― Saskia, Sunday, 22 September 2002 22:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Panagiotis Pileidis (Panagiotis Pileidis), Sunday, 22 September 2002 22:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― cecilia, Monday, 23 September 2002 01:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Monday, 23 September 2002 01:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― michael wells (michael w.), Monday, 23 September 2002 13:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
didn't she try and sue them or something.
― piscesboy, Monday, 23 September 2002 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
but holy shit! this record is so much more perfect than i remembered it. and it has that very "1979 singer-songwriter trying to get on FM rock radio" production quality.
what strikes me most of all is how GOOD -- how completely and totally OTM -- her waits impression is.
― like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link
also, what's up w/the fact that my mom won't let me steal her records anymore. she doesn't EVER listen to them. and what i listen to almost exactly mimics what she was listening to at my age
― jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link
ANY dollar bin should have it. i'm assuming you don't have it on CD or mp3s?
― like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Roy Kasten, Friday, 2 December 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link
"Naw...naw...I'm not the greatest. I don't think there is a 'greatest.' Maybe we're living in a time of No Greatest. There's no 'greatest' anymore. I dunno...maybe one of -you- is the greatest. [pause] Hey...if anybody here thinks they're the greatest, come on up onstage. [pause] Naw...never mind...one of you assholes would probably do it."
Still the best stage patter I've ever heard.
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.matadorrecords.com/images/minis/ole-626.jpg
xpost: i figured it was one of the other kinds.
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:46 (eighteen years ago) link
(Sorry, I've been drinking Pernod, and am sentimental and nostalgic.)
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:03 (eighteen years ago) link
not even small change? i'll grant that he could be excessively maudlin and prone to the worst elements of beat-cliche, but the sadness is sad and the jokes are roffletastic and the cocktail-schmaltz piano playing is just godly.
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link
otoh, i'd hate to think of where we'd be if our favorite wackos had never been allowed to free-express.
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link
But yeah, of course, total rulelessness can be pretty fab.
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link
i think if anything waits has gotten more like that over the years -- it's a shame his frank's wild years/black rider phase had to turn into stuffy elderstatesmanship rather than the full-on nihilism it should have progressed into. he's had a similar career arc as neil young (who shouldn't be doing that grandfatherly folksy twaddle either).
the early tom waits records were fun innocent L.A. hedonism. dirty jokes. good times.
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link
I would still rather listen to Small Change, it must be said.
― sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:46 (eighteen years ago) link
New album Sermon On Exposition Boulevard is a big mess. She walks in the sandals of Jesus when there was nothing wrong with her boots; she also does this mewling speaking-in-tongues thing on a few songs. Not good. And yet, and yet--the first song, "Nobody Knows My Name" rocks harder than she ever has. Drone-mantra, post VU throw down. We don't need another song about Elvis (the Son of God, of course) and Cadillacs, but this one has a groove that gets her over the silly name dropping (I think it's available for download on her website somewhere). And her voice is really terrific, when she's not mewling, and some of the best tracks just about reach the Vanological gospel trance state she's always loved. I give it a solid B.
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― chuck e. (xhuck), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 09:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 09:45 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm really digging 'Magazine' right now.
― baaderonixx, Friday, 11 January 2008 09:41 (sixteen years ago) link
That album has one of the most wtf reviews on AMG:
The reason The Magazine was such a disappointment was that Rickie Lee Jones had proven herself a major artist with her first two albums and turned into a self-conscious, pretentious, minor one on this, her third. Once, she made art by observing street people and describing them carefully; now she tried to make "Art" by navel-gazing. What a letdown.
― baaderonixx, Friday, 11 January 2008 09:43 (sixteen years ago) link
"The Magazine" is one of the greatest albums of the 80's..."Deep Space" is just breathtaking
― sonnyboy, Friday, 11 January 2008 12:29 (sixteen years ago) link
classic
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 11 January 2008 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link
However the AMG review of her last album Sermon on Exposition Boulevard makes it sound amazing. Thom Jurek is so the best "I'll have what he's having" reviewer of AMG. He likes recent Maria McKee too though which makes me inclined to trust him.
