Max B The Thread

For the last couple months ive listened to nothing but this dude. This is total late pass for me obv -- i just assumed he was, like, a Hell Rell type talent for a long time & bought the "NY fell of" narrative past when it was fair. But now I can't get this stuff off my ipod.

drop the top / picture me rollin / stake sause / blow me a dub / goon music / i warned u / flash dance / where do i go / all my life ... this stuff is kind of perfect to me, blend of really melodic ear & lyrical rapping, matter-of-fact real talk and a reggae-style inclination for reversioning classic pop jams ("do for love" "I want you" even effin "Englishman in new york"). dame grease's production is extroverted pop ish but with a real dilapidated feel, appropriate for post-golden era new york.

anyone else feelin these band

For the last couple months ive listened to nothing but this dude.

you don't say

...

guy's voice is weird, could never get into his stuff

ive even come around to digging french montana :O

i do wish whiney would stick to ruining his own threads

guy's voice is weird, could never get into his stuff

― some dude, Monday, January 31, 2011 10:13 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

sorta the appeal is that hes got this grimey persona
really musically-minded dude tho, apparently wrote a bunch of hits for jim jones too

Jim Jones has a bunch of hits?

yes?

i mean w/in the rap world, sure

like charted R&B but not top 40

either way, writing "We Fly High" is nothing to be proud of imo

\Oo/ obv it shows if faculty for writing hits that resonate w/ a lot of ppl cuz it sure wasnt the production that made that one a smash

i think that song is dope tho

eh, my favorite Jim Jones ghostwriter is NOE

i feel as if am0n would enjoy max b.

RNT put up a new mix last week

http://realniggatumblr.tumblr.com/post/2894102188/max-b-the-miscellaneous-wave-i-am-not

yah i copped, thats not a good place to start tho -- id start w/ either 'coke wave,' 'gain greene' or 'quarantine'

or really, the picture me rollin video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwUfmepthOU

yeah i was posting that link mostly for non-wave virgins

i would bet on m@tt helgeson liking more of this stuff as well altho i believe he has checked some

Tim i could see appreciating it although perhaps not being particularly attached to it -- its max might be the kind of artist who doesnt transcend american ilxors

oooowww-wwwwwwwwwwww we sip grand cru

deej what was that one max song from last year that you really liked

'where do i go'

right

chka-ow, ow ow

#

If i bomb this in my moms crips she B tellin me Put this shit on Repeat its WAVEY!!!!
wavycrockett020 6 months ago 25

otm this totally has old head appeal

i like the one max b tape i downloaded

i am not all that old imo

lol @ he1geson thinking that you can "download" cassette tapes

good effort tho, grandpa

looking forward to this thread i just got around to coke wave this weekend. he really is so greasy

when does he get out of jail

in an interview he suggested hed be out by summer

but im pretty sure his appeal hasnt actually been granted yet?? so summer, or 2085

XD/;_;

yeah i'm into this to a point, like i said when he came up in swag last year thru the first rnt comp. i got into him thru noz, predictably enough. this post, in fact. deej is actually in the comments there but since a gucci track was up first i guess there was no way he was gonna make it to the end. anyway i ended up dling a lot of tapes, reading everything i could abt him and actually wrote the original version of his current wikipedia entry for some reason.

i think noz realized he was doing something unique in NY with his relationship to melody, sort of like a less embarrassed, less cynical 50. 50 often sounds like he's too gangster to really try to sing, so he'll just indicate melody enough to get it across or condescend to make it commercial. with max b his woozy relationship with melody is inherent in every track, inherent to who he is & what he's doing on the track. anyway i agree coke wave is a good starting point, & quarantine next. i have a few more but i can't really distinguish them tbh. there was always another tape coming up. on further investigation btw, last year's A Wave Called Yes is a mix of old and 'new', i presumed it was all old because it has shit like "tattoos on her ass" on it plus, u know, he's in jail.

i presumed he was gonna be in jail forever, plus after the first flush of summer i think his mixtapes are just a nice listen, so i'm not really excited abt him as a future talent at this point but i'm enjoying bumping coke wave again, it's sounding gr8.

This whole tape is great forgettable and fun sing song rap in the way that Kid Cudi’s publicist would probably throw around those words, except for real. (It’s probably not new either in the sense that Max might have dropped six tapes since.) Here Max and one of his weed carriers from straight out the Roy Rogers Fixins Bar float around on this ethereal track. It’s like something the Block Beataz would whip up had they grown up on the Heatmakers instead of Mannie Fresh.

noz on "all my life" & Quarantine from the above link

have we talked about the choppa down video yet??? it's so ridiculous

i've got the "best of the wave" mixtape - it's some dope thugged out melodic music but i don't have too much to say about it really. 50 is the obvious reference point for me. what's the crossover with this tape and the others you've mentioned btw?

coke wave is a classic

man its sooo funny how these guys sing their own hooks, reminds me of like hillbilly music or drunk ppl or dogs howling in the night -- & like when he harmonizes w/ his own adlibs singing falsetto soo lol. really charming though. wavy is my current favourite bitches all love us biggavella macaroni with the cheesy... easy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD1QmYQu39M

my concurrent musical discovery/obsession is this australian punk band uv race who, idk, as little as they have in common in any way, get by on a lot of the same charms; blurring the lines b/w intentional sloppiness & musical defiency backed up w/ lots of personality & actual talent

lol & also cool that zvookster wrote his wikipedia page

haha oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42_ZAFZr4XU

deej is actually in the comments there but since a gucci track was up first i guess there was no way he was gonna make it to the end.

nah that was where i first heard him too. i was int he comments bcuz tray said wipe me down was trash, nothing 2 do w/ gucci. cmon, thats pretty weak concern trolling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt8P4-7-CTg

pete rock did a song w/ max b & it bangs.

heres what it said when pete rock talked about it in vibe:
NY's Finest--Pete Rock (2008)
“I got introduced to Jim Jones through someone who was working with him. I called him up and said, ‘Hey, I’m going to come through your session with some beats.’ We did a song called ‘G’s Up,’ which was on Jim Jones’ first solo album. Then from that came the song ‘We Roll’ from New York’s Finest. This was before Max B got locked up. Jim told me that Max actually convinced him to jump on that song because he didn’t understand how to come in on the beat. Max was kind of helping him out [laughs]. But it came out excellent.

lately this has been my fav max b

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CP6SZ29U94

deej is actually in the comments there but since a gucci track was up first i guess there was no way he was gonna make it to the end.

nah that was where i first heard him too. i was int he comments bcuz tray said wipe me down was trash, nothing 2 do w/ gucci. cmon, thats pretty weak concern trolling

― *kl0p* (deej), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:38 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

wait you never heard Max B before 2009? like 2-3 years after "Baby Girl" and "You Gotta Love It"? weird.

id heard OF him of course, and i heard him on some other shit since, he was on that jay diss track or w/e, but it was the first solo song of his i heard yeah.

or at least, that i heard & registered as 'worth hearing'

this is kind of irrelevant but i actually first heard it cuz dudes at dirtyglovesbastard had highlighted it, which is where noz first heard it too i believe

yeah "You Gotta Love It" was the Jay diss. but like "Baby Girl" was the Jim Jones semi-hit he was actually on, i thought that's what we were talking about upthread!

ive heard it since then!

i basically was ignoring a lot of that stuff in favor of kinda gritty back to basics ny rap records back then -- styles & prodigy & nyg'z and blaq poet etc

at least when it came to ny

http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/feature.php?i=47&s=91

heres the full story of his arrest & everything

def interesting even if you arent feeling the music

yeah i remember reading that when it first ran. pretty weird story.

max might be the kind of artist who doesnt transcend american ilxors

― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, January 31, 2011

seeing as i was the only person who responded with any enthusiasm to your confession that u were feeling the rnt comp, imma say no on that

nothing 2 do w/ gucci. cmon, thats pretty weak concern trolling

― *kl0p* (deej), Tuesday, February 1, 2011

oh yeah it was noz's other max b post where u had hurt feelings re gucci, sorry for reducing u to a stereotype.

as a grown man who was once repeatedly reduced to furiously typing "shut the fuck up, you're irish" in an internet rap argument, u shld learn to 1) take a joke once in a while 2) think "i actually got off kinda lightly there, thank goodness i only get clowned every now and then and am not a total joke figure on here"

was that on ilx

as a grown man who was once repeatedly reduced to furiously typing "shut the fuck up, you're irish" in an internet rap argument, u shld learn to 1) take a joke once in a while 2) think "i actually got off kinda lightly there, thank goodness i only get clowned every now and then and am not a total joke figure on here"

― *jumps off the page* (zvookster), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 11:30 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude i 'took a joke' about gucci plenty of times on here -- i havent even talked about dude in earnest for months, how is it not at zinging al for ebony eyez levels? & the fact that there is a cbraps post where i was discussing gucci = why would u have to make shit up anyway? shitty posting is shitty posting

