the rectal prolapse of norman lamont: terrible post-britpop/dadrock ephemera

i am going to ban the living fuck out of you for putting kenickie in this poll

Worst, right?

the list isn't mine

kenickie need to be included cuz of lauren laverne's later career

worst

and yeah u know the score, vote for shittest

The Longpigs record was pretty good! Also, I kind of liked a couple of the 60 Ft Dolls singles. They kept getting a weird push in the U.S. that never went anywhere.

I remember the Melody Maker YOB ROCK cover

i have records by all but 6 of these bands. a prize for anyone who can guess which ones i don't have

Because the landfill bands were so so very bad, are we going to get nostalgic ilxors saying britpop/dadrock wasn't so bad after all now?

electricsound - nowaysis?

that is one, yes

also i have never heard of this "audioweb"

codreggae type thing

i was gonna say them actually

the gyres. shitty local band to me, you cant know them

18 wheeler?

Perfume? (tho the format is wrong there as it has 60ft dolls)

correct. also nothing by longpigs, supernaturals and smaller. i think i had a smaller 45. i should probably get some supernaturals because the hussys are one of my favourite bands

xpost no i have several perfume 45s

I saw Perfume at t in the park 95 i think. (Powder are the worst band i ever saw)
Supernaturals are awful. i fucking hated them and that Smile song. BASTARDS!!

There's a BBC Scotland documentary on The Gyres that should still be on youtube. Every local band sounded like that. From 13-30 age group.

dodgy
echobelly
embrace
gene
gomez
longpigs
menswe@r
sleeper
space
bluetones
60 ft dolls

I fuck w/ at least one song from each of these bands.

confused about number 1 cup being here as they are from chicago

every dubstar vote will make LJ cry, not that i'm trying to influence anyway..

none of these are actually dadrock except maybe Embrace and mmmmmmmmaybe Northern Uproar

and heaps of them are HEART of britpop, not post-

been playing a lot of dubstar recently

they deserved a better fate

no they didn't!

3 colours red - pretend Metal for kids who thought they were too clever for Metal but really weren't
18 wheeler - are these one of those sub-Teenage Fanclub tribute bands to Big Star? probably dire
divine comedy - I have enjoyed many of Neil Hannon's tunes in my time but let's be honest he doesn't do himself many favours
dodgy - scientists said it was impossible to make Cast sound like peerless sonic futurists but then these boys stepped up to the plate
dubstar - ah, the Nisa St Etienne, snore
echobelly - fact, nobody has ever listened to a whole Echobelly album without nodding off or deciding to do the laundry instead
embrace - lol Southall
gene - unique sounding band that sounded nothing like the Smiths. like them better than the Smiths
gomez - lads the idea is to pretend that you're not fucking students
hurricane #1 - Cromarty, light Southerly, 2 to 3
kenickie - no, i've got no idea either
longpigs - ah, it's the Tesco Blue Stripe U2. quite like
marion - totally unique sounding band that sound nothing like the Smiths
menswe@r - you can punchline them in as many gags as you want but I thought that one about being a superstar were alright
my life story - this is that twat who wants to be Jarvis Cocker right?
powder - fuck knows. must be interesting judging by their interesting name. is this the one with the Dutch lady VJ singer? cos they were terrible iirc
puressence - filed in my head under "shitty Manchester goths", never heard them knowingly
sleeper - it's not sexist if she realise is a braindead gobshite
smaller - not a fucking clue. name on a par with Powder
space - the 90s Scouting for Girls except without the charm
audioweb - is this lol False Metal as well? shit I assume
bluetones - quite liked that slow miserable one. think he was the drummer
geneva - is this Hooky? planet of the cunts if so
heavy stereo - lol get tae fuck
jocasta - sound like goths but I haven't got a scooby
midget - these are made-up now right?
monaco - or this is Hooky? Return to the Planet of the Cunts
northern uproar - i thought these was Heavy Stereo in drag or something?
nowaysis - about as good as their stalkees
number 1 cup - seen this vid, NSFW
perfume - shit name, taking a stab at shit band
60 ft dolls - i really really really hate these twats
rialto - it doesn't sound exotic, neither do you, fuck off, whoever you are
silver sun - these were fucking awful too
supernaturals - perky poppy pure poppers? fucking disgusting, wd run over in a tank
symposium - were these the ones that were 12? it was no excuse for being that shitty
the gyres - lol garage rock revivalists or something, like the Sealed fucking Knot of indie
tiger - really really shit
unbelievable truth - nope
warm jets - sorry

^fronting

18 wheeler - are these one of those sub-Teenage Fanclub tribute bands to Big Star? probably dire

werent they more shitty indie dance?
David Keenan (LOL) was in them (LOL)

dodgy - scientists said it was impossible to make Cast sound like peerless sonic futurists but then these boys stepped up to the plate

actually that whole post of yours is lol. The gomez one had me in stitches

space - the 90s Scouting for Girls except without the charm

See this is one of those examples of it being nice to have been in the States and been able to frame "Female of the Species" as some kind of disposable novelty hit and not realize they ever did anything else ever.

am voting for Space because thinking of the singer's face even now is raising my blood pressure

Salad had the dutch MTV VJ

Dave the Thief I think he was called

NV which singer in Space? There was 2 of the fuckers

the one with the face like a weasel

ahh the non ginger one. was it james or jamie?

the sister of one of G0m3z asked me if I thought they'd win the Mercury and I coughed and said something about it being a very open field that year

My contenders for worst of the worst:

3 colours red
embrace
hurricane #1
powder
sleeper
northern uproar
the gyres

Can't decide.

I met the drummer from Dodgy at Truckfest once, he was actually really funny and a pretty sound dude.

Also, is now the time to wheel out the always interesting fact that the guy from Jocasta was Dot Cotton's nephew? Or actually, maybe grandson or godson or something.

if you ever wondered if you could take 2 shitty britpop bands and cross them, would the sum of their parts result in a 10000% increase in shiteness or just double the horror ?
the answer was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caXkHq3Q0N8

Louise Wiener bringing all women ever into disrepute surely a vote-winner

"I've never thrown my knickers at you " "i dont come from wales" must be the worst lyrics in a chorus since any of catatonia & space's previous hits..

god theres so much to hate in this poll

Im pretty damn sure Space will win this poll

still like Ballad Of Tom in all its crapness tbh

smaller - not a fucking clue. name on a par with Powder

they got some press and gigs on the strength of Noel Gallagher having written a song about the singer liking to eat lasagne

^^ this is NO WORD OF A LIE

were the real people around then or were they around the time of the coral?

real people were late 80s early 90s

Audioweb. Surprised NV has forgotten this band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Rv59G12T4

Would have posted the TFI clip but it was really poor quality

even worse song possibly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY_XMqBrn6g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_NLFbuf2I

dodgy - lol geir hongro
echobelly - mehhhh
embrace - lol sick mouthy
gomez - isn't this a jam band or something??
menswe@r - not actively offensive
warm jets - fuck these guys for naming themselves after eno, haven't heard em though

voting......... oh who cares

warm jets had one really good single but the album was v embarrassing for using the word 'internet' in the lyrics somewhere

I saw Midget supporting Redd Kross around 1997. They were a steve lamacq approved band (yes a 3 piece pop punk band) they were fucking awful evening session pish.

Warm Jets supported Blur at the SECC on the s/t album tour. They were crap (blur were great)

(blur were great)

lol @ u

this was dreadful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0dowFS--gE

xp

oh i knew someone might want to have a go at blur

ooh no not the sacred cow

Check the Shine series of cd's for all britpop/dadrock horror (there's TEN of them)

If the longpigs are a sacred cow of british english music then quick get them to mcdonalds.

british indie, not english obviously

british english music

haaa

you guys should feel lucky you did not get TFI Friday with Chris Evans over there. Most britpop bands who appeared on that got a hit because of it.

ilxor youtube a track by beach band here and review it

fuck my typing is real shit tonight. i better go to bed

everyone vote for kenickie to annoy ilms true indie kids ;)

I liked a number of these bands (typically their first albums only), and Puressence is still going and producing good stuff.

However, for some inexplicable reason I have everything Warm Jets ever did.

I liked a number of these bands (typically their first albums only), and Puressence is still going and producing good stuff. However, for some inexplicable reason I have everything Warm Jets ever did.

everyone vote for kenickie to annoy ilms true indie kids ;)

sb'ing you if they get a single vote now

Wasn't Number One Cup a Chicago band?

Whither These Animal Men? (shudder)

Fuxake. No Way Sis were great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_XQdBWjQ1g

voted kenickie

I see whatshername from Sleeper virtually every morning when I drop my kids off at school.

No Kula Shaker?!

No Skunk Anansie

No Catatonia.

i hate these kind of polls.

Rialto are by far the worst of these bands that i have heard.

the best album is Embrace Drawn from Memory with Unbelievable Truth and the Bluetones having some good moments.

I see whatshername from Sleeper virtually every morning when I drop my kids off at school.

She's doing the same?

Yeah, she's one of the other parents there.

every dubstar vote will make LJ cry, not that i'm trying to influence anyway..

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 24 February 2011 01:44 (5 hours ago)

srsly why are they here, they started in like 1994 and sound a bit like a computerised Smiths gone dancepop

dodgy were really not too bad. the album 'free peace sweet' has some great moments, just needs trimming. 'good enough', 'ain't no longer asking', 'trust in time' can get to fuck but the rest is pretty sweet. 'one of those rivers' is epic cheese of the best kind, 'ukrip' is genuinely kickass etc etc

You're so off the mark there regarding Dodgy, LJ; Homegrown is a very good album but FPS is fucking bilge. Horrific nastiness.

this is probably the best song by any band listed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utMIlafWab8

let us never forget skunk anansie headlined the last night of the last glastonbury of the 20th century.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/churchill.jpg

come on son

re: marion, i think 'time' is vastly better than 'sleep'

had an ex who adored them so i know far more about their catalogue than i should

These Animal Men were pre-Britpop if anything xpost

My personal hall of shame - I have owned stuff (one-off singles mostly, if that's any excuse) by the following:
dodgy
dubstar
echobelly
gene
kenickie
longpigs
marion
powder
sleeper
bluetones
number 1 cup
60 ft dolls
warm jets

I've never owned anything at all by anyone on this list, didn't mind Tiger though

Disgraceful omissions in this thread, should have been a public consultation first, tempted to overturn this thread. Nakhchivan you are the Michael Gove of shit indie.

^^

Mansun written out of history.

some of it's a bit dodgy (geddit): 18 wheeler weren't post-britpop, dubstar weren't really part of dis ting [or is this a callback to the florence machines in the other poll?], etc

18 Wheeler were on Creation, they definitely count.

guys, guys, let's just agree that they're all shit and move on

(xpost re Tiger) They sounded like Wreckless Eric. On "Puppet Pal", or whatever it was called.

yeah iirc oasis's first tour was supporting them? im just debating the use of 'post' here. this is ilm, sir. it's what we do, endlessly.

xposts

You've done quite well on the Geirbait but poorly on the Jaggerbait, cf leaving off MANSUN and ULTRASOUND. Also including Razorlight in the other thread and not featuring Cast and Ocean Colour Scene is wrongwrongwrong.

Also including Razorlight in the other thread and not featuring Cast and Ocean Colour Scene is wrongwrongwrong.

i am not engaged by this list in the same way as the las: many of them were harmless infatuations of young manhood to me; some I still enjoy. Even the crap… it is more like handling curious fossil fewmets, where the landfill poll was like picking up fresh human shit, without gloves.

I'll think some more, and listen. Northern Uproar/Heavy Stereo seem the default answer, but I should check. Maybe they are lost classics. I dimly remember wanting to like Powder (based on images, Pearl obvs has indie-boy crush genes) and failing, so they must be fairly bad.

last, not las. I am not engaged by The Las at all.

