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polls are disabled on IMP??? smdh

anyway, i know we've done the SB debate to death but fuck it. also, i know the answer to this is "go code it yourself" but that's never going to happen, sorry. i bring good ideas to the table, not coding. also, the code for this already exists in the greasemoney app, right??

personally i think it's fucking disgusting that ILX has a "suggest ban" system at all let alone next to every single post, and i know i may be in the minority when it comes to that. but how hard would it be to replace the SB button with a "hide this user" button??? wouldn't that save EVERYONE a lot of grief? other boards employ this to great effect, and it makes for way less "hard work" for mods and less of a butthurt environment.

look if you don't want whiney around, it doesn't mean i should get deprived of one of my favorite posters. i don't get to KIP and cast vote for someone to stay. its fucked up. 51 is as arbitrary a number as 2 or 3 or 5,000. guarantee you there's at least 52 posters/lurkers who would rather whiney stayed around.

so lets do it-- lets try out killfile for a month instead of SB's.

we deserve better!!!!!!!

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:12 (ten years ago) link

sounds like u have stumbled upon a suggest unban option

fuck wit my dinner with andre day (m bison), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:15 (ten years ago) link

which I would support, kill file wouod make threads flow kinda awkward

fuck wit my dinner with andre day (m bison), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:16 (ten years ago) link

this sucks for you gr80 and my heart bleeds but srsly lol

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:17 (ten years ago) link

bad timing to start this terrible thread when the suggest ban function has had such a banner day

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:19 (ten years ago) link

ugh. gr80 otm

i guess you are the fattest and the ugliest (Matt P), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:19 (ten years ago) link

lol i guess but its still stupid, basically disgusting and generates so much fucking noise

i guess you are the fattest and the ugliest (Matt P), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:21 (ten years ago) link

basically agree with gr80 - SBs are good for knowing when you're being a dick (my own level has been fluctuating accordingly of late) but if you cross that line then the reality of the ban is pretty barbaric - plus it engenders the sort of tedious debate we nonetheless have to have

also, 'next to every post'...yes, it's really bad karma for the messageboard to be like this, i often think

acoleuthic, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:23 (ten years ago) link

you should at least have to visit a user's profile to SB them

its fucking gross that its next to EVERY SINGLE POST

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:24 (ten years ago) link

which I would support, kill file wouod make threads flow kinda awkward

― fuck wit my dinner with andre day (m bison), Friday, February 4, 2011 2:16 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

agreed but 60 days w/o LJ or whiney does this already imo

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:25 (ten years ago) link

how about if each user could see their suggest ban count like a yellow card. maybe they would give themselves a chill pill.

jeff, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:35 (ten years ago) link

hes gone for 90 days now right?

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:35 (ten years ago) link

like itll be summertime

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:36 (ten years ago) link

sure, plax. dance on his grave.

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:36 (ten years ago) link

in the interest of clarity

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:37 (ten years ago) link

did he get the mods to delete those SBs j0rd gave when he got sent packing on the mods love rape ban

dayo, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:38 (ten years ago) link

i don't really post here often but fwiw i totally agree, lots of my most fav. posters seem to get tagged regularly and it's weird and p. uncool imo

sleepingbag, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:39 (ten years ago) link

post here if you flavor our pumpkin pie system with a Bread Sauce system

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:40 (ten years ago) link

btw i am also a major fan of killfile. dont understand why this needs to be an either or deal when i am right now eating this enormous cake i have.

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:41 (ten years ago) link

post here if you favor eating an enormous cake

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:42 (ten years ago) link

Slip inside my sleepingbag

buzza, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:43 (ten years ago) link

FREE WHINEY

markers, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:44 (ten years ago) link

i have sb'd fewer than five times during its existence and did not particularly come into contact with whiney, let alone sb him.

but dude has got to 51 three times. he was being a dick, he knew ppl thought he was being a dick, and he continued to be a dick. i don't support a truly perm ban for him, but both he and us will survive nicely during however long his timeout is

mookieproof, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:44 (ten years ago) link

who will rep kayo dot now

-_-

acoleuthic, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:46 (ten years ago) link

the problem is, its not 51 sb's off one huge banworthy dick move. its 3 casual SB's at a time spread over 17 boards.

no one should get posting privileges revoked for 60 days because of some innocent hardmanning and/or opinions4u bullshit

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:48 (ten years ago) link

abolish ban culture

we deserve better

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:49 (ten years ago) link

i agree people shd be allowed to post what they want

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:49 (ten years ago) link

the standard rhetoric is that the SB system is designed to curb low-level dickishness, and if whiney isn't the def of low-level dickishness on ILX then I don't know what

dayo, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:49 (ten years ago) link

90 days tho right?

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:50 (ten years ago) link

Gramey G. Gramsci

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:51 (ten years ago) link

can the sugbanned speak?

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:52 (ten years ago) link

i would argue that a 90 day ban for low-level dickishness is crazy

yeah this is a lol internet message board not a democratic judicial system, but no one should have posting privs revoked unless they're like outright abusive/ obviously spamming in a way that isnt lol/ posting racist shit/ posting other ppl's personal info

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:54 (ten years ago) link

30 day ban is for low level dickishness, 90 day is for low level dickishness repeated to the point of cluelessness

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:56 (ten years ago) link

anyway pretty sure whiney is just gonna dig in his heels more. it'll be pretty much whiney perm'd or the removal of the SB system whenever this comes to a head.

dayo, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:57 (ten years ago) link

Replace SB button with link to DealWithIt.gif

This isn't day care.

Kerm, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:57 (ten years ago) link

its insane either way

unban whiney

give the butthurt a killfile

everyone else dealwithit.gif

lol xposts

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:57 (ten years ago) link

also the fuck is up w/ polls being disabled on IMP?

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:58 (ten years ago) link

deal with it

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:59 (ten years ago) link

i must polltest

acoleuthic, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:00 (ten years ago) link

goddammit the SB system was designed to remove rude permanently confrontational nob-ends, not Whiney

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:01 (ten years ago) link

i see what you did there

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:01 (ten years ago) link

he took himself seriously

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:01 (ten years ago) link

for reals tho SB was introduced as an answer to "why do mods get to decide who gets banned and we the ppl dont"

the problem is, as nice a gesture it was on behalf of stet and keith to work to code it, its flawed from the outset. 51 is as arbitrary a number as etc etc etc

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:02 (ten years ago) link

How come boring people no one will ever miss never get 51'd? ~think about it~

Kerm, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:03 (ten years ago) link

everytime you click "suggest ban" a milquetoast poster gets its wings

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:04 (ten years ago) link

max got his wings!!

dayo, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:05 (ten years ago) link

you should at least have to visit a user's profile to SB them

its fucking gross that its next to EVERY SINGLE POST

I agree with this 100% BUT a killfile only blocks the user, not all the responses to that user. So you'd still get all of the clusterfuck but none of the context.

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:09 (ten years ago) link

seems like the ppl who get all up in arms abt sb are the real killjoys. i mean this was a p good punchline u have to admit.

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:09 (ten years ago) link

the ppl who want one of the funniest posters on ilx banned are the real killjoys tbh

markers, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:10 (ten years ago) link

yeah but Dom's not coming back so hey

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:11 (ten years ago) link

hmm idk i am still laughing what are u doing markers? hmm?

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:12 (ten years ago) link

like, u are killing my joy right now

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:12 (ten years ago) link

sorry bro ;_;

markers, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:13 (ten years ago) link

*killing* my *joy*

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:13 (ten years ago) link

i guess we know who the real killjoy is

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:13 (ten years ago) link

maybe people should only be able to have their sb against a poster count once, so it they are instrumental in a banning any future sb they give them doesn't count. this would help thwart unprovoked new sbs being dished out as soon as someone returns from a ban.

estela, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:16 (ten years ago) link

Jesus. I just wanted to say hello. For the love of God.

― from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 30 July 2006 17:48 (4 years ago)

acoleuthic, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:17 (ten years ago) link

I agree with this 100% BUT a killfile only blocks the user, not all the responses to that user. So you'd still get all of the clusterfuck but none of the context.

― sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Friday, February 4, 2011 3:09 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

right i get this.

would still rather live in an ILX where ppl have to deal w/ that vs one where that trumps my right to post

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:33 (ten years ago) link

maybe people should only be able to have their sb against a poster count once, so it they are instrumental in a banning any future sb they give them doesn't count. this would help thwart unprovoked new sbs being dished out as soon as someone returns from a ban.

a modest proposal but the time for modest proposals is behind us

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:33 (ten years ago) link

damn why do i always get awesome ideas late on fridays when no one is posting

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:34 (ten years ago) link

urban deeznuts

buzza, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:42 (ten years ago) link

unban everyone

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:47 (ten years ago) link

^^^

Kerm, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:52 (ten years ago) link

so for every SB'ed poster, we get a new thread about abolishing SB.

that's like getting a bottle of cyanide with every box of Cheerios

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:56 (ten years ago) link

if you consider awesome posters being banned a box of cheerios

markers, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:57 (ten years ago) link

WHICH THEY CERTAINLY ARE NOT MY FRIEND

markers, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:58 (ten years ago) link

uh, which their being banned certainly is not, rather

markers, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:58 (ten years ago) link

it's night and i'm not making sense, so later

markers, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:59 (ten years ago) link

no shit, you called whiney one of the funniest posters

plax (ico), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:00 (ten years ago) link

hey plax i know you're still kind of new here but he is

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:01 (ten years ago) link

markers, thank you for offering your snaxpert opinion.

estela, Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:02 (ten years ago) link

whiney is funny but it's like even though deej should just know when to let it go, there is something pretty annoying about somebody who knows he's going to provoke a clusterfuck response that shits up a thread continuing to do so just for his own amusement.

admittedly it was funny at first but it got to the point where I didn't wanna open up rap threads anymore.

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:05 (ten years ago) link

whiney is nowhere near as funny or as big a board asshole as ethan (whom i sb'd, i'll admit) was.

yet we carry on, however poorer for their absence.

mookieproof, Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:08 (ten years ago) link

http://threadbombing.com/data/media/2/G.smh1.gif

jeff, Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:09 (ten years ago) link

whiney is funny but it's like even though deej should just know when to let it go, there is something pretty annoying about somebody who knows he's going to provoke a clusterfuck response that shits up a thread continuing to do so just for his own amusement.

admittedly it was funny at first but it got to the point where I didn't wanna open up rap threads anymore.

― i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Friday, February 4, 2011 4:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i wont argue this.

i still think its stupid to ban someone for so long for behaving that way. grow a pair and engage them or just learn to ignore it.

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:10 (ten years ago) link

i don't really like the SB system either fwiw, i'm used to message board mods determining my fate on other boards

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:16 (ten years ago) link

oh we have plenty of that here too

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:17 (ten years ago) link

I know, I've suffered the fates several times, and one SBing!

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:17 (ten years ago) link

but I deserved them all

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:17 (ten years ago) link

echoing gr80, markers, etc. etc. & missing whiney so throwing my opinion in the hat

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:37 (ten years ago) link

Imo suggest unban would allow for trolly hateables to get the boot while divisive but lovable rogues will be free to be gangster

fuck wit my dinner with andre day (m bison), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:39 (ten years ago) link

agree with gr80 that ban unbar should be profile and not post based

fuck wit my dinner with andre day (m bison), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:40 (ten years ago) link

UNBAN

fuck wit my dinner with andre day (m bison), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:40 (ten years ago) link

or maybe when you hit 51 you have to beat a benchmark score on Arkanoid to stay

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:42 (ten years ago) link

maybe we could just have a system where you could mysteriously be sent sent to boarding school/bootcamp/juvie/who knows after your mum reads your posts?

http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:43 (ten years ago) link

Maybe if you get 51 you get to have an avatar?

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:43 (ten years ago) link

maybe the suggest tool could be turned into something absolutely helpful, like if someone posts an ugly pic of themselves in the WDYLL thread, you can 'suggest haircut'

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:44 (ten years ago) link

30 day ban is for low level dickishness, 90 day is for low level dickishness repeated to the point of cluelessness

― plax (ico), Friday, February 4, 2011 7:56 PM (1 hour ago)

lol he really got under your skin huh

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:45 (ten years ago) link

i'd be *shocked* if modship makes a retarded call like banning a sometimes annoying but ultimately harmless poster for 90 days over some bullshit

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:46 (ten years ago) link

maybe we should only ban people who are blatantly racist, abusive, posting other ppl's personal info, or non-funny spammers

~re-think banning w/ me~

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 02:49 (ten years ago) link

Well, to posit a few questions that come up every time this is discussed - where do we draw the line at racist? Abusive?

Would old-time cankles comedy racist posts be considered prejudiced? What about discussing Burzum? What about some Britisher not understanding black people?

Not really talking about myself. Just trying to draw out your whole platform.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:00 (ten years ago) link

when i say abusive i'm talking about the kind of horrible, un-clever, humorless shit no one ever posts on ILX because as a community we're almost always above it, which is what makes ILX so great compared to most other internets

speaking of cankles, its kind of funny that he's allowed to post again (don't get me wrong, i'm glad this is the case) considering his perma-banning in august of 2008 led to a backlash of posters that resulted in a rollout of the suggest ban function 4 or 5 weeks later.

also as much as mods still have poor judgment wrt non-SB long term bans, its nowhere near how bad it was under TOMBOT and his hair trigger response, making SB's obsolete?

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:17 (ten years ago) link

Draw the line where in real life you would punch them in the face or call the cops. Not where you would throw a drink in their face. Certainly not the SB system where if you're obnoxious 50 times in 6 months you get a month in solitary.

Kerm, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:30 (ten years ago) link

abolish ban culture

let us post freely

believe with me

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:32 (ten years ago) link

no way dude suggest ban is effing hilarious

am0n, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:40 (ten years ago) link

^^

Favourite Song, Album and Band? Icehouse. (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:42 (ten years ago) link

more hilarious than a board cancels, ethan, dom, and whiney can all post to?

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:46 (ten years ago) link

cankles*

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:46 (ten years ago) link

ethan hasn't been banned in ages. he just decided not to come back after the ban was lifted.

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:48 (ten years ago) link

the point stands

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:49 (ten years ago) link

dom

u drunk, meng

Favourite Song, Album and Band? Icehouse. (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:50 (ten years ago) link

he left in part cuz dom was permabanned

no beans, push to fart (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:50 (ten years ago) link

cancels(?) posts here under a new name

am0n, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:51 (ten years ago) link

he just said that

Kerm, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:52 (ten years ago) link

said what

am0n, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:53 (ten years ago) link

and what

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:54 (ten years ago) link

as far as http://i54.tinypic.com/11l4yvn.gif goes.. well http://i54.tinypic.com/11l4yvn.gif is http://i54.tinypic.com/11l4yvn.gif i guess

am0n, Saturday, 5 February 2011 03:54 (ten years ago) link

bad timing to start this terrible thread when the suggest ban function has had such a banner day

― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, February 5, 2011 12:19 AM (4 hours ago)

more otm now than ever before

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 5 February 2011 04:57 (ten years ago) link

Draw the line where in real life you would punch them in the face or call the cops. Not where you would throw a drink in their face. Certainly not the SB system where if you're obnoxious 50 times in 6 months you get a month in solitary.

― Kerm, Friday, February 4, 2011 9:30 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink[

Uh-oh. Looks like you're going to get banned too.

Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 5 February 2011 05:04 (ten years ago) link

move on.

don't concern yourself w/the dead.

work on making your posts worthwhile and being a fun kip poster who adds something to the board.

the threadstarter already does a great job of this tbh.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 5 February 2011 05:19 (ten years ago) link

you should at least have to visit a user's profile to SB them

agree with this

(don't agree with the rest of it btw but wgas.jpg, kip)

basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Saturday, 5 February 2011 05:29 (ten years ago) link

don't fret gr8080, sb or no sb i'm sure there will be many ways to keep us all fully informed about the tropical bro lyfe

mookieproof, Saturday, 5 February 2011 05:33 (ten years ago) link

me inviting mookieproof to S my B's:
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs040.snc6/167068_1716824553104_1012921167_31949337_7037556_n.jpg

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 05:59 (ten years ago) link

otm

mookieproof, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:07 (ten years ago) link

i am srsly baffled as to how this recent double sbing is a surprise to anyone at all. thats not a comment on whiney or deej, but kind of a choose your battles vibe - like is it really a shock that given the last few days this happened to either of these dudes?

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:24 (ten years ago) link

I don't think that anyone is shocked or baffled.

Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:28 (ten years ago) link

nobody said they were surprised
(xpost)

acid druthers temple (crüt), Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:28 (ten years ago) link

OPERATION: SHOCK & BAFFLE

Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:29 (ten years ago) link

Oh he said "choose your battle." Well, that's the telephone game for ya.

Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:30 (ten years ago) link

it is still a terrible system and just about every forum on the internet gets along fine without it.

bnw, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:33 (ten years ago) link

amazed at jjjusten missing the point entirely.

