torchlight - a baby diablo

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anyone else play this? I have been trying the demo and it runs pretty well on my 3 yr old imac (bootcamp). very straightforward hack'n'slash rpg type, with blizzard-esque graphics. it's the kind of game that would be perfect for xbla.

bnw, Friday, 18 December 2009 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

note that there is a mac port coming. i'm not sure i want to jump in since there's no MP, but it's gotten a lot of positive reaction this season.

Nhex, Friday, 18 December 2009 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, this was created by the same folks who did Diablo. Worthwhile. I guess they did this as a dry run for the eventual mmorpg

kingfish, Friday, 18 December 2009 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I just noticed this is on sale this weekend on steam for $9.99

Jeff LeVine, Saturday, 19 December 2009 01:02 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks for the tip- loved the demo, and $10 is irresistible. I especially love that they got the dude who did Diablo's music to come back for more of the same. So nostalgic!

a black white asian pine ghost who is fake (Telephone thing), Sunday, 20 December 2009 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link

got this for xmas. haven't gotten it to run successfully

aim chtza (The Reverend), Saturday, 26 December 2009 08:08 (fourteen years ago) link

this is 5 bucks today

i grabbed it, will play later

bread has no effect on you (ciderpress), Saturday, 26 December 2009 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link

ugh mac port be damned, i bit on this. 7.5 hours left, for anyone who is even remotely interested in this game

Nhex, Sunday, 27 December 2009 09:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Worth getting? I'm overloaded w rpgish games but I'm a Diablo fan from way back. I see the mac port is torrentable.

antexit, Sunday, 27 December 2009 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link

twenty minutes of play suggests it's worth the trouble. this might as well be a sequel.

forks©lovetofu (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 27 December 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm saying that as someone who still thinks Diablo II might be his fave game of the decade.

forks©lovetofu (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 27 December 2009 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Bought this, just b/c i enjoyed it so much.

kingfish, Monday, 28 December 2009 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Curiously on how it looks/plays on something other than an older, underpowered laptop

kingfish, Monday, 28 December 2009 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i had to turn off antialiasing and lower shadow/particle quality just to make it playable on a pc i bought last year.

lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 December 2009 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

i got about, oh, three hours in. it's a serious popcorn game: just one more adventure, just one more floor, just until i beat these guys and then it's two in the morning.

lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 December 2009 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link

the amount of inventory shuffling and identifying gets annoying. They put in vendors to do just about everything except identify your shit. I have been playing as an alchemist summoner who runs from battle and makes his minions kill everything. sometimes it gets so chaotic i can't tell what I have summoned that is still alive.

are pets any good at casting spells or do they just do it randomly?

bnw, Monday, 28 December 2009 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link

i think you have a typo in the word smells and posted to the wrong thread but yes they're very good at it

antexit, Monday, 28 December 2009 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

don't make me put on my wizard hat

bnw, Monday, 28 December 2009 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

sand in your wizard's sleeve

lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 December 2009 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

finally got to the point where i'm getting killed regularly. game really enforces the "okay, better slow down" boundary.

lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link

finally got around to playing this. cleared out the mines. really does satiate my diablo fix.

art crut (The Reverend), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link

keep reading this as "torchlight - a baby diplo"

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

MIA named her kid Torchlight?

lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

should have jumped on this for $5, huh

=皿= (dyao), Thursday, 31 December 2009 07:32 (fourteen years ago) link

that's what she said

super mario bros. (s1ocki), Thursday, 31 December 2009 07:55 (fourteen years ago) link

looks like she heard my wish

=皿= (dyao), Monday, 4 January 2010 03:42 (fourteen years ago) link

any idea how this handles with a trackpad? or do I have to bother with a mouse for maximal killing action?

Euler, Monday, 4 January 2010 08:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm doing ok with one

condaleeza spice (The Reverend), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:55 (fourteen years ago) link

cool; gonna be a few days before I try this prob as I also bought civ 4 on the steam sale but I'm looking forward to the mayhem

Euler, Monday, 4 January 2010 11:31 (fourteen years ago) link

computer froze during this :(

condaleeza spice (The Reverend), Monday, 4 January 2010 11:40 (fourteen years ago) link

this takes everything annoying about d2 and smooths it out

Player is killed, but they are resurrected, and the 45 Revolver glow gold (dyao), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link

item drops suck in this; seems I always need to upgrade my weapons at the merchants which is very lame

Player is killed, but they are resurrected, and the 45 Revolver glow gold (dyao), Saturday, 9 January 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I started this last night. It's lots of fun. Control with a trackpad is a little imprecise but it's mostly that when I got ganked by a big group of mobs it was hard to click on individual mobs. Fortunately my dog helped clean up the mess.

