fuck var

fuck var

revive this thread when fuck var

always fuck var

fuck the fa implementation of var

fuck var

vuck far

tbf var would have handed cardiff a peno at 1-1 today and we might have lost not drawn

oh that means fuck var haha yes fuck var

obviously only a paranoid fantasist would believe that the FA have implemented VAR in order to ensure that the "correct" results ensue

fuck var

so the way to get var to favour the attack is just to allow a player to be x offside when they're using var. you could even find out what x is by playing marginal decisions in real time to a bunch of linos and seeing what they think is onside. i don't buy that there isn't a sensible value of x that most people can agree on.

fuck knows what they're actually gonna do, if anything at all.

Fuck

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VAR

LOL @ Rangers fans demanding the introduction of VAR to Scottish football. You're shite, Gerrard is shite, get over it.

having seen what an unqualified success it's been in England who can blame them?

VAR, what a load of shit

maybe next season we can look forward to matches being ruined in a different way

VAR hit rock bottom for me yesterday with that red card not being given in the Spurs v Chelsea game. Absolutely farcical shit.

that was just the appetizer for Bournemouth scoring a goal and then the ref immediately giving Burnley a pen for something that had "happened" 5 minutes earlier

Just to get an early reducer in, since we're now comfortably in the era of "everything gets VARed"

fuck VAR

They checked the obviously onside arsenal goal, checked for an Arsenal penalty for fuck knows what, then nothing at all for Odoi getting clattered with an obvious yellow card tackle on the edge of the area 👍

Remember when people said "nah it won't interfere with the flow"?

It’s coming - as we’ve been saying on #BeINSPORTS. ANY part of the body in line - ie a trailing foot - a player will be onside - giving him at least 1 metre advantage on a defender. https://t.co/1sUjdnsgHt

— Richard Keys (@richardajkeys) December 5, 2020

lol

that is to the word what I have been suggesting tbf, wd for listening to user imago

Feel like I forgot to bump this thread a few times recently maybe

Hold up there buddy. Just a minute there. Hold your horses. Yeah I reckon there might have been a bit of a clear and obvious error there. Hold your horses yeah. Just uh, really getting vibes of a, like I said, a clear and obvious error with that one. Obviously you know it can't stand on that basis if it uh...we've got to just play it back but yeah, definitely getting reports of a clear and obvious error coming through. Will be letting you know what it is really soon, yeah

imo every set-piece into the box should be allowed to play out, and then pored over from seventeen camera angles by five different judges, who rank physical contact between players for illegality, and the outcome is a penalty at either end depending on who did more bad stuff. the process will last an economical fifteen minutes

Do all of the previous season's VAR reviews in one go during the close season and then update all the match results and final table like the Eurovision popular vote coming in imo

Yes

Imagine the fun of VAR Penalty Backlog day. Even Americans would like it

Manchester United Football Club... I have to tell you that you are officially ....the CHAMPIONS...of having been relegated from the English Premier League as a result of a bizarre series of minor infractions detected in the buildup to every so-called "goal" you scored this season

Granit Xhaka disappearing from his last eight games due to retrospective suspension like marty mcfly fading from that photo

Oh hello!

That decision may well have been technically correct based on Mwepu attempting to play the ball while offside, but taking five minutes to confirm you're disallowing the best non-Toney goal of the weekend after yesterday's ignominies is Bad Optics

VAR on the ropes; no doubt this is part of an accelerationist plot to restore a wild west where referees are at liberty to allow Man City and Newcastle infringements based on Personal Preference

What about the Aston Villa goal yesterday?

Extremely annoying decision, but the defenders stopped at the whistle and and the keeper was having a half hearted grab at it with that in mind, so maybe not the nailed on Villa winner people are tempted to paint it as

Plus, if Villa had gone ahead, City would have magicked in three goals in the last ten, as they do whenever they are behind

Okay, no fan of Juve but this might be the worst of all time (it isn't in the video, which is already outrageous, but check the replies for why)

A dramatic ending between Juventus and Salernitana.

Arkadiusz Milik thought he had scored a 96th-minute winner for the Old Lady, having come from 2-0 down to win 3-2...

