...the movie
who's gonna dunk this tome with me over the next few weeks? i love simmons on hoops even when he's challopsy or even just wrong but i think this book might be amazing
sitting in the package on my desk right now to start after cavs/celts when i get home-- thanking u amazon
― i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link
speaking of this guy, anyone watching that 30 for 30 serieshttp://30for30.espn.com/
― am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link
a 30 for 30 thread
― a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i kinda want to read this - i h8 this guys whole steez but sort of love his basketball writing - o jeez i just dont know - ive never read a sports book before this is weird for me
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 05:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i started it last night and the prologue is a big sloppy bj for larry bird of course, but its supposed to be a more personal intro before the nitty gritty starts up. i think its tolerable even if yr not a celtics fan and there's lots of good stuff. the footnotes are really funny!
i think there's going to be tons of quality kareem bashing too, which is a big plus in my book
― i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link
you should read it ice cr*m, i think if you like his bball writing theres going to be too much fun stuff in here to ignore-- i learned that dave cowens took off a third of a season to DRIVE A CAB
― i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
i missed the colts band 30 for 30 but the other two so far have been great-- thought berg's gretzky one was actually a great film, very cool and affecting, outstanding style
― i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think I could read an entire book of Simmons' writing.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link
i think i totally could - i just def dont have the time atm
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link
to echo those above, though, it would have to be abt hoops
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i'm not sure i'll have time for this until like the holidays
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
freedarko book vs book of basketball
― am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
freedarko i have a hard time reading 2 paragraphs - srsly learn writing guys!
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link
freedarko is awful and dumb imo
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't really want to read either of them!
― am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
good thing it's a free country, am0n!
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
freedarko book has been sitting on my dresser since the day it dropped, i love those guys tho
― a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpk_zOfxkhc
― am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I think Simmons is definitely at his best when he's doing straight NBA analysis, so I'm enjoying this so far (roughly 100pp in). The Isiah/Vegas chapter is really great.
One criticism I have is that weird semantic thing he does sometimes when he's discussing race in sports; for instance, in the Bird chapter he chalks part of Bird's career decline up to "a wave of athletic black forwards that were slowly making the Kelly Tripuckas and Kiki Vandeweghes obsolete."
I don't think anybody who's read Simmons for a while is at risk of misreading that, but I'm kinda surprised they left it in, y'know?
― Conservative HOT Mom! (govern yourself accordingly), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link
The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.
― jØrdån (omar little), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I was a big Jimmy the Greek fan as a little kid and was bummed when they fired him. :/
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link
this is a little off topic, but I can't stand the way he speaks on podcasts and stuff - sounds like I'm listening to a college sophomore with a bunch of flattened KEYSTONE LIGHT boxes taped to his wall
― 囧 (dyao), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link
he's on colbert tonight, should be coming on pretty soon...
― a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link
this is a little off topic, but I can't stand the way he speaks on podcasts and stuff - sounds like I'm listening to a college sophomore with a bunch of flattened KEYSTONE LIGHT boxes taped to his wall― 囧 (dyao), Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:25 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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i always liked this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQbcVnsK9g8
― candice spergin (cankles), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, if you look at who he's talking about that replaced Bird, Vandeweigh, and Tripuka, et al., he's not wrong. There were a bunch of really good, athletic power forwards who could run, rebound and dunk over a city bus, who happened to be black. The phrasing is awkward, and makes him seem to be placing the race thing a little high in the analysis.
I am looking forward to this book - his knowledge of NBA stuff is pretty amazing, and he tends to do some pretty inventive statistical analysis.
And yes, this dude was totally a douchebag in college.
― Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 30 October 2009 16:00 (fourteen years ago) link
the first real chapter ("the secret") is pretty good. simmon's tim duncan reclamation project is almost working on me. ive always found him the most boring superstar and basically hated him for wiping out the fun-n-suns year after year but always respected him as a player and think he's probably a great guy.
putting him in stark contrast now with shaq: four rings on the same team, cycled through good roleplayers that he made great (both did this), still in title contention with that same team, while shaq is now basically a big media presence journeyman...i think i'm convinced that timmy is the best of the era ending right about now.
― i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Friday, 30 October 2009 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link
duncan as the best of his generation is pretty indisputable imo
― ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Duncan = not of Kobe's era?
B/c -
Four rings with same teamCycled through journeymen and made them betterStill in title contention with same team
Could also describe Kobe.
― Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 30 October 2009 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
buddy sry kobe is not better than duncan - also shaq was the best player on 3/4 of those teams
― ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
1 duncan2 shaqthen kobe garnett et al
― ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
says the celts, fan get outta here
anyway duncan and kobe are apples n oranges
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 October 2009 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link
lol "celts fan, get"
as afar as know neither duncan or shaq are or have ever been on the celtics
― ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link
fan, get as afar as know
― ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link
In school, Duncan was a bright pupil and dreamt of becoming an Olympic-level swimmer like his sister, Tricia.[5][6] His parents were very supportive and Duncan excelled at swimming, becoming a teenage standout in the 50, 100 and 400 meters freestyle and aiming to make the 1992 Olympic Games as a member of the United States Team.[5]
When Hurricane Hugo destroyed the island's only Olympic-sized swimming pool in 1989, forcing Duncan to swim in the ocean, he soon lost enthusiasm because of his fear of sharks.[4]
this is why he's #1
― chemical ali v. chemical frazier (m bison), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
also spurs teams with duncan on them have never won fewer than 53 games (lockout season excepted)
― chemical ali v. chemical frazier (m bison), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
buddy sry kobe is not better than duncan
http://hillbilly10commandments.com/images/moses3.bmp
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 October 2009 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
huh, i never really think about kobe v duncan.
like kobe used to get compared to his contemporaries like pierce, ray allen, carter, mcgrady, but now that it's clear that none of them are as good as he is, he tends to get compared to jordan and maybe lebron.
they're definitely the best of the nba players who emerged in the late '90s, and both of them started out on teams that were immediately successful, but in terms of position and temperament they're completely different.
― circles, Friday, 30 October 2009 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
yah its a tough comparison but i think if kobe goes on a run the next few years with a ring or two and consistent finals appearances before he starts to decline, we'll end up looking at the 08 lakers/celts series as the start of the post-timmy era...esp if TD doesn't get another ring before he retires. i tend to think that kobe's first three rings dont count quite as much *for him* in this kind of discussion because he wasn't the undisputed leader of those teams. even more so than points, stats, etc i think thats what simmons convinced me about-- even on the 99 team with robinson, it was absolutely td's team.
― i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Saturday, 31 October 2009 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link
bought this book today iirc. chapter one was great--plenty of lols and good writing.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 October 2009 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
bill simmons is sitting in with the commentators @ celtics/bulls rite now
― am0n, Saturday, 31 October 2009 01:01 (fourteen years ago) link
not a good voice
― am0n, Saturday, 31 October 2009 01:02 (fourteen years ago) link
never heard him before colbert, if anything douchier than advertised
― 5-23-09 CLUTCH & EVIL LOOK (tremendoid), Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:18 (fourteen years ago) link
haha ive heard him like 100x via podcasts and such, but yeah as much as i like dude he gets frattier every element of him you discover writing -> voice -> irl
― k3vin k., Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i don't mind reading him actually, lets you know where he stands and puts teeth into it. entertaining as far as it goes
― 5-23-09 CLUTCH & EVIL LOOK (tremendoid), Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link
i remember when he was on colbert a while back, he got booed when he made fun of clinton for throwing like a girl
― candice spergin (cankles), Saturday, 31 October 2009 09:33 (fourteen years ago) link
This is what is going to make the Western Conf. so interesting this year. They both have good teams and something to prove.
― Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I can't imagine "something to prove" matters as much to Tim as it does to Kobes. I'm not trying to argue Duncan isn't driven or whatever, I just don't think he cares as much about what people think about him. (Tbf, he also doesn't have as much negativity to cope with.)
― This part of the sentence is even dumber. (lukas), Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah. That's probably a pretty fair assessment on both of them.
― Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Saturday, 31 October 2009 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Have purchased. Have read the first 100 or so pages. Have learned a lot about Boston basketball. Woo, this guy is a HOMER.
― Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/espns-simmons-says-86-celtics-better-than-96-bulls.html
What else would you expect from Bill Simmons? ESPN's "The Sports Guy" was in town on Monday promoting his lastest book, "The Book of Basketball," and told the Tribune's Luis Arroyave that it's no contest, the 1986 Celtics were better than the '96 Bulls.
"When Bill Wennington and Luc Longley are your two centers, you're instantly eliminated from being the best team ever," Simmons said.
No contest Robert Parish was a better center than Longley and Wennington. But using that logic, a Bulls fan could counter, no team with Danny Ainge as its shooting guard should ever be mentioned in the argument, since his Bulls counterpart was Michael Jordan.
Plus, Wennington was a backup. Does that mean Bulls fans can bring up Celtics backups Jerry Sichting and Greg Kite, whom the Boston Globe's Bob Ryan once called "the least talented player in the NBA."
Then again Jack Haley was on the '96 Bulls roster.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
96 bulls greater than the sum of their parts imo. also 72 wins, gotdamn, ur move simmons.
― sexual alien v. sexual predator (m bison), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm still pissed they got double-digit losses.they lost against at least one garbage team right near the end.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
mj made $290K more than kukoc that season 0_otheir last 2 losses were against raptors (21-61) and hornets (41-41)
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah jordan was like paid peanuts save for those last 2 years which were like 30 mil a year or something, right?
― sexual alien v. sexual predator (m bison), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link
man do i wish he'd gone through with calling this book "tell me how my book tastes"
― i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Xpost^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Either that title or "Black Men Can Jump." It would have been funny.
Now, look...I'm not a Boston fan. I wasn't when I didn't live in LA, and now I really hate them.
But Ainge back in the day? He was SO fast and really pesky as fuck on defense. I can't take away from him as a player. He wasn't MJ, of course, but the degrees of difference b/t him and MJ and Longley/Wennington v. Parish? No damn contest.
― Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 05:16 (fourteen years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5403430/you-are-not-the-cosmos-a-review-of-bill-simmons-book-of-basketball
― luol deng (am0n), Friday, 13 November 2009 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i like pierce but there's a lot of bullshit in that review
― omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer), Friday, 13 November 2009 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link
he comes off with a serious case of U MAD? in that review imo
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
i've been entangled in a long email back & forth with my friend about simmons as sparked by that piece
pretty much hate this guy but i would like him more if he cut the pop culture/bro shit b/c he can make some interesting points. and sometimes i feel like reading his pieces is like reading [nabisco] on sports.
― jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 13 November 2009 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
obv it's a takedown of simmons in the guise of a book review, but he is pretty accurate. dude is so in love with his own hit-or-miss shtick that the worthwhile content sometimes gets buired (xpost: ie what omar said)
― aarrissi-a-roni, Friday, 13 November 2009 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link
altho i don't hate him, i kinda read around it
― aarrissi-a-roni, Friday, 13 November 2009 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
years of training have left me v. adept at ignoring the pop culture/bro shit.
― omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer), Friday, 13 November 2009 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
it's pretty fucking funny for charles pierce to not recognize shtick as such since you know EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING when you read both him and simmons.
― omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer), Friday, 13 November 2009 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
^^those 2 posts are exactly my response too
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 13 November 2009 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i mean, everyone holds up simmons & vegas as like What is Wrong With Simmons (pretty proud of myself here) but shit, if you open that column you know what you're getting. same thing for his fantasy draft columns.
& i don't see why he shouldn't be in love with his own schtick, seeing as it's made him pretty damn popular and has endeared him to a huge fucking audience. and like cad says, it's pretty easy to skip his 580th teen wolf tangent
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i mean as a person who has no desire to go to vegas i actually find the vegas columns pretty entertaining as insight into something i will never do. a lot of the crit of simmons seems to be along the lines of "he only writes for people who are like him" which is only true if you just kind of reject a certain strain of dude lifestyle totally out of hand.
― omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer), Friday, 13 November 2009 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link
basically i say that he's the apatow movies of sportswriting - yeah other writers may make you think more or may be more impressive, but when it comes to big budget bang for your buck entertainment, it's hard to beat simmons
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 November 2009 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i mean as a person who has no desire to go to vegas i actually find the vegas columns pretty entertaining as insight into something i will never do. a lot of the crit of simmons seems to be along the lines of "he only writes for people who are like him" which is only true if you just kind of reject a certain strain of dude lifestyle totally out of hand. --omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer)
yeah this
― itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Friday, 13 November 2009 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
sort of shocked that a book abt basketball could be a #1 best seller
― ice cr?m, Friday, 13 November 2009 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
btw http://intothemusic.ca/images/uploads/covers/Bell_Chris_-_I_Am_The_Cosmos.jpg
<3 that album
― windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Friday, 13 November 2009 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link
TBH, I kind of treat Simmons as a guilty pleasure, and get a little embarassed when he comes up in conversations. I guess its because the Bill we see, who I doubt is what the real Bill Simmons is like regardless of how much he talks about his wife or his family, is one that is cultivated to attract people to read his discussions about sports.
His knowledge of sports, and in particular pro basketball, is pretty impressive, and he makes some interesting arguments and analyses of certain sports topics, but its all delivered with the pop culture references and bro-down stories that his core readership thrives on.
These are, of course, the same people who recite movie lines as jokes, and expect to therefore be regarded as funny.
― Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 13 November 2009 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Friday, November 13, 2009 1:43 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i liked when i got to the end and see his credits that basically say I AM A BITTER RAGEFUL SPORTSWRITER
― NEW YORK DESERVED 9-11 (cankles), Friday, 13 November 2009 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway re: this book - i love simmons when he talks basketball (and basically ignore him when he talks about anything else) so this seems like a great idea to me - i'll deffo read it someday - and honestly, i can probably count on one hand the number of sportswriters i consider better than him (nb. this is more an indictment of sportswriting than an endorsement of simmons)
― NEW YORK DESERVED 9-11 (cankles), Friday, 13 November 2009 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link
I ended up really liking this, and the race stuff I mentioned upthread got put into context almost immediately after I posted that, and it made way more sense by the time I finished. Overall the time he spent writing about race + discrimination issues wound up being one of the most thoughtful parts of the book.
For some reason I thought the pyramid would turn out to be a total Ronald Thomas Clontle routine, but Simmons spends a lot of time trying to articulate a bigger point: that basketball fans have short memories, sure, but also that a lot of the measures of greatness in this sport rely more on subjective analysis and intangibles - since not only is the sport constantly evolving and changing its own rules in a way that, say, baseball isn't, but that the markers of greatness often manifest themselves in things that aren't obvious if you only rely on box scores and highlights to analyze performance. (Cf. "The Secret," etc, but the stuff about the ABA's struggle to get TV coverage and its subsequent effect on how ABA players were perceived relative to their NBA peers is really fascinating.)
I realize that all sounds kinda corny, but Simmons is very good at writing this kind of sports pop science, and while this book definitely didn't need to be 700+ pages, it's surprising how much of what he threw out there sticks.
― Conservative HOT Mom! (govern yourself accordingly), Saturday, 14 November 2009 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Also it made me wish somebody with his exact level of access/obsession would write a similar book about NCAA basketball.
― Conservative HOT Mom! (govern yourself accordingly), Saturday, 14 November 2009 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link
wishing Michael Lewis would write a book about basketball
― 囧 (dyao), Monday, 16 November 2009 09:01 (fourteen years ago) link
His Battier piece was pretty good but I don't know if he could sustain an entire book without just rewriting Moneyball.
― windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Monday, 16 November 2009 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
love the book, but ranking paul pierce and parish that high is some pretty serious homerism. and in the whole list of 96 there's no room for any of the '04 pistons? there's room for big shot rob but no finals mvp chauncey billups? they were only the best/most consisten team in the east this decade.
― Danny Duberstein (hmmmm), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 09:43 (fourteen years ago) link
the human beans story otoh makes me pretty happy
I am absolutely LOVING this book, and I'm not even much of a basketball fan! Simmons makes me laugh.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 02:34 (fourteen years ago) link
It was hit or miss with me, until he started describing the hall of fame inductees. I stayed up WAY past my bed time last night reading it. Really good.
― Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Simmons was banned from twitter for two weeks by ESPN because he talked shit about some Boston radio station.
― windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Friday, 20 November 2009 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link
lol know what i might say to espn had i the #1 bestseller
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 21 November 2009 05:53 (fourteen years ago) link
First ESPN totally assrapes Simmons by not letting Obama onto his podcast, and now this. Assholes.
― CLEVELAND DOES NOT DESERVE MANGINI (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 23 November 2009 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link
I read this whole thing. I love how he rates The Answer.
― Mordy, Monday, 23 November 2009 01:57 (fourteen years ago) link
i read this over thanksgiving break. i don't know anything about basketball so i can't dispute his knowledge there. he's an entertaining writer and occasionally very funny (his section on great basketball players who made shitty announcers/commentators made me LOL). this may be an obvious thing to say about a 700-pg book but he needs better editing, it got really repetitive by the end (making the same points and jokes over and over) and was just too long in general. also a lot of his pop culture references are so dumb and/or wrong. i enjoyed the book though.
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 30 November 2009 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
^^kinda sums up how i feel about his writing, in general. i am not a sports guy (lol) and rarely ever know who he's talking about or why it ought to be funny, but sometimes a lot of his jokes work without that, which i think is a credit. or i'm just easy, and the kind of person who laughs if someone gets the delivery and misses the punchline
― crazy farting throwback jersey (gbx), Monday, 30 November 2009 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link
oddly his pop culture analogy that made me the most mad was comparing the development of basketball to the development of comedy, saying if you listen to woody allen and bob newhart routines they won't make you LOL because comedy wasn't as advanced as in the '80s. i was like "nah brah" but then again i am weird and old-fashioned about comedy i guess, i love old woody allen and newhart stuff :/
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 30 November 2009 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link
if there is def one thing bill simmons is consistently wrong about, it's other people's comedy. in that, i think a lot of the comedic pop cultural stuff he mentions off-hand in his columns is sort of milquetoast or outright bad, though he himself can make a good joke
then again, i couldn't possibly think of a specific example of this, so i might be making it up.
― crazy farting throwback jersey (gbx), Monday, 30 November 2009 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
i just picture him laughing his ass off at some current standup while i look disgusted
he probably rates dane cook as G.O.A.T.
― 囧 (dyao), Monday, 30 November 2009 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
nah I wouldn't go that far. i'd put my money on will ferrell. def agree with gbx on this tho.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Monday, 30 November 2009 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i think even he knows that dane cook blows. or even just that everyone THINKS he blows (ie - some of his readers). but i am sure that he will at some point in his career right some will ferrell GOAT hagiography
― crazy farting throwback jersey (gbx), Monday, 30 November 2009 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link
assuming he hasn't already
i think he creates cognitive dissonance within some people, such as in the writer of the "u mad" article linked to above. "this dude makes me laugh, i wouldn't mind hanging out with him and shooting the shit...but wait, he's all about bro'ing down with his crew--all of whom go by nicknames--in Vegas. I need to go overboard criticizing his negative aspects so I can totally dismiss dude."
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Monday, 30 November 2009 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link
If I were one of his buddies, I would DEMAND that he refer to me by a nickname. He makes way too many references to activities that, while I certainly don't condemn him for engaging in, employers would probably have a problem with.
I have to say that his statistical arguments mesh pretty well with his "You have to get it to get it" over-arching theme. If anything, this book serves as a compendium of references for other places to go look for basketball knowledge. It also has motivated me to pay more attention to sporting events for those special moments. I may not be as encyclopedic as he is with what games I've seen and who played in them, but I want to get to the point where I can have more specific and detailed recall of key plays. An anecdote that goes "Yeah, remember when that one guy did that thing with Barkley? The no-look pass from...shit, was it the right or left side of the lane..." does little to spark more conversation/reminiscing.
― Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Monday, 30 November 2009 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
the membership of this book club is kinda http://nymag.com/arts/books/bookclub/book-of-basketball
― ice cr?m, Friday, 11 December 2009 05:40 (fourteen years ago) link
http://i46.tinypic.com/28lywxj.jpg
ha yes i felt exactly this was abt fortress of solitude
― ice cr?m, Friday, 11 December 2009 06:14 (fourteen years ago) link
lethem's response is baffling and over-written. is there a joke i'm not getting?
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link
love how everyones all i read this 700 page book in 30 hours and i feel kinda icky now, yes hello welcome to the sports guy
― ice cr?m, Friday, 11 December 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
The NY Mag thing made me feel bad that I have been reading Simmons all decade and basically don't even pay attention to the sexist stuff anymore. Although I do not know if a chauvinist (or feminist) perspective would really influence one's thoughts on the NBA at all.
Between this book (esp. the epilogue) and whichever blog collected the finest Bill Walton goofy hyperboles a few months back, though, Walton is now like my favorite dude ever. Like, just kicking it with Big Red in his tepee watching a terrible NBA game and asking him questions about John Wooden would basically make my entire life complete.
― C-L, Friday, 11 December 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
one time saw him on tv riding bikes w/jerry X)
― ice cr?m, Friday, 11 December 2009 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
his bike was LOL HUEG
saw him on haight st asking darius miles if he knew who jimi hendrix was
― ice cr?m, Friday, 11 December 2009 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
he did not
A+++++ So jealous
― C-L, Friday, 11 December 2009 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link
lol it was on tv
― ice cr?m, Friday, 11 December 2009 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I am stupid
― C-L, Friday, 11 December 2009 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link
it was still pretty good tho
― ice cr?m, Friday, 11 December 2009 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
SIMMONS
It reminds me of the time those three guys came up to you in a restaurant in Chicago and told you that they were reading "The Tipping Point" in their book club and were big fans.
GLADWELL
How could I forget?
Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes.
Greatest moment of my life.
― max, Saturday, 19 December 2009 11:51 (fourteen years ago) link
lol
Tiger's comeback tougher than Ali's
Note to ESPN’s Bill Simmons: Tiger Woods is not Muhammad Ali
― ╬╬╬╬╬ (am0n), Thursday, 4 March 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
lol @
There was a famous story about two of the Dream Team IIers--definitely Shaq and someone else, I can't remember the second guy--pulling the players together before a key Olympic game and Dumars thinking, "Great, they're finally going to take this seriously." Then the two guys started singing a rap song they had written for the game.
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
That Bill Simmons Woods/Ali column is unbelievably moronic even for Bill Simmons.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
lol tweeting about freddie gibbs today
called him the savior of gangsta rap
i should send him some gucci
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i got pretty grossed out by some of the joeks by the end of this book frankly. a sprinkling of the frattier stuff goes a long way, the occasional vegas column is fine but it kind of wore me down
the footnote about the all-dong team was just massively hilarious tho
― enjoy your day (agent hibachi), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the strip club/boob size analogies are pretty awful
― symsymsym, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 05:16 (thirteen years ago) link
How has Simmons not become the Godfather of bros icing bros?
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
too old
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Thus the Godfather. Like Neil Young and grunge.
I really enjoyed the book despite the length and Simmons' crutches that prop up huge sections of it. Though the end made me realize I want "Bill & Bill" as the followup. Walton's insights made Simmons a better writer; it freed him from his persona.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
this is a really bad paragraph
Digging deeper: 2012 will be the first time since 1992 that we had this many mega-stars in their primes or near-primes -- LeBron, Wade, Howard, Durant, Paul, Williams, Carmelo Anthony -- all of whom will also be battling for NBA titles in 2011 and 2012 (throw Kobe in there as well). Can they shut off that competitive switch and come together on short notice? What if Durant fully supplants LeBron and Kobe as America's basketball darling by that time? What if Miami just battled Oklahoma City in a NBA Finals bloodbath? In 1992, the pecking order was pretty established: Jordan and Pippen were the champs/alpha dogs, Bird and Magic were the washed-up leaders, Barkley was the unstoppable wild card, and everyone else fell into place behind them. There will be no established pecking order in 2012. If anything, there might be multiple stars who believe in a pecking order that's different from what the other stars believe. Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting. Hold this thought for 22 months.
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
jordan, did you transcribe that
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah considering the calling card of this generation of talent is that they all get along and they're all unselfish i don't think this is really anything worth thinking about for the next 22 mos.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
is bill simmons to the nba what pitchfork reviews reviews is to pitchfork
― max, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
nah that doesn't really work as an analogy tho i'm not sure why right now
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
bill is still soooo stuck in this idea of "alpha dogs" & all that crap and you would think that after this summer he would've dropped that idea, but yet here it is again -- i think all of these guys have proven that they like each other a lot and want to win when they play each other -- i mean dwayne wade came off the bench in the last olympics ffs, i don't think any of those dudes are gonna be back stabbing each other in 2012 -- i think this has been demonstrated at various, various times in the past 2-3 years -- bill has spent a lot of time lamenting this fact, but he still can't get it through his head
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Monday, September 13, 2010 8:50 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
no he posted a column today
gonna think abt all this for the next 22 months, brb
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
enjoy nepal
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
this is good tho
One of the frustrating things about this tournament: Iguodala has been a revelation as a fourth banana/swing defender/energy guy/uber-athlete, which really should have been his NBA destiny -- mega-glue guy on a great team, like a much more devastating version of Trevor Ariza on the 2008-09 Lakers -- only we don't have nearly enough quality players to fill 30 NBA teams, so instead he's forced to carry a lottery team, take terrible shots, play with inferior teammates and do everything that the Basketball Gods never meant for him to do. He's like Roger Sterling in "Mad Men" -- you don't want him carrying the show, but in short doses, harnessed correctly, he can be a weapon. I had given up on Iguodala as a meaningful basketball player; now I think he'll be reincarnated on a contender within the next two seasons. He's one trade away.
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, September 13, 2010 9:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
loll
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
bill simmons isn't really pitchfork reviews reviews he's just pitchfork
― subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know who's taking the crunch-time shots on the 2010-11 Miami Heat
this discussion makes me want to steal a car and drive it into a lake
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
looool
― subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
in miami heats, there is no crunch time, only time 4 crunching opponents with superior basketball talent
― oneohtosh point never (m bison), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I think I'm gonna appropriate that as my disapproval card in all irl conversations from nwo on
2:35: As Billups hits two free throws (USA by 10), the announcers discuss how physical the game has been compared to NBA games. "You got the feeling that both teams were trying to work one another before the game," Kestecher said. "There was a lot of staring, no smiling, trying to intimidate each other." Not sure how this fits into our new world order in which NBA superstars take the easy way out and choose to team up over beating each other. I'm a little discombobulated.
here i will explain it to you -- lots of players in the nba are friends and when they play basketball they don't hate each other and stare at each other in a fabricated attempt to intimidate -- but when they're playing on the same team in an international competition against an unlikable team from eastern europe, they might grill some dudes
not that discombobulating
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"He's accepted his role as a garbageman on that second unit," Fraschilla says of Gay. Pretty expensive garbageman: He just re-signed with Memphis for $80 million. I love the world championships.
otm tho
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
btw they're going to lose a playoff game and this will be a valid discussion
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
but he is way too into it as a concept
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yes he is
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
the problem with the "crunch-time shots" discussion is that in modern nba all that means is "who is gonna take the crunch-time drives to the basket in an attempt to get fouled" and with bron AND wade on the same team, i don't think it's gonna manifest itself in a negative way
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
think you're oversimplifying it a bit; the cavs lost that series to the magic two years ago because 4 dudes stood around and waited for bron to do something. it will be an interesting discussion, at some point--i don't think it's gonna manifest itself as a conflict or problem but maybe more as a strategic challenge.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
but basically, does the play start with bron having the ball or wade having the ball--that is going to matter, and it is going to mean something
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
lwade is gonna take the crunch time shots ok, next question
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
hehe
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
wade's a little bit crunchtime, bron's a lil bit pick n roll
― oneohtosh point never (m bison), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― NEW YORK DESERVED 9-11 (cankles), Friday, November 13, 2009 6:39 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark
btw i read this book and it sucked and he sucks
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 13 December 2010 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
simmons note: do i rc that he was a comedy writer? how is this possible? i have never laughed at a single thing he's ever written.
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Monday, 13 December 2010 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
simmons gets way too much mileage out of the "this situation is like some obscure pop culture reference, let me break it down for you with x's and o's"
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
thing is it's never that obscure, it's like 80s/90s bargain bin bullshit, but yeah he does do that thing u just said
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Monday, 13 December 2010 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
he wrote for kimmel's late night show when it was starting out, after he was already espn famous. why he moved to l.a. iirc.
― circles, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i have not read simmons in probably a year but have always felt that if the world needed one person like bill simmons we could do a lot worse than bill simmons, if you feel me
― k3vin k., Monday, 13 December 2010 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i always felt his clowning of doc rivers for using ubuntu was a little o_O and i'm kinda hoping during one of his vegas jaunts he gets lost and walks right into a wnba team.
― omar little, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
haha
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link
still think there's a lot of good stuff in tbob--the pyramid, especially, is really fun to read
― call all destroyer, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
it's also kind of pissing me off that he's moving into broadcasting. he blows chunks on PTI and I heard he was gonna broadcast some game? I mean granted, reggie miller sets the bar pretty low but I don't need a dude with the voice of some pimply faced fratboy feebly trying to channel excitement after a great dunk
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i always felt his clowning of doc rivers for using ubuntu was a little o_O
― omar little, Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
eh feel like his arguments in favor of debian were pretty strong tbh
― ice cr?m, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought he was pretty decent doing the heat-warriors game -- i mean he made a lot of the same points/jokes from his column, but he was as good as anyone on that network outside of jvg
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
wow that surprises me
― call all destroyer, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:16 (thirteen years ago) link
content is not the only thing that counts in the booth - you gotta have a vocalic presence, bill simmons has about as much vocalic presence as the boom goes the dynamite kid
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i was amazed by how bad he was on PTI... kornheiser was so much more natural and likable
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not a podcast it's a nationally televised nba game ffs
like dayo says, the bar is set low -- if i had no idea who simmons was & i just flipped on the game i would've thought he was just another announcer, albeit one that was a bit more zingy to the bad players
esp for his second game ever (he did some college game a few years ago) i thought he was totally serviceable, sometimes even funny
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway, on tbob - its solid, its just wayyyyyyy too long. i went into it liking his schtick and finished it not being able to stand him. too much simmons, too much pyramid, too much everything. im warming up to him again but his style's really unsuited to something that big.
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah idk i guess i'm just used to his voice? idk
i don't really give a shit about your voice as much as i do about what you say
― call all destroyer, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think i actually finished tbob--it should've ended with the pyramid--but it lends itself well to going back into certain sections and re-reading them
― call all destroyer, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i could see that book being like youre plowing through it cause its readable then like 2/3 through you realize you hate this guy and why am i reading this
― ice cr?m, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
if im gonna listen to a nigga for 3 hours i better like your voice... thats why jon miller owns and bryant gumbel doesnt
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:22 PM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark
haha that was my exact experience
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I think broadcasting voices are pretty important - just try to imagine if bill simmons was in the booth when bobby thomson hit that homer
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
well great calls are great but this was a west coast time reg season nba game--no one's saying he should call the super bowl
― call all destroyer, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:22 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark
well, i agree with this, but i think it matters A LOT less for color guys than it does for play by play -- simmons might get a bit obnoxious if he was doing two games a week, but it was a nice change up at times to have a dude making cracks about dampier not being able to make lay ups & shit
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link
okay everyone stop comparing play by play guys to color guys
cut him off at the roots tbh
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link
that's one of my problems with him, his way of life seems completely foreign to my experience in life, like his actual adherence to played out LOL WOMEN kinda shit, he's the sort of dude that if i met i'd move away from. i get the same feeling reading his column that PTT had reading his book.
― omar little, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean if your benchmark is one of the most famous moments in sports history...
― call all destroyer, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
voice is meaningful for sure but i feel like the canned deep announcer style is some v strange shit that were all just used to
― ice cr?m, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i didnt actually hear the game btw, but i will say that i'd rather listen to a billion simmons-called games than one more by reggie miller or mark jackson
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just saying nobody should encourage him to spend more time in the broadcast booth, is all
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 04:27 (thirteen years ago) link
should replace all espn announcers with mexican soccer announcers anyway
what is this about
sportsguy33 Bill SimmonsHey CPP: took you out of TBOB cuz you trashed it without ever mentioning that you used to email me all the time until I told you to eff off.
sportsguy33 Bill SimmonsI just thought it was dishonest. You came off like a spurned lover in that piece. But seriously, good luck with your red-hot career.
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
who is cpp?
― omar little, Monday, 13 December 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Charles Pierce
― macaroni rascal (polyphonic), Monday, 13 December 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5712872/
ah
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
the deej n whiney of b-ball
― vladimir pootawn (am0n), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
― symsymsym, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
wow does he come off like a whiny bitch there. i mean if you release a book for everyone to read i think people have the right to critique it.
I do enjoy reading Simmons, but he really is coming off more and more like a douche lately; plus he's clearly nowhere near as funny as he used to be. I think he goes above and beyond to try to be "quotable", which results in a lot of stupidity
― frogbs, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://a.espncdn.com/media/pdf/101210/simmons_book.pdf
― I Am Kurious Assange (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
wow thats pretty bitchy to edit a guy out, feel liek he should prob release the emails in question at this point so we can all have closure
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
lol is that an unprotected copy of the book up on the espn content delivery network
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
That PDF isn't working for me anymore for some reason.
― I Am Kurious Assange (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
he also, uh, edited out a mention of free darko for some reason
http://freedarko.blogspot.com/2010/12/highlights-for-children.html
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, December 13, 2010 3:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is so lol! no one seems to grasp that the only people simmons hates are other journalists.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
he reads blogs but he wishes he lived in a world where they didnt exist, even tho he is basically the proto sports blogger, its tuff
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
He was fine with them existing when he published the first edition though. What did FD do since then?
― I Am Kurious Assange (polyphonic), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
apparently they didn't like the book
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://img.freebase.com/api/trans/image_thumb/en/larry_bird?pad=1&errorid=%2Ffreebase%2Fno_image_png&maxheight=64&mode=fillcropmid&maxwidth=64 "fuck you, bill"
― vladimir pootawn (am0n), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Who is the most embarrassing of Bill Simmons' sycophantic friends (non-celebrity division): Joe House, Cousin Sal, "reality TV czar" Dave Jacoby, or JackO?
― I Am Kurious Assange (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
u mean theyre not all the same person?
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
joe house, easily
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlla/files/2010/12/BillSimmons.jpg
― omar little, Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the celebrity division isn't even a contest because of klosterman, right?
― Clay, Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
yup!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0904/pg2_group_300.jpghttp://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0904/pg2_group2_300.jpg
― omar little, Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
plaid shorts: checkflip flops: checknot pictured: strip club handjobs
― omar little, Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
not pictured: strip club handjobs
and thank fuck for that
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― Clay, Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
gladwell
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 16 December 2010 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link
^^ I was gonna say
I always thought it was funny that Simmons friends all have the most typical/predictable names. Not the ppl listed by poly but just random "buddies" he'll bring up in a column
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 December 2010 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/17/the-book-of-basketball-and-staggering-casual-sexism/
― mookieproof, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
lol this is what i was talking about upthread re the names of simmons' friends
I flew to San Fran to hang out with my buddies Bish, Mikey and Hopper
seriously who the fuck has friends ACTUALLY named "bish" & "hopper" -- sounds like something from "porky's" or some shit
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Jeez, man. Jeez. I didn’t realize guys like this had friends; I assumed they were all rapey basement loners. We reviewers and commenters seem to be in agreement that it’s not cool—so who’s out there egging him on? Am I misjudging the sleaziness of the American male?
yes
― Pussy v. Sperguson (Princess TamTam), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i was gonna say. as gross as simmons' stuff can be, i have heard much, much worse from dudes who would otherwise consider themselves to be "normal guys" and "not misogynists." these aren't people i spend time with, i should add, but there are TONS of guys who partition their lives along gender lines. guys are for being friends with, women are for fucking (or for ~relationships~ if you're a pussy). gross thought it may be, it's not rapey basement loner talk, it's five dudes getting a pitcher at the bar talk
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
those passages are foul, tbqf, shit like that is exactly what makes me avoid reading his columns now. i'm gonna guess he was raised in a manner that caused him to view women as either childbearers or strippers.
― omar little, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, his column today is rife w/ all types of shit like that
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Question: So my buddies and I came up with a new move we call "The Art Modell." It's where you meet a girl and go home with her that night. Then after she's fallen asleep, and under the cover of night, you move out of there as fast as you can. Use it with my compliments, OK?-- Brian, Chicago
Answer: Or, you could pull the "Clay Bennett": Repeatedly tell her you're not going to leave, then leave while she's still awake and looking at you saying, "Where are you going?" as David Stern nods approvingly from 1,500 miles away.
i hope his wife leaves him for sheryl swoopes
― omar little, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh
xps
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
bish is such a nasty name
― ice cr?m, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i also found his life advice to tiger woods pretty dbaggy though i don't recall the specifics at the moment.
― omar little, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
the wnba digs always niggled at me the most, it just seems unnecessarily cruel. i mean i dont watch the stuff either, but i dont understand the hunger to marginalize it - crosses the line between lunkheaded insensitivity and outright bullying imo
everything else i can understand being turned off by too, but i hear (and say) stuff so much worse when im broing down (not in mixed company mind u~) that im pretty desensitized to it i guess
― Pussy v. Sperguson (Princess TamTam), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's not so much the digs as the all encompassing worldview he seems to have, like this casual everyday attitude that women can't be your friends and are just *~~such hilarious creatures loool~~*
― omar little, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw, i've definitely hung out with women who share an equally segregated view of the world---guys can't be your friends, and are such hilarious creatures, and ryde but boys will be boys, right girls??
it's alien to me, but it's out there you know
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess it's all part of being the broiest bro, but i don't really see why you would write about watching hours of porn/buddies' nicknames for dick moves etc. at all. let alone as a sports columnist. let alone in a published book about basketball.
the 'executive decision' with his wife (and then crowing about it!) is pretty fucking astonishing.
― mookieproof, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont understand how he made an "executive decision" not to use birth control
― max, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean he implies he did it in secret?
but like... did she not notice he wasnt using a condom?
also isnt that essentially rape
― max, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
right, it's a bullshit anecdote imo
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
true dat, and even though i tend to think it *feels* a little nastier coming from the dudes, either way it's just weird but still totally common. xxxxp
― omar little, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty much
― mookieproof, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm assuming that the birth control thing is just a really terrible joke
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
he just wanted to "coin" "pulling the goalie"
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
horribly formed joeks
― mookieproof, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
it's kind of a fucked up mind that would think that joke is a good one to tell imo
― omar little, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
it's all part of being the broiest bro
yup. he and his buds are getting immortalized in his columns as just the funniest, rowdiest, best buds ever. i mean, "the hangover" was basically a simmons column taken to its logical conclusions, with simmons' character spending the night on the roof
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
h8 this guys compulsive need to validate his worldview more than his worldview tbh, funny how bro culture is all abt being on the same page at all times, not exactly traditional masculinity
― ice cr?m, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the 'segregated world view' is a red herring, idk - i dont think it means anything if u only wanna be friends w/dudes, i know plenty of people like that who manage to not publish a hardcover book containing a joke about raping your wife and then giving it a nickname like it's a wrestling move
― Pussy v. Sperguson (Princess TamTam), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
his columns have always been littered with his pet neologisms and Rules and Theories and w/e. i know plenty of ppl that fucking LOVE coming up with shit like that, making up yr own in-crowd funny-guy cant that, in simmons' case, he seems to eagerly hope will enter the popular lexicon.
i mean i don't follow sports, and haven't read a sports guy column in years, but the Ewing Theory is permanently etched into my brain as 'conventional wisdom' now
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
funny how bro culture is all abt being on the same page at all times, not exactly traditional masculinity― ice cr?m, Friday, December 17, 2010 1:11 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
― ice cr?m, Friday, December 17, 2010 1:11 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
word
and it's not just about only wanting to be friends with dudes, its that being friends with women is impossible and sort of unthinkable. that blog that was just linked made an excellent point, that i think is totally fundamental to how he operates: he just assumes that women could never in a million years be a part of his sports-y world. like women can be sports fans, but they can't be Sports Fans. his wife being the Sports Gal is just an honorific---she's married to the Sports Guy! who else could she be!
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
funny how bro culture is all abt being on the same page at all times, not exactly traditional masculinity
― ice cr?m, Friday, December 17, 2010 2:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is kinda bullshit, i mean its 'bro' culture not rugged individualist culture - its about celebrating bonds w/likeminded dudes, there's no deception there
― Pussy v. Sperguson (Princess TamTam), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean i've got friends w/segregated world views and they're not particularly mean about it. iirc some of them have even been to wnba games so w/e
― omar little, Friday, 17 December 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
xp well it's not that bullshit, in that these guys seem to couch their conceptions of masculinity almost entirely in broing down. if yr just going off simmons' worldview, 'rugged individualism' is something for the greats in the Pantheon, not regular men.
― kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
― Pussy v. Sperguson (Princess TamTam), Friday, December 17, 2010 2:19 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permal
i wasnt saying hes trying to represent something other than bro culture just that i dont vibe it
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 18 December 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
btw i love the term 'bro culture'
ugggh that executive decision anecdote
― dayo, Saturday, 18 December 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
loooool is simmons really against the idea of playing fantasy sports with a female
also lol at bill simmons employing "some of my best friends are black" argument
Sometimes I like just hanging out with my guy friends. My wife likes hanging out with her friends.
― dayo, Saturday, 18 December 2010 11:20 (thirteen years ago) link
it was too bad, feel like I could have been tricked into reading this book, no longer
he really should carve out the pyramid and sell an aggressively edited 100 pg novella size version of it every other year after the finals- like how sedaris sells those same three stories as holidays on ice every effing xmas-- would read and would cut out nearly all the unnecessary "cool story bro" trash
― i see you're still wearing bs on tv (agent hibachi), Monday, 20 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
should build a pyramid, blog from inside
― ice cr?m, Monday, 20 December 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"i also found his life advice to tiger woods pretty dbaggy though i don't recall the specifics at the moment."
I mostly recall his insane bit comparing Woods comeback to Ali's comeback.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 December 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
his understanding of gender and women and possibly life rises to the level of a bud light ad
― omar little, Monday, 20 December 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
replicate? bud light?
HERE WE GO!
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Monday, 20 December 2010 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
sportsguy33 Bill SimmonsCome on, UConn women! One half to go! #espnforcedmetotypethistheyareholdingaguntomyheadrightnowhelppleasesendhelp1 minute ago
― I Am Kurious Assange (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
he has a daughter, right?
― max, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
good luck 2 her
is that your comedy hash tag or did he really write that - if the latter that's pretty O_o
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
no he really wrote that
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
man, are there any non-shitty sportswriters at all? like who write intersting and are not douche bags?
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i like brian philips but i'm guessing you mean someone from the MSM
― just woke up (lukas), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
joe posnanski
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll take any1 at this point
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
roger angell is still alive
― just woke up (lukas), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link
bob ryan seems like a decent guy from what I've heard of him on PTI, never read his stuff tho
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link
In May 2003, Ryan appeared on Sports Final, a local sports talk show airing on WBZ-TV. At that time, Ryan said that Joumana Kidd, then-wife of then-New Jersey Nets guard Jason Kidd needed someone to "smack" her for taking her son T.J., then 4 years old, to NBA play-off night games where they could be taunted.[22] He accused Joumana of being an exhibitionist and using the child as a prop to get television time.
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
was gonna say, old ass writer gonna have some baggage
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
O_o thought he was a dece liberal new england dude
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
well he is but he said something dumb on tv, whatcha gonna do
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i will h8 him 4 eternity, dont know bout u
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno, I see the UConn thing as more along the lines of a story that ESPN has overhyped beyond its own importance (i.e. his previous "I wish ESPN.com users could block any beaten into the ground stories. I'd block "Sterger," "concussions," "lockout" + "cell phone dongs.", or "FYI: NOBODY cares how Minny's roof collapse affects Favre's streak. We care about fantasy/gambling/playoffs + if game will be shown on TV.").
I have been reading Simmons for so long that his schticky stuff rolls right off me now, though, so maybe I don't even notice the more "women be shoppin'/bad at sports" stuff anymore. The only time I really got annoyed was after the 2007 Patriots-Colts game when he wrote some insane diatribe about how the officiating was so clearly biased and that the world was out to get the Patriots. I guess I like him when he is calling out non-story stories, and dislike him when he is making his own non-story stories.
― C-L, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
guarantee w/zero doubt that if it was a men's team and the hype was high, simmons would either be breaking down whatever team it was with references to the nicolas colasanto seasons of 'cheers' or saying nothing negative at all.
― omar little, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh no doubt, but I honestly think if a modern men's team was about to win 89 straight, it would really be a MUCH bigger achievement. Women's basketball is super top-heavy (right now #11 Kentucky is beating Arkansas-Pine Bluff 85-21, and #7 West Virginia already beat UNC-Charlotte 71-39), and three straight undefeated seasons while presumably multiple players would be bailing to the NBA every year would be a coaching miracle. UConn's streak really is just having much better players than almost everyone they play.
― C-L, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but it's fucking 89 games
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
its like saying, well wilt scoring 100 pts and averaging like 20 re wasnt as big a deal because competition back then was shit but then you have to think...fuck thats 100 goddamn points, how is there even time for that
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah for real, and let's not pretend simmons' inevitable clowning of this achievement comes from his rather shall we say interesting views on women.
― omar little, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
comes from anything other than
ok yeah but game to game the streak is a complete bore. 2 of those games have been decided by < 10 points. 2!!!!
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^not a simmons defense, but the espn coverage is ridic
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
It's probably gonna be like 100-150 or something by the end of it. Except for the 1 point win over Baylor they've beaten everybody by like 20 at least. (They also apparently beat Simmons's alma mater by 80!). I know nothing about WCBB, but aside from a few games away at ranked opponents (Stanford and West Virginia and some other Big East schools) they're probably clear until the tournament.
― C-L, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I think if Women's basketball had more exciting games he could gamble on, he'd shut up, also.
The solution is clearly to have Gus Johnson announce more Women's College Basketball games.
― C-L, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
there are probably plenty of exciting wnba and wcbb games, he's just...well, the evidence speaks for itself imo.
― omar little, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
women's basketball is great to watch, it's a lot more 'fundamental' and there's a lot less showboating. teams get by on teamwork
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
when did you turn 60?
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll watch a quality women's bball game over the fuckin bobcats vs. the nets any day
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
ok sure, you are saying "i would rather watch a good game than a bad game"
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
which is why i have no interest in watching uconn blow out yet another hapless opponent
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but also saying that just cause it's women's bball doesn't mean it's by default a bad game
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
no of course it doesn't--but uconn demonstrates that the competitive imbalance in women's bball is pretty wacky imo
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean full disclosure i think most men's college ball is pretty bad too; everyone just struggles so much to score
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but I dunno good hoops isn't just about scoring
I think the overall lesson we can all take away from this is never pay attention to sports journalism
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
womens basketball is horrible and in no way more fundamentally sound than mens, they really just dont play v well in comparison, clowning them a lil is reasonable, simmons vendetta is kinda strange tho
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
xp you can't possibly think that everyone in college is just playing fabulous team defense
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
nah but they bring way more hustle to the defense on every play than the pros
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
bleh
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I was gonna try to make a point about the generally superior athleticism of NBA basketball, but I am watching Dallas-Orlando and Hedo Turkoglu fell down awkwardly trying to dunk like five minutes ago. Dude ruins everything.
― C-L, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude got pushed in the back by Dirk. Not his fault. This time.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
hedo dunk fail was a total lol
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
On the subject of betting, I gotta think it's good fun to bet on women's basketball because there's so much less traffic. Probably easier to find bad lines.
― I Am Kurious Assange (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 06:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Everything feels like a cliché at this point: Friends overreacting in a crowded room every time CBS throws it to New York for a highlight; aging media guys awkwardly throwing out fantasy jokes to seem hip (so annoying, especially when the mainstream media treated fantasy with such contempt once upon a time); Hollywood typically botching the boom with FX's show about an eight-team league (seriously, do you know ANYONE in an eight-team league???); and, of course, more and more women playing fantasy football and, in some cases, integrating all-male leagues.
I hate the last trend for about 656 reasons, but mainly this one: If you asked any guy in 2000 what stereotypical things were unique to us -- things we had for ourselves, partly because we liked them and partly because guys just need to do things with other guys sometimes, and that's just the way it is -- they may have mentioned sports, fantasy, strip joints, Vegas, bad action movies, golf trips, urinals and/or long car trips in which one person keeps farting and bumming out everyone else in the car while laughing hysterically. That was the top-eight "Just F---ing Let Us Be Cavemen For Old Times' Sake" list in some order.
Well, this turned out to be the decade when we lost Vegas -- you're just as likely to see flocks of female friends moving in packs now, only they're drunker, louder and clumsier -- and lost exclusivity over the fantasy domain as well. Pretty soon, we're only going to have golf, farting and urinals. (Note: That easily could have been the title for Adam Carolla's upcoming book; he went with "In Fifty Years, We'll All Be Chicks" instead.) I just wish we had better delineation. If women want to play fantasy football, fine. Just start your own leagues. Give us that one day or night when we sit around a table for five hours, fart, burp, drink, eat gross food, bust balls and say inappropriate things. Let us give our teams names like "Premature Pitinos" without wondering if we might offend you. Give us four months of e-mail chains in which we rip on each other -- and occasionally flip out and get pissed off -- without worrying about offending the opposite sex. I swear, we don't ask for much. And don't turn it into a freaking discrimination thing. This isn't discrimination. Not letting you play at Augusta -- that's discrimination. Nobody said you couldn't start your own league. Knock yourselves out. But let us breathe. Let us bond. Let us have our all-male leagues without giving us crap about it. For the love of God. Or else in 50 years we WILL all be chicks.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 24 December 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
lol sad dude
― ice cr?m, Friday, 24 December 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
― wiz kelefa sanneh claus (m bison), Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:15 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
ken davidoff's been writing his ass off lately
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMf0MTweXYc (Princess TamTam), Friday, 24 December 2010 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont even understand at ALL what hes talking about in that fantasy thing - is there some ruling body that's forcibly integrating male and female leagues???? its not like you need to be sanctioned to have a fantasy league!! and its not like you need to invite anybody who you dont want to be in it
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMf0MTweXYc (Princess TamTam), Friday, 24 December 2010 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Fantasy Title IX, iirc
― C-L, Friday, 24 December 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Let us bond. Let us have our all-male leagues without giving us crap about it. For the love of God. Or else in 50 years we WILL all be chicks.
someone clearly needs to beat the shit out of him. it'll be masculine, like hockey, he'll love it
― mookieproof, Friday, 24 December 2010 03:54 (thirteen years ago) link
its funny because all this needy bro bonding is pretty you know feminine
― ice cr?m, Friday, 24 December 2010 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link
"we don't ask for much."
― lenonsense (Clay), Friday, 24 December 2010 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link
it also seems like bill simmons knows a bunch of lame women
― J0rdan S., Friday, 24 December 2010 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
and while we're on the subject of misogyny and fantasy sports
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSfDPkIq1oY
― J0rdan S., Friday, 24 December 2010 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
it's just incredibly sad and pathetically in-character that the one thing that really steams this guy up is fucking women playing fantasy sports.
― lenonsense (Clay), Friday, 24 December 2010 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, in what way is this not a good thing, dude! Now your wife and her friends might get less eye-rolly when you want to talk about it incessantly! Win-win IMO.
― lenonsense (Clay), Friday, 24 December 2010 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I just hate this guy more and more every day.
― lenonsense (Clay), Friday, 24 December 2010 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
also, isn't a woman who shares your interests more attractive? no -- they're just for the other stuff, like bearing not-necessarily-wanted babies
― mookieproof, Friday, 24 December 2010 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah that's sorta what I was getting at but didn't phrase it correctly. Women aren't allowed to taint the purity of homosocial guy stuff or we will literally become women.