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:36 (ten years ago) link

i am srsly baffled as to how this recent jjjusten post is a surprise to anyone at all.

acid druthers temple (crüt), Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:37 (ten years ago) link

i just think that every time this comes up, if you boil it down to the essentials, it isnt a question of fairness, its a question of liking banned dude vs other people getting sick of banned dude doing shit that drives them crazy - whats weird to me is that the liking banned dude camp doesnt really argue the case for them, they just kinda say that people that dont enjoy banned dudes hilarious steez are pussies or jerks or humorless or assholes, often with a sorta superior fuk u newbs vibe. i get that its a bummer when somebody you enjoy gets sbed, but turning to DUMB PEEPS CANT HANDLE THE HOTBOX is a shit argument, and is just more of the same old ilx oldster priv vibe that frankly sucks

xpost oh good, now its about me

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:45 (ten years ago) link

maybe if there were a way to suggest ban the suggest ban system...

ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:46 (ten years ago) link

work on making your posts worthwhile and being a fun kip poster who adds something to the board.

the threadstarter already does a great job of this tbh.

― call all destroyer, Saturday, February 5, 2011 12:19 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

eh

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:49 (ten years ago) link

I use the SB feature all the time, but admit that it would be better for the board if there was a killfile feature.

Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:51 (ten years ago) link

who have you sb'd?

one of the things that is kinda dumm about sb is that ilx has been noticeably meaner & less fun lately but instead of ppl getting ~feedback~ right away were just going to end up w/ a bunch of random bannings in march

Lamp, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:55 (ten years ago) link

i've sb'd a lot of ppl

no beans, push to fart (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:56 (ten years ago) link

dudes, btw, it would be a lot easier to just not ever respond to this stuff when it comes up and live in fortress silent mod, but i feel like its kinda my responsibility to address it rather than just let threads get unacknowledged - but i gotta say, crut, when you do shit like that i get a little why do i bother about the whole deal.

xposts

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:56 (ten years ago) link

i used to sb people all the time but then once the expiration policy was put in place it seemed kind of pointless

ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:59 (ten years ago) link

i think ive only sb'd once out of genuine "plz stop posting, you're a terrible human being" impulse but for awhile i thought it was lol to sb ppl who had asked for their totals on the 77 thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM (Lamp), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:02 (ten years ago) link

oh def anyone who posts on that thread deserves an sb, thats a given

ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:03 (ten years ago) link

the +1 joke is a classic

bnw, Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:04 (ten years ago) link

also, no one has been permabanned because of sb iirc. which i feel is one of the things that kinda gets glossed over in these discussions - if anything permabans are less frequent with this in place. which is good, right?

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:04 (ten years ago) link

i generally agree w/that sentiment but on the other hand we have lost some of our mightiest posters to the permaban

ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:06 (ten years ago) link

if i cld choose btw getting rid of site new answers or suggest ban i would choose site new answers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM (Lamp), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:09 (ten years ago) link

yeah, site new answers is such an unavoidable presence on the board

no beans, push to fart (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:10 (ten years ago) link

right, so the big permaban list is

jw
abcmovieoftheweekfaceslap.jpg
heave
dom
roger adultery
pew
nude spock
spammer assholes
(peeps i am missing that i dont remember that somebody will bring up i am sure)

none of this is thx to sb tho

xpost: see the secret to site new answers is "set font color to light tan for iltmi the boards which you have limited interest in"

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:13 (ten years ago) link

I have iltmi to light tan! But that's so I don't get weird looks.

bamcquern, Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:15 (ten years ago) link

i miss backwater boards

will never miss whiney or deej.

it's a good point though that 'Suggest Ban' next to every post is oppressive. aesthetically it just looks mean

harl (harlan), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:17 (ten years ago) link

yeah its been pointed out a million times but its just so negative, theres no button for loving someone

ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:18 (ten years ago) link

gabbneb was permab& after his 102 iirc

fwiw my problem w/ sna is that it prevents any of the subboards from developing & maintaing a distinct personality & stlye bcuz ppl just sort of read & post to everything

well except I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX no1 reads that board

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM (Lamp), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:18 (ten years ago) link

the problem is if you read I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX it blows yr mind and you cant post anymore

ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:19 (ten years ago) link

stet once said that the code could be written for boards to opt out of site new answers. that would be dope.

harl (harlan), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:21 (ten years ago) link

huh you might be right about gabbneb - if so thats probably dumb and should be reversed because dude was never a real problem iirc. so hey gabbneb if you are reading this come home all is forgiven (until yer next sb)

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:23 (ten years ago) link

the lack of a like button to offset the sb is a big part of this phenomenon btw: "it isnt a question of fairness, its a question of liking banned dude".

bnw, Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:26 (ten years ago) link

also as far as i can tell deeznuts and burt were both permab& after just 51 burt even had a thinly-veiled new account he made mod banned like six months after he was 51'd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM (Lamp), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:27 (ten years ago) link

no one would ever get sb'd w/ a counter button

you'd need like 75-80 diff ppl to SB you just to reach 50 prob

no beans, push to fart (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:28 (ten years ago) link

just to be clear here - outside of crazy real deal racist/sexist/homophobic bullshit from the heart and stalky personal creepy i am pretty much 1000% agin permabans - and thats prob why i am capn pro sb, because i think its like a parolee thing. which gets back to the last 2 sbs - whiney was kinda willfully hell bent for sb leather, and deej was sorta so wrapped up in the whole impenetrable me right u rong vibe that maybe a timeout isnt the worst thing ever for either of them.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:31 (ten years ago) link

i used to sb people all the time but then once the expiration policy was put in place it seemed kind of pointless

― ice cr?m, Saturday, February 5, 2011 1:59 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is why i frequently refresh my SBs on people i desire to see banned - not sure how long theyre in the system but i dont want to be the guy who could push someone over the top and failed to do so

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:38 (ten years ago) link

fwiw in my head i still blame the advent of SNA for a couple of my old bans - it was just such a sea change and i'd suddenly find myself exposed to all kinds of threads i previously would've ignored, like R.I.P. threads for guys in power pop bands

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:42 (ten years ago) link

i just noticed recently that you can customize your SNA view though which is cool - bye bye ILM and ILTMI!

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:43 (ten years ago) link

i do feel like getting 51'd now that they expire is a much more impressive feat its like we're in the open era of annoying other ilx posters

but man since tombot stopped modding these threads are so much less hilarious cf. mods are manipulating suggest ban totals fyi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM (Lamp), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:44 (ten years ago) link

a bold suggestion: imprison all sb'd posters to I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX for three months

Favourite Song, Album and Band? Icehouse. (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:47 (ten years ago) link

*makes drinky drinky motion*

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 5 February 2011 07:50 (ten years ago) link

ok that thread is hilarious (much because of my serious mod is serious vibe at that point whoops)

but the gem (and plz dont take this as a rescinding of the kip jjj and gr8080 beef destructo) is:

hey everyone wouldnt this issue totally go away if a SB resulted in a TEMP BAN instead of a PERMA BAN????

i mean think about this.

― gr8080, Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:31 AM (2 years ago)

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, 5 February 2011 08:04 (ten years ago) link

http://i55.tinypic.com/2nq7jbq.gif

jeff, Saturday, 5 February 2011 08:50 (ten years ago) link

fyi meant a 3-day temp ban like the good old days when I posted that. 60 days is rediculous.

jjjusten I appreciate you playing the role of "only mod to hear this out" but it would be cool if you addressed my SB vs Killfile argument as stated in the OP. and while you're at it address the disgusting existence on a SB button next to every single post- something that sets ILX apart as asshole msgboard #1 on the internets.

fwiw I don't think kate is a bro and I fucking can't stand her posts but I still think it's bullshit she can lose posting privs to a board she's spent years of her life on just because 51 people anonymously bullied her to that point.

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 10:16 (ten years ago) link

suggest ban is for shit. so is killfile, but that's up to the moron who institutes it for him/herself.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 February 2011 10:27 (ten years ago) link

also re: my hilarious post you quoted: iirc when SB's were first rolled out it was understood that it was a permanent ban. 51'd posters being allowed to return came later.

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 10:28 (ten years ago) link

Draw the line where in real life you would punch them in the face or call the cops. Not where you would throw a drink in their face. Certainly not the SB system where if you're obnoxious 50 times in 6 months you get a month in solitary.

― Kerm, Friday, February 4, 2011 9:30 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Uh-oh. Looks like you're going to get banned too.

― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, February 5, 2011 12:04 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

wut?

Kerm, Saturday, 5 February 2011 10:37 (ten years ago) link

I am so much a lover of freedom that I don't even sb evildoers

Ayo Scott (rip van wanko), Saturday, 5 February 2011 12:15 (ten years ago) link

ok i am going to sound a total bitch right now but every single fucking time i went to post on ANY ONE of the threads about 'last train to paris', because i wanted to talk about how much i liked that record w/ ppl whose opinions i wanted to hear, it had just been taken over by tedious whiney/deej/somedude/whoever else in-biting bullshit, and i thought 'well fuck this' and fucked off. Yes they are all valued posters - certainly more integral to the life of ilx or w/e than i am - but lately it's felt like month upon month of every fucking thread skunk-sprayed with the same vicious clique being aggy and sniping at each other and frankly the thought that i'll get at least a month of ilxing without having to see deej and whiney bitching at each other fills me with relief.

and i didn't even have to sb either of them myself! (this time)

c sharp major, Saturday, 5 February 2011 13:51 (ten years ago) link

otm

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 5 February 2011 13:58 (ten years ago) link

i often think that the sb system sucks and was a terrible idea, but then every time i also remember that it got rid of dom, so for that reason alone i am fine with it.

lextasy refix (lex pretend), Saturday, 5 February 2011 13:58 (ten years ago) link

So we've got talk on this thread about permabans (including a list), a mod misses the point on the OP and then pulls the "why should I even bother!" card, a discussion on whether users should be able to view all of the site's new answers at once, and maybe a fifth of the thread actually talking about sb's vs killfiles. Great job, everyone!

Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:21 (ten years ago) link

Okay, personally I think killfiles are a bad idea. If I killfiled someone, I'd still have to read everybody's responses to them on whatever thread we were mutually posting on. When you sb someone, you take them out f the picture entirely for like a month, and for the most part when they happen it's a total fucking relief.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:31 (ten years ago) link

x-post Yeah but that's not exactly surprising, is it?

I don't have a problem with any of these guys individually but everything CSM said is totally right. I've avoided many threads because the discussion seems to get derailed by cattiness and dumb bitching between a small group of people. Maybe some people find that interesting to read but I can't really think of anything I'd want to read less. OK, that's and exaggeration but you know what I mean.

I used to be totally against the SB system and I'm still not really sure where I stand on it but it seems to have worked pretty damn well today. Yes, I've used it, but I'd be surprised if I've ever done so more than 10 times in total. I think it should be reserved for extreme situations only but anyway for now I'm happy that it exists and forces some people to have necessary breaks. Maybe when they return they can grow up a little and stop acting like middle schoolers and fucking up perfectly good threads.

So I guess I'm in favor of keeping SB but I do like the idea of putting the button on the user profile instead of next to each and every post.

ENBB, Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:39 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, that's probably not a bad idea.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:41 (ten years ago) link

And everybody's profile should have the user's baby picture on it, to drive home the fact that they too once were innocent.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:42 (ten years ago) link

my only recommendation would be some kind of auto-notification system for when you're getting close

what does placing the SB button in the user profile do - some sort of peta "you must yourself kill the cow you're going to eat" type deal?

dayo, Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:43 (ten years ago) link

does anyone actually look at user profile pages?

call all destroyer, Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:44 (ten years ago) link

probably not but if the SB button was there I'm sure they would

ENBB, Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:45 (ten years ago) link

most of them are empty?

the point of having the SB button next to the post is it gives some indication - a vague one sometimes but still - of what a poster says that actually makes people want them to go sit on the naughty step for a month

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:48 (ten years ago) link

Yeah but nobody sees that except mods so I don't really see how that's helpful.

I just thought that putting it in the profile might make people less likely to SB left and right for every little post and reserve it for more serious occasions.

ENBB, Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:50 (ten years ago) link

On the contrary tho, it might make the SB a personal grudge thing rather than a response to specific acts of dickery? I freely admit to having a wobbly SB finger but I've honestly never clicked somebody just because of who they are. Admittedly some people have a habit of being annoying repeatedly but I do wait until I'm actively annoyed.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:52 (ten years ago) link

man I was totally going to do That's When I Reach for My SB Button as a dn but what's the point after it's already a thread title

dayo, Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:56 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, there is that.

Oh fuck it, I don't know. It's obviously a very flawed system and in a lot of ways I'm still inclined to think that people should just stop being babies and learn to deal with it and ignore posters they don't like. However, in this particular instance and it's probably the first time I can actually say this, I'm glad to see certain people SBd. It was just too much! I felt like parts of the board were taken over by stupid unfunny beefs between a couple of posters.

In regards to the killfile thing I'll echo what other people have said and don't really see that as a great solution because you'd still have to view the responses and ensuing clusterfucks etc. around people that you've killfiled. Also, I'm not a child and, for the most part, can read but gloss over the posts of people I don't like.

ENBB, Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:57 (ten years ago) link

not gloss over but you know what I mean - read but ignore or whatever

ENBB, Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:59 (ten years ago) link

I can't think of anybody who got 51d where there wasn't clear and obvious reasons why it might've happened, right or wrong.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:06 (ten years ago) link

I only started using killfile recently & it's been very nice; the posters I've ~~eliminated~~ annoyed me but seem ok to others, & threads still flow fine to me.

Maybe a first thing before pushing strongly for replacing sb with killfile would be for more posters to see how they like ILX with the ones they dread killfiled. Like maybe the dynamic of the board would change a lot if killfile were more widespread & the things that lead to sbs would be reduced (if there's a troll in the thread & nobody reads it, is it really a troll?)

Euler, Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:10 (ten years ago) link

a board full of people talking to themselves would just be

no, I got nothing. sorry.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:11 (ten years ago) link

btw the reason i didnt address the the points in the original post is that i didnt think my response was gonna be terribly edifying - basically it would be that i think the sb system works just fine, i think killfile is super annoying and dont see why peeps should have to do that just so other peeps can act however they want, and as for the big problem with the sb link being by every post - i honestly dont understand at all what the issue with that is at all. plus it is the only way mods can tell why someone is getting the sbs, which ive shared with any high sb poster that asks.

i actually think that sb by user profile would make the whole system way shittier, more likely to be personal/vindictive, and more impenetrable.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:14 (ten years ago) link

and annoyingly i am about to leave for work so if that needs clarification im not going to be back for a bit, so i swear im not ignoring you

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:15 (ten years ago) link

haha yeah I don't think it'd work like that exactly; my guess is that the same small group of people would be killfiled...which is why thinking that sb & killfile could play a similar functional role in ~improving the board~ is reasonable imo

xp to nv

Euler, Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:16 (ten years ago) link

the comedy prospects of that are intriguing but I wd want some sort of inverted site view where you could visit the valley of the killfiled and see what it looks like

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:17 (ten years ago) link

y'all know that you can set up which boards show up on your Site New Answers view, right?

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:19 (ten years ago) link

i dunno, i've used sb more as a "u need a break" thing than a "i actually dislike u" thing--in some cases it's been posters whose posts i oftentimes like but they've kind of gone off the rails w/r/t signal:noise ratio. i don't think there's anyone on this board today who i've found so awful that i never, ever want to read what they have to say.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:19 (ten years ago) link

(many xposts)

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:19 (ten years ago) link

comedy response would be ILM but it's not what I think & anyway your q is butthurt catnip so I'm gonna stay away

xp to nv again

Euler, Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:21 (ten years ago) link

i mean there've been some o_O SBs but like why is it every time a completely obvious one happens, there's an ILX tribunal? Like it's the damning evidence that finally exposes the fatal flaw in the system?

I mean I like Whiney and deej both and would never vote for them to be excommunicated, but I mean asking "why?" is like saying "How come Michael Hutchence doesn't answer the phone when I call?"

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:22 (ten years ago) link

imo, give whiney and deej 30 days off -- and when they come back, as a permanent punishment, ban Whiney from 'based god' nicknames, and deej from 'kl0p' nicknames as a permanent reminder of the ramifications of thread-shitting-up

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:23 (ten years ago) link

I think the best solution is when whiney and deej come back, permanently killfile them from each other

dayo, Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:25 (ten years ago) link

won't stop them. then we'll get the 'hypothetical' beef

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:25 (ten years ago) link

"if whiney just made a sarcastic dismissal of a Gucci mixtape TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF"

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:26 (ten years ago) link

I don't think a killfile function would be like reading a thread with one of the stereo channels turned off or that there would be these gaping holes in the conversation. Users would likely not killfile anyone they want to engage with on a regular basis, and when you think about it really, this whole board sometimes sounds like a bunch of Sixth Sense ghosts talking about similar topics inside a thread.

For example, though I think I make some pretty good points, if you were to have me killfile and couldn't read this, your posting experience wouldn't be much different in all likelihood.

Putting the SB button on the profile and adding that extra step would be as effective as only selling alcohol from state-owned liquor stores. People are still going to get fucked up, even if they have to drive to the county line or walk the extra block.

Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:26 (ten years ago) link

I feel like liberal use of the killfile would turn ILX into the message board equivalent of those garfield cartoons w/ the captions removed

dayo, Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:28 (ten years ago) link

killfile paranoia, unbearable

ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:29 (ten years ago) link

killfile to me = "just put up with AssholePosterA's really irritating behavior and ignore them", which kind of means let people be dicks without repercussion.

yea, if someone is merely annoying to you, I don't think that's grounds for SB at all. there's always people we don't like. however, in many cases, pedantic and frequent derailing personal arguments/insults and/or all-out dickheaded behavior really clusterfuck up threads and ruin them for everybody.

