the nathan peterman 2018 regular season nfl thread

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WEEK 1
THURSDAY, SEP 6, 2018
Atlanta at Philadelphia 8:20 PM

SUNDAY, SEP 9, 2018
Buffalo at Baltimore 1:00 PM
Cincinnati at Indianapolis 1:00 PM
Houston at New England 1:00 PM
Jacksonville at N.Y. Giants 1:00 PM
Pittsburgh at Cleveland 1:00 PM
San Francisco at Minnesota 1:00 PM
Tampa Bay at New Orleans 1:00 PM
Tennessee at Miami 1:00 PM
Kansas City at L.A. Chargers 4:05 PM
Dallas at Carolina 4:25 PM
Seattle at Denver 4:25 PM
Washington at Arizona 4:25 PM
Chicago at Green Bay 8:20 PM

MONDAY, SEP 10, 2018
N.Y. Jets at Detroit 7:10 PM
L.A. Rams at Oakland 10:20 PM

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/24444906/2018-mega-nfl-preview-projecting-1-32-teams-rankings-predictions-breakouts-fantasy-stars

@EdBouchette
Steelers teammates not happy with Le’Veon Bell no show, led by vet G Ramon Foster, their player rep:
“What do you do? here’s a guy who doesn’t give a damn, I guess so we’ll treatit as such. I just hate it came to this. “

@EdBouchette
More Ramon Foster on Bell: “He’s making 7 times what I make twice as much as Al (Villanueva) is making and we’re the guys who do it for him.”

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tbf Falcons are incredibly stacked

falx do look p hot coming into this season but still seems like ppl don't believe in the eagles despite their having won the superbowl somewhat recently

guessing its the Nick Foles factor

ugh i forgot they have to raise the stupid banner

was trying to pretend that game never happened tbh

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always and forever

Got to say, that was a really cool version of the anthem by Boys II Men.

feeling like ryan's really close to throwing a pick

wb thursday nites

foles with another reception!

it's going to be lots of bad football all around for at least three weeks isn't it

dude you cannot be taking sacks in these situations

feel like I'm growing out of the NFL, I just did not care about this game at all and outside of the return of the Philly special it sounds like it really sucked

last season was like this too wasn't it? may be a good time to just bet the under on every game

only watched through 3 quarters but yeah that was a bad game. september being preseason 2 does seem to really be a thing in the modern nfl. overall last season was on balance a very good one in terms of entertainment tho, imo anyway. and worth remembering the last game before this one had 74 points.

the officiating was really bad but the game itself had some exciting moments. it was a low scoring game which is a bummer but actually it was a pretty close score to the post-season game btwn them last year so not totally unexpected. and it ended with an almost identical drive and failure to connect with julio for the td to win as that game so there was some nice symmetry too. some of the eagles defensive stops were impressive - darby looked unstoppable. ajayi looks really good. passing game was anemic on philly's side and it looks like atlanta's entire offense is julio jones and they for some reason can march down the field at will but cannot score in the red zone. kinda a weird game. obv thrilled about the result.

atl were p garbage on offense, ryan poor and playcalling as bad as the worst parts of last season. feels like something potentially special there could be squandered if they don't get their shit together. but at the same time eagles D looked p nice again, best until in the game by a ways and not looking they're set with 1 ring. philly offense will be clever even when they're not particularly good.

4 inches of rain expected on Sunday in Clevo with the Steelers coming to town.

nice, that's real football.

i'm going to foxboro sunday for the texans :D

ryan missed a lot of makeable throws, especially in the red zone. they have too much talent on offense to look that discombobulated in opposing territory.

is there a definitive piece out there on how Bad Football has become immune to serious critique and has become a significant part of the nfl's remaining entertainment value? the number of chuckle-y, eyerolling pieces i've seen today that are like "lol no one knows what a catch is, the officiating is terrible, both of these teams sucked, yay football is back!" seems even higher than usual. does this have analogues in other sports? i'm struggling to think of any.

i can't recall seeing an article that made that argument. i'd speculate what you're observing is more a change in the way ppl talk about football (impact internet/social media etc) than there being more Bad Football per se, or it being given more of a pass.

i think it started on the internet but ime it's made several inroads to more mainstream media (e.g. sports talk radio) and started to filter down to the fanbase as a whole, and it's not going to be easy to put it back in the box. the visibility of something like a catch rule that is unenforceable even with replay isn't lost on anyone, and i feel like collectively there is just a lot of throwing up of hands about that problem. idk maybe there are purists out there for whom bad football actually detracts from their enjoyment. i would love to hear from them!

i don't think there's (much) more bad football these days although roster construction favoring young players plus lack of practice time is going to continue to gnaw.

i agree, i meant internet as a starting point, but it has definitely colored football talk across media now. it comes with the ever finer granularity of analysis imo - more of each game is being watched, and with more discernment. when 32 teams are all getting real exposure, you realize that most of them are part- or all the way garbage, and always have been. it's a weird game that's hard to play and complex, which increases the opportunities for players and officials to look bad. and the complexity demands specialization, which in turn means no one gets a break for being on the field and doing anything subpar, unlike maybe a shooting guard who can't play defense, or a pitcher who can't hit.

barnwell has a thing about disproving the recurring claims over the years that football is getting worse that i recall being generally convincing, with appropriate caveats for the rigor of his analysis.

catch rule situation is a str8 disgrace tho, no excuses there.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/07/seattle-seahawks-dismantling-rift-russell-wilson-pete-carroll

this is v interesting. article is mostly balanced on the cause of the seahawks' implosion, although the primary sources are the players who are blaming carroll/the FO/wilson to an extent. but...kind of sounds like the players in question are assholes and probably the real problem? would be interested in other ppl's takes, not convinced of my read but several of the player quotes rubbed me the wrong way.

richard sherman and russell wilson both seem insufferable in very different ways. the rest of it is noise, seattle had their 5-year window like just about every elite roster does. the idea that people were asked to treat wilson differently at a time when he hadn't really earned that right rings true but this is all about age, injuries, and salaries.

