"The monkeys start to squeal, lie and create conspiracy plots" - Scottish Football 2012/13

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Currently yes, but over time the old issue of exactly who was generating all the money would raise its head again. That's why I said "imo" and "eventually" - I wasn't quoting rules, I was speculating on a future you invented.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:16 (thirteen years ago)

I see no mention of Celtic in that article. Also it's about a summer invitation league in years between international tournaments and wouldn't involve anyone leaving anywhere.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:17 (thirteen years ago)

Would Hibs and Aberdeen or Motherwell or Dundee Utd etc get colt teams?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:18 (thirteen years ago)

onimo it was a joke.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:18 (thirteen years ago)

No-one is getting colt teams. It's a proposal put forward by one man whose jaiket should already be on a shaky peg and whose organisation will likely vanish under proposed league reformation. It's a last effort to make himself look relevant. It will be rightly kicked into touch.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:22 (thirteen years ago)

“The concept has been in place in both the Italian and Spanish leagues for over 20 seasons with Barcelona, Real Madrid and both Milan clubs having colt teams.

Pish, Milan clubs have never had this. This clown doesn't have a clue.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:22 (thirteen years ago)

the tv money is the same whether you have games shown or not according to Sc0tt Struth3rs

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:13 PM (38 minutes ago)

That's what I thought too, thus thinking it's mad one of our likely biggest gates of the season (vs Dundee Utd) has been moved from Sat 3pm to Mon 8pm.

michaellambert, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:56 (thirteen years ago)

Scheduling has been a joke this season, they've had three SPL games up against televised Champions League games and they keep televising SPL games at stupid times.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:06 (thirteen years ago)

its time games from parkhead and ibrox were shown on tv

They are.

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:11 (thirteen years ago)

yeah when they play each other

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:12 (thirteen years ago)

And when they play other people too. Rangers' home game next weekend is on ESPN.

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:19 (thirteen years ago)

The Rangers, sorry :(

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:20 (thirteen years ago)

Saturday 4 August, 2012
Celtic v Aberdeen - Sky Sports, 12.45pm
Sunday October 7
Celtic v Hearts, 12.45pm - Sky Sports
Sunday February 24, 2013
Celtic v Dundee - live on Sky Sports, 12.45pm

We'll probably get one post-split too, especially if there's a trophy being handed out.

Dundee have had two home games televised.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:53 (thirteen years ago)

Ross County have had one game televised.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:54 (thirteen years ago)

Why should Celtic take a hit on gates and those two be protected?

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:54 (thirteen years ago)

the leagues imploding without rangers obviously. Still, nice to see tv has changed a bit this year.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:57 (thirteen years ago)

It's not changed at all. There's always been home games televised at Celtic Park and Ibrox against other teams outwith the two Glasgow teams (pre one of them being dead).

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 15:34 (thirteen years ago)

The only change is in the opposition that we're being televised against, and I think I'm right in saying that it's only in the last couple of years that we've had away games that haven't been televised (but this pre-dated Rangers' departure from the SPL so Saturday's game wasn't setting any precedent).

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 15:38 (thirteen years ago)

Dunfermline issued winding up order. Really hope they pull through.

sktsh, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:57 (thirteen years ago)

Haud on, ARE TO BE issued one. Sorry. Catching up on the day's news and jumped the gun. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/8562838/Dunfermline-are-to-be-issued-with-a-winding-up-order-from-HMRC

sktsh, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:59 (thirteen years ago)

Ach, Hearts get them every other week. Nae biggie *fingers crossed*

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 22:45 (thirteen years ago)

Paw Broon finally decides he's had enough. Just googling to see when he was on the Clyde board, I've just found out that he's an author of a book about primary school teaching, and a past lecturer at Paisley Uni and has a degree in English and Geography.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21785178

ailsa, Thursday, 14 March 2013 11:36 (thirteen years ago)

nd a past lecturer at Paisley Uni

You mean Paisley College of Technology?

Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 March 2013 12:22 (thirteen years ago)

aye :) no' having any of that university of the west of scotland pish at any rate.

ailsa, Thursday, 14 March 2013 13:27 (thirteen years ago)

http://m.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers/rovers-rally-round-rivals-1-2837330

Turnbull Hutton otm again

"This is all about Longmuir getting into bed with Rangers, and we will be rebelling against it."

