frat rap

this seems like the new thing

how vile is this stuff so far

fratrap.tumblr.com

what hath asher roth wrought

what the

aesthetic: 90s ny rap filtered through 00s college student party rap sensibilities

predominantly white performers for predominantly white audiences

first time this has happened that wasnt indie rap with an aesop rock style fanbase

these guys are more popular than odd future

they see Nas as the most recent musical prophet in a line stretching from Jimi Hendrix - > Bob Marley

mac miller, sam adams seem to be the big names

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3BbGzcaAwg

Students Cut New Rap Record
B.M.O.C. Makes 'Guaranteed to Rock' Single
By Jesus I. Ramirez,
Published: Friday, February 05, 1988

"H-A-R-V-A-R-D! I go to Harvard University!"

"Harvard, Goddamn! How do you get through?"

"Pulling freaks, getting A's, and drinking Heineken brews!"

This rap comes out of your speakers, billed as the single "Guaranteed To Rock." You examine the record jacket for the tenth time. Yes, the performers pictured are two white, Jewish boys in Harvard attire.

No, the Beastie Boys haven't enrolled at Harvard, as was recently rumored in the National Enquirer. The rappers on the 12-inch single's cover are Jonathan M. "Sultan M.C." Shecter '90 and Bennington College sophomore Kevin "Kevi-Kev" Krakower.

Shecter's group, B.M.O.C. (Big Man On Campus), cut the single in New York last summer with producer Nile Rodgers, who has also worked on albums for Madonna, David Bowie, and DuranDuran. "Guaranteed To Rock" shares a disk with"Play That Funk," also recorded last summer. Thetwo songs are the first that the reknowned popproducer has worked on with B.M.O.C.

The group's third member is D.J. Kid Swift, ahighly ranked professional disk jockey. "The d.j.of a rap album," Shecter explained, "is the guywho manipulates the record on the turntable toproduce a scratching sound."

Brett Ratner, a sophomore at New YorkUniversity, is the group's manager and executiveproducer. "I heard a demo of the group, I thoughtthey were great and I thought the Harvard imagewas great," he said. "So I got $10,000, finishedthe record, and got a five-record deal with Sire."Sire Records, the label under which the single wasreleased, is a part of Warner Brothers.

"I'm not at liberty to discuss the details ofour contract," said a chuckling Shecter, "butwe're going to make more money than most peoplewould wish to make in seven thousand lifetimes."Shecter described the contract with Sire asunusual: "we're a new group and Sire is a bigrecord company."

Ratner also said he had convinced Rodgers toproduce the record and Diadora, a manufacturer ofathletic clothing to sponsor the group. "We planto include Diadora in our next song," Shectersaid, noting that the rap group Run DMC endorsesAdidas products in some of its songs.

"They will probably be as big or even biggerthan The Beastie Boys because they have totalcrossover appeal," Ratner said of the group.Thanks to its pop producer, said Ratner, "thesingle is very danceable, so it appeals to non-rappeople."

"I hope it expands the musical taste of Harvardstudents who don't even know what rap is, becauseit's what's happening," Shecter said of hissingle.

"I'm a Harvard undergrad, a scholarly scholar,and I'm using rap music to make me dollars, "Shecter says in "Play That Funk." But off therecord, he insists that he's not in rap for themoney, but because he loves the music.

"I've been interested in the music since rapcame out, when I was around eleven years old,"Shecter said in his Cabot House room, which isdecorated with posters of rap groups Erik B. &Rakim.

Shecter, who did his first rapping on a radiostation in Philadelphia, works at WHRB, Harvard'sradio station. He runs a show called "Street Beat"with his roommate Go-go Dave (alias David M. Mays'90) on Fridays from 10 p.m. to midnight. Shecteris also acting in the play Gang's NewThreads, a rap musical to be staged inLeverett House February 18, 19, and 20.

As for B.M.O.C.'s immediate future, Shectersaid the group had "plans in the works" for avideo.

Ratner said the group's songs may also formpart of the soundtracks for two upcoming movies:"Colors," starring Sean Penn, and Eddie Murphy's"Quest."

The single was not available in the Square bypress time yesterday

wiz khalifa seems to have created this lane for these dudes & i would imagine there's something like a 99.9% overlap in the sam adams / wiz khalifa fanbase (that dosent work in the other direction)

this isnt harvard rap chris its more like big ten rap

big ten rap like a basketball player

i am going to advise shakey mo not to bother with this thread because the music is by and large mediocre & because there will likely be a lot of theorizing about demographics based on anecdotal evidence just fyi

Born as Samuel Adams Wisner, Adams attended Hobart and William Smith Colleges for two years where he played for the Statesmen soccer team. He studied political science at Trinity College, Hartford

how much you want to bet he's a libertarian

waiting patiently for lolz

i mean look man, this shit has existed since rap began. Every school had the funny dude that rapped. Its just that no one gave it any attention until Asher tried to pull the great rap n race swindle. The only reason that rappers cosigned his wack and terrible ass is because the industry was going into the shitter and everyone wanted to be align thenselves with the safe bet as to where the money was gonna be.

yeah he also had a minor hit but

these guys are riding the 'i smoke weed & listen to rap & im a chill dude' wiz khalifa philosophy to white rapper $$$$

i think whats new here is that they're picking up an audience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9zqpAFYUU

based on the number of hair flips i suspect this girl wants to smash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmEpkztK5Lw

see to me this def feels like a big step further on the whitewashing scale than vanilla ice or eminem ever did

fart rap

well i've finally heard mac miller, uggghhhhhhhhhh

the name 'mac miller' makes me think hes gonna come out wearing a no limit tank chain

if mac & master p had a baby, hed be a white boy named 'mac miller'

where is ethan's thread about rappers having names that make you think they're going to sound totally different than they do

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/093/953/original/SCUMBAG%20STEVE.jpg

the name 'mac miller' makes me think hes gonna come out wearing a no limit tank chain

― deej, Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:57 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

deej is REALLY into fratrap.tumblr.com

okay this is my first time listening to dude too

sounds like disney channel rap or something

are we sure this isn't just aaron carter using an alias

(re: mac miller)

this feels like the ilm equivalent of a new york times trendpiece

the interesting thing about that video is that even tho it's a white dude rapping they still managed to shoehorn in a scene where a nerdy white dude gets in a circle and does bad dancing and everyone is like "lol white people"

haha, i didn't watch that long

they see Nas as the most recent musical prophet in a line stretching from Jimi Hendrix - > Bob Marley

