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goole, Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:51 (five years ago) Permalink

"i'm 13, what is leanin', what is dream pop?"

goole, Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:52 (five years ago) Permalink

i've not clicked on these but just wanted to say kitty pryde is a good rapper name. almost all marvel characters are good rapper names. if you are aspiring rapper, though, don't use dc character names because they are all stripper names.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:57 (five years ago) Permalink

ok, i kinda love this

Mordy, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:06 (five years ago) Permalink

the kitty pryde name def predisposed me to enjoying but i really like songs too

Mordy, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:07 (five years ago) Permalink

I dunno I kinda want juicee k to bust in and take her lunch money

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:08 (five years ago) Permalink

this is the creepiest music

goole, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:08 (five years ago) Permalink

what's creepy about it?

Mordy, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:09 (five years ago) Permalink

what isn't

goole, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:10 (five years ago) Permalink

nb have only listened to them, not watching the vids

Mordy, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:10 (five years ago) Permalink

idk, i doubt she seriously wants to marry justin bieber?

Mordy, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:11 (five years ago) Permalink

"thx kathryn obvious" haa

goole, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:15 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah she's great.

Chris S, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:16 (five years ago) Permalink

youtube is showing me that "kathryn obvious" is a comedy bit from a disney show. teenagers are another country...

goole, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:18 (five years ago) Permalink

her voice just... epitomizes this suburban white girl millenial brat thing

Chris S, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:18 (five years ago) Permalink

Complex: Where are you coming from? Where do you work?
Kitty Pryde: I work at Claire’s.
Complex: That’s pretty trill.

*stops reading*

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:27 (five years ago) Permalink

Better than Kreayshawn, anyway

Trip Maker, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:31 (five years ago) Permalink

http://oi50.tinypic.com/vfb0k2.jpg

am0n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:32 (five years ago) Permalink

i wish someone would wipe a magnet on the fucking internet and erase it

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:32 (five years ago) Permalink

Long story short: the internet.

am0n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:34 (five years ago) Permalink

I mean she's pretty much a taylor swift (per debut album) in another genre, reporting believably from the frontlines of teenhood while being smart enough to reflect and joke about it in a genuinely funny and touching way. I think she lacks all the obnoxious things that make most of these blog people lame. basically just heard these three tracks tho and maybe it all goes downhill from here when she makes famous friends

abcfsk, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:38 (five years ago) Permalink

How are you handling that? I’m sure you got a lot of Tumblr questions and your Twitter mentions are in shambles.

hard hitting interview

dmr, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:39 (five years ago) Permalink

my favorite q is "Is the rap game stressful?"

am0n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:42 (five years ago) Permalink

yo whiney, i think you're plagiarizing this guy

i wish someone would wipe a magnet on the fucking internet or just end earth

― Lil Boosie's on the Up (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, August 22, 2011 2:36 AM (8 months ago)

Mordy, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:43 (five years ago) Permalink

very internet-y!

scott seward, Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:48 (five years ago) Permalink

shit didn't know her twitter bio was "rap game taylor swift" when I wrote that above

abcfsk, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:01 (five years ago) Permalink

which is quoting someone else so I wasn't very original anyway

abcfsk, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:05 (five years ago) Permalink

there's a thread for that that whiney happens to love, mordy: new 77 keeping it positive meta thread to request dudes stop biting their own joeks

some dude, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:06 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm kind of offended this wasn't posted in the kreayshawn thread, that's my one-stop shopping go-to for teen white girl rap

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:19 (five years ago) Permalink

dag

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:20 (five years ago) Permalink

anyways tho

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:21 (five years ago) Permalink

Like i said on twitter 2day

We let fashion magazines run rap media & let fashion labels distribute rap LPs, then act shocked when skinny white girls are the hot new rappers

And caucasian women who CAN actually rap [youtube.com/watch?v=FxZbpb…] get NO ATTENTION because they don't look like American Apparel models

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:21 (five years ago) Permalink

i kinda think it's almost missing the point to call this rap

goole, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:24 (five years ago) Permalink

i hate how 13yo skinny white girls are basically the only rappers you hear about in 2012

Mordy, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:25 (five years ago) Permalink

this is still my favorite rap song of 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXlJQjaNl-8

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:26 (five years ago) Permalink

t-swift is on the new b.o.b single btw, has anyone checked it out to see if she drops a hot 16

some dude, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:29 (five years ago) Permalink

man t-swift is ancient, needs to retire from the game imo

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:31 (five years ago) Permalink

hope I live to see the first rapping toddler go viral on skytubebook or w/e

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:32 (five years ago) Permalink

t-swift is on the new b.o.b single

*quits the rap game*

The Reverend, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:33 (five years ago) Permalink

tbf there's not really any way for that to be the straw that breaks the camel's back post-hayley williams

some dude, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:43 (five years ago) Permalink

i mean yeah, it's quite predictable but yet so disheartening

The Reverend, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:00 (five years ago) Permalink

i feel kinda bad that i can't really listen to that invincible sledgehammer song. juicee song not my fave either. justin beiber song pretty funny though!

scott seward, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:48 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm not digging this

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:52 (five years ago) Permalink

I didn't like that juicee song at first but made the mistake of listening to it twice and then it got stuck in my head and then it reprogrammed me. I'd call it a guilty pleasure except I don't feel any guilt. it's also 100x better listening to it without the video. not to impugn jelly roll's natural pulchritude, it just was made to be bumped through a car stereo, bass is niiice.

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:42 (five years ago) Permalink

riff raff collabo by the end of next week

J0rdan, Diddy (tpp), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:39 (five years ago) Permalink

counting the days until every blog is blasting shit in my ears about new Kitty Pryde Odd Future collaborative digital giveaway remix sponsored by mountain dew, Kitty Pryde beefs with Best Coast, delays tour, releases new animated tv series sponsored by Doritos new indie label. ugh.

Jamie_ATP, Friday, 11 May 2012 16:19 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm really happy that i'm on vacation while this whole thing is "breaking"

J0rdan S., Friday, 11 May 2012 16:24 (five years ago) Permalink

SWAG

Jamie_ATP, Friday, 11 May 2012 16:26 (five years ago) Permalink

blogs how are they made from

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Friday, 11 May 2012 16:31 (five years ago) Permalink

Someone gave Rebecca Black weed...

fintobin 42 minutes ago

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Friday, 11 May 2012 16:48 (five years ago) Permalink

i think shes a decent writer

max, Friday, 11 May 2012 16:50 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't really care about her existence either way but i really wish good rap producers like beautiful lou would work with rappers that can actually rap

J0rdan S., Friday, 11 May 2012 16:56 (five years ago) Permalink

there's been a pretty big gap between the talent level of most rap producers vs. the talent level of most rappers for a long time but probably now more than ever

some dude, Friday, 11 May 2012 16:58 (five years ago) Permalink

i think she's pretty good! i mean shes what like 16?

max, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:01 (five years ago) Permalink

the lil girl steez is annoying sure

max, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:02 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't know... at some point that line of thinking crosses into self-parody

J0rdan S., Friday, 11 May 2012 17:02 (five years ago) Permalink

i mean shes definitely not goon-friendly, & im planning on being hella annoyed by the stuff thatll be written about her, but like right now, before the 1m profiles and bullshit, its this charming well-done tumblr thing

max, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:05 (five years ago) Permalink

i guess. there's an untold number of teens putting their music on the internet that are probably "okay" for being 16, not sure if that's worth much

clearly her rise in "popularity" is due to cynical hit trolling by cynical hit trolly music websites, so it's not her "fault" either

that said this music isn't very good and i can imagine an infinite better ways to spend time

J0rdan S., Friday, 11 May 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

oh i think shes better than okay!

max, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:13 (five years ago) Permalink

& i dont really think its cynical hit trolling -- the ppl who are writing about it genuinely like it!

max, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:15 (five years ago) Permalink

not looking forward to all the pieces that are going to be written, or the shitty imitators, or the grumbling gen xers that want music to reflect a world that doesn't exist anymore, but before all the hype and controversy gets out of hand, I'll admit I think she has a way with style/aura, and that's all that matters, I think. it's all about how you use style and whether that resonates. saying that she can't *really* rap sounds suspiciously close to 'they can't even play the guitar'

Chris S, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:20 (five years ago) Permalink

the ppl who are writing about it genuinely like it!

― max, Friday, May 11, 2012 1:15 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

i mean sure these places genuinely like kid cudi and the girls writer's tweet about precious, but no

J0rdan S., Friday, 11 May 2012 17:21 (five years ago) Permalink

im pretty into this

i have no plans to read anything written abt it on the internet, aside from this thread

johnny crunch, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Is this the girl who was antagonizing Colin Newman recently?

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:25 (five years ago) Permalink

hahaha okay so she's in a trendpiece in the NYT with karmin

the prosecution rests

J0rdan S., Friday, 11 May 2012 17:25 (five years ago) Permalink

i think there is a certain point at which a lot of bloggers cease to make any distinction between things they genuinely like and things that are extremely 'interesting' in a marketable/traffic-generating sense

some dude, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah, thats probably true.

max, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:28 (five years ago) Permalink

stuff is stuff gotta talk about something

scott seward, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:30 (five years ago) Permalink

stuff like this makes me feel really old but in a *good* way, like it's so clearly not for me i don't have to have an opinion about it or care about it

kinda feels like a snow day in school

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 May 2012 17:41 (five years ago) Permalink

i dunno, naming yourself after a 40 year-old comic book character kind of points to a lack of generational distinction happening.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:44 (five years ago) Permalink

is she wearing a...yeastie girlz t-shirt in the one video? huh.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 May 2012 17:49 (five years ago) Permalink

kitty pryde is so perfectly lolcat internet perfect though.

scott seward, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:50 (five years ago) Permalink

i dunno, naming yourself after a 40 year-old comic book character kind of points to a lack of generational distinction happening.

― Philip Nunez, Friday, May 11, 2012 12:44 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm sure she's reading 60s x-men comics not, for instance, naming herself after the character Juno played in x-men 3

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 May 2012 17:52 (five years ago) Permalink

also danny brown you stay away from this girl. you stay far away.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 May 2012 17:53 (five years ago) Permalink

re: Juno, MC Homeslice and DJ Hamburger Phone is a good name for a duo.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 11 May 2012 17:57 (five years ago) Permalink

Kitty Pryde is an '80s character

Number None, Friday, 11 May 2012 18:01 (five years ago) Permalink

there is a guy around here called Tumble Cat Poof Poofy Poof and i think of him when i see the thread title.

scott seward, Friday, 11 May 2012 18:07 (five years ago) Permalink

apologies for repeating myself to the two of you who read my internet presence elsewhere but i dont get why we cant just treat this like Owl City, and let it be really twee and teen-appealing & popular but almost never discuss it

man down (D-40), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:51 (five years ago) Permalink

and to the man who said its better than kreayshawn, u are dead 2 me

man down (D-40), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:51 (five years ago) Permalink

you may want to bring that to a place that doesn't have a 316 post thread about owl city xp

J0rdan S., Friday, 11 May 2012 18:52 (five years ago) Permalink

that is a thankfully paltry number, come on!

goole, Friday, 11 May 2012 18:53 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm definitely promoting 'justin bieber' as soty

abcfsk, Friday, 11 May 2012 18:54 (five years ago) Permalink

i would like to just continue saying "sarai >>>>>>" every six months when one of these things happens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljryaTP4YmA

some dude, Friday, 11 May 2012 18:59 (five years ago) Permalink

i put bieber song on my facebook. nobody cared. keith harris said something about it. forget what...

scott seward, Friday, 11 May 2012 18:59 (five years ago) Permalink

i fuck w bieber's 'baby.'

man down (D-40), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:02 (five years ago) Permalink

yes yes to the 'out of context' thread, i know

man down (D-40), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:03 (five years ago) Permalink

i thought they proved he's not the father (xpost)

some dude, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:03 (five years ago) Permalink

sarai was great :(

goole, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:07 (five years ago) Permalink

- does your dad care that you drink underage? or that it's in okay cupid, at least? just wondering.
i did not drink in that video, and the girls drinking were not underage.

abcfsk, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:31 (five years ago) Permalink

hahaha okay so she's in a trendpiece in the NYT with karmin

― J0rdan S., Friday, May 11, 2012 7:25 PM (2 hours ago)

one where karmin is hated on, yeah

abcfsk, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:33 (five years ago) Permalink

can't believe kitty pryde bottomed out so fast.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:58 (five years ago) Permalink

it's almost funny how her n-word tumblr posts haven't even really caused much of a stir because of course she has some of those

some dude, Friday, 11 May 2012 20:00 (five years ago) Permalink

i am sort of disappointed that i neither <3 nor h8 kitty pryde, i mean god knows a rap game taylor swift is something i want to welcome into my life, but otoh those songs are likeable enough

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 11 May 2012 20:52 (five years ago) Permalink

j0rdan u must at least appreash the 'like riff raff bitch im gonna throw out the rice' line

shes basically the less nerdy, cloud rap generation paul barman, which im tbrr v ok w/

johnny crunch, Friday, 11 May 2012 20:56 (five years ago) Permalink

any female rapper that can't get lex excited they should just perform seppuku imo

some dude, Friday, 11 May 2012 20:59 (five years ago) Permalink

lol otm

johnny crunch, Friday, 11 May 2012 20:59 (five years ago) Permalink

she prob doesnt say cunt enough for lex

johnny crunch, Friday, 11 May 2012 21:00 (five years ago) Permalink

haha al

The Reverend, Friday, 11 May 2012 21:03 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't really like iggy azalea either :(

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:11 (five years ago) Permalink

do you like Heather B?

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:12 (five years ago) Permalink

dunno who that is!

i like NJENA REDDD FOXXX

http://soundcloud.com/njena-reddd-foxxx/silly-bitch

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:15 (five years ago) Permalink

what about Boss?

Nikki D?

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:17 (five years ago) Permalink

yes! haha i discovered nikki d through that suzanne vega essay about "tom's diner".

omfg i just realised i no longer own any nikki d, i'm still suffering from my hard drive death the other month :(

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:19 (five years ago) Permalink

u need to get up on heather b broski

man down (D-40), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:22 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk65Sk6_o-I

man down (D-40), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:23 (five years ago) Permalink

i also just realised by entire jean grae collection has gone (i'd just started delving into her discography last year)

h8 technology

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:24 (five years ago) Permalink

*my

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:24 (five years ago) Permalink

lex u might like nonchalant

this is a classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saRt2Vhrvxc

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:25 (five years ago) Permalink

that nonchalant song is great! proto-lauryn!

d/lding the first heather b album now

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:29 (five years ago) Permalink

choice was a rap-a-lot female artist that was way in front of lil kim in terms of sex talk stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=001x7ZqH1ss&feature=relmfu

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:42 (five years ago) Permalink

as were HWA (Hoes Wit Attitude)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpImj7RI0Rc&feature=related

they were on ruthless, not that great though

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:43 (five years ago) Permalink

watched/listened to the first three tubes. "justin bieber" is kind of funny, other two didn't do much for me. the only genuinely creepy video is the third, but that seems to be some fan thing, so i can't be too bothered.

seems like something that would genuinely appeal to someone, but i can't imagine listening to it for pleasure.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:46 (five years ago) Permalink

i love yo-yo already!

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:51 (five years ago) Permalink

i watched like 30 seconds of those youtubes, this shit is terrible yo

xpost

yeah lex i figured you would dig yo-yo, she was down w/ice cube and had lots of that really awesome early 90s west coast production, super sassy and awesome rapper

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 May 2012 21:52 (five years ago) Permalink

ive broken my promise re: reading abt this on the internet

the complex interview is actually good

the vice article is p bad

johnny crunch, Friday, 11 May 2012 22:10 (five years ago) Permalink

this might be a bad start to get off to
and i really didnt mean to accost you
i just really like your hair
and how it's all slick and stuff
i spilled a little of your blood
i kinda wanna lick it up
but i guess that wouldnt be vegan
so lets just drive around and sing some sarah and tegan

johnny crunch, Saturday, 12 May 2012 01:49 (five years ago) Permalink

if u cant tell ive been listening to the lizzie mcguire experience on my friday night

johnny crunch, Saturday, 12 May 2012 01:58 (five years ago) Permalink

okay, those are great lines, johnny. what are they from?

just relistened to the three tracks linked up top. have to admit that she's smart & funny, and i just on principle dig her POV cuz it's relatable, cleverly articulated and not often represented in her genre. still can't really "get into" this. partly it's that i don't like her voice or the way she delivers her lines, and partly it's that i feel that this music isn't for me, somehow. not that i'm forbidden to tread, but it's too far away from my frame of reference & interests. like the giggly shit and passivity probably read "real" to the people who are into it, but they just get on my nerves.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 02:57 (five years ago) Permalink

this obviously doesn't change anything
me: dad my video just premiered on the fucking fader
dad: what's the fucking fader
me: a website it's famous
dad: that's cool
me: can i get a pet bunny now?
dad: no

johnny crunch, Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:04 (five years ago) Permalink

i feel like i might be the lex of "kitty pryde"

johnny crunch, Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:09 (five years ago) Permalink

i am the lex of actual kitty pryde

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SfDvJqKrdUI/AAAAAAAAAio/RYECiST4G7c/s1600/KittyPryde-KevinCross-sm.jpg

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:10 (five years ago) Permalink

lol

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:28 (five years ago) Permalink

not just the track (that much is obvious), but everything about "he" smacks of OF: flow, subject matter, approach to it

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:30 (five years ago) Permalink

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SgMxi-saEwI/AAAAAAAAAlQ/oxOFnwAyYEE/s1600/soto+pryde.jpg

"cover my ears every time the damn beat drops / i'm thirteen what is lean? what is dream pop?"

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:34 (five years ago) Permalink

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SgH8PnHxQYI/AAAAAAAAAkw/5ybnFbL5DTQ/s1600/KittyPryde.jpg

"but i gotta be true to my art / and soon you'll be exactly like elizabeth smart"

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:35 (five years ago) Permalink

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SfkCYfK_OPI/AAAAAAAAAkI/xm6gC7AI63U/s1600/ian+pryde_color_small.jpg

"i don't like kissing in public, or holding boy's hands / but i wanna with you, you know how silly i am"

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:38 (five years ago) Permalink

somehow, i don't see kitty (x-men) pryde cracking elizabeth smart, teensex & stalker jokes, more's the pity

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:40 (five years ago) Permalink

every xmen ref is thankfully lost on me

johnny crunch, Saturday, 12 May 2012 03:45 (five years ago) Permalink

apologies for repeating myself to the two of you who read my internet presence elsewhere but i dont get why we cant just treat this like Owl City, and let it be really twee and teen-appealing & popular but almost never discuss it

― man down (D-40), Friday, May 11, 2012 2:51 PM (Yesterday)

but she did a max b cover

http://jokersintrousers.bandcamp.com/track/quarantine-max-b-cover

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Saturday, 12 May 2012 04:24 (five years ago) Permalink

oh lord

The Reverend, Saturday, 12 May 2012 05:25 (five years ago) Permalink

I thought we had already done teenage girls rapping over the donkey kong country 2 soundtrack

crüt, Saturday, 12 May 2012 05:28 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwx5A8Z1n0

crüt, Saturday, 12 May 2012 05:29 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yd8Kcu6Xsc

abcfsk, Saturday, 12 May 2012 05:42 (five years ago) Permalink

She's the female Main Attrakionz - with better songs and a less whiny voice.

longneck, Saturday, 12 May 2012 09:19 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah, I'm totally hearing this as an attentioncore/camcore/sext-pop/baitgaze/burbcore/bratstep/adderolcore/memepop spin on cloud rap

Chris S, Saturday, 12 May 2012 10:18 (five years ago) Permalink

yo that's an amazing post

The Reverend, Saturday, 12 May 2012 10:38 (five years ago) Permalink

lot of clear narratives inspired by actual events/people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOLEiihiDyw

undercooked but much more fun than striking a few poses lyrically speaking

abcfsk, Saturday, 12 May 2012 10:40 (five years ago) Permalink

of course ILX has people that would stan for this dumb garbage

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 May 2012 13:51 (five years ago) Permalink

Define "dumb garbage" in musical terms, please. She comes up with a lot of good lines. The sound of her voice goes well with the music. So what's the problem?

誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 12 May 2012 15:17 (five years ago) Permalink

If Tumblr was a person, it would sound like Kitty Pryde, and that's a good thing

BY
DAVID SHAPIRO

This morning, The FADER brought us the premiere of Kitty Pryde's "Okay Cupid" video starring the 17-year-old Daytona Beach, FL, rapper (that name sounds familiar, right?), who lit up the internet with the song when it dropped on April 11. She calls herself "the jailbait Hayley Williams of rap," and that sounds about right.

In the vein of internet superstars like Kreayshawn and Lana Del Rey, Pryde crafts tracks and videos with wide ranges of influence (hardcore rap, MacBook cameras, teen idolatry) that sound instantly appealing. But artists of this ilk raise the worthless questions that get bloggers' and commenters' blood boiling: Is it legitimate for a 17-year-old white girl with red hair to be rapping? Does liking her make you cool or lame?

buzza, Saturday, 12 May 2012 15:43 (five years ago) Permalink

But artists of this ilk raise the worthless questions that get bloggers' and commenters' blood boiling: Is it legitimate for a 17-year-old white girl with red hair to be rapping? Does liking her make you cool or lame?

Key word here - "worthless"

誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 12 May 2012 15:47 (five years ago) Permalink

not really a t-bomb but kind of cute at least

ogmor, Saturday, 12 May 2012 16:12 (five years ago) Permalink

She comes up with a lot of good lines. The sound of her voice goes well with the music. So what's the problem?

it sucks.

sarahell, Saturday, 12 May 2012 16:58 (five years ago) Permalink

don't think it sucks. just don't like it much. figure it's music for teens, and they can make of it what they will.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 18:25 (five years ago) Permalink

it's kind of weird but i don't know that i've ever felt so strongly that my personal response to an artist was so entirely irrelevant in trying to work out whether or not they're "any good". nor do i really care to have an opinion about the latter. to me, this shit is science fiction, like something that's maybe happening on mars.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 18:30 (five years ago) Permalink

Define "dumb garbage" in musical terms, please. She comes up with a lot of good lines. The sound of her voice goes well with the music. So what's the problem?
--誤訳侮辱

Scintillating questions from the dude who constantly brags about not listening to new rap music

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:10 (five years ago) Permalink

nice zing, but not much of an answer

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Doesn't warrant one.

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:25 (five years ago) Permalink

誤訳侮辱 = ???

The Reverend, Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Jin

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:44 (five years ago) Permalink

unperson

markers, Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:48 (five years ago) Permalink

Doesn't warrant one.

come on, sure it does. there have been lots of offhand slams in this thread, but no thoughtful criticism. which makes the collective distaste seem sort of toothless and silly, like it's more a knee-jerk, prejudicial reaction to the persona* than a meaningful evaluation of the music

* like maybe just guys hating on "girly shit", perennial human theme

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:48 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah def the problem here is people dismissing this outright than supporting fashion mags masquerading as rap experts hitting REPOST REPOST REPOST because they see internet dollar signs whenever a cute white girl says the n-word

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:24 (five years ago) Permalink

i have close to zero interest in this music but can i just ask - are the lyrics upthread real or made up?

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:38 (five years ago) Permalink

"but i gotta be true to my art / and soon you'll be exactly like elizabeth smart"

this just sounds like the sort of awful awkward shit i have to listen to when humanities teachers are like "oh yeah, sure you guys can do a rap video for your history presentation"

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:43 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah def the problem here is people dismissing this outright than supporting fashion mags masquerading as rap experts hitting REPOST REPOST REPOST because they see internet dollar signs whenever a cute white girl says the n-word

i do agree in that if there's one thing worse than a fashion magazine, it's a fucking "rap expert". fuck anybody who thinks people who have to pass some kind of genre expertise test before their interest & enthusiasm becomes valid. different people like different things for different reasons, big surprise.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:50 (five years ago) Permalink

I personally like MY rap music based on what gives hueg boners to the "I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren that are propping up the careers of white people who can't rap but look good doing it

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:58 (five years ago) Permalink

lol, i assume that this shit mostly appeals to kids and specifically to girls, not to "paedo manchildren". but who knows?

the hostility of certain ILX clubs to things that are seized upon and circulated by "the wrong people" for "the wrong reasons" never fails to baffle me

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:59 (five years ago) Permalink

Can't believe people on a music message board would value the opinions of experts.

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:00 (five years ago) Permalink

also, i grew up with punk, so phrases like "can't rap" don't resonate much for me. i'm more interested in what people do within their limitations than in technique for its own sake (though i definitely appreciate technique).

