) has his MA in pyschotherapy since he retired

such high quality regulars, such a great blend and so at ease inter alia

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link


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