usmnt

congratulations to jones, lichaj, and brek shea on their callups

Oct. 9, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Poland 7 p.m. CT Soldier Field
Chicago, Ill. Fox Soccer Channel & Galavision
Oct. 12, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Colombia 8 p.m. ET PPL Park
Chester, Pa. ESPN2 & Galavision

Goin' to the Poland game w/ about 50 or so S8 folx including a bunch of Polish fans, should be fun.

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=1310662.html?cid=rssfeed&att=

Germany coach Joachim Low is concerned that next week's UEFA EURO 2012 qualifier against Turkey in Berlin could be an away game for his side given the amount of Turks living in the German capital.

hi dere welcome to our world

That should be a terrific match - those are two fabulous attacking sides.

lol thought u were talking abt us and poland for a sec and was like Whut

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a 4-2-3-1 is intriguing, tho I don't know if they can play like that yet

would be good to try and get more midfielders out there, our 1 strong suit

Ives had a 4-3-2-1 xmas tree posted with Jones, Bradley, and Edu as the 3... just call that one "the bone-cruncher"

btw Bradley on the late run to goal is one of my favorite sights to see w/ these guys

hi dere welcome to our world

yeah

also cosign on the potential of that game

just learned Lichaj's from Chicago and his parents are Polish immigrants

wish he would grow his hair back out
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report on Charlie Davies' comeback and some o_O scar pics

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5655430/soccer-us-forward-charlie-davies-talks-recovery-espn-magazine

lineup
4-5-1 w/ edu at centerback huh

Howard;
Cherundolo, Onyewu, Edu, Bocanegra;
Jones, Bradley, Holden, Dempsey, Feilhaber;
Altidore.

i'll be curious to see how high dempsey plays. and gooch is really ready for this, is he? wanna see lichaj at some point

Does anyone else think the US goal was offside? I'm heavily medicated with Nyquil and my eyes are burning but F thought it was.

from that camera angle it sure seemed so.

gooch is driving me crazy, booting it out of the back

bedoya for feilhaber, is that all we've got as far as possible forward-looking changes?

^wrote at halftime but could have said it later tbh

huh. jones looked good, physical, except for his fuckup. same with holden, great except for his fuckup. so many chances, both jozy's and the set pieces. thank god for tim howard

fun times, good seats, lots and lots of poles

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they looked like a team with a bunch of guys who don't quite know how to play together yet, and I still am not sure if 4-5-1 is something they can pull off. jones/holden were fun to watch tho.

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What do you guys do with those things?

nod sagely

i'm still trying to learn how to watch the game. i want to understand a midfielder's most common passing locations. i want to see passing lanes before they develop. this was jones' first game with us. does the visual representation match what i saw on tv? what doesn't the chart tell me (in this case, about his physicality) ? if i look at enough of these what patterns will i see? i have so much trouble comparing two players against two different teams, could this help?

where, how, and who did he link up with? (have to reach to remember the who) what was his average pass length?

i'm american, i love stats and charts, this chart may not tell me much but can we be so sure that the tenth or hundreth chart won't reveal something? we never know where tactical breakthroughs are going to come, who will see the game differently. i will stick to national type and hope it's us lol

^ could totally get behind this level of analysis for spurs, tbh. the analysis of what players do that works during a game. i bet mourinho is up to his neck in this shit.

I assume you meant Allardyce

easy mistake to make, that

I'm not knocking the concept either btw - if there's going to be some revolutionary development in the game (there only appears to ever have been two so far as I can tell) then I'm pretty persuaded that it'll come from some kind of synthesis of this and set-plays. I'm sure not going to be able to spot it though.

i think it's fair to speculate that improvement on a systemic level can come from the analysis of repeated actions

/banaka

what were those two revolutionary developments ismael ?

442, sam allardyce

I've written about them before, but basically:

(i) the Scottish passing game taking over from kick-and-rush around the 1880s; and
(ii) the whole pressing/offside trap/possession system of Ajax in the 1960s.

We're basically still exploring the world invented by (ii). There's a terrific book (Inverting the Pyramid by Jonathan Wilson) looking at the development of tactics through the ages, not sure if it'll've reached your shores Jibe. There are lots of interesting innovations discussed in it, but those two seem to be the big ones. The others usually mostly happen every few years when one guy stands in a slightly different position, and everyone else gets confused

And that's my 10,000th post. It's been a pleasure, I'd like to thank my agent, etc.

congrats, it was worthy imo

ok thx. that book looks quite interesting, will try and get ahold of it as soon as my finances allow me to.

football finances thread

It's a great read, enlightened me to many things + helped me relate my hockey tactical knowledge to similarities on the pitch.

apparently Spector is starting tonight, should be a lot of other changes too

also lol @ < 10k tickets sold for this match, wtf

apparently Spector is starting tonight

GAAHHHHHHHH

we are mediocre huh. lucky for us colombia is so far too

i love edu's composure on the ball. he doesn't make me start drumming my fingers nervously in possession.
it seems like holden out wide takes away a lot of what's best about him: getting involved, cutting into passing lanes. you'd think the idea would be he'd send in crosses from out wide, but i don't think he's had a cross yet.

