Shooting video with DSLRs

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I currently shoot on an ancient mini-DV thing which is awful, and a rental Sony EX3 when I can get it. I have a digicam and a film SLR. Seems like the Panasonic GH1 is the future for people with needs like mine: a solid stills SLR and pretty much broadcast (if not cinema) quality video footage in one unit.

So, have any of you guys got any experience shooting video with DSLRs

caek, Saturday, 29 August 2009 17:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

Considering how impractical and delicate something like the RED is (not to say how much more it costs), I was v. impressed by how well the GH1 footage compared here: http://vimeo.com/5981422

caek, Saturday, 29 August 2009 17:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

Also this with a faster-than-stock lens: http://vimeo.com/5262224

caek, Saturday, 29 August 2009 17:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

And this is one which isn't a bunch of indie dorks in a city at night: http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/12/panasonic-lumix-gh1-in-joshua-tree-and-pl-lenses/

caek, Saturday, 29 August 2009 17:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

Good intro review for stills people: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/gh1.shtml

caek, Saturday, 29 August 2009 17:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've been shooting some video with my E-P1 with a manual focus lens. the hardest thing I've found is to change the focus reliably. I don't know anything about shooting video, though, so I'm just pretty happy at being able to make 720p files straight from the cam with pretty good quality...

tony dayo (dyao), Sunday, 30 August 2009 02:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

glad you're having fun! manual focus is tough. if you're shooting action handheld with non-mark-hitting subjects it's next to impossible with an small camera (i.e. a DSLR), which is why the AF on the GH1 is such a game changer, i think.

caek, Sunday, 30 August 2009 02:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

My god I was born five years too early. This stuff would have come out when I was still in film school, I would have shot so, sooooooo much more.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Sunday, 30 August 2009 06:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

i have never shot video with a DSLR, though i would like to one day. but it seems like there would be some slightly annoying things about it, like not having an onboard mic.

i highly recommend the canon hv20. the hv30 is out there but you can get the '20 for cheaper and it's pretty much the same thing. very good easy to use hdv camera.

rice dr?m (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 August 2009 18:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

oh i see there's an hv40 out too. which should make 20s even cheaper. doesn't like that different either.

rice dr?m (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 August 2009 18:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

the hv20's video is really slick-looking! i appeared in an acquaintance's movie a couple years ago and it was shot on that.

crappy, use her name (latebloomer), Sunday, 30 August 2009 19:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

DSLRs do have onboard mics. They tend to suck a little though (like the onboard mics on DV videocams, I imagine). e.g. Canon 5D is mono. GH1 is stereo but noise from the AF motors can be a problem (except, apparently with the stock lens, which is super quiet). For my purposes I would want to use a boom mic anyway so this is not necessarily a big deal.

Thing that puts me off things like the HV series is the fact that you can't change the lens. Weirdly, it seems much cheaper to shoot v. wide stuff with a DSLR.

caek, Sunday, 30 August 2009 19:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

I am waiting for the availability of GH1s to settle down (and a couple of munich pay days) and then I think I will get one around Christmas.

caek, Sunday, 30 August 2009 19:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

Lame things about GH1 compared to most cheap DV cams: no audio out for monitoring if you're using the onboard mic, no live video out during recording for focus pull/director to watch.

caek, Sunday, 30 August 2009 19:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

The Canon 5D2 has a phantom-power mic-in too, I think. There are hacks around for the 5D2 which transform one of the outputs into a headphone monitor, bypass the auto-gain circuitry and even add stereo audio peak meters to the LCD display, so people are certainly working on the audio issues. The recent firmware update (which added manual control to video shooting) may not be the last major revision from Canon to this camera, either. So, rolling shutter/CMOS issues apart, it still looks like a decent video camera (and with the huge advantage of 35mm-frame depth of field).

I know I've posted this before, but this was taken with my 40D (which doesn't shoot video) with some Russian software that captures the Live View feed as an uncompressed DV-AVI. The original looks better, but still a nice indication of shallow DoF video on a DSLR (1.6x crop sensor in this case):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pernfors88/3702757596/

Michael Jones, Sunday, 30 August 2009 20:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

my 40D (which doesn't shoot video) with some Russian software that captures the Live View feed as an uncompressed DV-AVI

yaow! rad!

caek, Sunday, 30 August 2009 20:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha MJ! I thought that was going to be the one of your daughters; some fine eyebrow maneuvering there

tony dayo (dyao), Monday, 31 August 2009 08:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

so i broke down and got a video DSLR, the canon 550d / t2i.

it's crazy dudes.

it shoots the EXACT same modes as the 7D, the exact same sensor, but half the price. it and the 7d even have some advantages over the 5d mk II!

i love it tbh!

here's some test footage i shot like as soon as i got it. i was starving at the time but i needed to play with it! that's what she said.

http://vimeo.com/12630648

delanie griffith (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 June 2010 04:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh and ya my point is it's HALF the price of the 7d

delanie griffith (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 June 2010 04:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

looks nice! the final episode of this season of house was shot on 5DII's, but no reason why a 550D couldn't match it in performance imo. are you going to pick up an external mic?