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:01 (five years ago) Permalink

Let me tell you about Lil B then

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:01 (five years ago) Permalink

the only thing i'm an expert on is knowing what i like, though i'm building strong skills in challops and appearing open-minded

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:03 (five years ago) Permalink

contenderizer you are being a little bit too uncynical imo

flopson, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:04 (five years ago) Permalink

Can't believe people on a music message board would value the opinions of experts.

the fact that someone is up on every punk rock record ever made doesn't make their opinion of spiral scratch any more valid to me than anyone else's. the expert can drop knowledge and make connections in ways that the novice can't match, and that's great, but taste isn't validated by expertise or invalidated by its absence. it just is. lots of vastly knowledgeable experts have shitty ideas, or no ideas at all. and relative novices often have interesting things to say. imo.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Let me tell you about Lil B then

lol, i sometimes like lil b. don't have the patience to wade through the torrent though.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:08 (five years ago) Permalink

cant u just admit that this shit sucks! i know you think it sucks!!

flopson, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:08 (five years ago) Permalink

LOL

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:09 (five years ago) Permalink

also it is hilarious & perfect that unperson of all people likes this

flopson, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:12 (five years ago) Permalink

re: expertise, i think teens would be a better set of "experts" to consult on the worthiness of this shit than professional rap critics, who i assume would reject it out of hand

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:13 (five years ago) Permalink

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

man down (D-40), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:16 (five years ago) Permalink

otm

flopson, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:16 (five years ago) Permalink

also d'uh some teens will like this, others won't

flopson, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:17 (five years ago) Permalink

some of the teens who like it will be cool inevitably but none of the adults or music critics who do will be

flopson, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:17 (five years ago) Permalink

"david shapiro" is like a lump of cancer cells that became sentient and then decided to spend its time writing blog posts about how cancer is misunderstood.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:24 (five years ago) Permalink

ouch

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:24 (five years ago) Permalink

really though aren't all humans kind of like a lump of cancer cells that became sentient and then decided to spend its time writing blog posts about how cancer is misunderstood?

the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:26 (five years ago) Permalink

"when i finally decided to kill myself, i thought about an ilm post that finally seemed to sum up humanity for me."

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:27 (five years ago) Permalink

no way! that's a gold star cancer there.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:30 (five years ago) Permalink

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

yeah, maybe, but i'm not into it, so i'm not too fussed.

sure, some teens will be into kitty pryde while others won't. that much is obvious enough. i meant that this strikes me as music made by and for teens, thus best evaluated by them, according to whatever weird teenage criteria they have bouncing around in their heads. when they group up, they'll re-evaluate it, and only then will we get any useful perspective on it.

of course grown-ups in the here and now will have and express opinions about it, too. we'll do this because we can't help ourselves, but grown-up opinion seems almost completely irrelevant. this music isn't for us, so the fact that many of us will hate it is no more interesting to me than the fact that a few will inevitably like it (though the former do seem a bit less creepy).

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:30 (five years ago) Permalink

^ a weird stance to take, i guess, esp since i do actively hate a lot of teen shit - ICP, for instance. in this particular case, though, the opinions of adults (adult men, especially) seem completely beside the point.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:32 (five years ago) Permalink

also, i get really grossed out then straight guys who like attractive women fault attractive women for the success their appearance (arguably) earns them. something fucked about that dynamic.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:34 (five years ago) Permalink

then = when

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:34 (five years ago) Permalink

also d'uh some teens will like this, others won't

enjoy the implication that "rap experts" are different in this

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:35 (five years ago) Permalink

its pop music. its all 'teen shit'

man down (D-40), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:39 (five years ago) Permalink

think it's ridiculous seeing grown-ass music writers, the likes of whom may have championed, say, rock n roll, girl groups, pop punk, pop, etc, write off music for being too teenage, or imply it's inappropriate to see the relevance in it because you're too old. I mean, if you follow pop as an adult, then you're kind of being a manchild by that logic yourself

the real issue I think is some people find it outside of the boundaries of what they're equipped to write about anymore so it pisses them off

Chris S, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:45 (five years ago) Permalink

its pop music. its all 'teen shit'

yeah, to varying degrees. from where i stand (sit) as a grown-ass man, this seems much farther away from my world & concerns than most pop. like i can kind of relate to odd future, for instance, maybe cuz i was a suburban teenage boy myself. same goes for skrillex, in its way. and i can relate to pop music made by older women when it describes a world i'm familiar with and/or interested in. but this is just another planet. and i invite the denizens of that planet to have at it, cuz i can't imagine that rap experts will be any better equipped to negotiate it than i am.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:48 (five years ago) Permalink

ugh, good job being terrible about talking about everything, ilx

Mordy, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:50 (five years ago) Permalink

you know what's crazy tho is there are like....teenage girls who are making good rap music and kitty pryde isn't one them

The Reverend, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:59 (five years ago) Permalink

maybe i'm not paying close enough attention and 'kitty pryde' just got a number one record release, the front cover of RS, and a favorable P4k review so a ton of male music critics screaming about how mediocre she is on ilx is not creepy at all.

Mordy, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:01 (five years ago) Permalink

'screaming'

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:03 (five years ago) Permalink

i wish someone would wipe a magnet on the fucking internet and erase it

― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:32 PM (2 days ago)

Mordy, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:03 (five years ago) Permalink

if you're getting all hot defending your privilege to throw an internet tantrum bc ppl like something you don't, u should just know in advance that it's nagl

Mordy, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:07 (five years ago) Permalink

think it's ridiculous seeing grown-ass music writers, the likes of whom may have championed, say, rock n roll, girl groups, pop punk, pop, etc, write off music for being too teenage, or imply it's inappropriate to see the relevance in it because you're too old. I mean, if you follow pop as an adult, then you're kind of being a manchild by that logic yourself

the real issue I think is some people find it outside of the boundaries of what they're equipped to write about anymore so it pisses them off

― Chris S, Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:45 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i write about lots of teen artists. good ones, who make good songs. acting like theres some kind of mysterious generational divide that grown folks cant possibly understand is bizarre.

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:08 (five years ago) Permalink

if you're getting all hot defending your privilege to throw an internet tantrum bc ppl like something you don't, u should just know in advance that it's nagl

― Mordy, Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe YOURE the one throwing the internet tantrum ...! hmmmmmmmm

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:08 (five years ago) Permalink

think it's okay to criticize music made by teenagers for being teenage, i think it's pretty clear that there's stuff "for kids" that reflects themes adults can relate to (finding nemo) and stuff "for kids" that's just bullshit for small minds (gi joe), similarly i think there's stuff by teenagers that has depth and stuff that doesn't

the idea that teenagers shouldn't be judged by adult standards is just ... teenage

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:08 (five years ago) Permalink

i guess i'm kind of doing what chris s was complaining about, but stepping back and recusing myself instead of getting pissed off and hating. i think a lot of teen musical culture gets short shrift from adult critics, whether it be nu-metal, emo, drop-driven dubstep or "tumblr rap".

that's not particularly surprising. we like music when it affirms our values and aesthetics, dislike it when it doesn't. once we realize that our values and aesthetics are themselves open to question, it becomes very hard to say what's good or bad in any final sense. we're left only with "i like it" or "i don't", and that doesn't carry much weight beyond the circle of people who happen to share our point of view.

i can see exactly who might like this music and why. i can also see the vast gulf between that sensibility and my own. since i have no negative feelings toward planet teengirl as a culture, i don't hate this music. there are a few things about it that i appreciate, and a bunch that irritate me. mostly, though, i just see that it isn't for me.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:09 (five years ago) Permalink

or "tumblr rap".

this isnt actually a big popular movement like dubstep or emo tho. its critical circle jerk ish. kitty pryde isnt popular (yet)

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:13 (five years ago) Permalink

you know what's crazy tho is there are like....teenage girls who are making good rap music and kitty pryde isn't one them

― The Reverend, Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:59 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i write about lots of teen artists. good ones, who make good songs.

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this strikes me as naive. you guys are just saying that there are teenage girls who make music that seems "good" according to your values, perhaps according to "established rap values" or w/e. that's fine, but it doesn't mean that other music can't be just as successful according to other standards.

i can see why intelligent people (especially teens, and perhaps especially teen girls) might view kitty pryde as "good" according to radically different criteria. i don't think that these other points of view are any less valid than that of rap experts - even when it comes to something that's ostensibly "rap music".

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:15 (five years ago) Permalink

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:16 (five years ago) Permalink

this strikes me as naive. you guys are just saying that there are teenage girls who make music that seems "good" according to your values, perhaps according to "established rap values" or w/e. that's fine, but it doesn't mean that other music can't be just as successful according to other standards.

i can see why intelligent people (especially teens, and perhaps especially teen girls) might view kitty pryde as "good" according to radically different criteria. i don't think that these other points of view are any less valid than that of rap experts - even when it comes to something that's ostensibly "rap music".

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:15 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is moronic bro. im just arguing that this mystical 'teenness' doesn't make them any more immune from critical analysis than any other style of music.

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:17 (five years ago) Permalink

lol i should have just let V have that one

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:17 (five years ago) Permalink

what did churchill say?

"if you're young and rockist you don't have a heart, if you're old and popist you don't have a brain"

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:19 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm just kidding, obv there are old popists (who used to post on this board) who i respect

i just think its ironic, i used to argue for radical subjectivity too, then i met the lex

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:20 (five years ago) Permalink

this isnt actually a big popular movement like dubstep or emo tho. its critical circle jerk ish. kitty pryde isnt popular (yet)

oh i know, that's why i put it in quotes. she does seem to be generating page hits and interest, and that's p much the contemporary version of popular. i think it's likely that more kids have watched her videos than adults/critics, and that more kids than adults genuinely like and relate to her music.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:21 (five years ago) Permalink

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:16 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, but if you're inclined to view teen girl culture in terms of dogs eating their own poop, then maybe (just maybe) you're not really equipped to be critiquing this sort of music

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:22 (five years ago) Permalink

"teen girl culture"

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:23 (five years ago) Permalink

obviously sir you know nothing about the teenage girl, her likes and dislikes and particular listening habits.

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:24 (five years ago) Permalink

anyway eating poop was more sort of a reference to reading yr posts

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:25 (five years ago) Permalink

really digging this new poop mixtape

ogmor, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:26 (five years ago) Permalink

"teen girl culture"

well yeah. that's where this music is coming from, what it deal with, and what it seems made for: middle class, american, internet-addled teen culture (girl variety).

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:28 (five years ago) Permalink

you know i actually know a couple hundred teenage girls and i doubt more than 25% of them would be into this mainly because it's not serious enough

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Did I read correctly that Kitty is in college?

dlp9001, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:29 (five years ago) Permalink

im just arguing that this mystical 'teenness' doesn't make them any more immune from critical analysis than any other style of music.

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:17 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

o sure. i just think that this music would probably be best analyzed by people who have a specific fondness for, understanding of and interest in teen culture. i.e., teens & especially teenage girls.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:29 (five years ago) Permalink

you know i actually know a couple hundred teenage girls and i doubt more than 25% of them would be into this mainly because it's not serious enough

25% is pretty good! i doubt that most of the music i like best would be enjoyed by more than 10% of the bitter old collector nerd cranks out there.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:30 (five years ago) Permalink

This music lacks discipline, but anything that agitates adult music fans is automatically a good thing.

Banaka™ (banaka), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:30 (five years ago) Permalink

well yeah. that's where this music is coming from, what it deal with, and what it seems made for: middle class, american, internet-addled teen culture (girl variety).

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so far it seems more like its made for music writers bc those are the only people i see reacting to it

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:30 (five years ago) Permalink

banaka otm as usual

Mordy, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:31 (five years ago) Permalink

people who have a specific fondness for, understanding of and interest in teen culture. i.e., teens & especially teenage girls.

gonna update my resume w/ this

johnny crunch, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:31 (five years ago) Permalink

so the other 75% of teen girls, what culture are they in

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:31 (five years ago) Permalink

o sure. i just think that this music would probably be best analyzed by people who have a specific fondness for, understanding of and interest in teen culture. i.e., teens & especially teenage girls.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but u dont understand ... i just posted, on fader, the exact same day, about a teenage girl who raps. and shes not gracing the ny times today. why do u think that is?

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:31 (five years ago) Permalink

i mean 25% of the teen girls i know basically just listen to the beatles and stones and dylan, does that prove the beatles and stones and dylan were made for them?

actually they sort of were! and yet that doesn't stop many white critics from liking them?

things that make you go HM

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:32 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s2WZv0MXm4

Chris S, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:33 (five years ago) Permalink

i guess those other 75% have been sucked in by what older people think is important and what teenage girls should listen to, unlike the kitty pryde fans that represent the real teen girl

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:33 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LV4VpYicCE

isnt this TEEN GIRL CULTURE & why isnt it getting full writeups in natl publications??

btw i'm not saying it should, im just curious if anyone thinks theres something SO NOVEL about KP's music that it's earned this kind of attention

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:34 (five years ago) Permalink

Did I read correctly that Kitty is in college?

yeah, articles about her have elided her real age. she talks abt being 16 in "justin bieber", but i get the feeling that she's at least a few years older.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:35 (five years ago) Permalink

so the other 75% of teen girls, what culture are they in

same culture and different cultures at the same time. no culture is truly unitary, especially not one so vast as "teenage girls in america". and people are different, no surprise.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:36 (five years ago) Permalink

so tell me, if its no surprise then why do you keep saying dumb shit about "teen culture"

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:37 (five years ago) Permalink

you're like that idiot i knew in high school who would claim all of his errors were actually rhetorical stratagems and socratic method

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:38 (five years ago) Permalink

isnt this TEEN GIRL CULTURE & why isnt it getting full writeups in natl publications??

i'd say that the 2nd most obvious reason is that it's familiar music that succeeds according to the established rules of rap as a genre. there's nothing terribly novel about it.

don't want to get into the 1st most obvious reason, as i don't think it would benefit the thread.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:38 (five years ago) Permalink

benefit the thread? come on, don't break your streak now.

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:40 (five years ago) Permalink

Ok, so she's in college and at least 16. Glad to hear that young kids are making music now. I'll send a letter to Alex Chilton in his grave to let him know.

dlp9001, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:40 (five years ago) Permalink

so tell me, if its no surprise then why do you keep saying dumb shit about "teen culture"

that we can identify cultural groups doesn't mean they're unitary. and i think that, though neither is homogeneous, it would be hard to find two cultural groups in america with less in common, aesthetically and philosophically, than adult male music critics and teenage girls.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:40 (five years ago) Permalink

i'd say that the 2nd most obvious reason is that it's familiar music that succeeds according to the established rules of rap as a genre. there's nothing terribly novel about it.

now who's the 'rap expert'

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:41 (five years ago) Permalink

benefit the thread? come on, don't break your streak now.

hey, look: i've been civil and positive all the way through. if you've got something to say, then say it. i'm not pushing for any kind of clusterfuck here.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:42 (five years ago) Permalink

sometimes i wish an ilxor would be like: 'i don't understand how anything works, i don't know why anyone including me really likes anything, the void is infinite and stretches before me i'm afraid" cause that would be preferable to this exchange

Mordy, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:42 (five years ago) Permalink

jeez mordy step away from the computer already

xp

ok, here's what i have to say: you keep making ~BIG PRONOUNCEMENTS~ about subjects like ~TEENAGE GIRL CULTURE~ based on ideation rather than any actual experience and iirc i called you out about this on another thread

i mean sorry if you don't like it but getting called on your bullshit is rarely a pleasant experience

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:43 (five years ago) Permalink

the other artists brought up in this thread and youtube'd in this thread to suggest "this, on the other hand, is good" don't do anything of the same personal coming of age diary sort, and whether you think kp is complete dog shit or not no critics here seem capable of asking or answering why this particular person gets more appreciation than other teenage white blog music girls who don't, like all they can say is "this is embarassing", "this is a fashion mag CONSPIRACY", there's no critical thought into it, no willingness to argue about the music itself, the message, the point of view this person is coming from, only generalized bullshit about teen culture drawn from their own past. embarassing.

abcfsk, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:44 (five years ago) Permalink

now who's the 'rap expert'

don't claim any expertise. as i see it, sasha go hard's approach is much more in line with the loosely defined, quality-defining "rules" of rap as a genre than KP's. if i'm wrong in that, let me know.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:44 (five years ago) Permalink

i think whats novel abt her was touched upon upthread.

reporting believably from the frontlines of teenhood while being smart enough to reflect and joke about it in a genuinely funny and touching way

also idk y old ppl (including myself in this) cannot relate, the themes are p universal adolescence stuff & uncertainty & playfulness just updated 2 include the weirdness of the internet also

johnny crunch, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:45 (five years ago) Permalink

you contenderizer i don't see what's so civil about implying a bunch of posters are secretly sexist paedophiles because they think this girl is bullshit

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:46 (five years ago) Permalink

there's no critical thought into it, no willingness to argue about the music itself, the message, the point of view this person is coming from, only generalized bullshit about teen culture drawn from their own past. embarassing.

ironically enough that's pretty much how the positive kudos for kitty pryde read too

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:47 (five years ago) Permalink

abcfsk otm

johnny crunch, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:47 (five years ago) Permalink

don't claim any expertise. as i see it, sasha go hard's approach is much more in line with the loosely defined, quality-defining "rules" of rap as a genre than KP's. if i'm wrong in that, let me know.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:44 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is bc of your own white privilege & constant justification of the status quo of discourse as if its a naturally occurring thing instead of the result of ppl's power relations etc.

you're not wrong about sasha per se, you're wrong about KP being some radical break w/ (a different) tradition. she raps like paul barman over the same beats main attrakionz have been using to banal wallpaper smedium internet success.

xxp 'the frontlines of teenhood' gtfo

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:48 (five years ago) Permalink

also idk y old ppl (including myself in this) cannot relate, the themes are p universal adolescence stuff & uncertainty & playfulness just updated 2 include the weirdness of the internet also

― johnny crunch, Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:45 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they cant relate bc its poorly executed

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:49 (five years ago) Permalink

don't do anything of the same personal coming of age diary

ah yes, the in situ bildungsroman, highest form of art

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:49 (five years ago) Permalink

you keep making ~BIG PRONOUNCEMENTS~ about subjects like ~TEENAGE GIRL CULTURE~ based on ideation rather than any actual experience and iirc i called you out about this on another thread

i haven't really made any big pronouncements about anything, though. i merely suggested that the POV articulated in this music might be alienating to adult male music critics due to simple cultural distance. you don't know anything about where i'm coming from, what i know or don't. and in that other thread, you did exactly the same thing: arrogantly proclaimed the superiority of your understanding without even trying to engage with what i was saying (before dramatically storming out).

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:50 (five years ago) Permalink

this is bc of your own white privilege & constant justification of the status quo of discourse as if its a naturally occurring thing instead of the result of ppl's power relations etc.

you're not wrong about sasha per se, you're wrong about KP being some radical break w/ (a different) tradition. she raps like paul barman over the same beats main attrakionz have been using to banal wallpaper smedium internet success.

xxp 'the frontlines of teenhood' gtfo

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the first part of that is horseshit, and unless you can support it with stuff that i've said in this thread, it's contemptible that you'd feel the need to drag it in.

the second part i disagree with. i think it was easy for adult critics (mostly dudes) to relate to and appreciate paul barman's schtick. much less so kitty pryde's.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:52 (five years ago) Permalink

"merely"? you sure you don't mean "feebly"?

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:54 (five years ago) Permalink

the paul barman comparison is abt her musical approach. there's nothing novel about her style that isn't also novel about sasha's in a different context

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:54 (five years ago) Permalink

i haven't really made any big pronouncements about anything, though. i merely suggested that the POV articulated in this music might be alienating to adult male music critics due to simple cultural distance.

haha! i'm such a simpleton! i don't understand "simple cultural distance" between "my culture" and "teen culture".

how arrogant to assume that since i work day in and day out with teenagers i might know a thing or two about what they like or dislike or whether kitty pride "speaks for them"!

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:55 (five years ago) Permalink

you contenderizer i don't see what's so civil about implying a bunch of posters are secretly sexist paedophiles because they think this girl is bullshit

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:46 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you misread something. i casually (jokingly) agreed that adult male fans of KP were creepier than the haters. in response to whiney calling her fans "paedo manchildren". otoh, i do suspect that knee-jerk sexism does play into the contempt that's habitually displayed by men for specifically female culture, and this is no exception.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:56 (five years ago) Permalink

contenderizer lacks so much self awareness that he cant see how his 'simple cultural distance' might actual inform his bias about the novelty of KP vs Sasha

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:57 (five years ago) Permalink

oh i see it was a joke, what an idiot i am!

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:57 (five years ago) Permalink

haha! i'm such a simpleton! i don't understand "simple cultural distance" between "my culture" and "teen culture".

how arrogant to assume that since i work day in and day out with teenagers i might know a thing or two about what they like or dislike or whether kitty pride "speaks for them"!

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:55 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're personalizing this in a very strange way. i haven't said anything about you specifically.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:57 (five years ago) Permalink

hahaha "female culture" i should ask my mom about kitty pryde tomorrow, maybe SHE can break it down for me

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:57 (five years ago) Permalink

actually, dickhead, you specifically said i was arrogant

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:58 (five years ago) Permalink

oh i see it was a joke, what an idiot i am!

no, what you missed was that i wasn't calling the haters paedophiles

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Ayo contendo just fyi man you don't have deeply contemplate every single thing on the internet

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:58 (five years ago) Permalink

oh whoops i missed it!

WTF is wrong with you? do you have some sort of short-term amnesia when you post to the internet?

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:58 (five years ago) Permalink

actually, dickhead, you specifically said i was arrogant

i was referring primarily to your behavior in the other thread, something you brought up

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:59 (five years ago) Permalink

once again the subtleties of your argument are beyond my simple mind

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:59 (five years ago) Permalink

oh i see you weren't referring to me, you were referring to my behavior in the other thread

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:59 (five years ago) Permalink

hahaha "female culture" i should ask my mom about kitty pryde tomorrow, maybe SHE can break it down for me

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so you don't think guys often shit on things for being too "girly", or for "chicks" or w/e?

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:00 (five years ago) Permalink

ironically enough that's pretty much how the positive kudos for kitty pryde read too

well for starters a lot more of it actually quotes lyrics and attempts some contextualizing and appraisal of what's being said. that's a big advantage right there

ah yes, the in situ bildungsroman, highest form of art

your point? this isn't a value judgement. people post random alternatives and go "why isn't this completely different product awarded the same exact attention?". I think before you ask those questions is the right time to actually check out what you're talking about. I mean, we've got people actually using the beats as an example of why this is redundant.

other than that I really hope most of these people aren't still in this thread when I wake up tomorrow

abcfsk, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:01 (five years ago) Permalink

my point is that you don't automatically score points for writing "a personal coming of age story" if you do it in a wack way

i think that, though neither is homogeneous, it would be hard to find two cultural groups in america with less in common, aesthetically and philosophically, than adult male music critics and teenage girls

nope no big pronouncements here

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:02 (five years ago) Permalink

other than that I really hope most of these people aren't still in this thread when I wake up tomorrow

FINALLY some common ground on this thread

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:03 (five years ago) Permalink

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

my world of young ppl is being shattered over here

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:04 (five years ago) Permalink

oh i see you weren't referring to me, you were referring to my behavior in the other thread

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:59 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sigh. you got all heated and seemed to imply that i was telling you how to feel about "teen culture". i wasn't. how you feel is your business. that's the strange personalization i was referring to.

honestly, if the worst thing i've said about your behavior itt is that it's been "arrogant", then i've been remarkably civil, given the provocation...

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:05 (five years ago) Permalink

thats a pretty misleading reference 2 what 'my world of young ppl' was about xp

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:05 (five years ago) Permalink

nope no big pronouncements here

yeah, that's a pronouncement. don't see it as terribly big or remarkable, but perhaps we differ there. okay...

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:06 (five years ago) Permalink

contenderizer is it possible that your distance from teen female culture could be causing you to OVERRATE the significance of this song?

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:06 (five years ago) Permalink

contenderizer lacks so much self awareness that he cant see how his 'simple cultural distance' might actual inform his bias about the novelty of KP vs Sasha

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:57 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, i understand the way my cultural positioning affects my perception. but i disagree that my cultural positioning invalidates my perception.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:07 (five years ago) Permalink

you know contendo, some people find condescension a lot more provocative than swearing, which is probably why people hate on you

so you don't think guys often shit on things for being too "girly", or for "chicks" or w/e?

no, certainly not people like j0rdan or d-40 or rev or whoever who are all over the r&b threads

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:07 (five years ago) Permalink

no, i understand the way my cultural positioning affects my perception. but i disagree that my cultural positioning invalidates my perception.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:07 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you dont realize this completely undermines your argument about us hating on this song

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:09 (five years ago) Permalink

contenderizer is it possible that your distance from teen female culture could be causing you to OVERRATE the significance of this song?

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, definitely! that's part of what i meant when i talked earlier about it seeming to exist on a different planet. i don't necessarily think it's all that significant, fwiw. just strikingly novel.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:09 (five years ago) Permalink

you dont realize this completely undermines your argument about us hating on this song

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:09 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, because i'm not saying that you're wrong to hate it. i'm just saying that there might be equally good reasons to like it.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:09 (five years ago) Permalink

Enough people seem annoyed and angry to maybe get one of these songs into the ilx top 77. I'll try

abcfsk, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:10 (five years ago) Permalink

thats a pretty misleading reference 2 what 'my world of young ppl' was about xp

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:05 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

that's honestly pretty much always how i had read your world of young ppl posts, though, dude. obviously it's not remotely the same situation but that's how a lot of your "i know lots of young women who really love nicki minaj" stuff came off to me.

