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Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

1. BEAUTY AND THE BEAST #1

This was a mini-series back when mini-series were 'special'. It is by Ann Nocenti and somebody who can't draw. It is about the Dazzler (i.e. the beauty) and CAN YOU GUESS WHO 'THE BEAST' IS? Oh. You can. This level of subtlety is sustained throughout the comic - Dazzler is lured into the more decadent side of the Hollywood Idyll, this entails her drinking some drugged champagne and becoming Evil while an Evil Guy goes heh heh.

The best bit of the comic is a section featuring Dr Doom in his 'art room' where he goes to remind himself that man is indeed capable of beauty! The art in the art room is all atrocious (NB this is not intentional as far as I can tell), Dr Doom especially likes a statue of a man taming a horse which he got from the back of Reader's Digest.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to start buying awful comics from the quarter bin for the sake of ILC'ing them.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

The one positive to Beauty and the Beast was it was Marvel's first real portrayal of mutants who were neither superheroes nor supervillains nor even particularly super. It was years before they really re-acknowledged that with more than a sentence saying "there are mutants who are not superheroes/villains," possibly because B&B was so crappy in other respects.

(Especially the art, from what I remember; that dour, unpleasant art during one of those times at Marvel when anything unpleasant looking was therefore Serious.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

2. JUBILEE #1

New ongoing Marvel series starring her-out-of-X-Men-with-the-firework-hands, you know, the one who Claremont brought in when Kitty Pryde had turned legal gone to another comic. As is apparently typical for Marvels nowadays this features very little action and lots of talking, this is because comics are apparently meant to be like TV shows, or because comics writers want to be TV writers or, well, I don't know why but it doesn't make for particularly interesting reading. Jubilee moves to a new high school and makes friends, things proceed EXACTLY as you'd expect. The dialogue is good, for what that's worth (little in my book, reading comics should not be like reading plays) - but the art is nice, there are a couple of funny moments, it makes Jubilee likeable for the first time ever (just as well if they're giving her a solo series) and I will admit that despite myself I'm interested in why her aunt is building a sniper rifle. Took five minutes to read, not bad.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah the non-super mutants thing hadn't really shown up in #1 Tep, a flick through #2 suggests that you're right though.

The art isn't unpleasant exactly, at least not in that sub-Sienkiewicz way I think you mean. It's just kind of rubbish, like somebody actually trying to imitate Al Milgrom.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Jubilee was great on the animated series. I think.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

B&B art was by Valiant mainstay (& former Defenders artiste) Don Perlin.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, I scare myself, too.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I wasn't gonna say it, man.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought MORE old comics today. I was in the neighbourhood...got issues #50 and 51 of the Ostrander Suicide Squad, something called Armegeddon Inferno that has Guy Gardner and Lobo on the cover, a Justice League Europe where half the characters are wearing really lame costumes, Green Lantern Corps #220 which is the first Millennium crossover issue (which I probably still have from in a box in my parents' garage, but who wants to risk talking to my parents?), and America Vs the Justice Society #1, which I've never actually seen a copy of before, but has probably the coolest cover ever!
I've only read the Suicide Squad so far, and they are very cool. I read the odd issue back in the day, and Deadshot is like Han Solo and Boba Fett rolled into one.
I didn't realize Nemesis was in the Squad!

Huk-L, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 05:35 (nineteen years ago) link

3. FANTASTIC FOUR VS X-MEN #1-4

If you too feel a tremor of unease when you hear the dread words "saggy, baggy elephant" then you also read this series when young - in fairness I remembered this as being one of the better Claremont stories, and in fairness - it is! It has solid characterisation, a couple of credible moral dilemmas, a good take on Dr Doom (him again!!), too much Franklin but oh well. On the re-read the main thing I noticed is how incredibly flimsy the MacGuffin is, i.e. when Reed is confronted with 'his diary' which directly contradicts his memory of events why does he - OR ANYBODY!! - not say 'yes it's probably forged, let's use our amazing technology to see eh?' rather than 'OMG WHAT IF IT IS TEH TRUTH'. But that didn't spoil a good yarn for me when I was 13 and it doesn't spoil one now. The script is High Claremont - words by the kilo - the art I can't remember much about except it was surprising how many panels have me that whack of teenage recognition.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 08:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually even the script seems a bit embarrassed by its own contortions on the diary thing, there's a great bit at the end where the Invis. Wom. goes "Hmm yes I have been racking my brain to think who knows Reed really well and wants to destroy him and would do this evil thing who could it be yes who"

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link

...it was surprising how many panels have me that whack of teenage recognition...

I can clearly picture most of the panels featuring Franklin talking to phase-state Kitty Pryde in that containment chamber, and the way she began to dissipate. (Art by Jon Bogandove & Terry Austin.) (Stop me before I trivialize again.)

However, I don't remember anything re: a "saggy, baggy elephant", unless it was something involving Kitty & Franklin...?

Tom, are you taking requests? Because your exhumation of the FF/X-Men series brings to mind another team-up mini, X-Men/Avengers, which (from my recollection) was also solid but totally went off the rails "REWRITE!" style in the 4th issue.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

At the moment my p2p seems really poor for getting cbr files but I will see what I can do. I never read that one! I couldn't afford it, it came out at the same time as FF/X-Men.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:51 (nineteen years ago) link

OH SHIT I REMEMBER THE ELEPHANT! Reed, you rascal!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

haha - i've downloaded cbr files and read them becuz i didn't feel like getting dressed and going out to my truck to get the actual comic before

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link

OH MY GOD X-MEN vs FF!!!!!!!!

I am so mad at you for reminding me of the saggy, baggy elephant.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I really really hope it isn't saggy baggy elephant in the same usage that I have heard.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Where do you download comics from? Might be a good way for me to catch up on the last ten years of Marvel, now that I'm out of my Vertigo snob phase.

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

For people whose ISPs provide access to *.binaries newsgroups (schools and the like generally don't), there's alt.binaries.comics or something like that, too (search the groups for *.comics, I might be off on the name). It used to be really, really active -- most of the DC Golden Age stuff I've read, that's where I read it.

You know, we could always trade files back and forth, too, especially those of us with Gmail and/or high speed connections (somewhere I have a CD with the best of the stuff I got from the newsgroups).

I haven't had much luck with .cbr files on K*zaa, but I haven't had much luck with K*zaa in general the past few months.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Also DC++ has some great comics hubs. Just make sure you don't share anything that there's even a remote chance you'll get sued for.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 23 September 2004 06:08 (nineteen years ago) link

WTF I just realized I have 10 gigs of comics!

I've always thought ILX should set up its own WASTE network.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 23 September 2004 06:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Bittorrent'ing is really good for getting comics, try Z-Cult fm

Stewart, Thursday, 23 September 2004 08:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I was just using slsk, with privileges it's pretty good.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 23 September 2004 08:59 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0307160289/102-3571100-8391367?v=glance

MY GOD IT LIVES

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 23 September 2004 10:22 (nineteen years ago) link

0 of 1 people found the following review helpful:

(3 stars) Wow, December 11, 2002
A Kid's Review

When i was a baby my mom use to read this to me its about a elephant who trys to get rid of his bags and sags

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

The Amazingly Rotund and Bareass Spider-Man should probably take a few pointers from that book.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Gmailing comics is a great idea, especially since I haven't really been using p2p for awhile now. Of course, I don't have any cbrs to trade. What program do you need to view them, again?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

OK how does bittorrenting work?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

You need to download a bittorent client (I use ABC, an acronym for Another Bittorrenting Client). You search the web for bittorents (in the places mentioned above - ZCu1t is the place for me), and click on the download link. In my case, when I click on the bittorent download link, it "downloads" a placeholder-type file in my browser (containing info on the torrent), & then I switch to the bittorent client (assuming it's open - I have mine open while I search) to specify where I want these files saved, and then it starts downloading. I haven't D/Led any single issues (tho I did snag the relatively small-sized _Zenith_ & _DR & Quinch_ collections), so my D/L times vary between 8 hrs and a week.

I imagine there might be bittorrent clients out there that allow you to search through the client itself instead of through a browser, but I don't know of any.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

It is useful for "click on one link - get Earth X, Paradise X and Universe X for free!". The downside there...

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, the downside is that you're D/Ling all that Earth X nonsense!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link

That's the one. There is a lot that fits into my "would like to see it, wouldn't like to own it" range (the comics equivalent of Festival Bands), and much of it is rubbish.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Although if you want to gmail it to me, I would like to see it, wouldn't like to own it as well.

I had a pile of .cbr files on my hard drive, including Grant's 'New Adventures Of H1tl3r', but I couldn't find them the other night. Must look harder tonight.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link

One problem I've noticed w/ bittorrenting - you can't check out anything included in an in-progress download. So if you want to make sure, for instance, you're D/Ling the 70s Peter Parker, Spider Man, & not the McFarlane-abetted PPSM thing, you'll have to either go w/ your gut or wait until 2-3 GB on your hard-drive is taken over by PEOPLE WITH NO FEET.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

The first EARTH X is actually pretty good, if you're a) an oldschool Marvel fan and can play spot-the-character and b) if you skip the text passages.

