suncream, zits and wrinkles: rolling skincare thread?

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just got an email from sephora that they're offering a free "premium sample" of shiseido SPF 55 fancypants cream with any online purchase, if you enter "shiseido" at checkout. just wanted to post this as lauren seemed to enjoy her sample of this stuff, so might be worth ordering something to get big sample?

colette, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 03:28 (eleven years ago) link

if you can get to a store, i think you can get a sample w/out buying anything?

tehresa, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 03:40 (eleven years ago) link

Is this thread for facial scrub/cleanser/moisturiser? I have some awes knowledge that I want to impart.

Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 06:50 (eleven years ago) link

go on then

electricsound, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 06:52 (eleven years ago) link

colette, as tehresa said you can get a pretty generous sample at the store without buying anything. the big drawback is that it's not in a hygienic little tube.

i do like it, and i'm going to keep using it at the beach or whenever i'm going to be out in the sun for an extended period of time and see what happens. if my skin doesn't go crazy, i'll probably buy it.

lauren, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:31 (eleven years ago) link

i tried to by the avene eulage cream last night but the woman talked me down to the milder ystheal (i have no idea why duane reade employs a skin care specialist, but they do). i am kinda hoping retinoids will change my life as some people have really great experiences with them (gets rid of blackheads AND wrinkles!! at the same time!) but i guess i'll see.

bell_labs, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:48 (eleven years ago) link

but the woman talked me down to the milder ystheal (i have no idea why duane reade employs a skin care specialist, but they do).

cracks me up

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:49 (eleven years ago) link

i also have no idea why i listened to her? probably because she was wearing a lab coat?

bell_labs, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:52 (eleven years ago) link

haha yes

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:53 (eleven years ago) link

is this a logical train of thought?:

if you have fine lines and you get restaline or juvederm or some kind of filler to push them out would it make sense that those lines wont get much deeper (well not as fast as the natural progression) because your face doesnt crinkle in that spot in the same way when you laugh, smile, frown etc?

sunny successor, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:49 (eleven years ago) link

"restylane", i guess

sunny successor, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:51 (eleven years ago) link

i think that makes sense but the idea of fillers still scares me

bell_labs, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:55 (eleven years ago) link

regular botox treatment is claimed by some to prevent further wrinkling for the reason that you mention. i think fillers are more for areas that don't move as much, but i'm not sure...?

lauren, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:01 (eleven years ago) link

hm. i wonder if there is anything i can do to prevent wrinkles if i go to gradschool next year. i will be working full time and going to school full-time and i expect that i will never sleep. i will probably look like i'm 40 after a year of this.

bell_labs, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:10 (eleven years ago) link

Every day I express gratitude for the existence of sunscreen. I get a gradient darker just standing outside without it, and within a month I become Oompa-Loompa color.

Abbott, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:35 (eleven years ago) link

ladies & gent, what do you think of 'olay regenerist uv defense regenerating lotion spf 15'

i wanted a sunscreen + moisturizer & stole that from my mom but my bottle is long empty

the only other one ive tried is cetaphil spf 15 & i thought the olay one felt much more soothing ( i have v dry skin)

my followup question is, does spf 15 actually do anything anyway?

deeznuts, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:43 (eleven years ago) link

in the amount that you get from an application of moisturizer, probably not.

lauren, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

so what is a good sunscreen to put on the face then? and should it go on before or after moisturizer?

deeznuts, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:48 (eleven years ago) link

i apply it after. neutrogena's for the face are good. you don't nec. need a super high spf, but you need to apply enough - about a teaspoon , i've heard - and reapply if you're going to be in the sun for a while.

lauren, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

I have the Oil of Olay 'daily defense' 30 spf moisturizer, and it does me right.

Abbott, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:59 (eleven years ago) link

i'm liking the olay "time delay" day and night creams, they have BHAs and seem to be moisturizing without breaking me out. it's SPF 15 which i figure is enough if i'm inside all day, but i just put the neutrogena dry touch stuff on today when i was cycling in, and i'm actually surprised at how un shiny i am.

i think maybe if you're a very shiny person (i am in the summer) one of the dry sunblocks on its own might be the ticket, when i put it on over moisturizer i'm pretty greasy quickly. obviously YMMV.

colette, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:00 (eleven years ago) link

that sounds perfect abbott! i thought they were all spf 15s. its not v expensive at all either.

what a great board!

deeznuts, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

the dry touch is pretty nice. it definitely has a matifying effect.

i'm on the fence about whether to buy the dr. brandt pores no more stuff. i like the sample that i got, but it's so expensive i don't know if i can justify it. it does really seem to minimize the pores. is there anything cheaper that works in the same way?

bell_labs, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:05 (eleven years ago) link

linds, was totally thinking abt all the pore questions of old thread and okay okay here's my discovery (via my mom, who has been visiting since friday):

i know i mention aveda often but i'm pretty discriminating abt their products, as a lot are too much for me anyway, BUT holy whoa, they have these salicylic acid toner pads that are as shockingly expensive as they are shockingly effective. i started using them friday and they caused an initial and very slight uh swelling of major pore areas (plus it was really hot & humid out) but now my skin is so calm and pores so clean & diminished and happy! it is kind of crazy.

the thing is that i can't use other salicylic acid things b/c they're lotions or whatever and just too heavy, but these aren't causing problems! i will check back in a week re: these but so far i am amazed. and yknow my skin will break out at anything. i haven't put any other medication or zit treatment or anything on my face either while using these. so yeah, neat.

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:25 (eleven years ago) link

On Saturday I wore the neutrogena spf 70 and neutrogena glow sheer spf 30, which is probaby overkill.

Oh, and a hat.

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

spf 70!!!!!!! damn

deeznuts, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

my seemingly bottomless pot of avon eye cream finally ran out. replaced it with boscia's enlivening amino eye treatment - yay! i've been wanting this stuff for a while.

lauren, Friday, 4 July 2008 20:47 (eleven years ago) link

I also bought spf 70 yesterday, prompted by my dermatologist.

bell_labs, Friday, 4 July 2008 21:56 (eleven years ago) link

yes so the neutrogena dry touch 55 is apparently completely useless against tropical sun and i became horribly burnt on my first full day in maui. after that, purchased coppertone spray 70 which was weird, and then found that the coppertone sport 50 actually works really well. however, i am peeling like crazy, and the skin right above my breasts and next to my pits is so incredibly burned it's scary looking. those two corners burned way more than anywhere else. the pain has gone away, but what is a good cream/treatment to reduce scarring/mottling?

tehresa, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 01:53 (eleven years ago) link

oddly, though, the ny sun feels like nothing to me now! i will still wear lots of sunscreen, though!

tehresa, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 01:54 (eleven years ago) link

Is this thread for facial scrub/cleanser/moisturiser? I have some awes knowledge that I want to impart.

-- Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:50 (Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:50)

Such a tease... Tell all plz.

I'm looking for a moisturiser for the face that's good on mixed skin i.e. greasy in places, dry in others. It also has to let the skin breathe and if possible soothe after a shave.

For years I've been using straightforward aqueous cream but I'm not so sure it's good for my skin having tried something else this past while.

hyggeligt, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 10:58 (eleven years ago) link

T -- any of the soothing herbal combinations: aloe, comfrey, chamomile, calendula. Or Vitamin E. Keeping the skin/wound moist is the best way to reduce scarring, the vit E or aloe will do that.

Laurel, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:12 (eleven years ago) link

when i was in hawaii i got an awful 3rd degree burn (from hot oil, not the sun) but there were tons of aloe plants everywhere and so i just put that on it constantly. i have no scar from it (which is amazing, it was a huge burn).

bell_labs, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 14:01 (eleven years ago) link

guys i just made my first sephora order. now i know what youre all talking about with the samples you get. excited!

sunny successor, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

also found out there is a sephora right here in little rock. who knew?

sunny successor, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

I get little bumpy spots on my forehead, you can't really see them, but they still piss me off. I have very short hair, don't use gel, wash hair with Vosene and face with witch doctor face scrub every day... but they don't go away!

What to do?

Bodrick III, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 22:04 (eleven years ago) link

it may be from heat/sweating? try to stay dry. or you may be over-cleansing/scrubbing.

tehresa, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 00:13 (eleven years ago) link

sunny i didn't know you were in little rock! one of my good friends lives down there

Surmounter, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 00:14 (eleven years ago) link

So hydroquinone is supposed to be evil and carcinogenic right? I am trying to fade a couple discolored spots on my legs (leftover from ingrown hairs) and I'm wondering if this is a bad idea...

bell_labs, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 00:50 (eleven years ago) link

it may be from heat/sweating? try to stay dry. or you may be over-cleansing/scrubbing.

If you're using all that stuff regularly then yes, I think that could be your problem. I would avoid using anything abrasive on them.

hyggeligt, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 10:01 (eleven years ago) link

No no all he said was he uses a certain shampoo and a witch hazel toner, that's not much at all -- in fact, only one facial product!

Bodrick, impossible to say, really, but start trying things. Is your pillowcase clean? Do you touch your face during the day? Drink a few glasses of water a day? Maybe try giving up caffeine for two weeks and see if that makes a difference, etc etc etc. Think of it as an exciting experiment.

Laurel, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 13:16 (eleven years ago) link

Or stop the witch hazel and try an exfoliant like the St Ives apricot scrub -- it's not fancy and some people don't like it, but it's not a bad start. (I don't want to give anyone sticker shock by recommending a $30 tub of something.)

Laurel, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 13:18 (eleven years ago) link

A little bit of baking soda mixed with soap/cleanser does a nice job of gently exfoliating. That apricot stuff has really large granules and I heard that's not so good for skin, being so abrasive. Also bs is so cheap it's almost free.

iirc, Colette taught me this trick!

La Lechera, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 13:26 (eleven years ago) link

Is your friend as sweet as you, Surm?

sunny successor, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:06 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I love the St Ives for my face, but then I use corn meal on my body and that's even scratchier (I love scratchy). I think Julia told me about the baking soda! It's a Chicago thing, apparently. But the baking soda is too fine for me and I never feel smooth after using.

Laurel, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:26 (eleven years ago) link

Ouch!

lauren, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:32 (eleven years ago) link

No no all he said was he uses a certain shampoo and a witch hazel toner, that's not much at all -- in fact, only one facial product!

Ah, I didn't really read it and thought Vosene was some kind of American cleanser that sounded very chemical!

St Ives apricot scrub -- it's not fancy and some people don't like it

Why not? (ah I see that this has been answered) I think I can get that here and if it's good for blackheads?

Actually what is good for blackheads and sensitive skin?

A little bit of baking soda mixed with soap/cleanser does a nice job of gently exfoliating.

Wouldn't it burn the face off you? Ah, I see not.

I am like Laurel, I prefer something that has a bit of 'bite' but sadly that wreaks havoc on my skin. There was a very good exfoliator a while ago that I stole from someone, I wonder if I can still find it and buy more.

hyggeligt, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:57 (eleven years ago) link

I with Laurel on this too. I like feel like im taking a few layers of skin off.

sunny successor, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:59 (eleven years ago) link

has anyone ever had a lactic peel? there is some spa offering them for $50 for the month of july which is half of what it usually costs, but i'm afraid my skin is too sensitive. it's supposed to be less intense than a glycolic peel though.

bell_labs, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 15:00 (eleven years ago) link

listen dudes, i like the scratchy and i like the feeling of taking off dead layers of skin, but liking it doesn't make it good for my skin. i only use baking soda on the face because it's sensitive. on the rest of me i would happily use a sandblaster, but i settle for some crappy scrubbing thing i got at marshalls.

let me add that i enjoy exfoliating so much that i bought the god-forsaken ped-egg, and it wasn't tuff enough for me! in fact, it sucked and didn't take off but the top layer of dead foot skin. not recommended!

La Lechera, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 15:18 (eleven years ago) link

I'm thinking with my results from the peroxide set that my skin doesn't need DRYING, per se, but it does need sterilization ALL THE TIME. It's just so prone to infection and dead-cell/oil build-up, it has to be germ- and sweat-free as much as I can manage. The scratchier exfoliators take off the right amt of skin for me, I think. Not for everyone, though, for sure.

Laurel, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 15:23 (eleven years ago) link

this afternoon, i got the aveda pads that rrrobyn (fellow sensitive-skin sufferer) mentioned upthread. the combination of sunscreen/chlorine/saltwater/sun has really done a number on my complexion, so i'm hoping these will help sort things out. definitely pricey, but the saleswoman recommended tearing them in half and then using a cotton ball to soak up leftover product once the pads are gone.

lauren, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, i cut them in half. discovered also that i can only use them like twice a week because they were causing sensitivities blargh. but they still work.

i need to do some kind of experiment where i go live in a dry climate for a few months or damn even a few weeks and see what happens to my skin. i wonder if it wld be good? i have never lived or even visited anywhere that didn't have some kind of humidity and/or regular precipitation!

rrrobyn, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

i figured i'd try using them 2-3 times a week... really hope they don't end aggravating the problem.

lauren, Monday, 14 July 2008 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

Style, what do i buy for my face? I am generally neither greasy nor dry, but I do work out a lot so I am frequently sweaty.

I want to keep from getting wrinkles, and have never applied cream or lotion except for in the incident of sunburn.

What should my regimen be? (I am poor, btw.)

remy bean, Friday, 18 July 2008 14:20 (eleven years ago) link

Gentle cleanser, antioxidant (Vit. C or copper peptide serum), sunscreen, sunglasses, hat, Rx retinol (retin A, tazorac, etc.).

But mostly sunscreen. A#1 ultimate most important thing!

quincie, Friday, 18 July 2008 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

why am i breaking out on my forehead? just tiny little bumps. this never, ever happens. i am concerned.

tehresa, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 12:49 (eleven years ago) link

My skin got really bad lately and I realized I had forgotten to change towels, sheets, as often as usual because of not being at home all the time now. So when I start getting little bumps and annoying redness it's usu b/c of linens and things that touch my skin.

Laurel, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 13:11 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that can make a big difference - did i already talk about how you can add 1/2 tsp of bleach, heavily diluted in a small container of water (like a small plastic container from yogurt or whatever) and add that to the soap while the washing machine is beginning to fill up, then add clothes - doesn't affect coloured fabrics and kills bacteria/mildew/etc - esp good for washing towels and sheets.

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 14:52 (eleven years ago) link

my skin is ok these days tho still not perfect or anything and still really sensitive. i find i can only use the aveda salicylic acid pads once every two weeks, and i should probably not wear make-up but i mean damn i work in an office and also like to look somewhat polished despite my hippie leanings. using the weleda salt toothpaste has made a noticable difference in breakouts around mouth though!

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 14:59 (eleven years ago) link

rrob, those aveda outer peace pads have really worked well for me. i've cut them in half and use a half every day or every other day, and so far no irritation or dryness or anything of that nature. these plus my sulfur cleanser have been keeping my skin in pretty great shape despite the heat and humidity.

lauren, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 14:59 (eleven years ago) link

i'm currently debating whether i should buy a tinted moisturizer or a primer to help even out my skin tone...i don't want to wear foundation every day, but i need something to help smooth over my pores and give me a more even look. any suggestions?

bell_labs, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 15:00 (eleven years ago) link

Re bleach: Hah, for years I only bought all-white sheets and towels and Tshirts for sleeping in, expressly for the purpose of bleaching them at every wash. I stopped somewhere along the way b/c of the lure of polka-dotted bed-set but I do wash all household linens in hot water.

Laurel, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 15:16 (eleven years ago) link

i'm glad to hear it, lauren!

i would like aveda to make their super-sensitive skin moisturizer with a slight tint, that wld be nice

a friend gave me some of her nuxe (french, expensive) mattifying moisturizer to try and even tho it is all 'botanicals, high-quality, blah blah blah' my skin went a bit pink and i got a couple (minor) pimples by the end of the day eeesh botanicals whatever

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

bell i have been using laura mercier tinted moisturizer and i really like it. not too heavy, and seems to maintain a nice look all day w/out looking too makeup-y.

tehresa, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 17:08 (eleven years ago) link

also they have good shades for fair skin.

tehresa, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 17:08 (eleven years ago) link

laura mercier website just made me feel highly under-makeuped

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 17:27 (eleven years ago) link

I've been really frustrated all summer with breakouts under the corners of my jaw and in my cleavage.

THEN I read somewhere that I might be allergic to perfume.

Mystery solved.

Last time I tried natural scented oils I broke out as well. Any suggestions?

felicity, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 17:54 (eleven years ago) link

Put the scent somewhere else, I'm sorry to say. I can't wear it on my head or ears or neck or chest either. Wrists are okay usually, back of knees, armpits seem all right. That's it for me.

Laurel, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 17:58 (eleven years ago) link

For tinted moisturizer usually I just mix a little foundation (usually only for special occasions) with my regular moisturizer = not having to purchase another product + color is right.

La Lechera, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 18:01 (eleven years ago) link

hmmm. glad that perfume issue does not happen to me. i am feeling rly greasy this summer, though. i keep forgetting to blot during the day and then at 5:30 i'm a mess!

tehresa, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 18:01 (eleven years ago) link

Good idea, Laurel. Thanks. I put it in my hair sometimes, too.

felicity, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 18:42 (eleven years ago) link

Sorry my suggestions are so limited. I don't like putting perfume in my hair but I should try dabbing a finger of scented oil into my part or somewhere on my scalp. It would make hair greasy in large quantities but maybe a little dab underneath....

Laurel, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

Not a tinted moisturized, but I like MAC's studio fix as an alternative to foundation (to which I too am averse). It goes on powder-ish and but gives coverage somewhere between a powder and a liquid/creme foundation.

Most of all I like that I can wear it just on my cheeks--which need help in the evening-out department--but can skip it everywhere else. It matches my skin tone well enough, and is sheer enough, that it doesn't leave a line of demarcation.

quincie, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

I was really bored on my lunch break and bought a bunch of stuff from Origins. It was all much better than expected and I like the smells when you use a bunch together. There is some sort of microdermabrasionawesometimesupercub scrub that I am in love with. And I bought a bunch of mushroom dr. weil stuff because i read his book when i was like 15.

Yerac, Thursday, 14 August 2008 00:36 (eleven years ago) link

oh and I bought some loose powder which I like, because I don;t think I have had powder in about 8 years.

Yerac, Thursday, 14 August 2008 00:37 (eleven years ago) link

i got this mattifying tea tree oil moisturizer @ body shop yesterday. it really does feel mattifying! will see how long it lasts... i've been feeling so greasy this summer so i hope this helps cut that.

tehresa, Thursday, 14 August 2008 12:42 (eleven years ago) link

you're welcome

gabbneb, Thursday, 14 August 2008 16:59 (eleven years ago) link

does not work for the sensitive skinned, have tried

rrrobyn, Thursday, 14 August 2008 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

tea tree? i just felt like i needed to strip off summer gunk.

tehresa, Thursday, 14 August 2008 17:17 (eleven years ago) link

(my breakouts are rosacea style bumps, not uh 'traditional acne')
i think tea tree does work as an anti-bacterial! but obv again it depends on yr own personal sensitivities to stuff

rrrobyn, Thursday, 14 August 2008 17:18 (eleven years ago) link

i don't really have "acne" either. i think it's just a little bit of congestion in the pores or maybe from summer sweat? it also may just be that it was my off-week for the birth control.

tehresa, Thursday, 14 August 2008 17:20 (eleven years ago) link

omg tehresa I LOVE that body shop moisturizer! It treats pores right, too.

Gonna see how much those Aveda pads cost if my sis-in-law gets them at cost...if under $20, I'm in. Salicylic acid normally turns my face into a cracked & reddened wasteland, tho, so I'm kind of afraid of it. I mean, wart remover is salycilic acid, just in a higher concentration!

Trying zinc pills for the acne...too many confounding factors to see if IT really works, but may as well give it a try. Sometimes I wish I had a second me as a control group.

Abbott, Thursday, 14 August 2008 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

When I stayed at her house, she had some really thin nylon scrubby cloth that was the BEST face exfoliator. I can't find it at any of the stores here (basically K-Mart, Target, drug stores & the like). Does anyone know what I am talking about & where I could find one?

Abbott, Thursday, 14 August 2008 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

New St. Ive's olive face wash is shit, btw.

Abbott, Thursday, 14 August 2008 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

oh zinc supplements totally work/help!

rrrobyn, Thursday, 14 August 2008 20:15 (eleven years ago) link

my link tells you to stay away from salicylic acid

gabbneb, Thursday, 14 August 2008 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

i feel the winter skin in full effect. it is dull and occasionally flaky, but also i feel like i'm getting greasy by the end of the day! asldgjk. using same products as last winter, to different results. ugh. i hate trying to find new ones.

very quotatious (tehresa), Friday, 12 December 2008 16:42 (ten years ago) link

i got this mattifying tea tree oil moisturizer @ body shop yesterday. it really does feel mattifying! will see how long it lasts... i've been feeling so greasy this summer so i hope this helps cut that.

that stuff's great. i heartily recommend it, in combo with differin, too.

schlump, Friday, 12 December 2008 17:20 (ten years ago) link

it feels too drying to me in winter!

very quotatious (tehresa), Friday, 12 December 2008 17:33 (ten years ago) link

guys, someone fix my skin. i have been breaking out like crazy.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:58 (ten years ago) link

stop eating sugar*

*is my dermotologically unsound but empirically proven skin cure. no refined sugar, and steering clear of stuff that's high in naturally occurring sugars. try it for a couple of weeks and see if you get better x.

schlump, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 00:40 (ten years ago) link

how is it breaking out? is it like the dull winter blues your skin is freaking out?

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 01:20 (ten years ago) link

maybe that's what it is? though tbh my skin doesn't seem dry or suffering from winter in any other ways. seriously, it just feels like i'm 13 again or something (it's not really that bad, i guess.)

man i have never tried to give up sugar! what would i eat?

horseshoe, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 20:06 (ten years ago) link

i replace 1/3 of my coffee's sugar w/ splenda (bitter) and 1/3 with xylitol (poopy) [as low carb regimen]

there's some supplement on the market that supposedly blocks sugar from getting to skin. sadly can't remember what it is now.

other things to do.

heavy exfoliation
glycolic acid
retinol
daily sunblock (obv)
save green tea bags, douse your face w/ them in shower
daily flax meal in diet (omega-3s)
add cinnamon to sugary sweet junk (hot chocolate). it may slow production of insulin (and is antioxidant)

antioxidant food and high protein is something i focus on daily (mustard, tumeric, red wine, cinnamon, lycopene, etc every day)

i am vain as all get out

Let a Man Come In and Do the Popcorn (PappaWheelie V), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 20:39 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

i just went to a korean sauna and had all my dead skin scrubbed off by an old woman
it was amazing

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Monday, 16 February 2009 23:35 (ten years ago) link

pappawheelie, i want to know more about this green tea treatment. i've only just started drinking the stuff and i've got bags to spare.

just1n3, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:27 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

i just worry that if i use too much salicylic/benzoyl than it will age my skin faster :/

Surmounter, Monday, 16 March 2009 18:16 (ten years ago) link

yeah i had a mini breakout last week and used a light salicylic treatment and noticed that i got REALLY dry and it scared me a lot and made me feel old.

tehresa, Monday, 16 March 2009 18:25 (ten years ago) link

If it does, I'm in trouble. I consider my skin an endlessly renewable resource. Isn't that what the subdermal layer is for?

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Monday, 16 March 2009 18:28 (ten years ago) link

If it does, I'm in trouble. I consider my skin an endlessly renewable resource. Isn't that what the subdermal layer if for?

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Monday, 16 March 2009 18:28 (ten years ago) link

i hope so.

i just feel like especially women's products are targeted to the whole cyclical thing: wash, use toner, use moisturizer, etc.

sometimes i wonder if i'm creating more work than i need to, and in the process putting too many chemicals on my face. like maybe i should try just washing with a gentle wash. but i swear i'd breakout.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 15:30 (ten years ago) link

you might not! a lot of times breakouts are caused by overproducing oil because you've stripped it all away w/ 30 products. a dermatologist i used to go to said the best thing you could do was just wash with dove and a washcloth. of course, she also prescribed all sorts of random prescription cremes, so who knows?

tehresa, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:46 (ten years ago) link

dove soap dries my skin out SO much - i can't even use it on my body, let alone my face.

what is ILS consensus on toner? i haven't used it since i was a teen, but am contemplating it again.

where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:47 (ten years ago) link

i can't decide if it actually helps or is just psychological.

tehresa, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:50 (ten years ago) link

i mean, the ones with alcohol basically just suck the oil out of your skin. the more gentle ones, i don't know. they do seem kind of bullshit but it also feels really nice to put on and i like the idea

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:51 (ten years ago) link

i like the idea of getting off any cleanser that might not have rinsed off.

tehresa, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:56 (ten years ago) link

Is SeaBreeze even made anymore? It was a summer camp staple back in the day.

quincie, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:57 (ten years ago) link

speaking of, do y'all bother with makeup remover? sometimes i have a really hard time getting liner off and i think i should get some

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:57 (ten years ago) link

nah. sometimes eye makeup remover, but only if i am wearing a lot of/really dark eye makeup, which is not often.

tehresa, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:58 (ten years ago) link

If my cleanser doesn't rinse off, fuck it. I'm using a different cleanser. :)

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:00 (ten years ago) link

i wear a light smudge of eyeliner + mascara every day, and i NEVER take it off at night. bad, i know.

where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:41 (ten years ago) link

i have a friend who does the same. the remnants are part of her look. do you wash ur face at night?

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:48 (ten years ago) link

I like the IDEA of yesterday's makeup being part of your beautiful ruin, but my skin is too oily -- between the party at night and doing anything the next morning, a shower is always required.

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:51 (ten years ago) link

no, i don't wash my face at night. i'm kind of anti that, because i feel like it would just remove too many of my skin's natural oils and stuff. but i do feel guilty about not using any eye makeup remover.

where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:03 (ten years ago) link

see this intrigues me. so what do you do in the morning? and you have clear skin?

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:09 (ten years ago) link

i have perfectly clear skin and i only wash my face once a day too. i don't know if i am a good test subject tho -- i've always had almost 100% clear skin, i just am genetically blessed.

I am with the dirty ladies - I never wash my face at night either, just wear my makeup to bed :P I don't get pimples aside from one once a month, like clockwork.. I wash in the morning with face wash with scrubby bubbles in it, then mix concealer & lotion together and dry down with powder.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:40 (ten years ago) link

i USED to have pretty great skin. now that i'm getting old (lol) it's fucked. not to a casual observer, but it's def starting to show some wear and tear.

ramz: in the morning i wash (in the shower) with a gentle fash wash most days and a scrub once a week. i'm using this shitty neutrogena stuff atm, which i thought was the same as my last stuff, but is in fact not - it makes my face literally 'squeaky clean'.

i feel like face skin should only have very minimal extra stuff put put on it - it produces lots of stuff to care for itself, and washing/moisturising too much will probably block up pores and strip the skin. i have no evidence for this. it's just a 'feeling'.

where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 22:24 (ten years ago) link

i don't use concealer or foundation - just a very very light bronzer.

where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 22:25 (ten years ago) link

After I turned 30 I suddenly had acne issues. Before then I was peaches and cream. Sucks.

Anyway, I'm curious as to why those of you who only wash once a day would do so in the morning rather than at night. Aren't you worried about sweat, dust, pollution, makeup, etc clogging your pores while you sleep?

Sometimes I will only wash once a day, at night, and then rinse with cool water in the morning. But in my constant quest for acne control this has been my regime for the past six weeks and it seems to be working okay (as in acne not getting worse, perhaps slightly better.):

-Wash with Cetaphil and cool water in the morning. Apply blemish cream over face follow with tinted moisturizer or moisturizer + foundation.

-When I come home - clean face with a Neutrogena makeup remover face wipe. Apply blemish cream.

-Night: Wash with sacylic or benzyol peroxide foaming cleanser (twice a week I sub an exfoliating scrub); follow with blemish cream and night moisturizer.

For the past couple of weeks I've been using a 2% sacylic blemish cream (gel). It doesn't seem as powerful as benzyol peroxide on big breakouts but seems to do well and I feel like it's less strong. I have no dryness issues.

I also don't use toner. I think it does more harm than good.

Leviticus 19:18 (Susan), Thursday, 19 March 2009 14:49 (ten years ago) link

i wash my face at night, not in the morning.

the reason i wash mine in the morning is that it's too hard not getting my face wet in the shower, and once i get it wet i then have to moisturise, and i don't want to do this twice a day

where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:02 (ten years ago) link

I have a friend who has to moisturize MORE THAN once a day just because her skin soaks up the lotion. This is amazing to me. She has the most beautiful, pore-less skin of anyone I know (possibly ever) but she can only use super-gentle, sensitive cleansers and etc and by 10.30am, when I'm blotting my oils, she's adding moisturizer for the 2nd time of the day.

I comfort myself by thinking that my dermis will age better in the long run, but it's cold comfort when she's practically GLOWING in any light.

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:05 (ten years ago) link

water often makes my skin go crazy dry -like, skin-flaking-off-my-face kind of dry. sometimes in winter i need to moisturise twice a day, but i try to avoid it, because i feel like it's just more shit filling up my pores.

and oh god - i've started noticing small red spots/lines on my cheeks, something my mum has which has gotten worse in her old age. i forget what it's called, something like 'rosacea' or similar.

where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:10 (ten years ago) link

i have a bunch of little things, but with a little concealer and the right angle i can pull it out

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:11 (ten years ago) link

i exfoliate in the morning and cleanse at night. i use a lighter moisturizer in the morning than at night, and a different eye cream as well.

waaa waaa waaaa lol (tehresa), Thursday, 19 March 2009 17:37 (ten years ago) link

eye cream in the morning, eye gel at night for me

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 17:38 (ten years ago) link

i am the opposite - gel in am, cream for bed.

waaa waaa waaaa lol (tehresa), Thursday, 19 March 2009 17:38 (ten years ago) link

I need to pick up new foundation/concealer. The stuff I've been using is shit for redness. Blah.

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Thursday, 19 March 2009 17:39 (ten years ago) link

I have found nothing for redness. It's driving me mad.

No name is good name (Susan), Thursday, 19 March 2009 17:48 (ten years ago) link

tza you exfoliate every day?

where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 19 March 2009 18:37 (ten years ago) link

does anyone still use noxzema?

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 18:38 (ten years ago) link

i assume there is a never-ending supply of 12 year old girls who need their first cleanser, yeah. i don't think anyone over the age of 20 does though, do they?

mmm, nostalgia. Maybe I will start again.

No name is good name (Susan), Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:30 (ten years ago) link

that tingly feeling!

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:32 (ten years ago) link

i used to exfoliate every day and my skin was pretty great then. also what ive seen of tza's skin in photos looks pretty great too. maybe its time to start again.

I wish I was the royal trux (sunny successor), Thursday, 26 March 2009 13:21 (ten years ago) link

i have a really light exfoliator that i like. it's kind noxzema like in consistency, but it has tiny little scrubbing beads.

i like scrubbing better than scratching, on a regular basis.

Surmounter, Thursday, 26 March 2009 13:47 (ten years ago) link

depends how my skin is feeling. sometimes every day, sometimes not. but i like to keep smooth, i guess.

waaa waaa waaaa lol (tehresa), Thursday, 26 March 2009 13:50 (ten years ago) link

I use a scrub cleanser to exfoliate every morning and rinse with water at night. I moisturize at least twice a day sometimes more in winter. Diff day and night creams but same eye stuff.

Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:09 (ten years ago) link

what i find is, eye gels are really lovely and glow-y, which i love, but they don't blend with my under-eye concealer

whereas my eye cream blends

i now blend and then apply, which has been working wonders in my life

Surmounter, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:11 (ten years ago) link

Gels aren't moisturizing enough for me so I use cream only. I just let it sink in for a while before doing concealer.

Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:16 (ten years ago) link

girl, you don't need no eye cream ;)

Surmounter, Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:19 (ten years ago) link

LOL. That may be true but only because I've been using it since I was 19! There's no other explanation for my lack of wrinkles as a 31 year old (hopefully soon to be ex) smoker!

Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:34 (ten years ago) link

everyone needs eye cream (says she who doesn't use and has only been sporadically using moisturizer for fear of clogged pores.)

No name is good name (Susan), Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:31 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

discovered that a) seattle has ulta, and b) they carry mario badescu now! which means i can buy things without paying shipping! but also means no samples. so hmm.

tehresa, Sunday, 23 August 2009 04:34 (ten years ago) link

Everyone needs eye cream, apparently.

bamcquern, Sunday, 23 August 2009 05:27 (ten years ago) link

susan's right, you know

tehresa, Sunday, 23 August 2009 05:30 (ten years ago) link

very much

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Sunday, 23 August 2009 06:07 (ten years ago) link

in Friends With Money, jennifer aniston's character would steal eye cream and put it all over her body

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Sunday, 23 August 2009 06:23 (ten years ago) link

::shrugs::

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Sunday, 23 August 2009 06:24 (ten years ago) link

What Mario Badescu products should I try now that I have noticed that Ulta carries it ?

tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 30 August 2009 23:33 (ten years ago) link

I have both dry flaky patches and oily acne prone parts on my face. Bleh.

tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 30 August 2009 23:34 (ten years ago) link

Stop wasting time with the expensive stuff and use the only topical treatment that has been proven to work: Retin A. Retin A in the evening + moisturizer in the morning = good skin.

musically, Sunday, 30 August 2009 23:37 (ten years ago) link

i need a new eye gel for the morning. something depuffying/soothing? the clarins stuff was alright but not amazing and not really in the budget right now.

tr, try the hyaluronic eye cream. the seaweed toner is nice. also try going on their site and filling out the little questionnaire about your skin and it will suggest products for you (and usually they'll send you samples).

tehresa, Sunday, 13 September 2009 17:17 (ten years ago) link

wish i could help tza but i use the Lab Series for men gel.

musically, my aunt uses this retin-a. i remember something about it tho -- does it dry your skin out or something? also, is it just an acne treatment, or is it like a wrinkle treatment as well?

surm, Sunday, 13 September 2009 17:34 (ten years ago) link

i used retin-a in middle school. shit was harsh. i remember we had to get a note from my doctor to give the insurance company saying it wasn't bc i wanted to get rid of wrinkles/cosmetic bc otherwise they wouldn't cover it.

tehresa, Sunday, 13 September 2009 18:05 (ten years ago) link

it's weird to me that it can be so harsh, yet prevent wrinkles. u know?

surm, Sunday, 13 September 2009 19:24 (ten years ago) link

It's gotta be like some kind of race. Stay good looking long enough to make someone worthwhile fall in love with and spend the rest of your life with you, and then you can just go ahead wake up with puffy eyes some mornings.

bamcquern, Sunday, 13 September 2009 19:29 (ten years ago) link

but then they have a midlife crisis and leave you bc you too puffy.