A distinction between these two types of behavior is important, and kind of illustrates why neither killfile or SB are the real answer. People should have to deal with the fact that they'll find some people annoying, and if they wanna killfile em, so be it...but there is behavior that goes beyond "annoying" and into "disruptive", and those people should be dealt with.

--spoken as a man who has been banned from more message boards then I can count on 7 hands.

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:31 (ten years ago) link

And everybody's profile should have the user's baby picture on it, to drive home the fact that they too once were innocent.
― Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Saturday, February 5, 2011 2:42 PM

^A+ post imo btw

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 5 February 2011 16:03 (ten years ago) link

peron! peron! peron!

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 17:00 (ten years ago) link

I was sick and tired of deej and whiney fucking up every thread too but I chose to be an adult and engage them when it was an option and ignore them when it wasn't.

your SB vote should be made public, not be a chickenshit anonymous move.

also re: how weird threads would get with killfile: it's a pretty standard function on lots of other message boards who don't seem to have that problem at all whereas ILX is the only board to give you an option to kick off another poster next to every post.

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 17:27 (ten years ago) link

problem is no matter how often some of us said "knock off the beef", it...kept...on....going.

no disrespect to either of em cuz they're valid contributors, and I want em back, but...I think both of em need time off

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 18:07 (ten years ago) link

i wd like a killfile system

i like lucy (surm), Saturday, 5 February 2011 18:11 (ten years ago) link

mods are manipulating suggest ban totals fyi

classic thread, classic closing post

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Saturday, 5 February 2011 18:11 (ten years ago) link

keep it negative dickhole 77 zing posse

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 18:49 (ten years ago) link

clearly!

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Saturday, 5 February 2011 18:56 (ten years ago) link

Maybe when someone gets sb'ed their posts can be displayed only in WingDings font

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 18:59 (ten years ago) link

understand people getting annoyed with snipe fest but it still holds that you need to post in the way you want the board to be. Sitting idly by with your arms crossed is just passive-aggressive worthlessness.

bnw, Saturday, 5 February 2011 19:08 (ten years ago) link

Sitting idly by with your arms crossed is just passive-aggressive worthlessness.

except when that's the way we want the board to be: quieter.

where'd ya get that crapp? (pixel farmer), Saturday, 5 February 2011 19:17 (ten years ago) link

Bnw like 70 people gave them direct feedback in the threads geez

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 20:07 (ten years ago) link

At least 51 people each have offered direct feedback in the last 6 months.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 20:12 (ten years ago) link

i mean some dude gave deej several "come on, cool out w/ it" posts in the new Diddy album thread a few months ago, and they were all otm comments

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 20:19 (ten years ago) link

and by few months ago I mean more like one, geez January felt long

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 20:20 (ten years ago) link

a bold suggestion: imprison all sb'd posters to I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX for three months
--Favourite Song, Album and Band? Icehouse. (King Boy Pato)

i would like to enthusiastically endorse this idea

max, Saturday, 5 February 2011 20:29 (ten years ago) link

^^^

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 February 2011 20:40 (ten years ago) link

The current killfile script thingo only works if you only ever use Firefox. These days a lot of us spend most of our ilx time ON IPHONE and therefore have stuff-all access to scripts &c.

One thing that strikes me about this particular 51 is the sheer number of people (inc. me) who were fed up with wgw's dickishness but didn't sb him. Clearly waaaaaay more than 51 people had had enough.

That's not to say that I support the sb system btw but I'm not prepared to argue my point yet again because it makes no difference.

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 5 February 2011 23:16 (ten years ago) link

I would fully endorse getting rid of the suggest ban system if I could be allowed to permanently ban a list of people from the boards.

Indolence Mission (DJP), Saturday, 5 February 2011 23:22 (ten years ago) link

I am pretty sure I can guess one of the people on that list.

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 23:23 (ten years ago) link

One thing that strikes me about this particular 51 is the sheer number of people (inc. me) who were fed up with wgw's dickishness but didn't sb him.

Yeah, this has been particularly noticeable this time.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Saturday, 5 February 2011 23:37 (ten years ago) link

I'm pretty stoked DJP gave up on being a site mod!

gr8080, Saturday, 5 February 2011 23:37 (ten years ago) link

i feel like it might be a nice to have suggest bans be executed on single boards only

max, Saturday, 5 February 2011 23:40 (ten years ago) link

gr80, you normally one of the board's most relaxed people, but sbanning discussions bring out the apoplectic PTA mom in you.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Sunday, 6 February 2011 00:01 (ten years ago) link

I'll take that as a compliment!

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 00:20 (ten years ago) link

sometimes fighting for what u believe in is nagl :-(

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 00:21 (ten years ago) link

posting

is the ILX source code still available? i kinda wanna poke around and see how difficult it would be to implement some stuff..

talk talk talk (diamonddave85), Sunday, 6 February 2011 01:59 (ten years ago) link

I used to think the sb system was pretty ridiculous but I feel like mods should be given props for making it more reasonable w/ clearing out old sbs + turning it into a 1 month break instead of a permaban. anyone who posts here enough to get 51 sbs could use a 1 month break from this site once in a while. whereas a easy-to-use killfile system would be pretty disruptive and unpleasant.

iatee, Sunday, 6 February 2011 02:34 (ten years ago) link

anyone who posts here enough to get 51 sbs could use a 1 month break from this site once in a while.

i hate when ppl cop this 'tude. even when some of my favorite posters cop it. fuck you i'll leave ILX when i want to thanks.

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 02:39 (ten years ago) link

look, you're coming at this from the perspective of someone who was banned for a ridiculous reason and I could understand having a kneejerk reaction towards mods and bannings, I might too if I were in your position. but I dunno how many times a day you refresh ilx but I can say for me the number is 'probably too many'. this is one website among millions and a month without being able to say something is such a lol punishment that it's not even worth arguing about anymore. (it was worth arguing about when it was a permaban.)

iatee, Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:00 (ten years ago) link

in conclusion no man ever sits in his deathbed and thinks "I wish I had spent more time reading whiney and deej beef with each other"

iatee, Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:01 (ten years ago) link

I'm pretty stoked DJP gave up on being a site mod

Me too, because now I can tell you what a useless waste of space you are without having a chorus of people screaming that I'm abusing mod powers.

Fuck off, you useless shit-stirrer.

Indolence Mission (DJP), Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:08 (ten years ago) link

iatee i agree w/ what yr saying but imo ppl need to make that decision for themselves. fwiw i was against sb's before by stupid 60-day ban, and i was against it before i took a self-imposed hiatus for over a year.

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:20 (ten years ago) link

DJP stay on topic, please.

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:21 (ten years ago) link

even though ive (rarely) clicked the SB button myself i'm pretty resolutely against the function, and i don't see how anyone could be for it given its history

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:34 (ten years ago) link

oh i understand why people are in favor of it, i just think its kind of gross that it exists

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:39 (ten years ago) link

I actually think few people are aware of the fact that the sb system was created to keep minorities off ilx xp

iatee, Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:39 (ten years ago) link

if SB's aren't going away can we add a "suggest stay" button next to every post?

http://www.acegcs.net/Storefront/images/KIP_Circle_Logo.jpg

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:41 (ten years ago) link

Suggest ASBO

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:48 (ten years ago) link

Me too, because now I can tell you what a useless waste of space you are without having a chorus of people screaming that I'm abusing mod powers.

Fuck off, you useless shit-stirrer.

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Saturday, February 5, 2011 10:08 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

rude!!

max, Sunday, 6 February 2011 04:13 (ten years ago) link

tombot-esque!

harl (harlan), Sunday, 6 February 2011 04:13 (ten years ago) link

harlan!

max, Sunday, 6 February 2011 04:14 (ten years ago) link

funny thing is people forget ethan even stanned for the SB system

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 04:16 (ten years ago) link

this thread and the lineage from which it comes are the strongest arguments in favor of keeping the sb system, think about how much comedy drama we would miss out on otherwise

dayo, Sunday, 6 February 2011 04:22 (ten years ago) link

to everybody complaining about the system I suggest man up and dealwithit.gif

dayo, Sunday, 6 February 2011 04:26 (ten years ago) link

sb'd you for that

bnw, Sunday, 6 February 2011 04:29 (ten years ago) link

the amount of weed carrying that gets done for mods around here is sickening btw, let them defend themselves, they have all the power

max, Sunday, 6 February 2011 04:31 (ten years ago) link

So since this us kinda winding down - just to clarify there aren't any actual arguments in this thread for getting rid of suggest ban other than

1. I don't like it
2. People I like get sbed so sb is bad
3. It is gross because having it by every post makes ilx look bad to the rest of the Internet
4. It enables sissies/pussies/the thin skinned/the passive aggressive and they should directly approach the sbed dude because that is what I think I would do if I were them

Absolutely none of which is convincing to me at all.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Sunday, 6 February 2011 05:19 (ten years ago) link

uh oh

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 05:40 (ten years ago) link

god save the mod

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 05:48 (ten years ago) link

5. 51 is an arbitrary number especially considering there's no "suggest stay" KIP BRO

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 05:56 (ten years ago) link

6. reject ban culture

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 05:58 (ten years ago) link

Right but any number is a arbitrary number so I don't see what that has to do with anything really xpost

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Sunday, 6 February 2011 05:58 (ten years ago) link

thats exactly the point that I'm making about why SB's are gross

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:02 (ten years ago) link

Balance it out with a "suggest stay" or get rid of it. 51 is bullshit.

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:03 (ten years ago) link

that was a bullshit summary, jjjusten. You'd do much better saying you hear the arguments against but still think it serves a purpose, etc. Being totally dismissive just makes people who don't like the system feel they aren't being heard at all.

bnw, Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:10 (ten years ago) link

and also this "people I like get sb'd" is no worse then "people I don't like, I sb" i.e. why do we need a reason to justify not banning someone if the sb system requires no such reason to ban someone?

bnw, Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:13 (ten years ago) link

im not being dismissive, im being honest. i honestly see absolutely no other arguments being raised here, and if someone wants to point out what im missing thats great. but i dont actually think i am, and i think this kind of always boils down to i want the board to be this way vs someone else wanting the board to be a different way - which means that no matter what, people dont get what they want.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:22 (ten years ago) link

also i think that yer setting up a false dichotomy there in the second post - it seems kinda clear that people are sbing for reasons beyond i dont like this person, ie this person is making me avoid threads i want to participate in, or this person is abusing other posters and that makes this feel like this is a hostile environment where i better not open my mouth unless i am willing to take the heat. that goes far beyond oh shit this dude is a dick (which sure happens), but equating that to i like this person and now i cant read their posts for a month is kinda not in the same ballpark.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:28 (ten years ago) link

I'm going to concede that I've lost this argument.

But before Pashmina or someone else shows up to do the whole "fucks sake, people" *lock thread* routine, I want say that I started this thread to constructively address something I honestly feel is bad about a messageboard I otherwise really like. Not to have some fun stirring up shit for laughs.

Less sitewide bans in general, 51 or otherwise imo

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:34 (ten years ago) link

fucks sake people

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:35 (ten years ago) link

psst, incidentally: the way that there will be less people banned is if less people USE the suggestban function
and i know you don't use it either grady. but a great number of people do.

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:36 (ten years ago) link

Lets get back to thread/board/3-day bans

Tomboy's been gone for a while now

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:38 (ten years ago) link

Tombot too

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:38 (ten years ago) link

Stop Sbitchin'

Kerm, Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:43 (ten years ago) link

'I am going to swing this knife in your direction and you get cut it's yoooooour fault'

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:45 (ten years ago) link

this whole thing reminds me of a really bad pickup basketball game

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:51 (ten years ago) link

the amount of weed carrying that gets done for mods banned posters around here is sickening btw, let them defend themselves not be retarded dickheads, they have all the power

call all destroyer, Sunday, 6 February 2011 07:18 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/hcpIK.gif

dayo, Sunday, 6 February 2011 07:39 (ten years ago) link

hahaha

no beans, push to fart (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 07:40 (ten years ago) link

loooooooooooooooooool

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 07:41 (ten years ago) link

ie this person is making me avoid threads i want to participate in, or this person is abusing other posters and that makes this feel like this is a hostile environment where i better not open my mouth unless i am willing to take the heat.

this is so, so otm, esp the latter part

just1n3, Sunday, 6 February 2011 08:10 (ten years ago) link

markers, thank you for offering your snaxpert opinion.

― estela, Friday, February 4, 2011 9:02 PM (2 days ago)

<3

markers, Sunday, 6 February 2011 16:35 (ten years ago) link

Hundreds of responses already but I should probably point out that THERE IS ALREADY A KILLFILE SYSTEM. Killfiling doesn't really work with posters like Deej and Whiney because as mentioned above you still get all of the annoying clusterfuck that goes with them.

ok i am going to sound a total bitch right now but every single fucking time i went to post on ANY ONE of the threads about 'last train to paris', because i wanted to talk about how much i liked that record w/ ppl whose opinions i wanted to hear, it had just been taken over by tedious whiney/deej/somedude/whoever else in-biting bullshit, and i thought 'well fuck this' and fucked off. Yes they are all valued posters - certainly more integral to the life of ilx or w/e than i am - but lately it's felt like month upon month of every fucking thread skunk-sprayed with the same vicious clique being aggy and sniping at each other and frankly the thought that i'll get at least a month of ilxing without having to see deej and whiney bitching at each other fills me with relief.

and i didn't even have to sb either of them myself! (this time)

― c sharp major, Saturday, 5 February 2011 13:51 (Yesterday)

This is OTM and bears repeating. Whiney and Deej really were ruining ILM over the last few weeks. I don't think anyone is suggesting that either of them be permanently banned but really a time-out will be good for the board and hopefully the posters themselves.

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:28 (ten years ago) link

i often think that the sb system sucks and was a terrible idea, but then every time i also remember that it got rid of dom, so for that reason alone i am fine with it.

― lextasy refix (lex pretend), Saturday, 5 February 2011 13:58 (Yesterday)

This is wrong, Dom was a mod ban rather than a Suggest Ban. One of the many reasons he hasn't been allowed back.

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:29 (ten years ago) link

it is still a terrible system and just about every forum on the internet gets along fine without it.

― bnw, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:33 (Yesterday)

Yes but most other forums on the internet are fucking terrible - ILX should be BETTER than other internet forums, it's the whole point. I think it was Noodle Vague who said that the primary job of mods should be to prevent ILX becoming like the rest of the internet.

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:34 (ten years ago) link

idk, c sharp major is entitled to her point of view, but there are regular posters out there who are 100x more unpleasant and uninteresting than whiney, and who never get suggest-banned or even mildly censured -- but im hardly going to ask the board to change its ways just because im right and they're not

it's pretty simple mathematics that the most visible posters will get sb'd the most, which is one reason why it's a dumb system

a gadfly within the ranks of the nationalist far right (history mayne), Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:38 (ten years ago) link

suggest ban system has made ilx more like metafilter, which is fine for some i guess, but i stopped reading metafilter years ago because ilx was so much funnier

max, Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:41 (ten years ago) link

at what point will you stop reading ilx max

flopson, Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:48 (ten years ago) link

flopsonned

am0n, Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:49 (ten years ago) link

there are regular posters out there who are 100x more unpleasant and uninteresting than whiney, and who never get suggest-banned or even mildly censured

This is obviously subject to individual opinion. If poster x were never suggb'd, however annoying or boring they are to you, then 50 other posters didn't agree with you.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:50 (ten years ago) link

I think the reason Whiney gets SBed so often is because while there are bigger dicks on the boards, when he's being a dick he's being so in a very prolific way, and on an awful lot of threads.

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:53 (ten years ago) link

Matt OTM. I mean even if he got SBed for like 17% of the annoying, dickish 'troll'-y posts he made, 17% of like 1,783 still equals more than 51.

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:58 (ten years ago) link

This is wrong, Dom was a mod ban rather than a Suggest Ban

i guess this is true but when he was first b& a big deal was made out of the fact that dom had also received 51 suggest bans which felt like an attempt to bolster 'the case' against him

I don't think anyone is suggesting that either of them be permanently banned but really a time-out will be good for the board and hopefully the posters themselves.

ill suggest it. i mean if ppl are this annoyed by them why not? what purpose does sb even serve if you just keep letting ppl back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM (Lamp), Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:59 (ten years ago) link

xpost(that said I actually found the beef posts amusing up until like the last two weeks -- but, like others have said, just because I found it amusing doesn't mean I should expect everyone to).

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 17:59 (ten years ago) link

Maybe for SB to function more democratically we should allow people to campaign openly and canvass SBers. Perhaps threads titled "Ban ______" could be used for this.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:00 (ten years ago) link

I also think the main problem many people have with these "Remove SB" threads are:

1. They're often very condescending, either directly or indirectly, to anybody who contributed to a recent SB
2. They often chastise people for using the system that they have the right to use
3. They sometimes come off as "you guys suck cuz you banned someone I like, everyone should think like me".

Maybe don't start off so confrontational and alienate people from the onset!