― deej, Saturday, March 12, 2011 5:20 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark

this part is prob true

i don't see any evidence that these guys are popular at all, let alone moreso than OF

that mac miller knock knock 'kool aid' video has nearly 5 million youtube views

just fyi

frats like andre nikatina

I thought

we're old

i know ppl listen to mac miller cuz i've heard his name prior to this outside of ilm

qed motherfuckers

ime frats used to like popular rap. ludacris. 'big pimpin.' but frat dudes dont care about, like, black eyed peas and flo rida now

mac miller's 'donald trump' video came out one week ago and has more than 1 million views

is mac miller signed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74TFS8r_SMI

and the song sucks too!

sam adams 'i hate college remix' has 5 million views

this guy is really way worse than asher roth

for scale, the 'yonkers' video was tweeted by kanye west and still doesnt have 3 million views

and sam adams afaik hasnt been on national television either

tbph i find his flow on "donald trump" generic enough to be inoffensive, and the beat's not bad; i could see something like this, but with an actual hook of some sort, being a hit

(nb I said flow not lyrics — if i tried to pay attention to the latter i would get rolling-induced eyestrain before he stops to take a breath)

mike posner has hits, i wouldn't be surprised if this other stuff became popular

i don't find it very interesting tho bcuz it pretty much exists in its own universe

take over the world, watch ilm get mad

sam adams has been around for a while -- i'd seen his name before

idk what else to say about this stuff

it sucks

ime frats used to like popular rap. ludacris. 'big pimpin.' but frat dudes dont care about, like, black eyed peas and flo rida now

― deej, Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:19 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

btw i think it's wrongheaded to say that frat guys aren't into popular rap anymore -- these types of dudes are into drake, kanye, wiz and cudi especially

lupe is gonna sell 250k albums this week, i think males 18-25 are prob a large part of his fanbase

wiz is a big point of crossover tho

i don't see any evidence that these guys are popular at all, let alone moreso than OF

― J0rdan S., Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:15 PM (42 minutes ago)

i go to school in new england and everyone knows who sam adams is, unfortunately

btw i think it's wrongheaded to say that frat guys aren't into popular rap anymore -- these types of dudes are into drake, kanye, wiz and cudi especially

lupe is gonna sell 250k albums this week, i think males 18-25 are prob a large part of his fanbase

― J0rdan S., Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:33 PM (27 minutes ago)

this seems to be otm

xp that's just regional tho -- someone in cali would say the same thing about jerking

anyway these types of dudes have popularity, yes -- how much popularity i have no idea

i heard about sam adams via this (black) aspiring rapper dude who is in a frat that would sometimes link to his shit on facebook (this was before i hid him from my news feed)

i don't see any evidence that these guys are popular at all, let alone moreso than OF

― J0rdan S., Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:15 PM (42 minutes ago)

i go to school in new england and everyone knows who sam adams is, unfortunately

― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Saturday, March 12, 2011 7:01 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://grab.by/9rn0

i think i just turned old

We opened for lupe at a small white liberal arts college last year. 2000 ppl or so. Jordan is correct in his assessment of lupe's audience

The reason why wale's album bricked is cuz he and his label tried to connect with that market but I don't think he's fratty enough

His restarted career with maybach music seems to make more sense to me

j0rdan i know lupe & those guys are big w/ frat audiences too.

i think this is a break w/ that though ... these are artists who are frat-popular w/out being otherwise popular

this shit is appalling, want to declare 100% allegiance w/goon crew on this, but "more popular than odd future" = because of YouTube views? not sure that's really a reliable gauge of popularity, tyler's on national tv, these guys are Popular On The Internet

lol IOW co-sign w/deej's last post. frat types are into all kinds of lame shit that normal ppl are repulsed by

i know thats not proof but there is no proof of anything any more -- we're lost in a sea of non-evidence of popularity -- my pt in bringing up youtube views is to show that just because we hear a lot about odd future in our social world doesnt mean there isnt another world out there that is paying attention to different stuff

i think the odd future focus of our blogosphere lately has been a bit myopic

& jordan's dismissive "well thats just like regional rap else where" thing ... so?? do those ppl deserve less weight than us because some of us happen to have blogs or write for publications?

another world out there that is paying attention to different stuff

this has been the case throughout history though - as long as I've been listening to music I've been occasionally running across stuff where I go "really? people like that?" and then it turns out there's a whole huge demographic that just was off my general radar. yr right w/general observation that one's own focus tends to distort the broader picture but the broader picture has always kind of been more a conceit than an Actually Obtainable Thing

imo

but my main point was everybody otm this music is terrible

i guess i was teh one to big challenge on that since i claimed these guys are bigger than odd future but allow me to posit it this way then: "it is my theory that this stuff is actually galvanizing a really large group of people with considerably less media attention, a group of people the size of which is underestimated & may in fact exceed the popularity of a group like odd future, possibly"

i was the one to BEG a challenge

deej otm i know nothing of these frat rappers but i knew some frat boys and i've heard of like phish and widespread panic and the "underground" frat circuit is not to be underestimated.

these guys get youtube hits sure but would people really buy this stuff

like are people listening to this for reasons beyond the lol irony factor of white dudes rapping

yeah I can dig that, I mean what I'd say then is lots of popular stuff isn't really that interesting & that's why people who care about rap might have something to say about Odd Future but not about this -- it's just kind of a depressing albeit well-liked among some people thing, you know? I mean this is how I feel about pop & pop crit for the past 5+ years, myself, it's like lots of smart people wanna have something to say about Justin Bieber who I think deserves about exactly as much att'n as this stuff, because the music is garbage. And it always feels forced when mainstream critics are writing about what feels/sounds like a wasteland of crap in the pop world at the moment. You know? so odd future: if you love rap, you can sink your teeth into it, even if you don't like it you'll be able to get some riffs going about it, it feels worth talking. This? all you can really say is "yup...some people think McDonald's is great food to feed to your children, too" - food critics don't write about McDonald's, right

i dont think anyone's listening to this for irony except for us

i agree w that post, kurt novoselic of the band nirvana

I wasn't dismissing Kevin's point about Sam Adams, but the reality is that his popularity is prob skewed in the New England area -- I hear ace hood on the radio a ton here but I don't think it means that he's popular elsewhere

I think they're less deserving of our attention cuz the music sucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_psMU63b7I

thing is like - unlike OF, these guys are not being pushed by critics...or rap blogs...or MTV or anything - yet they're still well-known among a certain cohort of ppl. that means something, i'm not sure what

sublime is also well known among a certain cohort of ppl, so is O.A.R.