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:11 (five years ago) Permalink

unless your point is your world of collegiate club kids is way more legit that anyone's world of high school kids or w/e

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:12 (five years ago) Permalink

i used to be a teen girl. pretty certain i would have thought kitty pryde was 1000 times more shitty then than i do now. maybe that's just age at work - more things qualify as mediocre, less as offensive garbage?

i don't think the audience for this is teen girls though, i think it's 20-something hipster guys.

sarahell, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:12 (five years ago) Permalink

"so you don't think guys often shit on things for being too 'girly', or for 'chicks' or w/e?"

no, certainly not people like j0rdan or d-40 or rev or whoever who are all over the r&b threads

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's no one in particular that i feel like taking shots at. but i do feel like i have encountered sexism in the evaluation of female pop personas on ILX (and been responsible for some of it myself).

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:12 (five years ago) Permalink

it meant exactly the opposite, Al! 'my world' explicitly emphasizes the anecdotal nature of it! xxp

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:13 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't think the audience for this is teen girls though, i think it's 20-something hipster guys.

hard to know, but if that winds up being the case, i'll be much less inclined to defend it

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:13 (five years ago) Permalink

it reminds me of that "pink and purple" girly "cover" of the "black and yellow" song.

sarahell, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:15 (five years ago) Permalink

in terms of hipster appeal

sarahell, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:16 (five years ago) Permalink

instant clusterfuck, just add youtube girl

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:17 (five years ago) Permalink

there was a clusterfuck about the "pink and purple" song? i thought it was cute.

sarahell, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:19 (five years ago) Permalink

no, i mean this thing (and LDR). i watched the pink and purple video cuz someone linked it here somewhere, but remember nothing about it. aside from, yeah, was cute.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:20 (five years ago) Permalink

oh i know, that's why i put it in quotes.

you misread something

i haven't really made ... i merely suggested

no, what you missed was ...

i was referring primarily to ...

that's part of what i meant when i said ...

no, because i'm not saying that you're wrong to hate it.

honestly contenderizer i don't get how you don't expect people to get pissed at you when you spend most of your time telling people that disagree w/ u that they're not understanding what you're saying, it's like really really really condescending and lame

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:21 (five years ago) Permalink

but that girl was much younger, right? like 8?

sarahell, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:22 (five years ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/images/ic/credit/640x395/l/le/least_weasel/least_weasel_1.jpg

^^ this is you, contenderizer

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:22 (five years ago) Permalink

i think that, though neither is homogeneous, it would be hard to find two cultural groups in america with less in common, aesthetically and philosophically, than adult male music critics and teenage girls

Tbh adult male rock critics are about as catty as teenage girls

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:24 (five years ago) Permalink

pffft everyone is catty on the internet

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:24 (five years ago) Permalink

so what am i supposed to do, man? you came at me hard (and in massive, full-flame condescension mode, btw), and kept reducing things i'd said to weird, distorted cartoons you could sneer at. so i tried to explain myself - speaking simply and struggling to avoid insult and condescension. if that's infuriating, then i'm at a loss.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Tbh adult male rock critics are about as catty as teenage girls

― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pffft everyone is catty on the internet

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:24 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

truth bomb

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:26 (five years ago) Permalink

i think i'm just disappointed that kitty pryde isn't a flaming queer. like that name is perfect for a baby dyke with a brightly colored fauxhawk.

sarahell, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:27 (five years ago) Permalink

re: lastweasel

that's a pretty cute guy, late great! if i'm him, then i'm okay with that. but i don't think i've "weaseled" here. instead i think that you and deej were strawmanning me like champs, and instead of freaking out about it, i just tried to steer things back the points i was actually trying to make.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:27 (five years ago) Permalink

hahaha strawmanning, you're the one that lumped us in with these unnamed people who shit on teenage girls

ok ok ok i'm sorry, let's hug it out

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:28 (five years ago) Permalink

cont and deej are kind of perfect yin/yangs of each other because they both think they're constantly explaining themselves perfectly and are just horrified to be still so apparently misunderstood

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:30 (five years ago) Permalink

i formally apologize for accusing the late great and deej of shitting on teenage girls

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:32 (five years ago) Permalink

cont and deej are kind of perfect yin/yangs of each other because they both think they're constantly explaining themselves perfectly and are just horrified to be still so apparently misunderstood

truth bomb (much as i hate to admit it)

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:32 (five years ago) Permalink

it frustrates and confuses me to no end

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:33 (five years ago) Permalink

i accept your apology, and in turn i extend one for coming at you hard

but hey, work hard, play hard

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:34 (five years ago) Permalink

i think i'm just disappointed that kitty pryde isn't a flaming queer. like that name is perfect for a baby dyke with a brightly colored fauxhawk.

otm

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:34 (five years ago) Permalink

cont and deej are kind of perfect yin/yangs of each other because they both think they're constantly explaining themselves perfectly and are just horrified to be still so apparently misunderstood

― some dude, Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:30 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why r u even arguing with me in this thread other than you are constantly trying to beef w/ me?

'my world of young people' = 'in my anecdotal experience, people in my peer group' dont know why that was so confusing for you

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:54 (five years ago) Permalink

everything ain't beef dogg tone it down like 800%

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:58 (five years ago) Permalink

comparing me to contenderizer is serious bizness sorry

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:58 (five years ago) Permalink

she has 1600 twitter followers. o_O not even CLOSE to popular

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:02 (five years ago) Permalink

with teen girl culture

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:02 (five years ago) Permalink

lol

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:02 (five years ago) Permalink

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3h58af1Jv1qbxhluo1_500.jpg

this is black veil brides. they have 192,000 Twitter followers and teenagers love them. They've never gotten a New York Times profile

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:06 (five years ago) Permalink

i can see why

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:25 (five years ago) Permalink

can we safely assume the "why" is because they're not interesting to hipsters

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:44 (five years ago) Permalink

thats what im sayin doe

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:53 (five years ago) Permalink

this strikes me as naive. you guys are just saying that there are teenage girls who make music that seems "good" according to your values, perhaps according to "established rap values" or w/e. that's fine, but it doesn't mean that other music can't be just as successful according to other standards.

most (or all?) of the teenage girls who are currently making good rap music are challenging those "established rap values". try again, son.

The Reverend, Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:56 (five years ago) Permalink

syllogism! try again bro.

balls, Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:59 (five years ago) Permalink

also spin's gotta love having an editor who rejects the idea of catering to yr readers. money well spent!

balls, Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:01 (five years ago) Permalink

spin's readership might have been hit recently but i doubt that they're doing so bad that kitty's 1600 twitter followers are going to hurt the bottom line

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:02 (five years ago) Permalink

recently = this century? since guccione sold it? anyone here actually think whiney's gonna be working at spin in five years? anyone here actually think it's gonna be his choice? continue to be mystified at the times is more interested in catering to tumblr hipsters than metal dorks though.

balls, Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:11 (five years ago) Permalink

i think the most garbage-y thing about this is that the music doesn't really do anything - there is a rhythm to her lyrics/delivery but the backing music is seriously lacking in that department.

sarahell, Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:12 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah her video ain't exactly blowin up. slow news week I guess.

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:14 (five years ago) Permalink

meanwhile the "cracker might be the police" has been intermittently stuck in my head for the past 24 hrs.

sarahell, Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:14 (five years ago) Permalink

^^^that song bangs imo

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:26 (five years ago) Permalink

it does, as does the Sasha track you posted!

sarahell, Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:27 (five years ago) Permalink

yup, on both counts.

The Reverend, Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:32 (five years ago) Permalink

the new york times caters to metal dorks too but only hipster metal dorks

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:48 (five years ago) Permalink

that cracker might be the police (Repeat)

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 04:02 (five years ago) Permalink

rofl @ reading this thread and seeing deej once again getting all haughty over "my world of young ppl". like seeing an old friend.

J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 May 2012 04:26 (five years ago) Permalink

getting "haughty"?

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 04:55 (five years ago) Permalink

most (or all?) of the teenage girls who are currently making good rap music are challenging those "established rap values". try again, son.

― The Reverend, Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:56 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, i'm sure they are, to some extent or another. but if their product nonetheless scans as "good rap music" to rap experts, then it's likely more in keeping with the genre's established standards than KP's shit, which most ILX rap fans seem to agree is complete garbage. to seem like "garbage" to the arbiters of taste in a given genre is, by definition, to have failed in relation to its baseline rules and values. to seem "good" is to have succeeded, to be more inside than out.

like, this is novelty pop (popular or not). therefore, it wouldn't be interesting to anybody unless it actually did seem novel on some level. and that novelty value isn't limited to KP's appearance. it's also present in her delivery, language and sensibility.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 06:12 (five years ago) Permalink

which most ILX rap fans seem to agree is complete garbage.

Glad we all agree.

Bulge Pimp (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Sunday, 13 May 2012 06:29 (five years ago) Permalink

Dog rap fans hating something does not make it novel

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:01 (five years ago) Permalink

no, it but it does make it "bad rap" according to whatever evaluation criteria they're using.

the novelty argument is only tangentially related. "good rap" could be novel too, though likely in other ways.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:09 (five years ago) Permalink

Thanks very insightful way to say nothing

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:11 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't see any reason for this conversation to be prosecuted in such a belligerent manner. it's exhausting and depressing.

it seems to me that KP's music has certain merits of its own, independent of whether it succeeds or fails as rap music (as evaluated by rap experts). the fact that it's "bad rap" isn't even a particularly damning criticism, so long as those other merits are sufficiently substantial. it struck me very strongly when first listening to this music that those "other merits", to the extent that they exist, are probably not best evaluated by grown-up music fanatic dudes. especially not when their response is limited to sneering dismissal.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:31 (five years ago) Permalink

that's not a slam, and it's certainly not directed at anyone itt

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:33 (five years ago) Permalink

i think the most garbage-y thing about this is that the music doesn't really do anything - there is a rhythm to her lyrics/delivery but the backing music is seriously lacking in that department.

she's got like one original production, the rest is her finding beats and rapping over them. we'll see what happen now that people are going to work with her.

abcfsk, Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:47 (five years ago) Permalink

"justin bieber's initials on all my winter clothes" is definitely a phrase for me right now

abcfsk, Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:01 (five years ago) Permalink

This shit about "rap experts" is super condescending btw, imo this fails as good music pt blank, not nec by "rap standards". As if ppl who like rap are.so tunnel-vision that they couldn't possibly see the world in an unblinkered manner

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:24 (five years ago) Permalink

fwiw, i was only talking about the relationship of KP to "good rap music" because others in the thread framed the conversation that way. makes more sense to me to talk about it simply as "music" in a general sense.

i guess i disagree that this stuff "fails as good music" mostly because that seems like such a strange claim. it should suffice to say that you don't like it. i'm not a fan, but i think she does certain things reasonably well. for one thing, she tells a good story. she communicates time, place, character, attitude and culture effectively. she's at least half capable of riding the beat, though she's not spinning my head with the technique or anything. as a rapper, she establishes and maintains a narrative identity and point of view, one that seems authentic and is delivered with a measure of wit and self-awareness. this doesn't make her great, but given the momentary novelty of her voice and persona, i can sort of see the appeal.

whether or not her voice & style sound nice is the big make or break, and that's where i excuse myself from consideration. they don't work for me, but rather than write her off, i wonder whether teenage girls are better able to relate...

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:51 (five years ago) Permalink

vahid's attitude itt = "u guys had your fun with this 'popism' lark but we all know serious dude music is the only type that can be taken seriously and all this girly stuff is OBVIOUSLY dogshit RIGHT" and as such a million times more reprehensible than kitty pryde

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 13 May 2012 10:33 (five years ago) Permalink

lex you are not a woman

Melissa W, Sunday, 13 May 2012 10:46 (five years ago) Permalink

this thing you do where you co-opt the rage women feel at the fact that female musicians are usually dismissed as artists to defend whatever random pop song you're into this week is nagl

Melissa W, Sunday, 13 May 2012 10:47 (five years ago) Permalink

that isn't what i do, here or elsewhere

but if you're fine with the "OBVIOUSLY this is horseshit and we don't even need to argue why because it's OBVIOUS" line being peddled by vahid itt i guess that's ok?

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 13 May 2012 10:49 (five years ago) Permalink

That's not a good look either. And also not my point. My point is that the way you rep for female artists verges on feminist rage puppetry sometimes.

Melissa W, Sunday, 13 May 2012 10:52 (five years ago) Permalink

i think that's really inaccurate and given how little our paths cross on ilx i'd also hazard a guess you don't really know what you're talking about w/r/t me. i rep for artists i enjoy.

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 13 May 2012 10:54 (five years ago) Permalink

The fact that you rep for artists you enjoy in this particular way is exactly the issue here. I'm really tired of seeing you (and yes, I have seen you frequently) using this line of argument with people like Kitty Pryde when it's not something that you can actually be invested in the way I am or any other woman is. If your issue is that you think Kitty Pryde has quality that's being dismissed, then talk about that quality. You, as a man, really shouldn't be using this "she's being dismissed for being a girl" reasoning unless someone is being blatantly sexist about her. It's otherwise up to her female fans to call out sexism, frankly. Otherwise it reads like you are using the politics and rage of issues that don't belong to you to defend your taste.

Melissa W, Sunday, 13 May 2012 11:06 (five years ago) Permalink

telling anyone not to call out sexism because it's not an issue which "belongs to them" is the thing that's really not a good look imo

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 13 May 2012 11:11 (five years ago) Permalink

vahid's attitude itt = "u guys had your fun with this 'popism' lark but we all know serious dude music is the only type that can be taken seriously and all this girly stuff is OBVIOUSLY dogshit RIGHT" and as such a million times more reprehensible than kitty pryde

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:33 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I control-f'd for examples of this but couldn't find??

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 11:24 (five years ago) Permalink

well people didn't literally say that

abcfsk, Sunday, 13 May 2012 11:26 (five years ago) Permalink

This seemed pretty true to me albeit hardly truth-bomb true:

think it's okay to criticize music made by teenagers for being teenage, i think it's pretty clear that there's stuff "for kids" that reflects themes adults can relate to (finding nemo) and stuff "for kids" that's just bullshit for small minds (gi joe), similarly i think there's stuff by teenagers that has depth and stuff that doesn't

the idea that teenagers shouldn't be judged by adult standards is just ... teenage

― the late great, Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:08 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Of course I am an adult who relates to themes expressed in the teenage-era music of Ashlee Simpson, Taylor Swift et. al. Maybe vahid would say I've gotten him wrong? I don't know what he thinks about teenpop.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 11:27 (five years ago) Permalink

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

― the late great, Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:16 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what did churchill say?

"if you're young and rockist you don't have a heart, if you're old and popist you don't have a brain"

― the late great, Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:19 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 13 May 2012 11:42 (five years ago) Permalink

oh i didn't realise you were counting empty trolling.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 11:43 (five years ago) Permalink

if i didn't count empty trolling why would i even talk about vahid

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 13 May 2012 11:45 (five years ago) Permalink

I think the first comment makes more sense in context though.

It's right to say that teenpop (and other teen-made popular music) that succeeds does so on the basis of the same kind of criteria as anything else. It cannot be excused or dismissed on the basis that teenagers' brains are different.

I simply don't buy that adults can't relate to the experience of being a teenager. Sure, a lot of them don't want to, but that's a different thing.

I don't think it's fundamentally different to the way a lot of people talk about rom-coms. The role of age as some kind of cultural barrier is way overrated.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 11:50 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't understand how contenderizer can't see that his "this is by and for teenage girl culture" argument falls apart with "1,600 twitter followers"

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 May 2012 11:54 (five years ago) Permalink

if someone just started becoming famous literally less than a week ago then pulling up "statistics" that "prove" who their audience is or how big it is or will be is pretty ridiculous

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 12:01 (five years ago) Permalink

1,701 followers now ;)

Number None, Sunday, 13 May 2012 12:03 (five years ago) Permalink

^famous

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 May 2012 12:18 (five years ago) Permalink

i still don't quite understand why understanding something's importance to "teen culture" and still thinking it's water-weak bullshit are incompatible ideas to hold at the same time.

ftr i have no real aesthetic or sociological opinion about tumblr rapper kitty pryde.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:21 (five years ago) Permalink

this whoel thing is very much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7zFFmk80w4

dayo, Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:34 (five years ago) Permalink

caramanica always throws off the hype cycle

max, Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:59 (five years ago) Permalink

god damn i love Atom. he did one of my favourite shows ever back in the day. can we just turn this thread into an Atom youtubes one please? ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynFEQdh9hpg&feature=related

Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 13 May 2012 14:00 (five years ago) Permalink

i interview atom and the package for a friends zine once

max, Sunday, 13 May 2012 14:03 (five years ago) Permalink

meanwhile the "cracker might be the police" has been intermittently stuck in my head for the past 24 hrs.

― sarahell, Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:14 PM (Yesterday)

the best is when you can employ the phrase irl

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Sunday, 13 May 2012 17:03 (five years ago) Permalink

you know lex, that's not what i'm saying at all, and i'm sorry if i offended you by casually using you as an example, it was insensitive and to be honest it was not even about you. that said, i recall your advocacy of the paris hilton album on ILM as the point that i started to not be on board w/ popism anymore and i really started to feel like supporting particular stuff just to make a populist critical statement was actually a thing, not that i'm saying i have proof that's what you were up to, but just that i started to suspect that this might be lurking just under the surface of the nylpm "everything is great!" stance.

though i could just as easily have picked, for example, the village voice crew and their advocacy of certain country acts as a thing too. or, more to the point, i could have picked myself, because i used to give a big pass to a wide swath of rather crappy commercial dance hits on more or less the same grounds (though i still stand by some of those choices).

and to be really really clear, the dogshit line has nothing to do with comparing music by girls to dogshit, or even kitty pryde's music. to be honest, i haven't even listened to a single kitty pryde track, and if you scan through here i haven't even said anything about her music. i'm just saying that the argument that "oh, well other people have different criteria than you so you can't judge" is a lame argument that can easily be taken to stupid extremes.

i could just as easily have said something like "oh well, skrewdriver fans have their own criteria, only racist skinheads can truly judge its merit" but as we all know bringing up nazis is rather overdone and anyway i spent most of yesterday playing with my dog so it was on my mind.

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 17:15 (five years ago) Permalink

well, that's not true, i've looked at some of the typed-up lyrics and gone "UH"

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 17:17 (five years ago) Permalink

but that's not something i do only with female teenage rappers

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

nyt is really ahead of the curve this year

flopson, Sunday, 13 May 2012 17:22 (five years ago) Permalink

i mean i realize that i get your goat a lot lex so how about i just lean on other posters who don't to explain what i've been trying to get at

i still don't quite understand why understanding something's importance to "teen culture" and still thinking it's water-weak bullshit are incompatible ideas to hold at the same time.

ftr i have no real aesthetic or sociological opinion about tumblr rapper kitty pryde - strongo

and

It's right to say that teenpop (and other teen-made popular music) that succeeds does so on the basis of the same kind of criteria as anything else. It cannot be excused or dismissed on the basis that teenagers' brains are different - tim

and something deej said upthread about not overly romanticizing the mystical qualities of being a teenager

if you're curious tim, as far as teen-pop goes i'm not sure i like anything that only teens and particularly daring critics like so i don't really know what teen-pop means. as whiney astutely pointed out, teen-pop in america is as likely to mean screamo or glam metal as it does the r&b-type stuff that a lot of ilm posters are into. i really like lady gaga and destiny's child but i'm not sure those count, can't say i'm much into yr disney channel stuff like miley cyrus and selena gomez

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 17:30 (five years ago) Permalink

"so i don't really know" should be "and i don't really know"

as far as my trolling on this thread goes i think its an appropriate corrective to the "use big words" and "act really cerebral and condescending" strategy

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 17:33 (five years ago) Permalink

i'll admit that the genres i do like are dominated by serious dudes, but much like the field i work in (math and science education) i don't think women are under-represented in those fields because there's something about those fields that is intrinsically opposed to women

or to look at it another way, looking at a field where women are over-represented in higher education (national literatures), i don't think you can say it's because national literatures represent the interests of women more than science and engineering

i think that line of argument often gets pushed w/r/t music and i think it's dumb

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 17:46 (five years ago) Permalink

I simply don't buy that adults can't relate to the experience of being a teenager. Sure, a lot of them don't want to, but that's a different thing.

this is otm, and my approach itt has reflected the fact that i personally can't relate - along with my realization that what keeps me out is precisely the convincingly articulated teen-girl-ness that's so obviously KP's initial hook point as a tumblr-blip novelty act. the tone of voice, cadence, subject matter, attitude and language repel me not because they're "bad" (they aren't), but because they're irritating to me in same way that actual teenagers are. my initial response was outright dismissal: "what the fuck is this bullshit?"

after rejecting KP, i was brought up short by the "tommy cantwell" lines that johnny crunch posted (and the lyrics of "justin beiber" on rapgenius). they aren't brilliant by any means, but they're more clever and self-aware than i'd initially assumed. this realization didn't incline me to become a kitty pryde fan, but it did make me think about the fact that we often use the language of "quality" to describe cultural affinities and oppositions. this can seem to make sense when we and the artists in question seem to share cultural values, when the playing field is mutually understood, but it doesn't work anywhere near so well when the cultural gaps are large. rockism fails because not all music can or should be evaluated by a single set of standards.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 18:25 (five years ago) Permalink

i guess i'm more interested in saying how art does or doesn't work (and according to what standards) than in simply passing judgment: "this is shit" vs "this is great" or w/e.

We let fashion magazines run rap media & let fashion labels distribute rap LPs, then act shocked when skinny white girls are the hot new rappers

And caucasian women who CAN actually rap [youtube.com/watch?v=FxZbpb…] get NO ATTENTION because they don't look like American Apparel models

― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:21 PM (3 days ago)

i suspect that a lot of KP-hate arises from exactly this kind of thinking, from assumptions about the reasons behind her momentary small-pond "celebrity". i don't fault those assumptions, necessarily. it seems to me that whiney's making a valid point, even as he deliberately sidesteps the things that might be interesting about KP as an individual and an instance. note, however, that his criticism has little to do with KP herself. instead it focuses mostly how she's supposedly perceived by others.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 18:44 (five years ago) Permalink

if someone just started becoming famous literally less than a week ago then pulling up "statistics" that "prove" who their audience is or how big it is or will be is pretty ridiculous

― some dude, Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:01 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but isnt this exactly the problem, how she's becoming famous

at a certain tipping point, exposure = famous

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 18:58 (five years ago) Permalink

I have more followers than kittypryde, if anyone wants to interview me about subverting the dominant paradigm of hip hop my just hit me up via ilx mail

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 13 May 2012 19:00 (five years ago) Permalink

but isnt this exactly the problem, how she's becoming famous

at a certain tipping point, exposure = famous

― man down (D-40), Sunday, May 13, 2012 2:58 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

that has nothing to do with what my post was actually about, but sure ok

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 19:09 (five years ago) Permalink

well, i was saying that's why it makes sense to bring up 1600 twitter followers, im calling into question its newsworthiness

man down (D-40), Sunday, 13 May 2012 19:28 (five years ago) Permalink

whiney's assertion was that the statement of "this is by and for teenage girl culture" is negated by her having only 1600 followers and not more, i thought that was silly, you're on some other shit and i'm not interested, go on without me.

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 19:31 (five years ago) Permalink

i'd still think it was of and for teens even if no one but kitty pryde ever heard it. that's just my take though.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 19:37 (five years ago) Permalink

note, however, that his criticism has little to do with KP herself. instead it focuses mostly how she's supposedly perceived by others.

This is pretty much all Whiney ever does, at least on ILM (I don't read Spin - a magazine that puts Waka Flocka Flame on the cover is not courting me as a reader). I'm not even sure he's actually capable of listening to a record and forming his own opinions about it anymore, if he ever was; his obsession with zinging others for having the "wrong" opinions (especially when those others are pretty much demographically identical to him) has withered any critical faculties he might once have possessed.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 13 May 2012 19:37 (five years ago) Permalink

mc kitty barman

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 13 May 2012 19:43 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh, and full disclosure: I pitched Whiney a feature on Emmure; it was rejected. So fire away w/accusations of hypocrisy and/or bitterness if you wanna.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:11 (five years ago) Permalink

this contenderizer might be the police

The Reverend, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:17 (five years ago) Permalink

It?s a respect issue; growing up in Queens, NY you either have to kill or be killed. EMMURE have embraced this ideology and have grown stronger as a result. However, instead of taking out their aggressions in negative ways, they channeled their collective angst into their music to create a propulsive blend of unabashed aggression and intensity that the youth across the world embrace with open arms

big lols

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:18 (five years ago) Permalink

these guys look like half the shitty rap crews in seattle

The Reverend, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:20 (five years ago) Permalink

xps maybe its because you have horrible taste & opinions about music??

flopson, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:21 (five years ago) Permalink

You don't understand Emmure until you possess pure hate for that fucking cheating slut in your life.
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flopson, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:21 (five years ago) Permalink

manure

buzza, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:22 (five years ago) Permalink

haha, a band i can be glad not to understand!

