Controversial Food Opinions - The Béchamel Test

Titles props to bg.

I am now reading a reddit on bechamel in lasagne and getting mad. But I guess there are people who actively seek out creamed spinach and creamed corn and creamed mushrooms...

struggling to find any recipes for lasagne al forno that don't feature bechamel as standard

Like I get that they wanted the creaminess to balance out the acidity of tomatoes and again it acts as a "rustic" filler but it's disgusting. Unless you used it to moisten a ricotta/mozz/herb mixture, but I always just see it as a big soupey mess. I hate a slippery lasagna. I want crisp edges.

i think that can be moderated thru cooking time and sauce thickness

Also, I can't find regular pickles here that don't have sugar added. Sweet, off dry pickles are the worst.

I love that little kick of nutmeg from a good bechamel.

I have been trying to work out why there is such an outcry over bechamel on lasagne, but if it's wet and sloppy then fair enough, that's bad. Bechamel doesn't need to be like that.

Bechamel is what you give to baby squirrels through an eye dropper.

Béchamel is bad always. You savages wouldn’t put mayonnaise in your lasagna would you?

do I really want to know?

luv2see my peerless wit immortalised in thread titles, thx yerac

I just registered that I made a grammatical error and it kind of looks like I am giving you "titties props" if you glance quickly.

if you can't distinguish between mayo and Bechamel i figure there is no debate to be had

thx also to yerac for acknowledging my rack

You savages wouldn’t put mayonnaise in your lasagna would you?

my wife's away this weekend, might as well do some experimental cooking

sorry, my w1f3

Straight red sauce is far, far superior to bechamel. Bechamel should go the way of aspic.

mmm, larks' tongues in bechamel

I can't tell the difference between sarin and novichok either but

one of them definitely comes straight from Putin

iirc (was a long time ago) i used to make lasagna @ a resto. and bechamel was gently layed over the top layer of red sauce. so it wasn't actually in it. and after it cooked it was a creamy layer, but not runny at all. i always thought it was a presentation thing - like the contrast it makes with the sauce just underneath it. and you kind of had to make the bechamel just right - couldn't be too runny or too thick to spread perfectly while at the same time avoiding getting any hint of the red from the sauce underneath mixed in. also seemed to make a pretty rustic dish a little more elegant?

my controversial food opinion is it's ok for people to not like certain foods
it's also ok to not want to try certain foods

Yeah, people should eat what they want. I only get annoyed when people prepare food for other people and they totally won't even try it or just are assholes about it. I eat the lasagna with bechamel when people prepare it for me and say "wow, this is amazing."

I would eat it too but would hope no one would tell me it's béchamel

it is ok before people to like whatever foods but it is fun to get "mad" about it

it's fine to not like things or to like things and message board threads are a safe space for comedy outrage but irl if i'm eating something and you tell me how gross the thing i'm eating is i may not say "gtfo you delicate savage" but i will certainly think it v. loudly

it's also ok to not want to try certain foods

"But, you've GOT to try this!" (aggressively shoves a forkful of food at brimstead's mouth)

my grandparents convinced me I was lactose intolerant (I'm not) and I ate cereal w/ orange juice for over a decade

its good

My mom will prepare a lovely lunch/dinner for us when we visit. And then my dad comes sauntering over and makes his own pastrami sandwich to eat. He's an asshole.

people shoving food at my face is a slightly different kind of savagery and whether i like the food or not isn't the issue for me

my dad used to be terrible for this, if i mentioned in conversation having eaten something he didn't like - and there was plenty of stuff he didn't like - he'd insist every bleeding time on a quick monologue about how horrible the thing i'd just mentioned was. in case i'd forgotten the previous 200 times he'd told me he didn't care for curry.

My dad wouldn't eat the grilled salmon and salad my mom made for lunch once. He ate too many salads and he ate too much salmon growing up. Of really dad, grilled salmon was all the rage in 1950s Michigan?

Dads are kind of the worst about this stuff. DON'T BE LIKE YOUR DAD.

Speak for your own dad, not mine, plz.

DON'T BE LIKE MY DAD.

but i like pastrami sandwiches ;_;

One time it was a plate of sliced up sausages and tomatoes. We all gave him the side-eye.

okay that's just weird, wtf yerac's dad

I kind of figure all Trump voters are like that. He's my benchmark.

I knew someone in college who apparently at some point decided to eat only olive oil. His thyroid stopped working!

what the shit

I know!

I think he was living on a boat at the time??

I think since then he's founded a cryptocurrency startup. We're not in touch.

Anyway eat what people put in front of you, if possible, is a virtue I've come around to. (I tried with eggplant, it makes me gag, I am not trying again with eggplant.)

he's founded a cryptocurrency startup

this actually helps put the olive oil diet in context tbh

the only things I don't eat are mayo, cooked eggs (except in like fried rice) & savory cream sauces. & when I'm traveling I'll even try those. I mean, I once ate a cow's seminal vesicle, how much worse can béchamel be? (actually the seminal vesicle was pretty good)

idgi will you slam back a raw egg in the a.m.?

I think he was living on a boat at the time??

I think since then he's founded a cryptocurrency startup. We're not in touch.

― valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, March 23, 2018 9:09 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love this post

sorry, euler, i don't mean to make light of familial discord or anything

SILBY I MEAN, gah

iirc in college he was living on a restricted diet that was heavy on unseasoned chicken breast and Nutella

well raw eggs get cooked in stuff & I'm cool with that it's just like hard boiled or fried or whatever you people do, they smell so bad, it's just not my thing

Someone made me kidneys once because I had not had them before and was interested. They were disgusting. I still ate 5 and had nightmares all night. They ate one because they don't like kidneys.

My partner is a reformed vegan and has slowly been adding some seafood to his diet. The first time he had lobster he spit it out. I ate the chewed up bit. He threw up some abalone in a restaurant. He likes grilled octopus though.

Euler how are you in France and not eating mayo. I feel like in France is the only time I eat mayo. Especially when it's freshly prepared.

The first time he had lobster he spit it out. I ate the chewed up bit.

man this is true love right here

whether for lobster or yr partner i leave for others to determine

When we go out to restaurants and it's omakase/chef's menus I have to make sure I am extra hungry, because I hate food going to waste and sometimes have to eat double because i'll eat the portions or plates he can't eat. I have a lot of pics me eating huge cheese/charcut boards all by myself.

I'm a bit of a traditionalist with italian food and béchamel is good in lasagna, but not necessarily necessary - there are many regional variations and many don't contain béchamel

these dad anecdotes are odd to me as my dad was so serious about not wasting food that he'd eat pieces of steak and side salad that I had partially chewed, gagged, and spit out.

and i've gone from curious about béchamel in lasagna to i absolutely must try béchamel in lasagna

I am reading all about bechamel in lasagne now and have come to the conclusion that it's best if it's well integrated and subtle. I think a lot of restaurants/markets cheap out on cheese and just slather it in there.

I will never allow bechamel to get into my lasagna.

I suspect that many people who think they have never tried bechamel on lasagne have in fact tried bechamel on lasagne.

i’ve only ever made lasagna with bechamel
it’s the way my mum made it & the way i like it best

red sauce + ricotta lasagna just doesnt ever feel as substantial as a good rustic meat sauce + bechamel

and per outdoor miner - the bolognese sauce is thick, and the bechamel is thick, it’s not a soupy mess at all. maybe a ~little~ runny on the first night but once the leftovers set up in the fridge overnight it’s 👌🏻

many have in fact tried colombian decaffeinated coffee crystals

Many have in fact tried cocaine.

People who order extra sauce on pizza *shudder*...I think I have issues with too much sauce. I sense a pattern.

my partner once ordered extra sauce for everybody's pizza without asking anyone. there was an awkward initial sampling of the pizza wherein I kept wondering aloud why the pizza was so saucy and bad before she finally admitted her crime. she thought it wouldn't be noticeable and was apparently mortified that I kept talking about how saucy the pizza was to everyone.

Rasaucenikov

It's a good point that recooked lasagne > freshly made

a few years ago my grandfather lovingly cooked hot dogs for the whole family.
he also DRESSED them for everybody. and he included MAYONNAISE!

man, pre-dressed dogs. what a time saver. UNFORGIVABLE

no you don't understand he dressed them all the same, with everything

the first part was the sarcasm and the last part was sincere

i am on your side

lol sorry

my partner once ordered extra sauce for *everybody's pizza without asking anyone*.

tbf nobody was expressing a strong opinion on toppings, and i think it was a gambit to impress everyone with her ordering skills. she was just the only one who liked extra sauce. she is also my favorite person, though, so the others maybe (probably?) haven't moved on.

The next time I want to get fired from a job I might try repeatedly ordering pizza with extra, extra sauce for everyone.

what is wrong w sauce, sauce is good, the more the better. is it because it makes it too gloopy? i had a friend who would order pizzas "well done" because he felt, with some justification, that the middles of most pizzas are too gloopy

I’m on board with extra sauce and have been known to inflict it on others.

if you want pizza sauce just eat spoonfuls of sauce, I've never had a pizza and thought "I wish there were about twice as much pizza sauce on here"

"it would be great if instead of sitting between the bread and the cheese, the sauce were oozing out on my fingers"

a few years ago my grandfather lovingly cooked hot dogs for the whole family.
he also DRESSED them for everybody. and he included MAYONNAISE!

― brimstead, Friday, March 23, 2018 10:36 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love mayo on hot dogs - based on going on vacation to chile as a child and that being a thing there

http://www.tipicochileno.cl/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/completo11.jpg

For some weird reason I associate extra sauce with the 1980s. Like, not knowing any better.

Ugh, I am in Chile now and the mayo is out of control here.

pizzeria uno used to offer "extra oil" for 50c

Ugh, I am in Chile now and the mayo is out of control here.

― Yerac, Friday, March 23, 2018 11:09 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

chilean food is weird. i have a strong affection for it but i hesitate to describe it as good

Roberta's has on every table their bottle of hot oil. It's super good.

The food in general in Chile is very average. They don't like spices.

It probably depends on how sweet and acidic the pizza sauce is tbh. Ideally, a pizzeria has some idea of the balance between the sweet/sour/dairy and has already chosen the correct proportions for you.

The food in general in Chile is very average. They don't like spices.

― Yerac, Friday, March 23, 2018 11:11 AM (sixteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i mean i guess merken and aji chileno appear here and there but yeah, in general quite bland. i like the seafood and the bread i guess

When we have people over, I make everything super basic and put all the spices, herbs on the side.

For every bechamel-in-lasagna person, I beg you to try this instead just once.

