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so i just feel bbc is getting worse and worse in terms of how it covers football, had a big discussion about this with some friends from "inside" last week and even people whom i thought might be into the current branding (or its target market) really don't like it. the problems as i see them

1. BLOKEISHNESS: Are they really aiming footie coverage at some tiny subset of dense male footie fans? I mean like, having the Kaiser Chiefs or Noel Gallagher on Footie Focus, that awful Robbo Robson blog which thank god they ditched, Colin Murray. Why do the titles for MOTD2 have loads of old matches spliced together in an indie video edit style? Like don't they want anyone young or untypical to watch their coverage? Are they really just admitting "we're BBC Sport, we bask in being old fashioned." The sad thing is if they did that with class rather than having this uneasy almost self mocking relationship with their status as auntie, it might work a lot better. At least that's how BBC does things like golf so brilliantly.

2. Uniformly terrible writers on the website/website looks shit/minute by minutes update incredibly slowly and miss major incidents. That Phil McNulty bloke, perfectly inoffensive, but he is genuinely one of the most tedious, say nothing writers I've ever read in a major publication. Read his piece on Bale last night: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/11/brilliant_bale_has_world_at_hi.html

It feels endless and basically amounts to repeating over and over and over again "Bale played brilliantly," plus it's full of descriptions of things that happened in the match. This is their chief football writer, you want some opinion from him, we don't need a rehash of the entire 90 minutes the morning after the game.

"How far can Spurs go on this adventure? They will surely reach the knockout phase and, while their defence has proved vulnerable, there is no doubt they have rare potency in the shape of Modric, Van der Vaart and, of course, Bale."

Let's ask a question and not answer it, cos you know, I'm just CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER on one of the most popular websites in the UK.

I know they can't be the Guardian or whatever and that has its probs too, but is it really too much to ask for them to inject a bit of life into their coverage? It's just unbelievably cliché ridden, tedious dross. And like, it's not asking for too much here just to want them to get some young and enthusiastic commentators who want to talk about football and express some strident views.

What do you all think? I just despair at how fucking shit and embarrassing it is, and it snowballs in that anyone who's worked around the fringes of news/sport in the beeb gets to know why sport is like that and what the people are like...and nobody decent wants to go and work in football as a consequence.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 10:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

Why do the titles for MOTD2 have loads of old matches spliced together in an indie video edit style? Like don't they want anyone young or untypical to watch their coverage? Are they really just admitting "we're BBC Sport, we bask in being old fashioned."

Nah it's more than that, they're tapping into a perceived sense of widespread disillusionment with the modern game, post-World Cup at least.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 10:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

They don't really know much about Hatem Ben Arfa for a start.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 10:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

Colin Murray is just weird, his blokeyness seems much diminished on MOTD, probably because he looks like a cringeing little dude sucking up to the big footballers.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 10:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

x-post nah I dunno, I think with Colin Murray on board the idea is to a get a bit of that 90s vibe of, football innit, those old style jerseys and big sideburns, top man, bit of subbuteo.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 10:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

garth crooks

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 10:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

'lawro'

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 10:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp a hoy hoy - jinx

Classic: Stuart Hall, Danny Baker, Tom Watt.

Dud: Garth Crooks, Alan Green, Robbie Savage.

Meh: Phil Parry, Gary Linekar.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 10:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

football focus - all of it

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 10:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

they should show the clock on highlights.

caek, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 10:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

the couch on motd is a big irritant. Lawro with his pub shirt slouched sideways, says everything about the attitude in a glance.

Keown and dixon are well overdue as chief pundits. They're excellent, in comparison if nothing else

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

The BBC's coverage and lack-of-depth-of-expertise in Scotland is even more embarrassing, btw, especially on radio. We don't get our main TV highlights package until late o'clock on a Monday night, well after the games have been made available online, so you're really just watching to hear Richard Gordon/Pat Nevin and whichever disinterested manager/pro/ex-pro they can wheel in.