The Reverend, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:23 (five years ago) Permalink

lol @ buzza

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:24 (five years ago) Permalink

I was going to post that this girl sounds like she's biting MC Paul Barman but it looks like much of the Internet beat me to that idea

President Keyes, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:27 (five years ago) Permalink

most white rappers who misunderstand rap as being purely about puns, rhymes and references can be compared to barman

contendo entertainment system (some dude), Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:29 (five years ago) Permalink

mc paul barman comparison is the only thing making me think twice about not listening to this

ogmor, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:47 (five years ago) Permalink

the video i saw today didn't offend me but i may not be aware of the depth of her hypecrimes

da croupier, Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:53 (five years ago) Permalink

her pronunciation is like barmans to me and thats all

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:54 (five years ago) Permalink

wonder if kitty pryde's friends w/ prince paul

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:55 (five years ago) Permalink

wonder what prince paul's up to these day's last I saw of him a few years ago he was a talking head on a vh1 clip show

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:55 (five years ago) Permalink

the prince paul and michael ian black show

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 13 May 2012 20:55 (five years ago) Permalink

(I don't read Spin - a magazine that puts Waka Flocka Flame on the cover is not courting me as a reader).

this is exactly why I don't want to engage with you about Kitty Pryde or any rap artist!

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Also, like '07 glory days ILX would have just called contenderizer a kid-toucher until he was shamed off the board and this thread would have ended 300 posts ago

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:22 (five years ago) Permalink

this is exactly why I don't want to engage with you about Kitty Pryde or any rap artist!

But isn't it kind of ridiculous to attempt to claim Kitty Pryde and Waka are points on the same line? Isn't it glaringly obvious that they're doing two entirely different things? And shouldn't what she's doing be judged on its own merits rather than in comparison to rap-as-what-your-average-largely-genre-ignorant-person-thinks-when-they-see-the-word-"rap" artists like Waka or whoever else? I mean, when I watch a rap video posted here or on the Awl or Stuff You Will Hate or the Voice's music blog (which I occasionally do), I find them lobotomizingly tedious, but that doesn't make me rate Kitty Pryde higher by comparison, because the very idea of comparing those two things is laughably absurd to me.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:31 (five years ago) Permalink

but if there was a rapper called mc kid toucher you'd be first in line to dl

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:33 (five years ago) Permalink

kurvy pryde

buzza, Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:35 (five years ago) Permalink

But isn't it kind of ridiculous to attempt to claim Kitty Pryde and Waka are points on the same line?

I mean, yeah, but they're rappers covered by rap blogs so \o_O/

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:39 (five years ago) Permalink

Also, like '07 glory days ILX would have just called contenderizer a kid-toucher until he was shamed off the board and this thread would have ended 300 posts ago

lol, i've been here at least that long. fire away.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:50 (five years ago) Permalink

don't forget it's mother's day guys!!

goole, Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:51 (five years ago) Permalink

lmaoooooo whiney

J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:51 (five years ago) Permalink

btw y'all are arguing about "kitty pryde" on a sunday in may

go outside

J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:52 (five years ago) Permalink

誤訳侮辱 has no time for waka flocks flame but is QUITE INTERESTED in all the hype surrounding kitty pryde

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:56 (five years ago) Permalink

誤訳侮辱 has no time for waka flocks flame but is QUITE INTERESTED in all the hype surrounding kitty pryde

This post, the one you are currently reading, is my sixth in a thread of something like 500 posts. Your bar for QUITE INTERESTED is pretty low.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 13 May 2012 22:09 (five years ago) Permalink

go outside

it's nice out! i got some veggie and shrimp skewers ready to go.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 22:33 (five years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I went out and talked shit with friends about music last night and missed this thread. Should've stayed home!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 May 2012 23:17 (five years ago) Permalink

You missed the thread and now the thread is over. Its sad, etc.

sleepingbag, Sunday, 13 May 2012 23:20 (five years ago) Permalink

but if there was a rapper called mc kid toucher you'd be first in line to dl

― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Sunday, May 13, 2012 4:33 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he goes by 'south park mexican'

man down (D-40), Monday, 14 May 2012 01:14 (five years ago) Permalink

I look forward to reading this thread again in De Capo next year.

Tim F, Monday, 14 May 2012 01:31 (five years ago) Permalink

I look forward to not listening to this gal's boring music again.

crüt, Monday, 14 May 2012 01:33 (five years ago) Permalink

i hope everyone who bumps this thread for whatever reason knows that they are soldiers in kitty pryde's hype-opticon

Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 01:46 (five years ago) Permalink

i thought the other ones were kinda lame but that one is pretty funny

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 01:53 (five years ago) Permalink

tumblr rapper kitty pryde

i still cant even

man down (D-40), Monday, 14 May 2012 02:01 (five years ago) Permalink

does that make her the first rapper who has almost definitely read and been influenced by your max b review on pitchfork?

contendo entertainment system (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 02:19 (five years ago) Permalink

put the stick down sd.

Tim F, Monday, 14 May 2012 02:20 (five years ago) Permalink

wheels inside wheels

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 14 May 2012 02:44 (five years ago) Permalink

brandon graham!

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 03:31 (five years ago) Permalink

^ <3

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 03:32 (five years ago) Permalink

great thread.

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:22 (five years ago) Permalink

And shouldn't what she's doing be judged on its own merits rather than in comparison to rap-as-what-your-average-largely-genre-ignorant-person-thinks-when-they-see-the-word-"rap" artists like Waka or whoever else?

i think everyone itt who is saying she sucks is judging her on her own merits.

sarahell, Monday, 14 May 2012 06:26 (five years ago) Permalink


riff raff collabo by the end of next week

― J0rdan, Diddy (tpp), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:39 (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


RiFF RaFF SODMG ‏ @RiFFRaFF_SODMG
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i absent-mindedly improvised a rap about the dinner i was cooking the other night and when i looked out onto the back porch riff raff was standing there setting up a microphone

― ✧✧✧✧✧✧@a✧✧.fore✧✧✧ (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 01:16 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

J0rdan, Diddy (tpp), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:32 (five years ago) Permalink

it's been a ride

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:36 (five years ago) Permalink

i love that some dude post so much

The Reverend, Monday, 14 May 2012 06:38 (five years ago) Permalink

since i dont know much abt x-men this is what i first thought of when i heard her name:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0rV88Ev-og

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 14 May 2012 06:53 (five years ago) Permalink

Based on the three YouTubes at the start of the thread, LOL@ the idea of people actually listening to this out of choice/LOL@ it being discussed in any way.

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 14 May 2012 07:01 (five years ago) Permalink

^sexism

Chris S, Monday, 14 May 2012 07:15 (five years ago) Permalink

Welcome to the ILX-men, Kitty Pryde.

Tim F, Monday, 14 May 2012 07:55 (five years ago) Permalink

delete this post and close the thread with that line

abcfsk, Monday, 14 May 2012 08:31 (five years ago) Permalink

that said, i recall your advocacy of the paris hilton album on ILM as the point that i started to not be on board w/ popism anymore and i really started to feel like supporting particular stuff just to make a populist critical statement was actually a thing, not that i'm saying i have proof that's what you were up to, but just that i started to suspect that this might be lurking just under the surface of the nylpm "everything is great!" stance.

but i have no idea why anyone would think people would like something just to prove a point, or be unable to see why people would take offence at that charge. there's tons of music i think obviously sucks but i don't go around accusing bob dylan or beatles fans of fronting, i just think they have shitty taste. in most of these discussions i read more words and arguments by fans of [paris hilton] or [kitty pryde] or whoever and to respond like you & others do "they're just pretending, this sucks because it sucks and i don't even need to explain why" is inadequate

nb i still love the paris hilton album. such a likeable record

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:03 (five years ago) Permalink

but you sort of do accuse them of fronting when you say "serious dude music", if i read you correctly you're accusing people of liking music for gravitas rather than on aesthetic grounds

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 15:14 (five years ago) Permalink

i like one song on paris hilton's album, I think it had stars in the title

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 15:15 (five years ago) Permalink

can't say i much care for the rest but i did watch both seasons of her mtv show and i think she's smart and funny though nicole ritchie runs laps around her in that category

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 15:17 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah! well you've also got "suicide" as merely "stupid pride", a somewhat hardline xtian sentiment which that indeed daring pantheism x astrology "gods are crazy / stars are blind" double whammy immediately vexes. and then yr everyday manichaean "be the devil and angel too" chaser. paris milton more like.

― rtccc (mwah), Sunday, 27 August 2006 01:17 (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:18 (five years ago) Permalink

i liked the assembly line Dr. Luke song from the Paris Hilton record that literally anybody could have sung exactly as well

contendo entertainment system (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:19 (five years ago) Permalink

got a lot of love for rtc (and you too lex, secretly) but not enough to get me on board

and yes, stars are blind

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 15:22 (five years ago) Permalink

haha the top 10 most popular search results for 'Paris Hilton' in Spotify are 50% songs by Paris, 50% songs with titles that reference her by Lil B, CSS, Vincent Gallo and Maybeshewill

contendo entertainment system (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:22 (five years ago) Permalink

tbh faking enthusiasm for something i'm not that into just to make a "point" seems like it would be a lot of work and effort. and i'm not sure anyone can tear into shit pop quite as harshly as true pop fans.

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:26 (five years ago) Permalink

how is it not a million times worse to suggest that someone likes a particular artist because they're a pedophile than because they're trying to make a political/cultural point?

Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 15:28 (five years ago) Permalink

tbh faking enthusiasm for something i'm not that into just to make a "point" seems like it would be a lot of work and effort

i think some people are genuine enthusiastic about challops

uh nobody i know though

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 15:34 (five years ago) Permalink

i have a personal policy of taking people at face value about their taste and not second-guessing their intentions, but some folks definitely do make that nearly impossible to stick to

contendo entertainment system (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:36 (five years ago) Permalink

it's bc we live in a Challopitalistic society

Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 15:36 (five years ago) Permalink

I am listening to Angel Haze today

dayo, Monday, 14 May 2012 15:38 (five years ago) Permalink

her new mixtape's great, as good as she is at the cosmic love stuff i wish she'd go harder more often though

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:40 (five years ago) Permalink

got 20 seconds into okay cupid before i had to turn it off. does any of it have delivery with any real oomph to it or is it all that lilting valley girl thing?

one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:43 (five years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 15:43 (five years ago) Permalink

got 20 seconds into okay cupid before i had to turn it off. does any of it have delivery with any real oomph to it or is it all that lilting valley girl thing?

it's all that lilting teenspeak thing. that's what keeps me from liking it, but it's also what keeps me from condemning it.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:21 (five years ago) Permalink

I am listening to Angel Haze today

― dayo, Monday, May 14, 2012 8:38 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

her new mixtape's great, as good as she is at the cosmic love stuff i wish she'd go harder more often though

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, May 14, 2012 8:40 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

distressing implication. i don't like the cosmic love stuff much. only songs i really dig on altered ego are the one's where she's in full, fire-breathing attack mode.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:23 (five years ago) Permalink

paris milton!

horseshoe, Monday, 14 May 2012 16:23 (five years ago) Permalink

rtc is great

horseshoe, Monday, 14 May 2012 16:24 (five years ago) Permalink

when i was in 9th or 10th grade some friends from school had a rap group called Bubble Up, four official members: MC Delta T (that name was some math equation or something), The Lyrical Miracle, and the Nicarguan Nightmare (he wasn't from nicaragua, the name came from this sketch on SNL where white people in a newsroom overpronounced spanish words like Nicaragua or Me-hee-coh or Doritos, they loved that sketch a lot)...

the "DJ" was a kid that played in a death metal band - DJ Dominator -- he was into Morbid Angel and Deicide, etc but he was the one who could kind of play keyboards and so he became the DJ...he just used preset beats and then played stuff over it...

they did a whole "album" (cassette), I can't remember all the songs, there was "Littabugs" (kind of based off of 100 Miles and Runnin' by NWA, it had the fake "police CB" banter between verses about how they were on the tail of some "hardcore littabugs" who were driving all over littering"....there was "Workin' At the Seed Farm" (Lyrical's dad owned seed farm where they grew seed corn for Dekalb I think, and 2 of them worked there)....and "Genocide on Wells" (Wells was a neighboring town and it was about killing the Wells mens tennis team - they all played tennis)...and "He's Gay" (diss track about a guy named Steve)....and "Bitch Patrol (feat. MC Peanut Gallery)"...(i dunno they basically just called ppl bitches)...and "Heist at the Easton Bank" (another crime one, but they were robbing a bank in this super tiny town of like 300 ppl)....

I did a guest verse on the posse cut "Rap Casserole" (My name was MC Escher)....my cameo was widely thought to have stolen the show....my money like was "I got money in the bank/I got girls on my dick/I got a lifetime subscription to Ranger Rick"....the beat was just DJ Dominator replaying the bassline to "Brick House" by the Commodores on a Casio keyboard....

anyway, I just remembered all this and I thought I'd write it out...this seemed like the best thread for it.

I'm really glad YouTube didn't exist then.

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:24 (five years ago) Permalink

oh there was another song called "Kickin' the Saffapants"...which was about wearing MC Hammer pants, they called those type of pants "Saffapants" because they misheard "dance how they want to dance, kick and then slap a friend" part from "Adamm's Groove" by MC Hammer as "Kickin' the saffapants" so they started calling MC Hammer pants that

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:26 (five years ago) Permalink

MC escher

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:27 (five years ago) Permalink

causin' pressure

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:28 (five years ago) Permalink

no one fresher

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:36 (five years ago) Permalink

the impossible sketcher

dayo, Monday, 14 May 2012 16:38 (five years ago) Permalink

with loops of pleasure

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:40 (five years ago) Permalink

m@tt you're telling me your DJ wasn't called "DJ Tanner" like the character from Full House? that's the only thing about the story i don't believe.

kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:40 (five years ago) Permalink

create lines you can't measure

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 16:44 (five years ago) Permalink

I knew there had to be some payoff for reading 476 posts about Kitty Pryde, and M@tt's story was it. A+, MC Escher!

Advanced Uncle Meat recovery system (Dan Peterson), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:47 (five years ago) Permalink

M@tt wasn't Bubble Up's big hit "Drawin' Blood"? Abt excessive jerking off?

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 14 May 2012 16:52 (five years ago) Permalink

i think some people are genuine enthusiastic about challops

yeah but this is enthusiasm about the doing of the challop rather than the holding of it, I think.

Tim F, Monday, 14 May 2012 16:57 (five years ago) Permalink

"Genocide on Wells" (Wells was a neighboring town and it was about killing the Wells mens tennis team - they all played tennis)...and "He's Gay" (diss track about a guy named Steve)

totally dying

goole, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:01 (five years ago) Permalink

M@tt wasn't Bubble Up's big hit "Drawin' Blood"? Abt excessive jerking off?

― chr1sb3singer, Monday, May 14, 2012 11:52 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh god yeah haha that was the shock rap one....bubble up enters a jerking off competition and pushes themselves past the uh limit:

"drawin' blood
no pain, no gain
takin' one for the team
goin' waaaay paaast cream"

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:06 (five years ago) Permalink

that reminds me of a thread i've been meaning to start

(uh not about beating off)

goole, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:08 (five years ago) Permalink

"Goin' way past cream" is a top ten song lyric ever

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:08 (five years ago) Permalink

they did a whole "album" (cassette)

Please mediafire this cassette album. Thanks.

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

im pretty enthusiastic about challops but it`s easier & more fun to challop irl than on ilx

flopson, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

sadly i think it's a lost album at this point

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

also it's probably better to read about than listen to - just like kitty pryde!

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

well, except that it's actually fun to read about

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:14 (five years ago) Permalink

raps that you composed for school or while young

goole, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

im pretty enthusiastic about challops but it`s easier & more fun to challop irl than on ilx

― flopson, Monday, May 14, 2012 1:11 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is kind of a truth bomb

dayo, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:32 (five years ago) Permalink

not sure i agree with that

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:35 (five years ago) Permalink

you can definitely present CHALLENGING OPINIONS as an entertaining and possibly edifying conversation-starter irl, whereas if you do it on ilx you just get shouted down or zinged from all sides, whether deservingly or not

kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:38 (five years ago) Permalink

you can definitely present CHALLENGING OPINIONS as an entertaining and possibly edifying conversation-starter irl

i think you can do that on ilx too, like especially if your name is dave q or whatever

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:42 (five years ago) Permalink

i admire & probably try to emulate the way characters in whit stillman movies challop, sort of fabulist or whimsical, but seductive. "you don't have to read a book to have an opinion" or the thing about clichés in the newest one. otoh i've probably done more than my share of, like, drunkenly defending early nickelback singles or something equally heinous

flopson, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:46 (five years ago) Permalink

i prefer literary criticism because then you get the author's point and the critic's point

Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:49 (five years ago) Permalink

well i'm talking about ilx in 2012. a dave q era thread probably resembles a small casual converstaion more than it resembles 'tumblr rapper kitty pryde.'

xpost

kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:50 (five years ago) Permalink

I actually went "ok, scarlet letter that dude, he reps for the Paris Hilton album" to the Lex in my mind back when but then one day I was getting my hair cut and there was some pretty chill dance stuff playing & I was getting into it & I asked Paul, Paul, what is this music, and he says "this is the Paris Hilton album, I love it," and my mind was forever blown so I called up PH and said "I am sorry for judging you" and we cried. True story

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:07 (five years ago) Permalink

that is a beautiful story ;_; *tears of joy*

the late great, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:09 (five years ago) Permalink

hahaha

The Reverend, Monday, 14 May 2012 19:47 (five years ago) Permalink

Always listen to Paul.

Tim F, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:33 (five years ago) Permalink

aerosmith can i have your friend Paris' phone number

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:51 (five years ago) Permalink

loathe my life for having nothing better to do on a monday night than read this whole thread

i didnt hate those kp choons, quite liked them in fact. ur lying to yourself if 'kathryn obvious' isnt some prime mf doom

idk sorry to be glib but a lot of this frowny rap fan rancour seems pretty uselessly antiquated, seems to me the cultural vocabulary has long bled past the point where if someone does a vaguely transverse move you can point at paul barman and case closed. and yeah that even does go as far as covering max b

i'm the same gen as most of you lot i imagine and all this makes me think of is like, arab strap and sofia coppolla film soundtracks and bleary sentimental whatever whatever. like haha remember that shitty french band the teenagers? death to indiedrome long live the new flesh

r|t|c, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:00 (five years ago) Permalink

Okay, late to the thread, but that Juicee Kouture track is lols a billion. Catchy, but so laughably bad at the same time.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:00 (five years ago) Permalink

oh yeah also if i see lex rep for my paris hilton post one more time i swear to god i will hang myself

r|t|c, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:07 (five years ago) Permalink

OMG yes this is totally Lost In Translation: the High School Years

Tim F, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:08 (five years ago) Permalink

Okay, late to the thread, but that Juicee Kouture track is lols a billion. Catchy, but so laughably bad at the same time.

look, I've never had a crush on a guy on an internet dating site and I've never worn gucci or fendi, but "that cracker might be the police" is actually some advice I can use

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:11 (five years ago) Permalink

OMG yes this is totally Lost In Translation: the High School Years

Had this same Sofia Coppola brain-bubble this morning and recalled all the shit she got for Marie Antoinette, a movie I think fucking rules.

誤訳侮辱, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:36 (five years ago) Permalink

okay, i'm glad i'm not alone in thinking this isn't the worst shit that ever happened to music

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:48 (five years ago) Permalink

it's not the worst thing that ever happened to music, and i don't think anyone itt has been that hyperbolic about it, but it's not good.

The Reverend, Monday, 14 May 2012 22:01 (five years ago) Permalink

that mysterious "good" thing again...

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:12 (five years ago) Permalink

ike haha remember that shitty french band the teenagers? death to indiedrome long live the new flesh

― r|t|c, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:00 (Yesterday) Permalink

wait why is this comparison supposed to be favorable 2 kp?

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:18 (five years ago) Permalink

like, i feel like we all ~know~ that the appeal is manic pixie dream girl already

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:19 (five years ago) Permalink

i think that's a really revealing thing to say tbh and maybe says a lot about how you are listening to this music

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:28 (five years ago) Permalink

to me, at least, it sounds like a precocious teenager talking about her experiences in an occasionally witty way. i don't find it offensive and it doesn't make me angry, which is why a lot of this thread is incomprehensible to me.

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:33 (five years ago) Permalink

you guys sound like dumb stoners imploring people to be open-minded

flopson, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:34 (five years ago) Permalink

well, i'm definitely at least one of those things

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:34 (five years ago) Permalink

sort of strawmanning to claim anybody is getting angry about her music

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:35 (five years ago) Permalink

you guys sound like dumb stoners imploring people to be open-minded

that, in turn, sounds like dumb attempt to silence people who disagree with you

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:35 (five years ago) Permalink

really? no one? i know u can scroll up as easily as i can and find a quick example. i'm pretty sure i c/p'ed one like ten posts or so up xp

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:36 (five years ago) Permalink

dude read your last post itt that is NOT a mischaracterization

flopson, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:37 (five years ago) Permalink

xp cont

flopson, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:37 (five years ago) Permalink

think people are more offended with vice and complex than with kitty pryde

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:37 (five years ago) Permalink

'dumb' was cruel coming from flopson but when you're right etc

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:38 (five years ago) Permalink

let's not hide between passive aggressive bullshit tho

like, i feel like we all ~know~ that the appeal is manic pixie dream girl already

what is being said here? that vice magazine gave coverage to this artist bc the editorial staff fantasized about being in a relationship with her?

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:41 (five years ago) Permalink

not actually, think it's more like that they like her persona, which i don't think is a particularly novel criticism of vice, i mean that's pretty much what people say about a lot of the celebrities that vice promotes (thinking terry richardson and dash snow for two)

anyway i scrolled up and the only thing you c/p'ed is whiney and its pretty clear whiney isn't so much complaining about kitty pryde as he is vice and complex

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:43 (five years ago) Permalink

sort of strawmanning to claim anybody is getting angry about her music

i think there's a kind of blunt insistence to some of the "this sucks" posting that reads not as angry, perhaps, but as weirdly and even belligerently intolerant. people are posting as though the complete suckyness of this music is a settled issue, as though it's flat-out impossible that any sensible person might disagree. no substantial critique of the music has been offered, and certainly none that engages with it on its own terms, just some swipes at the hype machine.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:44 (five years ago) Permalink

idk why i'd stand up for vice tbh, except that i'm sleepy. it's pretty much the worst magazine in the world

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:46 (five years ago) Permalink

that mysterious "good" thing again...

― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, May 14, 2012 6:12 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what in the

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:46 (five years ago) Permalink

no substantial defense of the music has been raised other than "teenage girls are actually like this persona though" and "here's some awful lines + some fan art of kitty pryde"

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:47 (five years ago) Permalink

dude read your last post itt that is NOT a mischaracterization

you don't have to respect it, but it was a serious (implied) question. how are you guys constructing "good" so as to categorically exclude this? what are the criteria? why are those criteria more valid than any other, or even interesting? what is the great sin of this music that causes it to be judged so horribly and completely bad?

if all anyone's saying is "i just don't like it", then fine. and if people want to object to it's cultural positioning and/or the way it's been hyped, that's fine too. but the latter isn't a critique of the music, and the former isn't a terribly compelling analysis.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:48 (five years ago) Permalink

it is some fucking level of paralysis-by-analysis when you have trouble saying that this music is not good

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:48 (five years ago) Permalink

and i don't understand what kind of "substantial critique" you'd be willing to accept when you've already claimed nobody here is qualified to hold an opinion of it because we're not teenage girls

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:49 (five years ago) Permalink

wait why is this comparison supposed to be favorable 2 kp?

― man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:18 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

the reference wasnt part of saying what her appeal is - i hadnt gone into that at all - the point of it was just to illustrate where i feel what appeal there is is even coming from in the first place. ie to break this chick's balls from the perspective of rap music is imo misguided and irrelevant

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:51 (five years ago) Permalink

no substantial defense of the music has been raised other than "teenage girls are actually like this persona though" and "here's some awful lines + some fan art of kitty pryde"

that's not true. i've explained what i think is interesting about KP's writing, vocal style and persona. others have done the same. no one's spent a great deal of time elaborating these arguments, but no one has spent any time engaging with them or offering any kind of criticism beyond "lol she sucks".

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:51 (five years ago) Permalink

rtc is like a coldblooded assasin of music snobbery & he called it "prime mf doom" (lol) & his single post itt in defence of this song is more valuable than your hundreds of posts handwringing about what is "good" and can we really say that this is "bad"

flopson, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:52 (five years ago) Permalink

this girl has the personality of a teenager's tumblr. Her music is a trail of references spoken in a lazy way over lame 'cloud rap' production, which is already a dishwater dull genre as is. there's really nothing to engage w/ here imo.