idk yes the music is terrible (to my ears) but if they can garner some kind of following in this day of balkanized music taste and make a living off of this, and the music is harmless, more power to them I guess, even if they won't be blowing up on pitchfork anytime soon

oh fratrap.tumblr.com is a real thing... huh

yeah I mean like I say there's lots of music that's just kicking ass in the marketplace without much critical att'n. Creed, for several years, were selling out arenas & scanning insane numbers and nobody who cared about music had ever heard of them. Devotchka sells & draws like you wouldn't believe. world is huge, lots of populations/demographics that we don't even hear or think about because we do not dig what they're into

yah idk how much i have to say abt this as it relates to the rap game or w/e but its basically children's music - super simple, focus on repetitious sing-along chorus, void of introspection, v 'functional', its p tedious but understandable as party music.

like idk maybe theres something interesting in the way that college age kidz are making blithe & unthinking party rap music instead of dmb-esque acoustic guitar shit & how 'rap' is basically the dominant pop idiom now, & blah blah blah

thing is a lot of frats have like a 'rap dude'---some guy in the house that prides himself on a) his knowledge of the genre ('i'm pretty into hip-hop') and b) freestyles when he's drunk, and is actually ok at it.

throw in a frat brother that can 'make beats' (ie copy shit from the 90s) and some lyrics that are written expressly for the enjoyment of frat party attendees and you have an act that can book shows on a frat house circuit

they'll make no money on merch, get paid in beer and weed, but they'll make a ton of casual fans ("oh dude i totally saw these guys at AD when i was a sophomore...it ruled! totally smoked up the DJ") and possibly parlay that into a touring act that plays college towns exclusively.

our v own aerosmith has played on TV (great work btw), but widespread panic has sold out red rocks 35 times (according to wiki) and i'd hazard one of those gigs is more lucrative than the other, both in the short- and long-term

basically: OF on Kimmel and Kanye's twitter ain't shit.

omg so many truth bombs in that post

Only tangentially related but: I went to see Chromeo in Oakland recently - I know they're not especially liked on ILM but I love them - and was shocked at the percentage of fratty bros in attendance. IME frat dudes like Sublime, RHCP, popular rap, or around here Bay Area rap, but tongue-in-cheek French-Canadian 80s-style electro R&B? Who knew?

OAR is freaky stealth popular. There's a whole scene of dave matthews diaspora stuff that is creepy big. I just saw a live thing of some oar type band that I'd never heard of and never seen mentioned on ilx or by anyone I know. The live footage was from a sold out madison square garden

The Arcade Fire aren't THAT bad.

OAR played my university's spring break festival xp

OAR/Widespread/DMB too imo et al are all part of what I consider the post-Dead extension - they came into existence when the Dead were still touring & a generation of mobile, connected college kids were starting to get into Dead shows but then Jerry died in, what, '95? and all these bands that were establishing a foothold sort of rushed to fill the space left by following the Dead all summer, and they had enough chops & affinity for the audience that they really managed to secure a spot

this is my half-assed ill-thought-through but long-held theory anyway

Yeah, that seems about right.

no that is pretty much true -- those bands are much more about smoking weed and nostalgia for things you never experienced (woodstock) than it is about frats or w/e

as an aside: who actually ~makes more money~ from music (not side ventures): kanye or the roots? like, seriously---i have seen the roots exactly twice and once was in 2002 (college show at sold out field house---so, thousands) and the other was at the x-games lol in 2005 which was broadcast live on espn

obv i'm guessing kanye makes more money (economies of scale), and more people have heard of him, but i guess my real question is: how much money can you make ~per fan~ by touring v. album sales? the frat-circuit (which extends waaaay beyond frats btw) is insanely lucrative, i'd think. college events boards and frat houses pay more than shitty dives, and if there's enough booze andno one's actively bored, then every show nets like 100% name-recognition

NB this may only apply to "small liberal-arts colleges that are relatively isolated."

wow I have never heard of OAR

also those bands that aero mentions & that we're talking about all go out and do festivals all summer & festivals none of us have ever heard of -- pretty much anywhere in the US where there is a large field or campground, somebody will organize a jam band festival, TONS of ppl will show up to get stoned, and tons of jam bands will play there -- and this happens every summer, all summer

OAR/Widespread/DMB too imo et al are all part of what I consider the post-Dead extension - they came into existence when the Dead were still touring & a generation of mobile, connected college kids were starting to get into Dead shows but then Jerry died in, what, '95? and all these bands that were establishing a foothold sort of rushed to fill the space left by following the Dead all summer, and they had enough chops & affinity for the audience that they really managed to secure a spot

this is my half-assed ill-thought-through but long-held theory anyway

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:33 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, that seems about right.

― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:35 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no that is pretty much true -- those bands are much more about smoking weed and nostalgia for things you never experienced (woodstock) than it is about frats or w/e

― J0rdan S., Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:36 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

nah

yr all missing the point i think

xp wait maybe not: jordan--my point was that any 'fratty' band (jam or rap or w/e) can do that.

wait til ou find out what the name stands for xxp

kanye probably makes a good deal more per engagement right now, but because he's trading on celebrity, his arc is defined. bands like Widespread Panic can work for thirty years if they want and consistently make millions of dollars every year; often these bands own their own buses, have full gear sponsorships, etc. people who're into Kanye are into the narrative of when he got good & does he keep getting better or when does he "start to suck," etc -- this narrative doesn't appeal to fans of the bands we're talking about; these bands consist largely of "players" (jazz dudes use this term just meaning "guys who can really play") who can hit a groove & hold it and that's not really something you lose if you're always out there, really you just keep getting better as long as your health holds. when you're a pop star your days are numbered. people who go see Ratdog in 2011 first saw Weir sing "Truckin'" in 1978.

like, they're on the 45th edition of this one http://www.campzoe.com/schwagstock45.html

gbx there is a lot of truth to what you're saying

the fact that the majority of their acronym consists of words that you don't put in acronyms should have been reason enough for your school to boycott this band. they should just be R.

xp to dayo

also what do they sound like? I don't want to youtube it

bonnaroo is obv a huge festival & they get tons of huge acts now but they still bill the string cheese incident on the same line as lil wayne

that is real talk, aero

but i still think that the main thing as far as the jam-band/college lol issue is concerned w/r/t to 'frat rap' is that the dead extension kinda carved out a bunch of trade routes that lead to weird underground popularity that can outstrip, in money and devotion, the reach of 'main-stream' artists.

i mean ICP is the apotheosis of this shit---i'm guessin they are ACTUALLY more popular than the dead ever was

many xps lol saturday

(not to prompt a dead v. ICP popularity contest---just that ICP has, simply by existing ~when~ they exist, pushed more units and sold more tickets (maybe) than the Dead. )

OMG this shit is awful, just now hearing some of the youtubes posted. also- is that article whiney posted for real???