Avoid the others though, as without the John Paul Leon art, much of the appeal evaporates.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, not being able to check as you download can be a hassle, but I haven't found it to be a big problem

Jordan I use CDisplay to view the files: http://www.geocities.com/davidayton/CDisplay

Stewart, Friday, 24 September 2004 08:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Having, shamefully, far too much experience with BitTorrent, I can only say: Use Azureus as your BT client if it at all works for you. You can tweak things a /lot/, and it's all pretty intuitive. It lets you pick and choose which files you want to download from within a torrent, and even lets you set a higher priority to one vs. another. And you can open an individual file as long as it's complete. Though it auto-allocates disk space for the files by default, so you have to tell it not to if you have more of a problem with space than waiting for the DL to complete.

A. Lurker, Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Another option, for posters whose ISPs don't give them access to binaries Usenet groups: usenetbinaries.com. Accounts with download limits ("2MB - 5MB" per day, I don't know how they determine where in that window you sit) are free. Looks good so far.

(I'm using it to get the Opus strip, which isn't carried in any local paper here.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 30 September 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey! Following up Tep's .cbr gEEEEEeemail idea - I am up for it! Hit me backchannel (one more time), and we can start swapping! Wahey!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 30 September 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, how do we want to do that? Is there a way to do like address groups in Gmail so we can just send a msg to "ILC" and email everyone without typing in all the addresses? We should put a list together of everyone who wants in, and everyone can just email the group whenever they get something.

(That's the easiest way to do it, isn't it? No one would be using their bandwidth without meaning to, since it's webmail...)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 30 September 2004 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

4. ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #1

Oh that I have lived to see the day that Marvel puts out stories like this. Plenty happens in UFF#1 but there is no conflict at all (Reed gets his head flushed down the toilet but recovers nicely), nothing except getting Reed from A to B in the most wish-fulfilling style possible. This is my first encounter with Bendis (though I don't know if his style was modified here) and it's pretty annoying, all the cod-naturalism grates, but it does make for a slick read that doesn't talk down to you. Cute enough to make me want to steal the next few issues too. But do I prefer the old-school storytelling Marvel? LET'S SEE.....!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 October 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

BORING ADDENDUM: UFF #1 is a Millar / Bendis collaboration, and not the best place to start if you want Bendis at his best / worst. Anything that really sucked about the first 6 issues of UFF, BTW, I attributed to the former (because I'm like that).

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link

5. SQUADRON SUPREME #1-2

My God time has been unkind to this. Squadron Supreme used to be - entirely seriously - held up on some comics newsgroups as Marvel's equivalent of Watchmen. The first issue takes place AFTER some huge story which happened in some other title (God knows where, they don't tell you) and proceeds to its set-up as directly and bludgeoningly as possible, with the help of various giant captions. Said set-up of course is "superheroes try to create utopia but instead become FASCISTS". Its power is somewhat dimmed by the fact that the same superheroes had just started a world war and also by the fact that like the Krays they only hurt their own - the entire 12-issue series is just a series of fights with 'ethical difference' replacing 'misunderstanding' as the pretext. Godawful.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

6. RUNAWAYS #1-#17

Also includes spidey discussion.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but Tom, if you liked it, you'd just get annoyed with it for not minding its place.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

SS also not helped by the fact that the Squadron's relationship with the JLA makes the Silver Surfer/Black Rider comparison seem a work of blinding originality. Which it is. Er.. Yes, makes the Identity Crisis/Identity Disc comparison etc.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember Squadron Supreme as being grebt when I was smaller but was horrified by those issues (which I never read back then). I might re-read the rest.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how Tom's (spot-on) Runaways post "includes" Spidey discussion the way the human body "includes" water.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

7. SENTINEL #1-7, #8-#11

Another one I pretty much liked. This is what 'decompression' means I take it, stories which should take maybe two issues taking six - but the story is a good one. I appreciate the way that actually things keep getting worse and worse for Our Hero but the comic stays breezy throughout. Liked most of the characters, rooted for OH at the same time as he does stupid things, very much appreciated the fact that the titular Sentinel is in no sense a 'reformed character', liked the moment of Authentic Crush Horror as OH asks crush out despite knowing she has a boyfriend to receive mortifying "I have a boyfriend" response. I can however see why it sold zero copies - this is not an ongoing series in any sense, the premise has a neat beginning middle and end. In the Old Days it would have been solicited as a four-issue mini, probably by Louise Simonson, and done respectably.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom, this is supposed to be about RUB .cbrs, remember? Stop w/ the pleasantries!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I apologise and will as penance this evening read the copy of X-Men: The End #1 I dl'ed.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

NO TOM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

8. X-MEN: THE END VOL #1

There is ONE PANEL of this comic that's good, when a big space ship crashes onto a big alien city. One of the problems with Chris Claremont is that he would have LOVED to be George Lucas, he loves the idea that he is a widescreen space opera imagineer, but all his 'epic starfaring' stories are TOTAL BILGE because he won't generally shut his trap and let the art do the talking. And when he does, as in this one third of a page panel, it looks pretty good.

There are eighteen issues of this to come, it has very little to do with the X-Men so far except that it has the bloody Phoenix in it.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 October 2004 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link

9. SUPREME POWER #1

The Squadron Supreme again. The idea seems to be "OK, if DC won't do an Ultimate JLA, we will!". First issue is effectively downbeat story of 'realistic' approach to Superman's origin - bit gloomy but suspenseful. The editorial at the end is very funny indeed though in its "goodness knows how Roy Thomas came up with THESE characters!" tone. Also the tits-out costume for Power Princess raised a chuckle.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 October 2004 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link

That's JMS, right?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:40 (nineteen years ago) link

10. AMERICA VS THE JUSTICE SOCIETY #1

Couldn't actually finish this Roy Thomas archive-a-thon but if you do see it skip to the editorial page for a larff as Roy finally loses it and makes it plain that he writes comics purely and simply for people who know as much about comics as he does (i.e. EVERYTHING) and if you don't you can fuck off (sorry "you have no sense of history and I don't want you reading my comic" is a closer paraphrase). Evidence A in the "why the Crisis had to happen" pile.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 October 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

11. SUPERMAN/BATMAN #1-6

Sort-of-good team-up comic goes completely off the rails as it becomes clear that the storyline is in place for DC to get rid of President Luthor before election year comes round. How best to do this? Through subtle yet punchy storytelling? NO NO NO. Instead let's have Luthor get hooked on Bane Venom and initiate hugely contrived anti-Superman initiative (viz - Superman is bringing a HUGE Kryptonite asteroid to Earth to kill us all, yes indeed because we know how much Superman likes that kryptonite, ahem) (OK actually maybe the population of the DCU don't know about kryptonite but it's still rub). Much glee as Luthor puts on his horrible pre-Crisis battlesuit and the Toyman creates a huge half-superman-half-batman Spaceship. These elements are meant to be proper Comics Fun i think but Jeph Loeb can't do 'fun', he can only do 'portentious' and lo the last few issues of this arc are horribly hard going.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

My CBR non-shame is that I've read the first eight issues of She-Hulk. I will attempt to pay this forward by paying money for them at the comics shop this evening. They're great! The deadpan surrealism actually reminds me of early 2000AD like Ace Trucking Company (okay moreso in the section where she's acting as circuit court judge .. in spaaaaaace!) and the character touches remind me of PAD when he was great. The issue #5 that's up on Mile High is one of the less representative, as it's really not all about heroes vs villains.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
4 CDs of Defenders. Every issue, every series, crossovers, pre-Defenders appearances of major players, etc. Holy crap.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 14 November 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep yep yep.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 14 November 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

You got it too? :) I rationalized it as "I'm not trying to be greedy, it's not my fault there isn't a separate file for just the Headmen storyline."

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I planned on sluggin' through the whole thing, but my interest began to lag right around the time of the 1st Avengers / Defenders x-over, so I've decided to just jump to the Gerber era & motor on from there. So far, no complaints.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(Also, re: greed - I have D/Led nearly complete runs of the JLA / JSA bookses, Batman, Detective Comics, AND Captain America. I justified these thefts as "research", which would be legit if I ever wrote a damn thing.)

Did your Defenders D/L include some awful pre-Silver Age painted Sub-Mariner story (which probably first saw the light of day in some post-Marvels Prestige Format w/ the acetate cover)? I'm guessing it did - skip that & just read the Pasty Walker stuff twice instead.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I think so, I haven't skimmed through it much yet except to skim through the later issues of Defenders and New Defenders just to go "I used to own that one, and that one, and that one" (brother with drug habit + vindictive ex + poor organizational skills + three cross-country moves = I have lost many more comics than I retain).