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:52 (five years ago) Permalink

ie to break this chick's balls from the perspective of rap music is imo misguided and irrelevant

― r|t|c, Monday, May 14, 2012 7:51 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think that the rap comparisons are less abt it failing on rap's terms & more why 'rap's terms' are such a detriment to high level coverage vs. 'tumblr twee terms'

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:53 (five years ago) Permalink

guess what NME praised the teenagers (french band) for ... if you guessed "self-aware" and "clever" you guessed right!

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:53 (five years ago) Permalink

it is some fucking level of paralysis-by-analysis when you have trouble saying that this music is not good

― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:48 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flopson, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:54 (five years ago) Permalink

afaict contenderizer your reasons for liking this music were

"smart & funny" ... "POV cuz it's relatable, cleverly articulated and not often represented in her genre"

also "the giggly shit and passivity probably read "real" to the people who are into it"

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:55 (five years ago) Permalink

"not often represented in her genre" = ... brings something fresh to the tired guns'n'hos cliches of the rap genre = surefire way to get people's goat on ilm

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:56 (five years ago) Permalink

late great, what's the end game here? you tear contenderizer's spine out through his throat and the words 'fatality' stream across the ilx screen in blood?

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:56 (five years ago) Permalink

that would be sweet

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:57 (five years ago) Permalink

can we make that happen?

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:58 (five years ago) Permalink

and i don't understand what kind of "substantial critique" you'd be willing to accept when you've already claimed nobody here is qualified to hold an opinion of it because we're not teenage girls

uh, i know you hate this, but that isn't exactly what i said. i said that i have trouble relating to KP's style and persona, personally, and that i suspect that this is largely a product of what she embodies/represents: this specific version of teenage girlhood. like, i'm repelled not by a lack of quality, but by cultural difference. i wonder whether other people are similarly repelled. i wonder whether adult male music nerds as a group might be poorly suited to "getting" this music (and, sure, i suspect that this is actually the case).

but i'm not saying that i won't accept other opinions. i'm interested in other opinions. i'm especially interested in other people's analysis. what i'm not particularly interested in are "thumbs up"/"thumbs down" type verdicts.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:58 (five years ago) Permalink

late great, what's the end game here? you tear contenderizer's spine out through his throat and the words 'fatality' stream across the ilx screen in blood?

― Mordy, Monday, May 14, 2012 8:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

contenderizer already proved he has no spine by stanning for kitty pryde

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:59 (five years ago) Permalink

(hold block) up up xxp

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:00 (five years ago) Permalink

here's my analysis: i don't really give a fuck what she's rapping about. she sounds like mc paul barman. i don't like mc paul barman.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:00 (five years ago) Permalink

this girl has the personality of a teenager's tumblr. Her music is a trail of references spoken in a lazy way over lame 'cloud rap' production, which is already a dishwater dull genre as is. there's really nothing to engage w/ here imo.

― man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:52 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah that is 100% otm except for the fact that this particular teen's tumblr is, for some, pretty engageable

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:00 (five years ago) Permalink

this girl has the personality of a teenager's tumblr. Her music is a trail of references spoken in a lazy way over lame 'cloud rap' production

what's wrong with "the personality of a teenager's tumblr"? it depends on the teenager, right? no group is intrinsically more or less interesting than any other. and lots of lyrics i like could be described as a "trail of references".

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:01 (five years ago) Permalink

contenderizer already proved he has no spine by stanning for kitty pryde

well, it seems to be the least popular position available here, so...

and i don't like her music much, ftr

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:02 (five years ago) Permalink

i think that the rap comparisons are less abt it failing on rap's terms & more why 'rap's terms' are such a detriment to high level coverage vs. 'tumblr twee terms'

― man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:53 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

oh man what is this just the weeknd thread again?

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:02 (five years ago) Permalink

cos if it is sarge better get his seinfeld gif out againt

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:03 (five years ago) Permalink

sometimes contenderizer i'll realize that i'm arguing about something i'm not actually so invested in, and i'll decide that considering my lack of investment in the work, the amount of effort i'm putting into defending it isn't worth it. at that point i find something else to do.

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:03 (five years ago) Permalink

no group is intrinsically more or less interesting than any other

and that's why this year's oscar goes to ... VEGGIE TALES!

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:04 (five years ago) Permalink

"not often represented in her genre" = ... brings something fresh to the tired guns'n'hos cliches of the rap genre = surefire way to get people's goat on ilm

then people need to step back, because that's an absurd projection. there are a great many voices that aren't often represented in every genre. that's fine, but it does tend to make voices that are less often represented seem somewhat novel, and there's nothing wrong with that, either.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:06 (five years ago) Permalink

sometimes contenderizer i'll realize that i'm arguing about something i'm not actually so invested in, and i'll decide that considering my lack of investment in the work, the amount of effort i'm putting into defending it isn't worth it. at that point i find something else to do.

shit, i might as well get it from all sides.

i'm interested in this discussion. i'm interested in the way this music relates to the culture at large. i'm interested in how people evaluate it and why. if that's not interest enough to justify my presence in this thread to you, then i don't know what to say.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:07 (five years ago) Permalink

like, i'm repelled not by a lack of quality, but by cultural difference

but she's not from a different culture! she's from the same culture as me! she has a supreme sticker on her laptop! i have like 20 supreme stickers! (in a drawer)

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:08 (five years ago) Permalink

comparing one work in one medium to a different whole medium is just useless. this song is like a BOOK! that's good! this song is like a TUMBLR! that's bad! if you're operating at the same level of discourse as dj khaled that just stfu and go make moooovieeeees

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:09 (five years ago) Permalink

tbh, i kinda think you'd get more mileage out of this by just saying she's interesting from an anthropological perspective and being done with the hair splitting xxp

also

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SfIXBSEROGI/AAAAAAAAAi4/SSFGF_CY4SA/s1600/malley+pryde.jpg

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:10 (five years ago) Permalink

tbh i have only really listened to 'ok cupid' but the only 'reference' i can remember from that track is frank ocean

max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:14 (five years ago) Permalink

pfft. i was reading kitty pryde comics when i was 10. my love is platonic. xp

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:15 (five years ago) Permalink

Kitty expressed a romantic interest in Colossus early into her time with the X-Men. This did not sit well with Marvel Comics' editor-in-chief at the time, Jim Shooter, who disapproved of the suggestion that a 19-year-old was sleeping with a 14-year-old girl.

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:15 (five years ago) Permalink

there was no suggestion iirc, she just had a crush on him?

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:16 (five years ago) Permalink

afaict contenderizer your reasons for liking this music were

"smart & funny" ... "POV cuz it's relatable, cleverly articulated and not often represented in her genre"

also "the giggly shit and passivity probably read "real" to the people who are into it"

yeah, exactly. i could expand on that, go into the way "justin bieber" starts out aggressively dumb-simple but then develops lyrical and rhythmic complexity, the way it flaunts but also sarcastically subverts its own dorkiness without ever denying it, the way her performances push back and forth between "i'm just goofing" and "i'm really doing this" to engaging effect, the specificity subtlety and authenticity of the POV she articulates. right? these are things we could talk about if we wanted.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:18 (five years ago) Permalink

well, really only you can talk about them since they're your opinions

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:22 (five years ago) Permalink

but she's not from a different culture! she's from the same culture as me! she has a supreme sticker on her laptop! i have like 20 supreme stickers! (in a drawer)

yeah, but you know what i mean. the cultural island inhabited by teenage girls (and especially by the specific aspects of teenage girlhood to which KP's devoting herself at this point) is not often "shared" with, deeply understood by or terribly well respected by adult men. that's a good thing, probably!

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:28 (five years ago) Permalink

man if everybody on this thread was in group therapy together instead of the internet then this thread would be a very intense phase in the group's growth because there is a lot going on here imo that has to do with self-identification thru music & "ownership" of genre etc & a lot of that shit runs super deep for a lot of people & especially for music dudes

and has less, it goes w/o saying, to do with an artist who literally everybody will have trouble remembering in 2014

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:29 (five years ago) Permalink

i kinda think you'd get more mileage out of this by just saying she's interesting from an anthropological perspective and being done with the hair splitting

yeah, okay, that's probably good advice

plus aero otm

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:30 (five years ago) Permalink

I dunno, I feel I understand where KP is coming from (even if it annoys me when she says "justin beiber really needs to call me though", perhaps because I'm not sure what the "though" is reacting to in what she's already said). I don't get the impression that any of the haters in the thread are objecting to the subject matter or the stance KP takes vis a vis her "culture" or whatevs. And if she chose not to rap in that matter and be more profesh I don't see how this would change the extent to which she is devoting herself to "specific aspects of teenage girlhood" (since as far as i'm aware neither MF Doom nor Paul Barman comprise specific aspects of teenage girlhood).

Most importantly the backing music is 100% designed for 20 something men. And is the "in" which makes this tumblr/fader worthy. I suspect a lot of haters ITT would like this more (or at least hate it less) if it was actually a stoner Daphne & Celeste rather than a stoner Daphne & Celeste as imagined by CloudDEAD.

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:34 (five years ago) Permalink

extraneous use of "though" is part of the teenspeak uptalking 'every sentence sounds like a question or refutation even if it isn't' thing iirc

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Her father, a lawyer, has been supportive, but somewhat protective, naturally. “He doesn't listen to my music at all. He likes Pearl Jam and shit,” she says.

LOL

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Like, I really don't see what makes this music the province of teenage girlhood as opposed to the music large numbers of teenage girls actually listen to like "Call Me Maybe" and "Boyfriend" and which, not coincidentally, heaps of ILXORS actually love.

Seems to me the much bigger aesthetic judgement factor at work is where you stand or fall on tumblr culture generally.

extraneous use of "though" is part of the teenspeak uptalking 'every sentence sounds like a question or refutation even if it isn't' thing iirc

yeah I meant to say I figured this but it tripped me up each time when listening.

Australians use "but" instead of "though".

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:40 (five years ago) Permalink

What is Lamp's opinion.

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:42 (five years ago) Permalink

all the talk about what "audience" KP's music is "for" is a little labored since a) she hasn't been known outside her immediate social circle yet for what, 5 days? and b) the people that have learned about her in that time are a bunch of fader/complex/blog readers, which i don't know the avg age/gender demographics but i'm guessing it skews a a bit older and more male

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:44 (five years ago) Permalink

i think that considering how much has been written abt the facile nature of tumblr it makes perfect sense as a pt of comparison despite the shifting medium

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:57 (five years ago) Permalink

but w/e, tim is right that my main problem is i find the kind of music shes involved w/ as facile when main attrakionz do it as when she does

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:58 (five years ago) Permalink

at least it took them longer to get to the NYT though

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Like, I really don't see what makes this music the province of teenage girlhood as opposed to the music large numbers of teenage girls actually listen to like "Call Me Maybe" and "Boyfriend" and which, not coincidentally, heaps of ILXORS actually love.

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk. that's thing one, the throw down, the challenge to adult sensibilities. it establishes who she is and where she's coming from in broad terms, and the ILX-beloved teenpop you're talking about doesn't usually go there.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:59 (five years ago) Permalink

i think that considering how much has been written abt the facile nature of tumblr it makes perfect sense as a pt of comparison despite the shifting medium

a lot's been written about the facile nature of pop, but that doesn't make calling something "pop" a particularly resonant criticism.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:00 (five years ago) Permalink

xps, idk this doesnt strike me as artificial as all that, p sure there's a general swathe of tumblr teengirls that do listen to cloudrap and suchlike that would naturally internalise the aesthetic

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:03 (five years ago) Permalink

has j-shep commented on this, just out of morbid interest

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:07 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah i mean maybe there IS a significant young female fanbase for complex-championed blog rap, i don't really know.

i mean it almost goes without saying that if this girl posted on ILM she'd be regarded by a lot of people itt as having really cool taste.

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:09 (five years ago) Permalink

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk. that's thing one, the throw down, the challenge to adult sensibilities. it establishes who she is and where she's coming from in broad terms, and the ILX-beloved teenpop you're talking about doesn't usually go there.

Has anyone complained about those things ITT though?

I mean yes, "OK Cupid" is very different from "Call Me Maybe" which is basically my point: I don't think you can just run together made-by-teenagers with made-for-teenagers and therefore assume that adults aren't the market here. The reasons people might like or dislike High School Musical and the reasons people might like or dislike a short film made for a school art project are likely to be very different. Typically, the first is made by adults to succeed with a kid audience, whereas the second is made by kids to succeed with an adult audience. And Kitty Pryde feels more like the second than the first for me.

If there is a general swathe of tumblr teengirls that do listen to cloudrap then it's hard not to conclude that they're likely to have much more in common with ILM posters as a general rule rather than less (xpost with some dude...)

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:18 (five years ago) Permalink

calling it all "complex-championed blog rap" is a bit whineyish looking through the wrong side of the telescope tho

like evan r says a lot of things but imo he was right to cast doubt on ilm's portrait of the weeknd as purely a crit conceit, the guy and the things he stands for are genuinely popular

of course you would require in this instance to have a more nuanced idea of "popularity" beyond chart-indie-pitchfork, and a looser definition of fanbase for that matter too probably

idk it's just some general middle class shit, paging lamp i'm going to bed already

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:25 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah sorry if that's a sloppy or misleading choice of words, i genuinely don't really know who is actually listening to or talking about Kitty Pryde right now besides Complex and Fader and people on ilx who are plugged in enough to that world to be annoyed that she's getting attention in it.

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:28 (five years ago) Permalink

i mean it almost goes without saying that if this girl posted on ILM she'd be regarded by a lot of people itt as having really cool taste.

if this girl posted to ilx she'd be laughing at everyone itt pro, con, or otherwise.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:41 (five years ago) Permalink

if she posted to ILX she'd post her youtube raps and ppl would prob say how good they were

♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:43 (five years ago) Permalink

damn i wish kitty pryde was an ilxor

♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:43 (five years ago) Permalink

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk. that's thing one, the throw down, the challenge to adult sensibilities

i hate to keep bringing this up over and over again but i deal with teenage girls every freaking day (it's my job) and i've even studied them in graduate school and this shit is not as particularly challenging as you make it sound. sometimes they say smart things and sometimes they don't, sometimes they say cool things and sometimes they don't and it's not too hard to look past the "uptalk" to figure it out - especially since as a san diegan i speak in uptalk too even though i'm old, male and serious (NOW WHAT?!?)

personally i think jessica sanchez is more interesting than kitty pryde

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:59 (five years ago) Permalink

if she was really cutting edge she'd substitute vocal fry for the uptalk

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:04 (five years ago) Permalink

Jshep tweeted about how white male crits crap on female artists but this was in the wake if andy hutchins tweeting the phone number to kp's retail gig, and she said shes not rlly into the song either

I dont question that this ish could end up w a big middlebrow fanbase but so could lots of things given that kind of exposure where everyone feels obliged to have an opinion cf the lana del rey thing

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:07 (five years ago) Permalink

andy hutchins tweeting the phone number to kp's retail gig

the fuck

goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:19 (five years ago) Permalink

who are these ghouls

goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:19 (five years ago) Permalink

who are these gooles

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:21 (five years ago) Permalink

one and only, bucko

goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:22 (five years ago) Permalink

Has anyone complained about those things ITT though?

[tim F asking about my description of her vocal manner] no, but no one has really broken down what it is they dislike her. the criticism has been mostly of the "lol she sucks" variety, intermixed with the suggestion that she's getting attention for the wrong reasons, that others deserve it more, etc. i'm only suggesting that her very typically US-teen-girl-style vocal approach might be part of what causes people to dismiss her.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:25 (five years ago) Permalink

uh, "...what it is they dislike about her."

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:26 (five years ago) Permalink

ery typically US-teen-girl-style vocal approach

i'm going to regret posting this but i have no idea what you mean here

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:28 (five years ago) Permalink

i hate to keep bringing this up over and over again but i deal with teenage girls every freaking day (it's my job) and i've even studied them in graduate school and this shit is not as particularly challenging as you make it sound. sometimes they say smart things and sometimes they don't, sometimes they say cool things and sometimes they don't and it's not too hard to look past the "uptalk" to figure it out - especially since as a san diegan i speak in uptalk too even though i'm old, male and serious (NOW WHAT?!?)

well, i'm not talking about you, for one thing. i assume every individual has his or her reasons.

if there were a bunch of female rappers working this particular vocal style and exploring these themes, and if there were a high level of acceptance for this approach among older male rap heads, then i would probably be less inclined to wonder how big a role these things played in the rejection of KP.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:32 (five years ago) Permalink

\O_o/

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:36 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm going to regret posting this but i have no idea what you mean here

went into it in a little more detail a few posts back: "the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk." add breathiness, a particular and deliberate sort of flatness, the cartoonishly childlike tone she momentarily affects on the "i'm thirteen, what is lean? what is dream pop" line, etc.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:37 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't know what makes that typical of us teen girls

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:39 (five years ago) Permalink

also just the straight-up sound of her voice. we can tell a lot about people just by listening to their voices: age and gender are obvious, and perhaps culture and where they call home (of course, we can be wrong about these things too). the sound of KPs voice, her basic tone and manner of speech convey something about her and her place in the world. we know she's not an old dude from latvia, for instance.

for the most part, she doesn't seem to be trying to "sound like a rapper". she's trying, if anything, to sound like an ordinary teenage white girl. that's not a common style in rap.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:45 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't know what makes that typical of us teen girls

well, the "voice" KP raps in is common among (and a specific signifier of) a particular segment of US teen girls. we know she's a young woman from the basic tone & timbre of her voice. we might reasonably suppose that she's an american teenager from her accent and vocal manners. we could probably deduce all that without even being able to understand english.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:49 (five years ago) Permalink

elementary, my dear watson

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:51 (five years ago) Permalink

it's a reasonable answer to the question. you don't have to snark at everything i say just on principle.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 04:35 (five years ago) Permalink

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♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 04:51 (five years ago) Permalink

that mysterious "good" thing again...

― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, May 14, 2012 3:12 PM Bookmark

dude stop fucking acting like people who don't like her are trying to make objective statements from on high and not just stating their subjective opinions

The Reverend, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 04:58 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm trying to prod people into explaining where they're coming from and what it is about her approach, specifically, that they think sucks so incredibly bad

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:01 (five years ago) Permalink

inert music plus a voice with zero charisma or range sleepwalking through a recitation of inanities

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:03 (five years ago) Permalink

see, and that wasnt even a real sentence let alone a graf

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:04 (five years ago) Permalink

we know she's not an old dude from latvia, for instance. x1000

you disagree? i wouldn't have said it if ppl hadn't challenged me on the specifically teen-girlish qualities of KP's voice & style.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:05 (five years ago) Permalink

http://sergiod.tripod.com/Socates.JPG

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:06 (five years ago) Permalink

god i love tripod image hosting

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:06 (five years ago) Permalink

see, and that wasnt even a real sentence let alone a graf

lol, i posted a similarly brief list of praiseworthy qualities about 3 miles back. the late great suggested that it might not be sufficient.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:06 (five years ago) Permalink

http://www.philipcoppens.com/socrates_1.jpg

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:07 (five years ago) Permalink

not sufficient ... for somebody who's accusing everyone else of not being specific enough

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:08 (five years ago) Permalink

also i hope you understand "sleepwalking through recitation of inanities" might carry more weight than "presenting a novel point of view", after all you like the beastie boys better than ICP

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:10 (five years ago) Permalink

Don't agree with 'sleepwalking', though - whether you consider it a pro or con the way she accentuates lines like "but like, i'm open minded and it's fine" she's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (her own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery even it just amounts to 'this is how I would say it IRL conversation'.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:14 (five years ago) Permalink

whenever i find myself posting on one of these threads multiple times i have a vision of my grandfather in a muddy ditch, with water in his boots, being shot at by nazis, defending western civilization, and then wondering why he bothered.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:16 (five years ago) Permalink

inert music plus a voice with zero charisma or range sleepwalking through a recitation of inanities

think we all agree she's working with scraps music-wise. i'm overlooking that for the moment, cuz i don't think she's a producer, and her resources are probably limited. just a guess...

"zero charisma": i don't know, but fair complaint. she's not setting my world on fire, either.

the "limited range" i see as a strength. she's in character, and the low-intensity style is part of it.

"recitation of inanities", is both otm and missing the way she uses these "inanities" to describe character, culture, time and place - a detailed and authentic portrait of a life largely composed of such things. nothing wrong with that, imo. it's as appropriate and potentially interesting as any other subject matter. again, i don't think it's great, but i'm surprised that so many find it so notably awful.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:20 (five years ago) Permalink

not sufficient ... for somebody who's accusing everyone else of not being specific enough

yeah, strongo slammed me for going on. i defended myself by saying you'd found my sketch of her strengths a little thin. that's just the facts.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:23 (five years ago) Permalink

contenderizer have you heard of uffie

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:30 (five years ago) Permalink

she's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (her own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery even it just amounts to 'this is how I would say it IRL conversation'

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:31 (five years ago) Permalink

trying to figure out how a musician could fail these two criteria

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:31 (five years ago) Permalink

http://www.nndb.com/people/490/000022424/charo-color-70.jpg

she's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (her own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery even it just amounts to 'this is how I would say it IRL conversation

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:35 (five years ago) Permalink

http://www.s9.com/images/portraits/30214_Tiny-Tim.jpg

he's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (his own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:36 (five years ago) Permalink

contenderizer have you heard of uffie

lol, someone was playing her on outloud the other night. hadn't thought of her in forever. there's a curtis vodka remix i liked for a second, mostly because of the way it just goes "curtis curtis vodka vodka" for like two minutes at the end.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:39 (five years ago) Permalink

you know every time i make fun of uffie or use her as a punch line i feel a little guilty because her husband fell through a skylight and died

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:45 (five years ago) Permalink

guilty lol

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:47 (five years ago) Permalink

actually i think he was her boyfriend

or maybe just her friend i don't know

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:48 (five years ago) Permalink

i did not know that

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Not sure Mehdi and Uffie were dating.

Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 07:40 (five years ago) Permalink

[tim F asking about my description of her vocal manner] no, but no one has really broken down what it is they dislike her. the criticism has been mostly of the "lol she sucks" variety, intermixed with the suggestion that she's getting attention for the wrong reasons, that others deserve it more, etc. i'm only suggesting that her very typically US-teen-girl-style vocal approach might be part of what causes people to dismiss her.

If for example you compare two artists and say "this artist is getting more hype because she's conventionally pretty but that artist is better", it doesn't mean you think that being conventionally pretty is a bad thing, it means you think that it's relevant to the creation and maintenance of uneven playing fields.

All that said I'm not really concerned about kitty pryde creating uneven playing fields - at least not while even the positive reception seems limited to "lol watch this".

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 09:18 (five years ago) Permalink

"Okay Cupid" <3<3

UnderControl, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 12:03 (five years ago) Permalink

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk." add breathiness, a particular and deliberate sort of flatness, the cartoonishly childlike tone she momentarily affects on the "i'm thirteen, what is lean? what is dream pop" line, etc.

85% chance this post was written while wearing a clown suit

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 12:15 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't know what makes that typical of us teen girls

― call all destroyer, Monday, May 14, 2012 11:39 PM (Yesterday)

I aggressively sniped at call all destroyer in a baseball thread once; I feel really bad now, finding out he's a teen girl.

clemenza, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 12:28 (five years ago) Permalink

In the same way I think sports talk radio and ESPN is way more popular than *actual* sports, I think that we're starting to see ”the market” (in a broad sense) start to cater to the internets endless need to talk about and blog about stuff

Like this, I mean it's clearly designed more to be talked about than listened to

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:50 (five years ago) Permalink

the internet has kind of become its own regional scene, surely i'm not the first person to say that (if not here)

i kinda think she's on to something tbh

goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:26 (five years ago) Permalink

If I like Uffie and Kreayshawn and Lady Sovereign, will I like Kitty Pryde?

Carrie Antwoord (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:32 (five years ago) Permalink

certainly improves your chances

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:39 (five years ago) Permalink

Jay, it's impossible to evaluate the quality of music so....

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:37 (five years ago) Permalink

If for example you compare two artists and say "this artist is getting more hype because she's conventionally pretty but that artist is better", it doesn't mean you think that being conventionally pretty is a bad thing, it means you think that it's relevant to the creation and maintenance of uneven playing fields.

― Tim F, Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:18 AM (8 hours ago)

sure, but if the criticism of an artist is limited to withering monosyllabic contempt, and her acclaim is being derided as a product of her appearance, it seems reasonable to at least question the relationship between the two.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

85% chance this post was written while wearing a clown suit

flattery will get you everywhere

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Seriously though, this is rockist and w/e but duck dunn and levon and mca passing kinda makes me realize how little time we all have on this planet and now that there is literally an infinite number of things you could pay attention to or think about, maybe the real fundamental battle of our time is trying to really focus and prioritize your attention....like I've never heard Brahms but I've posted several times in a thread about some semi clever 15yr old girl that raps on youtube

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:41 (five years ago) Permalink

you will open your eyes and scream. for a time there will be a procession of colored lights. then nothing.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:42 (five years ago) Permalink

*waits for brahmswave to hit*

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:44 (five years ago) Permalink

whiney was having an interesting (no really!) discussion on twitter abt this, tumblrwave type shit like this being as much about how much easier it is to be a 'journalist' when all you have to do is go thru someone's online presence & report on what you found there instead of, say, being paid to fly down to louisiana and cover the lil boosie trial

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:48 (five years ago) Permalink

that is unfortunately still some narcissism of small differences bullshit, like i guess if you fly down to LA to cover a lil boosie trial you might feel superior to someone surfing myspace in their underwear but neither of you are doing particularly difficult or commendable works of 'journalism.'