― Tim F, Friday, 11 January 2008 21:43 (sixteen years ago) link
So I need to go back and read through whole thread, but I'm really curious: After her debut LP, did Rickie Lee ever do any tracks with anywhere near the bounce, energy, hooks, and humor of "Chuck E.'s In Love" and "Danny's All Star Joint" again? They're far and away the best things on that album (I'd take "Weasel And The White Boys Cool" third, then probably "Easy Money"), most of the rest being dull tasteful ballads (tasteful musically, anyway, even when asking you to stick it into coolsville.) I've never heard Pirates or Magazine, and I'm guessing they'd bore me (like her Girl At Her Volcano covers EP did), but maybe I'm wrong. (Also, if she didn't ever do anything as catchy as "Chuck E.'s" again, I'm wondering if she ever explained why not. Was she just embrassed about having an actual hit?)
Also starting to be convinced, though, that she was probably at least a somewhat relevant influence on Teena Marie's beatnik jive-talk side -- even ballads like "Company" on the debut sound kinda proto-Teena, and the lyric sheet looks a little like It Must Be The Magic's inner sleeve. They both even include photos of themselves as little girls. Teena's debut LP came out in 1979, too, but she didn't really reveal her beatnik side until later. Of course, it's possible they were both just channeling Joni Mitchell in vaugely similar ways.
― xhuxk, Monday, 26 April 2010 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The timbre of her voice has always bothered me, but if you're looking for settings that complement it check out her Walter Becker collaboration from 1989. It won't convert you -- it reminds me a little of what Joni failed to attempt at the same time -- but it ain't much different than what you're used to from her.
― Throwing Muses are reuniting for my next orgasm! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 April 2010 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Chuck Pirates is dreamy and jazzy so if you don't like the ballad parts of the debut I wouldn't recommend it as an album, but "Woody and Dutch on the Slow Train to Peking" is an awesome party joint.
"Living It Up" and the title track swing between uptempo and morose with a vertiginous intensity that is pretty rare I think but I'm not sure you'd enjoy that.
― Tim F, Monday, 26 April 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
there was a bunch of stuff on The Magazine that was hookier than anything really on Pirates - I think "Runaround" and "It Must Be Love" were both on that one, which were both RLJ at her most hummable
― brad whitford's guitar explorations (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Monday, 26 April 2010 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
also Alfred if "what Joni failed to an attempt" is a Night Ride Home dis, know that I will cut you
"Jukebox Fury" is the most hooky thing on The Magazine I think ("It Must Be Love" is a great great ballad though!) but by that point she'd really shed the whole hepcat vibe which I assume is at least part of what chuck is looking for.
― Tim F, Monday, 26 April 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I like that one; it's her other eighties albums that drift.
― Throwing Muses are reuniting for my next orgasm! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 April 2010 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks, guys. And yeah, I'm pretty convinced that her hepcat side is where her fun is; the amrorphous, theoretically "jazzy" ballads haven't been reaching me at all. But I'll keep the tracks people mentioned in mind should I come across dollar copies of Pirates or The Magazine, even though I still expect I'll find them even more frustrating than the debut. Meanwhile, here's a talk on Frank Kogan's livejournal last year, centered around a '90s track by her than I do like; also curious if she ever did anything else like "White Girl":
http://koganbot.livejournal.com/172216.html
― xhuxk, Monday, 26 April 2010 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Woah, so weird. Didn't see this thread, but I'm listening to the self-titled right now.
― Mordy, Monday, 26 April 2010 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I kind of think that me trying to really interest Xhuxk in RLJ's career is the definition of insanity, but I guess if there is any explanation for why she didn't do a lot of happy songs like chuck e's in love it was the huge writer's block that killed her after Pirates.