The group's third member is D.J. Kid Swift, a highly ranked professional disk jockey. "The d.j.of a rap album," Shecter explained, "is the guy who manipulates the record on the turntable to produce a scratching sound."

"They will probably be as big or even bigger than The Beastie Boys because they have total crossover appeal," Ratner said of the group.

"I've been interested in the music since rap came out, when I was around eleven years old," Shecter said in his Cabot House room, which is decorated with posters of rap groups Erik B. & Rakim.

like, this kid is explaining what a DJ is to harvard students?? eric b. & rakim referred to as "groups" plural? and bigger than the beastie boys/???? like.. fuck i dont even know what to say, this is so stupid

also- is "O.A.R." a play on the term "A.O.R."? never heard them btw but am v aware of their existence in the dave matthews fanbase world

O.A.R. (short for Of a Revolution) is an American rock band

looooool wtf

also what do they sound like? I don't want to youtube it

I think they have a trumpet player?

what ethnicity is he

he may have dreads

so he's white?

*nods*

*lols*

is that article whiney posted for real???

Not only is it real, I think everyone on this thread missed a certain something a few paragraphs in:

Brett Ratner, a sophomore at New YorkUniversity, is the group's manager and executiveproducer. "I heard a demo of the group, I thoughtthey were great and I thought the Harvard imagewas great," he said. "So I got $10,000, finishedthe record, and got a five-record deal with Sire."

Yes, THAT Brett Ratner.

yep. article is from 1988, not everyone knew what a DJ was, ilxor

also like frat audiences are responsible for like 95% of the dubstep bought in america, mostly by people youve never heard of, with like the other 5% being the dubstep pitchfork writes about and we post about

yeah, i've been holding onto this theory that dubstep is the new jam music

this seems like a claim that you'd want to support with figures or links to sales stuff or something, even with the qualifier "like" in front of the "95%"

dude, when ppl on 4chan have 400 post threads about dubstep, they're not talking about "King Midas Sound" and shit

I don't think more made up statistics is what aero was asking for

Thanks to this type of thread I've developed a morbid fascination with these types of bands. I actually like Widespread Panic a bit, but I was already familiar w/ them since I have some frat bros in the extended family. never listened to OAR tho. As someone whos aspires to be involved in the performing side of music someday, should I be worried about lettting this stuff into my head? I'd hate to start busting out the DMB's "Warehouse" riff by accident.

As for dubstep being the new jam music, thats OTM. I started going to EDM parties in Portland in 2007, when it was the last tail end of jaded techno scenesters (glory days: 1999), a smattering of E'd up baby gangsters, and a young hardcore raver group in attendance. Then dubstep hit, and I see football jocks from high school at all the big raves now. I knly know this b/c I see it on facebook, not from attending

Fascinating info-graphic of Widespread Panic's career of touring, which starts around the time the Dead release "Touch of Grey" solidifying the jam band thing among Gen Xers in Southern college towns. Roachclips and golf clubs.

http://www.thebarnpresents.com/wp-content/uploads/wsp25.jpg

full sized
http://www.thebarnpresents.com/wp-content/uploads/wsp25.jpg

my theory is based purely on personal anecdotes etc -- just feel like lots of stoners i come across are listening more to beat based music nowadays, and that leans a lot towards dubstep since it's not dance oriented

if those guys ever listen to some black metal high it's gonna totally broaden their horizons

it took me way too long to figure out what those mysterious boxes and arrows on that chart were

O.A.R. is well known for its live performances because the band often creates variations to songs at each concert, making it rare to hear a song played the exact same way twice. The band also incorporates jam elements in their concerts, resulting in many of their live songs running anywhere between 5 and 18 minutes each. O.A.R.'s unique concert performances have led many people to believe they are one of the top live bands today.

At their live shows, O.A.R. has been known to cover a variety of songs by artists such as Bob Dylan, U2, the Grateful Dead, Billy Joel, The Beatles, Simon and Garfunkel, and Bob Marley.

Genre

They seem to lie between several genres. We should at least add ska as a genre.
Barrett Ross (talk) 21:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

- do you have any rationale for this? They don't feature a big selection of ska.. only a few songs. They definetly used to be on the jam circuit though. If anything, their genre should be Corporate Pop, as the creative aspect of their music has been lost to the unwilling mainstream.

"my theory is based purely on personal anecdotes etc -- just feel like lots of stoners i come across are listening more to beat based music nowadays, and that leans a lot towards dubstep since it's not dance oriented"

Except lots of people dance to it! Makes sense tho. And it neatly avoids the latent "disco sucks" mentality of the US general public. SHould we really be hat bummed that rave is finally crossing over here? Maybe something good will come out of it

is there a name for the self-perpetuating cycle of distribution that happens at American colleges, like the scene of a doe-eyed freshmen arriving on campus and being given a burned Pavement CD with a "Listen to this! It'll blow yer mind" uttered by some wizened, alt junior

At one point it would have been 'college radio trainee orientation'

Haha Ned served that function for me as a homeschooled 14 yr old getting into Dinosaur Jr

Wait...I did? How?

Dude, allmusic.com changed my life. I think I read your review of "Where You Been" and DL'd the whole thing, eventually buying all the albums.

Ned's reviews got me into Nick Drake iirc

at a similar age

Really, I spent an obscene amount of time tracking down bands on there. Anything that mentioned "stuttering feedback snorts" etc. was guaranteed a listen. Once you get a fuzz habit, the tendency is to push it as far as it can go.

Homeschooling can really fuck a kid up, but by golly I was hip. I was pretty sure I was the only kid in town who listened to "Hex". Then again, I didnt know any other kids : p

try breaking out of your shell

Nah, its very refined and cosy in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JOl3YaDCQI

Nutty. Well, glad to be able to help! Seriously, that's pretty cool.

i hate to be this guy, but franklin this isn't THAT ned raggett

Please, I'm trying to help him here and you are shattering his crystal palace.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

also like frat audiences are responsible for like 95% of the dubstep bought in america, mostly by people youve never heard of, with like the other 5% being the dubstep pitchfork writes about and we post about

― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:04 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

seriously over the last year or so i've had so many confused conversations with people about dubstep who're like 'oh rad you like dubstep?? who do you like??' and i'll mention some names and they'll mention some names and we'll slowly realize there's literally no overlap

i've been trying to figure out why this is

dubstep is just an illusion hoos

flopson otm about dubstep!

i had genuinely assumed mac miller was a comedian. rather than just "as morally reprehensible as a comedian"

saying you like "dubstep" is like saying you like "pop" or "rock" or "indie"

yeah i guess it is the 2k11 equivalent of using "techno" to mean "all electronic dance music"

its definitely an internet myopia thing on your part HOOS. Like the circles we travel (Pitchfork, Quitus, Dusted, Brooklyn Vegan, blogs, ILX) treat dubstep as this post-Burial thing of murky sounds and moody textures (King Midas Sound, 2562, James Blake, Mount Kimbie, Shakleton, Zomby). Meanwhile--mostly thanks to Caspa & Rusko--there's been a whole other scene taking over bro-dudes who are into things like Coachella and Deadmu5 (Skrillex, Bassnectar, Trillbass, Boregore).

