Suggested nickname: Carlos the Jackal. This may look as silly two or five years from now as if I'd started a Garry Templeton thread in 1978, but at the moment, where would you take him in an unrestricted building-a-franchise draft? For me, after Trout/Harper 1-2 in some order, it'd be a case of him or Kershaw third. I'd probably take Kershaw, with zero confidence that I was making the right decision.
― clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2015 16:44 (five years ago) link
i've watched his impressive statline but i've barely seen him play at all this season, so can't say much. but (honest question, not snarky) what makes him stand out even more than...bryant, lindor, sano, conforto, [insert your pet 2015 rookie superstar here]??
― 1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Saturday, 3 October 2015 16:50 (five years ago) link
His age and position. Looking at Bryant, I think the upside difference between a 20-year-old shortstop and a 23-year-old first baseman is rather large. Sano's 22 and has mostly DH'd this year--don't know what he's like in the field. James used to study this stuff; his level of production at age 20 is, historically, significant. (Which is not to say that there haven't been other 20-year-olds at a similar level of production who didn't pan out. But not too many, I don't think.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2015 16:56 (five years ago) link
Sorry, Bryant's third base. That does strengthen his case, but the age difference is still there.
― clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2015 16:58 (five years ago) link
Lindor was really impressive when we played Cleveland a few weeks ago; yeah, those two are probably comparable. Correa has a year on him and, at the moment, more power.
― clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2015 17:02 (five years ago) link
― 1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:28 (five years ago) link
I watched a bunch of Houston games in the late season, starting pretty much when the Giants were toasted and yeah, Correa has a tremendous swing. Him + Springer his going to do a lot of damage in the coming year.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:51 (five years ago) link
Once again, I forgot all about Weighted Mahalanobis Distance--I hate when that happens.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:25 (five years ago) link
Lindor has been awesome:
Lindor: 390 AB, 50 R, 122 H, 22 2B, 4 3B, 12 HR, 51 RBI, 12 SB, 2 CS, 27 BB, 69 K, .313/.353/.482Correa: 387 AB, 52 R, 108 H, 22 2B, 1 3B, 22 HR, 68 RBI, 14 SB, 4 CS, 40 BB, 78 K, .279/.345/.512
And... small sample size, but:
Corey Seager: 113 AB, .337/.425/.561
Great year for rookie SS's
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:45 (five years ago) link
Forgot I started this thread. Having a good year--4.9 WAR at 21 and presumably headed for 6.0+ must be Top 10 ever for that age--but hasn't taken the big step forward I was hoping for, which would have unrealistically been a Trout/A-Rod type season: 35 homers, .300/.550+. Maybe next year.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 August 2016 17:16 (four years ago) link
It won't be Top 10.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 August 2016 17:23 (four years ago) link
has to be top ten at SS
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 14 August 2016 04:30 (four years ago) link
After checking, it is. Extraordinary is that in the top 20 all time of age 21 seasons at SS, there is last season's of Lindor at 4th, this season's Addison Russe at 11 and this season's Correa at 7th.
Also, Lindor only played 99 games that season, which is all sorts of nuts.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 14 August 2016 04:37 (four years ago) link
per fangraphs WAR that is.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 14 August 2016 04:43 (four years ago) link
Had a slow start this year, but really coming on--big day today, huge May, now at .311/.386/.514, 12 doubles, 8 HR. He'll turn 23 towards the end of September. He's not Trout or A-Rod out of the gate, but I'll basically hold to what I wrote in the first post; after Trout and Harper, he's the next guy I'd take in an open draft. (Ahead of Kershaw/Sale, maybe...I don't know.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 01:15 (three years ago) link
I'd take Kershaw before Harper.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 02:08 (three years ago) link
Interesting. Kershaw will end this year just shy of 2,000 innings--who knows if he ends up being Randy Johnson or Roy Halladay in terms of longevity. Harper's been kind of unpredictable thus far.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 02:15 (three years ago) link
kershaw's five years older and a pitcher, easy decision imo
― qualx, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 02:24 (three years ago) link
Ah yes, I was thinking more who are you taking at draft age.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 02:26 (three years ago) link
sort of feel like people forget about bryant in these discussions
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 May 2017 03:16 (three years ago) link
This goes back to Monday's home run:
Loved Garciaparra; hopefully Correa won't break down physically.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:46 (three years ago) link
or mentally. that wouldn't be nice either.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:02 (three years ago) link
I want to counter with a player who was both long-term great and crazy (not flaky, crazy), and I can't think of anyone.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 21:57 (three years ago) link
hoping correa follows the a-rod path so we get some good photoshoots out of it
― qualx, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 23:51 (three years ago) link
Hurt his thumb again tonight.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 03:39 (three years ago) link
correa has been very, very good. lindor has been even better. correa has always been a bit ahead of lindor, offensively, but lindor provides so much surplus defensive value that he's been worth more WAR, overall. and this year, lindor's offense has been better as well, even though correa is still raking.
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Thursday, 17 May 2018 01:57 (two years ago) link
Definite edge to Lindor at the moment.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 May 2018 04:38 (two years ago) link
He's kind of lousy this year.
― clemenza, Friday, 21 September 2018 11:50 (two years ago) link
With the usual caveats about opportunities:
― clemenza, Friday, 18 October 2019 12:46 (one year ago) link