I see whatshername from Sleeper virtually every morning when I drop my kids off at school.

― ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 February 2011 06:45 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://tonyvalderama.com/acatalog/profanisaurus-1-s.jpg

that's "drop the kids off at the pool", shurely?

this surprises me, in a way, but i cannot remember anything by heavy stereo

meanwhile, no seahorses no credibility

King Adora
Gay Dad
Shed Seven
Babybird

didn't want to think about who to vote for, just wanted to make a poop joke :/

oh man the Seahorses would have been proper contenders here, just for that slapper line alone. and, y'know, for sounding like Special Brewed-up buskers.

Used to be a big My Life Story stan; ok, well, we all make mistakes. Will still rep for Div Com (except for the last album, yeah that was bilge).

why do i get the feeling that that smug cock Babybird is still probably making albums somewhere? or y'know posting to ILX or something

he'd be one of the butthurt indies, obv

was about to post that there was a Babybird album last year actually

problem with Mansun is that everything pre-Six is very dated and sometimes awful (Stripper Vicar) (though at least kind of fun and very imaginative - they weren't just lumpen lazy meat and potatoes embrace shite), and everything post-Six is a complete mess. whereas that album itself = one of the bestest things ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0DaAphOjw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF94428VXsk

They also did a couple of great tracks with Howard Devoto that also win big time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oyokZ3PyHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvf609OvWMk

The Divine Comedy are probably the worst band on this list, most of the real shit on this list is kind of forgettable because the bands are clearly made up of neanderthal morons but Neil Hannon SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

The National Express is probably the worst record of the 90s.

who remembers when NME interviewed Symposium and made 'a thing' about the fact they were pro-life

xp well i skip that one obv.

The National Express is probably the worst record of the 90s.

― Matt DC, Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:15 AM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark

someone dear to me 'thought i might like this'. still hurts after nearly 13 years.

"National Express" is a metaphor for Britain being shit where the form expresses the content

Jake Shillingford from My Life Story once accidentally pissed on my hand while standing at a urinal in the King's Cross Water Rats. That's probably the most 90s sentence I've ever typed.

a viewpoint that needed to be sought xp to self

Funnily enough, though, the video for that song resonated with me. (DivCom NatExp)

If anyone can find me Steven Wells' review of the National Express I'll be very happy incidentally.

SHED SEVEN? WHERE ARE SHED SEVEN? THIS IS A DISGRACE.

I think Hannon's often brilliant; Promenade's an album I like a lot. But he does have a knack for writing worst-shit-ever contenders - National Express and that Indie Disco thing from last year.

This was my youth ;_;

Tiger were great, fuck all the haterz. OK, they were quite good, sometimes. Well, they had two songs I like (Friends and On The Rose), that's more than most of the list.

My 7" collection is full of many worse and/or more forgotten bands from this era, from the days when I'd go to HMV every Monday and buy new release 49p 7"s by anyone I'd vaguely heard of. Worst one I can currently recall: Annie Christian.

Worst from list: I can't recall a note of most of the ones I hated at the time but seeing the word Gomez brings the awful ear-scraping noise of their singer immediately to mind, so I may have to vote for them even though they're not the real worst.

18 wheeler - are these one of those sub-Teenage Fanclub tribute bands to Big Star? probably dire
werent they more shitty indie dance?

You are both right! 18 Wheeler started out twee mumbly indie-jangle on the first album and then added some dancey! beats! for the next one. They were rubbish but they are quite useful for laughing at David Keenan whenever he gets on some skronkier-than-thou screed.

(He left before the indie-dance phase; possibly he left before they were signed, actually, but I won't let that get in the way of laughing at him.)

I see there are youtubes of the two singles I remember, "Steel Guitars" (jangly phase) and "The Hours and the Times" ("there's always been a dance element to our music" phase), but I can't listen at work and I'm fairly sure embedding them would just be cruel.

shut the thread down Matt, it is indeed fucking awful

These Animal Men were pre-Britpop if anything xpost

absolutely, they were exEMplars of NWONW and disappeared once Britpop took over, Elastica were the only survivors afair

Babybird were genuinely split for about ten years, with S Jones doing solo things, until HUGE FAN JOHNNY DEPP personally paid for them to take time off their dayjobs and fly to LA to record a new album last year

^^ again, this story is 100% solid gold truth

except for the dayjob bit, that's just inference

didn't even realise they was a "band" tbh

Two words = the solo act, one word = band.

*points and laughs at this list, everyone on it & everyone who was taken in by it at the time*

between them i think the bands on this list were responsible for maybe two acceptable songs? neither of which i remember in any great detail

Annie Christian, Anti-Christ
Until U're crucified
I'll live my life in taxicabs

unh? That's rubbish!

Good: Dubstar, Kenickie
Tolerable for a song or two: Divine Comedy, Sleeper, Supernaturals
Ugh/eh: the rest

Sad I can't vote for the Seahorses because this right here is the ignominious death of Britpop. lex, for you this is what hell sounds like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18w84rpaqlg

Disgraceful omissions in this thread, should have been a public consultation first, tempted to overturn this thread. Nakhchivan you are the Michael Gove of shit indie.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 24 February 2011 09:54 (2 hours ago) Bookmark

the list was contributed by someone more knowledgeable in this field

cast/ocs/kula shaker get the kicking they deserve already, wd skew the poll

not sure abt mansun

Gay Dad
Shed Seven

accepted, but hey i think yall have enough to chose from

Gay Dad seem a bit late for this poll?

Gay Dad was first formed in 1994 by former Mojo and The Face journalist Cliff Jones

Add it to the list of things they were late for.

Mojo and the Face would be an A+ band name

Better than Gay Dad anyway

i thought the face was meant to be cool ;_;

On second thoughts, Tiger don't really belong here. This is great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQXJ0SL44Ac

Mojo and the Face would be an A+ band name

I'm going to start a Mod revival just use it

Yay!

You can be Mojo

3 colours red - lame gumby punk, ZZzzzz
18 wheeler - no memory of what these sounded like
divine comedy - vaguely remember these, seem to think the singer put too much of his creative enercy into his MM interviews, not enough into the band
dodgy - couple of half-decent tunes
dubstar - likewise
echobelly - ridic hott singer clouds my judgement of these, IIRC they sounded like the smiths a lot?
embrace - singer was almost as bad as BBY GLSSP, sounded like a wounded animal whining in pain, band could have been awesome and therecords wd still have been dreadful bc of this
gene - bad smiths clones, could not figure out why these got so much press
gomez - remember the band name, nothing else
hurricane #1 - totally forgettable and forgotten
kenickie - likeable kiddiepunk, can actually remember (and remember w some fondness) a couple of their singles
longpigs - seem to remember seeing these on tfi friday or something, can remember what the singer looked like, but not the music
marion - another sub smiths band iirc?
menswe@r - sounded like a bunch of primary school kids trying to ape wire. might have got good after like 3 albs but ridic hype meant that wd never happen i suppose
my life story - sort of remember thinking these were ok but cannot remember anything about what they actually sounded like
powder - singer was called "pearl" can remember nothing else about these
puressence - no memory of these beyond vaguely familiar band name
sleeper - lol c-man. In retrospect, a couple of the tunes were OK or at least memorable.
smaller - who?
space - seem to remember liking idk one of their singles, can at least remember what they sounded like
audioweb - who?
bluetones - bought their album for chap from cgharity shop, was OK-ish but a bit flat iirc
geneva - nothing beyond vague memory of band name
heavy stereo - likewise
jocasta - who?
midget - who?
monaco - who?
northern uproar - laughable gumby music made by idiots no idea why these ever got coverage outside of the live reviews pages
nowaysis - you're having a laugh, right?
number 1 cup - wjo?
perfume - nothing beyond the name
60 ft dolls - see norther uproar
rialto - saw these on tv on some chatshow, seemed like a bad copy of pulp -humour +whiny lyrics
silver sun - can remember the name, nothing else
supernaturals - likewise
symposium - vaguely remember - somethign - about them, cant bring it to mind
the gyres - who?
tiger - one hit wonder w/o the one hit - seem to remember they they were ok, mainly remember ridic hype
unbelievable truth - who?
warm jets - who?

when did the UK become this factory for churning out forgettable, 2nd rate guitar acts w/loudmouth spokesperson? Pretty sure that it wasn't always like this.

Mad Lizzy Crumbs' blind cobblers' thumbs were a sight to behold
She was a rum old slapper and we always tried to get her pants off when she phoned

what would be the point of doing that?

Rialto's point of interest was they had TWO DRUMMERS. This was completely inaudible in their music.

voted embrace because of the terrible singer ++ ridic hype that never mentioned THE SINGER CANNOT SING

when did the UK become this factory for churning out forgettable, 2nd rate guitar acts w/loudmouth spokesperson? Pretty sure that it wasn't always like this.

Since a cottage industry built up that would receptive to pretty much anything with a guitar in the hope that they might one day make a good record.

... when shit started selling and it was realised someone could make some money out of it

Midget + Jocasta + Number 1 Cup + Unbelievable Truth.... are these real bands or is nakch pulling our collective leg?

Jake Shillingford from My Life Story once accidentally pissed on my hand while standing at a urinal in the King's Cross Water Rats. That's probably the most 90s sentence I've ever typed.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 24 February 2011 10:17 (2 hours ago)

this is what these polls are all about

i know unbelievable truth were real cuz they had thom yorke's brother

note 'ephemera' in poll title

I have a Jocasta CD Single.

nowaysis - Oasis 'tribute' act that put two of their own, original, songs on the b-side of their hit, because they're not totally stupid.

The Unbelievable Truth and Geneva are the two bands that could have been massive if they'd waited for two or three years and come up off the back of Coldplay and Keane.

Unbelievable Truth were pretty much the dullest band I can remember seeing live. Not even particularly bad, just boring.

Other Oasis cover bandsBlurasis
Burnage
Champagne Supernova
Ciao
Cloneasis
Definitely Might Be
Gallagher
Ha'waysis (North East based Oasis tribute band)
Masterplan
No Way
Noasis
NoAces
The Raid
Okasis
Oasisn't
Oasist
Rockin' Chair
Pasha & The Wonderwalls
Shakermaker
Supersonic
Wonderwall (also interviewed for Live Forever)
Acquiesce
Soasis
Bonehead's Bank Holiday (from Raleigh, NC)

I mean, Travis were basically one of these bands until their second album came out.

Dodgy were 1) better than any other Britpop act and one of the best things to come out of the entire 90s. 2) not really Britpop as they started out long before the Britpop boom and only sought to make guitar based melodic pop music. Musically they had more in common with Jellyfish and Crowded House than with Oasis.

there's prob a third category for the interlull between dadrock and landfill

gay dad
skunk anansie
feeder
terris
king adora
my life story
lowgold

i remember unbelievable truth sounding like exactly what you'd expect a band featuring thom yorke's brother in 1996 to sound like. t/f?

One of the Warm Jets went out with Zoe Ball. It's all coming back to me now. I'd better stop reading this thread before I start liking Marion again.

kind of incredulous that you all remember these people

t
(xpost)

all of them = more reasons that i never read the music press while growing up

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Yorke

Powder woman's daughter is that famous model

were they big in ankara or something?

Interesting to see you've forgotten The Supernaturals. They were of course great and not awful at all, but so were a lot of the other bands on this list, and I know those people without taste who hate all proper melodic music written after 1990 tend to hate The Supernaturals as well.

New board description:

those people without taste who hate all proper melodic music written after 1990

Good: dubstar, gomez, my life story (*), tiger

Some OK moments: divine comedy (**), dodgy, echobelly, embrace, gene, kenickie, longpigs, space, bluetones, rialto, unbelievable truth

Bad: hurricane #1, menswe@r, sleeper, northern uproar, nowaysis, supernaturals

Can't remember: 3 colours red, marion, puressence, audioweb, geneva, heavy stereo, monaco, 60 ft dolls, silver sun, symposium

Never heard: 18 wheeler, powder, smaller, jocasta, midget, number 1 cup, perfume, the gyres, warm jets

(*) My cousin was in My Life Story for a short while, so they get a free pass.
(**) I liked The Divine Comedy just fine, until "National Express". And then there was no going back.