I made level 4, but I'm not sure if I want to keep playing as a tank. It's my default just b/c I tend to hack and slash even as a mage and I like the thrill of upgrading weapons and seeing an immediate crushing impact, rather having my mana go up. Well, I guess I can replay this, or just create a mage and see if I like it more that way.

Euler, Sunday, 10 January 2010 07:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Euler: shift key helps with that. it sticks you in place to attack

pugwant (The Reverend), Sunday, 10 January 2010 08:15 (fourteen years ago) link

huh yeah that would help! cool

Euler, Sunday, 10 January 2010 08:18 (fourteen years ago) link

this is the diablo crack, alright. word of warning - those pocket dungeons you can buy out of the shop? absolutely BRUTAL. You can't warp out, and they're super hard, so stock up on potions like mad... took me ages just to do one floor, after which i gave up... nice thing at least i was super buffed for the story game and other missions at the "proper" level

Nhex, Sunday, 10 January 2010 09:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Level 24 tank

lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 10 January 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

ugh spending way too much time reading the torchlight forums

Player is killed, but they are resurrected, and the 45 Revolver glow gold (dyao), Monday, 11 January 2010 03:31 (fourteen years ago) link


bnw, Thursday, 14 January 2010 04:33 (fourteen years ago) link

He obviously did that one for the paycheck, as it really doesn't say anything. I mean, even for yahtzee.

While I enjoy the hell out of this game, but it's also kind of the epitome of the stuff we were talking about in the "envy" thread, where i know there's no substance to this at all, it's just hollow, massively time-consuming entertainment, yet so fun. I am staying far, far away from the MMO when that comes out.

Nhex, Thursday, 14 January 2010 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

haha I was thinking of that envy of gameres thread too when I was playing last night

I can't turn my face into a shart (dyao), Thursday, 14 January 2010 05:05 (fourteen years ago) link

65 hrs

I can't turn my face into a shart (dyao), Thursday, 14 January 2010 05:06 (fourteen years ago) link

yeaaaaa half of those are mine

Nhex, Thursday, 14 January 2010 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I've been playing in offline mode, otherwise I'd add 20 more hours to that. haah

I can't turn my face into a shart (dyao), Thursday, 14 January 2010 05:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I bought a Heal II spell and then stupidly "accidentally" unlearned it...down 2000 gold but whatever, I have so many heal potions that it doesn't matter I guess for now.

gold was rolling in when I went into the level 1-10 pocket dungeon which was more fun than the normal dungeon b/c it was harder. I'm playing on normal so maybe that's why this seems kinda easy and thus kinda silly to me...despite that I'm still gonna play through b/c it's satisfying in the way it's satisfying to play an old-school arcade shooter like 1942, full of mechanical violence without worries about "plot".

Euler, Thursday, 14 January 2010 07:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah that reminds me of something I wanted to mention. This is a small thing in scope, but I love the fact that when you start a new game, and they give you a description for each difficulty. Sure - maybe it seems obvious what "Easy", "Medium", "Hard" and "Very Hard" mean, but it never is, since you never know what basis a game is using that as (like what's "Normal" difficulty, and to who?). Since the description for Hard actually say it was for people who had played Action RPGs before and I think it says Very Hard is for masochists or something like that, I knew Hard was the way to go for me. Every game with difficulty settings at the start should have verbose explanations, since you usually can't change the difficulty mid-way (and even when you can - it usually feels like a cop-out, TWEWY-aside).

I felt kind of stupid about being shocked about the pocket dungeon above - I didn't realize the Level 1-10 doesn't refer to your character level but to a random floor of the main dungeon, so I think the first time I picked up one it was like 5 floors ahead of where I was. Also more lulz at that post - I was probably inches away from the portal exit, since they end shortly after you hit the second floor.

