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Do you think it's really about coaching? Or do you need player continuity before coaching?

I look at my local team - Dallas - and they've played so many minutes together that they're almost better when everything breaks down. Helps to have Blas Perez who is a goal poacher with few peers.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 01:40 (eleven years ago)

fwiw the shirt design is a takeoff of one of their old shirts + the colors from the city flag

http://www.oldfootballshirts.com/img/shirts/426/chicago-fire-away-football-shirt-2000-2002-s_710_1.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oPKFLzZk4Cg/VPSAml2uQWI/AAAAAAAAfFY/pjjiTAuUgHM/s1600/Chicago-Fire-2015-Away-Kit%2B%286%29.jpg

dan m, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 01:41 (eleven years ago)

See, I like (and remember) the old shirt! The sleeve stripes and the light blue Quaker stripes together just screams "early 80s pajamas" to me.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 01:45 (eleven years ago)

Do you think it's really about coaching? Or do you need player continuity before coaching?

I look at my local team - Dallas - and they've played so many minutes together that they're almost better when everything breaks down. Helps to have Blas Perez who is a goal poacher with few peers.

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:40 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I and most other long-time fans blame ownership before the coach. Don't get me wrong, I think Yallop is a terrible coach, but I think Guus Hiddink or Pep Guardiola or Bruce Arena or really any of the 'best coaches' in the world or just the USA would struggle mightily here. Ownership provides the bare minimum of investment and is widely seen as sitting on the franchise while other owners and expansion cause team values to rise and rise. (He bought in for $40m I think, and NYCFC went for $100m+ ... Chicago is a big market.)

I also realize almost all supporters of every club in the world hate ownership, so it's not a unique situation.

xp I also haaaate the current home shirt with a passion. The removal of the iconic white chest stripe is a crime.

dan m, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 02:08 (eleven years ago)

I could go on about ownership for a while. There are a couple of 10k+ post threads on bigsoccer about the topic if you're interested in finding out more.

dan m, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 02:11 (eleven years ago)

I might just to torture myself. Hopefully things turn around for you Dan.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 02:58 (eleven years ago)

Fire acquire Victor Perez on loan from Valladolid, v interested in this signing especially if they can figure out a way to keep him.

dan m, Friday, 27 March 2015 18:07 (eleven years ago)

whitecaps were terrible today but snuck a 2-1 victory over the timbers at the death with a goal from zambian-born welsh journeyman robert earnshaw on his whitecaps debut. 3 wins in a row, but not impressing so much.

have we got a thread for the copa america centenario? venues will be announced in may. im for sure going to a game. won't be too hard on the west coast, though ideally for me Seattle will be chosen as a venue. legitimately excited by the prospect.

Rave Van Donk (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 29 March 2015 06:07 (eleven years ago)

Definitely gonna need a thread for the Centenario. I'll probably make one for the Gold Cup this summer, too.

Fire (somehow) win! vs Philly, though obv Philly is more on the Fire's "likely to be relegated if such a thing were possible" level than any of their previous competition. I saw some of Colorado's game this weekend, too, and they are also garbage.

It makes it even tougher to deal with when Harry Shipp does this

http://streamable.com/6jkk?t=0.0

and there is no one to finish. Should have kept Robert Earnshaw on after last year!

A few players are coming back from injury/internationals so things will likely get a little better. Also liking the looks of the new guy (one of the many), Joevin Jones.

dan m, Monday, 30 March 2015 21:37 (eleven years ago)

Orlando plays its best on the road when I can't watch them. fucking figures.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 30 March 2015 21:43 (eleven years ago)

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/embarchie/michel.jpg

alomar lines, Saturday, 11 April 2015 02:19 (eleven years ago)

serna w/ a cracker tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0x1_7fwsOA

alomar lines, Saturday, 11 April 2015 02:21 (eleven years ago)

three weeks pass...

still really enjoying the MLS season, even with Orlando kinda returning to the expected expansion pratfalls. Still winless (0-3-1) at home, and in fact haven't scored there since Kaka's opening day stoppage goal, but they've had 30k+ there at every match. for Orlando, that's kind of insane. shame the new stadium (assuming it gets built) will only hold 19,500.

tonight is an exhibition against Ponte Prieta, looking forward to it.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 2 May 2015 19:42 (eleven years ago)

figures they'd get their 3 goal explosion and home win when it doesn't count. though I'm not naive, as with all friendlies, both sides mostly featured younger reserves and the match was fairly passive for 20+ minutes.