Sorry Geir, are we forgetting to hate the Supernaturals?

http://lost-pixel.net/gal/Concerts/Andy_Yorke/02.jpg

Thom Yorke's Brother Andy To Release Solo Debut Album

The chorus of Smile only has one note, it can't be good.

Can we stop him? (xp)

'Thom Yorke's Brother Andy' is the solo project of Andy Yorke

DIV comedy more like

Song of bitterness and recrimination gets all the lyrics xcept for one word removed so it can show lots of people happy and dancing because they have a bank account. Named after the song.

Quite a few songs here would benefit from having everything except one word removed.

Like looking at the Burgess Shale, figuring out classifications - My Life Story go with things like David Devant and his Spirit Wife is that right? stringsy, drama pop?

Do Jack have a place here? Thought they were ok, but several of these ok.

stringsy, drama pop?

Divine Comedy f'rinstance

3 colours red - MCGEE YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN
18 wheeler - <3 me some hypnagogic pop
divine comedy - an upper class Irishman, now I've seen everything
dodgy - iirc these guys were a kind of journo cult band, a la Shack or whothefuckever, before they started selling more than 12 records
dubstar - they had a buh-gina on their album sleeve, you can't say that about Heavy Stereo (without an off-colour joek)
echobelly - really liked 'King of the Kerb' when I was 15, lyfe's an education
embrace - someone should have started a 'rival' band called Shun
gene - they 'peaked' in like 94, 95 right?
gomez - NV nailed it, not gonna try and add to that
hurricane #1 - man it sucked when they soundtracked an ad for the Sun, went against everything I thought they stood for
kenickie - still burn bright in the public eye thanks to the drummer frequently posting underneath the status updates of LBZCer in exile Raw Patrick
longpigs - there is an American noize type band called this now, I lol inwardly every time I see it
marion - how ironic that the singer became addicted to the drug that his band's name sounds the most like
menswe@r - you really don't have to indulge them wrt to the @ you know
my life story - one of their sleeves from like '95 looks extraordinarily like 'MBDTF' (I saw it in a record shop the other day)
powder - how ironic that etc
puressence - always mixed them up w/ Pusherman
sleeper - great novelist
smaller - think they were constructed using a complicated system of mirrors rather than actually existing
space - let's not speak ill of the dead (one of them died)
audioweb - lol Ian Brown
bluetones - these guys still tour, like, all the time - they're effectively doing the same thing as like Marmalade and the Swinging Blue Jeans etc
geneva - didn't exist
heavy stereo - represented everyone from Scotland imho
jocasta - isn't this a name that unfunny ppl use to zing posh hippies if they already used 'Tarquin'
midget - had the worst logo of any band ever, look it up
monaco - "better front than Monaco" is my favourite underused expression for 'big breasts'
northern uproar - when I was 16 there was a petition to get them to play my town. They never played my town
nowaysis - say what you will about Tory governments, they produce some great angry music
number 1 cup - morelike Two World Wars & 1 World Cup (Number 1 Cup were British!)
perfume 60 ft dolls - I know these are two diff't bands but I know a girl who had a member of 60 Ft Dolls take a dump on her chest, so I'm keeping it this way
rialto - that guy was posh or something
silver sun - I saw these guys by accident like three years ago, it was tough going
supernaturals - ayo Geir
symposium - maybe they were prolife because they were technically still foetal?
the gyres - see Heavy Stereo
tiger - feel like these guys maybe had some 'good ideas' and 'no ability' to implement them
unbelievable truth - dancingandyyorke.gif
warm jets - possibly before their time? Or did they not play pleasant melodic postpunk like I 'remember'

^^ killing it

jocasta - isn't this a name that unfunny ppl use to zing posh hippies if they already used 'Tarquin'

Wasn't one of Fluffy actually called "Jocasta"? I would have to get the 2 CDS' I own off the shelf to check and they've had their annual play for 2011 already.

http://xplayitloud.blogspot.com/2010/10/long-pigs-tape.html

its true

Tiger... I had their album! Fucked if I can remember anything about it...

and fucked if u didn't, cuz u own an album by tiger

Also tried to like Divine Comedy because someone I knew really loved them but couldn't manage it

currently listening to the noise punk versh of long pigs

The chorus of Smile only has one note, it can't be good.

It all comes to a climax in the second half of the chorus, which has considerably more.

I went to see Tiger live. They were ok.

mullets their 'thing' maybe? The mullet band.

Hannon won the 2007 Choice music award for his 2006 album, 'Victory for the Comic Muse'. It was announced the next day that he left EMI by 'mutual consent'.

When the band Keane played at the O2 Arena in London in July, A Bad Dream was introduced by Hannon. He introduced it by reading the poem by W.B. Yeats upon which the song is based.

Hope he got paid for that

3 colours red - remember the Wildhearts? Exactly like that. McGee thought they were the most exciting band in the world in 1996, because he was a fuckwit.
18 wheeler - rubbish
divine comedy - bishops's son laughing at the working class
dodgy - Geir Hongro has shit taste in music. Also fat wanker in a porkpie hat.
dubstar - Stars is a good song
echobelly - King of the Kerb is also a good song
embrace - worst singer ever, not just for voice but also for lack of charisma, charm or stage presence
gene- lol Morrissey
gomez - lol students
hurricane #1 - ONLY THE STRONGEST WILL SURVIVE, THESE DAYS YOU'VE GOT TO KILL YOURSELF JUST TO STAY ALIVE
kenickie - the three songs people remember as still fun
longpigs - I quite like 'She Said'
marion - sub-Suede, right?
menswe@r - shooting fish in a barrell
my life story - hand-pisser
powder - Pearl Lowe is still famous for no apparent reason
puressence - they were 'New Grave', right?
sleeper - shut up shut up shut up
smaller - penis
space - lol Kaiser Chiefs
audioweb - they'd be bottom of the bill at every big outdoor Britpop-era event for about three years. I remember 'Policeman Skank' being kind of amusing
bluetones - shit
geneva - Tranquilizer is still a great song
heavy stereo - worse than 18-Wheeler, right?
jocasta - they were in a lot of record shop bargain bins, can't remember anything about them
midget - see also Symposium
monaco - filled a gap between mediocre New Order records I suppose
northern uproar - monkey.gif
nowaysis - shit
number 1 cup - my mind's blank here
perfume 60 ft dolls - you've merged two bands here, still not any good
rialto - two drummers
silver sun - shit
supernaturals - shit
symposium - you don't win anything with kids
the gyres - nadir of Noelrock, indefensible
tiger - mullets
unbelievable truth - at least he got to be the one without the wonky eye when they were growing up
warm jets - would've been bigger in the 00s I think. They weren't very good.

tiger - feel like these guys maybe had some 'good ideas' and 'no ability' to implement them

My favourite kind of band!

I forgot about Fluffy. Except now I can't bring them to mind at all. I think they were a bit like Brassy, but maybe that's just because the name is similar.

Name also dangerously similar to Fuzzy, who weren't British but were another girl-fronted* band of this era; released a Beach Boys cover version and then disappeared. (I have the album. God. I can say that about too many of these bands. Mainly the ones who didn't sell very many.)

* yeah, as a woman I feel a bit itchy that this is a thing to say about a band, but at the time it was; and now there aren't any woman-fronted bands, only lad bands and kooky girly Florences, so, uhh

the list was contributed by someone more knowledgeable in this field

than who, The Lex?

tbrr gender equality is perhaps the only thing this coterie had going for them, or maybe it's more salient asking why landfill was so entirely homosocial

What gender equality? Please give statistics to prove such an outlandish statement.

http://i.thisis.co.uk/274136/article/images/1174534/1074832-vlarge.jpg

^ unfortunate band photo ahoy

Poor guy looks like he's been fished out of the Thames.

as in it was proven in britpop that women could participate and even compete in the terrible indie stakes xxp

if someone hadn't nominated florence (why?) then iirc the landfill lot was p much entirely male save for one of the lolzutons

I don't think that the problem with these bands was not enough women, it's just there were too many bloody blokes.

i guess britpop & its holdovers really did enjoy full spectrum dominance whereas landfill for all its ubiquity never really had the cultural heft....it was more of an uneasy synergy between retarded kids and 50 quid men / q readers with more disposable income than sense, the two groups frotting over a shared love for crap lager, chauvinism and their own stupidity

I met the guy from Jocasta at Glastonbury once, in the Guardian Tent. I almost literally bumped into him, stared as tried to place how I knew him before he for he piped up "my name's Tim". He was very chuffed to be recognised. June Brown was apparently there too, as I read about later, so I must have missed her by a few mins. Oh well.

The vast majority of women in Britpop were 'attractive' female singers backed up by Sleeperblokes. There were, admittedly, some exceptions in the form of actual female musicians, but nowhere near enough to suggest that Britpop was sexually progressive.

and even that lamentable state of affairs was more 'progressive' than landfill

He was very chuffed to be recognised

I'll bet

http://www.clashmusic.com/files/imagecache/big_node_view/files/theview_7.jpg

only one of these people has talked to a woman who was not their mother

Ah, the old Tim Burgess Tilt of the Head manoeuvre

yeah it was that one, and his mother obviously didn't mention that if he kept doing that, his head would be stuck in permatilt for the rest of his days

3 colours red - the sex pistols were almost as good as these, says McGee
18 wheeler - had a Bentley Rhythm Ace remix
divine comedy - like these in theory, only heard about three songs outside of F. Ted
dodgy - clue's in the title, lol hongro
dubstar - sexy pencilcase
echobelly - sleeperblokes on holiday
embrace - liked that kazoo track
gene - there's always been a smiths element to our dance music
gomez - still touring the first album in Australia
hurricane #1 - hurricane #poo
kenickie - THE BEST BAND IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD
longpigs - dude was called Crispin
marion - dude was called Marion
menswe@r - guitarist joined the Spice Girls iirc?
my life story - bought 7 singles by these guys in 2003, haven't got around to listening yet
powder - had boy george's mate's ex-toy-boy's lovechild
puressence - pooessence
sleeper - worst woman in music ever
smaller - lasagne
space - dude who the Teardrop Explodes bullied into letting them rehearse at his mam's let them rehearse at his mam's
audioweb - aswadioweb
bluetones - pootones
geneva - US gene tribute band
heavy stereo - 3 colours red tribute band
jocasta - didn't exist
midget - stoner metal trio from Australia iirc
monaco - released the second best post-Factory New Order single ever
northern uproar - foetuses in cagoules
nowaysis - No Way Sis tribute band
number 1 cup - never ever heard of these
perfume 60 ft dolls - drag tribute to drunk welsh drummer
rialto - were a car
silver sun - dude stole jarvis' specs iirc
supernaturals - poopernaturals
symposium - had one song I liked on a MM giveaway CD, guitarist "helped out" Hot Chip and now spams dementedly as a social media adviser for unsigned bands
the gyres - tribute band to kevin smith batman comic
tiger - had several 2-page features written about them containing the words "they have mullets!" c+p'd over and over
unbelievable truth - belivable poo
warm jets - of spunky poo

I always wondered if Jocasta felt robbed at the success of Muse, who became the far more successful (and stupid) variant on the same kind of band.

The vast majority of women in Britpop were 'attractive' female singers backed up by Sleeperblokes. There were, admittedly, some exceptions in the form of actual female musicians, but nowhere near enough to suggest that Britpop was sexually progressive.

this is true! I remember the singer from Sleeper even wearing a t-shirt with s th like "another female-fronted indie band" on it. I seem to remember older 80's indie bands having more female musicians but might be wrong, it was so long ago. that said, the bands in that landfill poll are worse? It seems to be total sad sausage party apart from "Florence" and the 2 musicians in magic numbers. A pretty sad & fucked up state of affairs, really.