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:01 (ten years ago) link

whiney was actually banned on 3 november -- this must be a record for re-banning?

a gadfly within the ranks of the nationalist far right (history mayne), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:01 (ten years ago) link

I'm pretty sure Gabbnebb got there quicker, but yeah it was very quick.

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:03 (ten years ago) link

will it really be 90 days though?

flopson, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:03 (ten years ago) link

Re: tyranny of the majority --
decisions made by a majority under that system would place that majority's interests so far above a dissenting individual's interest that the individual would be actively oppressed

What would the dissenting individual's interest be here? Developing an aesthetic of uncivility?

where'd ya get that crapp? (pixel farmer), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:04 (ten years ago) link

also i have to say i think deej getting 51'd is particularly mean-spirited because his obtuse efforts at understanding just why he annoyed so many other posters was so sad & charming & authentic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM (Lamp), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:05 (ten years ago) link

reminding ILXors that ILX is the internet, and not say, COMPARABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:05 (ten years ago) link

^^^ talks democracy but favours the jackboot of STFU

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:07 (ten years ago) link

The 90-day figure is one of the reasons why these threads can be so exapserating - what actually happened is that someone said "he's gone for 90 days now, right?" which wasn't actually confirmed or suggested by any of the mods, and before you know it there are people going "90 day ban is some bullshit" when it was never on the table in the first place.

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:07 (ten years ago) link

what's this i hear about rob lowe being new celebrity guest mod and that all old posters are hereby IP banned forever? an outrage i tell you

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:08 (ten years ago) link

yeah what matt dc is saying is that whiney is not going to be banned for 90 days

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:10 (ten years ago) link

and will be promoted to Duke

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:11 (ten years ago) link

so 30, then?

flopson, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:15 (ten years ago) link

xp lamp -- agree but altho i didn't & would never sb deej i imagine many ppl's motivations were of the "this guy needs a break" variety rather than just wanting him to fuck off forever bc they think he totally sucks. deej contributes positively to ilx a lot & he seemed honestly hurt that ppl weren't acknowledging it as a result of the extent that the ilx universe had begun to revolve around his conflicts w/ other posters -- which obv he brought onto himself. whiney otoh contributes almost nothing but snark & thrives on conflict, altho often in a v funny & entertaining way--feels it's more just him fulfilling a regular obligation of his function on the board

last & i think only time i ever sb'd whiney was like 8 months ago or something & altho it's too soon the synergy is beautiful & it's perfect the way this worked out

flopson, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:22 (ten years ago) link

hey san te sorry i alienated you from the start

by all means keep using the sb system as is your god given right, i'm ok

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:27 (ten years ago) link

It might be longer than 30 given that he's been SBed so many times, but there's no hard-and-fast rule for multiple SBs, it's on a case-by-case basis.

From what I can see bans tend not to bother Whiney too much, which is fine in a way but not in another because he doesn't have any apparent interest in modifying his posting style to avoid them. So maybe it should be longer this time, but it's not really my call (and certainly not exclusively mine
).

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:31 (ten years ago) link

lol well ill repeat - why even bother letting him back then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM (Lamp), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:33 (ten years ago) link

got to, this america man

flopson, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:35 (ten years ago) link

maybe when you guys thread ban someone you should nix the sb's accumulated in that thread, otherwise ppl are getting punished twice

bnw, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:35 (ten years ago) link

snot whiney

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:36 (ten years ago) link

THERE IS ALREADY A KILLFILE SYSTEM.

i guess i shouldnt expect anyone to read 300 posts on this but what i was advocating was replacing a SB system that is written into the code and works on all browsers and has an option to vote for a poster's removal next to every post on the board w/ a killfile system that had those same qualities

the current killfile system is "complicated to install" compared to SBing, and only works on firefox anyway.

Yes but most other forums on the internet are fucking terrible - ILX should be BETTER than other internet forums, it's the whole point. I think it was Noodle Vague who said that the primary job of mods should be to prevent ILX becoming like the rest of the internet.

agree w/ this for the most part but the current SB system is still nagl. this is totally anecdotal, (as is "the rest of the internet sucks!") but the board most regular/former ILXors post/lurk on in a similar way is board.crewcial.org which has practically no modding and a killfile system built in to the code

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:38 (ten years ago) link

i feel like being permanently banned from multiple threads would be worse than being banned outright for 30 days

no beans, push to fart (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:38 (ten years ago) link

many xposts

gr8080 - wasn't solely directed at your thread, or even you at all, actually so far this thread has been a bit more civil than some of the other "Get Rid of SB" threads, mostly due to the absence of a certain person from this thread. It's just at times in this thread, and in the others, it seems to always reach a point where someone (not even necessarily the OP) going "PPL WHO BANNED (NAME) ARE ASSHOLES AND SHAME ON THEM FOR BEING BUTTHURT BY WHAT (NAME) SAID ON (DATE)."

But I'm actually on your side, I am not really in favor of SB system, just saying in general, those who make the argument draw more flies with honey.

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:41 (ten years ago) link

what if the SB system was like Yellow Card in which every time you got SBed, a little yellow tag showed up at the top of your screen, along with a personal message. and then for every new SB, it adds another yellow tag.

eventually when you accumulate enough it'll take up the entire screen, and be an entire yellow screen and you can't post. at all. until some roll off.

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:43 (ten years ago) link

like the whole logic behind this 'bro needs a break' sb thing is fucking patronzing & lame. i can understand ppl that h8 whiney - i mean man i h8 whiney - but no amount of 'breaks' from ilx is going to change who he is. all it means that for a 1/3 of every year he get to hear his opinions about rap music via goon squaders posting aim transcripts instead of directly or w/e

k8 was right that sb doesnt provide any real incentive to be a 'better poster' - deej was trying in his way to do this already - it just punishes ppl for being unlikeable. & if whiney's antagonistic hipster oracle steez was that terrible - & i think we can all agree it was p terrible - than fine, ban him from ilx if thats what ppl want

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM (Lamp), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:43 (ten years ago) link

get ovr it man

a gadfly within the ranks of the nationalist far right (history mayne), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:45 (ten years ago) link

alright, this fucking guy http://twitter.com/#!/WhineyArea51

no beans, push to fart (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:47 (ten years ago) link

honest question, because i can't remember: were bans/talk of bans/fear of bans/300+ threads on bans ever this big a part of ILX culture before nu-code/TOMBOT era?

bring back ILX where most bans were from specific threads or boards and done by sub board mods unless for shit on the big 2 and a 3-day ban was the norm not 30

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:48 (ten years ago) link

new rule, ppl shd be nice

fuck wit my dinner with andre day (m bison), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:48 (ten years ago) link

ok xposts nm perma-ban whiney

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:49 (ten years ago) link

― fear of a wack banning (J0rdan S.), Saturday, November 7, 2009 3:38 PM (1 year ago)

^prophetic

no beans, push to fart (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:49 (ten years ago) link

ugh can you imagine an ILX where everyone was "nice" 100% of the time it would be the worst

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:49 (ten years ago) link

turn that frown upside down, friend!!!!

fuck wit my dinner with andre day (m bison), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:50 (ten years ago) link

there's a lot of unclaimed territory between 'nice' and 'whiney g'

where'd ya get that crapp? (pixel farmer), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:52 (ten years ago) link

whiney was just A PRODUCT OF HIS ENVIRONMENT, man. look at what he was before ILX and what he is now.

ultimately we as a people are responsible :(

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:53 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWLvuLRoVus

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:57 (ten years ago) link

I'm positive people shouldn't always be nice #KIP

Kerm, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:59 (ten years ago) link

# Location banned
# Bio clearly the 77 autogoon keepin' it negative dickhole zing posse should run ILX

am0n, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:59 (ten years ago) link

why is a hyperlink allowing you to "killfile" a poster less gross than one to "suggest ban"

flopson, Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:06 (ten years ago) link

suggest murder

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:07 (ten years ago) link

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/533869/garnett_biting_gif_medium.gif

l-r: whiney, ilx

am0n, Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:39 (ten years ago) link

Suggestban is the War on Drugs to Killfile's Pass on Grass.

Kerm, Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:40 (ten years ago) link

fwiw it's no big deal to get killfile up on Safari 5

Euler, Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:47 (ten years ago) link

these threads have pretty much reduced the art of writing IMP threads to a huge unreadable mass.

people just gravitate to the "get rid of SB threads" that they want to read about and don't find other threads, because they're staring at a webpage with 2000 words of text on it.

what sb'd do is, you know, little "critical punches." little "smacks in the face."

and you are a part of everything and everything is like melting (ytth), Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:52 (ten years ago) link

hahaha

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:52 (ten years ago) link

what if the SB system was like Yellow Card in which every time you got SBed, a little yellow tag showed up at the top of your screen, along with a personal message.

― r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, February 6, 2011 1:43 PM (1 hour ago)

yeah i know it's A LOT OF WORK and everything but can whoever is in charge work on improving the SB experience in ways like this if this godawful system is never going to be taken away

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:55 (ten years ago) link

or they can't because it's a waste of time to cater to the ten fucking people who blab on about it incessantly.

and you are a part of everything and everything is like melting (ytth), Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:56 (ten years ago) link

the thing where the notifications take up your screen or whatever is kinda cheesy but yeah, real-timeish notifications of when and for what posts for which you've been SB'd would be an improvement

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:58 (ten years ago) link

Total SBs received and issued should be on a users profile page. And every time you issue or receive 25 or so, you should get a little symbol after your username after each post... like football helmet reward decals. In general, we need a points systems so we know who the real winners are.

Kerm, Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:59 (ten years ago) link

a post's background colors should get increasingly redder the more SBs that post earns.

Kerm, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:00 (ten years ago) link

looool

markers, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:01 (ten years ago) link

blacker imo, so eventually it will vanish

omar little, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:01 (ten years ago) link

now we're cookin'

Kerm, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:03 (ten years ago) link

better option:

instead of colors, add brick JPGs from the bottom to the top of the post until it's entirely covered.

the SB of amontillado

omar little, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:07 (ten years ago) link

why is a hyperlink allowing you to "killfile" a poster less gross than one to "suggest ban"

because it allows you to dealwithit on yr own w/o affecting others

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:08 (ten years ago) link

everytime you get SBed, someone close to you is abducted and flogged

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:08 (ten years ago) link

with great posting comes great responsibility

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:09 (ten years ago) link

The mods' arguments itt are on the whole otm with the single glaring exception being that the sb system is not necessary.

In this particular case it sounds like whiney got to 51 and the mods said 'oh yeah, he's shitting up the place, temp ban', i.e. the whole sb culture didn't actually need to exist.

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:11 (ten years ago) link

that's what happens every time, thanks for your input

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:14 (ten years ago) link

Oh come on, if we'd banned Whiney outright exactly the same people would have been complaining.

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:18 (ten years ago) link

yea then it'd be "why didn't we have a say"

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:19 (ten years ago) link

no it'd still be "people who ban people for being annoying are douchebags"

Kerm, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:22 (ten years ago) link

honest question, because i can't remember: were bans/talk of bans/fear of bans/300+ threads on bans ever this big a part of ILX culture before nu-code era?

― gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:48 (1 hour ago)

Can't remember if you were here during the C-man/Momus days, but yes they were, very much so.

Pashmina, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:28 (ten years ago) link

Oh come on, if we'd banned Whiney outright exactly the same people would have been complaining.

― Matt DC, Monday, 7 February 2011 07:18 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...minus the usual sb cluskterfuck.

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:33 (ten years ago) link

uh no there would have been a clusterfuck

call all destroyer, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:34 (ten years ago) link

AA i didn't mean to sound like such a dick btw, sorry

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:34 (ten years ago) link

Banning posters for causing clusterfucks causes clusterfucks.

Kerm, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:35 (ten years ago) link

honest question, because i can't remember: were bans/talk of bans/fear of bans/300+ threads on bans ever this big a part of ILX culture before nu-code era?

― gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:48 (1 hour ago)

Can't remember if you were here during the C-man/Momus days, but yes they were, very much so.

― Pashmina, Sunday, February 6, 2011 8:28 PM (5 minutes ago)

also 40 fucking "ban _________" threads every week

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:36 (ten years ago) link

AA i didn't mean to sound like such a dick btw, sorry

np

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:39 (ten years ago) link

my suggestion:

keep the suggest ban button. when a poster or posters (as in this case) starts racking a bunch up in a short period of time, mods invite them to a private mod board or thread, where the mods can let the poster know that they are annoying a lot of people, and point to particular posts that have gotten flagged. the poster can engage with the mods to tell his/her side of the story, and ultimately mods can give the poster a warning that getting more SBs in the near future for the same behavior will result in a temp ban, like a week or something.

this sort of returns some agency to being a mod, allows for a little "due process" to the whole ordeal, and actually should give the poster some direct feedback

i think this would have worked well with whiney/deej tbh

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:44 (ten years ago) link

"annoying" might be the wrong word but i think you get me

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:44 (ten years ago) link

my suggestion:

keep the suggest ban button. when a poster or posters (as in this case) starts racking a bunch up in a short period of time, mods invite them to a private mod board or thread, where the mods can whack them and leave the body lying there in the tall grass

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:45 (ten years ago) link

keep the suggest ban button. when a poster or posters (as in this case) starts racking a bunch up in a short period of time, mods invite them to a private mod board or thread, where the mods can let the poster know that they are annoying a lot of people, and point to particular posts that have gotten flagged. the poster can engage with the mods to tell his/her side of the story, and ultimately mods can give the poster a warning that getting more SBs in the near future for the same behavior will result in a temp ban, like a week or something.

This is pretty much what we now have already. Forks emailed both Deej and Whiney when they passed the 40 mark, which is something that's going to happen as a matter of course now. It was along the lines of "this is a courtesy email to let you know you've now got 40 SBs, nothing to worry about yet but you may want to modify your posting style over the next few weeks". Neither of them did.

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:50 (ten years ago) link

Forks emailed both Deej and Whiney when they passed the 40 mark, which is something that's going to happen as a matter of course now. It was along the lines of "this is a courtesy email to let you know you've now got 40 SBs, nothing to worry about yet but you may want to modify your posting style over the next few weeks". Neither of them did.
Orrite, that's sound, I'm 100% behind it.

gr80's (buried) suggestion that the sb link be moved to the user profile page needs more consideration btw.

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:54 (ten years ago) link

unco at posting today

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:54 (ten years ago) link

sounds reasonable enough

no beans, push to fart (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 20:55 (ten years ago) link

Only thing I can see w that is: suggest ban button next to a post in effect flags that post as being problematic. SB report page shows a list of user's posts that have received SBs, which is often a p solid indication of what exactly it is that's fucking off ppl about whoever. (this is v useful when a spammer or racist dickhead shows up) Having SB button on profile page wd just result in poster x being sb'ed by these posters for....some unidentified reason. I think?

Pashmina, Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:02 (ten years ago) link

Thanks, Pash.

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:03 (ten years ago) link

(sincere response btw (I'm on a tram))

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:05 (ten years ago) link

update: I'm over it

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:08 (ten years ago) link

the user profile link already has a messageid that identifies the post

Kerm, Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:09 (ten years ago) link

sure, and i think that's an improvement. i think it could be better, though - many ppl (myself included, and i'm about to hit the 40 mark) either don't check their ilx email or have since lost access to it. also what i said forces an interaction between the poster and the mods in a way that a simple email notification doesnt

i really do think instant notification when you get the sb button pressed on you is something that has to happen soon though

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:10 (ten years ago) link

xp to matt

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:10 (ten years ago) link

wtf have u been posting to get 40 sbs dude

flopson, Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:11 (ten years ago) link

i really do think instant notification when you get the sb button pressed on you is something that has to happen soon though

― originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, February 6, 2011 9:10 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark

this seems unnecessary labour for the mods or coders or whoever

i mean ffs, hardly anyone gets banned, and those that do are unlikely to modify their behaviour because some feeb has s-b'd them. moreover, one doesn't necessarily push the button next to an obviously offending post.

a gadfly within the ranks of the nationalist far right (history mayne), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:12 (ten years ago) link

It was along the lines of "this is a courtesy email to let you know you've now got 40 SBs, nothing to worry about yet but you may want to modify your posting style over the next few weeks". Neither of them did.

This seems like a good thing to do. Just wondering, if a controversial poster calms down after receiving their 40 SB notification but continues to rack up another 11 SBs from week-old posts, would this be borne in mind by the mods or wd it just be "lol well too late, sucker"? (Or are SBs almost always given within a day or two of the posts they're attached to?)

xp yeah maybe a yellow card would be good as well as an email; this is pretty much what yellow cards were introduced for originally before all the lols, right?

cellular nekomata (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:13 (ten years ago) link

i have v few sb's but i think that would just hurt my feelings. also anonymity of sb's would be compromised, which is impt imo

flopson, Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:14 (ten years ago) link

i don't think putting the sb button on someone's profile really solves much but if you can still track the post i guess why not

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:14 (ten years ago) link

yeah i mean coding the entire sb system in the first place was unnecessary labor and has been nothing but a failure, but here we are. might as well try to improve it

originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:17 (ten years ago) link

Not sure how a Suggest Ban system that leads to people getting banned can be considered a failure.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:19 (ten years ago) link

it's the wrong people getting banned, but that isn't the coders' fault

a gadfly within the ranks of the nationalist far right (history mayne), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:19 (ten years ago) link

they can't just create a system that automatically is configured to ban l0u1s jagg3r

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:21 (ten years ago) link

Just wondering, if a controversial poster calms down after receiving their 40 SB notification but continues to rack up another 11 SBs from week-old posts, would this be borne in mind by the mods or wd it just be "lol well too late, sucker"? (Or are SBs almost always given within a day or two of the posts they're attached to?)

i just cleaned out all the old sbs and, based on what i saw, it's very rare that people catch a suggest ban weeks later. It's almost always people impulse shooting.
It's worth stressing again that there are hundreds of users on ilx and generally, at any one time, maybe one or two who have over 40 sbs. Anybody on that end of the spectrum is doing SOMETHING to agitate a sizable percentage of the population. For the rest of us, we ALL have at least three or four sbs because several people use them cavalierly and with a LOL U BANNED bent. But honestly, most people don't. the system, however flawed and stupid it may be, generally works; there's yet to be a ban kicked in where everyone was SHOCKED, SHOCKED to discover that person had gone over the line... cept maybe jordan and i don't remember what the problem was there.

