2017_____N–B–A–S–T–A–T–S_____2018

Stanley Johnson 0-13

in 40 minutes

whiteside 26-22 but most impressive... he hit his first career 3 and on his first NBA 3 attempt.

dennis smith jr is the real deal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWMZsGkKGIc

he dropped like 5 spots cause his college team had drama lol

The pace in last night's Nets/Pacers game (116.5) was the highest the NBA has seen since April 16, 2008.

— Michael Pina (@MichaelVPina) October 19, 2017

nice

r the pacers gonna be fun this year?

wld be a nice surprise, im a bigtime myles turner believer, the rest of their roster ehhhh, tho i guess sabonis and leaf both have some potential

not trading pg to the celtics for one million draft picks then trading him for nothing months later and losing a good gm in the process is an alltime management fuck up

yeah that was brutal.

i still believe there were more details to the potential celtics trade than was reported

russ took the third most shots for the thunder tonight, guessing that happened zero times last year, he also had 16 assists 10 rebounds and 21 points on 12 shots

And only one 3pt attempt!

if he makes it a point to prove hes not just a stat hunting hun this season it cld work out p good for the thunder

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMlSdZIUEAAV_Ky.jpg

terry rozier is the second best player in the nba

Zo with the near trip dub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Gd8VbJTzs

brow 35-17-5
boogie 35-14-5

lonzo 29-11-9 last night

Simmons 21-12-10

gonna go ahead and program a bot that posts giannis' line every night

32-14-6-2-1 tonight

good call

Through four games, Giannis Antetokounmpo has taken 71 shots in the paint and 17 outside of it (5-of-17).

— Kurt Helin (@basketballtalk) October 24, 2017

weve not seen a guy like this before

hes got the shot chart of shaq but the way he gets those shot is very different

still think he shd consider learning to shoot tho

wasnt young wade like this?

he had a midrange game its the 3 hes always struggled with

anyway giannis got to be aiming higher than young wade status, if he can shoot hes looking at realistic goat potential

why shoot when you can take a one dribble eurostep from the same spot for a layup?

heh theres def an argument to be made that shooting from closer is better

giannis playing on a damn nerf hoop on the bedroom door

ha yes.

-thinking emoji-

POINTS SCORED THIS SEASON:

Victor Oladipo: 91
Paul George: 64

— Miller Time Podcast (@MillerTimePod) October 25, 2017

paul george fouled out in 19mins v the pacers

hot take Paul George is actually bad

ive always said that

Biggest increase in usage rate (min. 1,000 minutes last season, 75 this season)
1. Clarkson
2. E.Gordon
3. Oladipo
4. Nance Jr.
5. Porzingis

— John Schuhmann (@johnschuhmann) October 26, 2017

Biggest decrease in usage rate (min. 1,000 minutes last season, 75 this season)
1. Westbrook
2. Wade
3. W.Chandler
4. P.Mills
5. Saric

— John Schuhmann (@johnschuhmann) October 26, 2017

whats going on w Saric why arent they playing him

prob just having his minutes eaten by simmons

touches rather

simmons and embiid

boogie 41-23-6 in revenge on the kings

jayson tatum 14-7-2-1-1 48/43/86 in 33m/g through 5 games 19 y/o

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/4065648.png

: )

😁

jaylen brown 17-6-1-0-1 44/36/53 in 34m/g through 5 games 21 y/o (as of 3 days ago, happy birthday jaylen!)

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3917376.png

them boys are ballin

they are def "being guys"

tatum thriving in the chaos of this celtics early season is borderline miraculous

i thought "guy" had a negative connotation, like a whatever player who is easily replaceable

"They are young guys but, to us, with the situation we're in, they're guys," Stevens said. "Like, we need them to be guys."

haha oh i hadn't seen that quote, i swear some GM used it in the way i mentioned in the past couple of years tho

its a flexible term

there are JAGs and there are Guys. there are also Young Guys sometimes. that's how i break it down to an extent.

yeah i think i was thinking of "just a guy"

replacement level guy

the boogman 29-12-10 w/ 3 steals

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNT5mwnU8AA0PE6.jpg

boogie is the best player now, doesnt seem too long ago ppl on this board were asking if he was good or not

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNVjsMMUEAEUUwN.jpg

Blazers vs. Raptors, was tied at 29-29 at end of the 1st quarter. Then the Blazers scored only 6 points in the 2nd quarter!

After Monday's win, the Celtics now have the top defensive rating (95.6) in the NBA.

— Brian Robb (@BrianTRobb) October 31, 2017

seems like brad is a good coach just my take

cld be

Seems as if kyrie was carrying Bron all these years

lebron james, classic second banana

The Phoenix Suns "7 Seconds or Less" '04-'05 team, which led the NBA in pace, would rank 25th this season.

— Kevin Arnovitz (@kevinarnovitz) November 1, 2017

DeMarcus Cousins (5.9) is averaging more assists than Kyrie Irving (5.7) & more 3-point attempts (7.3) than Kevin Durant (6.4)

— Jim Petersen (@JimPeteHoops) November 1, 2017

crazy to both

demarcus 10th in usage, kyrie 35th, kd 44th

fair

TJ warren 40-10

Harden shot 17 threes tonight. seems like a lot.