I'll still buy the Defenders Essentials and everything, so I figure the only utilitarian moral arguments are silent this time.

I'm almost tempted to call Gerber the Alan Moore of the title (in a Swamp Thingian sense), but even with Len Wein preceding him, I think that might be a little deceptive -- he didn't reinvent things that drastically, but he did set the standard for tone and content that everything post-Gerber is compared to, and the most frequent criticism of post-Gerber Defenders stuff usually comes down to "that's not how Gerber would have done it."

(Next download batch: FF!)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I got those, too. Research is killer.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
12. NIGHTCRAWLER #1

Here is what I know about Nightcrawler i) he is German, ii) he is a nice guy but he looks like a demon, iii) he likes pirates and derring-do. If I was writing a Nightcrawler comic I would probably stress iii) with ii) providing some light irony. In fact I remember reading a previous comic starring him which did just this. What I would not do is get him involved in stories about FAITH and THE OCCULT and other such COBBLERS because of him looking like a demon. And yes I know he's been written that way too at times. I think such stories are best avoided because they rarely go anywhere or say anything interesting, they turn the looks-like-a-demon thing into a bludgeon and also because only Steve Ditko ever had any idea how to plot magical fights well.

Anyway this storyline has him investigating a strange mystery involving murdered children. The murdered children are pretty gratuitous to be honest. The only clues are some cloven hoofprints and a supporting character who is so obviously the villain that you half expect Nightcrawler to be joined by Scooby Doo on this case. Clumsy stuff.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

13 CAPTAIN AMERICA #1-2

As I just mentioned on The Brown Wedge, the level of basic competence in mainstream comics today is really impressive. This has good pacing, dialogue, striking art, tells its story without too many 'what's going on here?' moments. I quite like the way Captain A's impatient soldier mentality is being played up. This almost reads like an Ultimate comic, the same emphasis on SHIELD hypercompetence and militarism and 'real world' threats and situations. Good, solid stuff.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

(The thread has moved away from its original purpose and is now just 'Tom reviews some comics he's too cheap to pay for, quickly')

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(Potentially) freat things I got from Santa Internet:

. Shehulk (which I went out and purchased immediately, and then bought the issues that I'll no doubt buy again in TPB - the system works!)
. Zenith
. Everything Grant Morrison has ever written, in fact.
. Including Zoids
. Jark Kirby's Eternals
. Suicide Squad
. Crisis on Infinite Earths
. The Maxx
. The Demon
. Jimmy Olsen
. Zot!
. Ultimate Fantastic Four
. Miracleman (including various different bits of #25)

Who's writing/drawing Captian America, Tom?

Not Andrew Farrell, for legal reasons (afarrell), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Ed Brubaker is writing & Steve Epting is drawring (w/ Michael Lark on flashback duty starting w/ #2).

Not Tom (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Oooh, I don't think I've seen any of Michael Lark's art since Terminal City.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

His Terminal City is terminally... well, I don't talk that kind of French, sir! The ink work is nice, but his coloring is dreadful -- his stuff on Gotham Central is a knockout, though.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Would Not Andrew not be sharing these in the slightest on the Hub, by any chance? Grant's Doctor Who stuff might be just the incentive I need to set it up.

Not me either (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sharing a huge and ever increasing amount of comics including some of what not Andrew listed above on SLSK and on the hub, although I'm not on DC++ often. There're a couple really good hubs for comics listed in the public hub list too.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
14. MILLENNIUM #1-8 (DC Comics; 1987-ish)

I find it strange how short my first bout of comics fandom really was - it seemed like it lasted for ages but was barely 2 years. I got into DC with Legends, read through Millennium and was out of it by the time Invasion came around. Millennium had two points - a) tell a big cosmic DC story, b) introduce an amazing group of New! Characters! It does the first a lot better than the second (the new characters became rubbish and short-lived superteam the New Guardians). It's an unusual crossover in that the core series has very little of the main action. The tie-ins are often actually important to the plot (especially the FITEs) which must have frustrated less deep-pocketed fans (I gobbled most of it up though at the time). In the main series you get a lot of superhero interaction, ruminations on What It All Means, a bit of plot and a lot of patented Englehart hippie tosh.

I was surprised at how much I enjoyed re-reading it. The central idea - one member in each superhero supporting cast is a sleeper agent - is ace, the villains are good until they go into space and everyone has to fight a huge yellow cartoon robot. The series suffers a bit from winding towards anticlimax about 2/3 of the way through. The philosophy is a little bit Eastern and a whole lot cobblers. The art is acquired taste Joe Staton but he handles the huge cast well. The new superheroes... well, less good. But as crossovers go it deserves rehabilitation.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Millennium had two points

"OMG we're putting this out WEEKLY can you handle the excitement?"

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

15. LEGENDS #1-#6 (DC Comics: 1986-ish)

Legends was the first DC book I ever enjoyed and as such I could remember some bits pretty much off by heart, but even so re-reading it was probably a mistake - even at the time Len Wein's narrative didn't exactly seem sophisticated and 20 years on it's really clunky, sub-Claremontian at best (eg the repeated "What is the sound of the end of the world?" riff). Ostrander's plot doesn't exactly hold up to scrutiny either: alien televangelist seduces the world into hating heroes, OK this is fine, he has mental powers, but then the focus of this gets completely lost as a FITE is needed and giant Byrne robot dogs attack. Also the continual flicking between one hero and another is very bitty.

BUT none of this matters a WHIT compared to the overall purpose of the series which is to introduce wide-eyed new readers to the hottness of DC's super-universe. Reader, I was that reader (erm) and it worked fine for me. Legends in itself is bland (though I liked the Byrne art) but its main job was to launch DC's post-Crisis universe and it does that well. DC in the late 80s is probably my favourite publisher era ever and this is where it started so hats off. How many other crossovers launch spin-off series of the caliber of JLI, Suicide Squad and the Mike Baron Flash? Three months after the end of Legends DC Comics had gone from 0% of my 'pull list'* to about 60% and I can't argue with that maths.

*(not that that phrase meant anything to me at the time)

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 13 March 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Recently (IE this morning) I've been reading Ocean, by Warren Ellis, art by Chris Sprouse and Karl Story. I was curious about what those million indie Ellis comics are like, and this is exactly like what I thought it would be: Spider Jerusalem in space, meeting sarky good guys and bad guys and pwning them IN SPACE! One of the intereting things is that this pseudo-Spider (black, goatee, sharp suit) bears more than a casual resemblance to Samuel L. Jackson. Nothing wrong with a bit of easy characterisation (the same trick works really well in The Ultimates), but there can be problems with nicking the visage of the greatest living actor. For all that he will appear in almost anything, he plays variations on the same character in all of them, and it's not a character likely to exclaim regularly how much he hates everyone.

As regards the rest, big explosions, love/hate relationship with technology ("What's that?" "A book" "Is that what they used to look like?"), and regular everyone fancies our bald hero antics. So no surprises but I wasn't really looking for some.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, I got more of a young Danny Glover vibe from the guy.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

it is obv supposed to be Billy Ocean - the clue is in the title!

Mark C (Markco), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Subtitle for the TPB: Get Out Of My Dreams (Get Into My Space Station)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh man, I love Sprouse. He did great fill-ins for Giffen on the Legion way back in the day.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I've d/led the first few issues of the current Aquaman series. I kinda like it. Hey, is it by the same guy who wrote my beloved Question miniseries?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually bought Genesis (mainly 'cos of the JLA "Rock of Ages" tie in) Boy, did it suck. iirc Byrne wrote it and a blind man with neither hands nor a central nervous system did the art. I think they cost me 10p a pop and I'm guessing that my local Forbidden Planet really saw me coming that day

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Rick Veitch wrote the first year of the current AQUAMAN book, Huk. Will Pfeiffer took over later on, and is the current writer.

I'm still sorta ambivalent on the QUESTION mini that he wrote. A little too wandery and singsong poetry for the character, but the art was So Pretty.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked the Question mini. It was far, far away from O'Neil's take, but Veitch meshed it nicely with some of the things he seems to be obsessed about. (I'm not that sure if all the hippie stuff could qualify as "obsessions" since I've only read him on Maximortal, Swamp Thing and Aquaman)

The art was quite a beautiful thing to look at.

To me, Aquaman's not that well done. Maybe I should give it another chance. I found Guichet's art kinda confusing.

iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

DC seems to be setting Pfeiffer up as their next Brubaker. Giving him not quite plum titles, but titles where he seems to have some freedom.
I don't think I've read any of his stuff, but maybe I should.

The art was sooo much more important than the script on the recent Question mini, and convinced me to overlook Veitch's sometimes heavy hand (hey look, see, we're dealing drugs in the BATHROOM! Because Superman isn't a dirty pervert. Now let's show that a few more times! It was a clever idea, but I got it the first time.). TLE's Chris Reeve Supes was quite stunning.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I have downloaded the Spidey/Human Torch thing now, but I GTA is beckoning right now.

Leeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think I've read any of his stuff, but maybe I should.

if only Vertigo would collect FINALS (and fix up all the dumb post-Columbine censorship)

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 28 July 2005 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

H-E-R-O was ok. I really liked the first ten or fifteen issues, when the series was about separate stories concentrating on the impact of the dial in the life of different average joes.

The last ten issues or so weren't that good, because Pfeiffer chose to end the series with a big arc that wrapped all of the ones that had come before. It felt a bit rushed and out of place.

iodine (iodine), Thursday, 28 July 2005 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Micro reviews:

The Ultimates Vol2 1-6 is much the same as the first volume: big heroics, bad heroes, lovely art and now a spot of intrigue.

Young Avengers 1-5 isn't exactly life changing, but it reminded me of what Tom said above regarding how the basic standards of comics seem to have risen noticably in the last 20 years.

New Thunderbolts 1-4 would have been 1-9 or so, but it is unfortunately unreadable rubbish.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link

isn't exactly life changing, but it reminded me of what Tom said above regarding how the basic standards of comics seem to have risen noticably in the last 20 years

No Ben Raab
No Howard Mackie
No Jay Faerber
No Todd Dezago
No Brandon Choi
No Larry Hama

And only one Chuck Austen!

You might have a point there.

iodine (iodine), Friday, 29 July 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Larry Hama was around twenty years ago.

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 29 July 2005 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Unreadable rubbish! Andrew! Wounded I am!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 29 July 2005 05:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I wanted to say that I agree with Andrew regarding how the mainstream has improved its quality. Though I should say that I don't think it's been steadily getting better for the last 20 years, it's a thing of the last four or five years. The mainstream was probably in much worse shape in the late nineties than by the end of the eighties.

iodine (iodine), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

But yes, it has improved, and it shows when you see no more of those hacks I named because they were replaced by...well, hacks, but a bit more profficient (like Geoff Johns or Greg Rucka)

iodine (iodine), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Unreadable rubbish! Andrew! Wounded I am!

Oh, but it is! It probably suffers from being read right after Young Avengers. YA#1 sets up several characters, and has a great twist, and a quality JJJ appearance. It has the advantage that it's an outside look at the characters, so it's expected that they stay mysterious for a while, where New Thunderbolts #1 is anything but the first issue of a new series.

All the characters seem to coast on goodwill and interest that they've built up in a million comics that I haven't read. And the characterisation is sledge-hammer subtle. "Looks to me like Atlas likes Songbird. Yep, Atlas definitely likes Songbird. Yes, we get it. Yes, we get it. Yes, we get it. Yes, we get it. Just fuck off, will you?"

Also the timely themes (Terrorists! State responsibility for terrorists! WTC United Nations falling down!) annoy me no end. Particularly when he goes to some lengths to establish a cramped and terrifying building collapse, only to have Atlas grow to the size of the building from the inside, then burst out through one of the walls and hold the building up from the outside. Architecture: it doesn't work like that.

And the dialogue is completely rubbish, though this probably just means it's retro.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

GONG

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
IT'S BACK

(tomorrow the ILC characters poll will be back but I have a headache and this is easier)

16. ORION #1-25

At first I started reading this because it was Walt Simonson eye candy even though all that happens is the standard bite-bite-bite-fight-fight-fight stuff but then suddenly!! it starts getting really good, with a power corrupts storyline and deus ex machinae which are actually entertaining and monster cosmic stuff (including tasty loose ends, hey whatever DID happen to the earth-juggling super-giant?). And Simonson is still great! Towards the end it tails off a little and I think cancellation came as a disappointment but generally this is Good Stuff.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

17. FLASH #130-#141

The Morrison/Millar run. At the time I thought this was really ace and now it reads very strangely, like people who want to write mad silver age stuff but haven't actually worked out how to yet. The ideas are there but everything's TOO big and crazy: the first two episodes in each arc are terrific and the third is always shit. Only bad in comparison to Ultimates and Seven Soldiers and JLA, I suppose. In the middle of it there's a really nice one-issue story about Jay Garrick and the Thinker which stands up better than all the hypercosmic sagas. It doesn't help that this was during the Flash "speed force" years so all the supporting cast are (dread word) 'speedsters' and the whole speed force concept is a massive "INSERT LAZY ENDING HERE" card to boot.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

18. THE GOLDEN AGE #1-4

Ponderous vehicle for James Robinson to grim'n'grit up assorted G.A. and JSA characters. A review of this in the Slings And Arrows Guide praises the set-up in #1-3 but considers the payoff in #4 corny. THIS IS WRONG. The set-up is repetitive and hammers home the one or two personality hooks Robinson gives each character, which is all he can really afford to give them since the cast is so bloody huge. The diffuse focus means no arc really ends satisfyingly - compare to DC: THE NEW FRONTIER (covering vaguely similar ground) and you'll get the idea. HOWEVER the fourth issue is terrific because of it's awesomely hokey plot. Hurrah! If only they'd used the body of a cat.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom, please spoil this for me.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

OK I will start a thread to spoil it!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

The second Grant Morrison Flash story (apparently they were written 3 Grant 3 Mark 3 Grant 3 Mark after an initial pissup brainstorming session) is really a favourite of mine. Even apart from yet another imaginary childhood friend and further opportunities for a new world every panel, there's something about the gimmick in the final issue that really moves me. So much that I still loved it when he used it again a year later at the end of JLA. I didn't really mind the Speed Force nonsense, I just don't feel the need to have it all Make Sense. Also I love the way every issue has the same introduction from Wally.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Millar was probably at least as responsible as Grant* for the story you're referring to, given his history of writing actual Sonic comics

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the only good things about Waid's run was his habit of starting each issue with 'My name is Wally West and I'm the Flash' in a caption, which I think Morrison/Millar continued. It may even have started with Messner-Loebs. As I remember, Morrison played with that in JLA by having Flash possessed by some cosmic beestie and then being brought back to reality by Batman. He pulled the starfish off his head screaming 'MY NAME IS WALLY WEST AND I'M THE FLASH!' which was only natural as he was thinking that in captions at least three times a day, making him THE MOST EGOMANIACAL HERO EVAH. Unfortunately I think Johns stopped doing that.

Vic Fluro, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 06:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't understand, Kit.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I did find a newsarama interview where he says "Still, I've written plenty of, er, non-rape books too like Superman: Red Son, JLA, Superman Adventures, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Paradise Lost, The Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men and Sonic The Hedgehog. Actually, I did have Tails fuck Sonic up the arse in one issue of that, but it was definitely consensual."

Though he also later says "I'm honestly as happy writing Superman Adventures as I am writing Wanted. I don't see one as bring better or more literate than the other"

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Johns still does it. He usually finds a way to switch it up and have it be all "My name is Wally West, and I used to think I was... THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE!"

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM with Simonson's Orion. I really liked it, and I miss it too! I liked many of the backup stories too. Well, I liked all of them, just because the array of artists working there was so wide.

Grant on Flash was OK, but not as great as I expected. Back then I had already been a fan of his work for a long time time, so having him as the regular writer for my favorite character ever was a dream come true. But...well, "Hell To Pay" was such a great ending for Waid's run it became a tough act to follow to anyone who had to step on his shoes. Plus, he went out with the promise of coming back one year later with "Chain Lightning" which, back then, was hyped to be this super-cosmic-time-and-space-spanning-Flash-epic that was gonna change the world for ever and all that crap. So Grant's stuff was OK, but by coming after "Hell to pay" and with the hype behind "Chain Lightning", his run turned out to be a bit underwhelming and it ended up being a mildly fun way of killing the time until Waid's return.

iodine (iodine), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Where do y'all get your cbrs from?

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

DC++

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't understand, Kit.

er because Millar used to write Sonic The Hedgehog monthly, I would not be surprised that the plot where Flash races Sonic The Hedgehog across the universe came from him rather than Grant.

Their usual writing practice was to divvy up dialoguing issue-by-issue, rather than story-by-story, so that would fit. Also since there's no way Grant didn't write that one with his new version of the Mirror Master, which wouldn't fit with the three-on three-off pattern. (of course it all got thrown wonky when he had to bail from the last three due to overcommittment, which might be what you're thinking of?)

