TOTTENHAM ARE STILL A BIG CLUB!

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Lock thread forever if they lose in the CL qualification against HB Tórshavn or whoever.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

them losing in qualification to the random european team schteeeve takes over is gonna be joeks.

i know tax evasion and robot dance and eurgh but of all the spurs teams I can remember, this is def. the one i'm ok w/ being (moderately) successful.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

For decades the debate has raged about who, Spurs or Man City, are the biggest bottlers. Now we know.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh I think that debate has only just started tbh.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

i thought Arsenal ended that debate a while back

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 22:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Arsenal are still a big club.

scrappy dyaoo (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 22:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

There are two teams in North London.

scrappy dyaoo (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 22:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

Other big clubs who finish 4th in England: Everton, Newcastle, Leeds.

mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Thursday, 6 May 2010 08:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

Bottlers, Matt? Wasn't it just that we were beaten by the better side last night? I don't think the players choked at all - they gave it a right go, but weren't good enough.

Well done, Spurs.

Daniel Giraffe, Thursday, 6 May 2010 08:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

^ the kind of thing that means I don't hate City, yet

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 6 May 2010 08:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

Bottlers is one of the most overused bits of jargon in football imo but yeah I think Spurs had fourth place for a decent enough chunk of 09-10 for it not to be the issue at hand here

Charged TBH (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 6 May 2010 08:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Bottlers" seems tied in to that weird desire to make out like footballers are morally deficient for not being good enough to win matches sometimes.

I guess so many of Spurs' standouts this season being old hands is belated redemption for the weakness of their digestive tracts during Lasagnegate.

MPx4A, Thursday, 6 May 2010 08:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

Don't think the City players choked, but Mancini's tactics were pretty reserved in the second half.

But tbh either team were good value for CL spot this year ahead of Liverpool and boring boring Villa

scrappy dyaoo (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 09:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Bottlers" seems tied in to that weird desire to make out like footballers are morally deficient for not being good enough to win matches sometimes.

Yes, and some people accuse footballers of "lacking passion" when they're not up to scratch in a given game (or in general).

Daniel Giraffe, Thursday, 6 May 2010 10:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Some teams do lack passion. Newcastle last year were, player for player, easily good enough to stay up, they just didn't care enough.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 May 2010 10:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

Adebayor, for both Man City last night (maybe in other games? I dunno) and whenever I saw him last season for Arsenal.

scrappy dyaoo (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 10:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

They looked short of ideas in midfield as well without Ireland. You're not going to get much in the way of incisive passing with De Jong and Barry in there, especially compared to Modric/Huddlestone. There were times when Kolo Toure seemed like their best attacking midfielder.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 May 2010 10:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

The persistent talk of them selling Ireland just confuses ever more after a performance like that, it's true.

Get fourth and multiply (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Adebayor, for both Man City last night (maybe in other games? I dunno) and whenever I saw him last season for Arsenal.

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Dunno... the guy did get shot at for playing football. He looked like he was kinda getting back to form before that. 'bottlers' to me are more about the Berbatovs and lol Bordeaux this season, when there is really no excuse why supremely talented top of the table types (lol hungover alliteration) just chuck it in for no reason.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

and yeah newcastle a prime example.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Other big clubs who finish 4th in England: Everton, Newcastle, Leeds.

... Arsenal, this year

Football's Flocking Home (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well lets hope Spurs follow our achievements in being 1 of 3 teams to qualify for the CL every season for a decade.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Adebayor hadn't been shot at while playing out his last 6 months in an Arsenal team that badly needed a leader from the front last season.

Maye those guys were actually gunners, ifyagetme.

Berbatov- another example of Ferguson's tactical shortcomings. Players either work or they don't, and if they don't then it's their fault.

Get fourth and multiply (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

wait, that picture holds like a million questions...

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

berbatov was supremely talented when Spurs were last as well tbrr

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

If Spurs had drawn with Man City and then lost to Burnley, that would have counted as bottling.

Matt DC, Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

yep.

if jol had dropped robinson at any stage over 2 years, it wouldn't have been counted as bottling.

not rocket science- when you don't bottle you're not bottling.

beating city, arsenal and chelsea in the last 5 games to seal it is basically anti-jol/bottle stuff.

Get fourth and multiply (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

sam- yeah berbatov was supremely talented when spurs were bottom! don't understand where yer goin with that tbh.

