Rolling Kershaw choking in the post season thread pt 1 - DODGERS V. NATS NLDS 2016

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carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 7 October 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link

I fucked up the format of the playoff threads, sorry

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 7 October 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link

apology accepted

johnny crunch, Friday, 7 October 2016 16:53 (seven years ago) link

I'm hearing game 3 is at noon on Monday. LA thanks you for this gift, MLB.

However I have the day off so I'll probably be there.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 7 October 2016 16:54 (seven years ago) link

go Chavezzers, dust Dusty

How often have two African American managers faced each other in postseason?

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 October 2016 17:59 (seven years ago) link

never!

nomar, Friday, 7 October 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link

i thought that might be the case

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 October 2016 18:12 (seven years ago) link

got nothing against the nationals, really, but #winitforVin

(well, daniel murphy can fuck right off)

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Friday, 7 October 2016 18:22 (seven years ago) link

alas Ben Revere did not make the roster

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 October 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link

uh oh clay uh oh

Spottie, Friday, 7 October 2016 22:50 (seven years ago) link

dude looks rough

Spottie, Friday, 7 October 2016 23:09 (seven years ago) link

@Lynn_Henning
Kenny Albert's voice sounds like something he has to plug in and charge at night.

Andy K, Saturday, 8 October 2016 00:23 (seven years ago) link

lol @ murphy and his injured butt tryna steal

johnny crunch, Saturday, 8 October 2016 00:34 (seven years ago) link

lol murphy

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 8 October 2016 00:35 (seven years ago) link

jinx lol

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 8 October 2016 00:35 (seven years ago) link

kenley!

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 8 October 2016 00:58 (seven years ago) link

impressive

johnny crunch, Saturday, 8 October 2016 00:59 (seven years ago) link

That last strike to Heisey even if you did square up to it and make contact, it would have been a foul ball or hit it right into the dirt.

earlnash, Saturday, 8 October 2016 01:03 (seven years ago) link

Trea Wrongturner

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 October 2016 01:09 (seven years ago) link

jansen is filthy

johnny crunch, Saturday, 8 October 2016 01:23 (seven years ago) link

nats will miss wilson ramos alot, he was seemingly vital to that lineup ime

johnny crunch, Saturday, 8 October 2016 01:24 (seven years ago) link

rainout huh

johnny crunch, Saturday, 8 October 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link

kinda irritated at 1pm makeup scheduled vs my 3-hour Romanian film at NYFF

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 October 2016 14:26 (seven years ago) link

Reynolds is impressed with Seager's "girth."

Andy K, Sunday, 9 October 2016 19:38 (seven years ago) link

That also stuck out for me as a weird word choice.

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 9 October 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link

Was there a flock of birds just hanging out in the infield on that last ground out?

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 9 October 2016 20:09 (seven years ago) link

the Harper-college kid laundromat ad is suuuuch a porn setup

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 October 2016 00:14 (seven years ago) link

wait, this game is really exclusively on MLB TV?

k3vin k., Monday, 10 October 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link

tomorrow's game is apple watch exclusive

qualx, Monday, 10 October 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link

oops

mookieproof, Monday, 10 October 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link

danny espinosa in this series: 6 K, 3 HBP, that's it

mookieproof, Monday, 10 October 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link

do the Dodgers have to pitch Kershaw tomorrow?

Bee OK, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 00:48 (seven years ago) link

#Dodgers' NLDS Game 4 lineup:
Utley 2B
Seager SS
Turner 3B
González 1B
Reddick RF
Pederson CF
Grandal C
Toles LF
Kershaw P

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link

whooo

k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 October 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link

What's the line on this thing

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link

LA should do well against the right hander right?