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I'm thinking of being told that it was 3-3-3-3. There are three issues where Flash races Krakkl, and they are all very Grant Morrison. Unless there's a specific one where Sonic turns up that i don't remember.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Krakkl = Sonic!!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 08:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Also I wondered at the time if the whole "I'm racing my imaginary friend" thing was a gentle dig by Millar at "Foxy, you came back" etc.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay granted (er), I might be seeing things as very Morrison when they're a pastiche (pronouced "piss-take") by a good friend.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

what's dc++ again?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

It's where INCREDIBLY FAMOUS writers and artists tell not-necessarily in-continuity stories that also happen to be dreadfully dull about the most famous superheroes in the world.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

or possibly an internet filesharing system, who knows

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 15 September 2005 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

direct connect?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 September 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

yes.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 15 September 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

19. FANTASTIC FOUR 1234 #1-4

G-Mo! On the FF! Cool! Not really. A pretty thin plot (Doom manipulates reality but underestimates the FF's innate goodness) allows GM to trot round some icons without really seeming too enthused by any of it. Nice Jae Lee art - murk is boring but he does it better than most - is it really true tho that the Torch's powers stop working if its RAINING??? (ok I think it was some sort of mutant super-rain)

Tom (Groke), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

20. COLOSSUS: BLOODLINE #1

All Colossus stories in which he is painting are funny and this is no exception as he expresses his inner torment by drawing a mid-90s Simon Bisley picture. When you think about it it's amazing that the X-books have never done the "his name is Rasputin yes Rasputin WHO ELSE HAD THAT NAME" plot before, but David Hine is a pretty decent low-key writer so this works as a good read and a stupid larff. Hine's rise to mild x-prominence is a bit odd though - who'd have thought when I was reading "Sticky Fingers" in CRISIS all those years ago that he'd end up doing a hokey Colossus mini?

Tom (Groke), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

21. WOLVERINE #20-#31

12 issues of nothing but fighting drawn by John Romita Jr = pretty good fun! I read it all in about 40 minutes but so what? Wolverine murderises lots of good guys then gets turned good again and murderises all the bad guys instead: in some ways this is the quintessential Wolverine story and certainly seems to have been a crowd-pleaser, but on the other hand you can't imagine it having been done at any time prior to now.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 26 September 2005 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

what dc++ hubs do you guys find useful?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got the first 196 issues of the Flash (current series)! And I have everything after that in comic form.
The first year is fucking amazing. Seriously fucking amazing. Though only about a half hour's read.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah it is, the Mike Baron flash - great stuff! Vandal Savage has never been scarier. The Flash asking for payment! Kapitalist Kouriers! Velocity-9! CHUNK! Kilg%re!

I'm not sure the comic's ever been better to be honest.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, I remember having warm fuzzies for the first chunk of Mike Baron's Punisher, too. THAT BEING SAID...

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Chunk is awesome. I'm up to #82 right now, and hoping that none of the following issues feature The Death of Chunk in any way...

carson dial (carson dial), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

As far as I know Chunk is still going! There was a hairy moment when he turned up in a Geoff Johns story and his powers went wild but I believe he pulled through unscathed.

The great thing about the Baron FLASH (& the Messner-Loebs run) is that in 6/8/10 years time some writer is going to come along and revive it all in the same way Johns is all about the Cary Bates rogues galleries and soapy set-ups.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope that Blue Trinity/Kapitalist Kouriers are still around (but don't spoil it for me!), though I guess they won't fit in with the current DCU timeline and will probably be OMAC fodder like the Rocket Reds.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Chunk eats them.

:)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

okay, so I have been re-reading the Morrison-Millar Flash run and mad apologies to Andrew upthread, it totally reads more like Morrison on the first three and less like him on the next two! I would happily read more Mirror Master written by Millar every month (though Grant should provide the clever supervillain tricks).

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 30 September 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i finally 'figured out' zcult - ROCK

quick question, the person who started the thread about martian manhunter's 'demise' - are they really that person?

also: it roxx. so hard.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 30 September 2005 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link

How do you do it, James, I haven't got a frickin' clue.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 30 September 2005 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

"I hope that Blue Trinity/Kapitalist Kouriers are still around (but don't spoil it for me!), though I guess they won't fit in with the current DCU timeline and will probably be OMAC fodder like the Rocket Reds."

One of them (don't ask me which one) died in some crossover or Flash event some years ago. He was running up the wall of some building when he lost his powers, fell down and SPLOTCH!

And yes, Messner-Loebs' Flash was lovely.

iodine (iodine), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Re: Zcult, you have to follow the instructions they give you exactly.
I, meanwhile, have made no progress, despite lots of helpful tips from ILCers, in figuring out DC++.

quick question, the person who started the thread about martian manhunter's 'demise' - are they really that person?

Is what who now?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah dc++ i got no idea what the hell that is; i'm more than fine so far with zcult esp since the only thing i'd love to find i can't so much (indie artsy) apparently isn't really cbr'ed that thrououghly anyhow.

chuck register and then go to the introduce yourself thread/forum which will be one of the few things you'll see and start a thread introducing yourself, post it, and then immediately you'll have access to the rest of the site. look for the tracker 'forums' at the bottom then.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 30 September 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

One of them (don't ask me which one) died in some crossover or Flash event some years ago. He was running up the wall of some building when he lost his powers, fell down and SPLOTCH!

I don't remember reading this, but it sounds very much like the Gene Bomb in INVASION!, doesn't it?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 3 October 2005 08:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Someone also told me something about a program called EDonkey, that works on comiccentral.cc. But I can't figure that either. Thanks, though!

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you HAVE to pay on Zcult?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think so. But they certainly would like you to. I haven't. I haven't d/led anything from them in a while, since I realized that d/ling the entire Suicide Squad run was fun and all, but I'm never going to get around to reading the whole thing. Especially not since I've got EVERY WALLY WEST FLASH EVER to get through.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, I've joined. And paid (whoops). What next?

Signed,
A confused stupid comics pirate.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

chuck register and then go to the introduce yourself thread/forum which will be one of the few things you'll see and start a thread introducing yourself, post it, and then immediately you'll have access to the rest of the site. look for the tracker 'forums' at the bottom then.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Last night I finally read Batman: Detective #27, the historical whatchamacallit by Bat-Movie Potentate Michael Uslan and A Man Named Snejberg.
Very, very stupid. This had been promoted as being along the lines of Carter Beats the Devil, one of my favourite novels ever, and I almost bought it in hardcover. Whew!
Uslan makes hay out of the 1989 Batflick, cribbing the Jack Napier character AND that atrocious "Dance...devil...pale moonlight" catchphrase. The nail (but not "THE NAIL") in the Elseworlds coffin, I guess.
The art is really great, howev.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Last night I d/led the comics that changed my life. Green Lantern, Vol. 2 #170-224. Basically just before the Dave Gibbons run through the end of the GLC series. I am worried about re-reading them. BUT GUH! Gibbons' art is oh mama.

Also d/led:
The Brave & the Bold #200, final issue, Batman/Batman by Mike W. Barr & Dave Gibbons. Turns out, I used to have this as well, but I had completely forgotten about it. A strange tale of Earths 1 & 2 and a man named Brimstone (with AWESOME hair) who traversed the multi-dimensional barrier using only his hatred for Batman.
Justice League of America #171 & 172 Another Earth 1 & Earth 2 story. This one concerns the annual team-up of the JLA/JSA and the death of the original Mr. Terrific. I remember getting the first issue from a used bin when I was a kid, and then I never found the conclusion, so I've just been walking around like a moron for all these years wondering who killed Mr. T. Turns out it was Jay Garrick, but the JL/SA decided that since they've always liked Jay Garrick more than Terry Sloane anyway, they'd just wipe their own minds and forget about it.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Over the weekend, I d/led and read: Arsenal Four issue mini from '98. Written by Dick Grayson, drawn by Cory Anders, inked by Garfield Logan. "OH NO, the fellow I was sidekick to is dead, I MUST BECOME GREEN ARROW! Er, wait, there's already a new Green Arrow, and this guy is the old Green Arrow's biological son. Oliver Queen didn't even have the decency to have sex with my mother! Where is my mother? I guess I didn't have one. The midichlorians from my forest ranger daddy's peepee just issued me forth. I guess that's why I'm such a lady's man."

The Brave & the Bold #85, Peak Neal Adams, 1st appearance of Green Arrow's beard! Amazingly, I've read this before! It must have been reprinted in one of those DC Blue Ribbon Digests. Still, fantastic non-fantastic Bob Haney story. Bruce Wayne, congressman! Batman and GA share a psychiatrist! Psychiatrist uses self-hypnosis to remove knowledge of their secret IDs! Who needs Zatanna?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I read Batgirl #1-69. It's really good for the most part, though it does keep getting waylaid by stupid crossovers. The stuff from the original writers are like a masterclass into how to deal with a one-gimmick superhero for 50 issues without it being boring (though some of the issues do read quite quickly). At some point they have a 3-issue Connor Hawke crossover, as asked for in the letter page. This should by rights be pretty awesome, except it's written by Chuck Dixon so it's ass instead.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I really enjoyed the first trades of Batgirl (which I scored at the public library), but could never justify paying for comics that scan in under a minute. I guess that's a little rockist, isn't it.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

So there I was, downloading the final 50 issues or so of the Barry Allen Flash series, and I realized, "These were actually pretty awful comics, weren't they?"
But having just read all the 80s Green Lantern, I'm kinda locked in.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

oh no, don't say it, I've been wanting to read those since I was nine!