And I find myself shouting... BHOOT!!! BHOOT!!! (tehresa), Sunday, 13 September 2009 19:32 (ten years ago) link

I hope to God I pick better than that.

bamcquern, Sunday, 13 September 2009 19:33 (ten years ago) link

i think it's usually the boys who do that.

And I find myself shouting... BHOOT!!! BHOOT!!! (tehresa), Sunday, 13 September 2009 19:33 (ten years ago) link

OK.

bamcquern, Sunday, 13 September 2009 19:34 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

i got talked into this caudalié exfoliator and it's very nice, but even nicer are the mask and moisturizer samples she gave me! it all smells like lavender and is apparently made from grapes?

tehresa, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 20:38 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

in love with this btw
http://www.aveda.com/images/products2/large/av_A3X5_162.jpg

way better than the clarins gel.

ms. thighs (tehresa), Friday, 6 November 2009 05:22 (ten years ago) link

I got the green science eye cream and holy shit it burns! I'm thinking of taking it back.

kate78, Friday, 6 November 2009 19:38 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

ok so here is a thing:

i am currently living a healthier lifestyle than i have in YEARS, if ever, but my skin looks worse than i can remember since middle school! i am currently a broken out mess, possibly due to some kind of allergic reaction to some unknown thing (it's slightly similar to my bare minerals breakout last summer), and i am not sure that any skin product can help. what do i do? is it hormonal? is it age? gahhhhh!

tehresa, Thursday, 10 December 2009 01:25 (nine years ago) link

maybe it's change of climate, but i can't imagine the air here being worse than polluted nyc air!

tehresa, Thursday, 10 December 2009 01:25 (nine years ago) link

It takes time to work all the deep-down crap outta your skin. It's gotta be bad to get good.

kate78, Thursday, 10 December 2009 04:50 (nine years ago) link

i feel like it all went south when i got a facial :(
i know it's supposed to act up for a few days after but it's been 1.5 months or so and is getting progressively worse.

tehresa, Thursday, 10 December 2009 04:55 (nine years ago) link

what about the water? maybe it's that?

DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Thursday, 10 December 2009 05:52 (nine years ago) link

6 weeks is nothing. When we start a patients on an acne treatment, we tell them to expect bad skin for another 12 weeks.

kate78, Thursday, 10 December 2009 05:54 (nine years ago) link

i mean like, 6 weeks since facial. skin has been overall worse for like 5 months but definitely better before the facial. but i don't know if that's anything to do with it. ugh.

tehresa, Thursday, 10 December 2009 05:56 (nine years ago) link

what the hell kinda facial was it? Have you been using anything new?

kate78, Thursday, 10 December 2009 06:02 (nine years ago) link

it was at aveda. i bought some aveda lotion. maybe that's it? but i stopped using it just in case like... a week ago... and i'm still kinda breaking out.

tehresa, Thursday, 10 December 2009 06:04 (nine years ago) link

i should really just find health insurance so i can go to a dermatologist.

tehresa, Thursday, 10 December 2009 06:05 (nine years ago) link

after the facial the girl said 'your skin is so perfect! i had a hard time diagnosing any problems at all!' which i kinda disagreed with but compared to now, it was pretty perfect then.

tehresa, Thursday, 10 December 2009 06:06 (nine years ago) link

your diet is pretty diff these days, something you are allergic to maybe

velko, Thursday, 10 December 2009 06:08 (nine years ago) link

When you get health insurance, come see me!

kate78, Thursday, 10 December 2009 06:10 (nine years ago) link

<3

tehresa, Thursday, 10 December 2009 06:19 (nine years ago) link

It definitely took a derm to fix my skin problems. Rx Retin-A plus rx spirinolactone is like magic bullet shit.

I do, however, have sunspots and broken capillaries that kinda bug me (lol thirtysomething with past history of sun abuse). Kate what are your thoughts on IPL? That's what my derm recommends.

quincie, Thursday, 10 December 2009 15:57 (nine years ago) link

hey tza the other i was thinking: you're exercising way more than u used to,r ight? sweat might be causing some of the breakouts too

DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Thursday, 10 December 2009 16:25 (nine years ago) link

hmm maybe. but i tend to shower right away afterwards.

tehresa, Thursday, 10 December 2009 19:10 (nine years ago) link

The only other thing I can think of is old toxins getting worked through and out? Some byproducts of body processes are expressed on the skin -- they are expressed by pores instead of being handled by, say, the digestive system.

WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 10 December 2009 19:16 (nine years ago) link

what a disaster for my face.

tehresa, Thursday, 10 December 2009 19:19 (nine years ago) link

gah now the lower half of my face (nose, lips, chin, etc) is FLAKING OFF, i think from blowing nose/winter weather? ugh.

tehresa, Monday, 14 December 2009 04:01 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

why do i feel like my skin is oilier on days when i wear glasses instead of contacts?

tehresa, Saturday, 9 January 2010 05:09 (nine years ago) link

the plastic from the glasses rubbing against your skin can create problems!

everyone kills people (the schef (adam schefter ha ha)), Monday, 11 January 2010 17:21 (nine years ago) link

I've had a zit that won't quit under the left arm of my glasses. At least you can't see it.

kate78, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:46 (nine years ago) link

fyi british: no treatment for acne on the nhs under cameron. GOODTIMES.

schlump, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 19:58 (nine years ago) link

what do ppl feel about biore nose strips?

you have to forgive me (surm), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:26 (nine years ago) link

I thought they made my skin worse, tbh. Maybe I was doing it wrong though.

Has anyone else tried using any stuff with neem in it? I've had good luck with a low-poo neem shampoo and so am trying a neem/aloe lotion. Seems to work great for redness, evening out skin tone, itching, but stinks.

Jaq, Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:38 (nine years ago) link

have never heard of it!

tehresa, Sunday, 31 January 2010 22:49 (nine years ago) link

It's a tree extract, like tea tree oil only no terpenes (I'm allergic to these), used in ayurvedic medicine for eons apparently. One of those stinky miracle products that does everything - antibacterial, calming, natural insect repellent, etc

Jaq, Sunday, 31 January 2010 23:14 (nine years ago) link

If your skin is subject to problems, such as blemishes, oily skin, or dry skin, try this simple solution on your skin. Purchase a bottle of apple cider vinegar diluted to 5%. Further dilute this by adding two parts water to one part vinegar. Keep this solution in a bottle close to where you wash, and each time you wash your face, rinse the soap off thoroughly and rinse the face with this solution. This will neutralize the alkaline residue left by the soap and help restore the natural acid condition of the skin, preventing any bacteria from getting a foothold, and reducing your chances of facial infections or the development of pimples. You will notice that after a week or so of using this solution your face will begin to take on a healthier glow than you have ever seen before. The skin on your face will feel more alive and you will look more radiant. Try it for yourself and see the fantastic results.

I just bought a bottle of this stuff today (89¢ cheap) but haven't tried it yet. it definitely appeals to my penny-pinching nature, seeing as the only skincare product I use right now is a daily dab of 15 spf moisturizer. hope it doesn't leave me smelling too bad.

'I Was Bees,' Says Hiker Stung 300 Times (unregistered), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:43 (nine years ago) link

You must keep us posted on the results!

kate78, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 08:25 (nine years ago) link

I love vinegar, partic the cider kind. Put a cup of it in bathwater for the same effect, btw, or put one cup of it in two cups of water to rinse dirty hair before washing normally. Brilliant, soft, feels like it repairs months of damage (what it really does is strip away all product residue and bring scalp back to slight acidity).

For some reason I never thought of it as facewash -- I like it a lot better than commercial toner. Might even steep some dried calendula in it.

Reading makes my ovaries hurt (Laurel), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:24 (nine years ago) link

ugh i need a dermatologist.

tehresa, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:59 (nine years ago) link

^^^still
my chin is a disaster!

on the positive: i got mario badescu ceramide herbal eye cream instead of the hyaluronic just as an experiment in trying new things. i am excited to see how it compares.

tehresa, Saturday, 6 February 2010 02:13 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

soo, you guys, i need a gel moisturizer. i found a GREAT one from lab series that i might have to get again, even tho it's $$, but do y'all have any other options? like, i just started using my eye gel all over my face cuz it's so much better for my skintone than any moisturizing cream i've tried.

any ideas?

big (surm), Monday, 22 March 2010 14:47 (nine years ago) link

Does it really have to be a gel? You can get CeraVe at the drugstore; it gets raves on the makeupalley boards. I use the CeraVe PM lotion--very light, no breakouts, no stinging.

quincie, Monday, 22 March 2010 15:51 (nine years ago) link

i used this philosophy microdelivery peel sample my aunt gave me and woah that shit is amazing. so $$ though :( it seriously cleared out my nose pores, though. the ones that drive me crazy because it seems like no matter how much i exfoliate, they fill right back up.

i was also in aveda for this awesome hair product (see hair did thread) and was telling the girl how i felt like my skin had been more oily/congested since i started using the lotion the aveda people told me to get so she said i could bring it back, even though it was months old and almost half used. so i did, and exchanged it for something that so far seems much better :)

tehresa, Monday, 22 March 2010 18:37 (nine years ago) link

t seriously cleared out my nose pores, though.

SO. TEMPTING. Have just realized I may not be able to buy soccer tix AND cosmetics this week, and I am super jittery about doing something to my SKIN but ARGGHGHGHG.

i can only imagine what regular use would do... i can dream. some day i can buy!

tehresa, Monday, 22 March 2010 19:00 (nine years ago) link

tehresa when you move here we can go halfsies on pricey skincare treatments and loll around in bathrobes and face masks with cucumber slices on our eyes!

quincie, Monday, 22 March 2010 19:09 (nine years ago) link

^_^

tehresa, Monday, 22 March 2010 19:29 (nine years ago) link

Just dropped a ton on Revale day cream. Love that stuff.

kate78, Monday, 22 March 2010 20:32 (nine years ago) link

tehresa, is this the philosophy stuff?

kate78, Monday, 22 March 2010 20:34 (nine years ago) link

yes

tehresa, Monday, 22 March 2010 20:35 (nine years ago) link

65 doesn't seem toooo horrendous - how long is it expected to last?

my pores are complete shit - maybe i will invest in the care of my skin sometime soon.

just1n3, Monday, 22 March 2010 22:32 (nine years ago) link

what i would give for that philosophy microdelivery whatever

my aunt actually used to work for philosophy, so she would sent my other aunt (who is more like my mom) samples of EVERYTHING. walking into my aunt's bathroom is like walking into heaven.

now she works for la prairie

yes quincie i think it has to be a gel :(

big (surm), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 00:54 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

hey so i break out at almost any sun protection moisturizer, or any regular moisturizer for that matter, but i bought this DDF Enhancing Sun Protection UV Moisturizer SPF 30 the other day and it is awesome! it uses zinc oxide and titanium dioxide, which my skin can deal with. pretty happy that this comes right before serious sun season.

mind crystals over matter (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 01:00 (nine years ago) link

I still rep for the LaRoche Posay Anthelios SX SPF 15. Yeah it is only SPF 15 but it also has a high PPD, unlike most other sunscreens in the US. An SPF 15 is fine for me--I avoid direct exposure anyway.

quincie, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:12 (nine years ago) link

what's high ppd?

i like the DDF moisturizer too, had a sample of that from sephora or someplace & finally tried it, good stuff.. i should go for spf 30 right, being pale as death and all?

Has anyone tried any powder-based sunscreens? peter thomas roth has a couple, I'm going to try one because all the sunscreens I try make me feel horribly greasy, also I am paranoid about avobenzone.

teeny, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:32 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

ugh summer is so brutal on skin... i feel like i need a facial every week. (or am just magnifying issues b/c my skin had been behaving for a while). tho i seem to have sweated out a lot of problem-skin issues while weekend dancing - maybe i just need a sauna every week! or maybe just not wear make-up/foundation, however light, for a while and see what happens. yep. ok i'm mostly ranting haha.
still v curious about photo-facials (but need $$ for them)

planes/octaves/dimensions of existence (rrrobyn), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:36 (nine years ago) link

man this morning i had some unprecedented undereye dryness. i think i am getting OLD!
i keep hearing the voice of jewell singing "who will sayyy-eee-aavvve my skin?"

tehresa, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:24 (nine years ago) link

do y'all find that having a couple drinks has a really negative effect on your skin for the next few days?

killahpriest (/\/K/\/\), Sunday, 13 June 2010 16:33 (nine years ago) link

it certainly dehydrates you. and if you are out and about having the drinks, you're probably wearing yourself out, too. the older i get, the harsher a toll going out and/or drinking takes on my physical appearance.

tehresa, Sunday, 13 June 2010 21:19 (nine years ago) link

i don't know if it is stress or what happened but under my right eye it looks like i have an abrasion or rash. there was some dry skin a few days ago, and now it is red and horrible looking.

tehresa, Sunday, 13 June 2010 21:20 (nine years ago) link

i think i haven't been drinking enough water. my poor, dry, hormonally crazy skin.

i need a gentle once-or-twice-a-week-type exfoliator w/o salicylic or glycolic acid or abrasive bits - does such a thing exist? for v sensitive/rosacea skin? i cannot deal with internet searches at the moment but you guys are a better anyway :)

planes/octaves/dimensions of existence (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:03 (nine years ago) link

got some marcelle exfoliating scrub (non-abrasive) - helping!
and using some laroche-posay vit C-treatment cream
dryness n stuff bettering, phew

you can't just buy a bathysphere (rrrobyn), Monday, 21 June 2010 03:33 (nine years ago) link

I am freckling way more easily this summer than in years past. Is this a sign of age? :(

tehresa, Saturday, 26 June 2010 18:30 (nine years ago) link

i am covered in face freckles and i hate it. it does accelerate as i get older, so watch out tza. i think i'm a few years older than you are?

i wear spf 40 on my face at all times when i'm outdoors now and it still happens :(

when i need a gentle exfoliator, i mix a little baking soda into my cleanser. cheap, and works alright. (that tip came to me from thread starter colette!)

an outlet to express the dark invocations of (La Lechera), Saturday, 26 June 2010 18:36 (nine years ago) link

Ooh awesome idea!

This morning I had on spf 70, a sport sunscreen (waterproof etc) for lap swimming. One hour total in sun and my shouldersgot crazy freckled! I think there's no hope for me.

tehresa, Saturday, 26 June 2010 18:44 (nine years ago) link

oof, that sucks. i would take shoulders over my face though. i do not want to see what i look like under one of those lamps that highlights skin damage (is that just a blacklight?)

an outlet to express the dark invocations of (La Lechera), Saturday, 26 June 2010 19:06 (nine years ago) link

i did baking soda for a while--the baking soda bits are small enough that it's pretty effective in its abrasiveness. but after i'd used it for a while it stung my skin. too basic i guess.

some people use sugar mixed in with cleanser or whatever. i keep meaning to make myself a body scrub with sugar. my face seems to have become too sensitive to use any sort of manual exfoliator. i have a fruit enzyme mask that helps some. i need to get in the habit of using it regularly.

JuliaA, Saturday, 26 June 2010 20:08 (nine years ago) link

Ok what the hell I just got a delayed reaction sunburn/irritation on my legs. Like 4 hours after being at the pool they turned pink and burny!

tehresa, Saturday, 26 June 2010 20:38 (nine years ago) link

maybe the chlorine? did you shave your legs today?

just1n3, Saturday, 26 June 2010 23:53 (nine years ago) link

Baking soda actually seems TOO fine to me, but then I'm used to sanding a couple of layers off with some coarse cornmeal, which I use mostly for body scrub but sometimes also on face.

There's a finer grade of cornmeal too, which might work better as a neutral scrubbing agent for faces?

the soul of the avocado escapes as soon as you open it (Laurel), Saturday, 26 June 2010 23:56 (nine years ago) link

I did, but the burn appeared after I showered the chlorine off, and is only on the tops of my legs (which were in sun when I was sitting on a chair for a few min post-swim).

tehresa, Sunday, 27 June 2010 00:14 (nine years ago) link

Tops of legs are the most susceptible sunburn spot for me, even with tons of high SPF sunscreen! I'll be fine everywhere else, but pink on the front thighs.

quincie, Sunday, 27 June 2010 02:04 (nine years ago) link

guys how serious is it when you have a family history of melanoma and you start developing one or two small brown spots on your skin n.b. this has not happened before

so you want Mark Ronson to cry into your ass (acoleuthic), Friday, 9 July 2010 01:21 (nine years ago) link

Louis it's probably nothing but go have them looked at. You don't want to mess around with that sort of thing.

o sh!t a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (ENBB), Friday, 9 July 2010 02:21 (nine years ago) link

ok cool, ty

so you want Mark Ronson to cry into your ass (acoleuthic), Friday, 9 July 2010 02:26 (nine years ago) link

Seriously it could be so many things. I have a lot of freckles and birthmarks and get a full body check every couple of years. It's a good idea to do so if you have any questions.

o sh!t a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (ENBB), Friday, 9 July 2010 02:29 (nine years ago) link

well especially if my mum has on and off melanoma herself - i've been a bit lax with suncare of late and i just want to make sure it isn't anything serious

so you want Mark Ronson to cry into your ass (acoleuthic), Friday, 9 July 2010 02:30 (nine years ago) link

i will second "get it checked out"
better safe than melanoma

ghee hee hee (La Lechera), Friday, 9 July 2010 02:31 (nine years ago) link

my skin just looks terrible
* sun spots (ie freckles of the old)
* dry spots
* spots (small but recurring zits mostly on my forehead)

i have always been of the belief that a facial is not worth the money, and that no process i could afford or cream application is going to really help

am i wrong? is there really something that will help or am i just getting old and in that case, fuck it? i protect from the sun as much as i can, but there's only so much a person can do to stop the ravage of time (basically, nothing but keep a positive attitude)

ghee hee hee (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 July 2010 14:47 (nine years ago) link

have always been of the belief that a facial is not worth the money, and that no process i could afford or cream application is going to really help

i feel this is true too although my mom says a friend of hers (prob in her fifties) had uneven spotty skin so she had several peel type treatments done and now her skin looks porcelain and 'glows'. i think she dropped mad cash on it though.

sunny successor, Thursday, 22 July 2010 14:56 (nine years ago) link

also: found out my dentist has started doing botox and restylane treatments. sweeeeeeeet.

sunny successor, Thursday, 22 July 2010 14:58 (nine years ago) link

A chemical peel is not a facial; it's much more involved than that. Chemical peels remove a few layers of skin.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 22 July 2010 15:10 (nine years ago) link

that's a glycolic acid peel, right? i have been doing those at home (low percentage acid i bought on ebay) and it's not really doing much. it does burn, though. i can only take 3 min max.

ghee hee hee (La Lechera), Thursday, 22 July 2010 15:17 (nine years ago) link

facials dont take off layers? ive never had anything like that done. YET. im sure its right around the corner. xp

sunny successor, Thursday, 22 July 2010 17:29 (nine years ago) link

if im paying money id probably want some layers removed tbh

sunny successor, Thursday, 22 July 2010 17:29 (nine years ago) link

I've only had two facials in my life and imo they're nice for clearing up skin and giving a temporary glow but it's not a long-term solution. I'm a big believer in proper creams though. I've been using eye cream and anti-aging formulas since I was 18 and a make-up artist told me it's never too early to start. I don't know if they work or not but I don't think it can hurt. ROC creams are supposedly one of the best you can buy OTC and seem to work pretty well. I use a moisturizer with sunscreen in the AM and a serum and retinoid night cream in the PM when I don't just fall asleep on the couch and forget the whole thing.

o sh!t a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (ENBB), Thursday, 22 July 2010 21:50 (nine years ago) link

This is the farthest south I've lived in 10 years and this summer is srsly schooling me in the need for diligent sunscreen use. Stopping @ cvs on the way home to try and find a good daily ceream with spf.

tehresa, Friday, 23 July 2010 02:42 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

trying to convince myself the weird mole on my knee is nothing, and that the two little mole-lets around it are also nothing

am seeing a dermatologist in a day or so

acoleuthic, Monday, 23 August 2010 18:01 (nine years ago) link

Just had a biopsy on a mole on my foot that suddenly developed a raised black bit in the middle. Was supposed to get the results today - will try calling the dermatologist tomorrow.

ljubljana, Monday, 23 August 2010 23:05 (nine years ago) link

Oh, dear. Good luck, both of you.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 00:37 (nine years ago) link

thanks - am sure mine's nothing but it's worth a look. seeing my GP on Weds - already have a dermatologist booked for a month or so

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 00:59 (nine years ago) link

I'm glad to hear about that.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 01:36 (nine years ago) link

Start using an oil-based cleanser from Shiseido, am hoping for miraculous blackhead-disappearing effects. (I believe it's the Ultimate Cleansing Oil.)

Jesus doesn't want me for a thundercloud (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 15:51 (nine years ago) link

Mole was benign.

ljubljana, Thursday, 2 September 2010 05:50 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

oh man i'm addicted to watching her makeup vids! but it is making me feel like a disgusting slob :(

also: the one wear where she explains using two different foundations (that are about 4 shades diff from each other, and she doesn't mix them, she applies them BOTH) is blowing my mind.

just1n3, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 03:16 (nine years ago) link

yeah, i like watching her for her tips, also i think her skin looks good. my best girlfriend (who has the best skin) says this girl looks like she is wearing makeup too dark for her even when she isn't, and thinks she's gross. it is the only thing on youtube that we disagree on.

(♥_♥) (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 12:02 (nine years ago) link

in that lemon vid her skin looks weird and orange but that's the only one out of all them i've watched. plus, i guess it's not like she uses professional lighting so that can make her skin look weirder than it really is.

i felt inspired to put on eyeshadow and foundation today, for the first in aaaaaaaaaaaages.

just1n3, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 15:35 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I got that philosophy micropeel and it is generally great but it wrecked the skin on my lips somehow. I've had a flaky patch for months now and I'm worried it won't go away! would prob help if I stopped picking at it obv etc.

teeny, Sunday, 14 November 2010 01:53 (nine years ago) link

Huh - I had a flaky patch for a few days after the first time I used it but it went away. Was pretty bad on that day tho.

The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Sunday, 14 November 2010 03:14 (nine years ago) link

teeny?!?! i havent seen you post in ages

(♥_♥) http://i46.tinypic.com/monk6.jpg (roxymuzak), Monday, 15 November 2010 00:14 (nine years ago) link

I might be back! Still nothing to say tho :(

teeny, Monday, 15 November 2010 00:49 (nine years ago) link

haha, didnt mean to just post that blank. i've been using that, and it is the best moisturizer ever!

(♥_♥) http://i46.tinypic.com/monk6.jpg (roxymuzak), Monday, 15 November 2010 00:53 (nine years ago) link

so... chin breaks out a lot (hormones i think?) but my nose is constantly flaky and shedding. how to balance?!

tehresa, Monday, 15 November 2010 01:21 (nine years ago) link

drink a lot of water???

(♥_♥) http://i46.tinypic.com/monk6.jpg (roxymuzak), Monday, 15 November 2010 01:24 (nine years ago) link

i watched that lemon vcideo last night and cant wait to try.

someone explain what its like to go to a dermatologist. can you go just because your skin is kind of gross or do you have to have an actual medical problem?

Shakey Sides (sunny successor), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:24 (eight years ago) link

i think i may have asked that before btw but i dont recall the answer.

also is it covered by insurance?

Shakey Sides (sunny successor), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:26 (eight years ago) link

ALSO i watched that 'youth know no pain' and some crazed plastic surgery junkie dudes swore you can get insurance to pay for an eye lift. i wonder if restylne/juverderm(sp?) is covered

Shakey Sides (sunny successor), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:27 (eight years ago) link

Gross skin is fair game for derm and ime insurance has covered it, yes. Particularly if you throw in "and I should have a full body check because I haven't had one in years." Derm will do that plus tend to your skin complaints, all in one visit.

I know someone who managed to get an eyelift covered by insurance because her "droopy lids were obstructing her vision."

They were not, by her account.

quincie, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:31 (eight years ago) link

I know someone who managed to get an eyelift covered by insurance because her "droopy lids were obstructing her vision."

Which happens, BTW. You also can get them to pay for a tummy tuck if your sagging belly is impeding your ability to walk--which happens, too.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:46 (eight years ago) link

I now work in derm and we don't buy the "I need a full body exam" line usually because your regular family doctor can do that and refer out if a problem is discovered. You can make that appointment, but you'll be paying out of pocket without a referral generally. Many dermatologist won't even see self-referrals for non-cosmetic complaints, though. You can just go ahead and schedule a cosmetic visit (check first to make sure to dermatologist you're seeing even does cosmetic stuff 'cause some don't). Ain't no way juvaderm or restalyne is getting covered by your insurance. We will not even attempt to submit to your company and demand cash on the barrel.

kate78, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:49 (eight years ago) link

has anyone tried the clarisonic or nutrasonic? i'm getting a nutrasonic for xmas. (costco has a decent discount and a good return policy if it turns out to suck)

i've been fascinated with these things for a while now. my face is a nightmare of flaky dryness, and exfoliation doesn't tend to work as thoroughly as i need.

JuliaA, Monday, 29 November 2010 22:15 (eight years ago) link

can't answer that, but i'm wondering if kate78 can tell me what i should do about the tiny skin tags i've noticed developing under my eyes - is this something i can get easily treated/removed at a dermatologist? they're almost invisible under my glasses, but they're freaking me out, as i've seen what happens when they GROW and SPREAD. ugh.

just1n3, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 03:13 (eight years ago) link

s this something i can get easily treated/removed at a dermatologist?
Yes, a nurse can just numb the area and snip them off with scissors! Insurance probably will not cover this 'cause it's cosmetic.

kate78, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:48 (eight years ago) link

they're still really really small though - do i have to wait for them to get bigger??

just1n3, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:05 (eight years ago) link

Cannot tell without looking at them. Possibly? See what they can do for you.

kate78, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:07 (eight years ago) link

I have Mario Badescu samples coming!!! Verrrry excited about this; I haven't bought a specifically facial care product in...like a year. Or more?? Basically am down to dabbing a tiny bit of my Aveeno body lotion onto my face these days, which works "okay" but obv not to be preferred.

Maybe I'll cruise by Kiel's on the way home and see if I can pick up a few winter item samples...I have been neglecting this local resource for too long.

I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Friday, 3 December 2010 16:26 (eight years ago) link

Hitting Sephora later to look for a dark, dark brown eye pencil with a hint of gold sparkle. I also really want some eyeshadow to experiment with as I haven't worn it in years, but I just don't know where to start. I guess I should be watching those vids.

ljubljana, Saturday, 4 December 2010 14:40 (eight years ago) link

Whoops wrong thread... though maybe gold sparkle will make my skin look better in a magical way...

ljubljana, Saturday, 4 December 2010 14:41 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

hey, mario badescu sends you a $10 gift cert on your bday! awesome :)

tehresa, Friday, 31 December 2010 19:12 (eight years ago) link

sweeeet

hay kate78 what kind of results do you see from restylne etc. ive heard these types of things last a year but then ive also heard you look bad for a week, great for another week, then back to pre-procedure face the next.

also how many injections needed for fine lines around the mouth??

calling planet dearth (sunny successor), Friday, 31 December 2010 21:14 (eight years ago) link

also is it wise to trust my dentist to do it?

calling planet dearth (sunny successor), Friday, 31 December 2010 21:15 (eight years ago) link

hi Sunny: i don't have a lot of experience with restalyne, sorry. I would not go to a dentist, though. Many derms and plastic surgeons will do a cosmetic consult for free (it never hurts to ask). You're stunning, anyway.

kate78, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 22:51 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Revive for ENBB cos the proper place isn't really the hair-did thread.

This one!

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:19 (eight years ago) link

that stuff is awesome! i've been rocking a sample size of it for like 3 years.

tehresa, Saturday, 26 February 2011 00:07 (eight years ago) link

aww kate78 you sweet!

have you ladies seen this new magazine called 'New Beauty'? its credo seems to be 'look you know the creams don't work. get injections already, moran' It's really pretty great.

calling planet dearth (sunny successor), Sunday, 27 February 2011 19:52 (eight years ago) link

xoxo

kate78, Sunday, 27 February 2011 19:54 (eight years ago) link

oh and totally contrary to my post above ive been using DDF Mesojection Healthy Cell Serum before using moisturizer and its improved my skin but a gazillion percent. its $84 at sephora but I found one half price still in the box on ebay and the chick even sent a whole mess of samples with it. score!

calling planet dearth (sunny successor), Sunday, 27 February 2011 19:56 (eight years ago) link

haha i was reading DDF's description of the serum and how it penetrates "14 layers deep into the skin’s surface" - made me think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdkWc_ogevs
haha :)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 00:48 (eight years ago) link

Went to the for-reals Mario Badescu counter at Lord & Taylor, bought two things on the cheaper end of spectrum, and the lady was throwing samples in my bag like I was the Queen of Somewhere and it was my birthday. <3

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 18:30 (eight years ago) link

Also went to Sephora for a lipgloss and someone who reminded me very much of ilx's own favorite 666er, nijoli, ended up helping me find a lip color and she turned out to be from Ohio and have vacationed in places from my neck of the Michigan woods. Charmed, I'm sure!

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 18:31 (eight years ago) link

Made it back to work in about 1 hr 10 mins. :D

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 18:32 (eight years ago) link

What kind of lipgloss?

Guys, I'm confused about skincare. :(

ENBB, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:41 (eight years ago) link

Brand: Lip Fusion. Color: "Bitten."

No idea what Fusion is, as a brand. Sales lady I happened to approach turned out to be a specialist for them.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 19:42 (eight years ago) link

What is the confusion??

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 19:42 (eight years ago) link

There are just SO many products out there that I end up getting weirdly overwhelmed when it comes to buying creams and stuff. I don't really have any brand loyalty although I just read that you should use a product for at least three months until it starts working so maybe I should start cultivating some.

I need a good day time moisturizer with SPF 30. Any suggestions?

ENBB, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:46 (eight years ago) link

I've bought my entire skin care regimen in either a grocery store or corner Walgreens for so many years I don't even know. I used to use all-Shiseido stuff at one time and rly liked it.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 19:50 (eight years ago) link

After much lurking on the skin care board at Makeupalley, I have come up with this summary:

1. Use a gentle cleanser
2. Use an antioxidant (vit C, etc.)
3. Use a retinol
4. Always, always, always use a stable sunscreen

My go-to SPF is LaRoche Posay Anthelios--CVS carries it. It's the only thing I've found that doesn't ball up funny, leave a white cast, or sting my eyes/skin. Actually, the SPF 40 leaves a bit of a white cast, but for daily use (when I'm inside most of the day) I just use the 15.

quincie, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:52 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I mean that is the other thing. I sort of refuse to spend tons of money on really expensive skin stuff because I'm pretty convinced that there are some great drugstore brands out there. Right now I'm using Aveeno which is pretty good. I guess part of my confusion is whether it's worth actually shelling out 50+ for a day cream or if I'm fine sticking to my trusty CVS standbys.

ENBB, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:53 (eight years ago) link

I stood by the Aveeno soy daytime moisturizer for a couple of years but bought it again maybe 6 mos ago and it seems to make my cheeks break out?? Still think their body lotions have the best texture and absorbency of any of the drugstore lotions but I can't put their stuff on my face anymore.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 19:56 (eight years ago) link

OK so I already use a gentle cleanser. Just bought a vit C serum. I'll make sure the next night cream I get has retinoids in it.

Quincie is the LaRoche SPF just an SPF or a moisturizer w/ SPF?

ENBB, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:56 (eight years ago) link

8oz of the Badescu moisturizer w SPF that I just bought, btw, was only $22 or so.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 19:58 (eight years ago) link

oh that's not bad at all

ENBB, Friday, 4 March 2011 20:03 (eight years ago) link

The LaRoche 15 comes in both plain SPF and moisturizer w/SPF; not sure about the 40.

The was a drugstore retinol product that the MUA people supported, but I can't remember which--I think it was also LaRoche?

quincie, Friday, 4 March 2011 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Roc?

That seems to get a lot of praise as far as drugstore retinol goes but I've never been that impressed with it. Maybe I don't give them enough time. I feel like I switch every time I run out of something instead of sticking with it.

ENBB, Friday, 4 March 2011 20:06 (eight years ago) link

So does putting antioxidants on your skin REALLY do anything? I'm kinda surprised to see you repping for that, q!

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 20:28 (eight years ago) link

It's definitely more about prevention than correction. In theory (and some actual science to back it up), having supplemental antioxidants on the skin will help wipe up the free radicals that cause skin damage, particularly that caused by UV radiation. I have a lot of sun damage from my carefree (and sunscreen-free) youth, so basically I'm just trying to minimize future damage. I don't rep for it as making any sort of noticeable difference to existing damage.