I will represent The Magazine forever because it saved my life one summer, and Pirates has at least two songs I cannot listen to because they are too much in my heart. Anyway, there's a lot of great stuff floating around from the rest of her career, as I've been learning by combing dollar bins. Here's a brief alternative Top 10:
"Nobody Knows My Name" (kinda like an alt.dylan version of "white girl" if you stretch your mind)"Show Biz Kids" (actually the whole "it's like this" cover album is amazing-pants)"Altar Boy" (about as punk as sinead o'connor)"Tell Somebody (Repeal the Patriot Act)" (aka "chuck e hates george bush" with gospel seasonings)"Ghost Train" (beat as fhuxk)"Wild Girl" (loose, easy folkie pop from last year's balm in gilead)"Love Is Gonna Bring Us Back Alive" (live at red rocks, barely over her version of "gloria")"Dat Dere" (oscar brown jr song from pop pop, love the songs where she just sounds happy)"Lucky Guy" (country weeper, probably written about tom waits' roving ways on the road)"The Real End" (most underrated jam from 'the magazine')
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Monday, 26 April 2010 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I will represent The Magazine forever because it saved my life one summer, and Pirates has at least two songs I cannot listen to because they are too much in my heart.
which ones?
― Tim F, Monday, 26 April 2010 04:08 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah "Lucky Guy" is a sleeper on Pirates but the whole album is great. I will also stand up for "Juke Box Fury" on Magazine.
Maybe I am the only person who has heard Traffic From Paradise from 1994? It inexplicably became my very favourite album when it came out (I was 11 at the time) and I still really enjoy it. produced with Leo Kottke.
― derrrick, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 07:49 (thirteen years ago) link
don't forget -
Rickie lee Jones, S/D?
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 09:19 (thirteen years ago) link
wow Matt we are kinda identical twins on this question
― brad whitford's guitar explorations (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 12:13 (thirteen years ago) link
So -- as Tim F basically predicted -- I've decided I pretty much can't stand Pirates; don't hear at all what others hear. Even the only two cuts with any hint of energy at all -- "Woody and Dutch on the Slow Train To Peking" and maybe the title track -- don't come close to the stuff I like on her debut, beatnik scat schtick or no. And the rest, gawd, what a vague, empty snooze of a record. Thing is, I do like her writing in a few songs -- all the very-early -Springsteen type street characters and situations in "We Belong Together," "Living It Up," "Skeletons," "Traces of the Western Slopes" But the only way I know is from the lyric sheet, and given her nodded-out mumbling, which annoys the heck out of me and leaves me cold, I'm not even sure it'd work to read along while listening, which I'm not about to try.
― xhuxk, Monday, 25 October 2010 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Haven't heard Pirates in a long time, but you know what I really used to like was that covers record, Pop Pop.
― Mark, Monday, 25 October 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
she is doing dates performing her first two lp's!
― dude (del), Monday, 25 October 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
xpActually, even in the songs where I said I liked the lyrics on paper, it's usually only a verse here and there, not entire songs. Basically just impressed when the writing gets specific, even if it's an idea she pretty clearly swiped from elsewhere. And I'd be way more impressed if the music wasn't too quiet and sleepwalked-through to hear the words.
― xhuxk, Monday, 25 October 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
dude, i gotta see this--is she planning on coming to NYC? If she'd throw in Live at the Volcano Live it would be truly perfect
― iago g., Monday, 25 October 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean Girl at Her...smoking a bowl on a work night, not a good thing
― iago g., Monday, 25 October 2010 01:33 (thirteen years ago) link
looks like she is doing westbury and bergen PAC..
― dude (del), Monday, 25 October 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
too bad...that's what i thought
― iago g., Monday, 25 October 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks
Is it obvious to everyone else what "cunt-fingered Louie" means?
― Tim F, Monday, 22 August 2011 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
Cos I have spent some 10+ years not knowing.
hah. poetic license? that combination of words just sounded good next to one another? or maybe he was some manhattan beach character that her friends knew who...eh
anyway, did anyone see her on that tour last autumn?? i still regret not seeing her. i am a huge fan and she played in town on my effing birthday :(
― dell (del), Monday, 22 August 2011 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
From Henry Green's Paris Review interview:
I got the idea of Loving from a manservant in the Fire Service during the war. He was serving with me in the ranks, and he told me he had once asked the elderly butler who was over him what the old boy most liked in the world. The reply was: “Lying in bed on a summer morning, with the window open, listening to the church bells, eating buttered toast with cunty fingers.” I saw the book in a flash.
