De La Soul - Classic or Dud?

hip-hop people reviewing bionix all said
it sucked. indie rock type people reviewing
it said it was another classic from de
la soul. those are the only people who
reviewed it.

is STILL a really nice listen. if you take that song for face value away from the rest of the album, shows a real weird foreshadow of things Mo Wax/Beastie/Beck (mostly things I never cared too much for), but that weird international downtempo weird sample... it seemed to preface all that Cibo Matto/Stereolab/Stereototal (slow) modern rock-hop.

Not too big on De La Soul though; however, check this song out again if you haven't recently.

I played "Tryin'" before my brother's wedding a couple months ago, just to calm my nerves on a stressful day, and I damn near started to weep. The song is about being ready for the rest of your life, by guys obviously not ready for the rest of their lives.

All the records are great, but De La is greater than ever.

The Twin Cities hereby cast all their votes for "classic."

I'd swear there's a thread around here about mature hip-hop that I might have even started but I can't find it.

notions, soothed the mood

the first album kicks the 2nd's ass 8 ways to tuesday

"'De La Soul is Dead' is a better album than '3 Feet High...'" is the worst CHALLENGING OPINION in music criti

three feet high and rising was the first
hip-hop album i ever bought. buhloone
mind state was the second. it would be
cool to say bionix was the last one. but
it wasn't. it was good, though. the slick
rick one. 'held down.' 'bionix.' those
other ones.

hip-hop people reviewing bionix all said
it sucked. indie rock type people reviewing
it said it was another classic from de
la soul. those are the only people who
reviewed it.

-- DK, Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:46 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

o.O

i had a thing for making paper since papier-mache

dude you were the one that told me 3 Ft High was dylan's first rap album

I heard De La Soul Is Dead in its entirety before I heard Three Feet High and Rising in its entirety, which is part of the reason why I hold this allegedly controversial CHALLENGING OPINION.

its totally not a challenging opinion wtf people - but buhloone mind state is better than both of them anyway

i say this as someone who has listed to those three albums more than anyone on this board im sure

production on Buhloone is less unique than on 1st 2. They're all great. 2nd>>>1st>>>3rd.

buhloone mind state remains my pick too

3>2>1

but theyre all great obv

1st > 3rd > 2nd

I heard De La Soul Is Dead in its entirety before I heard Three Feet High and Rising in its entirety, which is part of the reason why I hold this allegedly controversial CHALLENGING OPINION.

this is what I assume of anyone who holds same

lol no i had 3 feet around when it cam out it kinda marked my devolution from someone who just listened to the radio and had a few albums to a music obsessive. i remember seeing the video for me myself and i on bet at a friends house and being all wtf is this must have! then dead was the last tape i had before i got a cd player. i taped ringringring off the radio before the album came out and was all wtf at the new sound but it grew on me fast. then when buhloon came out it was just <3<3<3

3 feet is nice but they got sooo much better at everything

3 feet is nice but they got sooo much better at everything

I pretty much agree with this.

so do I. 1st and 2nd are both more "fun" (having guru guest on a track will do that, though har har). 3rd I guess a lil TOO good ie refined.

(tho i guess having biz guest cancels out guru)

omglol i am watching de la videos on youtube omg!

http://static1.videosift.com/thumbs/d/el/De_La_Soul_Me_Myself_And_I.jpg

this hair whaaaa!

2>4>1=3

For a long time I wrote off the AOI Bionix lps, but on repeat listen I think they are tight. I saw them perform at DEMF in 01 and they were great.

they got better at smooth jazz soul jams. but the 1st album is alive in a way those that follow are not and it's got the best wordplay by far. also, i like hippies and the color yellow.