I use a really cheap vit C serum--there are lots of make-your-own recipes, too--so I figure what the hell.

quincie, Friday, 4 March 2011 21:29 (eight years ago) link

I mean we put lemon juice on cut apples to minimize oxidation, right? Same theory :)

quincie, Friday, 4 March 2011 21:30 (eight years ago) link

I believe you and the science! I'm surprised that any aspect of the sales lingo has real merit, but what the hell, why not.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 21:33 (eight years ago) link

I'm also in total denial about my own sun damage; although I stopped getting any on-purpose rays sometime in my early teens, I've had a few episodes with my forehead where my part is, involving damage where layers of skin slough off and ooze. I'm diligent with the sunscreen now but I'd hate to get under one of those lights that shows the accumulation of damage.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Friday, 4 March 2011 21:35 (eight years ago) link

I don't even need one of those lights to see mine--brown spots galore, plus the occasional actinic keratosis that has to be scraped off and sent to pathology. Oh and I had to have something cut out of my lip several years back. Thanks a lot, stupid sun.

quincie, Friday, 4 March 2011 21:47 (eight years ago) link

I keep looking at the Olay Regenerist stuff at Costco. But then I remembered how much I liked Neutrogena's Healthy Skin stuff, so was just looking at that online. Which led me to these microneedle rollers OMG!! Prick thousands of tiny holes in your face, and then rub stuff on it YEOW!!

Jaq, Friday, 4 March 2011 22:46 (eight years ago) link

I got at least a dozen or more second-degree sunburns in my early teens (I wasn't trying to get a suntan, I just did a lot of swimming), but I don't see any sun damage--just allergy lines underneath my eyes and across the bridge of my nose, the chicken pox scars on my forehead, and some barely visible wrinkles around my eyes. (Don't see any on the rest of my body, either.) I'm assuming that skin cancer is inevitable, though, and I've been worried about it for years.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 5 March 2011 00:20 (eight years ago) link

Made it back to work in about 1 hr 10 mins. :D
oh man i kinda miss working in midtown now for the once-in-a-while pop over to the saks beauty counters for a little lunchtime pick me up in the form of lip gloss! foggy bottom is lame.

re: drug store stuff, i told l this earlier today but i ran out of my fancy eye creams and needed something stat and picked up a thing of loreal's reviatlift and i feel like my under-eye area, which is usually a concern, actually may look a little bit better. but maybe it's just psychological? so hard to tell!

tehresa, Saturday, 5 March 2011 06:26 (eight years ago) link

so i went for a facial today at a place that is also a dermatologist's office, so it's this good mix of clinical and fancy. they have really good products too. the facial didn't make my skin burn or get greasy or anything. it was awesome. i feel glowy, even though my super reactive skin is recovering from a breakout thing (fun times). i bought some good products too, as i am finally accepting that i really can't use any skin product in a department store or sephora or drugstore. but hey, that's life. also i feel fancy now :)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 11 March 2011 03:28 (eight years ago) link

why at 36 did i suddenly develop acne....fucking a.

Get me two meatball sandwiches Utah, TWO! (chrisv2010), Thursday, 24 March 2011 20:28 (eight years ago) link

Erm, stress?

Confused Turtle (Zora), Thursday, 24 March 2011 21:00 (eight years ago) link

i definitely experienced a hormonal change in the past year or two (late 20s) that made my skin more congested (and also my hips wider) but i don't know much about this happening in men!

tehresa, Thursday, 24 March 2011 21:09 (eight years ago) link

its like adult acne central...its really nuts. but yes, i think zora nailed it.

Get me two meatball sandwiches Utah! TWO! (thebingo), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 17:27 (eight years ago) link

its not ridiculous, but i wake up with a new pimple every other day.

Get me two meatball sandwiches Utah! TWO! (thebingo), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 17:28 (eight years ago) link

I'm in the same boat.

Confused Turtle (Zora), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 17:31 (eight years ago) link

Get back to us when your own sweat makes your skin break out.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 17:34 (eight years ago) link

that happens in the summer time to me laurel.

Get me two meatball sandwiches Utah! TWO! (thebingo), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 17:40 (eight years ago) link

Also I think I accidentally got hairspray on my neck while spraying my 'do on Saturday, and sure enough -- Sunday I had a whole new problem right in that spot.

xp oh well then. Welcome to the club!

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 17:41 (eight years ago) link

Me too, sorry! Also allergic to sunlight.

Confused Turtle (Zora), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 17:44 (eight years ago) link

usually right under the brim of my hat is where i get them the worst.

i also get them right at my hairline, i suspect that Brylcreem may be the culprit.

Get me two meatball sandwiches Utah! TWO! (thebingo), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 18:43 (eight years ago) link

Semi-famous internet memes notwithstanding, you may want to actually wash that hat.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 18:46 (eight years ago) link

ha!

om a skincare related tip - I think I may have found my holy grail eye cream - Clinique All About Eyes Rich. I've been looking for a heavy cream - not a gel, not a lotion, a cream that targets circles and lack of sleep-induced puffiness and two days in this baby seems to be working a treat.

ENBB, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 18:52 (eight years ago) link

need that
i am so sleep deprived and look like death

Ralpharina (La Lechera), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 19:11 (eight years ago) link

its a new hat! its the brylcreem

Get me two meatball sandwiches Utah! TWO! (thebingo), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 20:20 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, probably. I have to change my pillowcase frequently because hair oils transfer to it and then get on my skin, and I know I'm not the only one who freaks out slightly about linens.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 20:24 (eight years ago) link

thats probably why im getting the acne on my face! Fucking brylcreem. I change my sheets once/twice a week....i also have night sweats...im a fucking nightmare.

Get me two meatball sandwiches Utah! TWO! (thebingo), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 20:28 (eight years ago) link

That's pretty frequent, tbh. More than twice a week seems like an ungodly amount of work. Do you, or would you consider, showering at night? Or sleep in a cap of some kind just to wrap up the 'do.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 20:30 (eight years ago) link

i've heard that a cool shower before bed helps. i've also started to wear pajama bottoms and a t-shirt to sleep and before i was strictly an underpants kind of guy and it seems to help. I think i would get too cold and then overheat. I've also found that they sell moisture wicking pajamas at $75 a pop.

Get me two meatball sandwiches Utah! TWO! (thebingo), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 20:42 (eight years ago) link

yeah, nix the bryllcreem. i almost never use product in my hair bc it causes me to breakout. some aveda stuff is okay, but i don't know, hair products are full of oils and alcohols and silicones and all of them clog my pores it wld seem... i use aveda 'brilliant' shampoo & conditioner and that has made hair far less dry, so less need for product anyway.

my skin has actually been really good since using aquafolia cleanser and moisturizer, but then i ate chocolate on the wkend and also had wine, both of which cause hive-like pimples, and i know that! and yet. i had a kindof self-destructive wkend in general, so thanks for the reminder to not be so crazy, skin. getting a facial on thursday as it is :)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 22:01 (eight years ago) link

i just spent insane amounts of money on the Anthony product line for men, cleansers, atringent and moisturizer. Used to use these products with good results before.

Zero pumps, massive boner (thebingo), Monday, 4 April 2011 19:41 (eight years ago) link

bf uses that for his shaving (head/face) and lovves it, although i think he's run out and not repurchased because of $.

tehresa, Monday, 4 April 2011 19:52 (eight years ago) link

I used the anthony shaving products...not as good as the Kiehls though.

Zero pumps, massive boner (thebingo), Monday, 4 April 2011 20:40 (eight years ago) link

tell your bf to try proraso (great for a great price) or taylor of old bond street.

Zero pumps, massive boner (thebingo), Monday, 4 April 2011 20:42 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

i just scared the hell out of myself when i looked at my leg and saw what i thought was a bunch of varicose veins. it was just some lint. *phew!!*

tehresa, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 22:24 (eight years ago) link

ooh i've been using the Aveda Enbrightenment cleanser and it is really great! i was srsly surprised and figured i'd have to take it back after a week or two. but i'm really liking it!

but i think the best thing i've been doing for my skin is not eating sugar

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:26 (eight years ago) link

I have a serious varicose vein problem (cosmetically speaking, not medically speaking) and have basically stopped wearing skirts.

ljubljana, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:46 (eight years ago) link

guys i bought a microdermabrasion (sp?) treatment on groupon . also hair extensions. i assume i tip the hairdresser but the skin lady? i dont know. internet points to no but im not sure. anyone have a clue?

Serial Chiller (sunny successor), Sunday, 10 July 2011 03:00 (eight years ago) link

yeah i think anything that is 'clinical' you wouldn't tip for? i don't know though!!

tehresa, Sunday, 10 July 2011 03:02 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've got an inch-and-a-half long crack in my heel that's been there several months and won't go away. I've gotten rid of the callous around it, I'm rubbing crack healing ointment on it every day and painting it with liquid bandage at night, but all I've been able to do is heal it enough to where I can walk around without pain. Got any ideas to help, or should I see a doctor on this one? (I'm not diabetic.)

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 30 July 2011 18:20 (eight years ago) link

i got nothing.

can we talk about sunscreen? i hear you are not supposed to use oxybenzone-containing sunscreens now. every.single.sunscreen has it. i have so far found ONE - an alba one at whole foods - that didn't.

tehresa, Saturday, 30 July 2011 18:54 (eight years ago) link

Christine, you might try O'Keeffe's - either Healthy Feet or Working Hands. The Working Hands might be easier for you to find locally; hardware stores carry it as well as some drug stores.

Jaq, Saturday, 30 July 2011 19:07 (eight years ago) link

Christine, I am not positive, but I think a crack that won't heel could possibly have a fungal component to it. I would probably see a doctor but if that's not feasible or easy, maybe try some Lamictal cream or something similar and see if that helps.

ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Saturday, 30 July 2011 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Hahaha won't heal, I mean. Sheesh.

ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Saturday, 30 July 2011 20:06 (eight years ago) link

Thanks, I'll look into that for my heel that won't heal.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 30 July 2011 22:02 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Can anyone recommend a 50+ suncream that isn't completely gloopy and guaranteed to stain any clothes it comes into contact with?

Can't Stop the Rop (seandalai), Monday, 15 August 2011 13:34 (eight years ago) link

Bullfrog makes a spray-on version, I haven't tried it (because Duane Reade stopped carrying Bullfrog and I couldn't find any this season), but it's probably not "gloopy". Dunno about the staining, but suggest putting sunblock on the parts that touch clothing BEFORE you put the clothes on, and let skin dry, and THEN get dressed.

Basically the same thing ladies are instructed to always do w/r/t lotion, make-up, perfume. All that stuff is bad for clothes.

That makes sense...I've never gone beyond basic Ambre Solaire products I pick up at Boots and was curious whether pricier creams might feel "nicer".

Can't Stop the Rop (seandalai), Monday, 15 August 2011 16:10 (eight years ago) link

Oh. Then the answer is "yes."

the Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry Touch sunscreens are good and not oily and haven't harmed my clothes that i've noticed

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 15 August 2011 17:47 (eight years ago) link

Confession: I gave up on daily sunscreen. I'm in direct sunlight approx 10 minutes every day, if that. It just seemed pointless.

ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Monday, 15 August 2011 18:01 (eight years ago) link

Went to a dermatologist (1st time ever) last week to have some scary bumps checked out (benign) - she advised it was better to wear clothing+hat than sunscreen, which is easier here than other places since it is generally not terribly hot.

Jaq, Monday, 15 August 2011 18:19 (eight years ago) link

Haha I've been in the sun almost daily for a week and purposefully got as much tan as possible (for me) in that time. Yay summer!!

I avoid the sun like a goth. I don't mind oblique sunlight, such as sitting in the shade, wearing sunglasses and looking out at sunlit things, but for the most part, direct sunlight makes me decidedly unhappy.

ilx poster and keen dairy observer (Jenny), Monday, 15 August 2011 18:25 (eight years ago) link

Well, I've been on a boat/at the beach. I only like to be in the sunlight in close proximity to water.

I got at least 5-10 second degree sunburns in one summer when I was 11 or 12, and I wonder when the skin cancer is going to show up.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:42 (eight years ago) link

ugh i remember getting sunburned so bad when i was kid that i had huge blisters on my face. i don't think sunscreen made an appearance in our house till i was 8 or so.

just1n3, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 00:33 (eight years ago) link

I had so many blisters on my face and had them so often that my mother thought I'd end up with scars.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 18 August 2011 22:48 (eight years ago) link

in june 1997 i went to the first Tibetan freedom concert out on Randalls Island. Not being a native NYer I had no idea downing stadium was a sea on white concrete. My head got so burnt that day that i was peeling layers of skin off my head that i had to then drag through my hair. id end up with a piece of skin with a hundred tiny holes. So gross and painful. AND I developed a bright red dot about the size of a round pinhead an inch back from my hair line that i still have today. I could get it removed but they'd have to shave my head there and right behind the bangs is kind of a hard place to cover up.

Serial Chiller (sunny successor), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 17:14 (eight years ago) link

oh i guess it was the second TFC. The first one was in SF the year before

Serial Chiller (sunny successor), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 17:16 (eight years ago) link

I am getting a facial today. Hoping for some sort of skin-rejuvenation miracle. Will no doubt end up disappointed.

quincie, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 17:29 (eight years ago) link

caught a glimpse of my face under flourescents the other night and it was really, really scary. i don't know what to do... peel? facial?

tehresa, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 22:08 (eight years ago) link

avoid fluorescents: seriously: forever: seriously
really i feel like it is just deceptive, like those insane close up mirrors you can get for practically microscopic pore evaluation; it makes you view yourself through a lens that doesn't really compare to how things 'look' in any other circumstances, like if you had a mirror that showed you what you looked like solarized or with inverted colours. or with lens flare (awesome). i stopped using one of the bathrooms at work recently because, on days when my skin is less than perfect, i leave feeling really freaked out about it & assuming it's in that kind of weird hyper-accentuated state of neon blotchiness elsewhere.

i know avoiding certain places isn't always possible but i do sorta mean it, at least that you should be gauging what you need on how you feel generally about your skin rather than because of one of those weird instances when you're caught off guard.

(Chris Isaak Cover) (schlump), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 22:18 (eight years ago) link

more and more, i am dissatisfied with my skin's appearance under incandescent and natural light, too u_u

tehresa, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 22:26 (eight years ago) link

ah okay. just feeling compelled to proselytise because there are days when i have some distance & realise how much strip lighting plays with my idea of my complexion. good luck w/whatever you go for!, i sorta think the sense of agency of feeling like you made your skin better is worth a lot so worth doing the right thing for.

(Chris Isaak Cover) (schlump), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 22:28 (eight years ago) link

oh yeah i mean flourescents are definitely the worst. but i'm feeling like the problem is now bigger than lighting.

tehresa, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 22:34 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

think i might give this homemade oil cleanser a try. my skin is so blah and has been for a while. i did notice that since my dairy consumption has dropped about 90% in the past couple of years, i hardly ever get big zits - but my pores are still blocked, i still have clusters of minor blemishes and i get these dry patches on my cheeks.

i've also developed rosacea on my cheeks :/ if this is hereditary, then i def got it from my mum.

just1n3, Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:22 (eight years ago) link

I know Jaq has some experience with oil cleansers, she'll probably weigh in soon. I believe they can actually be quite drying, paradoxically.

Went to the Badescu counter today and topped up my cleanser, plus a day moisturizer with 17SPF and a night cream with none. Feeling very posh right about now, tbh!

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:28 (eight years ago) link

I was out of everything and had been using a liquid Dr Bronner's plus whatever nice triple-milled bar we had in the bathroom, and my skin has been kinda freaking out?? I think that's also partly from not changing my sheets for going on 2 weeks now; even though I shower at night, anything that touches my face & neck eventually causes problems.

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:30 (eight years ago) link

Haha the counter lady said, "You have very fair skin, and I also see a lot of redness." Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. Welcome to my world.

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:31 (eight years ago) link

bronner's baby is the only shit my skin can deal with. it is the light blue one. the others are way too drying for me. it has been my daily soap for ~5 years (also sls free-sls breaks me out a bunch).

bene_gesserit, Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:40 (eight years ago) link

I've been trying to wash my hair less, partly b/c I'm cheap, and the last shampoo/cond set someone gave me is Aveda but a little too drying. Haven't thrown it out b/c it's expensive shit and I just didn't want to buy new, but not washing my hair is TERRIBLE for my skin. More breakouts all around hairline and nape. Embarrassing, I am a 35-yo grown-ass woman, why do I have teenager skin??

Otoh someone said they thought I was 25 the other day, so my oiliness must be doing something right/protective.

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:43 (eight years ago) link

sls free obviously mean sodium laurel sulfate free! GET LAUREL OUT OF MY SOAPS

this is lindsay btw, hi! come to kathleens bday with me tomorrow?

bene_gesserit, Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:44 (eight years ago) link

Esp given that I've been smoking for like 15 years and am not at all careful w my skin.

xp HEY THAT'S LAURYL TO YOU.

xp2: Maybe! Special Agent Cooper and I have a date to go to the Times Sq protest but maybe later!

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:45 (eight years ago) link

GET LAUREL OUT OF MY SOAPS

otm

mookieproof, Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:45 (eight years ago) link

well. it's at franklin park. i think you live around there now?? misssss u

bene_gesserit, Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:47 (eight years ago) link

Missssss u tu!

I live within biking dist of there, if it ever stops raining! Plus <3 <3 Kathleen, obv.

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Saturday, 15 October 2011 02:48 (eight years ago) link

aw can you tell kathleen i said happy birthday (if it is the kathleen i think it is!)?

tehresa, Saturday, 15 October 2011 03:30 (eight years ago) link

hi trza! it is :) and i will (or hopefully WE will cmon laurel)!

bene_gesserit, Saturday, 15 October 2011 03:32 (eight years ago) link

hey laurel, maybe try dampening a cotton pad with witchhazel and wiping your hairline/nape every evening/morning? it'll pick all those oils.

just1n3, Saturday, 15 October 2011 04:00 (eight years ago) link

i find it too drying to use all over my face, but i swipe my t-zone/hairline with some every other day

just1n3, Saturday, 15 October 2011 04:01 (eight years ago) link

I know Jaq has some experience with oil cleansers, she'll probably weigh in soon. I believe they can actually be quite drying, paradoxically.

Thank god I can FINALLY answer to this! OCM has been great for me, but it is drying and slightly detergent. I think it's bullshit that extra virgin olive or any other oil will "nourish" your epidermis btw. Castor and jojoba oils were both way too heavy and sticky to do any good for me - you want an oil that is lighter weight than the natural oil your skin produces. The oil you apply will dissolve and carry away your skin's excess oil and the crud it harbors in the upper reaches of your pores. Without causing your oil-producing glands to go into overdrive. OCM is magnificent at clearing blackheads - not just the oil dissolving business but that it provides enough slip to keep your massaging fingers from doing a lot of damage AND provides enough resistance to work the crud loose.

What it can't help so much with - hormonal issues. Those things are going to happen. The best you can do is keep the redness and inflammation down. I used to use a vitamin K gel, which will cut redness over time. But once I started doing neem experiments, it is now my go-to. It's anti-inflammatory, anti-bacterial, anti-viral, anti-fungal - super soothing for any itchiness too. For god's sake, don't use the neem oil though - stinks like you would not believe! Get neem leaf tincture or make your own oil or water or witch hazel based extract. You can buy ground up neem leaf in capsules at health food stores. Massage the tincture into areas of trouble - usually it's glycerin based so has a slightly sticky feel. It is very green in color and smell. Itchiness, redness, and inflammation are noticeably decreased in 10 minutes or so. The stuff has no known toxicity, but tastes TERRIBLE.

Jaq, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:52 (eight years ago) link

So what do you use instead of jojoba or castor, jaq?

just1n3, Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:16 (eight years ago) link

I tried a home made face peel thing with gelatin and soy milk - idk, my pores still look dirty

just1n3, Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:18 (eight years ago) link

I just use a lighter weight olive oil (not ev, some lesser and cheaper one). And an occasional diluted cider vinegar rinse, for when I want to feel especially salad-like :)

I started out using the modified olive oil from DHC, which is excellent btw, but then moved on to a home-brewed grocery store solution.

Jaq, Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:31 (eight years ago) link

Sweet almond oil was okay to blend with the light olive oil, but I ran out of it. I think argan oil would also work really well, but it is $$$.

Jaq, Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:32 (eight years ago) link

I put a little lavender oil in mine, since I do the OCM at night. I was worried about tightness from getting my face wet intrude morning shower and not moisturizing, but it's been fine. I do look quite tired though.

just1n3, Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:36 (eight years ago) link

For me, the feeling of tightness always came from either stripping out all the oil with an alcohol toner, or using an alkaline pH cleanser and not re-acidifying. I only do OCM a few times a week and just rinse my face well 2x/day. I don't use any makeup though, so don't have to worry about taking that off my skin.

Jaq, Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:43 (eight years ago) link

Normally I can't get my face wet unless I can moisturize right away - it gets tight and also flaky

just1n3, Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:52 (eight years ago) link

Sweet almond oil was okay to blend with the light olive oil, but I ran out of it. I think argan oil would also work really well, but it is $$$.

would lick any of you guys' faces, you all sound delicious

interspecies smalltalk (schlump), Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:55 (eight years ago) link

I bought a La Mer product...ONCE and they gave me a teenytiny sample of La Mer creme and it has been the only reason I really wanted money ever since. The other product I bought was forgettable and a waste of heard earned cash.

I have an oily complexion but it can get really dry using stuff that is supposed to control oily skin. My skin gobbled up the La Mer and it was the first time I felt and saw a really positive reaction to a facial product. In one week my complexion was beautiful, lovely, dewey, just perfect and I felt I looked 10 years younger. Then I ran out and it was back to... meh.

La Mer is the one thing I would ever risk stealing. It is always behind glass. Then if I ran out, have to steal again or go try and sell myself. As pricey as it is though....that wouldn't work, teehee

*tera, Monday, 24 October 2011 12:17 (eight years ago) link

I agree- DHC's modified olive oil is really, really good. I did see improvements with it. Though nothing magical.

*tera, Monday, 24 October 2011 12:18 (eight years ago) link

*sigh* this OCM isn't working out: i still have dry patches (increased from before) and it's giving me red-rimmed eyes, which makes me look stoned and tired all day, and my face just feels kind of dirty.

just1n3, Thursday, 27 October 2011 16:03 (eight years ago) link

It sounds like you are having an allergic reaction to the oil you're using, if your eyes are red.

Jaq, Thursday, 27 October 2011 16:05 (eight years ago) link

Hey y'All here's something nuts: I noticed my skin has improved by 1000% and couldnt work out why until I realized I've been drinking a whole lot of milk lately. Go cows!

I just got back from a dream attack (sunny successor), Sunday, 6 November 2011 03:37 (eight years ago) link

loool my skin started improving when i STOPPED consuming so much dairy!

just1n3, Sunday, 6 November 2011 03:45 (eight years ago) link

Have any of you ever used Lush's Ultrabland cleanser? I am trying it out since my skin gets so incredibly dry in the winter. So far, it's p nice.

They're coming to get you, (Jenny), Sunday, 6 November 2011 12:03 (eight years ago) link

I'm a Kiehl's gentle foaming facial cleanser (which does not actually foam at all) gal year-round. I am liking the Cerave PM cream after washing, but my face is not uber dry. My hands, on the other hand. . . constant winter battle.

quincie, Sunday, 6 November 2011 15:33 (eight years ago) link

Jenny - ultrabland is v nice! I've used and liked it in the past. I guess Cetaphil is my go to but I switch things up a lot.

Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Sunday, 6 November 2011 15:36 (eight years ago) link

I use Cetaphil or Cerave cleanser half the year, but I basically desiccate starting about now until April. How is the Cerave PM?

The hand battle... Dear god. It's endless. Q, what is your hand cream of choice? I like L'Occitaine.

They're coming to get you, (Jenny), Sunday, 6 November 2011 15:41 (eight years ago) link

oh god the hand battle :(

tehresa, Sunday, 6 November 2011 16:34 (eight years ago) link

My cuticles haven't recovered yet from the constant handwashing/hand sanitizer assault on them during my last job.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Sunday, 6 November 2011 16:37 (eight years ago) link

I try to hand moisturize at night so it can soak in, but it's not enough. I think I need to start drinking CRAZY amts of water, I don't know what else to do. I overwhelming prefer this weather to anything that happens between late June and early September, and my skin prefers it too and is the best in fall, but my hands get wet too often to survive.

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Sunday, 6 November 2011 16:42 (eight years ago) link

my face exploded this week. i have not had a breakout like this in as long as i can remember. i am sad.

tehresa, Sunday, 6 November 2011 16:55 (eight years ago) link

I keep this at my desk and reapply it PRN throughout the day: http://usa.loccitane.com/FO/shea-butter-nail-cuticle-cream.htm

They're coming to get you, (Jenny), Sunday, 6 November 2011 16:57 (eight years ago) link

There's no way I can justify spending $18 on cuticle cream right now, though.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:08 (eight years ago) link

try some olive oil, christine

just1n3, Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:13 (eight years ago) link

I do like the l'occitane shea butter hand cream! I had forgotten about that. But really, other than "I can tolerate the texture and smell vs. I cannot tolerate the texture and smell" hand cream issue, it really hasn't mattered ime. I think the only way I could possibly win the hand war is to keep them coated in a thick layer of vaseline under a pair of gloves 94/7.

quincie, Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:41 (eight years ago) link

Ha, yeah.

That cuticle cream is pricey, no doubt. The tube I have has lasted over a year, though, so there's that. I am always on the lookout for cheaper drugstore alternatives.

I sample sized tube of Bliss (I think? Is that a brand?) hand cream but it smells strongly enough that I feel bad using it in public. I keep a giant pump bottle of Jergins original scent at my desk so I can reapply every time I wash my hands. That helps, but it's not quite enough in the winter. I used to regularly do the moisturizer and gloves trick but I read a lot of ebooks on my iPad now, which is incomparable with nighttime hand moisturizing.

They're coming to get you, (Jenny), Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:46 (eight years ago) link

The idea of sleeping in gloves kind of weirds me out for no good reason. But I should try it, because not only do my hands look like those of someone twice my age, it *hurts* to have cracked/chapped hands!

quincie, Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:49 (eight years ago) link

And then you try to fix it with cream and the cream STINGS when you apply gah

quincie, Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:49 (eight years ago) link

Jeff always makes jokes about sleeping next to Minnie Mouse when I do it but it does help.

They're coming to get you, (Jenny), Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:51 (eight years ago) link

Also I get why that would weird you out. It's weird. I usually pull them off during the night (I am an inveterate nocturnal clothes puller offer though).

They're coming to get you, (Jenny), Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:52 (eight years ago) link

Hahaha I just envision waking up in the middle of the night and having the overwhelming urge to pop some jazz hands.

quincie, Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:53 (eight years ago) link

IRL LOL

They're coming to get you, (Jenny), Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:54 (eight years ago) link

And, another thing--hangnails and skin cracks can let germs into your body just like any other broken skin can. People have contracted some pretty nasty infections that way.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:56 (eight years ago) link

jenny, sew some contact wire into the fingertips of the gloves - then you can still use the touch screen

just1n3, Sunday, 6 November 2011 18:14 (eight years ago) link

i have a hard enough time sleeping with socks on, the gloves thing just freaks me out.

tehresa, Sunday, 6 November 2011 18:19 (eight years ago) link

aveeno is my preferred hand cream. very hydrating and absorbs quickly. i have a trace of psoraiasis on my hands but it's good for normal skin too.

jed_, Monday, 7 November 2011 17:43 (eight years ago) link

I can't sleep with socks on at all and there's no way I'd be able to do so with gloves.

I like the Ahava hand cream a lot but it smells sort of what I imagine diaper cream smelling like. It's not but bad it's just something I can't get past.

Crabtree and Evelyn Hand Therapy creams are really good. I still haven't found my holy grail handcream though. Still on the hunt and specifically for a good non-greasy one with SPF.

Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Monday, 7 November 2011 18:15 (eight years ago) link

Agree w you, jed--Aveeno is my favorite body lotion, hands down, no pun intended, still feels moisturized and supple at the end of the day when I get home from work (or the next morning!).

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Monday, 7 November 2011 18:17 (eight years ago) link

The Crabtree & Ev ones have a wonderful silky feel, I agree with that also.

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Monday, 7 November 2011 18:18 (eight years ago) link

That's what I like about them. It sinks in immediately and is so silky feeling.

Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Monday, 7 November 2011 18:20 (eight years ago) link

for ENBB: http://www.etsy.com/shop/amykarol?ref=pr_shop_more

^^ i got the balancing facial oil. i'm not sure how i feel about it yet. i've been doing the OCM nightly, followed by this face oil, avoiding getting my face wet in the morning shower and just dabbing a bit of vitamin e oil on, and using a neutrogena scrub every few days. my skin doesn't seem improved, i have some new dryness on my forehead and still clusters of blackheads near the corners of my mouth. i'm going to persist and see if this is a hump that i'll get over... i just want nice skin, damn it!

just1n3, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 03:02 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

pretty much sold on DDF restorative serum followed by moisturizing dew right now

I just got back from a dream attack (sunny successor), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 03:08 (seven years ago) link

i am considering a huge splurge on luxurious skincare products in the next month or so.

tehresa, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 03:27 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

KATE78 I need you!!!

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:28 (seven years ago) link

Remember a while ago when you so awesomely sent me those RetinA samples? I remember at the time I started using them and got a couple huge zits and it freaked me out so I didn't see it through and stopped using it.

Because I am now officially pretty old I figured I should start on some retinoids so bought a cream and have used it approx 3 times and all of a sudden I have two zits on each cheek! They're not awful but this is really unusual for me. I don't really get pimples anywhere except my chin area. It's awful and making me feel really bad to the point of wanting to stop the cream. This is normal though and will stop, right?

:(

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:30 (seven years ago) link

Yes, it is normal and will stop. The first 12 weeks or so of using retin-a/retinoid, your face will break out and look like hell, but stick with it! You may also notice some peeling/flaking. If that happens, maybe use it every other day to start and gently exfoliate. Use sunscreen. And as a reminder, retin-a is pregnancy category C drug, so it might be good to stop using it if you're gonna get knocked up.

kate78, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:36 (seven years ago) link

12 weeks

TWELVE WEEKS?!

That is a long time. I'm only using it 2x a week right now as is. Hmmmm.

Oh, lol, there's no way I'm getting knocked up anytime during that time frame at all but thanking you for the tip. :)

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:40 (seven years ago) link

Think of how lovely your skin will be! What are you using?
I think I sent you a link to this article before, but it's a good one: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/30/fashion/30skin.html

kate78, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:42 (seven years ago) link

Hmmmm, yeah. I will try to tough it out.

I don't know if it's even any good but I bought Green Cream. I think I saw Mandee rec it on an old thread somewhere.

http://www.dermstore.com/profile_Green+Cream_500391.htm

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:44 (seven years ago) link

Thank you, btw. :)

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:47 (seven years ago) link

No problem! Remember to use that shit on your neck and top-boobs, too. And if you want anything stronger, just let me know.

kate78, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:51 (seven years ago) link

hahaha top-boobs! I might be msging you for some advice in the near future if I need it. :)

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:54 (seven years ago) link

i have always been scared of retinoids after using retin-a in my teen years and remembering how harsh it was! maybe i need to start using something more advanced now that i am old bc my skin is just... not young anymore :(

tehresa, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:35 (seven years ago) link

I just washed my face and this is depressing! I am going to soldier on though because I want retinoids to work for me. Overall (and before this retinoid induced freakout) I think my skin still looks pretty good but I guess the goal is to keep it like that, right? I will keep you all updated. 12 weeks. I can do this.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:57 (seven years ago) link

What is this stuff meant to do?
I have been acquiring lots of skincare stuff recently, I now use at least 4 products morning and night (one is medicated stuff though)

kinder, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 03:40 (seven years ago) link

Retinoids are Vit A derivatives applied topically that are one of the few things actually really proven (by science!) to fight aging in skin. I believe they work by speeding up cell turnover leading to brighter skin and less fine lines etc. Retin A is the best but it's prescription strength and not sold OTC so it's expensive. There are less potent drugstore versions available, most notably the RoC line.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 11:34 (seven years ago) link

I bought this Neutrogena Ultra Gentle Soothing Lotion because I'm getting a little rosacea and my face is definitely red a lot and this shit stings and smells bad! Like, I put it on 30 minutes ago and it still stings! $15 down the drain!

Cerave 4 eva

carl agatha, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 12:42 (seven years ago) link

I was recommended to use a glycolic facewash by a skincare clinic (I also have rosacea) and after 2 days I have the same problem as ENBB: massive zits right on my cheeks where I don't usually get any, and all sore all over my face, just horrible and I don't know whether to push on or stop using it.

Also unknown as Zora (Surfing At Work), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 12:59 (seven years ago) link

take it back to the store!
xp

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 13:19 (seven years ago) link

glycolic acid is not recommended for rosacea because of just that kind of reaction!

i was reading about Tretinoin (aka Retin-A and other brand names) for rosacea too and it seems it can work but it's all about the low dosage (0.025%) and building up. like, don't use it every day, just 2-3x week at night, after waiting 20 minutes after washing your face. seems the generic version of the drug isn't that pricey, actually... but for sensitive skin it's all about what it's formulated with, e.g., alcohol vs water base (water all the way) or whatevs. i haven't gone to a doc about it yet, but will.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 13:23 (seven years ago) link

I threw away the box and the receipt and filled the bag with cat poop. :(

carl agatha, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 13:24 (seven years ago) link

actually, re: building up dosage with sensitive/rosacea skin, i also read that it's best just to stay at 0.025% if that's what works - don't let the doc persuade you to go up in %
xp
aw. well, maybe a friend will take it.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 13:25 (seven years ago) link

Oh, crap. I too have binned my receipts and the facewash was £25, will not trust stupid high-end skincare clinic again, fo sho.

Rosacea makes me IA.

Also unknown as Zora (Surfing At Work), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:11 (seven years ago) link

I don't have any fine lines or wrinkles, I just have blackheads and enlarged pores. (Welcome to the strange world of oily skin.)

