Surprised there isn't already a thread for her. I got her story collection Homesick for Another World when it came out in February and was totally floored. There's a story in the middle - I can't remember the title - about an older wealthy Manhattan couple that made me gasp, felt like a kick in the stomach. I read her 2015 novel Eileen a couple weeks ago and it was just as fantastic. She's my favorite contemporary American writer - pitch black sense of humor, clean & tight prose, and a pessimism/cynicism that's really refreshing in a sea of Pollyanna fiction. I got her 2014 novella McGlue last week and I can't wait to read it.
― flappy bird, Friday, 7 July 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
i really liked eileen, it was so grody
― na (NA), Friday, 7 July 2017 20:37 (six years ago) link
fu flappy i wanted to start this thread http://rs22.pbsrc.com/albums/b315/tempestwithin/Icons%20and%20Avatars/2022379-1.gif~c200
McGlue is one of the most genuinely /grisly/ things i've ever read. in a good way; easily the best writing about violence in american lit since Cormac McCarthy. also the best description of a hangover. and when the narrator [SPOILER] sticks his finger into his skull(!) *full body shudder* it's dark as fuck but also, as mcglue's memory fleshes it out, his relationship with Johnson is revealed to be really tender and sweet. and just line by line, hilarious and wicked sharp writing (i love what rivka galchen--who nominated mcglue for a fancy prize that afaict launched her career--is quoted as saying on the back cover blurb of mcglue about "the mouthfeel of language"; sometimes you can read his slur straight off the page) one random example i remember is mcglue describing himself as "peddling my legs around Salem like a wind-up doll looking for a glass teat to suck" cracked me up
i'm about half way through Eileen as the moment and it's really good but the plot is just about to kick off and it took a while to set up. all i can say for now is: she is so good at exploring the interior life of her characters, and the scene where [SPOILER] Eileen describes pooping after eating laxatives was hysterical. Eileen is kinda a Daria-ish misanthrope stuck in a hyperbolically drab and pathetic life
i've got the short story collection on order at the campus bookshop
― flopson, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:01 (six years ago) link
I bought the stories collection some months back - it really resonated with me but I need to re-read it in a different mood at some point to see how I feel. Bleak as fuck.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 24 August 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link
"Slumming" (is that the title? my copy is packed away now) in particular just rattled me.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 24 August 2017 23:22 (six years ago) link
new short story in the new yorker: Pictures of the Dead
― flappy bird, Thursday, 30 November 2017 06:14 (six years ago) link
just got the stories collections, so goddamn good~
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 9 December 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
same! its cracking me up
― flopson, Saturday, 9 December 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
Wish i liked her more: eileen just seemed like highsmith or jackson done not as well
Her book coming next yr looks promising, though.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 10 December 2017 09:13 (six years ago) link
eileen is the weakest of the three but still great imo. the stories are blowing my mind
she gives a bracing interview, really loved this one:
https://bombmagazine.org/articles/ottessa-moshfegh/
this, on the origin of mcglue, is illuminating:
McGlue is set in 1851. It was inspired by a brief article in a New England periodical from that year. I have lost the article by now, but the moment I read it, McGlue’s character emerged in full form. It was one long run-on sentence, as I recall, and read something like: “McGLUE. Salem. Mr. McGlue the sailor has been acquitted on the count of murder which he was found guilty of committing in the port of Zanzibar by reason of his being out of his mind since having hit his head when he fell from a train several months prior and because he was in a blacked out state of drunkenness at the time he stabbed a man to death.” There was the whole book right there: the character, the plot, the deformed language. I felt like I’d struck gold. I’d grown up in New England and could relate to McGlue’s self-destructive rebellion in the face of all that Puritanical cold. Once I started working on the book, I could hear him rambling around in my brain, impatient and wild. I spent my writing-energy trying to squeeze that chaos down into prose. Most of the book came out of me that way—painfully, as if possessed. It was important that I not think too hard about what I was writing down.
