Don Larsen
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28407056/don-larsen-pitched-only-perfect-world-series-game-dies-90
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 January 2020 12:09 (four years ago) link
dang, i just saw this. here's jaffe's piece: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/imperfect-but-for-one-afternoon-don-larsen-1929-2020/
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!đ (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 January 2020 15:51 (four years ago) link
ed sprague sr, 74
pretty bad pitcher, apart from a solid 1974 campaign with milwaukee
was the orioles scout who signed mike mussina
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 January 2020 17:04 (four years ago) link
Jr. hit a very memorable WS home run.
― clemenza, Friday, 10 January 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link
George Nicolau
https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2020-01-10/george-nicolau-mlb-collusion-drugs-dodgers-dead
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 January 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link
Royals owner/Walmart boss David Glass
(yeah, meh)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 15:20 (four years ago) link
Just spoke with Mets star Jeff McNeil, who played for John Altobelli, one of the victims of the Calabasas helicopter crash, who managed Brewster in the Cape Cod League in 2012.Said McNeil: "He's one of the main reasons Iâm still playing professional baseball.â— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 26, 2020
― mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 01:11 (four years ago) link
roger kahn, author of 'the boys of summer', 92
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/obituaries/roger-kahn-who-lifted-sportswriting-with-boys-of-summer-dies-at-92.html
― mookieproof, Friday, 7 February 2020 17:12 (four years ago) link
RIP Rog, even tho ten was probably a little young for me to read the book
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 February 2020 04:45 (four years ago) link
I really need to read "The Boys of Summer" again after 30 years.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 10 February 2020 09:12 (four years ago) link
japanese legend katsuya nomura, 84
catcher who played 26 seasons, hitting .277/.357/.508 with 657 homers (second to oh). also managed for 24 years
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 03:18 (four years ago) link
tony fernandez, 57
― mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2020 07:35 (four years ago) link
He was so good his first couple of seasons; looked like he was going to be right up there with Ripken and Yount before long. (Probably less impressive analytically, but that was barely around then.) He never stayed at that level, but he had a long, solid career, and his return to the Jays for the '93 WS team was great. So young.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 February 2020 13:04 (four years ago) link
Forgot he was the fourth player in the Carter/Alomar for McGriff/Fernandez trade in 1990. Has there been a bigger-name trade since? I know Alomar hadn't flourished yet, but James had already identified him as a future superstar--I still remember his Alomar entry in The Baseball Book a year or two earlier, where he wrote "GET ROBERTO ALOMAR" whether you were a fantasy player or card collector or whatever. So you had Alomar, one of the 10 best hitters in the game in McGriff, the wildly-overrated-in-retrospect but big-name and big-RBI-guy Carter, and Fernandez, who was still thought of as a possible/probable Hall of Famer. Don't recall a bigger one since, or at least not between two teams--there've been some multi-team transactions along those lines.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:52 (four years ago) link
Yeah three guys who at their peaks were HOF type talents (one already in, one who will be, and a third in Fernandez who despite maybe never reaching his potential finished with an impressive career WAR due to those early seasons and late career renaissance) and a fourth who was not great but a solid bat in his best years.
― omar little, Sunday, 16 February 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
So young, I didn't know he was sick. I always think of him as the 22 year old phenom and potential best SS in the game from the '85 division winners. Many people probably remember him as the guy whose error might have given away the '97 WS. Each of his stints with the Jays was memorable in some way. He's one of my favourite players ever and I'm really sorry to hear of his passing.
And yes, that 1990 trade was perhaps the last of its kind. It wasn't about big market vs small market teams, or trying to get value for players before they test free agency, or tanking/rebuilding to prepare for the future. It was a straight up challenge trade of four star players. There may never be another one like it again.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 16 February 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link
And there was a perfect symmetry to the trade in that the Jays got the best and the least of the four, and the Padres got the middle two guys--things could have gone either way, and if Alomar hadn't developed (which in turn got the Jays over the hump, which brought in Winfield and Molitor, all of which made Carter look better than he was), it could have been a terrible trade for Toronto.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 February 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
Olerud being able to replace McGriff was a big part of that deal too. iirc he went straight from collage ball to the majors. that aspect was definitely a risk aswell.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 16 February 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link
orrin freeman, who had been a scout/farm director/special assistant to the gm for the marlins since their inception in 1991
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 February 2020 21:56 (four years ago) link
NY/SF Giants ace Johnny Antonelli
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/2020/02/28/johnny-antonelli-dies-new-york-giants-pitcher-world-series-hero-1954-rochester-ny-businessman/4902150002/
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 February 2020 07:26 (four years ago) link
yankees' kelly rodman, one of very few female scouts in the game
not sure of the cause, but she was only ~40
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 19:29 (four years ago) link
Jimmy Wynn was posted in the ILX thread, but he should get one here too.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/legendary-astros-outfielder-jimmy-wynn-dies-at-age-78/
I was a full-fledged Reds fan by '74, so I remember the phenomenal start the Dodgers had that year.
end of April: 17-6end of May: 36-14end of June: 52-24
Still, the Reds almost caught them, only finishing 4.0 out (they were within a game-and-a-half on Sept. 14). I thought Wynn had the same kind of start, but not quite: phenomenal May, surrounded by three good but not spectacular months (and a slow August/September). Really good year overall, though (it was a pitcher's year, I think), and he was 5th in MVP voting, finishing well ahead of winner Garvey and runner-up Brock in WAR (and basically tied with Bench, who finished 4th). Weird: spending the bulk of his career in the Astrodome and Chez Ravine, I just assumed he got killed by his home parks, but for his career he was .256/.376/.443 at home, .245/.355/.429 on the road. One of the great nicknames ever, and one of those guys who was a walking machine before anybody cared.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:04 (four years ago) link
RIP Toy Cannon
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2020 22:32 (four years ago) link
We mourn the death of Ed Farmer who passed away Wednesday night.Farmer worked as a radio broadcaster for the Chicago White Sox for nearly 30 years, played 11 seasons in the major leagues, including three with his hometown White Sox, and was a strong advocate for organ donation. pic.twitter.com/wx7itjfEYk— Chicago White Sox (@whitesox) April 2, 2020
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 April 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link
al kaline, 85
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2020/04/06/al-kaline-dies-detroit-tigers/505371001
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 April 2020 19:44 (four years ago) link
That's a big one. As I just posted on Facebook, though, of all the famous HOF'ers who played most of their careers in the '60s, I have less of a sense of Kaline than any of them.
― clemenza, Monday, 6 April 2020 20:58 (four years ago) link
I remember seeing him on TV at the end of his career.
per Ben Lindbergh on EW, Kaline had the most career HR (399) w/out ever hitting 30 in a year.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:19 (four years ago) link
There is a lot of love coming out in the articles about Al Kaline, that guy seems to have been well liked by seemingly everyone. I knew him from baseball cards as a kid, but that he was supposed to be the real deal as a player good all the way around.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 16:40 (four years ago) link
the most career HR (399) w/out ever hitting 30 in a year
I'd say that pinpoints his relative anonymity outside of Detroit better than anything.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
(By which I mean next to Mays, Aaron, Clemente, Yaz, etc.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
Yaz is a pretty good comparison in a lot of ways -- Kaline didn't have nearly the same peak, but both spent most of their career operating not at that superstar peak but at a slightly lower tier of stardom in terms of production. Similar to Cal Ripken and Brett, I guess -- a couple other members of the 20+ seasons with one team club. Kaline also didn't have the same level of fame as any of those guys, probably just a matter of him not having a single season with truly eye-popping counting stats.
disappointing that he never played catcher even for just an inning, would have been cool for Al Kaline to be part of a battery.
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link
o_O
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link
No dad jokes on the obit thread?
I was going to say he was one of the few players of his caliber where it could be argued his best season was his first full one, but his age 20 season (didnât turn 21 til December of that year) was actually his second full one.
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 00:53 (four years ago) link
no, it was solid
tbf, he made 18 all-star games, so *someone* recognized he was good
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 01:45 (four years ago) link
I quoted the battery line on Facebook!
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 02:22 (four years ago) link
Kaline was definitely highly thought of by other players. All-Star voting wasn't handed over to fans until 1970; I assume all those AS appearances were voted on by players?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 02:26 (four years ago) link
Brooks Robinson said he was the best he played against
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:18 (four years ago) link
gen believed he forsook some power for average and walks
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/remembering-al-kaline-mr-tiger-1934-2020/
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:57 (four years ago) link
Al Kalineâs family put a âregularâ obit in the Sunday @freep. By blending in, itâs an example of how one-of-a-kind he really was. pic.twitter.com/CR7ej9aZAT— Matt Friedman (@mattfrieds) April 12, 2020
― Andy K, Sunday, 12 April 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link
Glenn Beckert:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/former-chicago-cubs-star-glenn-beckert-dies/
One of those random stats that will stick in my mind forever: he hit .340 one year, when Rod Carew was the only second baseman who did that. (Okay, I checked--.342.)
― clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 00:49 (four years ago) link
hank steinbrenner, 63, non-covid-related
https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/hank-steinbrenner-yankees-co-owner-dead-at-63/
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 14:59 (four years ago) link
jim frey, 88
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/04/14/former-royals-cubs-manager-jim-frey-dies-at-88
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 18:50 (four years ago) link
Within a few months of Tony Fernandez, DĂĄmaso GarcĂa.
http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/04/15/long-time-blue-jays-infielder-damaso-garcia-dies/
― clemenza, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link
RIP I remember being super bummed as a 9 or 10-yr old when he was included in that Chambliss trade
And being down on Rick Cerone
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link
Steve Dalkowski, a wild left-hander who was said to have been dubbed "the fastest pitcher in baseball history" by Ted Williams, died this week in New Britain, Connecticut. He was 80.Dalkowski, who once struck out 24 batters in a minor league game -- and walked 18 -- never made it to the big leagues.Writer-director Ron Shelton, who spent five years in the Orioles farm system, heard about Dalkowski's exploits and based the character Nuke Laloosh in 'Bull Durham' on the pitcher.
Dalkowski, who once struck out 24 batters in a minor league game -- and walked 18 -- never made it to the big leagues.
Writer-director Ron Shelton, who spent five years in the Orioles farm system, heard about Dalkowski's exploits and based the character Nuke Laloosh in 'Bull Durham' on the pitcher.
― mookieproof, Friday, 24 April 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link
The A's are mourning the loss of former Athletic minor leaguer Miguel Marte, who passed away earlier this week due to complications from COVID-19. Marte played in the A's system from 2008-2012. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends.https://t.co/PV7UEuAuvL pic.twitter.com/mVeLdOUciU— Oakland A's (@Athletics) May 1, 2020
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 May 2020 19:41 (four years ago) link
journeyman Matt Keough, AL All-Star as a rookie in 1978 & was selected AL Comeback Player of the Year in 1980, both for the A's.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 3 May 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link
Tonight my dad and hero Bob Watson has passed away after a long fight with kidney disease.. #Astros #Yankees #RedSox #Braves #Athletics #USABAseball #MLB #1stBlackGM pic.twitter.com/obKe1mwJYc— K Dubb (@TheReal_KDubb) May 15, 2020
― Andy K, Friday, 15 May 2020 12:45 (three years ago) link
Understand that I realize why, but Watson was the very definition of what James called "the RBI guy with mystique," something you can't have in the era of analytics.