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:24 (seven years ago) link

rosacea is some serious bs. and it's still kind of a "mystery," so most dermatologists and facialists don't know how to address it. like it could be bacterial, vascular, digestive-system related, etc. I find that if I eat in a low-carb low-sugar way, my skin is less inflamed. Cetaphil *bar soap* is my standby for face washing - i have tried so many things and this is the best, occasionally alternated with gentle face wash of different kinds. am currently using Spectroderm moisturizer and it's pretty good!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:27 (seven years ago) link

I don't have any fine lines or wrinkles yet either but that's why I want to start the Retin-A now - so I don't get them any time soon!

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:27 (seven years ago) link

they say retin-a/retinol is specifically good for the blackheads and enlarged pores!
xps

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:29 (seven years ago) link

I believe that it was first used to treat acne before anything else. Derms noticed that in addition to clearer skin, patients also got brighter and smooth skin as a "side-effect" which is how it came to be prescribed as an anti-aging treatment as well. Basically if you read any article where dermatologists are asked what is the one thing women can do for themselves in terms of preventative skincare they all say it is to use a retinoid. My mom used Retin-A for years (which I think she was prescribed initially for adult acne) and literally looked like 10 years younger than she was until she hit about 70.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:35 (seven years ago) link

I have fine lines, wrinkles, blackheads, enlarged pores, pimples, pustules, dry patches and random-ass red blemishes. I break out if I get stressed, get embarrassed, eat too much sugar, eat too much acidic fruit, go out in the sun, don't go out in the sun, wash with the wrong soap, wear perfume, wear foundation, have periods.

It does seem to be connected to anxiety, because I also do the hypersensitive blushing thing when I'm stressed, and nervous sweating, and I have insomnia and IBS.

A timely reminder about the diet rrobyn, I need to get a handle on my winter sugar & carbs addiction. I've just read a suggestion on a rosacea forum about using antihistamines so I'll give that a whirl too! it sweems like a less risky option than any of the topical treatments.

Also unknown as Zora (Surfing At Work), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:36 (seven years ago) link

Maybe I'll look into it next fall/winter when I don't want to be in the sun. Because I plan on turning a nice golden color between May and August if at all possible.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:38 (seven years ago) link

sweems = seems

Also unknown as Zora (Surfing At Work), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:38 (seven years ago) link

I like Lush Fresh Farmacy soap - http://www.lushusa.com/Fresh-Farmacy/00077,en_US,pd.html?start=8&cgid=cleansers - in the shower, and Ultra Bland at night - http://www.lushusa.com/Ultra-Bland/9999902749,en_US,pd.html?start=11&cgid=cleansers (I've rebought this three times since I posted about it originally). I usually use Cetphil Giant Tub O'Cream in the winter and Cerave lotion in the summer, and those work really well. I just got pulled in by the siren song of this new Neutrogena stuff. Hmph.

The lady who waxes my eyebrows is always trying to sell me on this calm skin moisturizer from Eminence but holy jesus is it expensive. I just can't do it.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:54 (seven years ago) link

I really like Ultrabland too. I haven't used it in years but I remember it being really good.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:55 (seven years ago) link

I love it so much. I can't overstate how dry my skin gets in the winter, so it is miraculous to me. Plus it takes makeup off really well.

Oh, I got a sample of this from Sephora and it dried out my face like whoa for a day, and then it was all pink and smooth and glowy - http://www.philosophy.com/skincare-exfoliatorsandpeels/microdelivery-peel-product.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 14:56 (seven years ago) link

I like that peel. Btw alla you smug apple cheeks can have some of my fine lines and wrinkles, they're up for grabs.

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 15:13 (seven years ago) link

Lush is some great stuff.

kate78, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:31 (seven years ago) link

Jenny, that Lush soap intrigues me! I've been using a bergamot bar that's meant for "men", I think, cos the scent isn't very floral and I love it, but I think something more soothing would actually be better.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:35 (seven years ago) link

my husb sent me this link about lush shampoo, which got me thinking about lush face products - i never knew much about them before, always thought they were just a stinky soap place?!

just1n3, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:38 (seven years ago) link

i used the solid shampoo when i had super short (1") hair. it's ok.

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:38 (seven years ago) link

I have also used the solid shampoo and also thought it was just OK. I love Lush for all the reasons that woman stated in her article but, as much as I wish it weren't the case, their hair stuff just doesn't work for me. I'll rep for all kinds of their shower/bath and body care stuff but my hair has never taken well to any of their shampoos or conditioners.

Another face product that is great from Lush is "Angels on Bare Skin".

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:51 (seven years ago) link

I wonder if neem would have any effect on rosacea. I use the leaf extract for all kinds of skin/scalp redness/itching/inflammation and it seems to work well for most of it. Also kills yeast trouble.

Jaq, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:51 (seven years ago) link

Um okay so reading that link to the Lush shampoo also led me to the discussion of keratosis pilaris in the comments, and if I'm judging correctly from the GIS, I get that sometimes. Also some the redness and outbreaky-ness that I fight all the time may not actually be "whiteheads" specif, it may just be little red bumps for no reason. So maybe I'll try a whole different approach from the washing-and-sterilizing one that I usually take? Starting on Friday when I get paid and can shop online for all this stuff. I'm out of everything, anyway, so it's good.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:55 (seven years ago) link

I like some Lush shampoo (using Sarah Sylvia Stout now, which I like, but I don't wash my hair very often so I could probably use anything). I dislike all of their conditioners.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 17:29 (seven years ago) link

Cetaphil creams are pretty great–I use the anti-eczema stuff on my body and it makes a noticeable difference.

I seem to have tried every face cream that's remotely affordable to me, and it seems like all of them suck for my complexion. I use lush dream cream on my face, and that seems to do okay as long as I scrubbed with my nutri sonic. That seems to make a big difference in the flakiness issues I have with my face.

I sometimes wonder about retinoids and the like, because my mother used those as well and always looked a decade younger. Now that she's nearly 70, she's starting to look more her age.

But my skin is so miserably flaky already. Bah.

JuliaA, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 17:43 (seven years ago) link

Laurel do you mean keratosis pilaris on your upper arms? That's really common and I think that lotions with lactic acid in them (like http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/catalog/shop_product_detail.jsp?filterBy=&skuId=367156&productId=367156&navAction=jump&navCount=3) are supposed to help.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 18:20 (seven years ago) link

I get it on my arms occasionally although I exfoliate like a madwoman which helps keep it away. But also I get outbreaks of pointy little red spots that aren't really "whiteheads" but have a little inflammation in them but never turn into blackheads...like they are outside of the normal life cycle of pimples...and I get them all over my neck & shoulders & behind my ears and stuff. They're the reason I can't wear perfume and why I have to be super careful to not get hairspray or styling products on my skin.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 18:36 (seven years ago) link

for keratosis pilaris lactic acid lotions are great, but also try coating your arms in vaseline and wrapping them in plastic wrap overnight. no shit.

kate78, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 19:24 (seven years ago) link

i had that on my arms when i was in highschool and through some of university - the urea or lactic acid creams really do work, but so did using the cetaphil soap or a soap for babies or just a natural olive-oil based soap + shower puff thing

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:30 (seven years ago) link

lush doesn't really work for me...

i think eating an avocado a day does though! seriously! avocado is a miracle food. i also think that bc it's so filling and satisfying and bc i put salt on it, i have no craving for chips or other carby snacks or sugar even. avocados!!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:32 (seven years ago) link

When I was a teen I started getting keratosis pilaris on my upper arms and my grandmother mixed salt with some water and rubbed it on my arms everyday. She said to use sugar and water and other times baking soda and water until it goes away.Once gone then use a bath brush when I shower and scrub. She said I had tough skin hence the keratosis pilaris and could stand to use a brush in the shower. I did what she said and it went away.

In college it came back and I saw a dermatologist who gave me lactic acid cream and that made it worse. I just went back to what my grandmother said and it worked. Since then I don't have a problem as long as I use a good bath soap and brush. Every now and then I will do a few days of sugar or salt scrub just because I love how it feels.

rrrobyn, avacodos are the best!

*tera, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 22:32 (seven years ago) link

Has anyone been successful using Derma E products? Like their anti-wrinkle creams and anti-aging products?

*tera, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 22:35 (seven years ago) link

i definitely get that on my arms! gonna try one of those lotions. exfoliating does nothing for me.

tehresa, Thursday, 15 March 2012 00:01 (seven years ago) link

Cerave is my favorite moisturizer! *high fives Jenny*

I have been a periodic Retin-A user for I dunno, twenty years or so. I am not very wrinkly, but do have sun spots, broken capillaries, old acne scars. . . I don't break out much anymore thanks to spironolactone, and I can tolerate a 20% vitamin C serum in the a.m. and either Retin-A or an AHA cream in the evening (if I manage to take off my makeup and apply said product in the evening, which is admittedly hit-or-miss). Retin-A micro .04% is the least irritating IMO, but even then I can't use it more than three times a week!

Thanks to some other thread I am now rubbing coconut oil into spouse's upper arms for his KP! Have not been consistent, so hard to say if it is helpful or not. Makes me kinda hungry.

quincie, Thursday, 15 March 2012 00:08 (seven years ago) link

the smell of the coconut oil, I mean. not the spouse's KP.

quincie, Thursday, 15 March 2012 00:09 (seven years ago) link

xp rrrobyn - YES to avocados, as many as possible. With pepper as well as salt.

ljubljana, Thursday, 15 March 2012 00:11 (seven years ago) link

I just bought an avocado today! But it is not yet ripe, so I will have to be patient :(

One of the few things I miss about my time in Texas is the availability of CHEAP (like, 5 for a buck) and awesome avocados. Even at the HMart, those fuckers cost over a buck and a half each in the DC area.

quincie, Thursday, 15 March 2012 00:19 (seven years ago) link

I had avocados in my shrimp tacos tonight. So good.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 15 March 2012 00:21 (seven years ago) link

Quincie, they are going down...64 cents each but not yet at the 5 for $1.

*tera, Thursday, 15 March 2012 00:24 (seven years ago) link

I know I'm repeating myself but it's so cheap and good: corn meal mixed with honey is my favorite scrub in the world. All commercial scrubs now seem too complicated and not scrubby enough for me.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Thursday, 15 March 2012 01:01 (seven years ago) link

Corn meal and honey! I usually do either sugar and olive oil or salt and olive oil but will have to try cornmeal.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 15 March 2012 01:05 (seven years ago) link

I don't think either my skin or my shower could handle the extra oil in an oil scrub--my sister had a fancy one that I tried by accident and had to wash with soap twice afterward to get the horrible residue off. I'm sure yours isn't like this but I just don't trust it.

The cornmeal and honey doesn't need any oil b/c the cornmeal doesn't dissolve in water so you can keep scrubbing away. I make it in a little dish and then put it in the fridge between showers so no bugs find it (because of the honey), but if you have a lid you can keep it in the shower for weeks. It won't spoil!

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Thursday, 15 March 2012 01:19 (seven years ago) link

Oh see I like the residue!! Even if I don't do a scrub I will bring a cup of olive oil into the shower with me and put that on just before get out and towel off instead of using a moisturizer. I'm talking strictly body here - not face - in case that wasn't clear.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 15 March 2012 02:24 (seven years ago) link

Ah dammit I forgot to bookmark this thread! My mum has rosacea so I probably have it mildly. I got my o/h the Lush ocean salt scrub for occasional exfoliating and it is amazing. I only use it every couple of weeks or so but it makes my face soooo soft.

kinder, Thursday, 15 March 2012 03:18 (seven years ago) link

(and I've used other exfoliators before which were fine but nothing compared to this)

kinder, Thursday, 15 March 2012 03:21 (seven years ago) link

You guys salt scrubs are so easy to make -- not worth buying EVER. Just get some epsom salts + regular food salt + jojoba oil and scent it as you wish. It's just that easy.

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Thursday, 15 March 2012 03:47 (seven years ago) link

add some chunky sea salt if you're flaky! add some fine kosher salt if you're kosher, drop some smelly oils in there, let it sit for a week, poof.

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Thursday, 15 March 2012 03:48 (seven years ago) link

Beblesh creams. What are they, what is the big fracking deal?

It looks like each formulation only comes in ONE skin tone color, should this worry me? I want the orange bottle formula, but that color is way different in this review.

http://prettycuteblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/skin79-super-bleblesh-balm.html

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Friday, 16 March 2012 15:56 (seven years ago) link

Lauren is normally my derma advisor but she's not online today.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Friday, 16 March 2012 15:57 (seven years ago) link

I can't cope with the word "beblesh."

carl agatha, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:02 (seven years ago) link

My coworkers rave about that stuff - they order it off eBay IIRC.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:05 (seven years ago) link

I've only done a quick Google survey of the results of a search for the word "beblesh," but I have to say that it sounds like a lot of hype, mostly because nobody ever actually says what the hell it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB_cream

That is not helpful either. Also LOL at "it provided a solution to a common skin problem for many Asians: impure skin."

carl agatha, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:07 (seven years ago) link

God I know. The claims are ridiculous and unintelligible, also they all promise "whitening" which worries (and offends!) me. And yet, sensible people who take good care of their skin are INSANE for the stuff??

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:16 (seven years ago) link

lol @ "beblesh" I haven't heard that before. I've just heard BB, Beauty Balm or Blemish Balm.

I bought the Garnier one. It's OK. I guess the whole idea is that it's primer, foundation, moisturizing cream and SPF all in one. If you use all those things separately than I can see how it would probably be a big improvement. I mean it's nice but I wouldn't rush to get it again necessarily.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:16 (seven years ago) link

I believe the "whitening" thing on the asian creams is a mistranslation. I think they mean it in the way we mean "brightening". I read that somewhere but can't remember where. The whole deal with them is basically that they put like 5 products in one.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:18 (seven years ago) link

Oh and some have blemish fighting things in them I guess. The Garnier one doesn't but some of the foreign ones do.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:19 (seven years ago) link

I have no clue what any of you are talking about -- all of this shit takes so much time and research! blech.

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:20 (seven years ago) link

I like reading about this stuff.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:21 (seven years ago) link

Okay I'm going to order the orange bottle for oily skin and report back! Apparently this brand gets the sun protection from physical sunblocks like zinc oxide instead of chemical blocks, which I'm eager to try.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:24 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, let us know. I'd be interested in hearing how one of the actual Asian ones works since I get the feeling the ones coming on the American/US markets now are sort of BB cream the lite version.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:28 (seven years ago) link

this month's vanity fair has a page on skin care recs from dermatologists (aka advertising) and talks about Dr Brandt's Flexitone BB Cream with SPF 30 - i lolled at "... to completely hide your flaws while your skin is being re-engineered and repaired under the surface." images of Fraggle Rock's doozers under my skin does not make me want to buy this.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:12 (seven years ago) link

hahahaha THAT IS NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

carl agatha, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:22 (seven years ago) link

In moments of weakness I wonder about creams that are supposed to even out skin tones, though I doubt that they do anything. I have discoloration around my mouth which nobody else notices, but I'm sensitive about it.

(When it 1st happened my mother, who is extremely detail oriented and sometimes tactless, said something about how I looked like someone had punched me in the mouth. Thanks Mom! It turns out that pregnant women and some women on birth control have this sort of discoloration)

JuliaA, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:27 (seven years ago) link

I have a weird blob of discolouration up on my cheekbone that appeared a couple of years ago, I'm not sure if that's due to BC. It's easy enough to cover where it is but I am annoyed that yet another stupid skin thing appeared to add to my woes.

kinder, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:46 (seven years ago) link

BB cream will re-engineer discoloration away, don't worry!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:48 (seven years ago) link

i'm pretty stoked on the idea of retin-a/tretinoin but not quite stoked enough to get myself to the doctor about it yet... next week...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:49 (seven years ago) link

on man, robyn, if I still lived in Canada, I coulda sent you some!

kate78, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:04 (seven years ago) link

lol, are you a underground pharmacist? ;)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:09 (seven years ago) link

I'm a nurse who currently works in derm a d gets lotsa samples.
So yes, an underground pharmacist.

kate78, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:21 (seven years ago) link

omg
i too wish you still lived in canada!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:50 (seven years ago) link

damn, I wish we still lived in the same place, k8! my skin needs help!

tehresa, Saturday, 17 March 2012 03:24 (seven years ago) link

i was in sephora a week ago buying a brightening cleanser (DDF - it's great) and it seemed like they suddenly had a ton of bb cream/brightening products. i might try shiseido white lucent but not until the fall so i won't be out in the sun too much while using it.

for weird discolorations i totally recommend clinique's clinical dark spot corrector. but you have to be patient and keep using it every day. it takes several months (or even longer) to show results. it did work for me though, i felt like i had a weird darker spot on my face from using brightening cleanser and then getting too much sun a few times, so i use the clinique stuff as a spot treatment in morning/evening and it has helped a lot.

and i'm not trying to change my skin tone any, i'm stuck being very pale no matter what - the brightening stuff seems to really help with not having flat, dull skin.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Saturday, 17 March 2012 03:46 (seven years ago) link

I have dull, pale skin! Perhaps I will try this.

tehresa, Saturday, 17 March 2012 04:51 (seven years ago) link

How drying is it?

tehresa, Saturday, 17 March 2012 04:51 (seven years ago) link

I really liked what vitamin C serum did for me a few years back, when I didn't need it so much. I'd like to start using it again, does anyone have a favorite brand? I used a sample from my esty, can't remember what it was.

I used Pevonia Botanica Enzyme-Spherides Peeling Creme and loved the results. Yet something else I'd like to get back to.

Tried Pevonia Botanica Glycolic Acid and couldn't stand the itchy red patches it caused. Maybe I was misusing it.

Now that I don't work, I have noticed that I just don't look in the mirror as much. The lights in the bathroom of my old job always made me look like I needed work so I was more invested in my skin. Pregnancy though has done awesome things to my skin but I fear it all tumbling down like a fragile house of cards once the baby comes.

*tera, Saturday, 17 March 2012 05:43 (seven years ago) link

xpost - ddf cleanser, it depends i guess? i haven't found it to be drying.. my skin is a little oily though! (using tinted moisturizer instead of foundation also contributes to this)

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Saturday, 17 March 2012 05:44 (seven years ago) link

I love ddf! That's one of my company's products so I have a few. Their moisturizer makes my face feel great.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 17 March 2012 15:45 (seven years ago) link

I was looking at the Clinique stuff and its reviews and saw:

“Highly recommend if no medical causes of dark spots.”

I know that my hyperpigmentation is medical. Dammit.

But those sorts of serums are so expensive anyway.

JuliaA, Saturday, 17 March 2012 16:54 (seven years ago) link

I've heard good things about clinique's pore stuffs. Anyone have any experience with them? My pores are hueg.

tehresa, Saturday, 17 March 2012 17:28 (seven years ago) link

Big self-improvement/pampering day today. Two masks (drying, then calming), a pore strip, a self-administered two-tone manicure with this deeply shiny topcoat called Seche Vite, then some eyebrow darkening. This is for a party tonight that will be full of stylish people glamming it up. (You cannot do "too much" for this crowd: the last time I saw them, the hostess was wearing an allover gold sequined mini-dress.) Now, what to WEAR??

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Saturday, 17 March 2012 20:46 (seven years ago) link

Seche Vite is totally awesome (the quick dry one), as is POSHE. Did not realize quick-dry, badass shiny topcoats could actully convince me that doing nails is worth doing.

That said, I have not done my nails in, like, months.

quincie, Saturday, 17 March 2012 21:21 (seven years ago) link

"That said, I have not done my nails in, like, months."
Ditto!

*tera, Saturday, 17 March 2012 21:57 (seven years ago) link

The fancy Walgreens by my work has $10 manicures. My nails are did.

carl agatha, Saturday, 17 March 2012 22:46 (seven years ago) link

Had no idea there were fancy Walgreens.

*tera, Sunday, 18 March 2012 02:11 (seven years ago) link

Crazy!

*tera, Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:44 (seven years ago) link

It's pretty cool.

carl agatha, Sunday, 18 March 2012 12:29 (seven years ago) link

I used to fuss a lot about my skin but a few years back I got a really soft brush for the face and just use it in the shower every day. So much for $50 "brighteners"! I use that stuff for special occasions now.

went to the doctor and got this rx that i ran out of ages ago and have been dumb about going back to the doctor for and consequently have been breaking out for months - clindoxyl gel (clindamycin + benzoyl peroxide) - this stuff works like a damn. it's pricey though, like $60 here, so prob more in the US. but whatevs, it works.

i also got tretinoin gel 0.025% (generic retin-A etc)- this stuff is cheap! $27! there are boring old face creams that cost this much and don't work! i'm going to use it super sparingly at first... i got the alcohol-based gel, which gives me fear, but the cream is full of stuff that i might react to, but i can try it if this doesn't work. anyway. feel like i'm experimenting on self but hey what else in new...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:28 (seven years ago) link

p.s. just fyi, even thought it's "free" to go to the doctor in canada, going to a drop-in clinic, and even going to yr doc if you have an appointment, takes hours. ugh. so glad it's still light and warm outside right now.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:29 (seven years ago) link

(Obv of your insurance covers drugs, this is all less $)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:44 (seven years ago) link

that is a pretty low dose of tretinoin.

kate78, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:26 (seven years ago) link

I use something 4 times as strong on my face.

kate78, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:26 (seven years ago) link

I kind of want a clarisonic. Any thoughts, Kate? Ps just emailed u. :)

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:46 (seven years ago) link

Yeah I've been thinking about the olay version, since it's way cheaper - everything I've read says they're amazing??

just1n3, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:05 (seven years ago) link

Yeah I was thinking of getting the olay too. I know! People seem to LOVE them.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:07 (seven years ago) link

I use a nutri sonic, got it the Christmas before last. It makes a noticeable difference in my complexion–I have never found anything exfoliating that worked for my skin without irritating it (and even with skin irritation, nothing exfoliated decently!). This does. I use it a couple times a week, and the one time I tried going without for a while my skin was awful.

From what I've read, the olay version is pretty much the same thing. And of course it's much more affordable.

JuliaA, Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:05 (seven years ago) link

I have extremely sensitive rosacea-acne skin and that's the % recommended - there's even a 0.01% version!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:06 (seven years ago) link

I like the idea of these brushes, like putting your face through a car wash.
(I love car washes!)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 23 March 2012 12:16 (seven years ago) link

anyone got any lipbalm recs? this whole winter my lips have been chapped and cracking and i want my face back

uh oh i'm having an emotion (c sharp major), Friday, 23 March 2012 14:14 (seven years ago) link

weleda lipbalm is A+, best I've tried.

JuliaA, Friday, 23 March 2012 14:40 (seven years ago) link

The spherical Eos ones are incredible imo.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 23 March 2012 15:06 (seven years ago) link

I'm digging Sugar lip balms a lot. Pricey though.

carl agatha, Friday, 23 March 2012 15:08 (seven years ago) link

I've never liked those. They are too slippery for my taste. Not thick enough, I guess. They smell really wonderful though.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 23 March 2012 15:10 (seven years ago) link

My BB 3-in-1 face stuff is too pale/flat/cool for my skin color. :( And it only comes in one shade, which is mystifying. They also sent a sample of the other two formulas, which are in other colors. Maybe one of those will work because I like the amt of coverage and moisturizing and sunblock all together, it just makes me a funny mask.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 23 March 2012 15:16 (seven years ago) link

:/ That was the main reason I never ordered any. I was worried about the color not matching.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 23 March 2012 15:17 (seven years ago) link

Could you add a drop or two of a pigmented foundation to it? I know, not the point, but better than wasting money. In the winter I mix skin cream and foundation because my pale skin is more pale than most foundations :P

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 23 March 2012 15:26 (seven years ago) link

Was thinking of that, will try this eve. It just means I always have to carry around both items, but maybe I'll squeeze them into a little pot for travel.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 23 March 2012 15:27 (seven years ago) link

Now's a good chance to deploy any too-dark foundations you may have! Heh.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 23 March 2012 15:27 (seven years ago) link

re: lips - I know i've preached the gospel of lanolin before, but it is the best when your lips seem beyond help - I buy the stuff in the baby aisle of the drugstore - it's for cracked nipples! And then I put some of it into a little container, of course. You can also buy it from health food stores or places that sell diy hippie-beauty supplies.

I also love Aveda renewing lip treatment, tho it is like $16. It's just oils and wax but it's good. All petrolatum/vaselin products destroy my lips, so...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 23 March 2012 16:06 (seven years ago) link

Chapstick, always and forever.

kate78, Friday, 23 March 2012 16:08 (seven years ago) link

Burt's Bees is my go-to, although I realize not everyone reacts well to the mint and stuff.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 23 March 2012 16:10 (seven years ago) link

Lanolin's great, but some people are allergic (also problematic animal product for some others). I use shea butter from Pre du Provence, comes in a little tin or a tube. If things are super awful, cracked and peeling, Blistex ointment, slathered on multiple times, really helps smooth things out. Then revert back to a balm.

Jaq, Friday, 23 March 2012 16:16 (seven years ago) link

I have had real trouble with my lips this winter, too. even the kind of medicated stuff from the store didn't do much - it just sits there and feels thick and after half an hour they feel cracked again. I got this lanolin stuff from my mum (recommended by Sali Hughes on the Guardian) called Lanolips Lemonaid. It's the best I've tried so far and it's all lemony! But I still need to apply it fairly often. I didn't know about lanolin from the drugstore - I might try that!

kinder, Friday, 23 March 2012 18:11 (seven years ago) link

also try making sure you are drinking lots of water! you can dry out from the inside.

Paul Smon (La Lechera), Friday, 23 March 2012 19:01 (seven years ago) link

I don't use lanolin because it grosses me out but it's supposed to be wonderful and I have heard good things about that Lanolips stuff.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 23 March 2012 19:03 (seven years ago) link

I can't say it's changed my life but it's p good.

kinder, Friday, 23 March 2012 19:15 (seven years ago) link

i got a free duo of fresh sugar balms for my birthday from sephora. the tinted one is really nice because the shade adds a v natural tint to my lips. very smooth and great smell but i don't know if there's any long term treatment effect from using it :(

tehresa, Friday, 23 March 2012 22:46 (seven years ago) link

They give you birthday stuff?! i have over 100 'points' but their things you get for that right now aren't very intersting :(

kinder, Friday, 23 March 2012 23:06 (seven years ago) link

i got an email around my birthday with the offer!

tehresa, Friday, 23 March 2012 23:07 (seven years ago) link

Yeah everyone with a Sephora card can go in and get the birthday gift two weeks before or after their birthday. It used to be Philosophy shower gel but I think they changed to the lip balms at the start of this year.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 23 March 2012 23:11 (seven years ago) link

I wish they just had a page that tells you what you get with 100 points. I keep having to fake-buy something to see what it is. Is it the same birthday gift all year?

kinder, Friday, 23 March 2012 23:14 (seven years ago) link

I think it is, yeah. Your point perk page idea is really good.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 23 March 2012 23:17 (seven years ago) link

It's always worth it to wait for the 500 point perk, IMO.

I got the Sugar lip balms as a Sephora birthday gift, too, then I bought a rose one. I've about used all three of them up, actually.

carl agatha, Friday, 23 March 2012 23:26 (seven years ago) link

the 500 point perk idea is hard for me to think about without feeling guilty because it translates to sooooo much money spent at sephora.

tehresa, Saturday, 24 March 2012 03:20 (seven years ago) link

^^ exactly! Also there is a chance I will be moving out of the US before my birthday and definitely before I get 500 points. Can't believe there's still no Sephora in the UK >:(

kinder, Saturday, 24 March 2012 05:15 (seven years ago) link

There isn't? There was! When I lived in London there was a Sephora in the shopping center by the Angel tube stop. This was 2003-2005. I guess I assumed it was still there but I just looked and it seems like they shut down all the UK ones. :/ TBF some of the bigger nicer Boots are almost like Sephoras and they do 2 for 3 offers all the time!

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 13:33 (seven years ago) link

I remember the first one I ever went in btw. It must have been like 1997 and just before they opened in the US. I'd read about them in magazines so stopped in one on the Champs-Elysees when I was in Paris that summer. Since CVS had been my only source of girly stuff before then I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. I could have spent hours in there but was with my grandmother so just grabbed some eye pencils and left.

I have never been patient enough to wait for the 500 pt perk.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 13:38 (seven years ago) link

Paris was my first Sephora too!

ljubljana, Saturday, 24 March 2012 14:08 (seven years ago) link

:)

wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 24 March 2012 14:08 (seven years ago) link

Somehow I have started lip chewing, which is new for me, but once you start it is hard to stop!

Hoping DC humidity will fix the peeling lips thing. I only nibble if there are peelies :(

quincie, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:56 (seven years ago) link

Anyone tried Salma Hayek's product line yet?

*tera, Monday, 26 March 2012 06:07 (seven years ago) link

saw that at cvs yesterday! instead I got the generic amlactin in hopes of better arms one day

tehresa, Monday, 26 March 2012 20:41 (seven years ago) link

Been using grapeseed oil as a moisturizer since I ran out of cocoa butter and so did the store. It isn't stuff I bought in the skin and body care aisle, it's actually food grade Pompeian. Anyway it was supposed to be a two or three day thing until the store restocked but I"m seeing amazing results. It gets absorbed really fast and makes me silky smooth. I am not crazy about the natural scent though. Hope to get an essential oil for that. But I Googled it and apparently the oil has pretty awesome qualities.

*tera, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 05:55 (seven years ago) link

my lips are so dry right now due to a combination of drinking from a plastic water bottle too much over the past several days (traveling, workshops, etc), accidentally getting my rx face treatments on my upper lip, being in a plane and not drinking enough water. it hurts :( lanolin is fixing it slowly but complaining about it on ils might help too, haha

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 29 March 2012 03:32 (seven years ago) link

my skin in general is def still getting better tho :)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 29 March 2012 03:34 (seven years ago) link

Hey Kinder if you go to the Sephora site, scroll to the bottom abd click beta site, you will see an offers link on the beta site that shows you what is available for your points.

fine with 49 (sunny successor), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:47 (seven years ago) link

Aha! Thanks!

kinder, Friday, 30 March 2012 01:30 (seven years ago) link

my DDF dew finally arrived. My skin has been freaking out without it.

Dont you hate when your moisturizer is packaged in one of those opaque squirt bottles so you never know you've run out until one morning a tiny little splat comes out and then nothing. such bullshit.

fine with 49 (sunny successor), Friday, 6 April 2012 06:39 (seven years ago) link

yes!

wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 6 April 2012 10:32 (seven years ago) link

The worst!

tehresa, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:46 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Okay, I have joined the Cult of Coconut Oil. Love the hell out of it as eye makeup remover and nighttime moisturizer (too heavy for day). Plus I smell like a macaroon and I want to lick my own face.

Oh also, tried homemade toner (1/4 to 1/3 apple cider vinegar (the hippie unfiltered stuff), water) and I really like it. I had to dilute it more because at the 1/3 strength it dried me out and the smell isn't for everybody, but I'm pleased (I also like the smell - smells like sour beer).

Correlation is not causation and all but after these two changes my face is really well moisturized and soft and even and, I dont know this sounds creepy, but all supple looking.

Peace and love,
Starflower Moonbeam Free Wolf

carl agatha, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 02:12 (seven years ago) link

lol <3

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 02:37 (seven years ago) link

I'm beginning to think this stuff is all snake oil.

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 03:06 (seven years ago) link

That's why I got all excited about using salad dressing ingredients on my face. It's cheap and I feel like I'm sticking it to the Skincare Industrial Complex.

Oh the coconut oil is good as eye cream, too. I just smear it on my eyes when I'm putting it on the rest of my face (some people on MUA claimed it made their eyelashes thicker, but I do not want anything to make any hair on my face any thicker. I do not need more chin hairs to contend with). I tried using just jojoba oil as a daytime moisturizer, but it was too light. I mix it with some good old Cerave and that works great.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 12:35 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Anyone use Skinceuticals C E Ferulic?

*tera, Friday, 15 June 2012 20:42 (seven years ago) link

I use the knockoff you get on Amazon!

quincie, Friday, 15 June 2012 21:19 (seven years ago) link

what do the "guys of ilx" (best-selling calendar) use?

i tend to go clinique moisturiser and number 7 spf.

ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Sunday, 17 June 2012 08:28 (seven years ago) link

Kiehl's Facial Fuel (SPF 15) and then crazy strong suncream when the summer is out. I am very white.

recordbreaking transfer to Lucknow FC (seandalai), Sunday, 17 June 2012 11:59 (seven years ago) link

i use kiehl's facial fuel ant wrinkle cream, eye alert and age combat serum as well as their midnight recovery serum and eye gel before bed. haha. i use the number 7 mens eye roller too. i find clinique not hydrating enough but i suppose it depends what your skin is like. my pal who works for clinique doesn't rate their moisturisers either though.

jed_, Sunday, 17 June 2012 16:00 (seven years ago) link

I use the Nivea stuff they sell at target (blue goop, grainy white goop twice a week) and moisturizer/sunscreen when I go outdoors. I have no idea what I'm doing and my skin is dry and flaky as hell, but I'm not really sure where to turn for advice without getting upsold on expensive stuff I don't really need.

muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Friday, 22 June 2012 01:04 (seven years ago) link

Try cetaphil or the walgreens knock-off - their cleanser and moisturizer are both really gentle and good for dryness.

just1n3, Friday, 22 June 2012 02:53 (seven years ago) link

seconded, or cerave.

tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 12:03 (seven years ago) link

Thirded. Plus if your skin is dry and flaky, you probably need moisturizer every day and not just when you go outside.

carl agatha, Friday, 22 June 2012 14:52 (seven years ago) link

love cerave!

quincie, Friday, 22 June 2012 15:10 (seven years ago) link

i like it better than cetaphil!

tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:04 (seven years ago) link

Are you guys talking the cleanser or the moisturizer? I have been using Cetaphil SPF 30 facial moisturizer and it's OK but maybe a little too thick for summer. I need a good facial moisturizer wtih SPF for every day wear. Any recs?