BEREA, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns are turning to an undrafted rookie who failed a drug test at the scouting combine as the initial replacement for Joe Thomas at left tackle.

;-)

nice, that's real football.
i'm going to foxboro sunday for the texans :D
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, September 7, 2018 11:24 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

RS, do you live in Boston?

for the last 12 years and the next 7 days

ah cool, good luck on your move!

TY :)

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jesus

every season this dumb sport sucks me in less than the one before, but despite that, I am still feeling stoked for week 1.

- hopeful long-suffering Bears fan

not like i was doing serious nfl viewing, let alone fantasy anymore, but i’m taking the year off from watching any nfl or score following. good luck usa 🙄.

i’m like the lateadopter of my likely friends to do this, but it doesnt seem to be emotionally fun for me at this point. my opinion of ncaa football universe chased me out of that like 20 years ago and it has survived so...

the number of chuckle-y, eyerolling pieces i've seen today that are like "lol no one knows what a catch is, the officiating is terrible, both of these teams sucked, yay football is back!" seems even higher than usual. does this have analogues in other sports? i'm struggling to think of any.

an entire subgenre of baseball writing is essentially this, although the lol/yay stuff comes from the kornheiser/stephen a. types rather than the strict baseball ppl.

the complaints are generally that strikeouts and home runs are way up (and thus there are fewer balls in play) and that half the league isn't really trying to win. neither is wrong

Happy w my Fins so far but fuck this lightning delay

thread title delivering

what is happening in cleveland

ok browns gonna brown nvm

Lol at that ending

Also my game has had 2.5 hours of lightning delays

Browns down 21-7 with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter, Pitt has the ball 1st and 10. Browns win! tie!

haha jesus god my eyes

Mahomes is killing the Chargers.

lolz from the Deadspin comments:

The Browns were +5 in takeaways today. Since the Browns returned to the NFL, teams with a turnover margin of +5 or better in a game are 132-4-1. The Browns are responsible for two of those losses and the tie.

pretty sure EVERY SINGLE PLAY in the third quarter of this washington football team game had a penalty flag on it

🧐

— Le'Veon Bell (@LeVeonBell) September 9, 2018

My Fins game just entered the 4th.

It started at 1:02

lol @ dallas

Tannehill with the throw of his career

The Fins Titans game was 10-3 like 5 minutes ago.

24-17 now. Two kick return TDs

Lol @ Blaine Gabbert. He thinks he's people

man I’m loving the Peterman Era so much already

when he retires in 3 weeks he’s going to own a legendary stat line

Jesus Christ the Packers look awful

If Rodgers can’t come back they might get shut out

oh no rodgers

this is so depressing

If there was a player that deserved it less

football doc on the twitters says doesn't look like a major injury by video. seemed like 2017 season kicked off with about 4 or 5 franchise players gone for the year.

Lol and their backup gets strip sacked in the red zone

Don’t think it’s possible for this to go any worse for Green Bay

wtf i looked up and mack has another turnover?? gooood grief

(it got worse)

Lol I knew as soon as I posted that

Go Brew Crew

He's back!

Do they risk putting him out there?

This game would be interesting if Kizer hadn’t thrown what will inevitably go down as the dumbest pick six of the year

At least Garo Yepremian was a kicker

Don’t hate on the pajama drip💧 pic.twitter.com/UtgRMFYnOx

— Carolina Panthers (@Panthers) September 9, 2018

cam newton <3<3<3

Damn that throw

lol aaron just back legging a 50 yard bomb right on point nbd

Lol Matt Nagy. I saw him play Arena League matches

Well

Hmmm

The fuck ...shambolic closing on that last run

Here we go boys

legendary

Lol

If only McCarthy hadn’t burned those timeouts

hahhaa wow

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What a boneheaded penalty

Oh my fucking god Clay

That was incredible

Btw i have both A Rodg and Davante Adams on my fantasy team lol

Holy shit Aaron Godgers

Do they risk putting him out there?

― frogbs, Sunday, September 9, 2018 9:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Mods plz delete this post

aaron rodgers

also:

cleveland browns

how much win probability did Nagy punt by kicking the FG on that final drive? feel like that was a no-brainer to go for it on 4th and 1 especially with Rodgers in god mode. turned into Andy Reid there.

the first play that worried me was when they went for it on 4th down and Trubisky ran into his own dude, nearly giving us Butt Fumble v2.0.

Kyle Fuller dropping a ball that hit him right in the hands was a pretty big deal too

Rodgers deserves plenty of credit (as do Cobb & Adams) but the Bears blew that in five different ways

It's almost as if the "Bears kick a FG to go up 6 and allow Rodgers to complete a game-winning drive" plotline was preordained by God himself. I checked Twitter w/ 7 minutes to go and saw a dozen variations of that idea. the Packers only needing 18 seconds to get the game winner was pretty unexpected though

they are who we thought they were

if i don't watch games or follow scores can i still follow ilnfl because this part still feels right.

i'm not gonna kick am i?

looooooool

only the jets guys

stafford throw another one

2012 NFL Week 5 - "This is Tony Romo's Sistine Chapel"

j-e-t-s ? ? ?

i am in the wrong frame of mind to watch this raiders game tonight, so far it’s all just pissing me off

Brb buying super bowl tix for the jets

I did not think I would ever say this but they should've stayed with Caldwell

heartwarming to see matt patricia has taken his love of shipping 40+ points to the other team with him to MI

a summary of the bills offense pic.twitter.com/OwmsWazRwF

— charles mcdonald (lakers 0-0) (@FourVerts) September 10, 2018

The best thing I saw yesterday?