4T butter, a small onion or a couple of shallots minced fine, 3T flour, 2C milk, 2 egg yolks, 1C grated parmesan cheese.
Soften onions in butter; blend in the flour, then the cheese; whisk in the milk and cook/stir until it's the thickness of heavy cream; temper the beaten yolks with some sauce and add it all back to the pot; cover and cook on very low for 10 minutes.

Your lasagna will be in the oven going OMG THANK YOU before you pull it out.

chilean food is weird. i have a strong affection for it but i hesitate to describe it as good

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Friday, March 23, 2018 1:10 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah my limited experience with it was very unimpressive, esp since, like, it's upside down california the food there should be insanely good

I figure it's because the water is so salty/minerally it's destroyed everyone's tastebuds, that a lot of stuff is just starting to get imported, the milk/cheese situation is stupid and the traditional food is pretty bland.

They do put bechamel in their lasagna here too. It's bad.

this is a picture of locos mayo which is probably my favourite dish. this looks utterly revolting

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/2588977.jpg

I have never seen this before. That looks terrible.

genuinely the worst looking food i have ever seen my god

I've never had it when it looked that bad tbh, but almost all the images on google look just about as terrible as that one

Pastel de Choclo is one of the weirdest things I have ever eaten. Who would have thought a mashup between chicken stew and creme brulee would be so awful? (Said no-one ever.)

I was watching an Anthony Bourdain on Chile and he goes to Fuentes Alemana which is supposed to have the most amazing lomito. I ordered it with half mayo because otherwise they put a huge scoop on top. I should've gotten the full mayo because it was seriously very bland. I wonder how many times he has average food and is just too nice to say anything.

i love the fuente alemana - well did i suppose as i haven't eaten meat in 5 years - and would usually get the chacarero. i find that the meat you get in chile can be quite bland as well tbh, like bistek a lo pobre is a boring and bad bit of meat with a fried egg on it

I had a conger eel a lo pobre the other day. It was ok. I was at Liguria the other day and got a pernil sandwich ( I only sometimes eat meat when I go out in Chile. It was so gristly and bland I took it home and recut the meat and added more stuff to it.

Every food opinion is controversial to someone.

I don't like Korean food very much. I think it's bad.

now THAT's the kind of content i came to this thread for

My dad is from a neighboring country to Chile & he puts mayo on hot dogs too. terrifying.

Ugh, I am in Chile now and the mayo is out of control here.

― Yerac, Friday, March 23, 2018 2:09 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it really is

not a fan of chilean food. all the good shit they ripped from peruvian cuisine lol

I think Korean food is way overpriced for what it is. I think I only like kimchee. All the filipino food I have had has been disgusting.

ceviche, lomito, even a goddamn pisco sour is all better in peru

man i fuckin love korean food

Someone who was fairly "worldly", half asian/french was telling me about an awesome fried chicken place in Santiago. She took me and I totally trusted her, forgetting that ultimately she was chilean. It was basically bland chicken nuggets served with mayo.

the only cuisines I don’t much like are not controversial eg british

The pisco sour is 10xs better in peru but I like any mix drink with egg whites. I kind of think the ceviche is the same in both, but we make our white fish ceviche a lot and never go for the mariscos mixtos.

The empanadas in chile are also dire.

!!!

i like empanadas de pino :( also the queso

They are basic. The empanadas in Peru and Argentina are much better.

probably I’m the only one on ilx who has opinions about bolivian food

I like it

Oh, is that where your dad is from? The last time I tried to go to Bolivia there was a surprise visa that I didn't know about so we just went to the atacama instead.

Korean noodle and rice dishes all kind of suck. The only thing fun is doing the barbecue.

controp: any pupusa is better than any burrito

most south americans know chilean food doesn't exist

if chilean food didn't exist chileans would have to invent it

canadian and us cuisine is basically junk/garbage food

british food doesn't exist either

indian food is junk food as well

hm those are all i can think of for now

indian food is junk food as well

― F# A# (∞), Friday, March 23, 2018 2:19 PM (thirty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

controversial

I could eat indian food every meal of the week. Mmmmm.

There are a couple of very good traditional chilean restaurants with a modern twist, near fine dining. And chile does kind of have near the only real wine game in Latin America save for Argentina who got saved by malbec and torrontes.

o ya

to balance things out, definitely give props to chilean (and argentinean) wine

peruvian wine is really bad, tastes like sweet grape juice or something

don't mean to restart the war of the pacific

indian food is junk food as well

― F# A# (∞), Friday, March 23, 2018 2:19 PM (thirty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think this counts as an opinion

I don't like burgers. They all taste the same, like nothing, just some overcooked meat in stodgy bread. Just tried a five guys burger to see if it was any different, it was just like a McDonalds burger, but bigger, what is the point. French fries are also boring. I mean I get McDonalds and Burger King is cheap and convenient, but why would anyone want to spend more than £5 on this stuff I really cannot understand

because it's everywhere

I think 95% of hamburgers are kind of terrible too. Eating crappy overdone ground meat for no reason.

Steaks are also boring. Thirty mouthfuls of the same mediocre taste and texture. But people seem to genuinely enjoy eating them.