Problem is, rock critics only cover the former, and I think I like the brostep latter BETTER.

its def like when you say "indie rock" you mean Arcade Fire and Sonic Youth, but to other people it means Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon (ie, shit that gets half the writeups of the shit we like but sells enormo numbers)

its def like when you say "indie rock" you mean Arcade Fire and Sonic Youth, but to other people it means Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon (ie, shit that gets half the writeups of the shit we like but sells enormo numbers)

this is otm but in order to retain my cheery disposition I have to pretend he is notm

I would def lump Arcade Fire in with Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon and not with Sonic Youth.

challops4u

wow, I must be really out of touch -- I'd have assumed quote-unquote "fratty" electronic tastes would run more toward that big grinding straightahead electroish stuff like Deadmau5 or Skrillex

Whiney mentioned both of them a few posts back!

oops sorry Whiney, you just said that! but do folks really conceive of that stuff as "dubstep????" I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal

but do folks really conceive of that stuff as "dubstep????"

They do now. In fact that post of Whiney's so perfectly crystallizes the split in conception/definition at work that I won't be able to think of it any other way.

xp bros listened to Prodigy and Fatboy Slim too..

yeah, googling "skrillex dubstep" really firmly answered that question for me. meanwhile, the 8 billion publicity emails I've gotten about him all just say "electro."

xpost -- prodigy seems exactly right!

Crystal Method too. All that 'mainstream' big beat stuff, bros listened to. I remember someone 10 years ago - could've been on ilm - making fun of bros for saying they liked electronica "because they listened to Sasha & Digweed."

Justice surely is another bridge at work here.

where's your head at

btw, I imagine it's super-rare that I type the exact same sentence as Whiney about something, but:

what hath asher roth wrought

^ this is, verbatim, the sentence I used when I heard Tom Hanks's son rapping about Northwestern ("White and Purple") and shouting out dorms

i followed rapping hanks son on twitter for a min, he wasnt even funny :/

i'm the rappin hanks and i'm here to say

In fact that post of Whiney's so perfectly crystallizes the split in conception/definition at work that I won't be able to think of it any other way.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:42 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is like the tiniest of small victories, but feels good nonetheless :)

Yeah the Big Beat era version of brostep was like def Crystal Method. Except stuff like Prodigy/Fatboy Slim def had both Spin/bro crossover. I don't think ANY dubstep/"dubstep" artist is successfully reaching both audiences right now!

yeah the "The Two Dubsteps" thing is def a separate matter, I was just responding to the "now bros think it's ok to listen to electronic music" thing.

The Two Dubsteps reminds me of The Two Emos.. seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno

http://grab.by/9rPk

"The Two Dubsteps"

I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal

can we please not mention one of the secretly best albums of the '00s in connection w/ this mass popularization of electro/dubstep ;_;

yeah, that band that sells out arenas and scores disney movies is a huge secret. don't tell anyone

seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno

― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, but mopeyemo had like a solid 10 years of indie-level post-Rites Of Spring star tattoo messenger bag ish before the other thing sort of grew as a logical mainstream Alt-Press extension of it. The two dubsteps both sort of came to their peaks of attention at the same time!

which is why it's confusing. It's not like the 10 year gap between Black Flag and Youth Of Today on some "don't call this hardcore, this is not what I call hardcore" hairsplitting. Its two distinct sounds with two distinct audiences, rising at the same time, both with the same name and often completely unaware of the others' existence!

yeah, that band that sells out arenas and scores disney movies is a huge secret. don't tell anyone

one of the secretly best albums of the '00s

i.e. the one everyone writes off as way inferior to Homework (zzzzz) and Discovery

When local clubs around here started putting on dubstep nights is when I first realized "Okay they can't ALL be sitting around listening to Kode9."

I mean, this disparity might say a lot more about the sheltered world that WE (as music nerds/hipsters/indie-type/et al) live in, than the way fratbros react to music. I mean, I had like 900 posts in the last three years like "No one listens to dubstep" when I really meant "No one listens to the type of lol dubstep we talk about, because I'm mostly unaware of this bigger trend also occuring"

deej would you mind if we changed the thread title to "frat rap (also brostep and mainstream-indie discussion too)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpmkJD26A7E

learning abt "brostep" may force me to redo hipness rankings for some of my casual acquaintances

because there are definitely ppl i have seen make comments about "dubstep" on facebook or w/e and i just assumed they were talking about cool artistically-credible underground music

and even when it seemed out-of-character i just sorta went "well good for burial! never thought american audiences would be so into this sound!"

basically i have been living a lie
a dream from which i am just now waking up

turns out those losers were just having a good time

a lil late on the jam band vibes but its scene i find p fascinating - gbx generally v otm on the topic is widely off here:

(not to prompt a dead v. ICP popularity contest---just that ICP has, simply by existing ~when~ they exist, pushed more units and sold more tickets (maybe) than the Dead. )

― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the dead were the highest grossing touring act in the world for years, icp play areans, its not even close - and then THIS:

our v own aerosmith has played on TV (great work btw), but widespread panic has sold out red rocks 35 times (according to wiki) and i'd hazard one of those gigs is more lucrative than the other, both in the short- and long-term

― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude i think youre forgetting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfNmyxV2Ncw

i mean

Can ILM's board description be changed to "music and how to hate on it" please?

i guess i wonder who first began marketing this music to them as "dubstep"

like, the other meaning was pretty well-established before brostep appeared, no?

it reflects a very strange position in the world is all. like learning that someone reads "legal thrillers" that are actually magazines full of stories about dumb criminals.

or an offshoot from the "original" dubstep evolved into something other people wanted to listen/dance/party to, who knows...