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 22 August 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
buttered toast, huh?
noted.
― dell (del), Monday, 22 August 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
*fails to make strategic glazed donut joke*
― dell (del), Monday, 22 August 2011 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
Rickie Lee Jones albums always sneak up on me... I've been absolutely obsessed with The Magazine of late. So good!
― Tim F, Sunday, 22 January 2012 13:01 (twelve years ago) link
I could not love The Magazine enough. Massive massive hooks, relentless weirdo visions...and it helped me through one of the weirdest summers of my life.
― Display Name (this cannot be changed):, Sunday, 22 January 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
oh crap I already said that upstairs
― Display Name (this cannot be changed):, Sunday, 22 January 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
I always think of you talking about that when I listen to it!
― Tim F, Sunday, 22 January 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
aw
― Display Name (this cannot be changed):, Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
Fine: I'm going to listen to The Magazine.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
I find it helps to skip the opening piano instrumental. There's nothing particularly wrong with it but it makes the album appear more reaching and less fun than it is.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 03:09 (twelve years ago) link
I've heard "The Real End" before! Sassy horns.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 03:10 (twelve years ago) link
deep space from that record is amazin
also, in the past six years I think I've listened to living it up more than just about any other song by any other person or people. "feeling a little sad, a little lonely, and a little mean..."
― dell (del), Friday, 25 October 2013 04:55 (ten years ago) link
and traces of the western slopes is so good. I love that she doesn't even sing on it at first. there's that ominous beginning, and when the vocals finally do begin, it's that dude, whatshisname, and then when she does finally come in she sounds all crazy, like someone you'd try to avoid sitting next to on the subway. it's so awesome that she did a song like that on her sophomore record, but then, something like company on the first record also seems really ambitious and is kind of mind-blowing in its own way.
― dell (del), Friday, 25 October 2013 05:20 (ten years ago) link
"Living It Up" is so important to me. The word that always occurs to me to describe it is "vertiginous" (lol a quick search reveals I used it upthread).
― Tim F, Friday, 25 October 2013 05:45 (ten years ago) link
She's doing a US tour right now, but I missed her local gig. Wonder how it was.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 25 October 2013 14:18 (ten years ago) link
This is great:
Rickie L jones said...HI
I have rarely read a review about myself that reminded me that journalists can teach us with just a word. A good writer and loving listener understands why even the weak part matters to the art. Thank you for this review of Flying Cowboys. but I am writing about your comment about The Magazine - it Was grandiose, this is just the word, and no one had said it quite so clearly. It weighs oddly out of time with all my work. Sobriety makes this work fragile and cavernous - I was feeling my way. . it is dark, artificial happiness, no guidance. But of course, it had to be large, I was propelling myself out of the dark. it was my ode to addiction, everything was larger than reality for me. I would not change The Magazine (well actually i might, but not the size of it) - but this review of my work, at this time, is much appreciated. - RL Jones
MARCH 17, 2011
― Tim F, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 13:05 (ten years ago) link
interesting, so where is that review, tim? i love magazine myself, haven't listened to it in a while though. it's one of the rather few albums my girl-friend introduced to me.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
yeah I'm a huge fan of that magazine but wow what an insightful reflection from RLJ
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 15:58 (ten years ago) link
i just picked up a used copy of her debut album...wow i should have checked her out before...definitely fits in well w/my love of court & spark joni
― Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
the second one, pirates, is as good if not better
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
She was reacting to the all music review of Flying Cowboys (http://www.allmusic.com/album/flying-cowboys-mw0000201326) which someone had copied and pasted (http://overdoseoffingalcocoa.blogspot.com/2010/06/rickie-lee-jones.html).
― Tim F, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
Just picked this up at Barnes and Noble for less than $10 after tax.
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 12 April 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link
saw the Madonna one at Best Buy this morning for $15.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 April 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
I know these sets have gotten kind of a bad rep for cheap packaging, but sheesh, at those prices, who could really be that upset?