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link

The Carmine Infantino art on those makes them worth reading, doesn't it? I remember reading the Eradicator storyline as a kid and being all freaked out by the art-- people disintegrated into little purple corpuscles and so on.

Chris F. (servoret), Friday, 2 December 2005 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I just read the Eradicator storyline!
Infantino's art here is SO loose and weird. I really don't know what to make of it. Maybe it's the inker (name: unremembered), or maybe it's just the natural evolution (a la Gil Kane) of the tighter (more commercial?) art Infantino did in the 50s and 60s.

I can't believe Big Sir got his own card. Did any of the other Injustice Leaguers?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 2 December 2005 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

And obviously, Infantino's loose style is kinda perfect for the speed effects of the Flash, where you get these panoramic panels of yellow and red squiggles.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 2 December 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I really enjoyed the first trades of Batgirl (which I scored at the public library), but could never justify paying for comics that scan in under a minute. I guess that's a little rockist, isn't it.

No, that's fair enough. Being really quick reads also helps me get through 60-odd in a day.

Anyway:

Teen Titans Go! 1-20 odd

This is definitely the comic book of the TV Series, with the return of actual editor's captions, which refer to episodes of the TV show rather than other comics. Does the current rake of 'Adventures' (comics of DC TV animations) do this? I assume old-school toy comics (G.I.Joe, Transformers, Zoids) must have done this a certain amount.

The comics all read really quickly, like they'd be a good five-minute time-filler in one of the TV episodes. I never realised until reading them, what a strange continuity situation the series was in - they're characters from 20 years ago, in the modern world. Because I'd read Gotham Central's Dead Robin arc just before this, which has a Titans containing Beast Boy, Cyborg, Raven and Robin III, I didn't notice that this one was Dick Grayson until it's (literally) spelled out. Though guest stars from Wildebeest and Speedy should probably have tipped me off :)

Also I read Power Pack 1-5, out of a massive torrent of all of them ever, and thought "Yes, this is roughly what I remember, I'll stop now". They're great characters, but that might be the problem: they're so like actual kids that spending more than a short amount of time with them can get pretty annoying.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 4 December 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I assume old-school toy comics (G.I.Joe, Transformers, Zoids) must have done this a certain amount.

No, old school G.I.Joe and Transformers had continuities independent from the actual toys and the other tie-ins. And in the case of Larry Hama's Joe and the British Transformers, their continuities were way more intricate and way, way more awesome, although Hama's eventually died from an overdose of the crappy new toys he kept having to shoehorn in to his stories. (Well, OK, the ninja thing didn't help after a while either.)

Chris F. (servoret), Monday, 5 December 2005 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I always felt that they were a little nebulous about which Robin it is on the TV show (haven't read TTG!), since it's sort of the Tim Drake costume, but it's the Wolfman/Perez Titans (minus Kid Flash and Wonder Girl), and the whole budding romance with Starfire, but I think the show makes a point of avoiding the issue by keeping the focus on the In-Costume lives of its character.
I don't think they ever even mention Batman (though during one of the episodes where Slade/Deathstroke is trying to make Robin his protege, Slade/Deathstroke delivers a Darth Vader-like speech about ruling teh galaxy together and Robin screams "I already have a father!" and a swarm of bats fly out (from where?)).

Over the weekend, I d/led THE GREAT DARKNESS SAGA (whose central mystery is spoiled by the cover of the trade, dirty fuckers) and the first 37 (complete pre-Zero Hour?) issues of the Five Year Gap Legion.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 5 December 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

There are a few issues of set-up that aren't in the Great Darkness trade, too. And the first 37 LSHv4s take you up to Giffen's second-last issue, Zero Hour is still a few years away at that point. (You can totally stop reading at 37, though.)

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Damn. I d/led GDS by the issue, too. I could have enjoyed it even more. Completely ruined the the "Foundations" storyline from the The Legion series just before the latest reboot, howev.

I just found a motherlode of The Question, including a truly horrendous Question/Blue Beetle team-up from 1981 (Charlton's last gasp?).

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Was the Ditko Question in that motherlode, Huk? I'm still looking for Mysterious Suspense #1...

Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got that one!
If that's yr proper email address, I'll YSI later today. You want the 1981 one as well, just for completism's sake?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

'Tis indeed my proper e-mail address, and I'd be much obliged if you did YSI me! I think I've read the rubbish 1981 thing already so I'm not really interested in it, but if you had any other Ditko stories I'd be interested in taking a gander at them as well.

Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Will hook you up in about 7 hrs.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 8 December 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Sweet! Thanks. If you want to read the Ditko The Hawk and the Doves (which I think are the best Objectivist comics he ever did, probably in no small part because Steve Skeates was the one writing the dialogue), I could reciprocate.

Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Cool.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

It's sent!
Once Chris d/l's it, I'll post the link for the rest of y'alls.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

FFS! Who put Man of Steel in my d/l queue?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got it and read it, Huk-- jolly good! Great Objectivist comix, with just a hint of Robert Heinlein in the interactions between Vic Sage and his loyal supporters. The ending is great Ditko! (And the opening caption of Chapter Two is a great potshot at Spider-Man-- I guess Ditko going off the book wasn't such a big loss after all!)

Chris F. (servoret), Friday, 9 December 2005 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I sent Huk a link to The Hawk and the Dove #1 and 2-- I'll post it here after I get back from vacation in a few days, in case anyone else is interested. I'd post their Showcase appearance also, but I only have that in the antiquated paper original, and I have no scanner. It doesn't matter anyhow-- the series itself is way better than the Showcase story, which is very slight.

Chris F. (servoret), Friday, 9 December 2005 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, if I scan a bunch of pages (of, say, a comic) at home, do you know how to convert it to a cbr?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Zip your folder full of scans and change the file extension from .zip to .cbz, and there's you a .cbz file. A big of googling later... a .cbr file is just a .rar file with its file extension changed.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Ta. I'll do those long-promised (to someone) h3ckl3rz this weekend.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

MYSTERIOUS SUSPENSE!!!
http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3W1FEMF01NNRB146YLI31HIF7C

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"Invalid link."

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Never mind, it worked on the 2nd try.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Mysterious AND Suspenseful, even in the downloading!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 9 December 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

That H&D is awesome!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 11 December 2005 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Back! Sadly, I did not bump into Mr. Ditko whilst in NYC. As promised:

The Hawk and the Dove #1

The Hawk and the Dove #2

Chris F. (servoret), Monday, 12 December 2005 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link

The last panel of #2 is going to be my Christmas card this year.

I just finished (like three hours ago) my marathon of pre-Crisis Flash, from #300 STRAIGHT THROUGH to #350. Ye gods. Infantino, I really don't know what to make of you. Your loose lines (covers inked by Klaus Jansen, which makes it all wonderful) are sometimes immaculate, sometimes asinine. The panels where Barry Allen gets his face bashed in are really, really something.
I really, really feel sorry for the Flash. He was put through hell for nearly three years before his title was cancelled, and then he gets sent off to the future to be reunited with his formerly-dead wife, but by that time, I think he's already dead!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Also on the weekend I d/led and read Batman/Huntress: Cry for Blood, by Rucka and Burchett. GUEST-STARRING ZEN QUESTION.
Good stuff, especially the Richard Dragon stuff (except Red Deer is a prairie town, if Huntress and Question walked out of the Rockies, they wouldn't go all the way to Red Deer. Also, Canadian road signs don't use miles.)

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 12 December 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I heart Zen Question. Can you ysi that, plz?

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 12 December 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
OKY DOKY (probably won't get a chance until tomorrow or late tonight, depending on lame stuff, but you've waited nearly a month, so what's another day or two)

Read Yesterday:
Zero Hour w/ several x-overs (not the complete x-overs as the D/L file suggested): NOT THAT BAD. Clearly intended to be a sequel proper to Crisis (subtitle: Crisis in Time) (dead Flash hoax) (Spectre vs. Villain at the dawn of time), the best stuff was the timeline bleeding crossovers, like the multiple Batmanses in Superman: Man of Steel or the tweeness of Tim Drake teaming up with younger than him Dick Grayson (after a bit of malevolent Jason Todd OMG dickery). The Ordway over Jurgens art in Zero Hour proper is pretty nice and certainly gives it a Crisis Sheen, even if every character is in their lamest costume.
Also cool is Green Arrow #90 written by Dixon maybe? drawn by Barretto (of whom I've become fond since MarMan: AmSec), basically, two timelines unfold at once as GA chases a goon.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I found some tomfool selling some hundreds of old musty Zero Hours, Azrael Batses and 90s-mullet-Supeses at his second hand bookstore -- for £1.50 an issue! ('Bout $3.50 canadian). It was quite sweet, he seemed to think they were a bargain. Aww.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 10:14 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
22. ONSLAUGHT: X-MEN and ONSLAUGHT: MARVEL UNIVERSE

Having read and quite enjoyed THE KINGDOM I thought I was ready for anything. I WAS WRONG. Onslaught: X-Men was worse than I remembered (ya rly!!) but also funnier, especially all the scenes where the X-Men go "come on, you're Magneto aren't you" and Onslaught goes NO NO NO. Things I was reminded of: those 90s costumes, that 90s art style (the comix equivalent of gated drums on 80s records), 'Joseph', 'the X-Traitor' etc etc. (actually they did a reasonable save on this).