― flopson, Monday, 11 December 2017 01:20 (six years ago) link
The novel I’m writing now is all about Whoopi Goldberg and Ambien.
― johnny crunch, Monday, 11 December 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link
yes
― flappy bird, Monday, 11 December 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
i'm about half way through Eileen as the moment and it's really good but the plot is just about to kick off and it took a while to set up.
i'm 75 pages in & getting kinda impatient :(
― just sayin, Monday, 8 January 2018 05:46 (six years ago) link
It does not really improve, just gets sillier
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 8 January 2018 09:59 (six years ago) link
What a coincidence: she wrote the introduction to a new selected edition of Shirley Jackson stories I checked out of the library.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 January 2018 13:07 (six years ago) link
oh man Eileen is so good. keep going! and yea i preordered that Shirley Jackson collection just for Ottessa's intro, still have to actually read the book beyond her intro
― flappy bird, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
so she's writing a novel about oprah and ambien? love it
Shirley Jackson is sooooooooooooooo much better than Moshfegh
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 8 January 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
new novel!
My Year of Rest and Relaxation - July 10, 2018
A shocking, hilarious and strangely tender novel about a young woman’s experiment in narcotic hibernation, aided and abetted by one of the worst psychiatrists in the annals of literature. Our narrator has many of the advantages of life, on the surface. Young, thin, pretty, a recent Columbia graduate, she lives in an apartment on the Upper East Side of Manhattan paid for, like everything else, by her inheritance. But there is a vacuum at the heart of things, and it isn’t just the loss of her parents in college, or the way her Wall Street boyfriend treats her, or her sadomasochistic relationship with her alleged best friend. It’s the year 2000 in a city aglitter with wealth and possibility; what could be so terribly wrong?This story of a year spent under the influence of a truly mad combination of drugs, designed to heal us from our alienation from this world, shows us how reasonable, even necessary, that alienation sometimes is. Blackly funny, both merciless and compassionate – dangling its legs over the ledge of 9/11 – this novel is a showcase for the gifts of one of America’s major young writers working at the height of her powers.
This story of a year spent under the influence of a truly mad combination of drugs, designed to heal us from our alienation from this world, shows us how reasonable, even necessary, that alienation sometimes is. Blackly funny, both merciless and compassionate – dangling its legs over the ledge of 9/11 – this novel is a showcase for the gifts of one of America’s major young writers working at the height of her powers.
https://www.penguin.co.uk/content/dam/catalogue/pim/editions/173/9781787330412/cover.jpg.rendition.460.707.png
― flappy bird, Sunday, 18 February 2018 03:30 (six years ago) link
holy shit that sounds/looks good
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 18 February 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link
i started reading mcglue, gnarly
stoked
― flopson, Sunday, 18 February 2018 03:37 (six years ago) link
xp me too! halfway thru
― flappy bird, Sunday, 18 February 2018 03:37 (six years ago) link
EILEEN disappointed me a few weeks ago. I'm still curious about this one.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 February 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link
Really enjoying the beginning of EILEEN but can imagine that it might go awry
― Prometheus Freed's Rock and Roll Pâté (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 February 2018 15:25 (six years ago) link
I just finished Eileen & was very satisfied w it ftr
― scrüt (wins), Sunday, 18 February 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
Interesting to read that ppl were waiting for the plot to get going, I absolutely wasn't - just didn't seem like that sort of story, even with the "I should tell you again about the gun" stuff. When something did happen it was more consequential than I was expecting tbh - don't want to get too spoilery so will leave it there.
― scrüt (wins), Sunday, 18 February 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
I thought Christian Bale was laughably awful in American Psycho but later I read an interview where he explained he was doing a Tom Cruise impression the entire time, and there's definitely a similar thing going on in Eileen where the author is deliberately writing in a way that might seem simply laughably bad if you're not in on the joke.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 18 February 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
― scrüt (wins),
My problem was too much plot! It read like an attenuated short story, extended beyond its scope.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 February 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
at least the cover's good
― ||||||||, Sunday, 18 February 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
I get that tbf, I was thinking similar things (but with a more positive slant, like man I really wanna read her short stories cause that seems like the form she'd excel in) - but I don't really mind it. It's a pretty short novel so it feels like a short story where you just spend a little bit longer in the world. I also felt that there was a point to the structure in that Day 2 already feels like it should be the day of her disappearance, Eileen's situation feels unbearable and untenable, so the slow progress through several days of cringe-comedy setpieces was effective for me.
