Miami Dolphins Thread of Despair

oh how the world turns.

i think beck is the truth but we'll see i guess. he better have monster balls if he wants to go into philly and splash.

their d ain't that great anymore though.

LOLphins

yea the D's unraveling has been unreal this year

i was talking about the iggles but fins too.

I don't know how well Joey Porter is playing for the Dolphins, but the Steelers are definitely not missing him.

i think beck is the truth

Hope you're right. Why do you think Beck's so good? Can't be Cam/Cam's opinion that's swaying you, is it?

Wait wait, BJO is a Dolphins fan?

Like I've always said, BJO is all right.

Yea...I hate the fairweather fans around here though. On one occasion, at the Bills-Fins game in 2005, the one we came back from 21 down, I was at a bar watching and at halftime this Fins fan gets up and goes "omg I can't watch this no more, here, you are welcome to my beers" and gave his beers to a Bills fan!

stuff like that kills me!

ok i have on no authority that john beck is good. he just seems really... together... i guess.

i will be back home in miami watching the game (first full one i've been able to see this year) and will be reporting back to this thread frequently.

my prediction:

15-24 210 2 TD 2 INT

I had a dream last night that Miami won this game.

The problems with this dream:

Chris Chambers was still on the team.

The score was 9-4 despite two reported Miami touchdowns.

So at least if we don't win for real, I'll always have the dream!

On another note, J0rdan, what are your thoughts on Ricky Williams? Personally, I think Miami has the absolute right not to take him back, but I want him back, for this year only. Just to save us from potential embarassment and improve depth at RB--look at how Chatman was overused last week in the first half.

i have mad love for ricky and would love to see him back, but i would understand if they just cut him loose. i think him + ronnie would be a really great 1-2.

seen a lot of really good htings from beck today. mostly that he hasn't locked in on one reciever on any of his throws. he clearly can make plays and make throws and obv he will grow. the fact that he looks around @ his options before his throws shows a lot of composure and i think for young guys the ability to be under control is just almost more important as being able to make the throws, which will come in time.

Yea, what I saw from Beck is sort of what I expected for a first time rookie.

Sucks that our offense was shut out but I was happy to see Ginn finally get his return.

If -- and this is a big if, given the questionable moves by this franchise -- the Dolphins can capitalize on their cap space and draft picks in the offseason, there is hope for the future.

Yea...ultimately I'd like to see us trade down for more 1st/2nd round picks since it's obvious that there is talent to be found all over the draft, hell Zach Thomas was a 5th rounder who was supposed to play primarily special teams.

It just kills me to watch the team Miami throws out there every Sunday. I'm not sold on Cameron, granted he's a first timer coach but the team never looks prepared, and he cost them a timeout on that 4th down gofer.

Yea...ultimately I'd like to see us trade down for more 1st/2nd round picks since it's obvious that there is talent to be found all over the draft.

I'm torn. On the one hand, I agree that Miami needs help everywhere, which cuts in favor of having more picks (not just the overall No. 1). On the other hand, I'm not sure I trust the team's management to make good decisions in the draft, which cuts in favor of selecting the overall No. 1, who may be more of a sure thing (or, put differently, making the draft mistake-proof, even for possibly inept management).

i'm with daniel, esq. on this one. i remember when the pats had all these extra picks from the jets from when they signed parcells and curtis martin, they blew every goddamn pick and went from the superbowl to the outhouse in four years.

i think they take the #1 and pick glenn dorsey, the DT from LSU. it's a safe pick and it immediately helps out the dolphins most glaring hole: run defense. i guess it wouldn't be a real spectacular pick, but i honestly thing we have a good nucleus with beck + brown + ginn (or else we have to believe we do and pick accordingly). i'm not sure trading down is the right answer, because after finally getting to watch a full game, i think this team is a few players away from competition rahter than say 8 or 9 players away.

and along with what daniel and chi kev said, if we get this bundle of picks and go on and squander every single one, we are beyond screwed, whereas if we take a pretty sure pick @ 1 (a julius peppers type pick rather than, say, a david carr one) then i think that goes a long way towards getting back up to respectability.

the only instance in which i'd advocate trading down is if they could still get a pick inside the top 5. i'm not necessarily sure i would have confidence in these guys picking @ #9 again this year.

Wow. What does this say about our collective confidence -- or lack thereof -- in the team's management (or, at minimum, it's talent evaluators)?

probably not a lot, though i guess i'll go on record as being in support of both the ginn and beck picks. there are some other young guys on the team who i really like— lehan, rodrick wright, the somoan center— but i don't know, i'd hate to see them take the equivalent of a ginn reach and have it not pan out (which i think ginn has and will).

the main problem w/ the ginn pick is that ginn + beck have to be compared to brady quinn, and god knows when he is gonna start playing.

the main problem w/ the ginn pick is that ginn + beck have to be compared to brady quinn, and god knows when he is gonna start playing.

That's right. The other nagging problem I have with the Dolphins is the head coach. When I hear him -- with all his equivocating and focusing on the positives -- I think, "Uhh, a prototype coordinator." That is, the type of coach who acted as a buffer between players and the scary head coach, e.g., Dave Wannstedt, Norv Turner. These aren't the kind of coaches I want as the head coach, though. Notwithstanding notable exceptions (Tony Dungy, a great coach), I want a head coach who scares the players. I'm not at all convinced Cam/Cam is that type.

Wannstedt and Turner are examples of who I think are "prototype coordinators." Sorry, I should have been clearer.

i have confidence in cam, or rather i am willing to give him a few years. i've gotten to the point in my football watching life whre i've about stopped trying to figure out who will be a good coach or why coach x is a good coach. i don't doubt that cam knows his Xs and Os, but doesn't norv turner also? but what do we make of mike tomlin then? what about romeo crennel? why are the latter two having successful seasons— one right off the bat and the other in what probably would have been his final year.

nick saban was a notrious my way or the highway guy and all that got the dolphins is where they are now. imo, what this team really needs is to bring in a coach with a proven track record, something like what the cowboys did w/ parcells. for us, maybe it could be a cowher or a holmgren or something. wayne definitely has the money and the desire for the team to win.

imo, what this team really needs is to bring in a coach with a proven track record, something like what the cowboys did w/ parcells. for us, maybe it could be a cowher or a holmgren or something. wayne definitely has the money and the desire for the team to win.

Yes. I'd happily dump Cameron in favor of Cowher or Parcells. But which of these top-notch, proven coaches wants to take a chance here?

not only would bringing in a proven coach give us the ability (or the confidence, i guess) to be able to point at their record and say, "yes, this coach has won X games and been to the playoffs and the super bowl), but it would knock the dolphins out of this rut where we as fans are basically in this perpetual three year "rebuilding" window where we are supposed to sit and wait to see if the newest coach pans out. hiring a proven coach would— i'm assuming— move the franchise immediately in the right direction, and besides that being good on the field, it would take away this awful nagging uncertainty that we've had to deal with for 4 or 5 years now.

i think they'd have to show that we have players worth coaching: beck would have to show that he is a viable starter, ronnie would have to stay healthy, ginn would have to break out. we would have to shore up the defense. but bringing in someone would probably happen down the line, and these things i just mentioned would also have to happen down the line. then again, i truly believe that this team is just 2 or 3 or 4 players away.

then again, i truly believe that this team is just 2 or 3 or 4 players away.

I wish I agreed with you there.

i guess when i say that i mean 2 or 3 or 4 missing players, meaning with the growth/improvement of beck/ginn/hagan the return of ronnie/zach and the improvement of the o-line. i think we're really missing a good defensive back (will allen would be a great #2 corner), a great, young defensive lineman and maybe something else i'm not thinking of (maybe a tackle or something idk).

what about romeo crennel?

he'd been with belichick since 1991 until he got the browns job, i'm pretty sure he picked up a thing or two about motivating players. plus he cleaned house his first year there, i thought i read somewhere that by opening day of his second season there were only 8 players on the team from opening day of butch davis' last year.

Shhhh . . . Ricky May Play Monday

MY HEART WOULD EXPLODE WITH JOY

Ricky probably gives Miami its only chance of winning--controlling the clock and the possibility for big plays.

But, then again, he was extremely rusty in his first game back in 2005, when he had taken a year off. I expect a lot more rust this time around--and if Chatman isn't good to go, that hurts things a bit.

Must play the hand you're dealt.

Have Lemons? Make Lemonade.

wtf, another lightning delay? this never happens! that's twice this year

Have Lemons? Make Lemonade.

I would kind of love the orange-and-teal paper bag to become the cheesehead of south florida

dammit you're letting him complete all these passes in THIS field condition?

INT!

I'm not watching the game now, but -- from the EPSN NFL GameCast -- it looks ugly. First Downs: Steelers six, Dolphins none. Total Yards: Steelers 80, Dolphins 11. Total Plays: Steelers 16, Dolphins 3.

B.A.D. bad.

the field has no lines

lol the other announcers wanting no part of kornhiesers weed-neutral rant

well it's only ugly because of the field.

and I can't say it's HURTING the dolphins. But Beck still looks nervous. But Cam is doing some stupid playcalling. the one time Beck threw on first down it set up a first down a play later. Let him throw more. You're 0-10. are you really afraid of ...gasp...a turnover?

Yeah. I hated the Dolphins lethargic last drive. They should have hurried to the line and let Beck throw. It's just not a sufficient moral victory to go to halftime as an 0 -- 10 team in a zero-zero tie.

yea I was miffed about that too. Guess this is the first ever conservative 0-10 team.

I'm going to the game next week. I really hope I get my money's worth

I didn't know that Miami had also signed Keith Traylor. That is one old defense.

I think Beck's going to be a pretty good player.

ok, I officially don't like Cam Cameron.

Now after being too conservative before the half, he gets too aggressive and goes on 4th and 15.

NOw, I agree that the FG may have gone horribly off kilter, but (barring a block) I'd have rather tried that than go on 4th and 15th when Pittsburgh was obviously going to blitz.