I like steak tartar and i like steak rare and in small quantities.

i love burgers

my preference is rare/bloody meats, but i'll eat them if i know it's from a good quality source, and this is rarely the case

one thing i love about japan is their meats, i'll eat almost raw japanese meats and eggs any time

almost all*

I'm sorry, you said Indian food was junk so your mouth is obviously broken in some way.

i mean doesn't mean i don't eat it or like it

If you cut down on the ghee or oil when making it, it's actually really healthy.

the only cuisines I don’t much like are not controversial eg british

― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 24 March 2018 8:03 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That’s fighting challops

i don't know if they top the list these days but india is definitely in the top 3 for having the most diabetics per capita

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/India-is-the-diabetes-capital-of-the-world/articleshow/50753461.cms

^ random article but there is a lot of info on it in other articles

we could have a thread just about empanadas

The best are salteñas. La Paz represent

indian food is junk food as well

― F# A# (∞), Friday, March 23, 2018 2:19 PM (thirty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think this counts as an opinion

― brimstead, Friday, March 23, 2018 2:29 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

chilean empanadas not fried and have the beef with raisins and hard-boiled egg? because that is definitely classic.

a bit annoying to assemble, though, because you have to be careful about the number of raisins and bits of egg that sneak into each one.

yeah those are empanadas de pino, i think they're pretty great

some indian food is like dehydrating vegetables at high heat with a bunch of spices and very little oil/ghee. it can be healthy.

also daal seems to be healthy unless there's tons of ghee in the tadka, but adding butter to soup is the best way to move along the healthy/delicious curve

Salteñas are the best

that said, my favorite indian food is fried potato and cheese balls + gravy, so you may have a point

these Salteñas look like calzones. they are huge.

Chilean empanadas have some serious issues with their dough. I've had a lot of bad empanadas here where the dough is way too dense or there is just too much of it.

I also think the bread here is kind of terrible in general. But there is an Eric Kayser near where I live.

too much dough is my problem with them

saltenas are meaaaty

i have the same problem with non-mexican tamales -- too much dough

i love that mexican tamales are like 50% meat

xpost if all the ingredients for pupusas were as prevalent or as easy as burritos I would probably prefer pupusas.

totally agree about burgers and steaks, not my thing at all. I love other meat but those are boring

empanada dough is delicious. it is full of lard and butter. it is delicious pie crust.

Some empanada dough. #notallempanadadough

I just showed my spouse a pic of locos mayos. He said "it looks chilean."

Look, this lady has made lasagna without bechamel, looks just lovely, very authentic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT5llaBYrQA

MOLTO BENE

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o8doT9BL7dgtolp7O/giphy.gif

"I'm so pleased to have found this channel. This is what Lasagna should be about: meat, tomato puree and mince with onions. No bechamel sauce, no cheese and no herbs to confuse the taste buds. I like my food to simply exist in my mouth without drawing attention to it's self by having flavour. "

flavor is the worst

why go to all this trouble when soylent has already been invented, is my question

One would think restaurants that serve steak sandwiches would've figured out by now that the steak needs to be cut up into tiny pieces. FFS, such a waste.

i'll be on the front lines of the cilantro-backlash backlash

I don't quite understand parsley. I don't think I have the magic touch in the things I make with it.

I have tried putting a thin steak between bread and yeah that doesn't really work

I think the best steak I had on my Argentina vacation was a steak sandwich that was a thin steak on a roll, actually

Did they cut it so thin that it was easy to tear when biting into the sandwich?

CUT MY STEAK INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LUNCH REQUEST

burgers aren't that good. i don't get em

feel the same way about steak tbh

oh gah, I think burgers are way way overrated. But this goes back to that burger vs pizza poll.

But I also don't care for rice, potatoes, soups, stews and chocolate...

I have previously said that I don't care for any burgers or steak and have been told that I haven't had a decent burg or steak yet, this may happen again.

I would guess that someone who doesn’t care for average steak would care even less for very good steak

I have had delicious burgers and steaks but it is probably 3-5% of the ones I have had in my life. Most are pretty bleh.

I think I just got irrationally angry at the amount of bad burgers I have had in my life.

I feel like most of the time i know when I'm ordering a good burger.

If I order a mediocre burger it's usually scratching a meat craving itch and I know what I'm getting (or not getting rather).

Rarely order steak out. Just so easy to do well at home, and there's always tends to be something more interesting on the menu.

Totally agreed on steak

I may have agreed with you guys re: burgers until the past weekend. I was working at an outdoor food festival and an neighboring vendor brought us over a tray of burgers. The tray sat there about 30 mins then I picked one up and... omg. Transcendence. Fresh, quality beef cooked about medium with a great smoky/bbq taste. Two slices of american melted on top. Only other ingredient was just a few wisps of sliced red onion. Not even sure there were any liquid condiments. I hadn't had a great one in a while, but a burger can best the BEST THING.

here's a link to it https://www.star-telegram.com/living/food-drink/4q4uze/picture59353176/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1140/Knife_Modern_Steak_09

Yeah im a burger guy

A good burger is orgasmic

But i love blood and i love meat

So a combo of both those things lathered all over me and I’m golden

I love blood but most burgers are overcooked, seasonless, too huge pieces of meat. Burgers just remind me of depressed divorced dads, whack barbecues and fat-strong beardnecks.

You’re goin to the wrong places

Man nyc is shittier than i thought

I've had some amazing burgers but like I said too much of the majority are blech. Like... it's food...congrats.

