The Micro Four Threads Third

it was a great lens. but atm I have a voigtlander 12mm which is even wider

but yeah $150 for the GH1 EVF is kinda a big deal.

right, esp if all i need it for is framing. i've heard the Oly optical VF mates with the 20mm lumix lens pretty perfectly, and can be had for half the price.

i won't be getting any other lenses for my lumix for a v long time (if at all, tbh), so optical is a-ok in my book

http://grab.by/7IAP

yeah the oly is good because it's in 4:3 ratio, I used the voigtlander 35mm metal one which was good but displayed brightlines in a 3:2 ratio, I never really cared about what I caught in the edges of my pictures though so ~shrug~

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2687/4134711827_e14bb34d0f.jpg

ultra wides are def specialist lenses though, I only use mine like once or twice a month

also have been thinking that if my gf-1 is just gonna be a lo-pro fixed lens job, i should sell it and get that fujix100

how did we post at the same time O_O

yeah the fuji x 100 looks sexy, I would wait to see what reviews say

O_O

oh for sure. if the glass isn't better than the lumix, there's no point.

ultra wides are def specialist lenses though, I only use mine like once or twice a month

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also have been thinking that if my gf-1 is just gonna be a lo-pro fixed lens job, i should sell it and get that fujix100

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attention stet we broke ilx

yeah I would also see about responsiveness, AF speed, menu interface, etc.

oh for sure. i'm not just gonna do it on an impulse anyway. probably can't afford it anyway!

i sent it back for an exchange :/

why?

decided i was kinda in over my head. used it for a couple days but it wasn't as portable as i'd like. great camera but i don't really require the jump in quality it provides and realized i just needed an upgrade of my point-and-shoot

not easy decision tho, it reminded me a lot of my first camera which was a old hand-me-down oly 35mm rangefinder

http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~yue/misc/oly35SPsm.JPG

sounds like you need an s95 then

otm haha

http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/af100/

neat

zeiss and schneider to join the M4/3 consortium

:o

admrl, can you hear me?

Fantastic news.

so ... a micro four thirds or a fuji finepix x100?

maybe if i wait long enough they'll do an x100 with a four thirds system?

Highly unlikely. The X100 sensor is based around a specific fixed lens (the 24/2) - they'd have to entirely redesign the sensor (microlenses that work for interchangeable lenses, etc.) and the optical viewfinder becomes much less useful.

Closest you could do is an Olympus PEN with EVF.

you know, i thought about this all day and i don't even know why i thought this was a reasonable comparison in the first place

good info to hear that the x100 won't have an interchangeable lens any time soon

The X100 looks amazing, but I've heard that the initial firmware has some usability issues.

As nice as the MFT offerings are right now, some long-awaited updates should be arriving soon (E-P3, a true GF1 replacement, etc).

This is intriguing: http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-will-release-an-advanced-gf-camera-and-a-new-gh-successor/

the new 12mm f2 lens looks sick

i have been out of the loop. what lens? can these things focus quickly now?

the contrast-based autofocus on mirrorless cameras is based on the refresh rate of the sensor - how many fps can the sensor deliver to the processor so the processor can detect differences and move the focus in and out accordingly. apparently the new generation of olympus's cameras can do 120 fps and thus autofocus will be very quick in normal situations (still no promises for low light). I think Panasonic has always had this capability.

the new 12mm f/2 lens (24mm equiv) is pretty awesome, has a real manual focus ring with real stops, instead of the weird focus-by-wire setup of previous lenses. it has real dof scales too! they look paltry but at 12mm everything will be in focus.

http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/1106/olympus/12mmsnap-001.jpg

pretty

The new 45mm ƒ/1.8 is intriguing too.

I had a play with the Sony NXE-5N today, and it seems super-sweet. Looks perfect for replacing the tonne of glass and over-sized body I'm carting these days. Anybody got any opinions on them?

(There's also rumoured to be a Nikon mirrorless next week, but with a 2.7x crop! wtf?)

the criticisms I read about the NEX are that 1. menu system completely aimed at newbies, not intuitive at all and 2. the lenses are just ok and 3. the body is super small and thin, but isn't very ergonomic or user friendly? only an extended test run will tell you if these things are tolerable though.

That's been my impression as well, though I've only spent a couple hours futzing with a few display models. I suppose I could adapt, but the bodies felt very awkward coming from my GF1.

Interesting, thanks. The 7 seems better in the UI department; has two dials as well. There's a Zeiss lens coming too.

Whole area seems a bit compromisy right now tbh

so a friend of mine (really) is in the market for something GF1-ish. He's thinking about getting one of those just because I have one, but is there something Better these days?

well samsung entered the market for mirrorless compacts too, and there's the NEX mentioned above. I think the NEX and Samsung have larger sensors than M43 cameras? but personally I would still choose a M43 camera, since the lens lineup is vastly better imo.

or tell your friend to go all in and get an X100, lol

I didn't like the ergonomics of the previous generation NEX cameras - I don't really see the point of such a tiny body when the lenses are still pretty big. Might as well have a grip for the right hand on the NEX at that point. The NEX-7 w/ built in EVF is pretty fascinating, though.

I like the E-PL2 my dad has - with the Panasonic 20mm, it makes a great light/small package. I imagine between the NEX-7 and X100, Olympus will be coming down the pipe with a 'pro' u4/3 that has an EVF in it.

I told him to get the X100 (a fellowship is paying for it), but hes leery of not being able to swap lenses...even tho the gf1 he'd get would just have the prime, so I dunno

Supposedly there's a most enthusiast-friendly followup to the GF series in the pipe, but it's all rumour so far.

People with E-P3s seem to love them, and I've been interested in the G3. It's not much bigger than the GF1, and the EVF would be nice. I'd like to try one to see how improved the sensor really is for low-light shooting.

well it would depend on what his purposes were - if he just wants a smallish camera to document things, and hence isn't too terribly concerned with lens quality or image quality, then probably a GFx or EPx w/ zoom lens would be best? or a NEX w/ zoom lens?

well i think he wants something to build on---like, smallish and documentary, but that can make nice images if/when the time comes

i am also interested in the g3

Sounds like an E-PL3 or GF3 would suit him fine. He'd probably find a great deal on one of the last-generation models. All of the new Olympus bodies, save the E-P3, lack a built-in flash though. Would he mind?

the two wide angle primes look really sweet - 24mm f/2 equivalent?! 28 2.5 is not bad either. the 7-14 is a really sweet lens as well, and the f/4 aperture isn't so important since it's much easier to handhold wides than teles. panny's new 25 1.4 (adapted from the leica designed 25 1.4 for the original four thirds platform) also looks really sweet - a superfast normal is what every system needs.

and if you're a boss bitch you'd get the voigtlander 25/.95 w/ a EVF and get really good at manual focusing quickly

holy balls .95

i'm realizing more and more that i want a VF. i've been dicking around with my Rollei SL35 (ie - just looking at stuff and focusing) and it's reminding me how different shooting with the GF1 is. i love what i can get out of the gf1, but really a lot of the time i'm shooting with it it's from the hip and i just see what comes out later. framing is a secondary concern (esp with post-processing hi-rez images). i should've just pulled the trigger on an OVF

Hey yo, so I just seen some stuff shot on a GH2 (we're talking video here) that looks SICK and am thinking about getting one of these instead of a 7D or 5D. Again this would be for shooting video almost exclusively. I also heard that you can get an older GH1 and hack it to increase the bitrate. Is this true? Any thoughts on these cameras? The 5D seems to be the indie filmmaker/artist's camera of choice now, but I don't see why it has to be. Are these full frame? How are they in low light, etc.?