Or PUNT. at least win the field position game. Now we're gonna keep starting drives at the 5, 10, and 15.

We've had Traylor for the last two years.

and agreed on Beck

out two timeouts already. great (and one was Cam's fault, just like last week).

This is the most boring game of the last...oh, three seasons?!

yea, and for my team's sake I'm glad. but I can't imagine watching this if I had no vested interest in the game. yech.

I didn't see the game last week, so I was kind of interested in seeing Beck at qb. Tonight's not the night to gauge him, tho.

he's actually not done bad all things considered. I mean this is getting frustrating to lose all of our running backs.

This is the most boring game of the last...oh, three seasons?!

You apparently haven't been following the Dolphins this year.

This game is riveting, judged on a curve. That punt drove into the turf!; most exciting Dolphins-related play this season.

I'm not convinced that step on Ricky's back couldn't have been avoided. I mean, I know normalcy is suspended when there's a loose ball, but that kind of looked like a Steeler went out of his way to stomp Ricky.

I hate Tony Kornheiser.

that kick was hilarious

does anyone find it funny that he found it ludicrous that Miami would think of a 48 yard field goal yet he basically said it'd be stupid for PIttsburgh not to try a 44 yarder?

Hold . . . Hold . . .

Gah. Where is our pass protection?

Oy vey, that kick.

FUCKING. FIRE. THIS. COACH.

DEAR WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE,

FIRE CAM CAMERON!

THX,
JF

geez I mean the field goal may have looked like shit again but come on, 4th and 11? again?

Cam, go fuck yourself.

Fire Cameron immediately after the game.

Can the NFL suspend a coach for negligence?

LOL.

So, only 90 yards to go. NP.

I mean...I'm the nicest guy in the world when it comes to Miami coaches. I defended Wannstedt.

But NOTHING I've seen this year tells me Cam is ready to be a coach. He has the worst time management skills of any coach (blows timeouts due to not feeding in playcalls among other things)...and....I...just....

a tie isn't so bad. only 21 more minutes.

wow wow I just got home and ate and turned this on
wow wtf

i actually really like terico, korny & jaws as a broadcasting team..too bad MNF gets such a shitty scheduling of games

this game seems like that legendary mich-osu game where the teams were punting every 1st down in hopes the other team would eff up

The MNF announcers are laughing at us.

Please dear God I swear I will burn all of my Deicide cds if Miami can force a fumble and run it all the way back for the game winning TD. I'll even go on tour with dc talk

Who is/are Deicide? Like ICP?

BJO, you unbanned from ILM? You need to be.

Dammit, Pittsburgh.

if we lose this I'm gonna be on suicide watch.

not just cuz we lost. but cuz they coulda saved me 3 hours by losing 42-0

I'd kind of like to see overtime now, just for the wtf-ness of it.

Oh, don't worry: We are going to lose this game.

WE Dolphins fans must have been child murderers in another life.

No. It's just payback for the perfect season. Sadly, the Patriots are riding a karma wave because of all their horrible teams in the 70s/80s.

How sad.

god...fucking...dammit.

God, just for that, I'm joining the Church of Satan

Ginn = miracle man?

so do the '76 buccaneers get together and pop champagne in the event that the dolphins eventually win?

Um, no.

x-post

They made a joke earlier about the 76 Bucs tapping a keg.

Don't worry: There's still 2 seconds left.

3-0? That's a soccer score.

Sadly, the Patriots are riding a karma wave because of all their horrible teams in the 70s/80s.

you guys never should've stopped playing at the orange bowl. pats went more than 20 years without a win there.

hey, how did willie parker do?

it wasn't a banner night for anyone.

do you realize that the last time we won was almost exactly a year ago?

WTF on those last two plays?

Amaturish.

fuck, parker gave the other team 8 points, i lost by one.

THANKS FOR THAT NEGATIVE ONE POINT YOU GAVE ME DESHAUN FOSTER.

that's twice this year i've had a player give me negative points, i had to start jason campbell on derek anderson's bye week and i wound up in a tie. fuck.

so when I trek down to Dolphin Stadium with my best friend and his wife next week.....never in a million years did I think we'd be winless going on this trip.

lolll

Cameron sounds terrible in his post-game conference.

completely meaningless game. beck looked really good again considering circumstances. it would have been nice to win, but we aren't going winless. we will beat the jets or the ravens.

I love how he was trying to rationalize not attempting the FG the second time---when Feely had better turf to kick from!!---and, instead, going for it on 4th and 11. MORANS!

Worst game of all time?

Beck didn't do bad at all. considering he ran out of running backs and had very bad footing, I was pretty impressed.

Cam is going to have shit smeared over his front door tomorrow morning.

We can beat the Jets. Can't see us beating the Ravens.

I love how he was trying to rationalize not attempting the FG the second time---when Feely had better turf to kick from!!---and, instead, going for it on 4th and 11. MORANS!

-- Johnny Fever, Monday, November 26, 2007 10:46 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this was beyond retarded. if anything they should ahve just pooched it. the ball was stopping dead where it landed, it would have been a cinch to get it inside the 7. no way pitt was going 90 yards.

Worst game of all time?

-- Mr. Snrub, Monday, November 26, 2007 10:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i thought it was a pretty fun game to watch. since the field was fucked it added a pretty fun little element to the game. a 13-9 titans/raiders game in perfect conditions is much more worse game ever than this.

I have to think if we still had Trent we'd maybe be 2-9, or 3-8.

or hell, Ronnie. by week 17 we're going to have Ki-Jana Carter at running back

i'm really serious about the dolphins beating the ravens. remember i'm saying this. the ravens are really, really awful. this year, they've beat the jets by 7, the cards by 3, san fran by 2 and st. louis before they were healthy by 19. we really could win the game (it's at home btw).

yeah if ronnie was around we'd have won a game by now.

Technically Miami's offense has yet to score a TD with John Beck. Last week was with Ginn on a return!

also about the Ravens, I don't see why we can't beat them--I'm with j0rdan on this one.

Offffff. I dunno..If we don't beat the Jets next week, look out below.

i mean you can't really count the pitt game in there. we had 4 plays from the 1 against the iggles, so i guess we've "scored" w/o scoring. if cameron had just called a run play up the middle or something on 4th and 1 from the goalline we wouldn't be having this discussion.

oh I'm in no way blaming Beck. if anything I think Cameron's babying him too...and being stupid. which he's apparently good at.

at buffalo isn't totally out of the question, i guess.

i think cam's done a decent job with him, in terms of like, letting him throw on third downs and stuff and not running draws and screens on 3rd & 9 or what have you. cam makes like 2 or 3 really boneheaded decisions a game, but i'm willing to give two years, tbh. he inhereted a truly awful team, took his guys, and he's playing them. he deserves time, not to mention firing him after 2 years really isn't gonna do much unless you're hiring andy reid or bill cowher or something.

well are those rumors still out there about him being a candidate for a college job?

i guess but i can't imagine many college fanbases would feel good about getting a coach with a career 0-11 record, so i can't imagine that he'll be hired.

yea but it's the NFL...success in the two are often exclusive. he was winless when they first approached him too :)

no i know but you get what i'm saying.

"hey look we know the guy won exactly no games in the nfl but he's really gonna be good at this college thing, we swear!" etc.

Yea. I dunno, part of me thinks Cam is just more suited to be a coordinator. I wonder if Miami would have acted different if they know Marty would be available.

Not that that would have made a world of difference, I mean, Miami being 'bad' this year wasn't a huge surprise. Being THIS bad was.

That's the worst thing, though. Miami's not stupid bad, they're just unlucky bad. And an unlucky team is always more painful to watch than one that just sucks outright.

Problem is they thought their defense would hold up forever.

I still find it funny that Beck has Fiedler's number. talk shit about Fiedler all you want, dude played on winning teams and he did pull out some crazy comebacks

i don't think miami is "that" bad. as i've stated on this thread before, i think we are only two or three players away from being competitve. we all know the stats on how close the games have been. if dude from texans hadn't made the longest kick of the year, if player x had caught y pass etc. etc.

yeah and he made the playoffs and even won a game. i like dude.

yea but some of that is misleading to a degree.

It took a frantic comeback from 18 down to make the Jets game a three point affair, which still hinged on an onside that we didn't recover. and that Giants game, we didn't close the gap until 3 until late as well despite the Giants practically insisting on giving them the game.

certainly this team isn't the 1990 Patriots or the 1991 Colts but they've had some atrocious games. I think we are many players away from being a .500 team. Fortunately the NFL is the type of league where quick turnarounds happen frequently...and supposedly we have a lot of cap room next year.

guess but i can't imagine many college fanbases would feel good about getting a coach with a career 0-11 record, so i can't imagine that he'll be hired.

pete carrol was a mediocre pro coach, seems to have done alright at usc. some guys are just cut out for the college game (i'm looking at you steve spurrier).

The Dolphins aren't going to beat the Ravens without a healthy running back. Even Chatman is banged up.

If the Raiders weren't such dicks they might give up Rhodes or Jordan, but instead they'd rather fight for those important wins to ensure a shittier draft pick.

but instead they'd rather fight for those important wins to ensure a shittier draft pick

they'll still get a great pick at a lower cost. contracts increase exponentially in the top 8 or so.

True enough.

that and the fact that the trade deadline ended almost a month ago and the only way it could happen is waivers.

Aaaaaaand Ricky's done for the year.
This is some Brady Bunch tiki curse shit.

that and the fact that the trade deadline ended almost a month ago and the only way it could happen is waivers.

Waivers isn't out of the question. Saving a bunch of money is a pretty good reason to waive someone when you have no chance, and you have an expensive dude sitting on the bench behind a bunch of younger guys.

not very likely in the case of those players.

Ricky done for the year?

That has to be the shortest lived comeback ever. Even Priest Holmes lasted a few weeks.

Yeah, Ricky lasted 5 carries.

Is it time to call in a priest yet?