the dead were the highest grossing touring act in the world for years, icp play areans, its not even close

mea culpa

xp no it sucks

not that i have anything invested in "the 'original' dubstep" — i just didn't realize the extent to which the term had been genericized. like i understand that "rave" = any kind of lowest-common denominator thumping electronic tedium, but i didn't realize the same thing had happened to what i still think of as a fairly narrow 'boutique' genre term. (better analogy than the 'legal thriller' one would be learning that millions of ppl think of "Hey Soul Sister" as 'freak-folk')

Homework (zzzzz)

― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:21 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark

you're dead to me

so ive just listened to some of this bro step and its connection to the murky ilxorian dubstep is p clear - its like someone just applied a corny populist party filter to it - on a side note its kinda hilarious that this should happen to dubstep in that it seems to be music that takes itself seriously

xp yeah hundreds of people dancing is "tedium" and sitting at home learning how to better disapprove of your friends' musical tastes doesn't suck. got it.

i knew a dude that went to this -- never heard of any of these "dubstep" artists

http://www.clubzone.com/events/view_event_image.asp?/events/images/324657/324657-1.jpg

itt americans talk about dubstep :(

When local clubs around here started putting on dubstep nights is when I first realized "Okay they can't ALL be sitting around listening to Kode9."

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:21 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark

hahahaha yes i remember in like 2006 i went to dubstep night at this club in austin and it was literally a bunch of ilxor-lookin-boys standing with their hands in the hoodie pockets and headphones around their necks nodding their heads sagely, then years later i realized there were like 5 dubsteps nights downtown now and that they couldn't all be ilxor lookin boys in hoodies not-dancing

xp yeah hundreds of people dancing is "tedium" and sitting at home learning how to better disapprove of your friends' musical tastes doesn't suck. got it.

― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:17 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

to all kinds of music

'pop music'
'club music'
'hippity-hop music'

but i would honestly rather dance to lady gaga than this shitty shitty shit

(i don't like lady gaga very much and i think she is just okay for dancing to, if that wasn't clear)

your hipness ranking was in jeopardy til you cleared that up

yeah hundreds of people dancing is "tedium" and sitting at home learning how to better disapprove of your friends' musical tastes doesn't suck. got it.
― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:17 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

i know it's ilx but it's not 2005

so ive just listened to some of this bro step and its connection to the murky ilxorian dubstep is p clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeNSzJ2-Jw

^ listening back through something like this ... the big-wobbly-bass thing around 0:40 is obviously what I'd think of as dubstep, but so much other stuff -- the electroish sound palette, the regularity of the beats -- always makes me think of it some other way. (informative thread! learning and whatnot!)

Yeah it basically takes those wobbly Joker-like bass drops that sounds great when you are stoned and drops them into Crystal Method-style big beat, makes sense that it would play well in a jam band-y festival kind of setting.

also an important link in this whole dubstep discussion is probably study abroad programs

note I know nothing about dubstep but I see the word a lot on the internet

mac millar looks and sounds like he's missing at least a couple of important chromosomes, imo. like this is what happens when cousins marry, etc. fella is a walking, talking, mouth-breathing "whitest kids u know" sketch.

when a form of "british bass music" crosses the atlantic, you it's entered some sort of mannerist, walking dead phase.

x-post

http://www.metalinsider.net/site/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/bob-marley-jimi-hendrix-t-shirt11-300x300.jpg

hehe, i love those shirts.

A few of my friends have been making fun of "dubstep" for maybe a year now and complaining about it being played in too many clubs. A few times I've gotten on a bit of a soapbox and scolded them for talking shit about a sub-genre that they clearly knew nothing about, since I'd never heard any kind of the post-burial stuff talked about on ilx in clubs. I just figured they heard a silly-sounding genre name and decided to pick on it and use it as a catch-all term for electronic music, sort of like the new "techno" or "electronica".

the dubstep bass-drops are such a weird motif to orient an entire genre around imo

i stumbled over that Salem album on my ipod before going on a run today, and gave it a listen cuz of this thread. it sucks.

the dubstep bass-drops are such a weird motif to orient an entire genre around imo

― deej, Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:04 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like the "mosh part" of anthrax songs :: NY hardcore

asked my 16-year-old Odd-Future listening son if he'd heard of rappers Mac Miller and Sam Adams mentioned upthread. He said he had--Miller he pronounced ok, Adams he said was terrible.

By coincidence an oar live thing was just on mhd.

I watched it. Pretty bad.

Also they have no connection to the dead or even wide spread. Not hippies.

Basically there are people for whom the first counting crows record is sgt peppers. Throw in a little dmb guitar center jackoffery and voila

just remembering that when I was at penn state for a summer like 8 years ago bros were listening to happy hardcore and sandstorm

brostep seems like a logical extension

people who're into Kanye are into the narrative of when he got good & does he keep getting better or when does he "start to suck," etc -- this narrative doesn't appeal to fans of the bands we're talking about; these bands consist largely of "players" (jazz dudes use this term just meaning "guys who can really play") who can hit a groove & hold it and that's not really something you lose if you're always out there, really you just keep getting better as long as your health holds. when you're a pop star your days are numbered. people who go see Ratdog in 2011 first saw Weir sing "Truckin'" in 1978.

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:44 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

this seems pretty otm to me - we ilxor-lookin dudes do love bands & artists whose story arcs parallel those whom we know and love

by the way, 200 posts and nobody's mentioned GIRL TALK yet

his popularity among ppl is kind of thoroughly distasteful to me

fyi mac miller's "all around the world" is produced by just blaze & includes a "SWAG" :-/

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i think this sort of is what this thread is getting at but "bros" are basically "hipsters" now, huh?

its weird how all the unpopular kids in high school "won" but it turns out that winning just means that jocks dress like you and listen to the same music you do

so many rappers/producers/ppl in the industry seem so damn desperate these days

max otm — my pithy comment of choice for summing up this situation was "it turns out everyone and everything you run away from eventually follows you to the places you made cool"

^^^ this is why you keep running and how cool cycles imo

"it turns out everyone and everything you run away from eventually follows you to the places you made cool"

have you... made internet message boards cool?

well this was framed more in terms of cycles of gentrification and 'urban renewal' & shit, but i think it obviously applies metaphorically to certain aesthetic choices

not sure whether 'posting on an internet message board' is one of those choices tho

number of college students posting on this thread and board is miniscule I am assuming (number of high school student likely even smaller)

wait wait wait, from waaaaaay upthread: BRETT RATNER????

Okay I'm glad YOU noticed that.

btw just for further context on the demographics in question: the highest-voted comment* on that skrillex vid nabisco posted yesterday was (paraphrasing from memory) "Skrillex, I'm taking you into custody... for causing the Japanese earthquakes!"