Middleton 43-5-7

jokic with the rebounds-assists double-double 2nite

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNvQ8n_UMAA6UHD.jpg

bron 57-11-7-2-3 43 minutes nov 3

hey you gotta make a point against a team that couldn't make the ecf

57/11/7/3/2 in 43 minutes for LeBron. pic.twitter.com/kurhvohWLL

— Nate Duncan (@NateDuncanNBA) November 4, 2017

16 shots at the rim jfc

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21279476/nba-lebron-puts-never-seen-show

it was pretty cool

I've been working quite a bit on my turnarounds and my fadeaways and my footwork, things of that nature

lol kiu

harden 56-13ast 19/25 7/8 11/12

zinger 40-8-6blk 24fga

http://bkref.com/tiny/tf9qX

it's too bad he played at all in the 4th

yeah just added 3 misses

Klays 60 in less than 30 mins was still better #HomerOpinion

37 in a quarter was def better

wellll that was actually a different game. but that one was def better as well. think he ended up with like 52 that game.

um i knew it was a dif game actually

truth be told the implication was that you indeed did not know

all reasonable parties understand the implication of my tweet was that im more impressed with the 37 point quarter than the 60 point game

thanks for confirming that both are better than the harden 56 game.

im willing to accept this compromise

Donovan Mitchell was 3/21 tonight
http://bkref.com/tiny/PKquv
Was scanning that list and caught Maggette's name and immediately thought (i bet he still dropped 20 tho)... scanned over... almost (19)

Lonzo Ball this season:

39-132 FG (29.5%)
12-52 3FG (23.1%)
7-13 FT (53.8%)

honestly, not great

the new 29/23/54 club

meanwhile jayson tatum, who was taken one spot after lonzo ball

51-102 FG (50%)
18-34 3FG (53%) !
37-45 FT (82%)

but does jayson tatum bring with him a megalomaniacal bacterial infection of a father

harden dropped 35-12-13 on lebron et al

Most shocking early-season league leader: Kent Bazemore has four technical fouls, alone atop the NBA.

— Fred Katz (@FredKatz) November 11, 2017

Per @bball_ref, Lonzo Ball is just the 16th player since 1983-84 with a triple-double plus at least three steals and blocks. It's a fascinating list: https://t.co/VZI3iBGNzs

— Kevin Pelton (@kpelton) November 12, 2017

f u pay me

In the final game before he is eligible to sign his renegotiation-and-extension on Wednesday, Robert Covington finished with 31 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, the go-ahead three-pointer, and game-clinching four free throws in a Sixers win.

— Garrett Catalana (@GarrettCatalana) November 14, 2017

both 538 and espns computer rankings really like okc

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-nba-predictions/

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/Basketball-Power-Index/espn-nba-basketball-power-index

i guess they do have a good point differential and have prob played a tough sched

pelton says the celtics are a 55 win team, which interestingly is about what most ppl had them at before the season and hayward going down http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21405860/can-boston-celtics-possibly-keep-their-remarkable-start

one interesting thing about the celtics though is they only returned one starter from last year and have played 6 rookies which might lead one to believe that while they are due for some regression they may also improve over the course of the season more than say a more settled team typically would

theres also the wildcard of hayward returning

anyway 55 wins does seem p reasonable lol

embiid 46-7-15, 7 swats, 14-20 fgs, 34 minutes

all hail

http://bkref.com/tiny/2oXDz

wow

that hakeem trip dub game

*QUAD DUB GAME

Low hanging fruit but I️ lold

@975Mornings Embiid has scored 78 pts at the Staples Center this year. Lonzo Ball has scored 52 pts at the Staples Center this year.

— Bill (@W_AnthonyIV) November 16, 2017

lol brutal

hakeem an assist away from another quad dub. had to settle for the 5x5.

i have a vague memory that that game was originally scored a quad dub then they took an assist away from him the next day

25-20 and 4 blocks for dwight

kyrie last 2 games combined 77pts on 34fga

jaylen over the same span 49pts on 26fga

the celtics are v v good

they wld be even better if they cld figure out how not to fall behind by 16 every single game

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPKjHtlWkAIxmtP.jpg:large

those early oughts jim obrian celtics teams were ahead of their hoisting time

don nelson was the real genius

visionary def

2012 nuggs were so fun

very cool graphic

jordan bell 7-6-4-2-6 in 25 minutes starting for draymond

Bulls are now 30th in offensive rating and 29th in defensive rating

— Jason Patt (@Bulls_Jay) November 25, 2017

worst shooters w at least 100 attempts

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPl1bnuXcAAfQ1K.jpg:large

marcus, truly in a class of his own

man steph is nowhere near the 40/50/90 club this year, im disgusted

37% from 3, nice job shooting league average mr greatest shooter ever

none of the big three can even be said to be flirting with the 40/50/90 club smh

steph does this every year

stpeh needs to shape up!!

his FTAs are career high atm

its really kinda awful how theyre beating teams effortlessly while all shooting worse than normal

...and sitting people basically every night, also trying to balance 15 players that should all be getting burn.

no KD, SC or AI tonight vs the kings btw

lol thats rude

heh oops

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPuYTMSUQAA72nt.jpg

*circles bulls logo, jabs it with pen*

the bulls are more bad than the warriors are good

if the wolves cld find a way to play average defense........

the teams in the bottom right quadrant are in some ways the saddest

fire jason kidd

http://bkref.com/tiny/uh9Nh

A Gordon

40-15-4-4-1 plus only 1 TO

W over OKC

damn

wow ben simmons line is really something

31-18-4-2-2

15-29 FTs

that's an old shaq line

hacka simm

there's too many exciting young guys in the league i just can't handle it

seems like it was wise to trust the process

that game had a weird ass box score in general. none of washington's starters played more than 25 min.