Thread needs more Terrorvision.

Terrorvision way too early for this, they had TWO remixes by Pop Will Eat Itself

that said, the bands in that landfill poll are worse? It seems to be total sad sausage party apart from "Florence" and the 2 musicians in magic numbers. A pretty sad & fucked up state of affairs, really.

tbh women everywhere are better off out of it

apparently sleeper's proto-viral marketing for the release of 'swallow' consisted of affixing fake calling cards in london phoneboxes

I seem to remember older 80's indie bands having more female musicians

They did, but they were actually "indie" bands

Really the only bands on this list I liked were Geneva (first album), Puressence (first two albums) and Dubstar (bits of each).

Where are Jack? Or were they too good.

Jack were def in that My Life Story/Divine Comedy Scott Walker fan club section but much better and less high profile.

the only things made by people in this list that i ever enjoyed were a) bits of dubstar's catalogue, b) echobelly's "great things" - tellingly i can't remember exactly how any of those actually go apart from their choruses

s0 thankful to 13-year-old me for having good taste in music and loving songs that still hold up today and that i don't have to be ashamed about

would have thought you could get behind the second Kenickie album Tim (if not the earlier stuff)

I never ended up checking it out I don't believe, I always read good things about it though.

& lex could maybe dig I Would Fix You

The other band in this entire vein I was quite into was Whipping Boy.

i hated kenickie THEN, s0 overrated

i'll refrain from posting about the band i think are basically kenickie if they were any good

Can't remember what I liked at the time that was along these lines. Drugstore maybe?

-they had that duet with the dude from The Unbelievable Truth's brother iirc

powder - Pearl Lowe is still famous for no apparent reason

I have always found this curious (even before rise of Daisy). She's not the only person who knows lots of other people - is she just really, really charming with glossy media types? Or is she nu-lab britpop equivalent of a society beauty/hostess? Lifestyle journalists seem to assess her very generously - 'ex-pop star turned designer' sort of thing.

Anyway, not my world, so I can't figure it out.

huh. Has a range at Peacocks if wiki is to be believed.

'ex-pop star turned designer'

Bit like Brix Smith?

Brix has at least been in the charts.

oops, apologies to Lowe.

"Afrodisiac" / "Shave Me" (Parkway Records 1995) UK #72

you weren't specific about what to vote for, so i voted best and please take one (1) vote from kenickie.

http://i.imgur.com/7r14J.jpg

Levitating wife looking pretty good there, Bela Lugosi less so.

Saatchi's tory

Statutory Saatchi Tory

3 colours red - tried to like "Copper Girl" for personal reasons, failed
18 wheeler - i confess, i have both albums. they're rubbish
divine comedy - never really got it, though vaguely liked "Something in the Woodshed" because i thought any old hamfisted literary allusion was CLEVAR. father ted theme classic though
dodgy - zzz
dubstar - lifeless music + attempted ooh-aren't-we-naughty image annoyed the same part of me that hates Goldfrapp
echobelly, gene - zzz
embrace, gomez - can i blame these guys for the beginnings of the Mumford bullshit rootsiness thing?
hurricane #1 - lol
kenickie - nostalgia convinces me they were brilliant, don't dare listen again and realise they weren't
longpigs - obligatory "it goes on + on" joke here
menswe@r - blame them for time i spent not listening to Wire because Menswear "sounded like" them
my life story - at least they brought us that one ilx thread (also not as good as i remember)
space - hilariously terrible, which actually seems almost positive by comparison
heavy stereo - hadn't heard them but liked their name, wrote it on my science folder, discovered they were shit
midget - were they like Dweeb? where is Dweeb on this list?
monaco - had a confused misheard-in-gig conversation c.1998 where i thought we were talking about Monaco (who were crap) but the other guy was actually talking about Moloko (who were great)
northern uproar - when i was 14 i excitedly filled in a BMG "survey" and ticked that i liked indie. i got sent some badges for Northern Uproar, Sleeper, and Out Of My Hair. even then it was underwhelming
nowaysis - were these just a covers band? did they have some notable wacky gimmick?
number 1 cup - slight sore thumb here: adequate but unexciting USian Pavement copyists. i religiously bought records by all such bands back in the day
perfume 60 ft dolls - one of these bands was Welsh. that is all i can tell you about either of them
silver sun - i maintain that "Lava" is a pretty great tune, though watching the video or reading the lyrics always threatens to change my mind. got a promo of their bombed second album and it is dreadful. so
supernaturals - you've gotta smile smile smile smile smile smile fuck off
symposium - ah, the Hanson of pig-iron indie pop-punk
the gyres - i actually don't know who these dudes are. not just forgotten but never heard of. who are they?
tiger - sometimes the words "eat my house, tart venom" spring into my mind for no apparent reason
unbelievable truth - in Oxford we are all contractually obliged to pretend these guys were good and not just some dreary 16th-rate singer-songwriter maundering away in the empty back room of a pub

Part 1 of the bbc scotland documentary on britpop band The Gyres

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l3_X30uQFc

part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plLiwB6Mfk&feature=related

part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyHzdoI3UR0&feature=related

part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNXvo0LbXic&feature=related

all youtube comments about how the gyres were "pure quality" are depressing

menswe@r - blame them for time i spent not listening to Wire because Menswear "sounded like" them

:)

seahorses,cast,ocs,blur,oasis et al were all too well known and probably would have skewed this poll. The lesser known shite deserves their 15 more mins of infamy

are divcom the only ones with an ongoing career?

if so, WHY???

Feel like the list could have done with an ambassador from Romo - Orlando I suppose.

Bluetones and Dodgy still going afaik xxp

Someone should do a 1990-1994 pre-britpop poll

The gyres docu is amazing. My friend used to have it on vhs.

Gomez also ongoing.

My dad likes Gomez.

Someone should do a 1990-1994 pre-britpop poll

Needs careful tuning to optimally troll shoegaze crew.

do a nominations thread!

Hard to work up much bile for Carter USM so late in the day tbh

I feel like they're pretty much dead and gone, whereas the shadow of britpop still lingers over us

still playing live afaik

I got an ad for their tour on my Facebook ad bar the other day.

Don't know how FB figured I might possibly be interested in Carter USM.

If they've been reduced to the level of Facebook pests and playing at the Hobgoblin, then I think their threat has been effectively nullified.

Hard to work up much bile for Carter USM so late in the day tbh

never forget.
my bile for sultans of ping, carter usm, kingmaker,wonderstuff remains the same as it was

i think a 90-4 poll might be a bit of a mess. and as i say maybe an extended exercise in getting people to say 'what the hell are Slowdive/Moose/etc doing next The Milltown Brothers/The Frank and Walters/Carter?'

omg the frank and walters BILE RISING

This is the thread where we reminisce over not particularly good Evening Session bands from the late 90s

my bile for sultans of ping, carter usm, kingmaker,wonderstuff remains the same as it was

Poor allocation of bile IMO.

dont think there was a unifying theme to early 90s indie as there was with landfill or britpop afterbirth

i guess there is that immediate pre-britpop, or proto-britpop stuff, then lol madchester drivel, then shoegaze epigonism, then crustie nonsense, and whatever carter usm/emf were

A guy in my class liked Kingmaker so much that every art project he did was a big picture of the singer's face.

also to save the thread becoming completely negative, is there any 95-99 indie yall would save? i still hear nice things said about the boo radleys frinstance

Northside will always win the lol madchester drivel poll (unless you allow the soup dragons in it)

giant steps by boo radleys was great

i'd love to know where the kingmaker portraitist kid is now xps

The band began playing and touring, before making their recording debut with "The Celebrated Working Man" EP. After this they signed up to Chrysalis Records and released a second EP, entitled "Waterproof" in 1991. They were also immediately courted by the music press, who invented a niche category for the band, which they dubbed "New Cool Rock".

thems were more innocent days i guess

The band rapidly fell out of favour. Paul Heaton of Hull's more well known band The Beautiful South heavily criticised them as being middle class pretenders, and the rot set in thereafter.

also to save the thread becoming completely negative, is there any 95-99 indie yall would save? i still hear nice things said about the boo radleys frinstance

― oddo futre wolf ganso kilgallon thome aldair (nakhchivan), Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:09 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

I Should Coco still sounds bracing and fresh.

Travis are the band that links Britpop to Landfill indie. T or F?

well they were the biggest band of that interlull phase i alluded to earlier, along with feeder etc

Oasis (1st album), Blur, Supergrass, Boo Radleys (minus that song), Suede,Verve(a northern soul),MSP (everything must go), Black Grape, Pulp were all good. Landfill just didn't have ANYONE going for it.

the verve's early singles and storm in heaven were great

'she's a superstar' is amazing

yup that early stuff was awesome. I still like urban hymns though

super furry animals were great too

re Travis, makes sense to me: iirc U16 Girls was Gallagher-praised back in the day, so I assumed Travis were another Northern Uproar, Heavy Stereo mob.

richard ashcroft then became the presiding spirit of the post-dadrock interlull with his mix of ersatz sooooooulful whiteboy nonsense, limitless self-regard and gilded pubrock stylings

iirc he had a no1 single?

Travis came up alongside Embrace and the like, they were meant to be sort of New Serious Rock. Then their first single came out and was called 'U16 Girls', which kinda put paid to that.

Travis are the band that links Britpop to Landfill indie. T or F?

Stereophonics should not be overlooked here.

Placebo too

how the fuck did they remain so popular

Placebo don't lead to landfill do they? Always thought they leaned a little rockier, plus make-up.

the only ppl i knew who liked placebo were boring 'weird kids' into nirvana, smashing pumpkins, radiohead etc

Texas are the link from bad 80s through britpop into landfill. Chris Evans music.

texas have no connection to landfill whatsoever

Man, Texas played my fresher's week along with Transvision Vamp, The Men They Couldn't Hang and lol Roachford.

Placebo begat JJ72 who were surely landfill

texas were as boring as any landfill

Texas, They drove the diggers.

texas were virgin radio mor stuff

they were terrible but chromosonally incompatible with razorlight and the landfill kids

Algerian Goalkeeper your conception of "landfill" is about as well-defined as your conception of "hipster" or "electro".

lso to save the thread becoming completely negative, is there any 95-99 indie yall would save? i still hear nice things said about the boo radleys frinstance

― oddo futre wolf ganso kilgallon thome aldair (nakhchivan), Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:09 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

Do you mean indie or Britpop? There's fucking loads of '95-'99 indie I still adore, but not really much Britpop.

someone on the other thread argues for JJ72, My Vitriol & some other chancers as being distinct from landfill, convincing to me.

jj72 and my vitriol were interlull bands

i still like 'snow' by jj72

Of course they're distinct. Landfill indie is a post-Strokes/Libertines phenomenon really.

They were both terrible, sorry.

Space at Shepherd's Bush Empire in 1998 - my first ever gig. ;_;

Voting Gomez cos I thought they were laughably shit at the time and I still think they're shit, so voting for them means I don't have to confront my britpop demons too much.

yeah, even the vines were only proto-landfill

mnstm interlull - travis, feeder, stereophonics

alt interlull - my vitriol, jj72, king adora, terris

needs an interlull poll then

Thank god I had Ooberman to get me through.

and a bad triphop poll too. man that shit was everywhere

first start paying attention to music in 2000 so i feel i should remember more of this interlull stuff

remember that gloooooooorious song by andreas someoneorother

needs an interlull poll then

ENOUGH

For some reason this was my favourite joke at the time:

Me: Hey, you know that song, 'Glorious', by Anners Johnson?
Person B: You mean Andreas Johnson?
Me: Oh yeah, I forgot about Dre

LOLS & ROFFLES ETC

Why did I just tell people that? God, it was shit.

dont think there's enough aesthetic coherence in the interlull era, it's at least two separate streams, maybe a couple more depending on where u draw the lines

emil.y that is a wonderful joke and makes me nostalgic for xfm in the year 2000

xxp Ha, I am definitely going to use that joke asap.