Oh, btw, after a fairly awful couple of months I am now loving the Retin-A.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 22 June 2012 18:09 (seven years ago) link

i was thinking of the cleanser.

tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:14 (seven years ago) link

i have been using a bliss moisturizer u got at tjmaxx for cheap. it's only spf 15 but i figure my makeup is also spf so it's ok? probably wishful thinking.

tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:16 (seven years ago) link

*i got

tehresa, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:16 (seven years ago) link

cerave makes a facial moisturizer with spf which is okay, but i don't like it as much as the regular cerave lotion, which i use on my face (don't know if i'm supposed to but whatev.) E, I really like this moisturizer with SPF. it's supposed to be one of the sunscreens that isn't going to kill you with carcinogenic chemicals or whatever. it's also a very good moisturizer.

horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:21 (seven years ago) link

Devita Solar Protective Moisturizer with SPF 30 is what it's called, in case that link doesn't work.

horseshoe, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:25 (seven years ago) link

My skin suddenly looks superwrinkly when I smile, I know I'm getting older but it is weird! Maybe I just haven't looked in a mirror in a few years? I am almost 37 and really thin so I guess this is not unexpected. And I got a lot of sun last weekend, maybe that is the suddenness explained. Still, product suggestions appreciated. I do not usually get a lot of sun but I might this summer. And I hate sunscreen, it burns my eyes and feels terrible and I break out.

teeny, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:37 (seven years ago) link

I can't use the cetaphil spf - it makes my skin sting and if it gets near my eyes it hurts like crazy. I bought some neutrogena 50spf but I only used it a couple times before I managed to fucking lose it.

just1n3, Friday, 22 June 2012 19:05 (seven years ago) link

I'm going to give Cerave a try, I think.

I spent years doing Clinique 3 Step, but finally figured out a while ago that all that toner has screwed up my skin I think? I mean, no wrinkles but I'm forever pink-faced now without makeup and it kinda bums me out. I always had 'high color' but now it's pretty much permanent. I've been on Olay for a while but it's too drying.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 June 2012 23:51 (seven years ago) link

i really recommend the neutragena baby line...i am using the sunblock lotion spf 60 and it did not sting even when i was sweating at boot camp class this morning. i haven't tried it for everyday, under makeup use though.

tehresa, Saturday, 23 June 2012 00:27 (seven years ago) link

Cerave purchased

(also Fekkai hairstuff 3pack bcs why not)

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 June 2012 01:25 (seven years ago) link

fancy!

tehresa, Saturday, 23 June 2012 02:21 (seven years ago) link

CVS is my new Macy's lol

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 June 2012 02:21 (seven years ago) link

Cerave wins! 3 days and my face is not itchy, and doesn't feel half as bright pink as it usually does by this time of the day.

also I know this isn't the hair thread but seriously, having glossy hair makes me feel like I bought a whole new wardrobe. yay my hair looks semi-nice again.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 June 2012 23:45 (seven years ago) link

how did you make your hair glossy?

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 01:42 (seven years ago) link

btw re pink sensitive skin - possibly rosacea, so just be careful with anything that has alcohol in it, even the so-called benign alcohols like cetryl or whatever's in cetaphil etc.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 01:44 (seven years ago) link

I mean cetyl and cetearyl and stuff like that

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 01:46 (seven years ago) link

glossy hair - frederick fekkai glossing pack I found at CVS. Teeny bottles, but shampoo, conditioner and a creme thing.

I didn't know that about benign alcohols. hm.

the cerave stuff gets pretty good reviews from rosacea forums I read now and then, which is what gave me the push to try it out; even if it's not the *best* for my skin, it's better than anything I've used lately, nowhere near as expensive as some treatments...and I just don't have the money to go to a dermatologist. But I'm pretty sure I have some form of rosacea; I do get the cyst-like breakouts and permanent pink tint and get MEGA flushed from a half a glass of red wine.

anyway I'll see how it is in a month or two, but I'm happy so far.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 02:09 (seven years ago) link

I some of that shampoo - we distribute it. :) I buy drugstore s&c because I'm cheap but then the fancy conditioner mask, my tub of which has lasted a year.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 02:46 (seven years ago) link

I got some serum for straightening my hair too, it is awesome.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 02:47 (seven years ago) link

My skin has been breaking out BADLY all over my jaw and neck and chest, not the cystic kind, but whiteheads. I've changed my towels, sheets, I wear clean shirts every day, I have no idea what's doing this. It seems like I have a surface infection and it's spreading. UGH. I've even tried peroxide, which while harsh, does kill off local break-outs usually. I think actually that touching my ex-bf was part of the problem, because he was an infrequent showerer and it never showed (or smelled) on HIM, but it affected me??! Jeez louise. Here's hoping I can clear it up now.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 02:51 (seven years ago) link

have you tried witchhazel? a friend in high school had an awful time with whiteheads & I remember that it worked pretty well.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 03:17 (seven years ago) link

using diluted witchhazel as a toner has def helped my skin

just1n3, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 03:52 (seven years ago) link

i don't use it all over my face, bc it is drying, but i use it anywhere i'm prone to spots.

just1n3, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 03:52 (seven years ago) link

imo: go to the doctor, get prescription for Clindoxyl Gel (clindamycin phosphate + benzoyl peroxide), make skin all better

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 04:50 (seven years ago) link

also, whoa at someone else being the cause of breakouts...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 04:51 (seven years ago) link

Oh, I've heard of that before! A friend dated a girl who always had acne on her chin and he started breaking out from kissing. I guess anyone's sweat just puts my skin over the edge.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 05:00 (seven years ago) link

If it persists, a trip to the doc might be a good idea. This is going to sound kind of gross, but I knew a couple of people with a similar problem and it was some kind of staph infection. Nothing life threatening, but it required antibiotics.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 12:23 (seven years ago) link

I think I broke a blood vessel on the edge of my lip; looks like I've had a cold sore for six months ;_;

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 12:28 (seven years ago) link

I think actually that touching my ex-bf was part of the problem, because he was an infrequent showerer and it never showed (or smelled) on HIM, but it affected me??!

yet one more reason to say good riddance!

rayuela, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 13:14 (seven years ago) link

All right, carl, you've convinced me.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 13:34 (seven years ago) link

Oh god, I had a staph infection on my face a while ago - so awful!

just1n3, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 14:43 (seven years ago) link

I've heard that facial hair can also cause breakouts!

tehresa, Thursday, 28 June 2012 13:10 (seven years ago) link

i am in the dermo waiting room. i came to get a bump removed my leg but now i kind of want too ask her to make my skin all perfect, too.

tehresa, Thursday, 28 June 2012 13:11 (seven years ago) link

If there's swag advertising cosmetic procedures all over the waiting room, s/he'll probably make you an offer!

carl agatha, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:14 (seven years ago) link

I've always been worried that if I go to one they'll be like hey you want a little filler and then I'll be like OMG SHE THINKS I NEED FILLERS!!

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:16 (seven years ago) link

I just found out that people who are like 23 are getting preventive Botox and that it's not uncommon at that age anymore. WTF.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:16 (seven years ago) link

i have mixed feelings about the dermatologist for that reason. i went in there to find out if i had lupus and walked out with a sample of zit medicine and a nagging feeling that i was ugly?

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:16 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of!

I've only been once for a full body skin check (I have a lot of freckles and beauty marks on my shoulders/arms/back) but we never discussed my face thank God. I should go back for another one of the freckle checks though because I think you're supposed to go every year and it's been a while.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:19 (seven years ago) link

I worry about that, too, but I found a local dermatologist who just does, how would you say it, medical dermatology? No cosmetic stuff that I could see. At least, nothing advertised in her office and she definitely didn't try to upsell me on any procedures. Just took care of four weird moles and that was that.

I went to see an internal medicine doc once because they thought there was something up with my gallbladder (turned out to be just good old reflux/GERD which I've had for most of my adult life so yay for me, I guess?) and I don't know if that doc did cosmetic stuff or just shared an office with someone who did but holy shit there was Botox and laser resurfacing procedures and all kinds of shit all over his office. And there was a hetero couple there and the man was making appointments on behalf of the woman to have some kind of cosmetic dermatology procedure. Ugh.

carl agatha, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:26 (seven years ago) link

dermatology isn't the only medical field that's been overrun by the practice of hawking cosmetic procedures of questionable medical value, but it's probably the worst offender. y'all aren't ugly (of course not!)--stuff like that is just a huge moneymaker for doctor's offices. at one point my mother was considering adding botox services to her office but my sisters and i shamed her out of it. i have a lot of *thoughts* about this "medical" development.

horseshoe, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:26 (seven years ago) link

i lied; i have no thoughts, only rage

horseshoe, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:27 (seven years ago) link

The feeling that I was ugly vanished as soon as I remembered that I will never have enough money to afford whatever the really good stuff is, and I don't think spending money on that stuff is worthwhile anyway, and I would rather just forget about it and go across the street to the record store because guess who doesn't have lupus! <--- those were my exact thoughts upon leaving the dermatologist

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:27 (seven years ago) link

I didn't know that the derma I saw didn't do cosmetic stuff, either. Like ENBB, I'm spotty and I hadn't had a full check in like ten years and I knew I needed to go. I had steeled myself to refuse to engage on the topic whatsoever, and I just lucked out.

I'm glad you don't have lupus, btw!

carl agatha, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:32 (seven years ago) link

I'm not entirely against cosmetic dermatological procedures. I mean, if someone wants to do that and it makes them feel better about themselves then I'm not going to judge them for it. I have never had anything like that done and don't anticipate doing so but who knows how I'll feel 20 years down the line? What I do know is that I have no interest in any of it now and would rather not have anything pushed on me and make me feel more like shit about myself than I already do.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:33 (seven years ago) link

i mean, i have used prescription acne treatment in the past and probably will again. my point is less about the people who opt to get cosmetic procedures and more about the business of medicine side of it, which grosses me out.

horseshoe, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:34 (seven years ago) link

Yep, me too.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:35 (seven years ago) link

i'm not judging them for it either
i just don't want to spend my own money on it or feel compelled to do so by an advertisement

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:35 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, if I wanted laser skin resurfacing or whatever, that's great. It's when people go in for mole checks or because they think they have lupus and the response is, "You're fine, but have you considered Botox?" that I get the rage a la horseshoe. See also: "Hello, I am here because I have chronic intractable heartburn and would like medicine." "Okay. Have you considered weight loss surgery?" (That's why I won't go to a gastroenterologist who does weight loss surgery - when all you have is a hammer, all your fat patients look like big old nails.)

carl agatha, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:36 (seven years ago) link

exactly

horseshoe, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:38 (seven years ago) link

also, whenever i feel ugly, it helps me to remember that someone is making money off that feeling and to follow the trail to figure out which money-making enterprise was at the root of that particular moment of self-loathing.

horseshoe, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:43 (seven years ago) link

Oh, that's a good strategy. The sleuthing distracts from the self-loathing until outrage kicks in.

carl agatha, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:47 (seven years ago) link

haha it's like you really get me, Jenny <3

horseshoe, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:52 (seven years ago) link

i have two emotions these days: angry and dancey

horseshoe, Thursday, 28 June 2012 14:52 (seven years ago) link

haha <3

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 28 June 2012 15:03 (seven years ago) link

I tried plenty of prescriptIon stuff for my skin but still permanently had one or two spots on my chin until I went to this US dermatologist last year. He was awesome and I only paid co-pay. Literally the only good experience I had with the u.s. Health"care" system. He had tons of "subtle" botox etc posters on the wall.

kinder, Thursday, 28 June 2012 17:22 (seven years ago) link

Out of curiosity, what didn't you like about the system? Was it all the red tape/cost BS or the actual care? I ask only because while I love the NIH in theory, the doctors ( 2 diff GPs both in London) I had while on it were horrible. The dentist I saw might actually have been worse. I hate admitting that because I wish it weren't so but the standard of care was a lot lower than what I've experienced here. That said, I have an excellent PCP here and I know that.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 28 June 2012 18:13 (seven years ago) link

lol I meant NHS not NIH. I am putting together a grant app to the latter this afternoon so it's on my brainz.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 28 June 2012 18:27 (seven years ago) link

Well, you don't want to get me started :)
Actual care was ok, I guess, although so ass-covering - they couldn't give me actual information about whether I should go home or not ("well you could, but you might die in the night, so it's up to you...") and just literally every single person talked to me like I was speaking another language (not just me either, my husband found this). like I'd ask a straightforward question like 'where can I get some water' 'how long will i be here' 'what is the address of this hospital so I can tell the car to get home' and they would not know (in the case of that last question) or just tell me a random sentence. Nothing was joined up, I had to give my insurance information repeatedly and they still fucked up absolutely everything, basically refused to send (very straightforward) test results to my doctor because they screwed up, arghghgh. No-one could ever tell you who in what department to talk to or anything.

The red tape side, man, I hope my life is never genuinely in the hands of those people. Absolutely appalling. Again, no-one could answer a question and you felt like you're completely on your own taking crazy pills. I spent literally a year not knowing whether they were going to charge me several tens of thousands of dollars because they just could not understand a single question I asked and gave completely irrelevant answers. (I was in overnight for observation, they billed insurance co. for intensive care unit, they refused, I questioned repeatedly whether a mistake had been made ad infinitum.)

To be fair I have not had any serious experience with NHS except my husband was very recently in for a similar thing and it took a lot less time (including follow-up testing, the same that I had) and people talked to him like a human. I'm sure it all depends on who you end up talking to. My GP in the US was a bit weird but I just picked a random place I could get to on the bus and never got around to changing it. Oh yeah that office insisted I had a SSN when I didn't and it turned out they were referring to a form where I'd written 'my husband's SSN: ' in big letters as it was his policy. He also prescribed me tons of drugs for a weird neck thing I had and gave me a referral for an Xray and I was like WHAT! Is it really serious enough to warrant all this? and he was like 'nah'.

kinder, Thursday, 28 June 2012 18:31 (seven years ago) link

Interesting thanks for elaborating! I find this stuff fascinating partly because it has to do a bit with part of my job and also just because of personal experience. Sounds like you were in a bad hospital which totally happens and is the pits. The red tape part of it all is just totally awful and inexcusable, you're right.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 28 June 2012 18:52 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22227-rosacea-may-be-caused-by-mite-faeces-in-your-pores.html

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:31 (seven years ago) link

i hate u

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:32 (seven years ago) link

hahahahahahaaaahahaha omg

no no no no no no nooooooooooooooo

kinder, Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:00 (seven years ago) link

my face it is filled with shit ;_;

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:04 (seven years ago) link

I think I won't read that article. a;lsdkjf;alksdjf

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:16 (seven years ago) link

omg I wish I hadn't read it

Jaq, Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:17 (seven years ago) link

I'm almost as scared of that closeup of rosacea-face as I am of the bugshit

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:26 (seven years ago) link

O_O

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:26 (seven years ago) link

i think it's interesting

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:26 (seven years ago) link

there are mites and their poo everywhere, whatevs

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:27 (seven years ago) link

not saying it isn't gross, just saying i like ~science~

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:29 (seven years ago) link

^ this book changed my life in weird ways

i wonder if we need mites as much as they need us

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:31 (seven years ago) link

maybe, but the tiny spiders dying and rotting in my pores thought is still giving me palpitations

Jaq, Thursday, 30 August 2012 22:54 (seven years ago) link

^^^^

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:05 (seven years ago) link

HOW DO I GET THEM OUT?

carl agatha, Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:14 (seven years ago) link

bleach imo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:21 (seven years ago) link

dudes, this is oooooold news. I am currently running a rosacea clinical trial that is using an anti-parasitic compound. It's working like a champ.

kate78, Thursday, 30 August 2012 23:32 (seven years ago) link

!!! That's kind of awesome.

carl agatha, Friday, 31 August 2012 02:42 (seven years ago) link

Sorry guys I know it is sorta horrifying but also v interesting! I will admit that I made sure to wash extra well tonight. And yeah Kate, that is really neat.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 31 August 2012 03:20 (seven years ago) link

kate, you have my attention

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 August 2012 03:43 (seven years ago) link

This is the study.
If you're interested in participating in clinical trials, you can search by disease and geographic area at clinicaltrials.gov.

kate78, Friday, 31 August 2012 19:17 (seven years ago) link

I see it mentioned a couple of times upthread, and I know Julia loves her NutraSonic, but has anybody else purchased one? My pal (and ILX lurker) Courtney just got one and really likes it and I'm considering it.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:54 (seven years ago) link

Is that like a Clarisonic? I have the Olay knock-off and love it. Might shell out for the Clarisonic one day but it's so $$.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:03 (seven years ago) link

i skipped a wk of nutrisonic and cld tell the diff. (i use it twice weekly) ugggh dull peely face. before i tried it, i had tried every exfoliant ever (it seems) and nothing helped before. my skin is rly weird tho. (skin condition + wonky hormones = eek)

olay is supposed to be the same thing cheaper, from what i've heard. doesn't seem worth shelling out for the pricier ones if you like hwat u have!

JuliaA, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:36 (seven years ago) link

xp Yeah, same general idea. I guess I meant has anybody else purchased one of these new fangled face brushes. Courtney got the Clarisonic. I'm not married to any one brand, although I like the idea of a device that is rechargable.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:37 (seven years ago) link

x-post - Yeah, I'm going to keep using the Olay until one day if/when it seems like it's no longer working. It's cheaper than the replacement brush heads for the other ones. It's very gentle so I use it every night. It's battery operated but I've had it about 4 months so far and haven't had to change them yet.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:39 (seven years ago) link

Oh, that's a plus.

I shall now bombard you with questions: Can you use it in the shower? If you use it at the sink, is it really messy? Does the brush spin or vibrate (I think that's what the Clarisonic is supposed to do - vibrate like how the Sonicare toothbrush does)?

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:40 (seven years ago) link

lol, no prob

- I've used it in the shower without problem.

- Not messy at all ime. Sometimes you get a little splash of product but it's minimal.

- It spins which is how it differs from the Clarisonic, yes. However, it really does seem to clean well. Reviews are overwhelmingly positive though you'll get the occasional person who points out that spinning isn't the same as vibrating though I'm not really sure if there's any science to back up the vibrating thing anyway. For every one of those reviews there is someone saying they have both and can't tell any difference so i don't know. When I got the Olay I figured that if it sucked I would only be out ~ $30 and so far it's worked for me.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:46 (seven years ago) link

Oh and it also feels really nice which makes me actually want to wash my face at night which is something I've been lazy about in the past.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:47 (seven years ago) link

i use nsonic in shower, have to close my eyes so soap spittle doesn't fly into my eyes.

good to hear that olay is gentle, i'm def getting that whenever my nsonic dies. (had it for 2 yrs, but eventually i'm sure it will)

JuliaA, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:59 (seven years ago) link

When Sonicare toothbrushes first came out, I got a Crest Spinbrush and it kind of sucked (it tasted weird and would catch my mouth in the spinning apparatus somehow). My mom got me a Sonicare a couple of years ago and I love that fucking thing, so I kind of have a bias against spinning things v. vibrating things. But, the reviews are really good for both products, and if you factor in the human tendency to rate something they paid a lot of money for more highly so as not to feel like chumps for paying a lot of money for it, they are about even. Plus, and I think this is the ultimate deciding factor, if I go with the Olay thing, I can get it today, but if I want the Clarisonic (even getting the cheaper one-speed Mia), I have to wait until I get paid next week.

It also seems reasonable to try a cheaper version to see whether I even like using it before.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 16:00 (seven years ago) link

To finish that sentence, "before I spend a lot of money on the more expensive one."

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 16:01 (seven years ago) link

^^^I am a sucker and I have just decided I am going to the same thing as carl, despite the fact that I never considered a face-washing device until JUST NOW. Thanking u thread for taking all my monies away :(

quincie, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 16:13 (seven years ago) link

In other news I just bought a new blush over the weekend but I think it's too dark or ruddy or something and now I have to go return it and that makes me sad because Ulta is far away and I'm lazy. It looked OK in the store dammit!!

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 16:19 (seven years ago) link

ha, quincie, I'm sorry to be an enabler. But this product is going to solve all of our problems. All of them. I just know it.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 16:28 (seven years ago) link

I want one too, pfft you guys. So we're buying the Olay one?

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 16:45 (seven years ago) link

LOl yes we are. I'm going to Ulta at lunch today because I think I have a coupon somewhere in the depths of my purse.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 16:46 (seven years ago) link

bwahaha. I will have to wait a bit as I told my sister to take my credit card and get herself textbooks and some back to school clothes, so I really shouldn't spend anything on myself right now. Except maybe as a present for being such an awesome big sister.. hehehe..

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 16:49 (seven years ago) link

Hmmm I hope CVS or Walgreens has the thing, too lazy for Ulta today and MUST EMPLOY NEW WASHING TECHNOLOGY TODAY!

quincie, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:08 (seven years ago) link

Hahaha you guys crack me up just don't blame me if you hate it or it doesn't agree with you for some reason!

I should have put that thing about the blush in the comestics thread. Oh well. It's Ulta I need to go to to return that so I feel you on that QUince. The other places should have it.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:19 (seven years ago) link

I'm pretty sure Walgreens or CVS carries it. I wanted to go to Ulta because I like to rack up them bonus points. I stopped in Ashley Stewart on the way and found a lovely black linen and rayon skirt and a pair of shorts* on megaclearance, and I wouldn't have gone there had I not been on the way to Ulta so obviously this product is already solving all of my problems.

*There is a vacation involving some light hiking in my future and I realized that unless I was going to go hiking in skirts and Spanx, I needed to break my no shorts ever rule.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:08 (seven years ago) link

I cannot wait to go home and wash my face.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:06 (seven years ago) link

hm, I really like my sonic care toothbrush and have been curious about sonic vibration face cleansing, so maybe I will jump on board too...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:19 (seven years ago) link

It would be awesome if we could actually blast our faces with ultra-high-frequencies and all the oil and dirt and mites would just up and fall out

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:21 (seven years ago) link

Similarly, I have always wanted a sonic shower like they have on Star Trek.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:24 (seven years ago) link

does it get rid of parasite feces in yr pores is my question

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:27 (seven years ago) link

I am thinking there is nothing sonic can't do

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:28 (seven years ago) link

Hey dudettes, I just ran a poll past everyone that works in my office (dermatology) and the verdict? Total bullshit, not worth the money, use a washcloth.

kate78, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:35 (seven years ago) link

I use cetaphil and a disposable buffpuff, fwiw

kate78, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:35 (seven years ago) link

wait a sec i don't use any puff or sonic implement
should i?

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:39 (seven years ago) link

Why didn't you run this poll before my lunch break?

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:40 (seven years ago) link

Busy day? Did you save your receipt?

kate78, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:40 (seven years ago) link

I did. I'm still going to try it out, though. Not because I don't believe your derma colleagues but because I want to play with my new toy.

I think Ulta's return policy is 60 days w/ a receipt if you hate it, so I can have my spinning face brush and use it, too.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:42 (seven years ago) link

Not to dis yr colleagues, but my personal trust in dermatology when it comes to acne, rosacea and the like is not very strong...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:47 (seven years ago) link

Not that I have much trust in cosmetics companies either!!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:47 (seven years ago) link

facecloths, the soft kind, have served me well though, yes

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:48 (seven years ago) link

None of us use it, and we look FANTASTIC.

kate78, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:49 (seven years ago) link

What is your secret

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:49 (seven years ago) link

retin-a, suncreen.

kate78, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:50 (seven years ago) link

i will rep for retin-a and western medicine on acne as well, fwiw

horseshoe, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:51 (seven years ago) link

I've knew a derm who did rep for them if only because they made people clean their faces really well. Who knows.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:54 (seven years ago) link

Yeah my secret is never forgetting to put C1indoxil and faux retin-a on my face tbh. I thank the pharma industry for this, I do.

And when I don't eat sugar or carb-heavy anything, my skin gets more 'refined' looking or whatevs. But chocolate...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:55 (seven years ago) link

x-post - I mean that it made people do it more often and for a good length of time or whatever. It's $30 and I haven't gotten a pimple since I started using it every night so I figure it can't be hurting any.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:56 (seven years ago) link

any opinions on BB cream?

USADA Bin Dopen (dayo), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:59 (seven years ago) link

Yeah sort of how the toothbrush works too - you just end up cleaning more thoroughly - it's not magic but it helps
xp

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:59 (seven years ago) link

Yes, exctly.

Dayo - we've talked about bb cream in here before iirc.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:00 (seven years ago) link

I think most BB talk is on the cosmetics thread? Can't remember

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:01 (seven years ago) link

Oh! Yeah, you're probably right.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:01 (seven years ago) link

haha okay. also - thinking of starting to use cetaphil face moisturizer with the SPF 50, since I seem to be getting a few new facial moles every year. but have never used sunscreen before. worried!

USADA Bin Dopen (dayo), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:02 (seven years ago) link

Cetaphil is generally a really good brand. I think I even have that exact one (it's either Cetaphil or Cerave) and I like it a lot.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:04 (seven years ago) link

what are you worried about?

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:06 (seven years ago) link

idk! all my life I've had relatively good skin on my face (like the only part of my body, for real) and that's without washing, using facial cleansers, etc. so I have a general vague ~worry~ anytime I try out something new on my face

USADA Bin Dopen (dayo), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:09 (seven years ago) link

*knocks on wood*

USADA Bin Dopen (dayo), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:09 (seven years ago) link

People usually grow new moles (nevi) until about the age of thirty or so. Remember your ABCDs

kate78, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:10 (seven years ago) link

I got two moles checked out a few months ago! I have a big 'fried egg' mole in my scalp

USADA Bin Dopen (dayo), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:11 (seven years ago) link

I canceled my followup because the derm said that she was just going to see if they had grown any bigger within 2 months and I was like, I can just do that at home!

USADA Bin Dopen (dayo), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:12 (seven years ago) link

kate78, et al, what is your opinion on this http://www.amazon.com/PMD-B005NQRPFO-Personal-Microderm/dp/B005NQRPFO/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

just1n3, Saturday, 15 September 2012 23:49 (seven years ago) link

I'm having an extra-scrupulous day. I should have cleaned house but I was too lazy to start, so instead I tweezed and plucked and extracted and face-masked and manicured and I guess I had to deal with that stuff sooner or later, judging from the amount of gross that was in my skin, but it felt kind of compulsive. Urrrrgh.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Sunday, 16 September 2012 23:39 (seven years ago) link

dayo everyone should wear sunscreen

BTW I might be an estee lauder convert. I am loving my time zone night cream and night renewal serum. It seems like something fauncy my mother might use, too. Even though it's not very fauncy at all.

homosexual II, Monday, 17 September 2012 07:30 (seven years ago) link

just1n3: I've never seen that before, but it looks like fun?

kate78, Monday, 17 September 2012 18:52 (seven years ago) link

Guys I've never has rosacea but since I read about the mite poos I've been washing my face with antibacterial soap. I know this will most likely result in a world of other problems from dry wrinkly skin to excellerated mite evolution but I can't help myself!!!!

It is a car of sincerity. How to know your car? That is secret (sunny successor), Monday, 17 September 2012 23:41 (seven years ago) link

I think about mite poop every time I wash my face

is sandblasting a thing?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 17 September 2012 23:44 (seven years ago) link

has anyone had broken capillaries on their face treated with lasers? i keep acquiring more of these, related to rosacea. also what is this mite talk? i'm pretty sure my rosacea is not caused by mites since i always have outbreaks in tandem with migraines.

john zorn has ruined klezmer for an entire generation (bene_gesserit), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 00:18 (seven years ago) link

I had some broken capillaries treated with IPL, but tbh new ones just keep coming so I give up and "treat" them with concealer.

quincie, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 11:49 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

whoever recommended aveeno handcream upthread, otm

bought some today, v nice!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 October 2012 20:55 (seven years ago) link

working on being more *attentive* to my skin in general

got some amylactin so I can try to finally work on my bumpy arms. also switching up my face-washing to use the cetaphil cleansing bar for a while (still with cerave moisturizer, bc the soap is a touch too drying for me to go without completely). in general my face has calmed down a fair bit, I have worn makeup a few times lately without any real bad after effects, but I'm interested to see what a change will do.

oh and I know this probably for the nail thread but I found this cool tub of nail & cuticle cream that's for horses hooves? but for people? lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 13 October 2012 07:25 (seven years ago) link

Love Aveeno for body (not for face), glad it's working for you!

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Saturday, 13 October 2012 14:36 (seven years ago) link

I can't believe I am saying this but coconut oil really helped with my husband's bumpy arms! Cheap, too (at least if you get it at an international store and not Whole Foods).

Horse stuff has a long following with humans--Mane and Tail shampoo, etc.

quincie, Saturday, 13 October 2012 22:30 (seven years ago) link

Trader Joe's has super cheap coconut oil (I'm a huge fan of it as a moisturizer).

carl agatha, Saturday, 13 October 2012 22:38 (seven years ago) link

hmm I just bought some coconut oil to cook with, maybe I'll nick some and try it

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 13 October 2012 23:29 (seven years ago) link

somewhere on ilx there is a discussion of keratosis pelaris, from which I first heard the coconut oil thing. I was a total skeptic, but tried it on dude's arms, and arms got better! Hardly a randomized controlled trial, but for two bucks it is certainly worth a shot. At worst, you'll have bumpy arms in otherwise silky smooth skin!

quincie, Saturday, 13 October 2012 23:30 (seven years ago) link

and I will smell like the ladies tanning beside our local pool in 1985

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 13 October 2012 23:31 (seven years ago) link

The one from TJ's smells like macaroons

carl agatha, Sunday, 14 October 2012 03:37 (seven years ago) link

I have two deluxe samples of the new Corrective Lift line from Chanel.... ARGH I AM IN LOVE WITH IT, AND IT'S SOOOOOO EXPENSIVE.

homosexual II, Monday, 15 October 2012 17:19 (seven years ago) link

keratosis pelaris: vaseline and saran wrap.

kate78, Monday, 15 October 2012 22:20 (seven years ago) link

well today is my first day of smelling like a giant coconut macaroon
so far, so good
do y'all put this stuff on your face or just bod?

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 12:35 (seven years ago) link

I put it on my face at night. It's too greasy for daytime. I use it as cuticle oil, too, but don't use it on the rest of my bod because I think it would make things I touch/sit on oily and I know it would attract cat hair.

I've been meaning to try it as a hair treatment but haven't had a day where I felt like hanging out with a grocery bag on my head for a few hours.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 14:36 (seven years ago) link

I am covered in the stuff and I don't feel greasy or covered in animal hair. I was glossy for a few min in my robe this AM but it sunk in and now I just smell like a cookie.
Will consider it for hair! Never thought of that. Kinda scared to put it on my face though.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:05 (seven years ago) link

I read Lechera's comment before carl's and wondered why coconut oil would cause anyone to be covered in animal hair. Think I have it all straightened out now.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:10 (seven years ago) link

yeah I used it on my hands the other day was v impressed by how soft they felt

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:30 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

I got some lotion prescribed by my US dermatologist and it has cleared my skin up really well - no longer get spots around my chin. HOWEVER I asked my UK doctor for a prescription and she's never heard of it. How can I get hold of it? It's just a generic. I am not likely to live in the US again :(

kinder, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 21:54 (six years ago) link

What is it? Is there an active ingredient listed?

kate78, Thursday, 6 December 2012 01:21 (six years ago) link

give me names from the lotion label and we will help you!

quincie, Thursday, 6 December 2012 01:28 (six years ago) link

yeah way to be mysterious!! :P

homosexual II, Thursday, 6 December 2012 22:21 (six years ago) link

It's nothing glamorous! :)
Sulfacetamide sodium topical suspension USP 10%

kinder, Thursday, 6 December 2012 22:34 (six years ago) link

four weeks pass...

I wish I knew whether the bags under my eyes are puffiness that I could fix with more sleep/water/ridiculous creams, or just the inexorable downward progress of the fat that supports my eyes. No point in trying to do anything if it's the latter.

ljubljana, Friday, 4 January 2013 21:19 (six years ago) link

I think I have a sty. I have never had one before.

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 5 January 2013 01:18 (six years ago) link

ljub, maybe try more sleep and water and see how that works. If you're sleep deprived you might find you don't care as much when you finally get enough rest.

carl agatha, Saturday, 5 January 2013 01:49 (six years ago) link

True. I've found this really hard to tackle, and I seem to need a lot of sleep. I'll have another go when I get back to TO next week.

ljubljana, Saturday, 5 January 2013 08:27 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

i changed up a bunch of stuff in my skincare routine in the last 3 weeks and my skin is looking/feeling better than it has in a looooooooooooooong time

- got this http://www.sephora.com/productimages/sku/s1233691-main-hero.jpg from sephora, in lieu of a clarisonic: it's super gentle and doesn't leave my face looking red like a washcloth does (5$!)
- stopped using st ives scrub on my face, switched to an olay exfoliator with synthetic spherical beads
- started slathering on coconut oil every night
- got a travel-size of philosophy's hope-in-a-jar
- started back on using diluted witch hazel as a toner
- got a big tub of calcium bentonite clay for mud masks

my face feels super soft and smooth, the dry patches have completely gone and the persistent blackhead clusters/damaged skin/big pores across my nose and at the corners of my mouth have definitely minimized in appearance. and my skin just looks more... glowy. i also got a eucerin moisturizer but that's for when the philosophy runs out.

i don't if it's all or one or some of these things that have made the difference (please, god, don't let it be the philosophy, that shit's expensive and don't really want to keep buying it), but i haven't been this happy with my skin in a few years.

my undereye area is still a wreck, but oh well

just1n3, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:01 (six years ago) link

Oh that sounds sooooo nice to have a positive skin change! I'd like more info on this coconut oil thing--I have a bottle that is primarily used for S's keratosis peloris on his upper arms (it works a charm!), but I think I still harbor 1980s Seventeen Magazine phears of putting anything called "oil" on my breakout-prone face.