Still, two goals off of set pieces is pretty inspiring. now to do it when it counts.

also was frustrated last night to arrive and find the seats next to mine occupied by young children, especially since I knew their tickets weren't there and their parents just told them they could sit there as they were unoccupied. The young girl wasn't a problem, but the boy kept walking back and forth across my line of vision, and then someone gave him a ball and he kept kicking it across the aisle, parents nowhere to be found.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 3 May 2015 14:21 (eleven years ago)

I kidnapped him and sold him for a hefty profit, last laugh mine.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 3 May 2015 14:21 (eleven years ago)

lol I am in the highlight video again, due to where my seat is located....

http://www.orlandocitysc.com/post/2015/05/02/highlights-orlando-city-sc-3-ponte-preta-2?autoplay=true

1:08 - 1:13 mark, lowly guy sitting in the last seat of the first row, hunched over, watching the corner.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 3 May 2015 17:53 (eleven years ago)

A bunch of my friends decided to rent a van and drive to KC for the Fire game there today, feeling p jelly I couldn't ditch life and go along.

dan m, Sunday, 3 May 2015 18:48 (eleven years ago)

New York's alright if you like saxophones

dan m, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 11:25 (eleven years ago)

we don't give a "crud"

did Fred Savage write this fight song when he was 11

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 21:34 (eleven years ago)

embarrassing on multiple levels

tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 22:24 (eleven years ago)

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tiLB5sfVoE

oh my god the lolz

dan m, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:27 (ten years ago)

The red card means Dempsey will be automatically suspended by the US Soccer Federation for Seattle’s next Open Cup game in 2016, but given the aggravating circumstances – his actions appear to constitute an assault under the federation’s own rulebook – Dempsey could face as much as a three-month ban from the national team, ruling him out of the forthcoming Gold Cup.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jun/17/will-us-soccer-dare-make-an-example-of-clint-dempsey

dan m, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 20:16 (ten years ago)

it's sad:

It's 5am, I've got my Dark Green 3rd,

and I’m ready for some football.

Is there a Timbers’ Army division in southern Russia? Should I start one? I’m here for another month.
by JD SoOR on Jun 24, 2015 | 6:58 PM reply

alomar lines, Thursday, 25 June 2015 05:24 (ten years ago)

Gio dos Santos rumored to LA
Marko Marin rumored to KC
Bag of deflated NATIVO soccer balls rumored to CHI

dan m, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 14:11 (ten years ago)

Chicharito rumoured to Orlando

tayto fan (Michael B), Thursday, 2 July 2015 00:15 (ten years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EyUWH0LNrs

M͡y scͭrͨeen֟name is Joelly (alomar lines), Sunday, 12 July 2015 16:30 (ten years ago)

Fire finally beat Seattle and I was out of the country lol

dan m, Monday, 13 July 2015 11:59 (ten years ago)

Fire and Montreal dicing on who gets to sign 37 year old Drogba, be still my beating heart.

dan m, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 01:22 (ten years ago)

looks like we'll be enemies for the Open Cup! wonder who of my squad will get horseshit red carded this week!

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 01:44 (ten years ago)

nice match. Chicago was real disruptive to our timing in the first half and the speed was too much to overcome.

hope we don't lay an egg against NYCFC tomorrow.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 25 July 2015 14:35 (ten years ago)

Classic MLS. Fire send Drogba's "rights" to Montreal for league funny money, then turn around and sign another teams castoff designated player in Gilberto.

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Monday, 27 July 2015 20:07 (ten years ago)

Also yeah, the Open Cup match was a little bit of payback for the league game a few weeks ago. Doesn't mean Fire aren't halfass incarnate.