― clemenza, Friday, 15 May 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/us/arizona-diamondbacks-player-wife-dead-spt-trnd/index.html
― clemenza, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link
biff pocoroba, 66
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 19:37 (three years ago) link
Not sure where to post this, but this is a must read (and pretty devastating):
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29224260/inside-roy-halladay-struggle-pain-addiction
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:25 (three years ago) link
Sad MLB news. Claudell Washington passed away this AM...— Full Dissident (@hbryant42) June 10, 2020
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
Wasn't he basically the star of the team for a season after Finley got rid of everyone or they cleared out?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
Checked, and no--he was gone by '77 himself, and in '76, Tenace, Campanaris, Bando, Rudi, and North were still there. Really, only Jackson, Hunter, and Holtzman were gone.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link
he had a very nice age-20 season, which was before my time. i only remember him with the barves
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link
a linchpin of the 1980 Mets
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link
I seem to remember Claudell Washington making an unbelievable catch when he was with the Braves where at full speed goes up the wall catches the ball then goes over the wall. To my memory, it was in the part of the wall back at the old Braves stadium when the walls were like plexiglass and visible through them, so in the clip you see him falling behind the wall.
Looked and could not find the clip, but I seem to remember it being in one of those "best all time catch" clips you would see back in the 80s.
― earlnash, Thursday, 11 June 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link
1967 NL cy young winner mike mccormick, 81
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
Mike Ryan
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29442904/former-catcher-long-coach-mike-ryan-dies-78
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 July 2020 12:09 (three years ago) link
Heartbroken today with the news of Tony Taylorâs passing. To me, he was more than a former teammate... he was my best friend and one of finest human beings on the planet pic.twitter.com/enXxCvzu1k— Dick Allen (@DickAllen_15) July 16, 2020
― mookieproof, Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link
Earlier this week, Johan Maya welcomed his pregnant wife home after she recovered from COVID-19. Then the Diamondbacks scout got sick. He died on Thursday, leaving a hole in the baseball community.With @jakemkaplan:https://t.co/N2ZvRkjU7F— Zach Buchanan (@ZHBuchanan) July 24, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 July 2020 13:46 (three years ago) link
by all accounts a good guy, was in minor league baseball forever
Awful news. Longtime MiLB owner Lou Schwechheimer, currently owner of the new AAA club in Wichita has passed away from the novel coronavirus. pic.twitter.com/KO6LGeFjWJ— JJ Cooper (@jjcoop36) July 29, 2020
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 20:57 (three years ago) link
John McNamara
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/29/former-red-sox-manager-john-mcnamara-dies-at-88/
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link
avatar of a blessedly crap Yankees era
Column: RIP Horace Clarke, who unwittingly lent his name to an era of #Yankees futility but never let a terrible case of bad timing alter the fact that he loved his life and cherished his memories. https://t.co/Sf96AGGvGv— Mike Vaccaro (@MikeVacc) August 6, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 August 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
:(
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 7 August 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link
tom seaver
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 September 2020 00:57 (three years ago) link
:( rip
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 September 2020 01:05 (three years ago) link
paul giamatti's dad waxes hardcore rhapsodic on seaver after the mets traded him: https://harpers.org/archive/1977/09/tom-seavers-farewell
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 September 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link
this is pretty cool
Every Mets player has dirt on their right knee as a tribute to Tom Seaver, whoâs knee would hit the ground as a result of his delivery 𧥠pic.twitter.com/3QkXueO8di— SI MLB (@si_mlb) September 3, 2020
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 September 2020 22:02 (three years ago) link
Nice tweets from Palmer ("Baseball lost the best pitcher of my era") and Jenkins. One of my favourite SI covers:
http://phildellio.tripod.com/toughest.jpg
― clemenza, Friday, 4 September 2020 03:10 (three years ago) link
Mr Baseball to me
His beginnings:
https://mcusercontent.com/70117f7e29064e68418377637/files/9ac95a1f-1d62-433b-8de2-44f0e9716a50/20073_Seaver_Beginning.pdf
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 September 2020 13:38 (three years ago) link
RIP Jay Johnstone, who played for 8 teams in his 20-yr #MLB career (1966-1985). A excellent PH & role player, Johnstone was one of baseball's great pranksters & fan favorite. He was 74. His @sabr bio https://t.co/a82uL7ta16 pic.twitter.com/81At5sLOu4— SABR BioProject (@SABRbioproject) September 28, 2020
― mookieproof, Monday, 28 September 2020 19:25 (three years ago) link
Bob Gibson
RIP to a real one
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 3 October 2020 04:00 (three years ago) link
damn, within a couple weeks of lou brock, too.
RIP Bob Gibson. :(
― idkwtf (Karl Malone), Saturday, 3 October 2020 04:06 (three years ago) link
One of the two times I was in Cooperstown, he was on the street signing autographs--not near anything, just sitting there on his own. I remembered reading something where he wished fans would just shake his hand instead of asking for autographs, so, very proud of myself, that's what I did, walked up and asked to shake his hand--not thinking that there might be a difference between signing for money and getting interrupted in a restaurant and signing. He put out his hand, half looked away, and gave me the deadest handshake in the history of handshakes.
I view it as a funny, embarrassing story. I in no way stopped being a fan or anything. I cut major slack for any African-American player who came up through the '50s.
― clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2020 04:33 (three years ago) link
World moves on...sad to see them go.
I remember Jay Johnstone having some big pinch hits for the Cubs back in 84.
― earlnash, Saturday, 3 October 2020 05:11 (three years ago) link
I dunno, clem, I don't think Ernie Banks or Buck O'Neil would've done that.
The Roger Angell profile of Gibson I posted two weeks ago:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1980/09/22/distance
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 October 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link
They wouldn't have, no, but I understand both reactions. The whole signing business--I'm not part of that world, but my collector friend is immersed in it, so I hear all his stories--is bizarre.
― clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link
In my telling, Gibby watched a nine-pitcher shutout in October and decided heâd seen enough.— Joe Sheehan (@joe_sheehan) October 3, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 October 2020 22:56 (three years ago) link
They changed the rules of baseball to stop Bob Gibson. That's the only epitaph you need.— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) October 3, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 October 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link
Was reading Joe Posnanski's obituary for Gale Sayers from 10 days ago, and there's this:
The basics of his career are well known. He was a prodigy in Omaha, Neb. â where he was coached for a time by Baseball Hall of Famer Bob Gibsonâs brother Josh â and he became a star at the University of Kansas.
Besides the coincidental timing, I didn't know Gibson had a brother named Josh.
― clemenza, Sunday, 4 October 2020 00:09 (three years ago) link
https://www.mlb.com/video/bob-costas-reflects-on-bob-gibson?t=remembering-bob-gibson
Bob Costas (who I've never minded)--you probably know the story of Gibson's final pitch and the aftermath, but if not, it's here.
― clemenza, Sunday, 4 October 2020 01:02 (three years ago) link
Pete LaCock... I had forgotten it.
What's really impressive is the time he faced two or three hitters with a broken leg.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 October 2020 03:07 (three years ago) link
xpost i had never heard of the pete LaCock story, thank you
that's a really godo one
― idkwtf (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 October 2020 04:21 (three years ago) link
you know what i mean
;_;
Pete LaCock is the son of Peter Marshall (Hollywood Squares). Did he actually think it was a good idea to change his name from Marshall to LaCock? I mean, I know you don't want to live in your father's shadow, but still.
― clemenza, Sunday, 4 October 2020 04:43 (three years ago) link
Ralph Pierre LaCock (born March 30, 1926, is better known by his stage name Peter Marshall. He is an American television and radio personality, singer, and actor. (Still alive at 94.)
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 October 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link
Duh...that actually occurred to me after I posted--maybe it was dad who changed his name.
― clemenza, Monday, 5 October 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej5YT3IXgAMnJxK?format=jpg&name=small
― mookieproof, Friday, 9 October 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
noooo
― error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 October 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link
Not sure if I got this from Ball Four or not: if Cronin's name wasn't stamped on straight, he could make the baseball drop.
― clemenza, Friday, 9 October 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link
Ford's autobiography was one of my favourites growing up, I read it countless times.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 9 October 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link
The last of Caseyâs Whiskey Slicks
― error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 October 2020 18:19 (three years ago) link
really?! what makes it so interesting? (i know nothing about the man outside of his stats)xpost
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 9 October 2020 18:20 (three years ago) link
His off the field stories are interesting (plenty of stuff about partying all night in New York clubs), his takes on baseball personalities come across as real, three dimensional opinions, obviously he glosses over some of the seedier stuff that was surely going on but the book feels more honest than those by many of his contemporaries that I read at the time. He admits to cheating in the 60's when he was losing something off his fastball -- it was rare (maybe unprecedented?) to read something like that from a HOFer of his calibre.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 9 October 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link
Thanks, I might make that my next book!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 9 October 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link
Whitey Ford: A HOF Cheaterby The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 October 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link
joe morgan
― mookieproof, Monday, 12 October 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link
What a month this has been, jfc
― â, Monday, 12 October 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
Christ.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 12 October 2020 15:06 (three years ago) link
RIP
Reading his capsule bio, I had no idea he was 5'7".
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 12 October 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
Glad I witnessed his historic '75/76 peak.
― clemenza, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link
That's what, five HOFers who passed away in the past month? Can 2020 get any worse?
His '75-'76 peak was really something, no 2Bman since then has really come close to his combination of power/speed/patience/defense.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
I always thought it ironic how much Morgan hated sabermetrics etc, but as a player he excelled at a lot of the stats that advanced Stats people loved.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 12 October 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link
indeed
New Favorite Joe Morgan stat I discovered today.His line in the 1976 NLCS: .000/.462/.0000-for-7 with 6 BB, 2 SB, 2 R(And the Reds swept the Phillies)— Matt Meyers (@mtmeyers) October 12, 2020
― mookieproof, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
As I've mentioned before, I was a huge Reds fan in the early '70s, before the Jays. Between Rose, Morgan, and Bench (not so much Perez), they had an arrogance about them that I'm not sure any baseball team has equaled since. Maybe those '90s Yankees teams, but that felt more like a revolving cast (with a core, true), and there was also the late '80s A's.
― clemenza, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
Xpost to Thermo
Definitely. His reasoning was that it was his job to set the table so it made sense for him to take a walk, whereas other guys had to drive him in and thus shouldn't be taking walks. I think he understood the value of what he was doing but for him every player has a label that he couldn't escape. Like why can't an RBI guy also work the count? Why can't a middle infielder be a power hitter? He just never got it.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
I'm probably one of three living people who's read his autobiography--I bought a remaindered copy for the free baseball card!
http://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/514kY1EQj+L._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
― clemenza, Monday, 12 October 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/514kY1EQj+L._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
Best 2B I ever saw. RIP.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:04 (three years ago) link
class a greensboro grasshoppers bat dog miss lou lou gehrig, aged 9
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkOIT3jXYAAkSwE?format=jpg&name=small
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
goddammit. miss lou :(
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
Forgot about this, from Ball Four--someone posted it on Facebook.
http://phildellio.tripod.com/mfc.jpg
― clemenza, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link
― clemenza, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link
I don't get that at all...is Tripod blocking images now? Anyway.