That joke was http://www.dangerhere.com/issues/issue36-040202/outstanding_coley.jpg

Landfill = Many copies of record/cd were made, some sold, some did not, over time the owners attempted to get rid of those that they bought but do not play/want any more. But no-one wants them second hand either. So, they go to municipal dumps. i.e. land-fill.

So, Texas qualify as landfill, but not landfill indie.

Gomez? Dunno.

Rialto? Singles/albums sit in oxfam, priced at 25p, never move.

BooRads? Priced lowly, but then people go "Ooh, look: Giant Steps at 50p, they nuts?" so not landfill.

Etc...

andreas johnson....so technically it should be 'Hey, you know that song, 'Glorious', by An Ass Johnson'

agreed,
a) on emil.y's joke, A1
b) Incoherent interlull - there's also the regular fries, lo-fidelity all stars, campag velocet push from the papers around the turn of the millennium.

maybe the lex was right about uk music after all

There's a band called The Crooks currently playing on 6music. I fear we may have called the death of landfill indie too soon.

Was the New Acoustic Movement part of the interlull?

Skinner still has NAM flashbacks

The Crooks are the vibrant new sound of Leamington in 2011. Taking the coruscating guitar lines of The Cribs and the insouciant sneer of The Kooks, etc etc etc [file copy]

http://goofygifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/funny-animated-gifs-army-flashbacks.gif

needs shopped with starsailor in it

Was the New Acoustic Movement part of the interlull?

― oppet, Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:51 (2 minutes ago)

def

remember i am klolt?

Turin Brakes

terrible memories

http://forum.emobucket.com/avatars/l.gif?dateline=1296391406http://www.u1ab.co.uk/images/4579_bow_ties.jpg

lol

Ha, second google result for new acoustic movement is ilm thread "New Acoustic Movement" - classic or dud?

no posts in nine years and STILL tops the results? rip NAM, you were always the best of them

3 colours red-Alan Mcgee said they were going to be the new Sex Pistols, they weren't
18 wheeler-Alan Mcgee claimed their last album was going to be the new Screamadelica, it wasn't.
divine comedy-Love this band even though I understand why he annoys a lot of people.
dodgy-One of the worst bands on the list. Good Enough is still a song that makes me quite angry, sorry Geir.
dubstar-I still love the first album and No More Talk from the second album. She wrote lyrics like she was Morrissey and they wrote music like St Etienne.
echobelly-The singer was quite cute but she had a really annoying voice, especially on their big hit Great Things.
embrace-The worst band on the list by a mile, his awful nasal singing voice and his big round greasy face! Maybe the worst singer in the history of music.
gene-Great live band who actually deserved more than just those constant Smiths comparison.
gomez-The 90's version of The Coral. I love the way critics thought the guy with the raspy voice was like a great blues singer or something.
hurricane #1-Another Alan Mcgee favourite until he forced them to put their big hit on an advert for The Sun which killed their career stone dead and he disowned them months later.
kenickie-Two great albums, they do not deserve to be on the list. Come Out 2nite is still one of my favourite singles of all time.
longpigs-The first album had some great singles and the second one was kind of a lost indie classic, the singer was a twat though.
marion-I loved this band do much at the time, shame the singer blew it by getting hooked on heroin and stealing some garden ornaments. I think they would have would have done a lot better maybe 10 years later when all those bands that sounded a bit like Interpol were getting signed.
menswe@r-I am probably the only person on here that bought the second album, I wouldn't exactly recommend it. I was so obsessed with them when they came about thinking they were the indie Duran Duran or something. I listened to the first album recently and it hasn't aged well, still love Day Dreamer though.
my life story-Another band I used to love at the time but they've dated so badly and the singer is obviously a moron. I used to think their first album was an indie version of The Lexicon Of Love, I would like to say sorry to ABC for that one. 12 Reasons Why I Love Her is quite a good list song.
powder-I only really remember Afrodisiac which rhymed had some good rhyming going on the chorus, Afrodisiac, shrink wrapped, cracker jack etc. The singer did a lot of drugs and married the drummer from Supergrass.
puressence-One of the more serious bands that had success after the main Britpop years, pretty harmless.
sleeper-I definitely had a big crush on Louise Wener but the band were not up to much at all. All there songs started with strange little keyboard intro's that had nothing to do with the song then it would soon go into the same boring tune each time.
smaller-The singer (Bagsy i think?) was mates with Noel Gallagher.
space-Out of all the bands on the list they've probably dated the worst. Try watching the video for The Ballad Of Thom Jones now and just keep in my mind that song was a top 5 hit, it's scary.
audioweb-Can't remember much about them, think they were a bit more dance than indie.
bluetones-Still like a lot of their stuff.
geneva-The first album had some great singles. The singer had a very angelic voice.
heavy stereo-Another Creation records discovery. The lead singer went on to write songs for Oasis and is now in Beady Eye, it just keeps getting better and better for this guy.
jocasta-The singer was an absolute nutter who took himself way too seriously. He got himself a huge drugs habit but was eventually saved and sent to rehab by Dot Cotton from Eastenders
midget-Think these guys were about 14 when they got signed and were a power punk three piece who had songs called Welcome Home Jelly Bean and Kylie & Jason, they were big in Japan.
monaco-Peter Hook's second band with David potts. I liked the two hit singles but the album was a disaster.
northern uproar-One of the worst bands on the list. First single was produced by James Dean Bradfield. Their fourth single was a ballad called Town that went "Going down so down town, where the streets are full of clowns" they probably thought it was going to be their Wonderwall but it's just one of those great Britpop ballads where the label let them have fun using an orchestra. Their comeback (and last?) single was inspired by Motown!!
nowaysis-Nothing to say about them.
number 1 cup-Only remember their miner hit called Dive Bomb, I used to hate it.
perfume 60 ft dolls-Perfume had a great single called Lover but not much else. 60 Ft Dolls were always in the NME going on about their drink and drug habbits. I used to think they were pretty bad but then another quirky Welsh three piece came about a couple of years later who were a million times worse. The lead singer went on to manage Terris.
rialto-Their songs always sounded like they were going for big Bond themes. They had some pleasant singles and the singer was one of the less annoying fopps around. They had 2 drummers for no reason at all.
silver sun-Still love their first album. I seem to remember them being called the British Weezer when they came about.
supernaturals-One of the indie bands that were supposed to be quirky or cheeky a bit Space or Dodgy.
symposium-They could have done well about 5 years later with bands like Hundred Reasons were doing well. They did pop punk and spit up on the verge of doing quite well. Andrew Lloyd Webber was a fan.
the gyres-One of the more ladsy bands, like an even poorer version of Northern Uproar. I don't think they were on Creation but I'm sure Alan Mcgee was involved in whatever bidding war there was for these guys.
tiger-The singer couldn't really sing and they were a bit shouty, the NME loved them for about 5 minutes calling them the new Fall. They had some catchy singles but a terrible album.
unbelievable truth-Thom York's brother was the lead singer.
warm jets-The singer went out with Zoe Ball..erm that's about it.

Scary how many bands I owned albums or singles by. I will be voting Embrace as the worst band on the list.

my life story-Another band I used to love at the time but they've dated so badly and the singer is obviously a moron.

OK, tale often told, it's about to be told again. In short...

He used to manage "PanicStation/Dingwalls", I was there during an all-dayer, not terribly well but bearing up, standing in the lobby getting some air, he comes out and insists I either go back in or leave. Like, you know, I was standing on his foot or something. "It's not that hot in there" he goes in and checks for all of five seconds.

Rialto were ex-Kinky Machine, right? If a pre-1994 lolindie poll is to go ahead, they have to be in it.

symposium got a bottle of my piss at V97

kinky machine were mark goodier's fave band when he did the evening session

I love that the third post on that NAM thread is Ethan going "I suppose this is as good a place as any to talk about Daft Punk..."

jocasta-The singer was an absolute nutter who took himself way too seriously. He got himself a huge drugs habit but was eventually saved and sent to rehab by Dot Cotton from Eastenders

Please tell me this is actually true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Arnold_%28musician%29

This is an amazing piece of Wikipedia vandalism.

In 2003 Arnold traveled to a Buddhist monastery in Thailand.[2] He was practically adopted by the abbot of the monastery who encouraged him with his music and that, in turn, opened new artistic horizons. Under the guidance of the monks, he engaged in the composition of an album in which the music was created by following cracks in the earth, which metamorphosed into pop rock melodies.

Lokutara was his debut solo album, written and recorded in Thailand with the assistance of the monastery's community.

dom or ferg?

Hailing from a working class theatrical family, the smell of the grease paint was so strong that at 14 years old he decided to leave his mother's home in Spain and return alone to England to study at the Rudolf Steiner School and join the Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids. Arnold was the youngest initiate ever to join the ancient order of which the poet William Blake had been a former chief. Bizarrely enough, Arnold completed the Orders’ Bardic teachings in 1990 and so, therefore, is actually a ‘Bard’. It was at The Rudolf Steiner School that he formed the band Jocasta with best friend Jack Reynolds. In 1994, Arnold and the band moved from Hertfordshire to London. Arnold originally intended to take a place at St. Martin's School of Art that he had been offered but instead took a job in Soho, working as a chef by day and a doorman by night in an illegal drinking bar.[1]

Algerian Goalkeeper your conception of "landfill" is about as well-defined as your conception of "hipster" or "electro".

― Matt DC, Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:35 (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah well i get most things wrong round here. I apologise!

It's starting to occur to me that this is actually all true and not a work of vandalism at all - see this for example.

Dunno if it is vandalism tbh eg:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sonnet-155-Tim-Arnold/dp/B003GE69Q6/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1298568316&sr=1-3

xp!

dear lord, you post quotes from wikipedia but you dont post this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/TIM-SOS_1_smalljpg.jpg

http://www.thamkrabok.net/html/spiritual_high.html

It's a place that has gained a degree of international fame - not least since one of its success stories, erstwhile minor Britpop star Tim Arnold and his godmother June Brown (Dot Cotton of Eastenders) made a very public plea to drug-addled Pete Doherty of the Libertines to seek help there following his much publicised meltdown.

CD Description
'Sonnet 155' is a rock/classical crossover of 11 songs written and performed by Arnold.
Stylistically bridging the gap between Seattle Rock and European Baroque, the album re-interprets classical pieces of music by Mozart, Rimsky Korsakov and a co-write with Michael Nyman - all driven by Shakespearean themes.
In early 2007 singer, Arnold wrote over 30 individual letters to Shakespearean actors Derek Jacobi, Ian McKellen, Emma Thompson, Richard Briers & Janet Suzman, asking `What theme in Shakespeare best described the human condition?' Replies to his letters poured in and with the gentle help of those who have devoted their lives to working on and in Shakespeare's plays, Arnold formed the basis of what would become the album, Sonnet 155. The result is one man's personal navigation through these themes. The self-financed album was produced by Arnold with Chris Sheldon (Foo Fighters, Radiohead, The Boxer Rebellion, Biffy Clyro and Feeder).

LOL

In 1999 he signed a publishing deal with V2 Music. he also became Master of Music at Shakespeare's Globe Theatre, composing original music for Peter Oswald's Augustine's Oak, a new verse play written especially for the Globe. In 2000 he briefly begun a new band called Spearshaker. The band recorded some demos at Rockfield Studios in Monmouth, Wales, but nothing materialised.

In 2001, Arnold left V2 and signed to Universal Music Publishing. For two years, he wrote and produced music for newly signed artists at Universal, mostly Pop, R & B, Garage and Hip Hop.

