here's his current line
445AB 81runs 147hits 24 2b 38 HR 87 RBI 35 BB 65 K .330 .377 .640 1.018
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 21 August 2004 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 21 August 2004 05:55 (nineteen years ago) link
At this point Beltre would definitely finish no lower than fourth, Edmonds would be left behind. And if he keeps up his pace (50 HR is not a stretch, eek) he'd pass Rolen at least.
Doesn't matter, Bonds still takes it.
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 21 August 2004 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 21 August 2004 07:34 (nineteen years ago) link
i'm afraid you're right that edmonds would be left behind, but he shouldn't be. he's one of the best defensive centerfielders in baseball, plus he's got a style that's, shall we say, conducive to the highlight reels (though this may hurt as much as help, if not more), and to my eye he's trumping beltre offensively with a line of .303/.420/.633. but you're right, i think his whole persona/perception/general style is going to give him serious problems.
i'll check out the eqa/vorp/etc's of these guys in a sec.
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 21 August 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
rolen .337belte .329edmonds .340
vorp (offense+defensive position w/ playing time considered)
rolen 67.8beltre 63.4edmonds 62.9
zone ratings/defense
rolen .823 (2nd in NL)beltre .836 (1st in NL)
edmonds .874 (5th in NL)
pujols .906 (1st in NL)
beltre's defense has been a lot better than i'd figured, judging solely by zone rating. but i've little doubt that rolen is actually superior and that the mvp voters will think so as well. plus, rolen is rolen and beltre has a reputation as a malcontent. no one is going to forget that this is his free agent year.
i'd say edmonds is probably out of it because of his reputation and because of pujols (who, if the season ended today, would not beat out rolen). the "all the other guys around him" thing might hurt rolen were it not for his league leading (or vv close to it) rbi total. i guess i'd (if it were voted on today blah blah) see beltre finishing 3rd behind bonds and rolen, though i'm not clear on the other candidates right now.
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 21 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Adrian Beltre:AB 456BA .333OBP .380SLG .458OPS 1.023Runs 84Hits 152RBIs 90HRs 39Ks 69
Barry Bonds:AB 286BA .371OBP .612SLG .822OPS 1.434Runs 100Hits 106RBIs 79HRs 35Ks 24
Now, if Bonds had the ABs that Beltre had, here are some projections:
Hits: 170 (vs. Beltre's 152)RBIs: 126 (vs. Beltre's 90)HRs: 56 (vs. Beltre's 39)Ks: 38 (vs. Beltre's 69)
Gagne should rest his jaw along with his arm.
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link
Yes, A-Rod won it when the Rangers were 60 games out. The Giants are 4 out of 1st in the West and leading the wild card race.
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link
NL MVP as of now:BondsRolenBeltre
JD Drew has had a great season. Probably not a true MVP canidate as he isn't putting up nearly the killer numbers of these other people, but he has definitely been important to the Braves.
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Having Shawn Green return to the living and adding Finley to the Dodger's lineup definitely helps Beltre. Green has been red hot since the break.
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link
edmonds might have drawn even with rolen at this point, but he doesn't have the lofty RISP numbers. beltre's been only so-so w/ RISP but has some unbelievable clutch (close and late) which have helped his case in a huge way.
here's an article gygax is sure to love: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=neel/040826
i love how there's this perception that bonds has just always been this good and what he's doing now is nothing special for him. i mean yeah, he was possibly the best player of the 90s but he was but a shadow of what he is now and has been the last 3 years.
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 28 August 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Saturday's line: W 4-2 over the Mets5-5 1HR 2RBI 2Runs
Criminy.
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 28 August 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 28 August 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link
Barry Bonds 113.4Albert Pujols 77.2Adrian Beltre 77.2Todd Helton 74.6Jim Edmonds 73.8Mark Loretta 68.2Scott Rolen 67.4
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 August 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link
NL VORP thru Saturday:Barry Bonds 113.4Albert Pujols 77.2Adrian Beltre 77.2Todd Helton 74.6Jim Edmonds 73.8******Mark Loretta 68.2******Scott Rolen 67.4
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 30 August 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link
contrast that attitude with sheffield or pujols, who have won i don't know how many games for their teams this year playing through pain. oh, and then there was that whole missing 5 games with a cold thing.