EJ for jozy? lichaj for spector (hey, he was only burned twice! not bad). any other changes?

lichaj looked good
ummm, other positives?

(we need to put it down on record that our first shot on goal was in the 55th minute)

I was at the Fire/KC game so I missed this. Doesn't sound like much of note. From the descriptions I've read/heard it sounded like a 4-3-3? Last time I saw that Costa Rica kicked their ass.

yeah i guess it was a 4-3-3, in the first half. jozy was so marooned and alone i'm tempted to call it 4-3-2-1. but i'm bad with formations. brek shea looked okay, not totally outclassed at this level with his first cap, so that's something. EJ came in at HT and edu went out (i think, i missed some) so the formation changed but i'm not sure how. the second half was better, dempsey with some spark, but yeah, you didn't miss much.

the pronunciation of Lichaj's name sounds exactly the same a "lihai" （厉害） which is a common slang word in Chinese that means "awesome."

same for (Luis) Figo in Italian (actually 'fico', but close enough) - any other examples?

This is fucking parody

wanted a "fuck you" goal so bad

Can’t believe I wasn’t even gonna watch this

there were too many good and/or entertaining matches on tonight lol

man. hell yeah.

That extra time might have been the highest level Concacafing since Jack Warner scalped Trinidad and Tobago's tickets to the 2006 world cup

Horvath definitely isn't playing like a backup anymore

― frogbs, Sunday, June 6, 2021 10:53 PM (forty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't keep as close tabs on this shit as I used to, but iirc he has been much more consistent starter for his club team than Steffen has been for Man City, albeit Horvath plays in a much smaller league

Rewatching that missed penalty kick, was that encroachment from a player on the right? If he made it might it have been overturned? Mexico did so much dirty shit that game

you will NEVER see that called in a CONCACAF match, lol

hey I thought the same about that handball but I guess I don't watch enough soccer

Penalty decisions are always ludicrous in CONCACAF, such as the one in the Panama-Mexico 2015 Gold Cup Semifinal which almost lead the Panama team to rage quit (rightfully so)

somehow don't expect this to equal the Nations League match. esp given they're more B-squads.

maybe there will be lols? idk

Always good loltential vs Mexico imo

I tend to think the Mexican Copa Oro squad is better than their Olympic team. I recognize a lot more names at least.

selfishly want Dike not to get subbed in today so he can play on Wednesday for Orlando City.

lol Tesho Akindele played in the Canada match last Thursday and then they put him in the 18 the very next night and he came off the bench against Atlanta.

booooooooooooooring

guy named areola aiming for the area surrounding the goal

now the Almost Goal Cup

definitely not boring, but both sides are bottlers

Zardes finding three different colossal ways to whiff in the lst ten minutes has me howling

Arriola is so frustrating

Why did someone bring their infant child to this match

Zardes and Arriola
Won't score no goal-a

they said Dike wasn't cutting it and needed new blood. fuck that - Dike woulda buried at least two of those. he doesn't lose control of the ball if you breathe on him, his hold up play is good, and his shot placement is on point.

when Zardes scores, it's cos the ball ricocheted off of his ass.

also someone pls strangle Stu Holden with his mic cord

Busio with the Carlos Rivas launch

XP Lalas first, esp since we're getting extra time so he'll get a chance to talk again

hmm i gotta think of a more sinister end for him

Hoppe sucks

they literally talked about the PK match against Mexico from two months ago earlier in the match, then moments ago one of the announcers mentions there's only ever been one PK shootout between Mexico and the US, and references some 1996 Copa America match.

these fucking guys.

wow. too bad it had to be an ATL United player, but nice, Miles!

Doubt he'll play for Atlanta too much longer

was a nice visual, all the bench players swarming Robinson after the goal there

so happy the states won without going into shootouts

yeah i wasn't even gonna watch if it went to PKs.

I just want to say that I'm fine watching games in Spanish, but I'm in a broadcast TV dead zone and can't pick up Telemundo. And all the same, there is a World Cup™ qualifier on and FS1 is showing fucking Rudy.

I take it back, FS1 has a good strategy.

I take it back again, what a second half

The @nytimes reporting that a board member of the American Outlaws agreed to a free World Cup trip in exchange in part for reporting fans who make social media posts critical of Qatar. https://t.co/JUhAeYE7RP

— Justin Egan (@EganSoccerWords) November 3, 2022

I continue to be very self-satisfied about my "FUCK AO" stance

I never knew a lot about them, found that their fans sometimes operated on the fringe of acceptability at matches I went to where they were there, but THIS = "fuck no, fire board member immediately and suspend AO for a year".