Buhloone Mind State is better than the first two. It's like desert island material.

arsenio dissed us but the crowed kept clapping http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR-p_yMTFDY

Wrote something a couple of years ago on Buhloone, although they never even came close to recording boilerplate material.

it's got the best wordplay by far

gabz its fine if you like that one best but this is just demonstrably false - buhloon is 100% double entendres metaphors and allusions

i like the kiddie metaphors more than the adult metaphors, but there's a fair amount of adult stuff on the 1st one too

as a prince paul fan i'm partial to the first three with BMS being tops

'i am i be' for all time
buhloone rules

i love stakes is high

When I listen to "I Am I Be" I get chills; like top ten song ever.

otm

discovering that third de la album was when they really clicked for me, i think, and i started to actually have ideas about their music for the first time that really felt like my own rather than sort of blindly buying into one narrative or another, which i did when i heard the first two records ... i liked them but not enough to think about them. buhloone was kind of like a breakthrough (breakathrough?) where i realized De La were great and worth giving a shit about on a personal, rewind-this-record-over-and-over level rather than just paying my dues as a rap nerd by touching all the canon bases or whatever

i dont know if i think its the 'best' any more but its definitely the one de la record i most fondly associate w/ being a teenager and really getting rap, climbing up a neighbor's fire escape to watch the sun set on a rooftop w/ it playing in the headphones. good times

buhloone is kinda impersonal to me.... i gotta admit i love de la is dead just for having so many songs that are the shit and this big smart ass unified concept and i love stakes is high cuz it was the first de la album i actually got when it dropped but all of em are the shit including aoi ones and grind date

one joint i think is underrated for real is "held down" with cee-lo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-htszlfoDI

god, stakes is high is so fucking good, you people are clueless

just curious, how do you mean 'impersonal' - like to you personally, or the overall sound of the record?? to me tracks like 'i am i be' are exactly the opposite of that

stakes is the shit, its the first one that fits in the era of rap i came up on instead of weirdo early 90s daisy age skit rap... set the style for the whole late 90s rawkus underground shit too

i guess i mean impersonal that like dudes seem a lot less passionate on it compared to the other joints like is dead or stakes, and i dig angry de la more than like self satisfied chillin de la - buhloone just gets a lil too workmanlike without having the smarter grown folks shit you get from the aoi cds.... its still dope dont get me wrong but i think like beats rhymes & life does the same style about 10000x better

i dunno i feel like im talking outta my ass cuz i dont play that as much as the other cds so let me play it out & get back to yall with opinions4u

stakes is the shit, its the first one that fits in the era of rap i came up on instead of weirdo early 90s daisy age skit rap

duh. but i confess i don't own it. is most of the stuff better than 'all good'?

beats rhymes & life does the same style about 10000x better
damn! that's a lot of times better

stakes is high is great but it's the 1st one of theirs that had skippable tracks from the getgo.

aren't SiH and BR&L like the albums where they tried to sound like everyone else and therefore less deserving of any marginal distinction even if the flow was upped a notch?

all good was from mosaic thump, dum dum

u never heard 'stakes is high' or 'tha bizness' or 'itzsoweezee'???

xp damn thats a CHALLENGING OPINION gabb

stakes is high completely defined my summer when it came out. beats rhymes & life is its companion piece yes, but i will not rate them against each other.

'wait doesnt this sound like other rap???' = the mating call of dudes who dont actually like rap

i've heard stakes is high and tha bizness. is the rest better than those?

if liking someone other than de la is yr criterion of actually liking rap, then maybe you'd understand that someone who actually likes rap might prefer something other than those albums

i'm just saying people be rating 1,2,3 and forgetting 4. in reality, it's 3>4>2 people. forget 1 unless you want to be skipping tracks.

