the humid, overachieving FLORIDA MARLINS thread

None of you fantasy geniusesknow thenature of Lowell's benching, eh...

And hey the Cubs have made it 7-5.

None of you fantasy geniuses know the nature of Lowell's benching, eh...

And hey the Cubs have made it 7-5.

D-Train came from ...

An ex-teammate of mine, A.J. Burnett, came up with that. He said to me one time, "D-Train, our team is going to go as far you are going to take us." I was a rookie at that time and he said it in front of a lot of reporters and that's basically the wrong thing to do if you want to keep it a secret. They started writing it and the next thing you know people are calling me "D-Train" and they don't even know my real name.

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I'm so upset it didn't come from the group D-Train! Think of the soundtrack opportunities!

- sell off veterans for prospects in bad-PR, good-strategery move
- bring in bench coach from staff of over-respected managerial genius to manage
- give starting jobs to a bunch of who-dats
- suck expected amounts of ass for 1-2 months, despite surprising who-dat performances
- improve incrementally so as to linger like dog piss in NL wildcard morass
- get in idiot fight w/ now-beloved manager
- inch closer and closer to regular season success (relatively speaking)
- win 3rd wildcarded World Series
- kill manager (impaled on Marlin - irony!)
- blow up team plane w/ players in it
- move to Cuba
- kill any and all Castros
- realize dream to become Brando's Kurtz from Apocalypse Now
- spread democracy

Fish in six!

If the Marlins make the playoffs, I want them to go all the way and win it all again. They are a bit like the team in movie Major League, except they are owned by a dork instead of some hot looking showgirl type.

A no-hitter and 500+ ABs don't turn Annie & HanRam into Doug Drabek & Fred McGriff.

To be fair: 7-2, 2.89 ERA, 1.19 WHIP

and 500+ ABs

With that logic, why get excited about any rookie ever? Ramirez was the best rookie shortstop in baseball this year, and easily outproduced Loretta or Alex Gonzalez. Beyond that, he was much cheaper, and the Sox never bothered to give him a chance.

Will Girardi be managing Washington next year?

Which Marlin will be Rookie of the Year? Johnson, Uggla, Ramirez?

Gotta think Verlander has it sewn up in the AL with a 1/3+ more innings than Weaver and Liriano and no real position player competition.

Hanley Ramirez 46.3
Dan Uggla 44.7
Josh Johnson 40.3
Matt Cain 39.0

(The stat is not really comparable for pitchers and pos.players, but eh)

Fortunately for Girardi, the Cubs will be looking for a new manager who knows how to treat young arms.

You frag a multi-million dollar pitching prospect, you're going to get fired. 'Twas ever thus, actually. You can go back more than 50 years and find comments by general managers bemoaning the fact that their managers didn't understand that an organization didn't invest all that money in signing and educating a young player just to have the manager bury him through misuse or because he just didn't like the way he wore his socks.

Girardi will get another shot, and maybe he deserves one. But let it not be said that his firing was completely arbitrary.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28738
R. Vanden Hurk (FLA)
6 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 4 K
@ ATL
7th

It was my intent to include this at the top.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/columnists/nophoto_65x90.gif

way 2 jinx

Marlins pitcher Scott Olsen arrested
July 21, 2007

AVENTURA, Fla. (AP) -- Florida Marlins pitcher Scott Olsen was arrested early Saturday after refusing to pull over and getting into a fight with police officers.

The 23-year-old Olsen was booked into the Miami-Dade county jail on charges of driving under the influence, resisting arrest with violence and fleeing and eluding a police officer. He remained in jail on Saturday afternoon.

Police Lt. Michael Bentolila said Olsen was arrested in the Miami suburb of Aventura, where an officer clocked him driving 48 mph in a 35 mph zone and attempted to pull him over at about 3:40 a.m.

Olsen, the winning pitcher in the Marlins' 10-2 victory over the Cincinnati Reds on Friday, continued to drive about one mile, running a stop sign before stopping at his Aventura home, Bentolila said.

He got out of his car and sat down on a plastic chair in front of his home. When backup officers arrived and tried to arrest him, Bentolila said Olsen kicked at the officers, who used a stun gun on the 6-foot-5 pitcher.

Olsen then failed a field sobriety test and refused an alcohol breath test, Bentolila said. A booking photo showed Olsen had two scrapes on his forehead over his right eye.

The Marlins did not immediately return calls seeking comment. Agent Matt Sosnick declined to talk.

The arrest was the latest in a string of troubles for the left-hander. Friday night was Olsen's return from a two-game suspension without pay after a confrontation with teammate and fellow pitcher Sergio Mitre.

Olsen received a black eye last season from his friend and former teammate, reliever Randy Messenger, in an off-the-field confrontation in St. Petersburg. He also was fined an unspecified amount in June for making an obscene gesture toward fans in Milwaukee.