― lenonsense (Clay), Friday, 24 December 2010 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
because guys just need to do things with other guys sometimes
*pause*
― dayo, Friday, 24 December 2010 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Gregg Easterbrook?
― once more Jagger faps the hivemind (symsymsym), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
lol you trolling
― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yes i am : )
― once more Jagger faps the hivemind (symsymsym), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I imagine his frat boy fanbase might email him some reasons why they aren't - entirely - against hoards of drunk girls in las vegas
― iatee, Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
What I find to be offensive about his constantly recurring refrain is that he seems like he's going to DIE if he doesn't have dude time that is separate and apart from time with women, and women who don't respect that just don't know their place.
Single-sex outings are not just for dudes. And he's a douchebag for implying it. And yeah, if you want to have an all-male fantasy football league, have an all-male fantasy football league. Its just like if you want to go hang out with your buddies and not your wife/gf, go do it. Don't act like its something you are entitled to and/or must necessarily have in order to be a complete human being.
― Sauvignon Blanc Mange (B.L.A.M.), Monday, 27 December 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
well right. that it's something to be aggrieved about is what's so o_O about his whole ish. i am all for dude time for dudes to be dudes (ffs i am scheduling a second-annual boys only no girls allowed ski trip w/bros right now), but wouldn't pretend for a second that if/when some wives/girlfriends show up that they are anything but completely welcome.
honestly can't understand how his wife puts up with it, esp when he's airing out his insecurities in a column read by millions(?) of ppl
― kanellos (gbx), Monday, 27 December 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
This reminds me of the Leslie Mann and Paul Rudd relaysh in knocked up. "you wanna go to India? Go to India. Go to India." and when he's caught going to his fantasy baseball league and confesses that he leaves home to do shit by himself. And she's all I like spiderman. Like women wanna do shit by themselves sometimes too but they aren't so selfish (ime) to feel entitled and whine about it.
― infinity rebounding stats (m bison), Monday, 27 December 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Also lol @ simmons' basically advocating for separate but equal fantasy leagues. Need some espn v board of education shit right herre.
― infinity rebounding stats (m bison), Monday, 27 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
― kanellos (gbx), Monday, December 27, 2010 12:11 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the millions of dollars prob help
― ice cr?m, Monday, 27 December 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
and the fact that its clearly shtick
His wife's sidebar columns for ESPN confirmed for me that he is married to a woman who validates his worldview.
― I Am Kurious Assange (polyphonic), Monday, 27 December 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah. She's probably not too pissed when they get the royalty checks. Fair point.
― Sauvignon Blanc Mange (B.L.A.M.), Monday, 27 December 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like we are almost at the point of nick picking bill simmons where i come to his defense, ehhh
― ice cr?m, Monday, 27 December 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
His dad seems like a cool dude.
― I Am Kurious Assange (polyphonic), Monday, 27 December 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i know it's different people posting, but the difference between this thread and the adam carolla thread is sort of amazing to me.
― circles, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i would never set foot in an adam carolla thread
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
haha ditto
― kanellos (gbx), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
more like ball semens
― old man yells at cloud computing (am0n), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
carolla thread is for true g's only, u scrubs wouldnt be welcome anyway
― Princess TamTam, Thursday, 30 December 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
dont want to alarm u all but simmons has a column up comparing brady/manning to biggie/tupac
― ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
the comparison is basically pointless but the football content of the column is good
― call all destroyer, Friday, 7 January 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
lol whats up w/him making up fake nicknames for pats/colts games
― ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I really liked it, especially the Mo Cheeks coda at the end, and all of the stuff where Brady is unconcerned about where things match up on the mythical lists of greatness. Like the whole point of the article other than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are good at quarterbacking is that the amount of column inches and sports talk radio/TV hours spent engaged in the discussion are basically just unnecessary entertainments unrelated to the actual games and those involved. He spends all this time discussing EPIC RIVALRY and then Brady is like "Yeah Peyty's a good dude, I'm just tryna do me"
― C-L, Friday, 7 January 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
simmons comes this close to owning up to being a fabulist then backs off w/thats what its all abt vegas baby!
― ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
typical
whats a fabulist
― Princess TamTam, Friday, 7 January 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
like, the best list ever, obviously! Duh.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 7 January 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
http://grab.by/8fJO
check out this sweet chrome plugin i have
― ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
nice to see he hasn't lost his touch for absurd statistical prediction allowing manning to smash every cumulative record including favre's game streak
cf. his utterly ridiculous prediction of durant's stats from before last year where his reasoning was basically "he improved every stat 30%, that should continue indefinitely with no leveling off"
― i see you're still wearing bs on tv (agent hibachi), Friday, 7 January 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
u couldnt have just said 'liar'?
― Princess TamTam, Friday, 7 January 2011 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh at first i thought u were implying he was a homo
― Princess TamTam, Friday, 7 January 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I liked that article but homie needs an editor.
― I Am Kurious Assange (polyphonic), Friday, 7 January 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
lol tamtam
actually a good summary of most of his brady articles would be 'mancrush but no homo lol'
― i see you're still wearing bs on tv (agent hibachi), Saturday, 8 January 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5733157/police-called-to-bill-simmonss-home-for-burglary-only-to-find-mighty-mighty-bosstone-in-socks
― omar little, Friday, 14 January 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
sports guy bros down w/dickie barrett in l.a. *boston explodes*
― ice cr?m, Friday, 14 January 2011 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
inventor of ska breaks into sports writers house
― am0n, Friday, 14 January 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i still get really excited about the trade value column
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
its a great feature 4 sure
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lol "empty calories all-star team"
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 February 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
37. Serge IbakaThink how much better he's gotten just in the past 12 months … then think about the fact that he's only 21 … then remember that, by the time he turned 20, he had already survived a violent civil war in the Congo, been separated from his 18 siblings, survived on his own in Spain and Oklahoma City, learned his third and fourth languages and morphed into a playoff contender's key shot-blocker/rebounder despite the fact that he started playing organized basketball only five years ago. I'm not betting against Sergeballu LaMu Sayonga Loom Walahas Jonas Hugo Ibaka.
i like this argument
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
4. Derrick RoseI still have him as the MVP. If you disagree, go look at the standings, try to find me 10 games in which Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah played together, then watch Keith Bogans play for 10 minutes. Derrick Rose did more for that team through the first 50 games than anyone else did for their team; doesn't make him the best player, just the most valuable. At least so far. Of course, we can't sleep on this scenario, courtesy of Tim in Troy:
"I think we could have a Hakeem Olajuwon/David Robinson situation brewing with the 2011 MVP: What if Rose gets presented with the trophy in front of LeBron before a Bulls-Heat Round 2 playoff game? I picture a standard LeBron Eff You game (40, 10 and 10, five mean dunks, sits for the fourth quarter) making Hakeem's shakedown of The Admiral look like a birthday present."
Great call. Yet here's the difference between Rose and Robinson: Rose would get ticked off by the Eff You performance, try to match it … and then it would be on like Donkey Kong. Have I mentioned how excited I am for the 2011 playoffs? I've mentioned that, right? We're definitely getting Boston-Chicago, Boston-Miami or Chicago-Miami in Round 2. Round 2!!!! Any one of those three matchups will be old-school, '80s-style, no-handshaking bloodbaths. I can't wait for the refs to get overprotective and screw it up.
ok this enrages me for a number of reasons a. the mvp is not necessarily the best nba player inane self serving media fallacy b. the bulls are winning w/defense (1st in defensive efficiency, 17th in O) and rose is not a good defender c. if rose gets exposed in the playoffs its not going to be by someone who plays a dif position scoring a lot of points its gonna be by a team baiting him into taking bad shots making turnovers and exposing his defense d. the ever present kobe bryant memorial spectacularness premium, rose is not playing nearly as good as the same old real mvp candidate guys, but he looks really good doing it
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
rose is not playing nearly as good as the same old real mvp candidate guys, but he looks really good doing it
interesting point
i still think mvp = dirk, if not bron bron
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
bron is so much better than everyone, its boring, w/e i kind of feel like all the nba awards are so constantly unjustly distributed they should just do away w/them
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
true for every sport?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah prob i dont follow the other sports closely enough to make an accurate comparison tho
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
well it feels like there's far less inconsistency year-to-year for individual bball players than like baseball or football. once you hit your peak production, you can spend several years there as long as you put in the work.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
tru
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm too lazy to link to the article showing how Rose has developed into an above avg defender this year.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
damn man, he can develop into and above avg defender and you can't link to a gd article?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
they really should just rename it the Most Outstanding Player award. I don't think Rose has been that.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Bill Simmons’ new site will be entertaining, well-written, funny and provocative. Its development is driven by Bill’s vision to provide fans a place to spend time, read, and think. * The graphic style of the site, designed by renowned magazine designer Walter Bernard, will be simple and elegant, in order to set it apart from the daily rush of sports news. * The site will host Bill’s columns and podcasts, but unlike Page 2, it will not be based on the sports events of the day or the current sports calendar. * In addition to Bill’s works, the site will include columns and essays about sports and pop culture from leading journalists. * Bill is building a team of lesser-known, talented young writers and editors to capture new voices and commentary on sports and pop culture. * We anticipate some edgy topics and writing, but such content will remain the exception. * About 70 percent sports, 30 percent pop culture, with less video than other ESPN sites. * Bill sees the site functioning with limited fan interaction, including a selection of about 300 fans with exclusive access to comment on the site and interact with contributors.
* The graphic style of the site, designed by renowned magazine designer Walter Bernard, will be simple and elegant, in order to set it apart from the daily rush of sports news. * The site will host Bill’s columns and podcasts, but unlike Page 2, it will not be based on the sports events of the day or the current sports calendar. * In addition to Bill’s works, the site will include columns and essays about sports and pop culture from leading journalists. * Bill is building a team of lesser-known, talented young writers and editors to capture new voices and commentary on sports and pop culture. * We anticipate some edgy topics and writing, but such content will remain the exception. * About 70 percent sports, 30 percent pop culture, with less video than other ESPN sites. * Bill sees the site functioning with limited fan interaction, including a selection of about 300 fans with exclusive access to comment on the site and interact with contributors.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 18 February 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
'exclusive commenters' is kinda an interesting idea, its another tier of writers for people to get to know
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
* The site will host Bill’s columns and podcasts, but unlike Page 2, it will not be based on the sports events of the day or the current sports calendar.
this seems p unrealistic
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i assumed that was referring to the rest of the content more than bill's stuff.
and i'm v. glad the site will not be commenter free for all
― call all destroyer, Friday, 18 February 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
the two confirmed hires are klosterman and katie baker btw
― call all destroyer, Friday, 18 February 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
and this guy
williamfleitch Will Leitch Two great great hires in a week. RT @LaneBrown Exclusive! Today is my last day at Vulture. I'm joining Bill Simmons' new site56 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
huh--he is just some blogger i guess?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 18 February 2011 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
http://nymag.com/author/lane%20brown/
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
"deputy entertainment editor"--i guess he will be the main pop-culture person or something
― call all destroyer, Friday, 18 February 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
the pop culture part of this site is going to be painful as will the aspiration toward a literary sports writing ideal, predictions
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
klosterman's sports essays are usually p. good, really liked the football one in his new book, basically in favor of anything that lets him do some more sportswriting
not in favor of anything that lets simmons write more pop culture stuff, his dedication to survivor and road rules is mind-boggling
― i see you're still wearing bs on tv (agent hibachi), Friday, 18 February 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
another writer for his new site http://thisrecording.com/today/2011/3/4/in-which-we-sound-the-airhorn-for-mollys-very-last-this-reco.html
― ice cr?m, Friday, 4 March 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
interesting considering how strange he can be abt women in his writing that he hired a woman who is often overtly feminist in hers, good on him http://thisrecording.com/today/2011/2/22/in-which-we-teach-you-how-to-be-a-woman-in-any-boys-club.html
― ice cr?m, Friday, 4 March 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
let's hope they don't have to be in the same office, let alone the same fantasy football league
― mookieproof, Friday, 4 March 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, guessing she'll be in "culture" section, not simmons' man-cave
― pearsonic, Friday, 4 March 2011 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
the new site is called "grantland" and a couple of preview pieces has been posted via his twitter
― call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
named after Grantland Rice, "a legend in the sports journalism world"
Anyone read anything by Grantland Rice? I'm not familiar.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
no i had no idea who he was
― call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
a 6k word molly lambert piece published by espn.com = the definition of http://fourfour.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b8c369e2014e5f4860df970c-800wi
― J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
u don't like molly?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
anyway i'm excited for this -- i don't really care about a lot of the big names but chris ryan, bill barnwell, katie baker & tommy craggs (assuming he stays on) are all A++
― J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
xp her writing style, not really no
in doses
omg this katie baker piece is a monster too.
good thing i am stuck in this classroom.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that thing is long as hell
― J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link
I rate players on the Larry Bird scale. How close are they to Larry Bird. Magic Johnson was 97% Larry Bird, and Lebron is 93% Larry. Eric Dampier and Brendan Haywood are separated by about 73 MicroLarries, mostly because Haywood brings more presence.
The biggest question when determining how Larry someone is: does he have that "it"? Larry bird had "it." That presence that made the fans in the stand know that any minute, you could hit that big shot. I came up with this talking to my friend Dwayne at the Celtics versus Bulls in 1988. It was pretty cold February evening, and the Cs were down by 2 with 5 seconds left on the clock. If they didn't hit this shot, it would be a long, cold walk back to my car. Bird got the ball at the elbow on an inbounds, and I turned to Dwayne and said, "Bird's going to hit it. I can feel it." As the shot went in, I knew I was on to something.
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:03 (twelve years ago) link
Back then it was tough to get by as a sports journalist. Povitch, Kornheiser, and a few other dominated the columns. I would sell some columns to the Globe occasionally, but it was mostly local papers. None of them, of course, covered travel or tickets. I would suck dicks in times square at $5 a pop so I could buy a ticket to the Garden, which was what we called MSG at the time since TD hadn't been built yet, to cover the Cs at the Knicks. Tickets were $22.75, but I wasn't about to charge $2.75 for that fifth dick. Besides, I wanted a soda, usually Sprite. One time this guy hit me right between the eyes with his cum. It was amazing. "You've got Bird accuracy, man." I told him. He paused for a second before he zipped up. "Yeah, uh, sure," he said before he walked away. I was hoping he recognized me from my columns but then remembered none of them had printed my picture next to them yet. My big break would be five years and two Celtics championships away
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:07 (twelve years ago) link
I turned to my buddy Weasel and asked "Hey Weez, what do you think Paul Pierce's dick looks like?" He was like "Oh for sure it's gotta be wicked huge. Do you think Bill Russell had a bigger dick? Which one would you rather suck?" I told him that Russel probably had a bigger dick, but it would get uncomfortable with his hands on the back of your head since he had all those championship rings.
I got into the office and asked Cheryl, the intern, what she thought. Anyway, I've been suspended and my column will be back on ESPN.com at a date to be determined.
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:08 (twelve years ago) link
think abt "it"
― Clay, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:08 (twelve years ago) link
he said in his 'the wire'/playoffs column today that he or GMs (or whoever) never thought that z-bo would have a sense of 'the moment' like he did when he went off at the end of game 5 vs the spurs & it struck me as such a dumb thing to say -- z-bo taking over the end of a game when he's clearly been the best player in the series doesn't mean he had any sense greater than common sense
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:09 (twelve years ago) link
lol ade
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
Whenever you put together a circlejerk, you've got to follow my formula. Five megasplashers aren't going to get the job done, because they all bring the same thing to the table. It's like five Daniel-sans all trying to crane kick one Billy Zabka. That's too many cooks in the kitchen, which is something that's just going to spill, something I learned when cooking chicken wings with too many guys in Jimmy Kimmel's kitchen, and we lost a bunch on the floor to my dog Dooze.
Anyway, what you want is a real jizzmaker, someone like Peter North, who is the Larry Bird of cum. Then you want a quiet leader type, your Parrish/Bill Russell types, someone like Sean Michaels. Then want a playmaker, someone willing to do it all himself, your Ray Allen/Seymour Butts. Finally, you round it out with two character guys willing to cum off the bench, the kind of guys who'll do the face drip from above or maybe let out a YAAAAAHHH that gets the crowd going.
Without it, you're the Heat, and you're not going to win according to my formula, which I wrote here in 1999 and updated here in 2001, and here, here, here and here, after last year's finals. But this will always work.
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
haha it makes sense that youre a goon
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
at least that wire piece had the upside of being the last straw with me ever reading this guy again. been waiting on that one for a few years.
― Clay, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:12 (twelve years ago) link
the funny thing is that i found the durant/westbrook = avon/stringer analogy from months ago to be acceptable, but this was a bit much
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:19 (twelve years ago) link
wondering if z-bo or jamal crawford has had the bad guy gone good story this playoffs
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
jamal crawford's an extremely good guy! just not a Proven Winner or w/e
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:23 (twelve years ago) link
yeah def! he's been a fave of mine for years, z-bo too. and one day ya'll are gonna come around on j.r. smith too
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:24 (twelve years ago) link
so is this grantland thing gonna fail horribly or what, seems like classic overreach
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:42 (twelve years ago) link
The best thing Simmons can do is just let the folks he hired run the thing, because he did hire a lot of worthwhile people.
Still, "Grantland"?
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:56 (twelve years ago) link
I'm picturing a fansite devoted to brian grant, run by bill simmons
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
thatd be a site i could really get into
i like some of the writers but i dont think theyll necessarily have wide appeal particularly to the espn demo - the whole high minded long form anti news cycle concept is not exactly a proven page view generator - and simmons has p much lost his fastball and seems uninterested in writing, he at least used to be v readable now its just like v sludgy
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 07:09 (twelve years ago) link
poor brian grant has Parkinson's :(
― Clay, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 07:20 (twelve years ago) link
!!!! whaaaaa
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 07:23 (twelve years ago) link
damn guy is only like 40
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 07:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah he lives in Portland now and does some work with the team. There's a big Parkinson's dinner at the RG every year that he hosts (my gf worked it and served Michael J Fox last year!) but every time he speaks during halftime during a fundraiser or whatever it's super heartbreaking :(
― Clay, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 07:37 (twelve years ago) link
he at least used to be v readable now its just like v sludgy
yeah there are some people who could keep cranking out good columns while also doing hours of podcasts and managing a new website and having a family and whatever else, but he is not one of those people.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
kinda doubt family takes up much of his time tbh
― i see you're still wearing bs on tv (agent hibachi), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
ill probably drop in on this site just to see what a few of the writers (and klosterman- he's a great sports almost-troll) are doing but yeah...even the name seems off.
― i see you're still wearing bs on tv (agent hibachi), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
and agreed that wire/playoffs column was just so much overworked gimmick. like a four hour epic film based on a mad lib.
― i see you're still wearing bs on tv (agent hibachi), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
"Grantland" is such a stupid name.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
is he feuding with olbermann just because olbermann thought a jfk joke was offensive?
― dblake (symsymsym), Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
yep.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
christ olbermann
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
Not the first time they've been mad at each other.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 9 May 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/05/bill-simmons-and-grantland.html
Bill Simmons is to Grantland Rice what Tucker Max is to Hunter Thompson.
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
that was... very hardbody
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure that blog post was longer than the entire output of grantland to date
― dblake (symsymsym), Thursday, 12 May 2011 08:22 (twelve years ago) link
his opinions about music are really cool and original tho: http://www.mrdestructo.com/2009/11/av-clubs-50-best-albums-of-decade-are_9501.html
― dblake (symsymsym), Thursday, 12 May 2011 08:24 (twelve years ago) link
take it to ilm pal
― Princess TamTam, Thursday, 12 May 2011 09:13 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like Barkley's walking back his comments re: gay players on this Simmons/Klosterman podcast.
― clever dummy (boxall), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
my friend started reading big book of basketball and describes it like this: "it was like what a homosexual blowjob to a straight guy who passed out reads like"
― farty f baby (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 07:14 (twelve years ago) link
wait. does the straight guy pass out before he gets the blow job or after?
― Aimless, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
probably a better thread for this but.. gonna be away from the computer for a few weeks and also lookin to step down from the post-season without going cold turkey. anyone got any rec's for a good hoops read? not sure what kind of thing i'm lookin for here, maybe not a memoir? something sort of broad-ish? some good play analysis ish in there maybe? last decade would be a plus. dunno, thinking out loud i guess but wld be psyched for a suggestion or two. thx ilh bros
― bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
breaks of the game (1979) and seven seconds or less are both pretty great and entertaining. the last shot, about high school players in coney island featuring a cameo from a super-douchey sophomore stephon marbury, also gets pretty epic.
― marc gasloi (symsymsym), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 08:39 (twelve years ago) link
awesome, thanks dude. was figuring on just grabbing a handful, so if I can find em in town, I'm in. McCallum one looks great.
― bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 08:56 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, it's really fun. eddie house and alvin gentry each have tons of hilarious quotes iirc
― marc gasloi (symsymsym), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 09:02 (twelve years ago) link
was going to recommend seven seconds or less myself, curious how it would read with some hindsight on the dantoni suns. also I thoroughly recommend The Last Shot which is a great investigation into coney island basketball culture in the 90s and how inner city kids are manipulated by recruiters. sounds a bit grimmer than it is, though it's pretty grim. main profile is of a 15 year old stephon marbury's high school squad!
― Clay, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 09:16 (twelve years ago) link
oh lol didn't see symsym also recommends last shot! sorta skipped over it after seeing 7 secs or less.
― Clay, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 09:17 (twelve years ago) link
yeah def gonna shoot for both of those
― bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 09:31 (twelve years ago) link
the breaks of the game is fascinating too, especially if you enjoy david halberstam's patented way way too much detail style...there's twenty pages devoted to every benchwarmer's life story, but he still somehow makes it both compelling and relates each life to the path of the blazers and the state of the nba as a whole. ilh's numerous blazers fans can rep for it, right?
― marc gasloi (symsymsym), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 09:32 (twelve years ago) link
the 2nd best nba book ever (after the book of basketball obv)
― marc gasloi (symsymsym), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 09:33 (twelve years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51K0G4Q4JEL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ds0Jf00SL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417vJWhKwIL._SS500_.jpg
― omar little, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://books.google.com/books?id=4kLJkLerSaAC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&l=220
feat. "fuck you, bill."
― am0n, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
It was a sultry afternoon, and midway through the game, we went inside to the Dugout Club to cool off and talk. Simmons sounded as if he was having some regrets about Grantland. “It hasn’t been as much as fun as I had thought,” he told me. “I’m not sure I would do it again.” Too much of his time was being spent in the office, dealing with administrative tasks, which was encroaching on his column.
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/magazine/can-bill-simmons-win-the-big-one.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
“Come on, you’ve won two titles in a row!” Simmons said. He went on to compare Kay to a guy who picks up women at a bar for two weeks straight, “and then strikes out once and complains about it.”
we really need to start a rolling thread of eye rolling bill simmons analogies
― dayo, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
no we dont
― mississippi john hurt, but alabama john feeling okay (m bison), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
“I printed out those 6,000-word columns and took them to the bathroom just like everybody else,” says A. J. Daulerio, the 37-year-old editor in chief of Deadspin, Gawker’s sports blog.
jeez I didn't know you felt so strongly about this!
― dayo, Thursday, 2 June 2011 01:02 (twelve years ago) link
i hope grantland is good, but we'll see
― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 June 2011 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
A version of this article appeared in print on June 5, 2011, on page MM41 of the Sunday Magazine with the headline: CAN BILL SIMMONS BIG ONE?.
― max tldr (k3vin k.), Thursday, 2 June 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link
wow that article is the most effective argument i've ever read for simmons being a legit douchebag
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 2 June 2011 03:29 (twelve years ago) link
"40 year old fratboy" is generally nagl as a way to live your life
― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 June 2011 03:30 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i feel like bill usually demonstrates one redeeming quality or another but nope not in that piece
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 2 June 2011 03:35 (twelve years ago) link
gawker
ESPN regular-guy superstar sports blogger writer blah etc. Bill Simmons is starting his own boutique sports site, Grantland, in the very near future. Is he excited? "It hasn't been as much as fun as I had thought," he tells the NYT magazine. "I'm not sure I would do it again." Pretty encouraging words, from the boss! Your staff is prepared to follow you to the ends of the earth and beyond, Bill Simmons!
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 2 June 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/06/05/magazine/05simmons1/mag-05Simmons-t_CA1-articleInline.jpg
smh
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 2 June 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
Simmons is a funny, intelligent and original writer. He comes up with surprising angles and conceits — in a column last month, he applied quotes from “The Wire” to moments in the N.B.A. playoffs — that may not always work but certainly prevent him from becoming predictable.
loll waht writing a wire themed nba column is prob the most predictable thing he couldve done
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 2 June 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
i guess it's novel if youve never read him--author claims he's a fan so it's one of those nyt things where they take the reader's hand and lead them around
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 2 June 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
yo bill: less tweeting and website starting and podcasting; more column writing. thx
― pearsonic, Thursday, 2 June 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
Reeling at the idea of Hipster Runoff, Humblebrag, and Bill Simmons in business together.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 2 June 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
You guys need to listen to his podcast from today. Simmons talks to the guy who wrote the ESPN oral history book and he goes into a tangent about how he shouldn't have talked to him because he comes across like an asshole.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 2 June 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
I turned it off after five minutes because it was so awkward.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 2 June 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
yeah really the only podcasts he does that are worth it are the nba guys (stein/bucher/etc), his random wizards fan friend who seems pretty funny and they mostly stick to actually talking about basketball, and a few of the one-shot guests when he knows enough to mostly shut up and get out of the way like when jackie macmullen showed up a month or so ago
― a slight case of joe johnsonitis (agent hibachi), Thursday, 2 June 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
This one is utterly embarrassing. He mentions that he thought he came across a little rough, then they have to talk about, and then he brings it up again later, and ends with another mention because the guy is going to add some stuff and remove others when it comes out in paperback.
Confirms all the insecurities of the NYTimes piece.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 2 June 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
that photo is so weird -- i think the concept is fine but his expression is bizarre
― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 June 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
it's so photoshopped, also since when did bill simmons look like alec baldwin
― dayo, Friday, 3 June 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
haha i was just thinking, he's looking sorta distinguished (meaning old) lately
― Princess TamTam, Friday, 3 June 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
Glenn beck imo
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 3 June 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, June 2, 2011 5:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
listening now; this is really lol. miller is handling it well.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 3 June 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
He handles it like a pro, even though he's obviously perplexed. I would have loved to see Miller's face as Bill whines and complains.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 3 June 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
i am feeling this kind of aghast anticipation for learning what exactly the overlap is of the aesthetics of bill simmons and carles
― call all destroyer, Monday, 6 June 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
carles on grantland is gonna be so ridiculous & unintentionally hilarious
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 June 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
that is really one of those ideas that everyone should've been excited about for 10 mins after it was pitched before slowly realizing that it's an awful, awful idea
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 June 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
http://hoosieraccess.com/files/2010/01/snl_really.jpg
― Clay, Monday, 6 June 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
carles is gonna be on grantland?!?!
*pumps fist*
― dayo, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
he was listed among the "contributors"
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
we all know what hes gonna write abt
hipster jay cutler
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
knowing that bill simmons reads carles is an unfortunate colliding of the worlds in my head
I would have been much more comfortable knowing that simmons was unaware of carles's existence
― dayo, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
I could give a fuck about Carles, only name on the contributors list that matters is KEN TREMENDOUS.
(I also like Katie Bakes a lot, and Simmons himself. But seriously this could be like 99% garbage plus twice-yearly Mike Schur writing about sports/anything and it would give me something to read at least twice a year.)
― C-L, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
― dayo, Monday, June 6, 2011 8:24 PM (1 hour ago)
i was just thinking about this
― positive rapper (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
I skimmed the NYTMag piece, only lol was "baseball stat fetishization." Proof that sportswriters are the lowest form of life (ie God bless Barry Bonds).
― the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 02:29 (twelve years ago) link
19 hours until Grantland!!!!
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.babynametrain.com/name-graph2.php?_jpg_csimd=1&name_var=grantland&gender=boy
― am0n, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
welp http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6635763/welcome-grantland
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
ball semens
― am0n, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmhb7goxVB1qa9bmvo1_400.png
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://s0.2mdn.net/3159010/Subway_Grantland_SponsorByLogo_Pages.png
― am0n, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
the design of the site really really looks like a free wordpress theme
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
totally!
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
omg it seems that simmons only created this site so he could post his columns on a layout that has a permanent footnote column
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
Why is the top third of the page so horrible? Do they not have any designers at all over there?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
design critique 4 u bill smins
http://grab.by/cB0Z
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
Eight and a half years have passed. I can't remember how Jimmy answered, just what his face looked like. You wouldn't call it nervous, you wouldn't call it overwhelmed, you wouldn't call it anything … he didn't fucking know.
going for that "hard pg-13" i guess
― unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
Thank god they have someone covering the AL east!
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
it looks like yard work! which was when, 2005?
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
omg yard work! I miss that.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
I love the defensive descriptions of the coming soon sites on the last. SEE, WE COULD'VE CALLED IT "FOXBORO" BUT WE DIDN'T!!
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
on the left, rather.
Wow, this site has no content. What happened to the Katie Bakes story?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
the links to the second page of the articles are fucked up--they open the piece in a single page but kick you back to the beginning.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
haha this totally looks like someone using a wordpress theme in like late 2006 to try to emulate mcsweeneys or arts and letters daily
"presented by klondike"
― a slight case of joe johnsonitis (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
also footnotes basically suck, it's like extra tldr
you're a professional, professionally put that shit into the body as a point you're trying to make or leave it out, you're not citing academic journals or something
― a slight case of joe johnsonitis (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
footnote: they are hilarious when used properly
the klosterman story was a fun read!
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
re footnotes it maybe has something to do w/the strange phenomenon of dfw becoming an avatar for hack writers harboring pretensions everywhere
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
Grantland is ugly, but it's a shit ton easier to read/look at than Gawker Media's current format.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah the design is amateurish but I'm not gonna say that bothers me in the least. As long as the articles are easy to read, right? But I agree with the "hard PG-13" comment above, it's like he knew he could use one "fuck" in his column and was just debating where to put it
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
tbh if grantland had rotating banners (including, naturally, BIG BEAR) all would be a-ok here
― unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Willing to bet that Klosterman, not Simmons, is the one that pushed for Carles.
― Cunga, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
going out on a limb with that
― Cunga, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
cant believe icey writes for grantland
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5810019/why-grantland-rice-sucked
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
Who are you, LeBron James? What's inside you? And why do I care so much? http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6640925/time-lebrondown-part-ii
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/06/xlarge_simmons.jpghttp://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/06/xlarge_simmons.jpghttp://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/06/xlarge_simmons.jpg
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 June 2011 03:05 (twelve years ago) link
is that his dad by any chance?
― positive rapper (k3vin k.), Thursday, 9 June 2011 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
indeed it is
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 June 2011 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
that's one of the most depressing photos i've ever seen
i'm way too lazy to dig up all the instances when simmons trashed the bruins, tho i'm sure someone else is on it
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 June 2011 03:07 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, he crushed them when they were losing.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
well guys tbf his objection to the bruins was always about the fact that ownership didn't spend to the level it could have in the 80s and 90s, and this issue has been made completely irrelevant by the nhl hard cap. so yeah now he's back on the horse but so are a lot of people, it's hockey for chrissakes, it's barely a major sport and lends itself to the bandwagon because the playoff version is so vastly different from/better than the reg season version--essentially he's me with a lot more money.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 9 June 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
oh also i don't fuck w/merch from any team
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 9 June 2011 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
That LBJ piece was underwhelming. ffs simmons, get up off your ass and write something!
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 9 June 2011 10:51 (twelve years ago) link
feelin pa simmons whole look
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 9 June 2011 11:22 (twelve years ago) link
kinda like mark twain in dockers
― goog lebron paul (am0n), Thursday, 9 June 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
He reminds me of Michael Jeter in The Fisher King:
http://www.thirdfactory.net/images/fisher_king.jpg
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 June 2011 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
― goole, Friday, 10 June 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
Looks like einstein
― $5.00 Footlongs (thebingo), Friday, 10 June 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
hahahaha they punctuated carles hahahahaha
why did anyone think this was a good idea whyyyyyyy
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 June 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
THEY TYPED "MAIN BRO" ON THE FRONT PAGE
JUST A VERY COOL & EDGY WEBSITE
NOT THAT I DON'T <3 CARLES BUT
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 June 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
okay that carles article really isn't working for me.
just, like, domesticated carles is no carles at all.
― Clay, Friday, 10 June 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this is just... no
carles poems on the playoffs or no carles at all
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 June 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
That Carles article reminds me of Steve Martin when he wants to be a Serious Writer bro.
― Cunga, Friday, 10 June 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
i will say--they are putting up more stuff per day than i have time for, and i love to kill time at work.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 10 June 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
o what did they do to my carles
― ice cr?m, Friday, 10 June 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
http://s0.2mdn.net/3234998/Klondike-Logo-Grantland.png
its like a fucking geocities site
wheres the counter in the footer http://www.d-s-t.com.au/_vti_bin/fpcount.exe/?Page=data/outsourced/Dual_PassiveRadaiator/index.htm|Image=4
― hella screens (am0n), Friday, 10 June 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
he went to college and came back with all these crazy ideas in his head
xpost
― Cunga, Friday, 10 June 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
I want a hit counter but also midi music playing while I read
― Cunga, Friday, 10 June 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
I liked the Carles article. It's fun to see him try to class it up slightly.
― polyphonic, Friday, 10 June 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
id be funny if carles slowly morphed into a 'serious writer' w/a 'real career'
― ice cr?m, Friday, 10 June 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
guys this website sux stop liking it :(((
― hella screens (am0n), Friday, 10 June 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
― polyphonic, Friday, 10 June 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i don't really get the fascination. bunch of shitty writers congealing around bill simmons of all people, whoop-tee-doo.
― Clay, Friday, 10 June 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
well a bunch of shitty writers and carles.
― Clay, Friday, 10 June 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
I like a lot of the writers I guess.
― polyphonic, Friday, 10 June 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
i like carles and molly lambert and sometimes simmons on the nba and prob some of the other writers not totally sure whos who, but mostly i think were approaching this from an 'amateur media criticism and rubbernecking' pov
― ice cr?m, Friday, 10 June 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
i get what you're saying there but i think mostly it's like the last thing i want from simmons et al is a reason for them to take themselves really seriously, and this site seems to indulge in that and oh man, no thanks on that.
just write about the nba, bill! i'll take a thousand terrible gm summits to whatever this endeavor is.
― Clay, Friday, 10 June 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
it def has the potential to be horribly awful!
― ice cr?m, Friday, 10 June 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
i mean there is no way in hell im reading dave eggers on wrigley field or two separate articles on some defunct sports newspaper
― ice cr?m, Friday, 10 June 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
i will however agree check out the piece on baldwins twitter :/
― ice cr?m, Friday, 10 June 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
oh christ of course eggers is writing for them i mean duh of course
― Clay, Friday, 10 June 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
theyre puttying out a quarterly journal w/mcsweeneys lmao
― ice cr?m, Friday, 10 June 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
i mean there is no way in hell im reading dave eggers on wrigley field
oh man i thought this was a joke but no
― a slight case of joe johnsonitis (agent hibachi), Saturday, 11 June 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Friday, June 10, 2011 3:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
have you looked at HRO lately? he's punctuating himself
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 11 June 2011 14:16 (twelve years ago) link
Thought Pierce's article on the National was pretty interesting, maybe only because I have vague memories of reading my dad's copy every day when it was out.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Saturday, 11 June 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
heh, i think deadspin is just gonna make scocca their full-time grantland assassin
http://deadspin.com/5811438/
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
grantland's footnotes are killing me. i don't know how these articles look on a regular computer, but on my iPhone and iPad you can't hit the "back" button and go to the original spot in the article you were just at. nope, it takes you all the way to the top of the page and you have to scroll all the way down to where you were reading. and you have to do that over and over again. what a piece of shit website.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
Rock VORPBy Chuck KlostermanHow important is Albert Hammond Jr. to the Strokes? Grantland does the math.
the day we all feared
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
lolll
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
baaaaaarf
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
shit that looks like an Onion article but isn't
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
it really is awful
― goole, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
omg
― Clay, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
By Chuck Klosterman
― dayo, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
― ☂ (max), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
a ronald thomas clontle reference!
― unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
god that is just the worst article written by the worst person with the worst taste
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/intel/08/03/07_chuckklosterman_lgl.jpg
"I give props to my ninjas and kudos to my serfs."
― jag goo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
i can't stand klosterman but actually sort of enjoyed his first couple grantland things....was giving me hope...that hope has been cruelly snatched away.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:26 (twelve years ago) link
people who listen strictly to rock music should not write about music
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:27 (twelve years ago) link
it's the vh1-ification of music
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
unless you're writing about metal
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
i've never knowingly read him before thank god...he is an astonishingly bad writer - maybe it's my age and i've read way too much writing like this from my peers, this terrible semi-ironic style where every other word is some sort of terrible in-joke or reference, like they're trying desperately, pathetically hard for a laugh - simmons obviously is on this spectrum but at his best he's smart enough and funny enough to the point where the signal drowns out the noise
― jag goo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:35 (twelve years ago) link
i mean it's a difficult balance to pull off - for every chuck klosterman there's a peak-era bill simmons, or a gabe from videogum (i don't check this site anymore unless my little brother makes me read something but even he grates on me now a little too)
― jag goo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:36 (twelve years ago) link
this is such a shit idea for an article & he's not even remotely close to being an interesting enough writer for it not to be one of the most boring things i've tried to read in a long ass time
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6625899/three-man-weave
this was cool tho. maybe he should stick to reporting because the one thing he is not is witty, tho he really thinks he is.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:41 (twelve years ago) link
well he can certainly tell a story better than he can just be a dude writing a funny piece
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the name is v familiar (i dont read much non-nerdy sports stuff lol) and i'm sure he's a decent writer when he just like, tries to write instead of being all cute or whatever, sorry that style i was referring to just in all seriousness infuriates me, like it might as well be in the fucking style manual that all under-30s refer to for their informal writings
― jag goo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't read the piece but I feel like I've heard that story before in other klosterman books
anyway it's pretty funny that b simmons invites the one writer in america who's capable of making more ham-fisted analogies with pop culture than himself
― dayo, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6648606/absurdity-nba-half-court-rule
this was the other one i liked--argues that the rule where u can advance the ball to the frontcourt after a timeout in the last two minutes is unique in shortcutting the rules for the sole purpose of creating more excitement.
it's deliberately slight but idk it was something i had never thought about.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
― dayo, Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
well why do you think simmons reveres him so much!
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
lol i didn't read that piece but he is otm & it's something i've thought about before
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:51 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that's a solid piece - nba has a bunch of rules like that one that are meant to facilitate scoring/offense - defensive 3 seconds, no hand checks, no turnover if guarded for 5 seconds like in college, etc
― jag goo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
one of the better things simmons has dug up is that this is basically the (awesome) story of the invention of the shot clock! i like that the nba is basically ok changing rules and explaining "this will make it more fun to watch"
― a slight case of joe johnsonitis (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
yeah soccer could take a note eliminate offsides hint hint
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
baseball too give every player a gun hint hint
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
hint hint
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
wow what is this column http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6693430/painting-nba-trade-picture
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
i scanned through that, noted that it was certainly written under the influence of cocaine, and moved on with my life.
― Clay, Thursday, 23 June 2011 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
i think fake trade talk is frivolous fun most of the time, but this is one of the most strained & absurd columns i've ever read
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
So the Nets turned $1.50 of coins into a $1 bill; they felt like they had to overpay because it was their one chance to acquire paper.
...
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
exactly.
― Clay, Thursday, 23 June 2011 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
like i'm sure this all seemed like a good idea in the process of writing it or whatever but don't you step back and look at your insanity now and then and just hit delete
― Clay, Thursday, 23 June 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link
So the Nets turned a roast beef sandwich into a tuna sandwich; they felt like they had to overpay because they were tired of eating roast beef for lunch.
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link
You also have to feel for the Trade Machine, which will spend the summer hanging out on ESPN.com like a bored housewife who never gets hit on, looking sad, wearing tight clothes, and flirting with the pool boy in a desperate attempt to get noticed.
wait is this the O_o 2 thread?
― dayo, Thursday, 23 June 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, there's not much to say about that kinda stuff at this point
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure how having Wes Johnson, Derrick Williams, Lamar Odom, andRon Artest helps them unless they flipped the no. 2 and Odom to Cleveland for the no. 1 and Anderson Varejao (then took Kyrie Irving)
what is this even
― frogbracist (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
an intervention needs to be staged
― dayo, Thursday, 23 June 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
this coins | money thing is so weird. why do I want to change coins into bills? I can use both at the taco bell?
― dayo, Thursday, 23 June 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
Without further ado, let's make up 20 fake deals separated into various categories, and let's make sure none of them include the bogus "Monta Ellis for Andre Iguodala" swap, which makes no sense for the simple reason that Monta Ellis is better at basketball than Andre Iguodala. Anyway …
fuck u simmons everyone on ilh signed off on this trade!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 June 2011 02:29 (twelve years ago) link
ilh has the best posting style, i'll admit
― rebel yelp (gbx), Thursday, 23 June 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
simmons has written as much in the last week as he has in the previous tow years two years, its clearly taking a toll
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 23 June 2011 03:37 (twelve years ago) link
eh hem, me too
the k-lost piece on the epic junior ND basketball game is good!
― goole, Thursday, 23 June 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
The plug for this column on his Twitter was "I can't believe how much time I spent on today's column. It's a staggering opus of inanity. "
Also you all should read the thing where Mike Schur and another dude watch Pakistan and India play Cricket and write a 12,000 word liveblog on it. http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6657523/so-cricket-maybe
― C-L, Thursday, 23 June 2011 03:52 (twelve years ago) link
With labor trouble threatening the seasons of two of our four major sports, a pair of red-blooded Americans look overseas to fill the potential gap.
― rebel yelp (gbx), Thursday, 23 June 2011 03:54 (twelve years ago) link
i watched some cricket when i was in india, its p fn tedious imho, theyre nuts abt it tho, like there are no other popular sports there as far as i could tell, children walking around w/cricket bats everywhere etc
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 23 June 2011 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
a programmer i work with was basically useless during that shit!! it was really endearing tbh
― goole, Thursday, 23 June 2011 04:02 (twelve years ago) link
oh he's from india, is the point.
apparently there were some crazy upsets but i forget who over whom. the dutch over the jamaicans? or something
When I was in college, I made a friend from Kenya who had never seen a baseball game, and when I asked him what he knew about baseball, he said that there was something called a catcher, and that there was "a man named Griffith Junior" who was supposed to be quite good. I found it endearing.
― rebel yelp (gbx), Thursday, 23 June 2011 04:04 (twelve years ago) link
he tried to explain what was going on and what the drama was -- apparently it's a beat-your-own averages kind of game. the batting order is stacked from best to worst, and uhh you keep hitting for some set amount of balls (6?). so basically you expect your best dudes to knock out all 6... i forget what this means for the running back and forth bit. so it's all about expected pace as the hours go by. i guess.
in the final match india had some top guys really blow it early (i think), so the middle-tier dudes had to step up and play much better. like, we have x balls left and need x(y) runs which isn't usually possible, but they did it.
anyway what i just wrote there is probably about as good as the grantland bit
― goole, Thursday, 23 June 2011 04:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah india made an improbable comeback
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 23 June 2011 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
foreign stuff, man, what a trip
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 23 June 2011 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
I imagine how cricket comes across to us is how baseball comes across to foreigners xp
― dayo, Thursday, 23 June 2011 11:23 (twelve years ago) link
i'll admit that that piece made me read a bunch about cricket on wikipedia
― rebel yelp (gbx), Thursday, 23 June 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
The big upset was Ireland over England iirc - I enjoyed that cricket piece but I suppose I would. Is there anything else worth reading on Grantland? I imagine it as a terrible wasteland.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 23 June 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
wait wtf is this trade value in silver dollars piece really
it's just the trade value column (usually good, and a comprehensible gimmick) rewritten four months later with an incomprehensible gimmick
also, almost every "dime" player he calls "fundamentally untradeable" has been traded in the past 0-24 months
― a slight case of joe johnsonitis (agent hibachi), Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
uhhhhh David Kahn on the podcast? uhhhhh
2 minutes in and it is already AWKWARD.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
*tunes in*
― Clay, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
saw that but i'm too scared to listen.
― circles, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
The piece about the writer who used his garage hoop to help get over his dad's suicide felt like it should have been so much better, but that's about par for Grantland - okay writing, but without anything interesting to say.
(also, Skip Bayless is a cunt)
― bill magill (milo z), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
They prove to all middle-American sports fans that "Soccer really IS the beautiful game, a-holes!" (This belief is actually 70 percent of the spirit that has driven the great Northwest Soccer Explosion in MLS.)
i have had this thought, tbh
― rebel yelp (gbx), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 04:02 (twelve years ago) link
could someone do a clusterfuck summary of the simmons-kahn podcast? i'm not good with high levels of awkwardness
― get at me frog (symsymsym), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 09:00 (twelve years ago) link
This is how I heard it, though to be honest I wasn't listening super close after the first few minutes because there was a lack of expected fireworks:
Simmons, when confronted, backs down as always, saying he didn't really say all these horrible things or mean them at any rate. Kahn is professional (and semi-delusional) throughout, backing his statements with plausible if not always defensible outside of his mind reasons. Bill awkwardly tries to rebut a few of them but basically concedes almost everything. What could - and should - have been a somewhat hostile encounter ends up being like him and Isiah Thomas in his book; Bill is cowed and afraid to end in disagreement.
If you want a peak into Kahn's thought process it's interesting. If you want a real discussion of long-term disagreements between the two parties or Kahn to challenge Bill's caricature of him than not really.
It's not as clusterfucky as the podcast with the guy who wrote the ESPN book. That was comedy gold if you wanted to see Simmons unhinged.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 11:09 (twelve years ago) link
thanks!
― get at me frog (symsymsym), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
kahn is a creepy mix of corporate dronespeak and smarminess.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
lol so his master plan is to create a smallball team without defined roles
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
excuse me while i skip back aways but...oh man, americans talking about cricket is always first rate entertainment. i mean, understandably so, it is a truly odd 'game', but that doesn't diminish the fun. you will get closer to the byzantine truth if you just forget baseball at the outset, it is no help here. but then, why bother, cricket will never ever convert anyone that hasn't had it culturally beaten into them. it truly is the sport that defies you to like it.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
while i am here i will say that although i was finally done with simmons a while ago now, despite my boston-biased efforts to hang in there, i kinda did want grantland to come off but it seems pretty terrible so far and i have decided i would at least enjoy a crash and burn if not actively root for it.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
hey man i tried, gimme a break.
and believe me 'forgetting about baseball' is not hard for me to do
― ~edgy~ (goole), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
in conclusion, as a guy who works in a large corporate environment i am extremely glad i do not work with david kahn.
i have run into guys like that and they are deeply uncool.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
huh, one of the founders of the awl (the publisher david cho) is going to grantland
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like for every person he hires that i like hes planning on hiring another person that i hate
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
The Lorne Michaels theory
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
wow theres a buttload of people writing for this site huh
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 June 2011 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
bill simmons on ryan reynolds
― get at me frog (symsymsym), Thursday, 30 June 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
thought that was a pretty interesting article
― dirty deathdrone boys (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 June 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
even if you need to strip away the "how hollywood is like the nba" arc
― dirty deathdrone boys (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 June 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
i do not need a ryan renolds themed bill simmons think pece in my life, i do not need it!
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 June 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
the will smith part is pretty otm actually
― a slight case of joe johnsonitis (agent hibachi), Thursday, 30 June 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
Grantland.com succinctly summarized
― Clay, Thursday, 30 June 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like for every person he hires that i like hes planning on hiring another person that i hate― ☂ (max), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:58 PM
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmhb7goxVB1qa9bmvo1_400.png LaBeouf
― rip nyc chicken (am0n), Thursday, 30 June 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
― dirty deathdrone boys (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 June 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
muniz
― ☂ (max), Friday, 1 July 2011 12:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6708682/the-math-problem
too easy i guess but i'm surprised we didn't take a doodoo on this one
― bros -izing bros (k3vin k.), Friday, 8 July 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
it was way, way too easy
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 July 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, i'm sympathetic to the position but it was just a dumb article.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 July 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
that piece has been savaged all over the place
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 July 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5819051/dear-grantland-your-motto-is-wrong
this is really damning & unbelievable -- i can tell you from experience that editing is really not that hard, and even less hard is setting up a system so that you don't have a myriad of typos in your articles, especially when you have an unlimited budget and especially when you're posting like 3 stories a day, most of which aren't even much more than 1,000 words long. some of this shit is just embarrassing.
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 July 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
yeah agreed
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 July 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
i will use this forum to offer my services as grantland copy editor--i only ask that they match my current salary and never make me meet bill simmons in person.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
can't match your current salary but I can offer you a substantial share in the toronto raptors organization and only a 5% chance of ever meeting bill simmons in person
― dayo, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
i will have to discuss with my accountant and my attorney
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
(he means his cats)
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 8 July 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
mr. fluffy jd & miss whiskers cpa
― johnny crunch, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
The least a copy editor can do is verify all the proper nouns and dates, which takes no time at all.
― polyphonic, Friday, 8 July 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
the "I fix the NBA" column is so scattered. like he has a paragraph about how horrible donald sterling is and then uses the fact that he hasn't cut into the lakers' popularity as evidence that greater LA needs an 3rd franchise and chicago needs a 2nd.
― circles, Saturday, 9 July 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
ha yeah the 'just get everybody into a room and figure it out ffs' line of reasoning is usual reserved for like the stupidest of all politicians etc
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 9 July 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
thx again upthread dudes for the :07 seconds or less rec. after not paying thirty for a Chapters copy I was stoked to find it for six and change on getting home. great read
― bear, bear, bear, Monday, 11 July 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
Even that fuck Mike Barnicle gets to write for this thing? Ugh.
― polyphonic, Monday, 11 July 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
it was an inoffensive enough piece but yes my reaction was mike fuckin' barnicle? really?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 July 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
that asshole disgraced himself in boston-area media years ago. it's amazing that anybody lets him write.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 July 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
he must've been super nice to simmons when bill was a pup
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Monday, 11 July 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
i can't figure out biographically where they would have crossed paths--maybe bu j-school? but yeah that would not shock me.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 July 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
This story has been updated to correct the spelling of Colombia and to clarify that Megan Rapinoe was not a starter for the United States.
..................
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Monday, 11 July 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
culumbia
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 July 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Monday, July 11, 2011 3:38 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah wtf this guys is like on tv all the time still after making up fake cancer patients just so he could push his self righteous butthole shtick
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
okay this is awesome http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6760779/the-legacy-yao
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
a 6k word molly lambert piece published by espn.com = the definition of
― J0rdan S., Monday, May 2, 2011 6:54 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark
aw i love molly lambert. it's weird to me that she's writing for bill simmons's vanity project but i'll take what i can get
― horseshoe, Thursday, 14 July 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
i like her too generally speaking, it just seems really forced (which is no fault of her own)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 July 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
Mobley's current career plans included opening a medical marijuana dispensary
ice cold
― dayo, Thursday, 14 July 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
The Chris Ryan relegation piece?
― boxall, Monday, 1 August 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
He is such a hack.
― boxall, Monday, 1 August 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
lotta women falling into the grantland/deadspin overlap huh
― Notinnymane (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
guess who was guest-hosting pti today
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/08/368053050.jpg
if you guessed bill simmons' new mustache, you win!
