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Number None, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/18/article-2088046-0F829DE400000578-915_468x312.jpg

Chelsea have signed three brothers from the Luton youth squad for a five-figure sum each.

Twins Rio and Cole Dasilva, 12, as well as 13-year-old sibling Jay have joined the Chelsea academy after five years at Luton.

mizzell, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

fuckin rio fuckin cole wtf

(govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link

Rio, Cole and Jay Dasilva: proper made-up footballer names tbh

ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

not a specific player but

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/sports/soccer/soccers-all-year-model-forces-high-school-players-to-choose.html

this is big news in the states, given the sheer number of kids playing the game

dan m, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link

That's interesting. It accords with my own diagnosis that I've banged on about here before, that the US basically doesn't work hard enough at sport, and when it does work hard it does so completely haphazardly. Which is fine where you're the dominant league, competing only with yourself or maybe internationally with Lithuania or the Dominican Republic; but it's not a competitive approach for soccer.

The thing is that the American approach to sports in general looks far more attractive, sitting here, so in one sense this is a shame, a professional career replacing a college education as the aspiration. On the other hand, how good might Landon Donovan have been if he'd been hothoused? Where might Clint Dempsey be now?

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 09:24 (twelve years ago) link

“It’s awkward,” Enna said. “You look at LeBron James — he played for his high school and went pro. Why do we have to give it up?”

The opposition to this seems to half think that these kids are going to drop out of school? Whereas it just amounts to a v. well run after/out-of-school class, like getting high grade guitar lessons from a specialist guitar teacher.

Also it is great pointing to the likes of LeBron in the article but you have to wonder how many great atheletes America has missed out on by connecting it so severely with the education system, one that most critics could point to a Wire S4-esque situation of failure for a lot of kids.

I just read The Art of Fielding and ok, it is purposefully a literary novel about smart people but it makes it seem like half a college baseball team is working off genius. Whereas if I offered half a professional football team in this country that 500 page novel - about sports - to read, they'd look at me like i was asking them to do quantum physics. While it seems like European football is too busy preparing youngsters of potential to become footballers and nothing else, America doesn't seem to prepare them to become footballers unless they do it themselves, too busy going to college and whatever. A middle ground is needed.

Considering the CRAZY figure of how many people play football in America, it should produce more than 2 players worth exporting a year. I wonder how much of this failure is based on it being the 5th most popular sport. If basketball had such a worldwide hysteria and similar training systems, would America be as dominant as it is today? Or would they just bow their heads, understand they need to do it what is increasingly being called the 'Stoke City' method?

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 10:34 (twelve years ago) link

For advocates of the previous system, however — in which the Development Academy’s schedule typically broke for the scholastic season and players were free to join their school squads — the sacrifices required by this shift are too great. Dan Woog, the boys soccer coach at Staples High School in Westport, Conn., recalled the night his team won a league championship several years ago and a group of players showed up at a diner afterward with their championship medals around their necks.

Suddenly, the other customers in the diner — a majority of them Westport residents — stood up and spontaneously gave the players a standing ovation. The players beamed.

“They’re going to remember that the rest of their lives,” Woog said. “They felt like kings. That’s not going to happen in the academy.”

No, if they go to the academy they will be properly trained atheletes going for worldwide prestige, untold millions and the opportunity to become Americas first true soccer star. But you know, that one time as a teenager...

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 10:38 (twelve years ago) link

the point is the current system is rooted in communities and it allows a bunch of kids who have no chance of becoming professionals to be in the spotlight for a while.
doesn't matter how many kids play soccer, without a culture in the usa that follows and obsesses over it, i don't think it will produce great players. so many american players are immigrants or the children of immigrants and therefore have exposure to a soccer-obsessed culture.
interesting to read foreign opinions on us sport culture, but i have never thought that americans don't work hard enough on sports and i am pretty sure the art of fielding has absolutely noting to do with actual baseball.

mizzell, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

also don't believe for a second that usa wouldn't dominate in basketball if other countries were crazy for it. more likely (to me) that usa would dominate soccer if it was the most popular sport here.

mizzell, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago) link

well yeah it doesnt seem like it even cares to be an accurate baseball novel. good read tho.

even now america most probably has enough people in it that obsess over football as a midsized european country albeit spread out over a landmass the size of Europe. If Portugal or Denmark or Croatia can produce the likes of Suker or the Laudrups or Figo, I don't think America are pulling their weight for their current soccer-culture, let alone American sporting culture.