The last good burger I had was during a pub quiz in Feb. It had a fried egg and blood pudding on it. The piece of meat was secondary.

Yer come to california we treat u rite

If I was in CA I would eat a burrito. Burritos are far superior to hamburgers.

Apparently there are more taco places than burrito places in california

How do u like yr burrito

love burritos but they cannot acheive a burgers juicy hot greasy cheesy umami

I had a carnitas burrito today. I always have them skimp on the rice although that makes my burrito a little soggy diapery. I get everything on it. And extra hot sauce.

Rice is so useless. Except in sushi. And I guess for sake.

a good burger is better than a good burrito
but i am a ride or die redmeat carnivore

Pork wet burrito w everything on it for me

But yeah i would probably choose a burger between the two for the most part

I can still really get into a wet burrito though

mr veg loves wet burritos
i find them horrifyingly enormous & overkill

OH man, I thought wet burritos were something that I just had to deal with, I didn't know people preferred it.

Ladies...

A man eats a wet burrito

they are the size of a newborn infant! terrifying

Wait is a wet burrito a size thing? I once ate two burritos from Burritoville on a dare. It was the last time my now spouse ever dared me to do something because neither one of us were really winners from that.

I am trying to think of something I would eat a hamburger over. Maybe a baked potato or fried rice.

wet burritos are just sauced, what are any of you on about

also isn't the baby-sized burrito a specifically bay area thing (the mission burrito)? new mexican burritos are small and basically just one ingredient throughout ("hand-held")

at our taqueria an unwrapped wet burrito is twice as wide as a wrapped burrito because they wrap em really tight & they are full of stuff

idk about authentic or nothing tho

The ones in LA/California are usually big (idk, 5 inches?), have red or green sauce, and melted cheese on top

Inside there’s usually rice, beans, meat, and sometimes lettuce/tomato/guac

The wet burritos in Vancouver, Canada are small and mild like most things in Vancouver and not common

My burrito today I had to stand up in it's wrapper/foil and needed a spoon assist.

wait what the hell is an unwrapped burrito

not wrapped in foil

ahhhh ok

Xp to yerac

5x3” maybe

U kno what

Here this is from a pretty good place to get a wet burrito in LA — tepeyac in boyle heights:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CH0vIurpTgI/TNM9MW1iteI/AAAAAAAAAGA/axfQgyWN90E/s1600/P1030094.JPG

I’m on phone but that looks like the one

Other faves are Tere’s on melrose/cahuenga

And for something a little heavier El Coyote

Damn i miss LA food

I don't ever see it with sauce on top, but that size seems right. I don't think I would like the outer wrap all wet.

Tortilla yo

Get outta here w “wrap”

unwrap the diaper.

a wet burrito by definition has the sauce on top!

why would you want a burrito covered in sauce

on the outside

The covered in sauce thing seems like something a Chili's would do.

Xxxp

It’s an LA thing bro

A bunch of these things are called wet but they vary in size and sometimes they don’t add cheese on it

Look at the pics on tepeyac’s or coyote’s yelp page

I thought LA people try not to poop.

wet burritos can be good. sauce is usually a good thing wherever it is.

why would you want a burrito covered in sauce

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:07 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i likeah the sauce

the sauce is good

my take on burritos: i'm all set

Extra sauce on anything is pretty terrible.

although this may be why i don't like soups or stews.

it isnt extra. It is the sauce.

wasn't there a thread about the weirdos who get extra sauce on pizza?

I had never heard of a wet burrito until I moved to the 🇺🇸 midwest. but it can be good nonetheless

I was surprised to find them out here after moving from the midwest

just not ground beef

not liking soup is a crime. Do you like ramen?

she intersting

I like ramen and udon but I always do the bukkake *sigh* style. And if I make instant ramen at home I pour out the broth.

Dont know how I missed this thread first go round.

I WILL EAT BECHAMEL ON ITS OWN OUT OF THE POT.

But I have to have made it myself obv. And it has to be spoon-standing thick. Comparing it to mayo upthread was utterly weird. Bechamel has no eggs* or vinegar in it.

*yes I have seen lasagne/bake recipes where it does.

Bukkake style is okay but i prefer nyumen, and then soumen

I like the coldness of somen and the dipping. I prefer cold noodles.

rice is so useless

Maybe once, it was a persian saffron chicken dish.

Rice is just, whatever. I am not one of those asians that eats it every day to feel complete.

Bukkake style is okay

I like the coldness of somen

A small double take there.

Japanese rice is the best in the world and if you have some fancy rice in japan, the difference is totally noticeable — it just tastes that much better

It’s hard to eat white rice in north american asian restaurants after getting used to the fancy stuff

I've been to Japan for a month. The rice is fine. I've been to Taiwan for in total maybe 6 months of my life. The rice is fine. Blech.

Lasagna with bechamel should be called bukkake style. I hate having to order ramen bukkake in american restaurants even though it's on the menu.

Lasagna with bechamel should be illegal.

Plenty of Japanese mostly skip the soup part of ramen, e.g. at Jiro-style places.

I’ve literally had like a dozen types of rice all different quality in the course of a a couple months and if you can’t tell the difference you’re 1 mixing it with other stronger flavors and/or 2 you haven’t had someone to guide you through the differences in flavor

It’s like wine in some ways

No, I get it. I still don't like rice.

Fair

That said I am going to eat the shit out of some handrolls today. I actually make good sushi rice. Rice is still trash though.