I wonder if MOTD/2 are going for the blokey audience because they figure that's where they are losing TV viewing figures to the internet? My dad, for example, would watch them if they were presented by just about anyone because that's how he gets to see all the games the day they happened, so presumably they don't have to target him with gimmicks, just the actual game footage. Getting other people to watch might be the aim of going for some marketing demographic of blokes-who-watch-football-on-the-internet?

Dunno.

ailsa, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah it's weird...has just drifted ever more in that direction.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

Its all about who has been their lapdog for ever (see- most writers, colin murray etc.) or being 'famous' and 'experienced' enough to supposedly know the game. It's not actually about being talented as a broadcaster or writer. And experience is worth jack when you are Robbie Savage or whoever - you don't exactly have a career of understanding great tactical innovations with renowned coaches.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

Shearer needs to be shot in the face live on television.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

Keown is shit. I've said it before but that accent is transperently just him gunning for the "idiot's footballing thinker' slot.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

Dixon is very good though, can't deny that.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

they should show the clock on highlights.

yeah i've never understood this. i always thought it was some kind of tradition.

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah i mean...savage i can vaguely handle cos he's there for amusement purposes. i've been to focus/motd meetings and it's like, nobody ever criticises the shows apart from v niggly editorial concerns...you've basically got two tiers, v v senior producers who've prob been in sport forever plus all the talent whose words must be heard and obeyed at all times, then lots of guys in their 20s who film and write the pieces, who pretty much all say zero.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

MOTD/2 are going for the blokey audience

Influence of TalkSport and its "record" audiences, surely?

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

I wonder if MOTD/2 are going for the blokey audience because they figure that's where they are losing TV viewing figures to the internet? My dad, for example, would watch them if they were presented by just about anyone because that's how he gets to see all the games the day they happened, so presumably they don't have to target him with gimmicks, just the actual game footage. Getting other people to watch might be the aim of going for some marketing demographic of blokes-who-watch-football-on-the-internet?

None of this really. I think the readly-available footage of goals on the internet is a factor, but it's not a massive one. How gimmicky is MOTD really? It's not that it's gimmicky, it's that the analysis is shit. But I'm not sure people are bothered about that in significant amounts. It's still the main place to go for Premiership goals and I can't see it hitting it's TOTP moment any time soon.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

I wonder if MOTD/2 are going for the blokey audience because they figure that's where they are losing TV viewing figures to the internet?

the thing i don't get about motd2 is that post-chiles it seems to have become more like a shitty internet forum, with 'lol moustaches' and 'lol old' instead of insight and whatnot. and the thing they don't seem to understand is people can get the highlights anywhere, people are going to tune in for insight. when the nani thing happened this weekend, people wanted to know what was said about it - they'd already seen it.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I do prefer managers to ex-players as pundits. I get really sick of "you were a striker yourself Alan, how would you deal with a defender like that?" "i'd have kicked him, ho ho chortle slap me on the back and tell me how funny I am please" oh fuck off.

btw, you think yr man McNulty's bad, have a swatch at Chick Young's column for a few weeks.

ailsa, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

I think the blokeyness is being overstated here anyway. It's football, of course there's going to be blokeyness. It's not like they're wheeling James Corden and Danny Dyer as presenters.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

they should show the clock on highlights.

yeah i've never understood this. i always thought it was some kind of tradition.

apparently it's because on motd they recut the action from multiple cameras with the benefit of hindsight, rather than use the live feed. that means shots are occasionally shown out of order on motd. so if they just took the timecode, the clock would very occasionally jump backward.

caek, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

the thing i don't get about motd2 is that post-chiles it seems to have become more like a shitty internet forum, with 'lol moustaches' and 'lol old' instead of insight and whatnot. and the thing they don't seem to understand is people can get the highlights anywhere, people are going to tune in for insight. when the nani thing happened this weekend, people wanted to know what was said about it - they'd already seen it.

this is EXACTLY otm. and like, now that you can watch motd2 on iplayer for the first time, how many of you just flick to the highlights and ignore the analysis. people can get everything for free at the moment, music, video, whatever, you have to really fight to make them give a toss about your added content, eg the opinion of some "experts". i totally agree motd2 is now sort of just vague "lol".