Olsen will earn $380,000 this season, his third with the Marlins.

Fuck this guy. I am trading him off of my team in MLB2K6 as soon as I get home.

hahaha

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4462/20070912dsmt8.jpg

"There were no more than about 400 fans in attendance at the game's peak."

Presumably 40,000 people stayed home because they don't like the stadium.

And it's humid.

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Eight runs, none earned for Olsen. Is that some kind of record?

we'll find out

VandenAssHurt, rite?

Up with Badenhop!

everytime i absolve myself from rooting for them i always get sucked back in!

could be mildly dangerous once starting pitching gets healthy

could be mildly dangerous once starting pitching gets healthy

Please to name 3/5ths of their starting rotation w/out using a reference guide or the tubes. And then watch in horror as they either spontaneously combust or are paper-cut to death by the team defense.

Miller's young Bobby Witt control (while needing 100 pitches to get through five innings) plus that defense = Weaverian ERA for the foreseeable future

As I was saying

DEAR MARLINS IF YOU WISH TO OPTIMIZE YOUR ANDREW MILLER TRADE VALUE IN 4-5 YEARS YOU WILL SEND HIM TO AAA RIGHT NOW AND LEAVE HIM THERE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON

Yeah, dude's not ready.

First in the NL East, last in MLB attendance

one of those is temp

Yeah, they're totally gonna start drawing more fans as soon as folks realize the team's in first!

Uecker, last night: "Beautiful night for a ballgame...and no one showed up."

scott olsen maybe looks like a legit #1

or maybe a guy with a .193 BABIP! Look for a correction.

i have no idea what the fuck that even means

he's 4-1 with an ERA a little over 2 so i'll take my chances

so he walks a lot of dudes? hasn't really seemed to hurt him yet...

haha "yet" is the magic word

i mean his whip is still pretty far under the league average

That's because folks are hitting under .200 off him when they put the ball in play (AKA that BABIP Morbs threw out). That's a .193 average when the hitter makes CONTACT, not when the hitter's at the plate. Unless I'm mistaken, even an ace like Johan Santana has a BABIP around .290, if not higher. No pitcher's that good. That, combined w/ the fact that he's not K-ing as many guys as he has in the past, most likely means he's been lucky wrt to what's happened to balls put in play against him, and there's likely to be a little stat-bump (in a bad way) coming around the corner.

Unless he and Cliff Lee underwent the same off-season training regiment. Then he's a true #1 and Cy Young front-runner fo sho.

yeah i mean i'm not saying that he's gonna go 19-5 or something but he's showing flashes. sadly i never see their games so i can't corroborate whether or not he's just been getting lucky breaks, but i mean even if his babip bumps he still looks like a front of the rotation type of dude

imo-- but then again i haven't actually seen him throw this year

and in the end the marlins' slot in the baseball cosmos of 08 is going to end up being a team that maybe no one in the east wants to play when they are fighting for a playoff spot in aug/sept and i'm very okay with that

F--- you and your f------ "The Team No One Wants To Play."

Best record in baseball?!?

lol i didnt even notice

should be able to take at least 2 of 3 from both cincy and kc but at the end of the month @ nym and @ phi so we'll see

DEAR MARLINS IF YOU WISH TO OPTIMIZE YOUR ANDREW MILLER TRADE VALUE IN 4-5 YEARS YOU WILL SEND HIM TO AAA RIGHT NOW AND LEAVE HIM THERE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON

-- Andy K, Tuesday, 8 April 2008 17:06 (1 month ago) Link

N/m

who ARE these guys?

fish have got some ARMS in the pen man...i always liked Waechter in TB & if Pinto & this Lindstrom kid have figured out their control they are pretty formidible w/ a lead.

Jun 9 3B Jorge Cantu doesn't expect to replace the offensive production of the Marlins' previous third baseman, Miguel Cabrera, but the team is more than happy with his numbers so far. Through Florida's first 62 games, Cantu is batting .287 with 11 home runs and 34 RBIs. He has three home runs and three doubles in a current streak of three multi-hit games. Cabrera is batting .270 with eight homers and 35 RBI for the Detroit Tigers. "I don't see it that way," Cantu said when told about the statistics comparison. "I'm me. I'm Cantu. I just go out there and keep performing the way I can. Hopefully at some point in the season, (I can) regain that status I had back in Tampa Bay."

:D

http://www.deathrow-usa.us/PeterCantuBild.jpg
I'm Cantu

Cody Ross, moron, on Griffey's 600 ball:

Marlins outfielder Cody Ross, a huge Griffey fan who got his autograph during the four-game series against the Reds, wishes things were a lot simpler.