& saying ppl outside the states might not be into it wasnt some kind of diss \Oo/ i just see how like yelawolf or the alabama dudes would appeal more, max might appeal less -- r/t/c (uk btw) has observed this on the board himself w/r/t gucci

is that deleted link "first day out"?? if so, deej was completely otm

shitty posting is shitty posting

making a mild joke at deej's expense is shitty posting, everyone walk on eggshells around hypersensitive deej

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftkrHJkw1qf8yek.gif

jokes are funny

smh

bleh whatever maybe i misread ur tone

less bullshit more max b

downloaded 'coke wave' and haven't really stopped listening to it. max b's voice is just fucking cool isn't it? 'do for drugs' is hilarious + dope

i guess my pt about non-americans was totally off lol

coke wave sounds better & better to me over time

zvookster is a grown ass man? idk why but i've always imagined you a young dude, maybe it was profuse use of abbrevs that threw me off? i guess it does explain your eloquence & maturity & knowledge of "old rap"

deej what would you recommend as the logical "next step" after coke wave

that was abt deej, floppers

o!

my mum uses mad abbrevs in her txt messages yo #justsayin

go to bed u

lol

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110102160702/muppet/images/2/2d/You_Learn_Something_New_Every_Day_Title_Card.jpg

zvookster this is a kip thread

deej are u having some sort of breakdown or something

??? im just trying to get us back on topic bro

i like max b

potmXII circa 2007 is feeling a bit vindicated here

one of my roommates for hte past 5 ish months is probably the biggest biggavelli fan below harlem. he is like a max b archivist/historian. he doesn't like French Montana only because he is a total Max B purist

get him to make us a mixtape

he lvoes videos of him, like non-music videos. just footage of max b. i hear that awful drunk laugh coming from the living at all hours.

"cchchchhchchchhhhhhhh!!"

this guy is a serious fucking drunk

if they ever release season 1 and 2 of Biggavelli TV (which they actually used to post on wshh) on dvd he will write the liner notes

in 2013 can we start a Sen City thread? cuz he's very underrated. byrd gang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSda9B6f0B8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN7KbuYAq80

get him to make us a mixtape

if he did it would probably be this stuff, anything from this era that uses the magic combination of misogyny + booze is his favorite genre of wave. the MOB /stack bundles era. before he broke off with jim. before he started putting his flunkies french montana and mack mustard on everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAy7j5FmNuQ

omg this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjOlESr0diM

SORRY /posting

hey deej thanks for turning me on to this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuVVPuJkxS8

i thought the new single ('money make me feel better') was only a solid B+ at first but the more I listen the more I like it. strong grower imo

dude that helped jordan & me w/ the gucci lyrics of '09 post last year made a playlist of his fav max b tracks, i fuck w/ this
http://i51.tinypic.com/20z8chi.png

although id put 'i warned u' off coke wave before 'been around' and wheres 'drop that top' or 'deez my streets'??

i love "money make me feel better" -- beat does a lot of the work i think but max's charisma can carry that style of song well

the max i listen to this best of that RNT made

http://i53.tinypic.com/jqqixg.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_bTHoYlFmk

lol whoops that was supposed to be in gun sounds

yeah ive got that too, its a bit inconsistent for me tho & way too long for an intro. 'gain greene' is aite, i dunno, ive listened to a whole bunch of his tapes now & they work in difft ways so

yeah i don't usually listen to the jones disses but i like the fact that it's long, lets you pick thru stuff

http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/eb12568408a1ec0f4992d4b5bde2cc8e9ffcf20_r.png

woohoo lp is out

me right now: d~_~b

whats the new one called

vigilante season

its his debut

'live comfortable' 'porno muzik' 'where do i go' 'tattoos on her ass' + the single are old, anything else?

wasn't feeling this last night what did u guys think?

altho i did listen to it at like 4 am after getting high & watching punch drunk love prob not the ideal state of mind 4 max b

well the being high part probably is

this reminds me of the oj album in that it sounds like a bunch of tracks from the mixtapes, without dj drops. theres not enough of a substantial change to make it feel like "ahh, the debut" the way you did going into say GRODT. i do think this record is pretty dope, but in a low key way & much like gucci doesnt stand out in his catalog of mixtapes

i pretty much feel it -- i think it's easily one of the best albums of the year so far but i think lots of rappers are dealing w/ this same problem

it seems like you can go three ways

-- go full pop like b.o.b. wiz khalifa & pretty much abandon any trace of rap in your music, at least the rap of your mixtapes

-- go halfway like gucci did w/ SVRD and end up w/ some softserve joints that no one wants to hear interspersed w/ hi-fi versions of your bread & butter like "heavy" or w/e

-- make an album quality mixtape like max or waka or boosie that has better quality & quality control than your albums & no dj drops but doesn't feel like a 'growth' of sorts (maybe the waka is objectionable in this context)

waka's an exception cuz he didnt have nearly as much material out as boosie or max. but thats otherwise otm

max's other prob here of course being that hes in jail & cant record his own 'lemonade' or w/e

right

what was the last thing released before he went to jail?

iirc some of the stuff on this is the last stuff he recorded before jail but his last big tape was quarantine

lol @ his wiki having the heading 'false murder charges'

yeah i saw that last night and was all ^________^ + ooowww

good album imo

yep

btw

He states that he’ll be out by the summer and plans on releasing a double album

i think max is one of the only rappers around now who i really want to hear a "pop" album from - could be amazing.

fuck toby keith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1La6Jp5xFbU&feature=player_embedded

i never get tired of 'where do i go'

they removed the unofficial official video!! wtf

wish id saved that :(

fav moment in 'goon music' is the meeno verse u know anything abt him deej?

got dem bricks dem bundles dem p's
whut a nigga thought they wadn't gone see meens
please i go off on a bitch like deez
keep a hood rat with a pocket full of cheese

& so lol how you can heart him grunting impatiently during the boring dame grease verse

max b program listening for tonight

- out on bond (2 million dollar baby)
http://edge-img.datpiff.com/mf88bee0/Max_B_Out_On_Bond_2_Million_Dollar_Baby-front-large.jpg

going to give vigilante season another try too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oPq9YVyNqQ

WHY U DO THAT

other than 'we roll' the only max b released on vinly afaik !!!

well & jim jones shit obv

'it was just like yesterday when i gave her the penis / she stroked my ego when she called me a musical genius' san te lolz on that one

glad "south wave" got a video, one of the best songs on the album

MAX AIN'T BROKE MAX B GOT A BENZY

Would this album be a good introduction to Max B? Or am i better off checking out one of the mixtapes?

niggas wanna pass me when i go slow
bitches say i'm nasty when i go low

Would this album be a good introduction to Max B? Or am i better off checking out one of the mixtapes?

― Number None, Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:16 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'd probably go with a mixtape but the album is really very good, it's just prob a bit more straight laced for ppl that are into the super out there, wavy max singing over britney spears beats type shit

Cool, thanks.

if you haven't heard anything i'd def first check out those songs that deej lists in his opening post

R2, D2
you ain't sneaky i peeped you
i could hit you from afar
by the dark coupe
snip your earlobes
i'm the sharpshoot

Yeah i did listen to a few youtubes and stuff. Will do a more in-depth investigation though.

i know he's not hostile towards jim anymore but the diss on "green gain" from 'vigilante season' is pretty great

they said i'd never rap again
i'ma clap again, until i'm all out
i balls out
me & homes never had a fall out
i ain't like the bitch from the jump start
he was all jealous of the pope
like he could ever come close
taught the nigga everything he know (ballin!)
???? shady rider man
he's the hobgoblin i'm the spiderman
i'm the tighter man, with the wavy
told the whole world i was broke
but i just spent eighty
just did... gravy
biggavells, where'd you get your house from?
you could thank amalgam
owwwwwwwww

listen to coke wave number none

coke wave is classic & near perfect imo

its one of my favourite albums of all time

cooleh story is really poorly written but it seems like he could have a shot on appeal idk

wtf happened to zvookster? he was annoying itt

the big zvookster post is the best in the entire thread fyi esp this

i think noz realized he was doing something unique in NY with his relationship to melody, sort of like a less embarrassed, less cynical 50. 50 often sounds like he's too gangster to really try to sing, so he'll just indicate melody enough to get it across or condescend to make it commercial. with max b his woozy relationship with melody is inherent in every track, inherent to who he is & what he's doing on the track

i dont think he quite has it there, altho i agree that max has a unique take on melody -- its a starting pt
but i dont want to give it away 4 free if u get my meaning :D

also all his other posts were distracting/annoying

... this stuff is kind of perfect to me, blend of really melodic ear & lyrical rapping, matter-of-fact real talk and a reggae-style inclination for reversioning classic pop jams ("do for love" "I want you" even effin "Englishman in new york"). dame grease's production is extroverted pop ish but with a real dilapidated feel, appropriate for post-golden era new york.

this is really great

just fwiw

ya definitely. dilapidated is perfect & so true, think of it especially on beats like 'goon music' or ones that sound like low-bitrate g unit beats

ive had that fucking 'wa-deedee dah dee dayyy' thread stuck in my head for days now

