A Thread For Starting Pitchers That Are Doing Really Well

good job

Renteria really sucks.

Ryan Dempster has been shockingly effective in his two starts. 13 IP, 4 hits, 4 BB, 2R (1 ER), 10 K. Kudos.

not really shocked cuz dempster showed #3-type stuff in relief last year, mixing in a lot of above avg pitches but nothing super-special; having him in the bp was kind of confounding to me. havent seen him yet this year but my guess is that he'll be a quality starter

Yeah the shock is from years of mis-having him as a closer.

edgar "i stretch a lot in the batters box" renteria provided half their offense!

Kyle Lo(h)se deserves a place here

Cain just dingered.

And has 6 no-hit innings.

it is now 6.2 3-hit innings.

can add Looper to the list of ex-closers doing wtf well as a starter.

LEE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY ANYTHING WHICH IS THE POINT OF THE THREAD HINT HINT

Off-topic but on-topic in the "taking thread title literally" sense: SCOTT OLSEN (!?!?!?)

Not surprising: Jair Mothjerrfjuckjing Jurrjens. What is surprising, though, is his 7.46 K/9.

Yeah, after yesterday's start I grabbed him in the fantasy league. He looked good in an "I don't give a fuck about ANY of these chumps" way.

Ponson wtf.

every year there's always one or two dudes like this guy was in '00:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/smithch07.shtml

joe saunders

scott olson, tho he got rocked last night

Jon Lester is pitching really well so far today.

: D

Man I sure picked the right meaningless Royals game to go to. Never thought I'd see a no-hitter.

well they are often worse pitched than some one or two hit games.

well, you know, it takes a tremendous amount of luck to achieve a one or two hitter.

they are often worse pitched than three or four hitters.

haha, fuck you :)

(METS HAVE DONE FINE W/OUT ONE IN 46 YEARS)

best pitched game i ever saw live was when pedro struck out 15 and lost. to tampa. completely wtf.

excuse me, retrosheet.org tells me he struck out 17 and lost.

PITCHING
Tampa Bay Devil Rays         IP     H   R  ER  BB  SO  HR

Trachsel W(2-2)               9     3   0   0   3  11   0
Boston Red Sox               IP     H   R  ER  BB  SO  HR

P. Martinez L(5-1)            9     6   1   1   1  17   0

but Trachsel pitched better! HE GAVE UP HALF AS MANY HITS!

anyone see WGN rerun the 9th of Jim Maloney's no hitter vs the Cubs in '65, a few weeks ago during a rain delay? The guy walked TEN and threw something like 190 pitches!

Back when the game was played by MEN

pretty sure while w/ montreal pedro threw 9 perfect innings & ended up losing

that's not too impressive, a lot of bad luck involved there.

xp to Andy: MEN whose arms were dead at 31!

so what? all the hitters were either boozed up or hungover. EVEN PLAYING FIELD.

xp to Andy: MEN whose arms were dead at 31!

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Back then, you didn't know whether you'd HAVE your throwing arm the next day -- lost to the combine out on the back forty, or combat, or what have you. You just threw like hell, left everything out there on the mound.

I once left my watch out on the mound, but that was not on purpose.

daniel cabrera, the consecutive reigning AL walks champion, pitched his third game WITHOUT issuing a walk this season last night. his three-peat is in peril as he has now tumbled out of the top ten on the heels of his 8th straight quality start.

Following Daver's stinging rebukes, I'd like to known if it's now OK to say that Lester pitched a NH.

Dana Eveland is pitching very nicely.

http://static.flickr.com/72/175995087_edd1f77f57_o.jpg

i saw andrew miller strike out 9 the other night, but i originally thought it was 13 or so, so i couldn't even imagine seeing 17

joe saunders is 8-1 w/ a 2.31 era right now

JUSTIN DUCHSCHERER

n/m

Cueto through five

Last Play: G. Blanco reached on bunt single to third

>:O

BRETTY MYERS OH MY THRU 6

Oh well

Greg Maddux still has it. He's perfect so far . . .

Ladies and Gentlemen, Bitter Cubsfan

I guess it's all part of what they call . . . gowring up.

you, f, hit the gowrs.

poor form.

was he perfect? i watched a bar fight at the home of the arts in the ukrainian village. never noticed.

felicity thought it would be 'funny' to post that after he'd pitched 1 inning & has now given herself a temp ban, assuming she has any honor left

Greg Maddux still has it. He's perfect so far . . .

I will give him to you for Rich Hill and Matt Murton, whaddayasay.

Haha temp ban = 5 days vacation from ILX.

Todd Wellemeyer is on the verge of 7-1 w/ an era under 3. thank you, kc royals.

DAVE BUSH

The same Dave Bush recently knocked out of the first inning by my ranked-30th-in-offense MLB 2K8 team?

It takes a village. Containing the same person. Doing stuff.

Cranky Toronto fans jinxing the hell out of DB on the BJ thread need not spread their poor sportsmanship here.

i may be cranky but i wish mr bush the best of luck with whatever may or may not be going on.

An Overbay TRIPLE?

i did not see that coming.
nor did i see rios getting a hit with a runner on - when he'd learn to do that?

2007?

Certainly not that lousy Adam Dunn.

the gays love Dave Bush, tho not as much as they love JJ Hardy. (personal observation)

uh, did you mean to spell "jays" there?