(ie still plenty of reason not to like the guy folks)
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 30 August 2004 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link
i love that man.
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Not to mention he is at least 10 years older than Pujols (who knows for sure?) and is quite a different player than Sheffield is.
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link
are you kidding me??
"is quite a different player than Sheffield is."
no, he's not at all. unless you mean what you probably mean, which doesn't actually have anything to do with what i'm talking about. please, don't even try to argue that bonds is half as tough as gary is. barry can (and does) have all the talent in the world, but at the end of the day he's still a pussy.
giants lose 7-6. bonds makes an out in his PH AB.
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Hi John,
I've been watching Bonds for almost his entire career. While his hamstring isn't going to tear in half, i would imagine that it has never healed completely based on first hand observation. For a guy who has had only 2 substantial stays on the DL in a 19 year career and has played in less than 140 games only 1 time since 1987, your definition of "pussy" shows either a very poor or creative understanding of it.
And while your attempt to credit Bonds with the loss with his PH AB (the Giants had the lead at the time) is charming, if you'd actually watched the game you'd have seen Dustin Hermanson gave up 3 hits and a walk (2 Runs) in the bottom of the 9th while failing to retire a batter.
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, yeah, there's plenty on-record of The Pain of The Bonds (mostly because, since I'm not in the SF area, the only non-stat noise I hear about Bonds is about his aches & pains & BB's attitude re: the aches & pains & the media's slanting of BB's attitude re: the aches & pains), but if there's a player nowadays that can deservedly get away w/ some diva histrionics, it is he, and I don't recall any outright grandstanding re: his aches & pains (which, from what I've heard, are pretty severe - I heard it takes 10 man hours for his hammies to get prepped before gametime?)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link
he didn't cost them the game by making a lousy out, he cost them the game by NOT PLAYING.
for a roided-up 40 year old man with a shot hammy, he still runs the bases and plays the field pretty well. so i thought, in a deadlocked wildcard race with only a month remaining in the season, where a single loss could certainly cost the giants a playoff berth, and with two days off in the coming week, he might take a risk, make an exception, and play this game. sacrifice his body a little bit, for the good of the team, like some of those other mvp candidates are. y'know, that corny old-school unselfish "white" bullshit.
(i'm just kidding of course, i never thought that. i know the guy too well)
regards
john
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link
beltre, 3Bg - 125eqa - .340
pujols, 1Bg - 124eqa - .341
seems to me like beltre should have the higher VORP.
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, it would figure to be. Even if most MVP winners are from one of the 8 playoff teams, odds of the player's team going on to get the trophy is roughly 1 in 8, given that most postseason series are a coin flip (or "fucking luck" as Mr Beane put it).
>seems to me like beltre should have the higher VORP
Pujols has nearly 40 more plate appearances.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link
no one will agree with me on this and he won't win, but it's gotta be sheffield in the AL.
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Through Sunday, Shefffield is third in the AL in Adjusted Runs Above Position, trailing only Guillen and Mora (neither of whom will get support) and just ahead of Vlad.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link
Another way to look at it is that teams who rely on one player for most their offense rarely win it all.
― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link
edmonds .311/.426/.672, neutral parkbeltre .338/.386/.652, pitcher's park
gotta figure defense is a wash/edge to edmonds. but jimmy doesn't have great clutch/risp numbers.
the trouble of course is that rolen and pujols still loom VERY large...but i'm moving back to undecided.
― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Edmonds would likely be my #2 at the moment.
VORP, Sept 1
Bonds 118.9Pujols 82.2Edmonds 78.5
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link
"* In terms of EqA, the gap between Bonds and Beltre is bigger than the gap between Beltre and Cody Ransom. Hell, the gap between Bonds and Beltre about as big as the gap between Beltre and Neifarious."
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link
If the Yanks win the division despite all those pitching injuries, I think Sheff will win (although Rivera probably deserved equal credit. In a way, they're the Bonds-Schmidt combo of the AL, or at least, that is how they will be perceived).