*melody* not thread lol

it's kinda weird that max slipped thru the cracks critically, being a dipset affiliate who isn't that far off of wayne's druggy, crooning prolific mixtape period

is raps arent obviously 'clever' so ppl who jumped on the wayne thing might be at a loss

im not really surprised by the lack of critical attention at all... hes a grassroots artist & critics are notoriously terrible at catching onto this stuff

only max can do this shit

http://youtu.be/RL_8p1HAsXk

played 'why you do that' 12" DJing last nite & it sounded amazing. its a damn tragedy that these dudes all rose in teh post-vinyl era. i want gucci's 'my shadow' on wax

tyler's putting his album out on vinyl, you should pre-order :)

ugh

noz's bedroom rap feature in the wire is a nice way to let me know of rap acts never to check for

yo you should check out that shady blaze i linked to in gun sounds -- the guy is from main attrakionz (who i've never heard) but there's no way that you wouldn't dig it -- maybe it's a little too unpolished for you tastes but it's basically contemplative doubletime trae raps with some r&b doubletime twista raps

ill check it out

you know who's a solid rapper? french montana

of course then he went & pulled an oj the juiceman on me & released that terrible mix cd w/ lex luger beats real & fake

I have now listened to both Coke Wave and the new album. I also like French Montana, hadn't heard anything of his before apart from that single with Curren$y from last year. Anyway i really like this stuff, but i always enjoy a rapper who's not afraid to indulge in some semi-amateurish crooning so it definitely ticks that box.

french montana is so goofy & sometimes comes in awkwardly but it's true he's surprisingly solid & really grows on u

nigga get wit her or get rolled over
on the grind can't get a day sober
breaks over, goon music takeover
cocaine in a coke wave makeover
i done seen real niggas foldover

feel like french handles his big awkward cadence well, always kind of towers over beats rather than riding them or adapting his flow to them

btw i love meeno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8enxTpfIOvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ck_weyoMeA&feature=related

obv he is not dame grease's #1 priority but regardless

yah otm re: french's flow, i think the moment it hit me was that 'money weed blow' track w/ 3-6

MONEY
MONEY
WEEEEED BLOW
PIMPIN
PIMPIN
LAWWWTS OF HO

haha that "uptown" video looks like a lot of fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U8HAeRokQo

yo ive been bumping quarantine -- that shit is as classic as coke wave, maybe not as classic but its more Next Level

that guest verse on the last track. holy shit

beat on the title track :O

'friends' beat :O

me, dame grease gon rise
they hate us
ridin like big on the escalator
time to address the haters
niggas get left on respirators
on a jet, got a jet to vegas
couple white friends, got jets in flavors

HAIR NOT DONE BUT IT'S SLICKED BACK
DON JUAN CHILL
MAX B THE YOUNG RON O' NEAL
HOW YOU ACTIN LIKE THE GOD WON'T PEEL?

the second verse on "blowin my high" from vigilante season is sooo dope

dame roll the haze up, we ain't smoked enough
bezzie all brick, all frozen and stuff
chump act like he all chosen and stuff
pop at your forehead, nose and your gut
i'm known in the cut
i know a few hoes that'll shoot thru customs with o's in they butt

24 INCH RIMS, STROBES IN THE TRUCK

chill dawg i'm tryna get in my groove
puff on a lil haze and get up in the mood, but ya
all in my ears, i'm checkin for the hoes all in my eyes
muhfucka you blowin my hiiiiiiiiiigh

"live comfortable"

^^the beat for this has fatman scoop vocal samples buried real deep or am i hallucinating

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG5VV5vB4r0

^^^^incredible incredible incredible beat

xp:

^^the beat for this has fatman scoop vocal samples buried real deep or am i hallucinating

― J0rdan S., Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:13 AM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes

his performance on that is great -- it def has this feel of almost going off the rails, it's almost like he recorded the song in a car that was going 90 mph on a freeway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzubuc85n7E&feature=player_profilepage

'This nigga sound like donald duck'

Max B, watch out for alley boy, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81Vxi8CfA-4

this is prob my fav quarantine beat right now. that woosh sound in the background makes me think of swinging ceiling axes from cartoons when we were kids haha

also, wow young qua verse

They Mad At Me is a killer beat from quarantine too, solid all the way thru tho.

see money i get plenty
if im drinkin while im drivin mix the coke up with some henny

"I Need More Money" is my jam this week

'flash dance' keeps getting stuck in my head

can we talk about how lol dame grease's 'goon music' verse is

also creepy -- "touch her where she never tell"???

butthole?

show me on the doll where Max B touched you

dame grease, whiney, dame grease

girls we be fuxtin til they pussies is swollen is gross & kind wish they had chosen a dif lyric since it's otherwise one of my favourite hooks on the album to sing, also the second hook/bridge after the french montana verse goon music baby, picture me rollin, homie take your dough fuck them hoes, take your tiiiime

what is creepy abt the dame grease verse?

just the way he says 'touch her where she never tell' sounds like hes molesting someone

i mean, i know what he means, i think, its just an odd way to put it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcJhfkm79T4

love the quotes on this

"every ten years niggas like you pop up / you a blast from the past / this music feel good like wakin' up, scratchin ya ass / i'ma keep makin hits trynna fatten my stash / on the block roll the dice, gon have my own wedding / trynna fuck with the bitches that be throwin the rice..."

lmao @ deej's pitchfork review just out of nowhere going "Max's lyrics don't have the opulent imagery of Gucci or the poetic minimalism of a rapper like the Jacka."

yes that was totally "that's our deej!"

jacka & max b sound alike imo

idg whats 'out of nowhere' about that

max b & jacka are like inverses of each other; one's a west coast rapper integrating east coast & the other is an east coast integrating west; they make total sense to compare.

i 'lol' at al shipley saying noe is worth anything, dude is a bogus jay-z clone

it also makes sense to compare those dudes bcuz of their rapping styles, which i did in that para

no it doesn't, pretty much the only connection between those 3 artists is "these are people that the author of this review loves and has to bring up at every opportunity"

i dont usually like to get into this because i think the writing stands on its own & i address that within it. if you need more, i still disagree with you.

both rappers i was using as examples because they are both max b's contemporaries and have a similar delivery style -- cool remove vs. the more emotion-on-sleeve style of z-ro or boosie

gucci was brought up primarily because hes the main pitchfork-acclaimed street rapper in the style from the last couple of years, so it makes sense to use him as a reference point

max b & the jacka are basically mirror images of each other, born less than a year apart, one incorporating west coast rap into an east coast style & the other incorporating the opposite. they both have relaxed, sing-song flows that are very melodic. of course, there are lots of differences too, but the framework to both their styles is very similar

also, have you even listened to the jacka? do you even know what you're talking about?

its not like these are 'artists i bring up at every opportunity' because i have some single-minded obsession w/ them, its because i think they are three artists whose significance to the art of rapping is real and observable & evident, that they are important rappers for the form. its beyond 'personal favorites.' there are lots of rap artists im into that don't fit into this -- an example is someone like AZ.

but you have it backwards -- my taste often tends to be more driven by what i think feels important vis a vis rap's development & my values w/r/t aesthetic choices made in that history; its not that i like an artist & try to justify that after the fact by making wild claims for them

i realize that this perspective on criticizing rap is very anti-some dude (sorry abt using your real name when shit got heated i wasnt paying attention) bcuz your style tends to be, & if im wrong correct me, very into rappers who dont make a lot of grand arguments of importance for themselves (something max b & jack & gucci all do) but are sort of workhorse low-key dudes like styles & post-roc freeway. which is cool; but i dont appreciate being told my approach is somehow not thought out or is simply about pushing my taste on other people when theres a lot more to it

but you have it backwards -- my taste often tends to be more driven by what i think feels important vis a vis rap's development & my values w/r/t aesthetic choices made in that history; its not that i like an artist & try to justify that after the fact by making wild claims for them

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:02 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i should say, my taste as represented by rap arguments on the internet with people who care about that sort of thing often tends to be driven ...

bcause my entire taste isnt represented by the kinds of artists we all talk about in these debates, necessarily. a lot of times i see what im doing as a corrective, which means im working on championing artists that i like who may not have as much of a critical profile but imo are doing something observably significant that deserves that kind of profile

sorry if this is just whiney-style trolling that im falling for here but it seems like a serious argument on your part so u got a seriouscat.gif answer

it was a cute "rap album reviews v much in character" that is lol to us bc ur (prob) the only person we've ever heard/read talk abt The Jacka & in such great volume so using him as a reference point in a review intended for general audience is funny to your internet rap friends, like if i were to introduce you to my grandparents & walked back into the room a half hour later and the topic of conversation had somehow shifted to corny wu similes

yah i get that thats fine, some dude seemed to be implying something more

no it doesn't, pretty much the only connection between those 3 artists is "these are people that the author of this review loves and has to bring up at every opportunity"

― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Sunday, May 1, 2011 10:57 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i saw u dudes lolling @ it in advance but it passed a 'smell test' to me that it wouldnt be inappropriate in a review bcuz contextually, there are a lot of similarities between the artists mentioned & it made sense to my wider point about his rap style & how it differs from other rappers who approach rap w/ a similar style of insouciant, making-the-difficult-look-effortless style

but whatev i prob should have just left it at 'the writing stands on its own'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ3YB9pZx_U

song sampled by pete rock for 'we roll'

skip to 1:46

sorry if this is just whiney-style trolling that im falling for here but it seems like a serious argument on your part so u got a seriouscat.gif answer

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Sunday, May 1, 2011 10:09 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

nah i was just out all day -- flopson otm pretty much but i'll print out your other posts and read them instead of a few chapters of a novel tonight before bed and see if i can process and respond to them

ho ho

what you said is diff than what flopson said, fyi

they didn't contradict each other or prohibit me from saying he's otm though

btw you wrote 729 words this morning in response to my two one-line posts (your album review was 674 words) fyi

btw i post all the time on ilx are you interested in zinging or discussing this

youre kind of being a dick? address what i said or stfu

they killed bin laden

& fwiw its not like you havent been making lil jabs along these lines for some time now, about how me focusing on a particular artist at one pt or another is somehow bad criticism, bcuz im not the eternally cynical objectivist you are

ok i read your 700 word response and sorry dude i don't have enough wind to respond in kind. you win! i'll leave your Max B thread alone, i just thought that line in your review was hilarious and if you can't see why i (or flopson or j0rdan) felt that way i dunno what to tell you.

yah i get that thats fine, some dude seemed to be implying something more

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Sunday, 1 May 2011 17:04 (Yesterday) Permalink

btw i post all the time on ilx are you interested in zinging or discussing this

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 4:07 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

guess i got my answer to this

i mean if u want to be a dick be a dick but dont front like its some serious critique of my writing

it wasn't, and i didn't say it was. you're the one who has to bring a gun to a knife fight and post 20 times every time someone says 1 or 2 brief things about/to you. do you want your thread back or not? say 'yes' and i won't post here again, promise.

dude youve been doing these drive-by sniping zings about my writing on artists that i focus on for months now, stop acting like this is out of nowhere. it seems like you have an issue w/ the way i approach it, & you absolutely do bring it up like its some kind of flawed approach to criticism instead of the kind of 'thats our deej' type ish flopson was talking abt.

and you prob read 20k words on ilx in a given day so you can stop acting like what i wrote upthread was some kind of dense essay too

ugh c'mon man i pointed out something i thought was funny with no hidden agenda and as usual you bring some "there are unspoken ISSUES we need to HASH OUT here i don't appreciate this THINLY VEILED ATTACKS" shit that makes this feel like we're in marriage counseling. we can talk about this if you want but not if you're gonna make it feel like a group therapy session.

no it doesn't, pretty much the only connection between those 3 artists is "these are people that the author of this review loves and has to bring up at every opportunity"

― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Sunday, May 1, 2011 10:57 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this sounds likea point-blank 'what you wrote here was incorrect' criticism, not a 'lol, deej mentioned artist he talks about a lot' ribbing. youre backpedaling into 'just zings bruv' which is fine but when u first posted it read to me as some kind of disagreement w/ its relevence to the piece rather than lighthearted lols

remember when i made almost the exact same kind of crack about Whiney's Quik review like a week ago and it didn't become a federal case? good times.

yeah but that was correct

like, comparing the beastie boys to quik makes far less sense than max b & the jacka, for the reasons i outlined upthread

so you think whiney just quietly realized his error and isn't also just way more laid back and able to take a jab than you are?

did you think maybe there is no 'error' and that your entire 'i am the only rational viewpoint on ilx' schtick is often wrong?

like, my entire point is that i thought this through in advance & think there are lots of parallels between the artists & there is no 'error' here; its an easy zing but i made the point for a reason

did you think maybe there is no 'error' and that your entire 'i am the only rational viewpoint on ilx' schtick is often wrong?

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 12:31 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

um, which one of us is famous for saying "i have been otm on this thread"?

I don't know any of these guys' music & I know D-40 will think this is just me takin a shot which it isn't it's just me talking about something I've been thinking about since I was a kid which comes up in this thread but FWIW probably nothing but other SoCal grampas will be able to attest to the following: the LA Times for years had a writer named Robert Hilburn for whom absolutely everything had to be framed in the context of the artists he liked best. He would have framed that differently: he would have said "these are the artists who are important and who frame the current pop dialogue" or something like that. Nevertheless, absolutely 100% of his readers lol'd at him twice a week because he was completely incapable of reviewing anything at all without referring at least once to Springsteen or Elvis Costello or X, and for a while there to Big Country and the Alarm. Once every review, it'd be like, "INXS are good, but, in lacking the vibrant optimism of Bruce Springsteen or the cutting worldly-wise wit of Elvis Costello, they come up short" and it got to be very, very lol. Growing up with this, back when I had designs on being a critic, I took this from it: no matter how certain you are that the artists you feel are most important in the current dialogue are, and no matter how certain you are that comparisons are fitting and apt, if you have some artists whose names you seem to mention in pretty much everything you write, people are going to clown you, either to your face or behind your back. If there are artists you namecheck regularly, people's radar will be up about it and they will clown even when you'd be likely to say "look I know I'm always talking about Springsteen but these guys really sound like Springsteen. D-40, I take from the way you talk about it that your writing is important to you, so I thought I would share this idea, if it's unwelcome, no harm intended, the end.

totally.

fwiw, I think it's OK to compare a track that samples "Paul Revere" to the Beastie Boys

i dont fucking do that though! my entire argument here is that these two particular artists, max b & the jacka, are actually very very similar and make total sense as reference points for each other! i dont refer to jacka in my other reviews! flopson agreed with me in this thread that it made sense to compare them!

yeah that admittedly got lumped in w/ the other 2 refs a little unfairly, sorry whiney (xpost)

Like sorry, I didn't load my 75 word review with comparisons to Compton's Most Wanted and WC or whatever, guys; but like the point I was making was "this is Quik's iconic sound with some cool detours that might appeal to alt types" and so I 100% stand by the way I wrote it.

fwiw my problem w/ whiney's review is, i see the reason he made those comparisons, but for me that kind of writing is pandering, that an artist shouldnt have to be justified on alt-rapper approved grounds to be worth hearing & can stand on his own two. its a different comparison than what i was doing, which was connecting lines between three seemingly unrelated artists who actually approach the form very similarly.

i dont fucking do that though! my entire argument here is that these two particular artists, max b & the jacka, are actually very very similar and make total sense as reference points for each other! i dont refer to jacka in my other reviews! flopson agreed with me in this thread that it made sense to compare them!

okay man it just sounded like 2 people were kinda clowning you for being a dude who brings up gucci mane whenever possible which seemed like a thing from a couple years back, I'll return to smoking a corncob pipe in this rocking chair, like I say just sorta bringin my own unwelcome & uninformed perspective to things as per usual no big

deej, there's a huge difference between "pandering" and "writing for your audience" which is coincidentally why no one gives two shakes of a dead dog's dick about a pitchfork review of a Max B record

okay man it just sounded like 2 people were kinda clowning you for being a dude who brings up gucci mane whenever possible which seemed like a thing from a couple years back, I'll return to smoking a corncob pipe in this rocking chair, like I say just sorta bringin my own unwelcome & uninformed perspective to things as per usual no big

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 2, 2011 5:04 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark

imo there's a diff between 'bringing it up a lot on this board' whichis like conversation for me, vs. 'bringing it up in my writing,' where i do only try to make those connections if they make real sense to do so

deej, there's a huge difference between "pandering" and "writing for your audience" which is coincidentally why no one gives two shakes of a dead dog's dick about a pitchfork review of a Max B record

― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 2, 2011 5:06 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you're right i should have compared him to 'chillwave'

sorry swooshwave

i get that YOU see the connection and were making a case for it. but like aero said, you should also see why those connections seem a) totally random and arbitrary and, in the jacka's case kind of uselessly obscure, to non-goon thread regulars and b) hilariously in character to us.

i do see why its lol & in character! what objected to was the post where u asserted i had no basis to compare them

well, i get why you like Max B and why you're eager to place him in a context that isn't strictly east coast/Dipset. but paralleling him with one or a couple southern/west coast/midwest acts would imo get that point across -- bringing up Gucci AND the Jacka AND Bone Thugs in the same review just felt like you were unloading a full barrel of "stuff deej people like"

to answer whiney more seriously re: knowing my audience, i do write to an audience but i want to do so w/out losing rap readers who will roll their eyes at a madvillian ref in a quik review. i think you can make the case for the record w/out that

deej, If you don't think that song sounds like a Quik version of contemporary Dam-Funk/VHS/blown-out weirdness that's pervading a lot of hip-hop since "Sensual Seduction" than you don't have ears that work. Just because the shorthand I used was a little HRO doesn't mean it's inaccurate. I don't think rap records have to be treated differently than any other records.

but like the point I was making was "this is Quik's iconic sound with some cool detours that might appeal to alt types" and so I 100% stand by the way I wrote it.

― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 2, 2011 1:01 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Also, being 31, i don;'t have some hilarious baggage about "OH NO WHAT WILL REAL HEADS think of me", like the ghost of ethan lurking over your shoulder all day while you file a review that will get the #5 slot underneath the new East River Pipe and AIDS Wolf

i want to do so w/out losing rap readers who will roll their eyes at a madvillian ref in a quik review.

like seriously, get the fuck over yourself, dude.

lol @ your only touchpoint for 'real heads' being ethan

the point was that YOUR only touchpoint for 'real heads' is ethan

well, i get why you like Max B and why you're eager to place him in a context that isn't strictly east coast/Dipset. but paralleling him with one or a couple southern/west coast/midwest acts would imo get that point across -- bringing up Gucci AND the Jacka AND Bone Thugs in the same review just felt like you were unloading a full barrel of "stuff deej people like"

― some dude, Monday, May 2, 2011 5:11 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

bone thugs & gucci at this pt are all artists that like everyone knows. how do they even remotely qualify as 'artists deej likes' before 'references anyone familiar with hip hop will identify'

i'd like to apologize to whiney and everyone else for throwing up the whineysignal itt. let's all just slowly back away and watch this thing go up in flames, shall we?

the point was that YOUR only touchpoint for 'real heads' is ethan

― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 2, 2011 5:16 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and apparently yours is people whose knowledge begins & ends with adult swim rap

what, you?

read aero's post again dude -- Elvis Costello and Springsteen are artists Hilburn's readers were familiar with too

Adult Swim rap and THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA THE JACKA TUNNEL TUNNEL JACKA GUCCI BRRR

do i compare stuff to bone thugs in every review i write?

whiney is pulling a burt_stanton

read aero's post again dude -- Elvis Costello and Springsteen are artists Hilburn's readers were familiar with too

― some dude, Monday, May 2, 2011 5:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean you're basically arguing that i cant ever refer to musicians i happen to like in reviews any more?

ive never made a reference to an artist in my writing where it was relevant to do so. point blank period. im sorry if you think im overloading people with artists i happen to like but i think thats bullshit.

ha, typo. where it wasnt relevant to do so

that's a good question, but oh hey look at the beautiful weather outside, i'm gonna take my son to the park instead of spending another second talking about this right now, hope that's cool w/ you.

do i compare stuff to bone thugs in every review i write?

no but if I sweeten the deal with a quarter for every bone thugs reference could we make this a reality?

xp fuckin lol @ relevancy typo.

but tbrr you compared synths on a j stalin record to wendy carlos where goblin or john carpenter soundtracks would have been way more apt so relevant yes but I'm ringin u up with a great big comparison-aptness check so like deal w/that

i dunno man that shit sounds like some clockwork orange outtakes to me

fwiw because im tired of this 'deej is obsessed w/ [x]' coming up everytime we talk about any of an entire series of artists ive talked a lot about on ilx, im going to set this out there:

1) some artists are talked about a lot by critics / on ilx, some are not

2) if an artist i like is not talked about a lot by critics, i will spend more time here talking about it

3) if an artist - say dj quik or e-40 or gucci, for examples of artists i used to talk about a lot MORE on ilx - gets picked up by wider discussions here, i tend to talk about them less, because theres no need to get a ball rolling

4) if an artist is not, i tend to spend more time talking about that artist, because what he's accomplishing artistically feels undervalued to me, so i try to convince others of his/her value

5) none of these things are particularly related to my reference to the jacka in a max b review, which was more about identifying different approaches to the art of rapping between two similarly-minded artists.

can we be done now?

lol 2 & 4 are basically the same thing but im typing this on my clocked-out half-hour lunch break so i did it kind of hurridly

mainly I just like to bitch about the j stalin review because I copped that record on the strength of the review and I thought the record sucked balls so I will be angry abt it until I die

sad u felt that way boo. i def dont think it sucks balls tho i did feel i overrated it slightly after the fact, if only bcuz in retrospect i realized 'gas nation' is a more fully-realized project

did you like 'red & blue lights' at least?

man, max b is in the slammer and this is his ilx thread, what a raw deal

yeah it was a decent track!

man, max b is in the slammer and this is his ilx thread, what a raw deal

lol

rip max b thread virginity

deej bringing up jacka & gucci is funny like "that's our deej" as j0rdan said, not clowning him for being nearsighted or a problem w/ his criticism, or at least thats totally different from the og lol intent

i would like to say "flopson otm" again but apparently that's not allowed, just know that i am with you in spirit

its 'not allowed' only in that it contradicts what u wrote previously, but whatev

no, no it doesn't, not at all, especially since he's talking about "the og lol intent" i.e. MY first post which obviously i kind of have some idea of the meaning of

i mean the whole time i've been saying "i am having a laugh for reasons that are obvious and have been discussed here before" and you're the one going "no this has very grim and portentous subtext about how you feel about me as a person as a critic" and then my eyes roll into the back of my head and i leave the thread

aerosmith - have you seen that old tom snyder show clip with paul weller, joan jett, kim fowley, and hilburn talking about "punk"...it's pretty priceless television

xp what an odd caricature of what happened here

no, you said something that i disagreed about that wasnt 'just a laugh' & you retreated backwards to 'oh but its just joeks' when i disagreed with it

some dude maybe u dont realize this but when you post these things you tend to load them as, 'you are wrong to have said this' rather than, 'lol thats our deej' -- something to think about maybe

no it doesn't, pretty much the only connection between those 3 artists is "these are people that the author of this review loves and has to bring up at every opportunity"

― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Sunday, May 1, 2011 6:57 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

is this the supposed post in which i am lowering the veil of serious attacks on your critical style and not just explaining the lol

it was the point of disagreement for me that this entire stupid argument has been about -- you can dramatize it all you want but that specific sentence is what i disagree w/, it says something more than 'ha deej referencing his fav artists'. you also talked about me realizing i had 'made an error' like whiney supposedly did. you clearly disagree w my use of that artist here and argued w me about it.

aerosmith - have you seen that old tom snyder show clip with paul weller, joan jett, kim fowley, and hilburn talking about "punk"...it's pretty priceless television

lol yes...if you think I'm high-strung now you should have seen young aero screaming at the screen whenever hilburn got tv time

"SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MUSIC! IF YOU SAY 'SPRINGSTEEN' ONE MORE TIME I'M GOING TO THROW A BRICK THROUGH THIS TV!"

if it was just lol to see me bring up jacka, like, "ha how deej," then never mind. if you think i was doing it for no reason other than to try to insert my fav artists into discourse whenever possible -- which is what aerosmith said, and you cosigned -- then i disagree. you should prob make up your mind which one you are arguing

can we all agree that the loser in all this is max b, especially when deej's review makes it sound like he's dead

i get the feeling from somedude -- but not j0rdan or flopson -- that you are questioning my motives. if this is just a misunderstanding, then i apologize for making a big deal abt it

can we all agree that the loser in all this is max b, especially when deej's review makes it sound like he's dead

― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Monday, May 2, 2011 7:25 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark

haha. this ill take the blame for u_u

aerosmith - have you seen that old tom snyder show clip with paul weller, joan jett, kim fowley, and hilburn talking about "punk"...it's pretty priceless television

lol yes...if you think I'm high-strung now you should have seen young aero screaming at the screen whenever hilburn got tv time

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 2, 2011 2:23 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha yeah but i could hardly notice him w all the murderous barely contained hatred going on between snyder and fowley...also snyder was probably the most "punk" dude in the room IMO

if it was just lol to see me bring up jacka, like, "ha how deej," then never mind. if you think i was doing it for no reason other than to try to insert my fav artists into discourse whenever possible -- which is what aerosmith said, and you cosigned -- then i disagree. you should prob make up your mind which one you are arguing

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 3:24 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

aero was describing how that kind of thing can LOOK to readers regardless of intent and was recommending you consider that when you write, which i agreed with. but if you want to be an either/or absolutist about it, that's cool, i personally think those 2 perspectives are not mutually exclusive.

ok well thats not really an issue since this is afai can recall the only time ive done that, so i guess we all agree, flopson otm

only time ive referred to him w/ a seemingly unrelated artist i mean

cool. see you later.