But the goal was ruled out through VAR and Milik was given a second yellow card for taking his shirt off. pic.twitter.com/Zvny3aTMIn

— Football on BT Sport (@btsportfootball) September 11, 2022

I mean, restorative justice cos it's Juve and all, but...lol

still trying to figure this one out. Like it's just objectively wrong?

Hits his knee and then hits his arm, yet it’s a penalty because the @UEFA officials, just like the @premierleague officials are all CORRUPT or BLIND.

SACK VAR IT DOESN’T WORK! 🤬

pic.twitter.com/R9UL06kdq8

— ManUtdMania (@ManUtdMania_) September 8, 2022

apologies for "ManUtdMania"

He even tucks his arm in ffs, absolute horseshit aye

Throwing out all of VAR is just as stupid as the way VAR is being used though

Not the thread for that sort of opinion, please start a ‘var centrism’ thread for you and Danny Murphy to talk about getting ex pros involved or how it’s the laws that are to blame.

Lol

https://i.ibb.co/qnws2rv/Screenshot-20220912-182830.jpg

The Douglas Luiz red card for not headbutting Mitrovic which Michael Oliver gave after being advised to by VAR has...been rescinded on appeal

you have to say that's class

Lol

Look it did the managerectomy job

Women's VARld Cup

we can just incorporate "fuck 20 minutes of injury time" into this thread i guess

terrible for fans at the game but fuck time wasting and fuck managers in the prem with big squads that can change half their outfield players during a game deciding to make 3 of their subs with only a couple of mins of nrml time remaining then complaining about player workload. yellow cards for time wasting should be accompanied by a free kick for the opposition anywhere they want it.

I don't see this working tbh.

a free kick from inside the goal

time wasting only really bothers me when it's extreme (obv my judgement of how extreme it is depends on who it's being used against too)

but ludicrous amounts of stoppage time is always gonna annoy me, and i'm not convinced it does much to address time wasting either

the problem I have is modern sports insistence on exactitude. these are games, this is not DNA testing to exonerate someone on Death Row. watching frame by frame advances to find the little .00000000012 millimeter the player was actually offside doesn't really fit the spirit of the rule (and I don't think people realize that some of their favorite goals of all time might have been call back in the current system).

same with official time-keeping. most people who are avid fans can usually guess the amount of stoppage time within a minute based on how many people scored and how many injuries and substitutions there were, but we don't demand second-by-second accuracy to demand every lost second be replayed.

sure, if someone milks 45 seconds during 3 minutes of stoppage and the ref doesn't compensate for that a little, that's ridiculous, but...at the same token, the team that is chasing the match is doing so because they failed to do the necessary in the previous 90 minutes, so they have some culpability there as well.

I hate what modern HD tv has done to all sports. at least with American football, it's a sport that stops all the time anyway, but nothing's worse than being at a free-flowing football match and have it stop for fucking 5 minutes so someone can watch a movie. and nobody wants 12 minutes of stoppage time!

yep to all of that

only thing nice I'll say is at least it isn't as mental as the NBA, which allowed refs to review three pointers from several minutes earlier and retroactively change the score.

i was at a game once, last few minutes, home team down like 3, and they reviewed a three pointer from several minutes earlier and determined it should have been a 2, so now they were down 4.

half an hour later

That Liverpool pen yesterday looked fuckin scandalous from what I saw

taking away the simulation (because its irrelevant) i thought more than enough to call it a foul meself tbh

its the ones that wont be given and against whom that would sicken you

It's not a hill I'll choose to die on, because as we know you're only allowed to do that three times in a single season now

Did Wolves get their apology yet? Pickford got penalised for a very similar offence to Onana's today

Webb apologised about a minute after the final whistle i think

plus they removed those officials from the next week's matches I believe

mike dean not sending a ref to look at a replay when he failed to spot a clear foul (cuccarella hair pull) because the ref was a mate and dean thought he'd get grief from the dugout at the pitch side monitor says all you need to know about dean and var.

i find it telling that of all incidents they could have picked they chose the one in history that went spurs way

Referee: Cheers mate.

VAR: Thank you mate.

Referee: Well done boys, good process.

Whole thing is great I hope we get the actual audio

Assistant VAR: Offside, goal, yeah. That’s wrong that, Daz.

VAR: What?

the actual audio is on the PL thread!