I don't know if the Jays lust for Bush

they might, now.

You guys are fast asleep. How could "The Franchise" not be mentioned a single time in this thread since its inception?
http://images.udubdish.com/images/admin/tim1.jpg

MATT GARZA

NEVER MIND

tho a 108-pitch CG w/ 10 Ks and only 2 baserunners (1 solo HR, 1 BB) ain't too shabby

one of the weavers is trailing 1-0 & belongs on this thread

balls, 97 pitches/0 hits = hit the showas!

LOS ANGELES PITCHERS JERED WEAVER AND JOSE ARREDONDO COMBINED FOR AN UNOFFICIAL NO-HITTER.

ah how fondly im reminded of the andy hawkins game

i was at the dodgers/angels game because some dude randomly gave me and my gf tickets at this restaurant 30 min before the game! i was so excited because it was HISTORIC and i kept telling my gf this and she didn't seem to care that much. but it's only the 4th time in MLB history that this has happened!

The Weaver pout was in full effect.

Weaver? Uh-oh, this thread could go "taco" toxic any second now!

Tim Kurkjian pretty much wet himself over this whole thing last night. Ridiculous.

I think it was the fifth time that happened. Anyway we are at Dodger Stadium and John Lackey is doing really well shutting out the Dodgers so far!

Jun 27
Nolasco pitched a six-hitter over eight innings for his eighth win as Florida got by Arizona 3-1 on Friday night.
Recommendation: Nolasco (8-4) allowed one earned run and one walk while striking out nine. Nolasco has been outstanding is his last four starts compiling a 3-0 record with a 4:27 BB:K ratio with a 1.82 ERA and .909 WHIP over 29.7 innings.

8-1 in last 11 starts

Hmmmm...

THE DOUBLE BY ATLANTA'S MARK TEIXEIRA IN THE EIGHTH INNING ENDED KURODA'S PERFECT GAME AND NO-HITTER.

a one hit gem, nonetheless.

Nothing to see here.

HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENNINIG IN THE FENWAY? THE NATION WILL DEMAND A HIT RECOUNT

I turned down tickets to this game :(

PEDROIA U ROT

well that was fun while it lasted...

This kid has quietly been awesome:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3224/2616147194_1afa18f741.jpg

8-4, 3.27 ERA, 1.20 WHIP.

Right-handed hitters versus Galarraga: .144/.234/.236

WOW, Ervin Santana has a no-no through 4 1/3. OMG.

WOW, Ervin Santana has a no-no through 5. OMG.

WTF does Michael Kay have a posse of no-fun dingos?

ricky nolasco just finished off a complete game 2-hit shutout w/ 11 strikeouts (i think), breaking the marlins MLB record for highest number of games a franchise has ever gone w/o a complete game: 301 (i think)

I was at that game...Nolasco on FIYAH.

were people in the crowd making a big deal that up until the 9th, it looked like he might pitch a 1 hitter with the 1 hit being that obvious error by jacobs that was called a hit by the home scorekeeper

they were making mention of it every 3 minutes on tv, but i was the watching marlins broadcast

Nobody around me was, but I was sure thinking about it.

Carlos Zambrano is pitching really well in his first game back from the DL.

In Miller park even. No hits through 8 and 99 pitches.:)

: D

CHICAGO PITCHER CARLOS ZAMBRANO HAS A NO-HITTER THROUGH SIX INNINGS.
CHICAGO PITCHER CARLOS ZAMBRANO HAS A NO-HITTER THROUGH SEVEN INNINGS.
CHICAGO PITCHER CARLOS ZAMBRANO HAS A NO-HITTER THROUGH EIGHT INNINGS.
CHICAGO PITCHER CARLOS ZAMBRANO HAS A NO-HITTER THROUGH EIGHT AND 1/3 INNINGS.
CHICAGO PITCHER CARLOS ZAMBRANO HAS A NO-HITTER THROUGH EIGHT AND 2/3 INNINGS.
CHICAGO PITCHER CARLOS ZAMBRANO HAS THROWN A NO-HITTER.

what a freakish occurrence

"I don't know man, my arm is weird, for real"

"To throw a no-hitter is good, man. It's one of the few things in baseball you most enjoy."

It's early, but Ted Lilly is pitching pretty well today, too.

no-hitter through five

lol astros

oh my, not much of a "home team" so far in Milw.

no no-hitter for lilly :/

DETROIT PITCHER DONTRELLE WILLIS HAS A NO-HITTER THROUGH ONE INNING.

r.i.p.

ted lilly is pitching in miller park

No hitter?

kirkjian must have loved that shit. broken up by the same numbered player in the same inning

He hasn't been pitching that great all year but Maddux passed up Clemens on the all-time wins list at #8.

hmm

lester lester lester lester lester

haha actually broken up w/in seconds of my post

Most wins in the NL - Jason Marquis of the Colorado Rockies.

pitcher wins mean zip

BRING THE SUSTAINABLE BABIP OR DON'T BRING IT AT ALL

pitcher wins mean zip

He also leads the Rockies in IP and WHIP, and is top 50 in MLB in ERA among starters. Better than Beckett, Hamels, Oswalt, Young, Pettite...

Probably can't sustain it (39 strikeouts in 81 innings!), but a lot better than you'd expect to get out of a guy like that. Livan-esque!