*exhales*

didn't know max b was dead, rip

RIP max

*pours some out*

my main problem with the gucci/jacka stuff is that deej failed to mention 50, who obv plays a huge part in max's lineage

yah i mean im not sure it relates to what i was saying about him in relation to rappers who were his contemporaries, but 50 cent is obv a touchpoint i could have included. i mean what i was trying to say was that like 50 hes a songwriter, but he seperates out the song from the rapper in a way 50 didnt -- 50 did hooks as himself, you know?

eh thats poorly worded / confusin. ill rewrite when i get off work

I feel like I say this every time and deej I don't mean to blindside you but you have this bizarrely intense need imo to be vindicated by everyone. Like, you can't just drop it that Ship doesn't see eye to eye with you in terms of the jacka and gucci mane, you just have to keep going. And I don't think it's a horrible characteristic on its face -- it works for you when you're constantly evangelizing about music, but when it's about your own points it gets tedious and borders on maniacal imo

im not asking him to agree at all though

like, his opinion on the jacka is irrelevant, he can listen to sheek louch lps til the day he dies for all i care -- its a basic level of Not Being A Dick where he assumes im just fanboyishly referring to artists i like that feels particularly condescending which is weird coming from someone i 'socialize' with on a daily basis.

i mean, if that was his intent, which he claims it wasnt, now, so theres nothing to argue about

i guess jokes on me for taking him seriously

lol @ you latching onto the lox and freeway as the artists i supposedly bump all day every day and talk about constantly

lol @ you getting defensive about liking sheek louch

i'm not! that shit's aight but i mean, i know WAY more about your taste in rap and the stuff you listen to than vice versa, you can pretend you know exactly where i'm coming from but it's just a bunch of bullshit shots in the dark because i don't treat ilm as my personal last.fm listening diary.

ok? the point wasnt that i know what you like. nice job turning this into more zings & meanspiritedness though -- if you were trying to suggest im reading animosity into this you're prob not helping your case

is it to like sheek louch now? i still like him and i like freeway a lot, actually i love freeway

shh m@tt some dude doesnt want to read you last.fm

*your

hey, m@tt, tread lightly, the "keep it real" police are out in full force today

deej i'm saying that people here read your writing and respect your opinions and take your recommendations and understand your taste probably more than you'll ever know but because they also having a rapport of giving each other shit in a relatively harmless way and you don't know how to take a joke you'll forever have a ridiculous chip on your shoulder about the "animosity" i or whiney or aero has toward you.

GO LISTEN TO SKEEK LOUCHC RETRADE

some dude whiney & aero are the only ppl i have this problem with, though. i mean, aero came through to post a big paragraph to scare me from mentioning rappers i like in reviews. is that this famous witty rapport you're talking about?

ps: whiney way to miss the pt -- i like both sheek louch & freeway

"look, i would be fine if it wasn't for some dude, whiney, aero, flops, matt, frogbs, Princess TamTam, Dan P [continued forever]"

i mean, aero came through to post a big paragraph to scare me from mentioning rappers i like in reviews.

your delusions of persecution & your inability to discern intent in other people's posts is fucking breathtaking

shame on me for thinking talking to you with respect was a workable strategy, it's like obvious that you're not stupid but you sure do play a stupid person on ilm

I POSTED A PARAGRAPH TO PARTICIPATE IN A CONVERSATION YOU HOPELESSLY DUMB SHIT, is what I want to say

argh aero it wasnt about you its about some dude arguing that this is just abt 'joeks bruv' when we were in fact having 'serious discussions'

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qyFAbBjVZ9c/Taz6dMwd_vI/AAAAAAAAATI/RuLo7L3Jmqo/s1600/SeriousCatAvatar.jpg

aero came through to post a big paragraph to scare me from mentioning rappers i like in reviews. is that this famous witty rapport you're talking about?

http://www.posterlovers.com/gallery/data/668/cat-almost.jpg

argh aero it wasnt about you

yeah dude this

i mean, aero came through to post a big paragraph to scare me from mentioning rappers i like in reviews.

fucking pisses me off

like that's all I have to say about it is why bother trying to talk music with a guy who takes this from a reasoned paragraph? just clown that dude all day til he gets banned seems like a saner strategy, 'cause a dude who goes from what I wrote to yr read on it is a dude with zero reading comprehension

or actual interest in talking about music or criticism

deej's shaky reading comprehension (or refusal to respond to anything anyone says in anything but the most reductive point he can disagree with) is definitely the elephant in the room here

wow

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZIAraI6ixdo/TOo25Zw4mmI/AAAAAAAAAK8/G5A8BrtyYzo/s1600/stunned%2Bcat.gif

speaking of reading comprehension --

sorry for being troll-y when quoting aero -- the point was that he wasnt actually partaking of witty repartee but was engaging in a serious argument that you cosigned -- which contradicted your assertion that u were simply busting my balls.

man whiney you are incredibly annoying

sorry for ruining this great thread

like, i get aero's point wasnt per se about me in this instance, but why were we even discussing it? what did it have to do w/ the matter at hand if you were just joking around? it was brought up because you were criticizing something id written -- pretend it was in jest if you want but that makes no sense. we were, in fact, discussing the writing -- so, was i overreacting to 'jokes' or not? cuz i thought we were having a serious discussion

some dude i get a total 'have your cake and eat it too' vibe from this whole thing -- you get to be critical, but can back away when i take offense because you're just joking. i mean, you can claim its a 'persecution complex' but that doesnt explain why it doesnt bother me when flopson or j0rdan say it, but when u do it comes across like criticism.

aero's post had a friendly and familial air that, obviously, left the building soon after. your manner is can be extremely severe, especially when other people are trying to keep the mood light or contribute some levity or just say anything other than "deej otm" without you taking offense.

like, you may notice that when you call me a dick or whatever i don't spend my next 10 posts explaining why i'm not and never have been a dick and you started it. me being less squeamish than you about being the bad guy or just being wrong or overstepping a line doesn't actually mean that you by default are right.

yes & i apologize for characterizing his post the way i did because it confused my primary pt which was that this wasnt just a series of jibes but had crossed into a 'serious' discussion.

whatever. i guess i just need to learn to ignore your posts like that -- obv im taking them 'too seriously'.

xp

hey ignore me or don't, it's all good, obviously you should be able to defend yourself if you think someone's being unfair, even jokingly. i'm just saying the earnest 700 word response to a one-liner kind of inherently raises things beyond "jokes bruv" in a way that i find kind of impossible to take seriously.

c'mon guys you are all nice ppl why are you fighting?

i believe the term is not fighting but 'lol sparring'

lolsparrer is one of best oi bands

its not 'a one liner' its a series of passive aggressive zings directed my way that are kind of your stock in trade

& whiney id appreciate if you kept shit like calling me 'paranoid' to the board and not twitter, thnx

its not v professional imo

how much more clearly do i have to express myself to stop being sneaky and 'passive aggressive'? i really feel like i've laid all my cards on the table.

i didnt have to write 700 words to make that argument, i did because its ilx & its just off the top of the dome shit, conversational or whatever.

heres a short version.

'yeah i figured you guys would get a kick out of that but i did it anyway cuz i think there is a connection between the artists -- i can go into detail if you like but it wasn't just a cataloging of the artists i like'

now you wouldnt be able to make jokes about how much i wrote, as if that was an indicator of something. would this convo have turned out differently? would i be overreacting? am i taking a 'joke' too seriously bcuz i take issue w/ you saying that i did that 'out of nowhere'? am i not allowed to take issue w/ that? are all zings hands-off because they're just jokes, even when its sorta implied that you mean some of the shit behind it?

my main takeaway from this convo is that you'd be totally fine with someone disagreeing with or making fun of something you said IF you said something wrong and/or unintentionally funny, which in your opinion has never happened and probably never will.

well, then read better

like literally everything you've said just amounts to a haughty "how dare you!"

you felt obligated to explain that you dont even love sheek louch like that in this thread -- how is that any different

cause i said it once briefly and moved on?

because i didnt then continue to argue with you about it because im sure you're right, as i dont happen to be in your head, like you were when you determined i was listing my favorite artists instead of making some wider point

there is no relationship between jacka & max b, none, and if deej says there is, ill argue with him or troll him for the next 200 posts

i'm not saying you deliberately listed favorite artists and are denying it, i'm saying you're so far inside the deej canon that you're not even aware of how much you lean on it in your writing. maybe you were aware and were comfortable with your choice, it just felt very hilariously reflexive, like "paragraph 3 = time to address where Gucci fits in here"

i'm saying you're so far inside the deej canon that you're not even aware of how much you lean on it in your writing

oh see i thought it was just 'joeks bruv'

at least youre admitting it now

like, do you see how phrasing it that way, instead of how flopson or jordan did, feels more like you want to, like, actually talk about the writing rather than standard 'ha, deej section' -- like, you are jumping inside my head & ascertaining that im lost in my world of rap ppl, or whatever

which, if you want to discuss that, fine, but dont front like its just jokes when i come back at it like, well, i actually had a reason to compare them here! and accuse me of overreacting

so if you joke about someone in a way that references actual sincere opinions or observations about that person it's no longer a joke? i can only joke about deej in ways that make no sense like "hey that guy has really long toenails!"?

gross deej get a pedicure

i didnt see where flopson made fun of my toenails

i mean people here joke about how i obsess over drum sounds or whatever and i might protest a little but ultimately all i can say is 'touche' because i know they're just noticing patterns in things i post, not formulating malicious personal attacks on me

yeah but ... you do obsess over drum sounds. & yeah, i obsess on some artists that I think are underrated, but i could also say SOME DUDE'S WORLDVIEW IS DISTORTED BY HIS OBSESSION WITH DRUM SOUNDS, and you could say DEEJ IS LOST IN HIS MYOPIC RAP WORLD, and they are both gonna be interpreted differently! in my case it felt like you were selling my actual analysis short but not in a way that comes across as 'thats our deej' but like, 'deej has lost perspective'

'but its a joke i can sell it short' well this time, i didnt take it as a joke, and i dont think that its entirely on me to put up with any jokes anyone says about me ever? that i can be like, hey, i think that this is a bit unfair / misinterprets what i was doing here.

btw some dude off topic but you are into drum sounds and that's why i always boggle at how you can like so much mainstreamy major label rock, worst drum sounds ever yikes, that's p much why i can't engage w/any of it

hate them drum sounds
hate them hate then drum sounds

that's a big can of worms, m@tt, i don't even know where to begin.

