Just give it to the guy most sure of his place and who doesn't mind having to front up to the press every game
Haha thing is that's probably Terry.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
What about a rolling captaincy where everybody gets a turn except Terry?
― a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
god knows what the press are gonna moan about when their mate 'arry gets the job.
― territory of the magic wand (Chris), Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:11 PM
hopefully he performs as well for england as he's done for us, then he won't have to. media relations are only really a big deal when you're fucking things up in your actual primary job as a football manager.
― the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
it is gonna be redknapp btw innit?
― territory of the magic wand (Chris), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
will he get hired if his legal issues aren't cleared up?
― mizzell, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Well since he's totally innocent of the charge the Inland Revenue has brought against him and has never been involved in any dodgy deals in his life and lives in a hermitage with his Mrs and his dog I'm sure he'll be acquitted in court and free to take up the post, yeah.
― a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah
― the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
He'll need to do better for England than he's so far done for us. As it is he's a quarter-finals kinda manager and that's not been enough to save England managers in the past. England playing decent football would help though.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at the idea that anyone stays a media darling when they become england manager
― Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^
― kuyty on a mission (pandemic), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/31/football-association-david-conn-gareth-southgate
― Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 31 March 2011 09:25 (thirteen years ago) link
We played so many teams who could keep the ball better, their technique was better. Other players in the teams I played in acknowledged that; everybody recognised it.
I know that, you know that, everybody knows that - but I'm still surprised that the players know it. No wonder they lose against every decent side they play, if mentally they're half-beaten before they make it onto the pitch (and can't keep the ball, obviously).
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 31 March 2011 11:48 (thirteen years ago) link
"English type of player" is shorthand for "big, aggressive, shit", right?
― a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 31 March 2011 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that sort of sentiment is common enough from the likes of brooking, yet 'big, aggressive shit' has an inertial force like none other
£35m for the world's best championship centre forward
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 31 March 2011 11:52 (thirteen years ago) link
HE'S GOT AN INTERNATIONAL GOAL HE IS INTERNATIONAL CLASS OBV
― a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 31 March 2011 11:53 (thirteen years ago) link
you missed 'end of'
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 31 March 2011 11:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I like Gareth Southgate, but he has the kind of refreshingly honest approach that will probably see him torn to pieces by fans and the media.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 31 March 2011 11:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Damn I am gonna incorporate more "end of" from now on
― a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 31 March 2011 11:55 (thirteen years ago) link
OhjoeyjoeyKopite Join Date: Sep 2008Posts: 221Ohjoeyjoey is a splendid one to beholdOhjoeyjoey is a splendid one to beholdOhjoeyjoey is a splendid one to beholdOhjoeyjoey is a splendid one to beholdOhjoeyjoey is a splendid one to beholdOhjoeyjoey is a splendid one to beholdCrest Big Andy Carroll(to the tune of "Roll Out The Barrell)
Big Andy Carroll,He's gonna score in the redBig Andy Carroll,Scores with his feet or his headWho is Fernando?That's what the Kopites will singAll stand up for big Andy CarrollAndy is our King.
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 31 March 2011 11:57 (thirteen years ago) link
anthony stoked for the madness of carroll's lfc career, dude is gonna pwn hard umo
― the salmon of procrastination (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:03 (thirteen years ago) link
umo will be devastated to lose his 'hard' soubriquet
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:06 (thirteen years ago) link
uruguays mickey owen?
― the salmon of procrastination (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:07 (thirteen years ago) link
oic
Amazing - just walked past Andy Gray on hungerford bridge, talking into his mobile, and I promise you, absolutely no word of a lie, the only word I caught was 'sexist'.
I know it's not the right thread but it was too fun not to post and it did seem pretty tragic.
― GamalielRatsey, Thursday, 31 March 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
superb
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 31 March 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
tho I am now worried I saw him and projected onto some "elephant shoe" formation.
― GamalielRatsey, Thursday, 31 March 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
no comment, but wow
― the salmon of procrastination (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 March 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
what a hit son, what a hit.
― territory of the magic wand (Chris), Thursday, 31 March 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I love this miserable bastard
Newcastle United's Joey Barton has said England will "never win" the World Cup, and dismissed Gareth Barry's role in the midfield as evidence of a lack of talent.
"France killed us at Wembley," Barton said. "We English will play the next 50 World Cups and we'll never win one. The people in charge at the FA played football maybe 50 or 60 years ago and still think that we can win a World Cup in the same way we did in 1966.
"We're too focused on tradition in England, like always having to play 4-4-2. Sometimes you need to experiment, drop a bit deeper so you have more space to move into. France, Italy and Germany have done it. We've been doing the same thing for 20 years," he added in an interview with the French So Foot magazine.
Barton won just one England cap, in 2007 against Spain, but still believes he has a role to play in Fabio Capello's team: "Honestly, I think I'm the best (English midfielder). Luka Modric and Samir Nasri are very good, but in terms of English players ... Well, Jack Wilshere isn't bad, but Frank Lampard's on the way down and Steven Gerrard's been injured a lot."