How bad is Miami? They lose by their biggest point differential of the year to a woeful team that, aside from playing the Dolphins, is 1 -- 9. They made an inexperienced, backup quarterback look like a star. They couldn't amass 50 yards rushing against perhaps the worst run defense in the league. They left their own rookie quarterback -- who looked terrible -- to be savaged by a poor defensive line, via a pourous pass protection. They haven't scored an offensive touchdown in 11 quarters. Their totally biased hometown announcer said "When Miami has the ball, it looks confused and powerless." Their coach again mismanaged the clock.

Okay, that's enough. Yes, it's time to call a priest. It's sad. Miami is a proud franchise. What's worse, we're going to go 0 -- 16 the same year another team (and a former rival, when we were competitive) is about to go 16 -- 0 to best Miami's 1972 accomplishment.

I was at this game on Sunday.

I want my money back.

Seriously though, Cam is still mismanaging this team.

Beck playing the way he did, hell, what do you expect from a rookie in his third start? He unraveled after he made a bad read on the first pick.

But would CAm just take the training wheels off? Seriously, you're winless. What do you care if he throws a pick once in a while?

Beck also needs a TE to throw to. Martin sucks, Peele is sometimes alright.

Why the hell did we start a running back who could barely move when every paper seemed to predict he wouldn't play?

Ok. I am going to the local bar AGAIN to watch them. At this stage the charade is feeling tired but I'm still wearing my jersey out in public.

This morning I feel so bad about the season I'm watching old game footage just to remember what winning feels like!

Ha! Beck gets yanked and, in just two snaps, Cleo Lemon looks like a pro bowler.

, Cleo Lemon looks like a pro bowler.

Uh, no.

Well yeah, the next drive sort of returned the universe to normal.

@!%*@#

The Miami Dolphins confirmed they are the worst team in football this season -- and maybe ever -- by making Buffalo's popgun offense and banged-up defense look spectacular in dropping their 13th straight game.

(emphasis mine).

what if it's true?

this incarnation might be. if green and ronnie weren't hurt i think they'd probably have at least 1 win.

J0rdan, this can't be the first time the idea has crossed your mind.

We very well may be the worst team ever, maybe even including expansion teams. We are very, very -- very -- bad.

i honestly never considered that we might be the worst team ever. if and when we end up going 0-16 i guess it'll probably inarguable.

sucks that that loss to houston was on the longest field goal by any kicker this year.

dudes i really hope your team doesn't go winless. that would be horrible. not that one win years are much better but you at least get that one point of pride.

A win sounds nearly impossible to me at this point. Our final three: Ravens, Patriots, Bengals. Not great, but not my dream schedule for an 0 -- 13 team.

There ain't no way we are the worst team ever. Shit, the 1991 Colts averaged less than 10 points per game (about 8.8 if I'm not mistaken).

and the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs? I heard a story that they hired a defensive player off the street who had no time to learn the defense so they told him at gametime "rush the quarterback every play".

Yes...yes...expansion teams should have that leeway, so we are pathetic, and it does sadden me, but worst of all time? No way.

who knows, maybe we beat the Ravens?

I'm just...I dunno, today's loss didn't even make me mad. I'm numb, as a local radio broadcaster said.

i'd pin my hopes to the cincy team celebrating the end of the season a little early and maybe half the team dressed in bengals unis and the other half in prison greys.

yea seriously. I'll be at that game, too. ugh.

i have not an iota of fucken sympathy for u whimpering fagbabies (no offense bo u seem kewl) and the miami dolphins. the winningest franchise in nfl history, the franchise that can claim the greatest team (72 fins) and greatest QB (marino~~~~) of all time, the franchise whose losing seasons can be counted on ONE HAND? FUK U. FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U FUK U, U DESERVE EVERY OUNCE OF MISERY AFFORDED 2 U

silver lining to bjo: going to these games makes the winning seem sweeter anyway. i remember paying money to see the tommy hodson and hugh millen and marc fucking wilson-led pats. and i didn't even get to sit in the sun of south florida, i froze my balls off on those goddamn aluminum bleachers of sullivan stadium on the west side so i was in the shadows after 12 pm.

you're only a decade or so away from prosperity again.

omg ilu ade

haha well I've always kept things in perspective and made sure to point out that we aren't a 'long-suffering' franchise as some of our whiner fans have always seemed to think we are...the way some Dolphin fans talked about the team back before 2004 you'd have thought we went 2-14 frequently rather than going from 1989-2003 with at least an 8-8 record every year

still though. Miami doesn't 'deserve' this--their success was well earned over several years. I wouldn't wish the misery of this Fins season on any football fan!

still though. Miami doesn't 'deserve' this--their success was well earned over several years.

uhm, yeah they do. look at their picks, their coaching choices.... they're getting what they deserve.

oh yea no doubt I love going to the games, I usually go once or twice a year (would buy season tix if I lived anywhere near Miami).

So far I've gone to 10 games in my lifetime and they've gone 5-5 in those.

that isn't what I mean. the poster above implied that Miami deserved their plight because they had years of unbridled success...not sure if they thought this was a way of evening things out, but I disagree with that completely.

i'm not saying that they deserve it bcz of past success (they deserve it bcz FUK U~) just that i am delighted in the extreme by their current predicament~

fwiw they're not as bad an actual football team as the niners are, this year. if the pats go undefeated it will be something a bit fluky and lucky (ie. they were outplayed by baltimore but got the W anyway; the 85 bears weren't so lucky when they were outplayed by the fins), and by the same token if the fins go winless it won't necessarily be because they're the worst team ever.

oh, well i think i disagree with you. i kind of agree that "deserve" isn't the right word but i'm too fucked up to argue semantics at this point. just like the celtics were kings of the court for nearly 30 years the past decade and a half really humbled some "fans". makes me appreciate the new big three though.

er, xpostage.

the lemon + chatman + hagan version of the fins might be one of the worst teams ever. certainly not the green + brown + chambers version.

Cankles: I'm not crying about Miami's situation. It is what it is. With good management, we'll be back in a few seasons. My frustration is based on my feeling that we don't have "good management" now, and wanting competent, sly leadership steering the franchise.

On a related subject, there's this. It sounds like a "tip of the iceberg" look at the problem.

On the other hand, I thought the problem with Cam/Cam was that he was too weak a leader. The article implies that he's unpopular with Dolphins players because he's too unwilling to defer to the wishes and suggestions of certain team leaders, which makes him sound tough, maybe kind of. Either way, get us Coach Parcells, pronto.

i forgot where i read this, but it was written that a lot of the players are down on the team and cameron in general because he keeps preaching to them about how to be a "winning team" but his record as a head coach (between college and nfl) is 18-49 i think.

i think he has next year to win 5+ games or he's gone, unless they can wrangle in cowher or holmgren after this season.

there's seems to be a pretty troubling air of disbelief and skepticism.

He looks lost. He makes bizzare play calls at one crucial point in every game. His units have gotten progressively worse through the year (although, admittedly, the team has had a terrible rash of injuries). His choice of John Beck isn't looking too inspired to me now.

Absent a miracle turnaround in the last three games, I think it's time for Miami to cut and run (especially if a great alternative is available).

King and Costas tonight were talking about how Heizinger has never fired one of his coaches. They just resign. Would he fire Cam at the end of an 0-16 season? I certainly would, but I don't run the Dolphins.

im still a pretty big believer in beck. i hasten to support his firing, but idk i can't really imagine "He was once the coach of an 0-16 team, but now Cam Cameron has the Dolphins poised for the playoffs after a grueling 20-17 victory over the New England Patriots put the Dolphins one-game up in the AFC East" being the lede to a story 2 or 3 years down the road.

but then i look at someone like romeo crennel. so who knows.

It's hard to decide who is the most awful: the GM, the coach, or the players.

It's really hard to judge Beck. For one, he has a depleted WR unit to throw to, terrible protection from the oline, no quality tight ends, and....wait for it....he's a GODDAMN ROOKIE!

Dan Fouts was terrible for about 5 seasons before he took off. Elway struggled a bit his first few seasons. Steve young was awful on a bad Bucaneers team.

There is still plenty you CAN evaluate, but giving up on him would be silly. I thought he made some solid throws in the Pittsburgh game but had no kicking or running game to help him out. He did play badly against the Jets but no worse than a typical rookie does in those type of situations.

I think j0rdan put it best. the Green/Brown version of the team was loads better than this one. Had neither or just one of the two players sustained an injury, I think we may have started to make some progress and won a few games.

But I have to wonder what's going on. They didn't look mentally prepared today at all. Sloppy play, mental idiocy and stupid penalties...

also I don't think a team's fanbase needs to be saddled with a near winless season to gain some perspective on things. I think the 4-12 debacle of 2004 and the 6-10 mediocrity of last year has done that.

Besides, a large portion of the Dolphins fanbase are fairweather anyway so it won't matter, they won't learn anything.

yeah no one should feel bad for miami's general fanbase, tbh.

I'm losing faith in Beck. Yes, he's a rookie and yes, he's surrounded by very subpar talent. But Buffalo has, according to the AP Wire story after the game, a "popgun offense," which is also being run by a rookie quarterback. And Buffalo's rookie QB looked a lot better than ours.

It's too early to make a full judgment. But the reason fans demanded Beck at midseason is to see how he would perform in the NFL; to see if we had the answer at quarterback. Fans and the team should, therefore, be judging Beck's performance, even if he's given leeway.

Trent Edwards had thrown one touchdown to five interceptions coming into the Miami game.

Miami made Kellen Clemens look good. Most of Trent Edwards big plays came when he had all day to throw, too. I mean, he isn't really THAT impressive. Anybody looks impressive against our defense.

But I saw him in that Cowboys game and he is not going to be their answer.

With Beck, I think it's hard because it's difficult to tell what are his actual failings and what might be the failings of the team that are impacting his play.

For one, he does tend to rifle the ball too hard at short distance, but when he's patient, he actually throws nice passes.

Yesterday, other than the Keystone Kops move he did that led to a touchdown, he wasn't given much of a chance. Granted there were some blitzes he may have been able to beat if he was quicker, but there was one sack where he was literally touched by defenders less than a second after the ball was snapped. What in the world could he have done then?