― scrüt (wins), Sunday, 18 February 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
Xp
I should go back to eileen, I think, though I heard real mixed reviews. I got to the end of the first chapter, thought 'you should have started the story here' and have not gone back to it since
― ||||||||, Sunday, 18 February 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
i don't think Eileen is as flawed as others do, but imo whatever problems it has are with mechanics or plot (if you read the interviews i posted upthread, Moshfegh repeatedly admits she 'sold out' to her og literary audience by making it so conventionally plotted, while i felt the plot dragged) while the writing line-by-line or paragraph-by-paragraph, is incredibly high quality. <tmi/slight spoiler> the scene where eileen describes her bowel movements was one of the funniest things i've read, but also an example of Perfect Writing imo
― flopson, Monday, 19 February 2018 00:19 (six years ago) link
Totally mystified by all the Eileen criticisms itt. McGlue was the one that felt like an overextended short story. flopson otm about that particular scene, though iirc constipation is a recurring theme throughout the book, and I just remember reading it and seeing that house so vividly and feeling how cluttered and trapped she was. Never thought once that it was overextended or too conventional, it was a very weird, dark, and satisfying novel. I do prefer Homesick for Another World though.
― flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 00:46 (six years ago) link
https://longreads.com/2018/07/05/a-person-alone-leaning-out-with-ottessa-moshfegh/
new moshfegh alert! drudge sirens!
The narrator of Ottessa Moshfegh’s new novel, My Year of Rest and Relaxation, a 24-year-old New Yorker, wants to shut the world out — by sedating herself into a near-constant slumber made possible by a cornucopia of prescription drugs. In various states of semi-consciousness, she begins “Sleepwalking, sleeptalking, sleep-online-chatting, sleepeating… sleepshopping on the computer and sleepordered Chinese delivery. I’d sleepsmoked. I’d sleeptexted and sleeptelephoned.” Her daily life revolves around sleeping as much as possible, and when she’s not sleeping, she’s pretty much obsessed with strategizing how to knock herself out for even longer the next time, constantly counting out her supply of pills.
― na (NA), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
oh there's already an update on that up there. sorry.
― na (NA), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
yea im excited for this
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
preordered way back in February Looks like this is the Ambien and Oprah novel
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
I think the thing that I have in common with this character is that I am acutely aware of how much I do not like my own mind. When I’m not distracted by my imagination or by something external, time passing feels like I’m just waiting for the time to pass until I die. It’s kind of like vigilant awareness of mortality and mindfulness.
otm
― flopson, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/09/ottessa-moshfeghs-otherworldly-fiction
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 July 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
Moshfegh once told Vice, which published some of her early work, “My writing lets people scrape up against their own depravity, but at the same time it’s very refined . . . it’s like seeing Kate Moss take a shit.”
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 July 2018 19:12 (five years ago) link
lmao. love her
― flopson, Friday, 6 July 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
Yeah, will be buying this next week.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 July 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link
When I’m not distracted by my imagination or by something external, time passing feels like I’m just waiting for the time to pass until I die.
This is an ego problem, not a mind problem.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 7 July 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
Get one mustard seed, why dontcha
― Pwn Goal Picnic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 July 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
new book is great so far, pretty early on tho
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
yea im maybe 60 pgs ini mean this in a value neutral way but it reads like fight club sorta idkgetting away from toxic femininity and social climbing by sleeping rather than getting away from toxic consumerism by fighting
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
Dwight Garner says that she writes with "so much misanthropic aplomb, however, that she is always a deep pleasure to read."