I have been pretty damn good about serious sunscreen usage while living in non-stop sunshine (we're near the Tropic of Cancer, for god's sake), but the sunspots are still blooming like flowers in May :(

quincie, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:27 (six years ago) link

Oh and I never thought I'd complain about dry dry dry skin (not so much my face, but the rest of me), but I am seriously a desert. But it is so damn hot, and I'm in and out of water so much, that it seems useless to try to moisturize. I need advice from Abbott for Arizona-style skin care!

quincie, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:29 (six years ago) link

yah i'm pretty stoked!

for a while i was using the coconut oil kind of off and on, so not really noticing anything, but was mostly using cerave PM. but i was getting these flaky patches around my mouth, my nose was kind of dry, and exfoliating/moisturizing wasn't really doing anything. the cerave pm is pretty thin so instead of going out and spending more $$$ i thought maybe committing to the coconut oil would be a good thing to try, since i have an enormous jar of it for cooking.

i think it absorbs really really well - although i do use a pretty generous amount anyway bc it's going on at night. i don't wake up with dry patches and maybe it's contributing to the general super softness/smoothness of my skin.

and no zits since my new regime! i got a little something on my chin the day after the mask, but i just spot-treated it and it came to nothing.

i think i want to investigate retin-A next, but i'm kind of ugh about dealing with the 3 months of breakouts that it initially causes. plus i don't want to bother with trying to see a derm to get a prescription.

i'm also REALLY liking coconut oil for my tattoo - it deepens and brightens the color, for longer, than regular body lotions do.

just1n3, Friday, 17 May 2013 04:03 (six years ago) link

Coconut oil is amazing. Try it, quincie! I hear you about that Seventeen, no oil on the face indoctrination but we're kind of far from 17 now so we have different needs.

I'm not from AZ but I dry out like beef jerky every winter and some kind of heavy, serious body moisturizer is soooo necessary. Eucerin cream in a tub works if you want something pretty cheap. Use it every night and after every shower. Unless you shower at night, then obv just after the shower. It will help!

carl agatha, Friday, 17 May 2013 13:26 (six years ago) link

i use coconut oil as a moisturizer all over -- not just on face
sometimes it's a pain in the winter because it gets hard, and melts if it gets hot in the summer
but aside from adjusting the application, it's a quality skin moisturizer at a decent price with dignity.
approve!

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 17 May 2013 13:45 (six years ago) link

Ok I'm gonna try head-to-toe coconut oil! I will smell like a macaroon!

Carl, does Eucerin cream have a perfumey scent? I don't mind petrochemical smell, but fakey fragrance loaded on top of that is nags.

quincie, Friday, 17 May 2013 14:12 (six years ago) link

No, it's very neutral. I just suggested it as a cheap, readily available, thick cream. I don't use it. I use coconut oil on my face and this stuff - http://www.amazon.com/Everyday-Coconut-Super-Hydrating-Lotion/dp/B007Y06VQG - on my body because it's paranoid hippie approved and smells sooooooo good (I love coconut scented body care products, can you tell?).

carl agatha, Friday, 17 May 2013 14:16 (six years ago) link

bonus: smell like a cookie!!

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 17 May 2013 14:28 (six years ago) link

Cool, I'm going to go with coconut regimen and see how it goes. I was worried that I might not be able to find coconut oil easily in rural Mexico, but it is all over the place. Bonus: extreme summer heat means it is always liquified and ready to go!

quincie, Friday, 17 May 2013 14:41 (six years ago) link

I was using Cerave moisturizer lotion in the pump bottle; it's v light and I didn't mind it. But I recently switched over to their moisturizer that comes in the giant tub. Thick and you only need a fingerful for your whole face.
Omg. So much better!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 16:31 (six years ago) link

Twice a day, and I am seeing a big change in my skin already. Noticeable only to me, but I think in a year or so I'll back to almost normal

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 16:32 (six years ago) link

I splurged on Bobbi Brown eye cream recently - http://www.sephora.com/hydrating-eye-cream-P270544 - and I LOVE IT. It's soooooo nice. It doesn't get weird under concealer and it feels good and it's very moisturizing.

I've also been working from home far more than I am working from the office, and so not wearing makeup very often and I think that's helping my skin some. Also when I'm not going to put on makeup, I really slap on the moisturizer*, so that's probably part of it, too.

*The Whole Foods house brand dupe of Cetaphil, which is paranoid hippie approved and actually cheaper - http://i47.tinypic.com/65y0pt.jpg, mixed with some jojoba oil because I am addicted to mixing lotion with oil.

carl agatha, Friday, 17 May 2013 16:44 (six years ago) link

Yup, confirmed that it's cheaper - WF stuff is $6 and Cetaphil ~ $10.

carl agatha, Friday, 17 May 2013 16:45 (six years ago) link

just1n3: private msg me your address.

kate78, Friday, 17 May 2013 17:41 (six years ago) link

Ok, sent! It took me 5 tries because I can never read those stupid capcha things.

just1n3, Friday, 17 May 2013 22:35 (six years ago) link

Got it.

kate78, Friday, 17 May 2013 23:57 (six years ago) link

Also, send me your email address? I think hitting "reply" will just bounce it back to the ilx system?

kate78, Saturday, 18 May 2013 00:00 (six years ago) link

just1n3 at ch@nce press dot com (but without the googleproofing)

just1n3, Saturday, 18 May 2013 03:50 (six years ago) link

is amlactin any good? i searched this thread but the only mention is tza about to buy it for her arms, and no reports back on it. it seems to be more of a body lotion than for face?

just1n3, Monday, 20 May 2013 06:07 (six years ago) link

I use it. Makes you very soft.

kate78, Monday, 20 May 2013 14:40 (six years ago) link

i use it on my arms

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 May 2013 18:06 (six years ago) link

Hi, sorry to barge in after never participating before, but I wondered if anybody could help a man out with a couple things. I would like to buy some Really Good Moisturizer, preferably with SPF, but the drug store selection overwhelms me, so I said screw it and grabbed something at Whole Foods. I have pretty oily skin and occasional acne on my forehead and cheeks (though I've been religiously using salicylic acid face wash and toner and benzoyl peroxide cream and things have improved).

I'm not necessarily asking for specific product recommendations (though if you have any recommendations, please share), but maybe advice about which counter to choose at Macy's, or whether to go to Sephora or something.

Also: Like I said, my skin gets oily, and a while back I discovered that if I slapped a little baby powder on after putting on moisturizer and/or benzoyl peroxide cream, it tamed the oil a lot, AND I didn't look like I was wearing powder.

Je55e, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:44 (six years ago) link

My question is, should I just use face powder? I saw a lotion at the drug store that had rice flour in it, which was supposed to soak up oil. Is that true? For powder, would I just buy some at Walgreen's or, again, go to the Clinique or ???? counter at Macy's?

Je55e, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:45 (six years ago) link

Experiment with washing your face less. For the next few months, just get it wet and then apply your moisturizer/sunscreen. I like Dr. Spiller's Vitamin A cream as a moisturizer. EltaMD also makes good facial moisturizers with SPF.

kate78, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:50 (six years ago) link

I usually only use benzoyl peroxide as a spot treatment.

kate78, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:51 (six years ago) link

Oh ho try this instead of powder: http://www.sephora.com/dr-feelgood-P1277

Also blotting papers.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 00:19 (six years ago) link

I've been using the sunscreen horseshoe recommended forever ago - http://www.amazon.com/beauty/dp/B000Q8R7KW. I like it and it's not greasy. Also unless the weather is properly humid, I have to use some other lotion first bc I'm a dry old lady so maybe that will work for you.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 00:23 (six years ago) link

Blotting papers! They really help.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 01:22 (six years ago) link

My skin has been softer, smoother, and much clearer since I started washing it twice a day with salicylic acid and using benzoyl peroxide. I think the salicylic acid is the miracle worker in the equation.

I will give blotting papers a try, but I've always suspected them of being a big scam.

Dr. Feelgood looks interesting, thanks.

Je55e, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 02:57 (six years ago) link

Sorry for the blotting paper skepticism. I will give them a fair shot.

Je55e, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 02:58 (six years ago) link

i mean it can't be a scam -- you are literally blotting oil from your face
i'm not saying it does anything miraculous but it removes oil/sweat/dirt, leaving the face feeling like it's cleaner, if only slightly

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:46 (six years ago) link

blotting papers! so key

i am a recent convert thanks to the testifying of ms carl

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 04:46 (six years ago) link

Jesse, I know you like cheap workarounds so you might enjoy this: toilet seat covers work as blotting papers. The next time you're in a fancy public bathroom, grab a couple for later.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 12:26 (six years ago) link

Dr. Feelgood gets mixed reviews, but I love it and I think it would be good for a dude who wants a little something but wants to keep it natural.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 12:28 (six years ago) link

Jesse, I know you like cheap workarounds so you might enjoy this: toilet seat covers work as blotting papers. The next time you're in a fancy public bathroom, grab a couple for later.

Have you done this? Wouldn't it have backspray from flushing? I'm definitely going to keep my eyes open for an unopened pack of them, but I feel too squeamish about exposed ones!

Je55e, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:11 (six years ago) link

So what about cosmetics counters? Clinique? Sephora? Ulta? I'm curious to talk to the magicians who work there.

Je55e, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:13 (six years ago) link

they're mostly just 20 somethings who are not magicians
i usually go to the oldest woman with the best skin and then see if she is a straight talker, if one of those doesn't exist, i avoid talking to anyone

most important to find a straight talker

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:16 (six years ago) link

We have toilet seat covers mounted high on the walls of the stalls in my work bathroom so yeah, I use them all the time. From what I can hear, other people use them a lot for their intended purpose (I don't - our work bathrooms are clean as hell. Cleaner than my bathroom at home) so I think there's enough turnaround that I'm not worried about backspray. Plus, you know, there's that study showing that there is basically backspray on everything in the entire bathroom including your towel and your toothbrush so now I wash my face in toilet water.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:25 (six years ago) link

What does one look for in an eye cream? I want something to remove bagginess and darkness (which are actually likely just how my face is?)

Eye creams are another thing I've always suspected might actually be a scam.

PS - I've been reading the thread and I'm trying not to duplicate topics, but I'm not asking necessarily for specific product recs so much as asking "what should eye cream do?"

Xp I was thinking of going to a male...which would mean he prob wouldn't be a "straight" anything ifuknowhatimean lolololfart

Xp lolololfart

Je55e, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:25 (six years ago) link

(I'm very happy to report that iPhone autocorrect knows ifuknowhatimean and lolololfart)

Je55e, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:26 (six years ago) link

I used to use those brown unbleached recycled-content napkins for blotting, they were pretty absorbent. Years ago I found cheap blotting papers at the Chinese import stuff store and was thrilled until I figured out they were making me break out, but they had some kind of powder on them, which, who knows what was in it.

Go to Sephora and ask for blotting papers and ignore anything else they tell you, just ask them to pull out samples from each. There's some kind that are powder-blue colored and sort of plasticky sheet more than paper, I went through a few packs of those one summer.

lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:39 (six years ago) link

Also Je55e you may consider the Merz apothecary for men's skin needs -- the people there are v helpful and usually offer the best product at the price you're comfortable with. I also don't feel that they're overly solicitous. I get my blotting papers there, along with a host of other personal care product type things.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:44 (six years ago) link

Plus they have a wide array of licorice candies there.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:45 (six years ago) link

I'll go despite the licorice.

Je55e, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 15:48 (six years ago) link

Hey, will you get me some licorice when you go? xo

carl agatha, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 16:05 (six years ago) link

I am having horrible hormonal spotting show up on my face. Like, I wear spf 55 every day but I still have brown blotches around my cheeks/eyes. Melasma. Anyone used anything to get rid of this shit besides laser resurfacing?

homosexual II, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 17:00 (six years ago) link

There are glycolic acid peels, but they didn't do much ime. I had to just accept that this is aging since I don't have $$$ to see derm for purely cosmetic reasons.

Sorry for the bummer response. I'm sure there are things one can do but I'm not convinced any of them work. Maybe there's something I'm unaware of?

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 17:10 (six years ago) link

I have a melasma patch, I don't think there's much you can do about it except cover it up (I use boi-i-i-ng but it kind of melts off during the day)

I did mention it to my doctor and she said she might test my thyroid levels (I think??) and to watch out for changes because they could be something worse than regular melasma. But afaict it hasn't changed. I don't even remember when i first noticed it tbh

kinder, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 17:50 (six years ago) link

I have a tiny one that looks like a big freckle and I thought it was sun damage but then I realized that I never go in the sun without like SPF 50 and am basically a vampire so maybe that's what I have too?

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 18:13 (six years ago) link

i always wear sunscreen too, but i think sun damage just happens
it's the worst along my cheeks, the left one in partic and i'm convinced it's from driving

there's only one solution to this problem
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8155/7557153020_400124067f_m.jpg

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 18:22 (six years ago) link

There are other types of peels one can try for skin-lightening, like Melanage.

kate78, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 19:05 (six years ago) link

xp lolololololol

lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 19:43 (six years ago) link

just curious, has anyone ever tried apple cider vinegar as a face item?

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 20:08 (six years ago) link

In my office, we instruct people to apply white vinegar compresses after laser procedures.

kate78, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 20:22 (six years ago) link

i've used it diluted as a toner but the smell kinda annoyed me. i don't think i used it long enough or consistently enough to notice any results.

just1n3, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 20:32 (six years ago) link

Update on coconut oil experiment to combat Extreme Dryness in an Extremely Dry, Extremely HOTTT Climate:

OK so I think the coconut oil does a pretty good job. However, I need to find something else because I am having a big problem getting myself to rub warm oil on my body when it is in the upper 90s! We are trying to hold off until July to Activate Air Conditioning Solution, because it is crazy expensive. So the oil is always warm, and I am always hot hot hot. And I just can't bring myself to oil up in these conditions.

So what I'm thinking is that I need a good, not-too-expensive, fragrance-free moisturizer that I can keep IN THE FRIDGE next to my aloe vera gel; that way I will look forward to smoothing cool moisture balm onto my overheated, parched body. I am thinking Eucerin or maybe Amlactin (does this have fragrance?) are candidates. Other ideas?

quincie, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 20:56 (six years ago) link

what if you kept the coconut oil in the fridge? i mean, you'd have to apply it solid but it would more gently acclimatize to yr body and maybe less uncomfortable than warming it up? idk. that might be annoying though

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 21:03 (six years ago) link

honestly I love how coconut oil feels but I can't stand smelling like a mounds bar

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 21:03 (six years ago) link

xp re: cider toner: Yup! I have been using it as a diluted toner for... sheesh a year or so now? The smell is a thing, for sure, but I don't mind it. As far as efficacy, I would put it on par with witch hazel, which is what I have used since college, but it's cheap as hell. So, overall a success.

Make sure you dilute it with distilled or filtered/boiled water, though.

xp re: coconut oil: stick it in the fridge stick it in the fridge stick it in the fridge stick it in the fridge

carl agatha, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 21:15 (six years ago) link

http://www.jannuslive.com/wp-content/uploads/g-love.jpg

"Sorry, sometimes I just say that."

carl agatha, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 21:16 (six years ago) link

ah lak cowd bevrajes

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 21:16 (six years ago) link

Well fridge is gonna be a problem because my bottle of coconut oil has a squeeze top, which is fine for liquid, but not gonna happen for solidified stuff!

I think I am also becoming averse to the smell because it smells like tanning oil, which makes me feel HOT HOT HOT again (and not in the good way).

quincie, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 21:46 (six years ago) link

After buying a suit I talked to the nice lady t the Clinique counter and tried some eye cream w/ optical diffuser stuff in it and some "transparent powder" which was nice. Might buy some powder sometime.

Couldn't find Merz Apothecary! Where'd it go?? I was tired and I went home instead of asking anybody. But did they get rid of it?

Je55e, Thursday, 23 May 2013 00:32 (six years ago) link

I go to the one on Lincoln, not sure where u were?

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 23 May 2013 01:27 (six years ago) link

Quincers, I wish I had some desert skin care tips for yas, but I have just resigned myself to a life of having "bad skin" (NB I am just fine with my skin), and I am kind of convinced everything is snake oil? I mean, whatever I pick up, no matter how much or how little $, seems to be in the "it'll do" category. All I can say is if you are thinking Eucerin for lotion, don't get the VERY DRY SKIN variety because I accidentally bought it recently, and it is the greasiest ointment in history. It never absorbs.

I wish every slot machine had EAT THE RICH printed on it (Crabbits), Thursday, 23 May 2013 03:38 (six years ago) link

quincie i used a shea butter moisturizer from alaffia (the "everyday shea") when i lived in az. it has a high water content so not too greasy & should stay a liquid in the fridge. they sold it at sprouts if you're near one of those.

discreet, Thursday, 23 May 2013 04:05 (six years ago) link

I go to the one on Lincoln, not sure where u were?

There is/was one in Macy's/Marshall Fields.

(Sorry for the boring local stuff, non-Chicagoans.)

Je55e, Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:11 (six years ago) link

They moved to the Palmer House years ago.

carl agatha, Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:24 (six years ago) link

I hear you on the "it'll do" thing, Abbs. I'm not caring so much about the aesthetics of my dry skin, but it is itchy and uncomfortable! Discreet, I will try to find that shea butter stuff. Tomorrow I am going over to the Pacific coast for a SURFING LESSON and a town over there has a natural foods store, so maybe I can score there.

quincie, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:26 (six years ago) link

i switched up my eyecream yesterday. had been using a Boots eyecream, but it wasn't really helping the crepiness, as in crepe not creep lol....especially when I wore foundation it was just like, papier mache around there. so I tried the Neutrogena Healthy Eyes stuff and even overnight it's a big difference. definitely firms and tightens everything. i was a bit nervous bcz I haven't used anything with retinol-A in it before, was worried I might have some redness or a reaction but so far so good! yay.

I spent years obsessively taking care of my face with cleansers and whatnot but almost completely ignoring my eyes. so dumb.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 May 2013 16:03 (six years ago) link

One of the best tips someone ever gave me was to start using eye cream as early as possible so I've been using it religiously since I was 18 and I think that's probably the only reason why i don't really have any undereye wrinkles or crows feet yet even though I'm 35.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Friday, 24 May 2013 16:45 (six years ago) link

I've never used an eye cream, kind of don't believe they do anything? And I don't have any wrinkles or crows feet either but I have oilier skin to start with.

lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 24 May 2013 16:49 (six years ago) link

my mum has really saggy eyelids, like deflated balloon saggy, and I think I have that gene too

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 May 2013 16:51 (six years ago) link

I think that helps, yeah. Oilier skin ages better. I have really dry skin so I've always been pretty careful about moisturizing.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Friday, 24 May 2013 16:52 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

Jesse, Id say go to Sephora and tell a sales rep what you are looking for and what you need it for. They will narrow it down to a few choices then give you a little pot of each to take home and try. This method has saved my $$$ many times.

educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Monday, 24 June 2013 14:44 (six years ago) link

Veg, my budding crepeiness scares me 1000x more than wrinkles.

educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Monday, 24 June 2013 14:45 (six years ago) link

Woooo! Oily skin, all breakouts, no crepe!

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 24 June 2013 15:13 (six years ago) link

All the breakouts. All of them.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 24 June 2013 15:14 (six years ago) link

I did a great job sunblocking myself at the Mermaid Parade... except I forgot that my regrowing hair, while thicker and longer than it was a month ago, is still the least I've had since i was a toddler, so I wore a VISOR instead of A HAT.

So now my scalp is pink, and blistering somewhat. Not agonizing, but enough to be annoying. How the hell do I treat it? Rub aloe vera onto it before bed, what it does to the hair be damned?

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 June 2013 15:22 (six years ago) link

Yep! Put the aloe in the fridge for a few hours for extra soothing.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 24 June 2013 15:38 (six years ago) link

^^^second this. It rinses out of hair no probs. If you can take an NSAID, that helps with sunburn pain.

quincie, Monday, 24 June 2013 15:49 (six years ago) link

Yo also wear a hat next time, you don't want melanoma, do you?

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 24 June 2013 15:49 (six years ago) link

I mean maybe it was so much fun you want to do it again, but I'm sensing that is unlikely to be true.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 24 June 2013 15:50 (six years ago) link

My skin was pretty oily in high school but breakouts were rare. I had this weird skincare routine where I would exfoliate like crazy, rinse, then fill the basin with boiling hot water over which I would hold my face, head cloaked in a towel to avoid the heat escaping, until I couldn't stand it anymore. This was immediately followed by filling the basin with cold water and two trays of ice cubes into which I would dunk my face until I couldn't stand it anymore. Worked pretty well on my high school skin iirc.

In the 11th grade all the girls in our class were forced to take a mandatory in-school deportment class run by a visiting teacher. This would be my third deportment class as my mother had sent me to private deportment/modeling classes the previous two summers.

One sunny day the deportment teacher made us, one by one, stand next a picture window so she could assess our skin type. After this exercise was completed the teacher informed the class that everyone had dry skin with the exception of me who had oily skin. This statement led to many a derisive snicker from my classmates. To them oily equaled greasy which equaled disgusting. When the snickering died down, the teacher somewhat redeemed herself in my eyes by informing the dry skins that I would most likely have beautiful skin for decades while their dry skin would most likely start forming wrinkles at some point in their twenties.

Fast forward twenty years. My class is having its twentieth high school reunion. I did not attend. I did however see a grip of photos covering the event on Facebook the following day. I was overjoyed to see our deportment teacher's prediction had been awesomely on point.

educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Monday, 24 June 2013 16:03 (six years ago) link

The worst thing about scalp sunburn is when it inevitably starts peeling and you have to fight the urge to tell strangers on the train, "It's just sunburn! Not a horrible skin condition! SUNBURN!!!!"

carl agatha, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:09 (six years ago) link

refrigerated aloe thirded. Sorry bout yr scalp Morbz :(

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 June 2013 16:11 (six years ago) link

Sunny that is a crazy tale! I am an oily, and don't have much going on wrinkle-wise (yet), but I don't know if this is due to oilyness or the fact that I've used Retin-A forever as an anti-acne med.

quincie, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:12 (six years ago) link

I woulda worn a hat! But I'm used to having thick messy hair, not a crewcut.

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 June 2013 16:15 (six years ago) link

In 1997 I went to the Tibetan Freedom concert at Downing stadium on Randall's Island. If any of you NYC peeps have ever been to Downing you'll know that it is made entirely of white concrete which causes such a glare that it is difficult see 10 ft ahead. I stood sat, walked and danced in that stadium in June. The sun bright in the sky, until well after sunset. I don't think the temperature itself was very high. I felt almost like getting sunburned skiing or on the water because the rays bounce back at you.

Anyway, the next morning I noticed my scalp was peeling. Not in little flakes but in pieces so large I had to comb my hair and slide the skin out. This went on for days. a few months later I saw this angry looking red bump thing on my scalp. It was hard and sore. From this point on I panicked, always waiting for a brain tumor to get me. 15 years later, I still have this thing attached to me . Finally, circa 2009, I asked my PCP to look at it. I cant remember what he called it but he assured me it was nothing and that if I made another appointment, he could take it off my head in about 5 minutes. I didn't make an appointment. I didn't want that part of my hair (about an inch back from my hairline and about an inch from the middle of my head) cut and/or shaved. I also had/have an unreasonable fear, borne completely of my imagination, that if we were to slice it open, all the bad diseases that were trapped inside (also unreasonable and imagined) would get out and really start attacking me.

So. Yeah. Wear a cap/hat.

PS: I was going to take a photo of the bump and post it but I's rather not be responsible for exposing the cultured ladies of ILS to an image better suited to ILTMI

educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Monday, 24 June 2013 17:48 (six years ago) link

*cries*

kinder, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:50 (six years ago) link

RIP Downing Stadium. (It was demolished in 2002.) The NY Centaurs used to play there, and the stadium lights were taken from Ebbets Field.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:00 (six years ago) link

Jesse, Id say go to Sephora and tell a sales rep what you are looking for and what you need it for. They will narrow it down to a few choices then give you a little pot of each to take home and try. This method has saved my $$$ many times.

I didn't know they'd give you samples! That's great. Thanks, SS.

I went to Ulta the other day and they showed me a bunch of moisturizers, creams, etc. There are SO MANY brands. Ugh. And like Crabbbits said, I always suspect its all snake oil. Anyway, samples will be very helpful.

Je55e, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:02 (six years ago) link

omg carl snapchatted a little video of you trying out concealer or something and i made a little squeaking noise when I realized who it was on the screen!

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:04 (six years ago) link

Sunny, POST THE BUMP! I wanna see it.

kate78, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:36 (six years ago) link

I snapchatted him pointing at shoes, too.

carl agatha, Monday, 24 June 2013 19:41 (six years ago) link

Jesse was the most interesting thing that happened to me that day.

carl agatha, Monday, 24 June 2013 19:41 (six years ago) link

You did! I think that it took me a second because maybe there was something new about his facial hair since the last picture I saw of him.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Monday, 24 June 2013 20:23 (six years ago) link

Royal Nectar Facelift is good for puffing wrinkles away, and is going to last forever. It also nearly burnt the skin off the outside corners of my eyes. Feels lovely elsewhere on my face. I should post a rave review to counterbalance the shitty ones on Amazon. Camilla P-B uses it, apparently :/

ljubljana, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 03:59 (six years ago) link

Carl, I invested in Dr Feelgood! First try-out tomorrow!

ljubljana, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 03:59 (six years ago) link

I have always been a grease monster, but due to hormone imbalances I am now a dry weirdo. Um and this is way worse than being oily. Makeup just looks terrible.

I have been slathering seabuckthorn oil on my face. It comes in a cool russian VIAL.

homosexual II, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 17:40 (six years ago) link

i started using this eucerin red-correcting moisturizer with spf, and am pretty disappointed. i tried it for a few weeks after my hope-in-a-jar ran out, and it just does not even compare - the sunscreen really sits on the skin and the green color doesn't correct redness at all. also not v moisturizing - the dry flaky patches that had disappeared while using the philosophy stuff def started returning with the eucerin.

now i'm trying some handmade organic hippie stuff that has a REALLY strong - but not unpleasant - smell. it's just ok :/

in other skincare news:
- added pure argan oil to my am/pm routine, just a few drops mixed in with the day cream for am and coconut oil for pm. no idea if it's really doing anything
- started using some raw honey i had lying round as face wash, not as weird or gross as i assumed it would be
- bought some nivea eye cream, has made zero difference to my dark puffy eye area over the last few weeks

just1n3, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 22:40 (six years ago) link

Sunny, POST THE BUMP! I wanna see it.

― kate78, Monday, June 24, 2013 1:36 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Kate, you asked for it.

The bump:
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4323/b1od.jpg

Where the bump is on my head:
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2881/qtcf.jpg

16 years of dealing with that thing in a delightful conspicuous place. Thanks, Summer. You're so awesome.

educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Friday, 5 July 2013 14:28 (six years ago) link

I have a similar bump! It is colorless, though, and on the side of my head.

Maybe part your hair on the other side?

kate78, Friday, 5 July 2013 18:36 (six years ago) link

That bump is not gross! Ya'll crazy.

quincie, Friday, 5 July 2013 18:46 (six years ago) link

I usually do part it a different way but it often ends up re-parting itself at some point in the day. Anyway, I'm not that fussed about it but it would be nice if it wasn't there.

educate yourself to this reality (sunny successor), Friday, 5 July 2013 20:32 (six years ago) link

OK best moisturizer with a high SPF . . . go.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:24 (six years ago) link

This time of year, I just use straight sunscreen as my moisturizer. I love Elta MD and they do a line of facial sunscreens and tinted facial sunscreens.

kate78, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 16:14 (six years ago) link

^^^same. I use this:
http://www.laroche-posay.co.uk/product-treatments/Anthelios/Anthelios-Dermo-Pediatrics-SPF-50-Lotion-p774.aspx

Not sure if you can get it in stores in the U.S.--I stock up a duty-frees when flying overseas. You can definitely get it by mail order. Plenty hydrating for me, and doesn't sting my eyes, which has has always been a huge problem for me.

quincie, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 16:33 (six years ago) link

I've been using the stuff horseshoe recommended a long long time ago - http://www.amazon.com/beauty/dp/B000Q8R7KW - and it's so so. I'm finding it really drying and I've been having some problems with redness and irritation, so I ordered this stuff - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003S1IQWM. The name makes me furious ("CREAMMMY" alsdkjfa;lksdjal;ksd) but it sounds like it will be pretty good for very dry skin.

It shipped yesterday so I'll report back when I get it.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 16:45 (six years ago) link

I was just looking at the most recent reviews on the Devita stuff and apparently they changed their formula at the end of last year and one of the major complaints is that it's very drying. Good to know it's not just me and my ridiculously dry skin, but based on my experience and the most recent reviews, I don't think I'd recommend it.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 16:52 (six years ago) link

I can't do chemical sunscreen well - I was using sanitas solar block, but I got a sunburn through it this weekend from being outside for 15 minutes. I went back to Shisheido. It does have oxicinate in it, but its mostly a physical sun block (zinc oxide).

homosexual II, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 18:52 (six years ago) link

I am also a grease ball so I am always trying to find sunscreens that are slightly mattifying.

homosexual II, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 18:52 (six years ago) link

Kiss my Face sunscreen was always good for my skin -- very smooth and non irritating. Apparently they have an SPF moisturizer also that uses non-chemical sunscreen.

I haven't tried the moisturizer tho

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 18:54 (six years ago) link

i've been using retin-a for about 6 weeks or so and i haven't had any real breakouts from it - i was nervous about crazy skin, so i just used on alternate parts of my face, putting it just on my nose area every 2nd night for a couple weeks, then my chin, etc. now i'm using it on my whole face and in 6 weeks i've only gotten a couple of very minor whiteheads and some dryness.

i've been using this as a day cream, and it's really nice - i had some doubts but i like it a lot, it makes your face look really shiny after you first put it on but it melts in really nicely, would probably recommend for skin on the drier side. it has no spf so i mix it with some neutrogena sunscreen . that eucerin green-correcting stuff totally sucked so i'm using it up on my neck/chest area.

just1n3, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 19:39 (six years ago) link

yeah I got some of that eucerin green-correcting stuff, it's not v good at all is it.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 20:02 (six years ago) link

1. it doesn't correct shit
2. it's not even v moisturizing
3. the physical sunscreen doesn't melt in AT ALL
4. it's kind of expensive for drug store stuff!!

just1n3, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 20:34 (six years ago) link

yeah it's annoying. and weird to me too, because their redness relief lotion etc do work pretty well and are v calming.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:01 (six years ago) link

Trying this free sample Boscia face mask. Putting on a black face mask is kind of weird.

tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 21 July 2013 03:54 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

OMG daily salicylic acid face wash and toner has worked miracles. No more blackheads and no more break-outs for the last couple of months. Plus my skin feels really soft and smooth. Fucking miraculous!

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Thursday, 8 August 2013 18:06 (six years ago) link

I'm still using the Retin a regularly and I think I am starting to see results? I'm not really sure though. Def a little peeling but nothing maj. Still purging and breaking out a little which really sucks but I'm still determined to wait this phase out this time. It just better get better soon.

DO NOT BUY the Cetaphil moisturizer with SPF. I did and it was really bad. The sunscreen just sits on your face and stays white and ugh I am angry at it.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Thursday, 8 August 2013 18:12 (six years ago) link

Sunscreen is like the hardest thing. It is harder than foundation, I have decided.

quincie, Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:34 (six years ago) link

i made a derm appt for next week because i can't stand my gross bumpy face anymore
can someone tell me what the purpose of retin-a is? should i ask my doc for it?

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:38 (six years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/30/fashion/30skin.html?pagewanted=all&loadDynamically=false&commentsPosition=middle&_r=0

Prescription Retin-A first became popular more than 20 years ago as an acne treatment. But doctors and patients soon noticed another benefit, one with enormous impact on those who were looking for a way to keep skin vibrant and smooth.

Retin-A users reported improvements in skin texture, including diminished wrinkles and brown spots. Early studies soon confirmed its anti-aging effects. In 1988, Dr. Voorhees and his colleagues at Michigan published the first double-blind study of Retin-A’s effect on photodamaged skin and found that all 30 patients who completed the 16-week study showed statistically significant improvement.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:42 (six years ago) link

that sounds promising

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:42 (six years ago) link

That article is pretty good. Basically it combats acne and the other things mentioned BUT something to mention is that your skin MAY get worse before it gets better as it adjusts to it.

http://jezebel.com/277896/perfect-skin-in-365-grueling-days-the-wonders-of-retin+a-micro

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:46 (six years ago) link

Yeah basically it causes a cell signalling cascade that causes cells to die off and replenish at a faster rate, in addition to being directly anti-acnegenic. You really really really have to be careful with the sun while using it, like no joke.

quincie, Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:46 (six years ago) link

I have used retin-A micro .04% (on the mild end of the spectrum); any of the stronger concentrations or other retinoids like tazorac are intolerable with the redness, stinging, peeling.

quincie, Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:47 (six years ago) link

But that is just me and I am a sensitive flower.

quincie, Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:47 (six years ago) link

Oh! E, I'm glad you said something. You'd mentioned Retin-A before and I was wondering how it was going. I have a dermatologist appointment next week to get a spot looked at and I was going to ask about Retin-A, retinoids, etc. I tried Retin-A in the late 90s but I gave up at the first sign of trouble.

Like that NYT article mentioned, besides the benefits in appearance, it apparently repairs pre-cancerous skin cells? Sounds good to me.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Thursday, 8 August 2013 20:34 (six years ago) link

i would read that jezebel article but it is so full of jokes that i can't find the relevant facts -- i think i might try retin-a/oids even if things get worse before they get better. it's better than being stuck with spotty bumpy face skin. i guess i'll see what the doc says.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 August 2013 20:38 (six years ago) link

I'm going to the dermatologist for "age spots" I guess they're called. WTF are those? They're on my face. Probably sun damage? Until this year I'd worn sunscreen on my face exactly never.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Thursday, 8 August 2013 20:44 (six years ago) link

LL it def could help just know it might get bumpier for a couple months. I'm definitely breaking out more than I normally do but I'm not giving up dammit!!!!!