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Monday, 27 July 2015 20:08 (ten years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLeZxUsWgAAZWey.jpg

tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 3 August 2015 15:20 (ten years ago)

fuuuck I hate Giovinco. he does three things - score, flop, and bitch.

also nice Keystone Kop impersonation Orlando City, dafuq was that.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 6 August 2015 01:03 (ten years ago)

Orlando City's homer broadcasters are just the WORST, god.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 6 August 2015 01:09 (ten years ago)

Giovinco is a son of a bitch, it's true

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Thursday, 6 August 2015 02:29 (ten years ago)

Good god Fire are just toothless at random. Beat the best team in the league, then fall to a mostly scrappy Portland.

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Saturday, 8 August 2015 05:32 (ten years ago)

With the exact same squad, I might add.

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Saturday, 8 August 2015 05:33 (ten years ago)

I feel like that's been the way the league has gone this year. weeeeeeird season. strange too cos the Fire sure showed a fuck ton of speed and attack against us in the OPen Cup - would expect that to yield results more often than not, esp against Portland (who even my boys scored twice on).

bummed to miss my second consecutive Orlando City home match (tho for a great reason - a wedding). renewed for next year tho.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 8 August 2015 13:52 (ten years ago)

OK normally I find John Kass an odious blowhard but when it comes to the Fire he captures the supporter zeitgeist perfectly

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-kass-chicago-fire-met-0814-20150814-column.html

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Friday, 14 August 2015 03:08 (ten years ago)

that links not working for me.

mls season has been p strange for me, following the whitecaps. currently sitting top in the western conference, second in the league overall (with the proviso that there's teams close behind with games in hand). the caps often look poor. belaboured going forward, careless at the back - pa modou kah is a bombscare. they have a great record on the road, but a poor home record. david ousted is a great goalkeeper. they've won a lot of their games with late goals in low-scoring games. they've been both unlucky and lucky with many of their results in games that ive watched. unmerited victories. bitter defeats.pedro morales sometimes looks great, sometimes awfully careless in possession. octavio rivero is a decent forward.

so almost guaranteed the playoffs, have no idea how they'll do in them.

corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Friday, 14 August 2015 03:22 (ten years ago)

Huh, not sure why, it works for me. Seemingly random things get paywalled on the Trib site sometimes.

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Friday, 14 August 2015 03:27 (ten years ago)

ah yeah that was the deal for me.

corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Friday, 14 August 2015 03:30 (ten years ago)

Seems like you might be able to get around it by hitting the "reader view" button in Firefox? I don't pay for Trib articles, who knows. Maybe it's a Canada thing.

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Friday, 14 August 2015 03:31 (ten years ago)

Reading your assessment of Vancouver makes them sound an awful lot like the Earthquakes of 2011 or 2012, can't remember which, where they were awful but ended up scoring boatloads of late goals games and won the regular season title (and flaming out in the playoffs).

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Friday, 14 August 2015 04:17 (ten years ago)

here


chicagotribune.com
'Tradition, Honor, Passion' with the Chicago Fire? Not so much anymore
Chicago Tribune

Chicago hates losers, especially lovable, hapless losers.

Yet the new Cubs, with all that young talent, are no longer the lovable losers of Chicago. And, according to "Back to the Future Part II," the North Siders have already won the World Series this year.

The White Sox are still the White Sox, playing the Cubs this weekend. The Blackhawks are Stanley Cup champions.

The Bulls? A sad, desperate Jimmy-Derrick soap opera to come. The Bears? Jay Cutler. Whatever.

But there's another team out there that plays in Chicago summers, losers, yes, but not lovable. Sports media doesn't much care, but their fans care, fans like me who love the club but hate to see what's happened to it.

The Chicago Fire.

Yeah, the soccer team, with the famed credo many of you have never heard: Tradition, Honor, Passion.

And now? No tradition, no passion. Major League Soccer is a supremely physical league. But we're forced to watch so-called stars play defense as if they were a bunch of gentle Hobbits with hairy feet.

With the other teams (Hawks excepted) collapsing or failing, the Fire had a chance to make a mark. They made their mark all right. On their shoes.

They're in last place in the worst division in the league. And the other day they lost their only chance at a trophy by falling, haplessly, 1-0 to the Philadelphia Union in the U.S. Open Cup playoff.

"I'm gutted for the club and our fans right now," said head coach Frank Yallop.

Gutted? Like a fish, Frank, you and all the rest of us.

