"The monkeys start to squeal, lie and create conspiracy plots" - Scottish Football 2012/13

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Yup. I don't agree with the proposal at all. Would the colt teams be restricted to only playing in the bottom tier, or second bottom tier, or whatever? Is that not a kick in the balls for other teams in the ceiling division, who may win promotion but only from 3rd place, being denied a title, however inconsequential it may be to fans of bigger clubs?

michaellambert, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 19:55 (thirteen years ago)

I am not in favour of play-offs to avoid relegation, they should be for promotion only.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 20:06 (thirteen years ago)

The idea is that they don't get promoted out of the bottom tier, I believe.

ailsa, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 20:16 (thirteen years ago)

Ok, still a bit of a shitter for teams who may like to have a bit of silverware for getting promoted from 3rd to 2nd.

michaellambert, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 00:24 (thirteen years ago)

No, I picked it up wrong, Longmuir explains it all:

"The colt team would be unable to be promoted to a division above if that colt teams 'parent' team were participating in that division, nor could they participate in any cup competition where the 'parent' club were participating."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21763900

So Sevcolts don't get to win the Ramsdens Cup then :)

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 09:21 (thirteen years ago)

Load of pish - dunno how this Longmuir cunt still has a job.

If the The Rangers first team can't beat Annan what exactly will their reserves do halt the decline in quality of Scottish league football?

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 12:25 (thirteen years ago)

do to halt

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 12:26 (thirteen years ago)

No-one thinks this is a good idea except Longmuir, aye? I mean, seriously, it's so fucking stupid on every level. What are the logistics? What happens if The Rangers get relegated to the 3rd, do Sevcolts get papped out, or could they pass each other on the way? They'll just drive more traffic into Celtic Park and the SportsDirectArena and away from the other clubs, aye? And presumably Coltic and Sevcolts could have their pick of the youngsters across Scotland, thus fecking the development (and subsequent market value) of all the other clubs' weans.

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 12:48 (thirteen years ago)

They'll just drive more traffic into Celtic Park and the SportsDirectArena and away from the other clubs, aye? And presumably Coltic and Sevcolts could have their pick of the youngsters across Scotland, thus fecking the development (and subsequent market value) of all the other clubs' weans.

and therefore more money for celtic and rangers. So i assume those clubs aren't against colt teams?

On another note its time games from parkhead and ibrox were shown on tv. Why should other clubs take a hit on gates and those 2 be protected.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:01 (thirteen years ago)

I dipped into the Rangers site to see if Traynor was advocating colt teams but can't find anything. Did discover this though:

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/opinion/item/3085-remember-sporting-integrity?

blogs clattered out by individuals who are no better than semi-literate.

This club, the biggest one in the country, were not invited...
We are then entitled to conclude that this club are not important

I know there's wiggle room with the "Blur: is/are shite" thing, but not when you're explicitly referring to the club in the singular. This are wrong to my semi-literate eyes.

Traynor's blogs are brilliant though - it's like he's finally been released to say what he wanted to all these years but had to conceal under a (very) thin (ok almost imperceptible) veneer of impartiality.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:02 (thirteen years ago)

Newly formed clubs dont usually get invited to things do they?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:05 (thirteen years ago)

and therefore more money for celtic and rangers. So i assume those clubs aren't against colt teams?

On another note its time games from parkhead and ibrox were shown on tv. Why should other clubs take a hit on gates and those 2 be protected.

for the past couple of years Celtic's "colts" have been playing in the NextGen series against the likes of Ajax, Barcelona, PSG and Arsenal - I can't see Neil Lennon thinking they'd be better off getting kicked upside down in the third division. however, if it is of financial benefit to any club they'd be stupid not to consider it.

More games broadcast from SportsDirect@Govanewco and Celtic Park would imo eventually mean other clubs taking a hit on TV money - they'd need to weigh the two up. I agree with the idea of showing more games from Celtic Park, even if it did hit attendances - because those tend to have the highest quality of football in the league the TV companies are attempting to showcase.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:11 (thirteen years ago)

the tv money is the same whether you have games shown or not according to Sc0tt Struth3rs

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:13 (thirteen years ago)

Tomorrows headlines? Celtic & Rangers to leave Scotland

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:15 (thirteen years ago)

Currently yes, but over time the old issue of exactly who was generating all the money would raise its head again. That's why I said "imo" and "eventually" - I wasn't quoting rules, I was speculating on a future you invented.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:16 (thirteen years ago)

I see no mention of Celtic in that article. Also it's about a summer invitation league in years between international tournaments and wouldn't involve anyone leaving anywhere.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:17 (thirteen years ago)

Would Hibs and Aberdeen or Motherwell or Dundee Utd etc get colt teams?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:18 (thirteen years ago)

onimo it was a joke.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:18 (thirteen years ago)

No-one is getting colt teams. It's a proposal put forward by one man whose jaiket should already be on a shaky peg and whose organisation will likely vanish under proposed league reformation. It's a last effort to make himself look relevant. It will be rightly kicked into touch.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:22 (thirteen years ago)

“The concept has been in place in both the Italian and Spanish leagues for over 20 seasons with Barcelona, Real Madrid and both Milan clubs having colt teams.