This is pretty productive for a crackhead.

the monastery/Dot Cotton thing was filmed for a BBC documentary iirc?

maybe I just read about the forced puking or w/e in the paper - either way it got your man from Jocasta more press than his band ever did

I remember the NME did a feature on him around 2004. Basically he got a story and decent album review because Pete Doherty tried going to the same monastery in Thailand but he left after about five minutes.

Dot Cotton saved Tim Arnold but sadly couldn't do the same for Pete.

this must be one of the most anglocentric threads on recent ilx

not a great advert

there's always cliches about french culture being singular and inward looking, a country unto itself, but really despite half the world knowing english, so much never leaves our shores (thankfully)

this must be one of the most anglocentric threads on recent ilx

narrower than that, i don't fucking understand 75% of it

so no horrific britpop flashbacks for you then lex?

It's too soon for any of us to truly understand what happened.

ive probably heard half of the polled bands, haven't even heard of about ten

so no horrific britpop flashbacks for you then lex?

general ones yeah, but i...just wasn't into this scene, or god help us the landfill one, to have paid attention enough to remember half the things you're talking about

This era's 1066 and all that:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4161S7E1Y7L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Worst...Album_in_the_World...Ever...EVER!

THE SHIREHORSES - (Now) I Know (Where I'm Going) Our Kid (The Seahorses - "Love is the Law")
PEELA TATER - Ta La (Kula Shaker - "Tattva")
BABY BLOKE - You're Gormless (Baby Bird - "You're Gorgeous")
THE CHARLEY TWINS - West Country Boy (The Charlatans - "North Country Boy")
DICK CAVE AND THE BAD CHEESE feat. RILEY MINOGUE - Hapless Boy Lard (Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds featuring Kylie Minogue - "Where The Wild Roses Grow")
DOOFERGRASS - Feel Like Shite (Supergrass - "Alright")
GAZEBO - Lardy Boy (Placebo - "Nancy Boy")
EDWYN BOBBINS - Girl Like You (Hiya) (Edwyn Collins - "A Girl Like You")
FLUSH - Single Bloke (Lush - "Single Girl")
MORONICO - Sha La La La, Tum Tee Tum (Untitled) (Monaco - "What Do You Want from Me?")
CHEEPER - Ugly Bleeder (Sleeper - "Inbetweener")
DICK CAVE AND THE BAD CHEESE feat. ALAN BAWL (NO RELATION) - The Ballad of Franny Lee (Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds -"Henry Lee")
THE RA-GNOMES - Sheena Easton (Punk Rocker) / Joe's F***ed Off (The Ramones - Sheena is a Punk Rocker segued with Blitzkrieg Bop)
ALLADIN-ANE - Bill Oddity (David Bowie (aka Aladdin Sane) - Space Oddity (song))
FRANK SPENCER BLUES EXPLOSION - Frank Spencer Blues Explosion (Jon Spencer Blues Explosion general parody)
PO-FASIS - Cum On Skweeze Me Boilz (Oasis, covering Slade's Cum On Feel the Noize)
BABY BLOKE - You're a Bastard (Baby Bird - "You're Gorgeous")

MORONICO

I came across this monstrosity recently. Can't remember it from the time at all. I'm kind of perversely fascinated with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-qxJi5W4i8

dear god that is horrific

from 1997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33SjUj4J5BU

proto scouting for girls?

"im only 17 i go to public school they never taught me anything i need to learn"

how i wish robin carmody still posted here

this is like ilx set to music

Haha I had that posh single. The B-side was called Body Fascist! They had to change their name because Posh was already taken so they became The Swarm.

I'm not looking at Wikipedia for any of this, I'm ashamed to say.

presuming catch singer is enrique pre-bfi days?

this is like ilx set to music

― Romford Spring (DG),

LOL so true

http://i.imgur.com/TaLkH.jpg

then and now

http://www.urbanjunkies.com/london/guide-my-london/pippa-brooks.html

xps I have at least one record by a Canadian hardcore band called The Swarm [continuing a theme upthread]

didn't rate the noise long pigs much btw

she seems to have turned into quentin crisp xps

landfill never really had scenesters

I'd forgotten how horrific that Catch single was.

I remember that single was about him losing his virginity/prostitutes then they had a follow up called Dive In that was about masturbation. Think they were probably dropped/beaten to death just after that.

did the singer ever get a solo career or get into tv?

house of lords

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_%28band%29

In the early hours of 31 August 1997, the video for "Bingo" was being featured on the ITV Chart Show on ITV, before it faded out to be replaced by a news report, giving the then sketchy details of the road accident that killed Princess Diana.[2]

One for the unusual details in wiki articles thread.

Reputedly formed when Slater, Murray and Etchells kissed the same girl at a party; Catch were, in fact, formed from the ashes of Brattish, Slater's first band, formed in 1994/95, which also included Etchells. Brattish rehearsed the Catch material extensively, paid for by interested A&R men, but never gigged. Slater also was a driving-force behind the short-lived "Romo" movement in the autumn/winter of 1995, DJ-ing at "Arcadia".

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/102267034_af57e96362.jpg

More recently Slater has formed a band under the name Kunta Kinte, but have now changed their name to Tough Love.

looool

http://www.toughloveband.com/

Tough Love have been described by The Guardian as "the Afrobeat Scissor Sisters"

In the early hours of 31 August 1997, the video for "Bingo" was being featured on the ITV Chart Show on ITV, before it faded out to be replaced by a news report, giving the then sketchy details of the road accident that killed Princess Diana.[2]

Ladies and gentlemen, the moment the 90s dream ended.

Nobody else remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScBuPPou5pE

Oh my God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMa8Dj9gtlU

catch were proto-Busted

fightstar belong on the kerrang landfill poll

http://www.blink-think.co.uk/images/portfolio/Tough%20Love/tough_love_band.jpg

What the press is saying...

"Brilliant - packed with pop hits and charisma and fielding two drummers. Somebody sign them post haste"

- Music Week

I thought that was going to be mumford & sons at first

mumford & sons crossed with the scissor sisters would be a lot of peoples idea of hell

omg the diana news report clip is incredible.

ya the segue is awesome

Anyone remember Strangelove? That name just popped into my head. I used to buy 49p and 99p singles i'd never heard from my local indie shop back then. Im pretty sure I had a strangelove 7" and a fluffy single as well as punka by kenickie on pic disk?

ugh worst band ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er7gZ5j37qA&feature=related

But it seems there's an American band with the same name that is LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJkHXTHWyyk&feature=related

^^^
Thank you.

I was stuck for a week in Mancs in '94 and went to see three bands: two of them were Marion and Geneva, and until now I'd been racking my brane for the third......

I can't for the life of me understand why I did this - I was 33 at the time, certainly no indie brat.

xp re Strangelove

Marion were ok. I saw them at t in the park in 95 i think.

i had a shine compilation with their song on

i am going to ban the living fuck out of you for putting kenickie in this poll

― racing up the fuck charts (electricsound), Thursday, 24 February 2011 01:27 (17 hours ago)

when he's done being banned can he be un-banned... so I can ban the living fuck etc again also? ta.

lol nineties indie kids, lauren laverne is never going to give u the time of day and u might as well admit

lol nineties indie kids, lauren laverne is never going to give u the time of day and u might as well admit

realest post of 2011, lock all boards

new board description

anyway: wot no Hefner? ilm fave back in the day

OH SHIT THEY CANCELLED THE CULTURE SHOW NO LAUREN LAVERNE :(

for son of stan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1YGc3mPezc

I don't think this band have been mentioned yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7dmIv3vRLE

Truly Horrible song. I used to have both their albums and most of their singles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS9wpmw-8H4

When's the 90s UK pop metal poll coming? Some of those bands were pretty good.

Strangelove were pretty good. Brett Anderson was mates with them and does backing vocals on their album Love & Other Demons. The guitarist actually ended up being in Suede when Neil Codling left for the last album, the peak Suede years.

Brett was also a massive fan of Jack, he definitely favoured the gloomy indie bands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQWt3oMids

Chap go for it

why is number one cup on this list? what do they have to do with "post britpop", seeing how they were a p trad american mid 90s indie band?

This still sounds great, brilliant chorus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-s03-4rEXs

Most notable omission: Shed Seven

I can remember almost all these bands, I used to do my homework with the Evening Session on and they loved all this stuff. Bands I liked at least one song by at the time: 3 Colours Red, Marion, Dodgy, Gene, Echobelly, Kenickie, Menswe@r, Silver Sun... I think Marion are the only ones I still own anything by (7" of 'Sleep' on orange vinyl!) though. Worst of the lot has to be Midget though - a more juvenile, tune-free Symposium (who were in turn a more juvenile, tune-free Ash).

Does Republica belong here? they were always played on the evening session as they had guitars!

M@tt: the song 'Divebomb' by Number One Cup got a lot of evening radio rotation on its release and was probably also on these comp CDs which mostly featured the bands itt

nakh said he took the list from somewhere else so I think it was just a trick of the memory

When's the 90s UK pop metal poll coming? Some of those bands were pretty good.

― Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:05 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

Chap go for it

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:08 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

Depends how many I can remember...

Therapy?
Wildhearts
Headswim
Terrorvision
Senser (if they count)
Kerbdog (think they were Ulster boys, though might've been ROI)

Who else? China Drum maybe?

nakh said he took the list from somewhere else so I think it was just a trick of the memory

― Jari Litmandem (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 24 February 2011 19:28

yeah i subcontracted the listmaking duties to someone else, so liability accepted for any unwanted clementines found in your bespoke box of dead cockroaches

Chap take 50 noms from
How do the various members of Terrorvision spend their time these days?

Oh man, I had the Thurman album. They were local... I thought I had to...

chap: Joyrider? Skyscraper, or am I the only person who remembers them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FtTu0OniZg

forgot how popular that haircut was in the 90s

was it just pulp fiction or

http://i.imgur.com/7C0mr.jpg

For the pop metal poll:

Honeycrack
Skunk Anansie
Dub War (maybe not pop enough)

OH GOD NO NOT REPUBLICA THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR NOW

I have no memory of that catch single, it's weirdly creepy. LOL@ youtube comment:

Good song, but he sung it too camp.
I'd bum him though.
patmick9700 1 year ago

The Almighty
A
Feeder (not sure if they're for the rawk list or should've been on this one but ugh)

Reef

lol pash

Thanks fellas, noms going on here now:

How do the various members of Terrorvision spend their time these days?

a lot of these guys went into a&r i'd bet, hence landfill 00s

the bands listed in the poll are like lammo's children really. the vast outpouring of popular art coming from the evening session's 10-year lock on national radio promo for new bands.

This is an astounding thread

http://i.imgur.com/sbfEK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/43WTp.jpg

carp attack

looooool

'Quattro Formaggi' is such a peerlessly classic name for an anonymous 90s remix

Is there already a thread for britpop remixes?

cos I fuckin loved that shit. proto bloghouse hypem culture, or something.

the manics had dust brothers/chemical brothers remixes that were really good.

yeah they were good. I liked mu-ziq remixing the auteurs too (and Haines' subsequent comments).

Therapy? had a really good Photek remix done on 'em, got me into jungle that did.

Strangelove were pretty good. Brett Anderson was mates with them and does backing vocals on their album Love & Other Demons. The guitarist actually ended up being in Suede when Neil Codling left for the last album, the peak Suede years.

The was Alex Lee who was also in the Blue Aeroplanes round about the time of Swagger.

Therapy? had good taste in remixers: Sabres of Paradise remixed "Nowhere" too (but I can't remember what it sounded like).

Kerbdog (think they were Ulster boys, though might've been ROI)

From Kilkenny (i.e. the Republic)

Their singer is now an Lamacq-alike on RTE

David Holmes did some remixes for Therapy? too, don't think I ever heard them though.