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 04:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

the only major diff is 5dmkii is full-frame. no resolution difference obviously at 1080p but you'd get better DOF and less noise in low-light. but i wouldnt be able to use my EF-S lenses and it costs like $1800 more. so i can lives.

my friend has the SOBE (i think?) external mic kit, I'm gonna try it out. but from what i've heard it auto-levels unless you use a kinda mixer add-on. so if i'm gonna do anything serious i might just have to go dual-system and slate everything.

delanie griffith (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 June 2010 04:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

Work colleague just bought a 7D pretty much exclusively for video use (after buying and then selling on a Nikon D90 and a Canon 500D in the past 18 months). He did this even after the salesguy told him the 550D was its equal for video. Oh well. I do hope he puts the extra stills features to use on the 7D - though clearly he now has no money left for lenses (he's been buying cheap MF primes and adaptors - Olympus 50/1.8, etc).

I think the FF aspect of the 5D2 is a big selling point; even "super-35" digital movie cameras don't have sensors as big - the Red One and Panavision Genesis are using chips as big as the image area of 35mm movie film, but that's approx APS-C sized, not 36x24.

The budding filmmakers at work mutter about the difficulty of editing/grading the raw output of the Canon DSLRs, but I don't really know much about that. Seems like a temporary hurdle to me.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 17 June 2010 08:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

even "super-35" digital movie cameras don't have sensors as big

ya that's why i was like, for my purposes, ASP-C is not a big deal.

delanie griffith (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

someone tell me how my camera works

wondering if I should get a zoom field recorder and try and make little videos with the gf1

be told and get high on coconut (gbx), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

with your girlfriend?

young werther's originals (s1ocki), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 17:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

just the first one

be told and get high on coconut (gbx), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

u should make a porno

young werther's originals (s1ocki), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

will u produce it

be told and get high on coconut (gbx), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

i would definitely 'lend my name'

young werther's originals (s1ocki), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.hdwarrior.co.uk/2010/06/22/5235/

am0n, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

technology is crazy, i just figured out that my little point and shoot i bought over a year ago shoots HD (well 720p) video... underwater! and that it was the same camera used to shoot Washed Out's "Feeling All Around"... IF ONLY I KNEW THAT AT THE TIME.

_▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

whoops, sorry my lil point and shoot is not a DSLR (nor a DLSR), wack post^^^

_▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

u could've chilled on that wave

am0n, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

dang that filmlike looks dope

be told and get high on coconut (gbx), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

what is the current "big deal" in this "arena"?

caek, Saturday, 4 December 2010 08:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

?

.\ /. (dayo), Saturday, 4 December 2010 08:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

in the market for a camera for stills and video for < 1000 units of currency.

caek, Saturday, 4 December 2010 10:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

used gh1, or the last gen entry level canon?

.\ /. (dayo), Saturday, 4 December 2010 10:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

if i were to buy a gh1, is there anything i need to know about firmware beforehand?

caek, Saturday, 4 December 2010 10:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

you have to hack it to get really great vid quality. later production units may not be hackable? I dunno, check luminous landscape for details

.\ /. (dayo), Saturday, 4 December 2010 10:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

ty

caek, Saturday, 4 December 2010 11:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

rebel t2i/550d ftw imo

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 December 2010 19:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

is that what you have? did you get the kit lens?

caek, Saturday, 4 December 2010 22:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

afaict, and this is only according to what I've read on LL, panasonic designed the GH1 with both videographers and photographers in mind, whereas most other DSLRs that also shoot video are stills cameras first, movie cameras second. for example, the GH1 comes with a lens that has silent AF, so the mic won't pick up any AF sounds. also it has a stereo mic built in? and mic input.

anyway I'm not interesting in shooting movies so I would just warn that most reviews you find probably come from photography websites whose authors don't really know anything about shooting video. (except LL... I think).

.\ /. (dayo), Sunday, 5 December 2010 01:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

hmm according to LL the GH2 is probably the camera to get for video work. maybe you could have a friend smuggle one back for you from hte states

.\ /. (dayo), Sunday, 5 December 2010 02:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

is that what you have? did you get the kit lens?

― caek, Saturday, December 4, 2010 5:56 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

yes it is. and no i did not. i have not done anything 'pro' with it yet, but check my vimmers for a bunch of examples:

http://vimeo.com/user698403

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Sunday, 5 December 2010 03:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yah I did a bunch of reading this morning and that was my conclusion too, dayo.