"reality"

nah dog i just think its lame to be all suspicious of shit because you heard it might * gasp * actually sound like * gulp * MID 90s RAP MUSIC instead of your lil tokenist daisy age bill cosby conscious cat dreamz

allmusic is OTM here:

Stakes Is High is often overshadowed by its predecessors in the De La Soul discography and, upon its release, it was lost in a summer of great import and consequence. Released on the same day as Nas' alter-ego epic It Was Written and sandwiched between albums like Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt and OutKast's ATLiens, it's very possible that Stakes Is High didn't get its rightful burn in respective tape decks and CD players. Aside from that, hip-hop was fully embroiled in the East Coast vs. West Coast beef, something in which the Native Tongues vanguards were seeming nonplayers. But it's under these conditions that De La offered an album that was not only sonically excellent and creative and pure, but an album with the year's most relevant and prescient message. The stakes were indeed high. Inter-genre violence was bubbling beneath the surface, overshadowing the turn hip-hop was taking — a turn away from what was a mid-'90s renaissance of the late-'80s golden age excellence, quickly evolving into what is now known as the jiggy era. On "The Bizness" — a song featuring the quickly maturing Common before his lyrical touchstone One Day It'll All Makes Sense — Dave spits "Do not connect us with those champagne-sippin' money-fakers." Hip-hop was at a crossroads, a precipice — whatever you'd like to call it — and De La were concerned. "Supa Emcees" asked "Whatever happened to the MC?" and cautioned "MCing ain't for you!" "Dog Eat Dog" asserted that folks were "fucking my love in all the wrong places" — an obvious metaphor. "Baby Baby Baby Baby Ooh Baby" is a sharp satire of the Bad Boy-style hip-hop that was beginning its reign, fit with a beat as Hitmen-esque as an '80s R&B revision with Posdnuos rhyming in a conspicuously Biggie-like cadence. No, this was not an unabashed hip-hop classic like 3 Feet High and Rising and De La Soul Is Dead, or as provocative and fresh as some of its 1996 peers. It was, however, an entertaining and unapologetic De La album that placed hip-hop in front of a mirror. It's also an album that did its part to solve what De La were articulating as a problem, ushering in what would become the newer version of the Native Tongues, with multi-production from a young Jay Dee, Mos Def's introduction to most listeners, the aforementioned Common cameo, and hooks from Erykah Badu and Zhané, artists leading the burgeoning neo-soul movement of the time. It was as if De La were providing an antidote. Stakes Is High is an important album of this era, an album of great production and the most skilled of MCs who diagnosed symptoms of what they believed were hip-hop health complications — but it offered the medicine.

nah dog i just think it's lame to make MID 90s RAP MUSIC when the shit you made before and after doesn't sound much like it or to listen to the de la or tribe version when there's a lot better MID 90s RAP MUSIC

de la or tribe version

but they were in the top tier of MID 90s RAP MUSIC

that amg review does a pretty good job explaining why you would want to listen to de la's version of MID 90s RAP MUSIC - maybe u should put us up on the dozens of cats you fuck with who were making better rap music than de la or tribe in 96?

gabbneb have you ever owned a backpack

xp w/ dude saying the same thing - sorry man i know u wanna come off as a connissuer but you just sound madd dilettante/tokenist

look im all about personal taste and shit like that but if you seriously think the single 'stakes is high' is weak (as u imply in this thread) youre bad at listening to rap music

yes, i have backpacked extensively throughout north america, or wish i had, at least. but i'd rather listen any day to jay-z or ghostface or nas than chali 2na or el-p or i don't even know who.

i have no issues with those other artists, but you haven't EVEN HEARD stakes is high, man. come on.

what the fuck are you even talking about? seriously, what?

i dunno this kind of hardcore selectivism with rap is whats always bugged me about ilm rock critic dudes... like if youre fucking with 99.999% non-hiphop and only love 11 rap LPs i guess you can afford to treat shit like stakes is high as some mediocrity thats beneath your sorry ass but that shit is classic to me

(crocker!)

I saw them on Landsdowne St when they toured for Stakes Is High. That show was FANTASTIC.

It is stupid and criminal that I don't have all of their albums.