This guy from the Baltimore Ravens Marching Band playing PERFECT air drums to Rush's "Tom Sawyer": pic.twitter.com/uKxtXue0PM

— Prescott Rossi (@PrescottRossi) September 10, 2018

Att: 18
Comp: 5 (27.8%)
y/Att: 1.3
TD: 0
Int: 2

wow @ that Bills play. I've definitely seen the "receiver not running the same play as the QB" thing but that was something else. hopefully they didn't give him intentional grounding out of sheer pity

mesopotamian irrigation system in the front, party in the back pic.twitter.com/XLnCjw56CR

— Astead (@AsteadWesley) September 9, 2018

lmao

This man Aaron Rodgers must’ve taken the strongest pain pills during halftime. He was absolutely geeked out of his mind during the post game interview 😂😂 pic.twitter.com/SEMLhBMike

— 𝙹𝚊𝚔𝚎 (@JMRogers14) September 10, 2018

Just makes the comeback that much more impressive. I can’t even hit a dartboard if I’m that stoned. I guess Favre really did mentor him.

lol he's lit

Browns are releasing WR Josh Gordon on Monday.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 15, 2018

The Browns are back in town

i remember watching that rodgers postgame thinking.. something seems off with this guy

andy reid winning september again

A yearly ritual

I have been a fins fan since 88 and my eyes are welling up w tears at the way the D has played this first half

i would remind you it's just the jets but they did score 100 points last week

dear god the bills

somehow missed that ryan fitzpatrick is murdering the eagles. slaying two nfc playoff favourites week one and two, nbd

Bills outscored 75-9 in their first 6 quarters

Darnold's having a bad game tho arguably his teammates are not helping him

He will be good

browns might wiiiiin

packers-vikings is 🔥 🔥 🔥

Mahomie has 6tds already...

i was thinking to myself, having watched the last few years of washington games, is this situation likely to work out for kirk cousins? probably not

browns had a 91.4% win probability after three quarters

oh man

browns

what

this game

That late hit on Clay was such a god awful call. This is fucking unbelievable.

THIS GAME

yeah terrible call imo. no fan of clay matthews but that was not a penalty

every chiefs game is going to have 60+ total points. mahomes is breaking records

Not convinced Steelers actually wanted to win this.

time to bring back james harrison i guess

pats rookie lb just had total open lane to bortles, untouched, and ran straight past him. never seen anything like it.

bentley? huh

Lol 2 ties in two weeks

salvaging a tie is nice but man that felt like the Fail Mary and the 2014 NFCCG all in one

Wow, that catch by Cole

amazing. feel like this will not be a great day for NE at all. not that they ever play well in early games in florid

sometimes you just get murdered by the elite jaguars passing game

Yeah, gonna be a tough one for NE

apparently after the first half of the bills game vontae davis pulled himself out of the game and retired.

eric rowe YOU GOT MOSSED

xpost seriously?! hahah that's outstanding

lmao and it's only the 2nd game

TS: dahomes vs fitzmagic

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^^ is what I’m sayin

pats haven't made a stop on defense without help from a penalty being called in about 3 years

but, even with caveats for the ne defense, blake bortles has looked p nice today.

rrrrrrraiders

u_u

Update: still mad about the Clay roughing call

though to be fair the biggest victim of that call has got to be Minnesota's kicker

why on earth would anyone choose to put the nyf giants on a nationwide prime-time broadcast

the only answer i can think of is that maybe eli will get killed

Giants/Cowboys games were pretty consistently hilarious for a while but yeah it's been years since the Giants were entertaining

Frank Gore moves into 4th place on the all-time rushing list...

Emmitt Smith - 18,355
Walter Payton - 16,726
Barry Sanders - 15,269
Frank Gore - 14,112
Curtis Martin - 14,101

talk of the town

Dear BFF... #Part1 pic.twitter.com/JSryXGqzFx

— Marquette King (@MarquetteKing) September 17, 2018

looks like the seahawks will go 0-2 after meeting jordan peterson

lmao

love how espn keeps going to the khalil mack miked up and the audio is basically "GRRRRAAAAUGHGHGHGHGHGH" (tackle) "GGRRAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH" (sack)

yall heard mahomes speak yet? he's got that evan turner syndrome.

help I've been laughing at this for 3 minutes straight

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Gruden: “it’s hard to find a great pass rusher.” ... He really needs to start punting all pass rush questions

— Vic Tafur (@VicTafur) September 19, 2018

i don't really have anything against chuckie but i find myself hoping he fails miserably

have any coaches succeeded after long layoffs? joe gibbs' second stint with the hatcats was a success by recent hatcat standards, but nothing like his first run. marty schottenheimer was okay after a three-year break

parcells did pretty well after various breaks

no one would be batting an eye at dude right now had he not shipped out Mack. Will go down as one of the worst moves in nfl history.