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Last year Manny was also better when he played (he was injured for several weeks last season). But he's got this Albert Belle-esque rep as a "difficult" personality and a selfish player, which the voters hate. Whereas Ortiz has the opposite rep. I think Manny would need vastly superior numbers than any of his competitors to make up that difference in the voters' eyes, and that's just not true this season.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:56 (nineteen years ago) link
Albert Pujols 2Adrian Beltre 3Jim Edmonds 4Todd Helton 5Lance Berkman 6Bobby Abreu 7Scott Rolen 8Mark Loretta 9J.D. Drew 10
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link
(therefore: NOT a dopey question dave r!)
((helton?))
[and i don't care what you say, rolen should totally have been #4 dude, you've been rash]
― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Monday, 13 June 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link
Beltre ($11.4M).244/.279/.361
Boone ($9M).234/.299/.378
Sexson ($6M).244/.353/.507
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link
Beltre
Sexson
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 17 June 2005 11:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 17 June 2005 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link
I was looking at Beltre's comps on Baseball Reference. As you probably know, there are always three lists: one based on who you'd match up with if your career were to end today, one that compares your numbers to other careers up to your current age (the most useful), and a third list that tracks season by season. Beltre's seasonal comps:
Age 20 -- Manny Machado (952)Age 21 -- Ron Santo (954)Age 22 -- Ron Santo (947)Age 23 -- Ron Santo (976)Age 24 -- Ron Santo (945)Age 25 -- Ron Santo (965)Age 26 -- Ron Santo (946)Age 27 -- Ron Santo (930)Age 28 -- Ron Santo (933)Age 29 -- Ron Santo (918)Age 30 -- Ruben Sierra (916)Age 31 -- Ron Santo (909)Age 32 -- Ron Santo (918)Age 33 -- Ron Santo (921)Age 34 -- Ron Santo (884)
That's pretty remarkable. No surprise that Beltre and Santo match up well over their careers, but I doubt that there have ever been two players in the entire history of baseball more in lockstep on a seasonal basis.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 June 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
Example: even when you look at Ruth, where you're obviously drawing from an extremely limited group of similar players, you get a list that's Williams from age 26-33, a few years of Foxx after that, a few years of Bonds at the end, and Chuck Klein and Manny Ramirez and Will Clark (!--age 23) mixed in.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 June 2014 14:03 (nine years ago) link
that's pretty fucking cool clemenza.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 June 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
en fuego
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 6 July 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link
35, 2519 hits, 387 HR. 3000 hits should be easy--the rest of this year, two more seasons and a bit. 500 HR will be tougher, but he has a pretty good chance to be the fifth 3000/500 guy (assuming A-Rod doesn't find a way to get those last 61 hits). Pujols and Cabrera would be next in line, although I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those guys break down physically first.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 July 2014 13:17 (nine years ago) link
Nobody cares, I realize, but I'd love to see Beltre win the batting title. If his HOF chances are as close as most people think (again, I see him close to a cinch at this point), a batting title will definitely help. He's about five points behind right now.
― clemenza, Thursday, 28 August 2014 16:08 (nine years ago) link
Garrett Richards came into the Angels’ clubhouse proudly holding a piece of paper Saturday afternoon. Texas third baseman Adrian Beltre had sent him an invoice for $300 after Richards broke three of his bats Friday night.It was a real invoice, like Beltre went to an office-supply store and bought a pack of them or something. “Cash only, no checks,” he wrote above his signature.
It was a real invoice, like Beltre went to an office-supply store and bought a pack of them or something. “Cash only, no checks,” he wrote above his signature.
http://www.ocregister.com/angels/richards-659454-angels-came.html
― Andy K, Saturday, 25 April 2015 23:47 (eight years ago) link
beltre's got a BBR WAR right now of 5.4, thanks for a productive second half. pretty amazing player.
― nomar, Saturday, 3 October 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
*thanks to
― nomar, Saturday, 3 October 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
Another great game today. I've been tracking him the last while too. Since July 31: .326/.379/.539, 10 HR, 52 RBI.
― clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/adrian-beltre-wont-stand-for-elvis-andruss-lollygagging-1772008206
― nomar, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
<3 <3
― lute bro (brimstead), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 17:43 (eight years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--h3L2PQFH--/c_fit,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/873553504808362020.gif
― pandit pran nathalie (sanskrit), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link
the Rangers have bigger problems, eg Ian Desmond is their reg LF
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
Just moved past Chipper Jones and into the Top 50 on Baseball Reference's WAR list (85.3); real longshot to hit 100, but at 37 and signed through 2018, who knows.
― clemenza, Monday, 23 May 2016 13:58 (seven years ago) link
I know it was ultimately that the McCourts were a mess, but letting Beltre walk was pretty dumb by the Dodgers.
― earlnash, Monday, 23 May 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/EdwardEgrosFox4/status/763524922098409472
― nomar, Thursday, 11 August 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
clearer video
https://www.facebook.com/FOXSportsSouthwest/videos/vb.53293384623/10153940073424624/?type=2&theater#
― nomar, Thursday, 11 August 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpltKYQWAAA2g9p.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 August 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CplSYgwVYAQtO5W.jpg:mediumhttp://pbs.twimg.com/media/CplS7-3VUAE-GWO.jpg:mediumhttp://pbs.twimg.com/media/CplS8s6UEAEyFe-.jpg:mediumhttp://pbs.twimg.com/media/CplS9VUUAAA_axq.jpg:medium
― nomar, Thursday, 11 August 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
it seems like just yesterday this guy was a one-season wonder rather than a hopeful HoFer. what a strange career
― ciderpress, Thursday, 11 August 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link
he'll hit 3000 hits next year too if he plays most of the season
― ciderpress, Thursday, 11 August 2016 19:16 (seven years ago) link
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/6479266/v1055336083/oaktex-beltre-grabs-broom-works-on-the-infield
― Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 14:38 (seven years ago) link
<3 <3 <3
― brimstead, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
i think my two favorite players of all time are Ichiro and Beltre
― nomar, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/8/30/12709174/adrian-beltre-helmet-backward-pat-venditte-switch-pitcher
― brimstead, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 23:49 (seven years ago) link
dude has been playing out of his mind lately, just hit his 30th HR.
― nomar, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 00:33 (seven years ago) link
I check his career box once a week. He may catch Donaldson and/or Machado in the MVP vote this year, and he'll soon pass 90 career WAR on Baseball Reference (decent shot to be the 22nd position player to reach 100 before he's finished...the equivalent of three more pretty good seasons, not easy). He's moved into the Top 25 career in AB, doubles, and total bases.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 02:03 (seven years ago) link
he's def going to make it to 3000 hits next year. wonder if he can make it to 500 HRs.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 02:27 (seven years ago) link
(obv not next year – two years left on his deal, might need a year or two of quality baseball on top of that)
Just hit 90.0 in career WAR; in the top 30 position players now (between Brett and Boggs, as luck would have it).
― clemenza, Friday, 30 September 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
https://s18.postimg.org/4kvhzeo55/fibo.png
― qualx, Saturday, 1 October 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
http://www.mlb.com/images/0/2/6/238935026/062617_beltre_reaction_med_bpkwyhet.gif
― nomar, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 20:05 (six years ago) link
would watch a movie about their relationship
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
Beltre's homer gave him 5,003 total bases, making him the 21st player to go over 5,000 for his career. That's fewer than the 27 players with 3,000 hits and the 27 who have 500 home runs.
(And the 24 who've won 300 games.)
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/241068172/adrian-beltre-surpasses-5000-total-bases/
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 July 2017 02:10 (six years ago) link
<3
― mookieproof, Saturday, 8 July 2017 02:30 (six years ago) link
lol Aaron's record is ridiculous
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:22 (six years ago) link
It took me about five readings to parse that sentence (all 27 players with 3000 hits finished their careers with more total bases than Beltre? ... no)
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 8 July 2017 09:42 (six years ago) link
Something else: he just passed (lined up in succession) Chipper, Brett, and Boggs in career WAR. He should pass Matthews if he plays another year; Schmidt is out of reach (and A-Rod, although half of his was accumulated at SS).