Marquis wins make up about 1/3 of the teams total which is pretty bitchin.

Morbs pwned. Thanx guys.

wins still don't add anything to your "argument"

Wins aren't completely meaningless ... they're just not as meaningful as other measures. How often would you find that a 5-15 pitcher is having a better statistical year than a 15-5 pitcher? 1 out of 100? Less than that?

by pitcher VORP, Marquis is 29th in the NL, 7 places behind his teammate Ubaldo Jimenez, who gives up homers about a third as often. Marquis' strikeout total of 4.3/9 IP also suggests he's been lucky, as does his .276 BABIP versus .333 for Jimenez.

Also, this is a thread for in-progress no-hitters.

^^well, no no-hitters this year, now

:-(

i thought this was a thread for pitchers that are doing really well, like in general

i thought this was a thread for pitchers that are doing really well, like in scrabble.

or perhaps poker.

baseball has a tradition of dancing around directly mentioning a no-hitter in progress, so as not to jinx it. so we just post here when a pitcher is doing "really well" in a particular game, as a heads-up.

or when a pitcher is doing really well on a date, like if i see chad billingsley at a bar in l.a. scoring with some hot chick, i'll come back here and report on that.

If superstition about talking about no-hitters extends to random losers on the internet, no one will ever pitch a no-hitter ever again.

Morbs, you're right, of course, but Marquis is so regularly denigrated as, at best, a league average innings-eater (and I'm not arguing this isn't true) that when he actually does, you know, top the most visible stat list, I'm happy to celebrate him. Ubaldo is just a stud. Keep watching this guy (probably lose it completely tonight, ending our 8-win streak singlehandedly, hey ho).

or when a pitcher is doing really well on a date, like if i see chad billingsley at a bar in l.a. scoring with some hot chick, i'll come back here and report on that.

― gangsta hug (omar little), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:03 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think youd probably use the jeff weaver tacos thread

Swingman Weaver's doing OK right now (dos tacos, 29 innings)!

FREAK (in these conditions acc'ding 2 espn: Weather 60 degrees, Snowing)

JonathanSanchez.

I'm sitting just to the right of home plate, visible on TV. Beard, Red Sox cap, next to a blonde woman.

Dear my vagina, are you to the right as in the first base or third base side?

First. In the belowground section when they're showing the batter.

I see you now, My Vagina.

still doing really well

they're going to show the top of the ninth on espn

i see milo

it's not showing it on espn here ;_;

they're gonna break away from bb tonight once the top of the ninth starts

8.1 really good innings so far

really good pitching sometimes needs really good fielding...nice

thought that was gone

nice

can't believe that dude showed bunt, tho

dude's dad was buggin the fuck out in the stands, great for him. so glad he K'd that last dude who showed bunt first pitch...i'd have drilled him between the shoulders

congrats to jonathon sanchez for the first no hitter in the history of the A Thread For Starting Pitchers That Are Doing Really Well era

oh wait i guess not

wow sick ending w/the called k

Giants got to trade him while his value's high.

Does it count if it was against the Padres?

After watching this, happened to switch over to NYY-LAA in time to see Jeter's dropped routine pop-up -- talk about the cherry on top.

Amazing that a no-hitter was thrown w/ that 3B-SS combo on the field.

Shouldn't count when you do it against the Padres.

Oh, I see Steve has already mentioned that.

I see you now, My Vagina.

― Stacey Pollen (Andy K), Saturday, July 11, 2009 3:50 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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Those were the best seats I've ever had for a major-league game. I was in the front row, third base side for Nolan Ryan's seventh no-hitter at Arlington Stadium, but the game itself is kind of a blur and we were out just past third.

I didn't think to get a SF paper the next morning :(

!!!HEY YOU GUYS MARK BUERHLE IS TWIRLING ANOTHER NO-HITTER!!!

― Money Earnin' Wells, Vernon (Andy K), Thursday, May 7, 2009 9:21 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark

perfect game so far actually

on mlb network btw

WHOA

omfg Wise

This is the fastest I've ever seen a pitcher work.

got it

awesome, congrats to buehrle.

awesome :D

way 2 go!

NIIIICE

lol @ ken harrelson "nice job honey" after the field reporter interviewed beuhrle

http://www.matadorrecords.com/matablog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ole-832-the-hawk-is-howling.jpg

Cool. I thought that was like the 14th PG, but it's the 19th!

How many perfect game dudes have also thrown a no-hitter?

somebody gimme a gif of that dude in the camo nick swisher jersey

xp randy johnson did both. mike witt pitched part of a combined no-hitter (last two innings). addie joss did it. oh yeah and cy young.

I did not realize that Mark B is only 30 years old!

Seems like he's been around forever.

yeah he was a youngun when he debuted.

Saw this on another board:

Cy Young, Addie Joss, Jim Bunning, Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax, and now Mark Buehrle have all thrown no-hitters in addition to their perfectos.

<3 buehrle

Mark B. from the Lou. heard there was a crazy catch in the 9th that saved it.

Buehrle threw his perfect game pitching at home at U.S. Cellular Field against the Tampa Bay Rays in a 5-0 victory on July 23, 2009. It was his second career no-hitter and the second perfect game in White Sox history. It was also highlighted by Dewayne Wise's catch that robbed a home run off Gabe Kapler and preserved the perfect game for Buehrle in the 9th inning. Wise's catch instantly resuled in a massive and long-lasting erection on the part of Ken "The Hawk" Harelson.

ha hahhaa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIJiLCsT_MI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoqnE0m588I

"...and for one shining afternoon there was no more talk of titties or rapes."