'but its a joke i can sell it short' well this time, i didnt take it as a joke, and i dont think that its entirely on me to put up with any jokes anyone says about me ever? that i can be like, hey, i think that this is a bit unfair / misinterprets what i was doing here.

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 9:25 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

are you asserting this is the first time anyone on ilx has accused you of not being able to take a joke or have a sense of humor about yourself?

i guess what im saying is, im careful not to 'lose perspective' or draw connections where i dont think there are any, so when you were clowning like id failed to do that it felt like you were dissing my writing & legitimacy rather than the fact that im a fan of whatever rappers.

it is true that hardly anybody has any idea how to record drums any more - take a record with well-recorded drums to any decent mastering engineer & you'll see the guy's eyes get wide & he'll be like "WHERE'D YOU HAVE THIS DONE, WHO DID THIS" and you'll hear the horror stories of the garbage that gets brought into mastering facilities with instructions to "clean it up"

yeah esp because like it's most what you DON'T do, like all records used to have p good drum sounds until the 80s

im going to rewrite that

im careful when it comes to approaching my writing to keep as much perspective as i can so the audience can trust what im saying, to avoid drawing connections that dont exist, or being anything other than 100% honest (as much as that is possible) when writing about this stuff, so when you were clowning the writing it felt like you were mocking my writing rather than my interest in the aforementioned rappers. which i will put up with from anonymous ppl on message boards, but i take the writing itself seriously, and if you make some joke about it that feels like youre arguing with how ive written something, i'll probably respond seriously. people are defensive about their writing!

xp
what's yr method for lovely drum recordings? it has always seemed hard from my v limited home studio type experiences.

i mean i guess i dont understand why that would surprise you or that id take it seriously -- its not the joke about me liking jacka that pissed me off (sorry not trying to keep you guys from this actually-interesting tangent)

hate to break it to you but there are people that are defensive about their writing, and there is you

cant believe you're siding with him here

everyone is

excuse me -- ill never be offended by that again, how ridiculous of me -- not having a sense of humor

i feel like i've said this 100 times in the past year but you need to learn to just go "alright whatever bro"

we all have the right to get offended at whatever we want but at some point (in this case: like 5 hours ago) you've said everything that needs to be said

why am i the one being told to 'let go' when some dude has been just as involved in this argument?

also i like what you did upthread when Al had a similar JOKE about me putting madvillain in a quik review and then you turned it into A SERIOUS CRITIQUE OF MY WRITING STYLE which, I don't know if you read this guy but

but i take the writing itself seriously, and if you make some joke about it that feels like youre arguing with how ive written something, i'll probably respond seriously. people are defensive about their writing!

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 9:34 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats not a contradiction swift

it's what i said upthread -- the fact that you'll go to any lengths & for any length of time to defend even the most minute point that you've made means that you wear on lots of ppl and also makes you seem insecure & to some ppl kinda crazy

that just means, i'd respond seriously. much as, you can respond seriously, if i critique something you write. which you didnt, you flipped out and started posting in all caps & accused me of being haunted by the ghost of ethan or something xp

what's yr method for lovely drum recordings? it has always seemed hard from my v limited home studio type experiences.

I don't think you can really get great drum sounds at home unless you have a pretty big home and/or a SERIOUS ear like Phil Elvrum who could probably get great drum tones in a refrigerator if he had to. But I don't record, I just work with people who do & I've watched dudes with proper ears set up the drums & listen for fuckin' EVER (drives me nuts) and then after what seems like ages they'll start nodding while the drummer's just playing whatever and move a fader into place and you hear it if you're in the control room, it's like, oh, wow, that really seemed like a waste of time but it most assuredly was not because now this sounds so good I just want to listen to it by itself. Otherwise it's a question of not settling for shitty mics, keeping yourself out of it enough to really just be listening instead of kidding yourself about what sounds good or doesn't, and being extremely patient - mic placement, understanding whoever's technique you're recording, asking questions about the actual song so instead of having a default "if I have a hard-hitting drummer, I use an RE-20 on the kick" you're saying "what's going to sound good on this song?" one drum/cymbal at a time.

I seriously think recording is the art of profound patience, I would be a terrible producer because I'm very "hit record let's get this now"

i'm just posting as a friend -- i'm taking no sides in this issue, largely bcuz it's at the point where i'm not totally sure what everyone is arguing about anymore

it's what i said upthread -- the fact that you'll go to any lengths & for any length of time to defend even the most minute point that you've made means that you wear on lots of ppl and also makes you seem insecure & to some ppl kinda crazy

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:41 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im sorry you think im crazy, i kind of think al is an asshole

this is my 'main takeaway from the thread' & ill stop now

i'm cool with being an asshole fwiw.

http://h-6.abload.de/img/0371_s7wp.gif

im sorry you think im crazy, i kind of think al is an asshole

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 9:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i don't -- i'm just hazarding a guess as to how a large portion of non-goon posters feel when they stumble upon convos like these

oops yeah i guess i made it sound easy and john is right, it's not, but i meant more the 80s brought so much gating and all that stuff and now it's even worse, like i meant use good mics and a good room and a producer that knows how to do it and don't mess it up with processing

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkld71FgpZ1qzhfhso1_500.gif

whatever happened to melissa joan hart. a friend of mine is a pretty decent sound engineer, and his proficiency seems rooted in the same stoicism/reptilian focus that makes him a champ at shit like rubiks cubes and world of warcraft; just being able to keep tweaking and revising over&over oblivious to hunger or fatigue. but I think approaching it from a sort of more producerly standpoint is worthwhile, keeping you focused on your ears and what the sound is up to, and it seems taking the time to relisten is the only real way, so

melissa joan hart has a show on abc family with joey lawrence. she still looks good & has a big ol ass.

remember getting into an argument w/ a kid who had a huge crush on her when I v young over whether or not she had freckles

http://www.realbeauty.com/cm/redbook/images/8b/68_melissa-joan-hart-lg.jpg

stephen halliwell, we can now move on

RIP max b

fucking hilarious mod bias that i was banned from the hug it out thread but some dude wasnt

my issue w/ al basically comes down to, for whatever reason, his 'zings' often come across like personal criticisms while others dont. they come across like dismissive condescension rather than just-lolz. obviously, he doesnt give a fuck, which is fine, but he cant act shocked if someone takes it personally

kinda lukewarm on this dude. i really like "where do i go" and other joints like "live comfortable" but unless he really connects with his hooks or like, wakes up on his verses, he's pretty boring. it's mostly his vioce for me, which is really dry/anonymous - i mean i've loved other rappers with shitty articulation but he doesn't have 50's knack for melody or like, gucci's bounce or deep pocket of flows. or the sense of humor of either. idk maybe i have to listen to more

yeah i think u have to listen more pretty much everything u said is 100% wrong/the opposite of max b reality

haha

i think his style's just not what i dig

ha was gonna say -- like or dislike him, vocal personality, 'knack for melody,' 'deep pocket of flows' are all things dude totally ownz

not that he doesnt have some blander songs

BUT i am a gang starr fanboy & find myself drawn to dudes who are sort of anti-ludacris types in their delivery

cool, relaxed, behind the beat, understated, etc

"knack" was my operative word really - again all i've heard is the debut but while he definitely has a tendency toward melody, to me he uses it more as a crutch than anything else - hit/miss ratio on the hooks isn't that great imo

"understated" is otm i guess, can't really pin down what bores me about dudes like him yet for the most part I dig someone like mega

i think i'm actually fronting a bit - i actually enjoyed it more than i'm admitting, even if i didn't like the aesthetic - kind of the converse of your typical "didn't like it but i respected it" line

really i think it's his voice more than anything

listen to coke wave

woof yeah if all you've heard is this record i'm not surprised you're ambivalent on it

coke wave, public domain 2, quarantine are all better points of entry imo

lately ive been giving PD2 a whole bunch of play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZngJt-p-QQ

i cant get over how much Noe sounds like Jay-Z though

so much of max's appeal for me is in the total package of how his music operates -- how he slurs his words, the sly humor, how equally sleazy & charming he is (not an easy thing to pull off) -- the vibe is incredibly unique

this music feel good like wakin up, scratchin your ass

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llzjpaEbFg1qc1u5zo1_500.jpg

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this thread's title always gets digable planets stuck in my head. "max b the thread what key be to lock"

did this album even come out or what

released on amalgam digital = u can buy a digital copy from the amalgam digital site

not sure how they handle hard copies

my #1 album of the year

yeah i bought the digital copy

lol when I search amalgam digital their google link reads "Amalgam Digital is proud to release physical copies of Max B's debut album in this Limited Edition Vigilante Season CD+T-Shirt package." but I can't find any evidence of it on the site once I click thru

o here it goes

http://www.amalgamdigital.com/vigilantecdpackage

http://i55.tinypic.com/2rz993a.jpg

fuuuuuck might have to cop that

f'real

i posted that somewhere before on ilx but it wasnt here or summer tees. hmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBW3PnKZDf8

classic max on this

Ha I think I posted that up thread. Love the beat

I suppose there has been no word on appeal

^^very awesome

I keep going back to Model of Entropy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw95xdfMQnY

I'm particularly fixated on the way he sings "truuuuuuue/bluuuuuuuue" like his voice is about to give, also the way he drags his sssssssssssss's. These type of suave little details that Max seems to be loaded with are what keeps me coming back for more.