Fuck u hurt my feelings

Rice is even good to eat when exercising

I eat rice everyday btw ✊

Brown on weekdays tho

I am staying with my singaporean friend and he keeps making me daily rice even though i have explicitly stated over the last decade that I hate rice. We joke about it and then make a date to have the same conversation the next day.

What about korean purple rice ugh

🤤

Even when I was in India I passed on the rice every single time.

And fuck risotto. Waste of cheese and time.

Can’t take this much h8

Since I moved back from China I cannot get used to the rice in the UK, its all dry, flavourless long-grain stuff. The only acceptable stuff in supermarkets is the Thai fragrant rice, and even that isn't really what I want. Luckily we have a Korean shop not far off, and I just buy bags of imported "sushi rice" these days, that will do. My wife, who has eaten rice every day in her life, does not care for rice of any sort, but has been buying basmati as it is a change at least, but unless it's used in chaofan I find it a bit of a slog to eat.

Give your wife a hi-five for me. She knows what's up.

Basmati rice is like the mcdonalds of rice jesus christ

I feel for u man

We agree 90% about food, but that other 10% we really don't agree on. We can't have risotto in the house because it's "Italian pigswill rice" apparently, and I am not allowed to make any sort of lasagne as she views it as an abomination.

And fuck risotto. Waste of cheese and time.

― Yerac, Friday, October 12, 2018 10:59 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

risotto is trash, agreed

rice is good though

Basmati rice is like the mcdonalds of rice jesus christ

lol no

risotto is trash, agreed

― marcos, Friday, 12 October 2018 15:09 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this thread is too hot and I would like to announce that I am leaving the kitchen

I have had amazing risotto before, but most have been awful, get the ingredients or timings wrong and it's a disaster.

you've got your chicken, your cheddar broccoli, your herb & butter. Whole world of rice out there. Amazing that it's all grown in san francisco.

Rice is incredible & risotto is a top dish, what the hell is going on here.

Rice in burritos is trash though, fuck SF

Yeah, I always try to leave the rice out of burritos. I did try to make one of those ramen burritos once but it wasn't great.

The rice (eg basmati) you get in america is grown in california

Japan buys that rice in container loads

To feed to their animals

Because it’s not meant for japanese human consumption

Good enough for americans to hail as good rice for a nice warm meal

#fastfoodnation

Unless it’s the imported the stuff of course

I avoid risotto because it's almost always shit, but that's more down to British cooking, nothing against the dish in principle

The rice (eg basmati) you get in america is grown in california

you know there are shops that sell basmati from a variety of places. have you ever been to an indian or pakistani market?

Not only have i been

I used to cook indian food like a couple times a week for a few years

I don’t like basmati but I didn’t realize it until i tried a variety of japanese rices

I like basmati just fine but yeah it’s only since I started going to Japan regularly that I’ve really come to appreciate rice. We have a Zojirushi for it now. The Japanese rice we get here for a reasonable price is Italian, but it’s been judged ok by Japanese rice masters or whatever so shrug it’s good

Rice from the Camargue is our local staple. We cook it by frying the grains first in a bit of oil and then when they turn golden brown add the water. Boiled rice is IMO inedible but this way, which I learned from my South American dad, is stupendous.

yes euler that is the best way

each grain coated in oil

i get good results doing the pilaf style toasting in fat and then using more water with basmati. i rinse jasmine and don't use oil or as much water, and that is also good.

The rice (eg basmati) you get in america is grown in california

Japan buys that rice in container loads

To feed to their animals

Because it’s not meant for japanese human consumption

Good enough for americans to hail as good rice for a nice warm meal

#fastfoodnation

― F# A# (∞), Friday, October 12, 2018 8:44 AM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this doesn't seem to be true. anyway price, nationalism, and expectation built on experience do some work here.

feeling v triggered by all this rice hate

it seems that japanese do import a fair amount of calrose from california for use in food because it is the correct grain size.

xxp

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-rice-trade-20150611-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/business/worldbusiness/23rice.html

you're reading that other calrose rice article wrong btw

those links basically say that the situation has more to do with price manipulation than a disgust with california rice

i also don't support growing rice in drought stricken california, though

this thread is like cơm tấm but where the soul, not the grain, of rice has been fractured

whites on rice

that thing asians do when they disparage white rice

^ like 5 east asians ever

those links basically say that the situation has more to do with price manipulation than a disgust with california rice

― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, October 12, 2018 9:51 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you obviously have never spent enough time talking to japanese people about japanese grown food vs foreign grown food

lol that doesn't mean they're correct!

No one is arguing they’re correct

But japanese find US rice gross so the japanese gov’t find ways to use imported rice strategically and sometimes pressuring/fooling them into eating it

perhaps I misunderstood, but you seemed to be posting that bit about japan importing feed rice to support two of your ideas itt: 1) japanese rice is the best and 2) basmati rice is bad. I am only defending texmati and pointing out that the support of that post is weak and that all rice is good. yerac is the true enemy here. let's not be distracted by infighting fellow rice lover.