One thing I've read that helps with the dryness and peeling is to wait 1/2 an hour after washing yr face before applying it thereby making sure your face is totally dry before it touches it. IDK why but supposedly this makes a difference and I think it's helped for me.

Jesse - I think it can help with age spots because of the rapid cell turnover etc.

I will keep updating! I think I've been using it regularly for about 5-6 weeks now.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Thursday, 8 August 2013 20:52 (six years ago) link

letting my face dry before moisturizing or applying makeup has helped me a lot with my rosacea. i think it's something about the dampness idk?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 8 August 2013 20:54 (six years ago) link

I want to try a chemical exfoliant, which is supposedly better for your skin than a scrub - that is something that might help with face bumpiness, LL.

just1n3, Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:19 (six years ago) link

I got a mad chin break out right after posting above that the retin-A hadn't been shitting up my skin. But I actually think it might be the fault of the sunscreen I started using.

just1n3, Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:21 (six years ago) link

I haven't experienced the initial breakout/purging thing with Retin-A. I get bumpy on my forehead the week before my period, which is perfectly in synch with when the DREADED CHIN HAIR (just one, but a pesky bastard) makes its appearance.

I have a pact with a girlfriend of mine that we will each make sure to pluck the DREADED CHIN HAIR for each other should either of us happen to fall into a coma.

quincie, Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:31 (six years ago) link

I've had the worst chin breakout in years but i think it's low-level stress :(

kinder, Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:32 (six years ago) link

Salicylic acid is a chemical exfoliant. I got on the SA wagon after reading an Ask Me Anything Reddit thread by a skin care chemist who just wouldn't shut up about it. She recommended Selsun Blue Naturals as face wash b/c it contains SA.

I bought 30% SA from Amazon and did some home chemical skin peels but I didn't follow through for very long b/c the peeling is kind of a pain in the ass. And for me there was about a day of hyperpigmentation before I peeled and it made me feel like hiding from society.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:37 (six years ago) link

Testing products for breakouts is the biggest pain. I change a product, and then sometime later I get a breakout. Is it a) because of the product, b) because I'm premenstrual that week anyway, c) because I accidentally got hairspray on my skin while styling, c) because I need to change my pillowcase or sheets, d) because I wore a bike bag with a strap across my sternum and got it sweaty and now my neck is a Robin Cook novel. Seriously how am I ever supposed to know if it was the product?!??

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:41 (six years ago) link

I did try chemical exfoliants for a while but the bumps and spots are not limited to pms times anymore, they're just there ALL THE TIME. I feel like I'm being a little vain about this but then I see people without bumps and feel like I deserve to not have bumps too.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:50 (six years ago) link

idk, psychological peace of mind is not the same thing as vanity. sometimes skin stuff, especially on yr face, can just kind a make you feel a bit paranoid and/or set apart. seeking answers is fine!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

c) because I need to change my pillowcase or sheets

Frequently changing pillowcases is one of the most surprisingly valuable skin-care tips ever and I learned it from one of your posts.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:54 (six years ago) link

I mean, it makes sense - Your head is oily and you don't want to lay your face on an oily, grimy surface for hours and hours at a time, but it never occurred to me.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:57 (six years ago) link

It's true! I don't know how it first occurred to me, maybe I just over time noticed that my skin clearing up coincided w changing my sheets. The top flat sheet that I fold under my chin can be a problem too--I know when I start getting bumps under my jaw and on my upper neck that it's dirty. This doesn't necessarily coincide with the amt of time it's been on.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 8 August 2013 21:58 (six years ago) link

hahaha, ENBB, you sound like me on this thread! Glad you are (finally) sticking with the retin-a!

kate78, Thursday, 8 August 2013 22:53 (six years ago) link

Frequently changing pillowcases is one of the most surprisingly valuable skin-care tips ever and I learned it from one of your posts.

― potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:54 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

As someone who has been hassling you about changing your sheets more often for years, I feel like I should get some credit for at least laying the groundwork here.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Thursday, 8 August 2013 22:54 (six years ago) link

I had my neck and chest dermapenned last week and then had straight retin-a applied immediately afterwards. Peeled like a motherfuckers all weekend but now I'm verrrry smoooooth.

kate78, Thursday, 8 August 2013 22:54 (six years ago) link

idk, psychological peace of mind is not the same thing as vanity. sometimes skin stuff, especially on yr face, can just kind a make you feel a bit paranoid and/or set apart. seeking answers is fine!

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:53 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also this is super true.

Also! The salon where I have been getting my hair cut since 2005 declared me one of their "top clients" and sent me a card good for a free facial! This is very exciting. I have had two facials in my life (one free because my roommate worked at a salon and one gift), but they are definitely things that I see as complete indulgences that I am unwilling to purchase myself. For once my skin isn't giving me any grief, too, so I feel like I can just go in for the relaxation aspect as opposed to the problem solving aspect.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Thursday, 8 August 2013 22:58 (six years ago) link

Several years ago I was able to afford a facial every two weeks. The spa used Pevonia products and my skin looked amazing after four sessions. I remember friends telling me it was like I had a film removed and strangers at grocery stores and out and about would come up and compliment me or ask me if I was French. I miss facials! They are totally worth it. Of course finding the right esthetician can be tricky and products that agree with you.

*tera, Friday, 9 August 2013 00:23 (six years ago) link

I've never had a facial. I always thought they were excessive but I guess I was wrong!

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 9 August 2013 02:32 (six years ago) link

I mean that 100% sincerely lest I sound flip. I really never knew they actually did anything.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 9 August 2013 02:34 (six years ago) link

I have oily skin and maybe that's why it made a noticeable difference. My skin really looked clean and smooth and more balanced.

*tera, Friday, 9 August 2013 02:44 (six years ago) link

As someone who has been hassling you about changing your sheets more often for years, I feel like I should get some credit for at least laying the groundwork here.

― Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Thursday, August 8, 2013 5:54 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Haha yes. It's just that I'd never realized that being less filthy could have tangible effects on my dermal wellness.

Re facials: what do they involve? Like LL, I'd always thought they were just about pampering and some snake oil (until recently I thought every hair and skin product beyond plain old soap, conditioner, and lotion was snake oil) and maybe some hardcore pore extraction.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Friday, 9 August 2013 04:45 (six years ago) link

Just googled Pevonia and the first product I looked at says

An unsurpassed formula with micronized actives: Caviar (repairing)

CAVIAR! o_0

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Friday, 9 August 2013 04:48 (six years ago) link

The facials I've had have involved the application of steam and like, a whole bunch of skin care products - masks, scrubs, peels - plus hardcore pore extraction and some moisturizing and face/neck/shoulder massage. I don't think it's snake oil, but like I said, it's def a pampering thing for me. I've never had them regularly though so who knows how amazing my skin could be.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 9 August 2013 12:11 (six years ago) link

something i never knew: a regular t-shirt is like SPF 5

something else i never knew: either you are using SPF 50 or you are just fucking around

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 August 2013 13:37 (six years ago) link

Women's mag wisdom, at least from the last time I read women's magazines, was that anything over SPF 30 was a waste. That's been awhile, though.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:22 (six years ago) link

keep up, GRANDMA!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:26 (six years ago) link

lol

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:33 (six years ago) link

and if you do, you'll be such a sexy grandma. mmmmm sexy wrinkle-free grandma.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:35 (six years ago) link

I bought a Marie Claire in the airport the other day but I only read the first ten pages or so before I got annoyed and stopped. I will revisit to determine the most expedient way to become sexy and wrinkle-free.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:42 (six years ago) link

this looked like a good airport read for the ladies on this thread (if you speak french):

http://f.cl.ly/items/3A3A0l17283i0m1Q0p1m/ClouDrop%209%20Aug%202013%2016%3A48%3A56.png

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:50 (six years ago) link

lol sorry, sorta confused this with the body positivity thread.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:51 (six years ago) link

i.e. i have no idea if there are specific skin-care tips in there. though i wouldn't be surprised. there was a little fiction, some fashion stuff, some culture stuff.. like, basically a "woman's magazine" except not quite so in hock to the 5 conglomerates that own every product marketed to women.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 August 2013 14:59 (six years ago) link

Women's mag wisdom, at least from the last time I read women's magazines, was that anything over SPF 30 was a waste. That's been awhile, though.

Me too, but what I read was that anything over SPF 15 was a waste. Also quite awhile ago, so I guess I'm a grandma too.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:11 (six years ago) link

I don't know that it's a "waste" but the protection increases only very incrementally above 30 or so--you only gain a few percentage points' more protection even when you make a big jump in SPF number. Considering that the UV blocking chemicals can irritate some skin etc etc, it just makes sense to find a balance somewhere in between and make sure to reapply.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:28 (six years ago) link

Also considering that in our lifetimes, sun protection has gone from "none" to "absolutely crucial, don't ever go outside" levels of alarm, I think we tend to put a lot of faith in sunscreens, esp ones that seem extreme (do they still make Bullfrog?), to give a level of protection that they can't deliver. Like, a strong sunscreen is not a magic bullet.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:30 (six years ago) link

I used to use Bullfrog on my face when I lifeguarded. But being a grandma, I have no idea whether it is still around.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:31 (six years ago) link

I was going to say, I'm pretty sure it was marketed as the lifeguard's sunscreen! That's def how I thought of it, it had a certain cachet.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:35 (six years ago) link

i'm getting this from my wife, who talks to doctors about this stuff for a living. who knows, in 20 years things could change (and the definition of SPF numbers could change...), but that's what they're saying now.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:37 (six years ago) link

Bullfrog on the face, Banana Boat SPF 15 everywhere else (this was the 80s so SPF 15 was some cutting edge shit). I have a crazy strong olfactory memory of Banana Boat to this day. I can smell it whenever I listen to Led Zeppelin III, which was on heavy rotation at the time, and if I actually smell Banana Boat I can totally smell chlorine and hear pool sounds.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:49 (six years ago) link

i see way more young people with umbrellas to protect themselves from the sun than i did even a few years ago. it's def a lot less greasy/comedogenic (do people still use this word?) than sunscreen.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:52 (six years ago) link

I use that word.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Friday, 9 August 2013 16:13 (six years ago) link

I'd totally carry a parasol. But I never can find one!

homosexual II, Friday, 9 August 2013 17:24 (six years ago) link

Does anyone else have extreme fatigue after being in the sun? Even if I am out in direct sun (especially in summer) for like an hour, I feel like TOTAL SHIT the rest of the day. Like after a hangover.

homosexual II, Friday, 9 August 2013 17:25 (six years ago) link

I find a day in the sun tiring but also a day in the wind, or a day in the cold, or etc. Maybe it's just the extremes of stimulation as compared to being indoors in relatively static environments?

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 17:32 (six years ago) link

The sun DRAINS!!!

On facials: It depends on the products used and the combination and order they are used. I have had a Skinceuticals facial and it didn't do much for me but my friend had awesome results.

The last facials I had were in 2011. I had three done at Esty in Austin and it was all natural, organic products, various brands, and I didn't see a big difference. It has to be Pevonia for me. Geez the very last facial I had done at Esty, not with my usual girl, was a huge catastrophe! The woman (con-artist) kept telling me what she was doing and I was like okay, okay, cool...not asking, TELLING me what she was doing as she began to do it. The price was $300 when we were done! GRRRRRRRRRR! The place is really reasonable so to hike it to $300 was BS! A week later I looked better but nothing super great.

I feel after one session you should see a difference in three days that last two weeks. After the second session, even better....never stinging, broken capillaries, redness that lasts more than a day. Best to ask what products are used before you make an appointment and look into them if not familiar. I prefer esties that don't use tools for extractions but have a gentle touch, use fingers and steam. I love it if they have a machine that cleans your pores, like a fcae vacuum cleaner. I like a mild peel and someone who can tell me what's going on with my skin and how to be pro-active.

I took a trip to Vegas and returned with really wrecked skin, windburn, dry and super oily at the same time, zits...saw my girl and she fixed it right up and it was balanced and soothed within a few days.

*tera, Friday, 9 August 2013 18:20 (six years ago) link

Does anyone else have extreme fatigue after being in the sun? Even if I am out in direct sun (especially in summer) for like an hour, I feel like TOTAL SHIT the rest of the day. Like after a hangover.

― homosexual II, Friday, August 9, 2013 5:25 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's not as bad as a hangover, but being out in the sun definitely wears me out more than other outdoor activity.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 9 August 2013 18:30 (six years ago) link

Good tips, tera. And HomoII, I have the exact same experience with direct sun. I can manage better if I get to stay in the shade, but even with tons of sunscreen and no burning, I am shot with fatigue after hours in the sun.

I mean if ya think about it, you're receiving radiation! What is one of the most common side effects of radiation treatment for cancer? FATIGUE.

quincie, Friday, 9 August 2013 18:30 (six years ago) link

I bought a parasol online and it is LOVELY. The shade it provides is a little less than I expected, but I like it anyway.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7122/7816063142_927665bcba_n.jpg

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 9 August 2013 18:59 (six years ago) link

I just realized that this reaction to sunlight is why I shy away from outdoor activities. Like, I could never go to the beach or the pool on an afternoon and do anything else besides nap afterward. And I will FEEL sunburnt. And my skin will even be pink, but then its fine the next day. I just want to be one of those people who likes to sit in the sun.

homosexual II, Friday, 9 August 2013 19:27 (six years ago) link

I find being in direct sunlight enervating, not sure if draining is the word so much as just extremely deeply irritating. I don't enjoy it.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:28 (six years ago) link

I am with all you anti sun people

I despise ” laying out”

just1n3, Friday, 9 August 2013 19:39 (six years ago) link

Homo I was just looking at parasols last night - I will post links when I am not on my ph

just1n3, Friday, 9 August 2013 19:40 (six years ago) link

i get irritated and sweaty lying out in the sun. even reading in the sun eventually wears on me.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 August 2013 20:02 (six years ago) link

i fucking love lying out in the sun. it's kind of a rush, like how bad can i fuck myself up without fucking myself up too much. tmi?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 August 2013 20:19 (six years ago) link

Lying out is sort of an extreme, it's not even an activity, it's just exposing as much of yrself to the sun's rays as possible while doing nothing. Activities that happen to take place outside on a nice day are way better! Like swimming, which also has the benefit of keep the sweat and dustiness down.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 20:24 (six years ago) link

Or boating of some kind. Or floating down a river in an innertube.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 20:27 (six years ago) link

I'm not saying that if you hate the sun, you'll like any of those things, just that laying out is the faaaar end of liking the sun.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 20:28 (six years ago) link

well, it's not just laying out. I can't enjoy anything outdoors in the bright sun. I'd like to go on hikes or go bike riding and stuff and I just cannot tolerate it. That's why I am stoked for an overcast, grey day... because I can go out and do stuff!

homosexual II, Friday, 9 August 2013 20:43 (six years ago) link

That's sad! You should live in Forks. Or Bend.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 20:43 (six years ago) link

Definitely do not, I repeat, DO NOT move to Baja.

*slaps head, books tix for Japan*

quincie, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:01 (six years ago) link

Sun-induced immune suppression is an actual thing btw: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16185286

Jaq, Friday, 9 August 2013 21:07 (six years ago) link

my wife's other piece of sun advice: expose yrself ( ooo er ) to full sunlight for 5-10 minutes a day for a healthy blast of vitamin D that works better than vitamin pills. more than that is useless and, without protection, potentially harmful.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 August 2013 10:53 (six years ago) link

Does sunscreen affect vitamin D production?

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Saturday, 10 August 2013 17:46 (six years ago) link

y

JuliaA, Saturday, 10 August 2013 17:47 (six years ago) link

darker skin affects vitamin D, too. melanin.

JuliaA, Saturday, 10 August 2013 17:49 (six years ago) link

my regimen:

aveeno 15 spf facial moisturizer on my face in the and aveeno 15 spf body lotion in the am (i should probably upgrade the spf when i run out)
clarisonic w/ gentle brush with trader joe's facial cleanser (makeupalley recommends it as a solid knock-off of dr perricone's cleanser) -> retin a micro -> cerave (if my skin has been particularly dry} in the pm. then some aquaphor on my lips for good measure.

musically, Saturday, 10 August 2013 19:36 (six years ago) link

That's a good rec, my Badescu cleansers are running out and too rich for my pocketbook at the moment, will add to TJ's shopping list.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Saturday, 10 August 2013 19:48 (six years ago) link

I think they have a couple, this is the specific one:

http://www.traderjoes.com/fearless-flyer/article.asp?article_id=257

musically, Saturday, 10 August 2013 20:26 (six years ago) link

I am also in high altitude, which makes the sun way harsher. In other areas of the country I don't seem nearly as affected. And if I go on a hike in the mountains, I am toast for the rest of the day.

homosexual II, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:51 (six years ago) link

Oh yeah, I didn't even think about that but that is OTM. When I lived in Boulder I felt like I would just wilt into a limp pile if I stayed in direct sunlight for more than a few minutes. At sea level, it's more like I'm just tired as hell for the rest of the day but I remember a couple of times living in CO that the impact was immediate and intense.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:59 (six years ago) link

Well, I've been to the doc, she saw my face, and I have a new regimen. Yay?

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:14 (six years ago) link

what is the regimen?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:15 (six years ago) link

and yay!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:15 (six years ago) link

Sure, why not yay? What did she recommend?

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:15 (six years ago) link

xp what VG said!

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:15 (six years ago) link

it's so complicated that i don't even understand it yet. i have to go to the pharmacy, but basically i have acne :-/

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:16 (six years ago) link

she also said i should wash my hair more because the greasy bangs were getting on my forehead.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:17 (six years ago) link

Well at least it's not something exotic that nobody knows how to treat. It would be worse if she were like, "HUH! Weird. I have never seen anything like that before. Maybe try Cetaphil?"

Try just washing your bangs. That's what I do, although it's more to keep my greasy forehead from making my bangs greasy than vice versa. It does necessitate wetting your hair, though.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:19 (six years ago) link

I even asked her "am I overreacting?" and she was like "nope, you have acne" and I was so thankful for the straight talk. That's all I want from people most of the time.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:24 (six years ago) link

Does the regimen involve spironolactone? Because I love that stuff so much, magic bullet for realz (ymmv).

quincie, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:51 (six years ago) link

i have no idea -- i just know that i sincerely hope whatever it is works. there's a retinoid in there somewhere. i mean, i now have an AM and PM routine with multiple specialized products. it seems really confusing but i'm sure i'll get it down if i just tape the instructions to the bathroom wall and slow down.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:56 (six years ago) link

ah OK spironolactone is an oral med that acts as an anti-andronergic, slapping down some of those pesky testosteroney hormones that can cause hormonal acne in the wimmins.

Fear not the retinoid, vitamin-A derivatives are your friend!

quincie, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:58 (six years ago) link

wait a second, it's testosterone that causes women to get acne?!

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:00 (six years ago) link

Yes! Just like the steroid-abusing athletes! Well I mean there are other causes, but when the acne is tied to your menstrual cycle, that is probably the culprit.

quincie, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:01 (six years ago) link

I wonder if that's why I have had so many probs with hormonal bc.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:07 (six years ago) link

Hormones are mysterious and powerful things.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:11 (six years ago) link

the downhill slide of my skin's condition definitely coincided with beginning hormonal bc in my early 20s, and never got better even after i went off it.

just1n3, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:21 (six years ago) link

you don't even want to know how long i was on it or when i started

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:28 (six years ago) link

two small observations a few hours after this appointment, which btw has given me an iota of hope that my skin will not look shitty anymore

1) let it be known that i find this thread by searching "rolling wrinkles"

2) i'm feeling a little grouchy inside about the recentish pervasiveness of "cleansing" oneself/the need to "give one's organs a break from toxins" in order to "clear the mind and body" (or whatever horseshitty language people are using these days) because it implies that there's something i am doing/ingesting to deserve having shitty skin. and you know what? that's just not true. i dislike the idea that i need to starve myself and/or purify my mind in order to "cleanse" the "toxins" from myself.

that's all, the end

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 20:59 (six years ago) link

ppl need to "cleanse" themselves from this "toxins" bullshit talk imo

kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:08 (six years ago) link

OTM x infinity

LL, if you EVER want to talk shit about the cleansing/toxins bozos, Jesse and I are here for you. It's one of my favorite objects of scorn and derision.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:13 (six years ago) link

i asked my doc point blank if i was doing something wrong (hygiene, food, hugging my dog, cleanliness of towels, etc) and she said no, as far as she can tell, this is just garden variety acne and it's not my fault. i am inclined to believe her before i try not-eating for a week and seeing the effect that has on my mental and physical health. i can't imagine it would be good.

I AM AWARE that she may be shilling for these product companies, i guess, but she did give me samples and coupons and a little bit of hope and didn't try to starve me, so i will give her benefit of the doubt for now.

it's just hard because people i like and care about (in some cases) are trying this shit and i have to keep my mouth shut but i just...i just think it's cruel to equate starvation diets with purity of any kind.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:15 (six years ago) link

Well we equate health and beauty (by a narrow definition) and thinness with purity, too, so it all makes sense in a fucked up and gross way. And it's reinforced by the pervasiveness of just-world theory where every time somebody is ill, we rush to figure out what that person may have done to prevent it. I'm sorry that you were feeling like you were doing something wrong and I'm glad your doc didn't reinforce that.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:17 (six years ago) link

Blame-iness, the idea that a person has this problem because of something they do, is one side of a coin of which the other side is the illusion that we can do something, take control of something, to perfect ourselves. LL, iirc you have NEVER been a fan of the smell of self-flagellation in the morning, which I think is really smart and healthy.

xp lol carl beat me.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:18 (six years ago) link

The thing is I would actually believe it if a doc told me my skin was all my fault bc of my life choices, I would totally accept that blame for myself, but you have the healthiest diet/life I can possibly imagine.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:20 (six years ago) link

it's just weird to me how pervasive that idea is -- and how awful and cruel to oneself it is
it sounds like garden variety ED self-talk to me

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:23 (six years ago) link

rrrobyn and you and carl have, in particular, helped me hear the cruelty in those kinds of messages a lot more clearly. In matters of love, body acceptance, beauty, etc.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:29 (six years ago) link

Aw, shucks. But as I have mentioned, I am standing on the shoulders of giants on that issue, namely the brilliant and beautiful horseshoe.

Self love! Pass it on!

it's just weird to me how pervasive that idea is -- and how awful and cruel to oneself it is

Unformed thoughts in response: bootstrap capitalism, American rugged individualism, Puritanism, regular old capitalism because if you can't control it you can't buy a product to fix it and we can't have that.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:36 (six years ago) link

p much everything that gets me super angry can be traced back to puritans or greedy capitalists

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:40 (six years ago) link

says i on the rolling skincare thread
?!?!?

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:41 (six years ago) link

also glad to be of service, io :)

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:42 (six years ago) link

Always, always horseshoe.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:48 (six years ago) link

hahaha I am with you, LL. We have not discussed wrapping paper on the knocked up thread, puritans and capitalism on the skincare thread. Next up - Marxist feminism in the Trader Joe's thread!

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

LL, if you EVER want to talk shit about the cleansing/toxins bozos, Jesse and I are here for you. It's one of my favorite objects of scorn and derision.

YES. Like one ILXor once said, "I wish I had more time to argue on the internet" b/c there's TOXINS talk is such bullshit. And carl's unformed thoughts OTM.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 20:12 (six years ago) link

Ugh, let's include juicing bozos, too.

kate78, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 20:15 (six years ago) link

I too went to the dermatologist yesterday. Mostly to get some little brown spots on my temple looked at. Tthey were "nothing" (hyperkeratosis) but he offered to remove them, which he did w/ a combination of freezing and scraping (so they could be biopsied) and cautery, which caused a visible, stinky smoke.

He also prescribed Retin-A per my request and told me I was unusually sensitive to bug bites and gave me a sample of some cream. Their office has a cosmetology branch and the cosmetologist nurse tried to sell me some $45 retinol lotion instead ("well, your insurance probably won't pay for Retin-A," but they did b/c the doctor wrote that it was indicated for acne) and talked to me about laser resurfacing and I told her get thee behind me.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 20:21 (six years ago) link

I'd be all "Lady I'd sooner laser resurface my floors than my face, tyvm"

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 20:25 (six years ago) link

note to self --
if you are smearing 4 kinds of medicated creams on your face daily, your face is going to peel (exfoliate) and you may want to have a little purse sized moisturizer (that is safe for faces) on hand at ALL TIMES for those moments of severe molting

no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 16 August 2013 15:24 (six years ago) link

i can never just leave my face alone and so I basically picked a fucking whole in it that's all scabbed over now and looks just lovely.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Friday, 16 August 2013 18:21 (six years ago) link

i look like a facial leper

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Friday, 16 August 2013 18:21 (six years ago) link

eh, one scab does not a leper make

no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 16 August 2013 18:26 (six years ago) link

your body cleanses itself of toxins. Unless you have a genetic SNP that makes it so you don't clear toxins well (like MTHFR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTHFR)

HOWEVER, you can have a toxic lifestyle that makes it hard for the body to clear them out. Heavy metals, chemicals in cosmetics, hormone-laden food, etc.

I have been DEEP DIVING into sciencey shit lately about our environment and our genetics snd it's fascinating.

homosexual II, Friday, 16 August 2013 18:34 (six years ago) link

Sooo... in a sentence: toxin cleansing is a real thing, I don't think you can do it by juice fasting specifically or anything like that, but I think women are far more suspectible to toxin build up because of our lifestyles (makeup, hair coloring, etc).

homosexual II, Friday, 16 August 2013 18:35 (six years ago) link

Heavy metal detoxing is like the most intense process ever that can take years and no amount of juicing will ever help.

Amanda: look into a zinc supplement, you may be deficient if you have acne.

I'm the Sanpaku of skincare today!

homosexual II, Friday, 16 August 2013 18:39 (six years ago) link

la lechera otm. tho in general I won't butt into people's business if they want to do a cleanse thing or whatever. I'm kind of a curmudgeon about alternative medicine.

I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Friday, 16 August 2013 18:50 (six years ago) link

LL did you just quit hormonal BC? When I quit the pill I got horrible acne.

homosexual II, Friday, 16 August 2013 19:19 (six years ago) link

nope
that was 3 years ago

i'm not gonna butt into anyone's life either -- i was just overwhelmed by the # of people i knew who were doing it and the pressure (via their incessant irl updates/kvetching) to believe that my body was deteriorating at my own hand
really i do not lead a toxic lifestyle but also i know it's gonna take a lot more than juice to clean the HEAVY METAL out of my body
lol

no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 16 August 2013 19:32 (six years ago) link

YES

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 16 August 2013 19:55 (six years ago) link

Excuse me, but it's time for me to GET THE LED OUT.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Friday, 16 August 2013 19:56 (six years ago) link

HEY HEY MAAA

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 August 2013 20:02 (six years ago) link

heavy metal detox band name called it

musically, Monday, 19 August 2013 00:39 (six years ago) link

Well, a little over a week into night application of Retin A (.025%) and absolutely no undesirable effects! I think one morning my skin might have felt a little different, like it feels after getting some sun, but it could have been my imagination. Probably want to bump up to .05% next time. How long until I get a porcelain complexion?

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Friday, 23 August 2013 14:26 (six years ago) link

That's great but just FYI most people who do go through purging don't get that until around week 3. Porcelain complexion around 4-6 months.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Friday, 23 August 2013 14:37 (six years ago) link

:( Just let me pretend I'm special.

I'm mostly surprised that I haven't gotten redness or sensitivity despite not having changed any other aspects of what I do to my face.

Me in 4-6 mos

http://drfreex.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/scob.jpg?w=300&h=223

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Friday, 23 August 2013 15:06 (six years ago) link

best movie!
my face is doing ok but i think i chemical burned a little area near my lip because it was flaky this morning

no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 23 August 2013 15:44 (six years ago) link

Yeah I sometimes get the lip irritation thing :(

quincie, Friday, 23 August 2013 15:55 (six years ago) link

looks like i got scab face but that's better than zits

no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:24 (six years ago) link

at least atm it is
please no faces of meth photos

no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 23 August 2013 16:24 (six years ago) link

Suddenly got red dots, like tiny broken blood vessels maybe, all round both eyes. They're all over the eyelids as well as under and next to both eyes. I didn't have them at 11am yesterday, and I did when I looked in a mirror at 4pm yesterday. WTF? They're still there this morning. Not painful, and nothing else going on except for a sore throat.

ljubljana, Sunday, 25 August 2013 13:53 (six years ago) link

You can get them from any kind of strain that builds up pressure in your head (I don't know the technical term). I've had them from vomiting and coughing for sure.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Sunday, 25 August 2013 13:59 (six years ago) link

yep. they should clear up in a couple of days, assuming yr coughing subsides

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 August 2013 14:57 (six years ago) link

Are they itchy? Are they under the skin, or swollen spots?

When I vomit, I get black eyes from burst blood vessels. They looked really awful. Last time I vomited, I pressed my hands under my eyes and didn't get the black eyes. I've thought about putting an ice pack over my eyes next time I have to puke, if possible.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Sunday, 25 August 2013 16:02 (six years ago) link

Sorry but I loled at "When I vomit, ______" dependent clause.

no fomo (La Lechera), Sunday, 25 August 2013 17:26 (six years ago) link

LOLing at being able to pause and get an icepack prior to puking.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Sunday, 25 August 2013 17:36 (six years ago) link

My vomiting episodes have almost exclusively been significant life events and they involve a lot of to-do, e.g., denial, bargaining (actual praying, tho I'm an atheist), whimpering, much more denial, crying, preparing a kneeling towel, cleaning the toilet, black eye abatement, and finally, actually vomiting. It wouldn't be hard to throw an ice pack into the event.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Sunday, 25 August 2013 18:27 (six years ago) link

I suppose not in that scenario.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Sunday, 25 August 2013 18:49 (six years ago) link

They're not itchy, and not swollen, and they seem to be very slightly faded? Not sure yet. I'll find out when I get off this overnight bus.

Je55e, I'm familiar with denial prior to vomiting!

ljubljana, Monday, 26 August 2013 00:38 (six years ago) link

I get those whenever I have a particularly violent vomiting sesh.

homosexual II, Monday, 26 August 2013 17:05 (six years ago) link

so I am using this really mental woman's homemade face cream for night and it's actually kind of blowing my mind?? her website is TOTALLY CRAZY. It also smells WEIRD. I have no idea what the ingredients are.

http://www.hairgasm.com/products.php?cat=151&prod=114

homosexual II, Monday, 26 August 2013 17:07 (six years ago) link

http://www.hairgasm.com/content/ingredients

dang she sounds shady! glad it's working for you though

just1n3, Monday, 26 August 2013 17:36 (six years ago) link

what if it's just mayo

no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, 26 August 2013 17:37 (six years ago) link

It is kind of a light beige color, really sticky consistency, and smells kind of metallic-y. Its very strange. I am sure it's a BLESSED POTION by LOUISE LONGHAIRS. I also bought her wacky shampoo because I heard it's just incredible. I am not that impressed with the shampoo yet.

homosexual II, Monday, 26 August 2013 18:03 (six years ago) link

like, I wouldnt be surprised at all if the shampoo is just johnson and johnson baby shampoo. It kinda smells the same, even.

homosexual II, Monday, 26 August 2013 18:06 (six years ago) link

blood vessel things seem to be fading, so yay.

ljubljana, Monday, 26 August 2013 18:16 (six years ago) link

what if it's just mayo

― no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, August 26, 2013 5:37 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lololol

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Monday, 26 August 2013 18:30 (six years ago) link

it's "wholistic"

just1n3, Monday, 26 August 2013 20:04 (six years ago) link

lol

Note: [redacted]'s products do not contain or involve the use of any of these Dangerous Ingredients in our products or treatments:

No Pills

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:17 (six years ago) link

Apparently it's not mayo

No Animal or Animal By-Products

No pills, no mayo. We're narrowing it down.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:18 (six years ago) link

propane & propane accessories

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:25 (six years ago) link

WHERE do LONG HAIRS
ingredients come from and what are our ingredients principals?

EVERY
CULTURE IS DIFFERENT EVERY COUNTRY HAS DIFFERENT LAWS. We keep our
trade secrets a secret. It is alright to do that, we have trust. If you
have allergies, let us know:-)

that smiley face is a little menacing in its context...

sorry, I'm just slowly working my way through this site and every couple seconds finding something special.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:27 (six years ago) link

It is actually not alright to keep her "trade secrets" a secret if she is defining "trade secrets" as "ingredients."

http://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmeticlabelinglabelclaims/cosmeticlabelingmanual/ucm126444.htm

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:32 (six years ago) link

Sorry "alright"

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:32 (six years ago) link

Yeh, I was wondering!

H2, what led to your using this lady's product?

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:41 (six years ago) link

Now that we've roundly mocked the product and exposed this woman's illegal operation...

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:43 (six years ago) link

Well, it's working, apparently. Even if that means it's replaced H2's soul with a long-haired marketing demon.... Careful, y'all.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:51 (six years ago) link

lol of COURSE she has a moon cycle widget on her site.

potatoes-in-law (Je55e), Monday, 26 August 2013 20:53 (six years ago) link

I know, isn't it mental? I was reading a PCOS message board and some of the PCOS-ers were talking about how awesome her shampoo is, and I just had to try it. I went for the skin cream kind of on a whim. GLAD I DID.

The most luxuriant wholistic mayo I've ever put on my face!

homosexual II, Monday, 26 August 2013 21:49 (six years ago) link

can someone in Toronto (ATTN: FINEFINEMUSIC) please go get their hairs done by louise longhairs, I guess she is really mean

http://www.longhairs.com/sites/default/files/CIMG0228b.jpg

homosexual II, Monday, 26 August 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

also her products are insanely expensive

homosexual II, Monday, 26 August 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

Wait, she's a mean hair stylist, too? Amazing. What a weirdo!