(I've got 3 Feet..., Dead, Stakes and the first AOI disc)

(My brother has Buhloone and I always assumed I'd tape it off him someday)

(crocker)

http://img.youtube.com/vi/kHmvkRoEowc/2.jpg
(crocker)

LEAVE GABBNEB ALONE

only love 11 rap LPs i guess you can afford to treat shit like stakes is high as some mediocrity thats beneath your sorry ass but that shit is classic to me

yeah, sorry, there's a space between only loving 11 rap lp's and being a completist rap geek

thread taking a turn for the suck

i've always repped for Stakes. the people that push so hard for 3 feet are the same people that think the best hip hop group/production was Public Enemy (ie white dudes who were in college or highschool when they came out)

but yeah cutty otm i haven't even heard the thing

Stakes is fantastic.

skits suck, that's why later albums are better listens start to finish.

CHALLENGING!

I saw them on Landsdowne St when they toured for Stakes Is High. That show was FANTASTIC.

-- HI DERE, Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:47 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i was there!

stakes is good but its got this really kind of unsatisfying stilted calculating feel - its when they started sounding like uh oh maybe we shouldve gone to college instead of fucking w/this shit

also no prince paul :(

nah for me stakes is when they actually start to feel like real people i know instead of just goofy improv comedy dudes making weird rap

not to diminish how dope the first 3 de la records are but for real stakes is raw

yah and that was sort of the whole idea of it - to bring it down to a human level - but a lot of their brilliance came w/being just out there - regardless of weather or not they were comfortable w/that anymore

one thing that sure suks abt it is common

btw ur completely fucking insane to think beats rhymes life should be even mentioned in the same breath as buhloon

nah for me stakes is when they actually start to feel like real people i know instead of just goofy improv comedy dudes making weird rap

dude, "Bitties in the BK Lounge"!

"Why do people think just because we speak peace
We can't blow no joints?"

Common's verse on stakes is fine!!!
Whip ANYBODY ass at NBA Live

com on tha bizness is tha bizness fuk u if u disagree

someone should go back in time to insure theres never any such thing as common

for everybody who isnt spitting tired-ass recieved CHALLENGING OPINIONS about com sense heres the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyqUlpHs7YE&feature=related

thats not a video

no he's a hippie and likes poetry slams and therefore isn't hard enough for internet thugs

he's middlebrow

he wears stupid hats

ILM: we've solved rap music.

he raps abt his tedious ideas like hes explaining something REAL important to you

also, stakes is high = jay dee

com on tha bizness is tha bizness fuk u if u disagree

-- and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 21:52 (26 minutes ago) Link

^^^

I saw De La & Common perform "Tha Bizness" together a few years back. Dope.

you guys were 13 when Tha Bizness came out, I was 13 when Me, Myself and I came out

oh no fuk u guys so there

I never thought I'd see the day BR&L gets praised like this.

jhøshea on a pile of money about Stakes, but can't back this revisionist idea of Common as a devil because of his latter day Badu mindstate/pants.

Resurrection for fucking all time.

I dunno, Stakes was where I got off the De La bus. Sold it back years ago haven't heard it since, maybe I'd like it now. At the time I was very disappointed by the lack of Prince Paul. imho the best of theirs is probably is Dead or BMS for me, too bad the vinyl copy I have of is Dead is the WORST FUCKING RECORD PRESSING I HAVE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE. They songs are actually chopped short!

http://fatlacemagazine.rawkus.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/dela-2.jpg

its rude to point

is that Ann Coulter?

Exclusive: De La Soul's 2009 project
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/exclusive-de-la-souls-2009-project

"We are working on a revision of "3 Feet High and Rising," celebrating 20 years of that."

It's been a pretty good decade for these guys!

The Art Official Inteligence albums are good - Mosaic Thump is the better one (nice trick making the skits a showcase for dope freestyles), but Bionix at least has two great tracks, sampling Gainsbourg and Carl Tjader. The Grind Date is way more quality, tho - it's about as fun and exciting as a conscious rap release could get this decade. A lot of really cool beats, great guest spots (Ghostface, Flava Flav)...them doing "Much More" on Dave Chapelle is like one of my all-time fave popcult moments. Even the cover booklet is great (it has this calendar-style gimmick.) They've become pretty good producers, too, and this Supa Dave West guy they've got doing most of the beats on recent albums is a talent.