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link

ross has not thrown many innings since returning from injury, whos behind him for wsh if they need long-ish relief idk

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 18:59 (seven years ago) link

http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/17771259/starting-kershaw-game-4-wrong-call-mlb

can someone summarize his argument here, i don't have insider anymore. seems like the right call to me

k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 October 2016 19:38 (seven years ago) link

Agree, have to go Kershaw

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-dodgers-should-start-julio-urias/

hm i guess this makes sense. still i'm happy to be able to watch kershaw pitch today

k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 October 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link

@billplunkettocr
#Dodgers Clayton Kershaw in those NLDS short-rest starts -- 19 IP 6 runs 4 ER 10 hits 23 K 4 BB.
1.89 ERA 0.74 WHIP

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link

rope single on kershaw's first pitch

― k3vin k., Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:07 PM (one minute ago)

k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:09 (seven years ago) link

lotta empty seats

Spottie, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:12 (seven years ago) link

@ScottMillerBbl
Mgr Dave Roberts on starting Kershaw on short rest: Way pen been used past couple days, Urias pitch count is issue, w/Kershaw can go deeper

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:13 (seven years ago) link

that ball 4 to harper looked pretty good

k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link

not off to a great start

mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:20 (seven years ago) link

RIP dodgers

k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:24 (seven years ago) link

27-pitch first ouch

Spottie, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link

lol kk

H9ow did the pitches look, generally? i will prob miss his entire performance (live)

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link

I should be watching this live but an empty beer garden is inviting.

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link

Going empty beer garden over home town elimination

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link

whatta buncha Petey Pessimists

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:30 (seven years ago) link

time to get oscar optimistic

mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:33 (seven years ago) link

Oscar Optimistic ascendant

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link

9 pitch 2nd and back on track

Spottie, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link

Shaggy 2 dope rushes the mound! Childhood ruined! Everything ruined!

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link

Srsly who here is rooting for the nats?

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:45 (seven years ago) link

me

Spottie, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link

H9ow did the pitches look, generally? i will prob miss his entire performance (live)

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:27 PM (eighteen minutes ago)

he actually looked awful in the first inning! missed a bunch of his spots. looked much better in the second

k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link

Spottie are you from D.C. Or ?

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:57 (seven years ago) link

giants fan grew up in salinas ca live in phx az now

Spottie, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:58 (seven years ago) link

but i like good games more than anything. and i love to watch the best at what they do so i like watching kershaw

Spottie, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link

i would like to see Harper in the WS someday (not w/ NYY), but after Daniel Murphy has sunk into oblivion.

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link

kershaw's got decent wheels!

k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 October 2016 22:08 (seven years ago) link

"Kershaw is like a ballerina"

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link

With that shadow, they are not going to hit Kershaw at all.

earlnash, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 22:54 (seven years ago) link

lmao dude posing

Spottie, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 23:08 (seven years ago) link

Doing it for the gifs

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 23:10 (seven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/785981231045365761

Spottie, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 23:12 (seven years ago) link

aw man this is greaaaat bball

Spottie, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 23:50 (seven years ago) link

Yikes.

Andy K, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 23:57 (seven years ago) link

Shadow went away along with Krershaw's win.

Neither of these clubs seem able to pitch well inside today at all. Ron Hunt would be proud.

earlnash, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 23:58 (seven years ago) link

here comes the 'he is not clutch' brigades (not on ILB thankfully).

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link

he is not clutch

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link

Haha

Spottie, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 00:14 (seven years ago) link

I did laugh.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 00:14 (seven years ago) link

Bad call on puig there

Spottie, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 00:14 (seven years ago) link

just got in, i hear the Nats owe the HP ump a check

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 00:35 (seven years ago) link

yay future HOFer Utley

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 00:41 (seven years ago) link

nl providing all of the entertainment this post-season

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 00:50 (seven years ago) link

@pedromoura
Written on the whiteboard in the Dodgers' clubhouse: "The umps lost"

Andy K, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 01:12 (seven years ago) link

@keithlaw

I think Roberts made about as bad a series of tactical decisions as you'll see in an MLB game.

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 01:49 (seven years ago) link

what were they besides sticking w/ CK?

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 01:52 (seven years ago) link

He burnt that right-handed reliever who came in and plunked that guy in one pitch, could be one I suppose.

earlnash, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 02:22 (seven years ago) link

good read

Kershaw's postseason relievers have allowed 9 of 14 inherited runners to score.

https://theringer.com/clayton-kershaw-october-luck-los-angeles-dodgers-2016-mlb-playoffs-4969800e9610#.se9hxbr6i

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 07:27 (seven years ago) link

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-history-of-clayton-kershaws-postseason-bullpens/

on a very related note

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 16:35 (seven years ago) link

i think it's ok to admit that kershaw just hasn't been great in the postseason. even if all 9 of those runners had been stranded, his postseason ERA would still be 3.77

k3vin k., Wednesday, 12 October 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link

sure, but that's... lower!