Nah dawg

They are two separate statements

I understand it’s subjective and this is the food controp thread so yeah


We gucci yo

Coucous is also trash. pellet carbs are for the elderly.

couscous must be the simplest thing in the world to cook, which is nice

yeah i like it

my controversial opinion is that icecream & cake is only acceltable if the cake is warm/hot

if it’s just like, room temperature or cold birthday cake or whatever then NO ICECREAM

yes i am sally from when harry met sally

*acceptable

I think my preference here depends on the type and flavor of cake

for example, warm coconut cake sounds undesirable somehow

are we talking freshly baked warm cake or microwaved cake?

heat sources are irrelevant

cake that you like, whatever flavor, is only good with icecream if the cake is warm

if the cake is cold, throw that scoop of icecream in the trash

that is my stance

throw that scoop of icecream in the trash

rude

does the rule apply to pie?

Pie is far superior to cake.

Can i throw it in my mouth then eat the warm pie

i feel the same way about pie

but cold cake & icecream is specifically a nonstarter for me

if you’ve got a belly for cake AND ice cream then your slice of cake is too small

I have never been served cold cake with ice cream, but that sounds sort of wrong. I guess you don't like ice cream with jelly.

not really unless i can mix them together & make icecream & jelly mush

…ice cream with jelly?

OMG I love cake sooo much, I could literally eat all the cake in the world. I'm basically the cake monster. get in my belly!

Jelly as in jello. Kids party favourite in the UK, no adult would be seen eating it

…ice cream with jell-o?

I had no idea that was even a thing!

I mean, it's basically a kids version of a trifle I guess. But trifle is the worst pudding anyway, so it has no sympathy from me.

Who the fuck puts jello in a cake

Nobody as far as I'm aware

I really love trifle, but maybe because I am not british.

Looks too fancy for me

I’m a pie guy

Simple

There is nothing fancy about a trifle. Just horrible wrong nasty ladyfinger biscuits soaked in sherry, instant custard, tinned peaches and spray cream with sprinkles.

i want piiiiiiie

Oh and jelly(o) of course

xp

pie

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xpost, ok maybe I have only had bourgie trifle because what you describe is not what I have had.

ew ew ewwww

*so* gross! OMG

get in the sea, pie-bap

Can we ban imago again already

I am heading to The English Seaside in a couple of weeks and look forward to puddings and pies of all sorts

So much to catch up on.

On Ramen, dipping is definitely the way to go so tsukumen for me. Although faced with the choice between ramen and good soba, then soba every time. Good soba has to be high buckwheat content or what’s the point.

I don’t really eat rice at hope due to low carb dieting but, in China or Japan I eat much more and love it. On my most recent trip I ate more brown rice and rice and beans than I have before. Japanese rice and beans or the Taiwanese/Japanese rice with beans and grains like sorghum is wonderful. Ochazuke and bubazuke ftw, btw.

I will defend trifle to the death but it has to be well made, lots of booze, fruit and ridiculously rich custard. If you are going to chill custard then it needs to be slightly over sweet when warm. Jam in the trifle sponges. Jelly does not belong in Trifle, why would you spoil something so wonderful with flavourless plastic.

On the cake question - of course no ice cream with cake or cream for that matter, cake ought to stand up on its own. Custard, ice cream and cream belong with pies and tarts.

Jello is bone and animal hide gelatin foolio

OMG f# you are such a negative ninny! i ain't goin' nowhere, darlin' *snaps fingers*

Yeah, the trifle I have had has been magnificent.

xp

try out your new posting style here

i've been snacking on some amazing sassafras-flavored gelatin gummies this week but i think in the future we're going to try and move to the vegan/kosher/halal gelatin for making such things

I feel like the should start offering pot gummies on flights.

I got a bento box yesterday for lunch. I ate half of the rice. I was very proud.

is it a controversial opinion that prime rib is terrible? it's my opinion.

I kind of think 80% of what people think is well cooked meat is terrible.

yeah I think I've had really good steak like one time ever, and it's not for lack of trying (or spending). & it was at a professor's house, not even at a resto! ok maybe once at a resto in Marseille.

I like meat "in" things but not really as a main dish.

I enjoy prime rib on rare occassions but it's too expensive

Overcooked meat is as bad as past al dente pasta for me. I think I like most of my food on the way undercooked to raw side.

Or unless it's brisket or something like that that needs to be dripping off the bone. I need to go find some brisket now.

re. meat that is not controversial I think?

I hate undercooked rice, the crunchy core disgusts me

All of rice is disgusting. There is no saving it. Although I do like rice pudding. I used to eat uncooked oatmeal as a kid with just a little milk.

German, American and Asian types of link sausages are generally disgusting as well.

dang I love lap xuong but I'm the only one in my family who does
I don't know what american link sausages are, as opposed to like hot dogs?

American link sausages are likely bastardized versions of italian, polish, german etc. And then those weird sausages that they put in a spiral with skewers keeping them together so you can put it on the grill? I think there is a word for those?

There is definitely an emoji for those

ok I don't know those, maybe it's an east coast thing? the sausage I got in the dumb midwest was generally as on par with what I get in central Europe. (I don't think French sausage types really exist in the usa, just maybe louisiana versions which are quite their own thing)

Oh they are called sausage rings. blech.

Scottish Lorne sausage ftw

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRf4PjFtaSqojmmeQxV2uuaHzP764MSw5REhyooEXOcZR2eDbTn

I used to buy frozen lorne sausage as it was easily the cheapest meat available at asda circa 1998

Is that spam

looks delicious!

I would eat that.

And then those weird sausages that they put in a spiral with skewers keeping them together so you can put it on the grill? I think there is a word for those?