Calling the Gruden Hotline right now to complain about unleashing this dude on the NFC North

nah i think we're batting a couple eyes

Asked about the use of analytics, Jon Gruden said he’s not focused on “the GPSes” and all that. “I’m trying to bring the game back to 1998.” #Raiders

— Kimberley A. Martin (@ByKimberleyA) February 28, 2018

i mean sure it goes away (for now) if they win a few games, but none of this bodes well for the longest coaching contract in nfl history

guys he’s killing me

maybe this is the break you need to become a niners fan

(sorry)

watch it

ALERTALERT mayfield has his helmet on and tyrod is holding his back (and playing terribly)

get this team out of the NFL

ALERT tyrod is in the medical tent!

The Jets? Agree

Xpost

ALERT BAKER IS ON THE FIELD ALERT

reinstate this team into the NFL

MVP of the 1st half pic.twitter.com/B9CZyBYe7i

— Sports Nation Ohio (@SN_Ohio) September 21, 2018

Welp

congrats my man

damned if baker doesn't have a little drew brees in him

can't believe i missed such a landmark game. wtg browns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhjprz1TNjI

love marty (pittsburgh kid, of course) but i can't say that the gleam has fired me up

In Miami and ready. VG hope we can b friendz

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The Bills absolutely have a shot at finishing this game with all 53 players.

— Kevin Clark (@bykevinclark) September 23, 2018

seriously tho, this is some wild shit

Minn better figure something out during the half bc this is humiliating

All these ads touting Thursday football btwn two title contenders Vikings and rams and meanwhile

Also thought garrops was supposed to be good

man ridley is having a game

Clay Matthews literally not allowed to touch the QB

fffuuuuu

neanderthal our friendship hangs in the balance

Aw :(

Saints Falcs game is so good

I almost passed out due to heat exhaustion at the Fins game

Jimmy G likely torn acl fmlllllllllll

neanderthal i decided we are still friends - my beef is with my team >:(

nooooo jimmy g

i feel terrible about this.

Aw fuck that news :(

Belichick is a legend hahaha. pic.twitter.com/o3iG9ST3MH

— uSTADIUM (@uSTADIUM) September 23, 2018

can't wait for an entire week of "is the Patriot dynasty over?" before they inevitably finish 13-3

They need to get some of their key players back, but they look pretty weak right now.

just when you thought the "roughing the passer" debacle couldn't get any worse

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24782945/william-hayes-miami-dolphins-tears-acl-trying-avoid-sack-flag

Livid over that

crazy that they find a new way to shoot themselves in the foot every season

niners should sign kaepernick imo

def

Fitzmagic huh

yikes

Steeler D just doin dumb shit

Witten calling Bell "pot committed" re: his holdout = an unintentional double meaning

Fitzmagic huh
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, September 24, 2018 8:51 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh he'll drop his Sistine chapel on the final drive, just watch

three straight almost picks thrown at Steelers, good way to bow out shitspatrick

nfl saving itself from another collusion suit: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24812861/carolina-panthers-sign-cornerback-eric-reid

Vikings defense looks bad!

i had a weird dream that Mitch Trubisky threw six touchdown passes

16 completions, 6 TD's. Checks out.

literally had a weird dream last night about a pats/packers SB finally happening and the score was tied at 27 and I think the pack scored the winning TD in overtime, but I was like in denial and trying not to find out what happened at the end

this fins/pats game so one sided that I had to find an online stream b/c CBS switched it over to atlanta

Bill Belichick on Dolphins apparent fake injury: "That's fucking bullshit." https://t.co/DZbZexkL6g pic.twitter.com/Y7Ej2eCojN

— Deadspin (@Deadspin) September 30, 2018

through 40 minutes today the patriots were the only team in the afc east to have scored a point

Fuckin Fins. Oh well

tennessee! wow

Season is all over the place so far.

lol @ indy

jfc

Raiders with a nice drive.

Indy coach should be fired on the spot for that. Shouldn’t even be allowed to enter the locker room again

anything positive oakland does feels wholly accidental

the 1-2 Pats blowing out the 3-0 Dolphins is the most predictable thing ever

also how in the living hell did Buffalo blow out Minnesota like that, they looked godawful on both sides of the ball vs. Green Bay, who usually make everyone look like all-stars

Christ, this Browns game.

^^^

My friend turned on the Browns-Raiders game and his soon-to-be 3-year old yelled

"I WANT TO WATCH...NOT THIS!!!"

it's madness all around

Go Browns ;)

Chubb MVP

WTF

what even

Oh for shits sake.

LOL i am as surprised as anyone rn

I can't do this anymore.

who among us has ever lived on the edge more than the browns so far this season?

how... how did either of those teams put up 42

whatever happens i still love u brownie

daria it is a mystery

<3

respec knucks brownie

Nice win VG!

Chubb pulled off some insane plays holy shit

Browns are like 3 plays away from 4-0 lol

they should have gone for on 4th and an inch!!! they would’ve literally won the game if they converted!

the refs shouldn’t blown the whistle on the carr fumble td. forward progress my ass. the refs fucked us bigtime.

Was that the play midway through the 4th? I didn’t have the sound on and couldn’t figure out why that wasn’t a fumble.

so i guess le'veon bell looked at earl thomas' injury and thought to himself 'i gotta get some of that'

Mahomes is pretty good huh

Great game tonight. That mahomes left handed pass was rad.

denver did a good job of containing him for a lot of the game, but not quite until the end. awesome game.

yeah that pass reminded me of something Favre would do. for someone who's basically a rookie he's made a lot of really smart, heads-up plays. no way does Alex Smith engineer that sort of comeback. it's nice that the NFL has multiple exciting young QBs again.