Bringram

32-5-3-3-2

Ingram gonna be a probleeem

— CJ McCollum (@CJMcCollum) November 30, 2017

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP6ZkslVoAAGTyA.jpg:large

Lebron's averaging 28-8-8 on 58/42/76

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQBAwAiVwAE0_1P.jpg

one of these things is not like the other

harden may beat out curry this year for most 3pm. hes shooting 11 a game at around 40% and curry 9 a game at sub 40%.

harden is cruising to the mvp so far

lebron has a case

true but if it ends up being close the voters will prob want to give it to james its his turn

devin booker averaging 54 over his last two games in boston

lol

if the bucks record was better i'd have him up there w harden and lbj. but of course we're only liike 1/4 of the way through the season, plenty of shifts to happen ahead.

giannis is worthy def but they never give it to a guy in his first year of mvp level play unless youre derrick rose and you never even had a season of mvp level play

lebron fatigue was real

lol they were so pissed about the decision which tbf was an extremely poor tv show

it was really bad but also awesome

it was very goofy and odd as was the miami press conference with the explosions everyone involved lost their mind for a minute lol dan gilbert wrote the comic sans letter

it was a beautiful time

the playbook for leaving a city was long established you take out a full page ad in the local paper humbly thanking the fans for their support then lay low for a while but in this case everyone decided to see what would happen if they did exactly the opposite

the concert was truly hilarious. so awkward.

i guess at this point it's looked at as kind of a bad thing for lebron but when they write the history of this period of the nba (huge growth, massive success) it's going to be like *the* moment.

yeah it also made him a love-him-or-hate-him villain which the NBA needed since kobe was declining

ha yeah now that i think abt it it def hurt brons image but was also the moment the nba became drama central ie made for these times

kobe wishes he had the same level of impact among the general public but he never even came close.

hmmm not so sure about that

yeah kobe was pretty legendary def the one nba player a lot of ppl cld name but his era was also one where the nba was a lil less aligned with the zeitgeist

if he had ever changed teams maybe he would have but even kobe/shaq was sort of limited to nba fans....i'm saying like regular f'n civilians had thoughts on bron going to the heat.

bron aspired to become a global icon but it never quite materialized on that jordan level where he was a straight up celebrity everyone knows him but hes still kinda just lebron the insanely good basketball player

lebron is def famous amongst racist men of late middle age for not doing things the right way, kobes constituency was more young guys who pair basketball jerseys with wrap around shades

xp that might just be like a decline of the monoculture thing, he had a significant role in that amy schumer movie; he's been outspoken w/politics....idk how any player could be more visible these days.

jordan just had it

true he did just want it more. i don't think bron can compartmentalize like jordan.

like even for years after his peak if u traveled outside of america and told people where you were from theyd be all oh michael jordan, off the charts charisma on that guy

kobe was massive everyone had an opinion on kobe

everyone who liked basketball had an opinion on kobe

everyone else....idk

the rape case was a huge deal

yeah kobe def broke through into the greater consciousness tho it was pre social media so pretty different

when he took brandy to prom it was like national news

that was b/c of brandy not kobe!

did lebron ever drop 8 bars on a brian mcknight track? i think not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiMLtKIq0yA

kobes rap career is low key one of the funniest nba things

iverson coming out like a lesser mobb deep crew member and being grounded by david stern then kobe featuring with brain mcknight and.... tyra banks is the prefect portrait of an era

great times

lol kobe is such a turd

kobes constituency was more young guys who pair basketball jerseys with wrap around shades

god this evokes the mid aughts abt as much as any image possibly good

I just started laughing thinking about the decision and lebron shirt and his weirdly round beard and the crazy not five not six not seven pep rally and the freaking espn HEAT INDEX or w/e it was and just what a wild time

s/o to the heat index

some rookie for the jazz scored 41pts a couple days ago

Since Chris Paul returned, the Rockets are 7-0, outscoring opponents by 151 total points — 21.6 per game

— Shane Young (@YoungNBA) December 4, 2017

thats a lot

46-8-1-2-1

Devin Booker

hes gonna score so many points in the nba

he'd be the goat if he could play vs your boys every game

he enjoys playing in the famous boston garden

well jason tatum scored 17 points on 6 shots tonight

gainnis dropped another 40 burger.

love it when the NBA guys do stuff

Dwyane Wade is averaging 1 block per game. seems kinda crazy to me.

looked it up and the only other player 6'4" or below, aged 30+ to average 1 block per game is... dwyane wade in his age 30 season.

best shot blocking guard ever

51 pts from Beal vs the Blazers.

rude

that's a lot of points, what a showboat

Stephen Curry this season:

• 2PT: 109/188 — 58%, career-high
• 3PT: 83/218 — 38.1%
• FT: 139/149 — 93.3%
• TS%: 64.3% — 2nd highest in career
• Turnover %: 12.4% — career-best
• Net Rating: +16.6

• PER: 27.3 — 5th in NBA
• WS/48: .280 — 2nd
• RPM: +6.98 — 2nd

— Shane Young (@YoungNBA) December 5, 2017

Boog

40-22-4-0-4

and a weird one vs the dubs a couple nights back in the ejection game

19-11-7-5-3 and a -32 in 32 minutes

Blocks (Total)

1. Warriors (219)
2. Spurs (155)

dubs got a lot of long arms and live legs

david west is a swatting machine this year. he's averaging 1.2 block in 12 minutes per game. He's only averaged more than 1 per game one year in his career (ten years ago) and obv in a lot more minutes.

thats insane

hes old

Ha speaking of dubs blocks, season high 15 tonight, 27 blocks the last two games. tonight KD w 5 dray w 6.