Oh the audio was released. So good.

VAR fucked it again tonight in the atlético feyenoord game. well done lads

Can you imagine if this happened in an Old Firm game? There'd be civil war.

It was 8 minutes past midnight before VAR confirmed that it is, indeed, 2024.

— Ian Darke (@IanDarke) January 1, 2024

VAR on the ropes; no doubt this is part of an accelerationist plot to restore a wild west where referees are at liberty to allow Man City and Newcastle infringements based on Personal Preference

― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 4 September 2022 14:26 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

i know we keep saying we unironically believe this but we all unironically believe this, right

So in the Africa Cup of Nations semi final Nigeria scored a goal to go 2-0 up with minutes to play, the goal was then reviewed and disallowed and a penalty given to South Africa instead... uhhhhh...

Premier League clubs are set to hold a vote at their annual general meeting next month on a proposal to abolish the video assistant referee (VAR) system from the start of next season.

VAR has been used in the English top-flight since 2019, helping improve decision making but also generating persistent controversy.

The 2023-24 campaign has featured many contentious incidents, which has heightened the criticism of VAR and led some teams and fans to question the competition’s integrity.

A resolution has now been formally submitted to the Premier League by Wolverhampton Wanderers calling for VAR to be scrapped this summer — and that will trigger a vote when representatives of the 20 clubs assemble for their yearly gathering, in Harrogate on June 6.

A Wolves statement said the move came “after careful consideration and with the utmost respect for the Premier League, (referees body) PGMOL and our fellow competitors.

“There is no blame to be placed — we are all just looking for the best possible outcome for football — and all stakeholders have been working hard to try and make the introduction of additional technology a success.

“However, after five seasons of VAR in the Premier League, it is time for a constructive and critical debate on its future.

“Our position is that the price we are paying for a small increase in accuracy is at odds with the spirit of our game, and as a result we should remove it from the 2024/25 season onwards.”

A Premier League spokesperson said: “The Premier League can confirm it will facilitate a discussion on VAR with our clubs at the annual general meeting next month.

“Clubs are entitled to put forward proposals at shareholders’ meetings and we acknowledge the concerns and issues around the use of VAR.

“However, the league fully supports the use of VAR and remains committed, alongside PGMOL, to make continued improvements to the system for the benefit of the game and fans.”

Wolves accepted the decision to introduce VAR was “made in good faith and with the best interests of football and the Premier League at its heart” but argued it has caused “numerous unintended negative consequences that are damaging the relationship between fans and football, and undermining the value of the Premier League brand”.

They listed a host of repercussions, such as:

Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special
Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication
A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR
Overreach of VAR’s original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game’s fluidity and integrity

Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to the safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch
Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards

Disruption of the Premier League’s fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long
Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league
Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption
VAR has again been at the centre of multiple high-profile flashpoints in the past nine months.

Liverpool’s Luis Diaz saw a goal wrongly disallowed for offside against Tottenham Hotspur in September before Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta was left angered by the decision to allow Anthony Gordon’s winning goal to stand for Newcastle United against his side in November.

Nottingham Forest have written letters of complaint to — and considered suing — PGMOL, while also questioning the appointment of VAR Stuart Attwell following April’s defeat at Everton.

IFAB (International Football Association Board), the independent body responsible for the laws of the game, states that VARs can only assist a match official in the event of a “clear and obvious error” or “serious missed incident”.

They can step in on decisions over goals, no goals, penalties, direct red cards or cases of mistaken identity.

Sweden last month became the first country to reject implementing VAR after a fan backlash.

Supporters from clubs — where there must be a minimum of 51 per cent fan-ownership — prompted the climbdown after the president of the Swedish Football Association, Fredrik Reinfeldt, had previously backed the idea.

Premier League clubs have a constitutional right to put forward rule changes, with any proposal needing a two thirds (14-6) majority to pass.

The top-flight’s board of directors believes removing VAR is not the correct path forward, suggesting that doing so would increase wrong calls and adversely impact the Premier League’s reputation among Europe’s leading divisions.

Since VAR was brought in five years ago, the number of correct decisions made in games has increased from 82 per cent, prior to its introduction, to 96 per cent this season.