I mean, I just think back to Alex Smith's first season and how horrible he was. I knew he wasn't THAT bad a quarterback, and sure enough he improved leaps and bounds his second season--granted he's still not 'there' yet but in the NFL, it used to be that you gave your quarterback 3-4 years to develop. Not anymore. Because of free agency QBs aren't given the time needed to develop.

I have to wonder if QBs like Terry Bradshaw, Dan Fouts, and other late bloomers would have ever made it big in the current version of the NFL.

(Note I'm not saying Beck IS our answer, but I don't know that we have enough game evidence to suggest otherwise yet.)

it used to be that you gave your quarterback 3-4 years to develop

Beck isn't a very "young" rookie. If he takes 3 -- 4 years to develop, he'll be near 30, which is the age Tom Brady is at now. Maybe age and the need for developmental time should have factored into Cameron's draft decision as to which quarterback to select.

it used to be that you gave your quarterback 3-4 years to develop

i think teams still will if the qb shows them something. look at tim couch, they gave him ample time because he showed just enough to make them believe there was something there. on the other hand there's ryan leaf who could not make a correct decision even if he only had one option.

I'm just here to confirm that Buffalo has a popgun offense and that I seriously could not believe Edwards threw 4 TDs. I think he had only thrown 1 all season. sorry guys.

Buffalo always punches above their weight when they wear the throwbacks, but two hundred-yard rushers and 1 passing TD per 40 passing yards... yikes.

Buffalo always punches above their weight when they wear the throwbacks

I KNOW WHY DON'T THEY DO THIS EVERY WEEK!!!

(lol i make the dolphins thread about the bills)

those buffalo throwbacks are THE BEST! why don't they always wear them...sweet unis

lol and i luv u for it horses

Beck isn't a very "young" rookie. If he takes 3 -- 4 years to develop, he'll be near 30, which is the age Tom Brady is at now. Maybe age and the need for developmental time should have factored into Cameron's draft decision as to which quarterback to select.

yea but quarterbacks can play into their late 30s, look at Favre, Marino, Elway, Green, Testaverde....they don't have the same longevity issues other positions have (ie, running back)

i think teams still will if the qb shows them something. look at tim couch, they gave him ample time because he showed just enough to make them believe there was something there. on the other hand there's ryan leaf who could not make a correct decision even if he only had one option.

I don't know that I fully agree, I tend to think teams make up their minds too quickly nowadays on QBs. They had written off Drew Brees before he had his first pro bowl season after all, and I had never thought he was that bad.

I mean they don't really have a choice, because it's a different game nowadays....but I still wonder.

And yet the one guy who I think the book WAS pretty much written on, Michael Vick, continued to get passes from announcers. People would say things like "he's still learning the game" in his sixth season. By then, I gotta wonder.

course now he's gonna be someone's bitch in prison!

Speaking of, I'd love to see an old timers NFL game like they do in MLB. Seeing Lawrence Taylor put a hit on Joe Montana would be AWESOME! xp

that is weird that they don't do shit like that. I guess maybe because so many ex-football players suffer from dementia and extremely bad limbs. maybe if they did flag football?

Terry Bradshaw could play without a helmet then.

I love that he doesn't even try to shy himself away from those stereotypes anymore but plays into them on his commercials

An NFL oldtimers game would look like a cerebral palsy telethon.

oh man that was so wrong but that made me fucking laugh

WIN!!

WE'RE NOT HISTORICALLY BAD!

m really serious about the dolphins beating the ravens. remember i'm saying this. the ravens are really, really awful. this year, they've beat the jets by 7, the cards by 3, san fran by 2 and st. louis before they were healthy by 19. we really could win the game (it's at home btw).

-- J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 November 2007 04:54 (2 weeks ago) Link

welp

this pretty much ruins next week's game

cleo looked good, hagan looked good, ginn made some plays...

the one win of the year and I'm on a cruise boat and miss the entire game!

not that I'm complainign, I had a great time, but it figures!

Dolphins Hire Parcells! Dolphins Hire Parcells!

He'll be running the team's football operations (not GM or Coach, tho).

He'll be running the team's football operations (not GM or Coach, tho yet).

fixed

Yeah, then he'll leave in two years and string the Falcons or the Bucs along for the third time.

Can't worry about that now. Look, Parcells may turn out to be an unmotivated or befuddled bust, but I doubt it. He isn't just another NFL retread. He's been a success wherever he goes, and he left the Cowboys' organization (which was in disarray when he arrived) in very good shape when he stepped down last offseason.

It's better than what you have, that's true. he's an NFL guy, unlike Saban and Cameron who are at heart college guys and can't handle the pros. Query whether he keeps Cam, smart money says he makes him walk the plank.

Well, he couldn't do WORSE.

He's been a success wherever he goes,

not as much of a success in the front office as he was on the sidelines but still a definite upgrade over what's there now. fact remains that the guy's a snake who always looks out for #1. ask the pats, bucs, falcons, etc.

this is FANTASTIC news for the testaverde family as, if history is any indicator, vinny will be quarterbacking the fins next year.

if history is any indicator, vinny will be quarterbacking the fins next year.

Well, he couldn't do WORSE.

^^^ True.

Is Parcells a snake? I mean, he obviously jumps teams often, and he has no regard for one franchise's feelings when he moves to another (e.g., Pats/Jets, Giants/Dallas (who hate each other)). But I'm not sure any of that should bring him so low in people's minds.

Mind you, I'm not looking to defend him (nor does he need it). I'm just asking/wondering aloud. Saban -- by contrast -- is a snake, by the way he handled his exit from the Dolphins. The Falcons coach, too.

But I'm not sure any of that should bring him so low in people's minds.

negotiating with the jets before the pats season was over was a dogshit move. i mean, they were only playing in the fucking superbowl for christ's sake. flying home on a separate flight from the team was a dogshit move. circumventing the clause in his contract with the pats prohibiting him from coaching was kind of a shitty thing. playing teams off each other to drive up his price is exactly the kind of me first bullshit i expect from him.

In Saban's defense, he left a lackluster team after the season was over. As a Tide fan, I'm happy to have him. Don't think, though, that I'm not expecting him to jet for a more prestigious offer in a season or two should one arrive on his desk.

You're happy to have him as a Tide fan? His agent has contacted WV about that job. Even if he doesn't take it, how long do you think it will be until he fucks Alabama just like he's fucked every other team??

Looks like chicago kev won't be invited to the Parcells holiday feast. I agree with you ck, he's a piece of shit, the mentor of chumps like Saban and Petrino.

Ha! That WV thing was a prank started by a blogger that got spread around.

If true, I fell for it. I give Saban two more years at Alabama.

Bleh, I hate Saban. The way he handled his exit from the Dolphins was so crass. Hectoring reporters about questioning his intentions while simultaneously (and quietly) flirting with Alabama, and telling reporters afterwards that he would have stayed if Wayne Hizinga asked him to, when -- in reality -- he told Hizinga, "Look, I want to go. I don't want to stay. But if you insist on it, I'll honor my contract and stay." Stay classy, Nick Saban.

I'd forgotten about that Parcells tidbit, Kevin. You're right. It doesn't reflect well on him. Well, I'm happy about his arrival; for now.

I don't understand why coaches have some holy responsibility to be loyal to their bosses like this is fucking old skool Japan or some such shit

If somebody offered me a 75% raise and full relocation expenses to do the same work I'm doing now you'd bet I'd bolt, you would too, and really, that's how the world goes around

I don't understand why coaches have some holy responsibility to be loyal to their bosses like this is fucking old skool Japan or some such shit

They don't, Tom. I don't begrudge Saban for leaving. It way the way he left that was tasteless and undignified. He didn't have to admit he was considering leaving -- nor should he have -- but he also didn't have to treat reporters, who were clearly onto something, like schoolchildren, and he didn't have to repeatedly lie about his situation, even after he was gone and his lies were clearly exposed.

i didn't really have a problem with they way he left. if he said "i'm taking the job" he would have been skewered a la petrino for doing it in the middle of the season. if he said "well i'm considering it" he would have been constantly pestered with questions abt whether or not he is distracted. i think he handled it about as well as a type of thing like that could be handled tbh. ppl here trash talk saban out of bitterness (understandable i guess) and bcuz they find it appropriate to deal with the shittiness of our team by mocking saban. it's very playgroundy and really tiresome, which is one of about 652 reasons why i can't stomach to listen to sports radio in this town.

Mind you, I'm not looking to defend him (nor does he need it). I'm just asking/wondering aloud. Saban -- by contrast -- is a snake, by the way he handled his exit from the Dolphins. The Falcons coach, too.

RONG.

saban's only real misstep with the bama stuff was how he addressed it w/the media. he was 100% up front and honest with Heizininngigna about the fact that he was looking for a way out. it appears that Parcells had an agreement in principle w/the Falcons, who were negotiating in good faith. backing out of it wz kind of a bitch move.

i'm not mad tho, cuz now the FLACONGS are lookin at MARRRRRTY who is the dude i wanted all along~

saban's only real misstep with the bama stuff was how he addressed it w/the media. he was 100% up front and honest with Heizininngigna about the fact that he was looking for a way out.

I'm not sure where you read this. It's my understanding that, until close to the end, Saban was assuring Huizinga that he was staying, then when he suddenly announced that he'd been offered the Tide job and wanted it, he gave Huizinga a Hobson's choice: "I want to go, but since I'm under contract, I'll have to stay if you want me to." Then, since Huizinga did the only thing he really could do, Saban turned around and told the media: "I asked permission to go and the Dolphins said okay." That, of course -- along with so many other things Saban said -- wasn't true.

Certainly Saban's conduct is no better than Parcell's with the Falcons (Parcells didn't actually have that job yet).

Or, to be more clear: That, of course -- along with so many other things Saban said -- wasn't really true, and Saban certainly wasn't being candid or forthcoming.

i can't stomach to listen to sports radio in this town.