It seems like half of West's blocks this year have been flat-footed, too. Like one he had on Boban tonight. He's strong enough to hold his ground against bigger dudes to put himself in perfect position to swat.

Totally, he’s just hella smart

http://bkref.com/tiny/aoJXl

russ 7/29 from the field

timmy being on that list is p crazy

ha yeah thought the same thing

pretty shocked there arent more of those games

how is AI and/or kobe not on there

the semi-mythical era when keith van horn could get off 30 shots

ha that was one of duncan's mvp years, too. he still had 17 rbs and 4 blocks that game, soe that's cool

According to @SecondSpectrum, Ryan Anderson has an effective FG pct of 113%(!!) off passes from Chris Paul.

24-31 including an outrageous 22-29 from beyond the 3-pt line.

Effectively breaking effective FG pct has to be in @dmorey's contracts, right?

— Micah Adams (@MicahAdams13) December 10, 2017

p good %

Oladipo new career high vs the nuggets

47-7-6

15/28 fg, 6/12 3pt

dipo keeps on doin it maybe hes actually good

Dipo vs Russ this week might be a must watch game.

im so happy for oladipo, come back home to indiana and now he's an all-star

also it must feel great to not be russ' teammate, ngl

That list upthread made me remember that Jerry Stackhouse averaged 30 PPG in one actual full season.

ha no shit! two-time all star. turn of the century NBA was a trip.

also it is weird that no other season came close to that one too!

also also he fell off CRAZY hard after that.

stackhouses game was the nadir of the nbas insanely physical chucking era, the shadow iverson

Loved how he squatted all the way down to shoot free throws

D rebound rate on FTs (which are mostly freebies) for the top 10 rebounding guards:
Russ - 39.5%
Ball - 20%
Lowry - 3.7%
Oladipo - 2.3%
Lillard - 3.7%
Caldwell-Pope - 5.4%
Curry - 2.6%
Harden - 17.9%
Dunn - 3.4%
DeRozen - 11.4%

— Kyle Chilek (@K_Chile22) December 10, 2017

wow, investigate this adam silver

a little further in the comments someone mentions that Russ was at like 61% last year (Harden was 40%).

thunder have a formation to get russ those rebounds, kyrie stole one that he totally wldnt have been able to if they werent funneling it to russ and got a crucial basket in the last 5mins of the celtics big comeback v okc earlier this year

throw an asterisk on his mvp imo

2017 MVP Russell Westbrook*

*hella stat-chasing while he team was mad mediocre

i give him credit for innovating but after you do it once the trick is played out, especially if yr team is a tragedy

yeah, it was different alst year bc of whole post-kd empathy but now it's like, ok you're loaded with all-stars, you shouldnt suck worse but u do and also all your old teammates are thriving w/o u

actually i am fine w/ all events that led to hoodie melo

thunder shd be looking to trade melo wonder if the rockets still want him

maybe they can trick them into trading harden, just by accidentally pushing some buttons bc they were distracted on twitter or something, like just traded harden for melo str8 up with my nba 2k11 simulation oh woops that's real life no take backs biiiiiiiiiih

ha wld be fitting since okc already did that too

Harden had 26 points, 17 assists and 6 steals tonight. The last player to do that? pic.twitter.com/txcC0AhpvI

— Kelly Scaletta (@KellyScaletta) December 12, 2017

Victor Oladipo's shot chart this season (L, 31.0 USG%, 59.7 TS%) and last season (R, 21.3 USG%. 53.4 TS%). Making 44.4% of his 3s this year has helped just a bit. pic.twitter.com/6nb39Yq16y

— Michael Gallagher (@MikeSGallagher) December 12, 2017

david west is a swatting machine this year. he's averaging 1.2 block in 12 minutes per game. He's only averaged more than 1 per game one year in his career (ten years ago) and obv in a lot more minutes.

― Spottie, Friday, December 8, 2017 7:08 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thats insane

― lag∞n, Friday, December 8, 2017 7:22 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hes old

― lag∞n, Friday, December 8, 2017 7:22 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

10-2-1-1-4 in 18 minutes yesterday and two big dunks. He's def a Juiceman candidate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0p43jytFg

xp i hope Dipo can sustain this or close to it.

3pt% up a ton 3pt attempts up a bit, 2pt% up a bit 2pt attempts up a ton, getting all those attempts at the rim is prob the most heartening part of that graft as far as sustainability, ive been a dipo doubter since jump street but its cool to see him succeed

looks like he just needed a good example of how to work hard, he credits westbrook with showing him how to prepare and work out and such. he cut up his body in the offseason and it's paying off.

ah yeah that makes sense getting super fit def can level guys up

Donovan Mitchell the last 6 games:
34.5MIN
25.8PTS
3.7 AST
2.2 REB
1.7 STL
48.2% FG
44.2% 3FG (on almost 9 attempts)

— BBALLBREAKDOWN (@bballbreakdown) December 12, 2017

That guy is real nice, would not be surprised if he turned into an eventual all star. What a good draft

Asterisks on the first two picks so far excepted obv

mitchell is gonna be an animal attacking off the dribble. he's real impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnxjX1E-d_o

hes a slightly old rookie, only the second non freshman taken, but a guy who can come in a do this a couple months into the season falling to the bottom of the lottery is pretty wild, guess thats the draft 4 u

the zach collins and luke kennard picks are looking really really bad aren't they

yuuup everyone was mystified by collins going there at the time tbf, it was understood that we had grown beyond awarding guys fora couple good tourney games

weirder still blazers packaged two lower picks they could have used on Collins to trade up to take him, truly boggling still

pelton was a big collins guy predraft:

5. Zach Collins

Gonzaga
Center
Big Board: No. 9
Stats: No. 5

Consensus: 2.1 WARP

Despite coming off the bench on a deep, experienced Gonzaga team that lost in the national championship game, Collins rated as the best Zag on a per-minute basis.