(not tryna be all cap'n-save-a-public-decency here, but i generally prefer my tasteless humor to be a bit more clever than "lol this bass kills ppl" (but then again, that comment was probably posted by a 15-year-old))

*: it has since dropped off the front page, replaced by

ɟʇʍ ˙˙˙˙˙ʇxǝʇ ʎɯ oʇ sıɥʇ pıp doɹp ssɐq ǝɥʇ

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http://www.youtube.com/v/WSeNSzJ2-Jw&fs=1&hl=en

^ listening back through something like this ... the big-wobbly-bass thing around 0:40 is obviously what I'd think of as dubstep, but so much other stuff -- the electroish sound palette, the regularity of the beats -- always makes me think of it some other way. (informative thread! learning and whatnot!)

― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the dubstep bass-drops are such a weird motif to orient an entire genre around imo

― deej, Sunday, March 13, 2011 4:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

to me, tempo and beat-style is a more important connection between the different kinds of dubstep that we're talking about (compared to sound palette/LFO-based basslines). at this point anything hovering about 140 bpm is going to be called dubstep.

like how anything around 120 with a four-on-the-floor kick is going to be talked about in terms of "house", whatever little subgenre it might occupy.

btw this thread is totally otm about dubstep in the u.s.. i only became aware of it a few months ago...i mean, i consider myself a dude keeps up with electronic music, i've got a vested interest in it, but i live in a midwest college town and was like "who are these dudes (like skrillex) selling out large-to-huge venues here whose names i've never even heard?"

does donal glover fit into this conversation in any way?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otPxoVQiIGo

the only person i know who listens to childish gambino praises him as the savior of "real rap" without having really listened to the genre. hates lil wayne too.

what was mike posner and kid cudi last year is mac miller and wiz khalifa this year. Fresh on Campus seems to be the go-to blog for this kind of crowd.

I thought the skrillex song was okay at first but I kind of hate how telegraphed the bass drop is, it's so functional

also it's probably shitty youtube qualiy but the mixing sounds like shit, all mid-high bass with no real bottom end - I'd have to listen to a HQ version to be sure, but it sounds like it was mixed to sound good on those cheap 400 watt computer speaker systems you can buy, which emphasize mid-bass

so i guess this is like the frat version of "toot it & boot it"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFjJGG4dkgg&feature=player_embedded

btw

yogi 37 up, 3 down
to have sex with a girl using no condom
I just hit a yogi last night

christ -- these dudes or dude or w/e are connected w/ ryan tedder (figures)

the singer on this one is the biggest doofus i've ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDtZDGslz-M&feature=player_embedded#at=184

can't believe "starting six" let the tiny dude into their group

it really undercuts the credibility of any song they do about sex

these are the types of dudes that end up on jezebel after a string of sexist emails gets leaked

song is kinda catchy but i'm gonna choose to go around singing it as "i ate a gnocchi, ate a gnocchi, ate a gnoooochiii"

difference being they probably intentionally leaked the e-mails xp

We have meanwhile been thinking in Dublin that what the world really needs is a compilation of white scobie rap from around the world - people like Die Antworte, Goldie Looking Chain, and The Rubber Bandits. There must surely be equivalents in Australia.

ok, "ironic" but still
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fvP4OACmWw

http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/article.php?article=32314

"zooniversity's uw-themed hip-hop is a social networking smash"

I am totally accidentally at a mac miller set right this second

nobody is discussing different vantages on dubstep, though, this thread is misleading

nabisco you better do a keg stand

Okay how are you 'accidentally' at a Mac Miller set.

"Oh my god, I'm sorry, I was looking for the Rebecca Black showcase."

i go to UM and that fucking "pursuit of jappiness" video is all that anyone has been talking about for like two months

http://www.spin.com/articles/behind-two-faces-white-rapper

n/m that's not really about frat rap that much

that jappiness video makes me more ashamed of my people than anything since kissinger

kissinger was a wolverine??

xpost to big beat, can i just

fratboy slim
the frat of the land

just heard 'i love college' in a cafe in darjeeling, rip civilization

its well known that th epeople of darjeeling love college

fart rap

shart rap

I'm sorry.

Can this be the one genre that it is unabashedly ok to 100% hate in a generalistic way, even on ILM? Please? Like if xhucx or scott or one of you other bastards bumps this thread one day and starts being all open-minded about it I'm just going to shoot myself because I will have lost the will to enjoy music.

love how all white boys have moved beyond that squeaky high pitched voice thing to a smokey drawl

Chet Haze- dope name, brah.

pass me a red cup http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

lol

ughhhh, wife was just watching new shitty Stacy Dash tv show Single Ladies and they brought Mac Miller on as their "hot new discovery"

this is a good thread *pats self on back*

man i have missed all of this bullshit entirely.

i dunno whether to commend you for your foresight or hate you, d.

idk what this is but it came up in my news feed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SMbpo9eF3I&feature=player_embedded#at=40

this dude's music is more gym class heroes than asher roth actually

he does apparently have a song called "january jones" that goes "you are so beautiful / you are my january jones"

"yep i cruise homes, just like suri"

HOODIE ALLEN
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"yep i cruise homes, just like suri"

― J0rdan S., Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/a/aa/DD_PrimeMinisterGunMouthA.jpg/600px-DD_PrimeMinisterGunMouthA.jpg

lol whiney

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2011/08/hoodie_allen_webster_hall_review.php

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QXmDW6dNA0

I think I'm doing this wrong...

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2011/08/hoodie_allen_webster_hall_review.php

― J0rdan S., Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:56 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

jeez do we get coauthor credit on this or

"Hoodie Allen" -- really?