Agreed. Hank Goldberg is worth listening to -- not his callers, but him (n.1) -- but I think he's leaving his local station (WQAM).

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(n.1) I liked Goldberg because he's knowledgeable and he seems to work instead of just spout offhanded armchair analysis. Most of the sports-talk show hosts here are just blowhards who appeal to the lowest common denomenator.

he got fired.

I thought I read in the Miami Herald that the station asked Goldberg to take a substantial pay cut and, not surprisingly, he refused and left the station. What you said implies something different to me.

Why was Goldberg fired? Was it some on-air incident?

Here's the Herald Story

Will Parcells Keep Cameron?

There is an indecisiveness about Cameron that is, at times, maddening.

There is a meekness that comes across, even through the television screen, and can't possibly inspire his players to follow him -- especially not after this disastrous season.

There is just something there that makes you say, ``Good offensive coordinator, not head coach material.''

That's exactly how I've felt about Cameron all season.

parcells is on espn right now debating the 72 fins v. 07 pats but i'm going to refuse to listen.

Cameron has put his team in holes at many times. The whole time management thing is just something he doesn't get.

I missed most of the Patriots game. I was in the middle of a caroling gig and saw the first 1.5 quarters in Chilis...then had to depart.

will be at next week's game.

Being as big biz as he is, I'm sure the owner of the Falcons has f'xd over people a heck of a lot worse than Parcells did to him last week.

Say what you will, Parcells has never left a club in worse shape than when he came on board.

I'd say Cameron has a 50/50 shot, depending how the interviews with him go and how much he can shape the coaching staff. Parcells is old Army coaching buddies with Bobby Knight, who coached Cameron as a b-ball player at IU and was credited with helping Cam get the Hoosier head football coach position. Cameron wasn't that successful at wins/losses at IU, but the offense led by Antwaan Randle El could put up some points.

Either way, you know Parcells will put one of his ex-defensive coaches in place as coordinator, which is probably one of the best things he can offer.

Say what you will, Parcells has never left a club in worse shape than when he came on board.

Not a high bar with Your Miami Dolphins, circa 2007.

i didnt really follow the dolphins so much this year so i cant speak on cameron really, but one thing i will say is that it's a loooot easier to nitpick when the onfield performance is so horrific. two guys i loved to rag on last year, jon gruden and jack del rio, are in the playoffs this year and are coaching some very good football teams. i still think gruden is garbage, but it's harder to argue with a straight face that he's the worst coach in football. bobby petrino is a guy who i could nitpick to death but without seeing what he would've done with the team given a couple years of growth, it's all just sorta... ehh. i dunno. i'm a little drunk. i just think all this peripheral stuff about a coach's, like, DEMEANOR only really comes up when their teams are tanking. cameron might have a lot of good qualities as a HC we dont know about. or mb he's str8 up garbage~

i agree w/ cankles re: demeanor and motivational abilities and that whole gray area of stuff as fans we can only speculate on best. has cam made (or at least overseen) some suspect playcalls at various points this year? yeah. but shit, cleo has w/o a doubt improved over the season (past 2 games even!!), ginn is gradually making plays, jason allen is a viable starter now and he's gotten a decent haul out of chatman/booker etc.

i think romeo crennel is a pretty good example of a dude who has undoubtedly turned around his franchise for the better after a stretch of 3-4 (idk his term exactly) of shitty seasons (i actually called him the worst coach in football in some thread b4 the season). derrick anderson, winslow, edwards have all improved over the years to the point where they are all playing at pro bowl levels. NOT TO MENTION crennel has a pretty dialed-down "demeanor" liek ppl accuse of cam.

i think at the end of 3 years if cleo/beck, ronnie, ginn, j allen/other young players + whoever our next picks are don't make obvious improvement on the field then let cam go, but i think 3 years is the period for a coach. i don't doubt for a sec that cam knows his shit.

and ppl down here like to rip on cam's personnel decisions i.e. saying ronnie might not be the starter @ the beginning of the year, not playing booker right away etc. and i find most of that to be complete bullshit in the sense that it took bledsoe to get hurt b4 we ever knew who brady was and that the same dude who picked ryan leaf also traded vick for LT/brees etc. etc. etc. etc.

profootballtalk.com has posted a rumor about Parcells stealing Crennel away from Cleveland. That's goofy even for those guys.

Ok, I'm awake now to get ready for the Fins game. I pray to God we're not wasting another trip!

I pray to God we're not wasting another trip!

You wasted another trip. Cam/Cam's on the clock.

Yep, we did waste another trip. But I didn't dislike it as much this time--now that we had our one win out of the way I was just happy to see some touchdowns.

The Bungle fans were talking a LOT of smack for a team that was 6-9 coming in. That would have been like me talking shit to Raiders fans last year.

The Bungle fans were talking a LOT of smack for a team that was 6-9 coming in.

i think when one team has five more wins than the other in a 16 game season you can safely talk all the smack you want.

No, I really don't think anybody that can't be bothered to win more games than it loses in a season should be talking smack to anybody, even if they are worse. It's basically saying "You suck! We suck too, but you just suck more!"

I sure as hell wasn't talking trash to anybody last year.

Especially at such an easy target as Miami. Dolphin fans are harsher on the team than any opponent could ever hope to be.

the coach that lost to you guys got fired

hilarious

disappointed dolphins didnt go winless - i wanted that symmetry

our coach might be fired too. I'm not usually for first year firings but Cam often looked like he needed smelling salts on the sideline.

I'm tired of us hiring people without NFL coaching experience or a track record. Yes, some of them do go on to be successful, but I think at this stage we need someone we know the book on a little bit.

the coach that lost to you guys got fired

Yeah. But he was a genius about 5 seasons ago, yes? He was also pretty good last year, when the Ravens went 13-3. But I see why he was fired.

And, BJO, Cam/Cam in all likelihood will be fired this week. And he should be.

Cam's just going to keep making excuses not to meet up with Parcells. He'll sell his television, cell phone, and cancel his newspaper subscription.

He'll even show up during the draft and wonder why somebody else is there with a lapel that says "Coach".

No. He'll face Parcells, and soon. If what I've seen of him is an indication, he'll mostly blame injuries, an overestimated talent pool on the Dolphins, and admit some bland level of accountability for his game managment mistakes.

None of it will be enough. He'll be fired.

The injury card pisses me off because Miami wasn't playing well BEFORE the onslaught of injuries began.

Granted, the injuries in the secondary began right as the season opened, but Miami's offense was pretty healthy until Trent went down, then it became a snowball effect.

And Miami wasn't stopping the run WITH Zach in the lineup.

idk dudes i'd rather givie cam 2 more years tbh than bring in another unproven coach and hope his 3 year plan works esp. if that dude is the offensive line coach of the cowboys

here's your future
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i mean when does this cycle of coaches being here for 1-2 years going to stop. if one miraculously goes 6-10 in his first year??? bcuz when parcells inevitably leaves in 3 years after we go 8-8 where does that leave us and our sopranos-extra of a coach??

A: where we are right now

I don't want to bring in another unproven coach either but I don't see how Cam is any better.

He looked overwhelmed out there on the sidelines and he telegraphed his playcalls frequently. Some will say out of necessity, I will say that's being a chickenshit coach.

and fyi I'm usually not a proponent of firing a coach in his first year but I didn't see much of an improvement throughout the year and the team seemed to be playing well below its talent level at the beginning of the year.

aka, revisionists have demonized Saban, but that 2005 was a team that played above its talent level, and even at 3-7 I supported him before the improbable 6 game winning streak.

Not downplaying what Saban did was wrong but it's amazing that he was suddenly the worst coach of all time after he left.

what is going to be soprano's excuse when we go 3-13 next year??? shit just happens in the nfl where sometimes the quality of the coach doesn't matter all that much. cam was probably the most sought after OC when he was in san diego and we're going to kick him out after a year? idk

all i'm saying is:
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BASICALLY WHAT ALL MY CONVOLUTED POSTS WANT TO SAY IS:
someone has to be here for 2-3 minimum to turn this thing around. why not let it be cam?? who has better credentials that's out there right now?? a great sought-after coordinator? that's what cam was!!! are they going to fire him bcuz they don't like his 'demeanor'?? plenty of stoic coaches are successful.

what is going to be soprano's excuse when we go 3-13 next year???

He won't have an excuse. This is a bad team. Parcells knows it. The Dolphins management -- finally -- knows and accepts it. These diminished (and realistic) expectations lay the groundwork for a bad 2008/2009 campaign without the coach needing to be fired afterward.

But Cam/Cam needs to go. First, he either misapprehended or wasn't forthcoming about the Dolphins talent level (he likely did this so he could tell the Dolphins' owner that Miami was close to being a playoff team (something Wayne wanted to hear from the last several coaches)). Second, he bet wrong on Trent Green. Now, mistakes of that sort can be made, but Green ultimately got hurt with exactly the type of injury that made him a question mark in the offseason. Third, he mismanaged the clock and personnel (e.g., keeping Lorenzo Booker on the sidelines for most of the season). Fourth, he doesn't have the respect of his players (from what I read in the Herald) and doesn't inspire confidence (from what I've seen at his post-game conferences).

I understand the desire for coaching and philosophical stabiliy, I really do. But the value you get from such stabilty has to be weighed against the damage done by having the wrong coach. Cam/Cam has to go.

Denny Green is out there. Just sayin'.

No thx.

I wonder if Parcells would work with Marty.

RIP

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A lot of teams need OC's... Cam Cameron to the 49ers? To Detroit?

WHOOOO-HOOOOOOO!

please pay your respects

Thanks Cam for the one victory you could barely muster

*cue 1,343434334 dolphin fans whining about injuries...*

i obviously have not really kept up with dude's career but i know tony sparano a little bit from his unh days and he was always pretty respected and liked in ct for running a really good program. clearly, that doesnt mean jack about if he'd be a good HC in mia or atl.

first time I read that I thoughtit said Tony Soprano

I'm torn. On the one hand, I agree that Miami needs help everywhere, which cuts in favor of having more picks (not just the overall No. 1). On the other hand, I'm not sure I trust the team's management to make good decisions in the draft, which cuts in favor of selecting the overall No. 1, who may be more of a sure thing (or, put differently, making the draft mistake-proof, even for possibly inept management).