He's a high-percentage finisher with good touch at the free throw line. The limited need for traditional bigs hurts Collins, but he's skilled enough that he might be able to play both frontcourt spots in the pros.

kennard over mitchell was plainly stupid at the time

he will probably never be as good as mitchell is rn

no

at best he'll be like.... jodie meeks? idk. his scoring was so effortful at duke that i couldn't believe people (like on TV) were trotting out the "he's not just another white 3 point shooter!" line about him

just an insanely shortsighted pick, like "we've got our team so we'll take a guy who may at his best be as useful as malcolm brogdon in the lottery"

and thats why u dont let coaches gm

lebron stat lines this year are so good. tonight:

27-7-17-2 on 11/13 shooting.

In win over Pacers, Thunder's Russell Westbrook posted lowest FG% in a triple-double (3-17, 17.6%) since Clippers' Lamar Odom (2-13, 15.4%) in 1999. pic.twitter.com/L4nyA1Zfoh

— Ben Golliver (@BenGolliver) December 14, 2017

russ is bad

lotta bad lines from that game

melo 4/14
russ 3/17
pg 3/14

oladipo 9/26
turner 3/11
thad 5/13

10/45 from the thunder big 3, yeesh

In isolation this season...

James Harden:
10.5 PPG

Carmelo Anthony, Paul George, and Russell Westbrook combined:
10.2 PPG

..Wow..

— Josh Eberley 🇨🇦 (@JoshEberley) December 14, 2017

russ with the 27-17-15 in 3ot but 10-33 fg is ... bad http://bkref.com/tiny/lCymg

oops that url should be http://bkref.com/tiny/uzPIC

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heh

russ needs an intervention, but i fear him winning mvp means all his worst tendencies have been reinforced forever more

i dont know if "allen iverson of this generation" is right, but it feels right

iversons chucking was more excusable imo

plus AI did it w/ joy

otm x2

he's not a.i., he's kobe without any championships

kobe played d and had some finesse to his game

i saw a thing comparing russ vs ai stats in their mvp seasons and the one right after and they were pretty similar. similar drop off in shooting the season after for both

kobes D was def much better

CP

28-4-8-7-1 in 32 mins 5/9 from 3

he's kobe

― call all destroyer, Friday, December 15, 2017 9:07 PM (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok maybe your on to something

This is a great sport! pic.twitter.com/dth01qNPRE

— Kyle Weidie (@Truth_About_It) December 16, 2017

hah I was gonna post that he’s 24/7 Kobe Jutting His Jaw but wasn’t sure it would make sense

chris paul's PER last 7 seasons, including this one

27.0
26.4
25.9
26.0
26.2
26.2
26.2

post-knee surgery paul kind of quietly put together one of the most dominant 6+ year runs ever, certainly by a guard. fun to imagine the player he might have become had he never needed surgery

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRNt8IDUMAAHmfh.jpg

very nice

quite an achievement

the brick 3

a winning combination

cant decide if this is a buy low situation or if they are actually just gonna stay this bad.

incredible

they kinda have to improve like this is the worst they can be i think

according to the stats

melo's fg% has been in decline for a couple years. his 16-17 average was 43.3 (through 74 games)

40.8 is only just under pg's 15-16 average of 41.8 (81 games) though he shot 46.1% in 16-17

russ is russ

i expect paul will go on a hot streak and improve, but barring a complete change in play style by russ & melo all else will remain equal

How absurdly efficient has LeBron James been so far this season?

He shot 52% from the field in 4 games last week. It was his WORST shooting week of the season. pic.twitter.com/l8ANs26nnh

— Micah Adams (@MicahAdams13) December 18, 2017

bron doin stuff, basically single handedly winning nearly every game for the cavs

28=9-9 on 57-40-77 in 37mpg!

1blk 1stl 4tos

this seems very not sustainable and exhausting but will be interesting to see

Hezojna did some career high stuff
28-6-2-3 w eight threes

tatum synergy play type breakdown

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRYSHDiUIAA_I1G.jpg

damn

Capella 24-20-3-0-2

rockets r so good rn

Russell Westbrook

0 three point attempts

In NBA history, only 3 players have attempted 950+ three-pointers and made 30% or fewer in their first four seasons.

(Wordy, I know, but hopefully you aren’t confused).

Marcus Smart is one of them, and he’s attempted 4.5 per game this year pic.twitter.com/CA0YOVl1Tj

— Shane Young (@YoungNBA) December 22, 2017

im shocked theres someone who shot worse

Lol LeBron.

According to @SecondSpectrum, there have been 174 players which have been the nearest defender on at least 30 shots within 3 feet.

Only 2 have held players to under 50% shooting on those shots.

One is the 7'3" Kristaps Porzingis.
Other is the 6'8" LeBron James.

— Micah Adams (@MicahAdams13) December 21, 2017

tbf both of those heights are considered tall

i believe the zinger is actually 8'

an even 8, nice

lol lagoon otm

Andrew Wiggins is shooting 9/44 in iso and scoring 0.545 points per possession

If you shot 28% from the free throw line that'd be more points per possession than a Wiggins iso

— Cranjis McBasketball (@T1m_NBA) December 26, 2017

has wiggins been good at any point since high school

dirk!