We can glowingly talk about this all we want, but nothing will erase the black eye Jim Parque has placed upon the White Sox organization and this sport.

this game was really a boon for the 1/3 of my fantasy lineup made up of rays

as my friend pointed out, "at least no one went 0-4"

man you guys got to tell me you're all over in this thread

god damn, missed this

whoa just looked at mlb.com to check the WC standings and was hit with this like BALDOW SON!!!!!!!

can i just point out that he did this against the rays (team OPS of .803), in the cell, with fucking scott podsednik in center field? holy balls

buehrle is perfect thru 5, and has set a new MLB record for consecutive hitters retired (42?)

MLB Network's showing it.

aw

dangit

45, sick
it was kind of funny when they went uh oh we got to cut away.. also.. mauer's up

damn buehrle

Ryan Rowland-Smith through six.

Billy Squire AND Frank Caliendo coming to Seattle, btw.

n/m -- guess that wasn't through six, either.

shields thru 6.2...its on mlb network fyi

its dumb they are only showing the top half of the inning

the no-no is off, but still a great game.

okay, you can take him out now Joe wtf.

Houston's Norris is throwing a 1-hitter through 6 innings against the Cards in his first ever MLB start.

a thread for starting pitchers who are doing pretty well

a thread for starting pitchers who seem like they might end up a-ok

Brian Bannister has not been mentioned despite pitching in the same game as Shields and not having allowed a run yet.

Also, this is a thread for in-progress no-hitters.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:43 PM (1 month ago)

oic

what kind of name is Yusmeiro anyways?

petite having a good outing against pittsburgh, we're through six

petit*

Josh Johnson through six.

Not a no-no - but Baker threw a two hitter last night.

ayo

Good job, Jerry.

eh that's what you get for letting jerry hairston play

oh well peace out thread

Ma ma se, ma ma sa, ma ma coo sa

Peace out YES broadcast

ayo

triple a doesn't count

im just glad its not vs the mets

move along nothing 2 see here

plz wait til 8th inning (what was this)

billingsley v nats

not a no hitter but nolasco has 9 ks thru 4

12 through 5

wow, 12 thru 5, incl. 9 straight
xp

9 consecutive - major league record is 10?

yes - Seaver vs. Padres, 4/22/70.

And Vazquez has 9.

yeah they need to fly in jorge de la rosa & lincecum to pitch relief

Most K's in a game by both teams is a little tougher to find.

The Roach breaks the string.

14 thru 6

sheesh

and that was with a borderline ball call on 3-2

Here we go, NL record is 30, AL is 31.

the braves are ruining everything

15 through 7

bows out with 16 in 7.2

mlb high this year

b4 i heard abt nolasco i thought this mightve been revived for charlie morton or justin masterson...or more likely halladay

Charlie Morton
9.0CG 8K 0.00 0.78

Justin Masterson
9.0CG 12K 1.00 0.67

pettite having a pretty nice first four innings

whoops

cos of a single?

single = hit iirc

an early bump this year

yes. with a man i decided to bench this morning :s

oh well

oh dear

a thread for very fat pitchers that are doing really well

lol

why would you ever bench this great fattey

(oops i cant read dates n/m)

jesus christ

standing between cc and destiny: kelly shoppach, gabe kapler

Haha FU ex-teammate!

ha ha

shop-pow!

jcrasnick
Johnny Damon would have had that.

ricky romero is lookin ~nasty~

live look-ins on mlb network

12 ks!!!!

thru 6!

oof

oh well, 98 pitches, outta gas most likely. plus I don't have MLB, so no no-hitters this year.

Ubaldo Jimenez vs. the Braves

105 pitches (six walks) through seven.

AMAZING catch by Dexter Fowler

Jimenez has that beautiful tailing fastball that catches the inside corner on lefties, a la Maddux.

Through 8 now

He should float an eephus here.

My guys lost, but good for him.

No baserunners allowed after he went to the stretch midgame.

I liked this article about Ubaldo:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5109613

My favourite player, the nicest guy in baseball, throws a no-hitter. I'm pretty stoked!

Fister...

ha

Bad timing!

nice work FISTER

did markakis fist the single?

lol kinda

Phil Hughes vs A's thru 6

through seven

nine k's/87 pitches

he is having a good game

what a horribly formed "hit"

yay

that's a pretty shitty way to get your no hitter broken up

no-hitters are a dumb stat

that's a statement only a true mets fan could make

lol

having been no-hit by legends like Ed Halicki, yeah

i'm with morbs on this one actually... never understood why walks allowed are more notable than base hits allowed.

teams perpetrate no-hitters, not pitchers, w/ great catches etc.

yeah, like, ubaldo's no hitter felt kinda cheap, what with 6 walks and all

Also, they're an excuse to leave your pitcher in the game too long for no reason.

But they're fun so fuck it.

i was at the phil hughes game. throat is real sore from heckles of:

"triple a sweeney"
"billy beane sucks"
"ben sheets sucks" (it wasn't til the 4th i found out he was actually starting, convenient)

thugged out dudes did not appreciate "san jose"

maybe cuz oakland's aaa affiliate is sacramento, not san jose (giants).