(listening to that first album right now, by the way; it's good! Yep, it's my first time hearing)
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 12 April 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
her first two albums are two of my favorite records I belatedly discovered last year
― a duiving caTCH, a stuolllen bayeeeess (jamescobo), Sunday, 13 April 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link
i listened to pirates for the first time today and my life has changed
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 31 August 2017 02:47 (six years ago) link
that's what happened to me when i first listened to girl at her volcano in 1985. that voice killed me.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 31 August 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link
even thinking of 'We Belong Together' makes me emotional.
― campreverb, Thursday, 31 August 2017 15:47 (six years ago) link
So this thread got me to pull out Pirates which I haven't heard in probably 25 years. I was blown away. It's such a miraculously lyrical mix of r&b, jazz, and traces of Springsteen/Van/Steely Dan/Joni. Love the intra-song dynamics. Pro tip, lyric sheet is essential.
― that's not my post, Saturday, 2 September 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
I said fuck it and downloaded a copy of Pirates.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 September 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link
otm and similar revelations await on at least her next two albums imo
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 2 September 2017 22:52 (six years ago) link
also mega-OTM. if I go so far as to think "a promise that weeee belong to-gether" in my head I'm a wreck. what a tune
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 2 September 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link
That's the only track I owned for years and it killed me.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 September 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link
hearing her interview that led to the sample in Little Fluffy Clouds brings me joy
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 2 September 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link
First 2 are total classic, probably some sexism at play in the inevitable comparisons to Waits.Magazine is a bit of a mess, but still has the gut-wrenching line on Gravity "I try to imagine another planet, another sun/Where I don't look like me/And everything I do matters".
I'm a huge fan of Flying Cowboys, and The Sermon on Exposition Blvd works much better than expected.
― campreverb, Saturday, 2 September 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
Try to imagine another planet, another sunWhere I don't look like meAnd everything I do matters
"Gravity" kills me, and this will be on my tombstone.
― Hideous Lump, Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link
I keep coming back to start of Living It Up. It's a perfect brief characterization, wistful and kinda funny:
Eddie's got one crazy eyeThat turns him into a cartoonWhen a pretty girl comes byAnd there's nothin' here to do anymoreHe sits on the stoop all dayLike there's something he's waiting for
Of course the rest of the song is killer.
― that's not my post, Sunday, 3 September 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link
holy shit just heard we belong together for the first time...amazing
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 3 September 2017 01:45 (six years ago) link
Alfred what did you think of the rest of the album?
Best album of all time is the correct answer FYI.
― Tim F, Sunday, 3 September 2017 02:11 (six years ago) link
Her tribute to Walter Becker
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/read-rickie-lee-jones-poignant-tribute-to-walter-becker-w501078
― that's not my post, Monday, 4 September 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
love the way she writes
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link
Calling shenanigans on that Orb reference - it looks inserted rather than what she said/wrote..
― Mark G, Monday, 4 September 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
pirates is absolutely the best album ever made. i think i’m gonna make a poll
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 25 November 2017 22:25 (six years ago) link
the first time i heard “we belong together” a few months ago i thought “this is sounds exactly like how i feel inside all the time”
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 25 November 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
it is utterly stunning
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 25 November 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
but "we belong together" will run the table on that poll like Minnesota Fats
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 25 November 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
lol yeah that’s what i was figuring
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 25 November 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
nb Fats loses in the end so who knows, Living it Up & Woody n Dutch might have a chance. iirc when the album was new my local critic was all "if there was more Woody n Dutch on this record it would be a better followup to the resplendent debut." fuck that guy forever btw
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 25 November 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
pirates is absolutely the best album ever made
◎ yes
― mark s, Saturday, 25 November 2017 22:47 (six years ago) link
^^^all polls shd take this form (including the same exact working)
― mark s, Saturday, 25 November 2017 22:48 (six years ago) link
s/b wording
concur
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 25 November 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
massively underrated album.
― campreverb, Sunday, 26 November 2017 00:16 (six years ago) link
massively underrated albumartist.
― campreverb, Sunday, 26 November 2017 00:32 (six years ago) link
love this record
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 November 2017 04:00 (six years ago) link
autobiography out April 2019
http://groveatlantic.com/book/rickie-lee/
― beamish13, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link
well holy shit this was amazing to stumble on on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_172cffdDJU
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 13:45 (four years ago) link
!!!!!