It's funny, I'm a big fan but I hardly ever listen to what they're rhyming about tbh.

I've only heard 3 and 2, but 3 > 2, so I'm tempted to try 4 next rather than 1.

The Grind Date is one of my favorite albums o fthe decade.

funny ass thread

Baby Phat ftw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTq0BMC_GZI

just picking and choosing twenty or thirty good de la tracks is enough to remind you these guys are all time forever

New toonz!

http://wearedelasoul.tumblr.com/post/11340900324/de-la-new-work-snippet-enjoy-mr-big-mouth

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalright!

The first two albums:

"3 feet high" had lots of 'darker' moments, but everyone noticed the 'daisy' stuff.

"DLS is Dead" had lots of light/daisy moments as well, but people were expecting those but got 'surprised' by the darker stuff this time.

They are both great albums.

has this been posted anywhere? http://soundcloud.com/firstserve/de-la-souls-plug-1-plug-2

There's a video for another song too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds6dbdOjWV8&feature=player_embedded

this looks more promising than I expected. the *look* of that clip is great

Stakes is so otm this morning

i will test and find out

de la not on spotify!

It's just "Me Myself and I"

(And "The Grind Date")

are any Tommy Boy artists on Spotify...?

Really like this new track (and Maseo's grey goatee)

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/de-la-soul-channel-wu-tang-clan-on-get-away-song-premiere-20130417

great

dope

too short is the true salt & pepper don of rap tho (shouts to ish butler too)

I'll rep for The Grind Date again. And again.

otm

Grind Date is great because it suggests a world where De La Soul just kept recording, putting out a damn respectable album every two or three years. It's kind of a broken promise is that respect. Really good album, not quite a classic though (I actually prefer Bionix)

i welcomed them

Both the AOI releases are pretty great

absolutely. i would put out the argument that de la has a better hit/miss ratio than any other hip hop artists

hmmmmmmm

correct me!

Quik for me obv
De La is up there though

Not crazy about the first AOI album but it's been years. Thanks for the dinner music suggestion!

5 album minimum, i think they go toe to toe with pretty much anyone
xp okay yeah, quik but i dunno if i'd put him over them so much as at the same level

Scarface, Ghostface

love them both, would not give them the same hit/miss ratio as de la

I still listen to the grind date all the time

DE LA releasing ENTIRE CATALOG FOR FREE for 25 hours

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/de-la-soul-to-make-entire-catalog-available-for-free-20140213

Bump so people see it. Huge gift for folks.

nice. the digital unavailability of their stuff has been a long-term bummer

woah!!!!!!

This is awesome as can be. Even so, I'd love to have it on Spotify for usability; pretty sure I have everything on MP3 already but hopefully some outtake stuff to grab.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorwKAwqPnE
first listen, pretty good

will be furious if "complete catalogue" doesn't mean "complete catalogue" and it's just some studio albums

Like forks said I have everything as well but would be cool with random stuff. Kinda doubt it tho and just think it will be studio lp's. This isn't really for me tho I'm more excited to spread the word and just think its cool for them to do this.

This is basically the opportunity for me to go back and plug holes in my collection since there are a couple of albums I never had my own copies of (3 Feet and Buhloone in particular)

two of the best!

plug holes in

subliminal

ha was gonna say

Buhloone is top tenr ap album for me

Bump

Started a thread cos its important
De La Soul have digitally released their discography FOR FREEEEE for only TODAY

this is amazing! Thanks, De La!

me otm

I vividly remember the spring of 1989. I was on a trip to colonial Williamsburg, and there was a freak blizzard that dumped something like two feet of snow, shutting down the park and basically relegating us to the hotel room, where I mostly plopped in front of MTV, which I did not have at home. I knew that New Kids on the Block was absolutely not for me, that much was certain; "Hangin' Tough" was in circulation. But at the same time, I remember seeing the "Potholes in my Lawn" video a few times, and feeling like I wasn't quite ready for that, either. I think I was in middle school classic rock mode. Obviously I caught up to De La Soul, big time.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1519102394/de-la-souls-new-album

Link to De La's Kickstarter page

into it

These guys deserve my money for giving away their catalog the other year alone. That a lot of those incentives are cool is just icing on the cake.

