didn't england beat argentina in the group in 02?
Beckham pen right up the middle
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
worst penalty i've ever seen that actually went in! 02 game vs argentina never struck me as a particularly good performance. decent enough but really not inspiring.
for a really good england wc group game performance i think you have to go all the way back to colombia in 98.
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that was a perf tbf, but colombia were no arg.
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
Heskey scored in the 3-0 victory over Denmark, iIrc
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
beckham unleashed by hoddle, who's management of him throughout was a shambles
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
arg weren't that great either tho dmac!
frankly i'm surprised and appalled nobody here remembered it was the 25th anniversary of this last week
http://ih3.redbubble.net/work.1163688.2.flat,550x550,075,f.hand-of-god.jpg
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
there was a horrible Radio 5 programme about it with Butcher and three or four others talking in front of a live audience and being hilariously bitter about it still
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
arg 02 weren't bad iirc, it was a pressure game.
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah there was some brilliant defending from Campbell/Ferdinand in particular
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
england were excellent against argentina in 98, imo. was there a disallowed goal in that game too? campbell?
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
oh that rings a bell. yes England were definitely on top of that game until Becks had his moment
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
england/argentina '98 I remember liking a lot excpet for Simeoni/Becks BS.
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
they weren't bad but they were by no means better than england (on pitch or on paper) at that point. they couldn't beat Sweden when they needed to (either).
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
yeah campbell had a great header disallowed due to reflex thuggishness from shearer
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
Hoddle maybe should have subbed Owen on sooner, tho
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
sweden p sweet btw in 98
What was the result against Eng? 1-1? Or was that Nigeria and Swe/Eng was 0-0?
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
No, thinking '02...
stats from eng-arg 02 fwiw
Argentina EnglandCorners (1st half) 2 : 2Corners (2nd half) 7 : 1Fouls committed 21 : 20Caught offside 5 : 2Shots on target 5 : 8Shots off target 7 : 7Hit woodwork (back into play) 0 : 1Yellow cards 1 : 2Red cards 0 : 0
no possession annoyingly, i'm sure arg had a fair bit more of it tho (esp. in england's half)
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
owen started against argentina didn't he? he was only subbed on at the beginning of that campaign...
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i thought Owen started in that match, his career-defining goal was in the first half i'm sure
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
Hoddle was weird about Owen, but then Keegan was even weirder :(
do you mean 02? they didn't make it to 98 thanks to...oh i forget.
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Just watched highlights of Eng-Arg 98. Most shocking moment: seeing Paul Merson running up to take penalty. Like, what was that buffoon doing allowed near a world cup? I forget he was actually really good, now I just bracket him with Steve Claridge.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
oh that's cold
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
ah sure who knows rly
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, all the goals were in the first half.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
ha ha really no memory of merson at wc98. mind boggles. i will always remember him being england's best player on the night they went to shit in rotterdam (nov 93) not that it meant owt.
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
Time of Possession 65% 35% (Arg Eng) in 2002
According to http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas2000-10/2001-02/M0792Arg2002.html
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
that feels about right but you need to experience the acid gnawing thru yr stomach to fully feel that match
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
That doesn't tell the whole story though - it was backs-to-the-wall but also somehow comfortable, Argentina were never going to score that day.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
simeone's goal was classy too.
my memory of the game was that it was fairly even. don't remember argentina bossing it even after becks was sent off. don't know if this is heresy as an irishman but i would really really like england to be good again someday, and to win a world cup.
x-post otm...
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
it was backs-to-the-wall but also somehow comfortable
I remember feeling happy for Becks but otherwsie thought the game somewhat dull.
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
don't know if this is heresy as an irishman but i would really really like england to be good again someday, and to win a world cup.
REPREHENSIBLE.
― Introducing the Hardline According to (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
DID WOLFE TONE DIE FOR THIS??
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
it was backs-to-the-wall but also somehow comfortable, Argentina were never going to score that day.
i agree i guess...nowhere near as stressful as the 98 game where they felt much more a constant threat.
just really dreading the complaints about tiredness next summer now. was forlan fucking tired last summer? schneider? iniesta? even with a midwinter break (which i do support) they still played as many games as most of the england squad. got to stop making the excuses that affect everyone.
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
The English players run about more y'see
― Number None, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah chasing the facking ball
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
yes definitely. i defended it at the time on a 'needs must' basis. just winning any which way was so important.
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
don't know if this is heresy as an irishman but i would really really like england to be good again someday
I've kind of given up on England but man that game in '02 between Ireland and Germany was exciting.
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
Replace the ENGLAND MANAGER with a 'selection panel' made up of Gareth Southgate, Lee Dixon and Trevor Brooking.
― Smells like a geography book (Chris), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
but then who would hype the lads up pre-match with a stirring monologue on Agincourt, El Alamein and Enoch Powell?
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
The other thing I remember about '02 was that England went out against the winners and they even scored first, well, that and the Seaman jokes.
― in an arrangement that mimics idiocy (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
ireland were woeful against germany tho
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
highly deserved equaliser
― blueski, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
nicky barmby and all that, was that 98?
Better players throughout squad then, i think.
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
kills me that england will bypass huddlestone without ever even wondering why.
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
Owen scored and then I had to go to work. I was so sure England were going to win, they were so effective and lucky in them days, and then win the tournament too. I was genuinely dumbfounded later when I saw what happened while I was stuck on the tube.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
That's v Brazil in 02, breakfast kickoffs & all that.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
lol work jesus what were you 12
― Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link