I did like the Chemical Brothers remix of 'Toothache' by The Charlatans at the time.

Also, Therapy, before their first LP, were great - their original drummer, with the almost comically Norn Iron name, Fyfe Ewing, provided a trance-y house-y element that went awol as soon as he left.

Write in vote for shitty indie band Snug, who haven't yet been mentioned in this thread. The shitty indie band that shitty indie solo artist Ed Harcourt was in before he became a shitty indie solo artist.

The 90s UK music press really did use "Ireland" and "Northern Ireland" interchangeably. Ash and the Divine Comedy were always described as "Irish" and then turned out to be from NI and now I'm being surprised that Kerbdog weren't from NI.

Then again I may have been confusing them with Joyrider, as the two are pretty much the same band in my head.

(admission: I was in love with Fyfe Ewing and never quite forgave the band for letting him leave)
(second admission: a friend of a friend went to school with the singer from Therapy? and after many years of moping along to his angst-filled lyrics I was strangely disappointed when said FoaF reported that actually he had been quite popular and even - gasp! - had girlfriends and stuff)

Went to a Bluetones gig in Brighton once. 'Return To The 36 Chambers' by ODB played in it's entirety before they came on. That was good. They were okay.
Still love first Longpigs album.

Fyfe Ewing was a terrific drummer

Didn't like Joyrider much, but they were born out of the Cateran who were pretty good back in the day - basically Edinburgh's answer to Husker Du.

really scraping the barrel now

DG in your opinion what was worse shitty britpop or landfill?

landfill, can name at least two britpop bands

can't believe you guys continued without me :(

lol nineties indie kids, lauren laverne is never going to give u the time of day and u might as well admit

i had crushes on two of kenickie, neither of them the gofton siblings

kenickie drummer kinda looked like the stomach-baby guy from total recall

Scarfo are the elephant in the room here.

they are?

oh god i saw them (supporting seahorses lol before seahorses had released any material so i didnt know they were gonna be so bad)

then i saw the kills supporting primal scream

dudes bound to pop up with a 3rd band in 10 years time

i liked scarfo (and the first 2 kills albums for that matter) quite a bit

"hotel" put out a couple of singles as Fiji in between. 'cattlecount' was fantastic, probably my favourite song the dude was involved in

Kenickie C/D

CLASSIC and if i've said it once i'll say it a million times they had the SPUNKIEST BASS PLAYER evah oh my god swoon swoon swoon

― electric sound of jim, Friday, 24 May 2002 01:00 (8 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i cant even remember the bass player

scarfo were shit, it has to be said

kenickie bassist looked like a giant brian molko

The 90s UK music press really did use "Ireland" and "Northern Ireland" interchangeably. Ash and the Divine Comedy were always described as "Irish" and then turned out to be from NI and now I'm being surprised that Kerbdog weren't from NI.

Not to rake over simmering political coals, but NI is in Ireland, if you take Ireland to mean the second largest of the British Isles - and many people there, and not necessarily just nationalists/ republicans, will happily self identify as 'Irish' without this indicating any political allegiance to the Republic.

iirc, there has been some sort of controversy regarding this point? vaguely sectarian, i think.

If they've been reduced to the level of Facebook pests and playing at the Hobgoblin, then I think their threat has been effectively nullified.

Were split for ten years, now every November they play 1xBrixton Academy and 1xGlasgow/Manchester/Brum equivalent – Fruitbat happy playing the Hobgoblin with his pub rock band the rest of the time, Jim Bob alternatively constantly churns out band album/solo album/acoustic reinvention/memoir/novel/narrates musicals etc etc while hoping for something to catch.

Travis came up alongside Embrace and the like, they were meant to be sort of New Serious Rock. Then their first single came out and was called 'U16 Girls', which kinda put paid to that.

First single was actually All I Wanna Do Is Rock, sadly retitled for commercial release from original All I Wanna Do Is Fuck – could have set them on a different path

and a bad triphop poll too. man that shit was everywhere

Yeah but no-one can tell any of it apart enough to decide what’s good and what’s worst. Unless we can get Matos and Jess back for the thread.

b) Incoherent interlull - there's also the regular fries, lo-fidelity all stars, campag velocet push from the papers around the turn of the millennium.

All of these had great early singles and totally good first albums (okay, if you pretend the Campag one is only LP-length and turn it off at 45 minutes).

remember i am klolt?

Touring Australia THIS VERY MINUTE, talking about how they’ve had their commercial breakthrough recently

menswe@r-I am probably the only person on here that bought the second album, I wouldn't exactly recommend it.

They discovered a new “country direction,” wasn’t it? Sadly a couple of years too early to be adopted and raised up by Allan Jones And His Merry Men.

smaller-The singer (Bagsy i think?) was mates with Noel Gallagher.

Digsy.

Peter Hook's second band with David potts.

Not reeeally I think, iirc the young feller just replaced someone else at the very tail end of Revenge? And then they formed the new band because no-one else could put up with Hooky, or something.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/102267034_af57e96362.jpg

Singer from Embrace, or lovechild of David Cameron and chap?

Anyone remember Strangelove?

-Goth singer called Patrick, stole all of Suede’s haircuts

lol nineties indie kids, lauren laverne is never going to give u the time of day and u might as well admit

idgas abt meeja Laverne, but Kenickie are fukkn grate

xxp Oh, I know, but I'd expect (mainland) British magazines to trumpet their UKishness, like how Scottish bands are British until the mag wants to slag them off, etc - but I guess the two words are a bit unwieldy

this seemed like more of a point when I thought the same was happening in reverse but to be fair I have no idea how or why I thought Kerbdog were from NI except that I vaguely remember a deal being made of them being from somewhere near the same place as Therapy?

what is it with ILM & Kenickie. Go right back to the beginning and it was still the same

xp

let go

i think i had/have a kerbdog pic disc, the bside was a cover of Mr Clean by The Jam

beside 2 kenickie 7"s i got for 50p

50p too much amirite

it is nice to get things for free

i thought the best things in life were meant to be free

Lets not forget the Britpop Bible, the magazine that invented Britpop
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40682000/jpg/_40682146_select_203300.jpg

i'd have to disagree with your choice of words. Select didn't 'invent' Britpop but it may have put a wrapper on a few british pop bands under the britpop tag that made it easier to market and sell to the public. The musicians 'invent' their own music and there are almost no similarities in The Auteurs and St. Etienne, for example, so putting those bands together under the same banner was bogus from the start. St. Etienne are in no way britpop, imo.

It's what the music press wanted to be britpop though. It just didn't happen that way. I still hate that Select cover more than any other though. It just smacks of Daily Mail/Sun type xenophobic shit.

Do people remember how bad Select became from about 1997 onwards? It was atrocious by the very end. Needless to say I bought most issues anyway

idgas abt meeja Laverne, but Kenickie are fukkn grate

kinda think kenickie are the futureheads of this poll in that they may not be the actual worst but goddamn they were pretty bloody bad, and yet somehow they've escaped with a decent reputation, thus making it all the more necessary to BURY THEM

angelica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenickie

I still haven't figured out why Oasis were considered great and Dodgy not. Except Liam Gallagher was an asshole and Dodgy were not (and obviously, assholes sell papers) See also the reason why John Lennon (who was an asshole) is seen as much "cooler" than Paul McCartney (who is actually a nice, but somewhat boring, guy)

(And I think this attitude comes through in the reasoning why NME consider Chris Martin one of the worst frontmen ever - frankly, he doesn't give them any headlines, and they hate him for that)

oasis, dodgy, lennon and mccartney are pretty much equal to me

equal WORST EVER, of course

geir, oasis made a really great debut album, dodgy never made any good albums and good enough was one of the greatest crimes against music ever.

angelica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenickie

Teenage Girl Crush is a cute song but so twee I'm surprised your ears don't curdle!

i heard TGC for the first time in years and thought it was completely painful

take me i'm your disease is their best trk

angelica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenickie

― lex pretend

Hahahaha, this is why lex is always wrong. Seriously? Have you listened to Angelica lately? They were SHIT written on a toilet wall with a shitty stick. One of the absolute worst bands ever. Oh, and by the way lex, you might want to find out what music they're making now. I think you would throw up.

oasis made a really great debut album

No, not at all. They did make a really good followup though. But not as good as Dodgy at their best.

But sure, the critics couldn't accept Dodgy because Dodgy was pure pop, without any rock elements at all. And yet, the classic Beatlesque form of pop, not the hip-hop/dance-influenced stuff that people tended to confuse with pop by the mid 90s.

Powerpop fans know that Dodgy are great, but they were not assholes enough for the music press to like. They didn't have the rock'n'roll attitude or any other kind of attitude for that matter. They were just clever musicians, knowing how to construct good pop tunes and arrange them in a clever way.

i've never heard "teenage girl crush"! the only angelica i heard was their the end of a beautiful career mini-album, which weirdly i went back to a couple of months ago and it HOLDS UP. kenickie always seemed a bit graceless to me even at the time.

Oh, and by the way lex, you might want to find out what music they're making now. I think you would throw up.

of course in many respects my musical tastes are the opposite of Lex's, but if anything I have a higher tolerance for twee but smug look-at-me ineptitude, and that is just. too. much.

kenickie always seemed a bit graceless to me even at the time.

You're getting it wrong. "Grace" isn't the point.

Didn't actually like Kenickie at the time and they don't really have any kind of rep now except for a bit of residual affection, but Punka is still a decent tune.

Still got a soft spot for that one Mint Royale song w/LL tbh

I'll always love Kenickie they had a perfect career. The debut was a really exciting record full of energy and great tunes. Then just over a year later they put out a second album that was a great Britpop comedown album (five months before Pulp's This Is Hardcore which did a similar thing) It still had some poppy moments but on the whole was quite dark and sounded like they were already burning out, especially on the song Weekenights. Then they split weeks later after a shambolic a gig where they Lauren Lavern said "We were Kenickie...a bunch of fuckwits" It was all so brief but it was exciting and they left two great records that still sound good now.

But sure, the critics couldn't accept Dodgy because Dodgy was pure pop, without any rock elements at all. And yet, the classic Beatlesque form of pop, not the hip-hop/dance-influenced stuff that people tended to confuse with pop by the mid 90s.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro)

Actually they were really critically acclaimed when they started out.

http://www.rocklist.net/

They rated The Dodgy Album higher than The Verve, Radiohead, Manics, Paul Weller, Rage Against The Machine, New Order and most amazingly Nirvana.

Also Geir I think when you said

They were just clever musicians, knowing how to construct good pop tunes and arrange them in a clever way.

You were possibly getting them confused with The Boo Radleys, who at times wrote brilliant simple pop but also made interesting albums that sound just as good now and even did entertaining interviews in the press, Basically they were everything Dodgy were not.

The Rocklist link was meant to be the 1993 NME Albums list which has The Dodgy album at number 17.

yeah I mentioned this earlier re Dodgy, think the 'party line' was morelike "these noodleheads are never gonna be cool or big stars but they can't half write a nice tune"

critics couldn't 'accept' dodgy because dodgy were shite

how true

I couldn't accept Dodgy because they were named Dodgy and therefore already knew everything about themselves that I could ever contribute

lol menswear, bought that album :(

tbf its one of the best albums released by anyone on here

longpigs-The first album had some great singles and the second one was kind of a lost indie classic, the singer was a twat though.

longpigs, divine comedy, gomez are the only 3 here that i f/w though and gomez not anymore really

Lead singer of Gomez playing solo at Shepherd's Bush Hall next month - I was there last night and they had posters up advertising it. Not sure if it's too much time on ILX that I immediately thought of this thread and would've been tempted to deface the poster with "can't believe this cunt's still going" if I had a pen on me.

worst post britpop era song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGwB-f1xfxM&feature=related

Would rather listen to that than Gene or Shed Seven.

haha

srsly with a lot of britpop it's difficult to parse song and artist titles

posh / mermaid
bingo / catch
oasis / supersonic

I actually liked a handful of Dodgy songs from Howngrown and the singles for that album. Never heard the other album(s).

staying out for the summer was okay.

but that was it. good enough is one of the worst songs ever recorded

So Let Me Go Far was pretty good too.