San Jose might steal the A's from Oakland one day.

First MLB start of the season for our best/second best pitching prospect: 7IP, 1H, 3BB, 0R. We badly needed that after all our recent injuries.

yes but how do you pronounce his name?

speaking of banged up rotations, this crew of brewers pitching coming into la is full of shit.

shaw-sin, i think.

brett see-suhl

welp

Yu-lees Sha-seen, I think.

shin-soo not shin-shoo

scott olsen (?!)

Matt Cain's got a 1-hitter through 6

i spot started olsen in ilx fantasy tonight

oh, the nats

weaver hasnt even given up any mini-tacos yet

junior says no

a-rod foe dallas braden is through seven against the rays

perfecto thru 8

Have there been a crazy number of near no-hitters this season or is it just me?

i was thinking that today too -- it's like once a week now someone gets into the 7th

oh shit

jaso just ripped a ball but it was right at the LF

ALL THAT STANDS BETWEEN ME AND HISTORY IS

....

gabe kapler?

crazy

i hope a-rod calls to congratulate him

yeah right

"I made him"

http://cdn.newsone.com/files/2009/08/a-rod.jpg

I guess his 15 minutes of fame are going to be stretched out a little bit. kudos.

This is amazing, he threw a perfect game against the 2nd best offense in the league (2nd by just one run to the Yankees at the start of the day), the team with by far the best record in baseball that had one of the best W-L starts on the road in the history of the game. This might have been the "toughest" PG ever thrown!

by "toughest" I mean "degree of difficulty"

also, being dallas braden and all

he didn't have a full count after the 4th inning

that was a 3-1 pitch that kapler broke his bat on

Not a perfect game today, although he had a no-hitter through six, but Mike Leake held on and got another win today for the Reds. He has been the Reds best starter by far so far this year.

The guy looks really good and very polished. While he has a decent fastball, Leake seems to really know how to pitch.

Not sure what's more bizarre: Braden today or Juan Uribe drawing four walks.

haha what the fuck

i benched the dude in ilx fantasy today cause i was expecting the rays to murder him

So his mom died when he was in high school, and his grandmother raised him in Stockton.

And so he throws a perfect game at home in front of his grandmother and a lot of Stockton people on Mother's Day.

Bet Tim's got some Kirk-gems lined up.

what's exactly is the deal with him and a-rod?

oh, nevermind. the game recap just mentioned it.

hilar perfect game--braden was never above 90 and got 4 swinging strikes. but that's how they do in the 209

Mat Latos for SD... he's thrown 98 pitches through 8, only 2 baserunners allowed (1 hit, 1 error)

## also he drove in the game's only run scored today ##

Game Time 2:06

nice job mat -- ur name is still short a t fyi

.719: Red Sox pitcher Jon Lester’s winning percentage, the highest for a pitcher with at least 100 starts

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2010/db100521.gif

that is excellent

dicek is hard 2 figure out (thru 5)

thru 6 now, though his pitch count is getting a bit high for someone who's only a few starts removed from a DL stint

Doc through seven.

http://blog.soliant.com/wp-content/uploads/doctor-picture.jpg

man I always forget halladay is on the phillies

cantu just smoked a ball, third basemen made a great play tho

thru 8, getting 7-8-9 in the ninth

if he fucks this up he should get the blown save

funny thing about this is, it would be 0-0 right now but cameron maybin dropped a fly ball -- would've been interesting to see him take it into the tenth

daaamn

xp yeah that would be interesting...whens the last time that happened?

damn son

WILL PAULINO EXTEND HIS IMPRESSIVE HITTING STREAK

crazy

All he did was pound his fist into his glove!

So happy for him.

i assume that you have to throw a complete game to get credit for a perfect game/no hitter, even if you throw 9+ innings?

idk i know someone did 12 innings back in the day, and iirc his team lost the game. when i was 13 I coulda told you all this

seriously happy for halladay tho

j0rdan i'm not sure, that time that oswalt got hurt and then the astros bullpen no-hit the yankees counts as a no-hitter, though it's not credited to any single one of them

i guess i'm more interested/unsure of the implications of a guy throwing 10 perfect innings, getting pulled, and his team winning in the 11th, which was a very real possibility tonight

in that scenario obv someone else would've pitched in the 11th

here's a game where that happened
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PIT/PIT199707120.shtml

it's on the no-hitter list for sure, but i'm not sure if Cordova gets credit for a no-hitter by the book. he should though!

also while i'm on B-R here's probably the worst tough-luck loss of all time for a pitcher
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MLN/MLN195905260.shtml

ha, wow

OMG

i'm like happy for him - but why couldn't this have happened in T.?

I"M TORN!

thru 8, getting 7-8-9 in the ninth

― ok dennis hopper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, May 29, 2010 6:09 PM (3 hours ago)

uh...

???

ha yeah i was gonna playfully bust him for that too

also while i'm on B-R here's probably the worst tough-luck loss of all time for a pitcher
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MLN/MLN195905260.shtml

― ciderpress, Saturday, May 29, 2010 10:23 PM (Yesterday)

harvey haddix! that was the name

I would feel really shitty if I were the guy who batted in the winning run for that game

ha yeah i was gonna playfully bust him for that too

― k3vin k., Saturday, May 29, 2010 11:46 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i don't understand

the marlins TV guy tonight said that in his second start ever in the majors in 98, halladay had a no hitter with two out in the ninth and he gave up a homer

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR199809270.shtml

HR: B Higginson (25, off R Halladay; 9th inn, 0 on, 2 outs to Deep LF).