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
!
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link
That's glorious.
I've totally missed (avoided?) Rickie for some reason and holy shit has the last few days been a revelation - to the point I've been afflicted with Nelson fever and will now declare Pirates the best album in the world.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:07 (four years ago) link
IMDB trivia for "The Pope of Greenwich Village" - Rickie Lee Jones had originally written and recorded an instrumental demo as a theme, but it was rejected in favor of Frank Sinatra's "Summer Wind." The demo, which retained the title "Theme for the Pope" (because of the movie), wound up on her 1984 album The Magazine.
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link
interesting -- I've been listening to The Magazine a lot lately but I wasn't aware of that. here's what Sal Bernardi says about it:
SB: I never wrote lyrics in French, but a few different people wrote French lyrics for a melody that I wrote ‘Theme for the Pope’ - a strange travel for that melody. Initially, a friend in Quebec wrote some lyrics and called it ‘Danse la Reve des Cleo’.Several years later, there was a film called ‘The Pope of Greenwich Village’. I think the film people were seeking soundtrack music. Rickie and I had reworked the song a bit and made a demo without lyrics. It wasn’t used in the film, but Rickie released it on ‘The Magazine’, calling it by the working title for the film “Theme for the Pope”. For the European release of the album, a writer here in Paris wrote French lyrics and titled it ‘Marrant de Duece’, I think. http://www.pennyblackmusic.co.uk/MagSitePages/Article/7823/Sal-Bernardi-Interview
Several years later, there was a film called ‘The Pope of Greenwich Village’. I think the film people were seeking soundtrack music. Rickie and I had reworked the song a bit and made a demo without lyrics. It wasn’t used in the film, but Rickie released it on ‘The Magazine’, calling it by the working title for the film “Theme for the Pope”. For the European release of the album, a writer here in Paris wrote French lyrics and titled it ‘Marrant de Duece’, I think.
http://www.pennyblackmusic.co.uk/MagSitePages/Article/7823/Sal-Bernardi-Interview
I prefer the version with French lyrics that appears on the LP, and I'm not sure why they included a different version on the CD release. I assume the CD version is the original demo and the LP version is the demo with overdubbed vocals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGrEg9SdN3M
― panburger partner (unregistered), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link
oops, that's the CD version but this is the LP version I meant to post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqp3z0sX5UI
― panburger partner (unregistered), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 03:09 (three years ago) link
excellent song selection for an ideal concert:https://www.franceinter.fr/emissions/very-good-trip/very-good-trip-11-septembre-2019
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 09:14 (three years ago) link
I really don't know much about Rickie Lee Jones, but I was listening to the radio just now and came across an interview with someone I didn't know. All I knew is that it was a musician, and that when they played bits of her music it wasn't that old, like '70s-now, but the person being interview sounded like she was in her 90s, which didn't add up. I was absolutely shocked to learn it was Rickie Lee Jones, who is only 66. Wow. I guess she lived hard.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 April 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
she certainly doesn't look 90, her voice does sound a bit odd now thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOjAtmLzM6g
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 11 April 2021 23:04 (three years ago) link
she can still sing pretty well, though her range seems to have narrowed a great deal.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOjAtmLzM6g
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 11 April 2021 23:09 (three years ago) link
It seems like there's always been a mismatch between her singing voice and speaking voice. I remember being truly surprised that the voice sample in "Little Fluffy Clouds" by The Orb was her. But then her speaking voice now sounds way different from her speaking voice then.