Somebody snapped up the "Be on a skit" level pretty sharpish.

"These guys deserve my money for giving away their catalog the other year alone."

cant believe they did that TBH.

Stakes Is High/Art Official: MOS are underrated albums imo

"These guys deserve my money for giving away their catalog the other year alone."

cant believe they did that TBH.

can't believe they just uploaded mp3s they got from a Russian pirate site with missing ID3 metadata TBH

Aside from Grind Date, which I guess they can still profit off.

is the grind date really underrated? this thread took me to it, as its the only album of theirs on spotify. it's really great and largely passed me by.

The Grind Date is underrated in the sense that De La had passed out of the mainstream by the time it was released; to my knowledge, the fans who still actively follow the group love it to pieces

the grind date is really underrated

i dont remember it except thinking that it was a good album for that point in their careers. really solid stuff, better beats than some of their stuff prior to that, etc. i liked the impossible mission mix cd thing they put out. the album they did a few years back under an alias, without maseo too, though i dont remember the name.

cot dam, this thing is up to $350k! this may be the best funded De La album ever.

how many samples will that pay for

all of them! watch the funder video!

http://www.wearedelasoul.com/products/53993-god-it-feat-nas

ha I almost forgot to back the album (not that they need it, what with pulling in 4x their goal, but I need that bonus track and a t-shirt)

I'm waiting to the last week.

xpost Feel like The Grind Date was fairly acclaimed at the time, seen as a return to form after the AOI records. It was #31 on the pitchfork EOY list. It also came out right before the sea change in rap coverage in rock/indie/mainstream critical outlets, so that probably influences reputation/legacy.

Like in 2004 the top rap albums on Pitchfork's EOY were The Streets, Madvillain, Ghostface, Dizzee Rascal, Kanye, and De La Soul. And in 2005 they were Kanye, Cam'ron, Clipse, Beanie Siegel, The Game, Young Jeezy.

raised about $601k, yikes

That is great.

As our September delivery date has long come and gone, we'd like to address the delay, the plan moving forward and the expected release date of our album.
Releasing a record independently has been a real undertaking. In addition to artistic satisfaction, the administrative and executive end had to feel right as well. Side artist clearances and appropriating the best distribution for this project has been just as important. With negotiations complete, we are now working on the plan for our awaited release. Thank you all for your patience.
In late December we'll hit you with a treat and release a song entitled "Train Wreck" followed by our first single "Pain" feat. Snoop Dogg, slated for February/March. Album release date is April 29th.
We'll be sure to keep you posted on our progress.
Thanks folks.
Anonymously,
Us.

Eh, it's been a decade; what's another five or six months.

i guess. i just mean to say that nothing crowdfunded comes out on time ever and it would be smarter to buy a finished product if that is your end goal and/or send a check directly.

nothing crowdfunded comes out on time ever

a) this is obviously wildly untrue

b) one would have expected that an entire De La Soul album would run into delays, especially when the funding was so successful that it suggested getting decent distribution would be worthwhile, not just shipping to backers.

a) it's proven by science

b) one would have expected that an album intended to release in 2015 might release in 2015 when that was the stated intention of the artist

can't believe an artist's stated intention for their album release has changed plans for the first time ever!

(they ought to have informed folks ahead of September, definitely.)