"Just give it to the Hall of Fame, get to meet him, get an autograph, whatever," Ross said. "But people get greedy. They want to make some money."

cole hamels meet cantu

Brandon Lyon, meet Cantu.

after the single, cantu was immediately mobbed at first by alfredo amezega, who jumped on him. in the post-game cantu was asked about it and he said "he's light and i can carry him. for a mexican, you just can't beat that."

Marlins telecasts sound like community access coverage of high school baseball.

<3

Clay Condrey, meet Cantu.

best meme

Pretty much.

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Nine wins in a row

Maybin

.818/.846/.818

Bucknor, meet Cantu, blow call at plate.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2mgjnv6.jpg

in the next frame the met chokes on a bone and dies

I had no idea these dudes won two world series

these dudes didn't.

worst Mr Met cartoon ever

Approval for new stadium:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4010908&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

Baseball is here to stay in South Florida!?

Changing their name to Miami Marlins, apparently.

I've very mixed feelings about it. Our county commission is gleefully corrupt.

our TWO new baseball stadia in NY don't exactly pass the smell test.

when they build it, i may visit.

"We keep hearing 'If you build it they will come,'" Commissioner Katy Sorenson said. "I don't believe it. And this field of dreams is going to be a nightmare for our taxpayers."

deMause, on the case:

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2009/03/3602_marlins_win_fin.html

im not all up on the $$ part of this but it's real dope down where the stadium will be built, great game day atmosphere ESPECIALLY compared to the stadium now which is like if the first thing you ever did in an empty world in the sims was build a stadium

the only thing is there is like no parking at all down there and if they build a garage (they are doing this right?)... i can't think of a worse idea than that

parking is bad?

http://cache-foo.deadspin.com/gawker/assets/images/11/2009/04/504x_marlinsdothepoohole.com

wow.

looooooooooooooool

Anibal Sanchez bears two painful reminders on his right shoulder and upper arm. One is the scar that surgeons left behind when they repaired a torn labrum that derailed his pitching career. The other is a tattoo depicting a facial likeness of his son, who died as an infant 15 months ago after being bitten by a mosquito.

Damn.

what >:(

btw this team is really good

Seriously.

Larry Beinfest has got to be the best GM in baseball, let's be honest.

i'm still not sold on uggla. why anybody throws him a fastball is beyond me.

yeah i like that they dont really worry abt catching the ball

yeah i like that they dont really worry abt catching the ball

― johnny crunch, Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:00 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark

defense hasn't been an issue this year + our corner outfielders have thus far shown the ability to catch fly balls

the team itself isn't sold on uggla either tbh, imo they were planning on having gaby sanchez play third base every day w/ uggla platooning with bonifacio at second but sanchez hit like .034 in the spring this year

altho he wrecked the braves this week - 6/11 with 7 or 8 rbis i wanna say - and he didn't hit a home run - big step

in fact this series they scored 21 runs in three games but only hit 1 home run - huuge turn around from last year

also capitalizing on chances that are handed to them (murphy's dropped fly ball in the santana 13 k game last sunday, kelly johnson blew a hella routine double play ball and cody ross hit a 3 run hr on the next pitch) which was a huge problem last year

CANTU singlehandedly won the series v the mets fwiw

but i am dubious this team is "really good." will take a lot to win more than 84 or so.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/this_apparently_that_year

amazing how much ink got spilled on 11-2 huh

well why not?

uh, because most .500+ teams have a similar 13-game stretch at some point in the season?

(i guess it's newsier if you expected Fla to lose 95 games, but I didn't)

i feel u but 11-2 in the first 13 games is different than 11-2 in july press-wise - it's better for them if ppl forget about them anyway

Neyer:

As you might recall, in the Marlins' first game this season, Bonifacio hit a home run, collected three singles and stole three bases. He was, for a day, the toast of the National League. In his first seven games, he batted .485 and radio hosts were asking me if this guy was for real (you might easily imagine my answer).

Bonifacio's line since those first seven games: .165/.224/.176.

Bonifacio's season line: .250/.295/.306 -- practically dead even with his career line (which now encompasses 345 plate appearances in the majors).

Honestly, when you enter a season with a player like Bonifacio in your lineup, you're just throwing games away. The Marlins are not generally a stupid franchise. So exactly how and why does something like this happen?

he's right - the thing about bonifacio is that he's even worthless as a lead off hitter because he swings at literally every pitch - the one thing is is that when he gets on he's a devil on the basepaths and he's played pretty solid defense

imo they need to bench maybin, move hanley back to leadoff and, start wes helms at third base and bat bonifacio 8th or 9th

which means moving bonifacio back to left field

Why would you bench Maybin over Bonifacio? Maybin's got actual upside.

yeah idk, either way having them bat 1-2 at this point is detrimental as hell

i dont know this for sure but besides hanley and cantu the guys with the highest OBP are hermida (top 3 in the nl in walk iirc) and john baker - those two need to be at the top of the lineup

i would just like to point out:

Sequoyah Stonecipher (428, Marlins)

I bet his nickname is Tree

ayo josh johnson is incredible

i think he's the best pitching "prospect" (for another team) the marlins have ever had - better than beckett, better than burnett, better than whoever else im forgetting

i fuckin love watching ramirez play

46,427 (120.4% full) - % is based on regular season capacity

^how is this possible

also what %age ny retirees

Dear Ricky Nolasco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE0pwJ5PMDg

he looked unhittable today fwiw - also his era is under 1.50 since he was called back up

marlins are the first NL team since 1929 to have 10+ hits in 14 straight games

nolasco gave up a 2 run HR in the first to carlos lee then he retired 23 in a row before giving up an infield single to michael bourn in the ninth

Neyer considers Hanley as MVP candidate:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-4-220/Let-s-not-anoint-Pujols-just-yet.html

is that surprising to you?

No, I would've put it in the "surprising analysis" thread, then.

Pujols' advantage over Ramirez is still substantial IMO though not overwhelming. The BBWAA's Albert Fatigue is the X factor.

Event Staff/security guy in foul territory, meet Cantu.

guys, i'm gonna be so, so butthurt if chris coghlan doesn't win rookie of the year

by VORP:

J.A. Happ 47.5
Tommy Hanson 36.4
Chris Coghlan 33.0
Andrew McCutchen 32.8
Garrett Jones 31.6
Randy Wells 31.4

by WARP3:

Happ 6.0
Wells 5.1
Hanson 4.8
Jones 4.0
McCutchen 3.1
Coghlan 3.0

eh whatever. the guy has 110 hits after the break. if he was on the mets he would've been on the cover of SI three weeks ago with tom verducci's semen included free with every issue.

That's the nice thing about seasons, they have two halves.

hits = silly counting stat

he's one of a few rookies with enough ABs for his stats to qualify and he's in the top 10 in BA, top 20 in OBP and top 25 in OPS

i could understand happ winning - mostly i'm just pre-bitching about small/larger market bias

unless garrett jones wins then ill stfu

How'd Lincecum beat Santana for the Cy last year?

yeah and i do think greinke is gonna run away with the cy this year

maybe u r right, doctor

we'll see

STATEMENT FROM MLBPA, FLORIDA MARLINS AND MLB REGARDING MARLINS’ COMPLIANCE WITH REVENUE SHARING PROVISIONS OF THE BASIC AGREEMENT

The following joint statement was issued today by the Major League Baseball Players Association, the Office of the Commissioner of Baseball and the Florida Marlins:

The Basic Agreement requires that each Club use its revenue sharing receipts in an effort to improve its performance on the field. This requirement is of obvious importance to all players, Clubs and fans of the game. In recent years, the Union has had concerns that certain Clubs have not lived up to this requirement, and has consulted regularly with the Commissioner’s Office about those concerns. The Florida Marlins are one of a number of Clubs that have been discussed.

After extensive discussions, the three parties are pleased to announce that they have reached an agreement regarding the Florida Marlins’ continued compliance with Article XXIV(B)(5)(a) of the Basic Agreement.

MLBPA Executive Director Michael Weiner said:
“In response to our concerns that revenue sharing proceeds have not been used as required, the Marlins have assured the Union and the Commissioner’s Office that they plan to use such proceeds to increase player payroll annually as they move toward the opening of their new ballpark. Today’s agreement, which covers the period 2010 through 2012, calls for ongoing communication among the Marlins, the Commissioner’s Office and the Union as the Marlins proceed with that plan. It also permits, after consultation among all parties, adjustments in the Marlins’ plan to respond to unforeseen developments, and calls for arbitral intervention if disagreements arise. We greatly appreciate the willingness of the Commissioner’s Office and the Marlins to engage with us and ensure that all terms of the Basic Agreement are met.”

Marlins’ President David Samson said:
“The Marlins have consistently made every effort to put the best product on the field and our record supports the fact that we have been successful in that regard. Throughout the discussions, the Marlins maintained that there had been no violation of the Basic Agreement at any time. While we know that the Marlins will always comply with the Basic Agreement, we were happy to work cooperatively with the Union and the Commissioner’s Office on this matter.”

MLB Executive Vice President, Labor Relations Rob Manfred added:
“The Basic Agreement contains confidentiality provisions that preclude the parties from publicly discussing the specifics of the Marlins’ finances. There will, therefore, be no comment by any of these parties on any further specifics of this agreement. All three parties agree that the Basic Agreement provision on the proper use of revenue sharing dollars is an important part of our agreement. Today’s announcement is the product of a positive dialogue between the MLBPA, the Commissioner’s Office and the Club.”

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