I love watching the chiefs cos they’re fun on offense and severely flawed on defense

excited for patrick mahomes' mvp season

Jakeem Grant is amazing

This Green Bay first half really shaping up to be one for the ages

Fins haven't been 4-1 since I was in college #hoping

The officiating is a joke

We have had bullshit defensive penalties called on us all game

ELI

he is very very bad now

officiating aside, i think we have officially arrived at lolphins

This hurts

Every team i root for fucking sucks in all sports

this giants game is absurd

Crosby the first kicker in over 20 years to miss 5 kicks in a game

wow

carolina end of this drive is malpractice

loooool of course

the most ridiculous two quarters of football ive seen in a long time

sick kick

dang, incredible kick, totally undeserved after that drive

haha wtf browns

"

Browns destined to miss the game winner here right

Well goddamn

your 2-2-1 cleveland browns

that was the worst goddamn looking winning kick I ever seen, it looked like it was f*cking blocked but it was untouched

jfc this team

go browns ;)

to recap: the Browns kicker missed an extra point and then later on kicked a game winning 37 yard field goal in OT that was like 10 feet off the ground and a knuckle ball.

Bruce Irvin is rocking the checkered @VANS_66 today 🏁 pic.twitter.com/7DmVwENBW8

— Oakland Raiders (@Raiders) October 7, 2018

WORST GAME-WINNING KICK EVER!!!!

just saw on the break a gronk ad for tide pods and then.. eastern motors ad where a couple of washington football players tell alex smith he needs to study up on go go music!? (if you are not from dc this makes no sense i know)

HELLO MIAMI, y'all have been BENGALED giving up 27 unanswered in the 4th up 17-0!

WHO DEY!

Doesn't happen much, but you got to shout out when the Bengals beat a team in a way Cincy usually snatches defeat out of the jaws of victory.

ERTZ for UTZ

Seems like a local add marketing idea that should happen.

eagles are not good

I've only watched a couple of quarters all year, including the 4th quarter of the Bengals/Fish game. Reading the recaps and stats, I can't tell who is really good this year.

Rams and Chiefs would be a weird Superbowl matchup, seems very unlikely.

yeah Rams & Chiefs are the only two teams that haven't really embarrassed themselves yet

let's all just enjoy the chiefs before they fade precipitously and exit the playoffs 0-1. altho the afc looks like it'll be a worse shambles than expected even. maybe the jags will pull their shit together and yesterday will be an aberration for bortles. seemed like the ravens might be scraping something together until yesterday too. hard to believe in cincy.

rams do seem v legit, altho it was funny that when the rams were shit they kept beating the hawks when seattle was good, and the script nearly flipped on them yesterday. bears look p nice too. not sure what happened to the saints defense, but maybe they'll click again thru the season, or maybe last year was the aberration for them.

had the vikes-iggles game on yesterday and suddenly the TV went blank and i think it might be permanently broken

Random stats: With the Cardinals victory over the 49ers, every team in the NFL now has at least one win, and only six teams have just one win.

there are v few teams that seem completely hopeless. even bad teams like the cardinals have potential upside. who is the most hopeless team? miami maybe?

and they're like 3-1

sorry 3-2

bills?

the bills are worse than miami, they're a contender. that vikings result is not going to become any more explicable as the season wears on. raiders look like the other genuinely bad team in the afc. arizona vs niners might be a playoff for the #1 pick. the giants are probably a notch up from them but maybe not, it would be great if they're truly as bad as they have seemed at times.

the niners have been brutally unlucky with injuries of course, those other teams all somehow planned to be like this

bills maybe have a future at qb tho no?

not on the evidence so far

raiders seem pretty hopeless to me

didn't realize that they also have no place to play next year

def the raiders

It's like Gruden can't help himself. When asked about how to get more TOs: "It starts with pressuring the quarterback, we’ve got to get more pressure on the quarterback. We’ve got to force him to make some bad decisions."

— Ann Killion (@annkillion) October 8, 2018

gofundme: gruden shock collar for every time he talks about anything remotely related to pass rush

Lol@nfl for giving the Saints a 15yd penalty for celebrating when Brees broke the All-Time Passing record on a 62yd td pass on MNF in the dome.

that was def the worst alex smith game i've ever witnessed

Feels important that the cathats get stomped on indigenous peoples day.

lmao at that 15 yard penalty, that is the most on-brand thing I've ever seen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpFKkOSX4AEKvDP.jpg

this is a p interesting view after 5 games. expected points added - top half is best defenses, right half is best offenses.

Brock Osweiler starts. Miami up 7-0 thanks to a comical textbook piledrive penalty

Howard fumbles at the 1.

I refuse to be happy til we have a 4w point lead

*42

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Albert Wilson is god

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That Fins game was the most insane thing I ever saw

every time redzone went to a miami possession it was the bears blowing a play up or wilson doing something sweet

derek carr: 23/31, 142 yds (4.6 avg)

BENGALS BEING BENGALS...

The breaking point is here. Damn. #Raiders pic.twitter.com/bAAkwygaVE

— Damon Bruce (@DamonBruce) October 14, 2018

y'all

look at derek carr's day vs seattle pic.twitter.com/zqXM5Mp562

— Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) October 14, 2018

making eli look like a gunslinger

Raiders situation is sad

holy shit this game

def love football again

for a second i wondered why the patriots were so chill on that final drive. i rarely feel like they know as much as they want you to think they do, but they 100% knew they had what they wanted on that drive.

whatever the matchup or defense was, they knew they had that 1:1 with gronk whenever they needed it

seemed like nbc crew spent like 2/3 of the broadcast talking up patrick mahomes & now i turn on espn and they're talking about... patrick mahomes

he was impressive but... they lost the game?