It's very funny to go to a rap show (and yes, this was a rap show) where there are so few black people.

does rosenthal not go to rap shows in New York?

charming fellow

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltt4zrtpO91qag7ejo1_500.png

otm

nice of him to say 'girls' instead of 'bitches' lol

thoughtful rappers

ughhhh, wife was just watching new shitty Stacy Dash tv show Single Ladies and they brought Mac Miller on as their "hot new discovery"

― jaxon, Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:44 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark

haha mac miller doing a saigon-on-entourage on that show was one of the funniest things on tv all year

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/15083-lovers-holiday/

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/15683-peanut-butter-and-swelly/

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16074-camp/

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16113-blue-side-park/

gotta respect the 'fork for really making it their mission to unleash the hounds on this shit in 2011. though it's the highest score of the four, Yung Cohen's evisceration of the Theophilus London album is particularly satisfying.

those are fun reads but i feel like pf's preaching to the choir a bit on this one. childish gambino's already painted them as haters scared by him being an outsider to the game so i'm sure any cg fan who buys into that shit won't be easily swayed

haha, apparently Rich Hilfiger got booed off stage when he opened for Curren$y here

Mac Miller ‏@MacMiller
Just watched the butterfly effect. That movie was tight.

lmao

Hahahaha

Mac Miller ‏@MacMiller
Sometimes I wish I could start over. I wonder if that's possible, wish I knew if reincarnation was real

hoodie allen & i are like BFFs now btw

i wrote a rather scathing review of his show for the chi tribune & he tweeted a measured & nice response at me, which is rare. now we have conversations on twitter https://twitter.com/jordansarge/status/280113854791426048

he asked me for my email but nothing's come of that yet

noz and mm trolling each other on twitter is funny, mainly because the latter is so constantly trying to be all "look i'm not such a bad guy," guess you fell for it haha

where's my white rapper to have an antagonistic/friendly twitter relationship with? :(

i have an antagonistic history w/ Mr. Whitefolks but it hasn't been taken to twitter

oh wait i tweet w/ shamrock

shamrock is cool but it is kinda weird how these white rappers seek out white rap bloggers

tbf there are more of us than there are of them, percentage-wise

wasnt malkelmaore tweeting at one of you

wtf is a hoodie allen and how is he playing a venue as big as the showbox market?

http://www.iamfatterthanyou.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Hoodie+Allen+IMG_2326edited.jpg

like, what hip-hop look is that supposed to be? To me it says "improv comic" or "kid who peeped on you in the bathroom stall at the hebrew school retreat"

improv comic = spot on

feel like there's a joke about headshots in this

...

"Hoodie Allen"

I mean

"Hoodie Allen" -- really?

― Helping 3 (Hurting 2), Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

every frat rapper has the exact same fake new york accent, they are all from the same place, fake new york

plainview, ny, apparently

wtf is a hoodie allen and how is he playing a venue as big as the showbox market?

― chief keef olbermann (The Reverend), Wednesday, January 9, 2013 5:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

haha at least a couple times since i've been writing a show calendar there's been some unfamiliar name headlining a good-sized venue and i look them up and i'm like oh duh, frat rapper. most recent one was Chris Webby.

i believe Hoodie Allen's look is called "Mark Ronson" btw

Yo, have you heard the new Hoodie Allen record? Shit is BANANAS.

Feel like it hasn't quite caught yet though. Bit of a sleeper.

this is the thread where i think all of you are just fucking with me

Chance the Rapper is working with Hoodie Allen, apparently. Poor kid.

what hoodie allen song are you talking about

oh boy i guess i have to know who this guy is huh

so credible folks seem to be legitimately liking that mac miller record. it was inevitably going to happen within the next year or so, but still

what the fuck is going on here

http://gamereax.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/dantonistruggle.gif

http://instagram.com/p/ag5TV0s2GG/

i don't know who that guy is but he has ronald mcdonald eyebrows

It's like a more accessible odd future album. With worse rapping

oof worse rapping than odd future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaEv78RqoDw

Post-Macklemore flow

feel like this cldve gone a lil deeper http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/arts/music/white-rappers-geazy-mike-stud.html

remember when we discovered the two dubsteps itt, revelatory

the last couple of times i've reacted with a visceral "what the fuck is this GARBAGE" to music on the radio were both to songs that ended up featuring g-eazy

(the grace one and the marc e. bassy one)

man i have missed all of this bullshit entirely.

i dunno whether to commend you for your foresight or hate you, d.

― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 15 July 2011 01:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Story of my career

This stuff is extraordinarily easy to ignore, though. I get that these acts are taking a short cut to success, in a sense, but none seem to have cultural reach of black acts who do similar numbers. That's one thing their privilege can't buy them: relevance

(the article was spot on though; best exploration of the subject I've seen)

Story of my career

you're doing important ethnographic work here.

pun probably intended fuck it.

great piece

can't stop lol'ing at this photo tho

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/08/21/arts/21GEAZYJP3/21GEAZYJP3-master675.jpg

it's like something from the onion graphics department or one of those horrifying face swap apps

they lost me at "handsome ectomorph".

but for me this whole style reminds me as nothing so much as the various christian analogues of popular culture. the veggietales approach to hip-hop.

i need to catch up on Mac Miller real quick like.

started out frat rap, somehow worked his way into (quasi-?)credibility, critics about-faced on him at some point, now is putting out his "soul" album...does that sound about right? or no?

has he legit gone from joke/horror to decent?

He was never as terrible as people made him out to be. He did the whole "little brother discovers your Native Tongues CDs" thing well on Blue Slide Park

He sucks and he's always sucked and the marketing for him is "actually he's good this time" every time around

i don't know if i can listen to a mac miller album title "the divine feminine"

i can technically i guess but i never will

this one sounds like the death rattle of tasteful milquetoast kaytranadawave r&b

'watching movies w/ the sound off' is pretty neo soul influenced too but is good

it's funny that writers are buying the "it's a feminist album!" angle hook line and sinker when he put fuckin cee lo on it

lol

jeez

the marketing for him is "actually he's good this time" every time around

lol this is very true. But I found his old puppy dog on the playground stuff kind of likeable; it's his newer attempts to be an adult artist that are insufferable. He gets worse each year imo

lol this dude let himself be shamed into becoming an artiste when he went platinum on the frat rap circuit

chose a life of small stinky rooms full of earl sweatshirt fans over boning sorority girls in bathtubs full of money

tbf i'm not sure he could have sustained that audience

also, boning ariana has to count for something, i guess.

is she the one who said she hates america then licked a donut if so then yes, our most important celebrity

don't forget the (alleged) time she smiled winningly at her fans as they mobbed an elevator then when the doors closed wished out loud for their death. that was the one that converted me.

an inspiration truly

i'd bone

wld bone, follow into battle, ascend to the next level of consciousness etc

idk i think i like this album, although yes the idea that this is some feminist awakening does not really jive w/ the content

if the Watching Movies one is similar but better, maybe i should check that one out

Ariana's skit on SNL where she did vocal impressions was pretty great, these two seem like maybe they deserve each other

rip Mac Miller

Probably should have posted this somewhere other than a thread about "Frat Rap". I thought this was a joke at first.

It's being discussed in the "rolling face tat" thread (...I know)

lol

frat rap more like frat crap amirite

oh whoops i didn't see why the revive ... my bad :(

lol

omg chet!

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