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:51 (five years ago) Permalink

well, no, that's not true at all

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:52 (five years ago) Permalink

anyone got a livestream of the lil boosie trial

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:53 (five years ago) Permalink

it is kind of fun to see the world's foremost youtube rap critic act like tumblr rap crit is a 100% different and 100% worse pursuit

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:59 (five years ago) Permalink

well, that's bullshit al

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:00 (five years ago) Permalink

thats a really unfair characterization of the work i do buddy

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:00 (five years ago) Permalink

i mean i get that your entire purpose on this thread at this pt is to troll me but come on, fight the real enemy

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:01 (five years ago) Permalink

sometimes i get confused about who the real enemy is

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:01 (five years ago) Permalink

i'll go on the cross for deej on this one

regardless of how much importance you give to local rap music, deej has gone out and interviewed and reported pretty long and involved features on important rappers in his city... doing work not many people knew to do or wanted to do. so yeah, that was a pretty bullshit remark coming from a dude writing an entire book on local rap.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:03 (five years ago) Permalink

which of you rap crits is which avenger

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:04 (five years ago) Permalink

nah listen deej does a lot of real research, but he also uses the shit out of a popular internet portal, we all do. i'm just beating him with the same stupid stick he's beating other strawcritics with.

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:05 (five years ago) Permalink

pretty flimsy, bruh

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:06 (five years ago) Permalink

well i mean, not to keep drawing out the obvious comparison, but a year ago deej saw kreayshawn's youtube, and blogged about it and interviewed her as quickly as possible. this year a bunch of other people are doing the same thing w/ KP, and other than firsties and song quality i don't feel like there's a world of difference there.

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:08 (five years ago) Permalink

p sure deej is captain america and whiney is the hulk

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:08 (five years ago) Permalink

how can captain america be an avenger and have no discernible personality

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:11 (five years ago) Permalink

he gets twitchy when you mess with his idealistic values

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:15 (five years ago) Permalink

fwiw this is def one of the worst songs i've ever heard

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:28 (five years ago) Permalink

just another male critic crapping on a teenage girl

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:43 (five years ago) Permalink

can't wait to see the google traffic from that post

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:43 (five years ago) Permalink

Idk al I think theres a diff between me interviewing an artist who did a song I like for a personal website vs an nyt article

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:47 (five years ago) Permalink

whiney was having an interesting (no really!) discussion on twitter abt this, tumblrwave type shit like this being as much about how much easier it is to be a 'journalist' when all you have to do is go thru someone's online presence & report on what you found there instead of, say, being paid to fly down to louisiana and cover the lil boosie trial

the thing is, I agree with you, and strongly actually, but one should be on guard against putting too much value on these distinctions imo. "the harder get-your-hands-dirty work that the current generation doesn't have to do" sort of stance is a p. bad look that'll glide quietly but perniciously into old-manism if you're not super-cautious about it </unsolicitedolddudeadvice>

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:56 (five years ago) Permalink

by the way this music sounds awful and none of you should be paying any attention to it there is way better stuff to listen to rap is awesome listen to good rap music and not this stuff lol

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:57 (five years ago) Permalink

i totally agree with deej w/r/t kitty pryde's coverage. right now she deserves, at best, a small introductory box-out (in big-deal outlets like the NYT). not a fucking huge thinkpiece. i don't think that's symptomatic of kitty pryde specifically so much as music critics yet again being dumb suckers for gimmicks and novelty and stuff, esp in hip-hop and r&b, that deviates from the still-despised norm.

idk who actually wrote the thinkpiece but i probably feel vaguely contemptuous towards them - this is not a thing i would have dreamed of pitching and y'know what i'm proud of that - but i blame the editor way way more.

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:25 (five years ago) Permalink

the times piece is not "fucking huge," also only like a third of it is really about kitty pryde

max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:28 (five years ago) Permalink

the piece is *actually* about karmin

max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:29 (five years ago) Permalink

but yeah AS I HAVE SAID ALREADY caramanica being employed at the new york times throws off the hype cycle, he should be fired

max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:29 (five years ago) Permalink

oh i got the impression from the hand-wringing it was huge

you didn't think i'd read it did you?

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:29 (five years ago) Permalink

OMG lol it was caramanica? the dude who pitched and was commissioned and wrote the pitchfork reviews reviews piece? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL what a disgrace to everything he is

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:30 (five years ago) Permalink

i like caramanica but then again i like, sort of, PRR, so

max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:31 (five years ago) Permalink

i also like 'ok cupid'

max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:32 (five years ago) Permalink

max, it was still 300 words in the NYT. most of those words aren't very good or informative, but still, that's a decent amount of exposure in the paper of record

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:32 (five years ago) Permalink

i like caramanica but then again i like, sort of, PRR

i could never zing him as effectively as this

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:32 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm sort of nostalgic for the old days of this thread, when everyone was on fire with the passionate fragrance of youth

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:36 (five years ago) Permalink

300 words in the NYT vs 700 posts on ILM

♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:40 (five years ago) Permalink

ilx raison d'être is to discuss inane shit tho

well, maybe the NYT's too

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:42 (five years ago) Permalink

Idk al I think theres a diff between me interviewing an artist who did a song I like for a personal website vs an nyt article

― man down (D-40), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:47 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i didn't realize the caramanica nyt thing was being held up as the main crime instead of however many other lower level outlets have also been covering nyt. so the problem is kreayshawn took x months to get thinkpieces in a bunch of big papers where KP took x days? things are moving faster all the time, my friend.

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:24 (five years ago) Permalink

'have also been covering KP,' i meant to say

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:24 (five years ago) Permalink

when KP racks up 30mill views lmk

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:50 (five years ago) Permalink

or even gets played on radio

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:51 (five years ago) Permalink


she's a sucker but she pulls it off. this song is a jealous number. you made it for me, which is a nice gesture sweetheart. you do look like an angel. and anything you say could break an eardrum, and guess what i blasted it and shattered it and blew it back in your face like sand from a looking glass in a way that looks like i blew a kiss. she knows how to deal a low blow, but can't hack it with the cards she doesn't stack. you should all ask yourselves how she knows me. she is still bitter
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cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:06 (five years ago) Permalink

when KP racks up 30mill views lmk

175k views in 6 days on "OK Cupid" btw fwiw. It has been weird to me for over 20 years now how rap fans dwell on how popular something is or isn't, completely do not get that at all - who gives a shit imo - I mean, I know, as an indie fucker I would say that, but seriously how is anybody whose wallet isn't directly affected by sales even remotely interested in YouTube views or not? whether something is worth discussing or not is proven or disproven by whether people have discussions about it, heavy qed shit here, if the Times publishes a story on something people don't actually care about (which happens all the time) it doesn't miraculously enter the people-are-talking cycle, it just goes away

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:11 (five years ago) Permalink

really i think everyone's entitled to make fun of 4th rate white girl rappers and the bloggers who hype them up, but the guy who hyped up a 3rd rate white girl rapper has to take his lumps before he can act all high and mighty

kitty shayme (some dude), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:14 (five years ago) Permalink

dag

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:48 (five years ago) Permalink

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^ my cat's feelings about tumblr rapper kitty pryde

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:13 (five years ago) Permalink

really i think everyone's entitled to make fun of 4th rate white girl rappers and the bloggers who hype them up, but the guy who hyped up a 3rd rate white girl rapper has to take his lumps before he can act all high and mighty

― kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

suggesting kreayshawn is only one 'rate' above kitty pryde is nagl. gucci gucci was a dope song & it appealed to ppl who like just u know pop music. to me, the shit that makes kitty pryde 'notable' is pretty boring & in no way newsworthy.

im not suggesting something has to be popular for me to like it, but im tired of 'appealing to a certain crowd of post collegiate 20somethings looking for ''innovation'' narrowly defined in cloud rap / chillwave terms' as being such a driving cultural force & am more interested in hearing stories about ppl who aren't so over-covered as is

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:31 (five years ago) Permalink

does that mean kitty pryde is 5th rate

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:33 (five years ago) Permalink

jesus christ, al.

♆ (gr8080), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:35 (five years ago) Permalink

idg what i did wrong interviewing for my own website an artist who made a song i thought was dope. 'hyping up,' seriously?

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:43 (five years ago) Permalink

hierarchy of white girl rappers

karmin < kitty pryde < kreayshawn < kesha

hey what's with all the k's?!?!?!

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:49 (five years ago) Permalink

k flay

:-O

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:49 (five years ago) Permalink

K K K

:-O

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:49 (five years ago) Permalink

i guess i'll never understand you dudes since i basically use ILX to distract me from my day job, not endlessly discuss it

♆ (gr8080), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:51 (five years ago) Permalink

kyriarchy

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:52 (five years ago) Permalink

A+

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:16 (five years ago) Permalink

can we sell this thread as a thinkpiece

abcfsk, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:17 (five years ago) Permalink

actually in the process of writing a piece for Noisey on her. LOL!

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 08:06 (five years ago) Permalink

suggesting kreayshawn is only one 'rate' above kitty pryde is nagl. gucci gucci was a dope song & it appealed to ppl who like just u know pop music. to me, the shit that makes kitty pryde 'notable' is pretty boring & in no way newsworthy.

im not suggesting something has to be popular for me to like it, but im tired of 'appealing to a certain crowd of post collegiate 20somethings looking for ''innovation'' narrowly defined in cloud rap / chillwave terms' as being such a driving cultural force & am more interested in hearing stories about ppl who aren't so over-covered as is

― man down (D-40), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:31 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

i totally share your basic philosophy here, to be clear, i'm just going hard on you because, y'know, that's what they call me, ol' "ship1ey gohard."

i think you are kind of throwing things on different sides of the fence whenever it suits you, though. one day kitty pryde is owl city and we should just let her be popular without talking about her, the next she's just a niche internerd thing. one day kitty pryde's problem is she appeals to people who don't really like rap, the next day kreayshawn's virtue is that she appeals to people who like pop.

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:35 (five years ago) Permalink

agree

r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:03 (five years ago) Permalink

also i hope you realize '[having a negative opinion of kreayshawn] is nagl' is basically the language of the worst kind of comments box stan who is always SO EMBARRASSED FOR YOU that you're not backing the winning team and are about to be proven SO WRONG

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:08 (five years ago) Permalink

hey what's with all the k's?!?!?!

maybe ask juicee Kouture

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:58 (five years ago) Permalink

it's a konspiracy

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:58 (five years ago) Permalink

i always thought it was weird how lil "kim" spells her name with a k

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:01 (five years ago) Permalink

jeez dudes settle down

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:24 (five years ago) Permalink

maybe i'm not in very good control of my tone itt because in my mind i'm gently elbowing deej in the ribs and everyone keeps acting like i punched him in the gut

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:32 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah i dunno, you guys seem to beef so easily! especially for 2 ppl that have, in the larger scheme of things, such similar tastes!

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:34 (five years ago) Permalink

deej, like lex, often defends his taste so badly it almost makes me wish i didn't like so many of the same things

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:36 (five years ago) Permalink

"beef so easily" sounds like off-brand hamburger helper

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:36 (five years ago) Permalink

hahaha

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:37 (five years ago) Permalink

beef gohard

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:45 (five years ago) Permalink

well now fluxblog has weighed in

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:58 (five years ago) Permalink

at how much?

Carrie Antwoord (jaymc), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:02 (five years ago) Permalink

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:44 (five years ago) Permalink

i totally share your basic philosophy here, to be clear, i'm just going hard on you because, y'know, that's what they call me, ol' "ship1ey gohard."

i think you are kind of throwing things on different sides of the fence whenever it suits you, though. one day kitty pryde is owl city and we should just let her be popular without talking about her, the next she's just a niche internerd thing. one day kitty pryde's problem is she appeals to people who don't really like rap, the next day kreayshawn's virtue is that she appeals to people who like pop.

― some dude, Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:35 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, isnt fundamentally this whats weird about the press around it is that its like jumping on an owl city for being excellent when in pt of fact owl city is lame & critically ignored, which i am fine with, but in this case theres this veneer of confusing respectability

kreayshawn's virtue is that she appeals to people who like pop & people who like rap, shes a pop-rap artist, kitty pryde is neither of those things

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:47 (five years ago) Permalink

(but even if kitty pryde were popular, which is still possible, its not worth discussing anyway)

nb all i'm asking for is critical discourse that ignores her, i recognize this isn't actually a tenable position when there ppl out there writing about her that inexplicably like her for some reason

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:48 (five years ago) Permalink

nothing about this is like owl city in any way, let's drop that analogy

abcfsk, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:49 (five years ago) Permalink

who are these rap heads that are into kreayshawn, besides you and j0rdan

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:50 (five years ago) Permalink

nothing like posting over and over again on an artist's thread to make sure that the critical discourse ignores them

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:05 (five years ago) Permalink

lol seriously

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:06 (five years ago) Permalink

lots of chicks who dig rap like "gucci gucci" ime

The Reverend, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

like tumblr rapper kitty pryde, for one

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:13 (five years ago) Permalink

the kreayshawn bit on the 2 Chains song is really awful.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:14 (five years ago) Permalink

has she dropped any guest verse that wasn't?

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:16 (five years ago) Permalink

that was the first one I'd heard.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah same here, i'm just wondering if she's even had any other chances to shit the bed for 16 bars yet

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:22 (five years ago) Permalink

well, lil wayne liked it enough to do his own version of it

it got radio play nationally

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:19 (five years ago) Permalink

on rap radio, i mean

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:20 (five years ago) Permalink

"Right after I landed in LAX, I ran into my ex and he looked a little vexed. I said 'Is there a problem?' 'Yes. California hates you bitch why would you bother?' I just came for the fries with the carne asada, and to prove I can go a lot harder than Gucci Gucci Louis Louis Fendi Fendi Prada."

That Kreayshawn shout-out is telling, because Kitty Pryde is basically the much sharper, self-aware, suburban high school version of Kreayshawn.

“I don't think I'm following in her footsteps or anything, but the same kind of thing is happening, like 'Oh she's cute, this makes me laugh. It's not good, but it's funny.' You send the link to your friends, and then it's a big joke. Which is good, that's what I wanted. But I want people to laugh with me, not laugh at me.”

r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:52 (five years ago) Permalink

its easier to be self aware about something that has already happened

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:04 (five years ago) Permalink

i think the point is that KP is more self-aware in general, not just aware of kreayshawn. i think i agree, in that KP seems to be framing herself in her narratives, looking at the persona she creates from the outside and laughing at it. there's a self-mocking tone to the whole thing.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:10 (five years ago) Permalink

'self awareness' is exactly whats gross about this, tho, its based on weird insecurity of dealing w/ rap as a white girl rather than just ~being herself~ & competing on a level playing field w/ others

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:17 (five years ago) Permalink

its based on weird insecurity of dealing w/ rap as a white girl rather than just ~being herself~ & competing on a level playing field w/ others

Yeah, because rap critics are all about judging white teenage girl rappers by the same objective criteria they'd judge teenaged black male rappers. It's her insecurity that's creating the context here. OK.

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:20 (five years ago) Permalink

i hate on black male rappers all the time too! what are you even talking about?

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:27 (five years ago) Permalink

that sounds bad out of context probably. i hate on rappers of ~any color~ all the time. white rappers have to deal w the added fact of being outsiders to a culture, certainly, but there are ways to do that that arent gross

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:27 (five years ago) Permalink

i like kreay's lack of self consciousness about it, like, she just wanted to compete w/ other rappers period rather than emphasizing her difference so that ppl can say stuff like, oh shes part of 'internet tumblr culture' so why would she be compared to rapper?

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:29 (five years ago) Permalink

rapperS

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:29 (five years ago) Permalink

that's all well and good, but self-consciousness is a legit and honest-seeming part of the persona that KP is projecting. a lot of teenagers do feel self-conscious abt their place in the world, and the fact that she works from within that gives her voice a lot of its authenticity. she's not putting on a rapper style. she's just being herself, insecurities and all.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:33 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't care if a girl rapper is black, green, purple, blue, white or orange

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:35 (five years ago) Permalink

as long as she brings a new perspective to rap music and is ironically self-aware of her persona i will go to bat for her on ilx

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:36 (five years ago) Permalink

that's all well and good, but self-consciousness is a legit and honest-seeming part of the persona that KP is projecting. a lot of teenagers do feel self-conscious abt their place in the world, and the fact that she works from within that gives her voice a lot of its authenticity. she's not putting on a rapper style. she's just being herself, insecurities and all.

― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

& this is why putting 'teenagers' on a weird pedestal is weird, b/c they often have dumb, even if honest, ideas about life

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:36 (five years ago) Permalink

fair enough. i'm not obsessed with teen-ness, but i do have a fondness for the in-situ bildungsroman that the late great was snarking at upthread.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:41 (five years ago) Permalink

and pop is heavily paved with dumb ideas about life, honest or not

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:42 (five years ago) Permalink

so is the road to hell

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:50 (five years ago) Permalink

so good art only expresses noble/intelligent/productive ideas now, it can't reflect other things?

Chris S, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:56 (five years ago) Permalink

exactly, i like the first couple beastie boys albums largely because they're so full of dumb ideas

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:01 (five years ago) Permalink

'self awareness' is exactly whats gross about this, tho, its based on weird insecurity of dealing w/ rap as a white girl rather than just ~being herself~ & competing on a level playing field w/ others

a suburban-seeming middle class white girl being insecure about an identity as rapper -- wow, that is just so weird!

sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:05 (five years ago) Permalink

kitty pryde vs childish gambino

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:06 (five years ago) Permalink

^hell fyi

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:06 (five years ago) Permalink

so good art only expresses noble/intelligent/productive ideas now, it can't reflect other things?

― Chris S

apollonian ideal get into it

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:11 (five years ago) Permalink

backlash agianst dionysus begins HERE

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:11 (five years ago) Permalink

:)

Chris S, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:16 (five years ago) Permalink

http://bestof.provocateuse.com/images/photos/jamie_bamber_97@.jpg

could def get into this apollonian ideal

sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:24 (five years ago) Permalink

the beastie boys dont seem self conscious at all

man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:26 (five years ago) Permalink

no, they have different dumb ideas (most involving beer and hooahs)

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:30 (five years ago) Permalink

you sure you're not confusing apollo and adonis?

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:31 (five years ago) Permalink

xxp

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:32 (five years ago) Permalink

sorry for nerd lolz - that's a pic of "Apollo" from Battlestar Galactica

sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:33 (five years ago) Permalink

lol, i've never seen BG, but i figured due to ruggedized bunk beds (suitable for spacefaring)

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:35 (five years ago) Permalink

kitty pryde vs childish gambino

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:06 PM Bookmark

kitty pryde

The Reverend, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:48 (five years ago) Permalink

a suburban-seeming middle class white girl being insecure about an identity as rapper -- wow, that is just so weird!

lol

Deej otm imho

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:56 (five years ago) Permalink

dunno if I count as a "hip hop head" but Kreayshawn's one hit was way better than these three that's for damn sure

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:56 (five years ago) Permalink

agreed

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:57 (five years ago) Permalink

Both Kreayshawn and Kitty Pryde get a hype-bounce from their points of difference vis a vis other rap but I don't think you can conflate those points of difference.

I think where Deej's distinction holds true - and leaving aside what one thinks about the quality of the music in question - is that writing about kitty pryde already has - and I suspect nearly always will - slide into writing about tumblr culture etc. etc. whereas while Kreayshawn has profited from the same dynamics a writer trying to present her music as being about those dynamics would struggle to do so credibly.

We need to distinguish between internet culture as facilitating content and internet culture as the subject of content: at this point even the most scare-quote "real" scenes disseminate a lot of new material - and hence new developments - through youtube et. al. but this doesn't make all of them the same. Of course these things are heavily intertwined, but we can at least talk in terms of degrees.

Whiney's hypothetical lazy writer scanning the web for content to talk up isn't lazy because he's scanning the web - at this point I think we all do that. What might make him lazy is the extent to which his writing simply becomes a kind of recitation of the process of absorbing content and what that content seems to express at its surface level. I am wary of over-celebrating a traditional "work the beat" ethic in journalism because it can easily end up being just as lazy, but I would at least concede that the internet makes it possible to be lazier than ever before, at a critical rather than physical level.

None of this is kitty pryde's fault but at the same time her music seems to invite that reaction. Again, I think an enormous part of this is down to the backing music which positions her much more than the use of teengirl speak does.

Tim F, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:23 (five years ago) Permalink

I think an enormous part of this is down to the backing music which positions her much more than the use of teengirl speak does.

yes!

sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:32 (five years ago) Permalink

Like, I've hardly been incensed by contenderizer wanting to defend this stuff b/c I suspect I feel about the same level of not-really-sure-what-I-think ambivalence, but I instinctively reject the idea that kitty pryde turns people off b/c she is alien - when it's clear that kp has already considered and decided to target adult audiences looking for yet another form of pop culture as distancing ironic-yet-sincere celebration of youth. The upshot of her being self-aware (and, I suspect, just plain smart) is that the music itself does all the "framing" heavy lifting so that writers don't have to.

Congratulations to her, really. OTOH I think ILX is unusual in that a lot of the antipathy towards artists stems from the presentiment of how much bad writing it is likely to inspire.

Tim F, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:34 (five years ago) Permalink

target adult audiences looking for yet another form of pop culture as distancing ironic-yet-sincere celebration of youth

I am not in this target market

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:35 (five years ago) Permalink

is this like 30-something dudes that watch that Lena Dunham show?

sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:38 (five years ago) Permalink

tim i've never seen you incensed on ilm, your sang froid in the face of bs is legendary

the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:39 (five years ago) Permalink

OTOH I think ILX is unusual in that a lot of the antipathy towards artists stems from the presentiment of how much bad writing it is likely to inspire.

haha, so otm

flopson, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:42 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah, i think i'm sort of outside the bubble wr2 the reactions tim is talking about, mostly because i don't have any strong response to the way the backing tracks position KP's rapping. i have no positive or negative opinions on "cloud rap" (or w/e) and its appeal to hipsters. i think of the tracks as sort of second rate, but a good general choice of foils for KP's voice and persona.

in defending her, i'm only talking about her voice, style and lyrics.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:43 (five years ago) Permalink

how do you separate her "style" from her choice of backing tracks?

sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:44 (five years ago) Permalink

is this like 30-something dudes that watch that Lena Dunham show?

hey, i'm 40-something, and i watch that show. only cuz my gf does, though. i mean, i saw every single episode of sex and the city, too, but not by choice.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:44 (five years ago) Permalink

riiiiiiiiiight!

sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:45 (five years ago) Permalink

how do you separate her "style" from her choice of backing tracks?

her style as a rapper/vocalist/whatever. the music is so blah that i don't care about it one way or the other. afaic, it's just a frame that exists around her voice & lyrics.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:45 (five years ago) Permalink

sarahell, i would be very interested in hearing more about the link between kitty pryde + lena dunham

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:46 (five years ago) Permalink

riiiiiiiiiight!

won't deny that i wound up getting into both shows. i'm an easy sell (as this thread conclusively proves).

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:46 (five years ago) Permalink

As a Girls watcher who turned 30 this week, I'd say "yes" with caveats: both seem to get a lot of their sense of momentum from an audience mindset already primed to be fascinated with both the traumas and the dialects of youth.

The difference is that Girls by virtue of being a fully-fledged TV show with characters and plot-lines etc. is in a position to prompt good writing as well as bad.

Articles about KP at this point are kind of like articles on Girls (positive or negative) based solely on HBO's teaser trailer of a few months back.

I am part of the target market btw.

Tim F, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:47 (five years ago) Permalink

shows i watch atm:

girls
game of thrones
mad men
adventure time

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:47 (five years ago) Permalink

Mordy - the only link in my mind was Tim's phrase "target adult audiences looking for yet another form of pop culture as distancing ironic-yet-sincere celebration of youth," and the fact that contenderizer seems to post a lot in that thread, as well as a conversation i had a while back with an irl non-ilx friend who was talking about how he should watch that show after expressing concerns about aging and cultural relevance.

sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:49 (five years ago) Permalink

To be clear I don't have a problem with "yet another form of pop culture as distancing ironic-yet-sincere celebration of youth", but the excitement with which each new example is greeted tends to invite condescending willy wonka meme pictures.

Tim F, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:51 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh good, America has its own Die Antwoord now.