Dirk has a .546 eFG% this year, the second best mark of his career https://t.co/TlnShl8pOb pic.twitter.com/pXPBrgFYjY

— Basketball Reference (@bball_ref) December 27, 2017

his movement on the court is very hard to watch but hell he can still shoot it

i saw a clip of him arriving to a game and he can barely walk in just every day situations its crazy hes out there playing in the nba

Dirk is just below Wilt on the all-time scoring list. He's probably not going to move past him.

RONDDDDOOOOO

2-7-25

in 30 minutes

o hell yea

pelicans take the crown for the 2017-18 seasons weirdest team

love when rondo does his completely insane thing

even his two points were off the classic rondo ballfake

Reasons this is wild …

Average shot distance:
Ben Simmons — 6.5 ft.
Jayson Tatum — 12.5 ft.

3-pointers:
Simmons — 0/9
Tatum — 56/115

FG% at the rim (0-3 feet):
Simmons — 73.5%
Tatum — 62.6% https://t.co/QSs5iSdjDF

— Shane Young (@YoungNBA) December 28, 2017

the hornets are simmons rookie of the year chances

Tatum is a baller. #NBARooks pic.twitter.com/NKXjNV2gV8

— NBA (@NBA) December 28, 2017

i dont think simmons is the runway ROY at this point, his #s have been dipping of late. obv taytum is up there, kuzma coming on strong, donovan mitchell as well.

all those weird in between shots simmons takes, well

https://i.imgur.com/FlpQ6G0.png

oof

does nba.com not have shot charts anymore, that site is a mess

i cant visit their site it's too infuriating

its really quite insane

https://i.imgur.com/IVob2BK.png

nba.com and that tweet have him taking 9 3s so far where the charts show 1 and 0 respectively?

https://i.imgur.com/k9ijiYY.png

simmons has the shot distribution of dre jordan who decided to start taking floaters

pretty weird for a point guard

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3026.png
hello

wow rondo has apparently abandoned the floater, a shot he used to take a lot

https://i.imgur.com/Qc1KKCS.png

i was poking you with the simmons=pg talk.

i remember rondo taking a lot of elbow jumpers w the celts?

lol

https://i.imgur.com/q3s4O2J.png

i was poking you with the simmons=pg talk.

― Spottie, Thursday, December 28, 2017 12:10 PM (forty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha yeah it just occurred to me that there was in fact a point guard weird enough to play like that

the elbow jumper was the one shot he cld hit (in 2010)

yeah he was good at that!

i cant remember what jason kidd was like before he started jacking 3s

i think he always kinda took a lot of threes, and mostly missed them until late in his career, other things he did iirc: unstoppable on the break both with passing and finishing, decent driver in the half court because of strength and handle but a bad finisher because of not great ups and zero scoring touch, missed a ton of shots from everywhere but continued to shoot lol

great defender too, cld guard both backcourt spots

its pretty crazy how high he is in the all time 3 pointers list

https://i.imgur.com/payEHK5.jpg

went through some tuff times in phoenix

bleached tips ruined a lot of lives tbf

yeah the nba stats landscape is a complete mess, baseball is so far ahead of them in terms of making actually interesting stats available to average fans

baseball is so easy to stat

this is true but I was referring to making stats easy to find for fans, like for baseball you basically just need fangraphs, baseball reference, and statcast to be fluent in baseball stat conversations. with basketball half of the stats dudes like zach lowe talk about are either proprietary, you have to pay for it, or it’s spread out over like 20 sites

yeah i just wonder what the issue is as far as supply/demand, feel like a lot of the basketball stats are just not very good and people dont want them

where baseball is just more a natural fit for statistical analysis so its flourished there, and even long before the analytics revolution baseball was always more numbers minded

with basketball stats always need to be contextualized and the best of the new breed are the more granular infos like shot distributions player tracking etc so it makes sense that its filtered through writers to make sense of it all, in contrast to baseball where u can throw out a good catch all stat like WAR thats actually useful, having said that it wld be cool if that granular data was more available and presented in good visualizations etc

yeah the ux is a nightmare, i get to the nba stats site and have no idea where to start or what to click on. bball reference is a little better but it looks like a ten year old site at hie point.

feel like if you're not on a 30" monitor for the nba stats site then dont even bother

so many columns, much rows, very tabular data

love to have the data in front of me

gotta have my datum

baseball has so many isolated, individual actions (batting and pitching) that happen thousands of times in the exact same way over there course of the season

football seems like it's even more difficult for analytics than basketball, like an individual running play - did the back make a great move or power through contact? did the blocking scheme result in a big hole? did an individual o lineman overpower someone? did someone take a bad angle? tackle poorly? misread the play? seems nearly impossible to use analytics in meaningful ways

yeah the current football analytics are horseshit.

yeah and the whole concept of downs really complicates things too, a good football analytics running joke is how footballoutsiders consistently rates the patriots as a middling to good team while they continue to produce the actual greatest results the game has ever seen

nba.com and that tweet have him taking 9 3s so far where the charts show 1 and 0 respectively?