Nhex, Thursday, 14 January 2010 08:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I usually pick Normal because I'm not very good at games, but here I wish I'd picked Hard. Aside from the pocket dungeons, it's not even possible to be harder on yourself (go down further, faster) because you'll just end up leveling as you clear all the mobs on the linear path.

That said, crushing things and making them go splat is pretty satisfying.

counter-clockwise (lukas), Thursday, 14 January 2010 08:21 (fourteen years ago) link

huh I didn't realize that the levels in the random dungeon were random. I'm glad I got a difficult one!

Wait, so can you change difficulties in this? Google search is just confusing me: it says you can now do it with a patch but only in "console": does that mean I can't do it in the main game and have to load some other program?

I have no problem with changing difficulties midway through, if it makes a game more fun for me. Fun's the only reason I'm playing. I think I would like to move up to Hard in this.

Euler, Thursday, 14 January 2010 08:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah, didn't realize that you could do that! The console is in the game, but you need to change line in the settings.txt file to enable it. See here for info on that file's location - easiest way is to run %appdata% and browse to the runic games\torchlight folder.

It's not listed there but after hitting Shift+~ ingame, the command should be SETDIFFICULTY 2. Valid numbers are 0-3 for the different difficulty levels.

Nhex, Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:01 (fourteen years ago) link

ok cool, I will do that!

I assume steam games get patched automatically?

Euler, Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:04 (fourteen years ago) link

yep yep

Nhex, Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:07 (fourteen years ago) link

once you enable the console you can also redistribute your character's skillpoints - type 'respecpotion' into the console

I can't turn my face into a shart (dyao), Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:38 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm told that labels you a "cheater" and you can no longer share items with other characters

counter-clockwise (lukas), Thursday, 14 January 2010 10:03 (fourteen years ago) link

It looks (from reading around) that changing difficulty doesn't make you a "cheater", but changing other stuff in console can.

Euler, Thursday, 14 January 2010 10:04 (fourteen years ago) link

you mean some random person on the TL forums was incorrect?!?!?!??!

counter-clockwise (lukas), Thursday, 14 January 2010 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link

haha I think it was fixed in a patch but fuck, reading online about this game isn't very helpful for some reason.

Euler, Thursday, 14 January 2010 10:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I think respecpotion is officially sanctioned; not sure

runic games' forum is a good place for info

I can't turn my face into a shart (dyao), Thursday, 14 January 2010 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Ok, those forums DO have a lot of info! Though i now i realize i may have to respec my summoner/caster/dual-wand (ok maybe I did try too many things) Alchemist since i dumped too many points in the wrong skills. The game does encourage this, though, with the skill level tiering - which is totally cool - because it IS more fun to try out a dozen different abilities than to power build - though my eyes are definitely changing for my games with the other classes. Glad the respec potion exists, though, so I don't have to completely start over with Alchemist!

Nhex, Thursday, 14 January 2010 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I hit level 10 last night and am thinking, even with kicking the level up to Hard, that this isn't going to take so long to complete. So I'm cool with screwing up my tank by choosing specs badly and then playing again as a blaster. It's mostly just dumb button-mashing fun for me so far, kinda like Marvel Ultimate Alliance (I played Diablo but not Diablo 2, and it was a long time ago...this is the first game like this I've played since then).

Euler, Thursday, 14 January 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha, don't worry about completing the game here, trust me. There's... something afterward.

Nhex, Thursday, 14 January 2010 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link

haha ok, I guess I can create multiple characters then? I want to see how the other classes work, esp. b/c I'm avoiding distance weapons and (for the most part) spells with my tank.

Euler, Thursday, 14 January 2010 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link

sure, why not? all your characters stay selectable/reloadable from the main screen in any case

Nhex, Thursday, 14 January 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link

cool, I think I'll do that then!

Euler, Thursday, 14 January 2010 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, playing on hard really cleared my sinuses out, so to speak: I was midway through a pocket dungeon (level 8; my char is level 10) and I ended up dying uh, 6 times? And that was just on the small second floor. Then I went back to the main dungeon and I did better, so I guess it was just the beefed-up pocket mobs that were the trouble.