It also thinks the void left, having removed VAR, would potentially place even greater criticism on on-field decisions made by match officials and increase frustration for supporters.

The league points to innovations such as semi-automated offside technology (SAOT) — which was voted through unanimously in April — and in-stadium VAR announcements as evidence of the efforts being made to improve the system.

this will totally lead to a thoughtful, good faith discussion where all the interested parties come together to think about the game as a spectacle and the best interests of fans

"so we are agreed, there will now be four quarters in every game - we will play 22:30, then review the entire quarter and reverse any incorrect calls, then we will play the next 22:30. then review, then halftime, then the next 22:30, rinse repeat. fans must commit to three - four hours of football"

Since VAR was brought in five years ago, the number of correct decisions made in games has increased from 82 per cent, prior to its introduction, to 96 per cent this season.

says what cunt?

dermot gallagher on sky pulling his stomach out to a signed photo of howard dean? fuck off.

a little bit of me is wondering if this is so Fosun can say they've done something this summer

quoting stats on the correctness of decisions is a great way to ignore issues like how infinitesimal is the difference between correct and incorrect, how much the time spent adjudicating a 1mm offside interrupted the flow of a game, and whether those "correct" decisions were applied consistently across all teams and matches

it's not like "red for me" vs "never a red!!!" wasn't a debate pre-VAR, like the way they convinced lemmings this was good was pretending a humongous chunk of the sport isn't simply judgement call, the idea of a 'right call' fairy that will wave a wand and say 'this was the correct call, there is no room for debate, it is now settled'.

obviously some are black and white but these aren't the ones being screamed about. nobody was taping matches in 2015 on old VHS machines so they could frame by frame advance to look where someone's knee was when the ball was played.

if var had stuck to the black & white that was initially promised then just maybe this thread wouldn't exist

I actually think var is good now because it helps Aston Villa catch people offside

So tonight, in Major League Soccer, my team, Orlando City, were awarded a PK.

They went to VAR

Ruled that TWO MINUTES PRIOR that we had actually committed a foul in the box at the other end, and awarded the opposing team a PK.

There was a foul not called by their player ten seconds before that but they couldn't review that.

I'm ready to sell my tickets for the rest of the year

Like I've joked about this exact scenario and it finally happened

Yet more evidence that voting simply does not work

get the VARies out!

lol 19-1

srsly?? i had no expectations and there are some nuances here but that is pathetic

It would have been 22-1 but there were a couple of borderline offsides where the keeper's view was deemed to have been obstructed

lol

some enhancements we will probably see:

1) whenever the semi-automated offside detects a possible offside infraction, a recording is played through the stadium at 95 db that says

"ATTENTION: one of the players involved in build-up may or may not be offside, therefore everything that is happening right now might be for naught. Please hold your celebrations if anybody scores."

2) whenever there is a red card, the player is executed on the field, so there can be no rescinding of cards later

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/shamed-rangers-var-issues-grovelling-33411747

Polish official Bartosz Frankowski has apologised and begged for forgiveness after his arrest shame before Rangers' Champions League showdown with Dynamo Kyiv and explained why he and a VAR sidekick stole a road sign.

Frankowski and countryman Tomasz Musial were supposed to be on the VAR team for the match in Lublin, but were arrested for drunken behaviour by local police and replaced. The pair are expected to be dismissed by the Polish FA now and Frankowski, who worked at Euro 2024, expressed deep regret at their moment of drunken madness.

This might help explain some of the more inexplicable VAR decisions happening worldwide.

even fucking Tae Kwon Do at the Olympics has VAR

i mean tbh in a strike-based competition I can see it but just loling that it's made it to every sport now

This penalty decision given by VAR last night in the Chelsea game might just be the worst I’ve seen in the 5 years it’s been in use.

The Chelsea player KICKS the FC Noah player and gets the penalty 🤦🏼‍♂️

Irrelevant of the result. Bin the lot. pic.twitter.com/urPqZDeU7D

— Scott E (@ScottEaglen) November 8, 2024

idk about that tbh

A comeback was really in the works before this took all the steam outta FC Noah. Shameful

More VAR nonsense. Fernandes is a mere shadow for that alleged Saints foul for the equaliser but the 'woke' VAR won't let football be football. It has had its day already.

Laurie, Cheam