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:56 (five years ago) Permalink

the only link in my mind was Tim's phrase "target adult audiences looking for yet another form of pop culture as distancing ironic-yet-sincere celebration of youth," and the fact that contenderizer seems to post a lot in that thread

makes more sense to triangulate my posting re: girls, KP and LDR as a combo of marc loi and "i am interested in the discourse"

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:57 (five years ago) Permalink

tim i've never seen you incensed on ilm, your sang froid in the face of bs is legendary

― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:39 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, you know, arguments on the internet.

Tim F, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:58 (five years ago) Permalink

that Lena Dunham show

♆ (gr8080), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:44 (five years ago) Permalink

i guess there was that time you got incensed at me for trying to talk about doc daneeka and other hipster funky on the tropical 2 thread

the late great, Thursday, 17 May 2012 01:00 (five years ago) Permalink

furious.

Tim F, Thursday, 17 May 2012 01:16 (five years ago) Permalink

800 posts

♆ (gr8080), Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:57 (five years ago) Permalink

and to think there are only 4 new answers on the Jackson Galaxy, star of Animal Planet's "My Cat From HELL." thread

sarahell, Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:59 (five years ago) Permalink

haha thats a very unfair comparison!

♆ (gr8080), Thursday, 17 May 2012 03:21 (five years ago) Permalink

my tumblr rapper kitty pryde from HELL

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 17 May 2012 03:24 (five years ago) Permalink

girls is dope ftw

man down (D-40), Thursday, 17 May 2012 08:57 (five years ago) Permalink

when you glean all your information about television programmes from the thinkpieces that trail in their wake, it's often really surprising who turns out to be pro or anti

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Thursday, 17 May 2012 09:17 (five years ago) Permalink

ime everyone likes girls

flopson, Thursday, 17 May 2012 14:34 (five years ago) Permalink

riff raff collabo by the end of next week

― J0rdan, Diddy (tpp), Friday, May 11, 2012 12:39 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

took a lil longer

just sayin, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:41 (five years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

idgi how u cant like this girl

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE JUST REALIZED ANYONE CAN LITERALLY GET MAD ABOUT ANYTHING THERE ARE AN INFINITE NUMBER OF REALLY ANGRY POSTS THAT PEOPLE CAN MAKE ON THE INTERNET

BOUTTA DRAW UP A MATHEMATICAL THEOREM OR SOMETHING
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VAMPIRE WEEKEND SENT ME A BEAT

HM
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DID YOU GUYS KNOW THERES AN ARTIFICIAL SWEETENING CHEMICAL IN SUGARFREE GUM THAT WILL GIVE YOU EXPLOSIVE DIARRHEA IF YOU CHEW WAY TOO MUCH AT A TIME??????????

I DIDNT BUT I DEFINITELY DO NOW
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THANK U FOR YOUR KIND ASK MSGS BUT
LISTEN MAN IF BEING “FAMOUS” MEANS YOU EXPECT ME TO STOP TALKING ABOUT MY UNFORTUNATE BOWEL ACTIVITIES PUBLICLY THEN LETS JUST FORGET ABOUT THE WHOLE THING

johnny crunch, Friday, 8 June 2012 01:26 (five years ago) Permalink

DID YOU GUYS KNOW THERES AN ARTIFICIAL SWEETENING CHEMICAL IN SUGARFREE GUM THAT WILL GIVE YOU EXPLOSIVE DIARRHEA IF YOU CHEW WAY TOO MUCH AT A TIME??????????

I DIDNT BUT I DEFINITELY DO NOW

didn't some ilxor post about this recently? OUTED!

Merdeyeux, Friday, 8 June 2012 01:39 (five years ago) Permalink

those are completely bland tweets

sorry

littledotheyknow (D-40), Friday, 8 June 2012 21:17 (five years ago) Permalink

otm

flopson, Friday, 8 June 2012 21:18 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzcksDgd4jM

abcfsk, Monday, 11 June 2012 18:51 (five years ago) Permalink

so bad

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 June 2012 20:16 (five years ago) Permalink

i like the one with riff raff & the one where she says "kiss the ring pop" & what not

beautiful lou carries a lot of the weight tho... idk there's some decent rapping, but it definitely is music that people will spend a lot more time talking/writing about than actually listening to & i have little interest in that right now

J0rdan S., Monday, 11 June 2012 21:09 (five years ago) Permalink

You've heard the one with Riff Raff? Lucky feller.

longneck, Monday, 11 June 2012 22:05 (five years ago) Permalink

Kitty Pryde kind of sounds like Paul Barman

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 11 June 2012 22:22 (five years ago) Permalink

has anyone brought up the fairly subtle ref to hamlet in 'okay cupid' ? im sure not cuz ppl would much rather write abt what she looks like, etc

idk dismissing it cuz other ppl are gonna write abt uninteresting aspects of it is kinda wack & boring echo chamber stuff

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 01:02 (five years ago) Permalink

Can't believe a rap song I'm completely uninterested in referenced hamlet

la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 01:27 (five years ago) Permalink

What will Bo Burham do next?

la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 01:28 (five years ago) Permalink

cool opinion

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 01:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Bridesmaids, Lena Dunham, Kitty Pryde

what a fantastic year it's been for funny white women.

Cunga, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 01:52 (five years ago) Permalink

johnny if you don't want to talk about how she looks i'd be happy to talk about her terrible flow, breath control, phrasing (which many have pointed out is exactly a worse ripoff of paul barman), cheap sounding & derivative production, sort of grating sense of "oh aren't i clever" when it's really not, or any number of other ways this fails as music :)

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 11:44 (five years ago) Permalink

"sort of grating sense of "oh aren't i clever" "

don't hear this at all. think 'scabies' continues her run of pretty honest-to-goodness love song writing

anyway the previous round found a better place for discussion over at the singles jukebox blurbs than here http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=5492

abcfsk, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 11:52 (five years ago) Permalink

i do think she's kinda clever

that said i'm sorta confused as to where the "songwriting" is on "scabies"

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:28 (five years ago) Permalink

I would never ever ever purchase an album by Kitty Pryde but these tracks are mostly harmless and not nearly as annoying as I expected her to be

the subject matter does make me want to speed-dial Chris Hanson tho

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:36 (five years ago) Permalink

'to catch a predator' joekz! i've never seen one of those on ilx b4.

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:39 (five years ago) Permalink

'what are you following here'

lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:41 (five years ago) Permalink

lol @ Mordy getting indignant that someone referenced "To Catch a Predator" when talking about a girl rapping about how she's in junior high and likes to get drunk with dudes she meets on OKCupid

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:45 (five years ago) Permalink

whose indignant? i'm just flattering you on your cutting edge references

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:46 (five years ago) Permalink

mordy with ally & aj related PTSD

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:49 (five years ago) Permalink

maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if ilx retired the paedo jokes for awhile. of course it works for 4chan so who am i to shut down a clearly very enjoyable trope

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:50 (five years ago) Permalink

wtf is wrong with you

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:51 (five years ago) Permalink

tbh, i'm currently covering an actual predator right now and i'm a little sensitive to ppl throwing around the implication for lulz. also scroll up bc i'm pretty sure the 'joke' has been made about a dozen times on this thread before. wtf is wrong with you?

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:54 (five years ago) Permalink

mordy, all DJP did was note that the subject matter (a girl rapping about how she's in junior high and likes to get drunk with dudes she meets on OKCupid) made him want to e-mail chris hanson when you decided to get touchy

da croupier, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:58 (five years ago) Permalink

like, as far as ilx paedo jokes go, no one was really the butt of this one

da croupier, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:59 (five years ago) Permalink

can't listen to the song right now bc @ work, but if these are the song lyrics i'm pretty sure that's not the subject matter:
http://rapgenius.com/Kitty-pryde-give-me-scabies-lyrics

unless something in there is code for 'i'm in junior high'

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:00 (five years ago) Permalink

There's nothing wrong with me. I listened to a song by a girl claiming she was 13 who liked to go online and hookup with dudes who could get her alcohol, which sounds exactly like the scenarios set up in the To Catch a Predator stings. I made reference to it because the subject matter made me uneasy and is one of the reasons why I'd probably never buy this. There wasn't an actual "joek" made there, just a reference that I assumed most people would understand.

If something is hitting too closely to home, you can always try saying, "that hits a little too closely to home" instead of trying to do a devastating sarcastic takedown that fails horribly and just makes you look like an ass for no particular reason.

xp: I'm talking about "Okay Cupid", Einstein

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:03 (five years ago) Permalink

tbh, i think ilx goes back to that well an awful lot, and maybe you're not the worst offender, but it's pretty fucking gross

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:07 (five years ago) Permalink

nb i don't know anything about the ok cupid song and i'll take your word for what it's about, but i've been reading the same fucking chris hanson joek on ilx since i got here

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:08 (five years ago) Permalink

I've spent enough of my life being the proxy for all black people for idiots that I'm not going to spend even a second being the proxy for all people who made reference to "To Catch a Predator". Fuck off.

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:11 (five years ago) Permalink

mordy is taking a bold stance against pop culture references & internet memes. as a board we should be grateful.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:12 (five years ago) Permalink

You wanna go off on me for making an offensive joke, save it for when I'm actually making an offensive joke; otherwise pick the right target.

Jackass.

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:13 (five years ago) Permalink

I've spent enough of my life being the proxy for all black people for idiots that I'm not going to spend even a second being the proxy for all people who made reference to "To Catch a Predator". Fuck off.

wtf

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:15 (five years ago) Permalink

first they came for keyboard cat, and i said nothing.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:15 (five years ago) Permalink

"the subject matter does make me want to speed-dial Chris Hanson tho" does it make u want to do that??? NUDGE NUDGE HA-HA-HA

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:16 (five years ago) Permalink

clearly since you've got chris hanson on your speed dial you're not just a proxy for the catch a predator meme community, idk ur words give u away bro

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:17 (five years ago) Permalink

guys, please. just have a seat.

crüt, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:19 (five years ago) Permalink

subject matter does make me want to speed dial chris claremont

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:20 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm def envisioning a lifetime movie where mordy -- dogged, ruthless journalist -- becomes affected by his work & teaches society a lesson, bettering a small slice of humanity in the process.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:20 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm just going to repeat this:

If something is hitting too closely to home, you can always try saying, "that hits a little too closely to home" instead of trying to do a devastating sarcastic takedown that fails horribly and just makes you look like an ass for no particular reason.

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:22 (five years ago) Permalink

look, if catch a predator jokes are so much a part of ilx culture that it's blasphemy to suggest that they're a little stale (and maybe a little trivializing) in 2012, then i back off my comments

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:22 (five years ago) Permalink

she sez shes 13 in the bieber song, not okay cupid

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:28 (five years ago) Permalink

site:ilxor.com "chris hansen"
About 1,840 results (0.27 seconds)

site:ilxor.com "catch a predator"
About 8,170 results (0.30 seconds)

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:29 (five years ago) Permalink

she sez shes 13 in the bieber song, not okay cupid

I'm the impact of listening to all three of those songs in quick succession together.

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:32 (five years ago) Permalink

oops

I'm eliding

Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:32 (five years ago) Permalink

http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?lg=EN&pg=home

Mordy, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:33 (five years ago) Permalink

sometimes lost causes are the only things worth getting butthurt over

da croupier, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh, now I have heard the one with riff raff too. I consider myself lucky.

longneck, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 15:23 (five years ago) Permalink

hay guys bacon and zomibies and chris hanson joke, right?

♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:05 (five years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16894-haha-im-sorry-ep/

Mordy, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 14:29 (five years ago) Permalink

haha

☁KITTY♡PRYDE☁ ‏@kttydothedishes

are you serious this shit is like 45 pages long im not reading this novel stop waking me up for stupid crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2h ☁KITTY♡PRYDE☁ ☁KITTY♡PRYDE☁ ‏@kttydothedishes

wait what is pitchfork

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 15:43 (five years ago) Permalink

Kitty, who'd totally roll her eyes at the word count of this review

contenderizer, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 16:39 (five years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Kitty pryde · 6,726 like this
September 6 at 5:22am ·

just finished my christmas song for sufjan stevens....................(:

buzza, Saturday, 15 September 2012 19:56 (five years ago) Permalink

pity cried

nutrition aziz (some dude), Sunday, 16 September 2012 02:05 (five years ago) Permalink

i was gonna say i was born 10 years too early to figure out some "internet pop grifter" scheme, but i guess i could still be a svengali.

big-mammed punisher (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Sunday, 16 September 2012 02:25 (five years ago) Permalink

meanwhile the "cracker might be the police" has been intermittently stuck in my head for the past 24 hrs.

― sarahell, Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:14 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Monday, 17 September 2012 14:10 (five years ago) Permalink

I dunno him, he dunno me

vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Monday, 17 September 2012 14:47 (five years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

i kno what you're all thinking. what this week really needs to be perfect is a kitty pryde bump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1LlgfPF2dQ

Mordy, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:33 (four years ago) Permalink

rob harvilla ‏@harvilla
misread a kitty pryde song title as "hittin 'ILX" and thought, "ohhhh shit"

lag∞n, Friday, 11 January 2013 23:18 (four years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

saw her open for danny brown (day after dick-sucking incident)

i like some of her songs but couldn't really work up a strong opinion about her set. the backing tracks were very very different from the stuff she's "released." it was more aggressive. i don't think it did her many favors since the lushness of some of her production + her absentminded sheepish flow is what makes the good tracks good

but i feel like i have to apologize on behalf of men to her. she was wandering around during DB's set and had to put up with guys groping her, often putting their hands suggestively on her shoulder. one tried to wrap his arm around her waist. she just walked away with an angry/exasperated expression so i guess she can handle it but it was gross to watch. (maybe not as gross as watching danny brown get violated by some girl in the first row, though.) wtf males?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 09:20 (four years ago) Permalink

also wtf females?

hands off the performers, people

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 09:20 (four years ago) Permalink

I actually like "RHEAM"

Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 10:36 (four years ago) Permalink

Er, "RREAM"

Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 10:37 (four years ago) Permalink

Is that a Scooby Doo-style Wu Tang cover?

Ship Lion (some dude), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 11:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Kinda but not really

Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 12:12 (four years ago) Permalink

liked her noisey piece/essay/whatever on the incident. a bit overstated & defensive towards the end, but mostly otm and worth a read.

controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 12:29 (four years ago) Permalink

i'm really surprised we didn't discuss that whole incident on ILX. it really begs for a long drawn-out discussion with lots of nabisco posts.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 12:45 (four years ago) Permalink

also it's weird how many folks on this thread assume she _is_ the persona projected by her songs. among other things it's clearly calculated to wind up critics.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 12:48 (four years ago) Permalink

So she's either genuinely really bratty and annoying or is just pretending to be, cool, radical, she's amazing.

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 13:39 (four years ago) Permalink

well that's obv not what i meant but thanks for playing.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 14:10 (four years ago) Permalink

but i feel like i have to apologize on behalf of men to her. she was wandering around during DB's set and had to put up with guys groping her, often putting their hands suggestively on her shoulder. one tried to wrap his arm around her waist.

damn, this was in madison?

shit tie (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 14:11 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah. the whole show had a weird vibe, but maybe that's just this tour

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:39 (four years ago) Permalink

kitty pryde is awesome. her xanned out, detached flow is really hypnotic and, i think, fairly unique. there will always be something glamorous to me about teenage apathy.

Treeship, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 02:27 (four years ago) Permalink

and greasy. glamorous and greasy.

controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 02:42 (four years ago) Permalink

grease and glamor are basically synonyms afaic

Treeship, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 02:55 (four years ago) Permalink

careful on the runway

controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 03:02 (four years ago) Permalink

@joncaramanica 1h
There's definitely a group of bros chanting "suck his dick" at Kitty during her opening set before Danny Brown

seanpennderizer (some dude), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 03:07 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah, that sucks.

Treeship, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 03:09 (four years ago) Permalink

jesus fucking christ

ḉrut (crüt), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 03:16 (four years ago) Permalink

ijc

The Reverend, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 06:26 (four years ago) Permalink

and greasy. glamorous and greasy.

― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think the word you're searching for is "pimply"?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 06:50 (four years ago) Permalink

cool concert cool internet presences cool friendship cool everyone http://gawker.com/crowd-to-kitty-pryde-suck-danny-browns-dick-danny-br-496411250

lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:19 (four years ago) Permalink

can't lie and say I didn't see this coming pretty much from day one; that said, fuck everybody, I bet they comment on brooklyn vegan too

katherine, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Disappointing, not least because I find Kitty Pryde more interesting and original than Danny Brown.

Treeship, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:23 (four years ago) Permalink

her response at the end of that thing was great and otm

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:07 (four years ago) Permalink

nope

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:38 (four years ago) Permalink

she (and danny brown) are reacting like people are horrified because she was heckled, when people are actually horrified that she was being heckled using sexually demeaning language that directly referred to her defending the headliner that the hecklers were presumably there to see (though apparently she shouldn't have bothered since DB basically undermined her defense)

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:43 (four years ago) Permalink

if people were just booing and saying "you suck" no one would care

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:44 (four years ago) Permalink

oh no sexually demeaning language at a rap show ;_;

how come she doesn't get to shrug it off and be like 'grow up', that is p much the exact right response, and to say she really doesn't need anyone else stepping up to her defense is also exactly right

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:47 (four years ago) Permalink

and this is why i usually don't bother

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:48 (four years ago) Permalink

good, apparently no one should bother having these conversations

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:49 (four years ago) Permalink

what a cool, progressive attitude

polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:59 (four years ago) Permalink

i was cool with her shrugging it off but i thought it was lame when she bragged about how she gets to spend time with danny brown.

Treeship, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 20:15 (four years ago) Permalink

seems kinda like her head is in a fucked up place imo

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 May 2013 21:16 (four years ago) Permalink

if she felt like danny not dealing with it all was appropriate that's on her i guess but i don't know if that was me in that situation i'd want my friend to tell those people to fuck off, just on a "i got your back" tip

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 May 2013 21:18 (four years ago) Permalink

did he definitely know about it before playing his set? i mean, he was probably in the green room smoking weed and not watching, right?

yeah. the whole show had a weird vibe, but maybe that's just this tour

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:39 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anyway this is really disappointing. i think i had a show that night or i would have been there.

shit tie (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 21:28 (four years ago) Permalink

that's exactly it, it sounds like it was just a couple of people at a show being jerks and prolly not even on danny brown's radar at the time and no one, even kitty, really cares all too much except the outrage factories on the internet

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 21:59 (four years ago) Permalink

like, obviously chanting shit like that at a show is not cool, but not everyone has to respond with some big missive about what it means in critical terms, sometimes you can just respond by being like "this is not a big deal to me"

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:03 (four years ago) Permalink

did he definitely know about it before playing his set? i mean, he was probably in the green room smoking weed and not watching, right?

at the madison show danny brown came on 1 hr late b/c apparently he was so drunk/stoned that he had passed out in the tour bus. when they finally got him up it was almost 1 AM and he was clearly really groggy. this was evident in his between-song patter but his rapping was completely on point, which is some kind of real achievement.

i just note this to say that yeah he was probably completely oblivious to what was happening during kitty's set.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 23:52 (four years ago) Permalink

obviously chanting shit like that at a show is not cool

apparently this was not obvious to everyone in the audience

flamenco drop (lex pretend), Thursday, 9 May 2013 00:03 (four years ago) Permalink

oh no sexually demeaning language at a rap show ;_;

because it's not surprising it shouldn't be discussed or indeed outright condemned?

flamenco drop (lex pretend), Thursday, 9 May 2013 00:06 (four years ago) Permalink

a lot of what kitty wrote in that long blog post/whatever it was (can't tell on the internet anymore) was on point

but it's weird that it seems to have been written without the confidence/input of danny himself. she assured us that she knows what he is feeling but on no evidence

which honestly is kind of bad. not as bad as sucking danny brown's dick while he's performing. not as naff as all the misogyny evident at these shows. but kind of bad nonetheless

feel like for kitty her friendship with/access to the mind of danny brown is real capital and she's going to use it

which tarnishes her insights a little

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 9 May 2013 00:20 (four years ago) Permalink

she assured us that she knows what he is feeling but on no evidence

he cosigned it pretty heavily after it was posted

flamenco drop (lex pretend), Thursday, 9 May 2013 00:30 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah but he did so while still retweeting people who were more or less congratulating him for getting a BJ on stage no?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 9 May 2013 01:57 (four years ago) Permalink

"why you wanna fuckin' undercut me like i'm skrillex hair?"

Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Sunday, 19 May 2013 22:34 (four years ago) Permalink

I present to you a dope tune from tumblr rapper Glasspopcorn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20B4HiHT2r4

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 19 May 2013 22:46 (four years ago) Permalink

I've seen that like three times on ILX now; have to presume he's getting popular?

klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 May 2013 22:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Don't know. Including this one, I posted it twice. Don't know who the third person was.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 19 May 2013 22:52 (four years ago) Permalink

prob grady

klaus dingeldore's rhinelander monkey keeper father (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 May 2013 22:58 (four years ago) Permalink

no.

gr8080, Monday, 20 May 2013 01:53 (four years ago) Permalink

it was def grady

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 20 May 2013 02:15 (four years ago) Permalink

does yahoo own all these tumblr rappers now

akm, Monday, 20 May 2013 14:04 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

thread is a fuckin classic

rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 16 August 2013 23:25 (four years ago) Permalink

also danny brown you stay away from this girl. you stay far away.

― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, May 11, 2012 12:53 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL

rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 16 August 2013 23:25 (four years ago) Permalink

cant u just admit that this shit sucks! i know you think it sucks!!

― flopson, Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:08 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://vaks.in/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/e41d.pnghttp://vaks.in/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/e41d.pnghttp://vaks.in/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/e41d.png

rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 16 August 2013 23:26 (four years ago) Permalink

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

yeah, maybe, but i'm not into it, so i'm not too fussed.

sure, some teens will be into kitty pryde while others won't. that much is obvious enough. i meant that this strikes me as music made by and for teens, thus best evaluated by them, according to whatever weird teenage criteria they have bouncing around in their heads. when they group up, they'll re-evaluate it, and only then will we get any useful perspective on it.

of course grown-ups in the here and now will have and express opinions about it, too. we'll do this because we can't help ourselves, but grown-up opinion seems almost completely irrelevant. this music isn't for us, so the fact that many of us will hate it is no more interesting to me than the fact that a few will inevitably like it (though the former do seem a bit less creepy).

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:30 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.soulstrut.com/images/smileys/f-u.gif

rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 16 August 2013 23:30 (four years ago) Permalink

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:16 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 16 August 2013 23:34 (four years ago) Permalink

secret facebook cabal friend request rejected again huh

r|t|c, Friday, 16 August 2013 23:49 (four years ago) Permalink

pellion's interview was the kendrick lamar 'control' verse of the rap internet this week

rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 16 August 2013 23:50 (four years ago) Permalink

kitty has really fallen off since she stopped doing drugs or w/e that garbage blog post was a while back

johnny crunch, Friday, 16 August 2013 23:51 (four years ago) Permalink

I personally like MY rap music based on what gives hueg boners to the "I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren that are propping up the careers of white people who can't rap but look good doing it

― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:58 PM (1 year ago)

"I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren
"I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren
"I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren
"I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren
"I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren
"I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren
"I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Friday, 16 August 2013 23:54 (four years ago) Permalink

sarahell you had a funny zing in here somewhere

rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 16 August 2013 23:57 (four years ago) Permalink

She comes up with a lot of good lines. The sound of her voice goes well with the music. So what's the problem?

it sucks.

― sarahell, Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:58 AM (1 year ago)

this one?

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Friday, 16 August 2013 23:59 (four years ago) Permalink

i forgot how amazing this thread was

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:01 (four years ago) Permalink

don't forget it's mother's day guys!!

― goole, Sunday, May 13, 2012 4:51 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:06 (four years ago) Permalink

I look forward to reading this thread again in De Capo next year.

― Tim F, Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:31 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:06 (four years ago) Permalink

so there was no da capo for 2k12 huh

rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:06 (four years ago) Permalink

what is being said here? that vice magazine gave coverage to this artist bc the editorial staff fantasized about being in a relationship with her?

― Mordy, Monday, May 14, 2012 7:41 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...so close

rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:15 (four years ago) Permalink

lol

sisilafami, Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:20 (four years ago) Permalink

inert music plus a voice with zero charisma or range sleepwalking through a recitation of inanities

― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:03 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:24 (four years ago) Permalink

Seriously though, this is rockist and w/e but duck dunn and levon and mca passing kinda makes me realize how little time we all have on this planet and now that there is literally an infinite number of things you could pay attention to or think about, maybe the real fundamental battle of our time is trying to really focus and prioritize your attention....like I've never heard Brahms but I've posted several times in a thread about some semi clever 15yr old girl that raps on youtube

― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:41 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there are some serious greatest hits on here. i also liked jess' post about his grandfather.

rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:28 (four years ago) Permalink

the only thing i'm an expert on is knowing what i like, though i'm building strong skills in challops and appearing open-minded

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:03 PM (1 year ago)

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:34 (four years ago) Permalink

This thread saved my life

In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:35 (four years ago) Permalink

haha i'm just getting to the part where mordy gets pissed off about a chris hansen joke from DJP

mordy is taking a bold stance against pop culture references & internet memes. as a board we should be grateful.