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:38 (ten years ago) link

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

bnw, Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:47 (ten years ago) link

Perhaps have ilx send that 40-sb email along with a link to every sbed post? Just a thought.

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:57 (ten years ago) link

Oh come on, if we'd banned Whiney outright exactly the same people would have been complaining.

― Matt DC, Monday, 7 February 2011 07:18 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

When a mod temp banned deej from one of the threads turned into beef I don't remember anyone complaining except him.

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users (bnw), Sunday, 6 February 2011 22:01 (ten years ago) link

A ban from one thread that lasts a matter of hours is a totally different thing.

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 February 2011 22:11 (ten years ago) link

change that?

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 February 2011 22:23 (ten years ago) link

the ONLY idea i like from this dumb thread is board pemabans, not site permabans. and it wouldn't be v. hard to do--just count sbs per board.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 6 February 2011 22:25 (ten years ago) link

where's that cankles post about how suggest bans should allow everyone to see who sb'd them so that there's a massive drama trainwreck on here everyday?

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 6 February 2011 22:57 (ten years ago) link

Actually I would kinda support de-anonymizing SBs.

where'd ya get that crapp? (pixel farmer), Sunday, 6 February 2011 23:08 (ten years ago) link

Anybody on that end of the spectrum is doing SOMETHING to agitate a sizable percentage of the population.

a tiny percentage, you mean.

hoisin crispy mubaduck (ledge), Sunday, 6 February 2011 23:18 (ten years ago) link

still h8 SB and wish it would go away but i'll admit the arguments for it are good ones, even if they mostly boil down to "its not going away, deal with it".

but i am for both these initiatives:

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

― bnw, Sunday, February 6, 2011 11:47 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Actually I would kinda support de-anonymizing SBs.

― where'd ya get that crapp? (pixel farmer), Sunday, February 6, 2011 1:08 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 23:36 (ten years ago) link

I just had this vision - what if, when creating a new thread, the thread-creator had the option of turning off SBs for that one thread. so there would be these anything goes, wild wild west threads, with "HERE BE DRAGONS" labels affixed.

think about it

dayo, Sunday, 6 February 2011 23:50 (ten years ago) link

xpost -- I won't be starting any gripey threads if it doesn't happen, though.

where'd ya get that crapp? (pixel farmer), Monday, 7 February 2011 00:04 (ten years ago) link

they can't just create a system that automatically is configured to ban l0u1s jagg3r

p sure the evidence has shown that they did

basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Monday, 7 February 2011 00:37 (ten years ago) link

lol sb redirects the clusterfuck to where im not gonna read it. approve.

plax (ico), Monday, 7 February 2011 07:54 (ten years ago) link

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

I think this is very reasonable. Also, if a suggest ban flags a specific post, and some mods (or at least JJJusten) already tell the people who are close to 51 what posts of theirs have been SBed, why not make it so that each poster (but no one else) can see a list of their SBed posts in their profile? This would help them see what kind of behaviour is causing the SBs, if they are blind to it (as Deejs seems to have been), and (in the best case) modify it. Plus there'd be no need for mods to send special emails to people who are close to 51 anymore.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 February 2011 12:05 (ten years ago) link

When somebody gets 51'd, they should have to post under their mother-given government names for a month.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Monday, 7 February 2011 12:21 (ten years ago) link

can't wait to welcome back Poopy G. Stinkgarten

dayo, Monday, 7 February 2011 12:24 (ten years ago) link

actual lol

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Monday, 7 February 2011 12:28 (ten years ago) link

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

Actually from what I can see this would only overcomplicate the system it would have the added problem of moving the goalposts every day - the number of unique visitors fluctuates quite a lot and no one would ever know where they stood or how close they were to a ban.

Matt DC, Monday, 7 February 2011 12:53 (ten years ago) link

Can you give us an idea on the range of daily unique visitors? I'm sure that this has been brought up before, but I can't remember what it is.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Monday, 7 February 2011 12:58 (ten years ago) link

It sort of assumes that everyone reads everything too. I don't know how visits to the different boards break down, but if someone was being a cock on eg ILM, maybe less than 50% of posters would encounter them on a regular basis, and some of those might want them banned. xp

seminal fuiud (NickB), Monday, 7 February 2011 13:01 (ten years ago) link

and *only* some of those might want them banned (might be a large proportion though)

seminal fuiud (NickB), Monday, 7 February 2011 13:01 (ten years ago) link

I don't know how visits to the different boards break down, but if someone was being a cock on eg ILM, maybe less than 50% of posters would encounter them on a regular basis

Yeah, like, would you factor in the De Subjectivisten and Aeon Flux Top Level people?

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Monday, 7 February 2011 13:10 (ten years ago) link

Well, just having a look at the Aeon Flux board, that probably wouldn't sway things too much.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Monday, 7 February 2011 13:11 (ten years ago) link

i can at least understand people who want to do away with the SB system entirely, but people who keep suggesting these increasingly intricate Rube Goldberg modifications to the system as if that's what will magically make the whole thing totally fine and uncontroversial are just ridiculous imo.

some dude, Monday, 7 February 2011 15:11 (ten years ago) link

otm

a gadfly within the ranks of the nationalist far right (history mayne), Monday, 7 February 2011 15:18 (ten years ago) link

Every time the sb button gets clicked, a truck nutz jpeg should be inserted into the post in question.

Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Monday, 7 February 2011 15:22 (ten years ago) link

WhineyArea51 Whiney G. Weingarten
Let @WizardIsHungry post again, you assholes.

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 15:35 (ten years ago) link

kkvgz is making me sad b/c I mis-read his username.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Monday, 7 February 2011 15:35 (ten years ago) link

was not trying to do that

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 15:36 (ten years ago) link

so a problem poster is one whose presence makes it hard if not impossible for other people to enjoy/use ILX
temporary suspensions restore the function of the board for those users
some users will miss the problem poster, but so far nobody has actually left the boards because of an asshole absence (many people have left because of assholes' presences)
therefore the SB system works as well as could be hoped?

playing devil's advocate you could argue there's a smeed's law effect to encourage people to just be even more boring than ever but it's long been the case that ILX is not really all about being a site for good ol' noyz transgressive fun, so residential speed limits are in effect, deal

El Tomboto, Monday, 7 February 2011 15:37 (ten years ago) link

xp no harm, mang. Just reminds me of WizardIsHungry, is all.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Monday, 7 February 2011 15:38 (ten years ago) link

thing is, the cool funny enjoyable posters who've been banned never really got banned for the stuff they did that was cool or funny or enjoyable, unless they were just taking that stuff to some obstinate extreme. so unless the thing you love about someone is how insanely incorrigible and unreasonable they are, the whole "you guys are making this place lame by penalizing awesome people" argument is just kinda dumb, and even then it's still a little dumb.

some dude, Monday, 7 February 2011 15:49 (ten years ago) link

like i consider both whiney and deej bros and will probably have civil and friendly off-ilx interactions w/ them while they're banned, but they'd both become committed to posting in ways that only made them happy or fulfilled their own compulsions and had no interest in toning it down for anyone else's benefit, so getting a timeout seems like the only real option there.

some dude, Monday, 7 February 2011 15:51 (ten years ago) link

I'm trying to think of a funny celebrity analogy better than paul reubens and can't

El Tomboto, Monday, 7 February 2011 15:53 (ten years ago) link

some dude is the voice of reason here.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 7 February 2011 15:53 (ten years ago) link

unfortunately we can't remember who

Kerm, Monday, 7 February 2011 15:58 (ten years ago) link

I have never and will never sb anyone. If anyone on ILX annoys me I walk away. I wouldn't use the killfile option but it seems far less harsh than the SB.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Monday, 7 February 2011 16:08 (ten years ago) link

I think this is very reasonable. Also, if a suggest ban flags a specific post, and some mods (or at least JJJusten) already tell the people who are close to 51 what posts of theirs have been SBed, why not make it so that each poster (but no one else) can see a list of their SBed posts in their profile? This would help them see what kind of behaviour is causing the SBs, if they are blind to it (as Deejs seems to have been), and (in the best case) modify it. Plus there'd be no need for mods to send special emails to people who are close to 51 anymore.

http://i.imgur.com/UhK1e.jpg

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 7 February 2011 16:12 (ten years ago) link

is that real? what is that?

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 16:18 (ten years ago) link

An uphill climb from the bottom.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Monday, 7 February 2011 16:19 (ten years ago) link

The symbolism was apparent to me! I just want to know if I can go visit that.

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 16:21 (ten years ago) link

apparently it's the mt huashan hiking trail in china -

http://www.ssqq.com/ARCHIVE/vinlin27d.htm

hoisin crispy mubaduck (ledge), Monday, 7 February 2011 16:27 (ten years ago) link

Get to the top and an old beardy dude will teach you some serious kick ass martial arts.

AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Monday, 7 February 2011 16:38 (ten years ago) link

I have never and will never sb anyone. If anyone on ILX annoys me I walk away. I wouldn't use the killfile option but it seems far less harsh than the SB.

― Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Monday, February 7, 2011 11:08 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 16:43 (ten years ago) link

huh you might be right about gabbneb - if so thats probably dumb and should be reversed because dude was never a real problem iirc. so hey gabbneb if you are reading this come home all is forgiven (until yer next sb)

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, February 5, 2011 2:23 AM

"never a real problem" how is gabbneb allowed back but dom isn't, at the very least can we get some consistency w/r/t all this

am0n, Monday, 7 February 2011 16:45 (ten years ago) link

reinstate jw & chakee

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 16:51 (ten years ago) link

reinstate gw & chenee

El Tomboto, Monday, 7 February 2011 16:55 (ten years ago) link

replace current mods w/el tomboto and strongohulkington

acid druthers temple (crüt), Monday, 7 February 2011 16:56 (ten years ago) link

^^

am0n, Monday, 7 February 2011 16:57 (ten years ago) link

so a problem poster is one whose presence makes it hard if not impossible for other people to enjoy/use ILX

not sure how whiney or deej were making it impossible to use ILX, and if somebody's making it hard for you to enjoy ILX, don't read their posts

sure whiney and deej could be irritating at times but ILX is the only board I've ever posted on where people get banned for being irritating, bannings are usually reserved for spamming/racist/threatening behavior and the like

but the SB system is a social experiment in the taming of ILX of all negative expressions and behavior, I get it

I've posted before about how the system will just move the goalposts for what is considered irritating behavior for oversensitive people, and it seems like it's happening... whiney's posts on Is this the most adorable commercial ever? were edgy but, in general, pretty innocuous, it's not like he launched a huge personal attack against jon, engaged in namecalling, etc

I guess the plan is to ban all controversial posters, make this place a utopia of kind words and opinions, seems like a milquetoast approach, hope everybody feels safe and relaxed now that big bad whiney/deej are gone

hopefully they will return tamed, having learned their lesson, or maybe they won't return at all, good riddens to bad rubbish tally ho and all that

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:14 (ten years ago) link

otm

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:20 (ten years ago) link

having a "hide this poster" link is the best solution

it's not punitive, it doesn't deprive anyone who enjoys the posting style of controversial folks of their presence, but protects the feelings of those who don't want to be exposed

but keith thinks SB is the best thing he ever developed, and enough of the mods have long been in a non-negotiable stance regarding SB so

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:22 (ten years ago) link

i went looking for the last thing i said on the last sb clusterfuck and i couldn't find it

but i did find this:

i liked gabbneb!

― goole, Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:03 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

great point, you have to admit

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:22 (ten years ago) link

it would be great if we could have BOTH "hide this poster" and SB

maybe there would finally be a little silence on this issue

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:24 (ten years ago) link

gabbneb had turned into a total creep at the end. whiney and deej were many things but never creepy. annoying, sure. but they never posted in a manner that made me feel like they were internetting from my basement crawlspace.

omar little, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:25 (ten years ago) link

i think we should all be able to edit each others posts

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:25 (ten years ago) link

killfile has the benefit of comedy CAN ANYONE HEAR ME killfile paranoia too

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:26 (ten years ago) link

ilx would be a total site of free play where the line btw author and utterance would be oblitarated

we would all be each others' socks, it would be so amazing.

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:26 (ten years ago) link

there should be at least one board where this is possible

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:28 (ten years ago) link

imo it's not hard for posters to be zingy without being perpetually annoying and thread-derailing. quietstorm zings are more effective than all caps eringrayslappedbyglennford.jpg

omar little, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:28 (ten years ago) link

ice cr?m, i hope this doesn't sound weird, but, there are things that i think i could only say, if i were you at the time

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:29 (ten years ago) link

is it pronounced like "ghoul" or "jewel"

am0n, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:31 (ten years ago) link

no man thats not weird *frantically clicks suggest ban*

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:31 (ten years ago) link

my mind will be blown if he says anything other than "ghoul"

ENBB, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:32 (ten years ago) link

Sb and killfile are not the same thing at all and shouldn't serve the same purpose.

Killfiling is a personal choice -- if you want a certain voice to be gone, you can make it gone in your little world, just accept that some conversations will be missing certain elements, and so on. But using kf to "fix" how you experience ILX as a whole is really...passive. Fine if you are choosing the passive approach to improve your life by removing a really hated poster or two or three, and you don't want them to know/you don't want your choice to affect anyone else's ILX experience. Not so fine if the public atmosphere really IS getting "bad" or "worse" (by whatever definition) in one way or another and you are avoiding doing anything about it.

The efficacy of sb, whether everyone likes it or not, is to the public sphere. Kf cannot do the same job.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:32 (ten years ago) link

goulet

am0n, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:32 (ten years ago) link

http://www.balloons4trade.co.uk/images/Circle_BalloonDrop.gif

CONGRATULATIONS GOOLE ON THE 10,000TH POST ON WHAT THE SB SYSTEM SHOULD REALLY BE LIKE!!!!

― and why?!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, March 5, 2009 1:05 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:32 (ten years ago) link

ghoul, btw

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:32 (ten years ago) link

:)

am0n, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:33 (ten years ago) link

I've been wanting to make that post for three days, btw, but it was tl for phone typing!!

xp goolie?

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:33 (ten years ago) link

honestly don't remember why i picked this name, don't think i like it even! oh well

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:35 (ten years ago) link

a bold suggestion: imprison all sb'd posters to I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX for three months

― Favourite Song, Album and Band? Icehouse. (King Boy Pato), Saturday, February 5, 2011 2:47 AM

http://www.mikogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/youtube-thumbs-up.jpg

am0n, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:35 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqBAPcVs5xM

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:37 (ten years ago) link

Difference between gabbnebb and dom is that Dom was mod banned

I don't think gabnb us actually going to come back btw

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:49 (ten years ago) link

laurel, SB improves your experience of ILX, but also makes others' experience of ILX less enjoyable. why should the rearrangement of ILX to suit your taste deprive other folks of someone's presence?

I don't want to go all argument by analogy here, but it's like banning certain music or speech from the radio. wouldn't it be great if you could ban glenn beck from the airwaves? yeah, but you could also just change the channel. I'm just not that into silencing ppl I guess. that mindset doesn't compute for me.

I'm not anti-banning, btw, but the threshold seems to be getting pretty low.

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:52 (ten years ago) link

Think it's still 51

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:53 (ten years ago) link

lol

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:55 (ten years ago) link

I wd favour raising it to 54 just so I can make the same crappy Sammy Hagar joke once every couple of months.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:56 (ten years ago) link

But 51 has kind of entered the Kaballah now with the whole Antimony thing so

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:57 (ten years ago) link

raise it to 77 imo

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:58 (ten years ago) link

How long does a SB last? Is it 6 months? (Someone upthread suggested that you might collect 51 sbs over the course of six moths) How long are you banned after you get 51? If you're banned do you return with a blank slate?

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Monday, 7 February 2011 17:58 (ten years ago) link

a blank slate, a potty mouth and a heart full of vengeance

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:01 (ten years ago) link

I think it's 30 days, with an increasing number of days with each subsequent SB... 30/60/90

though the length of the ban is subject to mod discretion and I think has been bent before?

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:01 (ten years ago) link

http://rhymeculture.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/c_group_50-people.jpg

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:04 (ten years ago) link

SBs are 30 days. I think from here on in, we'll be opening with repeat SBs garnering 60 with the proviso that may be lengthened/shortened/permabanned based on case-by-case complications.