Out of curiosity, has your opinion changed any now that we have Ireland/Parcells? (Not saying it has to, but just curious...)

mel kiper: on crack?

• The Miami Dolphins need help on defense and Bill Parcells is a defensive-minded coach, so DT Glenn Dorsey would be the logical pick. And while the Dolphins could listen to trade offers for the top pick, there has not been a lot of movement in the top 10 in recent drafts. Why did Adrian Peterson slip to No. 7 last year? Because teams weren't willing to trade up knowing they would have to part with draft picks and pay more money for the higher pick. Also for Miami, QB Matt Ryan has to be in the discussion because the Dolphins may not be sold on John Beck (a second-round pick last year). Miami needs quarterback help and Ryan is going to be a top-five pick. Ryan might be too good to pass up, and he's a better prospect than Beck was when he came out of BYU last year. (Ryan is the only QB I am projecting will go in the first round).

I dunno, I don't think anything he said is without merit.

He's oft been critical of Miami's draft picks in the past too....

although I would prefer we trade the top pick, yes.

Quarterbacks often go too high in the draft and this seems like a down year for the position. The best bet would be to trade the picks if you can.

Yea, I mean, I'm not sure we really got a good idea of Beck last year. A rookie QB with no reliable Tight End to throw to, an inexperienced #1 wide receiver, aging #2 receiver, non-existent #3, depleted running back depth, and an offensive line that is extremely weak on the left side, on a horrible team? C'monnnnnnnn!

Although I think we've finally got something going at center with Satele. If Miami can finally build a solid offensive line through the draft over time...the bad QB curse will end.

i was assuming that whomever put the idea of the 'phins taking ryan with the #1 pick did so as a smoke screen to try to entice atlanta into trading for the top pick.

I REALLLLLY don't see Miami taking a QB at #1. Parcells built Romo out of an undrafted QB. Unless he sees a real dud in Beck, I think he knows what other holes to fill on the team.

You have to trade the pick, but I can see Parcells taking Dorsey. he loves guys like that

you have to TRY to trade the pick but no one wants the #1 pick anymore.

Dallas will take it, I bet. Jones wants McFadden, and he's dumb enough to do it.

jerry jones, yeah, i was trying to think the other day who might be stupid enough to trade for the first pick besides al davis. jones probably would. i think snyder has been burned enough times that when his football people tell him not to touch the stove he defers to them.

Plus, Snyder doesn't really covet draft picks, he likes to build through ludicrously overpriced free agent signings.

dude woulda signed Bubby Brister to a 5 year, 70 million dollar contract....

i look forward to seeing zach thomas playing linebacker for the pats next year.

and dan morgan!

the konkussion klub

i think the pats have the only linebacking corps(e) where zach thomas could be thought of as the young guy.

Pats made an offer!

Are they going to offer Jack Ham and Carl Banks contracts too?

did jack ham or carl banks have career highs in tackles last year? are either of them younger than the pats two current starting inside linebackers?

did jack ham or carl banks have career highs in tackles last year?

i know zach thomas didnt, cuz nigga spent half the year concussed as all get out~

Get over your dreaming, Zach's a Cowboy!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AlSq9f3J7EhfAahmfKZ8loRDubYF?slug=ap-cowboys-thomas&prov=ap&type=lgns

For once a Dolphin fan favorite doesn't go to the Patriots, AND goes to the other conference. I'm happy for him though, although I wish his Dolphins career didn't have to end on such a down note. At least he might have one more chance at winning something.

I was kind of looking forward to seeing the Pats sign him. Then they would have had a great linebacking corps-for 1995. Seriously, Bruschi,Vrabel, Seau and the Thomas brothers? Their games would have had to been shown on ESPN Classic.

Better, but still bleh.

Once the running game settles in, we may be able to win a few that we shouldn't have, but God is it disappointing to give up two gimme TDs to Favre without really making him work for them.

haha this thread has 295 posts

blah blah they are on the right track yada yada wake me up when ted ginn breaks out

id like to point out that i've been otm in this thread

and not just when i said this

i'm really serious about the dolphins beating the ravens. remember i'm saying this. the ravens are really, really awful. this year, they've beat the jets by 7, the cards by 3, san fran by 2 and st. louis before they were healthy by 19. we really could win the game (it's at home btw).

― J0rdan S., Monday, November 26, 2007 10:54 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark

you can't stop Greg Camarillo. you can only hope to contain him

Jay Fiedler drives a Geo Metro

I might have to start hating the Dolphins, now that their staduim is named after a Jimmy Buffett-product.

. . . They'll probably play Cheeseburger in Paradise over the speakers before home games.

Ugh.

Sums up my feelings perfectly. Oh, the new Dolphins song:

"'Fins' For The Fish"

We drove down on Interstate 95
And up on U.S. 1
It's game day in Miami town
Where the Dolphins are No. 1
We play down by the ocean
In the warm South Florida sun
The tailgate's down so gather round
For some pre-game LandShark fun

Chorus
Can't you feel us circlin' Dolphfans
Can't you feel us schoolin' around?
We got fins to the left, fins to the right,
We're at the only game in town
Oh Oh Oh Oh
We got fins to the left, fins to the right,
It's the only game in town.

From Lauderdale and Boca
Palm Beaches and the Florida Keys
It's a game day mass migration
High fives fill the breeze
Kick off time's approaching
We gotta shut off our cell phones
And get our arms up in the air
We are entering the "FinZone"

Chorus

ommfg.

Whew! Only temporary:

As of today the Dolphins no longer play at Dolphin Stadium. Now they (and the Marlins, and UM) play at LandShark Stadium, named after a beer that hardly is the pride of the Anheuser-Busch stable. Don't get used to LandShark, though. The name-change is for the remainder of 2009 only and it'll be back to Dolphin Stadium for the next Super Bowl, unless they pimp the name to a new corporate sponsor by then. How bizarre is that!? A temporary name change. It's part of a major tie-in with Jimmy Buffett and his Margaritaville conglomerate

Miami's post-Marino QB curse.

Quarterbacks we've passed up in drafts this decade: Aaron Rogers; Matt Ryan; Drew Brees; Tom Brady.

Don't take the Brady thing so hard. 30 other teams passed him over too.

Same thing with Brees. And you know what? If they'd been drafted into the Dolphins organization they wouldn't have grown up to be Tom Brady and Drew Brees.

^^this

and really, you can blame the brees thing on saban & that management for deciding to sign culpepper instead. rogers is good but the packers wrs are far, far more talented than whatever the dolphins have now. matt ryan is great of course but jake long was a great pick.

remember daniel that when the dolphins drafted ted ginn, there was an insane outcry from people down there about how they passed up on brady quinn. so you know, if they would've went with 'conventional wisdom' they would've been just as screwed as they are now (probably even more so considering that ginn, regardless of how he is perceived in miami, is the team's #1 receiver and a generally good player overall imo [doesn't help that he's a speedy deep threat on a team whose quarterback was incapable of throwing a ball over like 40 yds])

you can blame the brees thing on saban

Indeed I do.

doesn't help that he's a speedy deep threat on a team whose quarterback was incapable of throwing a ball over like 40 yds

And things just got much better in that regard, amirite?

yeah i think so

You're hopeful for Henne?

yes i think so. i mean, the guy was never next level at michigan but this current staff really likes him & i think they are to be trusted (altho to be fair their track record on player personnel - pennington aside, altho that was luck probably - is kind of up in the air still). he's been off the field enough to step right in and give the phins a chance to win every week i think. plus he's got all the physical stuff right.

I only saw him a couple of times in college but henne just seemed, I dunno, slow. slow release slow feet etc.

I agree w/ the slow thing, but I still weirdly liked him in college. I'm w/ j0rdan - I'd wait to make any judgment and let him play a few games...

The feeling here, when Henne was drafted, is that he was a complete steal. I don't know where he was projected to be drafted, but maybe he fell to us at that draft pick?

Anyway, the jury's out. But I think, at this stage, it's fair to suggest a "Marino Curse" on the Dolphins quarterback position this decade. The lesson: Fans should not be mean to Dan Marino.

again and again, history suggests that basically nobody can predict which of these guys is gonna be the steal and which one is gonna be the bust.

too much monday morning quarterbackdrafting - nobodyyyy knows, just let em play and see what hpapens.

srsly most teams don't get one Dan Marino, let alone wait around for the second coming. afaic it might as well be the Fiedler Curse.

i.e. the curse is having had a Dan Marino and thinking you can dial up another one.

yeah otm - fiedler was a pretty decent qb tbh. a few teams in the nfl would killl for a competent qb like him who could, uh, "guide" his team to the playoffs a few times.

also a jew

Okay, okay. Fiedler was a decent-to-good quarterback. And a Jew. He made my people proud.

But we've spent a loooooooong time wandering in the desert since then.

Fiedler is one of those guys like Garcia and Warner who didn't even really get a chance to play until he was close to 30.

You have to think this might be the end for Pennington. The guy has had a bad shoulder for a long time. He hung around alot longer in the NFL than some thought.

Dan Marino was so good he completely changed how Shula coached. That dude was a total run the ball down their throat and play solid D guy and they turned into like a super high scoring passing attack. Marino lost quite a few games where he would throw for 5 TDs. It was crazy. The Dolphins had near absolute zero running game the whole time he was QB.

I'm kinda of a MAC stan and was always rooting for Pennington- its' too bad he was always getting banged up

Yeah the Marino era Dolphis were something else but it was bizarre how Shula could never get a consistent ground game going. In the 70's with Griese the 'phins would throw the ball like 12 times a game.

http://img2.ifilmpro.com/resize/image/stills/films/resize/istd/2805716.jpg

just checked the box score for the 72 super bowl and griese was 8 for 11. and Earl Morral started 9 games that year at QB for the Dolphins which I can never get my head around

wait hang on

http://dork457.ggot.org/DanMarino.gif

it was bizarre how Shula could never get a consistent ground game going

maybe b/c when you a once-in-a-lifetime QB/squeaky wheel like marino falls in your lap you end up developing an O-line that can maintain a perfect horseshoe pocket for weeks but can't run-block for shit?

oh no doubt, but it was strange to see a run first type of coach go completely aerial in his philosophy as he got older. He was going with his main strength obv.