― Josefa, Sunday, 11 April 2021 23:33 (three years ago) link
I just compared two interviews from 2015 and 1989, and I guess she always had a drawl. That does make her speaking voice now sound like an older person's.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 11 April 2021 23:33 (three years ago) link
She sounds much better in that clip, this thing I heard on NPR sounded old and raspy.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 April 2021 23:37 (three years ago) link
I've seen a few excerpts from her new memoir, mostly re heroin use to deal w biz stress, which itself led to more biz probs, "Watch out for the junkie," yeah they're so rare in the music biz, but might have been more to it than that---anyway, she's glad she kicked it, loves her daughter---and from late 70s coverage in Rolling Stone, I gathered that she had a pretty interesting life before getting much involved in the biz. For instance she made a habit of singing to her brother while he was in a coma, until he finally woke up and said."Witch. Which reminds me that I liked Ghostyhead: her voice suited trip hop pretty well. Have also come across some good post-peak live sets on the 'Tube (one thing that still grosses me out: Tom Waits was her boyfriend, way back there now, but yuuuuuck she too cuet for him)
― dow, Monday, 12 April 2021 01:01 (three years ago) link
This is what I heard, btw:
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/tnyradiohour/segments/rickie-lee-joness-life-road
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 12 April 2021 01:03 (three years ago) link
She is an absolute magician.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB89sotCQx4
― edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 03:39 (three years ago) link
Great song I haven’t heard in ages. Love when the other voices come in.
― that's not my post, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 01:18 (three years ago) link
Finished the book last night and really enjoyed it. I was ~2/3 through it and realized, geez, she's only like 17yo to this point. She had a wild early life in all senses of the word. She saw the world, lived a lifetime before she was even 18. The last third goes by quick and is mostly her early career (which overlapped her relationship w/ Tom Waits), which took off fast. But everything that led up to that was in some ways more interesting. She's a great storyteller. Recommended!
I've listened a lot to Pirates and especially Flying Cowboys since starting the book. Beautiful albums and the production on both is fantastic.
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link
listening to the magazine and flying cowboys for the first time today and while they're not quite as transcendent as pirates they're still really fantastic wow
"satellites"!
― ufo, Saturday, 19 June 2021 07:24 (two years ago) link
The Magazine in particular is just brilliant (love Flying Cowboys as well) but yes unfair to compare it to one of the ten best albums of all time.
Vaguely relatedly I lost my copy of Ghostyhead and it appears it is not on streaming services!?!?!
― Tim F, Saturday, 19 June 2021 07:41 (two years ago) link
The Magazine is the one I had on tape as a teenager and yeah it's wonderful, still my favourite tbh.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 19 June 2021 08:08 (two years ago) link
you can really hear her love of the blue nile on flying cowboys
― ufo, Saturday, 19 June 2021 08:47 (two years ago) link
I feel like she perhaps recognised kindred spirits: smooth surfaces / excessive feeling
― Tim F, Saturday, 19 June 2021 09:52 (two years ago) link
I would love to know what Rickie thinks of Sade.
― Tim F, Saturday, 19 June 2021 09:53 (two years ago) link
there are just some very blue nile synth tones in places on flying cowboys
which albums after that are worth digging into
― ufo, Sunday, 20 June 2021 06:50 (two years ago) link
I think Ghostyhead is really interesting: sort of a "belatedly ride the trip hop wave" effort on the surface but that dismissive take belies what's really going on which is that Rickie makes the obvious connection that these more rhythmic but still-guitar-driven soundtracks provide the perfect foil for her to really lean into her beatnik impulses - most of the album takes that kind of 'spill over the lines of the song' profusion aspect of her vocal approach to its logical conclusion. And musically I'm not sure what I'd compare it to: I imagine it was sold to Warner Bros as being in the vein of the first Beth Orton album but it's almost more like if New Kingdom decided to produce a folk artist.
― Tim F, Sunday, 20 June 2021 10:12 (two years ago) link
I have Pop Pop too, it's nice enough but nothing ever really grabbed me about it.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 20 June 2021 10:16 (two years ago) link
I like Pop Pop, which was the first RLJ album I ever listened to. "Dat Dere" and the Jefferson Airplane cover were the standout tracks I recall.
― Josefa, Sunday, 20 June 2021 12:36 (two years ago) link
It looks like the cover of the first album was flipped, I wonder why?
https://www.morrisonhotelgallery.com/photographs/gWMf6i/Rickie-Lee-Jones-Malibu-CA-1978
― Maresn3st, Monday, 30 May 2022 19:48 (one year ago) link
Was it? Most pics I see are oriented that way. Btw is she smoking a More cigarette there?