Weird...They seem to be blocked on Chrome (along with every poll image I've ever posted on ILX: Neil Young, road films, etc.) but not Explorer.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link
MLB is deeply saddened by the passing of 34-year Major League Umpire Derryl Cousins at 74. The Californian worked nearly 4,500 games & three World Series ('88, '99, '05). He was behind the plate for the White Sox clincher in '05 & the '08 ASG at Yankee Stadium (pictured below). pic.twitter.com/lSRd89ZsxW— MLB Communications (@MLB_PR) October 20, 2020
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
New York Mets fan Bill Weber, 59.
Dr. Morbius (Bill Weber) RIP
― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 October 2020 00:40 (three years ago) link
Getting the chance to see a Mets game with him was nice. Seeing a Yankees game with him was a highlight of my time in NY because I thought he was going to get us killed.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 22 October 2020 01:25 (three years ago) link
hahaha
I think I saw more Yankees games than Mets games with him!
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 22 October 2020 01:28 (three years ago) link
so of my closest brushes with death with bill were during the military salutes at mets baseball games at citifield, lol
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Thursday, 22 October 2020 05:22 (three years ago) link
Ya. Him yelling into their air about brainwashing during god bless America got us some attention.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 22 October 2020 12:08 (three years ago) link
He invited me to a game when he was in T.O. for the SABR convention, it was the one and only time we met irl. I remember only two things about that game, 1) Bill James sat about three rows directly in front of us (Morbs pointed out a bunch of SABR-celebs from where we were sitting, 2) he was scoring the game and asked me to take over for a few minutes while he went to the bathroom. I hadn't scored a game in years and was so nervous about making a mistake and ruining his Blue Jays Experience. Needless to say, this place won't be the same without him.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 22 October 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link
Apparently Tommy Lasorda is in p bad shape right now.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:01 (three years ago) link
tommy sandt, 69
only played 42 big league games but did some managing in the minors and was on jim leyland's staff in pittsburgh, florida and colorado
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link
David Lander has passed away. Many know him as Squiggy in Laverne and Shirley with Michael. He also was an incredible baseball man who was a scout for the Mariners. Always thought his role in League Of Their Own was a perfect fit. #RIP https://t.co/LgGwHbvsnS— Maury Brown (@BizballMaury) December 5, 2020
― mookieproof, Saturday, 5 December 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link
dick allen
― mookieproof, Monday, 7 December 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
who might have been elected to the hall of fame yesterday had covid not forced the cancellation of the golden era committee meeting
― mookieproof, Monday, 7 December 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link
That's really too bad; should have already been in, of course, so they'll end up with another Ron Santo/Marvin Miller-induction on their hands, a year or two too late.
― clemenza, Monday, 7 December 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link
Rest in power to Dick Allen, underrated slugger and owner of one of the best SI covers ever pic.twitter.com/6OPqs6y6uT— Jon Tayler, Smiling Politely (@JATayler) December 7, 2020
― na (NA), Monday, 7 December 2020 20:02 (three years ago) link
dude was maybe two more productive years away from the HOF.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 7 December 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link
Just posted that cover on Facebook--unforgettable (and probably the first thing most people remember about him).
Another instance of how you weight longevity/peak: his rate stats still have him high on some all-time lists (Top 20 in adjusted OPS), and he's at 5.3 WAR per season on Baseball Reference. But, yeah, it's pretty much impossible to get in with fewer than 2,000 hits, unless you're a catcher.
― clemenza, Monday, 7 December 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link
i had never seen that cover! badass. also weird to think about smoking a cig and then running onto the field
― Karl Malone, Monday, 7 December 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link
i used to play ultimate (tons of running) with a guy that would hammer back a smoke between each quarter and i have no idea how he didn't collapse into a hacking pile.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 7 December 2020 21:19 (three years ago) link
12 playoff PA in his second-to-last season was it for the post-season; must be high on the list of best players without a WS appearance. (Ignoring position/defense, he was a better hitter than Ernie Banks.)
― clemenza, Monday, 7 December 2020 22:53 (three years ago) link
Rogelio Moret today, too:
https://www.lonestarball.com/2020/12/7/22159957/dick-allen-roger-moret-pass-away-death-mlb
I remember him because he went 14-3 for the famous '75 Red Sox team (also 13-2 for the '73 team). But I have no recollection of this (from Wikipedia): "His career ended in 1978 in bizarre fashion. Scheduled to be the starting pitcher against the Detroit Tigers on April 12, Moret was spotted in the Ranger locker room in a catatonic state, with his arm extended holding a slipper. He was unresponsive to examiners, and was immediately taken to a psychiatric facility and placed on the disabled list. He appeared in only six more games after the bizarre incident."
Allen wanted to be called Dick, writers insisted on calling him Richie; I'm guessing Moret preferred Rogelio to Roger.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 02:53 (three years ago) link
Goose Gossage on Allen in 2014: "He's the greatest player I've ever seen play in my life. He had the most amazing season (1972) I've ever seen. He's the smartest baseball man I've ever been around in my life. He taught me how to pitch from a hitter's perspective, and taught me how to play the game, and how to play the game right. There's no telling the numbers this guy could have put up if all he worried about was stats."
― clemenza, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 04:39 (three years ago) link
we're gonna have to talk about bill james vs dick allen at some point; might as well get it out now
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 04:59 (three years ago) link
I know he was very anti-Allen in the first Historical Abstract; didn't he recant that later on?
― clemenza, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 05:04 (three years ago) link
Checked the revised Historical Abstract; he didn't, just tempered his criticism with a shorter entry. Which amounts to, by not going along to get along, Allen destroyed his career. In terms of Allen's career, he's right. In terms of Allen's role as a person in the world, in terms of honor and integrity, and in terms of how Allen will be remembered, he's 1000% wrong.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/reckoning-with-dick-allen-1942-2020
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link
former minor leaguer charley pride, 86
― mookieproof, Saturday, 12 December 2020 21:35 (three years ago) link
phil niekro, 81
seventh hall of famer to die this year
― mookieproof, Sunday, 27 December 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link
that's as many as the last four years combined.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 27 December 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link
tommy lasorda, 93
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 January 2021 16:39 (three years ago) link
TIL he was basically the same age (2 months older) as Vin Scully.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 8 January 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link
a true master of the fuckin language of baseball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rUy9FmzsxY
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 January 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link
Kurt Bevacqua! Last hit ever off Jim Bouton. (Not sure if that was MLB or the minors, and it may have been before Bouton's late-'70s comeback.)
Someone's death is the time to say something nice, so: while I hated Lasorda's rah-rah cheerleading while he was active, the one time I appreciated him was some interview I saw during the '94 strike, when he seemed, to me, truly and poignantly distraught by what was happening.
― clemenza, Friday, 8 January 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link
don sutton
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 21:32 (three years ago) link
2020 can stop any minute now.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
17 seasons of at least 2.0 bWAR
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
Biggest of all.
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2021/01/22/hank-aaron-has-passed-away/
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
monumental
― mookieproof, Friday, 22 January 2021 16:52 (three years ago) link
RIP Hank Aaron
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:15 (three years ago) link
It's been said a million times before, but his level of consistency was something. He never had a season of 10+ WAR like Mays and Ruth and Bonds, but starting in 1955, his second season, and carrying through to 1971, when he was 37, he had an almost unbroken string of years between 6.0-10.0. The only year that fell short was 1970. That was an offensive boom year, so he would have been downgraded a bit for that, but in 1970 he hit 38 HR, knocked in 118, and had a slash line of .298/.385/.574--and that, as measured by bWAR, was his worst season. (Never struck out 100 times in a season.)
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:24 (three years ago) link
still jarring seeing random fans rush him when he was rounding the bases on his 715th after all the death threats he'd been getting
― mookieproof, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:29 (three years ago) link
I'll never forget those two teenagers (both white) who circled the bases with him. Aaron has said he was convinced they were there to kill him. They were just excited!
Probably an easy question by now, but do you remember who caught 715?
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:33 (three years ago) link
^otm to both of those posts^
i mostly know him through his stats. i've watched a few old games in which he played or appeared (like all-star games), but wish i would of had a chance to just sit at a game and watch what guys like him do in between plays, in the dugout, with fellow players and the like. but yes, a model of consistent high-level performance (and durability, it seems), just unbelievable.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:34 (three years ago) link
sorry, xp to mookie's post and clemenza's above that
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:35 (three years ago) link
yeah he was a bit before my time, so i only know him as a legend. and the stats are just . . . we're in here arguing about bobby abreu and scott rolen and aaron was like both of them put together with room left over
tbh i think i first learned about what he went through via snoopy: http://wezen-ball.com/2009-articles/a-rod-aaron-and-snoopy.html
― mookieproof, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link
Those two guys always crack me up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjqYThEVoSQ
I thought 715 was his first swing of the season, but it wasn't. There's some story there involving four-pitch walk beforehand--maybe 714 was his first.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=aaronha01&t=b&year=1974
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:53 (three years ago) link
the nyt obituary is excellent, with a heavy slant towards his experiences with racism. a towering figure, who apparently never liked being called "hank." so r.i.p. henry aaron, a true all-time great.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/sports/baseball/hank-aaron-dead.html
― voodoo chili, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:56 (three years ago) link
using first names that '60s black baseball players didn't like seems to have been a thing, wonder what that's about
― mookieproof, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link
I knew about Clemente's and Dick Allen's pushback, but I didn't know Aaron shared that. I've always called him Hank, but I'll change that. Weird that the Times wouldn't amend their headline!
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:09 (three years ago) link
hard to reverse 60+ years of sports page colloquialism
― voodoo chili, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
Clemenza, the WaPo obit has your answer:
The Dodgersâ pitcher was left-hander Al Downing, who wore the same uniform number as Mr. Aaron, 44. On a 1-0 count, Downing threw a slider that caught too much of the plate, and Mr. Aaron unloaded a blast that carried over the head of Dodgers left fielder Bill Buckner and into the Bravesâ bullpen, where it was caught by relief pitcher Tom House.
RIP Hank Aaron.
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Friday, 22 January 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
That's it. It's a great trivia answer--I think he rode that small bit of fame for the rest of his career and many years beyond as a coach. (Highly respected, I think.) I was reading his Wikipedia page and never knew this: "House has admitted to using anabolic steroids in the 1970s making him one of the earliest players to admit to using performance-enhancing drugs...House has stated that 'six or seven' pitchers on every major league staff in the 1970s were 'fiddling' with steroids or human growth hormone." He even tweeted today:
Hank Aaron changed my life. The greatest moment I ever got to be a part of was catching 715. That moment bonded us forever as friends and teammates. My heart hurts today to learn of his passing. We watched Hank shrug off the weight of the world and just keep swinging.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 19:29 (three years ago) link
I was at a Jays vs Braves game in T.O. and Aaron was honoured in a special ceremony before the game. That was the only time I "saw" him. Where can you even start with Aaron? He was the very definition of an inner circle HOF. I have never heard a bad word spoken about him. He was the model of consistency, excellence, and grace under pressure. Why did it take 25 years (after his retirement) to name an award after this guy?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 22 January 2021 20:42 (three years ago) link
Until Bonds (who had a nice tweet today) came along, Aaron's 1973 season was my frame of reference for preternaturally great old-guy seasons. 40 HR in 392 AB for a 39-year-old? It was like science-fiction. And that was the heyday of all those future 300-game winners: Seaver, Carlton, Niekro, and Sutton were all active in the NL.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 22:25 (three years ago) link
This is great!.