Better than hearing about Brady the whole time like usual

This nfl season has been rad

new england sports fans are THE WORST

Peep the fans tossing beer in Tyreek Hill's face 🙄 (via @ChaseHughesNBCS) pic.twitter.com/NolaJqAUbN

— Overtime (@overtime) October 15, 2018

they should be talking about why the patriots were walking to the line on the wrong side of the 50 with less than two minutes to go and still easily got in field goal range

Chiefs D is so bad

it's been pointed out before, but the chiefs combo of ridiculous offense and nearly-as-ridiculously bad defense makes them the most telegenic team in nfl history.

Or the 2000 Rams

they should be talking about why the patriots were walking to the line on the wrong side of the 50 with less than two minutes to go and still easily got in field goal range

Belichick is one of the few coaches in the league who actually plays these situations correctly

Figured the Chiefs should've just let Gronk score after he got to the 9 or whatever but I don't think anyone makes that decision in real time

gronk has also been in the same situation before and went down to avoid scoring, iirc

wouldn't work against a smart defender who knows there's no such thing as "backwards progress"

i mean, if the chiefs just blatantly decide not to tackle in that situation, gronk could just stand still before running out of bounds with a few seconds left.

that's why you carry him into the endzone

wentz is 23/27 for 2tds through 3q

wow you've gotta be kidding me

that is a tough loss for the iggles

why is r+ds+ins QB running out of bounds there

dallols

and let's not forget to also pour one out for bloltimore

chieves

Christ this team looks scary. feels like some single-season records may fall this year.

so are the Cowboys going to sign Rae Carruth?

Josh Allen, heading into Week 8, ranks LAST in:

Comp. % (54%)
YPA (5.99)
Yards per dropback (4.34)
TD:INT ratio (2:5)
Passer rating (61.8)
QBR (29.5)
TD% (1.4%)
Sack% (11.8%)
Passing DYAR (-497)
Passing DVOA (-62.2%)

— Scott Kacsmar (@FO_ScottKacsmar) October 24, 2018

hue out

RIP to The Lue and Hue Show

https://deadspin.com/ty-montgomery-went-rogue-1830069649

as if that decision could have been any worse. I don't know if the Packers have run it out past the 25 ever. minus the ones where they get flagged for holding or illegal block in the back of course.

that Montgomery play was :-O

Haley out as Brown's OC.

seems odd that the Browns are cleaning house now and not when they literally lost every single game in a season

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dqs442-VAAA_Zde.jpg:small

smh

https://deadspin.com/patriots-knocked-down-a-solid-notch-or-two-by-devastati-1830088243

We have lost a legend.
Football writer/raconteur Paul Zimmerman, 86, died this afternoon.
There’s only one Dr. Z. He’ll be missed.

— Peter King (@peter_king) November 1, 2018

aw :(

very sad news, he's one of the all-time great sportswriters--basically all football writing as we know it is influenced by the good doctor.

endless 75-yard TD drives in this rams-aints game

Dr. Z was awesome and he got into football so young at the right place and pretty much had a first person history of a good chunk of the league.

These are worth pulling out of a used book store for a buck. They were a part of my early football education.

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This Rams/Saints game is really fun

Great game

damn

Dez Bryant was helped off the field at #Saints practice today after suffering what the team fears may be a torn Achilles, sources tell me and @RapSheet. He’s getting an MRI now.

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) November 9, 2018

ffs how are pats special teams SO BAD this season with all the $$ bill puts into special teams?

kamara is so good

saints offense is roolling~

pats looking like it's the first month of the season out here. sigh

has an nfl coach ever been fired at halftime? asking for todd bowles

Saints better without Dez??

Browns win!!!

And looked good doing it!

what a difference a Gregg Williams makes

Everything you need to know about the Jon Gruden #Raiders in 2018. Derek Carr throws it into the ground on 4th & 5 down 14 with 4 minutes left in the game. After a timeout. pic.twitter.com/QAJfuNuKZI

— John Dickinson (@JDJohnDickinson) November 11, 2018

thread title reality

We have released QB Nathan Peterman. pic.twitter.com/1DtMKfvZ0M

— Buffalo Bills (@buffalobills) November 13, 2018

Steelers players removed Le’Veon Bell’s name over his locker and are now plundering it, dividing up his many football shoes and other stuff

— Ed Bouchette (@EdBouchette) November 14, 2018

Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.

The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.

If the Browns follow through on it, Rice would become the first woman to interview for an NFL head-coaching job.

I just saw that what the actual fuck

lmao

that's one way to skirt the rooney rule I guess

Watched a bit of football today. Lamar Jackson looked decent in his pro debut. He is still crazy fast and was successful in the short to mid passing game. Big thing like all running QB's is that how long until the hits start adding up. For now, it was promising.

The eagles are bad

Saints are really good, but I got to wonder if they are peaking early.

Eagles DBs are decimated at this point. Good news is that Philly might get a good draft slot and could bounce back next year if they hit on a couple of picks.

Mitch Trubisky looks like he was having fun on that last rollout touchdown pass.

lol at the hatcats signing mark sanchez over, say, colin kaepernick

this game is fun

every penalty just means more yards for mahomes

good contrast between the systematic efficiency of the rams vs. the chaotic athleticism of the chiefs

This game is nuts

^^

this is pretty much what I expected really

over 90 combined pts w 9 min left is bonkers

the over/under was 63.5, which is the largest in NFL history

Was 30 points too low

lol should've intentionally stepped out of bounds

What the actual fuck

Andy Reid's elite clock management could save this for the Chiefs

Damn Tyreek why take that out

Kansas City vs L.A. or N.O would be the dream Super Bowl matchup.