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 22:51 (five years ago) link
Also 60 pages in, waiting for the bomb to split.
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 July 2018 04:42 (five years ago) link
I can’t quite get with Dwight Garner, sorry.
― Pwn Goal Picnic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 July 2018 02:03 (five years ago) link
I mean in general, not what he said about OM.
― Pwn Goal Picnic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:28 (five years ago) link
Finished the book just now. Really disappointed.
~~~~SPOILERS~~~~
using 9/11 for suspense / as a central dramatic device is such a cliché and so worn out and I'm stunned that a writer as talented as OM would utilize it.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 15 July 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link
Having a similar reaction to this as I had to The Killing of a Sacred Deer. Need to sit with it.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
Ottessa Moshfegh really, really loves herself, doesn't she?
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 19 July 2018 04:44 (five years ago) link
haven’t read the nyorker profile yet but a friend recounted to me the story of how she met her partner (came over to interview her, and stayed inside her house for 17 days) i thought that was very romantic
― flopson, Thursday, 19 July 2018 05:38 (five years ago) link
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison)
don't you?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 05:52 (five years ago) link
Should be part of yr Buddha nature.
― Isora Clubland (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 July 2018 10:15 (five years ago) link
I loathe myself, and I'm not that keen on her, either.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 19 July 2018 10:21 (five years ago) link
i've only read her short story collection which is at times brilliant and at times truly horrendous, which is how i feel about her generally and her persona in interviews. the husband seems like such a massive bellend.
i've started to read the interviews for a laugh, generally. this one is fairly good: https://longreads.com/2018/07/05/a-person-alone-leaning-out-with-ottessa-moshfegh/
The ’90s were really, really different from the decades that preceded. At least, I felt. A lot of cultural shifts happened. You could get away with being weirder. Now things are so policed. You can’t even really express an opinion without getting haters on social media. But in the ’90s we had Nirvana
not sure i could bother with a novel.
― FernandoHierro, Thursday, 19 July 2018 10:22 (five years ago) link
lol
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 10:35 (five years ago) link
seems like a smart decision
― flopson, Thursday, 19 July 2018 11:56 (five years ago) link
The NYer profile completely turned me off of ever reading her. My loss, perhaps.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 19 July 2018 12:27 (five years ago) link
Maybe she meant it this way: "But in the '90s we had Nirvana *smirk* "
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 12:39 (five years ago) link
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:27 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yep
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
Who should we be reading besides Moshfegh? It seems like a problem with all media but we're living in a time where the gonzo-ness of reality is outstripping literature's ability to articulate anything compelling or insightful about it.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link
She's far and away the best young fiction writer in America. Struggling to think of anyone else that's even close.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
https://www.thecut.com/2018/07/profile-ottessa-moshfegh.html
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
At the time I read moshfegh's story collection, I was also reading a novella about someone skating in abandoned swimming pools while dealing with her brother's drug addiction, and another novella about a corridista who sings himself into a ganglord's castle, and none of them struck me as being better or worse than the other (to the point I don't remember who the authors are). What is it about moshfegh you would say is more deserving of attention?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
I relate to her misanthropy, her cynicism, her confidence, and her wounded optimism. On a technical level she's a fantastic writer & in the story collection demonstrated a pretty stunning range of voices & managed to consistently surprise me. And she's hilarious.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
imo if a profile of a writer turns you off the writer the blame likely lies more on the writer of the profile of the writer herself. i love her interviews ymmv
― flopson, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
If the appeal of a writer is largely persona-driven, then it seems like a good proxy for whether you'd enjoy reading her stuff, though.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
It’s not at all persona driven for me. I knew nothing about her before I read Homesick for Another World - the qualities I listed above I found in her writing.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link
Right, but the qualities you initially point to describe a representation of an author, a voice, a sensibility, which are things I don't particularly like about, say, David Eggers' writing, but I'm enjoying Monk of Mokha right now.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
Okay... what is the question again
― flappy bird, Friday, 20 July 2018 01:36 (five years ago) link