I want to find a similar piece now on the two people holding up the sign on the back of Kiss's Alive!.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 22:38 (three years ago) link
https://www.mlb.com/news/us-presidents-remember-hank-aaron
Every living president...almost.
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 January 2021 22:54 (three years ago) link
i haven't heard a word from trump since he fucked off, and i want to keep that going as long as possible
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:10 (three years ago) link
otm
― mookieproof, Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:12 (three years ago) link
For sure. I have to admit, I love how the five of them will be making the other one look bad without even trying.
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:14 (three years ago) link
utility man ron johnson, 64
played 22 games over three seasons with the royals and expos in the early '80s, then won 1752 games over 24 seasons as a minor league manager. he was the red sox's bench coach in 2010-2011
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
damn, wrong Ron Johnson. RIP utility man ron johnson
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 19:40 (three years ago) link
he was the red sox's bench coach in 2010-2011
first base coach according to Youkilis' tribute.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
covid, btw
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link
grant jackson, 78. winner of game seven of the 1979 world series
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:42 (three years ago) link
I remember him as part of the great Orioles '71 staff. (Don't hate me: '79 was my first year at university--don't think I watched an inning of the '79 Series!)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:23 (three years ago) link
ESPN remembers SportsCenter reporter Pedro Gomez, who passed away unexpectedly today at the age of 58.https://t.co/0Q75PlBEvG pic.twitter.com/4B5r7OG9Ni— ESPN PR (@ESPNPR) February 8, 2021
― Andy K, Monday, 8 February 2021 03:27 (three years ago) link
ugh that sucks, always liked him ever since he was on the barry bonds beat
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 8 February 2021 03:32 (three years ago) link
joe altobelli, 88
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link
Ray Miller, former Orioles manager and longtime pitching coach, dies https://t.co/votxYjQtE7— Baltimore Sun Sports (@BaltSunSports) May 5, 2021
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 18:42 (three years ago) link
Mookie must have missed this: Rennie Stennett.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31467032/former-pittsburgh-pirates-second-baseman-rennie-stennett-loses-battle-cancer-age-72
First thing I thought of was "lost his job to Willie Randolph," but he actually drew MVP votes in a couple of seasons.
― clemenza, Friday, 21 May 2021 12:27 (two years ago) link
Did I ever have that backwards...Randolph was only with the Pirates for one season. Stennett was why they traded him away, part of the Dock for Doc trade.
― clemenza, Friday, 21 May 2021 12:30 (two years ago) link
Fading 45-year-old memories...I think I have it straight now. Without checking again, the Pirates had Dave Cash at second base, he goes to the Phillies, then they're left with two promising young guys, and they picked the wrong one (albeit a good player).
― clemenza, Friday, 21 May 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link
i did miss that about rennie stennett, thanks
Sad report: Cy Young winner and pitching iconoclast Mike Marshall of the Dodgers has passed away at 78, according to @Think_BlueLA. https://t.co/BWccBx8iNi— Jon Weisman (@jonweisman) June 1, 2021
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link
What a character--one of the many reasons to read Ball Four. (Probably no one in the book garnered as much respect from Bouton.) I remember his Cy Young season very well, or at least the commotion over whether or not he'd pitch in 100 games. (Same year as the commotion over Lou Brock and the SB record; we loved to count things then, and we especially loved the number 100.) By WAR, Niekro should have won the Cy going away; compared to some of the other relief CYs given out, though, he wasn't the worst pick ever. His best years were his last two with the Expos.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link
Actually, his best year came later with the Twins.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 19:15 (two years ago) link
jim âmudcatâ grant, 85
― mookieproof, Saturday, 12 June 2021 20:14 (two years ago) link
According to a MLB source former #Astros star JR Richard passed away last night in a Houston hospital at the age of 71. JR played for the Astros from 1971-1980. Led the National League in strikeouts in 1978 & 1979. Led the NL in ERA in 1979 and made the All-Star Team in 1980.— Mark Berman (@MarkBermanFox26) August 5, 2021
― mookieproof, Thursday, 5 August 2021 17:28 (two years ago) link
Sad story.
― clemenza, Friday, 6 August 2021 20:26 (two years ago) link
covid-related, I see.
― Read between the lines Zach (Karl Malone), Friday, 6 August 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link
Bill Freehan, 1968 World Series champion and 11-time all-star
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2021/08/19/bill-freehan-detroit-tigers-dies-alzheimers-disease/511651001/
One of my coaches played with him and a bunch of friends/ex-teammates/adversaries played for him (all at Michigan). Seemed beloved without exception.
― Andy K, Friday, 20 August 2021 00:24 (two years ago) link
Bill James responding to a question about him today: "He was pretty obviously the best catcher of the 1960s, he is a reasonable Hall of Fame candidate, and that team should have won several more pennants, at least." My dad and I drove in to see a couple of Tigers' games in the mid-'70s, so there's a chance I saw him play.
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 August 2021 00:58 (two years ago) link
Just saw the news that Ray Fosse passed away..Iâm so sorry & give my deepest condolences to Carol and the family..Ray was always incredibly kind to me..he was a good supportive friend..he loved his family deeply..his impact on Bay Area baseball will be forever..RIP my friend— Marty Lurie (@baseballmarty) October 14, 2021
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:50 (two years ago) link
Immortal for one play.
https://miro.medium.com/max/1050/1*PzLL51AcRkDaAECOvjqGzg.jpeg
― clemenza, Thursday, 14 October 2021 01:52 (two years ago) link
that is a remarkable baseball photo
― mookieproof, Thursday, 14 October 2021 03:09 (two years ago) link
Lot of recent deaths of players I knew as a young kid with baseball cards of the 70s.
Leo Durocher as 3rd base coach in that shot.
― earlnash, Thursday, 14 October 2021 11:13 (two years ago) link
Dude played with Babe Ruth, member of the Gas House Gang and was manager in the Bobby Thompson game...that is a pretty Zelig moment him being in that picture.
Kinda wild...
― earlnash, Thursday, 14 October 2021 11:16 (two years ago) link
oh wow, didn't realize that was durocher as the 3B coach! that does elevate the pic, damn
― typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 14 October 2021 14:22 (two years ago) link
rip jerry remy
― mookieproof, Sunday, 31 October 2021 16:22 (two years ago) link
pretty sad about this
― mookieproof, Sunday, 31 October 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41Rro3LpXCL._AC_.jpg
Being more of a NL baseball fan as a kid, seeing the Red Sox or their local broadcasts was never really an option except on an occasional Saturday game or perhaps when they played the White Sox on WGN.
Jerry Remy does have a bit of a point to me as a childhood baseball fan though as his card was the last one I needed to find to complete my first full set of Topps cards in the 1980 set. I searched high and low and no one had this card forever. I don't think I ever found it until after the 81' strike. This was a set that I mostly put together the old fashioned way pack by pack as there wasn't until a year or so later we started to have a local flea market that would have people selling cards. But even then, this 'common' was impossible to find. It was like finding 'excalibur' when I finally found one.
RIP Mr. Remy.
― earlnash, Monday, 1 November 2021 00:11 (two years ago) link
Too young.The MLBPAA is deeply saddened to hear about the passing of 12-year MLB veteran, Julio Lugo. Our thoughts and prayers are with Julio's loved ones. pic.twitter.com/hrQYJzjHWh— MLBPAA (@MLBPAA) November 15, 2021
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 15 November 2021 19:26 (two years ago) link
jeez
― mookieproof, Monday, 15 November 2021 19:28 (two years ago) link
Ed Lucas, Blind Baseball Chronicler, Is Dead at 82
Sightless since 12, he became a baseball columnist and a radio reporter. He had a unique ability to know where a ball was hit by the sound of the crack of the bat.
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 23:21 (two years ago) link
Heartbroken about the passing of one of the kindest, funniest men to have worn a Cleveland uniform. Doug Jones spent 7 of his 16 big-league seasons in Cleveland, ranking 3rd all-time in saves and a 3X All-Star. Deepest sympathy to his family and all his teammates. pic.twitter.com/BtwVcylm79— Bob DiBiasio (@BDbaseball6) November 22, 2021
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 22 November 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link
bill virdon, 90. 1955 NL ROY, pirate CF for ten years, and later a two-time manager of the year
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 20:45 (two years ago) link
RIP Fleece
― Andy K, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 00:18 (two years ago) link
Something I'd forgotten and was just reminded of: Virdon hit the bad-hop grounder in the 7th game of the '60 World Series (Mazeroski's HR) that may or may not have curtailed Tony Kubek's career.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQeawXYw1ZY
― clemenza, Monday, 29 November 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link
The White Sox send our thoughts and condolences to the family and friends of LaMarr Hoyt, who passed away on Monday in Columbia, S.C. following a lengthy illness. The 1983 A.L. Cy Young Award winner was 66.— Chicago White Sox (@whitesox) December 1, 2021
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 20:01 (two years ago) link
Such a vintage old-school Cy Young pick. Won because he won 24 games; Stieb won 17, was much, much better, didn't get a single vote. (One stat where Hoyt was ahead of the curve was his K/BB ratio, almost 5.00 because of his great control.) Remember him as engagingly gruff, or unkempt, or something along those lines.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 20:15 (two years ago) link
The "Winning Ugly" Sox, I think.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link
One of five Padres starters on the 85 NL all-star team. RIP!
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 20:31 (two years ago) link
great real baseball name
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 21:22 (two years ago) link
Kimera Bartee
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32917710/detroit-tigers-first-base-coach-kimera-bartee-dies-age-49
― Andy K, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
Going back to LaMarr Hoyt for a second, had no idea that he was part of the trade in '77 (along with Oscar Gamble, a minor-leaguer, and money) that brought Bucky Dent to New York.
― clemenza, Friday, 31 December 2021 06:08 (two years ago) link
Betty White with Steve Bilko #RIPBettyWhite pic.twitter.com/XDcNNBxMe1— Baseball In Pics (@baseballinpix) December 31, 2021
― mookieproof, Saturday, 1 January 2022 00:16 (two years ago) link
We mourn the loss of Gene Clines, who spent parts of three decades in the Cubs organization as a player, first base coach and hitting coach. He was a World Series champion with the Pirates in 1971.Sending love to his family and friends. đ pic.twitter.com/xaB6TdOZqV— Chicago Cubs (@Cubs) January 27, 2022
― mookieproof, Thursday, 27 January 2022 18:18 (two years ago) link
We are saddened to learn about the recent passing of former Cardinals outfielder and World Series Champion, David Green. Our thoughts are with his family and friends during this difficult time. pic.twitter.com/ieFVLIorM4— St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) February 1, 2022
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 15:26 (two years ago) link
I remember him, he was pretty good--don't know why he had such a short career. Looked up his Wikipedia entry, and he got his first MLB hit off Luis Tiant. His death was COVID-related.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 15:54 (two years ago) link
âGerald Williams passed away this morning after a battle with cancer. To my teammate and one of my best friends in the world, rest in peace, my brother. My thoughts and prayers are with his wife, Liliana, and their whole family.â âDerek Jeter pic.twitter.com/mVoaZ8BPrP— The Players' Tribune (@PlayersTribune) February 8, 2022
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 8 February 2022 18:22 (two years ago) link
Horrible news: Jeremy Giambi passed away today at his parentsâ home in Southern California, according to his agent, Joel Wolfe. Jason and the family request that their privacy be respected during this difficult time.— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) February 9, 2022
― Andy K, Thursday, 10 February 2022 00:08 (two years ago) link
Woah. Dude was only 47!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 10 February 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link
I just stopped on Moneyball for a few minutes the other day, the scene where got lectured in the clubhouse and then traded right after.
