someone shd have a tête-à-tiny tet' w/ him
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
lol 'represented them at junior level' hasn't stopped this working for plenty other players?
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the only thing preventing this is the gentleman's agreement between the home nations not to exploit the residency rule for non-UK nationals. Under the current FIFA/UEFA rules Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland are all entitled to select Arteta but have agreed not to. I can't quite work out the reason for this but I think we should stop being gentlemen and give Arteta a CU Jimmy bunnet asap.
This comes frequently in Scotland because we're mostly shit and players like Nacho Novo and Lorenzo Amoruso would make Scotland a better team - meaning it gets press up here quite often. I think this is the first time a foreigner without granny credentials has been good enough for England selection since this ruling came in (apart from with John Barnes when they just broke the rules, that is).
― pissky in the jar (onimo), Thursday, 2 September 2010 10:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Well I for one couldn't stomach the thought of anyone but the purest Hibernian representing my country tbh. The notion is quite distasteful to me.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Deek's played for Scotland already so no chance there.
― Hey Jabulani! Pope of four four two. (aldo), Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Did they not try to get lolmunia at one stage? I agree we should get first dibs on Arteta because he started up here first. I would have thought trying to nab a keeper would be a priority now, no?
(I'm now off to cry at the truthbomb that Nacho Novo would make Scotland better. It's true, but I really don't want it to be)
xposts lol @ aldo
― ailsa, Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:06 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh Mark Yardley would probably make Scotland better, ever now.
― Hey Jabulani! Pope of four four two. (aldo), Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:34 (thirteen years ago) link
ever=even
You mean you're not ecstatic at the return of the prodigal Fat Gaz to the Scotland squad then?
― ailsa, Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Been away, missed that. Is his return through choice or fat(e)?
― Hey Jabulani! Pope of four four two. (aldo), Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe leave it up to Arteta to decide which one he wants to play for?
I don't get this agreement at all, who's supposed to benefit from it? It seems like another excuse for failing against barbarians to be clinging to it now, like refusing to take penalties, or not going to the world cup because you finished runners-up in qualifying, or not sending a team to your own olympics
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it to stop cradlesnatching within the home countries?
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Probably - but then Nigel Quashie et al have been playing for Scotland in recent years. Maybe it's to protect England from Scholes and Owen making the same choice. That doesn't really applies to Arteta anyway, though.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 2 September 2010 12:22 (thirteen years ago) link
lets us nick anyone we want which is all good.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 12:24 (thirteen years ago) link
just don't have 4 teams for one country.
― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 2 September 2010 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
war of conquest over shay given
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link
WTF
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Nigel Quashie has a Scottish granddad though - to play for Scotland, you have to have no more than a second generation link to Scotland. It's not like at present we're hoovering up all random Englishers who can't get a game, just the ones with Scottish grannies (you do all know that Craig Levein contacted every agent in the UK and asked them to check the lineage of all their clients just in case they had a Scottish granny and fancied a game, hence Matt Gilks?).
Not sure what, if any, precedent a nationalised British citizen with no parental or grandparental links to any of the home nations would have on this current set-up.
xpost, haha, not surprised Andy Roxburgh was involved in that. Learning a lot without it actually being any use was kind of his thing.
― ailsa, Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link
England's outstanding player not exactly high praise
― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I knew that Quashie qualified (plus loads of others since I think), I just assumed the 'no Arteta' rule had some wider aspect to it. If the only thinking behind it is to stop guys like Arteta, well what's the point of that?
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Inclusion for Rooney in the top 3 is far too high, however.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
would have picked lennon upson and terry
― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
forgot rob green!
― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Presume is just in case every Britisher player ever fails to get caps because of all these pesky foreigners coming in and stealing their jobs? I notice that rugby and cricket don't care quite so much.
xposts
― ailsa, Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
it's to avoid our country becoming a laughing stock innit
― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 2 September 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
it's to avoid our country becoming 4 separate laughing stocks innit
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01122/MANAGERSPLASH_1122899a.jpg
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:10 (thirteen years ago) link
That will have the rest of the world quaking in their boots with mirth
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 10 September 2010 11:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Big Sam's first press conference as England boss in two years' time: "it's time to get back to old-fashioned English virtues, no disrespect to Mr Capello but he's not English and he doesn't understand blah blah..."
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 10 September 2010 12:07 (thirteen years ago) link
he doesn't understand strong defending, he's italian!
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 12:12 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck all that continental franco baresi 'defending', we need to get back to basics gary cahill defending.
really surprised at the lack of fuss over the best coach ye could have leaving.
tho he did have a shit WC i suppose.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:28 (thirteen years ago) link
he did shit to be fair. i honestly think harry is the man for the job. the players prob are pig ignorant enough that they favour an english boss...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:36 (thirteen years ago) link
the players prob are pig ignorant enough that they favour an english boss...
Not many of them play under one... apart from 'Arry
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I can see an argument for saying that if the players must have English nationality then the coach shd. I don't think I agree but it's iffy.
I'll be happy enough with an English coach cos it'll be one less bullshit excuse for continued failure and whoever gets the job will probably be due for a kick in the hubris.
― Shit Cat and Party (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i did think of that when i was writing it tom, but like, i dunno, for the weird way that job works i can see how maybe an english coach, no language barrier, etc, might be a better idea, motivation seems like the biggest part of it when you see the players so rarely.
anyone think trapp would have done a better job than capello? gotta say his motivational/organisational talent shines through hugely, if his tactics are v dull.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 10 September 2010 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Capello is too good to have to put up with these cunts.
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link
quite
― nakhchivan, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
cunts = the f.a., players, jingoist media, english managers, fans etc etc
― nakhchivan, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah capello's international record is second to none to be fair, unlike the players.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
oh wait
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
good to get a disastrous English manager out of the way before some Polack comes over here, takes our jobs, and wins the 2018 World Cup in England.
either that or, come the end of 2014: arise, Sir Paul Gascoigne.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
They're going to raise him from the dead?
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:14 (thirteen years ago) link
... sorry
tough but fair.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
xp deeply unpleasant person imo
― k¸ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link
how about ray wilkins? he's worked with scolari, hiddink and ancelotti... just a thought.
― The referee was perfect (Chris), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Psycho for the job
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ Consider the source
― Shit Cat and Party (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 September 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8991881.stm
Glenn Hoddle on some Harry Potter 'pure blood' shit right there.
― The referee was perfect (Chris), Sunday, 12 September 2010 11:06 (thirteen years ago) link