"The monkeys start to squeal, lie and create conspiracy plots" - Scottish Football 2012/13

Funny old season this, still 'mon the Bhoys

I assume no-one's asked St Mirren if their League Cup Final win was tainted by not having Strong Rangers challenging them for it? No? Just us?

Yr POTY nominations:

Leigh Griffiths
Michael Higdon
Niall McGinn
Andrew Shinnie

Yr Wee POTY noms:

Stuart Armstrong
Leigh Griffiths
Gary Mackay-Steven
Victor Wanyama

No Kris Commons no credibility.

I think it's super that non-Old Firm players are up for this, but will English premier clubs really be looking at these guys ahead of Wanyama, Hooper or Forster

That tit on Reporting Scotland yesterday started the feature about the candidates by explaining that The Rangers players weren't eligible because Rangers weren't in the SPL o_O

Neil Lennon must be a shoo-in for manager of the year, winning the league at a canter and getting to the last 16 of the CL without any of the best players in Scotland.

From the candidates available I'd give both awards to Griffiths for performing consistently well and scoring goals in a poor team.

Yeah, though I think Gary Mackay-Steven may get YPOTY for some awesome skillz, even though Griffiths has been more consistent. I might leave the country if Michael fucking Higdon wins it.

Mackay-Steven is like the SoccerAM Showboat option. He spends a large chunk of most games being ineffectual while occasionally putting together five seconds of gif bait whereas Griffiths is a constant threat/pain in the arse.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant by awesome skillz vs consistency.

Coould it be the case that those who were voting may have thought that Celtic players were going to get plenty of votes anyway, so chose to vote for less obvious candidates, with this result?

just think how a year ago it was Rangers and their sense of entitlement!

It's not a sense of entitlement. Kris Commons (to name but one) is a very influential, consistent and effective player who's been instrumental in his team winning the league with games to spare, getting to a cup final and getting through a very difficult Champions League group. You really think the champions don't have *any* of the best players in the league they've just won for the second year running?

Everyone thought Celtic would win the league easily - why was that?

No-one's saying the other players aren't any good. They've all played well this season, though some have been inconsistent - I wouldn't grudge Griffiths winning ahead of any Celtic player but that there are none even in the running doesn't seem right to me.

I can understand a few omissions - Brown's missed a chunk of games, as has Forrest. Mulgrew hasn't done as well as last season. Hooper had a great spell then faded after January but he's still for me the best striker in the country. Ledley's been rock solid, Forster's been heroic, Samaras has made himself maybe the most difficult man in the league to play against when he's given the freedom to play as a wide forward. Wanyama's good enough and big enough to be nominated for the senior award.

I would have had Commons in it myself (big fan of him for many years) but honestly some of the comments I've seen in the press and on twitter and elsewhere really has shown a complete sense of entitlement from Celtic fans.

So you chose to post your whinging here, where there is no sense of entitlement evident at all.

Terry Butcher and Pat Fenlon said they were surprised that no Celtic player made the list. Horrible sense of entitlement iyam.

fucken Leigh Griffiths, aye that Dean Saunders is a good judge of a player alright

tbf tho the SPL will look pretty sweet compared to League 1 so stay strong, Hibs

a complete sense of entitlement from Celtic fans

Bollocks or should that be Trollocks

ikr

fucken Leigh Griffiths, aye that Dean Saunders is a good judge of a player alright

― we're up all night to get picky (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 April 2013 09:37 (4 hours ago) Bookmark

his footballing prowess wasnt under consideration at the time iirc tbf

nah that was just front i think, Deano had him back for an afternoon, watched maybe one training sesh and decided that a powerhouse squad like ours cd do without him.

i mean, we've been playing Adam Hammill and he beat the shit out of a paramedic or sump'n

He's such a Hibee I'm surprised he can function at all 5 miles from Leith

And they want to bring alcohol back? no thanks. The only times fans are sober is during the game!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/celtic-rangers-old-firm-under-17-1860750

You do know that alcohol is available at many SPL grounds? Only if you're in the posh seats of course. Being able to spend £1000 instead of £500 on a season ticket obviously means you can take your drink.

I'm perfectly capable of drinking alcohol without being a violent offensive destructive prick. Violent offensive destructive pricks are perfectly capable of being that without alcohol. I'm sure alcohol is a factor but the biggest factor is these cunts using this game as an excuse to hate on the other cunts they haven't been able to abuse for a year.

Those drunken morons in executive boxes are the worst!

So why are they allowed a pint but not me?