― clemenza, Thursday, 10 February 2022 01:03 (two years ago) link
i just read about Jeremy Giambi and way too young to die, RIP. he should have slid at home.
Thermo Thinwall new Spoon tomorrow, are you excited?
― Bee OK, Friday, 11 February 2022 01:28 (two years ago) link
I wish I could say I was - but itâs been a rough couple years. But if itâs good, Iâll be quite pleasantly surprised. If it sucks, just another thing for the pile.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 February 2022 05:06 (two years ago) link
it's pretty good
― mookieproof, Friday, 11 February 2022 05:11 (two years ago) link
So why I brought it up, he did the images for the Spoon poll and I haven't seen him around ILM
― Bee OK, Friday, 11 February 2022 05:50 (two years ago) link
Sorry about your situation and I'm also hoping that 2022 is a better year
Baseball coming back sure would be a great help
― Bee OK, Friday, 11 February 2022 05:58 (two years ago) link
ILM turned into a pretty negative place for me. stopped posting there for a while.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 February 2022 19:52 (two years ago) link
which reminds me â i should start a certain thread!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 February 2022 20:28 (two years ago) link
Odalis Perez, 44. Fell from a ladder.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 March 2022 03:16 (two years ago) link
(Sheesh.)
Tommy Davis
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33670296/tommy-davis-2-nl-batting-champion-los-angles-dodgers-dies-83
― Andy K, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 13:54 (two years ago) link
roger angell (101!)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/20/sports/roger-angell-dead.html
― j.q higgins, Friday, 20 May 2022 20:56 (one year ago) link
rip
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 21 May 2022 13:48 (one year ago) link
i want to read his 1975 piece on steve blass (which i just read about, in an obituary). i didn't realize Blass got the yips, and i'd love to see what Angell had to say about that.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 14:52 (one year ago) link
steve blass disease!
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 21 May 2022 19:28 (one year ago) link
Dwight Smith, very young:
https://www.tsn.ca/world-series-winning-outfielder-dwight-smith-dead-at-58-1.1828287
Still remember Jerome Walton and Smith 1-2 in ROY voting.
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 July 2022 03:47 (one year ago) link
Look at Jerome Walton '94-98: limited playing time, but maybe another why-did-he-retire guy.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/waltoje01.shtml
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 July 2022 03:50 (one year ago) link
We are deeply saddened by the passing of former Met John Stearns. https://t.co/Bxh4o8rY4V pic.twitter.com/L860TPMU6j— New York Mets (@Mets) September 16, 2022
― mookieproof, Friday, 16 September 2022 16:54 (one year ago) link
Former stolen base king and '62 MVP Maury Wills.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 21:26 (one year ago) link
Pretty significant death. It doesn't make sense by modern metrics (39.6 career bWAR), but I know he still has passionate HOF advocates. He and Wes Parker were basically the focus of an excellent book I read last year on the great '60s Dodgers teams, The Last Innocents.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 21:49 (one year ago) link
Bruce Sutter:
https://www.mlb.com/news/bruce-sutter-dies
One of the more tenuous HOF picks of recent times, but he definitely was dominant for two or three seasons.
― clemenza, Friday, 14 October 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link
Expecially '77: 6.5 bWAR for a closer.
― clemenza, Friday, 14 October 2022 16:24 (one year ago) link
Especially, even.
i'm less amazed by his hall induction than by his *five* top-10 MVP finishes
― mookieproof, Friday, 14 October 2022 16:54 (one year ago) link
The pendulum on the value of closers has swung back and forth two or three times during my years as a fan; Sutter and the late '70s was a peak, the late '80s were a peak, then again whenever Gagne won his Cy Young.
― clemenza, Friday, 14 October 2022 16:58 (one year ago) link
rip bruce sutter. some of my first memories are of him pumping his fist and then catching and holding darrell porter as the catcher jumped into his arms. it was on a tape, a 1982 cardinals VHS, which was on constant rotation at my grandpa's when i was little, years afterward
― Karl Malone, Friday, 14 October 2022 19:28 (one year ago) link
i was just a kid, but when i first got into baseball he was *the* reliever, and basically (to my knowledge) created the split-fingered fastball
(turns out that with the plastic-coated balls they use through little league, i too could make that pitch dive! but then when we moved back to 60.5 and used leather balls, much less so)
would've been cooler if he'd been a member of hockey's sutter family tho
― mookieproof, Saturday, 15 October 2022 00:47 (one year ago) link
Closers used to get such a disproportionate amount of MVP consideration, when taking their actual value into account. Not that Sutter wasnât a really good one, of course.
I will say that for me his most memorable moment was giving up two home runs to Ryne Sandberg in the game that basically made the latter a superstar.
― omar little, Saturday, 15 October 2022 00:57 (one year ago) link
I was just checking the 1984 AL MVP ballot: five pitchers finished, with closers Willie Hernandez winning and Quisenberry finishing third. Stieb (always a bridesmaid) finished tied for 22nd, with Boddicker at #25, and Doyle Alexander tied for 27th with Ripken, whose bWAR of 10.01(!) led MLB.
― omar little, Saturday, 15 October 2022 01:03 (one year ago) link
I would watch a 30 for 30 on that ballot
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 15 October 2022 01:10 (one year ago) link
Willie appeared in 80 games and pitched 140.1 innings so he wasnât exactly a Gagne.
― omar little, Saturday, 15 October 2022 01:15 (one year ago) link
The exclusively one inning closer wasn't a thing until the 90's. In Sutter's prime they would pitch more than 100 innings. In his CY-winning season he had 9.8K/9IP when the league average was probably around 5.
If anything I think Sutter's HOF case has looked stronger since he was elected, seeing how 300 saves has become even rarer and so many top relievers flame out after a few years.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 15 October 2022 04:38 (one year ago) link
Yeah true dat. Who was the last reliever to compile 100 IP in a season exclusively from relief outings?
When I was a kid it seemed like Sutter was a Cardinal forever and his Cubs years were just a blip. But he was only in St Louis four seasons, and compiled most of his HOF cred in Chicago.
― omar little, Saturday, 15 October 2022 05:08 (one year ago) link
Gaylord Perry
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 1 December 2022 15:37 (one year ago) link
What an amazing character. Obviously underscores the disconnect when it comes to keeping PED guys out of the HOF. One of the very first things I ever got caught up in as a fan was his '72 season, which is probably still one of the top 15-20 seasons for a starting pitcher in the past 50 years (10.8 bWAR and the Cy Young for a 72-84 Cleveland team).
― clemenza, Thursday, 1 December 2022 16:30 (one year ago) link
Wow--actually 6th best, behind Gooden in '85 (12.2), Carlton in '72 (12.1), Clemens in '97 (11.9), Wilbur Wood (!) in '71 (11.8), and Pedro in 2000 (11.7).
― clemenza, Thursday, 1 December 2022 16:34 (one year ago) link
Mind blown: Perry tried to hide George Brett's bat in the pine tar game! He was stopped and later ejected.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:28 (one year ago) link
Perry was one of the great old men of MLB, like Niekro or Hough. I mean they looked like old men when playing.
weirdly Jamie Moyer didnât despite lasting longer â it trips me out to see that heâs 60 years old now
― omar little, Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:37 (one year ago) link
RIP Gaylord Perry, it's been a terrible two days for deaths.
https://www.mlb.com/video/gaylord-perry-dies-at-age-84?partnerId=web_video-playback-page_video-share
― Bee OK, Friday, 2 December 2022 05:58 (one year ago) link
RIP Curt Simmons
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 14 December 2022 04:30 (one year ago) link
Famous quote usually attributed to Simmons: "Trying to throw a baseball by Hank Aaron is like trying to sneak the sunrise past a rooster." (Posnanski says he's also seen the quote attributed to other players talking about someone other than Aaron.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 14 December 2022 14:56 (one year ago) link
tom browning, who threw the redsâ only perfect game, 62
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 December 2022 04:10 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/s76ckOb.png
https://nowtakingthefield.substack.com/p/the-baseball-rip-roster-for-2022
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 8 January 2023 18:54 (one year ago) link
frank thomas (not that one, but another famous one)
RIP Frank Thomas.Born in 1929 in Pittsburgh, played for the Pirates from 1951-58 (three-time All-Star here), blasted 286 homers over 16 seasons in the majors. pic.twitter.com/OBXhES0Trj— RobBiertempfel (@RobBiertempfel) January 16, 2023
also, journeyman ted savage, who just missed being part of the cardinals WS winning teams in '64 and '67
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 02:37 (one year ago) link
He just had a stroke aiui
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 02:47 (one year ago) link
four-time all-star 3B and brewers GM sal bando, 78
― mookieproof, Sunday, 22 January 2023 01:51 (one year ago) link
I don't know if you can say he was underrated in his day, because he did get a lot of attention and MVP support in the early '70s--finished in the Top 4 three times--but Reggie and Vida Blue and Catfish Hunter and maybe even Fingers got more, and he didn't even draw 1% of the vote in his one year on the HOF ballot. Good chance I saw him play in July of '69 when we were in Anaheim, though I can't pin down the game.
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 04:46 (one year ago) link
I knew who he was because of the reputation of those 70's A's teams, but didn't realize how good his career was until I checked his stats just now.
The 1987 HOF vote was a weird one, with no slam dunk candidates, I sense a lot of apathy on the part of the voters. Bando has the 4th highest WAR of the 28 candidates who received votes, and he finished 26th.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 22 January 2023 08:52 (one year ago) link
I didn't look at the top of that ballot--in the year he got 0.7% (3/413 ballots), two ex-teammates went in, Billy Williams and Catfish Hunter (both, as you say, with soft support).
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 16:44 (one year ago) link
Catfish was kinda the Dave Stewart of his time (albeit better at his best), a very good pitcher who pitched for some great teams and racked up so many wins over a short period of time. His best seasons was actually his last w Oakland and first w NY. Beyond that, two more seasons w a bWAR above 3. Might have earned that HOF spot for more meritorious reasons if he wasnât done as a good pitcher at 30.