― Josefa, Monday, 30 May 2022 19:54 (one year ago) link
It wasn't. Album's always looked like this.
https://i.imgur.com/IYiRBnv.jpg
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 30 May 2022 20:33 (one year ago) link
Weird, then I wonder what's happening here, and on some YouTube clips
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rickie-Lee-Jones/dp/B000002KK2
― Maresn3st, Monday, 30 May 2022 22:43 (one year ago) link
My guess is Gracenote or some other metadata provider for all the streaming/mp3 store platforms fucked with the art and it ended up everywhere. They've let the cover of Tracy Chapman's debut go on for years looking like a scan of a cd cover that was left in the back seat of a car in direct sunlight.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 03:04 (one year ago) link
Don't know if I'll get a substantive answer, but I happen to know someone who works at Gracenote and she's going to ask the guy who handles that stuff tomorrow, so stay tuned maybe.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 03:49 (one year ago) link
Ok so it turns out that when WB reissued the RLJ album in 2010 as an "original artist series" they flipped the image for reasons unknown to anyone but themselves.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link
Looks like she has a new album coming out - it's an American songbook album (all standards) produced by Russ Titelman. To promote it, she's doing an exclusive three-night residency at Birdland in NYC, which seems to have sold out, but there's a ticketed livestream. https://birdlandjazz.com/event/rickie-lee-jones/
― birdistheword, Friday, 17 March 2023 03:36 (one year ago) link
Correction - she's doing two shows each night, and only the "early" shows have sold out. They still have tickets for the late shows:
https://www.eventbrite.com/cc/rickie-lee-jones-1623129
― birdistheword, Friday, 17 March 2023 03:37 (one year ago) link
Pirates can bring me to tears.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 17 March 2023 03:43 (one year ago) link
― Tim F, Sunday, June 20, 2021 3:12 AM (one year ago)
so glad someone besides me loves this album
Pop Pop is great too, that Jimi cover is perfect
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Friday, 17 March 2023 03:54 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAPCmubduvk
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 April 2023 23:05 (one year ago) link
yo sleeve! Sean and I both spoke for Ghostyhead, way upthread, so that makes four of us who Know. She understood how trip-hop can play well with words, for one thing.
― dow, Tuesday, 18 April 2023 02:19 (one year ago) link
<3
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 April 2023 02:20 (one year ago) link
(Counting her, that makes five who Know.)
― dow, Tuesday, 18 April 2023 02:21 (one year ago) link
omgomg just lucked into a ticket to her chicago show! so so so excited
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 17:58 (eleven months ago) link
She put on a fantastic show last night. Opened w/ a solo piano version of "Living It Up" that she sang as though she'd written it last week. The set was mostly from her new album -- "There'll Never Be Another You" and "On the Sunny Side of the Street" were highlights -- but pulled from Pop Pop and the first album. She played guitar on a couple songs, incl "Weasel and the White Boys Cool" and was very obv having a blast. Her band is terrific, too.
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 18:00 (eleven months ago) link
No Atlanta dates. :(
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 18:07 (eleven months ago) link
yeah, jealous
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 18:11 (eleven months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_7YGRLoG8
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 09:20 (eight months ago) link
Aw crap, she did a free show in Brooklyn on Saturday and I totally missed it. (I was at another show anyway, but still, would've considered going to hers instead.)
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 18:45 (eight months ago) link
Xpost that video of Rickie Lee talking about movies was awesome. Great storytelling chops and humor but I guess that was evident in her songs.
― that's not my post, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 14:29 (eight months ago) link
I kinda love that she took The Blob.
― niall horanburger (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 14:53 (eight months ago) link
No mention of that hefty Fellini box though, which was odd.
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 15:39 (eight months ago) link
The set was mostly from her new album -- "There'll Never Be Another You" and "On the Sunny Side of the Street" were highlights
― dow, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 17:35 (eight months ago) link
Happy birthday!
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 15:54 (five months ago) link
well, I'm ugly toono, no, no, you're not beautiful no, you're ugly toocause you've been traveling in so many universes and you manifest here
― hogarth brooks (unregistered), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 02:59 (two months ago) link