Like Levy running the single wing with the Chiefs and then going to a no huddle with the Bills. I dunno, Noll and Landry really never changed all that much.

Tom Landry was pretty much a genius on both sides of the ball. The guy developed the modern 4-3 defense with the Giants and his offense with the Cowboys pretty much put together the modern style offense especially in the passing game by using the shotgun, shifting the setup and putting people in motion.

Marino was a witch. If Miami got the ball back with any time down a score, you pretty much knew your team was screwed, especially if you were a Jets fan. That ropeadope he pulled against the Jets faking the timeout was really cool. I saw him bring the Dolphins back 2 TDs in like 5 minutes against the Colts in person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHq1P7gccY

Yes, I agree about Landry, but earl can you see Landry going to an entirely pass offense or getting rid of his flex defense? Shula coached Super Bowl teams in the 60's the 70's and changed dramatically when Dan M. started.

Maybe it was the talent available to him at the time.

I think Shula is greatest football coach of all time imo btw

"the" greatest

god

I'm into my 2nd bottle of wine so, um, I'm hedging my bets etc.

I'm into my 2nd bottle of wine so, um, I'm hedging my bets etc.

in vino at least arguable veritas and shit

http://anzam.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/captureda.jpg

Cobbs out for the remainder of the season ;_;

I didn't realize Chad Henne compared favorably to other good young NFL quarterbacks at this stage of his career. Not amazing numbers, by any stretch, but pretty good.

brandon marshall predicts his best year yet!

hm. miami will be lucky to be 8 -- 8. i think it's more likely we'll be 6 -- 10, and we could start off 1 -- 8.(n.1)

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(n.1) first 9 games: buffalo (probably a win), then vikings, jets, patriots, packers, steelers, bengals, ravens, titans (all of which could be losses).

Don't mope. Assuming Ricky and Ronnie didn't get run into an early grave last season, and that Chad Henne keeps improving, there'll be plenty of opportunity for Marshall to catch bombs in the endzone. That's a tough schedule to open the year, but my position as a rubbernecking Dolphins observer has come very close at this point to being an honest fan....so I'm, uh, optimistic?

oh, i'm not moping! i'm still recovering psychologically from the 1 -- 15 season. to me, 8 -- 8 is fantastic.

but i'm not excited about henne as a quarterback. something so . . . bland about him, and this team, to me.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/26/new-dolphins-logo-is-leaked/

THE DOLPHIN ISN'T WEARING A HELMET ANYMORE! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

If anything, they should've made it perfect like this:

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/dolpgif16.gif

this is absolutely terrible

yeah horrible news

okay destroy this team now

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/ku-medium.jpg

FAIL

wtf it looks like a passenger plane now fffffuuuuuuuuuu

GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT

GIVE THE DOLPHIN A HELMET

YES ^^THIS!

there is so much in football that is NOT awesome

a dolphin in a helmet is awesome. ;_;

Pretty much the fall of the Dolphins comes at the same time the Patriots rose to prominence.

You kind of remember them not being that great with Jimmy Johnson and Dave Wannstedt, but really they were average or a playoff team most of the years through them (at least until Wannstedt's last year).

my memory of the Dolphins in the 90s is mostly Brian Cox spitting at the crowd

and now he's a successful assistant coach lol

RIP dolphin wearing another team's helmet.

cannot believe Miami's insensitivity to dolphin head injury risk

rip best recursive logo

ugh new logo ugh

Jeff Darlington ‏@JeffDarlington -- —> RT @MiamiDolphins: NEWS: The Miami Dolphins and General Manager Jeff Ireland have mutually agreed to part ways

breaking news.

awww i thought this thread was going to be about actual dolphins. Drat.

actual dolphins form a more dynamic football team than the miami dolphins, so . . .

good call fins

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ otmfm

I heard his mom is a whore

Per Salguero, Ross wanted to hire someone who would have operated at a level above Ireland, holding most if not all of the authority Ireland currently possesses. Though Salguero names no names, many will speculate that Ross wanted to install former Chiefs G.M. Carl Peterson in that role.

Why not just fire the guy, dummy

here's my thought. weeks ago, ross assured ireland he was safe. ross values loyalty and keeping a promise. so here, at this crossroads, he says "i'll honor my promise to keep ireland," but then imposes conditions that prompt ireland to leave. actually savvy, if intentional.

but ugh to peterson as "football czar," by the way.

once again, the dolphins are the nfl's least-interesting on-the-field product, and the nfl's most-interesting off-the-field product.

January 08, 2014

Armando Salguero

More history, fallout from Ireland vs. DawnJoe

If you've been following my recounting of the dysfunction within the Dolphins late last season you understand why the relationship between general manager Jeff Ireland and coach Joe Philbin was broken. You understand why this team may struggle to hire the most gifted and serious general manager candidate available.

Now let me give you more history. Let me give you more background on the dysfunction to help you understand its genesis.

I already shared what caused the rift between Ireland and Philbin. I blame both parties for that rift. Grown men, professional men, who have the same goal at heart should be able to sit down and have frank discussions about what troubles them about their relationship. Obviously that's in a perfect world.

The Dolphins facility is far from that world.

And part of the problem points directly to executive vice president of football administration Dawn Aponte. It seems that when Bill Parcells hired Aponte to be Miami's capologist in Feb. 2010 he brought in a tough and experienced corporate in-fighter. She is clearly adept at forming alliances. And when she sees a threat, she is well capable of attacking it.

Ireland was a threat to her, according to sources who called me this morning.

Ireland was her boss when she joined the team four years ago. But after Parcells left in October 2010, she lost her chief sponsor. And she wasn't comfortable with Ireland as her supervisor. So soon after Joe Philbin was hired, Aponte decided she and the new coach could bond and that alliance could strengthen each person's position within the organization.

Aponte, club sources say, also found ways to ingratiate herself to owner Stephen Ross. Nothing wrong with that. He's the boss. She would often ask to join Ross on his private jet flights back to New York from home games, often citing a need to handle club business at the league office in New York.

Aponte, a former league and New York Jets employee, apparently used the face time with Ross and the help of Jay Cross, a Related Company president and a former New York Jets president, to convince the owner of her value and how she should not be under Ireland's supervision.

Ireland, seeing this, asked Ross to fire Aponte. Ross didn't go for it and, indeed, after mulling the matter, actually promoted Aponte from Senior VP of Football Operations to her current Executive VP role. And in so doing, Ross doubled Aponte's salary. And got her out from under Ireland's umbrella. And Aponte joined parts of the coach search of 2012 that led to Philbin's hiring after Jeff Fisher turned the Dolphins down cold.

Knowing that Ireland had tried to get her fired, Aponte turned her sights on the GM. The relationship between the two, professional and even cordial in public at league meetings and alike, was a struggle for power behind the scenes.

Aponte, strengthened by her alliance with Philbin, had been winning that struggle for quite some time. She made herself very visible, attending practically every practice. She met with Philbin to advise on how to handle the media before every weekday press conference -- that meeting sometimes taking longer than the actual press conference. She attended the coach's show and made sure the questions were positive and gave Philbin an opportunity to shine. She edited the videos the team posted on its website of the Philbin postgame speech to the players.

(Unfortunately for Philbin, she didn't think to cut out the part where coach needed to read off index cards to deliver his address).

The bottom line is now Philbin and Aponte -- fresh off a victory over the last general manager -- want to make sure the next general manager is not truly empowered. The last thing they want is for Ross to hire a guy who will have the power to hire and perhaps fire Philbin and or Aponte.

They want a puppet person that will merely evaluate talent and handle the draft and keep his mouth shut and business to himself.

But as I've shared already the best candidates for a general manager job may not bite because 1. They don't want to get involved in the Dolphins office politics and/or 2. They want to have the power and autonomy to bring their own people and perhaps get rid of the current people if that's what they think is best.

So keep a close eye on what is about to happen next with this hire. If Ross hires a strong GM with authority to hire and fire Philbin and/or Aponte, then the duo has lost favor. But if Ross promotes Aponte to GM or hires someone who is merely a personnel guy but not the general manager in power as well as title then the DawnJoe has won and runs the show.

There is a third option and that's the czar approach the Dolphins have used before, as well, with that person over everyone. But that's for another day.

Stay tuned.

Armando Salguero

Would Gamble, others join snakepit hijinks?

The leading contender for the Dolphins vacant general manager position?

Tom Gamble, the vice president of player personnel for the Philadelphia Eagles.

And if the Dolphins were a stable, well-led, functional franchise, I'd say they would have a great chance to get him. Gamble is eager to be contacted and would be happy to listen to the Dolphins, according to a source.

But ...

As I write in my column in today's Miami Herald the Dolphins are not exactly a model franchise. The Dolphins had issues internally part of the 2013 season, with sniping and backstabbing going on at the highest levels of the football operations.

Jeff Ireland vs. Joe Philbin.

Dawn Aponte vs. Jeff Ireland.

Aponte and Philbin forming a bond and alliance that ultimately helped bring down Miami's general manager. And whatever you think of that -- be you glad Ireland is finally gone or sad because you don't believe professionals should engage in such snakepit hijinks -- the drama matters.

Because word of the drama is already making the NFL rounds. People in franchises like the Washington http://images.chron.com/blogs/askacat/hatcat.JPG, places with issues of their own, are aware of the issues the Dolphins had this year. I know this for a fact.

And the problem with that is simple: If Stephen Ross wants to hire the best and brightest individual as his next general manager, will he be able to gloss over his team's reputation to get that guy? Will he be able to provide assurances that the next GM won't be fighting an alliance of the coach and executive VP for football administration like the last GM had to?