Onslaught: Marvel Universe however - OMG. How I love stories where the villain is defeated by a plot mechanism which all the characters understand immediately and act as if it's logical when in fact it makes no sense AT ALL. "Onslaught hav become pure THOUGHT let's all jump into him, except all the X-Men who just stand around. Hurrah it worked BUT AT WHAT COST." Sobering to think that if Heroes Reborn had worked in kickstarting the speculator boom again, this might really have been it for the MU as we 'knew it'. Hearty laffing at bare-chested Thor. Really awful art. TEH WATCHER, always a hallmark of quality eh. Has the Watcher ever appeared since Joe Q took over?

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

This is not meant as a diss of the Watcher, who is of course great in his early appearances, rather a raised eyebrow at his being wheeled in to big up crossover events in the 1990s.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link

They've made a brand new Watcher now. HE IS A COMPUTER HAXXOR

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

No no no no no - that Watcher Haxxor was just a corny device for the recent spate of What If? specials. Dan Slott's used Uatu (or some Watchers) in both She-Hulk & The Thing.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan Slott is rowing against a losing tide, or somesuch metaphor. He'll soon be knocked into shape.

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait a second - Starfire's name is KORIAND'R!?!?!? Come on Marv!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Her sister was named Komand'r, I think... what was the dad called?

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

K'olandr?

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

They should bring that alien species back for the pun value.

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

K'om on!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I need to fill my 250 GB harddrive with CBR awesomeness.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

"awesomeness"

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

OUR WORLDS AT WAR AWESOMENESS

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Followed by DEATHMATE

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Karous'l

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

The Great God Kreat'r should be involved.

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

In the Vegan system, their favourite sitcom is Pseinfeld, where a lizard-like telepath comedian deals with the minutiae of existence along with his neighbour Kram'r and buddy Kostanz'A.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

OK tonight's reading....INFINITY GAUNTLET.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 March 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

aka "My gloves don't fit."

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 9 March 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

You better follow up w/ WAR and THE OTHER ONE.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 9 March 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Full report to follow HOWEVER let me just quote this:

"I, Great Odin, didst witness half my people vanish in the twinkling of an eye. The ceremonial eyepatch of sorrow did I immediately don!"

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Jim Starlin, ladies and germs!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

23. INFINITY GAUNTLET

As Pete intimates above the plot of Infinity Gauntlet rests on the premise that gloves are really easy to pull off somebody. This is surely not true - if it had been the Infinity Trousers which had to stay up around Thanos' waist to guarantee his cosmic power, then you'd have had a credible slash fic crossover.

The first issues are actually really good, Marvel doing Crisis - without the payoff, which is always the miniseries problem - but even though you know the reset button will get hit the apocalyptic set-up is cornily compelling. ("The Isles of Japan - are no more.") As usual with re-reading old crossovers part of the fun is remembering lame own-title plots that impact on them, i.e. Thor not being Thor any more.

Once Perez leaves and the actual FITE gets going things degenerate rapidly. Starlin loves his cosmic entities but he doesn't actually have any grasp of how to make them seem cosmic, they're just FITEsters a bit more tuff than superheroes but less tuff than Thanos. The last two issues are a game of tag, and at the end you're left with the dispiriting feeling that the whole point has been to make Warlock look badass.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Hearty laffing at bare-chested Thor.

Surely also hearty laughing at this?

http://dreamers.com/xmen/images/comics/ons/Image26.jpg

I gotta admit, I love "Infinity Gauntlet". Giant huge crossovers have always been my biggest superhero comic fetish, and this was the first (non-Elseworlds) one where EVERYONE DIES. Knowing that of course they'd all come back in the end somehow didn't take away all that much emotional impact, for me. Also, handy two page guide to Marvel's cosmic entities! Also, the scene where Hulk and Wolverine are on the rooftops and suddenly it starts snowing and they're like "omg it's June!", felt really - ahem - chilling to me as a youngster.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 10 March 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

(I had not yet heard "Sleeping Sattelites", and was thus not properly prepared to handle non Winter month snow ocurrences)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 10 March 2006 12:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Daniel did you ever read The Final Night, one of my favourite crossover stories ever and full of cosmic winter stuff?

Also the Thor "Casket Of Ancient Winters" storyline which had loads of really sly crossovers into other comics and tons of "How come its snowing" scenes, back in 85/86 or so, which was when I started reading comics so probably diminished the impact of Infinity Gauntlet for me.

But IG is good yes! Up to about #4 anyway.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 10 March 2006 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

(should we start a Final Thread?)

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

er, Final NIGHT, no need to close up shop, etc.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Infinity Gauntlet rules. I have the trade at home. Once when I was in the USAF a friend of mine came in my barracks room and picked it up and started flipping through the middle somewhere, then said "wait wait wait" and began to read it from the very beginning in some bizarre Overwrought Connecticut Shakespearean Theatre voice, very loudly, which was endlessly hilarious to me at the time. and probably still would be.

There is a lot to be said for a comic wherein the writer does little more than parade his own obscure creations back and forth while murdering the most popular character in the Marvel universe with a blunt instrument, in terms of sheer chutzpah.

As a longtime Silver Surfer reader I thought the whole thing was just awesome, of course, especially when EVERY DEITY/COSMIC BEING EVER shows up, and the Living Tribunal is like "eh whatever." I was a bit disappointed by the Celestials' poor showing against thanos, but it is what it is.

The glove not fitting thing is obviously another manifestation of Thanos' sublimated desire to fail at everything. I can sympathize.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Batman: The Red Hood Story

Not actually the complete Red Hood, it's just Family Reunion (Batman 635-641) a standalone (645) and the first two parts of Franchise (646-647). I went and found a DCP with 650 in it, which is the last one pre OYL, so I assume that there's just more fighty fighty in the two issues in between.

I'm not surprised that Winick (I guess) has brought in a sarcastic condescending villian in Black Mask, nor that the title is best when he's on stage, it's funny and snappy like Barry Ween. But he also does the grim brooding stuff well, and I basically enjoyed it throughout.

Question: Why are Oracle and Batman on the outs at the start of the story? Is it because she got herself technovirused up in Birds of Prey?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 19 March 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, hilariously the shock ending in the standalone is that the was NEVER a body in Jason's coffin. Which maybe the writers of the recent "Why is Jason Todd the Red Hood?" special should have read.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 19 March 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't the OMG NO BODY IN COFFING writer is the same as the OMG WHY IS JASON TODD A WALKING CLIT writer?

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 20 March 2006 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

a) Lay off the sugar, sparky.
b) Yes, good point.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 20 March 2006 09:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Batman and Oracle are on the outs because Batman had a big fite with Black Mask in Bab's house/secret base which resulted in the base being blown up.

Mark C (Markco), Monday, 20 March 2006 09:17 (eighteen years ago) link

If Batman blew up my house I'd be on the outs with him.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

It was actually Oracle who blew up the house, because Batman and Black Mask were going to kill each other or something, so Oracle hit the self-destruct button so that Batman's PROTECTOR instincts would override his "Must Punch Until I Die" instincts. So, like, she saved his life, but Black Mask got away because of it, and then Oracle was all like, "You're a jerk, I'm out of here."

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
The Further Adventures of Indiana Jones (Marvel)

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Was my fave comic before I got into superheroes, I guess mostly just because Raiders was, like, pretty much the most awesome thing that ever happened to me between birth and, um, learning how to drive. Haven't read them yet, but have been "flipping through them" seeing if I recognized anything. Have been SHOCKED by the people who worked on this. First few issues were John Byrne and Terry Austin! Later in the run, Howard Chaykin (which makes perfect sense), STEVE DITKO!!! and then a lengthy Herb Trimpe writing/drawing run.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS, I JUST FOUND OUT THAT FFVIEW WILL OPEN/VIEW FOLDERS OF JPG'S WITHOUT HAVING TO TURN THEM INTO .CBR OR .CBZ FILES FIRST!!1!

So I'm a little slow, sue me.

Offisa Pump (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 22 June 2006 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
SAM AND TWITCH. Interesting stuff as Bendis progresses towards his modern-day persona and egomaniacally pulls in his own character, Jinx, for a five-episoder only to have it blatantly revealed that she is A BILLION TIMES LESS INTERESTING than Todd's characters.

Fascinatingly, Todd takes over the writing with issue 20 and I can't tell the difference. There are a few less 'fratakta yaddaddas', it's a lot nastier in places, but it's the same tough police-procedural kind of thing. Bendis gets no credits at all, so either a) Todd pulled a fast one and failed to credit his input, b) Alex Maleev does ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING and Bendis is the archetypal writer being propped up by his artists, or c) this noir stuff is DEAD EASY if you've got a copy of David Simon's 'Homicide' and a few DVDs handy. Or d) Todd's a talented writer, which is certainly possible.