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:12 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 17 August 2013 00:41 (four years ago) Permalink

good times

some dude, Saturday, 17 August 2013 01:18 (four years ago) Permalink

i can't believe that thread went so long before anyone made a chris hansen joke tbh

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Saturday, 17 August 2013 01:19 (four years ago) Permalink

"The Kendrick Lamar of rap journalism"

blinded by aggro (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 August 2013 06:56 (four years ago) Permalink

bodies his own editors

this gtr climbed mt. washington (Edward III), Saturday, 17 August 2013 17:37 (four years ago) Permalink

i forgot how amazing this thread was

― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Friday, August 16, 2013 8:01 PM (Yesterday)

mc escher neva 4get

this gtr climbed mt. washington (Edward III), Saturday, 17 August 2013 17:40 (four years ago) Permalink

whenever i find myself posting on one of these threads multiple times i have a vision of my grandfather in a muddy ditch, with water in his boots, being shot at by nazis, defending western civilization, and then wondering why he bothered.
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:16 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 August 2013 00:30 (four years ago) Permalink

^ underrated post

this gtr climbed mt. washington (Edward III), Sunday, 18 August 2013 01:11 (four years ago) Permalink

nazi tumblr rap would have been next level

President Keyes, Sunday, 18 August 2013 01:42 (four years ago) Permalink

harry turtledove probably has a book about it

President Keyes, Sunday, 18 August 2013 01:43 (four years ago) Permalink

what is being said here? that vice magazine gave coverage to this artist bc the editorial staff fantasized about being in a relationship with her?

― Mordy, Monday, May 14, 2012 7:41 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this has turned out to be one of the most prescient posts in ilm history

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 August 2013 01:49 (four years ago) Permalink

sounds like a good title for a list thread

YOU FOOLS PAY OVER $2.50 for a comic book (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 18 August 2013 02:22 (four years ago) Permalink

up there with jess predicting a danny brown association

rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 18 August 2013 03:42 (four years ago) Permalink

and someone else calling the riff raff collab

it's like the script is already written

rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 18 August 2013 03:42 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

so fucking embarrassing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYNzozXvARY

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 October 2013 22:00 (four years ago) Permalink

:/

Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Thursday, 31 October 2013 22:00 (four years ago) Permalink

i saw her perform recently......... it was not good. i felt kinda bad.

J0rdan S., Thursday, 31 October 2013 22:01 (four years ago) Permalink

she was not good this summer, either.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 31 October 2013 22:11 (four years ago) Permalink

i feel like you have to be pretty exceptional to have a good live rap set, especially with a laptop dj.. the ideas that go into tumblr cloud rap don't really mesh with the ideas that go into live performance

Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Thursday, 31 October 2013 22:15 (four years ago) Permalink

If "knowing how to rap" was a criterion for being a rapper in 2013, you might feel differently.

a dessicated quasi-tsunami of gut-busting cosmic - tech (DJP), Thursday, 31 October 2013 22:21 (four years ago) Permalink

I agree! I count "knowing how to rap" as being "pretty exceptional"

Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Thursday, 31 October 2013 22:31 (four years ago) Permalink

serious q: what is the inescapable criterion for being a rapper in 2013
because with holograms, it's not even a pulse

there's no camera to capture that yelping moment! (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 31 October 2013 22:31 (four years ago) Permalink

a twitter account

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 31 October 2013 22:35 (four years ago) Permalink

that's kinda what i assumed her performances would be like anyway? centering your performing persona around half-hearted self-deprecation just seems like something that is easier to pull off on record than in front of a live audience.

Ned Ratchet (some dude), Thursday, 31 October 2013 23:12 (four years ago) Permalink

i mean there seems to be a constant stream of 'lol im a dorky wite rapper sorry you paid to see me' types like MC Chris touring rock clubs across the country, she seems to have tapped into a cottage industry that's been depressing and modestly profitable for a long time

Ned Ratchet (some dude), Thursday, 31 October 2013 23:48 (four years ago) Permalink

You have no idea

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 November 2013 00:14 (four years ago) Permalink

lol

Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Friday, 1 November 2013 00:36 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

This is really annoyingly written but etherous http://www.thecoloredboy.com/2013/12/eat-cake-anime-on-white-cluelessness.html?m=1

The Reverend, Sunday, 15 December 2013 07:43 (three years ago) Permalink

i'm madder at whoever commissioned that in the first place than kitty pryde

lex pretend, Sunday, 15 December 2013 08:38 (three years ago) Permalink

one of those "rip criticism" moments

lex pretend, Sunday, 15 December 2013 08:38 (three years ago) Permalink

justin bieber's initials on all my winter clothes
justin bieber has to take me out to dinner though
justin bieber on my notebooks and my pens
justin bieber is my very best friend
justin bieber posters as ii pretend he's kissin' me
justin bieber bulbs on my x-mas tree

=]

dude-icrous (color definition point of "beyond "color, eg a transient that), Sunday, 15 December 2013 12:32 (three years ago) Permalink

i dunno if i'm that mad at kitty pryde initially mishearing the anna mae / anime thing. i mean, mondegreens, w/e. does that really make her racist?

miley cyrus as a reference point for ***flawless is pretty wack tho.

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:17 (three years ago) Permalink

she's got vice/noisey US locked for some reason...i've had negative pieces on her commissioned by the UK branch and then told they can't run due to her being best mates with American editors.

Obviously the Beyonce piece was pretty shit (I don't think anyone liveblogging an album would be very interesting really) but not really sure if she's a racist?

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:19 (three years ago) Permalink

why is she famous

#illuminati (crüt), Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

according to tcb, kitty's piece suggests that she lives in a bubble of depressingly oblivious whiteness. some difference between that and being racist, imo.

CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:34 (three years ago) Permalink

ymmv

CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:35 (three years ago) Permalink

according to tcb, kitty's piece suggests that she lives in a bubble of depressingly oblivious whiteness.

it's called "daytona beach" fyi

#illuminati (crüt), Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:42 (three years ago) Permalink

when are we going to get that "is she a racist or not?" isn't the issue when someone calls out the promotion of ignorant shit

da croupier, Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:44 (three years ago) Permalink

^ yeah, that

CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:45 (three years ago) Permalink

you just can't teach these white ppl

mitch hedberg and kevin hart (sleepingbag), Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:47 (three years ago) Permalink

lex pretend
Posted: December 15, 2013 at 8:38:57 AM
one of those "rip criticism" moments

music criticism may be dead but were in the golden age of media criticism

lag∞n, Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:26 (three years ago) Permalink

lol at the whole idea of jay rapping abt anamie def something he shd try out

lag∞n, Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:27 (three years ago) Permalink

or maybe just keep saying things that could be misheard as such idk got to stay relevant somehow

lag∞n, Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:31 (three years ago) Permalink

man thanks to this i finally understand that one line from "wonton soup"

een, Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:33 (three years ago) Permalink

I just might learn to speak Mandarin
Japanese for the yen that I'm handlin
.
.
.
Neon Genesis Evangelion

乒乓, Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:34 (three years ago) Permalink

because you know who / did you know what / with naruto

mitch hedberg and kevin hart (sleepingbag), Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Finally Rap I can relate to

乒乓, Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Just reminded that there are like literally 1000s of anime tribute videos set to Jay-z

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laDvSU9hbv4

乒乓, Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:49 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nU61JchJJo

乒乓, Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:51 (three years ago) Permalink

globalism really is one of the most beautiful things

lag∞n, Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Not really surprised that Hov knows about deep anime cuts though

After all Kanye invented the genre + Hov and Ye worked together on #WTT so it makes sense that Ye would have told Hov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co0tTeuUVhU

乒乓, Sunday, 15 December 2013 18:02 (three years ago) Permalink

white rapper appropriating black culture explodes with joy because she thought a black artist was appropriating white appropriation of japanese culture

every generation gets the RAWKAN discussion on SoulStrut it deserves

tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 December 2013 18:08 (three years ago) Permalink

ah-knee-may

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 15 December 2013 18:53 (three years ago) Permalink

It's really cracking me up that in her long earnest apology she still messes up the name and says "Annie Mae" instead of "Anna Mae"

some dude, Sunday, 15 December 2013 18:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Misspoke an "ola mae" Warren g reference imo

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:05 (three years ago) Permalink

i cannot read that blog post posted upthread b/c of the way it's written. what happened to real paragraphs? how can people summon the fortitude parse this stuff?

p.s. i could give two shits about the actual "debate."

extraterrestrial★squad (amateurist), Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Amateurist have you heard of this concept called 'smarm'

乒乓, Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:08 (three years ago) Permalink

i have! the whole thing reads like its smugness has just overtaken its ability to communicate anything clearly

extraterrestrial★squad (amateurist), Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:09 (three years ago) Permalink

That blog post isn't really hard to understand

Murgatroid, Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:11 (three years ago) Permalink

it was for me

i guess i'm just old

extraterrestrial★squad (amateurist), Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:14 (three years ago) Permalink

well not hard to understand just impossible to actually read

extraterrestrial★squad (amateurist), Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:14 (three years ago) Permalink

white rapper appropriating black culture explodes with joy because she thought a black artist was appropriating white appropriation of japanese culture

every generation gets the RAWKAN discussion on SoulStrut it deserves

Best part about this post is how it implies black people don't watch anime

乒乓, Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:14 (three years ago) Permalink

don't forget white critic who's made his career defining what is and isn't real black culture while working at places that don't hire blacks

balls, Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:17 (three years ago) Permalink

Haha I thought about making some kind of variation on that but gave up and watched some more anime music videos instead

乒乓, Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:20 (three years ago) Permalink

the moral of this story is that live-blogging is stupid and always has been.

Mark, Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:29 (three years ago) Permalink

srsly whiney tho what a bullshit post that was

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:40 (three years ago) Permalink

everything ghostface killah knows about shaolin he learned from tumblr

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:49 (three years ago) Permalink

of course black people watch animes, but it's definitely white hipsters leading the charge in co-opting anime imagery for their art in 2013: i.e., Elite Gymnastics/Dead Girlfriends, Laurel Halo, Oneohtrix Point Never, etc

I mean, yeah Chris Breezy will drop a single cover now and then, but anime/j-pop/etc seems like a very integral part of the predominately white Tumblr-electronics world that Kitty Pryde is assuredly familiar with

tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:06 (three years ago) Permalink

This is based on extremely unscientific observations...but my place of employ does give me a somewhat unique view and I think that everyone would be surprised by how wrong the stereotype that black kids aren't into anime/jrpg/street fighter/dragonballz/etc really is

My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:07 (three years ago) Permalink

let's keep pretending i said black people aren';t interested in anime, that should be fun

tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:08 (three years ago) Permalink

why does black people never want to nerd

lag∞n, Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:09 (three years ago) Permalink

i mean for fucks sake this is the Weeknd's recent stage show

http://assets.noisey.com/content-images/contentimage/18111/radio%20city%20music%20hall%20the%20weeknd%20cartoon%20cats.jpg

tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:10 (three years ago) Permalink

ffs

lag∞n, Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:10 (three years ago) Permalink

I remember being so surprised at first and feeling kind of ashamed that I was, but especially back when I first started we were still getting more letters still so you could see the postmarks and kids would send pictures because we were still doing a reader top 5 in the magazine each month

My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Good to know that "co-opting" is going the way of "slut-shaming" via overuse, like it can be applied to anime now?

Murgatroid, Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

see whiney if i were you the defensive posture i wouldve taken is that you were appropriating kitty prides pov re anime culture

lag∞n, Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:12 (three years ago) Permalink

ha

tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:12 (three years ago) Permalink

It's really cracking me up that in her long earnest apology she still messes up the name and says "Annie Mae" instead of "Anna Mae"

she had to apologize for not getting Jay-Z's spousal abuse joke?

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:18 (three years ago) Permalink

of course black people watch animes, but it's definitely white hipsters leading the charge in co-opting anime imagery for their art in 2013: i.e., Elite Gymnastics/Dead Girlfriends, Laurel Halo, Oneohtrix Point Never, etc

I mean, yeah Chris Breezy will drop a single cover now and then, but anime/j-pop/etc seems like a very integral part of the predominately white Tumblr-electronics world that Kitty Pryde is assuredly familiar with

What happened to your phrase tumblr white

Why is it now tumblr electronics

乒乓, Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:24 (three years ago) Permalink

That blog post isn't really hard to understand

I understand that it's fucking terrible

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:26 (three years ago) Permalink

whiney bringing very intense demographic research to the table here

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:38 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

balls, Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:54 (three years ago) Permalink

of course black people watch animes, but it's definitely white hipsters leading the charge in co-opting anime imagery for their art in 2013: i.e., Elite Gymnastics/Dead Girlfriends, Laurel Halo, Oneohtrix Point Never, etc

lol john zorn fan

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 15 December 2013 21:37 (three years ago) Permalink

white critic who's made his career defining what is and isn't real black culture while working at places that don't hire blacks

― balls, Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:17 AM (3 hours ago)

balls deep

CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 December 2013 22:49 (three years ago) Permalink

still dont understand why there isnt a tumblr of anime gifs + lyrics from this album yet

max, Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:49 (three years ago) Permalink

eva unit 02 in battle macro'd w/ I WOKE UP LIKE THIS I WOKE UP LIKE THIS

max, Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:50 (three years ago) Permalink

These things take time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8OIYZaOBho

乒乓, Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:52 (three years ago) Permalink

Really struggling to care about any of this

Kitty pryde is the worst tho obv

rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:58 (three years ago) Permalink

in retrospect, i feel bad for ever having suggested otherwise

CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:59 (three years ago) Permalink

vice magazine still the worst, before kitty pryde there was momus

balls, Monday, 16 December 2013 00:09 (three years ago) Permalink

her apology essay on tumblr was pretty decent, esp considering she's like 18 or something

da croupier, Monday, 16 December 2013 00:48 (three years ago) Permalink

the rise of noisey may actualy be the single worst thing about music in 2013

papa smango (fadanuf4erybody), Monday, 16 December 2013 00:59 (three years ago) Permalink

she's almost 22 but hey

Mark, Monday, 16 December 2013 01:14 (three years ago) Permalink

ha yeah i had no idea for sure

da croupier, Monday, 16 December 2013 01:15 (three years ago) Permalink

vice magazine still the worst, before kitty pryde there was momus

― balls, Sunday, December 15, 2013 6:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mh, Monday, 16 December 2013 01:50 (three years ago) Permalink

I love whiney's comment about black people appropriating anime via white people backtracking, conclusively proven by instances of black artists using anime-like imagery

mh, Monday, 16 December 2013 01:51 (three years ago) Permalink

unrelated but w/e

tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 December 2013 01:58 (three years ago) Permalink

if i have to spell it out, there's

A) black artists influenced by anime (kanye, chris breezy, waka's "bitch call me goku", my diamonds they say pikachu, they say pikachu) because it's a popular cultural artifact like anything else

B) And then there's a specific form of predominatelty white post-Altered Zones Tumblr electronic musician (ie, OPN, Elite Gs, Laurel Halo et al), who use anime imagery for trangression/internet points/#feels that predated like Flatbush Zombies or w/e.

I might have been projecting, but I assumed Kitty Pryde was excited that Jay-Z said "anime" because he was slumming in it her world of Young Tumblr people, just like the entire blogoverse shit their pants when Jay Z showed up at a Grizzly Bear show like that validated a predominately white scene

tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 December 2013 02:07 (three years ago) Permalink

sorry i brought up race in the kitty pryde thread, it won't happen again

tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 December 2013 02:08 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMaSh20qBbg

balls, Monday, 16 December 2013 02:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Whiney did you ever watch any anime growing up

Have you ever played Pokemon

乒乓, Monday, 16 December 2013 02:24 (three years ago) Permalink

whiney you're completely talking out of your ass

fyi

it's as simple as that

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 December 2013 02:30 (three years ago) Permalink

whiney doing some sort of dumbed down megyn kelly routine now

balls, Monday, 16 December 2013 02:36 (three years ago) Permalink

let's change the subject for no reason
https://medium.com/facts-only/b7deb1cb614c

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 December 2013 02:44 (three years ago) Permalink

like there's a dozen different places that would better belong, in the medium thread maybe but this one keeps popping up in my bookmarks

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 December 2013 02:47 (three years ago) Permalink

um, i didn't get the sense that kitty pryde was "freaking out" about the anime thing because it validated her own cultural existence

i think it was entirely "lol this old rapper sounds like a total weirdo trying to make a reference to a cultural phenomenon two decades removed from his own generation"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:07 (three years ago) Permalink

like, pretty much a default pre-25 y/o reaction to anything. i prob do it all the time \(o_O)/

the funny thing to me is that she didn't stop for a second and consider if "eat the cake/anime" made any sense at all then think about what else the line could've meant

aka people probably shouldn't consent to having unedited liveblogs posted to web sites with millions of monthly uniques

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:13 (three years ago) Permalink

"A cultural phenomenon two decades removed from his own generation" how new do you think anime is

da croupier, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:15 (three years ago) Permalink

i thought he was talking about shanghai express

CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:25 (three years ago) Permalink

we had our robotech and what not but anime as a thing that lots of americans are into def seems like a millennial thing

lag∞n, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:27 (three years ago) Permalink

i mean adjust the timeline for however you see fit, i think my point stands

btw i know literally nothing about anime so i'm generalizing

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:28 (three years ago) Permalink

its ok u can tell us abt ur anime

lag∞n, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:29 (three years ago) Permalink

we had our robotech and what not but anime as a thing that lots of americans are into def seems like a millennial thing

― lag∞n, Sunday, December 15, 2013 10:27 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

really? i think it goes back a decade further, that's when I started seeing huge all-anime sections in video stores etc.

extraterrestrial★squad (amateurist), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:59 (three years ago) Permalink

i think perhaps the cultural associations around anime have shifted, as cultural associations are wont to do, but I'd say anime fandom was a notable subculture in the 90s/early 00s (i.e. when kitty pryde was a zygote/urchin)

extraterrestrial★squad (amateurist), Monday, 16 December 2013 05:00 (three years ago) Permalink

come on dude

opn released a shitty video someone directed for him that was a weak satire of negative stereotypes about people who like anime, not a celebration of it or an attempt to score internet points by using anime aesthetics, laurel halo had an album cover with japanese schoolgirls committing harikari on it that didn't really have anything to do with anime

there is no art-tumblr internet anime appreciation cognoscenti, kitty/hemsworth/friendzone pokemon namedrops on twitter are just representative of the wider cultural penetration of 4chan and video games as a general thing

adult swim on cartoon network shows anime shows, the odd future show, and the boondocks which is literally an anime show about black culture and rap, to suggest that a bunch of obscure white electronic musicians most people have never heard of have a monopoly on anime references is just a completely bizarre new york internet music writer echo chamber bullshit assertion to make

but i guess this is the kitty pryde thread so whatever i mean if there wasn't a new york internet music writer echo chamber this thread wouldn't even be here

james brooks, Monday, 16 December 2013 05:20 (three years ago) Permalink

sick burns of endearment

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Monday, 16 December 2013 05:22 (three years ago) Permalink

this clusterfuck really isnt deserving of anyone's time

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 16 December 2013 06:45 (three years ago) Permalink

james, i would argue back, but it's basically the whole "Did Rihanna steal #seapunk's aesthetic" argument for a hypothetical Jay Z line that doesn't actually exist anywhere but as a mondegreen on a Noisey liveblog

let's all just bump this and call it a night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovA6iPznvzw

tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 December 2013 06:51 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aWPTCc2r0

socki (s1ocki), Monday, 16 December 2013 15:14 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGBhQbmPwH8

socki (s1ocki), Monday, 16 December 2013 15:14 (three years ago) Permalink

not sure rappers have heard of daft punk, might have to touch on a stronger case

mh, Monday, 16 December 2013 15:20 (three years ago) Permalink

"proto culture' by del seems like it was super influential on the low

My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 December 2013 15:25 (three years ago) Permalink

all credit to H4a, the main rapper in this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5y3NQi_RAY

乒乓, Monday, 16 December 2013 17:52 (three years ago) Permalink

lol no way i remember that vid, it's from some helldump thread ages ago right?

chilli, Monday, 16 December 2013 20:30 (three years ago) Permalink

rap classic "one week" by the barenaked ladies namedrops sailor moon, pretty sure that's the tigres-euphrates for all hip-hop/anime crossover

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Monday, 16 December 2013 20:38 (three years ago) Permalink

1998 canada trailblazin yo

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Monday, 16 December 2013 20:38 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu1glrMvsPo

1:35

james brooks, Monday, 16 December 2013 21:19 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I'm just going to bump the thread and post this song from last year which was good, moving and got some positive write-ups (shout out to tsj but she's mostly ignored by everyone for some reason) .. anyway, just when you thought she was going to go away forever after the mild initial hype died away (admittedly I lost interest myself), and who could've blamed her with how ugly people of all sorts were being when talking about her, she went and did some gorgeous stuff and confirmed, I guess, that she will keep on creating music because she has things to say and show, and found a real new strength of voice- and I can conclude to myself that my initial interest was not misguided

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X45LLOdVIz8

abcfsk, Thursday, 22 January 2015 23:04 (two years ago) Permalink

yea theres good stuff on her impatiens ep

johnny crunch, Thursday, 22 January 2015 23:09 (two years ago) Permalink

BRB is wonderful <3

All The Craigers Gonna Craig Craig Craig Craig Craig (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 22 January 2015 23:10 (two years ago) Permalink

https://s.ytimg.com/yts/img/icon_comments_disabled-vflxokpZC.png Comments are disabled for this video.

deliberately clunky, needlessly arty, (contenderizer), Thursday, 22 January 2015 23:15 (two years ago) Permalink

Vis-a-vis Contenderizer on another thread, this might be in place here too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw9H8x9F9fo

a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Thursday, 22 January 2015 23:53 (two years ago) Permalink

Abcfsk, that song is fucking brilliant!

a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Friday, 23 January 2015 00:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Yep, it's really sweet. Narrowly missed my top 25.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Friday, 23 January 2015 00:01 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah, this is nice. video's weirdly poignant, too, especially cuz we all know why comments are disabled :/

deliberately clunky, needlessly arty, (contenderizer), Friday, 23 January 2015 00:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Clue me in... :-/

a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Friday, 23 January 2015 00:16 (two years ago) Permalink

eighty million misogynist assholes + that video =

deliberately clunky, needlessly arty, (contenderizer), Friday, 23 January 2015 00:18 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh, I did not know that. :-(

a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Friday, 23 January 2015 00:24 (two years ago) Permalink

Actually it's about ethics in hip hop blogging

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 23 January 2015 01:37 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

https://soundcloud.com/adultswimsingles/kitty/s-JkXNE

abcfsk, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 09:28 (two years ago) Permalink

i think her ability to take something that's normally considered sordid or faintly ridiculous and turn it into pathos is kind of genius.

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 16:58 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

i feel like the last two years of my career have been basically re-fighting this battle from upthread with contenderizer but on a bigger stage

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:29 (one year ago) Permalink

over which artists?

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 14:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I had been hoping Kitty Pryde had returned with some of her teenage asmr raps, but apparently she hasn't been musically active since 2014.

how's life, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 14:44 (one year ago) Permalink

apparently she's still working on her album

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:05 (one year ago) Permalink

She has released at least twelve songs since 2014, gotten married to Ricky Eat Acid, started a side project with him, and is finishing her new album

fgti, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:15 (one year ago) Permalink

over which artists?

and where can i post about them?

Best Beloved Trumppence (contenderizer), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:20 (one year ago) Permalink

xp: I only checked her wikipedia page.

how's life, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:21 (one year ago) Permalink

not about specific artists but just this nonsense notion of millennial authenticity that 'adults' cant possibly understand

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:48 (one year ago) Permalink

She has released at least twelve songs since 2014, gotten married to Ricky Eat Acid, started a side project with him, and is finishing her new album

is it some deep wikipedia joke that she's also drumming for mindless self indulgence, bc if so she's living my dream life

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

lol nm different kitty, google combined both

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:57 (one year ago) Permalink

There was another rumour that circulated that David Tibet was her father

fgti, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:26 (one year ago) Permalink

haha what??

Steve Gunn Mann-Dude (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:43 (one year ago) Permalink

The most interesting pieces of pop music trivia that you know (that are 100% false)

http://kittydothedishes.tumblr.com/post/28248100278/i-also-heard-your-dad-was-the-owner-of-supreme

The story was that David Tibet had her and gave her up for adoption, and then she was raised by James Jebbia. Neither of these people are her adoptive or bio father. Fun hoax tho.

fgti, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 02:53 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

lol what sense does it make to go Chromeo when bruno mars is doing it too

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 15 October 2016 22:55 (one year ago) Permalink

i liked some of the stuff from her 2014 EPs but this direction really doesn't work for her unfortunately

ufo, Sunday, 16 October 2016 01:19 (one year ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

ime everyone likes girls

― flopson, Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:34 AM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Haha

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 2 July 2017 09:07 (five months ago) Permalink


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