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
1.3 WAR this year (in approx 1/4th a season) vs Albert's -1.0.
noting that because i think there's a chance Beltre could catch him in WAR, since his decline has been pretty minimal vs AP's consistent downward plunge.
― nomar, Friday, 21 July 2017 00:41 (six years ago) link
now 15 hits shy of 3,000.
beltre since he went to Texas (the equivalent to around 5 3/4 seasons worth of games): 39.2 WAR
pujols since he went to Anaheim (almost exactly 5 seasons worth of games): 13.7 WAR
― nomar, Friday, 21 July 2017 00:46 (six years ago) link
2,996 hits now (along with getting ejected last night for messing with the on-deck circle?) He's a machine.
― nomar, Thursday, 27 July 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
Maybe he has a chance at 500 HR after all. I thought the injury ruled that out, because it now requires two more years, but not slowing down so far.
― clemenza, Thursday, 27 July 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link
Two more hits to go. A list of the most productive players as they reached 3,000 hits would be interesting--pro-rated, Beltre's in his usual ~6.0-7.0 WAR range, coming off seven straight seasons of same. He's signed for next year, then a free agent. The end can come quick at this age, and he doesn't strike me as someone who'd hang around as a part-time player, but right now he looks like a decent bet for 2019.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 July 2017 14:22 (six years ago) link
Because it’s a beautiful day, and why would I go outside?
Pete Rose – 37, more-or-less primeHank Aaron – 36, playing wellStan Musial – 37, last good seasonDerek Jeter – 37, decline phaseCarl Yastrzemsk – 39, decline phasePaul Molitor – 39, playing wellWillie Mays – 39, decline phaseEddie Murray – 39, last good seasonCal Ripken – 39, decline phaseGeorge Brett – 39, decline phasePaul Waner – 39, hanging onRobin Yount – 36, decline phaseTony Gwynn – 39, playing wellAlex Rodriguez – 39, decline phaseDave Winfield – 41, decline phaseCraig Biggio – 41, hanging onIchiro Suzuki – 42, hanging onRickey Henderson – 42, hanging onRod Carew – 39, decline phaseLou Brock – 40, decline phase (but good final season)Rafael Palmeiro – 40, decline phaseWade Boggs – 41, decline phaseAl Kaline – 39, hanging onRoberto Clemente – 37, playing well
I skipped the early guys and just looked at post-war. Lots of subjective calls there, especially between “decline phase” and “hanging on.” Ichiro’s a special case because of his late start, and so was Clemente.
Having said that, I’d put Beltre alongside Rose, Aaron, Musial, Molitor, Murray, Gwynn, and Clemente as the 3,000-hit guys who weren’t just playing out the string to one degree or another.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 July 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
Yount's a special case too. Definitely in decline, but he was still only 36, playing every day, and contributing some--and only three years removed from an MVP--so he hadn't really overstayed his welcome yet. He played one more season and retired at 37.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link
That led me to look up the oldest MVPs -- Bonds with 4 of the top 6, dang.
― Crystal Geezer (WilliamC), Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
http://emulateproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Anti-Aging-Elixer-Swiss-Apple-Stem-Cell-w-Organic-Moringa-Oil-3x3-inch.png
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
Willie 'Decline Phase' Mays at 39 (1970) was 8th in the NL in offensive winning pct (right behind Hank 'Playing Well' Aaron), had a slash of .291/.390/.506, and hit 28 homers. The next year he led the NL in walks and OBP (112, .425).
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:19 (six years ago) link
I hate doing this, but for the second time in three or four years I'll waste my time responding to you and explain something I thought would be self-evident. 1970 Willie Mays is being compared to prime Willie Mays; ditto Hank Aaron. If you think Willie Mays in 1970 = Willie Mays in 1965 or Willie Mays in 1954, that's great. And just to anticipate your next silly comment, yes, I do realize very few players = Willie Mays in 1965 or 1954. I do get that.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link
gold star
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 July 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
Similarly, Hank Aaron was a 5-win player in 1970, not the 8-9.5-win player of his prime, if you want to put a cherry on it.