(jordy it was that you said 7-8-9 was coming up - obv in a game in which no batters have reached base these are the only possible batters due up in the 9th)

oh, right

Helms' "strikeout" in the 9th was BALLS in every sense. What a disgrace to the record book.

there were a few really borderline K calls throughout the game

yeah, which is why PGs aren't really that big a deal (I wonder how many more we'll get before the BP oil leak is plugged).

i.e. the first batter of the game xp myself

the marlins TV guy tonight said that in his second start ever in the majors in 98, halladay had a no hitter with two out in the ninth and he gave up a homer

Being in Toronto, I was watching that game on TV. Little did we know...

Seriously though, the number of near-no-hitters and PGs is way up this year, innit? Is it just a contingent statistical anomaly, or are pitchers finally eating their Wheaties or what?

it's mostly an anomaly. 4-homer games are about as rare as perfect games historically, and there were 2 of those in 2002 and another in 2003 and people were like 'oh maybe these aren't gonna be as rare anymore' and there's been none since.

the only empirical explanation i can think of is strikeouts are continuing to go up league-wide which means fewer balls in play and thus fewer chances for bloopy/seeing eye hits to break up dominant pitching performances

would just like to note that tomorrow's rockies/giants game features ubaldo vs timmy l

I enjoyed that :)

(except the last inning where it looked like his ERA would triple and his arm would fall off but but)

Timmy has been off for the last four starts. i thought they were going to get to Ubaldo in the ninth but it didn't happen despite he giving them the chance.

Here's the pitch described by (I think) the SF commentators as "the best pitch ever" - a 99mph 2-seamer, apparently:

http://i45.tinypic.com/ok2w53.jpg

armando gallaraga perfect through 7 2/3

AUSTIN JACKSON

AAARGH

haha he was totally out

JIM JOYCE

What, they missed that call so hard!

Miggy is furious.

wow

Miggy should just cold-cock that fucker.

Can they retroactively fix that?

That was one of the biggest mistakes in the history of umpiring.

Rick Suttcliffe is giving Joyce way too much credit right now.

Surely the commish's office has the authority to overturn that bullshit and award the PG.

...I hope.

how on earth would they do that?

MAJOR CREDIT to Galarraga for not losing his shit.

Galarraga's just happy that he's earned himself another start.

I'm honestly kinda pissed off about this.

bud selig will unveil the time machine hes built from old pieces he saved from milwaukee county stadium xxp

I mean, I know perfect games are kind of a bullshit thing but come on.

This was a very hollow Indians lineup, too.

Three proverbial bags of dicks for Jim Joyce, though.

game time: 1:44

@JoeWestPR Jim Joyce is an embarrassment to baseball. Not because he blew a call but because he extended a game by doing so. That is just bad umpiring.

doesnt any blown call extend a game?

Surely the commish's office has the authority to overturn that bullshit and award the PG.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL in a parallel universe, it is so.

let's play ten

poor guy though

keep yr head up

That call was Jim's worst effort since Finnegan's Wake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi

this is on some jonathong williamsmong real time wikipedia editing:

Origin of the office

The unique title commissioner, which is a title now applied to the heads of several other major sports leagues as well as baseball, derives from its predecessor office, the National Commission. The National Commission was the ruling body of professional baseball starting with the National Agreement of 1903, which made peace between the National League and the American League (see History of baseball in the United States). It consisted of three members: the two League presidents and a Commission chairman, whose primary responsibilities were to preside at meetings and to mediate disputes. Following the Black Sox Scandal, team owners decided in 1920 to reform the National Commission with a membership of non-baseball men. However, their pick for chairman, former federal judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis, would only accept an appointment as sole commissioner. He also demanded unlimited authority over all aspects of organized baseball. The owners agreed, in order to combat the perception of the sport being controlled by gambling interests.

If Bud Selig cares about baseball even slightly, he will overturn that abomination of a call made at the end of the tigers/indians game on June 2 2010 and give Galarraga his perfect game. I dont care what the official rules are on overturning a call after the game is over, and i dont think the rest of baseball fans care either. It just absolutely has to be done. I have never seen a worse call in my life with so much at stake in a baseball game, and i think most people would agree. If it isnt changed i will lose all my respect for Bud Selig.

lol who let bill plaschke near a computer

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4278/hewasout.gif

cabrera signaling deeznuts

this is an atrocity, just seeing this now...wow

i mean, if it's anywhere near close, how is it not an automatic out call?

just heard about this right now, wow. we almost had three perfect games in one year, unbelievable.

That was one of the biggest mistakes in the history of umpiring.

Yoou mean compared to the WS titles awarded to the 1985 Royals and the 1996 Jeffrey M*ier Yankees?

Still, as Joe Sheehan has said of umpires, "Bring on the robots."

if it's anywhere near close, how is it not an automatic out call?

Oh, so we're playing Suck Halladay Off every time there's a chance in the 9th?

Yoou mean compared to the WS titles awarded to the 1985 Royals and the 1996 Jeffrey M*ier Yankees?

