new nikon mirrorless out today. 2.7x crop factor?! I know Nikon has the best noise-reduction algorithms in the industry, but...
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 10:45 (twelve years ago) link
only one prime out at launch - 10mm 2.8 (27mm equiv.). not bad, not bad...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg/550px-Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside.svg.png
so the nikon sensor somewhere in between the 4/3 sensor and the 1/1.6" sensor. it'll be nice, and a change, for m43 users to lord over nikon mirrorless users for having smaller sensors.
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 10:47 (twelve years ago) link
I don't get the Nikon mirrorless strategy at all. Pentax tried to go smaller than 4/3 and got laughed at - people have come to expect at least the quality of 4/3 files, if not better (ie new NEX model that has the same sensor as the D7000)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
2.7 is like some comedy joke. I half expected them to say "and in stunning 1mp vga quality".
― stet, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
I mean look at this http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/09/nikon-1-system-vs-nex-c3-sensor.jpg
― stet, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that's p dumb
― forced to change display name (gbx), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
priced similarly to its competitors, no discernable advantages besides the nikon name. ok, there's a nikon f adapter, but then you've got a 2.7 crop factor, m43 is already pushing it as far as those things go. idgi.
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Thursday, 22 September 2011 01:38 (twelve years ago) link
eitherhttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31ABC3yb09L._SL500_AA300_.jpgFuji 6x6 rangefinder
or
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2233/2109255147_1664c78391.jpgMinolta Autocord TLR by jonathan ponce, on FlickrMinolta Autocord
I love the idea of medium-format rangefinders, but I almost always used MF on a tripod back in the day, I'm not sure how 6x6 would work (for me) casually.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 26 September 2011 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
have always sorta wanted a Bessa R3M tbh
but dayo: how do i shot used Leica?
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:28 (twelve years ago) link
gbx looking for a leica enabler
― mr. vertical (schlump), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
p much
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
think it is a good plan, buy a leica already versus spend a lifetime wondering. was it you who said you maybe had access to some that were in an attic, or?
― mr. vertical (schlump), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
that too
my dad's a "leica dude" and has an m6, an m8.2, and an r-something-or-other at home. but basically all he ever takes pictures with now is a little point and shoot
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
sure. a guy in a store saw my camera recently and was all ah!, back in the day i ..., i sort of skipped ahead in my head and started imagining being bequeathed his old, dusty, long dormant leicas (this wasn't the point of the story, but remembering it i realise it was the time i left the store without the paracetamol i was buying, maybe such was the depth of my reverie); would be great to get to play around with something without necessarily having to jump right into making your choice. it's nice to know that there's some flexibility in still being able to trade up and down once you have one, though.
― mr. vertical (schlump), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
I have a M7 and had a R2A - tbh, I'd go Bessa or Zeiss Ikon over a Leica.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
gbx I would borrow your dad's m6!
― dayo, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
milo I have an autocord - bought it used off eBay, sent it off to an autocord export for a (reasonably priced) CLA. great camera! there slight differences in all the variations, such as what company did the shutter, but they are all pretty much the same. great build quality.
― dayo, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
for used Leica, I would break it down like this:
meter or non meter?
meter, you're stuck with an M6 or newer, probably at least $1000, maybe $900 if you're lucky.
non meter, you have M2, M4, M4-2, M4-P. lot to be said for all of them. depends on what you're looking for. measure twice, cut once as they say!
― dayo, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
oh i'm totally gonna borrow the M6. and i was thinking if/when I buy a RF for myself, i'd get something non-metered. the R3M is appealing for the 1:1 viewfinder, all manual-ness, and price. plus, i have a sneaking suspicion that it'll be easier to borrow lenses from my dad than bodies.
but i guess my q to you was: you said in the other thread that ebay leicas are overpriced, and that privated dealers were the way to go. but....which dealers?
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
hmm, well it depends on how much of a risk you want to take... on eBay, check out the seller wye7, who is a pretty well regarded leica repairman who sells CLA'd leicas on the side. all the bodies he sells have been CLA'd by him and he's pretty good at standing by his work.
other than that, private deals rangefinderforum.com and getdpi.com are the way to go. that's tougher though, because the good deals usually get snapped up quickly. and people get burned on those sites too. and it can be a huge timesink, spending every hour refreshing to see if what you want comes up, and trying to be the first in line.
if you want to go this route, look for ads done by "honest abe" types of people - people who make full disclosure, go above and beyond what's necessary to provide a surfeit of detail about their cameras, and who have good feedback.
other than that, you can try KEH, which *had* a good reputation but people have been questioning them lately. and they tend to be above the market price by $1-200 in most cases, at least on leica bodies.
you can still get good deals on eBay, but there'll be big risks. the worst that can happen is you buy a leica, find out it has a problem, and have to send it in for repair, which can be $2-400. (otoh a repaired leica, assuming good internals and no abuse, will then be bulletproof for at least 10 years, or so people say - I haven't owned one for more than a year yet!)
and if you ever decide to sell, you'll probably get most of what you put in - I'd figure about $1-150 in losses at most after factoring shipping, paypal fees, etc.
