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Things I have used in the master channel for fun:
Apple's free Multi-Band Compressor
I keep forgetting to try the Flanger or Phaser with Auto Pan for bridge fill and fade-out fun

El Tomboto, Friday, 1 February 2008 21:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Beat repeater!
At one point, I managed to get Reaktor's Grain fx to work--but after Leopard, nada.

Jubalique die Zitronen, Friday, 1 February 2008 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link

oh yeah I do have one loop that uses beat repeat on the master channel I think, I forgot about that

El Tomboto, Friday, 1 February 2008 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...


TOMBOT, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 06:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I've been simulating side-channel comp by running multiple instrument channels into a send and running compressor II in the send; I know there are plugins which can let you run real SC compression but whatever, I just want to put reverb on some drums and delay on others and have them fight with each other for headroom.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Whack a hard limiter (harder than you think is in anyway sensible) on them, render, re-import. Keep original stuff too.

Use this

Lynskey, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Sweet. I was just joking with a friend about doing a Phil Collins tribute album, too.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link

why do I want to render and re-import, though?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link

mmm ssl listen mic plug

electricsound, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link

You want to get a faux sidechain result by combining the flattened limiter submix with the original. Instead of having a buss with the sidechained mix you've got a new audio channel with it. Same diff.

Heh - The first thing I think of with SSL is Tory Scum Phil and his wierd self-invented music notation. It's still a tremendous plugin though. One other thing you could try is getting an oldish compressor plugin that's really crap and maxing it out. I use an old TC Works one from about 5 years ago that's really good at this sort of thing.

Lynskey, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 23:37 (fifteen years ago) link

oh and where do people get raw material usually? I want more durmz, cheapskate style

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 23:45 (fifteen years ago) link

learn to play drumz

Jordan, Thursday, 21 February 2008 06:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Find names of popular sample CDs, hit up the torrentz

Jarlrmai, Thursday, 21 February 2008 11:42 (fifteen years ago) link

There's seedy private music torrent sites, but they're the type that demands you upload impossible amounts so aren't really viable unless you've got a constant upload and no fear of the Feds. Plus they're illegal, kids.

The best way to get really good bass drums is to use 2 or even 3 bass drum samples together. Get one thats deep and short and characterless to give you the hit and then something lighter to give the actual tone of it. It helps to clip the envelope of the deep one and turn it into the sharpest thud you can.

Same thing applies to snares, I usually use 1 deep one, 1 snarey one and then 1 sharp one (sometimes a clap).

Lynskey, Thursday, 21 February 2008 12:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I've been cannabalizing the garageband loops. the sample chopper feature in 7 looks like something I would find endless uses for

El Tomboto, Friday, 22 February 2008 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

lol I forgot to upgrade to 7, not that I hardly touched 6 in the past year anyway

leaving a set open in the background with the vinyl distortion effect on makes a nice noise

TOMBOT, Friday, 12 December 2008 05:15 (fourteen years ago) link

anybody else have 7 with analog and tension and electric etc.? what's worth it/what's lame? I have seriously had no use for sampler btw that thing is totally a gateway drug for them to sell you those retarded instrument packs

TOMBOT, Friday, 12 December 2008 05:20 (fourteen years ago) link

come on guys

El Tomboto, Friday, 12 December 2008 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm still trying to learn how to use Live 6 thing as sequencer and finding I just don't quite have the patience I used to have for this stuff. I've had it for a year and other than using it to effect a track, I haven't used it for much, but since I am off till Monday I figured I would give it another go over the next few days.

Quick in midi pattern over dub do you get it to just edit that particular midi clip without starting a new one when it loops around? That is really screwing me up and I cannot figure how to turn it off. I'm used to working on a hardware sequencer where I can loop up a section and just keep adding and subtracting until I get it right and that new clip thing is screwing me up.

Conversely, how can you play say a VST synth in live and not record it as midi and route it back into an audio track? I've been flipping around and cannot quite figure it down. I can slave up a VST synth to my MPC for midi, but I cannot figure how to route the audio to an open audio track within Live 6.

earlnash, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Add an additional auxiliary track and have the audio output to your midi routed to that? you're always going to have to have it recorded as midi in the sequencer until you render the audio to disk as its own sample.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 04:02 (fourteen years ago) link

audio output from your midi, I should say.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 04:03 (fourteen years ago) link

as for your overdub question I'm pretty sure I've never figured that out either, and yeah, I miss that from my hardware sequencing days sometimes.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 04:03 (fourteen years ago) link

haha no actually I just tried it and it works fine for me. it even let me switch OVR on and off while recording and preserved the earlier versions of the loop (dragged the start point backwards and poof there it was)

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link

and audio output from a midi channel can be routed wherever you like, not just to master or aux channels. still going to record as midi notes in the synth's channel though.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link

btw putting a s+h lfo in charge of (at least) the filter in operator and running it through a reverse gate + hard saturator is the number one ranking random bleep

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 04:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I can probably learn to live with the weird midi over dub thing. Odd thing is that it seems a bit easier to do that punching in audio than midi. I worked with it a few hours tonight and somewhat got grooving with it.