Habemus mundissimo ostentus nomen (onimo), Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:38 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic--rangers-attendances-up-1767244

CROWDS at Celtic and Rangers games this season have been up to 20,000 lower than the figures released to the public.

It goes some way to explaining the huge gaps in the stands when the clubs have been claiming near full-houses.

The number of supporters the clubs publicise as turning up to home SPL and Division Three matches is far larger than the true figure reported to police, official records show.

Fans used freedom of information laws to force Strathclyde Police to reveal the real number of supporters attending games at Ibrox and Parkhead.

We obtained the figures as they are now on public record.

Celtic publicised a figure of 49,428 on the SPL website for their game against Ross County at Parkhead in December – 20,497 more than the real attendance of 28,931.

And when Rangers played Queen’s Park at Ibrox in October, the attendance figure published on the Scottish Footbal League website was 49,463.

But the real number given to police was just 34,481 – a difference of 14,982.

The difference is understood to be made up mainly of season ticket holders counted as attending when they have not actually gone to the game.

Publishing the total number of tickets sold – including season ticket holders who haven’t made it to the game – rather than the number at the game is common among senior clubs.

Strathclyde Police ask the Old Firm and all the clubs in their force area for attendance figures to plan safe crowd control and to calculate how many police will need to attend games.

The only fans who aren’t counted are the small number in hospitality or others who don’t pass through the turnstiles such as disabled supporters.

In the 13 league games Celtic played between the start of the season and their game against Kilmarnock on January 30, the club reported an official gate of 597,391.

But over the same period the club have only reported a figure of 437,990 to
the police.

It means the publicised figure has been inflated by 159,401 – a 36 per cent increase.

So the average number of people at each game was 33,692 rather than 45,953.

Meanwhile, Rangers played 11 home league games in Division Three between the beginning of the season and January 30.

They publicised a total attendance figure of 515,250, while the figure reported to the police was just 407,909.

That’s a difference of 107,341 – a 26 per cent increase.

On average, the number of people going through the turnstiles was 37,083, rather than the claimed 46,841.

The publicised figures given by St Mirren, Motherwell and Kilmarnock for
matchday attendances at their grounds appeared to match the ones given to police.

A police spokeswoman said: “The figures are provided to the police by the football club and are taken from live data compiled by the electronic turnstiles management system from patrons entering the stadium.

“The figures do not include some corporate hospitality guests and those patrons who enter the stadium outwith the control of turnstile management.

“These figures are vital to ensure that there is effective queue management of spectators entering the stadium, to maintain spectator cross-flow around the stadium and to ensure that there is no critical overloading of any area of the stadium during ingress.

“The figures are also used as a baseline to effectively plan the resourcing of both stewards and police at future matches involving both clubs.”

The SPL confirmed that they take their attendance figures from the Press Association, who in turn receive them from the clubs.

A Celtic spokesman said: “Like many other British clubs, the figures we provide are total paid attendances between season books and matchday tickets.

“In addition the police figures do not include all corporate hospitality figures.”

A Rangers spokesperson said: “Our crowds are calculated on the number of tickets sold for each game, which we understand is common practice for the overwhelming majority of clubs in the country.”

The SPL and SFL both declined to comment.

After matches at Ibrox and Parkhead, the clubs give their official attendance number to Britain’s national news agency, the Press Association.

The SPL and SFL obtain the attendances for all their matches from the Press Association to put on their websites.

But the figures released by the clubs count tens of thousands of season ticket holders who don’t turn up to matches.

The clubs also have to give an attendance figure to Strathclyde Police so the force can plan crowd control and staffing.

The number given to the police is a true reflection of the numbers at the match, as it is taken from the electronic turnstiles.

Only a small number of fans who don’t use turnstiles – such as hospitality guests and disabled supporters – will not be counted in this figure.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 16 March 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

green brigade in the news too http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-21813699

Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 16 March 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

Combination of shite defending and mad goalmouth stramashes
made for a great game today and you can't beat an injury time overhead kick winner.

Lots of problems at the back, I suppose that happens when your only natural centre hoff has a 'mare.