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link

No matter how much you massage the stats, he hasn't been nearly as dominant as in the regular season.

The sixth and seventh inning meltdowns are real. There was that game a couple of years ago against the Cardinals when he was dominating and then inexplicably gave up a go ahead three run homer to Matt Adams. I think Kershaw had given up one HR on his curve to a LHB in the previous three years. When it happens in the playoffs that's not bad luck or a small sample size, that's a guy making a horrible pitch at the worst possible time.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link

Yes, i was lamenting in a bar the other day that Kershawgod disappears in October.

It's funny that the Effectively Wild podcast has been obsessing over Rich Hill all year (mostly guessing what his market value will be this winter) and he gets to start this game.

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link

tbh he hasn't been vintage since coming off the dl

qualx, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 22:08 (seven years ago) link

PECOTA goin 54% Nats tonight

Urias in waiting when Hill's done

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17785233/los-angeles-dodgers-pitcher-rich-hill-start-game-5-nlds-vs-washington-nationals

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 October 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link

Scherzer FTW

calstars, Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link

Pulling hill pretty early

Michael F Gill, Friday, 14 October 2016 01:14 (seven years ago) link

that's awfully close to a balk from urias

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 02:16 (seven years ago) link

Man, games last forever these days. 2 hours in and they're in the 5th?

calstars, Friday, 14 October 2016 02:34 (seven years ago) link

whoops

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 02:34 (seven years ago) link

that was not a good idea

call all destroyer, Friday, 14 October 2016 02:42 (seven years ago) link

paid for it quickly

Michael F Gill, Friday, 14 October 2016 02:43 (seven years ago) link

Verducci Bunt Apoplexy

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 02:50 (seven years ago) link

doy

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 02:51 (seven years ago) link

when your choices for a pinch hitter are yasiel puig and a dude i've never heard of who happens to have hit a home run against this pitcher earlier this year, you have to go with that second dude

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 02:56 (seven years ago) link

worked out

Spottie, Friday, 14 October 2016 02:57 (seven years ago) link

shows you what i know

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 02:57 (seven years ago) link

damn chuey and utley what a world

johnny crunch, Friday, 14 October 2016 02:59 (seven years ago) link

Roberts is pumped.

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:06 (seven years ago) link

surprised turner didn't get to that ball with his speed

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 03:07 (seven years ago) link

the whole 5-pitchers-per-inning worked so well for Bochy, why not try it again

Michael F Gill, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:08 (seven years ago) link

Looked like Turner sorta pulled up short.

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:09 (seven years ago) link

Six pitchers, three outs.

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:13 (seven years ago) link

dusty baker is committed to destruction

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 03:14 (seven years ago) link

nice

Spottie, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:21 (seven years ago) link

isn't this sort of the opposite of his MO

qualx, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:22 (seven years ago) link

a real dusty game is scherzer's career is already over

qualx, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:22 (seven years ago) link

he's an agent of chaos and is not above switching up his steez to get it

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 03:25 (seven years ago) link

if kenley jansen houdinis out of this shit i will be convinced he is an android from westworld

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 03:35 (seven years ago) link

1 inning down, unsure if he can go 3.

Michael F Gill, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:43 (seven years ago) link

robot!!!!!

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 03:43 (seven years ago) link

oh yea he's def not going all three. possibly another tho

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 03:44 (seven years ago) link

what a miracle they didnt give up the lead

Spottie, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:44 (seven years ago) link

hope buck is watching

qualx, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:47 (seven years ago) link

he has to go the 8th but unless it's reaaaal quick i can't see him going out in the 9th

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 03:50 (seven years ago) link

David Vassegh ‏@THEREAL_DV
Kershaw and Dave Roberts having a conversation right now in dugout. 9th inning may still be in the plans.