Another thing:

The Philbin-Aponte axis is almost certainly going to work toward getting a weak GM to the Dolphins. The last thing Philbin wants is for Ross to give the next GM the power to fire him after the 2014 season is over. So Philbin wants his pal Aponte over that GM. He wants that hire to be just a talent evaluator with the title of GM but not the full weight of power that title suggests.

And again ... if Ross agrees that is the way to go, what great GM is he going to land?

It's the Dolphins doing Dolphins things.

so awesomely dysfunctional

that cat thing wasn't in the original article, by the way. but i like it.

that cat thing wasn't in the original article

Would it be possible to create an internet-wide autoreplace?

on it

lol humiliation: browns say farmer not interviewing second time

January 23, 2014
Humiliation: Browns say Farmer not interviewing second time

So let me get this straight ... The assistant general manager for the Cleveland Browns is informed he is a finalist for the general manager job with the Miami Dolphins and after getting through an initial interview that reportedly went well, he declines to take the second interview because he has doubts about the Dolphins' football structure?

Can this really be?

Is the Dolphins' reputation around the NFL this soiled that even people working for the Browns -- the Browns! -- don't want more money, more power, and a chance to run the Dolphins front office?

Somebody wake me, because this is a nightmare.

Let's retrace some footsteps because if this is, in fact, what's going on, we've already stepped in something foul.

Farmer interviewed for the Dolphins job January 11 and I reported the interview was very good. Obviously, it turns out, the interview did go well because a couple of days ago the Dolphins decided Farmer would be one of their finalists interviewing this weekend for a chance to become the successor to Jeff Ireland.

But a not-funny thing happened on the way to that prized finalist interview. Farmer began to have second thoughts. As I reported Thursday, Farmer started to waiver about whether or not he wanted to interview again with the Dolphins because he was feeling uncertain or uncomfortable with the Dolphins football structure.

Farmer talked to the Dolphins for at least five hours in that first interview. He came to that interview with the blessing of former boss Carl Peterson, who hired Farmer during his time with the Chiefs and is now the top advisor to Dolphins owner Stephen Ross on this GM search. And after answering a bunch of questions and presumably asking some of his own, Farmer was still not sure he either understood or liked the Miami structure?

That's not all. The concern was apparently so profound that even when the Fritz Pollard Alliance gave Farmer a strong recommendation to take the follow-up interview anway so he could get his clarification, Farmer declined anyway?

Well, that's apparently exactly what happened as on Thursday afternoon, Cleveland Browns CEO Joe Banner told a group of huddled reporters that Farmer was staying with the Browns rather than interview again with the Dolphins, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

Quentin Tarrantino at the height of drug-induced inspiration could not make this stuff up.

So I have questions that frankly make me wonder about both Farmer and the Dolphins.

1. To Farmer, if you were still uncertain or uncomfortable with the Dolphins structure at the end of that initial interview, why didn't you say so then? Did this discomfort or uncertainty suddenly dawn on you or did you find out new things about the Dolphins in the days following the interview?

2. To Farmer, you worked under Peterson for years. Obviously Peterson thinks very highly you. So if you were uncertain or uncomfortable about the Dolphins structure, couldn't you just call Peterson and ask for clarity? Why the big public unveiling of this issue that makes neither the Dolphins nor you look good?

3. To the Dolphins, is the phrase, "Do you have any questions for us? Are you completely comfortable with where we are right now?" foriegn? After all, that kind of covers everything. If Farmer felt any degree of discomfort near the end of his interview, that phrase would have definitely opened the door to the airing of that discomfort.

4. To the Dolphins, how could you not know Farmer had issues with your structure?

5. To the Dolphins, did you interview a candidate and then anoint him a finalist without any clue he doesn't think highly of what you are proposing as the job structure?

6. To the Dolphins, aren't you starting to get a clue that something is seriously wrong with, well, you? Look, when one candidate declines to interview, that's understandable. When two candidates decide your interview offer is not for them, that's kind of worrisome but not terribly. But four candidates declined to take even initial interviews with you and a fifth man, who was open minded enough to take the initial interview, decided that familiarity with you was a reason to stay away in the future.

It's not them, my dear Dolphins franchise, it's you!

It's not the media with an agenda. It's not tough luck. It's not the competition conspiring against you. It is you!

Now, for the sake of full disclosure, Dolphins sources insist it is not them. (On a couple of counts, such as the initial Jason Licht story about him being offered the job and this evening's suggestion by one national reporter that Lake Dawson didn't become a finalist until after Farmer got second thoughts, it is indeed the media).

The message I get from the Dolphins is that every candidate is made aware he will be reporting directly to owner Stephen Ross. Every candidate is aware not he will not be under either coach Joe Philbin or executive vice president of football administration Dawn Aponte. Every candidate is aware he also will definitely not be over Philbin and probably not Aponte as well. Both Aponte and Philbin will answer to Ross.

So where is the misunderstanding?

Are the Dolphins not relaying that message clearly? Is there a communication disconnect? Is the team, through sources, saying one thing to me and then another to candidates? I don't know for sure. I'm not in the interviews.

(Maybe the Dolphins should embed me this weekend for their own well being -- like the military embeds war correspondents. It protects them.).

All I know is this is not the first humiliation the Dolphins suffer lately. It's starting to get really, really old.

dolphins are so much more entertaining off-the-field than on-the-field.

lol

Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero -- Dolphins Scorecard: 4 candidates declined first interview, 1 finalist declined second interview. 1 man offered the job turned it down.

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Chris Kouffman ‏@ckparrot -- Can't close w/ Harbaugh, can't close w/ Peyton, can't close w/ Fisher, can't close w/ Caserio. Oh, and couldn't close the 2013 playoff run.

http://www.sportsgooru.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/tCn1e.png

Ethan J. Skolnick ‏@EthanJSkolnick -- I'm sure, if they begged, the Dolphins might get Dave Wannstedt to consider an interview

___________ ‏@Sports_N_Beers -- Used for leverage... Fisher...Caserio...Harbaugh. These are the Dolphins under Steve Ross. For those under 25: It didn't use to be like this

dolphins fans (what few are left, i imagine) are having a collective conniption on social-media tonight, because of the hysterically mishandled GM hiring search.

i know i'm likely the only ilx'or interested in the dolphins, but anyone interested in good comedy, or who is morbidly fascinated watching an organization disassemble from incompetence and bumbling, should read-up on miami's off-season.

a sampling today on twitter, reacting to the hiring of dennis hickey as GM, from those who cover the team:

Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero -- Dolphins Scorecard: 4 candidates declined first interview, 1 finalist declined second interview. 1 man offered the job turned it down. (NOTE: now it's confirmed that two, not one, finalists were offered the job and turned it down; nick caserio and lake dawson)

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Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero -- Dolphins say reason Nick Caserio didn't accept job is he wanted to fire Joe Philbin and Dolphins wouldn't allow.

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Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero -- Dolphins tell me Lake Dawson was willing to keep Philbin but wanted say over his status in future. Ross keeps that.

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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet -- When #Dolphins search began, Ross said GM would have “autonomous responsibility for 53-man.” Yet candidates believed Philbin would have it

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cover32 Dolphins ‏@cover32_MIA -- Last resort, second last resort...all semantics...fact is that (hickey) was option number 5 or 6 on the list.

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Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley -- I've been told that several Dolphins players have already privately expressed that they want out of this situation. Real consequences coming.

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Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley -- Another take: "Tampa is psyched. They were going to fire (new dolphins GM dennis hickey) anyway. Now they don't have to pay him."

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Chris Kouffman ‏@ckparrot -- Dolphins situation worse than I thought.

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mike freeman ‏@mikefreemanNFL -- Some of the things personnel men around the NFL are saying about the Dolphins is hilarious. Lots of jokes, disbelief.

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Chris Kouffman ‏@ckparrot -- Brian Gaine, who acted as de facto GM during Senior Bowl and was supposed to be the reason it was OK for Philbin & Co to skip it, is LEAVING.

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Rizz ‏@Rizzmigizz -- These Dolphins have done the impossible, made me wish they were playing again so the pain would go away. It's normally the opposite

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Be7VG4_CEAAnu93.jpg

to have a guy come in from the same division and want to fire the HC as a condition, probably you just want to can that HC anyway. amazing really.

interestingly, caserio tonight said he liked philbin, and didn't insist on firing him as a condition of caserio taking the job. it's the fins' representatives who said caserio made that demand. in that regard

Chris Kouffman ‏@ckparrot -- Dolphins say Caserio turned job down because he wanted to fire Philbin. Caserio directly denies he wanted to fire Philbin. I believe Caserio

oh boy

more on this:

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter -- Source close to Lake Dawson insists that, for GM job, he never requested final say on whether MIA HC Joe Philbin would be back after 2014.

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Chris Kouffman ‏@ckparrot -- If you ask me the Dolphins are lying their asses off about their cover story for why Caserio and Dawson rejected them.

I never even think about the Miami dolphins during the season, but this is great fun

three of the worst linemen in the league on one offensive line. you dream of luck like this.

last dropback, center and both guards got pushed around like IKEA furniture.

no matter how many draft picks we throw at the position, we get Dig Dug characters at the position

lol solved the offense problem now the defense breaks.

I kinda wonder once you do get one of those fancy passing attacks what happens is that teams have to throw the ball to keep up and the you find out your team cannot stop the pass.

This was pretty much the Colts under Manning all the time and really kinda the Dolphins when they had Marino too.

Yeah I didn't start watching the Fins til 1989 and though he has a really good defense in 1992, the fear was often "great, we got the lead! How long will our defense keep it?".

Then by the time he acquired Jimmy Johnson's defense, they were running the ball much more than with Shula (without talented RBs to do it) and Dan had lost a step and couldn't take advantage

Hilarous thing was the Dolphins were all about the defense and running game before Marino started blasting bombs left and right with very workman like QB play (ex. David Woodly took them to a superbowl with the Killer Bs. D).