One of the != the

Quote of the Day: "Nobody is perfect." --Armando Galarraga

classic, still this sucks for him.

i actually agree with morbs that it's bullshit to start handing pitchers calls when a game is on the line, but the call tonight was fucking horrible, seriously one of the worst calls i've ever seen considering the situation -- jeffery maier was bad, probably worse since it was the play offs, but jim joyce was 1 foot away!! and it didn't even look close on tv

i almost drove off I-40 somewhere in kentucky fielding texts trying to impart on me how bad this call was

on the plus side there will be ton of new sweet ass dave dombrowski lip purse frown .gifs coming out of this

With his hands on his head.

Galarraga threw 19 balls last night.

Kevin Gregg threw 26 balls (in .2 IP) the other night.

man this whole situation just makes me sad--consensus is that joyce is one of the good guys among umpires, he felt horrible, galarraga seemed like the most amazing, well-adjusted dude in the interview i saw. joyce apologized, they hugged it out, i mean there are no winners here except uh sportsmanship?

Had Laird's brother and grandfather been in town, you know they would have been down for whatever.

Joyce is scheduled to be behind the plate this afternoon.

if this had happened to halladay at citizens park the ump would have been short at least two pints of blood before reaching the dugout

http://wxyt.cbslocal.com/2010/06/03/jim-joyce-right-after-he-robbed-armando-galarraga-of-a-perfect-game/

jonmorosi
Just spoke with #JimJoyce. He's still teary-eyed. No need for him to suffer like this. Selig must overturn this. No-brainer. #Tigers #MLB

Change the single to an E-3. *shrug*

its not perfect then though

that wd make no sense.

Overturning would basically be making perfect games more important than WINS, WORLD SERIES, etc. It would open a Pandora's box. Which is why I half-expect Beelzebud to do it.

It's probably the best happy medium. They shouldn't overturn the call.

xpost

man this Joyce dude is a class act tho

By call I mean safe/out, not hit/error.

Neyer:

The only way overruling Joyce works is if there's a rule in the books that can reasonably be applied retroactively. You might not like it, but if Selig announces a rule next Monday afternoon and applies it retroactively to the 2nd of June, he'll at least have the weight of authority on his side.*

* Granted, even this would open up a huge tub of smelly earthworms. Wednesday night, a few hours after Jim Joyce took the stage, the Twins lost in the 10th inning to the Mariners on a play that might well have been overturned with the benefit of video review. And how many more game-changing plays might be reversed, with video review, between now and next Monday afternoon?

But an "interim" decision would set a terrible precedent, because this theoretical "interim" might last weeks or months or years. Does the commissioner really want to be in the position of overruling umpires every time an umpire blows a call that might have changed the result of a game? Or simply changed a player's statistics? (Because that's all that happened Wednesday night in Detroit: a player's statistics were very slightly affected.)

http://wxyt.cbslocal.com/2010/06/03/jim-joyce-right-after-he-robbed-armando-galarraga-of-a-perfect-game/

― Andy K, Thursday, June 3, 2010 11:21 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

this guy sounds like he sweats when he eats

he might be breathing that heavy because he's choked up. that and it sounds like they interviewed him in a diner.

i swear i wrote that before i got to the forks and knives rustling part. that made it even stranger.

Joyce was crying as he walked onto the field -- looked like a wreck. (It's OK -- he only has to call balls and strikes today.) Galarraga, owner of a new Corvette, handed him the lineup. Heard what sounded like mild booing.

Bill Klem woulda kicked an ump's ass for crying

does anyone have rules/documentation of this "best interests of baseball" clause? same one Selig used to defraud the Expos owners during contraction?

it is entirely amorphous

sort of like what constitutes "a swinging strike"

Oden (Motown)

I've a theory--I think the controversy around last night's game will give Galarraga fame beyond that of say Dallas Braden. Many baseball fans can tell you Haddix had the 12 perfect innings, even if he didn't throw one of the twenty perfect games. Fewer could tell you Jim Bunning had one of the twenty. What do you think?

Klaw (1:07 PM)

Love this point. Wish I'd thought of it. 20 pitchers have thrown perfect games - how many can you name? How many from before you were born? I could have named Haddix - or Floyd Bevens, if you want to extend this - but when I tried the perfect games quiz on sporcle I got fewer than half of the ones from before I was born.

mike in MN (mn)

The fascinating thing to me is that people are more upset over a call that didn't effect the outcome of a game, than they are over the calls last post-season, or the call in the Twins' game last night. A perfect game or not, the outcome is what matters most, yet the stink over this is much larger than the stink over calls that effect who wins.

Klaw (1:08 PM)

Also very true. The Walk Like a Sabermetrician blog has an excellent post up on this very subject. "It was a perfect game!" is not a counterargument. More important calls are blown every October, yet there's more hue and cry over this than there was over Eric Gregg's NLCS-altering strike zone.

Fay Vincent on whether Selig should reverse call: "It would be very popular. But I think time and history would show it would be a mistake."

first point is bullshit--wouldn't any pitcher rather have the perfect than be the guy who just missed? who cares "how you're remembered"

second point--it's an extreme situation because it was the last out. it's not really complicated why people are invested in this. "there are more calls blown...." isn't a counterargument either.