― Clay, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 06:43 (twelve years ago) link
ahaha
― circles, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 06:48 (twelve years ago) link
a face made for TV
― dayo, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 11:34 (twelve years ago) link
can we just acknowledge that bill simmons is not suited for anything outside of writing. sounding like a 20 year old fratboy when you're 45 is nagl
― dayo, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 11:35 (twelve years ago) link
who doesn't acknowledge that?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 13:05 (twelve years ago) link
people on here who acknowledge listening to his podcasts and are proud of it
― dayo, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 13:10 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not so sure he's even suited for writing anymore. the idea of a 45-year old man trying to lace sports columns with Jersey Shore references and a "breakdown" of the Pippa Middleton "situation" is cringe-worthy. plus I don't think he really passes the Sports Guy Turing test anymore as I'm pretty sure I could write an article that could be mistaken for the actual thing. in fact, it would be underrated, kind of like a 2006 post-breakup Jennifer Aniston. see, here's the thing. In 2006, she was underrated, as everybody (the Sports Wife) was feeling sorry for her, and hated Angelina Jolie. But, in 2008, she became overrated, as
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think he really passes the Sports Guy Turing test anymore
ahahaha first thing the stache made me think of was this
http://www.gonemovies.com/www/Pictures/Pictures/BladerunnerLeon.jpg
― rock out with your lock out d-stern (agent hibachi), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
― dayo, Tuesday, August 9, 2011 9:10 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
lol i have no idea about "proud of it" but depending on the guest podcast simmons is far and away the most tolerable simmons.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
his podcasts are often great
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
tho often maddening
When he has a guy like Norm MacDonald it's definitely good and I like the "guess the line" podcasts with Cousin Sal.
I did think when people would make fun of his voice that they were just kinda randomly hating on the guy, but holy christ do they have a point. He sounds like that snot-nosed kid from Home Movies. Plus I do get the vibe of "we're all bros and we can all make fun of everyone, but don't say anything too mean to Simmons"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6851333/the-architecture-disaster
the writing here is... a bit much, but pretty cool story nonetheless
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 August 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
some good stereotyping in the first paragraph, well done
― dayo, Friday, 12 August 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
simmons' podcast with david stern is the most boring thing ever.
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 13 August 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
this is pretty on-point imo: http://bryanjoiner.com/2011/08/17/garbageland/
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
nice, i was just thinking that i actually can't wait for the classical (nu-darko) while grantland's awful complete lack of editing is wearing me down
― rock out with your lock out d-stern (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
i mean really, they just need a real honest-to-god editor who can fact-check and edit...you can get them on the internet for like twenty bucks now, pony up some of that subway cash money doggie
― rock out with your lock out d-stern (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
they do desperately need that, but i think the longer-term thing that this guy is right about is how simmons' columns look worse when presented outside of espn.com
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I agree with pretty much everything in there. I like some of the writers - I think Jonah Keri is basically good, but essentially I feel like you can only really enjoy Grantland if you ARE Bill Simmons, and I have yet to find anyone who really likes the site as anything more than an occassional time-waster.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
there was another article about that somewhere, which said something like "ESPN needs Simmons in order to appear edgy, while Simmons needs ESPN to appear as though he has things to say that ought to be censored". his Grandland articles are basically the same thing he writes for ESPN, just with the occassional "fuck"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
It’s not good when you have the least self-aware comment in a book full of narcissists.
otm
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
the site has no particular identity is the thing p much
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
things never work out when people are all i just want to make something good
like there has to be a more specific and passionate motivation
i mean they went w/the placeholder name the designer stuck in the mock ups
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
didnt care enough to have a real name that stood for a thing
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Grantland does have an idea, it's the world as it exists inside a Bill Simmons column
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
I wish it was even that cohesive, but it isn't.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
On that note, not super jazzed about "The Classical" as the name of a sports website.
yeah wow their kickstarter pitch really filled me w/zzzzzs
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
Writing about sports the way that smart people talk about sports is a simple idea, and a good one. AND A BORING ONE IMHO, PWN
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
The problem is that there are only so many Joe Posnanskies in the world, and he's too humble to ever attempt something like this
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
if the classical was a blog with mark e smith doing stream of consciousness rants about us sports i would read. i might set up a rival kickstarter. hunnerd bucks should get us rolling
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
well bethlehem shoals is involved in the classical so there goes that idea
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
there are still def. some grantland articles that I've enjoyed, like the arvydas sabonis article. (the non-lambert pop culture stuff is pretty embarrassing tho). What do we think of Bill Walton's deep thoughts here?
In the following season, Wallace threw the towel at Sabonis during a timeout of a game against the Lakers. Sabonis had accidentally smacked Wallace's face earlier when he collided in the post with O'Neal.
"Under normal circumstances, he'd have probably knocked his head into next year," Doucette said. "I don't think you want to challenge Arvydas. But he kept his cool because he knew that if he didn't, that team would come apart right there. He did a marvelous job of remaining composed."
Walton, who was broadcasting the game nationally, still feels remorse over the incident. "It was one of the lowest moments of my life," he said. "If I was any kind of a man, I would have got up from that broadcast table and walked across the court and punched Rasheed Wallace in the nose. But I let Sabonis and the game of basketball and the human race down that day."
― shannon goon (symsymsym), Thursday, 18 August 2011 02:35 (twelve years ago) link
lmao walton
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 18 August 2011 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
i think about that moment a lot, the moment when bill walton let the human race down
― max, Thursday, 18 August 2011 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
Walton also apparently has never read The Breaks of the Game, even though he's tried dozens of times, because it's too painful to read about his own injuries. Why doesn't he just skip those parts? If he wants to read the book so badly?
― shannon goon (symsymsym), Thursday, 18 August 2011 05:56 (twelve years ago) link
a broadcaster walking into the court to fight sheed would have been a pretty great moment in human history, you have to admit
― shannon goon (symsymsym), Thursday, 18 August 2011 05:58 (twelve years ago) link
thats what im saying, he let all of us down at that moment, by not doing something hilarious
― max, Thursday, 18 August 2011 12:52 (twelve years ago) link
xp have you read breaks of the game? it isn't really structured in a way where you can skip parts imo
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 August 2011 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no way! this is pretty good.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 August 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
i love when walton gets into some epic ineffable shit, he's the best
― rock out with your lock out d-stern (agent hibachi), Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/itbbL.png
pwn
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
lol I came here to post my own version of that too, but to comment on the righteous screencap
http://i.imgur.com/bwYEy.png
― dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/hnrkT.png
― dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
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― ice cr?m, Saturday, 1 October 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
can't... stop... staring...
― dayo, Saturday, 1 October 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
worst episode of hollywood squares
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 1 October 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
it's impressive how simmons can't write about anything without referring to the nba -- it's reminiscent of wilbon's propensity for mentioning jordan in any possible (or impossible) context
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 October 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
good podcasts this week w/blake griffin and the ticketmaster guy
― call all destroyer, Friday, 21 October 2011 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
simmons article going in on the players for the lockout was nagl
― ice cr?m, Friday, 21 October 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
im shocked you guys haven't pointed out the whole "there are more likeable players in the NHL" thing most likely meant "there are more white guys in hockey"
― frogbs, Friday, 21 October 2011 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
not to mention the whole "NBA players have limited intellectual capacity" thing
― frogbs, Friday, 21 October 2011 02:44 (twelve years ago) link
i know this is easy pickins but if you want to see him get ripped apart click herehttp://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/10/20/2502297/nba-lockout-2011-bill-simmons-hook
that was enjoyable tbh
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 October 2011 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
feel cleansed now
― ice cr?m, Friday, 21 October 2011 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
the problem for Bill is he's really not knowledgable about anything outside the NBA and I'm pretty sure he going to write like a dozen LeBron articles this winter
― frogbs, Friday, 21 October 2011 04:09 (twelve years ago) link
ill read every single one tbh
frogbs do u like stats come have fun in the player game finder thread
― MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Friday, 21 October 2011 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
the problem for Bill is he's really not knowledgable about anything outside the NBA
bostonhoopsguy
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 October 2011 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
xp I'd read them too! he's so much better editorializing about hoops than anything else. i read his NFL picks columns but he knows pretty much nothing about football (or baseball for that matter), but his stuff on Lebron is always good
― frogbs, Friday, 21 October 2011 04:19 (twelve years ago) link
sportsguy33Could anyone else who twists my "limited intellectual capital" comment around from yesterday's column please note that...
...I'd have the same concerns for NHL/NFL/MLB players? Athletes are trained/conditioned to play sports, not save their sports economically.1 hour ago
― polyphonic, Friday, 21 October 2011 06:50 (twelve years ago) link
I always thought that baseball was his bread and butter, you know his whole I'M FROM BAWSTON RED SOX RED SOX RED SOX thing
― dayo, Friday, 21 October 2011 10:08 (twelve years ago) link
Really enjoyed this article:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/7538/rediscovering-rock-n-jock
― polyphonic, Thursday, 27 October 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
― dayo, Friday, October 21, 2011 6:08 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark
this angle has had rapidly diminishing returns for everyone who worked it since 2004
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 October 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5878436/tennis-players-bill-simmons-would-do-another-classic-from-the-secret-sports-guy-vault?tag=bill-simmons
― omar little, Thursday, 26 January 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
^^kinda imagine nu-bill simmons gritting his teeth every time he's writing about female athletes and holding himself back from saying things this extreme
― omar little, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
ugh @ the "hey i'm just doing what the ppl asked for!"
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
SYLVIA PLISCHKE — C-minusProbably the most attractive tall woman on the tour, which isn't saying much... short-haired blonde, painfully skinny... she's about six-foot-three, but she doesn't have that stiff-legged, "women's hoop coach" walk like most other tall tennis players ... on the bright side, I'm convinced she wasn't wearing a bra during her matches last year.
― omar little, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
MARY PIERCE — B-minusCaptain of the "Beauty is just a lightswitch away" club ... in other words, she's got a Butter Face (everything looks great but her face) ... supposedly better-looking in person ... then again, they said the same thing about Rocky Dennis ... one of the few female tennis players with a legit cleavage... as Frank Drebin said in the first "Naked Gun" movie, "She's got the kinda breasts that say 'Hey, look at these!'"
Two drawbacks here: 1) Pierce dates Robbie Alomar, which speaks for itself, and 2) she had that weird restraining order thing against her domineering father, which means she possesses an inordinate amount of emotional baggage ... there's just a lot to work with here, both positive and negative.
**** Caveman #1: "She's searching for a father figure, which means she's probably extremely attentive to her man's needs. Extremely attentive."
**** Caveman #2: "Remember when Kenny Mayne was doing tennis highlights and said, 'Mary Pierce down a set, although it doesn't appear that way'? Now THAT's comedy!"
― omar little, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
ARANXTA SANCHEZ-VICARIO — D-plusBuilt like a fire hydrant ... not a lot to work with here ... her face finally cleared up, so she actually looks the best she's ever looked.
(Note: That last statement reminds me of something my buddy Worm said in college when we were talking about a chunky girl on our hall — one of her friends had said how this girl had lost 15 pounds and the Worm quickly responded, "Oh good, only 40 more to go." High comedy. You had to be there. By the way, I'm babbling...
**** Caveman #1: "The WTA doesn't let Aranxta raise trophies after she wins tournaments due to her McHale-like armpit-hair."
JENNIFER CAPRIATI — C-plusShe should have a tattoo of a suitcase on her right arm, because this gal's got baggage! ... not only did she have a serious drug problem, but you just KNOW she did some bizarre things when she was in her "Sidney from Melrose Place" stage a few years back (I'm still waiting for the secret Capriati porn tape to show up at Tower Records, ala Tonya Harding) ... one of my buddies in the know swears that Capriati had a breast reduction, so we're going to have to dock her grade just on rumor alone ... basically, she's starting off with a C before we even evaluate her ... and I think her features are a little rough ... on the other hand, she's probably the most fun girl on the tour to go out drinking with, so that brings her up to a C-plus.
**** Caveman #2: "Like every drug girl in college, slightly overweight but still cute enough to take advantage of for a one-nighter. Thighs show the effect of many nights with the munchies, but return to the game could work in her favor, as long as she doesn't start sniffing the lines or smoking the grass at Wimbledon."
― omar little, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
THE WILLIAMS SISTERS — B-minusCall me crazy, but I think they're cute in an Amazon kinda way ... any man who hasn't thought about being in the middle of a Williams sister sandwich is lying, plain and simple ... then again, I also think Chamique Holdsclaw is cute ...then again, I think almost everyone is cute ... one of those cases were the sum is much greater than the parts... and let's be honest, the beads thing is pretty kinky ... Serena's body is right out of a porno movie (she's on the Frank Drebin team) ... they're also a tad surly, which can always be fun after a few drinks ... one drawback: a domineering father.
**** Caveman #1: "Venus is just scary. Anyone that confident, big and strong would reduce any man to a quivering mass of blubbering flesh. Serena's better looking, and since she has the second child thing going on, she'd probably go the extra mile to get the job done for her man
**** Caveman #2: "Both of them make a lotta noise, if you get my drift. Hey now."
― omar little, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
AMELIA MURESMA — F-minusAs Austin Powers once said, "She's a man, baby!" ... in fact, Martina Hingis remarked that the French-born Muresma was "half-man" during the 1998 U.S. Open, which infuriated French fans and caused Hingis to get booed all through last year's French Open ... Amelia's just terrifying ... every time she makes the semifinals of a major, she has a "Latrell Sprewell in the NBA Finals" effect on the ratings ... a "Saturday Night Live" skit waiting to happen, ala Janet Reno.
**** Caveman #1: "AHHHHHH! AHHHHHH! AHHHHHHHH! AHHHHHHH!"
**** Caveman #2: "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!! AHHHHHH! AHHHHHH! AHHHHHHHH! AHHHHHHH!"
MONICA SELES — DAlways looks like she hasn't showered in about five days ... used to be much cuter a few years ago, before she was stabbed in the back ... lately she looks like she's been hanging around the buffet table with Billie Jean King ... she might want to consider looser clothing (nothing worse than a top-ranked tennis player with a front-butt) ... on the bright side, she makes an astounding amount of noise ... there isn't a man alive who hasn't mulled her over after one of her yelping forehands.
**** Caveman #1: "You get the feeling her breasts hang down like fire hoses when she doesn't have a bra on.
**** Caveman #2: "Not a good potential date because she would probably eat so much you'd go broke."
you know, there was a link to the article upthread...
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
(nothing worse than a top-ranked tennis player with a front-butt)
I agree that this is the worst thing
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
btw bill was a notably worse writer back then huh
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
any man who hasn't thought about being in the middle of a Williams sister sandwich is lying, plain and simple
I don't often fantasize about being crushed to death but I guess this wouldn't be a bad way to go
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
didn't see that link, oh well...
― omar little, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
uhhh not really, no
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
yah totally, blatantly
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah he was
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
is the "caveman 1" and "caveman 2" thing like anonymous reader submissions or like the pure id of bill simmons presented in a way that makes him feel better
i think by merely toning down his misogyny from tucker max levels to beer commercial levels he's become a better writer. i mean i think he's mostly tedious now but better without a doubt.
― omar little, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
stuff like this aside, the only time in which Bill was really tolerable was before the Red Sox won in 2004; haven't you read any of his recent stuff? like his 20 page opus on why there can only be 15 movie stars at one time, how none of them can be women, and how Ryan Reynolds is definitely not one of them?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
maybe it's "cousin sal" and "jacko" xpost
― omar little, Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
Note: That last statement reminds me of something my buddy Worm said in college when we were talking about a chunky girl on our hall — one of her friends had said how this girl had lost 15 pounds and the Worm quickly responded, "Oh good, only 40 more to go." High comedy. You had to be there.
good thing he qualified that statement...I was thinking..."40 more...what? What is he talking about?" I guess I had to be there...
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Somehow the result of the Grantland experiment is that now I never, ever read Simmons (or listen to his podcasts), whereas before I read/listened him pretty much every week. Not sure why that is.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 26 January 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
i think a lot of that is because his articles come out at like 3 PM on a Friday and i'm usually done for the week by then. not really a prime spot for a writer.
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Thursday, 26 January 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
out of sight (espn.com), out of mind
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Thursday, 26 January 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7503780/the-return-young-jeezy
? ! ?
― san lazaro, Thursday, 26 January 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
http://a.espncdn.com/i/columnists/barshad_amos_m.jpg? http://a.espncdn.com/i/columnists/barshad_amos_m.jpg! http://a.espncdn.com/i/columnists/barshad_amos_m.jpg?
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Thursday, 26 January 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
removing the bookmark from this thread so I'm never reminded of what a revolting shithead bill simmons is
― oneohtrix and park (m bison), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
why does deadspin feel the need to mercilessly bash bill simmons and grantland at every opportunity?
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 27 January 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like a good part of it is an inferiority complex? deadspin's always been really critical of ESPN so the idea of ESPN spinning off something like deadspin-lite has got to stick in their craw a bit
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:19 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
because bill simmons is kind of an asshole?
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
dying @ snrub
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 02:49 (twelve years ago) link
getting butthurt over deadspin's trolling of grantland is... quite a reason to get a hurt butt, i must say
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
god is that female tennis playing grading shit upthread for real? what a piece of work.
― Clay, Friday, 27 January 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
yeah them uncovering this shit is pretty awesome but when grantland started and they made a list of every nitpicky factual error it seemed pretty stupid
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
well they demonstrated that it's pretty weird to start a website of professional writing that does not employ any ediotrs.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 27 January 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
Look, I don't want to be captain save-a-simmons here. He is an asshole. I mean, you can't even blame this horrible tennis article on "He was young, he didn't know better. That's why he's kept all these articles hidden so long; he was too embarrased" because he writes this shit all the time! Like his "Women should be forced to have their own fantasy leagues!" rant not too long ago, the prick.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 27 January 2012 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
imo simmons is who he is, don't really have enough time in my day to get all fake appalled over his dumb fratty bullshit, i mean duh of course he wrote this article
― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 January 2012 04:25 (twelve years ago) link
seriously who has that big a problem with women in a fantasy league. like yeah it sucks when someone's wife signs up b/c you didn't have enough people to run a league and winds up winning despite not knowing a single player she drafted but I think that's just because it reminds us all there is minimal skill in fantasy football and therefore bragging about how you dominated your league "for the last two years, bro" means nothing
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 04:45 (twelve years ago) link
seriously who has that big a problem with women in a fantasy league. like yeah it sucks when someone's wife signs up b/c you didn't have enough people to run a league and winds up winning despite not knowing a single player she drafted
lol well i don't know that it "sucks" but it's funny, my wife won our fantasy league for the second year in a row this year, mostly b/c she likes drew brees and is a big halo benders/beat happening fan (and therefore drafted calvin johnson.)
― omar little, Friday, 27 January 2012 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 04:49 (twelve years ago) link
time to channel my inner Simmons:
It's like, you know, that guy at the Blackjack table, who's playing horribly, hitting 14's vs. a 6, not splitting his 10's vs. a 5, and yet he's winning every hand. Meanwhile you're betting triple what he is and getting killed by 21's every time you get dealt a pair of bitches. THAT'S what my friend's wife does to this fantasy league.
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
frog bill simmons
― dayo, Friday, 27 January 2012 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
lul
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 12:27 (twelve years ago) link
frogland
― joepa mi pinga (am0n), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
and is a big halo benders/beat happening fan (and therefore drafted calvin johnson.)
― omar little, Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lmao
― call all destroyer, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I feel like there's some thread on ILX that deserves to be curated in.
― dayo, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
uh because grantland will publish one or two well written pieces that ~makes u think~ but then publish 1157 articles of shit like "what if (x) on reality show was on reality show (x)" and "why does Michael Jordan dress up as the R&B Steven Seagal?" (totally forgetting that MJ does not have the major paunch or slicked back hair or crazy bad Asian outfits for such an endeavour)
― Born To Meat Pie (King Boy Pato), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
tbf theyve been on the Simmons beat since way before grantland, they h8 him cause he was their boyhood idol but now that theyve grown theyre embarrassed of him, particularly since he did m/l invent the thing theyre doing, they admitted as much, also im sure its good 4 hits
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
lol exactly, Simmons was Deadspin before Deadspin in a way, and really one of the first sportswriters that seemed to be on the same wavelength as the fans
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
yah same wavelength as the fans was simmons credo, now days we call that 'blogging"
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
there was def something appealing about simmons in the early espn days, pre-bosox world championship when there was something universal and poetic about his sports fan pain but i feel it soon calcified into schtick and he didn't really take his style as a writer into better places. and beyond that i find his sexual politics to be really kind of nasty and cruel. he's still vastly better as a stylist than he was during the days he wrote that tennis piece.
― omar little, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
especially when you compared him to writers like Rick Reilly who were constantly moralizing everything and writing lengthy articles about issues nobody cared about. I mean BoSox fans are pretty terrible in general but at least Simmons was "one of us", so to speak
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
speaking as a boston native and someone who journeyed home to experience the red sox winning their first championship of my lifetime, bostonians were really dialed into simmons during that series, everyone was talking abt his columns, it was now that i think abt it kinda remarkable
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
his basketball writing is still good from time to time, but the schtick has long since calcified for sure
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
so long as he sticks to writing about basketball he's fine. it's when he says crap like "the Colts intentionally threw a playoff game in 2007 because they knew they weren't going to beat the Patriots anyway" when you realize that he's kind of an insufferable prick
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
feel like if youre a professional writer for long enough its hard to resist the drift towards overfit narrative and/or trolling at the expense of making sense
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
wait why did i think lagun was a yankees fan?
― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
lol dude
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
mb i'm thinking of max
― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
deadspin goes after simmons and grantland because he and it are establishment media, plain and simple
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
naw theyve got a special thing for him
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
i mean they literally published a piece owning up to a while ago
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
the best argument against him I've read was something about how ESPN and Simmons need each other, how ESPN needs Simmons to prevent themselves from looking too controlling and one-sided, as he has opinions that are often controversial and un-PC, while Simmons needs ESPN because it allows readers to feel like he actually is wittier/edgier than his Disney-sponsored articles imply
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
well he's easily the biggest sportswriter in the country, it's not crazy that they write a lot about him
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs, ESPN doesn't need simmons because he gives them an edge. ESPN needs simmons cuz he's the most popular sportswriter in america and brings in a massive readership.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
jordan what i said abt him being their idol and then them feeling weird abt it is what they said u should read it
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
it was by will lietch sometime in like the last 3 years iirc
its more about how they need a guy *like* Simmons. obviously there's nothing about BS in particular that makes him worthy of his popularity, but rather the idea that he's an ESPN-sponsored columnist who appears to be unrestricted
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, January 27, 2012 5:37 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i disagree w/ this -- if simmons left espn, his readership would follow him. if espn brought in a second rate version of simmons, that person would not do the same numbers.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, January 27, 2012 5:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
will leitch's constant self-conscious navel gazing has little to do w/ the current incarnation of deadspin
it's when he says crap like "the Colts intentionally threw a playoff game in 2007 because they knew they weren't going to beat the Patriots anyway" when you realize that he's kind of an insufferable prick
He says stuff like this about basketball ALL THE TIME
― polyphonic, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think very many people would follow frog bill simmons, even if frog bill simmons were writing for espn.com
― dayo, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
if Grantland wasn't backed by ESPN I would think it would be a miserable failure
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
If some dumb lady wants to be in my fantasy league I will happily take her money.
― polyphonic, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Friday, January 27, 2012 5:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude read the thing, it included an anecdote abt him and aj daulario and i think another deadspin guy excitedly watching the first ep of jmmy kimmel live because simmons wrote for it, he was their hero
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, January 27, 2012 5:42 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is sort of an unsolvable chicken/egg thing
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
if simmons went solo hed still do well but obvs not as good as on espn
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
like he could just have a blog and get a shit ton of hits and not have to share the money w/anyone
― lag∞n, Friday, January 27, 2012 5:53 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
of course not, which is why he's never left them. also he has the security of a salary, which is presumably very high.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
i think he probably would've left espn by now but they realized his value and agreed to let him take on two pet projects in 30 for 30 and grantland
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
i imagine hes secure many times over by now
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
yeah... i think he's said as much interviews that espn helping him do 30 for 30 was a big deal in terms of him staying there, and grantland presumably falls in the same category
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
he has a p sweet deal 4 sure
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, January 27, 2012 4:36 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
otm, despite his numerous and well-documented failings this was an amazing time. i still remember anticipating his columns like crazy.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 27 January 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
The Sox in general were fun to read about when they were perennial almosts. Now that all the Boston teams have recent titles, though...
― polyphonic, Friday, 27 January 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's actually kind of a curse for a sportswriter. nobody wants to read about the fan experience of a guy whose teams are averaging one title every 1.5 years. when the Royals finally win a World Series I can't wait to read Posnanski's article on it, even if he's senile because he'll be 250 years old
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
yah same wavelength as the fans was simmons credo, now days we call that 'blogging'
let us compare the players on a (basketball, of course) team to the brothers in 'the godfather', mix in an '80s (karate kid?) reference, and cap it by saying 'can we make this happen?'
having a regularly interesting take on sports is really hard, and churning out regular columns for decades is not something i can even imagine. but dude has become as much of a caricature as CHB and reilly.
― mookieproof, Saturday, 28 January 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
Hear me out. If LeBron James is Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now, having abandoned his side for a distant tropical outpost, occasionally sending forth increasingly strange statements via radio transmission (or in James' case, Twitter), then Kobe Bryant is Willard, leading his unhinged but capable group upriver (consider the unarmed Vietnamese family to be, for the sake of example, the Golden State Warriors in round 1.) Dwyane Wade is Dennis Hopper and Chris Bosh is the sacrificed cow, looking confused but serving a purpose nonetheless. (In this scenario Andrew Bynum is Laurence Fishburne, Pau Gasol is Frederic Forrest, Luke Walton is Sam Bottoms, Albert Hall is Phil Jackson.)
― omar little, Saturday, 28 January 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago) link
would bet that BS views apocalypse now as a pro-war movie
― dayo, Saturday, 28 January 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago) link
Dwyane Wade is Dennis Hopper and Chris Bosh is the sacrificed cow
omar little IS omar little IN ______
― mookieproof, Saturday, 28 January 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/billsimmonsarchive more to come I guess
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 January 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
i actually kinda liked his new article about starting the NBA season later until he brought up his profoundly dumb "entertaining as hell tournament" idea for the 12th time
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
i always like ideas abt how to change things
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
i think living in l.a. as a quasi-insider for the last decade has sort of rotted simmons' brain. like he can only think in marketing gimmicks now. he writes about his fucking tournament idea almost as much as he writes about actual basketball.
― circles, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7562176/the-sports-guy-nba-all-star-team
My third favorite moment was when we massaged the West's glut of quality forwards by making James Harden a guard; it was one of those "What the hell? We're in charge here!" moments where you feel like you're playing God and it's awesome.
is this backwards or?
― diln (k3vin k.), Saturday, 11 February 2012 07:00 (twelve years ago) link
pretty terrible column actually. keeps forgetting harden is a 2 for some reason
― diln (k3vin k.), Saturday, 11 February 2012 07:09 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think he watches games very much
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 11 February 2012 07:25 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i had the exact same reaction. somehow simmons convinced himself that one of the best young shooting guards in the league is a forward. like maybe he thinks harden doesn't start b/c he "plays the same postion" as durant? and he says it or implies it at least 3 times.
― circles, Saturday, 11 February 2012 07:27 (twelve years ago) link
says or implies that he's a 3 that is
I think it's embarrassing that Springsteen now has his wife front and center playing guitar with the E Street Band. There's nothing worse than someone interjecting their spouse into the creative proceedings when she didn't really earn the spot. By the way, my wife wrote this.
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
fairly good linsanity piece usual simmionsisms aside http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7579097/linsanity-bag feel like he gave the magnitude of the thing its due
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
the entire part about lebron is so utterly retarded
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
or is it lebron thats so utterly retarded, think abt it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
it takes someone who has only spent his life in boston and los angeles to not understand why someone who grew up in ohio -- even one of the best basketball players ever -- wouldn't really give that much of a shit about "owning" new york
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
anyone from new york or boston: HE COULD'VE OWNED NEW YORKanyone that grew up/lives in any other part of the united states: uhhh who gives a shit?
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
it was funny tho to see knicks fans still massive butthurt about lebron not even considering joining their decrepit franchise for a second
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like 'lebron is a pussy' is an excellent and hilarious nba meme even if it has not that much basis in reality, i support it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
also it was hilarious when the one emailer said that the knicks have a legit shot of winning the nba title
if lebron had gone to new york everyone wouldve been complaining abt him being an egomaniac moviestar wannabe or w/e, lol he cannot win, because hes a pussy
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbf people who dont give a shit abt new york or owning new york have no taste
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
fair enough
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:16 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
of course if anyone is interested in srsly understanding the situation, which simmons is clearly not, this is the key piece of info
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/VuVhb.jpg
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
where the heat are clearly one of the best organizations
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
anyway most of the rest of the piece i thought was p good!
yeah it was cool
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
one of his best in a while for sure.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
I grew up in San Diego but I would kind of like to own New York.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
who the fuck wouldnt like to own new york, it would be p rad, i mean owning cleveland what does that even get you, owning miami would be sweet but you cant do that via basketball since no one give a shit
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
who owns ny right now, eli?
― max, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i guess j lin
but feels like hes kinda borrowing it
this is a compelling question
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
gotta be eli
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
evidence: http://deadspin.com/5885495/who-are-new-yorks-most-exclusive-restaurants-more-eager-to-seat-jeremy-lin-or-eli-manning-deadspin-investigates
― max, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
eli clearly doesnt care to own new york, and doesnt have the persona for it, just not a match - lin yeah im sure everyone knows is not epic enough to own ny but they still really vibe to him - a non athlete can own ny too of course but im not sure who thatd be
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
me
― max, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
o right how could i forget max
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
also Eli plays in jersey lets not forget
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Thursday, 16 February 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
kinda feel like jeter still owns ny even if hes just grandfathered in at this point
― doc has never told me nothing that wasn't true (agent hibachi), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the point simmons weirdly overlooked in that lebron discussion is that in order to own nyc he would have to join the *knicks* which is its own thing
― doc has never told me nothing that wasn't true (agent hibachi), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
i thought that was part of his point, that he could own nyc because he'd make the knicks a legit franchise
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
lmao i like the idea of lebron moving to nyc and owning it without actually joining the knicks
― max, Saturday, 18 February 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
this thread made me watch j Lin highlights so thx dudes
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Saturday, 18 February 2012 03:23 (twelve years ago) link
what did we think of this
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7604660/the-danny-ainge-anniversary-party
― pre-tennis ball head-era chris brown (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
poor
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
Only 12 months ago, Danny's Celtics were the favorites to win the 2011 NBA title. That didn't stop you from trading your starting center and defensive anchor for a bench player who never fit in and a draft pick you'll almost definitely screw up.
i mean what srsly i do not recall it that way
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
Rondo: "Danny, we built our championship team around the African word 'Ubuntu,' which means 'togetherness.' We trusted each other and believed in each other."
Perk: "And in our coach."
Rondo: "That bond held for nearly three and a half years. Then, you took that word and flushed it down the toilet by trading Perk, my best friend and someone who loved being a Celtic more than anyone."
pffft
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
the celtics had a great run won a championship came w/in one quarter of winning another then got old like everyone knew they were going to
c's had the best record early last year but everyone thought that was spurs-esque, heat were the favorites from the minute The Decision ended
― doc has never told me nothing that wasn't true (agent hibachi), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
simmions srsly thinks the celtics can make trades and turn into a title contender, the mind boggles
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
i mean m all for blowing it up but not to trade for odom and marion wtf, blow it up and start over
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
xposted from other thread:
xp it was a wacky column for sure. i can kinda sympathize from a c's fan perspective because we knew the window was closing but that doesn't make it any easier.
i do agree with him that if the plan is to do nothing in season and make it happen later with the cap space and 2 draft picks that is......scary
― call all destroyer, Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
Presti: "Look at your new team — Gasol, Brandon Bass, Marion, Pierce and Mo Williams as starters, with Odom, Wilcox, Pietrus and Bradley as your first four subs. If Gasol and Odom get going, that's a dangerous 6-seed in the East, right?"
lol how did we even get here, this is a portrait of mental illness
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:24 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah his goal seems to be to make the playoffs as an atlanta-type team for the rest of pierce's contract which is a weird goal
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
also no mention of the baby for bass trade which im p sure was a good move that happened in the last four years
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
that's a horrible starting lineup too!
yeah that crazytown team has three power forwards and pierce moving to the 2 plus a bunch of garbage off the bench
― doc has never told me nothing that wasn't true (agent hibachi), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
they would get obliterated by every remotely fast guard
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
and im sorry cuban knows whats up, he's playing with house money with marion right now and then he's gonna get dumped for cap space after this year, that's not a guy i would go near other than as a depth rental
― doc has never told me nothing that wasn't true (agent hibachi), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
this column is the 'whitney was killed by the illuminati let me connect the dots 4 u' of the nba, the logic is so convoluted and lacking in any perspective its impossible to know where to start untangling it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
― doc has never told me nothing that wasn't true (agent hibachi), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i remember after the ray & kg trades everyone was like welp they have a two year window at best before the wheels come off and they were a perk knee away from the 2010 chip
i think ainge would have blown it up completely last summer but with the lockout it kind of made more sense to patch it together and let the old dudes roll one more time, which i am fine with
― doc has never told me nothing that wasn't true (agent hibachi), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
its funny he chose sam presti as his avatar considering making tons crazy trades for old players is v much not his approach, however blowing up an old team and starting over from scratch w/tons cap room and draft picks is, thats how i could tell it want really presti talking it was simmons
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
portrait of mental illness otm, I have an image of simmons in a straitjacket dictating to a poor intern at the grantland office, perhaps simmons is wearing a hannibal mask
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
someone really should hire simmons as their gm, for lolz
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
"a portrait of mental illness" is so otm
― pre-tennis ball head-era chris brown (J0rdan S.), Friday, 24 February 2012 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
20 min podcast w/dirk is worth listening to--dirk is such a chill guy.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 24 February 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
i was into that celtics column up until he used perk & rondo as his mouthpiece for being butthurt over "sports being a business" or whatever
― J0rdan S., Friday, 24 February 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
yah its kinda telling that the whole thing hinges on this supposedly powerful emotional element, because it makes no sense from a basketball pov, Perkins was injured and playing like shit and has continued to be injured and playing like shit while rondo has continued to play at a high level and even improve somewhat
― lag∞n, Friday, 24 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
it's hilarious that someone who has almost built his entire identity around concocting "bold" and franchise-altering trades wrote an entire column that boiled down to "the gm of my favorite team made a trade that enforced that sports is a business"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 24 February 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
i thought the celtics were unbutu but it turns out theyre windows
― lag∞n, Friday, 24 February 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
more like ubuntough shit, you've been traded!
― J0rdan S., Friday, 24 February 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
yes!
― lag∞n, Friday, 24 February 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/18687/b-s-report-barack-obama
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:15 (twelve years ago) link
B.J. Steiner @DocZeus All I want to know is if Simmons brought up his Entertaining As Hell Tournament with the President?
― lag∞n, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
"President Obama visits the B.S. Report to talk the Bulls, college football playoffs, and his favorite Wire character."
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
according to google it is omar
― lag∞n, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
bill simmons kind of wields an insane amount of power, i am concerned
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
we r doomed
― lag∞n, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
The interview is engaging enough, I think.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
turn back before its too late
― lag∞n, Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
obama has league pass!
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
:)
― lag∞n, Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
he pays for it himself tho
― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like all 300 million people of america would be willing to chip in for him to get league pass for free, it would be like .00000000001 cent each, yes we can
i would check the "do you want 1 penny to go to the president's league pass" box on my tax return for sure
― doc has never told me nothing that wasn't true (agent hibachi), Thursday, 1 March 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
"i've got another five years here"
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 1 March 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/05/03/espns.bill.simmons.has.withdraw.nba.mvp.vote.due.gambling
― dharunravir (k3vin k.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
ha
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
bill simmowned
― arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Friday, 4 May 2012 11:22 (eleven years ago) link
can't wait for this dude to have a fall from grace, but I have a feeling it won't bc popular sports writers just keeping sucking for decades until they die
― arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Friday, 4 May 2012 11:23 (eleven years ago) link
eh i don't really feel like he deserves any sort of comeuppance
― dharunravir (k3vin k.), Friday, 4 May 2012 12:11 (eleven years ago) link
looks like Simmons didn't even know he had a vote until the season was nearly over, so yeah there are some questions that need to be asked here, but this is basically a non-story
i'm not really a big fan; I just feel he's way past his "sell by" date, even though I admit in the past, when I didn't know how clueless he could be, I did like his articles quite a bit
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
there's only so many Karate Kid references one man can make
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 5 May 2012 07:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8026268/the-consequences-caring
truly very good piece
― the route is ban (k3vin k.), Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
i was disappointed that there wasn't more about the basketball game, but yeah
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah wow
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 9 June 2012 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
occasionally, he's still got it in a way no one else does:
It's not about watching your team win the Cup as much as that moment when you wake up thinking, In 12 hours, I might watch my team win the Cup. It's about sitting in the same chair for Game 5 because that chair worked for you in Game 3 and Game 4, and somehow, this has to mean something. It's about using a urinal between periods, realizing that you're peeing on a Devils card, then eventually realizing that some evil genius placed Devils cards in every single urinal. It's about leaning out of a window to yell at people wearing the same jersey as you, and it's about noticing an airport security guy staring at your Celtics jersey and knowing he'll say, "You think they win tonight?" before he does. It's about being an NBA fan but avoiding this year's Western Conference finals because you still can't believe they ripped your team away, and it's about crying after that same series because you can't believe your little unassuming city might win the title. It's about posing for pictures before a Stanley Cup clincher, then regretting after the fact that you did. It's about two strangers watching you cry at a stoplight. It's black and white, but it's not.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 9 June 2012 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
the car accident bit was super otm too, it even felt like that at home, just weird numbing shock at what lebron did
― doc has never told me nothing that wasn't true (agent hibachi), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:06 (eleven years ago) link
Then I remembered something. Sports is a metaphor for life.
*thinks deeply, cries at a childs pain*
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:27 (eleven years ago) link
wow simmons really likes this "mike and the mad dog" show that i had never heard of until about a month ago.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
#SNRUB
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
big reveal that francessa at least brought up w/ simmons abt replacing dog -- wouldve been crazy, francessas pop culture references are like gary cooper & john wayne
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
francesca is the fucking worst
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iFhZSy2Cno
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
and the true masterpiece of awfulness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfdc8n93Mfs
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
i do not think this word means what you think it means xp
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
i first had the francesa experience when he was a studio commentator for college basketball (cbs? espn?) sometime in the 90s. i recall him being totally clueless yet you could tell that under the surface he was just waiting for an excuse to start screaming JOHNNIES, BABY
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
the lawr of fungibility
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
i mean im not gonna really defend him, hes a clown in a lot of ways, but if you dont think hes better than every single espn talking head pti around the horn personality than i just dont know
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
based on my limited experience of such matters, that is quite a low bar
i think the question is more why any of them have jobs when we have so many sports geniuses here on ilx (srsly). it isn't because they're good-looking.
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:06 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think they at least have some knuckleheads on ESPN who wouldn't have the shamelessness to attempt what Francesa does in the Albuquerque clip.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
like skip bayless?
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 01:58 (eleven years ago) link
that fungibility clip is just priceless i really recommend watching the whole thing for anyone on the fence
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 02:02 (eleven years ago) link
xxp oh hes undeniably v pompous & will never admit hes wrong or doesnt know something - i guess if that is the major/only criteria 4 u then by all means enjoy tim cowlishaw
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure this is one of the few things that i have no interest in reading an oral history of
― High powered Texas lawyer (symsymsym), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 05:15 (eleven years ago) link
Someone should do an oral history of oral histories
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0720/NBA_thrones_g_mp_576.jpg
What does an offseason when 29 franchises take aim at NBA royalty have to do with a mythical land of swords and dragons? Well, everything. Bill Simmons explains. Part 1| Part 2
― omar little, Friday, 20 July 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
man, these last few columns have been dreadful...the Game of Thrones gimmick is stupid (I didn't like it when he did it for the Wire either, yet another show that he originally vowed he'd never watch then later wouldn't shut up about it), and his latest about how LaDainian Tomlinson's real legacy is going to be his fantasy numbers is just embarrassing, hey I like fantasy football too, but come on
― frogbs, Thursday, 26 July 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
And he's slowed down to like one column per month for some reason. Probably saving his strength for when football arrives.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 26 July 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
no teams from Boston are active atm
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
plus he has an empire to oversee.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
zing xp
he doesn't care about anything but the nba tbh
― mookieproof, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
there was like half a day last week where there were zero baseball stories on the front page of grantland. this is the middle of baseball season, and it was all football, basketball, olympics, and pop culture
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
if the bruins are good Simmons remembers that he's a hockey expert
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
What Frank Ocean, Against Me!'s Laura Jane Grace, and Passion Pit's Michael Angelakos Have in CommonToday 4:30 PM ET
Man, sports journalism will never be the same
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 27 July 2012 00:27 (eleven years ago) link
his piece about attending a (los angeles) kings game during the nba lockout was pvmic in how it started out about hockey, sort of, but was actually another of his endless missives about how the nba should work ("can we do this?")
it's on a par with wilbon, who when with the wapo apparently felt obligated to write a column about the caps every year or so. they invariably compared ovechkin to mj, of course.
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
What Frank Ocean, Against Me!'s Laura Jane Grace, and Passion Pit's Michael Angelakos Have in Common
i like reading this headline as if the three of them have hidden things in common's body
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
imao 'i put a fork in there' --laura jane grace
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:23 (eleven years ago) link
― johnny crunch, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
tbf the gaslight anthem piece was otm
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8247505
jay caspian king = http://lh3.ggpht.com/-oIqKUvbCGAA/SqKcFEmo_8I/AAAAAAAABhw/i8_J7fcyj60/buffy_wb_081_wwwhqparadisehu.jpg
andrew from the trio
― k3vin k., Thursday, 9 August 2012 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
*kang
― k3vin k., Thursday, 9 August 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
If scientists could create basketball-playing robots from scratch and were asked to create someone to play with Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant and Nash, basically, they would create Dwight Howard: a ridiculously strong shot blocker/rebounder who can run the floor and doesn't need the ball to be happy.
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 11 August 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
WINNER: Steve Nash Went from playing with 11 bench guys on a lottery team to playing with Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant on a title favorite. Remember SNL's "Orgasm Guy" sketches with Rob Schneider? I think that was Steve Nash this morning when he woke up and found out about this trade.
HA! The king of references does it again!
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 11 August 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
obviously some hyperbole there but how can you say Dwight isn't a ridiculous fit for this team
― frogbs, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
Remember SNL's "Orgasm Guy" sketches with Rob Schneider?
embarrassed for my generation
― mookieproof, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
― frogbs, Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink "doesn't need the ball to be happy" is just pure wrongness
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 12 August 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
Dwight needs candy to be happy, not the ball iirc
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 August 2012 06:52 (eleven years ago) link
Howard touched the ball only six times on offense in the fourth quarter, with one of those coming from his own offensive rebound. Despite Orlando’s 99-94 win over the Bucks, Howard made it clear that this is not the role he wants. “I do want the ball more in the fourth quarter,” a frustrated Howard said. “I want to become a closer. The only way you get there is by getting the ball and have coach have the confidence in giving me the ball. That’s how Kobe (Bryant) and the rest of the great fourth-quarter players got that way. It’s trial and error. When Kobe first got in the league, it took him a while to become the killer he is in the fourth quarter now. That’s because he went through that phase where he had to learn what shots to take and just get confidence in taking shots in the fourth quarter.”
“That’s one thing that I want for myself, so I can become the guy who finishes games for my team. I want to be that guy whose team wants him to close games out for them. Coach just needs to have confidence in me … Just run plays through me, so I can be comfortable in being the guy and have confidence in getting the ball late in the game and scoring,” Howard said. “That’s what I’m worth. I want to be that guy who controls games. As a kid, that’s what you dream about in the NBA, taking that shot. I want to do that. I’m the leader of the team. Ride my back. I’ll lead. I don’t care if I miss every single shot, I’m going to continue to play hard. Just get on my back. That’s why they call me Superman.”
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 12 August 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Though I guess if he wants to shoot in the fourth quarter he should learn to shoot.
― Clay, Sunday, 12 August 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
matt offtm. It's not like Howard wanted to chuck threes like Bynum. He'll be fine. He wants to play inside out basketball, and if he can develop that ability the Lakers will be even tougher.
What he really needs to work on is ft shooting though. Bynum is a much better shooter in general.
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Sunday, 12 August 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
he wants to play inside out basketball, i.e. he wants the ball in his hands.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 12 August 2012 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
but according to BSimm he's totally cool being Joakim Noah or something
up late writing his fungibility thesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAONQyJWC-8
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
"You have an amazing gift this NFL season that needs to be exploited in massive capacities. In your first three NFL pieces, you have been incredibly wrong. You have not just been wrong, you have predicted the direct opposite of what actually happened. Do you think you should just write the opposite of what you are thinking or do you think once you write it, even if its the opposite of what you are thinking the opposite of that will happen therefore what you are thinking actually happens."
― johnny crunch, Friday, 14 September 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!
Simmons is joining the NBA Countdown team. Just when I thought that show couldn't get worse. Magic, Wilbon, Simmons and Jalen.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 18 October 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
they were originally revamping it w/ simmons & stan van as the centerpieces -- which would've been incredible -- but stern allegedly put the kibosh on SVG's involvement
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 October 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
I'd love Stan on it. But that crew? You're fucking kidding me. The God of Vapid facepalms at those empty heads.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 18 October 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
bill simmons' transition from a pure writer into an actual talking head whose voice we have to hear, has been one of the most infuriating things to have been witness to of the last couple of years
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 October 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
Not as infuriating as his talking head status meaning we get to hear from his friends like Jackoff and the human garbage disposal.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 18 October 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
--but stern allegedly put the kibosh on SVG's involvement--
SERIOUSLY?
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 18 October 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
his podcast would definitely be about 5x better if he didn't sound like that
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 October 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/10/did-david-stern-put-the-kibosh-on-stan-van-gundy-joining-espns-nba-countdown/
xp
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 October 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
its funny because simmons has been complaining abt how his voice is terrible forever and its true
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
lol stern is such a gangster
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
Dammit I love the Van Gundy Bros. Thanks for the link. Stern can do one.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 18 October 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
every week I watch boardwalk empire and every week when Nucky seems inscrutable I remind myself "dude he is not inscrutable, he's the original Stern, that's all."
― Clay, Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
simmons should smoke a pack of reds a day, or maybe two packs, that might make his voice more bearable
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
The Cousin Sal imitation is far to on the money.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
i actually enjoy the podcast jalen rose does now and then but hes kind of stiff on tv and that is an awful, awful lineup of talking heads
― questionable motor (agent hibachi), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
I like jalen
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
I hate Jalen's podcast. But he seems like a bro.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
simmons is gonna be insufferable w the comedy routine
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
"so this is like when..."
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
magic is gonna have to watch road house to get ready
― questionable motor (agent hibachi), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
lol yeah
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:52 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
if you didn't hear the one where he told the patrick ewing vcr story at least go track that down
― questionable motor (agent hibachi), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
tell us the story
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
jalen was mad at ewing for some reason-- hard foul in a game i think or something-- but obviously wasn't going to pick a fight. somewhere in the arena after the game he saw ewing's COMBINATION TV/VCR rig with the team's stuff ready to be loaded on the bus or plane. so...he stole it.
― questionable motor (agent hibachi), Thursday, 18 October 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
hahahaha
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 October 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
oh and think it was in some big transport rig a la band equipment - so it obviously huge and also labeled with ewing's name
obviously funnier when he actually tells it
― questionable motor (agent hibachi), Thursday, 18 October 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
hah!
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
Simmons fan, Star Trek fan, or the man himself?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7vyG51CIAEvGpK.jpg
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
― Good job, good multiple efforts (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
would have had mucho respect for Simmons had he run this BEFORE the deer antler story but still, kinda ballsy
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8904906/daring-ask-ped-question
― frogbs, Friday, 1 February 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
eh don't care about PEDs
― manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 February 2013 00:47 (eleven years ago) link
i have no idea what his point was (as usual these days when he tries to be serious)
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 2 February 2013 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
his point was fair enough, we're inconsistent in how we judge ppl about PEDs - assholes like lance barry and a-rod are suspect but we don't care about AD or peyty because we like them - i just think talking about PEDs even more than we already do is just asking for a sports world completely devoid of joy. there are better issues to moralize about
― manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 February 2013 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
feel like there's no much point in suspecting everyone who is capable of amazing sports accomplishments bc then you might as well stop watching (and his "list" seems to cover everyone who's not a mediocrity.)
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 2 February 2013 00:59 (eleven years ago) link
- there are two sports guys- espn sports guy shies away from discussing peds- old school sports guy wants to discuss them. can we make this happen?- he thinks ray lewis is a cheater- he thinks adrian peterson is clean- what a world, that doubt can be cast upon our noblest performers
― mookieproof, Saturday, 2 February 2013 00:59 (eleven years ago) link
he didn't make this point, but dudes who tear their triceps and miss entire seasons are at significant risk of losing their jobs, while dudes who use deer antler spray are apparently rather less so
― mookieproof, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:02 (eleven years ago) link
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, February 1, 2013 7:59 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
exactly
― manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:04 (eleven years ago) link
he has a pretty clear point imo. It's that we could enforce stricter or more effective drug testing but we don't want to in part (and this is his main point) the media chooses to overlook the elephant in the room.
― ryan, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
missing a "because" in there
wait what's the elephant in the room?
(NB i skipped the last third of it)
― manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
that many of the accomplishments and quick recoveries that the sports media likes to hype are phony because of PEDs.
― ryan, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
oh right, that's basically what i said. it's ok when cool ppl do it but bad when assholes do
― manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
tbf the sports media is the fucking worst, elephants or no
― mookieproof, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
he also gets into the grey areas of, like, why is putting a testosterone patch on your testicles this unforgivable sin but cutting-edge performance-enhancing medical techniques is just part of an athlete's life.
i mean if you take the anti-PED thing to it's logical conclusion we'd really never let an athlete come back from surgery.
― Clay, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
I thought Kobe going to Germany to get stem cells was something that should probably be illegal, but what do I know
who knows. maybe Jordan was 'roiding the whole time. hooo boy would that shut some people up
― frogbs, Sunday, 3 February 2013 02:12 (eleven years ago) link
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18l9v3yk1g0lfgif/k-bigpic.gif
― brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 April 2013 22:21 (ten years ago) link
― mookieproof, Sunday, 21 April 2013 22:24 (ten years ago) link
generally about the quality of his output these days
― joe smith avatar (agent hibachi), Monday, 22 April 2013 12:36 (ten years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9261768/nba-trade-value-part-3
this is pretty terrible halfway through
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Saturday, 11 May 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link
he overrates steph altho steph's contract is insane
also always will and always has overrated carmelo
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 11 May 2013 22:46 (ten years ago) link
yeah the melo section is just completely religious. you wouldn't trade melo for cp3 straight up? and his griffin "oh noes his per-game scoring and rebounding averages are down" shit i assumed was beneath him
if steph plays anything like this on that contract #3 is totally defensible tho
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Saturday, 11 May 2013 22:50 (ten years ago) link
he remains otm about harden though
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:01 (ten years ago) link
he didn't quite make a case for why he put westbrook over him though
i think it's close
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:03 (ten years ago) link
it is just shameful that there are people who still apologize for that trade btw. just indefensible on any level
― 'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:29 (ten years ago) link
yeah, truly
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:31 (ten years ago) link
i think part of the problem -- in presti's defense -- is that harden was underrated around the league. if the wizards and warriors both turned down offers, they're nuts.
SIIIIMMMMOONNNNSSSS!!!!