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

Can't wait til China puts together an uber-team to put the NBA in its place

Number None, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link

also don't believe for a second that usa wouldn't dominate in basketball if other countries were crazy for it. more likely (to me) that usa would dominate soccer if it was the most popular sport here.

― mizzell, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:43 (4 minutes ago)

This was regarding how they develop, fyi. In Brazil or Spain their college equiv. would be playing professionally and against the best, possibly at an international level for the three years someone would be at college learning Media Studies. It justs seems odd that you wouldn't encourage talented atheletes to be schooled to enhance their abilities the same way there are performing arts schools etc.

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

trust me, the most talented atheletes spend plenty of time getting coached and practicing in their college years. much much less time spent studying.

mizzell, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:56 (twelve years ago) link

oh i dont doubt that

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

not exactly ahead of the game here as he's 17 and has already been spotted by a few bigger clubs and trained with Liverpool but this lad Joel Pohjanpalo is worth watching - a perfect hat-trick in two minutes in only his second senior game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibHRquIsXkg

we are not bemused (onimo), Thursday, 19 April 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

There's a kid who's obviously got it imo. Nice to see some domestic Finnish footy too. Feel for these journeyman pros though tbh, suddenly reduced to fodder for this child on his way to bigger things.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 19 April 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

if ever he gets fat and useless, big joel pohjanpalo would be a great name for a big

i think the only suomi fitba ive seen was that clip from when roy hodgson was manager of their national team and an owl landed on the pitch

30th best league in Europe, apparently. Jari Litmanen's still going!

Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

great 'when showboating goes wrong' example at the start of that vid.

kid steel (cajunsunday), Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

yes, and the failed showboater could maybe have stood in front of the free kick or covered the unmarked guy who crosses for the goal

we are not bemused (onimo), Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

perkele!

Silky Slim (dan m), Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link

also recently found out a friend's husband was once a gk in the finnish 2nd division. semi-pro team but sounded like a hell of a good time from his stories.

Silky Slim (dan m), Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

i sort of want to ask tuomas if he has heard of jari litmanen

two months pass...

AC Milan have paid over €500,000 for 14-year-old Hachim Mastour, according to Gazzetta dello Sport.

The attacking midfielder is reported to have been brought to the Italian giants’ attention by former San Siro manager Arrigo Sacchi.

The move from Reggiana has been confirmed by his agent Dario Paolillo, and the Serie A side’s vice-president, Adriano Galliani, believes the youngster needs to mature in a pressure-free environment.

Galliani went on record to say: “Mastour seems to have great qualities, but let’s not put too much pressure on him. Mastour is 14 years old. He's the future. But he’s still just a kid.”

According to reports, Milan have beaten Barcelona, Real Madrid and Inter to the youngster's signature.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

Full name Adryan Oliveira Tavares
Date of birth October 8, 1994 (age 17)

Scored a nice goal on his senior club debut last week. This video shows him mostly at the U-17 World Cup I think. To quote Ismael, "a kid who's obviously got it imo."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRZA4M-3Vio

boxall, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

THIS talented Irish player is set to take the football world by storm — after signing for Barcelona FC.

Zak Gilsenan, nine, from Castleknock, Dublin, has been snapped up by the Spanish giants after wowing scouts when he scored SEVEN goals in a trial.

The schoolboy saw off 400 other starlets to seal a place at the FCBEscola football academy — which has produced such famous stars as Xavi, Iniesta and Zak’s favourite player Lionel Messi.

Dad Stephen Gilsenan said the whole family will now up sticks and move to Spain to help the midfield ace follow his dream.

Stephen told the Irish Sun: “We were living in Australia when Zak was spotted by Spurs, who were running football camps over there.

Proud dad ... Stephen with Barcelona bound Zak
“We came home with the intention of letting Zak go to Spurs, but in the meantime we had a call from Barcelona. One of their former players saw him playing in Oz and recommended him to Barca.

“They offered Zak a trial in May and it was a great experience. It consisted of over 400 boys from all over the world. He was asked back in June when it was cut down to 90.