Chiefs averaging 45.5 points in their losses this year

That half time show in the Cowboys/Hatcats game on Thursday was hilariously awful. It would even crack me up more to find out how much it probably cost and how much people got paid to put on such a spectacle.

Browns gotta take care of business today. Let’s goooooooooo!

THIS TEAM IS GONNA WIN THE FUCKING SUPER BOWL

would not mind seeing a team with 3 wins going into week 12 win the super bowl, that would be quite a story

Build Damarious Randall a statue today for handing Hue the INT ball pic.twitter.com/ZWRp1aDL2R

— Bottlegate (@Bottlegate) November 25, 2018

cleveland browns for president

1st road win since 10/11/2015 praise clev

things are finally looking up for those browns!

;)

this Pitt game is madness all the time

Rivers 28/29 passing O__o

this has got to be the end of the line for Mike McCarthy, right? it's pretty clear that, in addition to all the issues with his in-game decision making, the Packers are just not a well-coached team - they regularly blow blocking assignments, screw up routes, make boneheaded special teams decisions, waste timeouts for no reason, etc. etc. I mean, it's been a hard-luck season all around, between the dumb roughing calls directly costing them games, to the Ty Montgomery kickoff return fumble, and of course that game where they missed 16 points worth of kicks & turned it over 4 times...but they're a better team than this. These were all winnable games!!

i feel like this is the offseason where McCarthy and Garrett and Lewis will finally all be gone.

what head coaches are actually good tho? belichick, andy reid, sean payton. maybe pederson, mcvay, carroll, tomlin, rivera? and even with some of them, it's difficult to separate 'being a good coach' from 'having a hall of fame QB'

miss u eric mangini

i think pretty clearly the top tier are Belichick, Reid, Tomlin, and Payton. Though w/Payton, i was surprised to see that he's had 7 winning seasons and 5 at .500 or worse, i thought he'd been better than that. I guess I'd slept on those three consecutive 7-9 seasons prior to last season.

I believe in Shannahan still. Needs a full season with a reasonably healthy and/or not domestic abusing roster.

I think it's pretty well accepted by now that Rodgers + a halfway decent coach would get you at least 2 SBs by now. Who knows how true that is but I think it's clear that the team's success came in spite of McCarthy, not because of it. He may get another HC gig but I'd be shocked if he's still in the league a decade from now.

yeah i think for too long people were making the mistake of seeing the Packers' success as a result of a Rodgers/McCarthy partnership as opposed to a guy who is in the conversation for greatest QB of all-time dragging a coach along with him. I think there was a wish that this would be a Belichick/Brady situation, and it could have been i think, there hasn't been a single dominant NFC team for the past decade but the Packers were the closest.

it's hilarious our local sports talk was reading comments from ppl in WI that think Rodgers is "uncoachable" and needs to be benched and all this shit too funny

It's like...even if you didn't value Rodgers as much as most, I think you have to put him in the top 10 QBs of all time and I don't think McCarthy is on anyone's top 10 coaches, or top 20, 50, 100 list

Yeah I'm looking at their Super Bowl season again and remembering how many games they either blew or came close to blowing thanks to McCarthy's singular obsession with "establishing the run", his inability to design a single reliable short-yardage play, and his late-game strategy of "run-run-pass-punt". they got Vick's Eagles in the WC game and absolutely dominated them through three quarters, but just completely shut down their offense in the 4th and nearly let them come back and tie it. 4 years later at Seattle they did the same thing and it cost them a trip to the Super Bowl.

one thing I've definitely noticed is how he added trick plays and fakes into his arsenal around 2012 but seems to pick the absolute worst times to deploy them. like running that fake punt vs. Miami, sure it caught them off guard and it wound up working but they were at a point in the game where Miami getting a cheap turnover was literally their only hope. see also his 4th-and-1 playcalling where he just rams it up the middle with the RB starting 3 years behind the line of scrimmage. you see that formation and you immediately know it isn't gonna work, and you just know that McCarthy is gonna throw his hands up and say, "see! I told ya going for it on 4th was dumb!"

I mean, all you really need to look at is McCarthy's record without Rodgers. Outside of a few magical Matt Flynn games they basically transform into a league-worst offense. obviously losing a great QB is gonna be tough but coaches like Belichick and Reid have managed pretty respectable records when their guys went down.

Reid managed a 53-27 record w/Alex Smith behind center and his success in Philly may be more impressive if you consider McNabb to have been a great but deeply inconsistent QB.

sports fans are great, i assume every fanbase has their own example of "run the bum out of town!" chatter when an all-time great player has some manufactured flaw. probably last season Saints fans were yelling that Drew Brees was holding them back.

it made some sense when Rodgers was backing up Favre and was clearly going to be at least decent...makes a lot less sense now that our backup is the only starter boneheaded enough to lose to Brett Hundley

kareem hunt ...

DAL/NO was pretty wild

was weird to see so many people say "this could be one of those weird and dumb upset games" and then have it actually happen

Jesus Christ Hunt needs to be cut from the team before sundown

apparenlty this happened in February. i bet he doesnt even get a one game suspension.

xxp i feel like dallas always beats teams they shouldn't have (see iirc KC game last year too) esp like the week after Philly loses to them

the bits of DAL/NO i saw were terrible. upsets are cool, but bad officiating, awful playing, idiotic penalties and multiple concussions are not

it was a horrible game to watch for sure

Hunt will get a four game suspension and be back really very contrite and just in time for the playoffs

NFL already knew about this months ago and didn't suspend him.