I think these are basically Italian? I mean the quality depends on the meatcutter or company that made them but generally I think the spiral form is an Italian thing.

Italian sausage is my least favorite sausage by a wide margin.

the cold cuts are much better

but love a good sausage and peppers with grilled polenta cake

Italian sausage and kielbasa are in a fite for the worst. And those weird smoked beef U shaped things sold in supermarkets.

dumb midwest

<3 euler

Those Dominic's Italian Sausage trucks... *shudder*.

We should do a sausage poll

please bro u just looking for another opportunity to dick-wave like u've been doing all over this board for the past few weeks

Wow dude if my bulge swings wildly bc of its size it doesnt mean i deserve such hostility

Plus I genuinely love sausages and have opinions about them

I like kielbasa! It's smoked.

I especially hate the fresh kielbasa. The smoked is slightly better.

oh, I just remembered that you are from michigan. Of course you like kielbasa.

Pity your big old dick can’t help your inferiority complex ey.

Andouille is my jam

And chorizo of course

Lotsa overly salty sausages itt btw

Tell you what - I've never been to the USA, but I spent most of my adulthood in China, and very familiar with the few overpriced western grocery stores in major cities which only had US stuff, a little Australian, maybe a few French things, never anything from the UK. The sausages and bacon were always pre-cooked. Literally was unable to buy raw bacon or sausages at all. Is this a refrigeration / transport issue or are these things generally pre-cooked?

precooked bacon is available but it is a comedy product aimed at miserable people. precooked microwavable frozen breakfast sausage is probably somewhat more popular. Hot dogs are fully cooked. Otherwise, no.

Yeah i mean there are a lot of butcher shops in america

I feel like the hipsterization of america has brought back the butcher as a cool dude

Oddly enough I am a fan of precooked bacon (esp the trader joe's one). I am super lazy about making food in the morning and like breakfast burritos with hot sauce (and bacon when feeling decadent). Cooking bacon is way too annoying, especially in a house full of vegans/vegetarians.

For lunch today I am having cheetos, a 7 layer italian cookie, ice coffee, and a churro flavored protein powder. I need to get the f out of ny.

nem nuong is good sausage

I never really liked kielbasa but there's a not dissimilar French sausage called saucisse de Montbéliard and it is really really fantastic when cooked in red wine all day, and I wonder if the same would work with kielbasa.

because I live in a heavily muslim quartier I can't really get good sausage close by (i.e. within half a kilometer) so we uh had hot dogs for dinner tonight. no they are not in any way better than american hot dogs, but they are just fine nonetheless.

here's a Controversial Food Opinion: Pringles are the best mass-market potato chips

I agree. I am not a huge fan of potato chips, but I like pringles (and those pickle flavored or balsamic flavored ones).

At a school I was working at this year they had switched to beef sausages because they had some Muslim students, and they were a vast improvement from the cheap bangers they had before, if a bit too salty.

yeah I can get some Turkish beef sausages but they're not widely popular here. I should say that merguez are easily available in my quartier & we eat them not infrequently but they're more spiced and thus more limited in application.

Jesus i mean I’m all for options

God have mercy on me the day I can’t have my pork

Square sausage, or lorne beef sausage, is one of the only things I get homesick for, with a nice floury bap and liberal brown sauce.

oh, I just remembered that you are from michigan. Of course you like kielbasa.

― Yerac, Thursday, October 18, 2018 5:52 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Girl I grew up with Dutch and Swedish ppl, their food is gross. I had kielbasa for the first time in Jersey City!

pringles are vile you weirdos

Australia, for all its British, Irish and Italian heritage really can’t do sausages well. Beef sausages are the staple and not good, bacon, is very much lacking and the Italian sausages seem somewhat dry. Maybe Australian pigs aren’t fat enough.

Best way to test that is to make your own sausages imo

https://66.media.tumblr.com/3263a7e7a6ee26a3e469e356043b5910/tumblr_oxpwo2NAYf1sxouzno1_500.gifv

das dutchman essenhaus employee?

It’s hard when you have to befriend a piggy and you know you’re gonna have to kill it tho

if you don't cook bacon you don't get to pour out the fat into a container you keep in your fridge for Future Uses so massive DUD imo

here's a Controversial Food Opinion: Pringles are the best mass-market potato chips

― droit au butt (Euler)

they're great but i'm not sure they qualify even for the low standards of "potato chips".

If it’s not a cooked cross section of an intact potato it’s not a potato chip

^Real Talk

Grams making no bones about it

It's true that Pringles are Not Real Food but they recently had a short lived Brazilian BBQ flavour which erased my willpower the second I tasted it. If it was still available I would weigh 300 lb and live in a pile of non-recyclable silvered cardboard tubes.

Pringles are basically resultant paste, right.

more of a machine-extruded slurry. resultant paste is more personal.

Pringles are like wafer thin savory cookies made out of flour, potatoes and seasonings. Not a potato chip. I do find them good personally tho

I never even thought about how pringles are not really potato chips. This is probably why I like them.

How we can talk about compositional authenticity on a thread where we’re talking about sausage

That only makes sense as a critique if sausages are to be construed as a mechanized simulation of an actual intestine

I do really love boudin noir.

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Pringles also rule because they are minimal surfaces.

posts very much in character?

kringle still the best 'ringle, though

Fo shingle