― omar little, Sunday, 22 January 2023 16:58 (one year ago) link
He makes sense in the context of his times, not in retrospect, from an analytical standpoint. With 36.3 bWAR, and I bet even lower on Fangraphs, he's obviously not even close to the HOF bar. In his day, though, there were the five straight 20-win seasons, 4/3/1/2 in CY voting, the four WS titles with the A's/Yankees (his post-season record is good), the perfect game, the huge free-agent contract (one of the first), and--again, back then--definite mystique. So I get it, as I think anyone who watched baseball at the time does.
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link
I'm always more impressed by some of the votes the writers somehow got intuitively right. The first one I think of is the 1965 AL MVP: I was puzzled for years by the Zolio Versalles MVP ("but he only hit .273!"), but bWAR does show him as the best position player in the league. (Sam McDowell's a little higher.) Another one--if you put aside pitchers--is the '85 NL MVP. I think even James mocked Willie McGee winning, arguing that Dale Murphy was clearly more valuable, but McGee was indeed the best position player in the league by bWAR, well ahead of Murphy. (Not even close to Gooden, mind you...)
Sal Bando, on the other hand, got screwed by the time he was up for the HOF. Which, again, is strange seeing as how probably many of the same voters gave him lots of MVP support.
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link
Bandoâs bWAR is amazing considering how relatively brief his full-time career was. His chances were probably diminished by playing a lot during a pitchersâ era. But for all the sabermetrics chatter about a third baseman like Darrell Evans being one of the underrated greats, Sal might fit that description even more.
― omar little, Sunday, 22 January 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
Bando was well respected in his prime, as Clem pointed out, he drew decent support in MVP voting. I'd compare him to a George Springer type of player -- a very good player but not quite a star, who will get some downballot support, and produces in the big moments. You absolutely need a couple of players like that to contend year after year. But nobody thinks of him as a HOFer, and he doesn't end up with the flashy round numbers for his career that HOF voters like.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 22 January 2023 20:40 (one year ago) link
yeah, he's an interesting case i guess, though not quite getting there, despite a 56.6 bWAR from '69-'78. he's a guy who'd maybe be a reputable HOFer due to that peak value. But he was still a solid tier below for example Rolen, and a couple below Santo.
He was arguably the best 3B in the game for a brief window, but then Schmidt, Brett, and to a lesser extent Nettles were really just much better throughout the '70s. He'd have needed another 4-5 years and he'd have a better case (he'd likely have gone the Santo route tho.)
― omar little, Sunday, 22 January 2023 21:19 (one year ago) link
looking at that 70's Athletics team, it's crazy how similar Vida Blue and Catfish Hunter were; yet only one is in the Hall (neither really should be imho). Blue has actually a stronger case (and not just through modern metrics), really â only difference maker I think is Hunter played for the Yankees...
Hunter: 3.26 ERA, 224 wins, 2012 Ks, 36.3 WAR, Cy Young, ERA crown, 8x all star, 5x world series Blue: 3.27 ERA, 209 wins, 2175 Ks, 44.9 WAR, Cy Young, ERA crown, 6x all star, 3x world series AND an MVP award.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:09 (one year ago) link
blue has a much stronger case, but he didn't have a cool nickname. big mistake on his part. they both seem like casualties of having to throw way too many innings in their 20s
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link
catfish had 5 seasons in a row of the magical 20 Wins, that must have helped as well. fangraph's interpretation of "value" (based on FIP) is notable with his 1973 season. hunter went 21-5 with a 3.34 ERA over 256 IP. his fWAR, though, was just over replacement, at 0.5 fWAR. his ERA was way below his FIP, which was 4.40. Oakland's defense must have been pretty great that year...
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:17 (one year ago) link
Catfish Hunter had two things that are sure to get solidly above-average/usually not-amazing pitchers into the HOF: a nickname and a great mustache. not a beard (Blyleven rule) it has to be a bushy stache. i'll die on the hill that a clean-shaven Jack Morris is one-and-done on the HOF ballot. Someone should have advised Rick Reuschel to keep his mustache and make it really really bushy.
Vida Blue is a really cool name, though. Didn't have to dress it up. Much cooler than Jim Hunter.
― omar little, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link
I don't know if Blue's drug issues figured into that or not. He thought so: "I had some issues in my life that might have had a tendency to sway voting. There are some guys in the Hall of Fame who donât have halos." His holdout in '72 was a huge story at the time: didn't start his season until May 24--big surprise, I think Finley really screwed him--and didn't get a postseason start until the sixth game of the WS. Glad to know he's 73 and still alive.
― clemenza, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:31 (one year ago) link
When Time magazine put baseball players on the cover (I assume they haven't in some time):
https://content.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/1971/1101710823_400.jpg
― clemenza, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link
he seems like a good candidate for the Veterans Committee to revisit at some point. not saying it's deserved (he's a peak-value HOF guy but that was a brief and scattered peak), but i could see it.
― omar little, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/zg7OkFL.jpg
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
Wow, missed that...I was going to say that it looks like the Red Sox winning in '04 was the last MLB Time cover, but I guess this is incomplete. (Rod Carew!)
https://time.com/vault/subject/baseball/
― clemenza, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link
it's funny how 2 of the last 3 baseball-related covers (according to that link) are both about how playing baseball on elite youth teams is bad, and they both feature maybe the least-flattering possible photos of the kid
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link
1999 kid is swinging at a pitch 15 feet outside
2017 kid's hands are about to sting as he weakly fouls off into the third base dugout
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link
only difference maker I think is Hunter played for the Yankees.
During Hunter's prime though, the Yankees had lost their mystique. The A's were the cool, fun, and successful team with larger than life stars sporting nifty mustaches. He was there for the Yanks' '77 and '78 WS wins, but he was done as a star player.
Hunter was elected to the HOF thanks to 1) a great nickname and mustache combo, 2) winning 20 games in five consecutive years, 3) being one of the youngest pitchers ever to reach 200 wins, 4) being a key player on the A's three-peat (they're still the only non-Yankees team ever to do it).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 23 January 2023 19:47 (one year ago) link
Putting aside analytics, the A.L. '74 Cy Young field has to be the apex of the '70s workhorse era (the DH probably contributed):
1. Hunter - 25-12, 318.1 IP2. Jenkins - 25-12, 328.1 IP3. Ryan - 22-16, 332.2 IP4. Perry - 21-13, 322.1 IP4. Tiant - 22-13, 311.1 IP
― clemenza, Monday, 23 January 2023 20:05 (one year ago) link
sad to hear this
We mourn the passing of Tim McCarver, an All-Star catcher and decorated baseball broadcaster for generations of fans. He was 81. https://t.co/af8eb0Yyuf pic.twitter.com/6P9LLlDMJD— MLB (@MLB) February 16, 2023
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 February 2023 19:16 (one year ago) link
i've been reading october 1964. good insight in to mccarver as a player.
― j.q higgins, Thursday, 16 February 2023 19:25 (one year ago) link
He was prickly, but I always liked him in the booth. Saw him as a player on the downside of his career, don't remember much, but he caught Gibson and Carlton in their primes, and that's something.
― clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2023 19:38 (one year ago) link
https://i.postimg.cc/hPzN6dNc/32179165-B76-C-490-B-B2-F8-D66-B0-ACE9-A3-A.jpgEvery time I read about pitchers and catchers this quote comes up again and again.
― here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Thursday, 16 February 2023 19:57 (one year ago) link
another tim mccarver quote - i'm sure there's a million different slightly different versions of it because he would tell this story pretty much any time bob gibson came up during a broadcast:
âI remember one time going to mound to talk with Bob Gibson. He told me to get back behind the batter; that the only thing I knew about pitching was that it was hard to hit.â
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Friday, 17 February 2023 01:24 (one year ago) link
first encountered him alongside ralph kiner (basically insane) and steve zabriskie (utterly straight) doing mets games on WOR in the eighties -- and he was honestly good, unlike his later cardinals/national broadcast persona
also he seemed like a really decent guy. rip
― mookieproof, Friday, 17 February 2023 04:44 (one year ago) link
I only knew him from the national broadcasts. He was definitely an old school colour commentator much like Joe Morgan was, relying on his wit and intuition about the game to tell a story. I enjoyed listening to him for the most part.
I hadn't realized that he had a 20-plus year career as a player. He played in four decades!
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 17 February 2023 13:17 (one year ago) link
lol, i missed this 2013 all-star game moment from mccarver. very hard to explain
This will always be remembered as the moment Tim McCarver crossed over into legendary status â hands down #STLCards pic.twitter.com/zaEkdf0313— đ°đđđđđ đđđđđđ | đş (@drewmaniac) February 16, 2023
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 February 2023 00:09 (one year ago) link
(xpost) As a player, I always group him in my mind with Bob Boone and Jim Sundberg, although the other two are much closer in terms of timeline and being mostly about defense.
― clemenza, Saturday, 18 February 2023 13:53 (one year ago) link
(kramer voice) joe pepitone!
― mookieproof, Monday, 13 March 2023 22:01 (one year ago) link
I literally just read the part in Ball Four where they prank him by putting talc in his hairdryer so when he blow dries his wig after a game he looks like George Washington.
― giant bat fucker (gyac), Monday, 13 March 2023 22:21 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vqJ-WSC-QI
― mookieproof, Monday, 13 March 2023 22:30 (one year ago) link
I think I've got this right: it's him in Ball Four who puts a piece of popcorn under his foreskin and tells the trainer he's got some new form of VD...As flakes go, he sounded like one the greatest--he was near the end when I started watching.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 01:46 (one year ago) link
rip dick groat, 8-time all-star, 1960 NL MVP, 2-time WS champ
― z_tbd, Thursday, 27 April 2023 17:24 (one year ago) link
Hobie Landrith, first Met, last week or so, i think
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 27 April 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link
Vida Blue!
We mourn the passing of Vida Blue, a Cy Young, MVP and three-time World Series winner. He was 73. pic.twitter.com/dTJScoMstO— MLB (@MLB) May 7, 2023
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Sunday, 7 May 2023 15:38 (one year ago) link
damn, a guy with hall of fame talent but not quite enough of a career to get in there. dominant during his relatively brief career though, kinda like ron guidry in that respect.
― omar little, Sunday, 7 May 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link
and one of the best names of all time
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Sunday, 7 May 2023 16:26 (one year ago) link
As I've mentioned many times, my fandom began in 1970, so his '71 season looms so large for me: one of those things that you spend the rest of your life measuring everything else against. (Everything baseball...I think.) Greatest season (eclipsed by Gooden and a few others since), greatest name, greatest decade, greatest everything.
All in all, underrated after that, in that '71 was an albatross he could never duplicate, plus the holdout, plus the drug issue, plus the itinerant nature of his career. For his career, his numbers are probably better than at least a few pitchers in the HOF.
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 May 2023 16:47 (one year ago) link
Vida Blue was awesome, RIP. Loved hearing him talk too.
― brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 16:49 (one year ago) link
There's a decent argument for him being in the HOF and sometimes I think briefer peak value types like him really belong. That's more in line with what the NBA and NFL halls do. I know the MLB HOF loves longevity though.
― omar little, Sunday, 7 May 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link
The other thing he has going against him besides what I mentioned was pitching in a pitcher's era--not to the degree the '60s were, but his old-school stats only leave him with 45 bWAR after adjustments. Plus he's surrounded on all sides by 300-game winners like Seaver, Carlton, Perry, Niekro, and Sutton, and also legends like Gibson, Marichal, Palmer, and others.