Which question? It seems like you answered that the distinguishing appeal is the specific personality and attitude that comes through her writing. I couldn't really speak to the technical level of writing as it didn't seem miles and away more accomplished than two randomly selected pieces of fiction I happened to have picked up at the time. Is there something specific you'd say she does on a technical level that other writers don't do as well?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 July 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link
haven’t read the new one yet but the stories, mcglue, and eileen are all v different and i don’t get a consistent persona from reading her stuff. she’s a bit of an ‘edgelord’ i guess but in a way i find cool
― flopson, Friday, 20 July 2018 03:42 (five years ago) link
the appeal of her writing was v immediate to me but ive had mixed results in turning friends onto her, if u don’t like the stories it’s nbd, like there’s no big secret to it; flappy’s description gets at her appeal pretty well. i would say maybe try mcglue just bc it’s an awesome piece of writing, if you still wanna give it a try
― flopson, Friday, 20 July 2018 04:03 (five years ago) link
I read the stories and eileen and they did seem of a piece, a kind of similar detachment. what should I look for in mcglue from a writing POV? (I feel like if i notice what a writer is doing, the writer's doing a bad job, so i'm not going to automatically take notice of really good writing)
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 July 2018 04:15 (five years ago) link
this thread makes me remember that i thought mcglue sounded like something i'd enjoy, despite my reservations. may well give it a try.
― FernandoHierro, Friday, 20 July 2018 13:03 (five years ago) link
anybody else finish the book yet? thoughts?
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 July 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link
She has a talent for depicting squalor.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 July 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
I started it and I'm not sure how I feel yet, but it does make for excellent bedtime reading.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 23 July 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
i finished & liked the book...i think maybe less than i liked eileen? i dont have any issue w the end, fully understood & knew 9/11 was gonna be implicated here
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 01:54 (five years ago) link
the end as a set of snapshots, step out into a new world, felt poignant to me w/e. old person on a bench how did they get there. self-observation so much different than eileen but also the same. a person observing themselves 200+ pages but stillcompelling?like alfred says, squalor, lotta pages of itnothing compares to the short stories for me, havent read mcgluedont ever read interviews of anyone ever obv why u torturing urselves
― alomar lines, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 05:44 (five years ago) link
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m/l my thoughts, though reiterating that certain characters work in the world trade center pretty much robs the rest of the book of suspense. i suppose the ending could be read as a final indictment of the vacuity and banal selfishness of the narrator.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 06:15 (five years ago) link
Great interview with OM on the Bret Easton Ellis Podcast today. Behind a paywall but worth it: https://www.patreon.com/posts/b-e-e-podcast-10-21822014
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 18:06 (five years ago) link
the novel she's working on now 1) stars a Chinese cross dresser 2) the first chapter is narrated by a ghost
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
reading this while depressed and in a fog of over-sleeping + barely leaving my apartment has been quite the trip
― flopson, Sunday, 7 October 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
Omg, I had the same experience. Sent me in to a total tailspin. I gave it to my wife and she got depressed, too. Not recommended (or highly recommended) for delicate readers feeling anxious or hopeless about current events.
― Yelploaf, Sunday, 7 October 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
the psychiatrist is just the best though
― flappy bird, Sunday, 7 October 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link
Yeah, Dr. Tuttle the best drawn character imo.
― Yelploaf, Sunday, 7 October 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
despite the descriptions of her having red hair I always picture her as Fran Lebowitz
― flappy bird, Sunday, 7 October 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link
Reading her short stories. She’s good with conception, setup, and details, but shit on endings
― calstars, Sunday, 20 January 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
Who is good at endings, though?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:08 (five years ago) link
'my year' is the worst thing i have read since 'ready player one'
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 24 January 2019 06:06 (five years ago) link
the sort of sub-lanchesterian satire-adjacent archness of it
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 24 January 2019 06:53 (five years ago) link
the (tongue-in-cheek? or genuinely fucking stupid?) september 11th 2001 millenarianism
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 24 January 2019 06:54 (five years ago) link
this is otm:
It read like an attenuated short story, extended beyond its scope.