My Facebook friends who have recently "liked" Armando Galarraga and A Million Bajillion Strong to Recognize Armando Galarraga's PERFECT Game and otherwise pay no attention to baseball would LOVE IT.

I'm going to start a group called Let's Build a Time Machine and Go Back to the Top of the Ninth Inning of Armando Galarraga's Near-Perfect Game and Make Jim Leyland Pull Renterian Range Guillen, Shift Santiago to 2B, and Place Everett at SS.

Dude got a Corvette. ISSUE OVER.

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20100603&Category=SPORTS02&ArtNo=100603028&Ref=AR&Profile=1321&MaxW=320&MaxH=300&Q=100&mime=jpeg

Went up prior to copyediting, apparently.

Baseball comissioner Bud Selig said he would look at the game's umpiring system and the expanded use of instant replay, but would not reverse the blown call that cost Armando Galarraga of the Detroit Tigers a perfect game on Wednesday night.

"While the human element has always been an integral part of baseball, it is vital that mistakes on the field be addressed," Selig said in a statement. "Given last night's call and other recent events, I will examine our umpiring system, the expanded use of instant replay and all other related features."

Selig said he would consult with baseball's labor unions and the game's special committee for on-field matters before announcing any decisions.

Selig also praised umpire Jim Jouce, whose blown call in the bottom of the ninth cost Galarraga the perfect game, as well as Galarraga and Tigers manager Jim Leyland for the way they handled the situation.

i just realized a decent dallas braden snub would be for girardi to pull in galarraga as a reserve for the all star game.
wouldn't hurt the ratings either.

This has done more to humanize umpires than anything I can remember

A Toledo man who shares his name with a major league umpire received harassing phone calls after the ump made a botched call during a Detroit Tigers game.

Fans who were upset about the call, which prevented a perfect game for Tigers pitcher Armando Galarraga Wednesday night, heard the umpire was from Toledo, so they looked up Jim Joyce in the phone book.

The Jim Joyce they found was the wrong one.

Joyce told WTOL-TV the calls were pretty vulgar. He also says he had to cancel his home phone service to get the calls to stop.

no one should have a home phone these days, anyway

I have no plans for anything but, til I DIE!

POSTS VERY MUCH IN CHARACTER

even my 67 yr old mother has switched over to just a cell!

well, tell her not to call me :)

Hi Cole Hamels

was about to mention. only thu 5 thus far tho.

Hole Camels

"it's official!"

no-no and shutout all gone with one swing of the bat.

C'MON COLE, KEEP MISSIN' THE CORNERS

:(

he's on my fantasy team; you wouldn't understand.

wade leblanc yo

o i understand TOO WELL

ok I lold

http://i44.tinypic.com/dxjnr8.jpg

I'm too young to remember McLain's '68--I started watching baseball in '70--so my frame of reference for a "fast start" by a starting pitcher is Wilbur Wood in '73, Gaylord Perry in '74, and Randy Jones in '76. (The real purpose of that last sentence: the opportunity to say "I'm too young".) I still remember SI's dramatic "Threat to Win 30" Jones cover. Anyway, here's how they all stack up against Jiminez as of June 13:

Wood: 14-6, 2.51
Perry: 11-1, 1.33
Jones: 12-1, 2.10
Jiminez: 12-1, 1.16

I mistakenly had it in my mind that '72 was Perry's great start. A few others while I'm at it:

McLain: 9-2, 2.19
Carlton, '72: 7-6, 2.83 (he proceeds to win 20 the rest of the way!)
Guidry, '78: 10-0, 1.57
Gooden, '85: 9-3, 1.67
Clemens, '86: 11-0, 2.28 (does not lose until July 2)

There are probably a handful of fast starts just as good the past 40 years; I just checked the most famous seasons that came to mind. It's close, but Jiminez has to place first on that list. If you take into account where he's pitching, it's no longer close.

I just realized--McLain proceeds to win 22 the rest of the way.

Through 5 1/2, both pitchers in ChiVsChi (Lilly & Floyd) have no-hitters going

Now through 6 1/2

my, what an intriguing game to turn on in the 7th

yep, this is awesome. Last (only?) game where both pitchers had no-hitters through 9 innings was also in Wrigley Field, in 1917 (Hippo Vaughn of the Cubs vs. Fred Toney of the Reds)

Well, there goes Floyd's no no

any mention of Hippo Vaughn is the evening's highlight

Fred Toney's lurking great-granddaughter is crying a tear right now

thank you, jp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwrL9MV6jSk

yeah - that song went through my head last night too - the look on Ted Lily's face was priceless - I felt so bad for him - Fuckin' Rain

edwin jackson, it is not a good sign when youve given up no hits and and still have a > 1 whip

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/shareit/ESrS

welp, he'll have the highest pitch count of anyone on that list if he gets it

that's a lot of pitches

xp

I'd say it's irresponsible to let him pitch the 9th w/ a 1-0 lead, but then I remembered AZ's bullpen ERA

yeah you cant bring aaron heilman in and think ur upgrading

Laboring

Bartlett is going to hit a home run.

who's the Dback analyst dickhead?

tampa is sure good at gettin no-hit

dtrain was out there fast

ewwwwww

150 pitches

Analyst is normally Mark Grace, but not tonight.

sorry, 149

announcer thrilled to tell us this is the first big league no-hitter thrown in the state of florida