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 May 2023 16:58 (one year ago) link
Looking at his '71 game log is amazing:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=bluevi01&t=p&year=1971
He made a DeGrom like run at Gibson that year (without going down). His ERA was 1.03 after his May 23 start (12th), and he was still at 1.37 as late as July 25. He tailed off a bit after that and ended up with 1.82.
Lots of other eye-opening stuff in there, like six consecutive CG more than once.
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:08 (one year ago) link
Thought he moved around more than he actually did: only three teams (two stints in San Francisco). That's not many in the free-agent era. (His '72 holdout, where--surprise--Finley railroaded him into coming back should get more credit than it does in ending the reserve clause.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link
Posnanski on Vida, with a nice tweet from Fergie Jenkins:
https://open.substack.com/pub/joeposnanski/p/blue-monday?r=1jtu0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Reminded me of how close his career numbers were to Catfish Hunter's.
― clemenza, Monday, 8 May 2023 16:11 (one year ago) link
roger craig, 93
― mookieproof, Monday, 5 June 2023 02:08 (eleven months ago) link
Last words, as he sat at home watching the A's: "Can't anybody here play this game?"
― clemenza, Monday, 5 June 2023 02:26 (eleven months ago) link
People you thought were 80 years old already when his team humiliated yours in the 1989 NLCS
― omar little, Monday, 5 June 2023 02:34 (eleven months ago) link
He had been in ill health for some time aiui
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 5 June 2023 02:52 (eleven months ago) link
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/419Yf4Bi7WL._AC_UL600_SR600,600_.jpg
Enjoyed this book as a young Tigers fan. (Shout-out to scott pl.)
― Andy K, Monday, 5 June 2023 12:05 (eleven months ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1mlG0PXgAIHZDF.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Saturday, 22 July 2023 03:12 (nine months ago) link
We mourn the passing of Jim Price, a treasured member of the Tigers organization for decades.He spent all five years of his playing career wearing the Olde English âDâ, including the 1968 World Series championship season.— Detroit Tigers (@tigers) August 8, 2023
― Andy K, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 02:25 (nine months ago) link
A Statement from the Robinson Family and the Orioles:âWe are deeply saddened to share the news of the passing of Brooks Robinson. An integral part of our Orioles Family since 1955, he will continue to leave a lasting impact on our club, our community, and the sport of⌗ Baltimore Orioles (@Orioles) September 26, 2023
― j.q higgins, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 21:59 (seven months ago) link
Ah happy trails
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 26 September 2023 22:04 (seven months ago) link
Just heard that. He was something else in the '70 Series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_XHZbhR9qc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6FkSuRWZtA
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 22:05 (seven months ago) link
Apparently he was left-handed, and did everything left-handed, except bat and throw
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 23:17 (seven months ago) link
Jim Palmer said Brooks "never had a bad day in his life"
Thanks for the videos, clemenza. Wild to see video of that time. Great play
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 23:18 (seven months ago) link
Jim Palmer reflects on the legacy of Brooks Robinson. pic.twitter.com/2UlvMt5gBd— Orioles on MASN (@masnOrioles) September 26, 2023
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 00:55 (seven months ago) link
Nice clip. I'm going by memory here--and will feel silly if I'm wrong (can't seem to find confirmation online)--but I think Ken Burns used "Theme from Shaft" for the segment on Robinson and the '70s Series. He cheated by a year, but it was great. Clemente and Santana's "Oye Como Va" for the '71 Series was a perfect match; Robinson and "Shaft" was a brilliant contrast.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 02:01 (seven months ago) link
jim palmer is in awfully good shape for a guy who'll turn 78 in a couple weeks
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 02:33 (seven months ago) link
Sorry, forgot this thread existed for a moment.
Our hearts are broken with the loss of Tim Wakefield.Wake embodied true goodness; a devoted husband, father, and teammate, beloved broadcaster, and the ultimate community leader. He gave so much to the game and all of Red Sox Nation.Our deepest love and thoughts are with⌠pic.twitter.com/ah5kV2Yt8j— Red Sox (@RedSox) October 1, 2023
― Iâm going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Sunday, 1 October 2023 18:35 (seven months ago) link
Highly recommend Knuckleball, about his quest for his 200th win but really about this small fraternity of four or five people who account for almost everyone in the world who knows how to throw that pitch well. They golf together, keep in touch, and mentor Wakefield.
― clemenza, Sunday, 1 October 2023 18:44 (seven months ago) link
rip The Young Knuckleballer
went to see him do a rehab start for the carolina mudcats in 1993, but he ended up being scratched. andy van slyke was there rehabbing tho
classic pirates move to waive a guy who would win 186 games and put up 33 bWAR elsewhere. always rooted for him ;_;
― mookieproof, Sunday, 1 October 2023 18:49 (seven months ago) link
Tim Wakefield, Knuckleballer Extraordinaire pic.twitter.com/QElTCrnSMT— Codify (@CodifyBaseball) October 1, 2023
― mookieproof, Sunday, 1 October 2023 20:18 (seven months ago) link
For those that didnât notice, George Kirby threw a first-pitch knuckleball to Corey Seager for a swing and miss. Statcast had it as a splitter, but Kirby has been threatening to throw his knuckleball once in a game.— Ryan Divish (@RyanDivish) October 1, 2023
― Iâm going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Sunday, 1 October 2023 20:19 (seven months ago) link
This Mike Timlin-Tim Wakefield video from the 2007 World Series resonates even more now. Seemed like the absolute best teammate you could have. pic.twitter.com/4A3hx6nEIi— Mike Cole (@MikeColeNESN) October 1, 2023
― mookieproof, Sunday, 1 October 2023 20:20 (seven months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZf9UeZa4uA
― mookieproof, Sunday, 1 October 2023 21:08 (seven months ago) link
I'm sure many of you have read this before, but it's well worth a re-read in the aftermath of Wakefield's death. By my lights this is the best oral history about any baseball event ever: The Doug Mirabelli trade.
https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-doug-mirabelli-trade-an-oral-history/
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 2 October 2023 12:31 (seven months ago) link
baseball writer jim caple, who i used to enjoy reading back in the espn page 2 days and again years later at the athletic
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Monday, 2 October 2023 19:36 (seven months ago) link
thanks for posting that, tracer hand!
― brimstead, Monday, 2 October 2023 20:18 (seven months ago) link
Great read.
Loved watching (and imitating) him.
― Andy K, Monday, 2 October 2023 21:11 (seven months ago) link
Hondo, one of the legendary guys from my youth:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/mlb/article-12690331/Frank-Howard-Washington-Senators-dies-87-MLB.html
It's not so much how many HR he hit--under 400 for his career, reached 40+ three times--as when he hit them: 44 in '68 (with a slugging pct. of .552), when pitchers dominated like no year since the 1910s, and 48 in '69, which was wasn't as extreme but still pitching-dominated. And he was huge (standing next to Mantle here).
https://ladodgertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/gettyimages-52909635-612x612-1.jpg
― clemenza, Monday, 30 October 2023 21:04 (six months ago) link
"His coming-out party came in May 1968, when, during a stretch of 20 at-bats, Howard blasted 10 home runs. It still stands as the record for most home runs hit in one week."
https://www.mlb.com/news/frank-howard-dies
― clemenza, Monday, 30 October 2023 21:43 (six months ago) link
Little bit in Posnanski's post today about how much Ted Williams brought Frank Howard around as a hitter.
Then in 1969, the team hired their new manager, a guy named Ted Williams, and itâs utterly REMARKABLE how much that changed Frank Howard as a hitter. Up to that point, he was a wild free swinger with a .336 lifetime on-base percentage. Under Williams, he immediately cut down the strikeouts and doubled the walks; that year he hit .296/.402/.574 with those career-high 48 homers. The next year, he led the league with 132 walks. Ted Williams was a famously ineffective manager for many reasons, but Frank Howard would always say he made him a great hitter and he would lament not playing for Ted when he was young.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 02:37 (six months ago) link
Peter Seidler, grandson of Wally O'Malley, owner/controlling partner of SDP from 2012-2023.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 19:27 (five months ago) link
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2023-11-14/padres-chairman-peter-seidler-passes-away
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 19:28 (five months ago) link
Whoa
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 20:30 (five months ago) link
The Padres are super fucked, jeez
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 20:31 (five months ago) link
Werehavingafiresale.gif
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 20:31 (five months ago) link
Willie Hernandez, 1984 CY and MVP winner.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 23 November 2023 07:03 (five months ago) link
Wow. One of the great then vs. now seasons when tracing historical attitudes towards closers and how they're used. His '84 vs. Felix Bautista's 2023:
WH - 140.1 IP, 1.92 ERA, 3.1 WAR, Cy Young + MVPFB - 61 IP, 1.48 ERA, 3.0 WAR, 11th-place for the Cy (one 5th-place vote), 0 MVP votes
(Weirdly enough, similar W-L records: Hernandez 9-3, Bautista 8-2.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 23 November 2023 14:09 (five months ago) link
Like one of those Academy Award tributes: 2023 in memoriam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JarNaBC2Y4
― clemenza, Friday, 15 December 2023 18:03 (four months ago) link
Meant to say that there's a Seattle Pilot in there: Wayne Comer.
― clemenza, Friday, 15 December 2023 20:38 (four months ago) link
How did we miss this?
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39286514/bud-harrelson-scrappy-mets-ss-fought-pete-rose-dies-79
I didn't know about the Alzheimer's. Only won one GG, surprisingly--his defensive reputation was up there with almost anyone's through the '70s. (Usually lost out to Concepcion.) Got an MVP vote in '73 for playing 106 games and hitting .258--his career high till he hit .282/.272 his final two seasons. Immortal, of course, for this (Monday afternoon game, so I was probably sitting in Mr. Gudgeon's grade 8 class and missed it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xKLnO4hOs
Rose in 2008: "You had Seaver, who was the greatest pitcher I ever saw, and you had great hitters like Cleon Jones and Tommie Agee, and later Rusty and Milner. But the heart and soul of that team â ask anyone who played against them â was Bud Harrelson."
― clemenza, Friday, 12 January 2024 17:29 (four months ago) link
(Note to Thermo: if there was ever a player who was going to have "scrappy" in his obit headline, Harrelson's the guy.)
― clemenza, Friday, 12 January 2024 19:25 (four months ago) link
A member of the @Mets extended family has passed away. (Okay, REALLY extended family). Joyce Randolph, who played Trixie Norton on âThe Honeymoonersâ was 99 years old. Her grandnephew Tim Redding pitched for the Mets 15 years ago. TV, if not necessarily Mets royalty. RIP. pic.twitter.com/PlbXqMy0ws— Howie Rose (@HowieRose) January 14, 2024
― mookieproof, Monday, 15 January 2024 04:09 (three months ago) link
Steve Staggs, 72. Not sure if Facebook links to a public group work here:
https://www.facebook.com/TorontoBlueJaysBaseballFans/posts/pfbid0yWgxshR6QWTC1C8d8DFFvAWci77arNW12vSUDmwtvgRHtmWnahK9RbAvRRL2tXa5l
I don't remember him at all, even though he was the Jays' leadoff hitter for half their first season. Looks a lot like Wade Boggs here:
https://i.postimg.cc/9fhb6xDH/staggs.jpg
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 17:58 (three months ago) link
Jimy Williams (if he'd been a character in Goodfellas, he would have been Jimy One-M).