Get fourth and multiply (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

fergie likes his players to huff and puff, berba was never going to fit in. the only successful stroller of the fergie years was Cantona.

tomofthenest, Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

i dunno tbh. not really up to thinking today.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 12:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

anyone done a list yet of who else might be in the qualifying pot? i vote martin lol reunion with ajax.

r|t|c, Thursday, 6 May 2010 12:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

vs martin jol in a one-off, vital match?

bring it on. we'll loan them jenas.

Get fourth and multiply (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 May 2010 13:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

even luis fabiano is beginning to believe

Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Friday, 16 July 2010 12:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

Usually that's the sort of thing players say when they're trying to attract Arsenal's interest but hey, we're a Champions League club now.

Matt DC, Friday, 16 July 2010 13:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

well, in fairness it's only two weeks since we got not much more that a disdainful sniff from him, but we've gone and got our hair done in a metaphorical sense.

Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Friday, 16 July 2010 13:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

Other way round isn't it?

Matt DC, Friday, 16 July 2010 13:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

eh i dunno i'm not really a grease fanatic tbh. but i don't think so. or did they both oh i don't know

Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Friday, 16 July 2010 13:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

Both sing the chorus but it's Danny doing all the chasing.

http://www.mattscdsingles.com/acatalog/gibson%20craig%20one%20that%20i.jpg

The Craig McLachlan & Debbie Gibson version is probably more apt for a not big club.
(also note url mattscdsingles.com almost has a Spurs fan in it)

embrace the flopping? no thanks (onimo), Friday, 16 July 2010 13:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

is it too much to ask that the sponsor's blue matches the rest of the kit?

mizzell, Friday, 16 July 2010 14:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Is it just his shorts that come with the knee bandage or do they all get them?

embrace the flopping? no thanks (onimo), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh dear

Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

not feeling it :/

Just what is she studying? ABSLOLUTE STUPIDITY? (DJ Mencap), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

could grow on me, it's kinda german club team in style.

Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

No you don't understand, Ledley's injury has got so bad he's got a job in a leisure centre.

Matt DC, Friday, 16 July 2010 14:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

Or maybe as a holiday rep.

Matt DC, Friday, 16 July 2010 14:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

shorts mightn't be helping but is top half don't fit on his bottom alf proper

Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Friday, 16 July 2010 14:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Foyth won't be breaking into the team them

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 20:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Vintage stuff this

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 20:31 (one year ago) Permalink

It's easy to say it

But sissoko has been comically bad tonight apart from popping in his finish.

His retention rate cannot be fifty percent and he's not even created anything for all of his risky flicks and touches

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 20:35 (one year ago) Permalink

lol wtf is going on there?

plp will eat itself (NickB), Wednesday, 25 October 2017 20:47 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Didn't want to clog up the premium thread

Think that spurs are in a very interesting place rn

The current position (not the most recent very poor form, but the stuttering bumps with only a handful of decent team performances and a reliance on solidity with one or two moments of quality to get the results) is more honest imo as a reflection of the longer-term project and where we are with it.

the realisation that this team is in a fight for cl qualification would be a very healthy one for our younger players and I think lloris meant this when he said it very bluntly recently.

The bigger clubs with better squads were always going to come back, two seasons in a row of the majority of them stinking the place out was a happy fluke for poch in establishing himself firmly- hopefully that happy success gives him the base required to slug this next period of adjustment out because afaict he is now in a position where quite a few of the players on whom he has relied and who have thought themselves title challenging players are now pretty squarely in the way of the development of the club and it will be a massive challenge to coordinate their efforts now that they are in demand, have international recognition etc etc

There's a few Lee sharpes waiting to be fucked out imo, hopefully poch gets rein to do what he reckons is necessary

Would rather we started again with youth players and poch than keep watching Alli and Dier in particular play like they did tonight for much longer.

Can't help but think that Rose has contributed heavily to the whole thing, even if his on-pitch commitment can't be questioned. Even leaving his summer fuckaboutery aside, the constant dripping of shittalk to the press since he presented back fit for duty four or five games ago is a stark contrast to how this team was running when it was performing.

moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 00:05 (one year ago) Permalink

Also.....I enjoyed his book but he somewhat puts a few first team players in their place in it....and we've been shit (in the league) since it's release

moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 09:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Obviously we've been killing it in the Champions League and we're within touching distance of everyone that isn't City so this is hardly a crisis just yet, but these things neede addressing.

- Lack of a defensive midfielder when Wanyama and Alderweireld are both injured. We don't need to be playing five at the back against Leicester or West Brom if it means no real defensive presence in midfield. We need to be moving Dier back into midfield, where he's actually good. Our attacking players were much better last year when they were playing in front of a defensive base in which everyone clearly had full confidence. Vertonghen and Sanchez have both looked merkedly less assured since Toby's injury as well.