“Then in a match between the top 16 players, Zak just ran riot and scored seven goals. He was phenomenal. Then we heard back two weeks ago and they offered him a spot.”

Zak will be joined in Spain by Stephen, mum Claudia, brother Jamie and actress sister Danielle.

He will now come face-to-face with Ireland’s Galactico — Mayo lad John Joe Patrick Finn. In May we revealed how the youngster, whose dad is from Ballyhaunis, signed for the other Spanish giants, Real Madrid.

Seven goals ... Zak
Mining company worker Stephen said: “I know Zak is young to be doing this but kids are like a sponge at this age.

“People say we are mad but in Barcelona he will be educated in the best footballing techniques.

“All we can do is go and see how it develops. We know it’s ruthless over there. We don’t want him turned into a machine, we just want him to enjoy it. It’s his dream to play for Ireland.”

Number None, Monday, 16 July 2012 10:47 (eleven years ago) link

estimate percent chance zak gilsenan displaces paul mcshane from the left wing position prior to ireland's 3-0 loss to macedonia in the 2022 world cup qualifiers

nakhchivan, Monday, 16 July 2012 10:55 (eleven years ago) link

Then in a match between the top 16 players, Zak just ran riot and scored seven goals

Hm, I can't help picturing a father who can't believe his luck. If Zak were really all that he'd be all blasé, talking about workrate and stuff, not about how he thought the third wheel looked like it was going to be a lemon but then it clicked onto a cherry and I'd like to thank me mam, barcelona and god.

Zak's the new Jon Chard imo.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 16 July 2012 10:57 (eleven years ago) link

he's got the hair of a Barcelona youth

http://www.balls.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/zak.png

Number None, Monday, 16 July 2012 10:59 (eleven years ago) link

telltale irish complexion and football skills tho

nakhchivan, Monday, 16 July 2012 11:00 (eleven years ago) link

odds on trapp wondering if he can call him up today (messi already disproving the 'too small for the big time' theory)

You must be thinking of some other Trap. Check out the other kid mentioned in the article though. Might end up playing for Spain but it'd probably be worth it to have someone called John Joe Patrick Finn winning the World Cup

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01500/SNE0207B--5322_1500751a.jpg

Number None, Monday, 16 July 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link

judging by that pic he will be a boring defensive midfielder who will nonetheless win the world cup and the european championships before marrying a supermodel

text:gabbneb AND displayName:gabbneb (nakhchivan), Monday, 16 July 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

JJ Patrick Finn and young Gilsenan should provide Robbie Keane the service he needs come 2022.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 07:12 (eleven years ago) link

signs on the lads their folks moved off foreign, else they'd be getting the shite horsed out of them at minor gaa matches before deciding they'd rather take up accountancy

starfish entryprize (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 11:10 (eleven years ago) link

is that your secret origin

Number None, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 11:18 (eleven years ago) link

that was the fuckin high point, tbh

starfish entryprize (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 11:32 (eleven years ago) link

Chelsea now going to buy Eden's little brother, Thorgan.

mizzell, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 13:42 (eleven years ago) link

Disappointed. I was hoping he was called 'Water' tbh.

pandemic, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link

signs on the lads their folks moved off foreign, else they'd be getting the shite horsed out of them at minor gaa matches

dublin u-9 football champion, 1991. official gaa medal and all.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link

i played u-11 hurling for donegal, which may well be the lowest level at which one can partake in said sport tbrr

starfish entryprize (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link

I'm still only 30 btw

skrill xx (cozen), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link

sayin'

skrill xx (cozen), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link

That Liverpool fan's top 100 youths list is enjoyable.

19. Baldo Di Gregorio (CB, Eintract Frankfurt)
20. Andres Iniesta (AM, Barcelona)

Baldo (great name for a centre-back btw) is currently playing for Gostaresh Foolad in the Iranian second division.

boxall, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=DThjb_XyyoU

skrill xx (cozen), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

No mention of Foday Nabay here.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7913738/City-target-talented-teen

you can't stream a pancake (onimo), Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link

Heh heh: Islam Feruz gets stroppy, has twitter account deleted. I think that's a first for one of our prodigies.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link


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