I'm ok with other animals (I have a particular fondness for photos of horses) but it's pointy-faced, bug-eyed dogs I don't like. I like the above two photos; they don't have any grotesqueness about them.
― dubmill, Saturday, 11 July 2015 13:43 (eight years ago) link
how do you feel about elliott erwitt's dog bictuers?
― 龜, Saturday, 11 July 2015 13:49 (eight years ago) link
From a quick glance, I'm ok with them. They are much more subtle. Affectionate, not grotesque.
My original question was where did the meme come from, and I am wondering if what I don't like is a fairly recent distortion of an older meme. I notice that a lot of the people on the HCSP group on Flickr (who I detest) are into the version of this that I don't like. I find the way people are depicted in street photography often to be grotesque, as well, so maybe it's the same with how they use dogs.
― dubmill, Saturday, 11 July 2015 14:12 (eight years ago) link
i feel like cruising a flickr group you detest is super unhealthy, like it's a photo-centric comments thread plunge. i don't really know what street photography is, now, feels like a very grey internet zone to get tangled up in.
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Saturday, 11 July 2015 14:23 (eight years ago) link
I don't spend any time cruising it, although I've looked at it in the past. I avoid it now because both the photos and the discussions make me angry.
Here's an example of what I don't like (from that group):
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7371/14149098572_e92b25857f.jpg
It's a different type of dog breed to the usual but otherwise fits.
― dubmill, Saturday, 11 July 2015 14:31 (eight years ago) link
After all that, I'm having trouble finding photos with the exact kind of dog doing the exact kind of thing I don't like. But this is kind of what I'm talking about (again, different dog type -- not a terrier):
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8475/8079062332_1bd61dde24.jpg
I'll shut up now as it's getting off-topic (and really quite far removed from the photo in the series Drash posted).
― dubmill, Saturday, 11 July 2015 15:10 (eight years ago) link
like half of photos in that group look like alex webb
i feel like cruising a flickr group you detest is super unhealthy, like it's a photo-centric comments thread plunge
so true
but maybe worse when involves some attraction with repulsion (otherwise wdn't be so irritating; tropes & cliches-- in word or image-- wdn't be so grating if there wasn't some thread of recognition/kinship)
much of contemporary 'street photography' genre/ groups irritates me too, but not easy to articulate why
maybe it's not photos themselves so much as experience of looking at them in form of unindividuated stream of images
― drash, Sunday, 12 July 2015 13:40 (eight years ago) link
dubmill i think the one you posted from hcsp it's obvious why it was chosen - the twinning of the expressions on the dog and women's face, and the fortuitous inclusion of the peace sign (i can imagine the commenters in that group pointing out the 'dog' sign on the upper left corner too)
but i agree it's uninteresting
it seems the current mode of street photography is obsessed with the grotesque and the maximal
photography by inclusion and addition (they have never heard of addition by subtraction, or when they do, the results are very geometric and abstract and similarly competent but glossed over)
― 龜, Sunday, 12 July 2015 13:52 (eight years ago) link
speaking of twinning i don't think that photo is as interesting as this one
http://i.imgur.com/pg9HNn2.jpg
the dogs i think of photographed by the 'masters' i think are photographed for the sense of menace + study of form
koudelka's hound looks like it could be a model for cerberus
― 龜, Sunday, 12 July 2015 13:53 (eight years ago) link
^^^ otm
grotesque flashed faces; lots of (soulless) geometric formalism & obvious visual puns
― drash, Sunday, 12 July 2015 14:01 (eight years ago) link
Not exactly sure what you mean. Have you got any examples to illustrate your point?
the twinning of the expressions on the dog and women's face
Oh, I understood that's what they like about it. It's not that I find it 'uninteresting'. It's arresting in a way but I just find it objectionable. To me there's an aggressive attitude to it.
I like the photo of sheep/boy. Again it's subtle rather than shouty. The fact that the sheep's face is not in focus is significant; also that the sheep is looking at the camera but the boy is looking away. Tension/balance.
the sense of menace + study of form
Yes.