They shouldn't be. I dunno why they are.

I do.

Money talks?

Not just that. It's an attitude thing. The boards of clubs see the people in expensive seats and boxes and buying corporate hospitality as their kind of people are therefore not capable of being obnoxious drunken cunts.
They see the rest of us as a drunken untrustworthy underclass rabble, much like you do.

lol

Did I miss the bit in that article where it had anything to do with alcohol?

From that article: "Cops and stewards looked on as supporters sang sectarian songs and spat abuse. "

That new legislation's working well then, as the only arrests were the two Sevco fans who invaded the pitch and one person outside the stadium.

Meanwhile through the east, I give you the ferranti thistle ultras. They have to be pished.

Anyway in groundhoggier news, super soaraway sources say hearts are going bust. Club statement not exactly reassuring.

*kicks russian hat around an empty car park*

I'd heard rumours the other day that a quickie administration and CVA was being knocked together to wipe out the debt but Dundee's recent run of results has fucked it up because the point deduction (16 or 18 points iirc) would take them down.

That's really not reassuring at all, is it? Heard a wee "going into admin" whisper yesterday, but heard it so many times already that I'm running out of salt to take a pinch of.

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Also, surely it'd be a 10 point deduction as per Deidco? I think the arbitrary amount to achieve the correct level of fucking-shit-up-ness is a SFL construct?

The rule changed*. It's now 10 points or a third of last season's league total, whichever's greatest.

*according to randomers I follow on twitter, I haven't actually checked the rules.

Agreed in December:

Where a Club which was a member of the League in the immediately preceding Season takes, suffers or is subject to an Insolvency Event that Club shall be deducted the greater of 10 points and one third, rounded up to the nearest whole number, of the total number of points, excluding any points deducted for any reason, gained by that Club in the League in the immediately preceding Season

http://www.scotprem.com/content/mediaassets/doc/RULES%20EFFECTIVE%203%20DECEMBER%202012.pdf

1/3 * 52 = 17.33 rounded up = 18 points = fuxored

Cheers, had missed that totally. Not like the SPL to make up new rules as they go along after events, eh?

totally otm re running out of salt. People on kickback (font of all shite, admittedly) seem to think there's something in it this time. I'm clinging to the hope that, like the whisper onimo heard, it wouldn't make sense now as means relegation which wouldn't help the club's value any if they want to flog it. OTOH, can't see it being worth anything as a going concern.

Whoever ends up in the musical chair next season (assuming there is one) I hope they stop saying "Hearts is" in their statements. I know it's grammatically correct but it sounds awful. (pedantry as avoidance tactic...)

It's an attitude thing. The boards of clubs see the people in expensive seats and boxes and buying corporate hospitality as their kind of people are therefore not capable of being obnoxious drunken cunts.

They see the rest of us as a drunken untrustworthy underclass rabble, much like you do.

I agree with this absolutely, and would have no problem with booze being sold at football grounds under the same rules as currently in hospitality (i.e. not while the actual game's on). I'd rather give Celtic my money for a pre-match pint than any of the shite pubs on Duke Street. Only problem I can foresee is the length of time it take to get a pie and a coffee at half time would mean you'd have approx one nanosecond to actually drink your half-time pint. Interested in the "lol" response from AG, do you think onimo's response is laughable (I think it's spot on), or are you laughing at yourself for buying into stereotyping?

I do have concerns that one stupid wee wank is going to get us all tarred with a jakey brush though, regardless of where (s)he bought his/her beer before mouthing off at a polis inside a stadium. However, one pished up jakey in pub/club/at a gig/at T in the Park or whatever doesn't get alcohol banned for the rest of the public responsibly enjoying a beer or three in the same environment, but this ignorant pigheaded idea that all football fans are irresponsible fight-seeking alcoholics (and that irresponsible fight-seeking football-goers are all drunk) seems innate and pervasive, so it's not going to fly, is it?

Innate to some people, that should say.

Yr Manager of the Year nominations: Neil Lennon, Terry Butcher, Stuart McCall, Allan Johnston. Unlucky for Derek Adams I reckon, top six finish with a tiny wee club is a great achievement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357133

Rangers manager Ally McCoist, whose side won Division Three in their first season in the bottom tier, and Alan Archibald, who led Partick Thistle to the Division One title after the late-season departure of Jackie McNamara to Dundee United, also miss out.

Lol at the idea that Sally was even in consideration!

does Manager of the Year refer only to achievements in the league? cos obv there is a disconnect between Lennon's European exploits and winning the SPL