How'd We Fix It: The Lakers
It's actually worse than you would expect an article from him with that title to be.
I'm like a cross between the Wolf, Olivia Pope and Jerry West. Or I like to think that I am.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 21:21 (ten years ago) link
Last week, an L.A. reader named Jake B. even compared him to Tommy Boy, followed by me being unable to figure out if that was a bigger insult to Jimmy Buss or to Tommy Boy.
cool story
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 21:26 (ten years ago) link
Tim Marchman @timmarchman 3h
There are over 50 uses of I, I'm, me, and my in this column. http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9466869/lakers …
― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 July 2013 00:04 (ten years ago) link
it's a good article f the haters
― k3vin k., Thursday, 11 July 2013 12:53 (ten years ago) link
50 doesn't seem like that many uses for a guy who has always written 1000s of words in the first person
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 11 July 2013 12:59 (ten years ago) link
well the point that he makes about the Bucks is definitely true and quite frustrating
― frogbs, Thursday, 11 July 2013 13:22 (ten years ago) link
lol? http://deadspin.com/sources-magic-johnson-left-espn-because-of-bill-simmon-1443543687
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 October 2013 19:24 (ten years ago) link
even tho i dont care for him much its kinda awesome how this guy who used to joke fantasize abt controlling espn now controls espn
Celtics beat Lakers yet again
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 October 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 October 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link
lmao polyphonic
― Me & Mahomies (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:13 (ten years ago) link
PRAISE SIMMONS
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:18 (ten years ago) link
magic and wilbon were completely and totally insufferable
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:19 (ten years ago) link
Im not a huge fan but he is better than anyone else on that show no doubt. Magic was the worst he can be gone and stay gone faic.
― Me & Mahomies (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:20 (ten years ago) link
yeah magic and wilbon are terrible
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:31 (ten years ago) link
Replacing Wilbon with Doris Burke is a huge upgrade imo
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:38 (ten years ago) link
<3 doris
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:41 (ten years ago) link
does that mean less doris doing games tho?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
Doris is cool if a little dry but yah big upgrade. Also Doug Collins back is alright.
― Me & Mahomies (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
a good bit would be trolling collins ocd
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link
Ha for sure
― Me & Mahomies (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 10 October 2013 21:12 (ten years ago) link
as you can see theres 12 seconds left on the clock when he takes the shot, theres 12.7 seconds left
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 October 2013 21:15 (ten years ago) link
finishing out quarters strong is no more important than starting them strong
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 October 2013 21:16 (ten years ago) link
thats 6 six point swing, it was actually a 7 seven point swing
― Clay, Thursday, 10 October 2013 22:30 (ten years ago) link
somehow he managed to be a douchebag and a hero at once with this
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Thursday, 10 October 2013 23:07 (ten years ago) link
haha yes perfect
― Me & Mahomies (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 10 October 2013 23:08 (ten years ago) link
doris and doug collins are huge huge upgrades over wilbon and magic tho
i wonder if hes going to install an actual host or what since simmons himself is awful at that part
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Thursday, 10 October 2013 23:09 (ten years ago) link
i have to say i figured he would just walk given that he spent all year plus the summer complaining about the show
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Thursday, 10 October 2013 23:10 (ten years ago) link
what would he be with nothing to complain about
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 October 2013 23:13 (ten years ago) link
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20131013/bill-simmons-magic-johnson-espn-media-circus/?xid=nl_siextra
― balls, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 03:47 (ten years ago) link
doris is great. she actually seems human
― Nhex, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 04:47 (ten years ago) link
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/espns-bill-simmons-connor-schell-667292
― balls, Saturday, 21 December 2013 04:59 (ten years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcHnb-dCIAA0dBz.jpg
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 21:28 (ten years ago) link
there was a preview of that w/ that pull quote followed immed by a prev for the jon hamm indian mlb pitcher thing which simmons produced or smething right? spreading the brand p thin now
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 22:52 (ten years ago) link
grantland got a redesign, its pretty bad
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link
yeah it sucks but i always say that about new designs so we'll see
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:09 (ten years ago) link
yeah i always liked the simplicity of the old design (esp w/ adblocker) but this is understandable, does a better job of promoting all their content or whatever. mainly just relieved they haven't gone to that 'this will look like garbage if you're not reading it on a tablet' design new republic and a bunch of others have adopted.
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:14 (ten years ago) link
i liked the old design, never had trouble finding anything. it looks more cluttered now.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link
yeah their old design was more in keeping w recent white space and readability trends, tho they werent really clever or detail oriented enough to fit that much content in there, the new one has tons of content but is a total mess and a definite step backward as far as the evolution of web design, and its got a bunch of really corny lowest common denominator details, especially that sticky top stories box in the margin my god what is this techcrunch, nagl for a publication trying to brand themselves as quality
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/w4YI62E.png
lets get some of those full width images everyone has nowok cool good idea what if the headline overlapped that in a odd haphazard waygreat and we can add some navigation above that where if youre reading the most recent feature there will be an awkward empty space
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link
ugh @ all that ugly white space after the article title & summary
― Clay, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:29 (ten years ago) link
oh also you know those side notes that are kind our thing lets just cram em in there lol
http://i.imgur.com/TxAa4Ok.png
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:29 (ten years ago) link
o it definitely feels like a step back
xpost jeez thought it was just the splash page or whatever, didn't know they'd fucked up the actual readability of the posts now
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:31 (ten years ago) link
over 34K ppl follow jacko on twitter. wtf.
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:33 (ten years ago) link
i don't have that weird overlap with the headline on my comp
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:37 (ten years ago) link
oh n/m i didn't realize it was on the feature page, not the homepage
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:38 (ten years ago) link
are you looking at the article page or the home page ha xp tech support is reading yr mind
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:39 (ten years ago) link
hahaha yeah the article page redesign is horrific
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link
its like the opposite of what the times did w their redesign, like its fine i guess to try and just cram everything into the home page but the article pages shd be designed to maximize readability otherwise people arent going to like reading yr articles and they wont even know why theyll just not like you
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:42 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:29 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
They used to turn into footnotes on tablets and they still do only now no "jump" link to return to the article sure ill scroll up 10k words after I read this one line DJ mbenga joke actually nope
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:52 (ten years ago) link
the whole thing is just so dumb, do not have notes of any kind unless you have a ton of sources to site its v annoying and pointless
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link
obvs its not hard to imagine simmons brainstorming ways to fit more inane asides into his writing
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:58 (ten years ago) link
i don't read much grantland other than simmons or lowe but lowe could really do without the footnotes anyway, actually he should basically stick to x's and o's i basically hate every opinion he has
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 04:38 (ten years ago) link
that basically how i break it down to an extent
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 04:39 (ten years ago) link
hate the footnotes because they don't work in my offline reading app where i pretend i am going to read things later
― Clay, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 04:41 (ten years ago) link
'it hurts so much that we failed [our asshole writer]'
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 01:10 (ten years ago) link
people said mean things to him on the tweets
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 01:12 (ten years ago) link
Grantland looks like a 1999 website now
― 龜, Friday, 24 January 2014 06:08 (ten years ago) link
yeah major step back
― Spottie, Friday, 24 January 2014 06:18 (ten years ago) link
its bad
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
yeah the entire aesthetic of this is terrible, and not in a "way different but you'll get used to it" kind of way
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
its designed to cram as much stuff as possible in there w any concern for the reading experience or visual hierarchy or anything, and it does look very specifically dated for sure
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
"content everywhere" is such a bad design but I guess the intent is to get the most clicks-on-page so whatever works I guess
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
clicks on clicks on clicks
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 15:17 (ten years ago) link
wonder if grantland wasnt doing as well as espn wouldve liked and they forced this design on them cause iirc simmons explained a lil bit of the original design and he seemed to understand re user experience and readability, which i think most writers do
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
but even if youre determined to cram all the clicks in there this is just really poor execution, like look at buzzfeed they have tons of shit everywhere but its way more user friendly than this
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link
i will not look at buzzfeed
― k3vin k., Friday, 24 January 2014 15:28 (ten years ago) link
you know youre a 90s kid when you wont look at buzzfeed
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
I really liked the old site, one of my favorites on the whole internetz
― Spottie, Friday, 24 January 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
the old site was good from a readability pov but imo but kinda lacked attention to detail otherwise, obvs the whole olde timey aesthetic is total garbage too but w/e
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
yeah v readable
― Spottie, Friday, 24 January 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link
oh wow theyre showing preload ads now too
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link
the hipster design aesthetic was trendy yeah but the articles just read so nicely
― Spottie, Friday, 24 January 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
ya thats by far the most important thing
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
that and ease of navigation
and fast loading
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
I hate sidebar footnotes but yeah I liked the old design a lot
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
i thought the old design was awesome, very readable who cares about the rest
― k3vin k., Friday, 24 January 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
it couldve been even more cooler and you wouldve liked it
― puple prijan (lag∞n), Friday, 24 January 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
why does anybody redesign anything
― Clay, Friday, 24 January 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link
speaking of, the new espn app is a disaster. more for usability reasons tho
― Spottie, Friday, 24 January 2014 21:01 (ten years ago) link
Speaking of Perkins, I enjoyed this e-mail from Kyle Leonard in OKC: “Every day when I get home from work and look at my DVR, there it still sits — four hours straight of ‘Grammys Live from the Red Carpet’ that my girlfriend is not ready to delete in case she needs to ‘go back and look at someone’s outfit’ (unreal). It drives me crazy every time I look at it. But then I realized something. Having that recording on my DVR is actually a possible asset. Just think of all the space I will have once I amnesty it off my DVR queue. So I just renamed it ‘Kendrick Perkins’ and now it’s not quite as bad when I look at it.”
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 03:14 (ten years ago) link
total package
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link
In fact, it was Simmons' father who nudged Silver into locking in the deal with ESPN over the other media entities he was considering. "Right when Nate was deciding what to do, he happened to be in San Antonio, and he was going to the [NBA Finals] game, and my dad got two tickets from the NBA, so we hooked him up with the passes and things like that, it's when he kind of realized that it would be really cool to work for ESPN," he says. A courtside seat and a pep talk from a proud Boston parent later, and Silver was won over.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 15 March 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
ha no
― lag∞n, Saturday, 15 March 2014 14:18 (ten years ago) link
http://sports.politicususa.com/2013/07/27/bill-simmons-evolution-the-sports-guy-insufferable-sports-pundit.html
old article, but holy crap did this really happen?
Also, something else about Simmons that has become overly annoying is that he is always looking for a unified theory of WHY THINGS HAPPEN. A perfect example of this was after Game 3 of the San Antonio/Memphis series in the NBA Playoffs this year. On the postgame show, when discussing the crowd’s reaction when Memphis got behind in the game, Simmons tied in the 1968 assassination of MLK in the city. Basically, he said that because of the tragic events 45 years ago in their city, the crowd just knew something bad was happening, and it caused them to go quiet. If you read his writing, you’ll notice dozens of these theories that he throws out there, trying to position himself as some next-level thinker.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Monday, 12 May 2014 03:59 (nine years ago) link
Bill Simmons is the Alex Jones of sports writing
― 龜, Monday, 12 May 2014 04:00 (nine years ago) link
I think he got that move from klosterman.
― ryan, Monday, 12 May 2014 04:39 (nine years ago) link
Is Michael Wilbon really considered as bad as Skip Bayless or Bill Simmons? I guess you can lump them all in as "sports pundits", but...
MLK assassination thing astounding though
― Nhex, Monday, 12 May 2014 14:28 (nine years ago) link
I have really disliked him on TV in the playoffs so far. He says stupid obvious shit and repeats it over and over again, interrupting people who have more substantive things to say.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Monday, 12 May 2014 14:37 (nine years ago) link
NBA draft article was really the only thing worth reading.
― Jeff, Monday, 12 May 2014 14:43 (nine years ago) link
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:59 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://deadspin.com/oh-tim-youre-so-naive-the-cavs-lebrons-former-team-1579579873
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:58 (nine years ago) link
sry that comment is lol but meant to link to the main video http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-lays-out-nonsensical-theory-about-lebron-j-1579566715
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link
Listening to Bill Simmons shouting nonsense while Sage Steele is trying to make a point is really unfun.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link
He needs to not be... there.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:06 (nine years ago) link
yeah a show of sage steele, jalen rose, and doug collins is definitely my idea of good TV
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:37 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/bill-simmons-ventures-into-interdimensional-vortex,36205
courtesy bill magill
― mookieproof, Friday, 6 June 2014 23:30 (nine years ago) link
“No one is questioning his skills, but he just doesn’t have that killer instinct that Jordan had,” Simmons said as a team of five 28-year-old Michael Jordans defeated five 28-year-old LeBron Jameses—a discovery that led the Grantland editor-in-chief to conclude that the Jordans were “clearly playing in full-blown ‘Eff You’ mode.”
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 June 2014 23:37 (nine years ago) link
eff you mode
has he said this yet on tv
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 June 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
5 Lebrons beats the crap out of 5 Jordans IMO
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 7 June 2014 19:06 (nine years ago) link
brons size wld be p tuff for jordan to overcome
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 June 2014 19:21 (nine years ago) link
yeah i'll go jordan over lebron til i die but a team of lebrons beats a team of jordans. now vs a team of mini ditkas i don't know.
― balls, Saturday, 7 June 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link
basketblol
― mookieproof, Saturday, 7 June 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/itLDbW8.jpg
One of the better Onion photoshops
― 龜, Saturday, 7 June 2014 20:01 (nine years ago) link
NBAHaus @NBAHaus 3mI feel like @BillSimmons tells Doug and Jalen his ideas before the show. Doug and Jalen tell him "Not a good idea".. Bill proceeds #NBA
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 June 2014 01:11 (nine years ago) link
Rizz @Rizzmigizz 12m"It's almost like ___" - Bill Simmons
bill simmons is trending
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 June 2014 01:12 (nine years ago) link
John Lurie @lurie_john 2mBill Simmons is trending because he has been replaced by an actual Talking Gerbil.
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/6/13/5806496/sage-steele-bill-simmons-espn-head-shake
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 June 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link
i cldnt get through the whole thing but its just astounding how much bill simmons americas biggest sports writer a guy who gets paid to talk abt basketball on tv whole steez is just talking nonsense http://grantland.com/features/24-lingering-questions-from-the-nba-finals
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 June 2014 12:31 (nine years ago) link
It's a great gig to have.
― Jeff, Thursday, 19 June 2014 12:33 (nine years ago) link
like comparing kawhi to pippen
Since Pippen was a 22-year-old rookie, Kawhi got a two-year career jump on him. But Pippen was Chicago’s backup playmaker, so he handled the ball way more than Leonard does (hence, more points and more assists). If you look at Kawhi’s first three playoff years …
writing off pippens superior stats cause he was was Chicago’s backup playmaker, in the nba thats a desirable skill ffs one of many pippen had that kawhi does not, its like saying oh he only had more points cause he was a better shooter, this guy
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 June 2014 12:39 (nine years ago) link
i understand he compared the spurs to the '04 red sox on tv, which is really the most bill simmons thing a person could do without referencing the godfather movies
― mookieproof, Thursday, 19 June 2014 12:57 (nine years ago) link
Or the wire.
― Jeff, Thursday, 19 June 2014 13:02 (nine years ago) link
lol my god
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 June 2014 13:12 (nine years ago) link
Q: What was San Antonio’s luckiest moment of the past 15 years not counting their three lottery wins?
A: Not trading Tony Parker during the summer of 2010 or 2011 when 90 percent of the league would have reacted to 2010’s Phoenix sweep and 2011’s ass-kicking from Memphis by saying, “Let’s cash in our best trade asset and reboot this thing ASAP.” The lessons: Trust your infrastructure, trust continuity, don’t make big trades just to make big trades, and if that’s not enough, count on the fact that you’re the Spurs and you have a steady stream of horseshoes falling out of your ass.
BILL SIMMONS 2009"Q: Can you please explain your asinine trade suggestion from your May 20 chat that the Spurs should throw away Duncan's last chance at a title by trading Tony Parker to Minnesota? I just want to make sure you're the dumbest writer on ESPN.com.-- Anthony, El Paso, TexasSG: Sure. I'll even go with Hubie Brown's second-person hypothetical tense for you.OK, you're San Antonio. Your Duncan window is closing and so is your chance to contend. You're in NBA no-man's land, a little like Utah from 1999-2002: 45-50 wins guaranteed, no real chance of contending, no way of getting better because they spent too many years picking at the bottom of the first round. So what do you do? You can't trade Duncan; he's an icon and has to finish his career in San Antonio. You can't get fair value for Ginobili because of his injuries and because he's an expiring contract. Your best trade chip is Parker, a good character guy coming off a career year. He's also your most replaceable guy: a gifted scorer who can't shoot 3-pointers, isn't a traditional point guard and struggles to defend certain points. You only need to replace him with someone who can provide 80 percent of his numbers and you'll be OK. You also need to turn him into multiple pieces."
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 June 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link
So the luckiest moment of San Antonio's last 15 years is not listening to Bill Simmons?
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 June 2014 15:31 (nine years ago) link
Simmons does often admit he's totally wrong about this sort of thing which is nice, but seriously lol @ him for this
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Thursday, 19 June 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
Sometimes he just really gets an idea jammed up his ass and then when he's wrong he gets equally obsessed with shitting it out.
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 June 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
two things I like about Bill Simmons: 1) an ability to call himself out and 2) a refusal to fill the Grantland stable with writers like him even though doing so would be super easy (and cheap).
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Thursday, 19 June 2014 16:16 (nine years ago) link
agreed 100%
― k3vin k., Thursday, 19 June 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link
Idk what's goin on or where I'd post this on ilnfl but I enjoyed this http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2014/09/23/3571146/bill-simmons-epic-rant-against-roger-goodell/
― yung dirk (Clay), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
Simmons seemed to anticipate that his comments could rankle his employer, ESPN, which is an NFL broadcast partner (but has reported that the Ravens knew of the tape shortly after the incident). “I really hope someone calls me or emails me and says I’m in trouble for anything I said about Roger Goodell because if one person says that to me, I’m going public. You leave me alone. The Commissioner is a liar and I get to say that on my podcast.”
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link
he got suspended ~_~
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:16 (nine years ago) link
three weeks lol
m/l for daring espn to suspend him
protect the shield
― yung dirk (Clay), Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:17 (nine years ago) link
if he gets into a big protracted fight w espn i will let him back into my heart
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:18 (nine years ago) link
What's he threatening to go public with??
― Hakeem Olajuwon Howard (Leee), Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:22 (nine years ago) link
prob just some ol behind closed doors bs no one but media obsessives will care about that he will never actually even say anyway since hes the most conventional man in the world but im still curious tbh
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:25 (nine years ago) link
either that or it was just a weird turn of phrase
yeah i think he just meant he would say something publicly if his bosses told him to cut it out.
i hope he gets back on twitter and just rages.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:38 (nine years ago) link
Ha I was just waiting for this thread to get bumped with the inevitable suspension
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:42 (nine years ago) link
P incredible that he got more than Stephen a smith got for implying mrs rice basically deserved it but I guess money talks
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:49 (nine years ago) link
ESPN probably more afraid of the amount of inlfuence that he weilds
― 龜, Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:50 (nine years ago) link
wonder what the contractual obligations regarding grantland/its writers are
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:58 (nine years ago) link
im sure he cld get out of his contract if he wanted and espn wld happily keep grantland humming along
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:59 (nine years ago) link
i dunno -- it's not like they could jettison nate silver and keep 538
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:08 (nine years ago) link
they cld, not sure theyd want to
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:09 (nine years ago) link
I'm fairly sure the worldwide leader owns grantland and simmons is just founder/ed in chief, and p sure both sides wanted it that way bc simmons can just walk away if he gets bored
I mean grantland basically exists as a perk to get him to sign his last contract so I doubt this suspension ends up anything bigger than "don't call an important business partner a liar until it's completely inevitably public knowledge and/or proven in a court of law"
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:14 (nine years ago) link
yeah espn owns grantland and 538, silver gave them the name as part of his deal, grantland is the placeholder name their web designer used lmao
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:18 (nine years ago) link
didn't the otl report basically call the nfl liars, if in less inflammatory terms? simmons wasn't even bashing espn, just daring them to fuck with him for showing a wee bit of journalistic integrity
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:21 (nine years ago) link
I saw a grantland rice book in someone's recycling the other day and was half tempted to pick it up
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:27 (nine years ago) link
yeah he was m/l paraphrasing espns reporting
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:27 (nine years ago) link
The otl report used a little purple prose but definitely avoided asserting concretely that anyone knew anything that wasn't tied to a specific on the record quote
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:29 (nine years ago) link
But yeah the point of the otl report is that any reasonable person immediately concludes that goodell is at best thoroughly incompetent or most likely incompetent and also a liar and also now engaged in a coverup to hide some lies
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:30 (nine years ago) link
never read grantland rice but ive heard hes the ultimate old school mythologizer of athletes god amongst men etc various tedious bs, kinda ironic considering simmons made his name bringing everything down to the fans eye view
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:31 (nine years ago) link
like larry bird?
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:32 (nine years ago) link
larry bird is genuinely godly tho anyone can see that
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:34 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/fyPIxK5.jpg
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:42 (nine years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--nXGwr4j---/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/y96ncgfvinl6xmtvcfub.gif
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:49 (nine years ago) link
yeah it's not like olbermann hasn't gone absolutely volcanic about this pretty much every night. i guess it comes down to you can't threaten espn or they will shut you up for awhile.
― yung dirk (Clay), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:49 (nine years ago) link
lol that gif is the best
― yung dirk (Clay), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:50 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByV9oqqCEAA3_wz.jpg
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:59 (nine years ago) link
guess they figured ethics out good enough and they don't need one anymore, good work fellas
― yung dirk (Clay), Thursday, 25 September 2014 02:01 (nine years ago) link
but you maybe be interested in the content below
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 02:02 (nine years ago) link
oh i love content!
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 02:03 (nine years ago) link
I'm proud of ol' Bill!
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Thursday, 25 September 2014 02:05 (nine years ago) link
this is a great reminder that if you're going to flame out, you should do it using the phrase "fucking bullshit" as much as you can.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 25 September 2014 02:19 (nine years ago) link
otm it is the ultimate flame out expression
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 September 2014 02:20 (nine years ago) link
Robert Lipsyte's espn ombudsmen column is back up. espn is claiming that there was a technical issue that brought down several blogs, including his.
― jbn, Thursday, 25 September 2014 02:48 (nine years ago) link
lol ok guys
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 25 September 2014 02:49 (nine years ago) link
http://www.businessinsider.com/gossip-bill-simmons-wants-out-of-espn-2014-10
― Nowitzki Shrugged (Clay), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:38 (nine years ago) link
Best for last:
Tim Armstrong should also email Simmons — if only because AOL is where the "Sports Guy" got his start and because he still uses an @aol.com email address.
― cichleee suite (Leee), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link
seems to me he wants to be on tv too much to leave espn so unless turner wants to buy up a flagship digital journal for him to slap his name on he's not going anywhere
― Nowitzki Shrugged (Clay), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
i'm still in "believe it when i see it" mode with this shit, lebron-style.
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:54 (nine years ago) link
― mookieproof, Friday, 3 October 2014 20:12 (nine years ago) link
In some quarters, there's skepticism that Simmons is worth so much money. ESPN executives apparently gripe that Simmons' pet project brands on the web — Grantland and FiveThirtyEight — aren't doing very well.uh
― lag∞n, Saturday, 4 October 2014 04:59 (nine years ago) link
Grantland has been pretty weak lately - with the redesign they seem to put out a lot less content than Deadspin.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 5 October 2014 21:11 (nine years ago) link
When did the guy from Rancid take over AOL?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 5 October 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, October 5, 2014 4:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
After a crazy weekend of playoff baseball, there were two baseball stories up on the front page today. There's an entire 2014-2015 NBA preview section.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link
yes but baseball is a terrible sport
― owe me the shmoney (m bison), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
in depth preview is kinda more their steez than game recaps tho, but yeah you would think they couldve come up w some #longform way to explore the baseball playoffs, also may just be a lil lag after the weekend in the baseball coverage
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 October 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
baseball is already longform enough #americaslasttime
― owe me the shmoney (m bison), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link
lol true
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 October 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
well they'll def have a big thing from rany about the royals up today but there's no way he could've turned it around in time for this morning
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
I wish GL was just NBA articles, TBH. Actually, just Zach Lowe.
― Jeff, Monday, 6 October 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link
And Molly Lambert
― polyphonic, Monday, 6 October 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link
ya grantland for me is 90% zach lowe, i keep a bookmark to his author page, but they have some other cool stuff sometimes too
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 October 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
wesley morris is pretty cool, read him in the boston globe for years
― call all destroyer, Monday, 6 October 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link
ya hes good
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 October 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link
Jonathan Abrams features are almost uniformly incredible
Zach Lowe is an incredible perpetual machine of NBA analysis but I am already kind of tired of his writing this season, feel like he needs to son of bazerk CHANGE THE STYLE a lil bit but then again when he tried to fit into the grantland pop culture reference style early on it veered dangerously into poochie on a skateboard territory
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Monday, 6 October 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link
yeah wld prefer if he just honed it down a lil
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 October 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
also hes kinda boring rn prob because were in the very boring part of the offseason
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 October 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link
He def recovered once he embraced his inner basketball shut-in but it's funny when he comes back from a vacation suddenly armed with four year old breaking bad references
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Monday, 6 October 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I kinda think they could have just let him write less abt some minor contracts instead of having to pad the last months worth with three intro grafs abt the upcoming TV deal and rising cap
Kinda like the entire entertainment press wasted thousands upon thousands of words chinscratching abt a crouching tiger sequel no one gives abt
― z-time champion (agent hibachi), Monday, 6 October 2014 16:26 (nine years ago) link
ya we really dont need all these hot takes
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 October 2014 16:27 (nine years ago) link
it's like w/the internet and media moving faster, instead of at the end of the day the big stories being written for the following day's paper, now all day long you see new stories popping up on websites every fifteen minutes that fifteen minutes later are completely forgotten.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Monday, 6 October 2014 16:34 (nine years ago) link
lowe is at times the best basketball writer we have and at others the most unreadable. he's just unbearably square
― k3vin k., Monday, 6 October 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
no love for bill barnwell?
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 03:09 (nine years ago) link
eh what is there to say about football really, it's a watching sport
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 7 October 2014 03:13 (nine years ago) link
barnwell is terrible
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 03:14 (nine years ago) link
http://nytimes.com/2014/10/15/sports/bill-simmonss-return-sets-intrigue-in-motion-at-espn.html
― Clay, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 09:51 (nine years ago) link
“Knowing what I know now,” Lerer said, “I think he should say: ‘I had a breakdown, I didn’t mean what I said. I’m back at ESPN and I love it.’ ”
lol otm
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 13:32 (nine years ago) link
I am not partial to Simmons but if Grantland goes the way Sports on Earth just did I'll be very disappointed.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 13:43 (nine years ago) link
VIEWING ALERT!!!!! At 7 p.m. ET on Thursday (10/23), The Grantland Basketball Hour makes its triumphant debut on ESPN. Your hosts? Bill Simmons and Jalen Rose, who will be joined by Jeff Van Gundy, Doc Rivers, Michelle Beadle, and Zach Lowe
o gosh
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 04:46 (nine years ago) link
I am definitely watching that and hating it
― Clay, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 04:51 (nine years ago) link
wait, what is doc doing there. he has a job
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 October 2014 05:19 (nine years ago) link
@BillSimmonsIf Ned Yost had managed the Red Sox during the Pedro era, I'd be living in an insane asylum right now.
whatever, nba dude
― mookieproof, Saturday, 25 October 2014 02:51 (nine years ago) link
not to mention grady little managed them for much of the pedro era and he put people in an insane asylum
― lag∞n, Saturday, 25 October 2014 02:56 (nine years ago) link
for sure ned is not any worse than grady was
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 25 October 2014 04:13 (nine years ago) link
i had to go to the insane asylum more than once cause of that guy
― lag∞n, Saturday, 25 October 2014 04:15 (nine years ago) link
http://sportingnews.com/article/4622943-bill-simmons-mike-and-mike-lebron-james-albert-pujols-grantland-espn-colin-cowherd
rip
― Clay, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-11-06/bill-simmons-mike-and-mike-lebron-james-albert-pujols-grantland-espn-colin-cowherd?eadid=SOC/Twi/SNMain
trying that again
― Clay, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link
hoo boy
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link
mad dad
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
he must really want out idk
― Clay, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:19 (nine years ago) link
dude would never last on the goon thread
― mookieproof, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:27 (nine years ago) link
can't believe anyone on earth could care about anything mike and mike says even if it's about them
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link
big overlap in audiences tho which is i imagine the important part to bill and his desire to be hero worshiped by his base. there is a venn diagram i don't want to spend any time in the middle of.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:37 (nine years ago) link
not sure mike&mike have an audience
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:41 (nine years ago) link
bill's just pissed that he always got in trouble for bashing other espn talent
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
ya prob
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
he shd go work for an actual journalistic entity that will worship him for the media star he is instead of for espn who make all their money broadcasting sporting events
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link
like hes the most popular sports writer in the country but he will always mean less to espn than some rando college football game
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:53 (nine years ago) link
on the other hand they pay him a shit load of money and let him have his own website documentary series and tv show
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:54 (nine years ago) link
prob just stay on espn and stop being such a baby idk
yeah the prob is that basically any other platform would be a step back
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link
maybe running grantland isnt as much fun as he thought it was gonna be and hes trying to weasel out of it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link
He's not much of a journalist though
― polyphonic, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:57 (nine years ago) link
hes a writer or whatever you want to call it point is hes m/l window dressing for espns core business
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:58 (nine years ago) link
You could say ESPN is Bill Belichick and Grantland is the Patriots and Bill Simmons is ol' Tommy Brady and Mike & Mike are Eli and Peyton
― Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:58 (nine years ago) link
which mike is which tho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:59 (nine years ago) link
which Mike is Payton, I'd way rather be Payton xp
― Clay, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link
simmons is ray liotta in goodfellas and mike&mike is joe pesci in goodfellas and espn is paul sorvino in goodfellas
― mookieproof, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:01 (nine years ago) link
Simmons working in a different corporate context ... it's hard to imagine that it would go well considering that his first real job as an adult (probably?) randomly turned into a cult of personality / fiefdom.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:06 (nine years ago) link
im sure any number of prominent outlets would let him say whatever he wants about roger goodell
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:18 (nine years ago) link
Which would be the best fit iyo
― polyphonic, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link
first look media
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
the interception: a bill simmons digital magazine
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:28 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B66pzuyIYAA5EgJ.png
― mookieproof, Friday, 9 January 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link
o bill
― lag∞n, Friday, 9 January 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link
YES SIMMONS IT'S REALLY GREAT THAT YOUR TEAM IS SO FUCKING GOOD, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 16 January 2015 19:07 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7fmT_VCEAAYCfz.png
― mookieproof, Friday, 16 January 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 January 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
poetry
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 16 January 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wBeR9O-J--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/idpoknduwhhb7ddvx9yd.gif
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 16 January 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
classic simmons column for which the tl;dr version can be described as *masturbates furiously*
― i'm tellin you it was kenard (slothroprhymes), Friday, 16 January 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
i had to go and look out of morbid curiosity but i couldn't bear to read it
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 16 January 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
yeah im gonna pass
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 January 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
heeeere we go again http://gran.tl/1CmnJhz
― i'm tellin you it was kenard (slothroprhymes), Friday, 23 January 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
yasssssss
― k3vin k., Friday, 23 January 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
If you made up an adjective to describe Westbrook or MVP Rose, it would be “freakocious.” A ferocious freak, basically.
― mookieproof, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
: /
― call all destroyer, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:00 (nine years ago) link
oof
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
naturally he found a way to sneak kelly o. in there
― i'm tellin you it was kenard (slothroprhymes), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
tbf kellyo is the biggest nba story of 2015
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
List makes no sense whatsoever
― polyphonic, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
Marcus Smart, Elfrid Payton: 2015’s copresidents of the “If They Learn How To Shoot, Look Out!”
smart literally shooting 36% from three right now, a look at his shot chart will tell u the problem has actually been his finishing at the rim aka the thing everyone thought he was good at
http://i.imgur.com/PvKKM2C.png
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
feel like he has a good chance to improve significantly there, he looks hesitant when he drives leading me to believe its just something he needs to figure out rather than something hes not capable of
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
57. Draymond Green56. Goran DragicDraymond is Golden State’s best defender,
wut
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
dub's best defender without lingering health issues?
― pursuit of happiness (art), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:46 (nine years ago) link
hes a really good defender for sure tho a lil undersized, just a weird thing to say about a team that has a legit great defender
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link
oh yeah definitely agree. i like simmons but he gets excited and says dumb things sometimes
― pursuit of happiness (art), Friday, 23 January 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link
52. Kevin Love
not gonna bother counting how many players above love who irl their teams wld trade for him but its a lot
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
just skimmed the rest of it w/e
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
rebuttal on kinja imo
― mookieproof, Friday, 23 January 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
haha i actually thought of that not sure if i can do it tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 17:59 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, January 23, 2015 11:54 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
considering his contract......... i dunno
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 January 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
everyone jumping on love for half a season being depressed and bad on a team where everyone has been depressed and bad prob wldnt make very good GMs imho
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link
his value was already lower in the league than outside of it, and now this, plus you're only getting him for a half a season potentially
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 January 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
i stand by my initial statement
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
btw if cleveland were to sell low on love it wld lead to some excellent file for later takes all across the basketballashpere
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 January 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
well clearly part of the reason he's so low is that he's a free agent next year
calling draymond the best defender on the dubs is defensible, he can really guard anyone and the advanced numbers love him
― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 January 2015 01:21 (nine years ago) link
no
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 01:21 (nine years ago) link
Yeah no draymond is mad good but healthy bogut is an all-world defender
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Saturday, 24 January 2015 01:27 (nine years ago) link
take away bogut' stall points from RPM and they're probably neck and neck lol
― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 January 2015 01:28 (nine years ago) link
i mean dray is an all-world defender it's not up for debate
― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 January 2015 01:30 (nine years ago) link
all world is excessive imo idk know what stall points from RPM mean but it sounds like a bunch of baloney and i have already disproven you anyway by debating it
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 01:32 (nine years ago) link
damn that's true
stall points = tall points
― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 January 2015 01:33 (nine years ago) link
even if dray is all world their relative style of play man defense v rim protection imo makes their value no comparison, bogut is of course also a very good man on man defender
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link
So is draymond. It's pretty close but bogut healthy gets the edge I guess Altho kev otm about draymonds versatility. I feel like he's learned a ton from Iggy but also just has that aggression to want to guard bigger guys, he owns Blake one on one
― Spottie, Saturday, 24 January 2015 02:09 (nine years ago) link
blakes not bigger tho
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 02:53 (nine years ago) link
like dray is very game but i suspect a good team with a large leet pf cld take advantage of his size, zbo dirk and so forth
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 02:56 (nine years ago) link
he's got like 3" on him and probably like 20-25lbs
― Spottie, Saturday, 24 January 2015 02:57 (nine years ago) link
short arms tho
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 02:58 (nine years ago) link
him and zbo was a blast to watch for sure. def harder for dray but he did well.
― Spottie, Saturday, 24 January 2015 02:58 (nine years ago) link
klay isn't bad
― polyphonic, Saturday, 24 January 2015 06:26 (nine years ago) link
oops
― polyphonic, Saturday, 24 January 2015 06:27 (nine years ago) link
So I'm guessing the trade value top 3 goes 3 Lebron 2 durant 1 curry right?
Esp given that contracts are considered and curry is now probably the best bargain in the league, I guess if you give more weight to "who do you want for ten years" durant might be the better bet bc of injury history but I'm guessing simmons can't resist the dubs momentum
Ooh wait actually he might put the brow and harden up there...over Lebron??
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Saturday, 24 January 2015 15:28 (nine years ago) link
brow has to be #1
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
If it was a straight "pick one franchise guy and you have him for ten years" tho the answer is probably the brow
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Saturday, 24 January 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
Ha xp
hes on the verge of being the best player in the nba and because no one ever turns down that first contract you have him for six more years and hes cheap for another year and a half
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
also fwiw ive been thinking about the kevin love situation and i realized he will 100% exercise his player option next year because hes waiting on the big cap bump in two year but he cant just sign a one year deal with another team next year because bird rights dont come with a one year deal and if a team doesnt have bird rights they cant offer the 5 year super max, so if kevin love wants the five year super max in two years when the salary cap goes up he must opt in next season*
so hypothetical trading for love a. includes that he will def be with the team next year b. gives that team a very good chance of resigning him via big bird rights contract†
*i think this is how it works lol
†obvs theres a chance he will forgo his opportunity for a five year max and switch to a team he prefers to the one holding his bird rights, i just doubt he will do it preemptively next year, tho its maybe more likely if things keep not working out on the cavs, conclusion trade love
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link
btw month to date love is averaging 20-11, shooting still a little off at 44/29/80, but hes trending int he right direction
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
guess some of that was cause bron was out thp
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
29 from three? Ouch
― Spottie, Saturday, 24 January 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
yeah thats no good
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 January 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link
q: could you beat Bill 1 on 1?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 January 2015 04:21 (nine years ago) link
Super Bowl XLIX was like the last episode of The Sopranos
followed by 7000 more words
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link
does he make a comparison between phil leotardo and pete carroll? does he compare their heads of white hair? does he compare the previously little-known malcolm butler to the previously little-known walden belfiore aka the guy who takes out leotardo?
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
squawks backup cb repeatedly getting torched is aj's suv catching fire and exploding
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
so a cowork3r of mine was sitting next to s1mm0ns' table at a restaurant last night and he was loudly holding court w/bros on how "i'm toying with the idea of moving back to bos4on" and how "i could own that city if i was there!" something something about not having the same power in l.a.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 6 February 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
attempting to figure out what that wld look like and failing
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 February 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
like what exactly wld he own idk
if u want to be a powerful media person its better to do it in a place that like has media right
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 February 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
he'd have to dethrone a wahlburg or two
― call all destroyer, Friday, 6 February 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
grantland v wahlburgers in the ultimate st paddys day brawl
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 February 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link
maybe he can come back just long enough to run dan shaughnessy out of town
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 6 February 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
maybe simmons was just fantasizing. why'd he want to give up l.a. and brodowns with kornheiser at the kimmel mansion?
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 6 February 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
sundays wldnt be the same w/o jimmy
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 February 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
theres some underground dudebro sports tweeter in boston wishing a motherfucker would move back in on his turf right now
― brosario nawson (m bison), Friday, 6 February 2015 23:31 (nine years ago) link
so a cowork3r of mine was sitting next to s1mm0ns' table at a restaurant last night and he was loudly holding court w/bros on how "i'm toying with the idea of moving back to bos4on" and how "i could own that city if i was there!" something something about not having the same power in l.a. --LIKE If you are against racism (0mar l1ttle)
you have now been immortalized in content http://tktk.gawker.com/is-bill-simmons-eyeing-a-move-back-to-boston-1684318988/+barryap?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 6 February 2015 23:44 (nine years ago) link
jordan!
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 February 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link
@BillSimmons: I am never leaving the West Coast. Oh, and I had dinner with my family at home last night. We got takeout.
― polyphonic, Friday, 6 February 2015 23:48 (nine years ago) link
wow j0rdan s breaking shit off ilx give this dude a pulitzer already
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 February 2015 23:48 (nine years ago) link
xp loool
xp maybe the assbag who runs barstool sports will challenge simmons to a highlander-type battle, would be one of the only times I'd favor simmons in a fight
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 6 February 2015 23:49 (nine years ago) link
omars coworker is luna btw
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 February 2015 23:49 (nine years ago) link
(my post was too late, intended for bison)
i heard bill simmons was secretly a woman, let's break this story
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 February 2015 23:57 (nine years ago) link
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 7 February 2015 00:11 (nine years ago) link
can we googleproof my post? it's 100% true but...don't want to have it come back to here as it were.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 7 February 2015 00:24 (nine years ago) link
lol @ "a source"
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 7 February 2015 01:08 (nine years ago) link
10ud1y h01d1ng ¢0u®† w/ b®0s
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 7 February 2015 01:23 (nine years ago) link
HA!
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 7 February 2015 02:13 (nine years ago) link
:D
i can't believe i got subtweeted so quickly
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 7 February 2015 03:31 (nine years ago) link
hot damn
― micah, Saturday, 7 February 2015 22:18 (nine years ago) link
in the midst of a grantland shootaround post around cavs drama (lol) that touches briefly on boogie's "god's plan" speech, this choice nugget from bill simmons:
I can’t tell you how focused I am on the possibility of a Boogie/Boston trade. Like, you have no idea.
and then later:
Boogie for Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk, Marcus Thornton’s expiring, our unprotected 2015 no. 1 pick, the unprotected 2015 Clippers pick AND Dallas’s future no. 1 pick. THIS IS GOD’S PLAN!!!! Wait, what are you guys talking about?
as great as that would be for the Cs, this has to be a new high water mark for simmons absurdity, right? even as crazy as vivek is and as incompetent as his front office is?
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
hes making a joke
― micah, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 00:32 (nine years ago) link
...is he tho?
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 00:38 (nine years ago) link
― micah, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 01:48 (nine years ago) link
BS report player interviews from all star weekend - lowry, boogie, splash bros, john wall, bosh, korver & horford and elfrid payton & victor oladipo - have been really enjoyable
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 16 February 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
Boogie sounded mad bummed out
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Monday, 16 February 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link
anyone think hell still be playing for sacto in two years
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 February 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
man i really hope not. i am looking v much forward to see him contend
― pursuit of happiness (art), Monday, 16 February 2015 22:17 (nine years ago) link
Just watched the Lowry interview, he was great.
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:31 (nine years ago) link
I predict boogie will seek a sign and trade.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:35 (nine years ago) link
yeah the lowry interview was awesome, boogie sounds v sad
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link
Lol when he tweeted the SNL column, all the @'s back were WHERE THR FUCK IS TRADE VALE PT 2. ASSHOLE
― Jeff, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:54 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:56 (nine years ago) link
they did the trade value column as an episode of the grantland basketball hour but apparently i am the only one who watches that
― Clay, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 01:07 (nine years ago) link
I listened to it in podcast form - not bad when divorced from commercial breaks and having to actually see the really weird/corny animations
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 01:09 (nine years ago) link
clay im worried about yr level of engagement with bill simmons content
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 01:14 (nine years ago) link
he is a v big part of my life it's true
― Clay, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 01:46 (nine years ago) link
simmons is a force for good in the world just embrace it
his/lowe's podcasts are essential if you have long commutes
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 17 February 2015 01:59 (nine years ago) link
i dont pod
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 02:00 (nine years ago) link
u just download them its ppl talking think about it as a verbal column
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:28 (nine years ago) link
i just dont like listening to ppl talk
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:40 (nine years ago) link
People talk too much.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:48 (nine years ago) link
specifically: bill simmons
― brosario nawson (m bison), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:50 (nine years ago) link
its so slow and u cant just like skip around if u get bored
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:50 (nine years ago) link
i listen to ilx in podcast form btw
― Clay, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:55 (nine years ago) link
i dont get it. yall have music in your city? i recommend it for driving it is a very good audio companion to driving. a lot of cars have radios installed for free and they can access some pretty good music stations. now with smartphones somepeople plug their smartphones into their cars that makes music come out too.
― brosario nawson (m bison), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:56 (nine years ago) link
pods r so hot right now, everyone out there podding
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:57 (nine years ago) link
i download podcasts to my smartphone and plug that into my car!
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:58 (nine years ago) link
ok i guess i understand but does your phone also play music?
― brosario nawson (m bison), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:58 (nine years ago) link
music is kind of like podcasting except the talking is organized according to time and melodies and also there are tracks that you can skip if you dont like that melodic talking as much.
― brosario nawson (m bison), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 03:59 (nine years ago) link
i listen to music podcasts sometimes
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 04:01 (nine years ago) link
do they talk about music or sing about podcasts?
― brosario nawson (m bison), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 04:03 (nine years ago) link
the thing about podcasts is they're very now if i wanna hear zach lowe and jeff van gundy talk about basketball it's gonna be irrelevant a week later
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 17 February 2015 04:03 (nine years ago) link
those music stations on the radio have songs about having sex sometimes, thats pretty thrilling if youve never heard.
― brosario nawson (m bison), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 04:04 (nine years ago) link
do the songs make sex noises or?
― Clay, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 04:08 (nine years ago) link
man look SOMETIMES im not even fucking kidding there are some
― brosario nawson (m bison), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 04:09 (nine years ago) link
― brosario nawson (m bison), Monday, February 16, 2015 11:03 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that wld be like dancing about streaming video
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 04:12 (nine years ago) link
m bison otm
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 04:13 (nine years ago) link
sometimes i dance with music that is from a streaming video
― brosario nawson (m bison), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 04:13 (nine years ago) link
some pot-vs-kettle here, but yeah
http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-is-a-name-dropping-waste-1691345977
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
lmao sneak peak of the third part of a three part series
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:25 (nine years ago) link
lol how can you try to read that and not swiftly come to the conclusion that however bad simmons is drew magary is much much worse.
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link
they r just both bad in their own ways god bless
― lag∞n, Friday, 13 March 2015 22:14 (nine years ago) link
I strongly dislike magary but that column is basically what he's good for
― Clay, Friday, 13 March 2015 22:31 (nine years ago) link
simmons is a force for good in this world and if you disagree you're kidding yourself. that dude is pathetic
― k3vin k., Friday, 13 March 2015 23:28 (nine years ago) link
nah/fair
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:30 (nine years ago) link
too-powerful for his own good yet benevolent media mogul is a narcissist, frankly i'm shocked
― k3vin k., Friday, 13 March 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link
This trade value column two month dribble is p funny tho
Dude has basically become the George RR Martin of basketball blogging
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Friday, 13 March 2015 23:34 (nine years ago) link
god i was reading magary do that same shtick like 10 years ago. i am amazed by ppl who possess this bottomless reservoir of bile even as they age.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:56 (nine years ago) link
i guess will leitch has changed his shtick? not sure who else has, tho
― mookieproof, Saturday, 14 March 2015 00:05 (nine years ago) link
it takes less energy to be a sanctimonious tool than it does to be so pissed about everything all the time
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 March 2015 01:18 (nine years ago) link
neither really takes any energy at all
― mookieproof, Saturday, 14 March 2015 01:24 (nine years ago) link
― k3vin k., Friday, March 13, 2015 7:32 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hes also a writer which is what the piece is about
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:23 (nine years ago) link
oh come on it's 100% about professional jealousy
― k3vin k., Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:32 (nine years ago) link
im not going to speculate on the motivation, and i apparently have been following drew mcagry much less closely over the years than the rest of you, im barely aware of his work, but there is some genuinely terrible simmons writing/thought excerpted in that piece
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:34 (nine years ago) link
also suspect too simmons will at some point in the near future be just a writer and not a media mogul again and wont have employing zach lowe to speak for him, what then simmons appoligists
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:35 (nine years ago) link
btw is crazy how many ppl there are writing abt basketball on grantland right now lol
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:37 (nine years ago) link
also if youre going to put all the good basketball writing on grantland in the simmons credit side you have to deduct for the shit ton of truly awful prosumer entertainment/pop culture converage
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:40 (nine years ago) link
anyway all of that is a lil inside baseball for me i prefer to just appreciate the final product on its own merits and the fact is simmons is in the midst of publishing a months long three part list of which he just gave a sneak peak of the last piece, this is ridiculous, and the list isnt even any good or insightful and seems more about his own solipsistic ideas abt narrative than it is understanding basketball
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:44 (nine years ago) link
i should start a grantland thread where i just effusively praise molly lambert constantly
― Clay, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:44 (nine years ago) link
ya i like her, just read the thing where she went to the avn awards
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:45 (nine years ago) link
there is so much greatest character actor ever tournament bs on that site tho truly the lowest of the low
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:46 (nine years ago) link
For every boom in Hollywood, there must also be a bust. So while those of us who watch TV for fun and profit have spent the past 15 years reveling in a tidal wave of brilliant acting, risk-taking storytelling, and remarkable performances, our friends across the aisle in the multiplex have had a far less festive experience.
hate hate HATE prosumer pretend industry garbage like this too
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:47 (nine years ago) link
her work is smart but breezy in a way v v few writers would even attempt, it is wonderful xps
― Clay, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:48 (nine years ago) link
show runner, narrative arc, callback, plz flush yrself down the toilet 99% of ppl who write abt tv
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:49 (nine years ago) link
i think i do a good job avoiding tv writing morass by watching only basketball and blackish rn
― brosario nawson (m bison), Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:50 (nine years ago) link
not a bad way to do it tbh
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link
feel like outside of the av club grantland is prob the worst offender of that style where ppl are pretending to have insider industry knowledge of how the sausage gets made but are really just randos repeating the most basic cliches abt craft and business in oder to make ppl feel like they are backstage, this style is approaching total saturation in tv writing but really its everywhere these days and its awful and completely insubstantial
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:55 (nine years ago) link
i like rembert and wes morris a ton, greenwald is kinda useless (he reminds you that you really have to be pretty intellectually unambitious let's say to devote yr life to tv criticism), hyden is abysmal, like i think i'd rather read simmons pop culture writing than hyden. i think i like his sports writers across the board. i'm pretty sure he's not leaving espn also.
― balls, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:58 (nine years ago) link
eventually one way or another espn will get tired of him employing 50 basketball writers for no reason is how i break it down
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:00 (nine years ago) link
that's a pretty solid summary. lambert is good, rembert is good, morris is fantastic. anytime i accidentally like the same thing as hyden i get pretty depressed. on the sports side every zach lowe is balanced by a bill barnwell. grantland cast a wide net and got hits and misses in equal numbers. the fact that i don't give a fuck about movies or tv 95% of the time probably helps me enjoy the site.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:04 (nine years ago) link
/whispers/ rembert is actually kinda bad
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:06 (nine years ago) link
eh he's fine, i've never been offended reading rembert is what i'm saying
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:07 (nine years ago) link
lot of precious personal writing, bad opinions
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:08 (nine years ago) link
, meme-y dorky writer presenting himself as a cool guy stuff
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:09 (nine years ago) link
i know thats like every writer int he world but still
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:11 (nine years ago) link
oh he doesn't seem cool at all, that's part of why i don't mind him. does he think he's cool?
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:11 (nine years ago) link
i think maybe, idk i unfollowed him so now its just a shadow of an impression
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:13 (nine years ago) link
i don't know, grantland's basically what they dreamed page 2 would be back in the day and i suspect it's cheaper to get solid regular product from lowe et al than it was to have david halberstam and hunter thompson phone something in every now and then. i mean they spent a ton of time and money developing whitlock's black grantland (still in development). espn has writers that don't generate the hits or have somewhat successful podcasts like lowe or barnwell or keri. they also have so many sports personalities worse than bill simmons.
― balls, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:14 (nine years ago) link
im sure theres a lot of pressure in that world to show a effortless mastery of the zeitgeist and it just kinda gets on me nerves xp self
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:14 (nine years ago) link
i am now googling and rembert went to dartmouth, officially ceded any claim to being cool.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:17 (nine years ago) link
lol as someone who has spent a lot of time in hanover i can attest
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:18 (nine years ago) link
i get the impression that rembert thinks simmons is cool so thats def fatal to his possible coolness
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:19 (nine years ago) link
rembert can be pretty internet writer, lotta that 'we love _____' or 'why ____ is the worst' tendency. he reps for atlanta hard though so cool by me.
xp any interactions i've seen him have w/ simmons he's always seemed a little nervous. white dude from boston though so understandable.
