Rangers Have gone into Administration

Not really, no. I think they'll continue to TRY to improve, bear in mind we're only a couple of years into a massive rebuilding strategy. We're not *that* comfortable domestically as it is (we do occasionally do stupid things like losing to teams at the arse end of the league and going out of the cup to lower league sides), and I'd like to hope that the league would get even more competitive as other teams have their eye on the prize of Europe.

those players will want to head to a better standard of league/one that pays more money. Its already not a level playing field, it will be even less of one if Rangers go.

Why do players play here at all, ffs? Let's shut the whole fucking thing down, eh? At least you're getting a shout at second place and CL qualifiers now? That looks more competitive in my book. The race for second already looks a whole lot more exciting than it was yesterday.

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(pfunkboy, REALLY? You'd rather lose the only marketable assets in the league and the vast majority of match-attending punters in your quest for this mystery TV fortune?)

why not? you're happy at losing one.
Losing Celtic would take us another place closer to CL wouldn't it? (lols at the thought of Accies ever getting near CL)

then again i dont really wish administration on anyone. My own club very nearly entered it and would have ceased to exist.
still. im gonna lol at Rangers now they have done.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/15/article-2101475-11BF7F5F000005DC-963_468x414.jpg

l-r pfunk, Wayne

i don't have a long face

why not? You'd be in a system free of financial doping for a start. Rangers have created this monster by defrauding the taxpayer and creating a false impression of the league, denying crucial revenue to other clubs and stunting their growth into the bargain. Celtic have done none of these things, so fuck knows why you want us out too.

SPL Chief Neil Doncaster speaking on 27th January about clubs gaining an unfair advantage by not paying their PAYE. What did he know?

http://soundcloud.com/celticresearch/neil-doncaster-competitive/s-vbVL6

ok
even leaving out all the sectarian baggage that comes with certain section of rangers & celtic.

The demise of the other most dominant team would lead to a closer league. Celtic can get 60,000 punters at each home game when successful, right? That's a huge advantage over all the other clubs. With that gone you have a bunch of clubs of a similar size competing for the SPL title, therefore a more competitive league with excitement.

but like i said, i wouldn't actually wish administration or liquidation on any club, not even Motherwell or Airdrie.

NewCo Crest

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5151/cheatsu.jpg

Celtic haven't regularly had 60,000 at home games for about five years. Average gate last season was around 45,000, I think.

Still about 30-35,000 more than the other SPL teams.

Yup. If Celtic end up, as many argue, losing punters because we don't have a Rangers to hate, and there aren't any Rangers buses leaving Dundee, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Falkirk, Greenock, etc. then maybe that gap will reduce.

That said, I don't think Celtic need apologise for having the most supporters.

yeah a huge advantage.
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no, they shouldn't. but if you argue you want a more competitive league, then removing the old firm gives you that is all im saying.

if you argue you want a more competitive league, then removing the old firm gives you that

I agree. But the reason for removing Rangers is that they are cheating and stealing and falsely inflating the quality of their team and that is something we should try to live without.

The reason for removing Celtic is that they're big and they might win. Not quite the same thing eh?

oh totally!

also i just cant see that many rangers fans just going to support other teams. A lot would just give up. Could you support another team if yours went bust?
Plus i dont fancy a bunch of morons with union jacks invading other clubs (yes i know some have them but thankfully Accies somehow steer clear of being a mini rangers/celtic)
of course a generation of kids growing up without rangers might then support their local clubs and without bring sectarian shit with them. But thats just a pipedream and a long time away even if it did happen.

pfunkboy, firstly stop chucking the sectarian strawman into a debate about financial doping and secondly, can you please give me just one legitimate reason why Celtic shouldn't be playing in the top tier of their own domestic league right now?

i didn't say there was. I just said that if there was to be a more competitive league you would need to remove the other dominant force. I didn't say they deserved to be kicked out for 'financial doping' or whatever.
Plus its a debate about scottish football right? not just 'financial doping'.
Otherwise we shouldn't be debating how rangers disappearing will affect scottish football in this thread.

and whether you like it or not, sectarianism exists in scottish football

Could you support another team if yours went bust?

Yes. 100%. I love football. I love taking my children to football. I may never have the same affection for that club as I did for Celtic but I would still pay to watch.

I believe someone on this thread already supports another team after their team "went bust".

but i totally understand not wanting to discuss sectarianism here so lets leave that out?
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would you go support morton then?
fair play to you
would that certain person go support another team? (im asking that person not anyone else)

Sectarianism is not exclusive to Celtic or Rangers. Or indeed to football.