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 00:26 (seventeen years ago) link

e) It turns out that the book becomes massively late around the time of the Todd takeover, blame for which Todd puts squarely on his own shoulders. Still an interesting example of how art and lettering can inform the tone of the script.

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link

When I first started haunting comic shops again, i picked up a copy of S&T: Case Files, cuz it looked like the sort of hardboiled adult stuff I thought I should be into. I found it really dull and unoriginal, though maybe that was mostly cuz I had come in quite late and whatever. Looking back on that issue recently (just looked at the cover, didn't open it) I noticed it was by Marc Andreyko and Scott Morse! i like Morse, at least.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
ssX is fuxored for me; I can't stay connected to the network for more than 20 minutes. Time to investigate b!tt0rr3nt. Can someone point me to tutorials on, well, just about everything? Also, do the sites require invitations?

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Step 1

Download a t0rr3nt client (I use Azureus, but others use utorrent or BitComet). Azureus has a really good help wiki, you might need to open a port to get it to work as quickly as you might want and using the recommended settings re: number of active t0rr3nts etc.

Step 2

Visit a t0rr3nt host site. ZCult FM is still held to be the best, no? To register you need to validate your email address by replying to a message and posting in the Introduce Yourself thread. That's as complicated as it is.

Step 3

Find teh t0rr3nt you want. Download the t0rr3nt file, which is tiny. Your client does all the complicated stuff from there on, all you need to do is nominate the save folder.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

DCplusplus is way better if you can find teh rite hubs.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

When Andrew created the DC++ hub a couple of years ago, I couldn't share my files in one mode (active or passive, can't remember which) or receive files in the other. I've thought about trying that again as well.

Aldo, thanks for infoes.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I have found dem0n0id to be a great source for comics t0rr3nts. New registrations only on Fridays without an invitation, I believe.

Oblivious Lad. (Oblivious Lad), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

0¡nk's has a decent selection of comics (I suppose, I don't usually torrent comics, I'm a DC++ fanboy). And whaddaya know, I've got 0¡nk invites. Webmail me if interested.

c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks, done!

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Another place to try is http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=309654&page=167

which is the current page of an Indonesian site where people seem to get everything off DC++ and then upload it to most file-sharing sites known to man. Worth a look.

James Morrison (JRSM), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Off-topic plug:
Great thing about DC++ <DISCLAIMER>or so I've heard</DISCLAIMER> is that one of the bots in one of the hubs always has the big releases available every Wednesday night. That's how I know some users stay up-to-date with 50+2!

c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 12 January 2007 01:01 (seventeen years ago) link

conversely, I read on the internet about some guy who didn't really like the new Tales of the Unexpected after the first issue and planned on only d/ling it, but so few people cared about it that nobody scanned it in and uploaded, so he's been buying it anyway.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoa, dang. I figured something like that kaskus site had to be out there, but it's still a little "whoa, dang" on first visit. Thanks. (/hushed whisper)

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Not that I ever USE the Kaskus site, no sir.

James Morrison (JRSM), Friday, 12 January 2007 04:08 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

uh, new site for M@rv3ls anyone? Hit me by userprofilemail.

Rock Hardy, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:58 (sixteen years ago) link

It's down at the moment, but pretty much everything usually turns up at
http://rapidsearch.yi.org/?

just type cbr into the search box

James Morrison, Friday, 28 March 2008 08:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's what I've been using lately, but like you say, it's down right now.

Rock Hardy, Friday, 28 March 2008 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link

It's now back.

James Morrison, Monday, 31 March 2008 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I use www.h33t.com (actual site address, not google-proofed)

There's a small but pretty committed bunch of uploaders there, a lot of the fallout of Demonoid ended up there, including the guys who are seeding the Marvel & DC chronologies and of course the weekly DCP.

Also it's free membership and they have a good, healthy attitiude towards seeding/leeching.

If anyone would like to trade, mail me.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 12:35 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Do I have the patience to get Pep Comics #1-65, one file at a time?

Rock Hardy, Thursday, 29 May 2008 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link

I would, or at least for the issues (1-17?) with The Comet in them.

aldo, Friday, 30 May 2008 09:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Urgh I have spent the last fortnight catching up on four months comics. My findings are that comics suck, or they're briefly good until Gale Simone stops writing them suddenly.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 May 2008 09:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Just moved 4 GB of unread things that seemed like great ideas at the time onto DVD so I can forget about them entirely.

James Morrison, Saturday, 31 May 2008 12:43 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

So what CBR programme do my fellow Mac users rely on? I'm having real problems with Jomic, it corrupts somehow and unistalls itself every time I shut down. I tried Comical for a bit, but that was even worse, prone to crashing mid-comic.

chap, Monday, 15 June 2009 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I use Simple Comic.

http://dancingtortoise.com/simplecomic/

unicorn poop evaluator (WmC), Monday, 15 June 2009 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I ponied up for ComicBookLover. Can't remember a crash or any problems whatsoever. There is a trial version that puts a little logo in the corner while you're trying it out.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 15 June 2009 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks fellas. So far so good with Simple Comic.

chap, Monday, 15 June 2009 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I use ComicBookLover too. It's like iTunes for comics. Totally worth it.

Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2009 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Simple Comic is great!

Nhex, Monday, 15 June 2009 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Thirding ComicBookLover

Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 15 June 2009 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Simple Comic is great!

Yeah, I like it so well I actually gave the guy a donation for his donationware, which I'm not the best about doing.

unicorn poop evaluator (WmC), Monday, 15 June 2009 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

So, uh, why the hell was Bl@ck P@nther 6 skipped last week?!

Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Friday, 31 July 2009 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

revive

1 week to "Charles Dingus" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

I can't remember if DCM has ever been mentioned on ILC.

http://www.digitalcomicmuseum.com/

Neil Jung (WmC), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

oh cool.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link

I may have mentioned it before and totally forgotten about it. When I tried to register just now, I found out I'd already registered with that email address a couple of years ago.

Neil Jung (WmC), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link

I know I've seen it before but somehow didn't bookmark it.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

Infinity Trousers

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

Don't know wtf I was thinking, but I acquired 3 gigs of Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos scans.

it's not arugula science (WilliamC), Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link

i wouldn't mind!

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link

One very low-priority goal I've had is to collect every Marvel from FF#1 until Shooter took over as Ed-in-Chief... but most of these are so bad. Even the early Kirby ones. I probably won't keep them.

it's not arugula science (WilliamC), Friday, 19 June 2015 12:04 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, Sgt. Fury is surprisingly good. Among the better '60s Marvel stuff.

I have achieved your low-priority goal electronically and am very nearly there with physical reprints of same. Speaking of Shooter, though, one of my many shameful CBR acquisitions is the complete output of Defiant Comics. Top that.

Feeding My Whole Family With A Pack Of Taco Shells (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 June 2015 12:22 (eight years ago) link

six years pass...

I couldn't find the thread where somebody told the board about L!br@ry G3n3sis, so this will do -- I just discovered a new (to me) site called Re@d A11 C0mics.

http://readallcomics.com/

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:56 (two years ago) link

Thanks, I read the first three issues of The Blue Flame and some Justice League Europe. I felt dirty but good

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 29 July 2021 15:21 (two years ago) link

The site makes it much easier for me to Just Fucking Read The Comic rather than store the file on my computer and put off reading it forever

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 29 July 2021 15:22 (two years ago) link

TY WmC - I went looking for old letter columns in issues of Marvel's The Champions (for 'research' purposes obv) but the scans I checked on that site were all from later printings with recolouring, no ads, bullpen bulletin etc. Fine if you just need to read the story - but I like all the surrounding matter as much as the strips themselves (which always look better shot directly from the comics, imho)

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 29 July 2021 15:34 (two years ago) link

I know this isn't the thread for such things but the omnibi (at least the ones I've bought) have been pretty good lately about including such ancillary material of late. No non-house ads, obvs, but everything else.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 July 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link

i am continuing my shameful daily metadata entry for my 150k+ megaarchive, which is a terrible OCD project i've been doing on and off for years dependent on my stress levels... more when i'm anxiety ridden. 3/4 of the way through inputting 7 or 8 meticulously managed bits of archiving info per file, for about 1M handtyped details! Oh boy, this is useless! Cheaper than medication likely.

is any of this data that could also be usefully added to the GCD, if you want to feel like your labor has a communal benefit?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 July 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link

or vice versa, any way of 'leveraging' that data to save yourself some work?

koogs, Thursday, 29 July 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link

i am using a horribly outdated reader unfortunately and i would need a tech savvy person's work to help me figure this out. I'm on Ehon. Anybody wanna hold my hand?

Marvel Unlimited needs you forks

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 29 July 2021 20:32 (two years ago) link


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