― dubmill, Sunday, 12 July 2015 14:27 (eight years ago) link
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hasandocjimc/17416445140/in/pool-onthestreet/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ariaaryana/19323100576/in/pool-onthestreet/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hasandocjimc/19407257976/in/pool-onthestreet/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nmsilvafotografia/17607668139/in/pool-onthestreet/
4 out of the 5 on the front page lol
― 龜, Sunday, 12 July 2015 14:30 (eight years ago) link
rent (who sometimes posts here) told me a story about how he met a photographer and analyzed them solely in terms of 'layers' and how many 'layers' a picture would have, the more the better
like for this one above https://www.flickr.com/photos/hasandocjimc/19407257976/in/pool-onthestreet/ look at everything that's happening in the foreground, the middle, the background, the far background! it could only be improved upon were there a helicopter or plane in the sky in the distance, perhaps exploding into a thousand pieces
― 龜, Sunday, 12 July 2015 14:32 (eight years ago) link
Link 1: I don't mind this. It's kind of striking in a way but ultimately not really satisfying.Link 2: Is this what you mean by geometric? I really dislike this photo. The figures are not interesting and I particularly hate the jogger. Also the colour is jarring/not well coordinated.Link 3: In this case I'd rather the photographer was a bit further away and you could maybe see what the men are actually doing. As it is I find it jumbled and kind of oppressive.Link 4: The two men cleaning windows have similar poses. Not interesting (at least to me).
― dubmill, Sunday, 12 July 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
those four examples spoke to the maximal tendency
― 龜, Sunday, 12 July 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
some minimal examples
https://www.flickr.com/photos/43886382@N03/17756036513/in/pool-onthestreet/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rammynarula/16022978400/in/pool-onthestreet/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ngravity/10579177905/in/pool-onthestreet/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/supajug/14719263887/in/pool-onthestreet/
― 龜, Sunday, 12 July 2015 14:56 (eight years ago) link
look at everything that's happening in the foreground, the middle, the background, the far background!
To me the layering is not really pronounced. While I can see that some things are closer to the camera than others, ultimately that's not how I perceive it and the overall effect is it looks 'flat' to me. I guess they'd probably say that I don't understand what I'm looking at.
― dubmill, Sunday, 12 July 2015 15:08 (eight years ago) link
OK, I see what you mean.
― dubmill, Sunday, 12 July 2015 15:41 (eight years ago) link
look at everything that's happening in the foreground, the middle, the background, the far background! it could only be improved upon were there a helicopter or plane in the sky in the distance, perhaps exploding into a thousand pieces
lol yes (corroborated by comments there)that 'layering' thing is part of what i meant with alex webb comparisonalso the v 'harmonious' distribution, neat geometric organization, of humans (objects) in space
http://www.webbnorriswebb.co/data/photos/1318_1AW_SufferingOfLight_13.jpg
http://actuphoto.com/clients/fichiers/userfiles/images/Capture_decran_20111004_a_12_27_26%281%29.jpg
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/01/07/blogs/20130107-lens-webb-slide-TI5U/20130107-lens-webb-slide-TI5U-superJumbo.jpg
― drash, Sunday, 12 July 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link
(those are alex webb)
every photo needs to look like this cartier-bresson
http://www.americansuburbx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Henri-Cartier-Bresson-2-Custom.jpg
― drash, Sunday, 12 July 2015 22:28 (eight years ago) link
here's a nice diversion: http://www.walkinginla.com/
― chinavision!, Sunday, 12 July 2015 23:26 (eight years ago) link
neat geometric organization, of humans (objects)
OK, I get it now. My first thought re. 'geometry' was that it must refer to buildings/spaces, not the actual people in the photo. Stupid of me -- I recognise this style.
I can't say I hate the Alex Webb photos but I don't particularly like them. What is it that makes the Cartier-Bresson better? 'Lighter touch' (something to do with the framing)? The people are not seen as 'objects' (even though the style is superficially similar)? Technical aspects (softer, less crisp look)? 'patina of history' (image depicts a world further in the past so is intrinsically more mysterious; also may be associated with momentous events, in this case frequently assumed to refer to the effects of the Spanish Civil War -- but was in fact taken in 1933)?
― dubmill, Monday, 13 July 2015 10:29 (eight years ago) link
there's a confrontational tension in the HCB, and the frame through the wall
but yeah HCB doesn't generally do it for me
i still agree with frank:
Robert Frank, whose book “The Americans” (1958) treated subjects akin to many in the older photographer’s work, put it harshly but justly: “He traveled all over the goddamned world, and you never felt that he was moved by something that was happening other than the beauty of it, or just the composition.”
― 龜, Monday, 13 July 2015 10:47 (eight years ago) link
xp i don't dislike webb either; just weary of & feel cold to a pervasive style which seems (at least partly) modeled after him
was being sarcastic about c-b; but do think certain of his photos are in a way archetype for this style
"what makes it better" is interesting q; this strain of c-b leaves me kinda cold too
― drash, Monday, 13 July 2015 10:54 (eight years ago) link
rf otm still kinda unfair, feel there's warmth, pathos in some of c-b's work, but mostly-- yeah
― drash, Monday, 13 July 2015 10:59 (eight years ago) link
was being sarcastic about c-b
Ah, I wondered about that. But I do think it's better (or, at least, I like that one photo much more than the AW ones you posted). Not that I am a huge fan of the style, either.