(first thing I ever crowdfunded was a lavish hardcover comic that was meant to be exclusive to Kickstarter, but ended up being solicited through Diamond and subsequently available in comic shops something like 6-8 months before mine shipped. I still haven't finished reading it 5 years later bcz of disillusionment. but I've no beef on anything else I've kickstarted or pozibled or w/e)

yeah nothing wrong with delaying a release date if they wanna make things better but not keeping the people who already paid money for it informed is kinda lame

sic, i assume you mean the little nemo book?

I just want my t-shirt

didn't know there was any issue with the Little Nemo book! (and it only came out last year) (mine was the Michael Zulli one which turns out to only be four years ago, not five)

I was gonna guess James Owen, it sounds like something he would do (though sic has too fine taste to fund a James Owen comic)

i saw the zulli was out on the fanta blog but didn't even know it had started as a crowdfund piece!

all facetiousness aside, approaching crowdfunding as a consumer sport is a bad idea; the only reason to go that way is if you want to unconditionally support the artist. to that extent, i'm happy getting whatever de la makes whenever they make it but (from the buyer's end) there's something to be said to having to obey the constraints of a demanding market. It's not like losing the fetters improved, say, prince's output

three new free tracks to say sorry for delay on the kickstarter alb
http://www.audiomack.com/album/2dbz/for-your-pain-suffering

more like two new songs, a skit and an experiment

Yeah these new songs suck. Really hoping they aren't at all indicative of the album.

I just found these...

Yeah these new songs suck.

...and was coming here to say the exact opposite.

the features for the album include Jill Scott, Snoop Dogg, Roc Marciano, Estelle, Pete Rock, David Byrne, Usher, 2 Chainz... also Little Dragon and Damon Albarn but I suppose that was already presumed

oddly, it's "PAIN feat. Snoop Dogg" and "SNOOPIES feat. David Byrne"
did they maybe both show up on the wrong day?

The title "For Your Pain & Suffering" seems pretty sarcastic after listening to the music, though I mostly enjoyed it. Wasn't their new album supposed to be called "You're Welcome" at one point?

oh snap this new one w snoop is awesome and v encouraging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vDVDo9w20w

i wanna know who produced this, dave? sounds really good.

Song sounds fine, but I hope the album is more challenging than this. I get that they're older now but it's like they've lost all interest in confrontation and provocation

huh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umdFFR9XVpE&feature=youtu.be

Good read.

thx.

whats that link xp?

throw up the youtube short link

it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umdFFR9XVpE

youtube's are fucking up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umdFFR9XVpE

arrrrrggghhhhhhfzfvs:dbvbsvkn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umdFFR9XVpE

if this doesn't work, i quit
youtube dot com/watch?v=umdFFR9XVpE

all four work for me! idk what everybody's problem w youtube embeds is lately

it's just black bars

All these songs sound pretty sweet, lots of detail in the production.

it's just black bars
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/4LJyDjK.png

basically

I see y'all are having the same problem translating yourselves in a hostile medium as De La has.

Usher. Lots of detail here in both the production and the verses but I do hope this album remembers to be fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=946HNu5YlNM&feature=youtu.be

yeah thats good.

I'm really looking forward to this album, which means I'm highly likely to be disappointed. Really into everything I've heard so far.

oh man that song is wonderful!

Best Usher vocal since 2014 too.

Digging this. Super low key tho.

This album is such a wet blanket

I'm liking it a lot, even the 2 Chainz bit, but not David Byrne's awful appearance.

maybe save it for wintertime xp

The De La Soul is Not Dead: documentray trailer was uploaded to youtube, yesterday.

oh damn it's released already?

xxp yeah I listened to it again with different expectations and didn't hate it as much. I'm still interested in catching up Pos & Dave after all these and hearing what they have to say, but these accompaniments are so low energy, and the guests are so shoehorned in, and the whole thing feels like it's pandering to toothless AAA stations that consider 70 soul revival acts hip and edgy. It's just such an old man record I can't quite get over it.