Perhaps not surprisingly there's a vein of very jingoistic tendencies in AO alongside a much broader history of bigotry against Mexicans especially

U.S. MEN’S NATIONAL TEAM - 2022 FIFA WORLD CUP ROSTER BY POSITION (CLUB/COUNTRY; CAPS/GOALS; HOMETOWN)

GOALKEEPERS (3)****: Ethan Horvath (Luton Town/ENG; 8/0; Highlands Ranch, Colo.), Sean Johnson (New York City FC; 10/0; Lilburn, Ga.), Matt Turner (Arsenal/ENG; 20/0; Park Ridge, N.J.)

DEFENDERS (9)****: Cameron Carter-Vickers (Celtic/SCO; 11/0; Southend-on-Sea, England), Sergiño Dest (AC Milan/ITA; 19/2; Almere, Netherlands), Aaron Long (New York Red Bulls; 29/3; Oak Hills, Calif.), Shaq Moore (Nashville SC; 15/1; Powder Springs, Ga.), Tim Ream (Fulham/ENG; 46/1; St. Louis, Mo.), Antonee Robinson (Fulham/ENG; 29/2; Liverpool, England), Joe Scally (Borussia Mönchengladbach/GER; 3/0; Lake Grove, N.Y.), DeAndre Yedlin (Inter Miami CF; 75/0; Seattle, Wash.), Walker Zimmerman (Nashville SC; 33/3; Lawrenceville, Ga.)

MIDFIELDERS (7)****: Brenden Aaronson (Leeds United/ENG; 24/6; Medford, N.J.), Kellyn Acosta (LAFC; 53/2; Plano, Texas), Tyler Adams (Leeds United/ENG; 32/1; Wappingers Falls, N.Y.), Luca de la Torre (Celta Vigo/ESP; 12/0; San Diego, Calif.), Weston McKennie (Juventus/ITA; 37/9; Little Elm, Texas), Yunus Musah (Valencia/ESP; 19/0; London, England), Cristian Roldan (Seattle Sounders FC; 32/0; Pico Rivera, Calif.)

FORWARDS (7)****: Jesús Ferreira (FC Dallas; 15/7; McKinney, Texas), Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders; 49/11; Mercer Island, Wash.), Christian Pulisic (Chelsea/ENG; 52/21; Hershey, Pa.), Gio Reyna (Borussia Dortmund/GER; 14/4; Bedford, N.Y.), Josh Sargent (Norwich City/ENG; 20/5; O’Fallon, Mo.), Tim Weah (Lille/FRA; 25/3; Rosedale, N.Y.), Haji Wright (Antalyaspor/TUR; 3/1; Los Angeles, Calif.)

Terminally online fans already melting down over this lineup

#USMNT rotation? Nope. Just one change in XI -- Turner; Dest, Ream, Zimmerman, Robinson; Adams, Musah, McKennie; Weah, Wright (for Sargent), Pulisic.

— Paul Kennedy (@pkedit) November 25, 2022

Reyna shoulda started

After every big win Berhalter rushes back to hotel room to check internet hoping we like him now. Sorry man, not gonna to happen. Win as much as you want. Frankly it only makes us madder

— watke (@watke_) November 30, 2022

I loled

And now?

Think this was about their level.

Very interested in who the next coach is. I was never a complete hater but even if you go with an American there are better options than Berhalter.

Also anticipating who steps up: Paxton Aaronson, Pepi, Tillman, Slonina, Busio, and more including names we don't know yet.

Goalkeeping seems sorted after some absurd (for the US) uncertainty. Between Turner, Horvath, and Steffen things are pretty solid there.

Also there's the what if factor. Several players who likely would have been on the roster were injured. Chris Richards in particular could have been starting at CB, where they weren't really hurting until the final game where Netherlands let them have the ball and then picked off passes for counterattacks.

Overall, Adams, Musah, McKennie could probably be the midfield for another 8 years. Pulisic and Weah are solid on the wings for another cycle, Reyna who knows (but hopeful), and Dest/Jedi are also very good.

Finishing? Who knows. Ferreira and Wright both were top 3-ish in their respective leagues and had only a fluke goal between them to show for it in Qatar. Sargent has been doing well for Norwich but didn't show much either.

I have gotten more into this stuff bc I have a close friend who works with the team in a non technical role. Between the Klinsmann, Arena II, Sarachan, and now Berhalter eras it's a lot to take in. I think they're as good now as ever, with some growth, experience at clubs, and development of other spots on the field, who knows what could happen in 26 on concacaf turf?

Gotta be killers in comparison to today, though.

Oh and Brendan Aaronson too, midfield is apparently the new strongest spot instead of GK

The dearth of “in their prime” players due to the lost generation that didn’t qualify in 2018 was a glaring issue. Jordan Morris, veteran presence? Lol