― balls, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:20 (nine years ago) link
jonathan abrams, that dude's a great writer
― balls, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:22 (nine years ago) link
yeah he is good
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:23 (nine years ago) link
lol at all u fuckin nba guys
keri is good and lindbergh is excellent about baseballmcindoe and kbakes are both very good (the former day-to-day, the latter long-form) about hockey
it's cool that simmons has parlayed his boston-bro-90s-pop-culture thing into something larger that includes much better writers. some of the stuff they do (eg second bananas) is painful, but hey it's the web (and lol at 538 in comparison). simmons himself is ridiculous tho
― mookieproof, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:24 (nine years ago) link
― balls, Friday, March 13, 2015 11:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i mean obvs i dont really know, but i suspect this giving media stars their own sites thing may not be the wave, it doesnt seem like ppl read those sites too much, especially 538, also they just feel weird and idiosyncratic like not in a good way in a someones odd idea way, espn can afford to do this cause they make huge money off televising sporting events on tv, but idk if they really have any reason to do it especially if companies who actually have to make money off of their writers arent competing with them to like offer simmons his own site somewhere else
i mean maybe theyre happy to take the loss just to keep big names around to burnish their rep or w/e the point of it is, but seems like some executive some day will just look at it and go you know what nah, cause theres really like not any reason for it to exisit
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:25 (nine years ago) link
white dude from boston though so understandable.
― balls, Friday, March 13, 2015 11:20 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ugh i am so tired of this terrible i am a white person who understand racism tic
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:28 (nine years ago) link
i was attempting to ignore that but yeah fuck it
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:29 (nine years ago) link
~otm~
― mookieproof, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:29 (nine years ago) link
racism is actually a worldwide phenomenon
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:30 (nine years ago) link
white folks in georgia know better
― mookieproof, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:31 (nine years ago) link
man losing money on something that shouldn't exist but it kinda burnishes a rep and fuckit you make a ton of money elsewhere is basically the history of publishing. like that's the ny post and the nyer.
― balls, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:33 (nine years ago) link
yeah true idk this is the net tho its crazy
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:40 (nine years ago) link
I'm p positive grant lands entire budget (outside simmons pay and his fancy set for the TV show) is basically a rounding error for the worldwide leader
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Saturday, 14 March 2015 12:31 (nine years ago) link
But yeah it's good that he's got a mix of writers some of them are terrible (barnwell Jesus can they get one football writer who doesnt literally put everyone to sleep by the second paragraph) some of them are great (Jonathan Abrams features uniformly incredible, zach Lowe is basically an ilh-er, lambert, Wes Morris is really the only good pop culture guy)
Lagoon correctly diagnosed remberts problems he is a young guy who writes for the Internet the way the Internet writes already, could grow tho
I might be the only person who likes Steven hyden i think he's a solid writer and his affection for basic hard rock and metal is sweet. Also occasionally funny
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Saturday, 14 March 2015 12:37 (nine years ago) link
Did not expect this thread to blow up over night.
― Jeff, Saturday, 14 March 2015 13:11 (nine years ago) link
bad and good canceling each other out is prob grantland's biggest issue, like in the NBA writing corner for every lowe there's another writer who obsesses over the soap opera aspect of the sport and finds ways to like, heap faux-ebullient pass/agg ironic praise on the nick youngs of the world, shit like that, each topic they cover basically has one good writer and one shitty one
in the good corner like amos barshad does really good profiles, generally, molly lambert is great, greenwald is good when he's reviewing a show like a normal critic (the americans pieces are always dope) and awful when trying to make Big Statements About How We Watch Television, etc. hyden is a harmless dork, rembert browne basically is as well except the fact that he's really into the idea of being an internet writer and also way into hyperbole is grating
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 14 March 2015 13:42 (nine years ago) link
simmons is firmly what he is at this point, and his schtick can be super annoying but, uh, a dude like drew magary, of all fuckin people, calling someone out for being schticky and self-referential is fucking hysterical
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 14 March 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
i think mcgray is right to call out simmons name dropping, i mean the whole point of simmons is that he was an everyman just talkin about sports, he was like not supposed to have access, that was a key element of his schtick, now he braggin abt how he studied at the feet of magic johnson while his understanding of basketball seems to be if anything worse than ever
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 13:52 (nine years ago) link
oh wesley morris is another reason grantland can stay for the moment unless he finds a better offer, genuinely great movie critic
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 14 March 2015 13:53 (nine years ago) link
simmons obvs like does not try very hard at the writing anymore, which is understandable w all his other responsibilities, but of course the only reason he gets to do all those other things is because espn wants to keep him around for his writing, its funny
― lag∞n, Saturday, 14 March 2015 13:54 (nine years ago) link
I agree with the reason magary is calling him out more or less, but I can't help but roll my eyes about a writer with an equally awful type of schtick being the one to do the calling out (magary is uncomfortable internety beta-macho rage predicated on the idea that profanity is inherently funny and/or biting, simmons is smarmy insidery sanctimoniousness)
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 14 March 2015 14:02 (nine years ago) link
the actual column in question is goofy but not really that bad, he just sounds like someone who's really excited that he's gotten to talk about basketball with a bunch of pros. the argument he's advancing (that pros may be willing to put up with stuff that drives fan viewers nuts) is actually interesting.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 March 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
nothing simmons does these days is actually that bad aside from the writing being meh or legit bad with relative frequency, like it is what it is and expecting it to be otherwise is like that arrested development scene where michael opens a bag that reads DEAD DOVE on it as if he won't find the dead dove in there. the idea that it could offend a person'a sense of writerly ethics, in the world of sportswriting, is laughable and mind-boggling - unless you're drew magary and you have a column due and a preexisting hard-on for really laying the hammer down on macho cornballs tangential to the sports world while having turned into, uh, a (faux, which is almost worse) macho cornball tangential to the sports world
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 14 March 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link
lollll while on the subject, chuck barkley on the BS report is a thing no one should listen to
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 14 March 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n
yeah i remember him talking about kornheiser telling him at some point that the writing just goes and he's not gonna want to do it anymore and he's mentioned this a few times. i think now it's definitely more a thing that drives traffic to his site and that facilitates him doing the other things he wants to do. whereas twelve fifteen years ago he was cranking out ten thousand words five days a week cuz he had that weird narcissism and hunger that makes one a writer. it's rare as hell that he writes something now that doesn't slot into one of his gimmicky formats (this trade value column rolling out like grr martin is the ne plus ultra of this), usually a mailbag which is just him responding to emails. that kyrie column could've just been yknow a column about kyrie irving as well as how former players/legends see things that fans and nonplayer analysts aren't going to pick up and that can create that divide in perceptions and then when pt 3 came out he could just link to it for irving's paragraph but dude's weird narcissism wouldn't allow it, the same way he thinks his trade machine machinations mean anything or his past years of trade value columns in anyway function as a valuable metric. the podcast w/ lowe he made a prediction and then lowe was responding and simmons just started blurting out 'THAT'S RIGHT IT'S THE RETURN OF CLAIRVOYANT BILL' like he was dom deluise turning into captain chaos in the cannonball run. i think he writes about basketball cuz he loves it most and it's the thing he knows anything about and he writes about football cuz he loves it and it's the hugest sport so it drives traffic but otherwise he's moved on. i think the red sox have actually won a world series since the last time he wrote about baseball which is funny since that red sox book kinda made his name.
― balls, Saturday, 14 March 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
nothing simmons does these days is actually that bad aside from the writing being meh or legit bad with relative frequency, like it is what it is and expecting it to be otherwise is like that arrested development scene where michael opens a bag that reads DEAD DOVE on it as if he won't find the dead dove in there.
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:33 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The look on batemans face as he looks away and mutters "I don't know what I expected" is burned into my brain
― we just form a f#!king wall (agent hibachi), Saturday, 14 March 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
I'm looking forward to him recycling the boxing column he writes for every major fight.
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 March 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
writers unclear on the concept "fictional"
http://i.imgur.com/x6CWz2w.png
― lag∞n, Sunday, 15 March 2015 07:00 (nine years ago) link
new trade value column is peak "everything ppl hate about simmons," as well as some decent commentary
yes there are springsteen AND liam neesons refs
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
i had to skip past most of the steph/harden/westb part, so long and pointless
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link
yeah that was hella indulgent, the stuff about brow was pretty good tho
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 23:30 (nine years ago) link
oh well *kicks a rock*
― gbx, Friday, 20 March 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link
ha i def thought of u when i saw that, tuff break bro
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 March 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
I'm a two-time offender now, I made my bed
― gbx, Friday, 20 March 2015 16:49 (nine years ago) link
gbx gets a pass
you know who is really smart and interesting and who has a show that i didn't realize existed but that i will now try to watch? rachel nichols. her podcast with simmons was v enjoyable
― k3vin k., Friday, 20 March 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
yeah her on air persona comes off as really contrived but she def has her head in the game
― lag∞n, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
hm will listen, have never liked listening to her, never liked her cadence and inflections.
― Steph def def (Spottie), Friday, 20 March 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
at various roger goodell press conferences, she asked the best questions
― mookieproof, Friday, 20 March 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
I would love to know how my wife handled it if we were to go out for dinner once a week for four weeks, and every time, I wouldn’t say that much and would act weird but make just enough jokes to make the dinner passable … only every time we went out with another couple, I’d be hilarious and gregarious and charismatic and keep telling everyone, “You’re with Double-Date Simmons tonight!!!!!” You know what would happen? She’d dump Double Date Simmons and Regular Season Simmons. Only in sports can you pull off the idea of Playoff Rondo. And now it’s dead. R.I.P.
jesus, bill
― moullet, Sunday, 26 April 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link
lol i was thinking about that analogy last night. v funny!
― k3vin k., Sunday, 26 April 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
he shdve extended it to when he finally behaved like regular season simmons on a double date for maximum descriptive power
― lag∞n, Sunday, 26 April 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link
"We’ve been waiting for Floyd-versus-Manny for six to seven solid years … it’s the biggest of Big Fights" -- Bill Simmons, 2015
"Unquestionably, it's the biggest fight in years. It's also the last Big Fight, period." -- Bill Simmons on Mayweather vs. De La Hoya, 2007
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 2 May 2015 00:31 (eight years ago) link
Boxing has drastically receded in importance in the USA, where the Big Money is, so the idea that Americans will eventually lose their interest in Big Fights is hardly preposterous. It's pretty damn hard to think of any matches outside of Floyd vs. Manny that would prompt more than a "uh, who's that?" among American sports fans right now.
― Aimless, Saturday, 2 May 2015 19:23 (eight years ago) link
@NYTSportsScoop from @RichSandomir: @BillSimmons is leaving ESPN. Story coming soon here @NYTSports.
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link
rip grantland
― balls, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:32 (eight years ago) link
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/bill-simmons-would-be-nuts-to-leave-espn-2014-10
― micah, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:33 (eight years ago) link
somehow i think he has the money to keep grantland running
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:38 (eight years ago) link
except he doesnt own grantland
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
they say they want to keep it but idk
Grantland, the sports and entertainment site run by Simmons for ESPN, will be unaffected by his departure, Skipper said.
“It long ago went from being a Bill Simmons site to one that can stand on its own,” Skipper said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/09/sports/bill-simmons-and-espn-are-parting-ways.html
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:43 (eight years ago) link
yeah one of the sources of friction was grantland. he wanted more resources for video, wanted to shield his writers from traffic/clickbait demands, they wanted sports buzzfeed.
― balls, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link
hm, well as zach lowe and some others on that site still have a job, its aight...but if it really does turn into sports buzzfeed more or less that will suck
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link
wld not be surprised if they fucked around with it for a while then gave up its a pretty odd not that great site that doesnt have that many readers
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link
when someone is all i want to make something "good" but really has no specific vision
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
simmons to buzzfeed or bleacher report then? how about ~fusion~
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
i have not seen the traffic stats - how do you look that stuff up? honest question
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:53 (eight years ago) link
i dont think theyre made publicly available thats just my impression
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:55 (eight years ago) link
― mookieproof, Friday, May 8, 2015 10:52 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah who knows does he want another grantland does he want an independent grantland does he just want to be a writer again does he want to be on tv what does bill simmons want
maybe vox media
i mean there are third party sites that estimate traffic but they are xtremely unreliable
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:56 (eight years ago) link
tho i wonder if any of those companies that actually rely on web traffic wld given him a new grantland considering his anti traffic stance, maybe fusion is the wave they dont care and they have tv
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:58 (eight years ago) link
but they r ~post text~ lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link
find myself in the unanticipated position of realizing i quite like grantland and that even tho i didn't read his stuff it probably won't be as good without simmons if it does survive at all
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 8 May 2015 15:04 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dHaMV_eXko
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 15:12 (eight years ago) link
guess espn is all-in on whitlock now amirite
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 May 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link
kinda doubt they care too much abt all these sites, theyre so minuscule compared to their tv business, theyre just messing around hoping to find some sort of hit
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 15:16 (eight years ago) link
wonder whats gonna happen when nate silvers contract is up lol
hope he timed that for an election cycle when he should have no trouble finding other work
― head clowning instructor (art), Friday, 8 May 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, May 8, 2015 11:16 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ha the worldwide leader is 100% about "fit" so my guess is peace out best of luck
― juice college (agent hibachi), Friday, 8 May 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
I'm totally unsurprised by this and also weirdly interested to see what Simmons does
My best guess is someone will pony up a ton of cash for a regular weekly column just for the name (yahoo? Deadspin would be hilarious) and otherwise he might hole up and write another book? He kinda seems to hate that process tho
I bet someone else will give him a modest blank check to exec produce another 30 for 30 type series, maybe fox or nbc for their sports networks, best bet I would guess wld be Netflix. I imagine it would be much more occasional and more like the bigger movie type ones they did like the U and fab 5' so prob just a couple a year. He may not care enough to do it at all tho
― juice college (agent hibachi), Friday, 8 May 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link
i remember reading him being frustrated w/ espn's inability to monetize podcasts, that the internet was something they just paid very little attention to in general (and he understood why) but that he had seen you could make more money than what espn was doing w/ it so short of an espn competitor making a godfather offer i would not be surprised at all if w/ podcasts at least he went some route w/ carolla and kimmel. he's definitely seemed much more interested in doing video/tv type stuff though so nbc or fox could be possible, that would be much more difficult/risky to pull off independently. i wonder if espn will do any kind of blackout w/ him down the stretch the way they did w/ dan patrick.
― balls, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
i don't think simmons is gonna go to another media org. i bet he either takes vc money and builds out his own thing or does something with, like, hbo.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 May 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
"media org" i mean news media org, esp website
i don't think he cares that much about writing anymore
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 May 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
ya sounds about right one of those weekly hbo civilized sports talk shows that no one watches, produce an occasional documentary, prob get bored and start blogging
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
yeah his writing has been pretty much about maintaining his brand for awhile. big lead speculates it pretty much came down to money and espn thinking if they devote this much money to keeping simmons then what are they gonna have to do to keep real revenue generators like (wait for it) skip bayless and colin cowherd?
― balls, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link
it also seems like they just hate him and felt like showing him that he actually matters not at all to what they do which is true
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
like if hes gonna obnoxiously insult their corporate partners and them then whats the point espn is for showing the nfl not for bill simmons
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:47 (eight years ago) link
i mean i doubt skip bayless or colin cowherd matter to them either
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link
he shd go to the nytimes.com lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link
cowherd generates serious revenue though, i'm not sure if he's dumb enough to think it's because he's great and he could just pick up and do that elsewhere. dan patrick had that remark about 'espn muscles' when cowherd attacked him.
― balls, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
espn makes its money from broadcasting sports fullstop
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
the personalities are replaceable
i mean im sure the ppl who run the divisions in which the personalities work wldnt look at it that way but ultimately the reason they can charge cable companies as much in carriage fees as all the the other networks combined is because they have live sports
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link
It’s rumored that Simmons made $3 million per year. If that’s true, he was severely underpaid per his return on investment.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 8 May 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link
(However, I was just reminded that he earns royalties from 30 for 30.)
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link
curious how ur calculating the simmons roi
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link
ad rates
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
the cost are like way more than his $3m a/year tho, also no one knows how many impressions/views/etc hes producing across all the platforms
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link
the cost are like way more than his $3m a/year tho
Sure. However, the costs are insignificant. Moreover, they are spread across groups.
also no one knows how many impressions/views/etc hes producing across all the platforms
They (Grantland, podcasts, and television) are very estimable.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link
idk man i dont think its a coincidence that most ppl dont get simmons type money or their own fiefdoms and espn were fine with letting him walk, i mean how many of those views were simmons views and how many were espn views
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
Andrew Golis @agolis 5m5 minutes agoI'm calling it now: Bill Simmons, first Editor In Chief of Snapchat.
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:19 (eight years ago) link
anon espn insider reactions http://deadspin.com/espners-bill-simmons-found-out-he-was-fired-on-twitter-1703112625
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:20 (eight years ago) link
i dont think its a coincidence that most ppl dont get simmons type money or their own fiefdoms and espn were fine with letting him walk
Sure. A lot of people are underpaid. ESPN ad revenues were $3.9 billion in 2014. Money wasn’t the issue.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
i agree that ultimately its small change to them but there does seem to be some dynamic of them rolling out the red carpet for him and he still wldnt be a team player, and obvs from a marxist perspective everyone at espn is prob underpaid
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link
but from a capitalist perspective i kinda doubt he was
Fair. (And everyone is underpaid except John Skipper. He makes $5 million per year and an addition $10-15 million in stock!)
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
Really? You think he’ll make less than $3 million in his next position?
naw hell prob make the same or more from some thirsty startfucking company, still doesnt make it good business, like has katie courics contract paid off for yahoo prob not
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
(And everyone is underpaid except John Skipper. He makes $5 million per year and an addition $10-15 million in stock!)
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, May 8, 2015 1:25 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
btw i am willing to do that job for only $4m a year +stock espn call me
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
—“Ding Dong the witch is dead.” (That’s how one ESPN staffer describes the vibe in Bristol.)
lol if espn thinks that bill simmons out of all their personalities is the fuckin wicked witch there's...quite a lot wrong with that network
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
http://sports.genius.com/
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
LOL @ http://sports.genius.com/ is actually a thing on the internet.
lmao wld be interested in rubbernecking that marriage tbh
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Friday, May 8, 2015 1:29 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya it is clearly a post apocalyptic hellscape
was gonna say genius seems a good fit, let's see
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 May 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
man i blinked and missed rap genius exploding, i knew they broadened to like lyrics in general or w/e but i had no idea they were doing sports and shit thats kinda scary
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
trying to reach escape velocity from the seo wasteland
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
Christopher Hayes @chrislhayes 20s20 seconds ago Manhattan, NYESPN brass showing a surprising degree of confidence that @BillSimmons isn't going to proceed to tell the world every one of their secrets.
best possible outcome is a 50k word multipart tell all hit piece
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link
spread over 500 genius annotations of course
this is almost certainly going to happen
― frogbs, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
can't wait
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
i'd say deadspin would kill to host that but it won't matter b/c they'll just cut up various simmdog revelations into multiple kinja posts and shit them out at staggered intervals throughout the day for optimum #views
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
hes got to have signed a non disclosure but maybe doesnt gaf
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
will prob just talk abt it on the pod then i will have to beg ilh posters to tell me what he said
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
burns me up how pods r where all the good gossip is
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
he doesn't have dgaf money as much as i would love for him to just destroy espn
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
kimmel could prob float him some safety net cash on the d/l if he wants to go on an anti-ESPN blitzkrieg
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
wld be a reasonable enough calculation that its not worth it for espn to sue him, tho obvs itd hurt his future employment prospects
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link
how much is dgaf money he def has way more than it wld take for me to not gaf lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link
rather than a huge hit piece hell prob just be taking weird passive agressive shots at them til the end of time
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link
idk $3m/year for the past five years doesn't seem like "i could definitely survive getting sued by the walt disney corp" money
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link
pass/agg shots much more his style
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
the no way sna of sports personalities
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:08 (eight years ago) link
i have a theory that grantland will be much better now simmons has gone, sorta like when the knicks lost patrick ewing
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
http://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/05/08/bill-simmons-espn-part-ways
― balls, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
noiiiiice
― frogbs, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
the majority of the Grantland staff swear by Simmons and hold him responsible for the creative freedom and large salaries that have.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
well yea, i mean something tells me disney/espn suits were not the impetus behind wesley morris earning 6 figures to write about movies
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link
(which, knowing a handful of paid movie critics, i can say is pretty high for someone w/o ebertesque syndication!)
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
yeah if i had to guess grantland is prob fd
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
then again, the SI piece makes a good point saying that they'll prob run it as long as absolutely possible just to prove that they don't need simmons's #name and #brand
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
or close it/ruin it out of spite/disinterest
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:31 (eight years ago) link
feel like if its true they want a more buzzfeedy site than thats prob what theyll do
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
countdown to zach lowe getting rolled into insider
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
yeah the speculation i've seen (and the skipper quote seems to confirm) is that in the short term at least they'll continue it out of spite to 'prove' that bill simmons had nothing to do w/ grantland's success
― balls, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
is grantland successful tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
i mean its successful enough, it prob gets slightly more/about the same viewers as deadspin
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
if i had to guess id say deadspin is much bigger
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
and they dont have espn.com feeding them traffic either
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
blatant kinja partisanship, smh
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
I will weep for lambert and netw3rk and that's about it
― Clay, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
lowe tho? morris?
i like andy greenwald's tv reviewing, when he gets into This Is What TV Means In Culture stuff that gets annoying though
rembert is a clown who while not an /entirely/ untalented writer steers into literally every cliche about people my age who write for the internet and seems to really enjoy doing so
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
i think most if not all of the grantland writers will bolt over the course of the next few months unless they are under contract
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 May 2015 20:09 (eight years ago) link
I've complained abt Lowe a lot actually. I like him as a talker much more than I do a writer. He's just not graceful as a stylist.
― Clay, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:16 (eight years ago) link
i respect that zach will debate himself and conclude with "i'm not sure what i think" but sometimes he hems and haws a bit much
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 May 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
can't believe i got a nytimes notification on my phone about bill simmons this morning btw like since when is this boston basketball blogger that big a deal, congrats to thebostonsportsguy on his impeccable brand
― Clay, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
i mean of boston sports people better it happen to him than shaughnessy or literally anyone from fucking WEEI
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
hes the biggest sportswriter in the country, also espn gave nytimes the exclusive xp
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
apparently they docked his pay for getting suspended last year, but they waited until 6 days before christmas to do it. classy!
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:49 (eight years ago) link
i dont think lowe is a good writer or anything but i have learned a lot having him explain basketball plays to me
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:49 (eight years ago) link
shdve done it on christmas imo
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link
lag∞nPosted: May 8, 2015 at 1:48:45 PMhes the biggest sportswriter in the country, also espn gave nytimes the exclusive xp
didn't know abt the latter. But idk Simmons is such a goof and to me he's eternally the gasbag making up insane trades next to Loaded Weapon metaphors on Page 2. Seems weird for him to occupy notification space usually reserved for election results or terrorism updates.
― Clay, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
i mostly skim lowe these days, i hate the structure of his columns
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
Guys are you ready
Since they didn't fire him they're just not renewing him...
What is Bill Simmons's expiring contract worth?
― juice college (agent hibachi), Friday, 8 May 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
Seems weird for him to occupy notification space usually reserved for election results or terrorism updates.
― Clay, Friday, May 8, 2015 4:52 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya tbh felt the same when i saw the alert way up at the top of the site
He's one of those so overrated he's underrated guys, like in rocky 4 where Stallone is so wait what am I doing kill me xps
― Clay, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
at this point he has to be inserting those refs in there to provoke those exact reactions
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
i have a theory that grantland will be much better now simmons has gone, sorta like when the knicks lost patrick ewing― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, May 8, 2015 3:10 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, May 8, 2015 3:10 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a+
talking out of my ass, but i'm gonna guess fox
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:15 (eight years ago) link
this sucks tbh
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:49 (eight years ago) link
yeah pretty rough for nba/sox/pats/godfather fans, too bad they'll no longer get the inside scoop
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:11 (eight years ago) link
simmons will be fine, he'll find his way obv. But it's probably super dumb of espn to ditch the cult of simmons, there's no other figures like him out there and what like 95% of their on-air talent is either toxic or inoffensive to the point of insult. I mostly feel for the grantland writers who must feel like their career is very much in flux because bill simmons rightly is unafraid of saying roger goodell is a monster.
― Clay, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:20 (eight years ago) link
by all accounts simmons had vision and treated his staff well. when grantland goes the way of idolator it'll be sad
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:23 (eight years ago) link
Can't for the life of me see what ESPN has to gain by doing this.
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:23 (eight years ago) link
the amount of money simmons brings ESPN is probably a drop in their overall bucket. from that standpoint, and given how he openly flouts the company line, it's an understandable business decision
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link
i think it's clear they had no intention of paying simmons after this contract was up but the decision to announce it now is impulsive and dumb. i really don't see simmons being the good soldier type for the next 4 months.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:26 (eight years ago) link
― k3vin k., Friday, May 8, 2015 9:23 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, i didn't read that much grantland stuff but it did a good job of being a general purpose site where you could go putter around without being offended or irritated which is a bigger compliment than it sounds.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:28 (eight years ago) link
yeah i mean i didn't fuck with their pop culture stuff, i was strictly simmons/lowe/keri
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:33 (eight years ago) link
espn can afford to keep grantland and its writers well-paid no matter its hits; it offers a modicum of journalistic integrity to an organization that otherwise has none. bless simmons for assembling (and being able to assemble) the talent, but i'm skeptical that his editorial prowess is what made it work. and i would hope espn would be very much at pains to demonstrate that
nor was simmons wrong about goodell, etc., but there's a difference between truth-telling and very deliberately being a dick to your employer
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:40 (eight years ago) link
simmons has been a pretty firm proponent of 'just hire talented ppl, leave them alone, and let them do what they do' w/ 30 for 30 and grantland and it's worked to their benefit w/ both. 30 for 30 is probably the real money making thing he's come up w/ them (esp now that they're going into stuff that doesn't even feel like the original spirit of 30 for 30 ie another documentary about the willis reed knicks)(which i enjoyed mind you and they did dig up that awesome footage of reed taking on an entire team but it wasn't exactly a story that hadn't been told before).
i think he wanted to stay at espn and was even being a good soldier in his way - he's been on espn radio alot more than he was in the past (though not mike and mike lol)(and some of that is just him and russillo becoming bros i guess) and he had this weird long monologue about his history w/ espn on a podcast a little while back. from what i've read today fox seems like a good bet, they're thirsty as hell and it would put them on the map, he's apparently got friends over there already and he's a big katie nolan fan. they don't have nba but it's not like he was going back to working pregames at espn anyway.
― balls, Saturday, 9 May 2015 02:10 (eight years ago) link
and he's a big katie nolan fan.
lool
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 9 May 2015 02:27 (eight years ago) link
idk who that is
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 02:34 (eight years ago) link
didn't want to do it; felt i owed it to him
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 02:41 (eight years ago) link
give it to Olberman imo
― polyphonic, Saturday, 9 May 2015 03:15 (eight years ago) link
yeah pretty rough for nba/sox/pats/godfather fans, too bad they'll no longer get the inside scoop --mookieproof
you tell em
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 9 May 2015 04:55 (eight years ago) link
<3
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 05:09 (eight years ago) link
I'm w Kevin on this. Use grantland like he does.
― #wegonnabechampionship (Spottie), Saturday, 9 May 2015 05:10 (eight years ago) link
grantland is pretty bad imo, there are a few good writers on there but overall it perfectly represents the middlebrow quality signifying nothing ethos of hacks everywhere, there doesnt seem to be any sort of vision behind it besides the vague idea of making something "good"
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link
shd be noted too they publish some of the most remarkably pop culture begging ass face basketball writing ever written on a regular basis
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
like u want to read a bunch of grown men get all wound up about a vine of a vicious dunk and then compare it to some game of thrones gifs grantland.com is the website 4 u
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link
I mean sometimes there's nothing wrong with that, and sometimes you end up with the enshrined memeification of dion waiters, it's a fine line
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:33 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Saturday, May 9, 2015 11:22 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Saturday, May 9, 2015 11:24 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Saturday, May 9, 2015 11:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
all of this
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/Ht5MKwZ.png
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 17:22 (eight years ago) link
of the many things you can knock grantland for I fail to see how a pun headline and a perfectly decent if not exactly earth shaking article in praise of tony allen is one of them
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 9 May 2015 17:35 (eight years ago) link
k
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link
the amount of money simmons brings ESPN is probably a drop in their overall bucket.
^ this
roger goodell may be a monster, but game recognizes game so to speak, and the ceo of espn knows that the nfl is worth billions to them, and goodell (being a monster like himself) will doubtless crush any entity that even vaguely threatens his vastly profitable machine. so spinner obligingly crushed simmons as a gesture of good will toward goodell, as one monster to another. that's business, ladies and gentlemen.
― Aimless, Saturday, 9 May 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
Yea you don't stop to the lord god nfl and expect to come out clean in the end
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 9 May 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
all true i respect simmons for being a rebel and speaking truth to power in this case
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
and publicly beefing w yr evil employer is p cool / more ppl shd do it
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link
― Aimless, Saturday, May 9, 2015 2:18 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no one should be celebrating this
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 May 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
i don't think the nfl had a whole lot to do with this decision on espn's part
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 10 May 2015 03:44 (eight years ago) link
spinner just wanted simmons to spend more time with his family?
― Aimless, Sunday, 10 May 2015 03:46 (eight years ago) link
who is spinner? what are you talking about?
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 10 May 2015 03:50 (eight years ago) link
sorry, the ceo of espn is skipper
― Aimless, Sunday, 10 May 2015 03:53 (eight years ago) link
aw sad that a dullard lost a gig
― hunangarage, Sunday, 10 May 2015 05:43 (eight years ago) link
Damn, it's really hitting me now. No more podcasts. No more Guesss the Lines with Cousin Sal. No more mailbags. This really sucks. Fuck you, ESPN.
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 10 May 2015 14:12 (eight years ago) link
lolol
― mookieproof, Sunday, 10 May 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
bill mad halftime wasnt longer my lord
He also seemed frustrated by what he considered the inadequate amount of time devoted to halftime, and other ancillary shows, and objected to slotting pre- and post-game coverage directly opposite big playoff games on other networks.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/05/inside-shocking-abrupt-divorce-bill-simmons-and-espn
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
my dvr says there is a new episode of the grantland basketball hour on tuesday but i'm guessing that is not going to happen. it would be great tho if they replaced him as host w/ someone and made jalen and lowe sit through it all like nothing happened.
― Clay, Monday, 11 May 2015 01:34 (eight years ago) link
that piece says the BS report might continue with a new host, which...
― k3vin k., Monday, 11 May 2015 01:36 (eight years ago) link
ya u know theyre gonna cant just let all those subscribers go
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 01:45 (eight years ago) link
big steendriver report
― mookieproof, Monday, 11 May 2015 01:59 (eight years ago) link
The author of that story in Vanity fair seems to think that Simmons' criticism of Roger Goodell had a whole lot to do with his firing.
― Aimless, Monday, 11 May 2015 04:35 (eight years ago) link
bill is sadhttp://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--WUGsExgy--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1246882598124803732.jpg
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link
:(
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link
one thing thats weird abt this is the universal acclaim for the 30 for 30 series, like theyre alright prob better than ur average basic cable doc but nothing on level of what say pbs regularly produces and nowhere near a theatrical release, some of them ive seen have been down right bad like the loyola marymount one showing hank gathers collapsing in slow mo 100 times and only showing 5 seconds of game footage while spending a good chunk of the piece talking about their crazy exciting style of play
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link
do tons of ppl watch them are they a huge ratings winner why do they merit such high praise
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
winning time, benji, bad boys, price of gold all really good imo
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
bad boys /is/ marred by its kid rock narration though :l
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
is it cause there has to be a non writing simmons endeavor writers can point and and be like this was successful otherwise ur just left with a money losing website and a flameout as a tv guy
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
or was espn paying him $5m a year to write infrequently and dispassionately
the podcast is v popular i guess but its hard to srsly argue for a pod even in our post serial reality
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link
yeah there were some good ones and some bad ones, speaks to lowering standards for tv and sports coverage as much as anything. i wonder if some of the acclaim they got in the media was due to the fact that espn was funding the directors to pursue an idea and presentation of their choosing, seems like no particular style was dictated and espn was fairly hands-off.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
i thought broke was really bad, jesus was that a missed opportunity.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link
mostly they kinda came off as boring ponderous behind the sports music
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:02 (eight years ago) link
wait what are these awesome sports docs pbs regularly produces that i've been missing
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link
that wld be cool, just meant docs generally
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/aUFn3yd.jpg
daddys nap time
yeah i think what alot of ppl liked about 30 for 30 was it wasn't ye olde ken burns baseball reverence/stories told a million times. different strokes for different folx though.
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link
due to the fact that espn was funding the directors to pursue an idea and presentation of their choosing, seems like no particular style was dictated and espn was fairly hands-off.
thats definitely a huge part of why they were well-regarded, far as i can tell
the nelson george doc about magic johnson is pretty good, that and the others i named and four days in october (which is objectively a mediocre doc but, yknow, red sox #feelings) are all i've seen
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
i wasnt suggesting a ken bunrs style fwiw just pointing out that on a weekly basis frontline / nova / american experience do much high quality work than 30/30 which is much closer to a history channel/vh1 just standard not that great slapped together tv doc, they just seem totally unremarkable quality wise as well as style and subject matter
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
it wasn't ye olde ken burns baseball reverence/stories told a million times
― balls, Monday, May 11, 2015 12:05 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
none of them were exactly obscure subjects lol
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
did u guys know chris webber called a timeout
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:10 (eight years ago) link
miami hurricanes were good in the 80s
some of them were! the usfl one was fun.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
though it's gotten away from that. initially it was let talented ppl (ok or 'talented' ppl) tell stories that haven't been told a million times before, w/ the appeal being that you had different styles plus fresh stories as opposed to hbo uniform sports docs about the brooklyn dodgers. it was hit or miss even then (and not in predictable ways ie the barbara kopple one being one of the worst ones) but it was entertaining as hell at its best (the oj one, the u, the reggie/knicks one). it is funny though cuz that first wave was a big ratings and critical hit and then espn just shelved it until simmons publicly bitched and moaned enough that they brought it back. they've figured out 'o right, easy cash cow' and the distinctiveness is gone (can't remember the last time they bragged about the director of one of these) plus they're doing hbo type stories (again w/ the willis reed knicks) but even those are usually entertaining and occasionally they still produce one that seems unique and specific to the 30 for 30 idea - the big east one, i hate christian laetnner. i mean a pbs one would spend half the time w/ frank deford explaining who christian laetnner was and what basketball is, then wonder why anyone could hate duke it's one of our finest universities and coach k is an inspiring figure to the young men he's been a father figure to, and then expose its viewers to the shocking reality that college sports is corrupt and exploitive.
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:16 (eight years ago) link
yeah i mean some of them r cool just wondering why the universal praise when they are quite obviously totally ordinary
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
also frontline wld make a million times better christian laetnner one, american experience maybe not
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
spoken like a man who's never heard npr's sports coverage
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
initially it was let talented ppl (ok or 'talented' ppl) tell stories that haven't been told a million times before, w/ the appeal being that you had different styles plus fresh stories as opposed to hbo uniform sports docs about the brooklyn dodgers.
― balls, Monday, May 11, 2015 12:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean i understand that this is the marketing pitch but i dont think its actually is what happened, prob partially cuase simmons was involved and his idea of doing something different is still gonna be very conventional
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
also frontline wld make a million times better christian laetnner one
i think the point is that frontline's not going to bother.
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
i mean i can guarantee you in the frontline laetnner one unlv and michigan are the bad guys
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
although i'm sure all things being equal that statement is true xp to self
― balls, Monday, May 11, 2015 12:21 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
omg u clearly are clearly not a regular frontline viewer
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link
that first wave each one was pretty different than the others and lol at the guy repping for ken burns baseball as what 30 for 30 should aspire to calling june 17th, 1994 conventional
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link
frontlines wld be abt how college basketball is all bad, they have prob already made that one tbh, anyway my point abt pbs was just that they produce higher quality work not that the 30/30 series shdve been actually done by them
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
lol at the guy repping for ken burns baseball as what 30 for 30
― balls, Monday, May 11, 2015 12:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol have constantly zero reading comprehension
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link
i'll take albert maysles over ken burns any day
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, May 11, 2015 12:04 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hmm what cld this mean
like theyre alright prob better than ur average basic cable doc but nothing on level of what say pbs regularly produces and nowhere near a theatrical releasey
― lag∞n, Monday, May 11, 2015 11:51 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its weird u didnt start being all THEATRICAL DOCUMENTARY RELEASES ARE LIKE THIS
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link
hey if there's other pbs sports docs you want to rep for feel free. maybe the expose that omg brace yrself concussions are bad and you can get them from playing football.
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
what theatrical releasey sports docs are you talking about (million dollar arm not actually a documentary)
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
u realize i was just saying they are not very well produced documentaries right like i suspect u realize that
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
idk is there some sort of side door for sports movies are they graded on a curve shd i be all this bad movie is good because it is about sports
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
i have never seen ken burns baseball btw lol no thank u
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link
i mean if you're just saying 'eh, the u was alright but you know what was really awesome - SHOAH' then yeah sure
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link
theyre just not that good as movies this is not that hard to understand
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
tv shows whatever
sports docs are totally graded on a curve - not to say that they should be, but i think that's definitely the case.
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
an episode of espns previous doc series the direct rip off of behind the music (behind the... lights?) wld prob pass for a 30 for 30 ep no prob
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
most likely due to lowered expectations given that the subject is sports and not, say, edward snowden's whistleblowing
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
thx for blowing our minds w/ the insight that bill simmons has yet to produce a mailbag or podcast or tv show that can compare to shoah. maybe next you can weigh in on fetty wap vs bach.
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link
lol u cant stop
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-is-a-shitty-writer-1703163076?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
not that this isn't in many aspects true, especially given how his writing has declined, but deadspin is in serious pot/kettle territory given that they employ drew magary to write what are basically simmons columns and mailbags with a lot more fuckwords and a v tryhard faux truth-to-power stance
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
importance of 30 for 30 series is that it's a particular type of content and it's on Netflix
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
but since u asked fetty wap > bach
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
now is that based on a similar calculation w/ 30 for 30 and pbs sports docs ie you're not actually familiar w/ either
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
u cld start yr own thread and just like say what u r pretending im saying then respond with yr very cool not wildly irrelevant strange zings
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link
all in defense of an obviously completely mediocre tv show
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link
i guess in answer to my original question: no one really knows why ppl like it, but they do seem to like it... a lot
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
yes yr reading comprehension is great
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:47 (eight years ago) link
there is no alternative for that kind of sports docu variety
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link
goon what's yr take on dylie dollas vs mahler?
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link
espn had another series before: beyond the glory lol m/l same idea
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link
no one really knows why ppl like it
it is literally because there isn't much of an alternative, for those with any interest in sports docs, and as a result prob better regarded than it deserves as a whole. some are whatever, some have been very good. no more complex than that
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
i sometimes wonder if you're gregg easterbrook irl
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
― balls, Monday, May 11, 2015 12:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wow too obscure 4 me sry i mostly listen to buzz ballad compilation cds
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
xxxp narrated by Jay Mohr
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
if deadspin or fox sports 1 or whoever made better ones i think people would say they're better.
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Monday, May 11, 2015 12:52 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
idk i feel like theres something else going on here, there is a simmons halo effect which radiates out from typical hyperbolic social media behavior "OMG THIS THE U SHIT IS FIRE" and then when journalists needed am accomplishment to point to in order to have balance in their simmons/espn breakup pieces it was sitting their conveniently, the only thing is it actually serves to obscure the truth which is that simmons was not that hard to fire for espn cause he was m/l a failure in his non writing roles which is the stuff he wants to do most
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link
in that sense i guess he is valuable to espn cause i dont think anyone wldve been talking abt 30 for 30 w/o him
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:01 (eight years ago) link
i did wonder if the overnights for that last gbh played a part, if it was just skipper realising 'this guy is never going to be worth the headache, the internet doesn't translate to bigger mediums, we've maximized what we're getting out of him' but it sounds like it really was just espn still being so damn sore at dan patrick. in lighter news cowherd might jump to do his own political talk radio show.
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
i think they prob fired him cause they were mad abt nfl/patrick/general difficultness but his ingenious ideas falling flat had to have made it easier
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
yea i'm sure it was a conglomeration of all those things
god help us all re: cowherd
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
and for all the speculation w/ goodell i doubt simmons was really on his radar. in terms of journalists he'd like shitcanned i suspect rachel nichols is higher on that list, nevermind don van natta.
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
seems like its more an affront to the espn brass that simmons isnt being a team player
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link
― balls, Monday, May 11, 2015 12:52 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
LOW BLOW
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link
the calculus isn't hard to figure out, if he were a team player they could ignore the financial return and if grantland were printing money he'd get license to keep being a pain in the ass
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link
i admit that i am in fact gregg easterbrook
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link
(not totally sure who gregg easterbrook is)
a distinctly atrocious espn person
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link
he sounds good
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link
er, former espn person
brookings institute fellow responsible for the most tedious football writing ever published
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link
and that's when i wrote in my notebook, 'thread over'
― mookieproof, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link
close but this is actually me irl
http://i.imgur.com/uxIziBR.jpg
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link
http://loudgif.com/?g=http://i.imgur.com/uxIziBR.jpg&v=i_kF4zLNKio&s=5
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
lol ty, i feel like we've accomplished something here
― call all destroyer, Monday, 11 May 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
beautiful and terrible to behold
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
"trap queen" is naturally the beautiful part
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 18:09 (eight years ago) link
There was a gap in the market for middlebrow sports docs and bill was smart enough to realize that and push for the project, to find directors to give it some street cred, and to fight to keep it on the air after the initial run. Now ESPN has a product they can put on Netflix. The rest of their shows are built around the present day and have no shelf life. Plus, 30 for 30 won ESPN a Peabody and a few other awards, which are nice feathers in your cap for when people say you're the devil. So they have an middlebrow prestige show that people actually watch and from which they continue to make money, and Simmons made it happen. And every hour they air is an hour where Rick Bayless's brother isn't saying something racist.
― polyphonic, Monday, 11 May 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link
Does not compute, where's your bow tie man?
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Monday, 11 May 2015 18:22 (eight years ago) link
Rick Bayless's brother
lol i kiss u poly
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Monday, 11 May 2015 18:32 (eight years ago) link
i'd love for simmons to go to deadspin and demand they fire whoever "albert burneko" is
― k3vin k., Monday, 11 May 2015 19:06 (eight years ago) link
they cant fire albert burneko... he follows me on twitter
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link
hating on simmons like that is just like...bless your heart man. gotta churn out those $20 a pop columns somehow i guess
― k3vin k., Monday, 11 May 2015 19:09 (eight years ago) link
if someone did a comprehensive simmons take down i wld be there for it but yeah deadspin been zinging him so long its hard to feel anything abt it
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
who am i joking i am there for the zings too
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
what would a simmons "takedown" even consist of that that article didn't already address? that he leans on his old schtick a little too much? ok. he's enormously successful, produces quality content (in one form or another), and seems to be a decent guy. it's not like he's whitlock. i mean i get that he's the sort of guy a nobody like "albert burneko" has to punch up at, but at least come hard if you're gonna come at him. you think simmons, or anyone who reads him, gives a shit about this dude's "I graduated from a journalism school and THIS i tell you is poor journalism!" really? get a life man. or at least find someone worthy of the takedown
― k3vin k., Monday, 11 May 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
dik what a takedown wld look like but i am ready to find out
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
simmons shd open a bar and blog abt the bar imo
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
it's just laughable coming from deadspin given how their (arguably) best-known writer is a fusion of simmons and...idk the worst matt taibbi columns, not to mention if anyone thinks deadspin has a vested interest in the quality of sports writing and /that's/ why they're mocking simmons or pretty much anyone else they mock...chuckle
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
there is nothing remotely edgy or fresh about saying that simmons is repetitive/schticky/etc
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:23 (eight years ago) link
i guess they could dredge up old casual-sexist sports guy shit that is admittedly a bad look but he hasn't been doing much of that in some time
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link
examining what his schtick is what it means from a cultural standpoint how its evolved how that fits in with espn corporate culture etc cld be interesting
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, May 11, 2015 3:21 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
maybe he should do what he (allegedly) boasted about the possibility of doing and come back to boston to do that, people would eat that shit up
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
he's enormously successful and seems like kind of a dick; what is deadspin for if not that
welp, rick reilly and his readers don't give a shit that he sucks, no point in even bringing it up
― mookieproof, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
xxp agreed, but that would involve work & thought rather than 900 words that say nothing more substantive "LOL simmdog u homer dummy" and some c&ping as is the (usual) gawkblog takedown standard
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
for me simmons is very much apiece with the common current prosumer approach of like the onion av club ppl who pretend to know things who dont know anything and see the world as primarily existing in the context of craft and narrative, which is interesting as simmons started out as a i dont know anything guy
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
Drew Magary is pretty funny though, I'll admit it
― frogbs, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link
i thought it was for sports-tmz shit about athletes at first and that's quite entertaining every once in a while the same way fast food is good in moderation, plus the occasional specialty-item in the form of a feature or something that's actually good, but now they have extremely transparent delusions of righteousness or morality or quality
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
yeah deadspin is for finding out that somehow chris christie spent eighty grand in taxpayer money on stadium nachos
― balls, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link
xp the why your team sucks series is fun i can't lie but he's just as aggressively schticky as simmons but puts a lot of (literal and figurative) airquotey bullshit around it so readers who are suckers for that shit are like "oh lol it's meta and edgy"
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
(xxp actually my bad)
― balls, Monday, May 11, 2015 3:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
intuitively we all knew this tho
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link
omg I thought you guys were making up that Chris Christie thing.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Monday, 11 May 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
haha nope
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
to be fair, they're very good nachosactually they are not
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 May 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
for me simmons is very much apiece with the common current prosumer approach of like the onion av club ppl who pretend to know things who dont know anything and see the world as primarily existing in the context of /craft/ and /narrative/, which is interesting as simmons started out as a /i dont know anything/ guy
The whole concept of a sportswriter who claims expertise on every sport is totally ridiculous and needs to be shitcanned
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link
Bleacher report/TNT seems like the best fit for Simmons
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link
Whoa balls used shitcanned too, hive mind ilh shit
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
i don't think he "claims expertise" on anything other than maybe the NBA, but he definitely talks about everything at great length, which is not precisely the same thing
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link
it is sometimes insufferable and sometimes w/e
idk it's like who caaaaares, there are sportswriters out there who are bigoted or are genuinely vicious and not just more or less harmlessly dumb, this act of pointing at the foibles of simmons like, "SEE? SEE?" as if those doing the pointing are having these brave truth-to-power moments of insight that will really /tell it like it is mannnn/, is fucking laughable
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
um no its actually very cool
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:36 (eight years ago) link
If you make the pronouncements he does about sports he doesn't really follow (boxing, hockey, etc) you are implicitly claiming expertise. I guess you could just say he's talking out of his ass but claiming expertise is a nicer way to put it.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:36 (eight years ago) link
It's not like he's the only guy who does it, it's a long established role for sports writers to be an oracle about every fucking sport
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:37 (eight years ago) link
feel like thats just standard sports writer behavior and while not defendable is just kinda boring and typical simmons sends it over the top by fusing that tendency with the most begging ass bro naratives
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link
Idk I find it kind of outrageous as a fan of niche sports when some dickhead lies about being a lifelong scholar of it. Less boring and more nails on chalkboard.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:41 (eight years ago) link
you guys sure seem to know quite a bit about sports writers, but do you have any credentials that I can look over?
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:41 (eight years ago) link
hes working so hard to get u to buy in and just has no chill, this is particularly off putting on tv where while hes supposedly having a conversation hes just picking his prewritten dumb stories and pop culture references out of a hat and it just comes off super stilted and contrived, im sure every tv person operates off a script to some extent but he is very bad at making it seem natural at all, there is no flow he just has to share his amazing ideas abt why the warriors are like 90210
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, May 11, 2015 5:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbf this is also bad
i could see simmons going to turner if they let him build his own website, no way he does anything with bleacher report though
― J0rdan S., Monday, 11 May 2015 21:44 (eight years ago) link
Well I kind of think of bleacher report as just a company/media entity, he's not gonna be a blogger.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link
Simmons to Vice seems like a no brainer
― polyphonic, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link
omg what if inside the nba adds simmons /kills self/
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link
He'll go to pitchfork.
― Jeff, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:47 (eight years ago) link
there is no flow he just has to share his amazing ideas abt why the warriors are like 90210
i dont think anyone really has flow or chill when talking about sports on tv to be fair although he can be pretty awkward, the pop culture references are obviously tired but so are 75% of the standard stylistic tactics on virtually every other sports website
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:47 (eight years ago) link
It would be funny to see Simmons wuss out whenever shaq or chuck says something really dumb (Kenny he'd engage)
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link
dont think anyone really has flow or chill when talking about sports on tv to be fair although he can be pretty awkward, the pop culture references are obviously tired but so are 75% of the standard stylistic tactics on virtually every other sports website
― slothroprhymes, Monday, May 11, 2015 5:47 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
things have distinctive characteristics did u know that
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link
would watch a sports chat show on Vice where norm macdonald just makes fun of simmons and klosterman
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link
do they now xp? im not sure how i offended yr sensibilities with that statement
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:50 (eight years ago) link
the shit deadspin does is repetitive, the shit bleacher report does is repetitive, the shit simmons does is repetitive like how is this any different? it's sportswriting
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:51 (eight years ago) link
actually everything is like that is the goto slothp rhetorical gambit
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link
actually that's everybody's gambit
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:53 (eight years ago) link
/bows/
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
yeah i highly doubt im the first person to default to "everything is kinda shitty/weird/etc." when they don't understand why one particular thing is a source of outrage vs. others
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link
JIM ROSS: OH MY GOD! That's that's Bill Simmons' music!
SIMMONS: http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/h/hulkhogan2/15.jpg
ROSS: NO!!
― polyphonic, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Monday, May 11, 2015 5:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its true everyone does it
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 May 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/how-jason-whitlock-is-poisoning-espns-black-grantland-1698683962
like here is an example of a good takedown piece that happens to contain -- gasp -- some actual journalism. i'll wait for the simmons one
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 13:59 (eight years ago) link
-- gasp --
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:08 (eight years ago) link
some journalism is reporting, some journalism is summarizing/synthesizing, some journalism is opinon
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:09 (eight years ago) link
reporting is obv the preferred route
if you're gonna resort to the latter two for a takedown piece, naked professional jealousy kind of hurts the credibility, imho
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:16 (eight years ago) link
no reporting is not obvs the preferred route, different approaches are appropriate for different situations and they are all actual journalism
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:29 (eight years ago) link
if criticism necessarily involved reporting then criticism wouldn't exist
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:30 (eight years ago) link
the whitlock piece and the simmons takedown are two functionally different things -- not everyone is a whitlock... the cases against whitlock and simmons are different: one is a bad boss and monster, the other is a hack. those require different pieces -- you don't need to report out whether you think someone is bad at writing
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:38 (eight years ago) link
deadspin has reported on simmons also though in a fashion that is rather sympathetic to him http://deadspin.com/the-sports-guy-vs-espn-how-bill-simmons-lost-bristol-1639533260
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link
i'm not going to bother restating my point that a takedown piece with original reporting is better than one without, this is not debatable
xp funny how that works, huh?