though i think alfred is actually referring to her other book there
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 24 January 2019 06:57 (five years ago) link
tin ear approaching lanchesterian proportions also. i just got to the bit where the narrator orders “a case of sexual lubricant” which is good enough for the man himself almost
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
that tic of novels trying to prove a point about their new yorkiness by playing mad libs with ETHNICITY + SERVICE INDUSTRY
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:48 (five years ago) link
the laotian lady at the korean beauticians messed up when she was threading my eyebrows so i bought a cannoli from the iraqis at the jewish delicatessen and ordered a sicilian pizza from the sephardic jews at the Italian restaurant and hoped they’d send me the cute eritrean delivery driver
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:51 (five years ago) link
have you read anything else by her
― flappy bird, Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link
hough i think alfred is actually referring to her other book there
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp),
yeah -- Eileen
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link
no one knows who lanchester is thom
― flopson, Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
she nailed the ending in Eileen imo, and the stories are impeccably constructed. I didn't like MYORAR at all though.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
it made me laugh a few times but a bit of a letdown tho i had high expectations
― flopson, Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:53 (five years ago) link
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― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, January 24, 2019 10:51 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao
― flopson, Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
If you haven’t read the John Lanchester thread you should leave ILB and not come back until you are ready to learn
― gray say nah to me (wins), Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
ay ay captain
― flappy bird, Thursday, 24 January 2019 18:36 (five years ago) link
it’s a good thread but i categorically object to american writers being called lanchesteresque. also otessa has a great ear imo
― flopson, Thursday, 24 January 2019 18:37 (five years ago) link
Who the fuck is John Lanchester?
― calstars, Thursday, 24 January 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link
― gray say nah to me (wins), Thursday, 24 January 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, 24 January 2019 21:02 (five years ago) link
And what does he have to do with OM?
― calstars, Thursday, 24 January 2019 21:24 (five years ago) link
― gray say nah to me (wins), Thursday, 24 January 2019 21:32 (five years ago) link
Take it to the JL thread
― calstars, Thursday, 24 January 2019 23:02 (five years ago) link
Read “A Dark and Winding Road” from the short stories and hated it, but "sub-Lanchester" is a bit of a low blow.
Maybe I picked the wrong story? It felt very I WILL SHOCK YOU, like the annoying over-talkative person at a party
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 25 January 2019 00:29 (five years ago) link
I don’t mean to sound down on her, she’s brought me a good deal of pleasure. Still reading the short stories but will definitely go on to Eileen and Year. It’s just the endings...dark and winding is a good example of how she tries to up-end / shock the reader. Or “the beach boy” which isn’t very interesting to start with and just kind of putters to a stall. I know short stories are hard to end well - it takes a good measure of poetry. Maybe I’m being too hard on her.
― calstars, Friday, 25 January 2019 00:38 (five years ago) link
Stories okay but at least we had Nirvana
― FernandoHierro, Friday, 25 January 2019 00:39 (five years ago) link
(if the end of the short story is shit then it is a fail, I liked her collection a lot but also feel many great writers finish stories well)
― FernandoHierro, Friday, 25 January 2019 00:42 (five years ago) link
What's considered a good ending though, especially when it's not particularly plot oriented?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 25 January 2019 01:03 (five years ago) link
I'm rereading Flannery O'Connoor, and, boy, she could end'em, sometimes at the risk of being reductive.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 January 2019 01:04 (five years ago) link
she sold her hair to buy him a watch chain - but he sold his watch to buy her a set of combs
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 25 January 2019 01:11 (five years ago) link
I'm only answering this because I just read it, but Robert Aickman's short story "The Inner Room" has a *great* ending
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 25 January 2019 01:19 (five years ago) link
the extent of the american annoyance at comparing a bad book of yours to one of ours is half amusing and half dispiriting
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 25 January 2019 02:33 (five years ago) link
and i haven’t read the others. mcglue sounds .. more amenable? .. and certainly it is possible for writers of talent to produce bad books so i might give her another go. but this one just seems a spectacular series of own goals and self-owns
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 25 January 2019 02:39 (five years ago) link
McGlue is her worst one imo, Homesick & Eileen are the gems
― flappy bird, Friday, 25 January 2019 04:22 (five years ago) link
Eileen is at best OK, but why read it when you have the complete works of Patricia Highsmith doing it all so, so much better
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 25 January 2019 04:24 (five years ago) link
I think the really great short stories are so much about character that maybe they've gone deep enough along the way to earn a fairly simple ending. tbf I don't remember thinking the Mosfegh stories ended badly, though I'd have to reread. I did think one or two, particularly the final story in the collection, were really poor. But I think that's common with short story collections, it is rare for every story in a collection to be brilliant and they do tend to frontload them. I've read collections where the last two or three were so bad it almost ruined a brilliant beginning.