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 03:51 (seven years ago) link

:o

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 03:52 (seven years ago) link

lol stephen fucking drew bullshitted his way onto another contender my god

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 03:54 (seven years ago) link

i forgot that

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 03:54 (seven years ago) link

Jansen should catch the ninth.

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:13 (seven years ago) link

HERE COME CLAYTON

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 04:14 (seven years ago) link

holy shit holy shit

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 04:17 (seven years ago) link

jensen killing time to get one of the outs his own self, i guess

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 04:23 (seven years ago) link

....or not?

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 October 2016 04:24 (seven years ago) link

ok i don't have fs1 so i can't see this but asking kenle y for three innings seems unwise

mookieproof, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:25 (seven years ago) link

huh

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 04:26 (seven years ago) link

I would have brought in Kershaw once Harper stalled on 1-0. You want even more time? All right.

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:27 (seven years ago) link

i want roberts to keep kenley in until he loses and in the post-game presser he says "i couldn't bring clayton in, he's a starter, closers get the save"

qualx, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:28 (seven years ago) link

If not now, when?

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:28 (seven years ago) link

he's thrown 45 pitches, fucking bring in kershaw

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 04:28 (seven years ago) link

holy fuck he's staying in

qualx, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:29 (seven years ago) link

literally the most pitches he's ever thrown!

qualx, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:29 (seven years ago) link

man if kershaw comes in and gives up the winning hit i'm gonna cry

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 04:30 (seven years ago) link

"We were saving Clayton for two outs, bases loaded."

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:30 (seven years ago) link

if werth gets 3-1 he's gonna go deep

mookieproof, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:31 (seven years ago) link

dusty looking on like wtf take him out

qualx, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:31 (seven years ago) link

this crazy

Spottie, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:33 (seven years ago) link

kershaw has been warming up the entire inning

qualx, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:34 (seven years ago) link

at least roberts didn't give kenle y the game ball

mookieproof, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:34 (seven years ago) link

pretty sure kershaw's thrown 50 pitches in the bullpen by now

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 04:34 (seven years ago) link

"Without a arm I spit." -- Kenley Geronimo Jansen

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:35 (seven years ago) link

the most batters jansen faced in a single game all year was 6. i think he faced 12 tonight??

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 October 2016 04:35 (seven years ago) link

95 mph, damn

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 04:37 (seven years ago) link

that was a strike btw

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 04:37 (seven years ago) link

i just realized this game has been going for 4.5 hours straight

qualx, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:37 (seven years ago) link

omg, it's kershaw vs a guy named difo

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 October 2016 04:39 (seven years ago) link

No pressure.

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:41 (seven years ago) link

what an odd game

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 14 October 2016 04:42 (seven years ago) link

thread title does not deliver

Michael F Gill, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:42 (seven years ago) link

dangit, i had just bet $500 on difo, i definitely thought he was going to get the best of baseball legend clayton kershaw

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 October 2016 04:42 (seven years ago) link

Can't believe Rob Wilfong struck out.

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:43 (seven years ago) link

man that was fucking sick

k3vin k., Friday, 14 October 2016 04:43 (seven years ago) link

kersh did it

Spottie, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:43 (seven years ago) link

lol

mookieproof, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:43 (seven years ago) link

Whatta choke job from Smurphy! /morbs

mookieproof, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:45 (seven years ago) link

"We'll be back." -- Mike Rizzo

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:46 (seven years ago) link

"lol ok" -- anthony rizzo

qualx, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:47 (seven years ago) link

"i skipped a period" -- betty rizzo

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 October 2016 04:50 (seven years ago) link

Did Reynolds say "I thought this game was managed in so many moves"?

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:51 (seven years ago) link

Thought for sure he was going to get a hit--Wilmer Difo sounded so much like the name of someone who'd get a hit in that situation.

clemenza, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:51 (seven years ago) link

Nice to see Yardbarker blogger Dontrelle Willis.

Andy K, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:57 (seven years ago) link

I'm still upset his intro music was never by D-Train

Michael F Gill, Friday, 14 October 2016 04:59 (seven years ago) link

this was a great series. not surprised dodgers wins were all of the one run variety.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 14 October 2016 15:57 (seven years ago) link


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