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
explain to me how you report out criticism of someone's writing? this is like saying that you need to report out why wale is bad instead of just writing that wale is bad
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:38 AM (1 minute ago)
this is a fair point, sort of limits the impact a piece like that can have tho
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link
sure they are totally different things. like i said, not everyone is a whitlock. that's a very unique situation (for various reasons) which is what has given those pieces their power.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:43 (eight years ago) link
security cam footage of them typing
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link
i hadn't read your post i just quoted yet xp jordan
like i said yesterday given what we know about simmons, that he is generally regarded to be a decent guy if a little egotistical, it's going to be hard to craft a takedown piece with a whole lot of impact. hence what we get are some pieces griping about his writing that amount to not much more than professional jealousy
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:45 (eight years ago) link
imo theres a very good takedown or criticism to be written of bill simmons, i think some of these pieces touch on it but no ones really done a comprehensive job
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link
i mean maybe someone has im sure the ones i havent read far out number the ones i have
i think lagoon made some very good points re: simmons's television presence yday, like as an example of legit criticisms to levy bc in that case the product he's pushing, the grantland bball hour, doesn't really work that well (it's not bad as a podcast! he just doesn't have great on-camera presence and those weird animations are dumb as hell). the point being, you could say something like, he's overextended, he should stay in his lane, and that functions as a fair criticism of how his egotism has gotten a bit out of control.
naturally, deadspin has to tie in some shit about how he's TEH VOICE OF BROS, which is funny imo because i know more bros who read deadspin and fucking barstool sports (vomit) for their sports #content than i do sports fans of the bro or non-bro variety who bother to have much of an opinion about simmons.
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 15:02 (eight years ago) link
lol maybe bro culture has passed simmons by :(
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 15:11 (eight years ago) link
hes pretty middle aged these days
he's cooked
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link
its settled then
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link
lol, i mean it kinda has. but yeah uhhh burnenko, petechesky, magary, deadspin crew - do you know who reads your site or do you think it's all #cultured people from coastal cities who happen to like sports gossip? you're not like the fuckin thinking person's sports site (does such a thing exist? could it? lol) by a long shot
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link
feel like they consider themselves more counter cultural than intellectual, which very well also may not be reflected in their readership
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
or their writing staff. leitch is george plimpton compared to those guys.
― balls, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link
kinda think about the 'we need a definitive/good simmons takedown' talk the way i do when i hear 'someone better than joss whedon needs to be making the marvel movies'. like no, these are trivial generally worthless pursuits, the ppl doing these things are generally the best ppl you want doing these things, anyone capable of better doesn't need to doing something like a bill simmons takedown or hulk movie. i mean say this much for gawker media, there's nobody there where you can say 'wow this person is capable of so much more than this', nobody's talent is being held back, they're all maximizing their potential there.
― balls, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
bill simmons is the most successful guy in his profession and worthy of being criticized well!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
his profession is generally irrelevant to the larger world!
― balls, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
its not like the most important thing but a good critic writing a few thousand words on it is not going to rob society of anything really
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
lol lagoon ur just a drama queen we found u out
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link
in it for the juicy deets
hey man i never denied loving juice deets
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
he is the juicydeetsman
― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
there are a few pretty good people at deadspin, most if not all of whom are decidedly not the ones bothering to do pot/kettle zingtastic alternatingly faux-naif bloggy/online-hardman posts raging against the sins of ultimately harmless sports media doofuses
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link
the howard longform pieces about whitlock are another thing entirely bc that dude is actively toxic and ruining people's professional careers and pushing viewpoints that the author finds genuinely harmful
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
cant believe u all wont get behind bullying bill simmons smh what has this bord come to
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
also have really enjoyed diana moskovitz's articles and that recent oral history of the clippers series
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
yeah i enjoyed that though i did lol at them even then just openly going 'we should do some grantland shit', clickhole doing an oral history of the flu game like a day later just made it even funnier
― balls, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
those clickhole oral histories obvs better than the grantland and deadspin ones put together
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
*are obvs
oh would you speak of the devil:
Rembert Browne @rembert 2m2 minutes agolist of grantland pieces about deadspin, since 2011:
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link
i've made fun of rem before but he has a point
yeah deadspin went hard at grantland from day one, even publishing a list of grammar mistakes in their first few articles which struck me as being really bitchy
― frogbs, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link
I decided to re-read this for some reason.
http://grantland.com/features/welcome-grantland/
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:50 (eight years ago) link
Tbf ilh blasted grantland in that shaky early phase because really it boiled down to get one (1) editor, not that hard
― juice college (agent hibachi), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
let it never be said that denton (and by extension craggs or whoever's in his chair now) ever hesitated for a second before aggressively moving to attack a threat to its pageviews
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
then as now it was cloaked in this hysterical "we're telling it like it is and taking on big media! IN STRATEGICALLY DEPLOYED ALL CAPS!" tone
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 20:13 (eight years ago) link
gawker does media criticism grantland does not this is not too hard to figure out
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
how in the blue fuck is it a question of "figuring out," the question is "why bother," and somehow i doubt the answer has to do with having strong ethical media-watchdog feelings and everything to do with "that's what people will click on/read," the obvious cold-blooded pragmatism of which wouldn't even be an issue if they would be halfway honest about it instead of pretending they have standards
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
like i'm under 30 and i fall for my fair share of clickbait about various topics i just appreciate it being presented honestly
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
jfc sloth
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:32 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Clay, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
what happened to this thread even
i want to post this about once a week i'm going to take this occasion to actually do it
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/anchorman-i-dont-know-what.gif
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 22:36 (eight years ago) link
http://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/05/12/espn-upfronts-john-skipper-bill-simmons-grantland-epl?xid=nl_siextra
feeling like mr snrub about that van pelt announcement, svp and russillo is the only sports talk radio show i deliberately listen to and enjoy.
― balls, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 00:08 (eight years ago) link
On whether the deal with Simmons broke over money. “It did not come down to money. Look, we're a big company. If it was just dollars and cents, we would have figured something out. "It is about ultimately about what he wants to do, what value that creates, what we want to do together in deciding whether there is going to be a match, and we decided that ultimately there wouldn't be."
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 00:11 (eight years ago) link
On his level of interest for retaining Colin Cowherd and Skip Bayless, whose contracts are coming up: “Very high.”
smdh
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 02:53 (eight years ago) link
I was listening to the Hollywood Prospectus podcast this week, and for the umpteenth time, Ryan and Greenwald were joking about forgetting scenes and characters from the shows they are paid to review. Thought that was particularly tone deaf in light of the questions being asked about Grantland's value in light Simmons' canning.
― klonman, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link
Not that remembering Walda Frey is a matter of life or death, but jesus, have a little bit of professionalism.
― klonman, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link
they shd take notes
― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
tbf that's a running joke for a lot of people who watch game of thrones casually and ryan isn't an actual critic, but, yeah.
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
(he runs the triangle blog and does that pod with greenwald bc the two of them are irl friends iirc)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
Ahh that explains some of it. Also explains why Ryan admitted to not having seen any of the oscar movies during one of their year-end podcasts.
― klonman, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link
from a goodbye e-mail to his staff:
Wanted to tell you that it looks like I am done being involved with Grantland. Can’t say much here for obvious reasons, at least for now—I know you understand. In the short-term—don’t let this bullshit affect you. Just keep doing what you’re doing. It’s a job. We tried to make it feel like it was more than a job these last four years, but right now, it’s still a job and Grantland is still being consumed and judged by the general public (with unusually high standards, too). So keep the quality of your work as high as it’s always been. Work situations are rarely going to be perfect and you can’t allow it to affect what you’re doing. The best way to “respond” right now is to keep putting out a great site. If you didn’t know, April was our best month—we passed 10 million uniques without chasing traffic and without any leading-the-site promotion whatsoever from ESPN.com (just one Mets piece for like 90 minutes, that’s it). We built an audience because of quality and quality only. You guys should feel good about that.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:09 (eight years ago) link
It’s a job. We tried to make it feel like it was more than a job these last four years, but right now, it’s still a job
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:35 (eight years ago) link
fuck jobs
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link
it would be sweet if a bunch of the staff left with him but i'm not sure if that'll happen
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2015 01:58 (eight years ago) link
seems like after putting all the time and effort into building that thing most ppl wldnt want to immediately repeat the process somewhere else but who knows
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:00 (eight years ago) link
the ESPN affiliation is a big deal and some of the smaller names i'm not sure can take the risk of leaving that behind
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:01 (eight years ago) link
seems like if he tries another grantland, maybe an independent venture, might want to make it more podcast heavy less writing
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:12 (eight years ago) link
obv just hiring a million ppl cause u like them is not really the look
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:16 (eight years ago) link
i know u (kev) luuuuv him, but why on earth would they? espn has a certain interest in making grantland succeed without him, they are decent writers getting paid to work for the wwl, and i doubt that bs himself is much of an editor. unless espn brings in alec baldwin, they would seem to be in a pretty good spot right now
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:29 (eight years ago) link
espn prob dismantles/wildly rethinks grantland pretty fast one wld think, it doesnt seem to have much point other than making simmons happy
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:31 (eight years ago) link
without any leading-the-site promotion whatsoever from ESPN.com (just one Mets piece for like 90 minutes, that’s it)
/declines the to say what % of traffic came from other espn properties, just like there was only one piece that was leading the home page/
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:33 (eight years ago) link
just about everyone on that site is pretty replaceable except for zach lowe, tho
it's possible they liked simmons as a boss and are not going to like the new direction (probably SEO) the site goes in. i agree that for the majority of the staff the ESPN brand is probably more important to their careers and starting something new with BS is probably a big risk
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:33 (eight years ago) link
xxp
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:34 (eight years ago) link
we passed 10 million uniques without chasing traffic
/publishes game of thrones precaps and recaps because they are good and the world needs them/
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:35 (eight years ago) link
(probably SEO)
― k3vin k., Friday, May 15, 2015 10:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
eh hem we are living in the social era
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:36 (eight years ago) link
how many mad men pieces are on the grantland front page right now, the friday before the airing of the finale? this is probably a fun guessing game u can play at parties w/ friends this weekend.
― Clay, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:52 (eight years ago) link
w/o checking i would guess 4
p much guaranteed anyone focused on quality, doing great work, etc is on some extremely middlebrow shit
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:54 (eight years ago) link
wow the answer is only 1, and that's just as part of some culture podcast thing. but i guess grantland isn't quite vulture or hitfix or whatever.
― Clay, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:56 (eight years ago) link
lol yeah i was just about to post that it isn't the a.v. club
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:56 (eight years ago) link
hey its only friday theres still time!
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:57 (eight years ago) link
they don't post stuff on the weekend!
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:58 (eight years ago) link
lol vulture's front page has 12 hits for "mad men" including
TVHow the Media Forced Mad Men Down the World’s Throat All the Horrible Ways People Think Mad Men Is Going to End 7 Motifs to Watch for in the Mad Men Finale
― Clay, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:59 (eight years ago) link
idk man! they cld!
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:59 (eight years ago) link
that's when middlebrow ppl go out and have brunch of whatever
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:59 (eight years ago) link
someone summarize where mad men is at for me i havent seen it in ~3 seasons
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:00 (eight years ago) link
also tell me how it will end
brunch is good i support brunch brunch is the good kind of middle brow
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:01 (eight years ago) link
tbf we don't read the same things there at all
ben lindbergh and, perhaps to a lesser extent, jonah keri are not easily replaceable for baseball
katie bakes and mcindoe are basically the only decent hockey stuff espn does
charlie pierce (and you can't tell me he was all 'i will only be edited by bill simmons')
the av club stuff, tho, sure
xp to av club!
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:02 (eight years ago) link
summary: don is slowly receding as the rest of society moves forward
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:02 (eight years ago) link
that is a pretty adept summary
― Clay, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:02 (eight years ago) link
wow dons life is dark is he still extremely handsome at least
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:03 (eight years ago) link
he is v handsome yes but roger has a mustache
― Clay, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:05 (eight years ago) link
oh what the hell roger
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:06 (eight years ago) link
i like keri a lot
pierce, i enjoy his political stuff for esquire but i don't think writing about sports is really his thing
i cannot comment on hockey
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:07 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i can't really comment on nba, though i don't doubt lowe is great
i guess mainly what i dislike(d) about simmons was that he wasn't a sports guy, he was an nba guy plus some nfl and maybe other stuff if boston was involved. i distinctly remember a column he wrote during the last nba lockout about taking his kid (who loved it) to a kings hockey game and the whole piece was holy shit this is fun but larry/michael/magic/fredo etc.
much like when wilbon, while at the wapo, would write his annual hockey column comparing ovechkin to jordan. (tbf, wilbon can't do anything without referencing jordan)
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:22 (eight years ago) link
interim editor-in-chief:
http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/2009/10/Connelly_Chris_bio.jpg
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
LOL
-----A POST ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE L.A. AREA------We need 2-3 more quality players for my daughter's under-11 club soccer team. In February, we made the Final 4 of the State Cup (Flight 2) thanks to our phenomenal coach (Jacob Tudela). I was more excited about this than the Pats winning the Super Bowl. Fine, it was a tie. But if you live in the L.A. area and have a 10 year-old female soccer fiend living in your house - or, if you want to rent someone else's 10 year-old female soccer fiend (just kidding) -- email our manager at la✧✧✧.g✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ to swing by for a tryout. And feel free to pass this post along to someone else with a 10 year-old daughter in L.A. who loves soccer.PS: I'm only doing this for one reason - because my daughter made me. Nobody is scarier than a moody 10 year old-girl. Not even serial killers. Anyway, here's the e-mail that our manager sent out earlier this week.*I’m reaching out to let you know about the club soccer team that my 10-year-old daughter plays on, which is currently holding tryouts. (Yes, we’re at that point in our lives.) I have just taken over as manager, so I guess technically I’m supposed to be sending out this email, but here’s the thing: I would do it anyway, because of the fantastic experience my daughter has had playing for this club over the last two years.The team is part of the LA United Futbol Academy, or LAUFA, though many of the girls played together as Downtown SC until this past January, when, as an Under-10 team, they came in third at the Southern California State Cup for Tier 2. Third place, out of 100 teams, for what was a small, independent club. It was a great run that was a credit to the girls and to the work of our coach, Jacob Tudela — the son of a legendary club coach, brother of an ex-LA Galaxy player, and a talented player and passionate teacher of the game (in English and Spanish) in his own right. When I was in college (an increasingly dim memory) I played for Bob Bradley, who would go on to coach the US national team; he helped nurture a love for the game of soccer and a deep respect for how it should be played, so I had a high standard for whoever I would trust to train my daughter. Jacob has exceeded that standard — he’s great with the girls, and they love playing for him. Seriously. Come see for yourself.As the team has moved up to the U11 age bracket, the games have moved up to 11 v. 11 on full-sized fields, and though we brought on some new players in the spring, we’ve had a couple of families move away, so we still have roster spots available. We practice from 6-8pm, two days a week: on grass on Mondays and on turf on Wednesdays in the middle of L.A. If you’re looking for a club for your under-11-year-old daughter, you’re welcome to get in touch with me through la✧✧✧.g✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ and I’d be happy to invite you and your child to a practice. She can have a training session with Jacob and meet our girls, who may remind you of your girl — super-competitive on the field and super-goofy off it. They go to a lot of different schools and have formed friendships through the team that have become as important as the soccer. And we have a pretty okay bunch of parents, too, which helps when you’re all stuck together in a Radisson outside of San Diego for a tournament weekend.Ours is the first girls’ team LAUFA has had, so we’re still a bit under the radar. And we don’t mind that — the girls have enjoyed going to tournaments and surprising the bigger, better-known clubs. But as we prepare for the fall season the team needs to grow a bit, so I’m getting on a small, virtual soapbox to let people know that the best girls’ soccer club in LA may be one they’ve never heard of.I’d be happy to answer any questions anyone might have about LA United (including scholarships and financial aid, which are available) or to arrange a practice session for your daughter.Cheers,Kirk Rudell
We need 2-3 more quality players for my daughter's under-11 club soccer team. In February, we made the Final 4 of the State Cup (Flight 2) thanks to our phenomenal coach (Jacob Tudela). I was more excited about this than the Pats winning the Super Bowl. Fine, it was a tie. But if you live in the L.A. area and have a 10 year-old female soccer fiend living in your house - or, if you want to rent someone else's 10 year-old female soccer fiend (just kidding) -- email our manager at la✧✧✧.g✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ to swing by for a tryout. And feel free to pass this post along to someone else with a 10 year-old daughter in L.A. who loves soccer.
PS: I'm only doing this for one reason - because my daughter made me. Nobody is scarier than a moody 10 year old-girl. Not even serial killers. Anyway, here's the e-mail that our manager sent out earlier this week.
*
I’m reaching out to let you know about the club soccer team that my 10-year-old daughter plays on, which is currently holding tryouts. (Yes, we’re at that point in our lives.) I have just taken over as manager, so I guess technically I’m supposed to be sending out this email, but here’s the thing: I would do it anyway, because of the fantastic experience my daughter has had playing for this club over the last two years.
The team is part of the LA United Futbol Academy, or LAUFA, though many of the girls played together as Downtown SC until this past January, when, as an Under-10 team, they came in third at the Southern California State Cup for Tier 2. Third place, out of 100 teams, for what was a small, independent club. It was a great run that was a credit to the girls and to the work of our coach, Jacob Tudela — the son of a legendary club coach, brother of an ex-LA Galaxy player, and a talented player and passionate teacher of the game (in English and Spanish) in his own right. When I was in college (an increasingly dim memory) I played for Bob Bradley, who would go on to coach the US national team; he helped nurture a love for the game of soccer and a deep respect for how it should be played, so I had a high standard for whoever I would trust to train my daughter. Jacob has exceeded that standard — he’s great with the girls, and they love playing for him. Seriously. Come see for yourself.
As the team has moved up to the U11 age bracket, the games have moved up to 11 v. 11 on full-sized fields, and though we brought on some new players in the spring, we’ve had a couple of families move away, so we still have roster spots available. We practice from 6-8pm, two days a week: on grass on Mondays and on turf on Wednesdays in the middle of L.A. If you’re looking for a club for your under-11-year-old daughter, you’re welcome to get in touch with me through la✧✧✧.g✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ and I’d be happy to invite you and your child to a practice. She can have a training session with Jacob and meet our girls, who may remind you of your girl — super-competitive on the field and super-goofy off it. They go to a lot of different schools and have formed friendships through the team that have become as important as the soccer. And we have a pretty okay bunch of parents, too, which helps when you’re all stuck together in a Radisson outside of San Diego for a tournament weekend.
Ours is the first girls’ team LAUFA has had, so we’re still a bit under the radar. And we don’t mind that — the girls have enjoyed going to tournaments and surprising the bigger, better-known clubs. But as we prepare for the fall season the team needs to grow a bit, so I’m getting on a small, virtual soapbox to let people know that the best girls’ soccer club in LA may be one they’ve never heard of.
I’d be happy to answer any questions anyone might have about LA United (including scholarships and financial aid, which are available) or to arrange a practice session for your daughter.
Cheers,Kirk Rudell
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 8 June 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
jeez wow
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:13 (eight years ago) link
i don't get it
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:25 (eight years ago) link
how is simmdog involved
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:30 (eight years ago) link
did he write the first half of that or what
ya obvs
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:31 (eight years ago) link
he spamming his contacts looking for quality ten y/o soccer players for his daughters traveling team
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:32 (eight years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/DataTNG.jpg
― balls, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:33 (eight years ago) link
oh it was from his facebook, just googled - am surprised deadspin doesn't have a post on this i just looked, don't they have a quota for this stuff? magary and marchman slacking on the schadenfreude tip
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:37 (eight years ago) link
not sure if a facebook post, being a place where one does tend to put stuff like that, really qualifies as spamming one's contacts in the traditionally irritating way but hey what do i know
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:38 (eight years ago) link
the point i think more is that hes an all in soccer dad
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:41 (eight years ago) link
In February, we made the Final 4 of the State Cup (Flight 2) thanks to our phenomenal coach (Jacob Tudela).
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:42 (eight years ago) link
10 year olds
remember when bill simmons had a mustache for a minute
that was good times my pals
― Clay, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:48 (eight years ago) link
Nobody is scarier than a moody 10 year old-girl.
(whines) "Daaaaaaad! Why Don't you doooooo something?"
― Aimless, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:49 (eight years ago) link
i guess you can say lol soccer dad but i'm not really sure what's wrong w/this? i'm sure i could get into a similar discussion with half the guys i work with.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 04:01 (eight years ago) link
Oh for fuck's sake, will somebody hire him already? The fucking NBA Finals are going on and these Zach Lowe articles and podcasts are not cutting it.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 08:29 (eight years ago) link
hey now the lowe posts have been great - the shane battier one, of all things, was particularly entertaining
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 11:02 (eight years ago) link
i've been subsisting on Le batard's show
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 9 June 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link
whitlock out lol
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link
before the site even launched nice
― head clowning instructor (art), Friday, 12 June 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
feel like the lesson when starting one of these celebrity journalist sites like matt taibbi with racket is just start publishing right away even if its just a blog idk how u f around w the org shit for year w/o actually writing anything
― lag∞n, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
so happy to see whitlock fail tbh
― k3vin k., Friday, 12 June 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link
was it that deadspin article that flamed him?
― Spottie, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link
― k3vin k., Friday, June 12, 2015 4:56 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seconded
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 12 June 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link
he is bad its true
― lag∞n, Friday, 12 June 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
i think the deadspin may have compounded it some but more just brought to light some of the reasons why it was a fiasco
― balls, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:46 (eight years ago) link
seems ~awkward~ that he's staying on as a writer
he's more of a loose cannon than simmons ever was, more clearly a nightmare to work with, and would seem to offer less . . . upside
― mookieproof, Saturday, 13 June 2015 00:13 (eight years ago) link
yeah wldnt be surprised to see him bought out of his contract in the near future
― lag∞n, Saturday, 13 June 2015 01:27 (eight years ago) link
The fact that people at ESPN thought Whitlock running this thing was a good idea in the first place suggests to me that even if it does get off the ground, it will be a hateful pile of shit.
― tsrobodo, Saturday, 13 June 2015 03:50 (eight years ago) link
i never visit espn home page does it always have deez branded boxes
http://i.imgur.com/upFUhOq.jpg
― lag∞n, Saturday, 13 June 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link
y
altho it used to have a lil 'bill simmons presents' next to grantland rip
― mookieproof, Saturday, 13 June 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CImw_NAWcAAwbuJ.png
srsly are there still ppl out there who like this basic ass face pop culture referencing bull crap
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link
ya i think this is p popular actually
― not a garbageman, i am garbage, man (m bison), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link
modern cracker barrel humor
― Aimless, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:22 (eight years ago) link
like im p sure this is my lil brother's entire sense of humor
― not a garbageman, i am garbage, man (m bison), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:23 (eight years ago) link
isis is prob right that our culture is bad and shd be beheaded
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:23 (eight years ago) link
isis doesn't behead anymore, had to step up their game to get them clicks
― balls, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:28 (eight years ago) link
winning social media strat requires constant evolution
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:31 (eight years ago) link
I have been saying this for months, glad a consensus is finally forming
― Clay, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:31 (eight years ago) link
we get the culture we deserve if you will
― slothroprhymes, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:32 (eight years ago) link
i deserve better
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:32 (eight years ago) link
isis are pretty bad dudes, watch out imo
― balls, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:35 (eight years ago) link
teach the controversy
― Clay, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:36 (eight years ago) link
like i used to be a pretty big michael vick fan and i'm just saying you're setting yourself up for heartbreak
― balls, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
like what you're thinking is potential is probably where they top out
cf tim hardaway jr
― balls, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link
is isis just another meme that will let me down? maybe, only one way to find out
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link
ooh, isis. otoh, star warps. I'm not seeing a great divide.
― Clay, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:39 (eight years ago) link
if Seth McFarlane was the grand wizard of Isis, okay, I can see how they're definitely evil
― Clay, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link
Losers
lag∞n and Waldorf
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060116235551/muppet/images/c/c8/Statlerandwaldorf.JPG
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link
4 lyfe
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2015 19:09 (eight years ago) link
chris paul lol
http://s3.amazonaws.com/img.goldderby.com/images/1349283109_The-Lord-Of-The-Rings_b.jpg
get it
― balls, Sunday, 28 June 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
heh i have seen that movie so i understand the reference i am desperately lost and alone in the world
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
splash brothers
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/OyCjp2S5wN4/hqdefault.jpg
― balls, Sunday, 28 June 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link
Steph is Legolas?
― Falconetti Pot (Leee), Monday, 29 June 2015 04:56 (eight years ago) link
Did Steph ever take down an elephant thing hardcore?
― Aimless, Monday, 29 June 2015 04:58 (eight years ago) link
lebron "elephant thing" james
― Me And My Plumlee (Clay), Monday, 29 June 2015 05:14 (eight years ago) link
instead of killing grantland they should evolve it into an algorithm tumblr that grabs headlines from ESPN and accompanies them with random pop culture images. blackhawks win the stanley cup + picture of yogi and the gang!
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 29 June 2015 13:01 (eight years ago) link
simmons to HBO
― balls, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
someone itt def called that
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
if only jordan could've sourced that blind item
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
lol solid zing
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
hosting a weekly show. wonder if there will be any outlet for writing or pods.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
deadspin post sez he'll do video podcasts
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
i'm guessing zach lowe will be contractually barred from appearing, which would be sad
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
simmons getting an irrelevant weekly hbo show and never writing again is the perfect slow death, rip
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
yeah i have an early an unfounded fear that the show will go heavy on celeb-level guests when i really want to hear simmons and stein talk about the nba in february for 75 minutes
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
he should do posts on medium or something in connection to the episode topics, maybe, even longer and with more references, drink the haters' tears
this does give him the ability to actually say whatever the hell he wants, because what does ESPN, for example, have to threaten HBO with? "u can't do hard knocks anymore?"
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
er, the NFL, not ESPN
heres to hoping he holds a viscous unquenchable grudge against espn
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
yeah it would be a shame if he didn't hold an espn grudge
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
im sure he will but just i require it to be extremely public and unrelenting, otherwise he is no use to me
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
hbo to make move of espn oral history starring frank caliendo, hybrid of beloved hbo classics the late shift and rich little's a christmas carol
― balls, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/JsTFDCI.jpg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link
this is absolutely crucial
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 18:10 (eight years ago) link
hmmm might make it worth keeping my hbonow membership
― Spottie, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, July 22, 2015 12:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Otm it's so funny that he's basically terrible on TV and that's basically gonna be all he does now
As cad noted all I really want from him is minutia pods in dogs days of the NBA and NFL seasons and maybe another hoops book or two sometime and he's probably gonna basically do the grantland basketball hour with more celeb handjobbery
― juice college (agent hibachi), Thursday, 23 July 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link
Do hope he has a lifetime public beef w the worldwide leader though, that would be solid entertainment
― juice college (agent hibachi), Thursday, 23 July 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
― juice college (agent hibachi), Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:04 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i guess as part of his contract it says he can still publish a column elsewhere and everyone is assuming he will do so but idk he seems pretty sick of writing
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 July 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
Can't wait for his preview of the NFL season wherein he gives each team a summarizing quote from Carnivale or whatever
Maybe he'll rank all the Dream On babez
― polyphonic, Thursday, 23 July 2015 18:11 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 July 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link
Why do we think Simmons is only getting a show? I bet he takes over HBO Sports.
A less likely prediction: HBO bids on NFL or NBA rights.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 7 August 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link
like as an executive? idk that he wants to do that or like why he'd want to do that
― johnny crunch, Friday, 7 August 2015 02:12 (eight years ago) link
there is an easy overlap w/ their monday night documentaries and him reinventing some 30 for 30 style doc series probably
― johnny crunch, Friday, 7 August 2015 02:15 (eight years ago) link
the leagues all have their own channels now; if they were to go that route there's no need to involve hbo
― mookieproof, Friday, 7 August 2015 02:20 (eight years ago) link
hbo should be fighting to get saturday night football imo but only for a five year contract
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Friday, 7 August 2015 04:14 (eight years ago) link
barnwell doing the grantland weekly nfl picks column - suddenly simmons' departure feels very real, as i realize i am accidentally reading the grantland weekly nfl picks column
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 11 September 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
he did it during the suspension last year also. simmons pod back october 1st.
― balls, Friday, 11 September 2015 19:50 (eight years ago) link
i like the column today though it's not really a picks column. more like another season preview with picks wedged in somewhere. i would like to know why barnwell thinks the redskins are gonna cover +3.5 against the dolphins!!
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 September 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link
Jake Silverstein @jakesilversteinAbsolutely thrilled to announce that the great @Wesley_Morris is joining @nytimes as a critic-at-large and @NYTmag staff writer.
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 September 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
grats, well deserved and so forth
podcasts are coming back starting 10/1!
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Friday, 25 September 2015 00:20 (eight years ago) link
i've been listening to a lot of pods at the gym so i'm amped for this
― call all destroyer, Friday, 25 September 2015 00:22 (eight years ago) link
maybe this should go on grantland thread but jalen and jacoby are getting a daily espn radio show
― balls, Friday, 25 September 2015 00:26 (eight years ago) link
i can't say i've ever listened, any good?
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Friday, 25 September 2015 00:27 (eight years ago) link
it's an enjoyable enough podcast. i don't know how it'll work on radio, there's a half assed aspect to the pod that i can't imagine they'll replicate on radio.
― balls, Friday, 25 September 2015 00:41 (eight years ago) link
Jalen and Jacoby are pretty good especially when they dig into jalens stories or have fun news to break down. The off the dome aspect is actually kind of fun usually but they can get a little aimless occasionally and I'm a little tired of jalens catchphrases but maybe a daily structure will inject some extra life. Would definitely listen to them on radio over most other boring ass sports host doods
Also the story of Jalen jacking Patrick Ewing's TV is all-time
― juice college (agent hibachi), Friday, 25 September 2015 13:39 (eight years ago) link
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 14h14 hours agoRandom things I'm excited about starting next month, vol. 24: finally being able to go on Mike Francesa's show. This will be yuuuuuuge.
yess
― johnny crunch, Friday, 25 September 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link
― k3vin k., Friday, June 12, 2015 4:56 PM (15 minutes ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/05/sports/jason-whitlock-and-espn-part-ways.html
*dances*
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link
Not so much happy to see him fail as constantly frustrated that he's the kind of person that gets put in a position to do so.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
grantland exodus
― mookieproof, Monday, 12 October 2015 18:16 (eight years ago) link
movment of da ppl
― lag∞n, Monday, 12 October 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link
steve hyden checking his voicemail every five minutes. "no new messages".
― balls, Monday, 12 October 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
i only care about zach lowe
― Spottie, Monday, 12 October 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link
lowe will be fine, i hope he goes w/ simmons cuz i like his podcast, like him providing contrast w/ simmons, and most importantly like him not hidden behind insider (i have insider, it's just the principle of the thing). i see lowe's grantland stuff pop up w/ the normal espn stuff in the feed or whatever in the nba section which i don't think i do w/ the other sports writing at grantland. barnwell would leave as soon as simmons called, i'd hope mays would go w/ him cuz i enjoy that podcast and mays goes a long way in making barnwell tolerable on the pod. apparently whatever site he's setting up will still cover pop culture which idk, morris was the only dude there i really thought was very good (as opposed to adequate, like what you'd find at vulture or something) and he's gone to the times. simmons seems like a great boss but if i was a sports writer i could see debating whether you'd want to potentially burn a bridge w/ espn, which probably is the pinnacle for yr profession. whereas w/ lambert or pappademas or whoever on the pop cult side there's no incentive to stay, espn will probably slowly shut grantland down over the course of the next year or year and a half so either you take a job elsewhere now or later.
― balls, Monday, 12 October 2015 22:29 (eight years ago) link
yeah as long as lowe keeps doing his podcasts i'm happy, though i do love his pods with simmons
― k3vin k., Monday, 12 October 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link
his podcast w/ windhorst was good
― J0rdan S., Monday, 12 October 2015 22:38 (eight years ago) link
if anything happens to grantland all the sports people will just be folded into main espn, it's the pop culture people who might get boxed out
― J0rdan S., Monday, 12 October 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link
maybe it is more complicated getting the headliner sports dudes because of espn but based on the ppl i have seen so far you could believe they're doing something pop culture focus, no/fringe sports
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 12 October 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
this is mean and unfair i know but i always giggle a little at how windhorst always sounds winded on podcasts
― balls, Monday, 12 October 2015 22:44 (eight years ago) link
simmons is supposed to be on francesa's show on weds
― mookieproof, Monday, 12 October 2015 23:03 (eight years ago) link
speaking of sportswriters, highly recommend the latest Greg Howard deadspin jeremiad re: Whitlock btw
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 00:31 (eight years ago) link
― balls, Monday, October 12, 2015 6:44 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
He totally doesn't know how to back away from his phone or mic while the other person is talking so he always sounds like a horror villain lurking over someone's shoulder and breathing heavily
― juice college (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
lol @ simmons impersonation of mike coldcalling him when dog left and opening w/ "how much money do ya make?"
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
o shit
http://greghoward1.kinja.com/you-are-who-you-are-1736728519
― mookieproof, Thursday, 15 October 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link
that was pretty fucking raw
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 15 October 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
brutal, and whitlock deserves every last fucking word of it and then some more
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 15 October 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
i remember first hearing of whitlock on a killer mike song, actually. "that's life II," off pl3dge, where he's like "we not listenin to that sellout shit that jason whitlock writin'"
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 15 October 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
he was always on that sellout respectability politics angle but feels like it's taken a marked turn for the worse of late. also i know in his mind that motherfucker thinks he inherited ralph wiley's mantle/mission/whatever, he's basically said that he sees himself as having stepped into those shoes, and holy shit does that disgust me, like there probably isn't a sportswriter working that i wouldn't scoff at the claim by but man it sure as fuck isn't jason whitlock
― balls, Friday, 16 October 2015 03:04 (eight years ago) link
whitlock straight up strikes me as a trump voter
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Friday, 16 October 2015 03:12 (eight years ago) link
heh - http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-with-grantlands-nfl-podcast-1737360062
― balls, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 05:06 (eight years ago) link
sitting across the couch from Colin Cowherd, who even you would agree doesn’t amount to a ruptured left nut on his best day.
niiiiice
― frogbs, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 13:10 (eight years ago) link
http://espnmediazone.com/us/espn-statement-regarding-grantland
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:03 (eight years ago) link
well there it is
― Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
where will lowe go :[ :[ :[
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link
wow
― call all destroyer, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:10 (eight years ago) link
i can't believe they just blew it up like that
@MJ_BaumannWell that's the first time I've ever found out I was laid off via Twitter
klassy
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:11 (eight years ago) link
so weird, just a couple of weeks ago they said it was doing better than ever
― balls, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
gonna reckon they killed it out of spite due to last month's mass exodus (like 6 people left at once, iirc) and then a handful of others filed out in the following weeks. apparently those who were will there will be paid for their remaining contracts
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
idk, i think the rumors that ESPN might have real revenue problems on the horizon are true
― balls, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
heh - https://mobile.twitter.com/bensimmons25/status/659931799196409857
― balls, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:31 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/kentremendous/status/660161621893877764
― balls, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:34 (eight years ago) link
i don't think this is gonna do much to solve those revenue problems
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:35 (eight years ago) link
yeah i just think it may be symptomatic, they've been doing a lot of penny pinching in various places. i think it's part of why they've let a lot of big name talent split and then filled holes w/ ppl already on payroll.
― balls, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:39 (eight years ago) link
@BillSimmonsI loved everyone I worked with at G and loved what we built. Watching good/kind/talented people get treated so callously = simply appalling.
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link
grantland was there to humor simmons and simmons is gone
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
slothroprhymesPosted: October 30, 2015 at 12:07:19 PMwhere will lowe go :[ :[ :[
espn shd just bring him over to the main site
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link
guy who does the shot charts too
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
@ZachLowe_NBA: /turns phone off
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
i'm sure they will
senior espn source saying 'we're getting out of the pop culture business' lacks self-awareness
as do a lot of the ppl mourning grantland, tbh
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
most of the grantland pop culture podcasts folded a few weeks ago as writers fled the scene
was sad to see them go but rarely visited the site
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
"pop culture" is a meaningless description, grantland always felt like a p poorly thought through idea, just like make "good" stuff, no real identity there
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
shdve just made a site of beggin ass frat boy simmons clones imo
https://twitter.com/ATLHawks/status/660158798317899776
― polyphonic, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:31 (eight years ago) link
well, ILM was once mentioned on "Hollywood Prospectus" so they clearly knew their pop culture
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Friday, 30 October 2015 19:43 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, October 30, 2015 12:19 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so we can (not) pay insider fees to read him
― Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
That was unsurprising and yet kind of surprisingly vindictively done
― juice college (agent hibachi), Friday, 30 October 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link
dont f/w the mouse
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
found out jonathan abrams has a book coming out so that's nice - http://www.amazon.com/Boys-Among-Men-Prep---Pro/dp/0804139253/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1446237291&sr=8-1&keywords=jonathan+abrams+boys+among+men
― balls, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
can't say I gaf, but RIP
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 October 2015 20:38 (eight years ago) link
https://mobile.twitter.com/Wesley_Morris/status/660183773796048896
― balls, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link
In retrospect, the editorial exodus looks to have been more or less the end. One Grantlander says that no one knew the four editors were leaving to join Simmons until the day they left. That’s because, another source says, Simmons has been warring with ESPN both by acting as a source for writer Jim Miller, and by more nefarious means.While Grantland writers are on contract, editors are at-will. The four editors’ exits were coordinated, and Simmons, according to this source, told the editors who jumped ship with him that a condition of their employment was that they couldn’t warn anyone at ESPN they were leaving, in order to hit the site as hard as possible.“He put his beef with Skipper above the jobs of dozens of people,” one Grantland staffer said.
While Grantland writers are on contract, editors are at-will. The four editors’ exits were coordinated, and Simmons, according to this source, told the editors who jumped ship with him that a condition of their employment was that they couldn’t warn anyone at ESPN they were leaving, in order to hit the site as hard as possible.
“He put his beef with Skipper above the jobs of dozens of people,” one Grantland staffer said.
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link
lol oh please
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 October 2015 21:09 (eight years ago) link
don't really care about grantland, w/esimmons on twitter last few months is like 95% shit about gambling. do gamblers even find that interesting??
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 October 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link
also he doesn't seem like a very good gambler?
― polyphonic, Friday, 30 October 2015 21:25 (eight years ago) link
ok this from the Deadspin comments is pretty great
For when the One Sports Network comesTo write against your skillsIt marks not that you won or lostBut if you paid the bills
To write against your skills
It marks not that you won or lost
But if you paid the bills
― tsrobodo, Friday, 30 October 2015 21:40 (eight years ago) link
― balls, Friday, 30 October 2015 21:47 (eight years ago) link
so probably nothing but i know simmons hated the name grantland and wanted to name it the goat and there's this - http://thegoat.com/
― balls, Friday, 30 October 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link
Simmons hated the name Grantland? I didn't know that.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 30 October 2015 23:55 (eight years ago) link
I don't give a shit about Bill Simmons or sportswriting, but Grantland published some great stuff.
― jaymc, Saturday, 31 October 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link
oh hold up this is i love hoops, never mind, i'll get me coat /trayce
― jaymc, Saturday, 31 October 2015 00:07 (eight years ago) link
You're welcome to stay also I already stole your gum from your coat pockets
― Rich Homie Quan Poor Homie Quan (m bison), Saturday, 31 October 2015 00:20 (eight years ago) link
you're welcome to stay jaymc
http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/153485/84284006.gif
― balls, Saturday, 31 October 2015 00:38 (eight years ago) link
*deep coke snort*
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 9m9 minutes ago3-way deal: Boogie to the Knicks, Porzingis to Boston, Lopez plus Boston's unprotected Brooklyn 2016 pick to Sacramento... WHO SAYS NO?
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
why would the celtics involve the knicks in that trade
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 10 November 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
haven't a clue, not to mention if you're momentarily thinking this impossible trade is possible, why would you want porzingis over boogie
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 19:23 (eight years ago) link
that's what i'm sayin
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 10 November 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link
simmons seems extremely bullish on porzingis (and probably sees him on the bird - nowitzki axis of White Basketball Saviors he's so fond of) and historically doesn't trust guys with attitude problems.
that is my casual read at least.
― (extremely hoops voice) (Clay), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
didn't bill push pretty hard on the Kevin Love is a natural fit for the Celtics angle too?
― (extremely hoops voice) (Clay), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link
simmons LOVES boogie, always has. assume this is part of the running lol get a white guy to boston series as clay suggests
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link
yeah bill is very pro-boogie - has always said stuff like, "wouldn't you be disgruntled if you had 12 different point guards and 4+ coaches in 5 years" etc
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
need to update my simmons.xls
― (extremely hoops voice) (Clay), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
euro wites r not actual wites smh everyone knows this
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 20:42 (eight years ago) link
simmons nursed a fantasy of boogie coming to the celtics for awhile but he said on some recent pod that he'd given up it actually happening. he said it really sad also as if it had once been a real possibility but something had actually happened and now it wasn't instead of just simmons fantasized over it for so long that his tweets not somehow making it come to be made him lose faith in god.
― balls, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link
tbf me realizing they could never have boogie also made me lose faith in god
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 00:30 (eight years ago) link
i still believe
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 00:52 (eight years ago) link
http://www.gq.com/story/president-obama-bill-simmons-interview-gq-men-of-the-year
― Clay, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link
cousin sal called larry bird overrated in passing monday and simmons damn near had a heartattack, it was pretty amusing
― balls, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/freddiedeboer/status/672075912423333888
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link
enjoyed this
His new podcast has been pretty good. I also enjoyed that GQ interview.
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
@BillSimmonsI love how @espn just takes 4 large paragraphs of content from my podcast without actually linking to it. twitter.com/espn/status/67…
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
lol nice
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 22:48 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/22l1ltN.png
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
http://theringer.com/
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/17/media/bill-simmons-the-ringer/index.html
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 19:37 (eight years ago) link
whos funding the quality journalism with a strange affection for reality tv this time
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 19:39 (eight years ago) link
so does he have a show on HBO?
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link
The Ringer will be "the exclusive home to all of Simmons' written material," according to his spokesman, while HBO will be his home on TV.
doesnt seem like theres an actual show yet
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:30 (eight years ago) link
was gonna say this should be called the stinger but realized basically any rhyming word is a better name
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:31 (eight years ago) link
yeah show is this summer. the ringer is not a great name.
― balls, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 21:01 (eight years ago) link
Rachel Nichols show on espn starts tomorrow
― Spottie, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 21:31 (eight years ago) link
The Ringer is Medium's first premium site, cooooool
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link
huh i wonder if that means medium is funding it or theres another entity involved and theyre just using mediums platform
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
at least we know itll have better (web) design than grantland
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 16:46 (eight years ago) link
extremely man baby voice
http://i.imgur.com/9ZqNUXP.png
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 February 2016 07:09 (eight years ago) link
lol this guy
Bill Simmons: I’m glad you mentioned that. You know why I can’t have Brian Windhorst on? Because ESPN won’t let anyone from ESPN come on my podcast, which is fine, but it’s just laying down the ground rules for what is going to unfold over the next few years. It could have been friendly, and it’s not going to be friendly.
Joe House: It’s already unfriendly.
BS: It’s going to be more unfriendly.
JH: I’m excited to see how unfriendly it can get.
BS: Just wait until the Ringer hires a public editor for ESPN, that writes for the Ringer. That’s going to get very unfriendly.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/bill-simmons-declares-war-on-espn.html
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 March 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link
takes a scenario when ESPN are the clear dickheads and effortless makes himself the dickhead.
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 11 March 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link
i just got the bill simmons podcast network joke
― balls, Friday, 1 April 2016 14:38 (eight years ago) link
bill said a swear
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 May 2016 01:00 (seven years ago) link
that promo was so bad
― johnny crunch, Monday, 16 May 2016 01:43 (seven years ago) link
it was beyond terrible
― bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Monday, 16 May 2016 02:35 (seven years ago) link
he should be be embarrassed
― Spottie, Monday, 16 May 2016 02:54 (seven years ago) link
it's really insanely incredibly absurdly bad
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2016 17:00 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1dGNbtHdV8
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link
he looks old
― Spottie, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link
whatll he say next?? one things for sure ill be there... with popcorn
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link
cant get enough of this weird insecure smug mans crazy takes! hes against the dh??? my lord is that even legal
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:13 (seven years ago) link
he's one of those guys where it's awkward when they swear, always seems so forced and cool guy'ish
― Spottie, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link
def better to avoid cursing in a written monologue
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
i still can't get over the fact that they snuck "i believe soup is the perfect food" in there
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2016 17:21 (seven years ago) link
a bold declaration of total banality
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
didnt even have to look to know that drew magary wrote the deadspin post on this
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Monday, 16 May 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, May 16, 2016 10:21 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha didn't even notice this the first couple times. so dumb
― Spottie, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link
this promo prompts me to imagine simmons saying "I like soup" in the voice of ralph wiggum
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 16 May 2016 17:48 (seven years ago) link
like, i get it when there's really nothing left for him to do other than have a tv show but he's so bad on camera
― call all destroyer, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
he cld still be an extremely popular writer but he doesnt want to i guess
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
which i mean sure who wldnt rather be on tv but like if thats not really what youre good at
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link
but on the other hand hbo seems to have no problem carrying cheap studio sports shows that no one watches for years so its prob perfect for him
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:56 (seven years ago) link
yeah of course he's just overambitious and is reaching further with this venture, like his new site will cover topics he's totally out of his depth on like tech and politics and he needs to conquer a new medium so he has to get a show, idk maybe it will all be popular enough but this promo didn't even have the production values of the grantland nba previews with jalen.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link
his destiny is prob as a podcaster
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:58 (seven years ago) link
definitely his best medium
― call all destroyer, Monday, 16 May 2016 17:59 (seven years ago) link
like grantland was unprofitable and eventually his new backers will get sick of him/of losing money, no ones gonna watch his nbo show, he doesnt want to write, but his podcasts are wildly popular, theres money in pods/theyre extremely cheap to produce
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 May 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link
I believe soup is the new internet
― Clay, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link
i think he'll have to write to keep the ringer's traffic afloat in the short term but maybe he will be stretched too thin
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2016 23:18 (seven years ago) link
reminds me of this gem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqK-hG8Qhh4
― verhexen, Monday, 16 May 2016 23:47 (seven years ago) link
kind of liked the promo *shrugs*
fwiw, haven't listened to the podcast in weeks.
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:26 (seven years ago) link
why does everybody keep assuming the ringer needs to generate profit? honestly, that should be the least of their concerns for the foreseeable future. the entire point of vc is to grow your market (or audience).
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:27 (seven years ago) link
they're still hiring like drunken sailors so i tend to agree.
i've been off the pod mostly due to the non-sports guests but the one he did with travon free was great, that guy is pretty engaging.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:43 (seven years ago) link
bill simmons has exactly nothing to do with vc
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:44 (seven years ago) link
the ringer is raising vc
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:49 (seven years ago) link
point is a high end vanity project has no chance to be profitable ever in todays media environment
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:51 (seven years ago) link
tho who knows maybe theyll be more willing to engage in content farming than grantland was
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:52 (seven years ago) link
simmons seemed extremely opposed to that sort of thing, he thought if he cld just hire as many writers he liked that of course ppl wld want to read it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:54 (seven years ago) link
even if it doesn't ultimately make a difference i'm p. certain this will be under better stewardship than grantland was with espn
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:54 (seven years ago) link
they can say fuck now that prob gets the vc pouring in
― Clay, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:56 (seven years ago) link
espn is a hugely successful company whos calling the shots w this startup thingy idk xp
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:58 (seven years ago) link
idk either but i do know disney/espn is about as traditional a media company as there is, not sure how grantland ever was supposed to fit into their thing. it has a better chance on its own.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 02:02 (seven years ago) link
the ringer isn't owned by hbo? figured it was
― Clay, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 02:03 (seven years ago) link
separate venture iirc
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 02:04 (seven years ago) link
simmons maintaining a good relationship w his espn benefactors was his best shot
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 02:06 (seven years ago) link
they let him on tv they gave him his own site its kinda funny
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 02:16 (seven years ago) link
espn was a hugely successful company
― balls, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 05:33 (seven years ago) link
hbo promos are kinda always awful but i'm still a bit skeptical of whether the show will work, if he was willing to do an hour long free flowing conversation i could see it being enjoyable but what he's mentioned it seems like that is not going to be the case. hbo probably doesn't care much either way, they just want content as they prep toward moving more and more to being a streaming service. would have to imagine there's some hbo stake in the ringer but there's apparently definitely heavy vc cash and that whole pod he did w/ louis ck where they were talking about how at this moment creating and owning content is basically minting cash makes me wonder what the structure is. if/when the ringer does happen he'll write something if only to drive traffic but it's been very apparent his heart hasn't really been in writing for a while, i can remember him mentioning tony kornheiser telling him there would come a point when the writing would go and little things he's said (there were a couple of comments during the david chang pod specifically) that pretty much confirmed his writing is purely to help the ringer or just get out an opinion he needs out there.
― balls, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 05:47 (seven years ago) link
that whole pod he did w/ louis ck where they were talking about how at this moment creating and owning content is basically minting cash
lol wut
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 05:49 (seven years ago) link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3536776/Louis-C-K-claims-s-millions-debt-using-money-produce-web-series-Horace-Pete-s.html
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 05:50 (seven years ago) link
lol daily mail. goon really? www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/louis-ck-clarifies-he-is-886305
fun fact: almost no tv show makes a profit first run. the only one currently airing that does iirc is the walking dead.
― balls, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 05:59 (seven years ago) link
eh when he sells Horace and Pete to Netflix or Hulu or whatever he'll be in the black
― Clay, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 06:01 (seven years ago) link
yeah once his gloomy realist drama about a dying bar hits netflix the cash will start rolling in for sure
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 06:02 (seven years ago) link
i used the daily mail cause their url is the best, most shows never make a profit which is a group his web series is destined to join, which is why ppl tend not to self finance
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 06:03 (seven years ago) link
he's already made a profit selling it to weirdos in his site
― balls, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 06:04 (seven years ago) link
no way has he earned a profit yet
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 06:07 (seven years ago) link
louie self produced a stand up special that did really well then was all i have this notoriously difficult business figured out then went online and talked w bill simmons abt how content is king during the million consecutive tsunami hitting the industry simmons creates content for, moral of the story its good to be a star
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 06:07 (seven years ago) link
in rainbows redux
― balls, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 06:09 (seven years ago) link
tfw soup is the perfect food https://twitter.com/hbo/status/733032327966777344
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
the sport of conversation
― balls, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:28 (seven years ago) link
that's dumb as fuck
― balls, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CixBBGUWYAAcPyJ.jpg
i have never seen this expression on a person in my life
― Clay, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:39 (seven years ago) link
simmos' brand is v blazer + untucked shirt tho, way to nail it
― Clay, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:40 (seven years ago) link
horrible 'shop job on his face man alive
― Spottie, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:53 (seven years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0d/4e/9e/0d4e9ec4ca11fe2fc997313a0eed4623.jpg
― balls, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link
― Spottie, Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:53 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark
seriously what is going on
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:27 (seven years ago) link
ya thats an insane texas chainsaw face
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:36 (seven years ago) link
i would never attribute such shoddy work to noted ilx poster man alive
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:50 (seven years ago) link
can't see the white and-1s tho
― mookieproof, Thursday, 19 May 2016 00:30 (seven years ago) link
there is content on the ringer dot com
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 14:57 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/tJuZQ93.png
The real Joe Buck — the one who drops f-bombs with abandon, is married to a former Broncos cheerleader, hangs with Jon Hamm, and just might be America’s most underappreciated sports broadcaster.
― nomar, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 15:01 (seven years ago) link
o shit fbombs tiiite bro tite
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 15:09 (seven years ago) link
man i've heard a lot of smart media ppl praise joe buck, enough so that when al michaels or whoever (maybe not al michaels, probably not al michaels) calls joe buck the best broadcaster right now i don't even blink. at the same time man fuck joe buck.