- Overreliance on fullbacks for width. Chelsea, United and City all play with two wide forwards either side of the CF, Kane is usually flanked by Alli and Eriksen who are really twin number 10s, so we look very narrow in attack. This doesn't always work against teams who defend deep and loses a little something on the break against teams that don't. We looked a lot more threatening with Son and Lamela on the pitch, which won't work against everyone and necessitates moving Alli into a deeper role, but he can do that.

- Dodgy team selections. The system and the balance of the team worked perfectly last year but moving Sissoko and Aurier in and out of the team for no real reason has unbalanced things. Aurier will get there but Sissoko should be nowhere near the team.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 10:26 (one year ago) Permalink

merkedly otm

moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 10:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Other thing

Nobody ever in the box. Ever!

Like a team afraid to do anything but show for the ball on the halfway line and play it quickly back to where they found it

Poch unassailable obv but I think the absolute adherence to some aspects of the doctrine at all times gives players a place to hide

moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 10:33 (one year ago) Permalink

the movement in the final third is very uncoordinated; without many attempts to make runs or move defenders, players slow down as they approach the box and see nothing on. aurier in particular kept passing backwards when he received the ball in good positions. rather than work opportunities players optimistically punted the ball in to a densely packed box and it was easy to defend. at times it feels like the team is blunt and can only grind opponents down and exploit mistakes, especially when the team selection skews so much towards the powerful dribblers; aurier, rose, dembele and sissoko felt excessive especially when not playing on the counter. lamela's quick, short one-touch passing was a very welcome relief, and with winks and even trippier back in the side I think they'll move the ball around quicker. I confess I really enjoyed the end of the match even though it was frustrating, it was just fun to see such an attacking team out there. also sanchez remains fantastic.

ogmor, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 11:03 (one year ago) Permalink

lads

Blandford Forum, Monday, 4 December 2017 19:38 (one year ago) Permalink

God now what

moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Monday, 4 December 2017 20:41 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Goran Bunjevcevic fuck. I was only thinking about him while watching Serbia yesterday.

It's extremely fucked up that two members of our early 00s squad are dead already.

Matt DC, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:52 (five months ago) Permalink

what

under a mand'rin tsar (darraghmac), Thursday, 28 June 2018 22:45 (five months ago) Permalink

He had a stroke a few days ago apparently.

Matt DC, Thursday, 28 June 2018 23:00 (five months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

lamela signing a long term deal is it a good thing i feel we can discuss here

also lack of transfers either in or out is it enough to keep what we have and trust that the mgmt team improves them incrementally, that injuries dont hurt us as much this season, that the rest of the top teams have enough underperformances in them, etc

or would sixth, out of cl in groups and a uefa run be a result

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 23 July 2018 08:58 (four months ago) Permalink

liverpool are looking stronger, city & united similar, arsenal and chelsea are unknowns. fourth would be lovely.

ogmor, Monday, 23 July 2018 09:28 (four months ago) Permalink

utd due jose collapse

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 23 July 2018 09:43 (four months ago) Permalink

Or the opposite.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Monday, 23 July 2018 09:44 (four months ago) Permalink

But, yes, can't see them carrying on like last season.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Monday, 23 July 2018 09:44 (four months ago) Permalink

Seem to be conflicting reports on Grealish since Villa's new investment.

Some saying deal is done barring medical this week and others that he wants to stay and Villa no longer need to sell him.

groovypanda, Monday, 23 July 2018 11:16 (four months ago) Permalink

Pretty confident we'll make at least a couple of signings before the start of the season, even if the stadium is clearly looming over everything.

It would be enough just not to sell players TBH, but a dynamic central midfielder and another CF have to be the priorities.

Matt DC, Monday, 23 July 2018 11:40 (four months ago) Permalink

seven up for sale

janssen llorente alderweireld rose nkoudou dembele edwards

three if fit and contracted walk into first team, two didnt solve a problem we still have, two never solved a problem that im not sure we still have

highly doubtful that more than say four of the above leave, and three of em in that scenario would be janssen, nkoudou, edwards.

injuries being kinder this year that leaves the squad no worse off tbh

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 23 July 2018 13:26 (four months ago) Permalink

quite enjoying how pochesque this team of subs and youngsters are looking tbh

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 01:23 (four months ago) Permalink

oooh woof nkoudou

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 01:39 (four months ago) Permalink

Currently top of the ICC league for what it's worth

groovypanda, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 07:57 (four months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Spurs - Barca in the CL!