― dayo, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
I've had very good luck with KEH for used stuff, but it's been a year or two since I bought anything from them. Probably going to order a NIkon FE2 pretty soon, though.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
If you got a meterless Leica and decide you want some kind of meter, Voigtlander makes (or made) a hotshoe meter that was affordable - imperfect (you can't really see exactly what's being metered) but good enough for negative.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
I guess the main thing to emphasize is that, buying a leica will be a money-losing proposition, in some way or another - just depends on where you'll take your lumps! you can buy a bargain leica and later discover that it'll need repairs - that's a lump. you can buy a priced higher than average leica that's guaranteed to work - but when you sell it, you'll take a lump. if you happen to drop that leica or break some part of it, that'll be another lump. and of course you'll be spending money on film and processing and scanning, which will be a big lump.
it does help to think of the money that you lose as akin to a 'rental fee', and that compared to the initial investment, it's not big. and sometimes you break even when you sell, or you can even sell at a profit. those are good scenarios. if you happened to buy a lot of leica equipment about a year ago, you're grinning right now, because leica prices have gone up in the past year, sometimes by 50-100%. this is because of the success of the m9, and because of the rising china middle class. I don't think prices are likely to come down soon unless something like, say, the death of Kodak happens in the next year. which is very likely. then, body prices will likely fall, but I see lenses as either stable or growing, since there will always be digital bodies to use them on.
and that's not to say digital doesn't have its own share of lumps - digital bodies are almost guaranteed to lose money as soon as you click the purchase button. digital lenses are better in this way.
― dayo, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
I bought a used M7 and used 35 Summilux ASPH in early 2003 from folks on the Leica User Group mailing list - my total expenditure was under $3k.Thanks to Leica's absurd price increases over the last decade, I can probably get $4k for the lens and almost $2k for the body.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
That is nuts
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
a 35mm summicron v4 used to go for $1000-1200 a year and a half ago, now they regularly go for $1600-2500 depending on condition
>:|
― dayo, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
30 years ago you could kick a leica down a street
I think it's going to be all I can do to gather a little extra cash and get myself a Leica 50mm (probably an Elmar or something) before just writing off purchasing new gear. Oh well, guess film will die and I'll be using a 5D in a few years anyway?
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
collapsible summicrons are usually pretty cheap, $2-300, because the front element is really soft and is usually scratched up and they are prone to haze. otoh the collapsible 50mm 'cron was HCB's primary lens. shrug!
― dayo, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
kinda thought that was one of the selling points tbh
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.bobbyleephoto.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/bresson.jpg
I love the look in his eyes - the gaze of a hunter!
― dayo, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
HCBs "primary lens" was his ~eye~, man
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
I also want to share this picture of Eggleston
http://i.imgur.com/OCikR.jpg
what a gentleman!
― dayo, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
btw even tho I think the whole thing is ott and ridiculous, the weird holster thing leica ginned up for that special edition M9 is kind of a good idea?
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
I mean with a name like Eggleston
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:23 (twelve years ago) link
what weird holster thing?
― dayo, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit
http://www.shanelavalette.com/images/journal/egglestonandlynch.jpg
O_O
― dayo, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:27 (twelve years ago) link
I'm on IPHONE but they did some dum limited run thing with the M9. some VW designer refashioned the body and instead of a neck strap they put a hand loop on the right side of the body. they then matched it to a shoulder holster deal, like the cam is a 9mm or something. I think it looks whack, but the idea isn't a bad one
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:28 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah I think several companies make straps like that - they call them like quick...something.
btw that looks like a... contax g2? that lynch is holding.
― dayo, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.louisck.net/2009/03/uso-tour-weblog-kuwait-iraq-af.html
lol louis ck uses a leica. is that good or bad?
― dayo, Friday, 30 September 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
obv its good. like, as a huge louis ck stan, i actually swooned a bit when i found out he was a leica dude.
he got some good shots imo. i think you can see his visual sensibilities reflected in "Louie."
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Friday, 30 September 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
haha I dunno anything about the dude, never seen his work
his setup is like $3.5k between the mp and the summilux. O_o
also he has the same light meter I use
― dayo, Friday, 30 September 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
not counting his 35 and 90!
also O_o at using a lens w/o a protective filter in iraq
― dayo, Friday, 30 September 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
so otm, both points. some lovely pictures out of helicopters on the blog. the pictures of army dudes i find too hard to judge but are neat. visually louie is beautiful - i've read him enthusing about lenses and on stuff like the episode with the neighbours & his pregnant sister you can see how much it pays off.
i think more about the compositional similarities & diffs between photography and cinema than i used to, recently, like i was to play with a film camera to see how it relates
also, all of his prologuing about the leicas - this is awesome, but you can try this one cheaply instead, putting up 'this is a shot taken on film', 'this digital', comparison shots etc are pretty great.
― fleetwood banc (schlump), Friday, 30 September 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I really appreciated the comparisons. and I think the shot on the helipad is gorgeous
got the go ahead on the M6 btw :D
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Friday, 30 September 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
neat! come with any lenses?
― dayo, Friday, 30 September 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
prob at least one. 28mm
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Friday, 30 September 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
When I was an art major, I wanted a Hasselblad XPan so I could approximate Cinemascope on 35mm film.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 30 September 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link