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:05 (ten years ago) link

http://www.hartfordmag.com/images/stories/50People_0910.jpg

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:05 (ten years ago) link

Michael, to your first question, six months is correct.

Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:06 (ten years ago) link

so to clarify, deej and whiney are both out for 30 this go round.
so it is written so shall it be done
and now the dancing girls

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:06 (ten years ago) link

http://www.kansasdisciples.org/images/QA%2050%20people.jpg

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:07 (ten years ago) link

but the SB system is a social experiment in the taming of ILX of all negative expressions and behavior, I get it

this is such exaggerated bullshit, dude. i personally feel like i've had ample freedom to be curmudgeonly and antagonistic and argumentative, and have explored that freedom to my hearts' content without ever getting an especially high SB count. if there are people whose appetites for posting negativity is larger if not boundless, giving them a timeout probably isn't going to 'tame' them anyway, but it'll at least give other people a break from them.

some dude, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:10 (ten years ago) link

can you unblock my work and home ip addresses?

am0n, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:11 (ten years ago) link

I think there should be a SB thread that the banned alone can post to - a kind of ILX purgatory.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:16 (ten years ago) link

Voyage of the Banned

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:17 (ten years ago) link

it's called THE REST OF THE INTERNET

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:18 (ten years ago) link

Banned à part

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:18 (ten years ago) link

haha forks otm

some dude, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:18 (ten years ago) link

Actually from what I can see this would only overcomplicate the system it would have the added problem of moving the goalposts every day - the number of unique visitors fluctuates quite a lot and no one would ever know where they stood or how close they were to a ban.

― Matt DC, Monday, February 7, 2011 6:53 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

Then take average daily counts for a week and generate a number. Point is if sb is meant to be the majority opinion then you might want to figure out how many the majority actually is.

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users (bnw), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:19 (ten years ago) link

also i just do not get the appeal of killfile, especially as a replacement for SBs. just because i don't love a particular person's posts doesn't mean i necessarily want to look at the whole board through a filter that removes their posts and probably makes threads they participate in harder to follow or enjoy. and what if your issue with someone is that they like to say mean things to or about you? killfiling them just makes you ignorant of what they're saying and less able to do anything about it.

some dude, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:20 (ten years ago) link

if people think 51 is just too low a number, why get complicated about it, just change it to 101. there are some people that will hit that goal easy anyway.

some dude, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:20 (ten years ago) link

Suggest Ban Permalink
I think there should be a SB thread that the banned alone can post to - a kind of ILX purgatory.

― Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Monday, February 7, 2011 1:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Think that's what Whiney was going for here, before he got bored.
http://twitter.com/WhineyArea51#

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:21 (ten years ago) link

Point is if sb is meant to be the majority opinion then you might want to figure out how many the majority actually is.

I am pretty sure that it was not intended to be a majority opinion.

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:22 (ten years ago) link

the sad truth is that the vast vast majority of ilx posters don't make much of an impression and don't differentiate themselves in my mind at all, good or bad. this is probably true of everyone and probably true of my writing to everyone else.

i've changed my mind on sb's in the past year (used to think was ok, now don't) but i can't find the post where i talked about it. it doesn't really matter, does it?

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:22 (ten years ago) link

I don't like it either, but I s/b like a demon because it's there and I can't help myself.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:31 (ten years ago) link

I am pretty sure that it was not intended to be a majority opinion.

It's just an arbitrary threshold beyond which you are no longer fit for posting society.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:32 (ten years ago) link

It's a pretty large threshhold!

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 18:44 (ten years ago) link

also i just do not get the appeal of killfile, especially as a replacement for SBs. just because i don't love a particular person's posts doesn't mean i necessarily want to look at the whole board through a filter that removes their posts and probably makes threads they participate in harder to follow or enjoy. and what if your issue with someone is that they like to say mean things to or about you? killfiling them just makes you ignorant of what they're saying and less able to do anything about it.

yes, otm

lextasy refix (lex pretend), Monday, 7 February 2011 18:51 (ten years ago) link

i think we should all be able to edit each others posts
--goole

Booming post

This is almost what IRE was like when everyone was a mod

And thn everyone just benned each other

Rip lingbert

max, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:15 (ten years ago) link

Originally there was a poll on the mod board about whether we want "democratic bans". But at some point this turned into "51 clicks and you're out", a random number which I've never heard any admin explain... Yet pro-SB tend to justify it as if it's some kind of vox populi, even though no one knows how big the populi actually is.

Here's an idea: count the average amount of unique daily visitors in 2010 (i.e. add up the unique visitors for each of the 365 days, then divide the result by 365), and is someone gets more SBed than 50% of that number, then he's banned. Do the same for the year 2012, 2013, etc. Shouldn't be too much of an effort to do this once a year, and then the results would actually resemble a "democratic ban".

Tuomas, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:20 (ten years ago) link

i don't like the idea of using 50% of the # of active users because then i feel like my impartiality becomes a tacit approval of shitty/disruptive posting

ciderpress, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:26 (ten years ago) link

Why does it have to be a "vox populi"? Why can't it just be "an awful lot of people"?

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:26 (ten years ago) link

wish john d. was still around to tell tuomas to stfu.

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:27 (ten years ago) link

oh THAT'S how you do an average

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:28 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, Tuomas, that threshold is kind of meaninglessly high.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Monday, 7 February 2011 19:28 (ten years ago) link

wish whiney g. weingarten was still around to tell tuomas

http://www.big-t-shirts.com/ProdImages/big/792.jpg

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:28 (ten years ago) link

if it's not a majority you are back to the problem of the other side who don't want the person banned having no say whatsoever.

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users (bnw), Monday, 7 February 2011 19:30 (ten years ago) link

they expressed themselves - they did not ban the person

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:32 (ten years ago) link

Well we could supplement "suggest ban" with "suggest awesome"?

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:33 (ten years ago) link

i don't really understand? i tacitly express my approval of almost all ilx posters, by not banning them.

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:35 (ten years ago) link

i'd be ok with a like/dislike system where you can go positive or negative and get banned at -51 or whatever. but i think the current system is alright, it seems to take a lot of disruptive behavior to get to 51

ciderpress, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:37 (ten years ago) link

an ilx "like" button would result in a disgusting popularity contest imo

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:41 (ten years ago) link

IT'S ABOUT THAT TIME

http://www.denofgeek.com/siteimage/scale/800/600/56658.png

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2011 19:42 (ten years ago) link

self-xp eh that's actually harsh but w/e i don't understand why this is a necessary function

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:43 (ten years ago) link

it seems to take a lot of disruptive behavior to get to 51

^

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:44 (ten years ago) link

xp: cad, to clarify, I wasn't really advocating for that. I'm pretty sure that idea has been brought up half a dozen times in previous post-ban clusterfucks.

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:45 (ten years ago) link

yeah i didn't really think you were but this idea keeps coming up and frankly should be shot down immediately for several reasons

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:46 (ten years ago) link

whither the statscock?

kkvgz, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:50 (ten years ago) link

yet we never got a chance to shoot down the sb system before it was implemented

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users (bnw), Monday, 7 February 2011 19:50 (ten years ago) link

life's a bitch i guess

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:51 (ten years ago) link

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users

lol, and 57.3% of current active users. both percentages equally meaningless

Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Monday, 7 February 2011 19:53 (ten years ago) link

I wanted to shoot down the meaningless sham of Parliamentary Democracy but I never got a chance before it was implemented

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2011 19:53 (ten years ago) link

mods too scared to implement "suggest stay" buttons

gr8080, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:54 (ten years ago) link

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users

i meant to lol at this, i'll just do it now

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:54 (ten years ago) link

id be curious to know how many users post frequently, lets say ten posts a month

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:54 (ten years ago) link

pixel - you want to count active users, then sb's should be expiring in that same time frame that makes someone "active"

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users (bnw), Monday, 7 February 2011 19:55 (ten years ago) link

the point is that 51 is an arbitrary number and SB's suck

gr8080, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:57 (ten years ago) link

i get why this is acrimonious between ppl vs mods, but, are mods really the people that have a say in this, at all? unless the people who coded ilx, or someone else with those skills, says they're going to donate some coding time to make changes, ilx is going to stay the way it is. mods aren't really the issue i don't think

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:57 (ten years ago) link

I think a majority of mods are pro-SB

if they weren't, they be looking for ways to implement alternatives

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 19:59 (ten years ago) link

pixel - you want to count active users, then sb's should be expiring in that same time frame that makes someone "active"

I don't, that's why I said both percentages were equally meaningless.

Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Monday, 7 February 2011 19:59 (ten years ago) link

granted it could be possible to change board policy and just ignore sb counts altogether, i guess. if i understand things right. tho i think 51 kicks ppl off automatically.

xp

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:59 (ten years ago) link

any number would be arbitrary since there is no agreed-upon definition of an active user

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:59 (ten years ago) link

p.s., I'm not modding anymore

Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Monday, 7 February 2011 19:59 (ten years ago) link

i guess we're also at the point where everyone needs to be reminded that like one or two people can change ilx's code

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:00 (ten years ago) link

keith will touch the code occasionally, I know caek had volunteered his services recently

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:00 (ten years ago) link

if i understand things right. tho i think 51 kicks ppl off automatically.

it doesnt. mods have said over and over that they make the final decision once someone hits 51

gr8080, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:00 (ten years ago) link

Let's take the rats from the cats and the cats from the rats and get the cat skins for nothin'.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:01 (ten years ago) link

Why does it have to be a "vox populi"? Why can't it just be "an awful lot of people"?

Because if it's just a random number, there's no real moral justification for the ban. You can't claim "this poster's behaviour ruined ILX for everyone else", if it turns out only a small minority of posters thought the behaviour was bad enough to click on the SB.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:05 (ten years ago) link

How do you feel about minority rights in general?

AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:09 (ten years ago) link

what about the subset of posters who never saw the offending posts though? you'd be setting the bar really high considering there's a lot of active users who only read certain rolling threads or subforums. if someone's being a dick on ILM and only 40% of active users read ILM, they'd have immunity.

ciderpress, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:10 (ten years ago) link

resurrect aja/dante board, rename it i love beefs, open it to whiney & deej only and make it the only place they can post for 30 days

that way all capn-save-a-hos can benefit from these posters' glorious wit, the world will be spared more lol-but-sad twitter accounts, and free speech is saved. amen

mookieproof, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:13 (ten years ago) link

Whether it's half or a quarter of whatever is defined as an active user is irrelevant. Let's do one of those annoying and pointless irl analogies:

A man is having a seriously noisy party with loud music, shouting, fighting, people throwing up in the street and lots of generally antisocial and dickish behaviour. He is really annoying several (say 5) of his neighbours. Should their complaints carry any weight at all when like 50 people live in that street and 25 of them are at the party getting mashed and don't give a shit?

AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:15 (ten years ago) link

amazing analogy

gr8080, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:18 (ten years ago) link

What if those 25 neighbors could put up steel blinds that would let them continue to read the latest Franzen novel in peace while the other 25 get to party hearty?

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:22 (ten years ago) link

what kind of food do they have at the party?

dell (del), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:23 (ten years ago) link

http://goodmessengers.org/pic/whatif.png

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:23 (ten years ago) link

are they smanging it at the party?

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users (bnw), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:23 (ten years ago) link

hard cheeses, berries, curry and soup

AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:25 (ten years ago) link

xxxp

AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:25 (ten years ago) link

bile dip

Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:27 (ten years ago) link

SC - theifyoudontagreewithmeyoushouldbebannedelite, dig?

im getting bored of the whole variant question/same answer routine, so heres a little play for you all i call "Equally possible ILE threads: Two threads in two acts" (Pls allow for some creative license ie the unlikelyhood of the party in act two)

Act 1, Thread 1:

My neighbours are having a party again! Its loud!
-- Bee 1

Im SO sorry, Bee 1! How dreadful. *hugs!*
-- Bee 2

OMG!! They should burn in hell! Call the cops. Take it to the city. Youve got rights!
-- Bee 3

Yeah, but you don't have an apostophe. :P
-- HotGrammarCop (imustbeintelligentbecauseicanpunctu✧✧✧@mommysai✧✧✧.o✧✧)

Show up at their door with a knife!
Better still...AN AXE!
-- Bee 4

LOL!!!!1!11 OMG You should totally do that.
-- Random Kiss Ass

Act 2, Thread 2:

Someone showed up at my door with an axe last night! I was having a party!
-- Bee 1

Im SO sorry, Bee 1! How dreadful. *hugs!*
-- Bee 2

OMG!! They should burn in hell! Call the cops. Take it to the city. Youve got rights!
-- Bee 3

Yeah, but you don't have an apostophe. :P
-- HotGrammarCop (imustbeintelligentbecauseicanpunctu✧✧✧@mommysai✧✧✧.o✧✧)

You should have another party next weekend!
Better still...A LOUDER PARTY!
-- Bee 4

LOL!!!!1!11 OMG You should totally do that.
-- Random Kiss Ass

― sunny successor (he hates my guts, we had a fight) (katharine), Monday, July 25, 2005 4:23 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark

gr8080, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:28 (ten years ago) link

hard cheeses, berries, curry and soup]

lol at uk party fare

dell (del), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:29 (ten years ago) link

lol @ -- Random Kiss Ass

AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:30 (ten years ago) link

anyone who cares that much about having an accurate # of currently active users should a month doing excruciating work looking at every post on every thread and keeping count of what people post and how often.

some dude, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:31 (ten years ago) link

the point isnt to have an accurate number the point is to point out that 51 is bullshit

anyway i forgot: i'm over it

gr8080, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:32 (ten years ago) link

im honestly curious as to how many people post regularly, not for sb purposes, just for knowing purposes

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:33 (ten years ago) link

me too

ciderpress, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:34 (ten years ago) link

i curious how many "frequent lurkers" there are and how often they SB

gr8080, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:37 (ten years ago) link

what about the subset of posters who never saw the offending posts though? you'd be setting the bar really high considering there's a lot of active users who only read certain rolling threads or subforums. if someone's being a dick on ILM and only 40% of active users read ILM, they'd have immunity.

― ciderpress, Monday, February 7, 2011 3:10 PM (11 minutes ago)

if only it were possible to ban someone from a particular board say whiney and deej from ilm hmmm no SB system is fine how it is

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:45 (ten years ago) link

btw i v much support the concept of keeping one board open to the s banned and imo it would be hilarious

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:46 (ten years ago) link

i always read "sb" as shit-banned

dell (del), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:48 (ten years ago) link

shit-banned with extreme prejudice

dell (del), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:48 (ten years ago) link

sbed w/ep

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:49 (ten years ago) link

aphex twins sbed ep

cowboys_defeats_magic_earth2.jpg (Lamp), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:49 (ten years ago) link

a subboard for the sugbanned would just be hundreds of posts of "to so-and-so on such-and-such ILE thread: you're so wrong, and i had a great zing for that i would've posted if i could"

some dude, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:14 (ten years ago) link

otm it would be mostly sad kind of pointless

gr8080, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:16 (ten years ago) link

Whether it's half or a quarter of whatever is defined as an active user is irrelevant. Let's do one of those annoying and pointless irl analogies:

A man is having a seriously noisy party with loud music, shouting, fighting, people throwing up in the street and lots of generally antisocial and dickish behaviour. He is really annoying several (say 5) of his neighbours. Should their complaints carry any weight at all when like 50 people live in that street and 25 of them are at the party getting mashed and don't give a shit?

― AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:15 (55 minutes ago)

in the US if one neighbor complains the cops will show up, so by this logic the 51 should be lowered to 1

that would be AWESOME and then I would def use the SB function

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:20 (ten years ago) link

still trying to wrap my mind around the "moral justification" of a banning
most of what we discuss on here is krautrock, hot chicks, predator ships, duke nukem and waka flocka
moral doesn't live here anymore alice

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:23 (ten years ago) link

With all the Goldberg-style solutions being suggested here allow me to contribute my own algorithm (it's complex so please bear with me):

1. sb ends
2. mods do modding

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:29 (ten years ago) link

\(^o^)/

markers, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:32 (ten years ago) link

that idea is so bad

El Tomboto, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:34 (ten years ago) link

How about this idea:

Don't piss off 51 people in 6 months.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:36 (ten years ago) link

seems p obv theres no "scientific" method that will make sb more fair or w/e to the ppl who think its like some evil regime. the only thing is that i mean the more u post the more u can piss ppl off i think. this is the only objection that kindof makes sense to me. i mean i am super cranky i just dont really take things srsly i guess but yeah some dude otm i have had crazy legroom to be an asshole w/o getting sbed but maybe i just post less than wgw idk. also e/time i see wgw i think of wong kar wai.'hi everyone

plax (ico), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:37 (ten years ago) link

re: plax's post --

That's a good point. I'm pretty sure I could get 51'd in a week if I offered up every opinion I own, but in the past year or so I've generally stopped giving a fuck if all of you, or any of you, know what I think. (The past couple of days has been a huge burst of activity from me, like 50 posts, gee wow.) I guess WGW especially has developed a livelihood that necessarily involves broadcasting every time a synapse fires in his head. What a horrible way to live, frankly.

Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:45 (ten years ago) link

yes, agree that frequent posters run a higher risk of SBing than intermittent ones

too bad there's no more statscock to verify these important findings

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:47 (ten years ago) link

people who don't like it will never be happy so it follows we should make no attempt to improve it ever.

bnw, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:48 (ten years ago) link

I want to take back the "what a horrible way to live" bit and apologize to whiney for that. Unnecessary.

Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:49 (ten years ago) link

you can post all the time all over ilx and go through a few months without collecting more than a few SBs. you can be an asshole and not get halfway to 50. but if you're annoying you'll get there with time to spare.

omar little, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:50 (ten years ago) link

people who don't like it will never be happy

humans in 'unhappy with things they don't like' shocker

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:51 (ten years ago) link

we should all learn to live with things we don't like

and if we can't, well we can always ban them from our internet fishbowl

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:53 (ten years ago) link

we should all learn to live with things we don't like

I do not buy into glib rubbish like this, sorry.

sexy Santa cosplay (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:55 (ten years ago) link

still trying to wrap my mind around the "moral justification" of a banning
most of what we discuss on here is krautrock, hot chicks, predator ships, duke nukem and waka flocka
moral doesn't live here anymore alice

― الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Monday, February 7, 2011 4:23 PM (39 minutes ago)

*dramatic sigh* "why i do even bother"

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:04 (ten years ago) link

people who don't like it will never be happy so it follows we should make no attempt to improve it ever.

― bnw, Monday, February 7, 2011 4:48 PM (15 minutes ago)

ha thought this was a mod posting for a second, good summary

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:06 (ten years ago) link

This thread is clear proof that whiney is a state of mind.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:08 (ten years ago) link

so glad this thread is full of new, fresh ideas that we've never heard before

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:18 (ten years ago) link

impt not let tyranny congeal intohegemony bro

plax (ico), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:21 (ten years ago) link

why should it be different from all the other threads

xp

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:21 (ten years ago) link

so how do we like this "WebTV"

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:23 (ten years ago) link

http://i54.tinypic.com/29lzajc.gif

markers, Monday, 7 February 2011 22:24 (ten years ago) link

alright, let's put everyone's money where there mouth is
i've put together a bit of code to bypass the suggestban system and we're going to try going without it for the next week.
give me ten minutes and let me make sure this works

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:24 (ten years ago) link

FUCK ALL Y'ALL MOTHERFUCKERS I'LL KILL YOU I'LL KILL YOU ALL

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:25 (ten years ago) link

http://cache.dealbreaker.com/uploads/2010/09/drudge-siren1.gif

gr8080, Monday, 7 February 2011 22:25 (ten years ago) link

i call dibs on the first ban l0u1s jagg3r thread

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:25 (ten years ago) link

^ a fresh new idea

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:25 (ten years ago) link

that was an xpost but it works for that too

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:26 (ten years ago) link

Hang forks said give it 10 minutes, wd like to point out I wd not like to kill anybody on this board.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:28 (ten years ago) link

it's too SBad

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:30 (ten years ago) link

itt edward iii: unimpressed

plax (ico), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:31 (ten years ago) link

free whiney, dom, ethan, jw, deej, et al

the most revered deity in the universe (history mayne), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:32 (ten years ago) link

I guess WGW especially has developed a livelihood that necessarily involves broadcasting every time a synapse fires in his head. What a horrible way to live, frankly.

― Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 08:45 (21 minutes ago)

lol, otm.

scraping Doritos off the wheel (haitch), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:33 (ten years ago) link

doesnt ethan just not post by choice. im not really sure who ethan is tbh

plax (ico), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:34 (ten years ago) link

ethan could post today if he wanted to, his ban was reverted ages ago

ethan = and what

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:35 (ten years ago) link

i just realized i have no idea how to code.
my bad.

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:35 (ten years ago) link

HAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:35 (ten years ago) link

― the most revered deity in the universe (history mayne)

lol

am0n, Monday, 7 February 2011 22:36 (ten years ago) link

i remember the kerfuffle over ethan getting sbed incl jordan s gettin all "UNION" but at the time i was kindof like "im not sure who this guy is?"

plax (ico), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:37 (ten years ago) link

oops didnt mean to called a dude out by his real name sorry

plax (ico), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:38 (ten years ago) link

well he was SBed initially due to image-flooding a thread with Biggie Smalls lyrics after Dom got banned...but they reversed it, yet he decided not to come back due to the Dom thing I think.

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:39 (ten years ago) link

ethan chose not to come back because "if 51 people actually didnt want me around i dont wanna be around" or something to that effect

gr8080, Monday, 7 February 2011 22:40 (ten years ago) link

"took one for the team"

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:42 (ten years ago) link

dom like murdered some1 right?

plax (ico), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:43 (ten years ago) link

he murdered the mods feelings

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:44 (ten years ago) link

i just realized i have no idea how to code.
my bad.

― الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Monday, February 7, 2011 5:35 PM (1 hour ago)
Bookmark

lol

if you wanted to temp disable it, you could rename confirmbanrequest.jsp to confirmbanrequest.xxx

no coding necessary

a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 23:42 (ten years ago) link

does that send everyone porno when they hit 51?

goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 23:43 (ten years ago) link

please do not do anything to the suggest ban system

it is awesome and i love it

with all sincerity

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 7 February 2011 23:43 (ten years ago) link

confirmbangrequest.xxx

scraping Doritos off the wheel (haitch), Monday, 7 February 2011 23:59 (ten years ago) link

no but it will give you some hot 404 action

xp

a led zep of one (Edward III), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 00:07 (ten years ago) link

a subboard for the sugbanned would just be hundreds of posts of "to so-and-so on such-and-such ILE thread: you're so wrong, and i had a great zing for that i would've posted if i could"

― some dude, Monday, February 7, 2011 4:14 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm it would be mostly sad kind of pointless

― gr8080, Monday, February 7, 2011 4:16 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no no no u guys this is the thing that would be funny

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 00:43 (ten years ago) link

only I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX is brave enough to provide a home for the exile

max, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 01:08 (ten years ago) link

otm

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 01:08 (ten years ago) link

i would read that avidly.

estela, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 01:10 (ten years ago) link

dom like murdered some1 right?

― plax (ico), Monday, February 7, 2011 5:43 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he murdered the mods feelings

― door to door legume salesman (San Te), Monday, February 7, 2011 5:44 PM Bookmark

Dom wrote a ton of slanderous shit that had solicitors writing the site mods threatening legal action. This is why the mods decided to never unban him.

Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 03:21 (ten years ago) link

um, in that case...

MODS OTM

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 03:56 (ten years ago) link

besides MOD is DOM spelled backwards which means he = evil

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 03:57 (ten years ago) link

makes you think

scraping Doritos off the wheel (haitch), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 03:58 (ten years ago) link

also anagram of "asston mod pain"

superhans holbein (electricsound), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 03:59 (ten years ago) link

solicit ban

buzza, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 04:00 (ten years ago) link

what about the subset of posters who never saw the offending posts though? you'd be setting the bar really high considering there's a lot of active users who only read certain rolling threads or subforums. if someone's being a dick on ILM and only 40% of active users read ILM, they'd have immunity.

Why not make SBs board specific then? For example, I think most of Deej's irritatimg behaviour was confined to ILM. I don't read ILM that much, so I only noticed it in the 2010 albums poll thread. AFAIK Deej wasn't doing anything bad on ILE. So if more than 50% of regular ILM posters SB him, he's banned from ILM but not ILE (unless he gets an equal amount of SBs from ILE too).

Whether it's half or a quarter of whatever is defined as an active user is irrelevant. Let's do one of those annoying and pointless irl analogies:

A man is having a seriously noisy party with loud music, shouting, fighting, people throwing up in the street and lots of generally antisocial and dickish behaviour. He is really annoying several (say 5) of his neighbours. Should their complaints carry any weight at all when like 50 people live in that street and 25 of them are at the party getting mashed and don't give a shit?

Your analogy is flawed. Irritating behaviour on message board is confined to specific threads, and doesn't "bleed" into the whole board, unlike the noise and antisocial behaviour in your example. For example, it seems Deej's irritating behaviour was mostly in ILM rap threads, and since I don't usually read them, he didn't really bother me. A proper analogy would be a case where someone posted some bullshit into every single thread on ILX - and I'm pretty sure more than 50% of regular posters would want this person banned then.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 07:52 (ten years ago) link

This party was confined to a specific street and didn't bleed into the whole town. However, many people in neighbouring streets were in agreement that that sort of behaviour was unacceptable in their town.

AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 10:04 (ten years ago) link

Also, see where I said "annoying and pointless irl analogies"? - I was entirely serious there. People are always coming up with "if it was in a bar/wedding/workplace" examples which never make any sense as the rules of social engagement are already well established in those places and most people know what is acceptable behaviour (unless they work with San Te).

AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 10:06 (ten years ago) link

lol

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 12:05 (ten years ago) link

This party was confined to a specific street and didn't bleed into the whole town. However, many people in neighbouring streets were in agreement that that sort of behaviour was unacceptable in their town.

But even if "many people in the neighbouring streets" were in agreement, what if this "many people" isn't the majority? Would it be fair that "many people" can make a decision to evict the unacceptable neighbour instead of it being a majority decision?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 14:18 (ten years ago) link

The idea that the SB threshold was ever intended to represent "majority opinion" needs to be nixxed really, Keith merely coded it as representing a high number.

It is pretty high - there are only about four people above 30 at any given time and only about 15 users (out of hundreds) above 15 or so. Most posters barely get suggest banned at all. So for anyone to get to 50 in a six-month period they have to be doing *something* to bother a sizeable number of people.

If you're going to raise the threshold to represent 51% of all users you might as well not have it at all (although it might still take Whiney out the rate he accumulates them).

Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 14:33 (ten years ago) link

I didn't mean to say it was "intended to" represent the majority opinion, but if it doesn't, it has no proper moral validity. If it's supposed to represent the voice of many posters, but every time someone gets SBed many people say that he shouldn't have been banned, or that SB shouldn't exist at all, whose opinion counts more? With some technique of measuring the amount of regular posters you could actually justify the bans. Now it's just a random number (51) against an undetermined number of people in opposition.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 14:46 (ten years ago) link

We need a stay or go poll every time someone hits 51.

seminal fuiud (NickB), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 14:55 (ten years ago) link

51 isn't random. It was actually chosen because it's the maximum number of people before a fap becomes a rave.

kkvgz, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 14:56 (ten years ago) link

We could have a rabid white supremacist posting dozens of messages a day and I doubt we'd get to 51% of all posters asking for him to be banned. I mean obviously in that case it'd be a no-brainer for the mods but it doesn't mean that everyone else is opposed to his ban.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 14:56 (ten years ago) link

No one said it should be 51% of all registered posters. Just measure the amount of regular posters one way or another (for example, the way I outlined upthread), and base the number on that. Even it's not perfect, it's still much more valid than a random number.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:00 (ten years ago) link

"even if it's not perfect"

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:01 (ten years ago) link

You wouldn't even get to 51% of active users.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:01 (ten years ago) link

The primary rule is don't be a dick. If 51 people think that you are somewhere between dick and sociopath then you probably should examine your behaviour.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:02 (ten years ago) link

If 51 people think that you are somewhere between dick and sociopath then you probably should examine your behaviour.

How do you know all of the 51 people clicked "suggest ban" for this exact reason?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:03 (ten years ago) link

you don't, but at some point you have to make an assumption.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:04 (ten years ago) link

You wouldn't even get to 51% of active users.

Then it should be obvious the suggest ban system has no real moral validity and it should be switched off.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:04 (ten years ago) link

But 51 is a lot of burritos. Even if you had 500 active burritos, 51 would be a lot.

kkvgz, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:05 (ten years ago) link

Stop talking about "moral validity". There doesn't need to be any. ILX is and always has been a privately controlled message board, it isn't the foundation of a democratic constitution or a Vatican council or anything else.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:06 (ten years ago) link

51% of active users is similarly arbitrary, tyranny of the majority and all that. More than 51% of british people would like the death penalty to be brought back, it doesn't make it the right moral choice or mean that we should.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:07 (ten years ago) link

so just go back to banning at mod discretion. SB is suggesting some kind of democratic input when, as you say, in reality it's purely arbitrary.

hoisin crispy mubaduck (ledge), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:08 (ten years ago) link

The death penalty is a considerably more divisive issue in Britain today than in other major countries in Western Europe or North America, a new Associated Press International Affairs poll conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs has revealed.

The poll, conducted in the UK in February 2007, finds that half the British public (50%) say they favour the death penalty for people convicted of murder, while 45% are opposed. This suggests a weakening of British support for capital punishment in recent years, since polls in the past have tended to find a clear majority in favour of restoring the death penalty.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:09 (ten years ago) link

damn you, great british public, getting more progressive and ruining my argument

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:10 (ten years ago) link

I think that introducing the death penalty here would be a step too far.

seminal fuiud (NickB), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:10 (ten years ago) link

I think the correct figure was over 51% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:12 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GI9VunCkEU

kkvgz, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:14 (ten years ago) link

Stop talking about "moral validity". There doesn't need to be any. ILX is and always has been a privately controlled message board, it isn't the foundation of a democratic constitution or a Vatican council or anything else.

Yeah, but the decision that the comfort of 51 posters weighs more than one person being able to post to this site is a moral decision. If it has no moral justification except that "the number is pretty high", then it's kind of a bad decision. Of course nothing has stopped it becoming the rule anyway, but wouldn't it be better if ILX modding was based on solid moral ground instead of random tyranny of the minority?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:15 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK3ZP6frAMc

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:15 (ten years ago) link

I agree with this call for solid moral ground on ILX and demand that all future mod actions conform to the 10 Commandments, and that we ban atheists.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:17 (ten years ago) link

Anyone who has admitted to using a condom is henceforth banned with immediate effect.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:17 (ten years ago) link

Post only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:18 (ten years ago) link

kant be arsed, sorry

dayo, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:20 (ten years ago) link

moral validity is a good goal for mod actions, since morals are totally objective and never subject to questioning.

and you are a part of everything and everything is like melting (ytth), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:46 (ten years ago) link

But my point exactly was that a majority decision is more objective.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 15:47 (ten years ago) link

You don't have a point, is the problem. Or, to be more precise, few of the people you are talking to think your point is valid.

Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:11 (ten years ago) link

i don't get this attitude of not recognising that it is a privilege, not a right, to post here. this isn't a public fucking park, tuomas.

just1n3, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:17 (ten years ago) link

The parkie kicked me out once for climbing a tree even though 67% of park-goers were completely unaware of my actions.

AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:19 (ten years ago) link

Tuomas I think the way your voice can be best heard is by you boycotting ILX, specifically all threads in the IMP and Mod Request boards

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:20 (ten years ago) link

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1153/1490353699_40d0fa7f3a_o.jpg

It would be pretty awesome if - instead of the white, minimal - background, our posts scrolled across this static image.

kkvgz, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:22 (ten years ago) link

I'm picturing a flasher running around a store screaming obscenities and exposing himself to people, and a couple of cops looking on; "shouldn't we do something?" "nah, what's the rush? he should be allowed to get to at least half the customers before we arrest him."

some dude, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:31 (ten years ago) link

That would be the moral thing to do.

kkvgz, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:32 (ten years ago) link

Dom wrote a ton of slanderous shit that had solicitors writing the site mods threatening legal action. This is why the mods decided to never unban him.

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Monday, February 7, 2011 10:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

btw i've never heard you describe the circumstances of dom's ban in this way before, i probably wouldn't have made as much noise about how an indefinite ban is unreasonable if i didn't have the impression he just said something rude and personal to you in an e-mail.

some dude, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:33 (ten years ago) link

to be fair, it was dan's lawyers who were threatening legal action

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:35 (ten years ago) link

some dude 180ing on this is kinda depressing

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:37 (ten years ago) link

has the idea of temporary board bans even been acknowledged or are mods still doing that thing where they act like the most ridiculous opposition poster represents what the rest of us want too

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:39 (ten years ago) link

I don't actually know what you want, you said you wanted one thing, I pointed out that was basically the status quo already, and you're still complaining. Sometimes I think you just oppose things for the sake of it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:48 (ten years ago) link

wait, what did i do a 180 on

some dude, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:49 (ten years ago) link

http://www.styleceo.com/images/stores/46/1/180s-earmuffs-urban-2125321

kkvgz, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:50 (ten years ago) link

I'm curious about who Dom slandered.

kkvgz, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:51 (ten years ago) link

I mean in this case banning Whiney and Deej from ILM would only relocate their beef to another board. And most posters who are SB'ed get it from across a range of boards.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:55 (ten years ago) link

http://www.everythinginmoderation.org/2003/10/on_building_killfiles_into_your_communities.shtml

But while they seem like an obvious solution to user-on-user fighting and troll-avoidance, killfiles (and other forms of 'ignore user' functionality) have considerable problems and by themselves are not particularly effective ways of helping a community self-manage. For a start they immediately and inevitably start fracturing the ways in which individuals see the community around them. If every user has a different killfile (or even if a substantial minority do) then each has a different view of the community around them, who has spoken, who is silent and what the gist of the current conversation might be. The consequences may not be catastrophic, but they are irritating - people start talking at cross purposes, individuals talk over one another, repeating suggestions, misinterpreting cues. In fact the only circumstances where killfiles work is where pretty much everyone on the community decides to killfile precisely the same people - or when the culture is strong enough that they simply won't be abused. These circumstances are ... rare ...