MOTD used to actually be enjoyable to watch, and it'd have some semblance of a discussion and I'd want to hear what they said about Liverpool or whatever, but it's got quite poor like that. I don't get why they don't try and copy the RTE model, as much as that's flawed too people would fucking love it. Get some people who will actually get annoyed about their beliefs in football.

x-post haha ailsa I read chick young's column just to laugh at how bad it is!

x-post to matt no but they did hire colin murray, and they are going for a more tame tepid version of the same. i'd actually tolerate it more if it was just the unabashed WHO ARE YA of soccer am but they're trying to meld together the fucking kaiser chiefs and a decent football show...or robbie williams and mark lawrenson.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Some xposting there

Maybe not "gimmicky" as such, but certainly blokey and lolz and stuff, more so than blokes in suits discussing things earnestly (the latter being what I reckon people like my old man who doesn't have the internet would want?) - this makes for shit analysis, if I want lolz I'll come here (also for more insightful analysis than I get from MOTD, tbf). As a result, I rarely go out of my way to watch it these days - I tend to watch highlights online then read analysis/blogs from various places (including here), so it's not really a gap I need filled, but when I do watch, it adds precisely nothing to my viewing experience because they add nothing to what I've gleaned.

ailsa, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

the only thing relating to motd/bbc coverage i have heard all season is hanson's challops when theo scored a hatrick. people tuned in for that and to hear them talk about the ability of a young english player. and then the week after when he again played terrifically (maybe that was the week he scored the hatrick) and to see what was to be said. again, it wasn't to see what theo did, it was about the analysis.

Only thing I really pay attention to is Tim Vickery's column but even waivering on that since they plastered his pornstar face all over it.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

he is actually good yeah...tho running out of steam in terms of topics, at the start he was really interesting/informative.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

they should show the clock on highlights

They can't do this because sometimes the editing is dishonest in order to get whatever narrative they're after, and the clock would flag it up too much. Couple of weeks back I put on Liverpool-Blackburn in the afternoon with an hour gone, saw Torres score immediately to make it 2-1, then saw Blackburn control the game but fail to create any decent chances. I posted on here that it seemed like a decent win but they still looked a bit ropey, andgot shouted down.

Saw motd2 a few days later, and what I got was wave after wave of Liverpool attacks, culminating in Torres' winner then cut to a jubilant Anfield. The entire last third of the game was missing. Liverpool looked sensational, and no wonder.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 13:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's also very annoying when there's a goal between them and you don't know if there's 10 minutes or 30 seconds left

caek, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 13:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqAZsoF-ghw

Brian Clough taking exactly the opposite view about analysis here. While I've got a bit of sympathy with where he in particular is coming from, there's a kind of anti-intellect bent to it (of the kind that often makes me feel I'm in love with the wrong sport)

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 13:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

I mentioned it in another thread, but Alan Hansen's "Who gave you that one?" to Lee Dixon after he rolled off a stat about Stoke made my blood boil. Happened during the World Cup, too.

The Goal Of The Month music is shite an' all.

The referee was perfect (Chris), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 13:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

happened the last night too

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 13:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Think this came up elsewhere but maybe there's a problem with having the same old faces for so long. Hansen and Lineker have been there for over 15 years but it doesn't seem like they are any better at the job now than when they started, and maybe feel too safe and unchallenged.

sock lobster (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 14:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

two key words at the end there.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 14:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't like the no clock thing too and have always wondered about it.

The Scottish football highlights are odd in that they don't even bother trying to offer any kind of drama or tension. I guess it makes sense since they aren't shown till long afterwards (which is bad enough itself), but having a highlights show where games are prefaced in the studio with comments like "now let's see how St Johnstone held Aberdeen to a draw" and the highlights themselves having commentary moments like "but Aberdeen didn't keep their lead for long" in the runup to the goal it's talking about doesn't help anything.