You were possibly getting them confused with The Boo Radleys, who at times wrote brilliant simple pop but also made interesting albums that sound just as good now and even did entertaining interviews in the press, Basically they were everything Dodgy were not.

The only pure pop album Boo Radleys made was "Wake Up", which is usually hated by the same people who hate Dodgy. The others were all full of screaming and really loud guitars, i.e. not pop but rock. Hard rock even.

But, sure, I know, they were critically acclaimed for a while. In fact, those who hate them do it because of just one song. A song that was far from their best, but still by far their biggest hit.

http://i.imgur.com/OWfS4.jpg

ha, i thought 'no way no way' sounded pretty bad in my head, but actually listening to it, it's baffling that anyone thought this was something suitable for release.

(and then people bought it!)

the 'and you can hold me' bit is one of the three or four most important pieces of recorded sound in the 20th century

girl just finds notes nobody else could reach

and once she finds them, she fuckin disembowels them

was it a prank by the big breakfast or something?

7 decent songs from this lot

“into the blue” – geneva
“sleep well tonight” – gene
“neighbourhood” – space
“what do I do now” – sleeper
“whippin picadilly” – gomez
“not so manic now” – dubstar
“the frog princess” – the divine comedy

I used to love Dubstar's "Inside" back in 1997 or so, but it's not on youtube so I can't verify whether it still holds up.

I do remember reading some review of Dubstar that said something like, "we've all long imagined what it would be like if the world's two best bands (The Smiths and New Order) collaborated, then it happened and it was Electronic and it wasn't very good, but this is much better" - typical myopic British music crit obv but what I remember is not perceiving it as myopic at the time, even though my own listening habits were far more broad even then. The uk music crit style is so confident - and there's so much of it - that it's pretty good at self-legitimising to suggestible young readers.

Can it be true that this thread has so many posts without anyone linking to the trapped in amber beauty of Northern Uproar's website?

omfg

Stories

Chris and Leon went for a hike up Ygairne near Tryffyn in Wales, the wind was blowing at 80 mph and they had to crawl and slither to keep from being blown away.
When they got back down to the bottom, Leon slipped and hurt his ankle, but instead of going to the hospital like any mere mortals would do... they went to the pub for some liquid anaesthetic.
Not 'til the next day did Leon find out that he had actually broken his ankle!

Northern upLAD

The uk music crit style is so confident - and there's so much of it - that it's pretty good at self-legitimising to suggestible young readers.

Sooooo OTM. The preening bullshitters who staffed the NME and Melody Maker persuaded me to buy any number of terrible records in the early '90s, and it was some time before I developed the self-confidence to accept that I was right not to see any value in most of the bands they were pushing.

These were all great:
divine comedy
dodgy
dubstar
gene
sleeper
bluetones
silver sun
supernaturals

Plus Gomez and Hurricane #1 (and even many of the others) also had brief moments of greatness.

hahaha Northern Uproar's fanclub is ("is") based in Truro

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^^^

Stand and Fight is the third album by British band Northern Uproar, and the first after their reunion in 2005. It was released in 2007.

The only pure pop album Boo Radleys made was "Wake Up", which is usually hated by the same people who hate Dodgy. The others were all full of screaming and really loud guitars, i.e. not pop but rock. Hard rock even.

― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro)

Wake Up had some pretty strange moments on it too, I would say King Size was their most pop album. Even Giant Steps had some pure pop moments like Wish I Was Skinny and Barney (& Me).

If the Boo Radleys don't count how about Teenage Fanclub? The critics loved them and they definitely fit into your description of pure pop and I don't remember them being assholes or rock n roll in the press. The difference is they had big fuck off tunes and a few great albums. It's not really a case of the press not being able to accept Dodgy, they obviously just didn't rate them past their first album. Judging by the many singles they put out I can see why, the worst offender being Found You.

Didn't one of Dodgy used to go out with Denise van Outen? Couple of half-decent songs (So Let Me Go Far was almost good), but mostly rubbish.

I once went into an Italian restaurant in Soho that had several pictures of Jocasta on the walls.

Worst on this list is definitely Heavy Stereo. Awful fucking band, and really horrible people as well.

think it's p much mandatory for italian restaurants to have autographed photos of minor celebs over the wall (ususally from the kerry dixon / mad frankie fraser / her out of are you being served school, so 90s indie chancers are quite avant garde in context)

w/r/t music press plausibility: when one week the editorial line was don't like oasis? r u a nazi? and the next its like oasis? r u a nazi? it wasnt difficult to work out to just ignore the silly cunts

northern uproar website like finding a pacific island full of dinosaurs

the only reward those journos got was to end up writing for failed mags then failed blogs and/or posting here (or sleeping w/lauren laverne, ymmv)

If the Boo Radleys don't count how about Teenage Fanclub?

I like Teenage Fanclub, but they are still a bit too Americana influenced to really score with me. Dodgy were archetypically English in a Beatles/Hollies/Who way while Teenage Fanclub are considerably more Byrds/Big Star.

The critics also loved "Parklife", which is a lot closer to the musical spirit that makes me love Dodgy than Teenage Fanclub ever were. But, again, basically, Dodgy were more powerpop than Britpop, and fans of powerpop still love everything by them. Powerpop, unlike Britpop, has never been "cool" with the hipsters though (OK, maybe it was for a very short while around 1978-79, but it was much more needed in the 90s)

Well I've never come across any of these power pop fans who like everything Dodgy put out (apart from you) but to me they were just everything that was wrong with Britpop, although they are worse bands on the list like Embrace.

The NME had Big Star in their heartbreak list, best albums of all time and albums that students should own, if the NME is what mean by hipsters then I would say they are seen as very cool.

Powerpop, unlike Britpop, has never been "cool" with the hipsters though

fwiw this is rong btw

yeah wtf

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/129/l_c13a0d25feed4626adc737d168954526.jpg

"BUNGALOW BUMS are from Omsk in southern Siberia. They’ve been around since 2006, when they originally cranked out songs under the direct influence of britpop and US rock. With time, however, their interests and influences have moved backwards through the history books. Their listed idols begin with the time-tested threesome of The Stooges, MC5, and the New York Dolls. Somewhere in this post, therefore, the term garage rock is bound to pop up.

http://www.myspace.com/bungalowbums

http://www.last.fm/music/Bungalow+Bums

Should never have allowed Geir a visa into Siberia for his holiday look at the cultural damage he's done.

geirov hongroski

the URL alone of the Northern Uproar site is a joyful burst of anticipatory nostalgia

Northern Uproar Membership Club.
P.O Box 102.
Truro.
TR1 3RF
UK.

everyone write to them asking for signed copies of a cd

http://www.n-uproar.u-net.com/images/review_1.gif

the source code of the website says it was designed by some guy called 'blueski'?

The NME had Big Star in their heartbreak list, best albums of all time and albums that students should own, if the NME is what mean by hipsters then I would say they are seen as very cool.

Big Star, along with Cheap Trick, were really the least powerpop of powerpop bands. A lot of power, but not a lot of pop. But sure, the kind of powerpop fans that prefer Big Star to Beatles or Beach Boys will not be all that much into Dodgy. I am speaking more of the McCartneyesque line of powerpop: Jellyfish, Crowded House etc.

i vaguely remember that northern uproar did a photoshoot for jeans or something?

every sixth form in the country had a dire band that sounded a bit like oasis, NU were just lucky enough to be the ones that got a record deal. the gallagher bros enabled loads of really boring "unpretentious" guys to make music, without being considered weird or moshers or whatever.

Northern Uproar, like most second rate Britpoppers, did make a couple of rather nice anthemic ballads. But then, people who hate Britpop hate anthemic ballads. Bad for them, missing out on such a fantastic kind of musical form that anthemic ballads have always been.

Those fools!

i'm missing out on anthemic ballads like i'm missing out on dengue fever

i like anthemic r'n'b or hip hop ballads, tho. i just don't think white ppl have been up to the task of late.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf2seuctNK1qcjrs8.png

sorry

so if anthemic ballads are so great, why don't people like them? why do young americans, scots and norwegians prefer rihanna, jay z and my chemical romance to dodgy, cast and jellyfish?

so if anthemic ballads are so great, why don't people like them? why do young americans, scots and norwegians prefer rihanna, jay z and my chemical romance to dodgy, cast and jellyfish?

The hipsters don't consider singalong quality to be a quality, but that doesn't mean nobody else does. Anthemic ballads by the likes of Coldplay and Travis have actually been very popular, and while they may appeal to a somewhat older generation, the kids have also gotten into anthemic ballads by the likes of Avril Lavigne, Pink, Kelly Clarkson and Taylor Swift.

The kids weren't into anthemic ballads in the 90s though. And certain people on ILX tend to live in the 90s, not realizing that the pre-90s has long since come back.

hey geir are crowded house and jellyfish really powerpop when they like have no power in the pop?

ohhhhh now feel it comin back again
like a trollin' hongro chasing the wind

shame oasis, the verve etc didn't do anthems, could really have helped their careers, ;_; ashcroft

really sad to hear about ashcroft

poor dude

Big Star, along with Cheap Trick, were really the least powerpop of powerpop bands. A lot of power, but not a lot of pop.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro)

September Gurls is probably the ultimate power pop song, it doesn't get much more pop than that.

I honestly don't think you know what you are saying. Why do you have all these rules about what genres bands are? Dodgy were Britpop and nothing else, well apart from being complete shit of course.

Also who are these hipsters you keep referring to and how do you know exactly their views on anthemic ballads? Saying the kids didn't like anthemic ballads in the 90's makes no sense as Oasis did pretty well with their ballads and I definitely remember people singing along to Wonderwall and Don't Look Back In Anger, I know as I was a kid in the 90's and a lot of other kids I knew loved Oasis especially their anthemic ballads.

Oh and this is Northern Uproar's anthemic ballad, it's called Town and it's one of the worst songs ever made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCtYJhh3CXU

Those poor hipsters missing out on gems like this.

reminds me why i hate ballads

"Town" is a great song. Northern Uproar were shit when they did "rock" though. Too noisy and screamy.

Generally rock bands are at their best when they do not rock. Pop (in its classic McCartneyesque form) is superior to all other genres.

As for "September Gurls", yes, it is a good song. A good song from an OK album that generally still rocks too much. And the next Big Star album rocked even more, which was even worse. "#1 Album" was a great pop album though, but not even close to the greatness of other great powerpop acts such as Crowded House, Jellyfish and classic McCartney.

maybe these britpop/landfill bands are unsuccessful and unpopular because they were unattractive? whereas the beatles were famous for their legions of screaming female fans

There was a reason why The Beatles, unlike Herman's Hermits, also had lots of male fans.

geir those "powerpop" bands you like lack power. theres no power in them at all.

Powerpop isn't mainly about power, it is more about pop, as in traditional pop with a nostalgic twist.

The most important influences on powerpop are the three B's - Beatles, Byrds and Beach Boys - none of which were particularly "powerful". Powerpop is, basically, McCartnesque pop.

so why call it powerpop when its just pop with no power?

My thinking had always been that powerpop was generated to describe the sound of bands like Big Star...

as a genre term I mean...

The Jam is the first band that comes to my mind when I hear the term.

nah that's white power pop

I always thought that "power pop" was a term invented by Chas De Whalley at Sounds in late 1977 in order to confer "movement" status upon a bunch of skinny-tied post-punk bands with 1960s-derived pop sensibilities: The Pleasers, New Hearts, Advertising, The Yachts etc. Then the term crossed over to the US in time for The Knack in 1979. But we've done this before...