Now we can go back to ignoring each other
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 July 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
2999
― na (NA), Sunday, 30 July 2017 01:38 (six years ago) link
Clem and Morbs fighting reminds me of my parent's divorce.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 30 July 2017 04:05 (six years ago) link
don't worry they'll get back together when the angels win the pennant
― qualx, Sunday, 30 July 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
anyway yay
Beltre has exactly one 200 hit season (in 2004 he finished with exactly 200 hits). Without checking, I'm assuming that's the fewest 200 hit seasons for any player with 3000 hits.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 30 July 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link
nope! A few have 0, or 1.
Which of them was stuck in 1990?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 July 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
zero 200-hit seasons: Anson, Rickey H, Murray, Winfield, Yaz
One: Beltre, Biggio, Collins, Kaline, Mays, Palmeiro, Yount
Most of them better hitters than Pete Rose, of course.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 July 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link
(pulled that straight from today's NY Times column by Tyler Kepner)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 July 2017 00:37 (six years ago) link
Wow, so more than a third of the 3000 hit club had zero or one seasons with 200 hits. Am I the only one who's sort of shocked by this?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 31 July 2017 05:07 (six years ago) link
There are a lot of patient hitters there (but not too patient, too many walks = not enough hits) but not really a comp for Beltre.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 31 July 2017 05:11 (six years ago) link
i'm surprised too, i guess, but not shocked. getting to 3000 is just a function of longevity. the player with the 50th most hits last year was nick markakis, with 161. if a player had 161 hits each season of their career, it would take them about 18-19 years to reach 3000. if a player has 200 hits a year, it would take them 15 years, which is faster, but...not really that much faster. so it just seems to be a matter of staying healthy and having a long career.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 31 July 2017 05:21 (six years ago) link
still boggling at the fact that nick markakis has 1,995 career hits
― nomar, Monday, 31 July 2017 05:37 (six years ago) link
so many players this year chasing major milestones, really looking forward to Markakis' 2000th hit, i hope he gets it at home.
― nomar, Monday, 31 July 2017 05:39 (six years ago) link
the growth of the 3000 Club in the last 40 years is just bananas
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 July 2017 07:43 (six years ago) link
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-everyone-should-love-adrian-beltre/
The "Best of Adrian" clip at the bottom is great.
NoTime: Pujols and Cabrera will get to 3,000 with only one 200-hit season each.
― clemenza, Monday, 31 July 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
(Altuve, on the other hand, riding the Gwynn-Boggs-Ichiro Express.)
― clemenza, Monday, 31 July 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
future HOFer jose altuve is an obvious pick but don't rule out Less Sexy Starlin
― qualx, Monday, 31 July 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
Bill James predictor tool has Cano with 59% chance of making it to 3000.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 31 July 2017 22:12 (six years ago) link
I think Cano will make it. There are a lot of middle infielders like Castro who look like decent bets mid-career--they start young and pile up a lot of hits by the time they're 30--but they're just not good enough to play regularly into their late 30s. My guess is Castro's one of those guys, Elvis Andrus too. Altuve's obviously qualitatively different.
― clemenza, Monday, 31 July 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link
castro has no chance, he's not good enough to play for as long as he'd have to
― k3vin k., Monday, 31 July 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
Robbie Alomar looked to be a guy to maybe go way over 3000 hits as he had been so dependable and then he was not anymore.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 03:39 (six years ago) link
I got to give Castro a bit of props for coming out of the garbage bin to even be good again, he looked maybe washed up a couple years ago.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 03:41 (six years ago) link
― earlnash, Monday, July 31, 2017 11:39 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Alomar's fall was rather sharp: 193 hits at age 33, then 157, then 133, then 45.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 04:04 (six years ago) link
Cano's contract basically guarantees that he'll get enough PT to Biggio his way to 3000 hits.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 04:56 (six years ago) link
538 had a 3,000-hit roundup the other day:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/who-will-join-the-3000-hit-club-after-adrian-beltre/
Trout, Machado, and Harper all 200-300 hits ahead of the average 3,000-hit guy.