Euler, Friday, 15 January 2010 07:11 (fourteen years ago) link

best tip from the forums so far, if you haven't seen this:

before you go to the gambling man in town, put a socketed item in your pet's inventory. mouse over an item the diceman is selling. if:

-it has at least 3 requirements (level + 2 attribs)
-the socket/gem appears on the item in your pet's inventory

you have a 90% chance of getting a rare/unique item. (maybe all unique items have 4 requirements? dunno.) yeah i was complaining about being overpowered earlier. whatever, now i have a mace with a ram's head.

counter-clockwise (lukas), Friday, 15 January 2010 07:52 (fourteen years ago) link

hah - I just sunk a couple of points into Barter, too. maybe I'll turn my chararcter into a gold finder

I can't turn my face into a shart (dyao), Friday, 15 January 2010 07:58 (fourteen years ago) link

i didn't even bother with magic or gold find bonuses on my first main runthrough - a foolish decision! even getting 2 or 3% find, especially gold, makes the game go so much smoother

gonna try out that tip on the gambler - so far i've gotten screwed over for the most part on those

Nhex, Friday, 15 January 2010 08:43 (fourteen years ago) link

So far (about 6 hrs of play) I haven't found gold to be particularly necessary. The gear that pops has been plenty good, I think. Is there significantly better gear available for purchase at the store?

Euler, Friday, 15 January 2010 08:46 (fourteen years ago) link

my best weapons have been store bought (drops have not been kind to me)

I can't turn my face into a shart (dyao), Friday, 15 January 2010 08:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I should start checking out the store then; the town is kind of a dreary place to spend time so I try to get out asap.

Euler, Friday, 15 January 2010 08:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I make enough money that I clean the gem seller out of gems every time I get - also I check to see what spells she has

I can't turn my face into a shart (dyao), Friday, 15 January 2010 08:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I have a bad habit of constantly using the enchanter, which just eats up gold at a crazy rate, but then you get these awesome items with 10 bonuses and slots and whatnot. But I am probably better off buying more store stuff.

Nhex, Friday, 15 January 2010 12:16 (fourteen years ago) link

just finished this on hard, have absolutely no desire to do the endless dungeon or very hard

I can't turn my face into a shart (dyao), Friday, 15 January 2010 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link

ok whoa is this fun as alchemist; sitting back, blasting away...and I just figured out that wands shoot too! but who needs to when you've got serious triple ember bolts blasting away!

Euler, Friday, 15 January 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

dual wand, motherfucker! what's really sick though is if you go the summoner route, between all the different summon spells, your imps and golems you can control a ridiculous little army

Nhex, Saturday, 16 January 2010 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah I am rocking dual wands! is there some reason not to? b/c so far no mob gets close to me when I'm blasting away with ember bolt (it has 50% knockback I think). playing on hard now too...but I think I"m only level 6 with this char so far.

Euler, Saturday, 16 January 2010 06:44 (fourteen years ago) link

RPS review spot-on, I think:

counter-clockwise (lukas), Saturday, 16 January 2010 06:55 (fourteen years ago) link

That RPS review is quite correct, and I really like those guys, but wow did it really need 15 paragraphs to say "best diablo since diablo ii, shallow and great"? Ah, that's what they always do, though.

Euler: There's a dual-handed proficiency you might want to invest in at Level 20, I think, but the main reason not to do dual wands is to have a shield for better defense and blocking. But I'm pretty ok with that general strategy of blasting away anyone who gets close with spells. You'll know when the game wants you to slow down because you'll spawn on a new floor and BAM instamob death, kinda like forks said way early in the thread.

Nhex, Saturday, 16 January 2010 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I may as well get a shield now b/c I'm mostly just perma-ember-bolting---it's so tactile-y satisfying to play on my macbook pro b/c blasting is two-finger-click (that gets a right click) and it just feels shooty, feels right.

Euler, Saturday, 16 January 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

it's gonna be tough to turn away from double wands now b/c I am rocking two sweet ones. whoooo this game is fun (thank goodness I don't have much time for it, o/w I could get sucked in)

Euler, Saturday, 16 January 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

game is 6x as interesting on Hard than Normal. i appreciate the level design more now that i'm not burning through them as fast. i have to make actual tradeoffs in spending / character setup.

counter-clockwise (lukas), Saturday, 23 January 2010 06:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes: although I haven't found hard to be very difficult either. I've moved to carrying a shield instead of double wands, b/c the occasional flash crushings by a huge gang of mobs o/w ends with me dead quickly. But as long as I can avoid getting hit much and I have enough mana potions handy (easy since they drop like crazy) then I can blast my way through anything. I hit level 20 last night. My kitty is pretty tough now (though a spider for 3600 seconds! kinda confusing mostly) and my golum soaks up plenty of damage. When I hit 25 I'll get the other golum too.