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

a clock that just faded on and off at regular intervals would be good

sock lobster (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

Lineker is very, very good btw - you just don't notice so much because he's not particularly likeable. Lets the guests speak, knows his stuff, generally steers things in the right direction and only occasionally lets himself down by getting involved with the crap. It's not his fault the guests are usually terrible - he shows appropriate respect to the good ones.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

lineker deserves a better panel than shearer or lawrenson, and i think it's widely accepted that hansen would quite clearly be fit to up his game were he challenged to actually debate or analyze anything whatsoever. he's settled into the easy contempt of the bright kid in the remedial class for so long now.

john giles would have him for breakfast.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hansen used to be really good and much more angry/critical. I actually think if they gave Lawro a bit of a kick up the hole he's at least got a brain, you can tell he's capable of analysing a game to some level. Shearer is just a tragedy though, the man is just a huge wanker.

Would love to see Shearer with Giles and Dunphy....god that'd be amazing.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

they should try and give o'neill a permanent role for a while...

I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

Shearer is just a tragedy though, the man is just a huge wanker.

for some reason this is my favourite sentence of prose I've read today

acoleuthic, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

In an earlier time I think Ronan might have used the word "brutal"

I agree about Lineker, he's very good at what he does. No idea how much is left on the cutting room floor of course.

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

On Lineker's 'what's wrong with English football' thing when they showed footage of them watching Klose's goal, I was a bit shocked that Shearer was the one ranting and raving while everyone else just looked glum and deathly quiet. I guess I think of him as having so little personality that seeing him caring about something was a surprise.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

just hates foreigners imo

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

and no lawrenson is a brainless gobshite, i don't think there's anything he's got in reserve or anything. his other media work just backs that up

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

Lineker is very, very good btw - you just don't notice so much because he's not particularly likeable. Lets the guests speak, knows his stuff, generally steers things in the right direction and only occasionally lets himself down by getting involved with the crap. It's not his fault the guests are usually terrible - he shows appropriate respect to the good ones.

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lineker deserves a better panel than shearer or lawrenson, and i think it's widely accepted that hansen would quite clearly be fit to up his game were he challenged to actually debate or analyze anything whatsoever. he's settled into the easy contempt of the bright kid in the remedial class for so long now.

both of these posts otm.

another problem to list - saying teams have scored on the live updates when they haven't. jeez is it that hard to only type goal updates and score changes WHEN SOMEONE ACTUALLY SCORES?

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 20:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

the live updates are terrible, if you compare the bbc one to the guardian one you see loads of incidents are missed, not to mention the fact that they sometimes leave huge gaps before updating it...

I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 21:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

they are pretty much illiterate too. i mean i know it's live, but the guardian manages to remain coherent. and they're the guardian.

caek, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 21:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

danny murphy looks like game of thrones crossed with trainspotting

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Monday, 9 May 2016 16:43 (two years ago) Permalink

this dragon's been glessed and no cunt etc

a goon shaped fule (onimo), Monday, 9 May 2016 17:10 (two years ago) Permalink

The League of Bald Headed Men.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Monday, 9 May 2016 17:22 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Jermaine Jenas and Jason Mohammad will be in new presenting roles on 5 live, including Jenas presenting The Friday Football Social alongside Darren Fletcher.

r|t|c, Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:52 (two years ago) Permalink

i was confused first time i heard somebody refer to Darren Fletcher on 5 Live

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:57 (two years ago) Permalink

wish they'd put nult on telly tbh.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:58 (two years ago) Permalink

dark dystopian football punditry

Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 August 2016 15:01 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

dunno what context im missing here but yerman from elbow is not letting anyone finish a sentence its all a bit aggressive

identity politics rooted in tolkienism (darraghmac), Sunday, 27 November 2016 22:51 (two years ago) Permalink

ironic because you think he'd be used to meandering aimlessly on and on

brex yourself before you wrex yourself (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 November 2016 23:32 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Five-year-old Sunderland supporter Bradley Lowery has terminal cancer, but he scored a penalty for his beloved Black Cats in the warm-up against Chelsea on Tuesday night.

There is a growing social media campaign with players, media and fans calling for it to be the official Premier League goal of the month.

imago, Friday, 16 December 2016 11:39 (one year ago) Permalink

HUMBUG

imago, Friday, 16 December 2016 11:39 (one year ago) Permalink

This sort of thing has happened in the SPL at least twice.