Pish, Milan clubs have never had this. This clown doesn't have a clue.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:22 (thirteen years ago)

the tv money is the same whether you have games shown or not according to Sc0tt Struth3rs

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:13 PM (38 minutes ago)

That's what I thought too, thus thinking it's mad one of our likely biggest gates of the season (vs Dundee Utd) has been moved from Sat 3pm to Mon 8pm.

michaellambert, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 13:56 (thirteen years ago)

Scheduling has been a joke this season, they've had three SPL games up against televised Champions League games and they keep televising SPL games at stupid times.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:06 (thirteen years ago)

its time games from parkhead and ibrox were shown on tv

They are.

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:11 (thirteen years ago)

yeah when they play each other

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:12 (thirteen years ago)

And when they play other people too. Rangers' home game next weekend is on ESPN.

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:19 (thirteen years ago)

The Rangers, sorry :(

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:20 (thirteen years ago)

Saturday 4 August, 2012
Celtic v Aberdeen - Sky Sports, 12.45pm
Sunday October 7
Celtic v Hearts, 12.45pm - Sky Sports
Sunday February 24, 2013
Celtic v Dundee - live on Sky Sports, 12.45pm

We'll probably get one post-split too, especially if there's a trophy being handed out.

Dundee have had two home games televised.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:53 (thirteen years ago)

Ross County have had one game televised.

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:54 (thirteen years ago)

Why should Celtic take a hit on gates and those two be protected?

Have fun with your (in complete) (onimo), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:54 (thirteen years ago)

the leagues imploding without rangers obviously. Still, nice to see tv has changed a bit this year.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:57 (thirteen years ago)

It's not changed at all. There's always been home games televised at Celtic Park and Ibrox against other teams outwith the two Glasgow teams (pre one of them being dead).

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 15:34 (thirteen years ago)

The only change is in the opposition that we're being televised against, and I think I'm right in saying that it's only in the last couple of years that we've had away games that haven't been televised (but this pre-dated Rangers' departure from the SPL so Saturday's game wasn't setting any precedent).

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 15:38 (thirteen years ago)

Dunfermline issued winding up order. Really hope they pull through.

sktsh, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:57 (thirteen years ago)

Haud on, ARE TO BE issued one. Sorry. Catching up on the day's news and jumped the gun. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/8562838/Dunfermline-are-to-be-issued-with-a-winding-up-order-from-HMRC

sktsh, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 21:59 (thirteen years ago)

Ach, Hearts get them every other week. Nae biggie *fingers crossed*

ailsa, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 22:45 (thirteen years ago)

Paw Broon finally decides he's had enough. Just googling to see when he was on the Clyde board, I've just found out that he's an author of a book about primary school teaching, and a past lecturer at Paisley Uni and has a degree in English and Geography.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21785178

ailsa, Thursday, 14 March 2013 11:36 (thirteen years ago)

nd a past lecturer at Paisley Uni

You mean Paisley College of Technology?

Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 March 2013 12:22 (thirteen years ago)

aye :) no' having any of that university of the west of scotland pish at any rate.

ailsa, Thursday, 14 March 2013 13:27 (thirteen years ago)

http://m.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers/rovers-rally-round-rivals-1-2837330

Turnbull Hutton otm again

"This is all about Longmuir getting into bed with Rangers, and we will be rebelling against it."

Habemus mundissimo ostentus nomen (onimo), Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:38 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic--rangers-attendances-up-1767244

CROWDS at Celtic and Rangers games this season have been up to 20,000 lower than the figures released to the public.

It goes some way to explaining the huge gaps in the stands when the clubs have been claiming near full-houses.

The number of supporters the clubs publicise as turning up to home SPL and Division Three matches is far larger than the true figure reported to police, official records show.

Fans used freedom of information laws to force Strathclyde Police to reveal the real number of supporters attending games at Ibrox and Parkhead.

We obtained the figures as they are now on public record.

Celtic publicised a figure of 49,428 on the SPL website for their game against Ross County at Parkhead in December – 20,497 more than the real attendance of 28,931.

And when Rangers played Queen’s Park at Ibrox in October, the attendance figure published on the Scottish Footbal League website was 49,463.

But the real number given to police was just 34,481 – a difference of 14,982.

The difference is understood to be made up mainly of season ticket holders counted as attending when they have not actually gone to the game.