How different are the mixing controls in the new version? I kind of wish that the mixing controls had a bit more throw, so that you could fine tune them in a bit more. I guess they figure many users will want to push it out to a regular audio editor for finishing and they want to keep it nice clean and German looking.

I like mixing audio on a PC as you get WAY more head room than on the onboard mixing board on my recorders, but I have not gotten to the point where I like tracking to one. I've got a Tascam hard disc record that I have had for a few years and I had an Akai before that one (RIP). I've got quite a few sequences worked up on the MPC, so I am going to work on slaving it up to the PC. Sometimes that stuff is a breeze, sometimes it is a pain in the ass. I figure that I will have to get Ableton to be the master and the MPC slaved up. I'm hoping I can get them to synch pretty tight, as it would be pretty dope to be able to then sequence loops in Ableton on top of some full drum sequences.

earlnash, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 08:12 (fourteen years ago) link

If you have loops or sequences on the MPC that you want to throw into ableton I'd just record it as audio and fuck around with the rest in the software. No point in worrying about syncing with ableton unless you're determined to use the MPC on stage in tandem with a laptop (imho)

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 08:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm starting to get over the hump working with Ableton. I think the hardest thing on using sequencers is getting to the point where you can forget about the science and just play the thing. Cool thing is that I am actually starting to be able to do some of the stuff with this software that I wanted to be able to do with Acid like way back in version 1 or 2 ten years ago. I really dig being able to just copy and paste sections around at will and not have the thing bog down like a hog in heat.

I still haven't gotten around to trying to synch up my complete midi tracks yet. I just don't want to get into cutting up a bunch of loops, at least not yet. I've got probably a good dozen full drum sequences rock band songs I want to get recorded out, as I spent quite a bit of time putting them together. After I get those recorded into Live on the laptop, I might start working on trying to use the MPC as a loop box.

My goal for this next year is to actually finish something, put up a website and start posting some music. I've got tracks and tracks of raw demos on three different computers from the past few years. I've mostly working more on learning to play guitar over the past few years.

What is funny is that I was doing a google search on a band name I used for some electronic music ten years ago and found the old CD I had finished and posted on the old in some guys web network shared folder. Who had it and where they were at...I have no idea, but I thought it was pretty hilarious.

earlnash, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 06:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, one thing I found is that some of the 'synth' effects in the rack on Ableton sound really killer on lead guitar. I liked them better than some of the stuff in the 'guitar' effects rack.

earlnash, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 06:02 (fourteen years ago) link

one of the unheralded awesomenesses of live is the fx stacking and racking capabilities - just with the basic version you get pretty much every studio effect other than a vocoder, and it allows you to throw them into a chain any way you choose, to frequently incredible results. I love being able to line up two or three fx in a single channel then route that channel's output into an aux channel with its own chain of fx, which is then mixed into a set of fx on the master output. POSSIBIBIBILITIES

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 07:07 (fourteen years ago) link

too many possibilities is one reason i'm scared of live

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link

the first thing I did was blow away most of the fx presets and start rolling my own so I had presets I could live with for various things, especially particular effects chains. I generally set the rules for myself right when I start working - I've had the too many possibilities/where to begin problem with other audio software suites and production tools but not Live.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

has anyone used Ableton Live Intro and know whether it's worth 99 bucks? from the review on Turntable Lab it seems like it is worth it, the stuff that gets left out compared to the full version seems pretty pr0 and I don't think I would miss it as a new user. (I've never tried any kind of Ableton but the lower price makes me intrigued. For DJing I got Traktor Pro a couple months ago and like it.)

dmr, Thursday, 16 June 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

the lighter version of Traktor leaves out something I found totally necessary (ability to record a mix onto the same computer that you're mixing on) so that's why I wanted to check to see if Intro is missing some essential function ...

dmr, Thursday, 16 June 2011 00:40 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

i got live 8 a few days ago but haven't done much with it yet besides fiddle around with drum sounds and arpeggiators. any general tips and tricks for getting started?