Anyway, I thought we were on the "Rangers in adminstration" thread here and discussing the ramifications thereof and not any old flight of fancy. My bad.

xpost, yeah, guilty of supporting more than one time in my lifetime. And I'd probably still go and watch football without Celtic. Probably Clyde.

We've already got a generic Scottish football thread, btw.

i still think most Rangers fans would just end up supporting Chelsea or someone , watching it all on TV.

maybe we will get to find out.
I suppose the one thing that could keep rangers fans interested might be if someone like Hearts or Motherwell (Not Aberdeen - they hate them too much) could challenge Celtic for the title and then they could support them if they were beating Celtic. A kind of proxy rivalry.

from earlier this season, when Hearts were being hammered over unpaid wages:

Heart of Midlothian Football Club have, tonight, been charged by the Scottish Premier League under article A3.1 of the SPL’s rules, which states …

A3.1 In all matters and transactions relating to the League and Company each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the Company with the utmost good faith.

When your £9m of unpaid tax exceeds the turnover of more than half of your member clubs I think you might be acting in bad faith. I'm sure the SPL will be right on this, given Doncaster's statement in January.

Plus its a debate about scottish football right? not just 'financial doping'.
Otherwise we shouldn't be debating how rangers disappearing will affect scottish football in this thread.

The imminent disappearance of Rangers is as a result of financial doping, btw, I'm not sure how to avoid that in this thread? We're all debating the ramifications of Rangers going as that's an imminent possibility. Hypothesising about things that *aren't* going to happen seems unnecessarily complicated iyam.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'd better do some work to pay some taxes to keep the country afloat.

you're a true patriot ;)

I know a fair number of Rangers supporters and of them, the majority would have no trouble in supporting their "second" team if Rangers go fut - my sis being a case in point. Of course, it may be that these people are a tiny, unrepresentative minority (and they might be - the majority of them are from the West Highlands/Western Isles) but, y'know, the entire Rangers supporters diaspora won't fart off into SkySportsaholicism.

would you go support morton then?

Newer!!!!!!!! St. Mirren till I die. There's always Linfield for a lot of Rangers fans.

Ferry service between Larne and Stranraer might have to prepare for tough times ahead

The imminent disappearance of Rangers is as a result of financial doping, btw

That "if" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

Well yes. The point its making is that financial doping (cf Man City) is distinct from financial mismanagement and conflating the two results in underlying the whole discussion with the implication that Celtic would have won more trophies but for the financial management of Rangers. Which to my mind isnt really in point.

That "if" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

Not quite as much work as you're doing to draw distinctions between your club and Rangers. As much as it may upset you, many Scottish football fans would be just as happy for this to happen to either (or both) of the old firm clubs. Just as you are taking glee in Rangers' fate.

Before another few paragraphs are typed out, I don't need it explained to me that Celtic aren't the ones guilty of 'doping' - there just seems to be a lack of awareness that Celtic aren't exactly held in much higher regard.

I'll bet they aren't

this is fuck all to do with what regard cunts hold clubs in.i hold most scottish clubs in pretty low esteem,who gives a fuck?it's to do with the reality that rangers are a toxic club,that make a mockery of football in this country being a sport by their tax dodging and overspending.

and if they get out of this mess without paying most of what they owe,and just start a newco and get immediately put back in the spl then fuck scottish football.

This is true and tbh I have more respect for the rest of Scottish league if they teams weren't so uniformly SHITE, get it together you useless twunts! (xp)

hey tom im sure if Celtic agreed to share all the money from turnstiles/season tickets etc with everyone in Scotland and everybody had the same budgets each season then they could (note to everybody , im not suggesting they do so no need to rant "why should celtic....")

im sure if Celtic agreed to share all the money from turnstiles/season tickets etc with everyone in Scotland and everybody had the same budgets each season then they could

pfunk sometime you post the most ridiculous things

please note: I have made no personal reference to any substances you may or may not be smoking in abundance in dens

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/scottish-premier/dunfermline/297706-dunfermline-do-not-expect-payment-from-rangers/

you've totally fucked us but we're sorry you're having a hard time.

Tax evasion is just bad management and we should consider football communism. Blimey.

onimo you really shouldnt take clearly jokey comments so seriously. but choose what you want to see on you go

and you too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yorkston
"Yorkston, a lifelong fan of the club and keen wharler"

What is a wharler?

anyway im sure you would much respond to what calumerio and CraigG posted rather than a jokey comment so i wont interrupt you

you forgot your smiley face again pfunk - you need that separate the jokey ridiculous comments from the serious ridiculous comments

Dude, you wholeheartedly believe Brian Dempsey orchestrated the Record's coverage of Celtic's near collapse. We're through the looking glass here.