Oh wow ok chiefs

Chiefs statement about releasing RB Kareem Hunt: pic.twitter.com/kNVnM00mub

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 1, 2018

now release tyreek hill!

Guys its not like he knelt for the anthem

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25420168/kareem-hunt-kansas-city-chiefs-placed-commissioner-exempt-list?platform=amp

Mike McCarthy gotta go. Rodgers should just stay home if McCarthy is still head coach for the next game.

Rodgers did not play especially well today

but yeah Mike is absolutely done

Merry Christmas to me

Wow

Yeah didn't expect a mid season firing

as a bears fan I’ll miss ol Mike

a loss to the 2018 cardinals will do that to you

Kaepernicks collusion case looking pretty damn good

Mark Sanchez will always be hilarious

I'll never call Tannehill elite but watching him throw a beautiful dime despite barely being able to plant was the best middle finger to fairweather Miami fans

pat mahomes man, unreal

looooooooooooooooooooooooool

OMG MIAMIIIIII

crying rn that was amazing

i mean that play NEVER works wtf

it was beautifully done

why did they put gronk back there? he's not as fast as he used to be!!

Lol yep not only is that the first time I’ve ever seen that play work it’s the first time I’ve seen it gain more than -5 yards

Music City Miracle?

Gronk at safety, 4 points dropped by Gostkowski, the points left at the end of the first half...Miami inspires their opponents to play like them.

gronk tryna make that game saving tackle & failing was a beautiful topper to that, all time great sequence

pats are cursed in miami for real

i feel like i've been watching joe buck and troy aikman call a ridiculous cowboys eagles game every single week of the football season for like six years

seems more like 20 years

generally would agree but, even while having no betting/rooting interest, this game has been p good esp the 2d half

every qb is in the rex grossman fan club ffs

last 20 minutes of this eagles-cowboys game has been p sick

cowboys had the ball for over 45 minutes— that can’t happen too often

imo philly played as well defensively as any team who has ever given up 576 yards

enjoying the heck out of this bears game

whyyyyy didn't belichick pay akiem hicks

good use of ratt

imo philly played as well defensively as any team who has ever given up 576 yards

― johnny crunch, Sunday, December 9, 2018 9:08 PM (yesterday)

the defense was pretty awful but they did have some nicely timed takeaways and tackles for loss, as well as dallas penalties. I know complaining about officiating is pointless, but that non-overturn on the opening kickoff and the phantom call on goddaert late in the 4th were pretty egregious

Sebastian Janikowski in that all line green Seahawks uni is hilarious.

Lime...

The 8-bit Tecmo version of the "Miami Miracle" pic.twitter.com/RnzvKOu6dO

— Benstonium (@Benstonium) December 10, 2018

This is one of the worst games I've ever seen fucking Vikings

Very ugly

#Eagles QB Carson Wentz, dealing with a back issue, is not expected to play this week, sources say. Depending on the result, given the time of year, Wentz may not play again in 2018. The team is still gathering info on his health.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 12, 2018

congrats Eagles

that was a really fun game.

just wanna say going for 2 at the end like that is awesome

yeah that was great stuff. and how easy the play ended up being was hilarious

theoretically you should probably go for 2 every time vs. the Chiefs

easy money

I'm interested in the Colts as they have been completely off the national TV radar, I have not seen them play this season. Cowboys looked pretty good the last couple of games I have seen, so Indy swatting them down in a shutout like that has me curious. From what I am reading, the Colts have a young defense and o-line that is starting to really figure it out and are as balanced right now as they have ever been.

amazing that the AFC South has 3 teams with winning records, none of which is the one that nearly made the Super Bowl last year

https://deadspin.com/report-prophecy-fulfilled-as-raiders-sign-nathan-peter-1831209761

thread comes full circle

brees is p good

gd game damn

steelers got jobbed on the aints' first td

beat denver and oakland and it doesn't matter tho

the eagles game today was amazing

won and playoff odds still dropped from 41% to 31%

ty bears

I really reaaly wish the Browns could’ve pulled that one out. Oh well. Great season. The future is bright.

Felt really weird to cheer for the Bears today

time for a playoffs thread?

CINCINNATI -- The Bengals have parted ways with longtime coach Marvin Lewis, who endorsed his friend Hue Jackson as his replacement.

Lewis had one season remaining on a contract extension he signed last year. In a statement, the team said the decision was mutual.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25653722/bengals-coach-marvin-lewis-part-ways-6-10-season

considering how fucking cheap the bengals are, it's surprising they canned him with a year left on his contract

i also endorse hue jackson as his replacement just for the baker mayfield lolz

Marvin Lewis is a decent coach, the guy seems to have a knack for finding and developing talent. AFC South is pretty brutal conference and having to get over both the Steelers and Ravens both is a bigger task than most divisions in football. They won the division a couple of times going like 10-6 with the Ravens and Steelers going like 9-7... A couple of the playoff losses were totally fluky as they lost Palmer in the first series of the first playoff game and his knee was always a bit bonky after that play. His best team lost Dalton down the stretch run and had that insane loss to the Steelers with a backup QB a couple years ago.

Yeah there’s definitely an element of luck to that, much as there was when McCarthy was like 0-6 in OT games (several of which were in the playoffs). He’s probably the best guy on the market, right?