Habemus mundissimo ostentus nomen (onimo), Saturday, 16 March 2013 20:09 (thirteen years ago)

Am up north just now, picked a good afternoon to introduce my old man to the concept of live streaming. And now I know his full repertoire of insults for pish defenders. Happy bonding ensued.

ailsa, Saturday, 16 March 2013 22:25 (thirteen years ago)

He still inexplicably hates Samaras. He is wrong.

ailsa, Saturday, 16 March 2013 22:26 (thirteen years ago)

Well done St Mirren on wining the season's first trophy. Cracking final.

Habemus mundissimo ostentus nomen (onimo), Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:51 (thirteen years ago)

Some game. Well done saints.

sktsh, Sunday, 17 March 2013 17:10 (thirteen years ago)

Continuing my theme of being away for Celtic title parties, I can't even be home for vicarious coat-tail-riding with my pals for someone else's party. Well done, the buddies, nice to see a proper footballing team do well. I managed to happen upon a pub in Inverness with two Hearts fans getting increasingly more distraught. I may have played up my Paisley credentials somewhat :-p

ailsa, Monday, 18 March 2013 08:42 (thirteen years ago)

Danny Lennon to Chick Young

"I'm just happy for you Chick that one of your teams has won a major trophy."

Habemus mundissimo ostentus nomen (onimo), Monday, 18 March 2013 09:16 (thirteen years ago)

Lol

sktsh, Monday, 18 March 2013 10:48 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21899924

Sandaza issues come and get me plea to fake LA agent aka @TommyinGlasgow and gets himself suspended.

Habemus opiniones pro vobis (onimo), Friday, 22 March 2013 17:38 (thirteen years ago)

Aye, that's golden. Same dude that promised Craig Whyte a £10m cheque just before administration last year.

ailsa, Friday, 22 March 2013 18:07 (thirteen years ago)

Got a bit of sympathy for Sandaza here, even though the guy's clearly as dumb as a brick. Just seems a bit mean spirited.

michaellambert, Friday, 22 March 2013 18:33 (thirteen years ago)

Aye he's certainly the victim even if he did speak out of turn. Wonder if Chuck & Ally might be using this as an opportunity to get rid of an expensive misfit. He's already upset them with "Am I a Catholic? I’m not talking about that. Is it strange to play for a Protestant club? That is not something football should be concerned about. But on my first day I was advised not to cross myself before matches."

Habemus opiniones pro vobis (onimo), Friday, 22 March 2013 18:52 (thirteen years ago)

Lee McCulloch: fud

http://i46.tinypic.com/30tkx1w.gif

ailsa, Saturday, 23 March 2013 15:24 (thirteen years ago)

The Bino does kind of lead with the shoulder, a bit. A peach!

scotstvo, Saturday, 23 March 2013 16:46 (thirteen years ago)

Things I didn't know about Scottish footballers, pt 2030349: Kieran McAnespie used to be a cameraman on Babestation.

ailsa, Saturday, 23 March 2013 16:48 (thirteen years ago)

I'm just really laughing at the fact that they need to try and cheat to get a penalty at home to Stirling Albion.

ailsa, Saturday, 23 March 2013 16:48 (thirteen years ago)

Derek McInnes gets the shepherd gig

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21911117

Habemus opiniones pro vobis (onimo), Saturday, 23 March 2013 21:26 (thirteen years ago)

And Mark Burchill (yes, that Mark Burchill) gets the Livi gig.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21924658

ailsa, Monday, 25 March 2013 12:43 (thirteen years ago)

Mark Burchill eh? There's a blast from the past.

Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Monday, 25 March 2013 13:08 (thirteen years ago)

I'm off on holiday tomorrow, hope Dunfermline are still around when I get back. Every time* I leave the country a club (or is it a holding company) goes bust.

* OK, once.

ailsa, Monday, 25 March 2013 18:40 (thirteen years ago)

This is a decent wee blog from a Dunfermline fan, and approx 10000000000 times more accepting and realistic than any of the guff spouted when Rangers were in a similar situation. Acceptance of their fate, acknowledgement of their club's wrongdoings, and a realistic view of what could and should happen next.

http://www.scotzine.com/2013/03/dunfermline-blog-gavbusters/

ailsa, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 10:13 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21969624

14 years!

Habemus opiniones pro vobis (onimo), Friday, 29 March 2013 18:23 (thirteen years ago)

That was one hell of a display of crap refereeing at St Mirren Park today.

ailsa, Sunday, 31 March 2013 13:50 (thirteen years ago)


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