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 30 August 2018 16:49 (three months ago) Permalink

PSV and Inter too. Should be fun.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:06 (three months ago) Permalink

That's a pretty tough fourth seed team looking at the other groups

groovypanda, Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:09 (three months ago) Permalink

Lmao we are SO fucked

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:09 (three months ago) Permalink

So great that for the first time we take on youse Spurs. #ilxmassive

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:09 (three months ago) Permalink

Barcelona was always my dream fixture, maximally psyched

ogmor, Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:23 (three months ago) Permalink

woof

lee guacamole (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:38 (three months ago) Permalink

are there dates for these matches yet

lee guacamole (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:39 (three months ago) Permalink

not yet but might you be around these parts, ohhh psv-spurs would be a hoot to go to, will keep an eye out

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:49 (three months ago) Permalink

thats the thought alright

lee guacamole (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 August 2018 18:00 (three months ago) Permalink

Wait, what?

There is a change this season - with games not being played at 19:45 BST anymore.

Most games will kick off at 20:00 BST, but two group matches every day will start at 17:55 BST - so get ready to leave work quickly on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

groovypanda, Thursday, 30 August 2018 18:25 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah thats late for leaving work

lee guacamole (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 August 2018 18:44 (three months ago) Permalink

Dyche out.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 August 2018 20:47 (three months ago) Permalink

... wrong thread.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Friday, 31 August 2018 00:25 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/aaron-lennons-greatest-superfan-meet-20-year-old-turk-who-cant-get-enough-burnleys-no25

something to warm your cold, cold hearts

ogmor, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 10:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

As someone who got into football (and Tottenham) right around the time of Jol/Lennon/Robinson, I guess 2006-2007ish?, this hit me right in the heart, thank u for this. also gave me an idea for a new dn

teen heartthrob Pacey Winger (Will M.), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 15:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This is probably the best best place to talk about Sissoko. Is it really just a matter of switching him into central midfield? Perhaps he should have been there all along, Lord knows he's barely competent on the right but that's where he seems to have played on every occasion prior to this season.

Matt DC, Thursday, 29 November 2018 09:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

well...his form was awful in an individual control/pass/position way regardless until even three or four games ago

but a run of games and maybe knowing he had a run coming due to fixtures and injuries definitely seems to have solidified that aspect

tactically then, playing with aurier on his right and behind him definitely suits, theyre both better for the way they naturally move and cover each other.

but the move to central formally (hes always been a central midfielder, this craic of callin him a rw because he gets up a bit of speed never looked right) and carving out a destroyer/carrier role in a tweaked tactic has definitely given him the platform for the last two performances. worth remembering that he destroyed us in that role on more than one occasion as a newcastle player, so im not sure im ready to call it a flash of genius to find that in him all of a sudden

i think not being the last line of defence in front of the centre halves nor being tasked with quickly recycling the ball with a bit of craft four times a minute definitely avoids two of his big weaknesses

hey presto we now have a way of taking the ball seventy yards and pulling an entrenched opponent asunder without dembele

got to credit his mentality too, even if im slightly dubious about his technical limitations not putting a ceiling on his reliability

old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Thursday, 29 November 2018 09:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

aurier and sissoko's synergy was woven in toulouse ofc

ogmor, Thursday, 29 November 2018 10:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah he may have always been a central midfielder but he never seemed to start there, he usually would start in one of the wide positions. These tend to be fluid revolving attacking positions when Eriksen/Dele/Lamela* start there but Sissoko had neither the tactical quick thinking or the passing ability, he'd tend to run at the fullback and then not be able to cross particularly well at the end of it. It wasn't just that he was being played too wide, he was also too far up the pitch.

Whereas he's fantastic pressing and harrying players and rampaging through the middle. The Dembele role is absolutely the best one for him in our team (and it's an essential one for us I think).

*I'm excluding Son and Lucas from this as their roles tend to be more direct.

Matt DC, Thursday, 29 November 2018 10:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Admittedly two of his recent notable contributions have come from a decisive pass from an advanced position on the right, but he's clearly bringing more than that to the team now.

Matt DC, Thursday, 29 November 2018 11:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He was France’s best player by a mile in the Euro 2016 final at CM, more or less, and talked up by the Telegraph at the time as ‘a successor to Yaya Toure as the Premier League’s most complete central midfielder’ but I guess Dembele and Wanyama’s excellent season after he joined meant he was shunted out right.

ShariVari, Thursday, 29 November 2018 11:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He's always been able to summon the occasional monster performance. First couple of months at Newcastle people were talking about him as the signing of the season. I'm sceptical that he's going to start delivering it on a consistent basis at this point in his career though

Number None, Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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