― lag∞n, Friday, 29 December 2017 3:54 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

heaves?

this is an interesting discussion

part of the problem as alluded to upthread is that the baseball stat revolution happened before anyone including teams realized such information was worth being commodified, so bill james, tom tango etc were just working in the public sphere bcuz they had no choice. so pretty much the entire foundation of advanced stats in baseball is publicly available formulas. basketball came after that commodification... ben falk's site is a great example of something that would have been free if it started even 5 years ago.

i do wonder if there's some market for a fangraphs of basketball, basically... a place that centralizes the main advanced stats and publicizes some proprietary info (fangraphs buys info from firms) while also running an editorial site that contextualizes all of that w/ articles. maybe this exists and i don't know about it but it seems like the current relationship b/w basketball writing and basketball stats are sites that publish the stats and then writers that contextualize on mainstream sites or smaller blogs.

seems like "the analytically minded basketball fan" has kinda moved on from advanced stats to understanding basketball plays which is interesting in that it runs contrary to numbers guys hierarchy of knowledge

but i think its correct as far as how basketball functions the scheme is the most fundamental thing its the context on which everything else depends

statistic strives to normalize the scheme in order to make an apples to apples comparison across the league but its just really hard, maybe impossible, and maybe not that useful from a teams perspective for actual basketball business which is interesting

the big catch all stats are failures but the granular data is easily understood within the context of the scheme and is translatable across schemes if you understand the schemes

like is some blackbox defensive metric saying the giannis isnt that good of a defender for who knows what reason, well when we examine the player tracking data it says he is a very good defender in all aspects of the game except on the perimeter, when we look at his perimeter defense it says hes excellent when matched up with his man but struggles when switching, what do we know about the bucks defensive scheme, we know that it encourages tons of chaotic double teams and switching which doesnt work good, from out investigation we can conclude that giannis contrary to what the fancy advanced stat says in is fact likely an excellent defender who is playing in a bad scheme and would thrive in a good one, which not coincidentally is the same conclusion one wld reach by watching him play, thank u this has been my nba stats fan fic

now u cld try to create a stat which notices when everyone on a team tends to struggle in certain areas and labels it scheme and tries to account for it but it prob wldnt work and whats the point anyway like maybe its a scheme issue or maybe its a personnel which is a differentiation which is easy for a human to understand and very difficult for a computer to and youre never going to have a 100% quant basketball team so why not let the computers do the stuff theyre good at and let the humans do the stuff they are, humans are gonna make the decisions anyway

in conclusion in the words of smart stats boys everywhere "its stauskas"

ive found recently that reading about NBA plays makes the game feel super boring to me

I get the appeal of stats, but I'd rather hear (current) players' and (opposing) coaches' thoughts about/ratings of players than someone like Zack Lowe (who I really like) talk about stats. Way more interesting and feel like I learn more.

whereas w/ the NFL it's the opposite

I geek out on scouting reports like some people do on stats

like understanding all the movements and battles away from the ball in football help contextualize the action that draws your eyes, whereas in basketball when i read about that stuff the game starts to feel orchestrated and motorized in a way i find dispiriting

agree

huh weird wldnt have thought of that i feel like it helps me see the game better and plays in basketball are so much more wide open than in football anyway, theyre just sketches really, also the best nba players consistently destroy all schemes employed against them which is a neat feature and a good argument against stats tendency to value efficiency above everything and glorify role players who like hit a lot of open threes

nfl fans appreciation of scheme is def way ahead of the nbas tho, almost entirely because of madden (the game)

i think nba schematic stuff can be interesting but it’s a little abstract and in the back of my mind i’m always thinking about how many teams even basic scheme breaks down and teams have to improv.

its scheme vs scheme but sometimes u gotta just make something happen!

its not any coincidence that the best team over the long haul the spurs is also the most dedicated to quality robust scheming

It's interesting to observe and contemplate at times, but most of the time I don't want to have to think like a coach when I'm watching which is why I agree w/Jordan for most part.

like Thibs (to take the extreme example) does not look like he ever enjoys watching NBA guys play and I don't want to be anywhere near him on that spectrum.

reading about nba at a granular level has def improved my understanding and enjoyment of the game, but i think it's mostly about the way pick and rolls playout, defensive coverages generally etc. reading about set plays and that kinda stuff doesn't appeal to me much right now, tho it can be fun to recognize plays happening in real time

otm. i like when teams run plays that you start to recognize like elevator doors when someone is hot, or the hammer play that the spurs made now everyone does. but for the most part i just like to watch without thinking about it too much. i do like watching defensive switching, though.

yeah i mean im def not in coach mode when im watching nba my awareness of plays and schemes has gone from like 1% to 7% im still mostly in it for sick hooping and big wins

knowledge of "advanced stats" and knowledge of schemes/plays are of course not diametrically opposed things, as lagoon mentions you need some sort of grasp of scheme to be able to place advanced stats into context, and to understand the limitations of individual statistics

boogie
32-20-8-2-5 in a loss to dallas

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSWYds0VQAA42YC.jpg

38 in 26 minutes tonight

0 TOs too, pretty rare for him

dammit i love this man

Steph Curry is so much fun it's weird pic.twitter.com/UaqYfHTZEW

— Drew Shiller (@DrewShiller) December 31, 2017

derozan franchise record 52 pts

52-5-8-1-1

he's having a nice year.

could be why:

Last season, DeRozan took 31% of his shots from 16 ft to the 3 pt line. 8% of his shots were 3s.

So far this season (before tonight's game), the long 2s are down to 18.7% and 3s are up to 16.3%.

— Dave DuFour (@DaveDuFourNBA) January 2, 2018

Gary Harris

36-4-3-2

14/17 fg

he's legit

25-13 for kelly o tonight. kind of been a great signing by the heat.

He’s outplayed whiteside a bit, no?

whiteside was hurt for a month and has been kinda miserable since coming back lsat week. boban was working him tonight.

kelly can kill most centers on offense but has some rim protection issues vs teams that have guys who really get to the rim

3 years after the pistons stunned the world with their pick, stanley johnson (hurt) and justise winslow (hurt) combined for 0 points tonight

lol. every time i look at a stanley johnson statline this year i swear its like 0/8 or 0/9 shooting every time

I was shocked by this stat when I found it.