He backed this argument, with criticism of Gareth Barry: "Did you see the game against Germany at the World Cup? If you watch the fourth goal, when (Mesut) Ozil was up against Barry, it was like the hare and the tortoise.
"Barry's got a very good agent. He's also discreet and always agrees with the manager. He's like the guy who sits in the front row and listens http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/07/joey-barton-england-world-cup
― mizzell, Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
"it was like the hare and the tortoise."
I don't think he read the end of this book.
― Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
loving Joey Barton doesn't even feel wrong any more
nonxp ha!
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Barry really got the best of Ozil when they swapped shirts at the end tho.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
He's also discreet and always agrees with the manager.
Little known fact: Barton's house is strewn with really lovely lace doilies.
― Si tu parles, tu meurs. Si tu te tais, tu meurs. Alors, dis et (Michael White), Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzXqf_YNyd4
every time some article about english teams needing to learn how to keep the ball like barca crops up (as with lacey on the graun blog today) i think of this goal
― r|t|c, Saturday, 9 April 2011 09:55 (thirteen years ago) link
some good fundamentals there
― cockroach shakespeare (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 April 2011 10:01 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL2lgP7XcLI
― territory of the magic wand (Chris), Saturday, 9 April 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
joe hart rip
― harlan, Saturday, 4 June 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Nah. Deflection for the first one, Milner at fault for the second
― Number None, Saturday, 4 June 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIAbvlMHt3o
― Chris, Saturday, 11 June 2011 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Says it all really
― Number None, Saturday, 11 June 2011 13:14 (thirteen years ago) link
"The team that defends the best I guarantee will win this game."
― Chris, Saturday, 11 June 2011 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link
"Ok here comes the the ball, oh wait i've only got two touches, ohshitoshit" *hoof*
― Number None, Saturday, 11 June 2011 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
So England 2 touch passing practice is actually just shooting practice. Sigh.
― pandemic, Saturday, 11 June 2011 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Even more worrying is that the FA don't seem to see the problem here and that they're happy to upload this shit to Youtube. Unless they totally get it and it's a cunning plan designed to draw attention to the deficiencies of English football. Granted it's been edited, but still.
― Chris, Saturday, 11 June 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i was involuntarily drawn to mutter "oh you fucking twats" halfway thru the vid
― aka best bum of the o_O's (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 June 2011 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Option 3: the FA proving it's listening by not making young players play a 90-minute game on a full-size pitch.
― William Bloody Swygart, Saturday, 11 June 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
q. Gareth Southgate: "In 11-a-side matches there are fewer touches for players. If we go to that format too young, then it becomes much more of an athletic-based game – we have huge pitches that kids can't get around. It benefits the physically stronger players but there's a real danger that we lose the smaller, more technically gifted ones. There is a high drop-out of players in that nature."
madness I say.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 11 June 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I was thinking about starting a thread for this but I guess this is appropriate as any.
Spain have an obvious style of play that goes through the ages (the 'technique is king' aka the Xavi). Germany seem to have spent the past five years doing something similar (the direct + fast + technical ability + organisation aka the Ronaldo). Italy have seemingly always done this (the 'go one up and defend like a bastard' aka the anyone involved in Italian football not named Cassano from the past thirty years). France, Holland, Brazil and Argentina - basically the other BIG footballing nations have been lucky enough to have exceptional talents* but they look as though they are trailing behind Germany and Spain due to disorganisation and no real unity of tactical ideas.
But why are we not looking to create an English 'style' or understanding? Southgate and co have been talking about Barcelona which is fine but where is the bigger picture? If we are copying a style that Cryuff starting working on 20 years ago, we are always going to be 20 years behind. English football does have many great and defining characteristics, much like Italian and German football that should be worked on as well as technique.
This u21 team is all fast, strong, taller and full of stamina. Yet our closing down is laboured, some players are trying everywhere, some stand still. We are a faster, a side based on athletisicm instead of the Spanish skill to pass through us - so why are we playing so deep? If we could push them back into their own half with a high line, we'd have to rely on less long balls, while having fast and tall defenders to deal with what they try to get through or over that high line. Our passing technique isn't great so why keep it in the middle? And when we are going down the wings we have been more effective at getting closer to their box but the midfield aren't looking to get into the box for headers or passes - again if we pushed the defence up they wouldn't have to be so worried about keeping that space.
The improvement of the country's collective touch and pass technique is not going to improve over night but the tactical approach can. And then if you get that technique to work with a system already highlighting and integrating understood national strengths, we'd be doing so much better.
*Of course we need to catch up here too.
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I should have also added that we do seem to create smart centre halves at the top level. Terry is pretty slow but you never notice it because he's always in the right place. Smalling also looks pretty smart and Rio's positioning is spot on most of the time. They are usually incredibly hard to pass through, whether they have a high line or sit deep.
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
your collective footballing outlook is mistrust of systems and percentages, and funnels respect more towards the moment of inspiration/brilliance rising from the mire of incompetence.
Your fans complain when centre halves and deeplying midfielders play it amongst themselves
The consistency of performance/touch/whatever from even your top players is alarmingly below the top spanish, dutch, german etc players
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 June 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link