I think it's Flannery O'Connor's Good Country People about which she said something to the effect of not knowing the end until the second she wrote it, and then realising it couldn't end any other way. Even that feels a bit too focussed on the importance of plot to me but I still like the quote, and all her writing about writing.
― FernandoHierro, Friday, 25 January 2019 08:02 (five years ago) link
saying she’s a bad writer is crazy to me
― flopson, Friday, 25 January 2019 22:10 (five years ago) link
O'Connor's remarks about endings have been myblodesrsrs foryears
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 January 2019 22:17 (five years ago) link
Uh lodestars
this book makes me want to reread tao lin and a.m. homes and bits of lydia davis
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 26 January 2019 04:00 (five years ago) link
although now there’s a random mention of mao II and i am going, oh, yes, of course
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 26 January 2019 08:21 (five years ago) link
Ok I’ve got an example: the story Nothing Ever Happens Here. Last paragraph tries to put a spin on the events to that point but it’s not necessary. Why kill the mystery? The story should have ended with the old lady touching the dude’s face. Maybe OM just needs an editor.
― calstars, Saturday, 26 January 2019 14:14 (five years ago) link
eileen was chronic
― ||||||||, Saturday, 26 January 2019 20:42 (five years ago) link
is patricia highsmith really as raunchy and grotesque as Eileen, james?
― flopson, Saturday, 26 January 2019 22:09 (five years ago) link
https://garage.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/wjm5xm/whoopi-goldberg-ottessa-moshfegh
― just sayin, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 08:40 (five years ago) link
Not content to EGOT, Whoopi Goldberg is setting her sights on the fashion industry. Novelist Ottessa Moshfegh, her biggest fan, pays her a visit.
― just sayin, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 08:41 (five years ago) link
The last quarter of Eileen is so dumb, ridiculous and cliched. I feel like I’ve been cheated out of hours of my life getting this far.
― calstars, Saturday, 16 February 2019 03:31 (five years ago) link
every time this thread gets bumped im like well looks like me and flappy are the only 2 ppl on this entire site who don’t hate this writer lol
― flopson, Saturday, 16 February 2019 04:57 (five years ago) link
Going to read Eileen so I can say it's bad itt
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 16 February 2019 07:30 (five years ago) link
time honoured ilx tradition
― ||||||||, Saturday, 16 February 2019 07:47 (five years ago) link
Also she has a bad take on Whoopi in TNG
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 16 February 2019 22:30 (five years ago) link
lol some other people like her I think
calstars maybe you'd like McGlue, can't remember if you already read it. pretty different from the rest of her stuff and my least favorite, I feel like if you don't dig Eileen or the stories you might like McGlue.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 February 2019 22:32 (five years ago) link
Thanks flappy, I just started Year and will check out mcGlue after that. I like her a lot, just get frustrated with her
― calstars, Saturday, 16 February 2019 23:59 (five years ago) link
Whenever she appeared on-screen, I sensed she was laughing at the whole production. Her presence made the show completely absurd. That was true of all her movies, too.
Kind of a strange compliment to give an actor. Apparently Whoopi is chill about it though.