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Monday, 26 August 2013 21:58 (six years ago) link

FFM's regular stylist just moved out of town! Great timing!

ljubljana, Monday, 26 August 2013 23:29 (six years ago) link

omg tempting

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 19:24 (six years ago) link

don't you want her to yell at you for dying your hair? sounds like a blast, right?

homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 19:25 (six years ago) link

I do need a haircut (was thinking of getting one TODAY) but there is no price list (would've gone to reg stylist before she moved but need to cheap out) and I have to fill out an "about you" form before I can book an appointment! Xp

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 19:27 (six years ago) link

Hahaha no kidding. My hairstylist used ~organic~ dye so maybe I'll just be gently chastised. Or she will list out how the dye was not actually organic and aren't I glad she's here to tell me the truth??

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 19:28 (six years ago) link

I have to fill out an "about you" form before I can book an appointment!

Lmao

een, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 20:11 (six years ago) link

Mostly innocuous if self involved but:

"Do people try to pressure you into cutting your hair shorter for them or any other reasons? Tell Longhairs all about it... If this is preceeding a naturopathy-only session, list about what average doctor want to try to put you on. instead. : *"

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 20:15 (six years ago) link

...what?

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 20:18 (six years ago) link

I'm ready to pay pal you some money for a haircut from this woman, especially if we can fill out the about me form together as a group.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 20:19 (six years ago) link

That's . . . that's totally incomprehensible?

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 20:19 (six years ago) link

doctor/want s/v disagreement is causing probs here

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 20:42 (six years ago) link

I like to think of my hair as long but I think I would get laughed out of there, also unsure where she wants me to indicate my hair's state vis-a-vis "yes/no"

"Do you presently have long hair (you get comments that tell you your hair's longer than most in society)? What do you think the state or length of your hair and skin is?: *
Yes
No
No, just coming for better hair and scalp"

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 20:57 (six years ago) link

what is the length of yr skin

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:00 (six years ago) link

Just tried to Google and was displeased to find out that there is no website where I can input my height and weight and find out the approximate surface area of my skin. Once I learn how to program, I know what website I'm starting!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:03 (six years ago) link

http://withfriendship.com/images/d/15913/Jame-Gumb-picture.jpg

"What was the length of her skin?"

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:04 (six years ago) link

geez for real!

she is a long hairist

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:04 (six years ago) link

Omg at all of this, would also Paypal for FFM to go

een, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:26 (six years ago) link

I NEED to know what this woman is like

homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:46 (six years ago) link

Yeah I mean I am an unemployed stoodent but I will still donate several days of lunch money to this cause, no kidding.

quincie, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 00:27 (six years ago) link

Too bad Tabitha's Salon Takeover is off the air because her visiting Long Hairz would be an amazing display of crazy.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 01:19 (six years ago) link

You guys are too funny. I'm not sure I could keep a straight face! She feels like the type who'll insist I buy a lot of potions for my frazzled hair.

Ohh man yes rip TST

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 01:20 (six years ago) link

i think i found louise longhair's soulmate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RByqVJIfKCI&list=PL5D1247F885F0F167

homosexual II, Thursday, 29 August 2013 20:44 (six years ago) link

good news -- the regimen is working! my skin has completely cleared up and i don't think it has looked this good in years. yay.
bad news - not really that bad of news, but the peeling has begun. there's a spot on each side under my bottom lip that requires constant supervision/lotioning

whole face still stings from time to time, but i think it's bc of heat/sweat/sun? overall, i feel better about my face skin than i did 2 months ago. i'll take it.

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 3 September 2013 20:54 (six years ago) link

dud: shiseido sunscreen: it goes on nicely bc its a thin runny lotion, doesn't seem to leave too white of a cast but... Jesus christ by the end of every day its in my goddamn eyes and its so painful! Its supposedly ophthalmologist approved, too! I mostly bought it for jordan, bc I'm trying to get him in the habit of wearing sunscreen every day, but its fucking up his already allergy-irritated eyes too (he head/face sweats way more than me).

just1n3, Monday, 16 September 2013 07:03 (six years ago) link

bad news -- whole face peeling in a way that is unsightly if not slightly alarming if left alone for more than 1 waking hr.

tips for gentle exfoliation of sensitive skin that seems to be molting?

no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2013 13:44 (six years ago) link

i have a good suggestion for sunscreen for sensitive skin and people whose eyes it hurts (myself incl) -- elta md 46SPF, uses transparent zinc oxide instead of whatever that weird stingy chemical is and has been doing fine for me (not related to above molting).

no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2013 13:47 (six years ago) link

Thanks! Yeah I have been using the neutragena stuff which I like, but I really want to switch to a mineral sunscreen, so I'll track down this elta stuff

just1n3, Monday, 16 September 2013 15:00 (six years ago) link

Can you give your derm a follow up call about the peeling?

just1n3, Monday, 16 September 2013 15:01 (six years ago) link

yeah i probably should

no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2013 15:04 (six years ago) link

Pro-tip on retinol-induced peeling: don't attempt additional exfoliation! The retinol is doing the exfoliating for you!

Retinol-induced peeling isn't a "drying" side-effect, it is THE MAIN EVENT of how a retinol works: it is telling skin cells to die off and replenish at a much faster rate than before. Dialing back on either the retinol concentration (I can't do more than .05% retin-A) or frequency of application (every other day instead of daily; I do ~ 3x per week at night) can keep the cell turnover going without excessive peeling/redness/irritation.

quincie, Monday, 16 September 2013 15:43 (six years ago) link

gotcha! ty. i hope it calms down soon.

no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2013 15:56 (six years ago) link

contacting yr dermatologist seems like it would be a good move anyway, even just for peace of mind

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 September 2013 16:00 (six years ago) link

Yes, def! My guess is that he/she will suggest lower concentration or less frequent application. All of the six billion dermatologists I've seen have recommended a very gentle cleansing/moisturizing regimen while using retinols. I am a fan of Cerave for both cleanser/moisurizer; you can find it a drug stores.

quincie, Monday, 16 September 2013 16:11 (six years ago) link

The most exfoliating you need to do is with a wet washcloth. Moisturize like a beast.

kate78, Monday, 16 September 2013 17:16 (six years ago) link

My Retin-A seems to be doing nothing at all. No changes in my skin, either good or bad. :-/

disgruntled punter (Je55e), Monday, 16 September 2013 17:47 (six years ago) link

You gotta keep at it forever, basically.

quincie, Monday, 16 September 2013 17:56 (six years ago) link

I sort of wish I'd get some mild short-term irritation or something to indicate it's working!

disgruntled punter (Je55e), Monday, 16 September 2013 18:20 (six years ago) link

i dunno
my face has been stinging like it's raw and it feels/looks awful AND i have to full-face moisturize like every 2 hours
i think i'll be ok at work (today is work from home day) but yikes
def gonna lay off for a few days because otherwise things were going really well!

maybe your face is taking longer to dissolve, je55e?

no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2013 18:24 (six years ago) link

i use shisheido sunscreen and I've never had that problem! I buy the cream, though, not the lotion.

oh and the Mac retro matte lipsticks were relaunched - GET EM QUICK, they are amazing!!!!

homosexual II, Monday, 16 September 2013 19:02 (six years ago) link

Ok I think the retin A is doing it's thing for me because my skin is starting to look amazing. Granted I say that so of course I'm going to erupt in monster zits tomorrow but for now it's pretty ok. Also, I do every other night and use my clarisonic in the mornings and have had minimal peeling.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 02:25 (six years ago) link

yah i don't feel like my skin looks any different for it - it was looking a quite a bit better beforehand, when i started my new routine, but the last month has been so stupidly and unreasonably stressful, i've been really lazy about my skin and it's showing.

just1n3, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 03:54 (six years ago) link

I'm feeling a bit REVENGE OF THE ACNE because I think that for my age, I fall under "not much wrinkly." Which is entirely due to "much acne, needs retinols" in my 20s, which now manifests in two-decades-later "side effects" of not much wrinkly.

TAKE THAT, CLEAR-SKINNED, INDOOR-TANNING HIGH SCHOOL BEAUTIES!

quincie, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 05:03 (six years ago) link

The fact that I didn't do accutane until after grad school is so fucked up, and now it is even harder for girls to access. Not boys, just girls! FUCKED UP.

quincie, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 05:06 (six years ago) link

I barely remember to wash my face anymore and my skin looks amazing. I'm going to credit the fact that I can eat like seven things right now.

homosexual II, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 06:30 (six years ago) link

I got a zit! I feel like I just leveled up or got my first period.

disgruntled punter (Je55e), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 14:05 (six years ago) link

Mandeee, that gives me hope!! Maybe people with "great skin" are actually just "people with no food sensitivities."

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 14:31 (six years ago) link

I feel like we've come full circle to blaming our eating habits for our skin! I know they're related, but not for everyone. My diet is most excellent and my skin was uncooperative.

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 16:05 (six years ago) link

Your diet is MOST excellent. The apex of diets.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 16:19 (six years ago) link

I don't think blaming eating habits is necessarily bad. It's not like I was cramming my face with twixes and jelly donuts. I had weird issues with perfectly normal stuff like eggs and peppers.

homosexual II, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 16:59 (six years ago) link

So one's diet can be totally excellent but it can still potentially cause issues!

homosexual II, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 16:59 (six years ago) link

Yeah I was looking for a way to say that: my diet is not bad/I am not bad for eating it. It just might be that a lot of "normal" things aren't entirely "good" for me.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 17:00 (six years ago) link

yeah I think the kind of "bad eating" Amanda is referring to is like when people falsely assume anyone with "bad skin" is eating tons of sugar and crappy processed food.

homosexual II, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 17:07 (six years ago) link

but hey, I am fat, everyone assumes I am eating sugar and crappy processed food, too.

homosexual II, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 17:08 (six years ago) link

Yes. Sorry!!

no fomo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 18:04 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

mineral sunscreen vs chemical sunscreen: what do i need to know??

i want to find a good ss that
- doesn't leave a white cast
- can be applied over stubble (trying to get ytth into the habit of wearing ss daily, but the stuff i've got him using now makes it look like he has dandruff or something)
- isn't irritating to the eyes

i really like the neutrogena stuff, but it's chemical. i tried the shiseido stuff which is mineral but it's TERRIBLE - it always somehow ends up in your eyes by the end of the day - AND it really dried my skin out.

is chemical ss really bad in the longterm for your skin?

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 21:28 (six years ago) link

did you try the one i recommended? i still use it every day and it's great!

sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 21:32 (six years ago) link

lol i totally forgot about that, adding it to my amazon cart asap

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 21:47 (six years ago) link

chemical sunscreens irritate my face, that's the main reason I can't wear them. but the only sunscreen I use at the moment is combined in a cc cream. def try the LL recommendation, it sounds p legit

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 October 2013 16:45 (six years ago) link

My face is better btw. Still wear the sunscreen every day!

sweat pea (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 October 2013 17:31 (six years ago) link

I just can't tolerate chemical sunscreen because it irritates my skin. Peter Thomas Roth SPF 30 is excellent.

homosexual II, Thursday, 31 October 2013 20:14 (six years ago) link

(its partly chemical, partly zinc oxide)

homosexual II, Thursday, 31 October 2013 20:14 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

first time poster here

someone told me I should be applying an SPF moisturizer daily. I know everyone likes to advise this but is it actually really all that crucial?

Also, what on earth am I supposed to buy exactly that is non-greasy, non-smelly, and not like $40?

Homo schaduwkabinet (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 23 November 2013 22:36 (five years ago) link

ppl seem to like this jack black stuff

Homo schaduwkabinet (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 23 November 2013 22:43 (five years ago) link

i'm using the elta md stuff that la lechera recommended - it's pretty good (silky texture, no chalkiness, no white cast, not eye-irritating, not drying).

my FIL recently got a huge chunk of flesh removed from his face bc of skin cancer most likely caused by sun damage, so yeah, you probably should be wearing ss every day.

just1n3, Saturday, 23 November 2013 23:38 (five years ago) link

my dermatologist told me to use it -- it's $29 but i've been using the same bottle for three months at least and that is $10/mo., which isn't bad for melanoma insurance. what i really like about it is that it doesn't burn my eyes, give me zits, and is not greasy/smelly. also i have never seen it advertised, so i don't feel like i'm paying for celebrity endorsement/an inferior product.

everyone's got different needs, but i do think that ss is a good idea. before that i used some neutrogena stuff that was ok except kinda stingy on the eyes and my eyes are sensitive to stingy things.

sweat pea (La Lechera), Saturday, 23 November 2013 23:46 (five years ago) link

I believe I have previously confessed this but I don't wear sunscreen in the winter for the following reasons:

1. It's dark by 5 so my total sun exposure on any given day adds up to less than 15 minutes if even that. I figure I need the vitamin D.
2. My skin gets soooooo dry and no sunscreen is thick/moisturizing enough to counter Chicago winter.

I definitely wear it in the summer.

carl agatha, Sunday, 24 November 2013 00:52 (five years ago) link

i wear sunscreen AND moisturizer!

sweat pea (La Lechera), Sunday, 24 November 2013 02:18 (five years ago) link

Which Elta do you wear? I have a sunscreen now but it's pretty drying. I think I need a new one.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Sunday, 24 November 2013 04:54 (five years ago) link

the shiseido ss and, to a lesser extent, the neutrogena ss were both drying for me, but i'm not having that problem with the elta stuff at all.

just1n3, Sunday, 24 November 2013 05:07 (five years ago) link

not sure which one ll is using but this is the one i got

just1n3, Sunday, 24 November 2013 05:09 (five years ago) link

that's a good point; my daily sun exposure is like prob a total of 20 or 30 minutes a day entirely before 8:30 am so like idk how much I'd need this

Homo schaduwkabinet (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 24 November 2013 05:11 (five years ago) link

Melanoma aside, sun damage also causes wrinkles.

kate78, Sunday, 24 November 2013 15:55 (five years ago) link

Check out this truck driver whose left side was exposed to more sun than his right:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZeJikXCG2Nl1VHnfh5VOIwJoF4mYNQmbOg5LXjrCUQq0eDZ596WXPkiQ

kate78, Sunday, 24 November 2013 16:00 (five years ago) link

If you put on SPF moisturizer in the am how long does it realistically last?

Homo schaduwkabinet (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 24 November 2013 16:14 (five years ago) link

Holy fucking shit at the truck driver.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Sunday, 24 November 2013 16:22 (five years ago) link

I just got this one because it sounded creamier. I need a lot of moisture in the winter.

http://www.dermstore.com/product_uv+facial+broad-spectrum+spf+30+plus+-+tube_10150.htm?utm_source=dsblog&utm_medium=blog&utm_term=broadspectrum&utm_campaign=dsblog_20131028

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Sunday, 24 November 2013 16:24 (five years ago) link

Stevie I don't recall how much it costs, but I like the La Roche Posay daily moisturizer; it is SPF 15 which some might say is too low, but it has a very high PPD and good stability (according to sunscreen chemistry geeks on makeupalley). For daily use, especially in winter, this works well for me--doesn't look or feel icky and doesn't sting my eyes the way most stuff does. I don't need much in the moisturizing department, so this is fine for that, too.

In Baja I wore hard-core La Roche Posay Derma-Peds SPF 50+, which you can't get in the US why because FDA. I stock up at Duty Free shops whenever I can. It doesn't irritate and lasts and lasts, even with lots of H20ing.

quincie, Sunday, 24 November 2013 16:52 (five years ago) link

Oh the LRP daily moisturizer is at CVS and maybe Walgreens; only the Derma-Peds is hard to get a hold of.

quincie, Sunday, 24 November 2013 16:52 (five years ago) link

Here's what I learned:

  • UVA is the thing that causes wrinkles
  • Kiehl's Facial Fuel SPF 15 does not have UVA blockers
  • Lab Series, Anthony Logistics, and the Kieh's SPF 50 all block UVA but are crazy expensive (like $40 for a 1.5-3oz bottle)
  • Jack Black blocks UVA and is $17 for 1.5oz so I think I am going to try that

Homo schaduwkabinet (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 24 November 2013 19:26 (five years ago) link

I just use Olay Total Effects 7-in-1 thing (day moisturiser with SPF 15) and it lasts quite a while.
It's on the thicker side, I think.

kinder, Monday, 25 November 2013 19:08 (five years ago) link

Y-I-K-E-S! I use the Neutragena UVA/UVB protection.

Anyone making and using their own powder foundation? I had heard it is worth just buying since it supposedly helps fight sun damage as well. Mine has gone up in price.

*tera, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 02:01 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

Tonight begins my experiment using African black soap.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 03:00 (five years ago) link

That's the first time I've heard off it *goes off to google*!

quincie, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 03:09 (five years ago) link

Re our previous talks about keratosis pilaris: mine completely disappeared after I stopped using soap on the afflicted areas. At first I just stopped using soap, after reading something online that made me realize I didn't actually need to wash my arms and legs. The kp disappeared, and then I started using a salt body scrub some days and a salux cloth others, and my skin is bump free and super soft (I also use almond and apricot oils as a moisturizer).

just1n3, Thursday, 27 February 2014 22:24 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Coconut oil is not cutting it, at all, as lotion. I get out of the shower and put it on and go to sleep and by the next morning there are scaly patches on my arms and legs again. Just bought corn meal again after being out of it for a few weeks, and I'm excited to remove several of the uppermost layers of skin on most of my body.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 13:08 (five years ago) link

I've been lifting sheets of skin off my face with packing tape for weeks now. Really tired of this.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 13:13 (five years ago) link

omg wut

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Thursday, 20 March 2014 14:52 (five years ago) link

Try layering, maybe? Like, for my face I use a mixture of oils while in the shower, then I slap on a good moisturizer after that. You could also try a thin layer of aquaphor over the oil, to seal it.

just1n3, Thursday, 20 March 2014 15:37 (five years ago) link

African Black soap working well so far. Also got some fancy pants moisturizer that supposed to be really good so I'm pretty excited to start using that. Using Retin-A pretty regularly still and that's going well too. For body I'm alternating between coconut oil and AmLactin and that's been working brilliantly.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Thursday, 20 March 2014 16:17 (five years ago) link

I'm trying to use what I have because I owe so much money and don't really have prospects for getting a lot more, but I'm going to have to deal with buying some $30 moisturizer and skipping lunch a few more days because fucking A.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 16:42 (five years ago) link

do not skip lunch, just moisturize more than 1x a day?

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Thursday, 20 March 2014 16:48 (five years ago) link

It's more like the lotion is just not working. It gets on the surface but my skin still feels tight and peels? First turns hard and scaly and then peels like it's been burned. Around which, of course, it breaks out in oily whiteheads. Think I'm reacting badly to everything I try. Back to expensive brand counter that at least doesn't HURT me.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 16:57 (five years ago) link

Been using body lotion and odds and ends of free samples on my face all winter w p good results but ran out of the Creme por le Corps (lol my French) from Kiehls and no other lotion is safe. Even this Aveda one is peeling me like an onion.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 17:06 (five years ago) link

are you sure it's not the cleanser/soap?

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Thursday, 20 March 2014 17:10 (five years ago) link

I've changed that up a few times, too. Same. Just really tired of "getting ready" routine having to include removing/covering up my peeling and redness for 10 minutes first.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 17:17 (five years ago) link

Sorry to unload itt, it's been going on for a couple of months at different levels. Maybe I'm not eating of something? My hands split even though I moisturize them 6x a day, my arms and legs are rough...my skin hates me.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 17:19 (five years ago) link

*eating enough

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 17:19 (five years ago) link

are you drinking enough plain old water?

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Thursday, 20 March 2014 17:21 (five years ago) link

sorry that is an annoying question but i can tell usually within a day when i am not properly hydrated from within. it's like i can feel my brain shriveling up.

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Thursday, 20 March 2014 17:22 (five years ago) link

xxpost not like I'm any kind of authority but it sounds like a reaction to something yr using, or something in yr diet

stress could be part of it too imo

i would stop cleansing/moisturizing altogether with what you are using & (if you can) switch to something suuuuper mild. cetaphil or cerave. don't go to the expensive counter til you know for sure what's causing this imo, or it'll be a waste of precious moola

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 March 2014 17:34 (five years ago) link

yeah, also my hair/skin/nails get really brittle when i'm stressed or not eating enough!

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Thursday, 20 March 2014 17:50 (five years ago) link

in orbit...would you mind posting a pic of this peeling? Or send one to me?

kate78, Thursday, 20 March 2014 18:46 (five years ago) link

Thanks for caring, you two! I'll try Cetaphil/Cerave again and see if it works better this time; as veg says, if it doesn't work, at least it's cheap.

xp oh I forget we have a specialist! I haven't washed my face yet today so it's not bad yet but I can take one later and send to you?

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 18:49 (five years ago) link

kate to the rescue!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 March 2014 18:50 (five years ago) link

I think the face scaliness was from using this sunscreen that someone at Sephora recommended. I said I could only tolerate physical blocks and not chemical ones, and she said it was a physical agent, but I still reacted.

Their Fresh Lotus Youth Preserve face cream was an okay moisturizer but I had to apply a lot to relieve my dryness.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 18:55 (five years ago) link

that all sounds pretty bad, io - like, more than just basic-level dryness. not to freak you out or anything, just saying that it sounds like an asshole to deal with. sympathies :/

just1n3, Thursday, 20 March 2014 19:55 (five years ago) link

hope you can get it under control inexpensively

extreme skin discomfort is a huge bummer, can really fuck with you mentally (or at least it did with me)

hang in there!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 March 2014 20:05 (five years ago) link

I mean apart from being named "Fresh Lotus Youth Preserve," which, come the f on!

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 20:21 (five years ago) link

lol @ fresh lotus youth preserve
decent band name though?

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Thursday, 20 March 2014 20:22 (five years ago) link

Totes.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 20:28 (five years ago) link

Which clothing line was it that had the hipster model with the giant lotus throat tattoo?

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 20 March 2014 20:28 (five years ago) link

asos!

kinder, Thursday, 20 March 2014 20:42 (five years ago) link

but also Morrissey and Robert Smith and the Queen

kinder, Thursday, 20 March 2014 20:43 (five years ago) link

(as tatts, not who also have giant lotus throat tattoos... although maybe Liz keeps hers covered up)

kinder, Thursday, 20 March 2014 20:44 (five years ago) link

hey, in orbit, yeah, send we whatever you got, what worries you the most, etc, and I'll pass it around the office.

kate78, Thursday, 20 March 2014 21:07 (five years ago) link

I've never used anything by Fresh other than then sugar lip balm which I think is overrated. Also, if I'd been allowed to get tattooed last year at 16 I totally would have gotten Morrissey and Robert Smith tattoos but prob not the queen or a lotus or anything on my neck.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Thursday, 20 March 2014 22:09 (five years ago) link

Man IO that sounds like a real pain in the ass/face. Makes me feel a little more accepting of my skin; it's a hell of a long ways from "flawless," but at least it doesn't *hurt*! Thanking u mottled bumpy skin for being only cosmetically and not physically annoying.

quincie, Friday, 21 March 2014 01:12 (five years ago) link

Thanks, everyone! I've been using Mario Badescu for 3-4 years and forgot I was so goddamn sensitive.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 21 March 2014 01:17 (five years ago) link

kate, you are a dear. I've thrown out the offending sunscreen moisturizer and I just sanded myself with cornmeal and honey and feel 100x better, but if the condition persists I will gratefully accept your offer.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 21 March 2014 02:26 (five years ago) link

I am a bit ocd about the skin around my eyes, as I have mentioned before. I have been experimenting with diff eyecreams for some time now, but haven't really found anything good. I liked the clinique all about eyes but I've been hoping I could find something better. Tried some inexpensive options, no real joy. Anyway, got a sample of a Kiehl's eyecream a while back (long name, something something super duper avocado blah blah). I used it while I was travelling, and I was kinda shocked at what a difference it made. It was a little greasy, but the skin under my eyes smoothed out, and it helped to firm up the skin above my eyelids which is kinda droopy. I used it up in a week though, and went back to my cheapo one when I got home. I was trying to convince myself I didn't need to get it, because $$$, but this whole time I've been thinking, man that eyecream was ~the business~

So I finally bought a proper container of it today (I mean, if this shit holds up, then technically I'm saving money, since I've been buying $10 tubes and not finishing them so I can totally justify this in my head lol)...it's so sad how product purchase = happiness but ugh you guys I'm so happy to have this properly in my routine now

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 March 2014 01:41 (five years ago) link

oh and the guy who sold it to me had this SUPER-affected way of talking it sounded like he was saying 'UH CREM' (why bcz beauty salon, it's like a hiring policy at this place that you have to have a weird way of talking along with 1) crazy fake tan 2) bored/snotty attitude and 3) ridiculous name )

I repeated it to myself all the way home in the car, it made me lol so much

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 March 2014 01:44 (five years ago) link

I went shopping for eye cream last week! I read reviews and went to try out a bunch but they all mostly feel the same. Tbh I just need something to leave on overnight for moisturising and goodness. Went with Estee Lauder night repair which seems ok. I looked at the kiehl's one and it felt lovely!

kinder, Saturday, 22 March 2014 09:52 (five years ago) link

I've been really pleased with Eminence Organics Herbal Contour crime, I think it's called. Very moisturizing. Might try the Keihl's next, though.

carl agatha, Saturday, 22 March 2014 12:13 (five years ago) link

LOL cream! Crime! Hahahaha good one, iPad.

carl agatha, Saturday, 22 March 2014 12:13 (five years ago) link

Which Kheil's VG?

I just re-bought my Shiseido one but I went with the dark circle one (cause that's my main thing) and not the wrinkle one and I don't know if I like it as much. We'll see.

I'm sure there are plenty of great drugstore brand skincare stuff but I do think that some things are worth splurging on for sure.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Saturday, 22 March 2014 13:09 (five years ago) link

It's Super Creamy Avocado Eye Treatment? I think

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 March 2014 16:19 (five years ago) link

lol 'crime', it's true

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 March 2014 16:20 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I've heard good things about that!

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Saturday, 22 March 2014 16:58 (five years ago) link

It is officially insane how much that avocado eye cream costs.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 02:49 (five years ago) link

I mean, I want it but I couldn't justify once I was in the store holding the tiny container. Then I went to Aveda and they have this "anti-stress" body butter/moisturizer, maybe like 200ml and it's $60 - I actually asked why and the salesperson was like "it's organic and specially blended, etc". I'm seriously not cheap about cosmetics in the first place but I'm just going to go get some Shea butter and coconut oil and make my own (anti-stretch-marks) body butter.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 02:55 (five years ago) link

I did buy the Aveda tinted moisturizer SPF 15 (titanium dioxide only) though.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 02:56 (five years ago) link

price per ounce of skincare/cosmetics is some astronomical bullshit, like are magical fairies crying into these tiny jars, whyyyyy are we paying so much

i plan to have this jar of kiehl's til I retire. when it runs out, i will shed actual tears

what have i become

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 03:02 (five years ago) link

Things I have decided I am willing to pay big dollars for:

  • foundation that I like
  • sunscreen with high SPF and PPD that does not irritate my eyes, and therefore makes me OK with putting it on as needed
  • undereye concealer that cost more than drug store but that I like and can use a pot of for like two years
  • going to the derm to a) make sure I don't have the cancer and b) get a spironolactone rx, which makes my acne disappear like magic without side effects

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 03:17 (five years ago) link

Oh I use cheap sunscreen on my body; the fancy shit is for my face so that it and my eyes don't sting

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 03:18 (five years ago) link

Things I am not gonna do big dollars on now that I am a social worker and not a corporate whore:

  • mascara
_* hair stuff. Oh except Kinky Curly Curling Custard, but that lasts me forever_* all other makeup stuff except this Tarte eye brightener thing that I will replace if I can ever use it up (going on 1.5 years now)
_* brazilian waxes

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 03:22 (five years ago) link

um sorry for fucked up formatting

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 03:23 (five years ago) link

Yeah I mean I pay $55 for a two-month supply of Clindoxyl, but the stuff keeps my skin clear and for that power I will pay the price forever. It's just that most cosmetics don't have such a profound effect for dollar value - or even have a negative effect on my sensitive skin (and then I return them if possible).

I also bought Aveda concealer - because good quality concealer is important, yes!

Still thinking about buying the eye cream fwiw...

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 03:26 (five years ago) link

I still but Clinique mascara, which is priced right btwn drugstore and Dior.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 03:28 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

I have fallen deep into a Beautypedia rabbit hole - http://www.paulaschoice.com/beautypedia/

I can't stop looking things up! Most revelatory discovery: CeraVe stretch mark cream as hand/eye/night cream (but not stretch marks of course). I bought a big old tube from Ulta and it's really great stuff.

http://www.paulaschoice.com/beautypedia-skin-care-reviews/by-brand/cerave/_/Intensive-Stretch-Marks-Cream

carl agatha, Friday, 2 May 2014 14:21 (five years ago) link

i stumbled on that site the other day while I was googling that loreal bb cream stuff ... i like how indepth the reviews are!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 May 2014 19:00 (five years ago) link

My favorite thing is to go to the "Best" reviews and sort by price to see how good some very cheap skincare/cosmetics are.

My second favorite thing is to look up stuff that I thought was good and find out I've been duped for years. Some things I have liked that it turns out are dumb and possible harmful: Eminence eye cream, Dr. Feelgood, that benefit two-step micro peel that I paid $70 (but that was like two years ago and I still never used it up so I didn't feel too bad about tossing it), everything Lush.

carl agatha, Friday, 2 May 2014 19:52 (five years ago) link

everything lush?!

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Saturday, 3 May 2014 15:41 (five years ago) link

I get where she is coming from with her reviews of a lot of lines that I've always liked or thought were better, like Lush or L'Occitaine. Basically she's saying that plant extracts and what have you are fine, but aren't automatically better than synthetic ingredients, especially when the plant ingredients are known to be irritating or are in the products in such small amounts that it would be impossible for them to do what the products claim (even assuming the claim is legit). And also when the process of synthesizing plant or natural ingredients renders them as synthetic as something that starts out that way. A lot of those high end natural lines are like that.

Also I really like her focus on packaging and how that can impact the efficacy of the product.

As for Lush, I would still buy their soap and body lotion because I like the smell. I can't get behind her anti-bar soap stance, either, since I think shower gel is a ridiculous product.

carl agatha, Saturday, 3 May 2014 16:57 (five years ago) link

Here this paragraph from the Aveda overview is what I'm talking about:

Aveda would truly like you to believe that it is in fact the flower and plant essences in its products that are doing the "work" If that were true, why bother using so many of the industry-standard ingredients seen in products from other cosmetics companies? Many of the highlighted plant ingredients merely contribute to the fragrance of the products. That's an obvious draw, but it's not enough to ensure a great (or even good) product. It has also been well established that once many of these plants and oils are purified and processed for use in cosmetics, they retain very little of their original benefit—though that doesn't mean they are worthless ingredients for skin. Furthermore, the manner in which Aveda discusses many of their plant ingredients on their Web site speaks more to historic and folkloric use rather than to published research that establishes a genuine benefit. It may seem intriguing to consumers that some plants have been "used for centuries to cleanse the skin and hair," but lots of things used a long time ago would be a problem today, including lead in cosmetics, not using sunscreen, absence of barrier repair substances and cell-communicating ingredients, and on and on. History doesn't always translate to eternal efficacy or safety, and it shouldn't be a deciding factor when you're choosing a skin-care routine.

carl agatha, Saturday, 3 May 2014 16:58 (five years ago) link

The one that really got me was the review on the boring old Pond's dry skin cream I've been using, which I thought would be heartily approved because it's so basic, and which I bought because I just assume all skin care claims are bullshit:

Dry Skin Cream, The Caring Classic takes the prize for the most boring facial moisturizer at the drugstore. It’s a classic oil-in-water with wax formula, and although it can address the basic needs of dry to very dry skin, using it is akin to sending someone a telegram instead of an email.

Oh snap.

carl agatha, Saturday, 3 May 2014 17:02 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

The verdict is in: I reordered my old stand-by, Mario Badescu oil-free moisturizer with titanium dioxide, and now I'm getting subcutaneous acne and surface flakiness. So I can't use this moisturizer either and it was probably part of what used to make me break out and I just chalked it up to my "problem" skin.

At this point, the ONLY moisturizers that don't hurt my face are regular old Aveeno body lotion and regular Kiehl's Creme de Corps. But I need a sunscreen eventually!! Do I try a zinc-only formula? What other options are there??

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 15:54 (five years ago) link

I need kate78!

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 15:59 (five years ago) link

HELLO. Send me your address.

kate78, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:28 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

it's that time of year when i have to spend extra time after showering applying whatever moisturizer will really work best and also be cost effective. any thoughts about liquid lanolin (aside from "ew gross it is from a sheep")?

vigetable (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:18 (four years ago) link

i'm talking about body not face btw

vigetable (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:18 (four years ago) link

I use lotion year-round, and the only one that still feels soft and moisturized like 10 hours later is Aveeno. I don't know what they put in that stuff, maybe it's just that my skin responds especially well to it? Not that I'm a special snowflake, but I just can't find ANYTHING that works as well.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:21 (four years ago) link

you're a special skin flake
lol

vigetable (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:29 (four years ago) link

Thank you for that.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:31 (four years ago) link

sorry :-/

i can't believe how much time it takes to properly moisturize
it's really irritating

vigetable (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:32 (four years ago) link

lol

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:35 (four years ago) link

I know I keep going back to this site, but here are good reviews of body moisturizers for dry skin, sorted with the lowest price first.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:37 (four years ago) link

agh that is overwhelming
i just started using the lanolin so i'll see how it goes.

vigetable (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 18:41 (four years ago) link

Aveeno has oatmeal in it which is supposed to be very moisturizing. Also I was just complaining about the time it takes to lotion up earlier today! I HATE IT. I've found a really good sugar scrub that's so moisturizing that I don't have to use lotion if I use that. Otherwise I've been using sweet almond oil. I just hate having to put on lotion after I get out of the shower. That's a good couple mins that I could use drinking coffee dammit!

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 19:06 (four years ago) link

I bought a bunch of the Paula's Choice Resist products a while back but I didn't like that. I think they were too harsh for my skin. :( Too drying. I've been using some First Aid B