― balls, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
joe buck is unbearable
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
yeah there's a lot of reasons i stopped following baseball (slowly getting back into it, like if i saw jake arrieta in a restaurant i would recognize him now) but buck/mccarver combo (w/ the occasional dose of joe morgan) definitely played a role. also don't think finding out he's married to a former nfl cheerleader is gonna make me like him more, you might as well tell me how much he gets paid while you're at it.
― balls, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
I kinda like him. He's nowhere near as bad as he was 7-8 years ago.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link
xp mccarver is gone, thankfully, although his replacements aint exactly fun city (aside from tom verducci occasionally saying smart things and reminding the dips he's surrounded by that analytics exist)
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 1 June 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
of all the articles to launch with, jfc
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
Joe bucks attempts to sound excited during football games after years of criticism are legitimately hilarious
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 1 June 2016 16:07 (seven years ago) link
PASS IS....
...CAUGHT!
Otherwise he's just wallpaper and the best argument for cloning, so we could replace him on all networks with al michaels-es
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 1 June 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link
lol theyve also got an article abt obamas legacy by... an obama speechwriter, ringer is the anti gawk
http://i.imgur.com/jtDVmmF.jpg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 16:37 (seven years ago) link
seems like really good kinja to me
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 1 June 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
bet he's super pissed that he already used the 'grantland' name and had to come up with something new
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link
he didn't like grantland iirc
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link
ann coulter is pretty
― nomar, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
yeah favreau does the ringers politics pod whice praise jesus jacko didn't get that gig
― balls, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
deadspin's thirst to make a "DO YOU SEEEEEEEE" type article about how the ringer is funded is fuckin hilarious http://deadspin.com/other-than-hbo-has-anyone-invested-in-bill-simmons-and-1779909602
they couldn't find out who was funding it, apparently, other than HBO. but unless it was a troll post idk why they were literally asking vox fucking media and buzzfeed if they provided funding, other than the denton/petechesky types who assume all their competitors are out to destroy them at all times, but like...peter thiel is not funding yr newest sports-coverage-enemy, it would appear you have other more pressing problems gawkdudes
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 2 June 2016 13:29 (seven years ago) link
i agree whoever wrote this post shd be be working on the hulkster appeal
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 13:37 (seven years ago) link
actually who's funding the ringer is an interesting question lol their salary overhead is gigantic for a new website in 2016
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 2 June 2016 13:49 (seven years ago) link
whos funding the ringer is unquestionably an interesting and important question and the list of ppl who they asked seem to be reasonable collection of ppl who tend to invests in media companies, publishing a post thats all abt how u failed to find anything out is not that interesting except possibly to demonstrate that for some reason no one wants to talk abt the fact that theyre funding the ringer, but on the other hand the post was prob mostly made for tree shaking purposes and if it works i look forward to finding out this info, seems like medium/ev williams gotta be in the mix
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 13:56 (seven years ago) link
it's not a bad question to ask prima facie but the inherent assumption, given the source of the question, is that it's gonna be a person or individual who's like 2 degrees removed from satan, when the truth is prob way more banal. like its prob HBO + ad revenue + maybe some wangbag tech/VC bros who jack up ticket prices at oracle arena but otherwise prob don't engage in the destruction of truth & justice. (as goon sez it's prob some higher-ups at medium, whose closet-skeletons i don't know of but could exist? idk)
if it ends up being like, idk, dan bilzerian or some shit (or lord thielzebub), then aight that's prob bad
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 2 June 2016 13:58 (seven years ago) link
andreessen thiel and blodget and maybe cuban seem like the only enemies of gawk on the list the rest of them seem like p reasonable suspects tho obvs the list if u wanted to be comprehensive wld be much longer
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 14:05 (seven years ago) link
he inherent assumption, given the source of the question, is that it's gonna be a person or individual who's like 2 degrees removed from satan, when the truth is prob way more banal. like its prob HBO + ad revenue + maybe some wangbag tech/VC bros who jack up ticket prices at oracle arena but otherwise prob don't engage in the destruction of truth & justice.
lol so all the people listed in the post are, as you describe, "wangbag tech/VC bros who jack up ticket prices at oracle arena" but somehow you believe the post is trying to imply that actually the ringer is funded by people who are worse than the people the writer states are the most reasonable sources of ringer funding?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 2 June 2016 14:13 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj9EKLjUgAEH8Wg.jpg
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 14:59 (seven years ago) link
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link
the Big Six of Content
― ciderpress, Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:10 (seven years ago) link
missing BOSTON
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
that is the same thing as SPORTS
― ciderpress, Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
the post is trying to imply that actually the ringer is funded by people who are worse than the people the writer states are the most reasonable sources of ringer funding?
was more referring to the specific mention of ppl who invest in direct gawker competitors, bc c'mon, those people aren't solely being mentioned because they're VCs, but whatever
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
xp duh
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:21 (seven years ago) link
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:20 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
there aren't many people who heavily invest in new media ventures and by nature those who do are investing in gawker media's competitors so i dunno what to tell you
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
i don't think it's crazy they ran that story cuz we know that bill simmons can't fart w/o deadspin doing a post on it (as this board has demonstrated lol) but i also don't think it's interesting or that they're performing a public service looking into it like omg this shadowy cabal is secretly shaping how we think about game of thrones gifs
― balls, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
like i know everyone knows this but the history of media is billionaires throwing away money so they can some kind of ancillary thrill. this is also the history of the arts. we've all seen citizen kane.
― balls, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
im not really seeing where they cast it as conspiracy
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link
you're not tricking me into reading some gawker article goon
― balls, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:19 (seven years ago) link
who me i just think u might find it... interesting
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:20 (seven years ago) link
the size of that writing staff is kinda amazing, like i thought for sure at a minimum he would scale down post grantland esp since he said that whole 'i don't like longform' thing and that this site was meant to be read on yr phone
i wonder how many of his billionaire backers know what he really thinks about public funding of stadiums
― balls, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
a lot of those guys prob love the DH too
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
esp since he said that whole 'i don't like longform' thing and that this site was meant to be read on yr phone
― balls, Thursday, June 2, 2016 1:22 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
heh
http://i.imgur.com/X9tWCvG.png
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link
um bill yeah i just wrote a thousand words on drakeok so u wrote an article about drake?no...
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, June 2, 2016 1:23 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
whoa whoa whoa why we gotta hate on dudes who do nothing but mash baseballs?
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
gotta watch the good hbo show to find out
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:33 (seven years ago) link
i don't believe for a second he actually hates the dh, the dh is totally the kind of cockamamie idea he would come up w/ plus no dh means no ortiz. i don't seem to recall him ever going on about soup before either and he's had plenty of opportunities.
― balls, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link
hah those were just the best challenging opinions he cld come up with
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
his soup thing is the oddest mic drop moment in that ad, I mean I believe my 94 yr old great grandma at the end there felt the same but she just was extremely chill about it.
― nomar, Thursday, 2 June 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
motherfuckers always talking about salads and sandwiches well GUESS WHAT JABRONIS
― balls, Thursday, 2 June 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link
i'm a big soup fan so I was like "i'm liiistening..."
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 2 June 2016 18:45 (seven years ago) link
i ordered like a whole box of those campbell's bag of lentil soup for millenials off of amazon cuz the grocery stores around here stopped carrying it and now i'm like 'when the fuck am i gonna eat all this soup?'
― balls, Thursday, 2 June 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link
any given wednesday
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 2 June 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
wait there's special lentil soup for millenials why did no one tell me about this
― ciderpress, Thursday, 2 June 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link
its v popular among our demo
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 2 June 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link
http://overstuffedprincess.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/CampbellsGo.jpeg
― slam dunk, Friday, 3 June 2016 03:44 (seven years ago) link
each now to be replaced w bill simmons face
― johnny crunch, Friday, 3 June 2016 11:11 (seven years ago) link
just skimmed it but there appears to be no indication that this branded content is branded content https://theringer.com/jennifer-garner-capital-one-commercials-are-best-show-on-tv-94480055758d#.wnnk8dt1u
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 June 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link
disclosure rather obvs theres a ton of indication
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 June 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
damn that article is long
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 6 June 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/bill-simmons-breaks-free-his-900291
― schwantz, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 22:20 (seven years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 22:22 (seven years ago) link
he never really bothered me until that promo. now everything he says and every face he makes annoys me.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 22:26 (seven years ago) link
bill simmons is good
― k3vin k., Thursday, 9 June 2016 13:39 (seven years ago) link
when he is writing
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Thursday, 9 June 2016 13:44 (seven years ago) link
ill get over it I'm sure ill check the ringer every day
― Spottie, Thursday, 9 June 2016 16:16 (seven years ago) link
― am0n, Thursday, 9 June 2016 16:53 (seven years ago) link
hmm i think bill simmons is bad actually, hes extremely fascinated with his own mind to the extent it prevents any sort of verisimilitude or insight in his writing, also his mind is not very interesting
― lag∞n, Thursday, 9 June 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
fine I like him again
https://twitter.com/_MarcusD_/status/741500908886994944
― Spottie, Saturday, 11 June 2016 05:58 (seven years ago) link
ben afleck drunk
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 June 2016 14:14 (seven years ago) link
that affleck stuff was really off putting wtf man
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 23 June 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
couple unlikable middle age dudes ranting abt boston sports what cld go wrong
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 June 2016 14:35 (seven years ago) link
why did he say fuck like 60 times
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 23 June 2016 14:40 (seven years ago) link
affleck had some pretty serious botox face going on.
this show was start to finish awkward. simmons talking into the camera just doesn't work at all. i never realize how important a skill that is (or even that it was a skill at all) before watching this show. is this a "have it or you dont" think or can it be learned?
plus simmons is just bizarre looking. he's a little better with someone to talk to but i dunno about this show.
― ryan, Thursday, 23 June 2016 14:45 (seven years ago) link
many typos, but you get the gist.
it shd be a live show, not taped I think
tho I do welcome ongoing segments that are just like say bad things abt roger goodell and the nfl
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 23 June 2016 14:48 (seven years ago) link
he keeps looking up in the monologue segment, like the prompter isn't at eye level
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 June 2016 14:59 (seven years ago) link
Ermac McCarthy @thatsnotkosherBILL SIMMONS: [close up on his face] I think the ass should be on the front of the body
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 June 2016 15:30 (seven years ago) link
this was better than i thought it would be
― moistest hoist (Spottie), Thursday, 23 June 2016 15:44 (seven years ago) link
cant u believe u all watched this bunch a real sickos
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 June 2016 15:45 (seven years ago) link
bored cos hoops are done leave me alone
― moistest hoist (Spottie), Thursday, 23 June 2016 15:46 (seven years ago) link
didn't watch the ben affleck part cos i don't care about ben affleck
― moistest hoist (Spottie), Thursday, 23 June 2016 15:56 (seven years ago) link
i watched as much of the afleck part as i cld stand (~30 seconds) online
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:03 (seven years ago) link
i guess I'll check it out if I'm interested in a guest he has on cos otherwise there's no point
― moistest hoist (Spottie), Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:04 (seven years ago) link
same xp
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:04 (seven years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:40 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and this still bugs me. so forced. HEY IM ON HBO NOW
― moistest hoist (Spottie), Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
fuckin hbo bro!
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:07 (seven years ago) link
just saw a billboard for this. lmao at "the sport of conversation". sounds like an alan partridge quote.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:08 (seven years ago) link
alltime unappealing tagline
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link
i think it might actually be an alan partridge line
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link
i didn't mind this but it seems like.... such a waste given everything you can do on HBO. it was basically no different than the stuff simmons was doing with jalen for grantland's youtube channel.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 23 June 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link
finally watched this, it was...fine?
letting affleck rant is def a trainwreck but also perversely fascinating to watch him go boston-bro on 100 thousand trillion
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 01:40 (seven years ago) link
yea felt a lil manufactured to get buzz/go viral
its more of a celeb sin to have a puffy face of that degree
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 11:25 (seven years ago) link
i caught a few minutes of this in passing the other night, felt like an hbo talk show, like costas' thing. i thought it worked better as tv than the grantland bball hour did. i've watched better things on hbo, i've watched worse things on hbo.
― balls, Friday, 1 July 2016 00:47 (seven years ago) link
wish it was barkley's show instead
― am0n, Friday, 1 July 2016 02:25 (seven years ago) link
that dude already gets so much leeway to be a dickhead as it is
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Friday, 1 July 2016 02:30 (seven years ago) link
cuban is really refreshing to hear interviewed and in convo imo
― johnny crunch, Friday, 1 July 2016 02:43 (seven years ago) link
yeah not a huge fan of either guy but the cubes/gladwell segment could have gone on for another 20 minutes and i would have been good. basically i'll check this out a day or two after it airs depending on the guests.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 1 July 2016 03:26 (seven years ago) link
i walked thru a room showing cuban and gladwell and sped up my walking. caught hader and it was fun (fucking died at the deadline story) but it was mostly 'hey tell that story you told on the podcast that one time'. fun stuff but nothing new. also ever since it was pointed out i can't get past how he looks like ellen. it's like when someone pointed out fennel tastes like licorice, it took a while before i could eat spaghetti again.
― balls, Friday, 1 July 2016 05:09 (seven years ago) link
otm ive def heard that lorne/serial killer bit but it is still hilarious and I condone pushing it to this larger audience
― johnny crunch, Friday, 1 July 2016 11:17 (seven years ago) link
This show is very bad.
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 25 July 2016 23:33 (seven years ago) link
i couldnt believe he did a whole segment on ufc
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 00:48 (seven years ago) link
Just like most things like this I'll pay attention a couple times every few months when he has someone interesting on.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 01:04 (seven years ago) link
Cancellation rumors ...
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 03:42 (seven years ago) link
― Spottie, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 03:53 (seven years ago) link
Can they cancel The Ringer while they're at it? That site has published maybe two good articles so far.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 11:10 (seven years ago) link
bill had a good thing going w espn
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 13:50 (seven years ago) link
talking head is a dumb egotist, news at 11
― micah, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 22:09 (seven years ago) link
The Ringer has had several pretty good pieces, but they've all been too short, and they get punched down off the front age because shitty boring sports takes need more space.
It's nerds versus jocks. At Grantland the nerds usually won.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 23:15 (seven years ago) link
i like justin charity
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 August 2016 14:30 (seven years ago) link
wow bill wooooowwwwhttps://youtu.be/N8AcfZt7ZOE
― Spottie, Thursday, 18 August 2016 06:02 (seven years ago) link
lol all of those ideas are so half baked and bad
― have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 August 2016 06:08 (seven years ago) link
I feel like I can feel bill getting squirmy and needing to interject when a celeb tells a longer story or anecdote (cait jenner, Jonah hill), but to his credit, he doesn't
otoh its p embarrassing his trying to relate to ricky Williams and seth rogen abt smoking weed by a story where he got hi and went to see Austin powers 3
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 18 August 2016 12:33 (seven years ago) link
Tug of war only good idea in that...
― schwantz, Thursday, 18 August 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
the bad ideas should at least be amusing...
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 August 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link
haven't seen anything since the Bosh one but apparently KD is on tomorrow.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 18:09 (seven years ago) link
Still hard to believe KD is on the Warriors with the Steph and Klay. I bet he's feeling happy, relaxed and excited.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
wonder if he has any idea abt the impending avalanche of hate
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link
Last week had worse ratings than two different airings of Caddyshack on the Golf Channel. Barely beat WEEDIQUETTE on Vice.
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 18:47 (seven years ago) link
And three female guests in ten episodes.
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 8h8 hours agoLong conversation with @KDTrey5 and @Nas on @AnyGivenWeds tonight - and we have @vincestaples talking sports, too. https://instagram.com/p/BKluTFhgr17/
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
vince staples segment was really bad. was kd part was p good. speed round at the end was p fun overall
― Spottie, Thursday, 22 September 2016 06:18 (seven years ago) link
whitlock!
https://twitter.com/TheTomasRios/status/779432658178899968
― mookieproof, Friday, 23 September 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link
how does one man produce so much perfect content
― Clay, Friday, 23 September 2016 22:40 (seven years ago) link
lol i love how twitter drives successful journalists with better things to do completely insane
― lag∞n, Saturday, 24 September 2016 05:12 (seven years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/10/28/ratings-for-bill-simmonss-hbo-show-have-hit-rock-bottom
― mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
"what’s with all the Michael Rapaport?" lmao perfect
― lag∞n, Friday, 28 October 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
it's a god damn awful show. caught a bit of it the other night because the great one was on it and because the great one is such a wooden borefest he had bill burr sitting next to him. still managed to be stilted and not particularly funny.
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 28 October 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link
I like Billy but the first episode with Ben Affleck was enough for me
― frogbs, Friday, 28 October 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link
it's a really dead show, idk why. i think it made sense in theory... like he's good at podcasts, let's put him and some guests in a room and not try and overthink it. but when i watch it i can't get over the fact that he GOT HIS OWN SHOW on fucking HBO and it's more or less completely identical in tone and look from the youtube videos he was making for grantland. idk i just feel like there was so much more opportunity there.
given the contract HBO gave him i feel like maybe they'll give this one more shot since it can't be that expensive to produce, and i think they can expand out the format a bit. i think one good option would be to produce documentary-style segments a la the 30 for 30 shorts they used to do. just something to break up the "stale simmons essay with old cultural references" + "stilted interviews with random guests" monotony.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2016 23:50 (seven years ago) link
it really comes off as if he didn't put any thought into it at all
― Clay, Saturday, 29 October 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link
i have to think there's a lot of people like me who still listen to his podcasts at the gym and maybe even click on ringer links here and there, but when it comes to the show he could have jesus christ himself as a recurring guest and there's still no way i'm watching a 30-minute talkshow about sports.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 29 October 2016 01:53 (seven years ago) link
tv requires so much more attention than pods
― lag∞n, Saturday, 29 October 2016 02:02 (seven years ago) link
What percent of people who make podcasts think "I should be on TV?"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 29 October 2016 04:24 (seven years ago) link
well bill simmons has been on TV plenty and there's an established history of sportswriters becoming successful TV hosts (on espn at least)
but yeah
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2016 04:25 (seven years ago) link
yeah sports writer --> sports radio --> tv model is a million years old now
― Clay, Saturday, 29 October 2016 04:27 (seven years ago) link
but simmons is obv a different beast than, say, tony kornheiser
simmons was bad the other time he was on tv mightve been a sign that he wld be bad on tv
― lag∞n, Saturday, 29 October 2016 06:39 (seven years ago) link
even if he were good on tv it doesn't really seem like a great concept
a weekly sports show is never going to be timely, and whatever his strengths, he's not comedian enough to make old news funny (or even john-oliver-eviscerates 'funny')
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 October 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link
rip the bad show
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:12 (seven years ago) link
;_;
― mookieproof, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link
does anyone know any bored vc guys asking for a friend
― Clay, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link
wow that was quick
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link
yeah gotta be the fastest hbo has ever canned a show
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:17 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwb_s4vUkAAF5mA.jpg
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link
i'll bet trump tv is against the DH too
― mookieproof, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link
signing a deal with fox sports like
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/fun107.com/files/2013/01/charlie_brown.png
― Clay, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link
i like simmons on bball but can't really stand him on anything else and it seems like he's not paying much attention to bball anymore
― ciderpress, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/EmWwrI4.png
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link
welp guess that finally proves my content is bad bye guys
― Clay, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
yep
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 4 November 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link
imagining a simmons career where he realized the trade value column was his best work and proceeded accordingly
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
I was wondering a couple days ago if he was gonna do stuff like trade value for the ringer bc that like actually was good and interesting NBA context but realized he was prob too busy having dinner with celebs
― Clay, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
this years trade value column to be replaced by "daryl morey explains why all his decisions are good and nice"
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
hbo still has him under contract for the remainder of his 3 yr term, i wonder what will come of this
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
nothing good
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:30 (seven years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, November 4, 2016 2:17 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well aside from that David milch series about horse murder
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:30 (seven years ago) link
westworld always needs fresh bots xp
― Clay, Friday, 4 November 2016 19:31 (seven years ago) link
This show was really godawful tho
The Lebron column he wrote recently was so lazy and bad I bailed about four paragraphs in, it was just instantly vanishing down a solipsistic rabbit hole where the only frame of reference was previous bill Simmons thoughts on the nba
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link
The other weird thing is I ended up liking a lot of grantland as basic semi entertaining lunchtime reading (aside from obviously essential z Lowe) but weirdly nothing on the ringer has ever seemed the right length to me, it's either 50k words of faux hot takes riffing on Russell Westbrook instagram post or 200 underdeveloped words on something really interesting
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link
ya theyre def doing something wrong over there even pieces on interesting topics by good writers arent quite right?
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link
i read the latest network piece on there but thats one of maybe three articles I've read since it launched
― Spottie, Friday, 4 November 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
seems like they're being weird about trying to publish shorter pieces even when it isn't warranted
― call all destroyer, Friday, 4 November 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
The Ringer is absolutely fucking awful.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:00 (seven years ago) link
ha otm
― Spottie, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:05 (seven years ago) link
its interesting bills philosophy for grantland "publish good stuff" was really noob and not nearly specific enough but then with the ringer it seems like hes trying to do something a more focused but it just doesnt make sense and is bad
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:05 (seven years ago) link
the article about nba bench celebrations. could have been fun but i couldnt even get halfway through. and i like the writer generally
― Spottie, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Friday, November 4, 2016 3:30 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
*a show not involving the actual murder of horses
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:09 (seven years ago) link
i've read very little, but i suspect i'd like the ringer better if it looked like grantland instead of medium
― mookieproof, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
pierce on the show last wk was ultimate cornball
― johnny crunch, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link
omg mediums design is sooooo much better than grantland
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:20 (seven years ago) link
pierce is an idiot sorry celts fans
― Spottie, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
dont do this
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
i don't hate it intrinsically, but i hate that it's taking over everything. it's like when we had
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/41/3f/11/413f11e01dc2979a150ebbfa90008eaf.jpg
― mookieproof, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
good mix imo
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:24 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/CollinsworthPFF/status/798272091564875776
― mookieproof, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link
that's a tasty treat the whole family can enjoy
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link
dudes, this is a just a pet theory i am working on, but i think simmons might be an idiot
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:20 (seven years ago) link
u dont say what brought you to this groundbreaking insight
collinsworth deleted the tweet, apparently
― i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 14 November 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link
yah what was the tweet
― Clay, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:30 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxQMfdIXEAAaFpD.jpg:medium
― i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 14 November 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link
lmao burn
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link
so good
― Spottie, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:41 (seven years ago) link
ahahha
― k3vin k., Monday, 14 November 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link
simmons's career is pretty much over, no?
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 14 November 2016 23:37 (seven years ago) link
Collingswrth ended him yes
― Spottie, Monday, 14 November 2016 23:53 (seven years ago) link
Hey so he might be dumb in several ways and an insufferable homer in all the other ways but Grantland is always going to be an amazing memory for me. I should make a list of all the people it introduced me to that I try to follow now
Especially the ones who aren't getting to do the amazing kind of work he let them do
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 00:04 (seven years ago) link
i don't exactly *mind*, but that tweet was a total dick move by collinsworth -- simmons' tweet was aimed at the patritos, not him
and deleting it was a chickenshit move
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 00:26 (seven years ago) link
Cmon it was a great zing
― Spottie, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 00:42 (seven years ago) link
simmons (rightly) blasted collinsworth for months about bringing up deflategate and telling a story abt asking tom brady to look him in the eye or some nonsense while the pats were having a sick 4th quarter in the super bowl. i guess cris found out.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 01:04 (seven years ago) link
sportswriter beef might be one of the more embarrassing internet beefs
― Clay, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 02:27 (seven years ago) link
weird cuz I always remember Simmons saying that Collinsworth was the "best on TV"...guess something irked him
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:00 (seven years ago) link
collinsworth is now going to appear on simmons' podcast
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link
the fix is in
― Spottie, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link
death to false beef
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-isnt-too-big-to-fail-1788556607
All of this lives on a strange-looking website with an unfortunate color scheme
vindication
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 November 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
― 龜, Thursday, 17 November 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
oopss sorry
His website, the Ringer, attracted just 420,000 unique visitors in October, according to comScore.
whaaaaat
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2016 23:46 (seven years ago) link
“It is another reminder, do not leave ESPN, man. ESPN is a monster platform that is responsible for all of our successes.”
yup
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2016 23:49 (seven years ago) link
if bill had sprung just before the espn ship capsized, say in 5 or so yrs, this all might have worked out but competing with them was maybe a fools errand
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Friday, 18 November 2016 00:41 (seven years ago) link
Simmons vs. Gladwell: The Future of Football
These two rambling about the American football death spiral almost merits its own poll of schtick moments
*Simmons ref to Batfleck (as a peer with Brock Lesnar and LeBron?)*Gladwell kicking off with "...at a RAND Conference in Santa Monica"*Gladwell then digressing into boxing history (with no mention of head injuries in the sport)*Simmons immediately making an ad hoc list of "TWELVE 'second conversations'" that have nothing to do with gambling*Gladwell defending Goodell by explaining how Goodell's dad was a principled Republican with balls*"[Source: Charles Goodell Wikipedia page]"*Simmons making a parenthetical ref to defunct prime time game shows*Gladwell pronouncing Chris Collinsworth to be the smartest football analyst in the game *Gladwell drops in FACS trivia*Simmons has a "simple fix" to keep veterans (i.e.: Tom Brady) from ruining cap space (actual simple fix: eliminate the cap?)*Both of them go insane coming up with Rube Goldberg solutions to save the NFL from itself*Gladwell admires the NCAA's overtime rules*Simmons to Gladwell: (By the way, I like when you call the 32 NFL owners a “cartel.” I’m stealing that.)*It keeps going for 8,400 words
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 December 2016 16:53 (seven years ago) link
a bit irritating how they go off on every possible tangent but it's a good conversation
― frogbs, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
though "17 week season, everyone has to take one week off" is really dumb
― frogbs, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:19 (seven years ago) link
34 minute read, huh?
― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:21 (seven years ago) link
rip footbal
― lag∞n, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
God this "which Goodfellas character is each NFL team?" podcast with Mike Lombardi is so lame. He's done this shit 1000 times already.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 9 December 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link
But it is Friday and I need something to listen to at work, so fuck it.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 9 December 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link
And then there was Billy Thousand Times, who got that nickname because he does everything 1000 times
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 9 December 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, 9 December 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
a lump of the purest simmons
― mookieproof, Friday, 9 December 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
loser leaves town loser leaves town loser leaves town
― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Saturday, 10 December 2016 07:49 (seven years ago) link
lmao @ bill asking gucci mane "you recognize this?" re pearl jam
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link
thats one of the most horrifying things ive ever read
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:05 (seven years ago) link
i want bill simmons to do an entire podcast where he just says rappers names
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:18 (seven years ago) link
*bill simmons voice* kodak black... lil uzi vert... lil yachty... 21 savage... tyga... fredo santana... etc
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:21 (seven years ago) link
incredible
― Clay, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:27 (seven years ago) link
i can hear it, hes talking fast
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 23:28 (seven years ago) link
ok hes lost his damn mind
https://theringer.com/nba-sliding-doors-demarcus-cousins-boston-celtics-good-boogie-967f2f1b26e4#.w4n9qjahyhttps://theringer.com/nba-sliding-doors-demarcus-cousins-boston-celtics-bad-boogie-8eb5898f2821#.o4jrj85wi
― lag∞n, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
seriously wtf
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
i couldnt make it halfway through either of those
― ciderpress, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
i think it's given me a moment of clarity though that boogie will never be on the celtics
― ciderpress, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:30 (seven years ago) link
i think they will get him and itll go one of two ways...
― lag∞n, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link
the ringer naming a bit after some rando movie no one remembers is a lil too on the nose
― lag∞n, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
so not reading that
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:16 (seven years ago) link
whoa that is the worst fanfic i've ever read
― nomar, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:18 (seven years ago) link
i used to think '2008 nfl re-draft' was the worst kind of sports idea but no longer
― mookieproof, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:36 (seven years ago) link
Celtics coach Brad Stevens never expected Cousins to settle on Beacon Hill, an iconic Boston neighborhood known for its brick sidewalks, winding hills, and vast array of stores and restaurants. Both Stevens and boss Danny Ainge believed that Cousins was better served living near the team’s new practice facility in Allston-Brighton. But Cousins didn’t want to play for Boston; he wanted to breathe it. One day after what’s been affectionately nicknamed The Heist (we’ll get to that), Cousins spent two hours wandering through Back Bay, through Boston Common and down Charles Street before heading up to Cambridge. When he glanced left and noticed Shriners Hospitals for Children, that’s when Cousins knew. Beacon Hill. It had to be.
― nomar, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:44 (seven years ago) link
worst boston wish fulfillment fantasy since boondock saints
that paragraph can't possibly be real
― Clay, Friday, 16 December 2016 02:02 (seven years ago) link
*snorts a line of the finest powdered wahlberg*
― Clay, Friday, 16 December 2016 02:03 (seven years ago) link
boogie strolling around beacon hill w/a baguette under his arm is the most insane image anyone has ever conjured
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 December 2016 02:12 (seven years ago) link
A longtime Raiders fan, he respectfully shunned the Patriots but won points locally by frequenting Fenway Park, one of many reasons he clicked with Bostonians right away. “They’re like me,” he offers. “They care, they really care. They actually care too much. They can be a little hot-headed about it. That’s like me. We just understand each other.”
simmons is fascinatingly bad at voice or capturing the way a human might speak
― Clay, Friday, 16 December 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link
Every Celtics home game feels especially Boogie-centric. You can’t walk 5 feet without seeing a Cousins jersey. During the introduction of the starting lineups, every Celtics starter gets cheered until the announcer belts, “And from the University of Kentu- …” as the remaining words get drowned out. Every Cousins trip to the foul line, and there have been a slew of them, triggers serenades of either “Boo-gee! Boo-gee!” or “M-V-P! M-V-P!” And Gino’s goofy victory dance from the KG era died of natural causes, getting supplanted on the video screen by KC and the Sunshine Band singing “Boogie Shoes” (and, of course, Boogie’s head superimposed on KC). Celtics play-by-play legend Mike Gorman says simply, “Only Larry. That’s the only other guy who had … this.”
― nomar, Friday, 16 December 2016 02:26 (seven years ago) link
https://giant.gfycat.com/HarshInnocentFrenchbulldog.gif
― nomar, Friday, 16 December 2016 02:28 (seven years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/inspiring-man-who-single-handedly-brought-down-roger-g-1791962914
― mookieproof, Friday, 3 February 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
On the perception that, between HBO canceling his show and Medium abandoning his business model, his post-ESPN ventures have not had a great year:
I mean, people love to construct narrative.
― lag∞n, Friday, 3 February 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
have to admire his dedication to the trade concepts lifestyle
On inventing the concept of “blogging” in 2016:
And what we’ve realized is, there’s like a three-hour window after something happened when you have to have a piece up.
Let’s say Paul George gets traded to the Celtics. At Grantland, maybe we wait until the next day to write about that. Here, we have to write within three hours, because there’s a three-hour window where I’m like, “Paul George got traded to the Celtics and I want to read everything about it.”
― lag∞n, Friday, 3 February 2017 16:44 (seven years ago) link
how long before the ringer is just a podcast network
― lag∞n, Friday, 3 February 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
Snapchat doesn’t give a fuck.
― nomar, Friday, 3 February 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
snapchat is like so trill
― lag∞n, Friday, 3 February 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
Did Bill Simmons run over Deadspin's dog or something? They really seem to have an ax to grind with him.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 3 February 2017 21:54 (seven years ago) link
yeah it's pretty sad
― k3vin k., Friday, 3 February 2017 22:13 (seven years ago) link
Not that I like the Ringer at all.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 3 February 2017 22:28 (seven years ago) link
The Ringer remains a jokehttps://theringer.com/lebron-is-the-eastern-conferences-savior-8ab5602aed43#.oz34l9wlf
― Spottie, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:28 (seven years ago) link
San Antonio SpursThe Spurs, as relevant in 2013 as when LeBron was drafted, were hoping to bolster their dynasty by taking title no. 5, with more potentially on the way. After winning in ’99, ’03, ’05, and ’07, they were looking to make an unprecedented second run at a sequence of championships thanks to both the longevity of Duncan and the surging star that is Kawhi Leonard. Six years after their last title, this looked like the beginning of a second dynasty.But instead, they were the victim of a motivated LeBron and one of the greatest shots of all time. They came back to beat the Heat soundly in 2014, but the damage was already done. The Spurs would win their final title of the Duncan era without ever going back-to-back.
The Spurs, as relevant in 2013 as when LeBron was drafted, were hoping to bolster their dynasty by taking title no. 5, with more potentially on the way. After winning in ’99, ’03, ’05, and ’07, they were looking to make an unprecedented second run at a sequence of championships thanks to both the longevity of Duncan and the surging star that is Kawhi Leonard. Six years after their last title, this looked like the beginning of a second dynasty.But instead, they were the victim of a motivated LeBron and one of the greatest shots of all time. They came back to beat the Heat soundly in 2014, but the damage was already done. The Spurs would win their final title of the Duncan era without ever going back-to-back.
ok then
― nomar, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
a spurs team so damaged that they came all the way back next year to beat the heat 4-1 and send LeBron back to Cleveland.
― nomar, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:41 (seven years ago) link
the simmons-av club school for all its obsession with narrative really doesnt understand how it works, like youre not supposed to tell people youre doing it, the writing workshop is not the point of writing
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link
is bill simmons the terminus of postmodernism lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/844235006100692992
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 17:22 (seven years ago) link
I can't tell if he's joking or not. If he is, swing and a miss. If he isn't, then ffs dm that shit or better yet, get over it pettypants.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
Jonah even credits him at the end of the article, lol
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
even if this weren't so petty and absurd -- 'i invented ranking players, so no one else can do that, even in different sports, forever' -- bill simmons is not going to win a twitter popularity contest with jonah keri
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link
i'm pretty sure it's not serious
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link
If it was a joke, surely he would've sent a followup tweet smoothing everything over. I bet it was a DM that accidentally went public, like his "Moss Vikings" accidental tweet all those years ago.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
it is a horribly formed joke
― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 02:14 (seven years ago) link
bill simmons has always been unfunny which is why his career as a comedy writer made me question life itself
― nice cage (m bison), Thursday, 23 March 2017 04:59 (seven years ago) link
new whitlockkkkk
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-a-gawker-affiliated-website-made-espn-politically-correct-1494187629
― k3vin k., Monday, 8 May 2017 03:28 (six years ago) link
ESPN has recently faced public scrutiny beyond its control, an experience that has humbled the cable giant.
he's such a garbage writer, this is his first sentence of what is supposed to be a hard-hitting piece
― k3vin k., Monday, 8 May 2017 03:29 (six years ago) link
wow is the wsj really desperate enough to let whitlock in the door?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 8 May 2017 03:31 (six years ago) link
The consensus opinion blamed the network’s woes on overly expensive live-sports contracts and subscriber losses attributed to cable “cord-cutting.”That’s accurate but incomplete. What has truly impeded ESPN from overcoming its financial mistakes and inability to adapt to technological advances? The decadelong culture war ESPN lost to Deadspin, a snarky, politically progressive sports blog launched by Gawker’s Nick Denton in 2005.
That’s accurate but incomplete. What has truly impeded ESPN from overcoming its financial mistakes and inability to adapt to technological advances? The decadelong culture war ESPN lost to Deadspin, a snarky, politically progressive sports blog launched by Gawker’s Nick Denton in 2005.
i'm dying
― k3vin k., Monday, 8 May 2017 03:32 (six years ago) link
hahaha this is such a bullshit take
― nice cage (m bison), Monday, 8 May 2017 03:33 (six years ago) link
i'm not reading the whole thing but obviously it is completely insane
― call all destroyer, Monday, 8 May 2017 03:33 (six years ago) link
this is like an investigative report authored by an eleven year old donald trump
― k3vin k., Monday, 8 May 2017 03:36 (six years ago) link
it is so funny to me how an ostensibly sober, economic minded publication like the WSJ gets so in their feelings over culture warrior shit.
"well theres all this technological change and young ppl dont watch tv anymore but the REAL problem is that ESPN hires a bunch of women and didnt let me say whatever the fuck popped into my head."
― nice cage (m bison), Monday, 8 May 2017 03:55 (six years ago) link
the best part about this is that whitlock is getting uniformly positive feedback from trump voters and he loves it
― k3vin k., Monday, 8 May 2017 16:05 (six years ago) link
What the fuck is this doing in the Bill Simmons thread? Simmons has his faults, but he is still 10000000x better than this lameass.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 8 May 2017 21:05 (six years ago) link
yeah i know it just seems like we always link whitlock pieces in this thread for some reason
― k3vin k., Monday, 8 May 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
Whitlock is better than Simmons imo
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 8 May 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
o_____0
― k3vin k., Monday, 8 May 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
whitlock is barely literate. did you read that essay?
― k3vin k., Monday, 8 May 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
WSJ link makes me be a subscriber to view it
― Spottie, Monday, 8 May 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
i think you should be able to X out of the subscribe thing, unless you've already read too many articles
― k3vin k., Monday, 8 May 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
you don't get that thing if you go there from the link in his twitter
― call all destroyer, Monday, 8 May 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link
ok thx
― Spottie, Monday, 8 May 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
lol, on simmons' podcast today jason gay (who writes for the wsj) complained about "people wrapping [espn cuts] up into some kind of self-serving agenda or cultural statement about where espn is or isn't heading" without mentioning whitlock or the article specifically.
also simmons talked about how the espn.com redesign that basically hid all the writing, and i guess that was kind of early sign that cutting writers and reporters was coming.
― circles, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 02:08 (six years ago) link
honestly i still think of whitlock as the dude who wrote contrarian columns about the chiefs in the kansas city star in the late '90s, so his subsequent national level trolling career seems kind of bizarre even though his style hasn't changed that much.
― circles, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 02:18 (six years ago) link
he is truly singularly dumb for someone of his reach
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 9 May 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
Whitlock is a character, a contrarian buffoon. Simmons is a tedious, pretentious personality.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 03:17 (six years ago) link
I hate Armond White but at least he's not Peter Travers.
that is dumb
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 03:27 (six years ago) link
i don't like simmons, but he has done good things and supported good people. whitlock straight-up sucks, and lol at his hat on fs1
what's particularly painful now is watching shitheads like rob rossi imitate his/skip's assholery in an effort to get ahead
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 04:18 (six years ago) link
house otm in the recent pod when they were debating kyrie (and kyrie vs wall)
― k3vin k., Monday, 7 August 2017 02:14 (six years ago) link
house is becoming a better podcast host than simmons
― call all destroyer, Monday, 7 August 2017 02:15 (six years ago) link
http://awfulannouncing.com/online-outlets/ringer-pulls-off-vox-supported-re-launch-looks-lot-like-sb-nation-now.html
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 August 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/wQSXnoXx8v— Richard Deitsch (@richarddeitsch) September 8, 2017
lol kiss the ring punk
― k3vin k., Friday, 8 September 2017 04:24 (six years ago) link
kiss the ring....er
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link
House is ... good?
― Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 17 December 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
Deadspin’s constant Bill Simmons hate is so tiresome.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 12 January 2018 23:25 (six years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 12 January 2018 23:35 (six years ago) link
its not a high quality vendetta but i give it credit for duration
― lag∞n, Friday, 12 January 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
seems like an oedipal thing for magary
― mookieproof, Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:27 (six years ago) link
Simmons is a terrible writer tho
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:51 (six years ago) link
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:54 (six years ago) link
both are terrible, only one spends half his time writing about the other. i know which one i'd push into an elevator shaft first.
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:58 (six years ago) link
TheRinger is a much better website than deadspin.com.
― Jeff, Saturday, 13 January 2018 01:10 (six years ago) link
that line-by-line sarcastic response thing is so f’n played.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 13 January 2018 01:22 (six years ago) link
lol yeah very sad beef
― k3vin k., Saturday, 13 January 2018 06:45 (six years ago) link
One of my favorite sports columnists (Bill Simmons, ESPN online) works on this show now = classic
― luna (luna.c), Friday, April 25, 2003 2:16 AM (fourteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mookieproof, Friday, 2 February 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
ahahaha
― lag∞n, Friday, 2 February 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
I’m anti emotional support dogs but pro police dogs— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) February 27, 2018
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 02:51 (six years ago) link
simmons is the feds
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:11 (six years ago) link
hmm lets see, lil pups helping people feel at ease while on a big metal airborne caskets vs. lil fascist curs chomping on protesters exercising 1st amendment rights hmmmm
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:13 (six years ago) link
really incredible tweet he's def going to have to apologize for
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:14 (six years ago) link
is he being serious there b/c even Billy Simmons aint that tone deaf
― frogbs, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
emotional support dogs are silly tbf
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:19 (six years ago) link
he got fired up over a police chase and forgot himself
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:19 (six years ago) link
gonna be one of the weirder 'i was hacked' instances
― Clay, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:21 (six years ago) link
he tweeted earlier about an emotional support dog that attacked a girl on a plane, and then there was a police chase.... he's joking about his previous tweets but it still looks bad
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:29 (six years ago) link
KD comes off as a miserable asshole in this simmons podcast
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 March 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
any highlights? i’m not sure i’m going to get to it.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 30 March 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link
kevin poo rant
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 March 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link
the police dog tweet no longer exists btw
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 March 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 March 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link
his anti-analytics rant has gotten a lot of attention, and it is very dumb, but moreso he just is a condescending prick the entire time, basically taking offense to every question being asked
― k3vin k., Saturday, 31 March 2018 00:17 (six years ago) link
he seems like someone who might have a hard time being happy
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 March 2018 00:21 (six years ago) link
Got runs from taco bell though
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 March 2018 00:37 (six years ago) link
The pats lost the SB and his career peaked half a decade ago of course he’s salty
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 31 March 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link
lol wrong dude
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 March 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
I’m not wrong though
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 31 March 2018 01:12 (six years ago) link
nah simmons is good
― k3vin k., Saturday, 31 March 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
I felt like he kinda got yanked around in this interview and chickened out in a few spots
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Saturday, 31 March 2018 01:24 (six years ago) link
agree
― k3vin k., Saturday, 31 March 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link
though he did kind of call KD out a couple of times for being a grump
― k3vin k., Saturday, 31 March 2018 02:17 (six years ago) link
bill could have easily called/educated him on EFG% point. ive liked the KD interviews prior to this one but he really was an ass here. seemed like he took a contrarian stance on basically every question before even thinking about what was stated. im surprised that manager dude who was part of the interviews let this one out (he kinda seems like an ass too tho tbf).
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Saturday, 31 March 2018 03:57 (six years ago) link
agree w/y'all but I'm trying to have some sympathy for KD. he's been criticized relentlessly since deciding to go to GSW, plus seems to spend a fair bit of time on social media. idk seems bad for his psyche, one which prob had grumpish tendencies already.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 2 April 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/YCfzSFX.png
― ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Monday, 2 April 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Monday, 2 April 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
a man who has never heard of steampunk or latchkey kids
― let’s get real (alomar lines), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 04:56 (five years ago) link
can't fault him for the first one
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 05:08 (five years ago) link
brutal lol https://deadspin.com/a-peoples-history-of-bill-simmons-making-up-corny-thing-1826267364
― sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
DS just can’t leave Bill alone.
― Jeff, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
it was more fun to hear jeff goldblum poke fun at how lame and shallow bill's movie opinions are a few months ago.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
fun fun. anyway, those chants are very bad. I started listening to his podcasts, and I think I've finally reached simmons saturation. just hearing his voice bothers me now. and then his non-writer friend crew podcasts are also so terrible. it all gives me the feeling that I'm eating at a whalburgers.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
i feel so bad for whoever had to research that piece
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
seems like a passion project by david roth, who is a great writer btw
― sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
Of course there would be a chant using WNBA as an insult.
― omar little, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
“since you’re a girl I’ll walk you thru this”
― omar little, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
yeah roth is cool and simmons as anyone with a brain knows is good, seems like he was just having fun with the piece
― k3vin k., Thursday, 24 May 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link
ftr i like simmons fine but he’s not someone where i’d really relish digging thru the archives.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 May 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
some ppl take fart sniffing as a way of life and who am i to judge
― sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link
was listening to the dave chang podcast ... chang is like absurdly deferential to simmons, like simmons is his idol or somethin'... also i learned that rian johnson and karina longworth are a couple
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 24 May 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link
yeah, chang gives me the same grown up boss baby vibes I get from simmons. he is certainly a better food podcast host than "joe house", though.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 May 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link
What did Jeff Goldblum say to him? I couldn't make it through that pod. That deadspin article is very funny.
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 25 May 2018 07:37 (five years ago) link
Simmons kept asking variations of "you were in X movie. X was huge. What was that like?" and goldblum kept pointing it out to him instead of just telling a story about X movie.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 25 May 2018 11:53 (five years ago) link
Goldblum told him he sounds like "a producer" and indicated that they were poorly formed interview questions.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 25 May 2018 11:58 (five years ago) link
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 25 May 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
today’s Bill Simmons Podcast is LOADED pic.twitter.com/N3Yt6oiOlK— FatCroix Slim (@killakow) June 27, 2018
― Hall of Fam (Spottie), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
with nacho cheese and spicy ranch?
― sprout god (lag∞n), Wednesday, 27 June 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
lmao that's pretty good
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 June 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
Haralabos Voulgaris comes across as super shady. Deadspin or someone similar should write a profile of this dude. Everything online is personal myth making bullshit.
― Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 30 June 2018 02:19 (five years ago) link
lol he's a lifelong gambler, they are a shady bunch. I...know a lot of gamblers and haralabob comes across as pretty thoughtful and well-adjusted to me
looking forward to this pod, hopefully simmons lets him talk
― k3vin k., Saturday, 30 June 2018 02:22 (five years ago) link
if you go back like 5 years you can find pods with bob talking about his life. he grew up poor in canada, did some hustling, and started making serious money when he found some patterns in nba games. he seems like a really boring dude tbh but i like listening to him talk about ball.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 30 June 2018 02:29 (five years ago) link
boring maybe but seems like a chill guy. I would be his friend
― k3vin k., Saturday, 30 June 2018 02:52 (five years ago) link
to get courtside seats obv
it's cute how much he loves his little elderly dog
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 30 June 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link
lol this pod is heated, good stuff
― k3vin k., Saturday, 30 June 2018 03:28 (five years ago) link
https://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-gets-new-contract-at-hbo-1827829030
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:57 (five years ago) link
btw the ringer has become.....very good?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 27 July 2018 03:48 (five years ago) link
it has some good writers.
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 27 July 2018 04:03 (five years ago) link
theyve definitely found a groove
― InfoWarriors (Spottie), Friday, 27 July 2018 06:12 (five years ago) link
It's an everyday read now and not just the occasional link.
― Jeff, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:34 (five years ago) link
a bit embarrassed to admit that I love that they're essentially going to to rolling updated power rankings lol
http://tradevalue.theringer.com/
― k3vin k., Friday, 21 December 2018 05:47 (five years ago) link
he has dray above klay clearly been lurking
― Clay, Friday, 21 December 2018 06:12 (five years ago) link
tbf theyve both been bad this year
― тпсбlack (Spottie), Friday, 21 December 2018 06:16 (five years ago) link
this is deranged content... michelen stars and gold pantheons this is more complicated than school let me breathe man
― J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
3rd season is prob when ppl are least psyched about young players
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:06 (five years ago) link
cj above kyrie huh lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link
also a lot of this is just wrong on a pure base level... like jayson tatum over KD. if the celtics called the warriors and offered that trade straight up the warriors would laugh in their faces but boston would do it in a heartbeat
― J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link
yeah there some overvaluing of young players on cheap contracts going on here for sure, which is all well and good but you have to take in to consideration that young players are bad
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
if the bulls called the suns and offered wendell carter straight up for deandre ayton the suns would block the bulls front office's number
― J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
btw watched ayton the other night and hes def got some offensive game but yeah he looked tired out there energy levels cld be a problem
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:14 (five years ago) link
i don't necessarily think ayton is better than carter but the idea that carter has more trade value than ayton right now is crazy
― J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
its wrong for sure
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
the list is bad also why did they do the fancy design which relegates the info youre looking for to a fraction of the screen (on desktop)
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link
it does look way better on mobile
― J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
yeah I think the list would be better if he abandoned the tiers because clearly there are some players on bigger contracts that would definitely get traded for cheaper youngr players as jordan mentioned. I like the michelin stars tho haha, and the pantheon levels are just from his book
― k3vin k., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
got the #1 right obv :P
― frogbs, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
its funny because michelin ratings at least for american restaurants are also very bad and nonsensical
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
brow is way better than "the freak"
that one makes sense to me because of the contracts
― J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
if the bucks offered giannis to pelicans for brow they would have to do it
I must say that page has great web design (at least on my iPhone).
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
idk one player option year is not a huge differentiator in the long run, i mean maybe theyd do it cause cause their roster is garbage making a brow trade demand likely but that situation is just gonna make giannis unhappy too
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
he's going to beat this michelin star concept into the ground for like the next five years
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Friday, 21 December 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
id trade giannis for brow if i were the bucks but if i were the pelicans and id rather trade brow for some sort of more rebuilding type package
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
basically the context of the teams situation is completely missing from this, its more of a all things being equal wld u trade which is fine
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
like the warriors wldnt trade kd for tatum but if steph went down w a season ending injury tomorrow they prob wld since kd is prob out after this season
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, December 21, 2018 1:08 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
had to double-check that this was cj *mccollum* aka the ben gordon of the 2010s
― call all destroyer, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
hes a dece player but i mean cmon lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
had a hard time getting through this (viewed on desktop)
CJ vs BG kinda otm (through age 27 season)http://bkref.com/tiny/kjpCq
― тпсбlack (Spottie), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link
love to score 20 points a game and not really do other stuff
― call all destroyer, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:52 (five years ago) link
wow their stats are uncannily similar
― k3vin k., Saturday, 22 December 2018 00:47 (five years ago) link
i feel like deep down i always knew that ben gordon was the correct comparison but would never admit it to myself
― Clay, Saturday, 22 December 2018 01:15 (five years ago) link
i checked their per game stats really quick after thinking of that before i posted it and am v. proud of myself after seeing their career shooting percentages and advanced rate stats.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 December 2018 01:21 (five years ago) link
the advanced rate stats are eerie
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 22 December 2018 09:25 (five years ago) link
wow, that's impressively bad to look at on my laptop.
i know teams don't like to unload rookies that look somewhat promising, but there are a bunch on that list that are a long way from being actual good nba players.