― o. nate, Sunday, 17 February 2019 03:04 (five years ago) link
Totally wrong
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 17 February 2019 03:06 (five years ago) link
Guinan is a totally earnest performance and whoopi approached the producers about appearing on the show as a fan of the original Star Trek (the part was then written for her)
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 17 February 2019 03:11 (five years ago) link
I liked Eileen! The whoopi and Harrison ford stuff in the new one felt like some sub-American psycho shit
― gray say nah to me (wins), Sunday, 17 February 2019 08:10 (five years ago) link
Yeah. Not to mention that Trevor seems to be based on P Bateman or maybe since it’s set 15 years after A Psycho, that character might be modeling his personality on the book / movie. The scenes with him in it with the main character read like rosencrantz and guildenstern style perspective shifts of scenes that could be A Psycho outtakes.
― calstars, Sunday, 17 February 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link
read the first two stories in the collection. (i know -- not enough to form an impression -- but still, form one i did.)
she is an extremely talented humorist. both "bettering myself" and "mr. wu" are kind of like, elaborate and fucked up jokes. "bettering myself" is less depressing because the narrator, who is the butt of the joke, is also in on the joke.
the characters are profoundly alienated and misanthropic. their lives feel like a kind of purgatory. probably more than half of all contemporary literary fiction seems to feature characters like this, which seems notable.
the ending of "mr wu" is brilliant, deranged and masterfully crafted. but i'm not sure what i'm supposed to make of that story or that character. i also wonder if anyone found that story racist.
― treeship., Monday, 13 January 2020 04:07 (four years ago) link
HOLY SHIT
Ottessa Moshfegh’s My Year of Rest and Relaxation is to be made into a movie by none other than Yorgos Lanthimos. Name a more iconic duo. H U G E !— Louise Benson (@benson_louise) January 6, 2020
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 23:40 (four years ago) link
New novel Death in Her Hands out in August (was scheduled for this month)
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71D6XhjXZQL.jpg
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:51 (four years ago) link
Cover art on her books is consistently far better than the contents deserve
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 9 April 2020 12:30 (four years ago) link
I'm surprised I haven't seen more mentions of 'My Year...' as proto-quarantine lit.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 April 2020 14:00 (four years ago) link
“Sub-American Psycho shit” is still basically where I am with “my year” but I would watch the lanthimos adaptation no question
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 14:04 (four years ago) link
sad this got pushed back but i have enough to read rn i guess
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
i read mcglue a little after i was being grumpy on this thread. maybe i would have felt more charitable about it had i not read my year first but, gosh.
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 16 April 2020 12:47 (four years ago) link
She is very gifted but what I’ve read of her work is incredibly and unrelentingly misanthropic. The fact that someone so talented is writing about characters like this—like, that this is for her a plausible representation of humanity as such, even if it’s supposed to be a slight parody—is cause for alarm I think.
― treeship., Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:10 (four years ago) link
I’ve only read that short story collection and the stories were really funny and well-crafted but unrelenting. There really wasn’t any sympathy or generosity in there, that I saw, to add levity to the pettiness and seething hatred. This was the source of the humor, obviously—like a really committed version of curb your enthusiasm—but it seems notable that these kind of characters and narratives feel naturalistic to contemporary. It’s like one part of human psychology has been given outsized prominence. It’s either a problem with capitalism or with fiction.
― treeship., Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:18 (four years ago) link
*feels naturalistic to contemporary readers
Including myself, I should say. I wouldn’t be surprised to open up the minds of other New Yorkers, for instance, and find these kinds of bizarre solipsistic dramas playing out.
― treeship., Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:21 (four years ago) link
McGlue seems like it could be interesting though. Hard to imagine what she’d do with a historical setting.
― treeship., Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/books/ottessa-moshfegh-death-in-her-hands.html
― johnny crunch, Friday, 17 April 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link
Just finished the new one, love it.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 July 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link
Nice didn’t realize it was out yet
― flopson, Thursday, 2 July 2020 05:42 (three years ago) link