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/former-blue-jays-manager-jimy-williams-dead-at-80-1.7098047
1) Had the difficult task of taking over from Bobby Cox in 1986, after the Jays' first divisional title.
2) Manger when they collapsed in '87. After play on Sept. 26, the Jays were 96-59, the best record in baseball by 4-1/2 games. They proceeded to lose their final seven games, the last three by one run to the Tigers, the team that overtook them for the A.L. East title.
3) In the middle of probably the most memorable player-manager confrontation in team history:
https://mopupduty.com/a-memorable-blue-jays-opening-day-041117/
The Jays started the '89 season 12-24, Williams was fired and replaced by Cito Gaston, and it went from there.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 January 2024 00:22 (three months ago) link
"Manger"--I do remember invoking Jesus's name a number of times those final seven games.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 January 2024 01:04 (three months ago) link
I donât know anything about him but you might enjoy this Red Sox Stats tweet about the time he benched Pedro
On August 14, 1999, Pedro was 16-3 with 199 strikeouts, a 2.46 ERA and 1.62 FIP.He showed up late for a start, and Jimy sat his ass. pic.twitter.com/WJ7av91tU2— Red Sox Stats (@redsoxstats) January 29, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 30 January 2024 01:05 (three months ago) link
I'd completely forgotten he went on to manage other teams...Houston, too. Weird: he had a winning record in all three places (.535 for his career), and in every case, the team went on to their greatest success soon after he left (Jays and Red Sox win WS within three years, Houston goes to their first WS the very next year).
Maybe his biggest claim to fame, upon reconsideration, is managing Pedro in 1999 and 2000.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 January 2024 01:11 (three months ago) link
His biggest claim to fame is probably this:
Williams returned to the Braves as Cox's third base coach from 1991-96, memorably giving Sid Bream the green light for the pennant-winning run on Francisco Cabrera's single
I had no idea he was coaching for the Braves, although it makes sense that he'd follow his former boss to Atlanta.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 30 January 2024 09:23 (three months ago) link
Didn't know that either...eventful career.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 January 2024 11:45 (three months ago) link
Who just died? I briefly saw one of those rotating online headlines about a pitcher who played for 10 seasons dying...can't find anything.
― clemenza, Saturday, 10 February 2024 22:16 (three months ago) link
im not seeing anything
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 10 February 2024 23:07 (three months ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hannan
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 10 February 2024 23:17 (three months ago) link
That'd be him, thanks. Never heard of him. Definite claim to fame: part of the massive Denny McLain trade in 1970.
― clemenza, Saturday, 10 February 2024 23:20 (three months ago) link
Geez, missed this:
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/don-gullett-world-series-champion-with-reds-and-yankees-dies-at-73/
Easily the best pitcher on my first favourite team. From Posnanski's post today: best winning percentage for pitchers who won 100 games before turning 27 (44 of them in the 20th century).
1. Roger Clemens, 116-51, .6952. Don Gullett, 109-60, .6863. Dwight Gooden, 142-66, .6834. Jim Palmer, 122-57, .6825. Pedro Martinez, 107-50, .682
Retired after that--never pitched in another game.
― clemenza, Monday, 19 February 2024 22:18 (two months ago) link
ed ott, 72
u l washington, 71
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 March 2024 14:38 (two months ago) link
also tim wakefieldâs widow stacy, 57
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 March 2024 14:41 (two months ago) link
I remember Ed Ott, who then led me back to Duffy Dyer; Manny's backups.
― clemenza, Monday, 4 March 2024 15:08 (two months ago) link
having grown up with ed ott (and steve nicosia!) i have to stop and think whenever the the crossword is asking for MEL
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 03:17 (two months ago) link
Ed Ott did Felix Millan dirty. RIP but you will pay for it in the afterlife.
― buzza, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 07:10 (two months ago) link
missed this but former pirates/cardinals/white sox/etc pitcher jose deleon died a few weeks ago at 63
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 12:00 (one month ago) link
Such a strange pitcher, the disconnect between his peripheral stats and his W-L record--he got some attention for it at a time when few pitchers did. Both years he lost 19 (2-19 in '85!), he gave up fewer hits than IP. He walked too many, but he also struck out over 7 batters per 9 when, again, that wasn't common. For his career, a league-average ERA, a FIP of 3.61, and a W-L record 30 games under .500.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 13:08 (one month ago) link
kind of amazing that deleon still put up 1.8 fWAR while going 2-19
he was unlucky, but the '85 pirates were a deeply awful team (apart from rick reuschel). their leading home run hitter had 12!
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 20:13 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PqXNWS4aRU
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 March 2024 16:48 (one month ago) link
Three or four famous Mets on there...Did we mention Bill Plummer on this thread? Remember him well as Bench's backup.
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2024 18:17 (one month ago) link
Peter Angelos
https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/23/peter-angelos-orioles-owner-dies/
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 23 March 2024 18:50 (one month ago) link
Pat Zachry, 1976's NL ROY (tied with Butch Metzger):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mlb/2024/04/06/pat-zachry-obituary/a4456638-f465-11ee-a4c9-88e569a98b58_story.html
Also beat Dock Ellis in G3 of that year's WS sweep of the Yankees.
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 April 2024 15:11 (one month ago) link
I missed the biggest part of his story: he was one of the four players sent to the Mets for Seaver in '77 (along with Doug Flynn, Steve Henderson, and Dan Norman).
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 April 2024 15:15 (one month ago) link
catcher, most notably with the mets, jerry grote, 81
― mookieproof, Monday, 8 April 2024 23:10 (one month ago) link
the notorious fritz peterson, 82
― mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2024 18:39 (four weeks ago) link
Wow. Also a close friend of Bouton's (or at least was described that way in Ball Four). If you don't know about the notorious part, look him up!
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 April 2024 19:11 (four weeks ago) link
"I always did my best work when I was scared stiff. In fact, if I'm not scared for a game I'll create some critical situations in my mind. Like, I'll pretend it's a World Series game and that it really counts big. I told Fritz Peterson about how I felt about being scared and one day before I was going to start a game he came over and whispered in my ear: 'If you want to see your baby again you'll win today.'"
-- Ball Four
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:51 (four weeks ago) link
despite petersonâs notoriety, i was not expecting to receive a new york times push notification about his death
― mookieproof, Sunday, 14 April 2024 05:46 (four weeks ago) link
if we're going by ny baseball fan importance jerry grote (rip) way more notable than sex freakazoid peterson, his nice run with the non-competitive yankee clubs not withstanding
― buzza, Sunday, 14 April 2024 08:44 (four weeks ago) link
When Kenny Holtzman was a rookie in 1966, his start against Sandy Koufax was a big event for many of us â two Jewish left-handers going head-to-head a day after observing Yom Kippur. Holtzman pitched eight no-hit innings and the Cubs beat the Dodgers 2-1 at Wrigley Field. RIP. https://t.co/ahs4DJbn5V pic.twitter.com/IwDT6LI1uK— Mark Potash (@MarkPotash) April 15, 2024
― j.q higgins, Monday, 15 April 2024 23:34 (three weeks ago) link
Just heard about this from a friend. Kind of overshadowed on the A's dynasty by Hunter, Blue, and Fingers.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 01:35 (three weeks ago) link
When I was growing up, they would always show those retrospective programs covering the World series and they always showed ones from the Athletics dynasty. Holtzman was one of the singular guys I remembered, and growing up he loomed larger in legend for me than almost anyone from those teams outside of Reggie. When you look at his statistics, it's kind of unbelievable he never received a single Cy Young vote.
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 01:47 (three weeks ago) link
https://i.postimg.cc/gJNYQhwk/kevin.jpg
Don't remember him at all.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 03:51 (three weeks ago) link
Holtzman won game 7 of the 73 series versus the Mets, hit a double and scored a run. I'll never not miss pitchers batting, yes I'm old. Also, very good Grid choice because of brief and mostly forgotten Orioles and Yankees years.
― buzza, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:32 (three weeks ago) link
I didn't know that Holtzman played for the '77 and '78 Yankees, he won five WS rings! And yeah, it's surprising that he never got a CY vote with those pitching lines, but then again it's not surprising considering his competition on those WS winning teams.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 05:15 (three weeks ago) link
Happy trails Whitey Herzog
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:58 (three weeks ago) link
My first thought was that he was one of the very last autocratic old-school managers, but he retired in 1990, so I guess there were a number of them still around.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 16:15 (three weeks ago) link
ESPN: "A crew-cut, pot-bellied tobacco chewer who had no patience for the 'buddy-buddy' school of management..."
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 16:19 (three weeks ago) link
The Dodgers mourn the passing of one of the teamâs all-time greats, Carl Erskine, at the age of 97. Carl was an All-Star, a World Series Champion, a true ally to Jackie Robinson and more in the pursuit of equality, and a pioneering advocate for those with special needs, inspired⌠pic.twitter.com/1MPNDnz9HR— Los Angeles Dodgers (@Dodgers) April 16, 2024
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:53 (three weeks ago) link
Seems apropos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RUIeX6UCT8
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 22:00 (three weeks ago) link
Don't think I knew this (from Posnanski's obit):
In a nine-day span in June of 1949, the New York Yankees signed two 17-year-old prospects from the Midwest; one a shortstop out of a town called Commerce and the other an outfielder from a place called Belleville. The Yankees gave each of them a $1,500 signing bonus and something to dream about.
The shortstop was a kid named Mickey Mantle.
The outfielder was Rellie Herzog. Well, Rellie was a nickname. His full name was Dorrel Norman Elvert Herzog. A few months later, while playing in an Oklahoma town called McAlester, a local sportscaster noticed his light hair and gave him a new nickname.
And thatâs how he became Whitey Herzog.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:07 (three weeks ago) link
Whitey was one of the first non-Cubs managers I remember making an impression (along w/Earl Weaver and Billy Martin.) i'm pretty sure i thought he was about 70 in the '80s, he just looked like one of those old-time lifers. which he was, he just wasn't as old-time as i thought. i feel like the tobacco chaw no BS guys are few and far between these days, the guys who look like they've been through some shit already. Clint Hurdle was a recent-ish one i guess.
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:12 (three weeks ago) link
They're extinct--just doesn't work with guys making this much money. Which is good; having played for such coaches when I was younger, it's a way of behaving that should be extinct.
Having said that, when I see something like this, some irrational nostalgia for the Herzog/Weaver/Martin style of managing lingers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywuT2PMNQ54
― clemenza, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:22 (three weeks ago) link
journeyman dave mccarty, 54
― mookieproof, Sunday, 21 April 2024 00:14 (three weeks ago) link
https://theathletic.com/5484950/2024/05/10/sean-burroughs-death-mlb/
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 10 May 2024 22:45 (two days ago) link
Didn't immediately clue in as to who he was--Jeff Burroughs' son, I assumed, but I'd forgotten about his Little League fame.
― clemenza, Saturday, 11 May 2024 13:33 (yesterday) link