― circles, Saturday, 22 December 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
bill simmons has put twitter ON NOTICE
― why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
"I'd say you have 8 to 12 months to figure it out" - bill simmons has set the timetable
― why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
it is so bizarre to pivot from 'dad talk with assholes' to this attempt at barbara walters style interview
― why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
Simmons moves to Gab in 2020.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
now for you to understand this theory about kevin durant you will have to pretend that he is patrick ewing— Amazon Original Series Bosch (@Mobute) May 11, 2019
― mookieproof, Saturday, 11 May 2019 03:32 (four years ago) link
im bill simmons and my new book is a podcast
― kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
so... many... podcasts
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
Are we sure Spotify is good??? https://t.co/Lz4JOFW4ah— Jay Yarow (@jyarow) January 17, 2020
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 17 January 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link
u know what just gotta say credit to the guy he is good at understanding tech, way early on blogvoice and early enough on pods to become huge in both; not really my cup of tea but hes obvs great at actually doing them too
― lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2020 23:37 (four years ago) link
funny to think if espn hung on to grantland it wld be way profitable by now via pods
― lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2020 23:38 (four years ago) link
bill simmons is often wrong but usually good
― k3vin k., Friday, 17 January 2020 23:43 (four years ago) link
i like bill, but his posse of old buddies can be awful
― if you're in the thread, keep on posting (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 17 January 2020 23:51 (four years ago) link
i cant stand his whole tone its p much a non starter for me tho i did used to like his basketball columns back in the day
― lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2020 23:52 (four years ago) link
also i do not pod
got to pod
― if you're in the thread, keep on posting (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 17 January 2020 23:52 (four years ago) link
i just really dont like listening to recordings of ppl talking like radio audio books whatever im just not into it i find it irritating
― lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2020 23:54 (four years ago) link
i do it cos all the good ocntent is on there but i dont enjoy it. i listen at 1.25X speed so i can get through it quick and speed up the pod voice cadences
― omg what did you type to find this gif? (Spottie), Friday, 17 January 2020 23:56 (four years ago) link
the only two pods i got into were on the same long drive the one abt the manson family and the one about buddy cianci they were both excellent
― lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2020 23:57 (four years ago) link
I'd like to go back to the 2001 version of me and say "in 2020, Simmons will *still* be talking about Rounders"
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 January 2020 00:29 (four years ago) link
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 00:30 (four years ago) link
Totally agree w p much all the negative criticisms but dude knows nba past and present. Generally find it worthwhile to put up with his grating qualities to get that sweet gooey bball knowledge.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 18 January 2020 01:54 (four years ago) link
That said I feel like he has same problem I have with most sports talk: too much "insider baseball shit", salary and trade talk, and not enough about strategy and personalities and scouting. Which is why you I've been gravitating to the ex or current player-run podcasts
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 18 January 2020 01:57 (four years ago) link
yeah cld see that
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 01:58 (four years ago) link
man but how else will you know if bill's college roommate ate a good brunch last weekend?
― if you're in the thread, keep on posting (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:02 (four years ago) link
i support anyone getting a good brunch so kudos to him
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:06 (four years ago) link
classic lag∞n
― mookieproof, Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:09 (four years ago) link
gotta be me!
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:10 (four years ago) link
To me, the insider stuff is the only reason to listen to him on basketball. If he tries to talk strategy or scouting, I'm fastforwarding to the brunch talk.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:14 (four years ago) link
Well there's insider stuff from player perspective which I love a ton. And there's insider stuff from a beat reporter type perspective or about the league as a business, which I could not care less about. Different strokes tho obv. Seems like most sports fans eat that stuff up.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:19 (four years ago) link
By insider stuff I mean more like "Delonte West fucked Lebron's mom"
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:26 (four years ago) link
loool
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:30 (four years ago) link
Lol. Ya I don't care about the soap opera stuff
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:55 (four years ago) link
there are plenty of things to get on bill about, but it's pretty darn impressive what he's built from scratch in barely five years.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:32 (four years ago) link
can someone briefly explain how podcasts make money (i really have no idea). are people paying to subscribe?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:35 (four years ago) link
in-pod ads are v common
― Clay, Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:38 (four years ago) link
ok, thanks
lol advertisers
― mookieproof, Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:40 (four years ago) link
squarespace, stamps dot com, and leesa mattress. Most have also begun to ask siri or google questions during the cast in the form of a really shit disguised ad.
― if you're in the thread, keep on posting (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:44 (four years ago) link
a lot of them also have subscriber things where u get special eps and so forth
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:45 (four years ago) link
chapo pulling down a cool $150k a month on patreon https://www.patreon.com/chapotraphouse
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:46 (four years ago) link
i was stunned when i looked into pod advertising rates; given the low overhead you can make a *lot* of money if you have the audience
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:49 (four years ago) link
just talk into the mic baby!
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 05:47 (four years ago) link
I back only one podcast patreon, for now.
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 18 January 2020 05:50 (four years ago) link
who is it
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 05:52 (four years ago) link
if i listened to podcasts, or honestly deeply cared about the NBA, i would absolutely pay like a dollar a month to hear lag∞n and k3vin talk about hoops -- except that i get a dollar back every time the celtics are mentioned
― mookieproof, Saturday, 18 January 2020 06:07 (four years ago) link
what kevin just gets to talk abt whatever he wants and im oppressed over here
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 06:10 (four years ago) link
u want a podcast abt nikola jokic is that what you want
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 06:12 (four years ago) link
no extremely hypothetical dollar for u
― mookieproof, Saturday, 18 January 2020 06:13 (four years ago) link
goddamn it
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 06:13 (four years ago) link
we should def ‘cast buds
― Clay, Saturday, 18 January 2020 06:27 (four years ago) link
lets pod
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 06:38 (four years ago) link
halfcourt trap house
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Saturday, 18 January 2020 13:47 (four years ago) link
a bunch of white leftists talk about why denver should pipe weed smoke in the arena (imo for ep 1)
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Saturday, 18 January 2020 13:48 (four years ago) link
why dont the nuggets have a weed themed alternate? (should the players strike?)
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
Got Mile High City ones already!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 18 January 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link
true lol
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link
the dirtbag left hand hook
― Clay, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:32 (four years ago) link
im very clean actually i consider myself cosmic left
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link
As obnoxious as this guy can be I do respect him for punting his ESPN job because he wouldn’t recant his criticism of Goodell
― frogbs, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:41 (four years ago) link
never work for the mouse
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:42 (four years ago) link
https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/05/spotify-is-buying-the-ringer-to-boost-its-sports-podcast-content/
ESPN could not have possibly dropped the ball any worse on this. They should’ve dominated the entire podcast market.
Also: RIP to anybody at the Ringer who doesn’t do podcasts.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 15:00 (four years ago) link
Looks like they kept the whole staff though
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 19:10 (four years ago) link
have to say, the nba redraft series he's doing is really good, some of the best quarantine content i've come across. just really fun tbt stuff
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link
which ones have been the best?
― k3vin k., Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:41 (four years ago) link
sounds relevant to my interests.....
― lag∞n, Thursday, 9 April 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
you don't do podcasts!!
― k3vin k., Thursday, 9 April 2020 21:10 (four years ago) link
mb u cld transcribe them for me
― lag∞n, Thursday, 9 April 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
hmph
― k3vin k., Thursday, 9 April 2020 21:15 (four years ago) link
it has been a great series. i hope he does it up through '06 or so.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link
01, 99, 98... they're all p good tbh. would maybe just pick based on guests.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 April 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link
96 one was fun
― symsymsym, Friday, 10 April 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link
okay, the podcasts are pretty good. lol, occasionally you can tell they're just sitting in front of their computers with basketball-reference open b/c they'll quote a partial season stat as if it were actually for the whole season.
i went back and read the michael lewis "no-stats all-star" shane battier article that i think i missed the first time around b/c he mentioned it in the 2001 podcast with lowe. nice little blast from the past, even had hinkie in it when he was still working for the rockets.
― circles, Monday, 13 April 2020 01:37 (four years ago) link
it's basically just let's remember some guys for the nba in podcast form and honestly i couldn't ask for anything better.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 13 April 2020 02:15 (four years ago) link
ok, so i was watching the 2004 redraftable and two things:
1. Bill picked Anderson Varejao ahead of JR Smith, which is ridiculous. He acknowledged the mistake within minutes, but still.
2. I was reminded of ill-fated SuperSonics pick Robert Swift, which led me to google him to remind myself what he looks like, which led me to this pic:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Robert_Swift.jpg
And now I need to know who the other guy (#43) is in the pic. I recognize him, but can't place the name.
I didn't know where else to go for help...
― alpine static, Thursday, 11 June 2020 09:31 (three years ago) link
paul butorac
― micah, Thursday, 11 June 2020 10:05 (three years ago) link
lol, didn't realize until listening to the 2006 redraft that chris ryan was chaunceybillups.blogspot.com. some real ye olde blog days shit.
― circles, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 00:33 (three years ago) link
‘this isn’t open mic night’
― mookieproof, Monday, 22 June 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link
he's extremely condescending. idk. someone also needs to tell him that hiring famous celebrities to do podcasts does not address structural issues raised by your employees.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 June 2020 02:33 (three years ago) link
Varejao over JR is totally fine! If you were gonna pick a dumb simmons draft thing that would be really low on the list
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 03:02 (three years ago) link
JR was considered ultra high risk because he mostly went off in allstar games iirc
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 03:03 (three years ago) link
― mookieproof, Monday, June 22, 2020 6:32 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
he gave his teenage daughter a podcast lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 03:25 (three years ago) link
it's unbelievable that he not only uttered that quote in some fashion but that he actually typed it out, presumably had it read over by other ppl, and still sent it out
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 June 2020 03:41 (three years ago) link
yeah not real swift
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 04:42 (three years ago) link
noted dickhead continues to be a dickhead, more to come
― micah, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 06:16 (three years ago) link
presumably had it read over by other ppl
i suspect the sports guy, like stephen king, is above being edited
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 07:01 (three years ago) link
wtf are you guys talking about?
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 07:50 (three years ago) link
Lol. Bill Simmons:- Gave his teenage daughter a podcast - has his son on many podcasts - employs his nephew as a producer - gave two podcasts to a friend whose main personality is “I enjoy eating food” But yeah bro this isn’t open mic night. https://t.co/5r6C7KWLDL pic.twitter.com/Kh3XPHHbww— Joseph 🇺🇦 (@JosephStash) June 22, 2020
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 12:42 (three years ago) link
Joe House more egregious than his daughter
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link
Bill's Bernie Sanders impression, which he only does for his republican friends like cousin sal, is also the most open mic night thing ever.
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 13:55 (three years ago) link
im feeling simultaneous intrigue and revulsion
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
it is the poetry slam of bernie sanders impressions
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 14:41 (three years ago) link
bill simmons IS bernie sanders IN the book of shit we don't need to see or hear
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link
I stopped listening to Simmons’ podcasts when sports ended. I take it I’m not missing much?
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:16 (three years ago) link
i heard hes doing a redraft of every nba draft of recent past which is something i wld be into if i listened to pods
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, June 23, 2020 8:16 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
same. pretty much cut off all sports media.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link
i typed e in to my browser yesterday to check the nba standings re the restart in the bubble and it didnt even autofill espn.com/nba
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link
I guess now that I’m finished with all of ILX’s Underworld poll playlist I need something else to listen to, so I shall check these “Redraftables” out.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:55 AM (two hours ago)
honestly all of his impressions are insanely bad
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 June 2020 16:01 (three years ago) link
he is insanely unfunny which is why i struggle every day to understand why he was ever employed to write on a comedy show
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
i thought he was funny when he first came out not uproarious but amusing times change people grow seasons change
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link
he is a content faucet. some of that can probably be polished into funny stuff within a writers room. it was also a late night television show, a very low bar for comedy.
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 23, 2020 12:01 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Ive long suspected he is literally, not just metaphorically, tone deaf
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
can’t imagine Simmons doing an impression at all just bc his vanilla regular speaking voice is so specific and bad
― Clay, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link
its funny he became a podcast kingpin / was on tv when i remember in one of his early columns he talked about how awful his voice was
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 20:57 (three years ago) link
by far the most cringeworthy part of the simmons/rusillo dynamic is when they start riffing w/ each other and lapse into impressions, bcuz rusillo is fairly passable and bill is just like, so heavy on his feet and overall unfunny. it has a real little brother trying to prove to big brother that he's funny vibes.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
yah i usually just jump all over that 15 second skip button until the sports talk comes back
― Spottie, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:13 (three years ago) link
everyone deep down just wants to riff, and be loved for it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:14 (three years ago) link
used to listen to his nfl odds pod pretty regularly. one of the reasons i stopped: he started doing that andrew luck "impression" every week.
― ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link
also, i realized that i was mainly listening to him so i could get angry at him and who needs that?
i fuckin hate this guy who ive listened to for hundreds of hours thereby enriching him lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:28 (three years ago) link
Is his daughter's podcast any good? I bet it's better than Dave Chang's podcast, yikes.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link
I really enjoy listening to his podcast, and Bill in general, but I'm hardly a hardcore sports fan.
― DJI, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:36 (three years ago) link
the dave chang one is bad but i tried the joe house golf one and that was maybe the worst podcast id ever heard.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, June 23, 2020 4:28 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
ha, im a ny sports fan so even when i liked him there was a decent amount of anger involved
― ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link
boston simultaneously becoming a sport villain and location for white gangster movies really leveled the whole city up in pop culture visibility
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link
even when i liked him there was a decent amount of anger involved
most sports columnists and commentators have figured out that the road to fame and fortune is to have challops people react strongly to. they are allowed to mix these in with staid opinions almost everyone would agree with or a bit of maudlin sentimental nostalgia, but the challops are what get people to pay attention to you.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link
i don't listen to podcasts and haven't read anything by him in years, but . . . back long ago on espn page 2 i didn't think he was that challopy?
he was simply willing to endlessly write 4000-word columns and lard them with obvious pop-culture references for a man his age (which is roughly mine). he was unabashed about being a boston fan, which was annoying but relatable. obviously knew a ton about the NBA; probably knew about as much NFL as a *really* obsessed fantasy player; don't think he knew much about anything else outside of the bruins and red sox (and yankees, by transmission)
anyway i certainly don't remember him deliberately taking absurd positions like a skip bayless (okay there was that dream of boogie column but that was just stupid, i don't think he was trying to fire anyone up to fight him)
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 22:44 (three years ago) link
yeah his early persona was more the every man fans point of view which was novel in the pre blog ecosystem, over time he became a more conventional tv talking head type except who was still obsessed with forcing pop culture references into everything, kind of like when dennis miller hosted monday night football (not sure if im making that up)
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 22:50 (three years ago) link
well but instead of obscure world war 1 references it was, like, rocky and back to the future
― Clay, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 22:51 (three years ago) link
bad run for these type of guys
The CEO of Bleacher Report has stepped down in the wake of employee concerns about racial diversity https://t.co/Y83Ey8fP12— Bloomberg (@business) June 23, 2020
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 22:56 (three years ago) link
take sides: kornheiser vs. dennis miller on monday night football
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 23:01 (three years ago) link
booger mobile over both imo
― ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 23:15 (three years ago) link
for real tho, i think miller, since at least he committed to the bit.
ill take kornheiser hes more normal plus has an old school east coast ethnic white quality that is better than nothing, mostly tho its miller is just such a flagrant attention whore i cant stand to listen to him for a second
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 23:19 (three years ago) link
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:31 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
it's a little much to say she has a full podcast--she gets to use one of their pop culture feeds once a month, if that.
but she's pretty good, they basically just get her to talk about whatever she's into but she's prepared, intelligent, and a decent speaker. i think the first time i heard her she did a third-chair thing when bill interviewed the director of that movie eighth grade. she was really good in that one and the director engaged with her questions and thoughts in a cool way.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 00:54 (three years ago) link
gotta be better than "jack-o's republican minute"
― ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 00:59 (three years ago) link
has she weighed in on her dad 'pulling the goalie'
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 01:00 (three years ago) link
oh maybe jack-o is the republican guy. sorry, cousin sal.
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link
so many doomed fly nicknames stuck in the web of bill's nepotism
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link
Dave Chang's netflix shows are good. For some reason, he can't stop talking about how hard he works on the pod. Or interrogating the head chefs at his restaurants in a way that makes me uncomfortable. I love him for the great cookbooks and food things he's done, though. I wonder if fancy japanese chefs see him as guy fierri, though.
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 02:22 (three years ago) link
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:16 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
pretty sure they're both republicans but only jack-o is on the record as a simpleton who longs for the reagan years and thought that marco rubio was a great candidate.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link
https://www.truehoop.com/p/do-i-get-to-speak-now-its-been-like
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 June 2020 23:50 (three years ago) link
this is damning
https://i.imgur.com/Q1RKqb3.png
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:00 (three years ago) link
that's a fun read
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 26 June 2020 00:06 (three years ago) link
henry abbott has been pulling this whiny sour grapes shit since he got laid off. everything he writes could be true, or could not be true. but only child syndrome? fuck off w/that.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:11 (three years ago) link
good hit piece imo its def petty but does makes its case, the only child stuff is obvs dumb but kinda works in context
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link
yeah the only child stuff is lame and stupid, and also puts him on a team with jason whitlock
― mookieproof, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:22 (three years ago) link
i suspect bills influence at espn had more to do with the fact that he did numbers than abbott is saying tho no doubt hes prob a good politicker too, then once grantland had failed for long enough bills power at espn dried up
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:23 (three years ago) link
abbott's truehoop newsletter writing is insanely smug and self-satisfied
― call all destroyer, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link
Cousin Sal does a show with Clay Travis
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 26 June 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link
podcasting really gave him a second life god bless, wonder how spotify is feeling right now lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:26 (three years ago) link
simmons definitely had some very powerful friends at espn, and also the culture at espn is extremely competitive and fucked up. i don't think any dysfunction at espn was unique to or really had anything to do with simmons, he was just a big planet in that orbit.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:27 (three years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:24 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah i never really liked him generally just a really boring conventional writer, havent read him in many years, i do like mean gossipy hit pieces against people i dislike tho lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:28 (three years ago) link
true, that's an evergreen genre
― call all destroyer, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:29 (three years ago) link
As others have already pointed out, Simmons gave his daughter a podcast, hired his nephew (who subsequently recorded a diss track complaining about The Ringer's employees daring to unionize)
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/slideshow/Drew-Magary-Bill-Simmons-The-Ringer-Open-Mic-Night-204312.php
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:37 (three years ago) link
xp def nothing better than weaponized slime against a dude I can’t stand, solidarity with all those who agree with me about who sucks
― Clay, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link
amen
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link
Didn't he try to bury Free Darko for some reason
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 26 June 2020 00:44 (three years ago) link
i don't know pageviews or whatever, but page 2-era simmons seemed like a big draw, it's not like a complete mystery how he got leverage at espn. they gave him a lot, and it probably ended up being a bad deal for them, but the reasoning behind it wasn't that weird.
i think there was some point when he was complaining about "bloggers" generally, that they didn't have his high standards, etc. being kind of resentful of people who come after you when you were slightly ahead of the curve is very simmons-y.
― circles, Friday, 26 June 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link
he used to complain abt deadspin a lot
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 01:41 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbKFAtBXQAAhod0?format=jpg&name=medium
― Clay, Friday, 26 June 2020 01:42 (three years ago) link
wow lol that is a nightmare image
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link
had no idea he dresses like an LA guy
the perfect west coast 'fit for jogging, brunch, guesting on a pod, or even ducking the paparazzi
― Clay, Friday, 26 June 2020 01:46 (three years ago) link
wearing a knit cap where the climate never demands it, also youre indoors
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 01:48 (three years ago) link
need an evolution of man graphic except it's boston man turning into LA man
― circles, Friday, 26 June 2020 02:25 (three years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Friday, 26 June 2020 02:28 (three years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 02:29 (three years ago) link
Lmao
― Spottie, Friday, 26 June 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link
Sometimes I think back to how bad his hbo show was
― Spottie, Friday, 26 June 2020 03:00 (three years ago) link
man, that abbott piece is hot trash. starts off with what seems like will be an essay on diversity issues and shady practices and ends up being 5000 words on his own professional grievances. really pathetic
― k3vin k., Friday, 26 June 2020 03:34 (three years ago) link
I feel like if I were to write a long essay where every other paragraph was me marveling at how this talentless hack kept pulling off these professional feats and getting big names to co-sign him, I might at some point ask myself, am I the one without the talent?
― k3vin k., Friday, 26 June 2020 03:36 (three years ago) link
this is also a guy who published entire pieces on the jeffrey epstein thing that basically concluded "is there a link to the nba? i don't know, but probably!"
― call all destroyer, Friday, 26 June 2020 03:47 (three years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, June 26, 2020 1:41 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
This is probably because Deadspin hated his fucking guts and were always posting the stupidest pettiest hit pieces on him all the time.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 26 June 2020 10:12 (three years ago) link
That Abbott article is garbage.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 26 June 2020 10:13 (three years ago) link
the bill simmons defender has logged on
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Friday, 26 June 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
he's an easy target and I'm sure has done all sorts of bad stuff but that article is the fluffiest of sour grapes. absolutely nothing of substance there
― k3vin k., Friday, 26 June 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
...disagree
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link
what did you learn from that article other than he’s an overambitious cutthroat brown noser?
― k3vin k., Friday, 26 June 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link
thats good enough for me
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Friday, 26 June 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link
also a tantrum throwing lil bitch, i dont think any of those things are insubstantial, its a particular type of behavior that makes life shitty for people who have to be around people like him
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link
sure but these stories have been around forever, it's also a trait that is pretty much universal among people with his kind of clout. and again the article started off like it was going to be some sort of takedown of him as a racist (which may still be true) but ended up just being abbott airing his own personal grievances. it was petty and embarrassing given the moment
― k3vin k., Friday, 26 June 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
idk it's one of those things where if you come at someone like simmons you better really come correct and it was mostly just a bunch of workplace gossip
― k3vin k., Friday, 26 June 2020 18:19 (three years ago) link
the article started off like it was going to be some sort of takedown of him as a racist (which may still be true) but ended up just being abbott airing his own personal grievances. it was petty and embarrassing given the moment
this is otm
― mookieproof, Friday, 26 June 2020 18:20 (three years ago) link
sure but these stories have been around forever, it's also a trait that is pretty much universal among people with his kind of clout.
― k3vin k., Friday, June 26, 2020 2:17 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
untrue and frankly pretty toxic
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 18:20 (three years ago) link
still a fun read!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 26 June 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
At both his sites, he has collected writers like they’re trophies he can display in his mancave. He hasn’t learned a thing from any of them.
this rings true for Dave Chang, as well. Bill remains committed to chicken parm.
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 26 June 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link
tbf chang likes ch parm too
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 June 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
Bill goes to fancy restaurants and orders the steak
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 26 June 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link
the henry abbott piece is great gossip but it also makes abbott look like a fucking insane person... as none of us are personally involved we can just enjoy it for bringing drama
― J0rdan S., Friday, 26 June 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link
yeah i came out of it liking both of them less. here for the dramz tho of course
― Spottie, Friday, 26 June 2020 22:14 (three years ago) link
i got more out of the tweets abbott collected than anything he said in his piece
― ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Friday, 26 June 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29375906/espn-show-confirms-decision-was-fan-idea-not-lebron-james
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Sunday, 28 June 2020 02:52 (three years ago) link
as an editor, i surprisingly often have to nix the 'taking talents to' formulation
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 June 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link
you certainly don't want things of that nature slipping into the pieces you edit
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 28 June 2020 03:32 (three years ago) link
talents, crab rangoon, things of that nature
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 June 2020 03:44 (three years ago) link
lol someones gotta dig into what simmons said over the years about the decision
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2020 03:46 (three years ago) link
ahaha, he literally pitched it to maverick carter or whoever?
― circles, Sunday, 28 June 2020 04:12 (three years ago) link
yeap
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2020 14:49 (three years ago) link
that’s wiiiiild
the beauty of podcasts is it’s hard to find actual records of takes but I know for sure he has repeatedly said stuff about how the decision was a failure of having the wrong people around him or whatever back then. this is hilarious
― k3vin k., Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link
see if i were bill simmons i wouldve played it real cool everytime the topic came up
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Y4QUqa5.png
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
Every life event is like sports. Every sports event is like a movie. Every movie is rewatchable.
― the warm seafood salad that exists (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
-Buddha Simmons
imagining myself listening to a podcast of simmons rewatching goodfellas then becoming the unibomber
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
https://www.espn.com/general/page2/story?id=5366996&src=desktop
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link
TLDR:
“So when Clemens went to Toronto, got in shape, won two straight Cy Youngs and forced a trade to the Yankees, really, a column called "Is Clemens the Antichrist?" became inevitable as soon as I found a bigger forum to write it. I hated that guy as much as you could hate a professional athlete without things getting creepy.
And you know what? What LeBron did to Cleveland last night was worse. Much worse.
It's one thing to leave. I get it. You're 25. You don't know any better. You're tired of carrying mediocre teams. You want help. You want the luxury of not having to play a remarkable game every single night for eight straight months. You want to live in South Beach. You want to play with your buddies. I get it. I get it. But turning that decision into a one-hour special, pretending that it hadn't been decided weeks ago, using a charity as your cover-up and ramming a pitchfork in Cleveland's back like you were at the end of a Friday the 13th movie and Cleveland was Jason ... there just had to be a better way.”
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link
― lag∞n, Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:37 (three years ago) link
i want netw3rk to do the whole nba desktop about this. get all the articles, pod audio, and video clips lined up and just completely roast his boss.
― circles, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link
bill is a good sport he would like that
― lag∞n, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:05 (three years ago) link
wait.... this news... what the fuck lmao
― J0rdan S., Monday, 29 June 2020 02:11 (three years ago) link
when i read the report it seemed like there were 8 critical things that occurred between the mailbag column and the decision itself and it wasn't really that interesting
― call all destroyer, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:26 (three years ago) link
the thing that nobody involved at any point could know is that lebron would choose miami and say "i'm taking my talents to south beach"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 29 June 2020 02:32 (three years ago) link
you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it light itself on fire and then drown
― J0rdan S., Monday, 29 June 2020 02:33 (three years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:39 (three years ago) link
lmao this is amazing
― frogbs, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:47 (three years ago) link
― Spottie, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:48 (three years ago) link
he does love content, idk.
obviously lebron is responsible for how it went down, but the fact that simmons did what he did to get the ball rolling is hilarious to me.
― circles, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:59 (three years ago) link
its very funny, and then he just carried on like he didnt do it
― lag∞n, Monday, 29 June 2020 03:03 (three years ago) link
bill is not a good sport for the record i was just kidding
yeah he is a guy who for better or worse likes to make predictions and brag about his correct predictions and it’s something you think he’d mention when the topic comes up if he were proud of it
― k3vin k., Monday, 29 June 2020 03:04 (three years ago) link
bill setting it up and immediately armchair fan tut-tutting the thing is just so pure
― Clay, Monday, 29 June 2020 03:30 (three years ago) link
whats a cheap assist lol
Bill Simmons' in his latest podcast: "Luka's assists are like Bird's - they're not cheap assists... like the James Harden type of assists'.— Andrew Soukup (@asoukuptx) August 10, 2020
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 00:35 (three years ago) link
crash toward the basket and kick it out for a three?
― DJI, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 00:47 (three years ago) link
BS almost ruins Luka for me
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 00:52 (three years ago) link
he was basically talking about seeing passes that most ppl don't see vs. passing to a spot and knowing someone is there. it was pretty forced.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 01:30 (three years ago) link
not sure where to put this, but netw3rk is leaving the ringer
some personal news! pic.twitter.com/flfHRoK9ax— ☕netw3rk (@netw3rk) October 30, 2020
― glengarry gary beers (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 October 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
boooo
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 30 October 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
somethings afoot at spotify ringer
hi! today is my last day at the ringer. it’s been a delight working with so many thoughtful and brilliant people over the last four years. i was 22 and waiting tables in kentucky when they called me - i’ll be grateful always, to the ringer and to any of you who followed along ❤️— haley o'shaughnessy (@HaleyOSomething) October 30, 2020
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 October 2020 20:26 (three years ago) link
it's not spotify. people don't like working for bill because he's an asshole
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 21:12 (three years ago) link
is that what's going on? losing newtork seems like a big deal
― Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2020 21:28 (three years ago) link
idk about each individual situation but from what i've heard in aggregate yeah
also the union stuff there has been a huge battle even before spotify. i'm sure it hasn't been helped by the acquisition, but it was bill vs his employees in a way that really brought a lot of the underlying issues w/ working there to the surface (again, from what i understand). it doesn't seem like any of it has been resolved really
Too many of our members have said that they struggle to cover basic living expenses from month to month, and too many of our members say that they have received little to no salary increases even as they take on more responsibilities.— Ringer Union (@RingerUnion) August 20, 2020
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
athletic gonna take on all these people leaving? makes the most sense. seems like their personalities might be capped a bit there vs ringer tho
― Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link
maybe this was naive of me working for a gigantic company but i was extremely surprised at the lack of basic HR and career dev stuff at the ringer based on what the union was claiming. is it uncommon in internet media?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 30 October 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
at start up type websites definitely not. for the ringer you could make an argument that it’s different bcuz bill has run a website before and should have also learned from the mistakes of similar type websites before him, but speaking from what i know personally, the HR/office infrastructure situations at places like pre-conde pitchfork or the fader (or gawker lol) were shoestring at best to nonexistent + actively harmful at worst. the career dev aspect is trickier and that’s a huge issue at the ringer specifically as it pertains to the divisions between writing and podcasting and video and who got the opportunities to do what, but in general when you have ppl competing for scarce opportunities and a belief that certain ppl will do better in front facing roles (i.e. being on camera) than others you run into these types of situations pretty quickly where a select few ppl seem to be elevated at the expense of their coworkers. bill is just really bad at this — his response to a reckoning this year about the lack of diversity in his podcasts was (largely) to hire a bunch of celebs like bakari sellers, raja bell, ryan shazier etc, while also giving shows/jobs to his children and relatives and then claiming that he was simply running a meritocracy.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
presumably espn handled all the annoying HR stuff at bill's previous website
athletic seems to be stressing podcasting lately, but apart from that i think the era of them hiring everyone is long over
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2020 22:17 (three years ago) link
network could probaly just do his own thing
― Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2020 22:36 (three years ago) link
yeah he’ll get into TV or something i’m sure
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 22:43 (three years ago) link
the ringer trending toward celeb podcasts is a disappointing and predictable development with the spotify purchase
― call all destroyer, Friday, 30 October 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link
btw can someone explain to me, a non-podcast listener, how this has become so huge and lucrative? like i understand rogan or whomever, i guess, but there are only so many hours in a day to listen/pay attention to hour-long sound files and their ads. idgi
― mookieproof, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:02 (three years ago) link
is it just venture capital
― mookieproof, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:04 (three years ago) link
podcasts are very popular and usually very cheap to produce but yeah prob just vc
― lag∞n, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:09 (three years ago) link
it was possible until recently to do pretty well with an independent podcast that had a decent listener base using ads alone. i think reduction in commuting time this year plus some consolidation of the ad market for podcasts is changing that. my favorite basketball pod recently went from ad-supported to a subscription model, which i could see happening with a lot of pods not backed by a major company.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:13 (three years ago) link
Yah my pod listening is down to like one per week or two where I used to listen daily
― Spottie, Saturday, 31 October 2020 03:12 (three years ago) link
what do y'all actually pay for?
i pay for the athletic, and a non-commenting defector account, and am about to cancel my sling.tv subscription because there are no sporps
― mookieproof, Saturday, 31 October 2020 04:54 (three years ago) link
right now i pay for the athletic and the aforementioned subscription to dunc’d on. not sure i’ll stick with the athletic tbh. i like it but i don’t love it.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 October 2020 12:30 (three years ago) link
I pay for Athletic, that's about it
Netwerk had the only Ringer podcast I still listened to so I'm down to zero on that front.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
This fucking baby https://t.co/0Mdul4O0RJ pic.twitter.com/ta99MMAqeT— Barry Petchesky (@barry) November 19, 2020
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 16:34 (three years ago) link
Oh no, he unfollowed someone. This is so stupid.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
its stupid but not in the way you think
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:43 (three years ago) link
he never mentions writers who left the company (like netw3rk and robert mays). they wrote gracious "thank you" posts too, but no response from him.
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
i mean how soon does he just drop the written/web component of the ringer and make it the celebrity podcast network that he and spotify want it to be?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
yeah
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link
there arent enough celeb pods already huh
― Spottie, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:22 (three years ago) link
until every celebrity has a pod our work is not done
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link
are any of those celebrity pods actually successful?
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 November 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link
a lot of celeb pods are huge
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 November 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link
he never mentions writers who left the company (like netw3rk and robert mays). they wrote gracious "thank you" posts too, but no response from him.― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:49 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:49 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
he quit twitter when the “this isn’t open mic” story happened.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 19 November 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link
or doesn't talk about them on his pods, make a statement...they become persona non grata
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 20 November 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link
he'd kill a GM who managed personnel as sullenly as he does
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 20 November 2020 00:26 (three years ago) link
"I think, from people we talked to and stuff we’ve read, the shooting kind of set the tone for how the city thinks about stuff. Even, when we were at Game 3: Great crowd, they fall behind, and the whole crowd got tense. It was like, 'Oh no, something bad's gonna happen.' And I think it starts from that shooting. And it's just that mindset they have."
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 18 January 2021 23:59 (three years ago) link
I am happy to report that I have stopped listening to Bill Simmons' podcast. I am sorry to report that I now listen to Ryen's podcast.
― Florida Man vs. California Bill (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 01:29 (three years ago) link
a lateral move
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link
the first step is recognizing that pods are bad
― trans-panda express (m bison), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 01:45 (three years ago) link
i, on the other hand, have just started faithfully listening to Bill's podcast in the past six months. it is full of insane and inane statements, and it makes me laugh.
― alpine static, Sunday, 23 May 2021 05:57 (two years ago) link
post some funny things he said
― lag∞n, Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:27 (two years ago) link
he isn’t even semi-coherent on basketball anymore.
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:35 (two years ago) link
I would not listen to the bill simmons podcast and I’m only dimly aware of who he is (a man who wrote for some websites?) but I suspect I would enjoy a podcast that just makes fun of his podcast
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link
I still dig his podcast.
― DJI, Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link
I suspect I would enjoy a podcast that just makes fun of his podcast
this has to exist somewhere
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Sunday, 23 May 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link
it's this: https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/
^ this also makes me laugh, it has very much evolved from a subreddit about Simmons' various media doings to a subreddit about making fun of Bill
also, xp, lagoon, Russillo makes me laugh more than Bill, and anything that made me laugh won't translate here, but for example, last night Bill couldn't pronounce Ntilikina and Ryen called him on it - even said he hears from people about Bill's inability to pronounce stuff (which i was kinda surprised he said) - and like 5 minutes later, Bill, with great timing, called him Frankie Nicotine. it was pretty funny.
his takes and theories and whatnot are just bizarre, though, no doubt about it. his basketball brain has been turned to mush by his obsession with lists and rankings and pantheons and trades and whatnot. oh, and by the millions and millions of dollars he has.
― alpine static, Monday, 24 May 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link
im willing to have my basketball acumen eroded by millions of dollars if anyone is offering
― lag∞n, Monday, 24 May 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link
rusillo frequently needles simmons over his history of saying he knows something about basketball bcuz of experience he has playing pick up basketball in college with joe house
― J0rdan S., Monday, 24 May 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link
the podcast has kinda become 2 hours of Russillo walking a tightrope between making fun of Bill and showing restraint. this is part of what's funny ... to me, at least. but i am definitely a latecomer on this.
― alpine static, Monday, 24 May 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link
i still love those two together idc.
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Monday, 24 May 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link
i switched from Bill to Ryen awhile ago due to overexposure to Bill's personality and friends. a real facebook to instagram move, sticking it to nobody. when I think about the total time spent listening to Bill talk to his Dad on the phone about Tatum settling for too many jump shots or hearing Joe House say anything, it makes me ill.
― NFT of snare on "The King of Wishful Thinking" (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 24 May 2021 22:05 (two years ago) link
i never listen to anything with house on
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Monday, 24 May 2021 22:17 (two years ago) link
― alpine static, Monday, May 24, 2021 5:46 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
it's a weird dynamic since i don't think bill always realizes that russillo is going to react honestly to what he's saying. it serves to expose how bad bill has gotten over the past year. today he said with sincerity that the celtics should play pritchard over walker. russillo just hit it with a brick wall "no" and then bill starting backtracking to oh well they should at least split time.
i used to be able to see where bill was coming from with nba takes even if i didn't agree but he's just gone off a cliff. i wonder if not going to a work environment and probably only talking to his dad and house and occasionally his cohosts has made some of his dumber tendencies shine through.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 00:32 (two years ago) link
Bill is even doing the whole "ask a leading question about something ridiculous that i believe" and after he gets a hard "no" from Ryen he's like "yeah, me neither"
it's like 25% sweet and 75% embarrassing
― alpine static, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 04:26 (two years ago) link
Ryen and I share some friends and stories about him are bizarre yet endearing. I know there’s some issues (e.g. the breaking and entering thing) but I like him and love that he’s finding some success. He knows a lot about balling without coming across as an asshole so he’s a perfect foil for Simmons.
― Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 30 May 2021 21:18 (two years ago) link
Bill Simmons: and uh they have garv-garvilo Ryen Russilo: Gavrilo BS: Gavriol Prin-RR: Gavrilo PrincipBS: Right...so i like him a lot as an irrational confidence guyRR: sure— Handsome B. Charming (@Richard57941301) November 16, 2021
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 21:01 (two years ago) link
hahah
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link
“When I was in the first grade, I thought that I was Black.” - Bill Simmons pic.twitter.com/cJUFOuT8Ya— Real Hooper Pilled Trill (@TrillBroDude) January 22, 2022
― lag∞n, Saturday, 22 January 2022 17:19 (two years ago) link
idk if that's particularly unusual but I sure as hell would never tell anyone about that
― frogbs, Saturday, 22 January 2022 17:34 (two years ago) link
Jeez, at first I thought that was a recent quote and not from his book that was published twelve years ago.
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 22 January 2022 17:59 (two years ago) link
from a recent podcast:
Bill: "I tried to figure out who was the best 2 guard for every year since Bill Russell came into the league."
Ryen (noticeably appalled): "What is wrong with you?"
Bill: "I don't know. It didn't take that long."
Ryen: "OK, go through all 50."
― alpine static, Thursday, 7 April 2022 07:50 (two years ago) link
lol. pretty amazing how bill made such a lucrative career out of just transcribing the stupid bar debates that go on in his head (and now as podcaster he doesn't even have to transcribe them!)
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 7 April 2022 13:06 (two years ago) link
was his stated premise from the beginning, can only tip your cap
― lag∞n, Thursday, 7 April 2022 13:39 (two years ago) link
Madone!!!! pic.twitter.com/hKiNGZ9Vsf— Sigur Ross Geller (@killakow) April 27, 2022
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 23:32 (one year ago) link
pic.twitter.com/oqNMTQX0dD— Subscribe to the You Know Ball Patreon (@TrillBroDude) November 17, 2022
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Thursday, 17 November 2022 16:12 (one year ago) link
insight
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 November 2022 17:53 (one year ago) link
hes not wrong
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 November 2022 18:33 (one year ago) link
Great to have you back Bill, but could you please try something different next time?
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 3 February 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link
the trade value column is a real throwback. im three entries in and he's already referenced tom sizemore and heat and compared rudy gobert's trade to a buddy buying an expensive pool table
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 February 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link
he's really tiresome
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 February 2023 19:33 (one year ago) link
annoying columnist was a more preferable role for him than annoying podcaster imo
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 February 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link
I like listening to The Rewatchables on walks from time to time. I know a lot of podcasts fall under "middle-aged white guys sitting around shooting the shit," but this one works for me.
― made a mint from mmm mmm mmm mmm (Eazy), Friday, 3 February 2023 19:44 (one year ago) link
bill's dad was genuinely good on the game 7 post-game pod...
they also had an interesting note in there about watching butler at halftime make a bunch of threes in a row from the right wing & then the heat running the play to start the third q that got him the open pull up three from that spot (which he made). the simmons family doing a better job than TNT's sideline reporters
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 May 2023 17:22 (ten months ago) link
pic.twitter.com/efKQF6s7Az— conspicuous leisure (@Inspectah8) May 30, 2023
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 June 2023 17:37 (ten months ago) link
never gonna feel bad for a fanbase that's gotten to experience 3 full lifetimes of unforgettable sports moments in a single decade but still what a brutal way to go out
― frogbs, Thursday, 1 June 2023 17:46 (ten months ago) link
idk it wasnt that bad, watching the games was kinda bad lol, getting swept wouldve been bad but they fought back and just didnt have enough in the tank
― lag∞n, Thursday, 1 June 2023 22:05 (ten months ago) link
bad JB series and an injured brogdon was all she wrote. and they still made it interesting despite that.
― Spottie, Thursday, 1 June 2023 22:16 (ten months ago) link
some crazy shooting from the heat too
― lag∞n, Thursday, 1 June 2023 22:18 (ten months ago) link
yeah didnt feel any worse than the 2020 one
― ciderpress, Thursday, 1 June 2023 22:23 (ten months ago) link
celtics got one of the all-time ridiculous buzzer beaters
― symsymsym, Friday, 2 June 2023 03:54 (ten months ago) link
https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-grifters-bill-simmons-1235647643/amp/
how did you guys not tell me about this!
― k3vin k., Saturday, 1 July 2023 22:19 (nine months ago) link
tbf, ofc prince harry & his duchess are on the make. they have an expensive lifestyle and harry has no visible skills or talents to sell to support that. meghan could probably get back into acting, but she didn't sign up to support her wastrel husband.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 1 July 2023 22:24 (nine months ago) link
bill simmons is absolutely right and it's funny as hell
― mookieproof, Saturday, 1 July 2023 22:29 (nine months ago) link
lol get em
― lag∞n, Saturday, 1 July 2023 22:32 (nine months ago) link
i did crack up at this when i heard it but never occurred to me it would make the news, which is my blind spot i suppose
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 July 2023 22:43 (nine months ago) link
its really on bill/spotify for not just having them do a show complaining about the royals
― lag∞n, Saturday, 1 July 2023 22:51 (nine months ago) link
“you live in fucking montecito” lol
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 July 2023 22:57 (nine months ago) link
lol, i didn't realize bill had personally dealt with them, jeez
― circles, Sunday, 2 July 2023 14:24 (nine months ago) link
i’m completely baffled as to why he thinks this is a unique opinion……. not sure if it’s in this clip but he says on the podcast that he and rusillo and “5 others” believe that scoot is going to be a star
Scoot Henderson is gonna be a star — this is happening. Don’t say Russillo and I didn’t try to warn you. pic.twitter.com/5zbfFw15dn— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) July 10, 2023
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 July 2023 05:41 (nine months ago) link
very brave of bill to say this
― Clay, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 06:33 (nine months ago) link
scoot fell one spot in the draft no one believed in him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 11:42 (nine months ago) link
"fuckin carries himself like an alpha" lol cant believe you guys listen to this shit
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 12:03 (nine months ago) link
shd also be mentioned the "scoot can get by anyone" is far from a settled fact and wasnt even true in the game bill is freaking out over, he took a bunch of short pullups
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 12:06 (nine months ago) link
he had one halfcourt layup and even that was boarderline transition, could see him being one of those good all around guys who never quite puts it together efficiencywise, a lot depends as it does in the nba on "how good can he shoot"
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 12:12 (nine months ago) link
i didn’t get to see the scoot game but the way he’s describing him is something you’d typically hear about a player who is closer to being maxed out physically than one with limitless potential
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 July 2023 13:40 (nine months ago) link
yeah def a guy whos more physically mature than his peers, and is also just a beast
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 13:56 (nine months ago) link
Scoot seems like a fun and charismatic dude. He may have more "star power" than, say, Lillard, who is great at hooping but pretty boring off the court.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 18:34 (nine months ago) link
that bill dialog on scoot was hilarious, dude is yelling at no one.
― nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 18:36 (nine months ago) link
inventing a guy to be smarter at basketball than
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 18:49 (nine months ago) link
look no one is saying this! I’m the only guy! but based on 11 minutes of summer league mark my words the guy who was the consensus one pick if 7’4 kd didn’t exist — he’s gonna be a huge star and nobody knows it
― Clay, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 18:54 (nine months ago) link
bill is the king of pretending like he alone thinks a well regarded player is really good (evan mobley is the previous version of this) but the scoot stuff is particularly absurd given that he was by any measure one of the most hyped prospects in years
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 July 2023 19:13 (nine months ago) link
he compared dude to prime russ, rose and cp lmao.
― nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 19:37 (nine months ago) link
well he's far from the only one to compare scoot to russ and rose. but that's kinda the point
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 July 2023 19:40 (nine months ago) link
This election is going to be the most unpleasant of our lifetimes. It’s impossible to think what could possibly make it wor— pic.twitter.com/diSuJLK4zh— Isaac Chotiner (@IChotiner) August 15, 2023
― k3vin k., Thursday, 17 August 2023 22:13 (eight months ago) link
jesus
― lag∞n, Friday, 18 August 2023 00:27 (eight months ago) link
this one was funnyhttps://x.com/billsimmons/status/1691930025648369827?s=46&t=delhXlmZBYazm252j4iaFA
― J0rdan S., Friday, 18 August 2023 01:09 (eight months ago) link
prob what happened more or less
― lag∞n, Friday, 18 August 2023 01:11 (eight months ago) link
yeah it seems fairly obvious (and predictable!) how it went down
― Clay, Friday, 18 August 2023 01:17 (eight months ago) link
yeah it's all reasonable my only note is that if philly *did* promise a wink wink deal a lot of these things could be seen as harden's camp (awkwardly ) keeping the pressure on to make that happen. i don't think it's like one or the other.
the one no-doubt thing is that he assumed he had a houston backtop option as leverage until he didn't.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 18 August 2023 01:29 (eight months ago) link
I have a physical revulsion to this word and can’t wrap my head around how or why anyone would use it 5 million times in an article let alone write “let us not pretend the word doesn’t rule.” Wtf. I’m sure Bill personally had nothing to do with this Ringer abomination but not sure where else to put this. Is there a thread about the mainstreaming of 4chan incel culture or some shit?
The Official Taxonomy of Cinematic Cucks Cuck cinema is having a mainstream moment. Song and her husband, Justin Kuritzkes, have independently written (and in Song’s case, directed) two films centered almost exclusively on the act of cucking. That’s the aforementioned Past Lives, in which Greta Lee cucks John Magaro until they hug it out, and the upcoming Challengers, in which Zendaya appears to cuck Josh O’Connor and/or Mike Faist. (Side note: After being set for a September 15 release date, Challengers has now been postponed to 2024, no doubt for fear of an excess of Hollywood cucking.)Sure, “cuck” has had a long and winding journey to its current moment in the cinematic spotlight, from Geoffrey Chaucer’s use of “cuckold” to cuck’s place as the insult du jour of myriad far-right trolls. But let us not pretend that the word “cuck” itself, with its monosyllabic brevity and hard consonant punch, doesn’t rule. Let us also not pretend that during the last several years, it has not become (for better or worse) something far more universal, its definition stretching from “insult for a man whose wife is cheating on him” to a sort of catchall for any spineless or subservient specimen.
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Sunday, 3 September 2023 13:25 (seven months ago) link
thats some very bad writing wow
― lag∞n, Sunday, 3 September 2023 21:00 (seven months ago) link
i get why this is the case w/ CEO bill and all, but there's something funny that happens not infrequently on his podcast where he will have one of his employees on and will be like "so have you paid attention to [team] at all this year?" and the guy will reply "yeah you know i actually went down to training camp last month for 5 days for an article on the ringer, and"
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 1 December 2023 21:37 (four months ago) link
you get the sense he may not be the world's greatest boss
― symsymsym, Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:21 (four months ago) link
idk his main people have worked for him for years, i think you can make a lot of criticisms more accurate than that.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:30 (four months ago) link
yeah say what you want about him, and god knows one day something terrible might come out, but all indications point to him being a pretty good boss I think!
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:54 (four months ago) link
im ready to release some terrible info about him
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:01 (four months ago) link
hes a podcaster
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:02 (four months ago) link
iirc there was something where some lesser ringer staffers had their podcasts taken away and he told them they just didnt have the capacity to produce everything and he gave his teenage daughter a podcast at the same time
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:04 (four months ago) link
Yet somehow Verrier remains.
― Jeff, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:24 (four months ago) link
i now make active effort to avoid content from the ringer dot com
― polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:25 (four months ago) link
their stuff is so bad, pure slop
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:30 (four months ago) link
they employ kevin oconnor
yeah we all agree koc sucks, but they have some other writers who are good
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:39 (four months ago) link
they all have the residual stink of bill simmons tho
― polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:40 (four months ago) link
feel like every time i encounter something by them its notably unserious but at the same time not entertaining
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:42 (four months ago) link
i leave neither edified nor amused
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:43 (four months ago) link
both teams end up neither edified or amused, who says no?
― Clay, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:43 (four months ago) link
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 16:39 (four months ago) link
depends what you mean by "good boss" because I think there's a Peter Principle thing going on with him, he's a good writer (or at least one that can command a large audience) and I think he knows what sports bros want to see but I don't know how good he is at actually running things
iirc most of the Grantland writers said he was a good dude to work for
― frogbs, Saturday, 2 December 2023 17:18 (four months ago) link
I think he knows what sports bros want to see but I don't know how good he is at actually running things
― frogbs, Saturday, December 2, 2023 12:18 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
pretty common scenario of someone with vision whos not necessarily expert at the day to day stuff, usually when you see a someone like that build a successful business someone else is just doing the operations things
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 17:25 (four months ago) link
lol didn't mean much by it, just seems like he'd be an annoying personality type. the one thing that I've noticed is that whenever any writers leave the ringer he never acknowledges their departure or existence
― symsymsym, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:23 (four months ago) link
i'm sure there are worse bosses out there
― symsymsym, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:25 (four months ago) link
he is annoying tbf
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:25 (four months ago) link
my post wasn't to allege that bill is a bad boss, just that it's funny when he has his writers on his podcast and reveals that he doesn't know what they're publishing, even though that is a fairly standard dynamic at a place w/ as many editorial layers as the ringer. it's just that most places like the ringer don't have a hugely popular podcast where its founder speaks frequently w/ his writers
that being said i know enough ppl that have worked for him to say definitively that whether he is a bad boss or a good boss depends on who you are talking to. there is a core group of people who have been w/ him for ages, there are also people who have found working for him untenable and have parted on bad terms. this is prob a fairly common dynamic among bosses.
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:32 (four months ago) link
why do the untenable people find it untenable
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:35 (four months ago) link
i don't think you have to know anyone behind the scenes to say that bill can be petty and vindictive. he deals w/ conflict in a way that can feel righteous when his opponent is ESPN and disney -- it's far more problematic when he is managing employees. i know that when the ringer union was forming, some people who were very active & vocal in the union drive felt that he was doing stuff like no longer tweeting out links to their stories from his personal account etc. boss fighting union is not exactly a breaking news story but there were some ppl there who felt like he was taking it to a more personal level
there's also just stuff like, the ringer having very few black people on staff, bill being confronted about this by his staff, and then his response being to hire ppl like raja bell and cc sabathia to host podcasts. like...
Above all, the four former employees said, it was difficult for black staff members to win more responsibility and visibility at the company — especially since late 2017, when company leaders appeared to make podcasting a priority. At that point, they said, top editors started claiming shows for themselves.The outlet’s popular R3w4tch4bl3s podcast, in which staff members revisit old movies, led by Mr. Simmons, allowed for a variety of guests when it started. By the spring of 2018, the ensemble approach faded as the show came to rely more on Mr. Simmons along with S34n F3nn3ss3y and Chr1s Ry4n, both founding editors who are white.“The Rewatchables was pitched as, ‘Let’s get the rest of you participating in podcasts,’” Mr. Collins said. “It very quickly became Sean, Bill and Chris.”Mr. Simmons said by email that the company needed to spotlight its best podcasters. “It’s a business,” he said. “This isn’t Open Mic Night.”
The outlet’s popular R3w4tch4bl3s podcast, in which staff members revisit old movies, led by Mr. Simmons, allowed for a variety of guests when it started. By the spring of 2018, the ensemble approach faded as the show came to rely more on Mr. Simmons along with S34n F3nn3ss3y and Chr1s Ry4n, both founding editors who are white.
“The Rewatchables was pitched as, ‘Let’s get the rest of you participating in podcasts,’” Mr. Collins said. “It very quickly became Sean, Bill and Chris.”
Mr. Simmons said by email that the company needed to spotlight its best podcasters. “It’s a business,” he said. “This isn’t Open Mic Night.”
responding to concerns by your (at the time) handful of black employees that there wasn't enough room for advancement by saying, to the new york times, that you aren't hosting an open mic night is a style of management that, um, isn't going to work for everyone. again this is the kinda thing that works when you're the david, not the goliath. but i think he always sees himself as the former despite having been the latter for quite some time.
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:52 (four months ago) link
good post thank you
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:54 (four months ago) link