Alomar's drop-off still mystifies me. I had a theory at the time that I've since discarded. Coming off his near-MVP season in 2001, he was just shy of 2,400 hits and not yet 34. I thought at the time he was headed for the Top 10, maybe even 3,500 hits.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 12:37 (six years ago) link
(xpost)
big-gi-o
/ bij-ˈjē-ō/
transitive verb
1. to hang around unproductively for the sake of specious awards and milestones
“Martin Scorsese finally biggioed his first Academy Award for The Departed.”
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 13:06 (six years ago) link
Finally you and Morbs can agree on something. Glad I could help (the assist goes to Biggio for inspiring this feel good moment by, uh, biggioing the last three years of his career).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/08/08/report-umpire-joe-west-suspended-three-games-for-bashing-adrian-beltre-publicly/
In keeping with the general feeling that umpires are a touch sensitive these days.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 00:56 (six years ago) link
joe west is a confrontational dick, but that is lame
i mean in the seven weeks since that happened, MLB had him ump home plate in the all-star game
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 01:02 (six years ago) link
yeah, that seems silly. didn't west say they were on good terms, and beltre said he thought it was a joke?
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 01:03 (six years ago) link
nah fuck joe west
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 01:29 (six years ago) link
In best promotion ever, #Rangers giving away miniature on-deck circles to honor Adrian Beltre: https://t.co/9pzL8ZfRI9— Evan Grant (@Evan_P_Grant) August 11, 2017
― mookieproof, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:01 (six years ago) link
hahaha
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 August 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
love it
― k3vin k., Friday, 11 August 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link
out at least four weeks ;_;
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 September 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
Awful! He's having a partial season that ranks with all his other second-greatest seasons.
― clemenza, Friday, 1 September 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
Adrian Beltre got to meet Beltre the Giraffe at the @FortWorthZoo today. https://t.co/Isr4ahfM88 pic.twitter.com/Bk3lwq3VaQ— Cut4 (@Cut4) March 30, 2018
― mookieproof, Saturday, 31 March 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link
Adrian Beltre Becomes the Latin American Hit King https://t.co/I4ZNwtnCUe— FanGraphs Baseball (@fangraphs) April 5, 2018
― mookieproof, Thursday, 5 April 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
That is just amazing. This guy has blossomed into an All-Timer.
― earlnash, Thursday, 5 April 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/adrian-beltre-is-now-the-international-hit-king/
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 June 2018 05:48 (five years ago) link
I never get tired of these two guys:
http://www.mlb.com/cut4/felix-hernandez-laughed-at-adrian-beltre-after-striking-him-out/c-289319882
(Extra credit to Beltre--as the announcers point out, he knows when not to joke around.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
I hope Ade comes back for a final season. He’s been injured and his statline is a touch below recent years but still, he has been playing out of his mind the past couple weeks and his bWAR is a very nice 2.3 (in approx 2/3 of a season.)
― omar little, Saturday, 22 September 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
Hope so too. Otherwise (and it makes no actual difference in his stature), the two partial seasons will end up costing him 500 HR and 100 WAR.
― clemenza, Saturday, 22 September 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link
In honor of Adrián Beltré retiring here’s a thread of all of his best, goofiest and most wonderful moments.The dude was such a vehicle of baseball joy and we’ll all miss his antics.— Cespedes Family BBQ (@CespedesBBQ) November 20, 2018
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
not complete without: http://i.imgur.com/vv7x8lf.jpg
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtR9eU2U8AA8ck-.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 November 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link
@GrantBrisbee Hello Grant, long time reader here. I just wanted to share this very important video with you where Adrian Beltre was shopping at JC Penny with his family and randomly appeared in a commercial where the person had no idea who he was. https://t.co/nkmxaMNHig— Mark Sandritter (@MarkSandritter) January 24, 2019
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 January 2019 20:39 (five years ago) link
Damn, he didn't even get a chryon
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 24 January 2019 20:45 (five years ago) link