emo mcgee vs ricky hitler (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 11:25 (eleven years ago) link

fiddle round with arpeggiators some more

detune two oscillators...than what (electricsound), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 11:27 (eleven years ago) link

sounds good, it is pretty satisfying.

emo mcgee vs ricky hitler (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 11:34 (eleven years ago) link

slice loop to MIDI.

then arpegiate the slices.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Thursday, 23 August 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link

i did that with a stretch from a rainbow and curved air and it turned it into happy hardcore.

tubular, mondo, gnabry (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 30 August 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

any1 got live 9, how is it

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 11 April 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link

convert drums to midi

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 11 April 2013 16:54 (ten years ago) link

four years pass...
two months pass...

February the 6th! I was expecting it to be later than that.

Doesn't look like a massive change from 9 but i'm not sure one was needed.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 12:14 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

am0n, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link

10 has more airhorns

am0n, Friday, 9 February 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link


Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 9 February 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link

It's got CPU issues making it unusable compared to 9 on my aging system (stolen, but I doubt they inserted cpu-related problems as an anti-piracy measure)

Dan I., Monday, 12 February 2018 01:18 (five years ago) link

I get crackling with basically nothing playing (e.g. 4/4 kick samples), and they don't go away until buffer size is bumped up high enough that you can't even really use the thing.

Dan I., Monday, 12 February 2018 01:22 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

no really, what's the best controller if what I basically want is the interface from the Yamaha RS-7000

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link

I'm lazy and shitty at searching

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link

I don't really know because I'm an inveterate mouse user, but maybe one of those Arturia Beatsteps?


change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link

I think I prefer the look of this

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link

eleven months pass...

I'm planning to upgrade from my cheap laptop to a proper desktop PC to make Ableton a bit easier to use but there seems to be a load of people online saying that their 8/16GB, 3.8ghz, hexacore, I7, etc, machines still struggle massively with polyphony in Operator. How much of an issue is CPU load with a relatively decent PC spec now?

ShariVari, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link

nothing helpful to add but that is discouraging

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link

back to fruity loops

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

old news but news to me! experiments begin tomorrow

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link

so for the track I hope to make for the ILX quarantine comp I'm running Live 10 Suite on my dinky MacBook Air I bought for school just about two years ago and with only 4 MIDI channels + barely any FX it's already pushing 25% CPU load. This is going to get sporty I think

El Tomboto, Saturday, 21 March 2020 01:30 (three years ago) link

Freeze tracks whenever possible

Dan I., Monday, 23 March 2020 01:38 (three years ago) link

What are you using the midi channels for? what vst do you have loaded, or...

Tib, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 10:04 (three years ago) link

are you working completely in the box? or do you have gear attached?

Tib, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 10:53 (three years ago) link

Completely in the box

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 11:45 (three years ago) link

I’m using the same Mac mini that I’ve been using since 2009 running logic pro seven. I did get a new midi controller though.

majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Thursday, 26 March 2020 12:20 (three years ago) link

for as long as I’ve been doing this I’ve become pretty decent at mixing inside the box except when it comes to vocals. I think because I just barely ever do it but I’ve never really mastered it or even come close.

majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Thursday, 26 March 2020 12:21 (three years ago) link

How many goddam tracks does anyone need anyway?
(caveat I have no idea what Tombot's music is like, maybe you need 10 tracks just for the drums)

Tib, Monday, 30 March 2020 07:08 (three years ago) link

choose vst's or patches carefully (some of those wavetable patches are heavy on my cpu) , draw automation instead of twiddling the knob (or at least redraw the curves to mirror the twiddling to get rid of a lot of whatever those little points on the curve are called), freeze as Dan said.

or just "Free-form plague poetry over a VCS3 freakout" as per suggestion in ilm thread.

Tib, Monday, 30 March 2020 07:15 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

Live 11 is coming in Q1 2021.

The additions look useful but not enormously transformative. Better CPU performance would be good though.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 16:53 (two years ago) link

Comping is very welcome, have been waiting for that for years. Spectral fx looks fun but nothing I haven't got elsewhere. Probability means I will probably never use Renoise again as thats pretty much the main reason I occasionally use it. The macro stuff looks awesome, especially no longer having to piss around with ClyphX scripts and commands.

All in all, looking forward to complaining for a few months then not being able to resist dropping £150 on an upgrade of Suite (again)

(the one with 3 L's) (Willl), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 17:22 (two years ago) link

I’d love lower latency from the software instruments.

DJI, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:26 (two years ago) link

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