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:57 (ten years ago) link

The consequences may not be catastrophic, but they are irritating - people start talking at cross purposes, individuals talk over one another, repeating suggestions, misinterpreting cues.

^most threads

zvookster, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:02 (ten years ago) link

people start talking at cross purposes, individuals talk over one another, repeating suggestions, misinterpreting cues.

Yes, God help us if that ever happens to ILX.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:02 (ten years ago) link

haha

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:03 (ten years ago) link

wait, what did i do a 180 on

― some dude, Tuesday, February 8, 2011 11:49 AM (11 minutes ago)

idk maybe i'm misremembering your stance on SB

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:05 (ten years ago) link

The primary rule is don't be a dick.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, February 8, 2011 3:02 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this kind of wheaton's law/google prime directive stuff is glib verging on content free imo (and is not accurate descrption of ilx)

caek, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:09 (ten years ago) link

i think you might be! although i'm not sure what i may or may have not said about it early on when the policy was more of a theory or a threat than an existing thing that has had very plain and clear effects. (xpost)

some dude, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:10 (ten years ago) link

be a dick, but don't be an annoying or psychotic dick

omar little, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:10 (ten years ago) link

hahaha

zvookster, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:11 (ten years ago) link

be a big dick, but don't be a fully erect Ron Jeremy or anything

some dude, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:11 (ten years ago) link

just keep whatever you're spewing out of my eye.

kkvgz, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:12 (ten years ago) link

oook

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:26 (ten years ago) link

i try to approach ilxspeak the same way as i would a conversation in a bar. It's cool to get heated if you're among friends or even to crash another conversation if you have something pertinent to say but when you start randomly screaming obscenities or being hateful or stupid or start spilling beers on people that's when you get 86'd/51'd

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:28 (ten years ago) link

btw i've never heard you describe the circumstances of dom's ban in this way before, i probably wouldn't have made as much noise about how an indefinite ban is unreasonable if i didn't have the impression he just said something rude and personal to you in an e-mail.

I thought I had said this before but I just went back and looked and I hadn't. That is obviously my fault. Dom's treatment of other posters on the boards also factored into the decision; probably a decision was made to only communicate that side of things to the public at large but I honestly don't remember.

Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:04 (ten years ago) link

Tuomas before I say anything here I need to be clear on how you feel about the suggest ban system

hey there!!

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:06 (ten years ago) link

sucked back in by meta

zvookster, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:08 (ten years ago) link

there are a lot of things I can resist in this world but explaining the moral imperative of suggest ban to Tuomas is not one of them

i recall hearing abt the legal aspect of doms bann - ircc the guy other guy was being somewhat unreasonable - obs not that dom wasnt too - tho tbh i dont really remember too clearly and im sure i never had all the infos - would be curious to hear details

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:09 (ten years ago) link

:D aerosmith!

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:10 (ten years ago) link

sucked back in by meta

― zvookster, Tuesday, February 8, 2011 12:08 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

http://www.fullcardreports.com/images208/SilvioDante.jpg

Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:14 (ten years ago) link

to be honest people who share my love of SB lols should rush to SB me before I can really get going on this subject...51'd while speaking in defense of 51-ing would be like the purple heart of suggest ban

Do you need someone to explain what happened to you, or do you pretty much understand what's going on?

kkvgz, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:17 (ten years ago) link

Perhaps he should print this entire thread and read it in a large leather chair while smoking a pipe.

bnw, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:22 (ten years ago) link

the only thing I need to know is that my colleague Tuomas still labors in the endless darkness of opposition to SB, and I feel that I am the man best equipped to liberate him from illusion on this question - for example, he writes:

But my point exactly was that a majority decision is more objective.

but here, see: yes, one majority, the one Tuomas proposes, would be a majority of active posters on the board. but the majority Tuomas chooses to ignore is the % of the 51 who clicked, which is 100. One hundred percent! That's not just a majority, it's an overwhelming majority. That can't really be offset by the proposed competing majority, which is a lot messier. 51 out of 51 is not just democracy, it's the most successful experiment in democracy anybody can recall. I honestly don't see how anybody can argue with this

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Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:25 (ten years ago) link

51 out of 51 is not just democracy, it's the most successful experiment in democracy anybody can recall. I honestly don't see how anybody can argue with this

I'm not terribly passionate on the subject but it would be easy to argue that this could be abused as a kind of tyranny. An organized coterie of 51 sb ninjas could, drunk on their own power, ban anybody they pleased regardless of the poster's popularity or innocuousness to the board as a whole.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:31 (ten years ago) link

right, I get that, and I see how it would be a drag, but at the same time, I don't see how anybody can argue that it's unfair or undemocratic, since it requires not just simple majority but unanimity: if you're against that, and yet you're invoking ideas of fairness and majorities and so on, I'm unclear as to how you don't see the essential disconnect

I just realized I already work on a sort of killfile system; if I don't like someone in a thread or don't care for a derail or ven just a convo that bores me, I skip it. If it takes over the thread, I go elsewhere. If ILX is dull, I go somewhere else.

I can see the need for banning certain ppl, but I'm inclined to think the threshold should be somewhat high, not only because of a certain decent regard for diverse ways of thinking and expressing oneself and a respect for circumspection above passion, but also because a certain person can be banned for misbehavior on one thread on one board only for his correspondents on another thread on another board to be completely in the dark as to why he's suddenly gone and to feel that thread impoverished for it. Maybe 51 is high enough wrt the average traffic on the board. I have no idea.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:51 (ten years ago) link

I'm so incredibly happy aerosmith resurfaced to take down Tuomas' No-SB crusade. Its like Superman returning to fight Zod.

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:52 (ten years ago) link

On second thought, Tuomas is more like Nuclear Man...

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:53 (ten years ago) link

ilx would be a total site of free play where the line btw author and utterance would be oblitarated

we would all be each others' socks, it would be so amazing.

― goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:26 (Yesterday)

there should be at least one board where this is possible

― ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:28 (Yesterday)

http://www.yourworldoftext.com/77

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:55 (ten years ago) link

a) I completely forgot about that
b) I can't believe it still exists

ENBB, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:58 (ten years ago) link

Also, I don't care but are ppl going to yell at you because that was from a 77 thread?

ENBB, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:59 (ten years ago) link

yelling is undemocratic, they should simply ban

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 19:00 (ten years ago) link

ha!

ENBB, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 19:01 (ten years ago) link

WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING?

dell (del), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 19:57 (ten years ago) link

i recall hearing abt the legal aspect of doms bann - ircc the guy other guy was being somewhat unreasonable - obs not that dom wasnt too - tho tbh i dont really remember too clearly and im sure i never had all the infos - would be curious to hear details

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:09 (2 hours ago)

The incident you're thinking of is the one he (briefly) boasted about on 77, some lamer political bloggers. There was some kind of legal threat from these guys, I forget the specifics. They asked to have some post that dom had made removed, and even though I thought they were assholes, their request was quite reasonable, so I removed it. I fired him an email asking him to keep this off ilxor, which he did, although he later claimed I'd sent him a strongarm email about the matter, which I hadn't.

There was another incident, much more serious. His habit of constantly making out that this or that person is racist, antisemitic, homophobic etc, always based on the most specious school debating society logic came very close to getting us in serious legal trouble with a british publication, one of who's writers he slandered as...errrr....actually I can't even remember, one of the above anyway. There may be other incidents that I do not know about. I will note that under one of his sockpuppet attempts at reregistering, he posted that IIRC some major grime act was antisemitic, based on evidence that was questionable at best.

This isn't why dom got banned - he got banned for being a consistently poisonous, backbiting bitchy asshole on the boards. This is why he isn't welcome here anymore though.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 21:23 (ten years ago) link

NEW SUGGESTION

for every new SB, ilx has to let back one of its permanently banned posters. like in the bible

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:02 (ten years ago) link

I just realized I already work on a sort of killfile system; if I don't like someone in a thread or don't care for a derail or ven just a convo that bores me, I skip it. If it takes over the thread, I go elsewhere. If ILX is dull, I go somewhere else.

this is the kind of thing that was endlessly hashed out back in the day, but it's always posters who've never actually been singled out or targeted or creeped on who say this.

lextasy refix (lex pretend), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:08 (ten years ago) link

so wait did the Dom getting some paper mad about things he posted on ilx happen before he was banned, at the same time, or while he was under a tempban that became permanent because of that?

some dude, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:37 (ten years ago) link

yes.

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:43 (ten years ago) link

Dom did not "get some paper mad about things he posted on ilx", he knowingly posted a libelous statement about a notable UK journalist.

It was made known to us after he got banned.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:44 (ten years ago) link

i have no idea why ilx would be liable for that but i mean w/e its not like im tryna get him unbanned

plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:47 (ten years ago) link

because uk libel laws are nuts

goole, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:47 (ten years ago) link

i wasn't on ilx during dom & ethan era--or at the very least just reading random ilm threads & not having any conception of who was who--so i can only imagine what it was like & sometimes happen on old threads & i am still p mystified so to what the great horrible crime was besides just being dicks? something abt having sex w/ some1s girl while reading ilx?

flopson, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:53 (ten years ago) link

lol that was l0u1s jagg3r

gr8080, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:56 (ten years ago) link

I lurked during that time and ethan was a++ hilar, dom was on some kind of abuser level tho

dayo, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 00:15 (ten years ago) link

that sounds like a fair assessment.

estela, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 00:21 (ten years ago) link

dom's most memorable moment for me was after italy won the world cup and he wrote this really heartfelt and sincere post about how much it meant to him and italy...didn't know he had it in him

it was like watching a criminal confess that the reason behind all his actions was because he had been abused as a child or something

dayo, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 00:24 (ten years ago) link

yeah i mean just to be clear ethan was never really suggest banned in the way other were, and no one has a problem with him coming back

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 00:28 (ten years ago) link

others*

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 00:28 (ten years ago) link

the worst ethan ever did was suggest fans of undie rap were herbs and front his rap knowledge .....

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 00:49 (ten years ago) link

dude could be a complete cunt when he wanted, tbf, but he was a good poster

acoleuthic, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 00:55 (ten years ago) link

i didn't particularly like him either but shrug

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 00:59 (ten years ago) link

I lurked during that time and ethan was a++ hilar, dom was on some kind of abuser level tho

dom was a++ hilar AND a horrible sociopath

basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 01:09 (ten years ago) link

dom has no place in a conversation about sb's, as has been made clear it was a mode/site issue. ethan left voluntarily after a totally run-of-the-mill temp ban for image bombing. neither are relevant to this discussion imo.

what I got from this thread (admittedly skimmed over the last week)

1. if we can make the SB button part of the user profile while still retaining the memory of which post the SB is coming from, some people think that would be better. this would mean that there wouldn't be an SB button next to every post.

2. some people think the 51'd should be allowed to post only on I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX; this seems like a good idea to me.

3. Pashmina OTM.

sleeve, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 01:14 (ten years ago) link

dom was a dick and I never liked him

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 01:14 (ten years ago) link

too lazy to google it, but i called dom 'don' consistently for like 3+ years to see if i could get his goat. goat got got, dom got gone

they call him (remy bean), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 01:25 (ten years ago) link

dom was a++ hilar AND a horrible sociopath

never understood people who thought like this

lextasy refix (lex pretend), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 02:20 (ten years ago) link

sometimes, he made very funny jokes

sometimes, he said savage and bitter things designed to hurt people, and generally waged a campaign to drive away people who didn't think like him

-

the community is far better off without his influence, but that doesn't mean old posts poking fun at failed britpoppers or grime acts can't occasionally draw a snicker. life is a tapestry!

basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:05 (ten years ago) link

I'm tattooing my balls with a stark black NUMBER 51 TO PROTEST THESE FASCIST TIMES

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:54 (ten years ago) link

hush

zvookster, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:56 (ten years ago) link

...

door to door legume salesman (San Te), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 04:17 (ten years ago) link

Yeah even I came round to Ethan eventually and he was directly spiteful and nasty to me a couple times - but he's sharp and funny and tbh I feel bad I told him I hoped he'd die once, lol.

Dom otoh I never saw any redeeming humnour in and I too am baffled at those who defend him, tho maybe I missed threads/borads where it happened. He purposedfully needled me on multiple occasions though, and for what I dont know - I never ever engaged with him, but he was a straaight-up nasty asshole to me anyway.

He is the only person I have SB'ed ever.

Senor DingDong (Trayce), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 04:30 (ten years ago) link

Bring back Kate.

bamcquern, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 04:34 (ten years ago) link

ethan was a real bastard on these boards but in the best possible sense, he was an A+ poster. i liked dom too but then again i don't know about any of this other stuff.

omar little, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 04:42 (ten years ago) link

Kate'll come back, she always does.

basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 04:46 (ten years ago) link

dom was never anything but reasonably friendly to me; never understood the hullaballoo, but that was back when the inner workings of ilx were opaque to me
ethan sort of established the ilx hardman schtick but he knew his shit

الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 04:47 (ten years ago) link

i found dom pretty off-putting at first but after i started to get his sense of humor more i really enjoyed his posts; he usually seemed to be mean about british stuff i don't care about and often in ways that i didn't really understand, so i'll take people's word for it about that.

some dude, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 04:50 (ten years ago) link

Dom is a fucking prince and this board is immeasurably poorer for his absence.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 08:32 (ten years ago) link

idk the way i feel abt when ppl defend dom, is like

i mean when he wrote that borderline rape fantasy abt some blogger chick on a blog entirely devoted to this creepy endeavour and all these guys here were like "ok that blog is creepy, but dom's one was still funny"

also kindof feel like the loose cannon hyperbole of bile is a p easy writing style, all you really require is a kind of base misanthrope and it writes itself. its not partic funny it just seems really losery and sad?

plax (ico), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 08:38 (ten years ago) link

Dom brought a lot of genuinely funny threads/posts on the tawdry horror of modern culture & politics. Also sometimes he said really nasty stuff about people who didn't deserve it. Also sometimes about people who did. I'm not gonna defend his frequent trips over the line into plain bad taste but if ever a poster was picking up SBs for what people thought he'd said, or based on his persona, then Dom was that poster.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 08:44 (ten years ago) link

my dream ilx is one where no one ever leaves or ever gets banned

gr8080, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 09:33 (ten years ago) link

so basically u want to trap us in ur neverending party

Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 09:56 (ten years ago) link

basically.

me, you, gabbnebb, ethan, tombot (hi tom) hstencil, dom, kate, killy, heave ho, nude spock, nickalicious, roger adultry, s1ocki, JW, ball labs, alex in NYC, squirrel police

everyone

gr8080, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 10:07 (ten years ago) link

What happened to Alex?

kkvgz, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 10:08 (ten years ago) link

he posts every once in a while.

gr8080, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 10:10 (ten years ago) link

I'm not gonna defend his frequent trips over the line into plain bad taste but if ever a poster was picking up SBs for what people thought he'd said, or based on his persona, then Dom was that poster

Hahaha no I'm pretty sure it was what he actually said rather than what "people thought he'd said". It's not like he didn't give haters plenty of ammunition.

The central issue here when talking about people like Dom and Ethan is how much of their shit people are prepared to tolerate or overlook for the sake of the good/interesting/funny stuff, and in all the defenders' views that threshold is pretty high.

Otoh you can't blame people for having a much lower threshold, and "deal with it and stop being so easily butthurt" is not really a sustainable way to keep a message board running. In any case it was getting hugely unpleasant and more than a little creepy around the height of meta-bitching circa 2008. The problem with complete laissez-faire where no one ever gets banned is that while it's great in theory but in reality it becomes a place where everyone can be as much of a cunt to other people as they want and that'd kill the inflow of new posters pretty quickly. It's about striking a balance really.

Personally I find it a much more enjoyable place to post now - maybe less funny on occasion, but it's still very funny and hey, we'll get new funny posters. For all the suggest ban clusterfucks, there are fewer clusterfucks about other things. And for every one poster who's been unwilling to or incapable of moderating their own posting style to avoid the SB there are two or three who have.

FWIW Ethan as explained can come back whenever he wants, maybe he just likes his life more without ILX in it, I dunno. I still prefer his posts to all the sub-Trifes.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 10:21 (ten years ago) link

i pretty much enjoyed ethan 95% of the time and often wish i could set him on some of the indie losers on ilm these days, like an attack dog.

dom was NOT REMOTELY FUNNY - as plax says it was just really mundane auto-misanthrope humour. and his awful "debating" "tactic" of pretending that his opponent was saying something completely different and then just running with that for entire threads ughhhh. you can't really separate out the asshole aspects of his character from the rest because his entire schtick was about being a malicious little cunt. "oh but dom was always nice to me" is the lamest defence tho - like all wannabe bullies he obviously didn't target everyone, and i find it hard to believe that any regular poster could've failed to notice how creepy, bullying and just plain poisonous he could be to his targets.

lextasy refix (lex pretend), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 10:53 (ten years ago) link

Miss the hell out of Ethan, and I didn't appreciate him enough when he was here. Dom...I sometimes wonder about his childhood.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 12:49 (ten years ago) link

This thread has moved into general meta about people who aren't around any more so I'm going to lock it.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 12:51 (ten years ago) link


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