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Friday, 16 December 2016 11:45 (one year ago) Permalink

Though those probably were the best two goals scored in Scotland in those months, amirite?

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Friday, 16 December 2016 11:51 (one year ago) Permalink

You've set a frankly terrible precedent there

imago, Friday, 16 December 2016 13:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Five-year-old Sunderland supporter Bradley Lowery has terminal cancer, but he scored a penalty for his beloved Black Cats in the warm-up against Chelsea on Tuesday night.

There is a growing social media campaign with players, media and fans calling for it to be the official Premier League goal of the month.

Goalie should've stopped it imo

An Alan Bennett Joint (Michael B), Saturday, 17 December 2016 00:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Never a penalty if you ask me

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 17 December 2016 01:06 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

What's with this obsession to show footage of people leaving a match early?

Ste, Friday, 6 January 2017 21:31 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Get involved
#bbcfootball or text 81111
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Ben Dunbar: Comment les aimez-vous les pommes?

imago, Sunday, 30 July 2017 20:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I cannot footcelsior what I wish to and I cannot say why

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 30 July 2017 21:06 (one year ago) Permalink

a) Michael B

b) the kid is dead

p funny tho

imago, Sunday, 30 July 2017 21:23 (one year ago) Permalink

maybe the follow-up is funnier still actually

imago, Sunday, 30 July 2017 21:24 (one year ago) Permalink

Nothing inherently funny in the death of a child tbf lj

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 30 July 2017 21:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Although it's mildly amusing that I had to type that

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 30 July 2017 21:29 (one year ago) Permalink

footselfior

imago, Sunday, 30 July 2017 21:46 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

we allowing this 1992 liveblog

imago, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:31 (one year ago) Permalink

gonna say it's more tragic than fun.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:43 (one year ago) Permalink

anything which includes a coventry premier league fantasy is a+ imo

nxd, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:08 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41684602

all the highest-rated comments to this are rightly calling it out for the clickbait shite it is

imago, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 15:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Heh, same with this one, also from today: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41828734

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Are you analysing a football piece using the comments like count

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 15:57 (one year ago) Permalink

come now

imago, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 15:59 (one year ago) Permalink

What like on a three count or just whenever I'm ready or what

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:01 (one year ago) Permalink

does it not strike you of all people as tedious that any spurs player who emerges above a certain media-dictated parapet of excellence is destined for a 'bigger club' (population: real madrid)

imago, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:08 (one year ago) Permalink

or are you actually quite cheered with the bernabeu feeder club motif

imago, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:09 (one year ago) Permalink

I like to think that we're above reacting to this stuff as if it required our attn tbh

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:14 (one year ago) Permalink

the wiser discourse

imago, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:15 (one year ago) Permalink

I think the media gets in a tizzy at the idea of an English player being good enough to play for a major team outside England.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:25 (one year ago) Permalink

It's understandable but curiously honestly humble

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:27 (one year ago) Permalink

Think Tom's otm. An English player succeeding - or even just going - abroad always seems to create huge waves with yr press. Probably because so few succeeded.

But it's still clickbait that deserves to be called out imo.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Count yerselves lucky you don't have to watch on rte. For twenty years George Hamilton has been a second ahead of the picture and it has spoiled every moment of football ever and is currently doing so for spurs madrid

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 19:53 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

rip armfield, have fond memories of the man

#TeamHailing (imago), Monday, 22 January 2018 11:01 (ten months ago) Permalink

Ah, shame, good guy. RIP Jimmy.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Monday, 22 January 2018 11:51 (ten months ago) Permalink

LIVE FA Cup - De Bruyne with cheeky free-kick v Cardiff

FFS! If only he had attempted a deferential free-kick, cos I hate that word.

calzino, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

six months pass...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-45194443

literally end the bbc here

imago, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 17:52 (three months ago) Permalink

privatised, shut down, fucked off. over.

imago, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 17:53 (three months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

AHAHAHA LOOK IT'S NOLE GALLAGER I WROTE A "JOEK" ABOUT DEFINITELY MAYBE THAT WAS WORTH EDITING IN

cunts

Mama Weer All Tankee Now (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 25 November 2018 09:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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