Publishing the total number of tickets sold – including season ticket holders who haven’t made it to the game – rather than the number at the game is common among senior clubs.

Strathclyde Police ask the Old Firm and all the clubs in their force area for attendance figures to plan safe crowd control and to calculate how many police will need to attend games.

The only fans who aren’t counted are the small number in hospitality or others who don’t pass through the turnstiles such as disabled supporters.

In the 13 league games Celtic played between the start of the season and their game against Kilmarnock on January 30, the club reported an official gate of 597,391.

But over the same period the club have only reported a figure of 437,990 to
the police.

It means the publicised figure has been inflated by 159,401 – a 36 per cent increase.

So the average number of people at each game was 33,692 rather than 45,953.

Meanwhile, Rangers played 11 home league games in Division Three between the beginning of the season and January 30.

They publicised a total attendance figure of 515,250, while the figure reported to the police was just 407,909.

That’s a difference of 107,341 – a 26 per cent increase.

On average, the number of people going through the turnstiles was 37,083, rather than the claimed 46,841.

The publicised figures given by St Mirren, Motherwell and Kilmarnock for
matchday attendances at their grounds appeared to match the ones given to police.

A police spokeswoman said: “The figures are provided to the police by the football club and are taken from live data compiled by the electronic turnstiles management system from patrons entering the stadium.

“The figures do not include some corporate hospitality guests and those patrons who enter the stadium outwith the control of turnstile management.

“These figures are vital to ensure that there is effective queue management of spectators entering the stadium, to maintain spectator cross-flow around the stadium and to ensure that there is no critical overloading of any area of the stadium during ingress.

“The figures are also used as a baseline to effectively plan the resourcing of both stewards and police at future matches involving both clubs.”

The SPL confirmed that they take their attendance figures from the Press Association, who in turn receive them from the clubs.

A Celtic spokesman said: “Like many other British clubs, the figures we provide are total paid attendances between season books and matchday tickets.

“In addition the police figures do not include all corporate hospitality figures.”

A Rangers spokesperson said: “Our crowds are calculated on the number of tickets sold for each game, which we understand is common practice for the overwhelming majority of clubs in the country.”

The SPL and SFL both declined to comment.

After matches at Ibrox and Parkhead, the clubs give their official attendance number to Britain’s national news agency, the Press Association.

The SPL and SFL obtain the attendances for all their matches from the Press Association to put on their websites.

But the figures released by the clubs count tens of thousands of season ticket holders who don’t turn up to matches.

The clubs also have to give an attendance figure to Strathclyde Police so the force can plan crowd control and staffing.

The number given to the police is a true reflection of the numbers at the match, as it is taken from the electronic turnstiles.

Only a small number of fans who don’t use turnstiles – such as hospitality guests and disabled supporters – will not be counted in this figure.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 16 March 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

green brigade in the news too http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-21813699

Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 16 March 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

Combination of shite defending and mad goalmouth stramashes
made for a great game today and you can't beat an injury time overhead kick winner.

Lots of problems at the back, I suppose that happens when your only natural centre hoff has a 'mare.

Habemus mundissimo ostentus nomen (onimo), Saturday, 16 March 2013 20:09 (thirteen years ago)

Am up north just now, picked a good afternoon to introduce my old man to the concept of live streaming. And now I know his full repertoire of insults for pish defenders. Happy bonding ensued.

ailsa, Saturday, 16 March 2013 22:25 (thirteen years ago)

He still inexplicably hates Samaras. He is wrong.

ailsa, Saturday, 16 March 2013 22:26 (thirteen years ago)

Well done St Mirren on wining the season's first trophy. Cracking final.

Habemus mundissimo ostentus nomen (onimo), Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:51 (thirteen years ago)

Some game. Well done saints.

sktsh, Sunday, 17 March 2013 17:10 (thirteen years ago)

Continuing my theme of being away for Celtic title parties, I can't even be home for vicarious coat-tail-riding with my pals for someone else's party. Well done, the buddies, nice to see a proper footballing team do well. I managed to happen upon a pub in Inverness with two Hearts fans getting increasingly more distraught. I may have played up my Paisley credentials somewhat :-p

ailsa, Monday, 18 March 2013 08:42 (thirteen years ago)

Danny Lennon to Chick Young

"I'm just happy for you Chick that one of your teams has won a major trophy."

Habemus mundissimo ostentus nomen (onimo), Monday, 18 March 2013 09:16 (thirteen years ago)

Lol

sktsh, Monday, 18 March 2013 10:48 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21899924

Sandaza issues come and get me plea to fake LA agent aka @TommyinGlasgow and gets himself suspended.

Habemus opiniones pro vobis (onimo), Friday, 22 March 2013 17:38 (thirteen years ago)


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