Some think the evil eye has been put on them. One fan who sits behind me at Toyota Park — I'll call him Jimmy V — wants to put charms around the field to ward off the mati, or the moogli (evil eye).

Others of us think owner Andrew Hauptman, a wealthy movie producer who lives in California, is a cheapskate who either can't, or won't, get decent players.

Fans are so angry that in Philadelphia on Wednesday, they unfurled a huge banner declaring war with Hauptman. On it were these simple words:

Hauptman Out.

They want to embarrass the MLS into forcing a change in ownership. And it might just work.

The war started two years ago, when Hauptman foolishly released an open letter on the team's website, signed by a hapless underling, attacking fans for daring to boo Hauptman during a game.

The owner-fan relationship, if there ever was one, died that day. Now it's open war.

Fire sources say the bosses are upset with the banner. But I'd suggest if they don't like it, then sell and let someone else run the club.

One angry fan (OK, it was me) tweeted out that the Fire had just hired a new mascot: Death.

"This is rock bottom for the franchise," said Guillermo Rivera, the knowledgeable critic who writes the Chicago Fire Confidential blog carried by ChicagoNow. I'm a reader.

"The Fire have been around since '98. And they've lived up to their 'Tradition, Honor, Passion' credo for years, making playoffs and being respected," Rivera told me over the phone Thursday.

"But over the past six years, it has been the absolute opposite. You see the results and the way the organization has been run. I'm seeing fans who've been around since the beginning, fans who love the Fire, now turning their backs. They're slipping further and further into irrelevancy."

I've met Hauptman several times. He was pleasant. I don't wish him ill. This isn't personal. But he's had his chance.

All he had to do was pay for good players and leave his club alone and sit in California and make movies. But he didn't.

He's made several movies, including "State of Play" with Russell Crowe.

But Hauptman also made the 2002 sci-fi film "Thunderpants." The Internet Movie Database website describes it this way: "An 11-year-old boy's amazing ability to break wind leads him first to fame and then to death row."

Thunderpants?

I can't get that one out of my head. I fear it will never leave.

Hauptman's problem isn't "Thunderpants," it's that he's always on the phone, meddling, meddling, meddling, and being forced to overpay for mediocre players.

Now, Yallop is being made a scapegoat like the last coach, Frank Klopas.

But the problem isn't the coach. It's the owner. And he has to change his ways.

Rocky Wirtz, the best owner in town, runs a decent franchise, doesn't he? He hires people to run his Blackhawks, and he stays out of the way and Chicago loves him.

Sean Spence, who writes the soccer blog Hot Time In Old Town, says, "I compare covering the Fire to what it must have been like being a Moscow correspondent decades ago. All the suits are terrified, looking over their shoulders."

Evan Whitfield, now a Chicago lawyer, was once a tough Fire defender. I've always thought him to be fair.

"Having been a player, I can tell you that players are always trying," Whitfield said. "It's not an effort issue, it's a quality issue. This team is just not fun to watch."

As I was finishing this, the Fire released a statement by Atul Khosla, the chief operating officer.

"We certainly understand the frustration of our fans. No one associated with the Chicago Fire Soccer Club is satisfied with this season to date. The organization however remains steadfast in its commitment to winning games and being a model franchise for business practice."

Chicago Fire fans are told "Tradition, Honor, Passion," yet management speaks in the language of bureaucrats, droning on about "model business practice."

Pathetic. Hapless. Sad.

jsk✧✧✧@trib✧✧✧.c✧✧

Twitter @John_Kass

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Friday, 14 August 2015 04:20 (ten years ago)

The reference to Thunderpants is especially lol imo.

ive reddit all your posts and I want a crowdfund (dan m), Friday, 14 August 2015 04:21 (ten years ago)

that's fairly depressing reading.

didnt get to see the whitecaps game this evening, for some reason it wasn't on my cable plan, they were winning 3-1 against skc, only to lose 4-3 in injury time. enigmatic and patchy as ever.

corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 16 August 2015 05:06 (ten years ago)

just saw the highlights, whitecaps were 3-1 until 80 minutes. conceded 3 goals in the final 14 minutes of the match.

corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 16 August 2015 06:28 (ten years ago)


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