I think I'm on the cusp of starting to get better gear too. I seem to hit plateaus of gear, where the stuff I'm getting is no better than what I have, and then all of a sudden all of my gear starts to look worse than what's dropping. I just get attached to what I have so it takes me a while to give up. I wish better rings would drop though.

And I wish I could convince myself to *use* the gems I have instead of hoarding them on the hopes of maxxing them out with transmutations. If they were more common or cost less I might use them, but as it is they're just not good enough, esp. for the defensive abilities they confer.

Euler, Saturday, 23 January 2010 08:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Might as well use them, since you get so little money from selling gear that you're gonna upgrade out of eventually - - destroy it to get the gems back and keep transmuting. Though yeah, it does seem like a joke to get an extra 15 poison damage out of a weapon that's dealing hundreds of DPS already.

Btw, the Web spell is totally awesome. Especially as a summoner it's practically essential to surviving later on, but I imagine it's a good spell for other alchemist types as well. It's especially great to tie down minibosses while my army of minions completely eats them up. Wish I'd picked it up a lot earlier in my game!

I recommend the respec and potion stack mods (and Torchleech, why not), it's nice to not have to waste extra inventory slots on potions, identify and town scrolls.

Nhex, Monday, 25 January 2010 05:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Can I use those mods w/o becoming a cheater (whatever that means for a singer player game)?

Euler, Monday, 25 January 2010 06:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, it doesn't turn on the cheat flag (which kills the shared stash).

Nhex, Monday, 25 January 2010 07:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Can those of us using the Mac/Cider port use mods?

counter-clockwise (lukas), Monday, 25 January 2010 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Answer: yes, although finding the right spot to put them was annoying.

counter-clockwise (lukas), Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I installed the potion stack mod (using Steam) but it doesn't seem to work, at least not as I thought it would (letting me have 200 potions of a given type in a stack, rather than just 20). It doesn't seem to do anything. I did get the "installed a mod" achievement though.

level 22 now and it hasn't gotten too tough yet; I'm getting a little worn out with hoarding eq to transmute to gems, prob. b/c I don't have enough open sockets now to use the sweet gems I've acquired.

Euler, Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link

That's pretty much what the pot stack mod does, though it's nice that it also works for ID/TP scrolls too. One super slick thing - didn't realize Steamworks also syncs your mods! Pretty slick.

Nhex, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link

ok I got the potion stack mod to work; I think I needed a reboot maybe? Whatever; it's very nice now, though I'm hardly using potions at all now.

So I'm level 26 on hard, and the game is starting to get boring again: waaaay easy but yet annoying as the difficulty seems to have become a function of having tons of goblins thrown at me plus those annoying phasing dogs. None of them pose any serious threat to me so I can just stand there and blast, but I also can't really see what's going on (too many explosions, and I just mash mash mash blast blast blast). I'm at maybe level 27 of the dungeon: will the mobs soon get bigger, like in terms of screen real estate? I'd love to fight more of the big trolls or (way better yet) dragons or something huge. I can tell that I'm getting close to the end of the main quest but I'm kinda losing steam (haha). Is there cause for hope in finding bigger mobs soon?

Euler, Monday, 1 February 2010 10:52 (fourteen years ago) link

the final battle(s) are pretty tough and mobbish iirc. there's also a monster in the last few levels who will devestate you if your deflect missile rates aren't up

you want it to be some dude, but it's the other dude (dyao), Monday, 1 February 2010 10:56 (fourteen years ago) link

ok I can look forward to that then! My deflect missile rates are probably not very up. Though I have two golums who soak up lots of damage. In any case I look forward to a tough battle.

Euler, Monday, 1 February 2010 11:12 (fourteen years ago) link

New patch today! New challenge rooms or some such! I have no idea what they are but yay!