― dubmill, Monday, 13 July 2015 11:04 (eight years ago) link
that's a really cool site cv
― 龜, Monday, 13 July 2015 11:08 (eight years ago) link
there's a strain of thought that identifies the primary mode of photography as melancholy
i was thinking that for me, photography is the sentimentalist's sport
and you understand then why frank was angry at cartier bresson for not feeling a goddamned thing
― 龜, Monday, 13 July 2015 11:10 (eight years ago) link
melancholysentimentalist's sport
yes, for me too
― drash, Monday, 13 July 2015 11:22 (eight years ago) link
http://www.billjacobsonstudio.com/wp/project/untitled-1999-2001/
― 龜, Saturday, 18 July 2015 13:05 (eight years ago) link
http://www.m97gallery.com/artist/artists_data/jiang_zhi/img/1313054614_1.jpg
jiang zhi
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link
why ... isn't this the cover of the new order record
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
http://andrewhammerand.com/the_new_town/hammerand_6.jpghttp://andrewhammerand.com/the_new_town/hammerand_7.jpg
andrew hammerand
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 12:00 (eight years ago) link
^really like those
― drash, Sunday, 9 August 2015 11:59 (eight years ago) link
http://www.cinematheque.fr/data/photo/18860.jpghttp://www.cinematheque.fr/data/photo/18853.jpghttp://www.cinematheque.fr/data/photo/18864.jpghttp://www.cinematheque.fr/data/photo/18863.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/auteurs_production/post_images/14045/01.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/auteurs_production/post_images/14042/04.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/auteurs_production/post_images/14039/07.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/auteurs_production/post_images/14038/08.jpghttp://www.zk-images.com/Sept12/Resnais3.jpghttp://www.zk-images.com/Sept12/Resnais4.jpg
― drash, Sunday, 9 August 2015 12:02 (eight years ago) link
continuedhttp://www.achtung.photography/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Alain_Resnais_Reperages_08.jpghttp://www.achtung.photography/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Alain_Resnais_Reperages_09.jpg
more images here:https://mubi.com/notebook/posts/ten-photographs-by-alain-resnais-mise-en-scene-of-memory-aesthetics-of-silencehttp://www.cinematheque.fr/uk/museum-and-collections/actualite-collections/actualite-patrimoniale/reperages-photographies-resnais.htmlhttp://www.achtung.photography/alain-resnais-and-jorge-semprun-reperages-1974/http://donlonbooks.com/products/reperages-by-alain-resnais
― drash, Sunday, 9 August 2015 12:04 (eight years ago) link
little bbc documentary about a new zealand photographer in the eggleston/shore mode
http://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-33674326
recently published in a book marred with an incongruously 'quirky' cover design - i dismissed it at first
http://www.pottonandburton.co.nz/store/hometown-new-zealand
― linee, Thursday, 13 August 2015 08:47 (eight years ago) link
http://lpvshow.com/files/2010/11/11.jpg
http://lpvshow.com/files/2010/11/13.jpg
http://lpvshow.com/files/2010/11/021.jpg
inside the book
― linee, Thursday, 13 August 2015 08:58 (eight years ago) link
i like his photos a lotalso reminds me a bit of luigi ghirri
― drash, Thursday, 13 August 2015 11:31 (eight years ago) link
yeah for sure
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 13 August 2015 11:58 (eight years ago) link
http://exploreg✧✧✧.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Nan-Goldin-David%E2%80%99s-darkroom-New-Haven-1997-at-MatthewMarks-at-FriezeNewYo✧✧✧@matthewmarksgall✧✧✧.j✧✧
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Sunday, 23 August 2015 23:19 (eight years ago) link
https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11260788_1675257606041009_528619360_n.jpg
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Sunday, 23 August 2015 23:28 (eight years ago) link
http://flashbak.com/love-boat-rejects-unforgettable-photos-of-people-on-cruise-ships-in-the-1990s-38273/
http://i.imgur.com/e1uhCG4.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ffJ0VkH.jpg
― gr8080, Monday, 31 August 2015 21:45 (eight years ago) link
ha those are great (martin-parr-esque)actually tbh cruise ship photographer sounds like best worst job ever
― drash, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 04:56 (eight years ago) link
i work with a guy who was a cruise ship videographer a few years back and he def has some best/worst stories
― gr8080, Thursday, 3 September 2015 12:07 (eight years ago) link
ha i can imagine (wd love to hear some but realize they may not be yours to tell)
― drash, Friday, 4 September 2015 02:51 (eight years ago) link
these are great: http://www.janetdelaney.com/south-of-market/
― chinavision!, Thursday, 5 November 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
these are also great! http://www.zevschmitz.com/islandofmanhattan#0
― chinavision!, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 22:11 (eight years ago) link