From my article on the main area Porzingis needs to improve upon to take the next step (Insider): https://t.co/daujupdB7A pic.twitter.com/fE6EuC8G14

— Ben Falk (@bencfalk) January 4, 2018

yeah I wanted to read that article this morning but I don't subscribe, looked interesting

i can't really justify paying for ben's stuff but i wish i did

Curry per 36

Unanimous MVP season: 31.7 pts on .669 true shooting / 5.7 reb / 7.0 ast / 3.5 tov
This season so far: 30.8 pts on .668 true shooting / 5.8 reb / 7.0 ast / 3.1 tov

He’s been crazy good and another level since coming back too.

IT2 averaging 27pts per 30mins this season

Rookies 20 or less with 15-point, 15-rebound and 5-block games: Shaq, Karl-Anthony Towns and Bam Adebayo.

— Clevis Murray (@ClevisMurray) January 10, 2018

fun game too! game winners and a couple scuffles and an actual fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6gd0gsdSF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouSAEc0X0To

cp3 37-7-11

bam looks kinda awesome
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 10, 2018 12:51 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lookin like a steal 4 sure

Lou Williams dropped 50 on the dubs last night, 27 in the 3rd quarter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTPeMAIVAAAnjRt.jpg:large

Giannis

27-20-6-0-2

he was incredibly fired up today

also very gassed at the end. didnt have enough juice to hit free throws

Kidd played him the entire 3rd quarter, a move I questioned until he sat him for 2 minutes in the 4th and immediately gave up an 8-0 run

NBA RECORD: Lauri Markkanen has made 100 career three pointers faster than any player in NBA history (41st game).

— Jeff Mangurten (@JeffGurt) January 15, 2018

no two teammates have ever done, let's go for three:

50/40/90 Update:

Curry: 49/41/92
Durant: 51/41/89
Klay: 49/45/90

GSW: 51/39/82

— Brian Witt (@Wittnessed) January 16, 2018

unfair

FTC needs to break up the warriors

gsw are the fucking robber barons of the nba stifling meaningful competition

Rob Mahoney‏Verified account @RobMahoney

Kind of amazing that it’s come to this: The Thunder rank 26th in halfcourt offensive efficiency, per Synergy Sports. Just behind the Magic, Bulls, and Grizzlies.

boogie 44-24-10 (2ot)

first 40-20-10 games since wilt

wild, even with 2 ots

jeez

yo

boogie is good is how i break it down

KD career high 14 assists.

when you try to be playoff bron all season and youre 33

Out of 94 players that have used at least 550 possessions this year, LeBron ranks 83rd in percentage of poss that end in a turnover. He’s also averaging a career high in TOs per game

— BBALLBREAKDOWN (@bballbreakdown) January 24, 2018

boogie 44-24-10 (2ot)

first 40-20-10 games since wilt

― lag∞n, Monday, January 22, 2018 9:06 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wild, even with 2 ots

― call all destroyer, Monday, January 22, 2018 9:07 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

iirc he had at least 30/20/10 by end of regulation

http://alexwainger.github.io/NBASubstitutionPatterns/

nice

19 pts 17 reb 14 ast for ben simmons tonight

insane line

had the 4th fastest triple double of the last 25 years apparently

crazy.

massive line from drummond too

30-24-4-3-6

all star snubs going off

Josh Jackson shot 0-of-13 from the field on Sunday, scoring two points with four rebounds and one turnover in 22 minutes.

According to Basketball-Reference, Jackson is the 21st player since 1963-64 to attempt at least 13 shots without a single make. He's also just the fourth bench player to hit that dubious mark, joining Derrick Favors (2012), Dino Radja (1993) and Junior Bridgeman (1984).

shooters shoot

you miss all the shots you don't take also all of the shots you do take

basically you miss all the shots

oh hey another dino radja sighting

notwithstanding osh jackson has picked it up a bit this month

*josh

osh ackson?

yea he's been better

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUtv6HWWsAEu943.jpg

The thunder will probably be more fun to watch without roberson but:

How much will the Thunder miss Andre Roberson's defense? In 539 minutes with Roberson joining Russell Westbrook, Paul George, Carmelo Anthony and Steven Adams on the floor, the Thunder allowed a measly 95.9 points per 100 possessions. In 402 minutes for the Thunder's four starters without Roberson, they allow 114.5 points per 100 possessions.

good company

Avery Bradley has a PER under 10 and a Defensive BPM under 1.0. Here's every player this decade to have a season like that at Bradley's point in his career (Year 7 or later) https://t.co/eAP9auDFAW pic.twitter.com/EmbIgvz0cM

— Basketball Reference (@bball_ref) January 30, 2018

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU0XR_cUMAEpwHA.jpg:large

I keep trying to dislike lyles but he's playing too solidly

what's your hesitation?

mostly I was mad that we traded for him because I thought it made no sense at the time, and I keep trying to believe the shooting is a mirage but he keeps pouring them in

Yah also clouded by the fact that they gave up Donovan to get him.

yeah that was mostly it....crazy thing is lyles is a year older and is playing better than mitchell now

Different roles. Donovan is gonna be the focal point of that offense for a long time.

no one does insane trip dubs like harden

60-10-11-4-1

in 46 minutes

whoa

first 60 p trip dub in nba history

WHAT

yeesh

what happened to eric gordon?