Nhex, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

This game suddenly became a real drag. My character is level 31 and I'm on level 32 of the dungeon, the Black Palace. I don't think I'm underpowered and that grinding up to level 32 would help much, because there are these bastard Dark Zealots who occasionally get critical hits on me and then poof I'm dead. But the levels are so long that backtracking takes a long fucking time. It's not fun anymore. Is there something I should do to make it fun again? Like, some gear that will stop the Dark Zealots? I know I'm close to the end of the game and I'd like to see it through, but really I'm starting to feel bad about myself after wasting an hour or two on this. Maybe it's just not my style and I should start Dragon Quest V or something.

Euler, Monday, 8 February 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link

the dark zealots and the dark acolytes are the ones you need to watch for! you need good missile reflect gear. but yeah it gets to be kind of a drag at this point.

99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Monday, 8 February 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link

My belt is 50% missile reflect but I guess I can look for more. Between this, and the annoyingness of hoarding gems that are actually pretty useless relative to the strengths of good eq, I'm not sure what my overall assessment of this game is. There's definitely lots of room for improvement. The sucky plot is finally working to its disadvantage, because I don't feel like if I were to quit the game that I'd lose anything wrt the narrative.

I am happy that I finally got to fight dragons, though.

Euler, Monday, 8 February 2010 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link

X% chance to 50% missile reflect is the lower end of reflect gear, so keep a lookout for better stuff. I suspect you're having similar problems I had with my alchemist, since I'm guessing you put all your points into attack spells and summons, instead of focusing more on one build or ignoring the Armor perk (key for summoner... actually, everyone). Definitely hit a wall in the last part of the game but I eventually trudged my way through the end - for the post-game I respec'd and enjoyed it a lot more.

This was after 120-odd deaths, though - I wasn't too smart about the build, and I kept taking the exp hit for dying instead of gold/restart. I think I had less than a dozen for my Destroyer game and my Vanquisher hasn't died yet, since I did smarter builds for them. For the Alchemist your spell scrolls are key, look for the rare late game spells Web and Blood Skeleton. If you're going heavy on the summoner build get some zombies, skeletons and archers. If not, get Elemental Protection or maybe Frost.

I also didn't realize the strategy of using a town portal scroll in the dungeon every few minutes. If you open the portal but don't enter it, and die, it'll be up in town so you can re-enter the dungeon where you opened it. So you lose nothing for choosing the "resurrect in town" option, then you can just enter the portal back. Portal scrolls are cheap, so do this if you're not already doing so!

In all of my games I was always at least a few character levels above the floor number, usually more, so you might want to do a Hatch quest or purchase a map dungeon - you'll level up easily since the monsters are matched to your level.

Nhex, Monday, 8 February 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I guess I need to grind and pick up better eq. I did a Hatch quest last night and it was pretty brutal, full of Dark Zealots. But I got 3/4 of a level too.

I'm an Alchemist and I focused on summons + ember bolt (now at level 10). My first golum is at 10 too, and my second golum is at maybe 4? I put a little into armor. My cat is getting cut up right away so I'm having to soak more damage myself. My armor is really high, it's just the Dark Zealots and those little skeletons that get shot out, and that I can't really see b/c of all the ember bolts I constantly shoot out, that cut me up. My cat summons VI zombies and skeleton warriors. I could do that with my extra spell slots: all I really cast from my slots is heal all. I haven't found Web or Blood Skeleton for sale or on drop yet. I have elemental protection IV I think. It's a pain to keep casting buffs, though.

Huh, that's a brilliant idea re. town portal. I've been picking the resurrect at the start of the level choice, which costs er 2000 or so gold; but I'm constantly sitting on about 20K gold so w/e. Still, it's good to save money in case really good gear ever happens to be on sale.

Euler, Monday, 8 February 2010 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Blow the money on enchantments! Well, on stuff you know you're not gonna give up for a while.

Heal All is all right, but generally it doesn't heal yourself enough, and you're going to be chugging potions when those mobs hit you. I'd rather stick it on the pet for occasional use and give the spell slot to something else. And it's just easier to resummon golems and shift-click potions to feed to pet.

If you're gonna keep going the summon route, I'd recommend doing Pet/Minion Mastery, Burning Bind, and Charm Mastery for the summon spells if you keep up with that. If you get Summon Skeleton or Blood Skeleton, you can have up to 5 of each at a time, but you do have to pump them out constantly since they expire after a set time, unlike your Golem skills. But as an Alchemist, I think unless you go for a weird Strength attack build you're going to have to do a lot of continuous skill key mashing. Even with my Destroyer, casting Frost Shield every 30 seconds was essential.