GH2 has swing LCD screen (which I would definitely find useful) and HDMI out (which I would maybe find useful one day) and is smaller than the 550D. But it costs a lot more. What it costs is in my budget, but I'm not sure I can justify it over the 550D given the tooling around I intend to use it for at this stage.

thanks for the links, slocki. seems like you mainly use that fast sigma prime? it doesn't have image stabilization, right? how much does that limit what you can do?

caek, Sunday, 5 December 2010 12:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

i guess a lot of the price of the GH1/2 is the lens though, and maybe i would save money in the long run?

caek, Sunday, 5 December 2010 12:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

hmm there is certainly something to be said for paying a little more at the outset and not being tempted to upgrade. and yeah a lot of the price is wrapped up in the lens - you could probably sell the lens and make back maybe half the money you spend on the kit? not sure what you would end up replacing it with though.

if you're going to use it as a stills camera first and movie camera second then a canon probably makes more sense? what kind of lenses are you looking at?

steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Sunday, 5 December 2010 12:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

i don't know much about lenses! my last camera with changeable lenses was a 35mm film camera and i was fine with a 50mm prime then. obviously i wasn't shooting video or low light though. i'm reading around now but kind of overwhelmed.

caek, Sunday, 5 December 2010 13:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

this makes me think i will be starting with the kit lens whichever i end up getting

caek, Sunday, 5 December 2010 13:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

1 hour later

http://www.icis.com/blogs/asian-chemical-connections/confused.jpg

caek, Sunday, 5 December 2010 14:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

what are your goals?

steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Sunday, 5 December 2010 14:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

ridiculously narrow depth of field shots of neon lights

caek, Sunday, 5 December 2010 15:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

nah jokes. just want to experiment really, so i guess flexibility is a virtue, but assuming the experiments work out then i will be in a position to make a more informed decision about lenses and sell the kit.

caek, Sunday, 5 December 2010 15:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

thanks for the links, slocki. seems like you mainly use that fast sigma prime? it doesn't have image stabilization, right? how much does that limit what you can do?

― caek, Sunday, December 5, 2010 7:47 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

no it doesn't. but i am a bit skeptical about how useful in-lens stabilizaysh is when shooting video. if i were ever to do anything serious with this camera i would get a rig.

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Sunday, 5 December 2010 16:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

you've shot with real videocameras and live monitors and stuff, right? i know an SLR can't compete with that, but how limiting do you find the lack of a flip-out monitor? have you done anything with the built-in audio on it?

caek, Sunday, 5 December 2010 17:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

thanks for the link kerm. i guess the point is either (1) 550D or (2) spend more and choose between the GH2 and 60D.

caek, Sunday, 5 December 2010 17:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

yes i have.

i haven't foudn the lack of a flip-out to be too limiting. but like i said i've only been doing casual stuff. pretty sure you can run a line out to a monitor through the hdmi cable... but not 100% on that.

i was gonna get a 7D until i realized the video capabilities were exactly the same and i could get the 550 for literally half the price

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Sunday, 5 December 2010 17:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

was the 60d not around when you were looking?

caek, Sunday, 5 December 2010 17:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

no it was just before it was released. i prob would have still stayed with the 550d tbh.

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Sunday, 5 December 2010 18:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

nah jokes. just want to experiment really, so i guess flexibility is a virtue, but assuming the experiments work out then i will be in a position to make a more informed decision about lenses and sell the kit.

― caek, Sunday, December 5, 2010 11:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

fwiw the 14-140mm lens holds its value pretty well because its still one of only a few lenses that was designed for movie shooting (i.e. silent AF, stepless aperture control). the 14-42 is kind of worthless as is whatever will be bundled with the canons, which don't resell too well (maybe $1-200 max here in america).

I feel that the canons have the advantage in low light performance and also it'd be easier to get shallow depth of field. otoh the four thirds format is already pretty close in size to 35mm movie film and if you really want blurred backgrounds just move the camera in and focus closer.

but probably all of these cameras will be more than sufficient for your purposes. I'm still a proponent of buying the best camera available at the time to suit your needs, that way you don't have to go through the rigmarole of selling and upgrading.

or fuck it and just get this

http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-camcorders/panasonic-hdc-tm700/4505-6500_7-33976887.html

steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

i don't really like that narrow dof hdslr look. it has a place in demo stuff, but it doesn't really belong in 99% of shots in narrative stuff. feel like people who call it the "film look" have never actually seen a film.

low light performance is useful, since at the tooling around stage i will be working with available light, but when a modern camera is working at 1080p rather than 18MP or whatever, i assume what is possible in low light is much more a function of the lens rather than the camera.

the flexibility of the 14-140 (and the resale value for when i figure out what i actually want to do with the camera) is relevant to my interests, so if I was going to pay extra for the 60D or the GH2, I think i will get the GH2.

i am not buying until i am in the u.s. in february. i have time to get my hands on a couple to try out. will maybe go to tottenham court road after xmas with a memory card and try the GH2 and to 550D.

thank you all for your comments.

caek, Monday, 6 December 2010 13:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

What did caek get? I have a GH2, but I can't say that I love it...yet

Cane it for the original white tees (admrl), Sunday, 29 January 2012 01:15 (six years ago) Permalink

life intervened and i got nothing. any particular problems with it?

caek, Sunday, 29 January 2012 14:13 (six years ago) Permalink

It isn't film.

Cane it for the original white tees (admrl), Monday, 30 January 2012 19:26 (six years ago) Permalink

lol +1

admrl are you going to buy the canon c300??

dayo, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 13:19 (six years ago) Permalink


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