He is new for me, still getting acquainted with all this but that track really stands out. That tight snare has a warm pop to it, sounds really nice at high volumes with that sub bass rolling around underneath.

thats one of the few traxx w/out dame grease production -- agreed that it stands out tho

That explains why it doesn't really sound like anything else on VS. Also just realized he might be singing "too" in staid of "true."

anyone else finding it hard to get into the mood to listen to max b in the summer? listening to such sleazy music in sweltering heat, it just makes me feel like hot stinky garbage. early spring when the snow was melting but, like, grey & dirty--thats the season for max b imo

maybe the mixtapes, yeah

there are some total windows down summer jams on 'vigilante season' tho

want to call that out for being whatever the music crit equivalent of 'pop psychology' is but i kind of agree

xp

it happenned though, like it was a feeling in my heart. smoked a joint & had a beer at the canal (so all other factors ensuring i would enjoy listening to max b) with my roommate then he went to work & i put on my headphones, listened to vigilante season, & felt like i was rotting

yah hate to get all 'looking at a party through smoke' but his stuff is def more of a hazy stoned depresso memory of summertime than the real deal

Minus 'Where Do I Go' of course, pretty much the perfect summer cut.

tried to take an emergency flight home yesterday because i'm feeling really unwell but flight was cancelled and i'm suffering 36 hours+ of delays. but as i'm being ferried around on buses in the disgusting humidity of the japanese summer all that is running through my head along with unbearable pain is a mixture of 'stake sauce' and some other max b song i can't remember the name of

i got that henny mixed with coke
got that pico mixed with ice

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Clicquot

sad to hear your not feeling well hope u get better soon xp

they just put me on the line got my freethrow lookin niiiiiiiiiiice

yah dude that suxx :( hope u feel better

we got the street
stake sauuuce
we 'gone conquer beef
a whole lotta heat

Homie I'm ray chaaaaaarles

Thanks guys

french montana sounds like a genuine idiot

like if u knew him irl he'd stand around with his mouth hanging open & break things at parties, or like, do something gross & scare away all the girls

i like french montana \oO/

he bodies some verses from time to time. that joint w/ juicy j on his tape from last year i think he has the best verse

purple lambo, smokin the rambo
take my chances, lifes a gamble
loadin my ammo, lookin for the payback,
i knew you bitch n****z since way back
fiendin money, fill up arenas,
off mixtapes, you dirty n****z stank
johnny hancock, fill in the blank
two head-shots, blood on ya mink
montana, juice, hard as a tank
these other rap n****z ain't hot as you think

that whole tape from last year was a minor classic imo

i love french montana! its an artistic accomplishment

"new york minute" is a true 10/10 classic

"don't it sound like i fuck more than 50 cent?"

excellent concise summary of max's appeal imo

lmao

http://www.xxlmag.com/bangers/2011/07/max-b-taking-my-wave/

^^^brand new max b recorded from jail over the 'running' beat btw

that kind of makes me sad

very wavey

free max

would love to know how the title 'model of entropy' came to be

the pure incongruence of it is almost kinda meta-wavey

french montana has an 8-year-old artist named Lil Poopy

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh8kLZk548uM6XKnIj

this video needs to be appreciated

Thx to someone playing 'Ready to Go' on Outloud this week I decided to check out 'Public Domain 2'. Great fun. Along with 'RTG','Bring Another Ounce', 'Give Dem Hoes Up','Bottom' and 'Hold 'Em' all super.

Flash dance ! De la soul!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbKlfQYv9o4

ridin on that wave like gnarly
tell that nigga probly
i tell her look bitch my name charlie
bobby, whitney
niggas try and hit me
nigga my only fear is god so come and get me
quickly

i think 'public domain 2' is the most slept on (by us) Max B tape. sometimes I like it more than Coke Wave.

I think Quarantine is his most nl statement, though

that charlie line reminds me: whatever happened to charlie baltimore?

http://www.mediafire.com/?6j03jxta82chiem

COKE WHITE LIKE AN ANGEL
DOPE BROWN
THE FO POUND
BIGGA AINT GETTIN IN A SHOWDOWN
IF U AINT KNOW BACK THEN U KNOW NOW
SEE ME SWITCH IT UP LIKE A CHAMELEON

^this

this has not left the rotation

coke white like an angel
dope brown, the fo pound
bigga ain't gettin in a showdown
if you aint know back then you know now
see me switch it up like a chameleon
blend in with them niggas in the trap
i hit ya best to bring it back, play it back
thats that wave that i'm talk' bout
them niggas a done deal so best to bring the chalk out
mix more sour with the grand creezy
thats the beverage
i ain't trynna give ya niggas leverage
said shit, piss mothafuckers off
made them wanna go and get their guns
when i'm spending more ones
gotta step my game up, pimpin
i got taste, i'm wavey
i put the nigga in his place
bitches love him cause he's savvy
fuck her if she married
transport the coca and she carry
owww

i got a big car
and all i do is drive
i'm a big star
i'ma hit you with a hug and hiiiii, hii-iiiii
don't be jealous of your bread before i send you goodbyeeee
i make yo bitch scream, ohhhoooohhooohhoohhh
ooohoooohoooohooohooooooh

[mack mustard verse]

i got a big car
and all i do is drive
i'm a big star
i'ma hit you with a hug and hiiiii, hii-iiiii
don't be jealous of your bread before i send you goodbyeeee
i make yo bitch scream, ohhhoooohhooohhoohhh
ooohoooohoooohooohooooooh

i love that fly shit
rocks and stones, whenever its drama i'm poppin the chrome
eiffel tower gettin chopped over rome
errybody look chineese
coppas right behind me, grimey,
try meeeeee
if you thinkin you can get one past me
i like my bitches nasty,
classy,
fuck a nigga good when the dick up,
swallow the came,
she said the cum give me hiccups
get up,
baby don't drop like the slumber
you ain't sleepin over
i never drive sober
over,
biggie smalls, tupac, rolled up
all in one bar
baby lets go and hit the mall, get it all,
cop everything you want, gucci, louis vuitton
bitches say my dick is the bomb
get it off the arm if you wavey
naw i'm nothin like that nigga there
its about to be a bigger year,
i got a big carrrr

i got a big car
and all i do is drive
i'm a big star
i'ma hit you with a hug and hiiiii, hii-iiiii
don't be jealous of your bread before i send you goodbyeeee
i make yo bitch scream, ohhhoooohhooohhoohhh
ooohoooohoooohooohooooooh

This is great. I love basically any track with this kinda 80s smooth shit vibe.

maybe my fav max b:

http://youtu.be/a6KCd-nPVpk

http://masartv.com/blog/archives/2654

O_o

holy sh

i've had that open in a tab for a day and half now... not sure my life can handle me committing to any of that

is there any rhyme or reason to how it was broken up?

I only dl'd some but it does appear to be curated - vol 1 and 2 are titled "blues brothers" and it's all w/ jim jones, vol 3 is byrdgang stuff

yeah i was gonna download the tracklist first and then go from there

i wonder if those are the same guys that put together that 10 disc jay-z library of a legend years and years ago or was that just the inspiration

http://kevinnottingham.com/2009/09/07/jay-z-library-of-a-legend/

"I'M ON ONE" FREESTYLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4gI7PvXrWc

THANK U WAVE GOD

*cries tears of joy*

Currently serving a 75-year jail sentence, rapper Max B is keeping busy making use of old and new technology to make new music. Old technology (the payphone through which he raps over collect calls) and new technology Legitmix, an innovative new platform that allows the Hood Internet-produced track "Hold On" to be released with an uncleared Madonna sample.

cue tears of joy

wtf is that

well i just looked it up and it sounds mental

Legitmix lets you legitimately give away or sell your work by creating a Legitmix file for your remix, mash-up or DJ set. A Legitmix file is like an instruction set fans can use to seamlessly recreate your work using their copy of the source tracks. Legitmix can search a fan's computer for source tracks so they only need to purchase the ones they are missing. The recreated remix is identical to your original version and can be automatically imported into a fan's iTunes library. In a few clicks fans can buy your work and the original tracks you sampled.

the whole thing with max is sad... wasn't he offering to 'host' mixtapes for $200 a pop