Nhex, Monday, 8 February 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

My strength is pretty low; I have a wand that's actually quite buff but I rarely use it; it's just ember bolt ember bolt ember bolt. I have Burning Bind at level 2 maybe. I'm not committed to any particular build, which is probably part of the problem; although actually I'm not sure there is a problem, just more my frustration with doing fine and then dying in one shot once in a while with those damned Dark Zealots. O/w I'm doing fine, even with Dragonkins up close they rarely get a hit on me.

Euler, Monday, 8 February 2010 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

You guys must be playing VH, right? I found a Summoner guide and Hard has been, as you said, not that much ...

scratch paper (lukas), Monday, 8 February 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

"torchlight - a baby's dildo"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 8 February 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

this is $5 on steam again if anyone hasn't played it yet

ciderpress, Thursday, 25 March 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Mac port arrives with the debut of Steam on Mac tomorrow!

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link

(and it's got Steam Play, so no need to pay for it twice, hooray)

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Sweet. I will totally get this tomorrow.

Mordy, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link

any word on whether you can transfer your PC save games to Mac? I've been playing on XP on my Mac through Fusion/Boot Camp and though I lost interest in the game a few months ago (got too damn hard) I'd play more often if I didn't have to go into XP to play.

Euler, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

it has Steam Cloud support so everything should load cleanly on both OSs

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link


Euler, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

So excited for this tomorrow! Way more than the Valve stuff.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

It's Wednesday - where's my Mac Steam?

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

you are now introduced to Valve Time

Nhex, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't like Valve Time.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

46% d/l'ed!

Euler, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I just got the client - Torchlight, here I come!

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't suppose there's a way to transfer savegames from my, um, unofficial Mac port to Steam. (lukas), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link

you can probably just copy the savegame files from the runic games folder (though I don't know where they are yet in the steam mac version or the unofficial version - on windows they were in %appdata%/runic games/torchlight/save), just do it when Steam isn't on

Nhex, Thursday, 13 May 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Dang - it turns out it won't do Windows to Mac or vice versa cloud syncing for character saves (though oddly the mods did sync. Bummer. Fortunately, copying over my Windows saves manually did the trick, and the mods seemed to work as well.

Nhex, Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

good info, i will now give runic the $10 they more than deserve (lukas), Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Nhex, to where did you copy the Windows saves? And did they work? The forums suggest that you can't play your Windows saves in Torchlight Mac.

Euler, Thursday, 13 May 2010 05:58 (fourteen years ago) link

They worked for me, though I only tried one of my 3 characters, they all appeared on the load screen intact with play times, only error message was the mod mismatch warning. The Mac saves go in the same relative place as the Windows version, "%appdata%\runic games\torchlight" being "~\Library\Application Support\runic games\torchlight".

Nhex, Thursday, 13 May 2010 06:22 (fourteen years ago) link

huh, yes, you're right, it works! It's funny, on the TL forum their staff was saying you can't do this b/c of some binary incompatibilities. Obv. that's false!

Euler, Thursday, 13 May 2010 06:33 (fourteen years ago) link

yep, weird developer excuses at play! especially weird since my mods synced fine

Nhex, Thursday, 13 May 2010 06:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Love it!

Mordy, Friday, 14 May 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

so i guess now that this out for mac im getting it huh?

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 14 May 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

just in time for nice weather and lots of work that needs to be done!

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Friday, 14 May 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Sequel announced - NOT the MMO, but a new single player game with online co-op modes! New classes, more MMO-style customization, outdoor environs...

Nhex, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Nhex, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Not Torchlight, but another Diablo-alike, Path of Exile, is having a public stress test this weekend. Not many New Zealand-made games around, so I'm curious to see how it holds up.

etc, Friday, 30 March 2012 07:53 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...

it's out. get hype.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 20 September 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link

no hype for me. Gotta wait for the Mac version.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 20 September 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link

seven years pass...

hey guys, you know what's a good game? 2012's Torchlight II.

Nhex, Sunday, 26 April 2020 01:55 (four years ago) link

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