it's so old man i really tried to get into it . like even the metaphors in the raps are some super outdated references it's embarrassing .

this sucked imo

My enthusiasm's waning. I like the sound, but I wanted the songs to be as alive as that sleeve. The Justin Hawkins track is awful, the most turgid thing they've ever recorded, the Byrne song is almost as terrible, and the Estelle and Little Dragon appearances are eh. I still love "Greyhounds," "Royals," Here in After," and "Pain."

yeah those are the best tracks for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i346sS-_8Q

Watched this doc thursday night. Prince Paul's revealing interview about his departure and thoughts on Stakes is High was the highlight for me

interesting to me that they didn't acknowledge the AOI albums or Grind Date in the doc at all
need to give the new album more than two listens

I'm also baffled why the doc stops at Stakes and skips to the new album -- and no mention of Pos's spinal meningitis in 1994, which seems as integral to group's story as Ralf Hutter's cycling accident to Kraftwerk's

The beginning of this album is something of a slog but by the time I hit around track 4-5 I'm in heaven

their Judgment Night song w/Teenage Fanclub "Fallin" really holds up a lot better than everything else on that album, amazingly somehow they actually hit on something that reflected the strengths of both groups

^^ this (and thanks for the welcome back, shakedown)

i was wondering what was gonna be your batsignal PW

anytime you need me, mention this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt8WEE_vB0E

"who was that masked man"

Yikes what a dull performance. And Estelle sounds horrible. Why does Estelle sound horrible?

http://pitchfork.com/news/68591-watch-de-la-soul-estelle-and-the-roots-perform-memory-of-us-on-fallon/

Oh wow she does sound really bad there. that was really boring yea, poor song choice

New & Notable: @WeAreDeLaSoul’s “Buhloone Mindstate” and other @tommyboyrecords classics now available digitally and on vinyl. https://t.co/rjtnAtZ0C9

— bandcamp (@Bandcamp) September 4, 2018

Yay!

is there any more seminal/canonical band whose catalog was so royally fucked up/made unavailable by the record industry and its legal pitfalls?

is there any more seminal/canonical band whose catalog was so royally fucked up/made unavailable by the record industry and its legal pitfalls?

possibly why the band gave their albums away digitally a few years ago.

oh that's definitely why they did it

I'm just struggling to think of another act that released such hugely influential and popular records, that subsequently had their work disappear from circulation for extended periods of time for legal reasons.

It is weird that their albums disappeared while Paul's Boutique has never gone out of print.

`cism

I don't think so, it has to do with who filed lawsuits against who. That the Beatles didn't sue might have something to do with the fact that the Beasties were on Capitol... De La happened to get sued by a couple people that were incredibly aggressive legally (ie, the Turtles and Armen Boladian)

So many shitty things about music can be blamed on the Turtles.

eh good outweighs the bad imo

I've never cared for Zappa. the Turtles records + T. Rex + their backing vocals on all sorts of stuff (the Psychedelic Furs!) make them forever classic imo

It is weird that their albums disappeared while Paul's Boutique has never gone out of print.

yeah, lawsuits aside, those records almost certainly went out of print after Tommy Boy left Warner. I'd be surprised if Three Feet and Is Dead turn up on Bandcamp.

right, but I would guess that Tommy Boy didn't re-issue or license them to others for re-issue because of the legal settlements (having to pay Armen Boladian $0.01 on every copy sold or whatever it was)

tried to buy buhloone on bandcamp, but there is some error going on. anyone have better luck?

I think Warner still held the catalogue actually! and while they could afford to pay a weird publishing split and an onerous mechanical here and there, once Tom himself was gone, there was no longer a perceived A&R value to making a lower amount on any one sale because the artist was out there promoting the overall oeuvre

yeah that makes sense

yo can someone ysi buloone? i can't find a digital copy to buy that works and i have no idea where in storage my old cds are.

I envy you hearing it for the first time!

i really will be like the first time , i haven't heard through in years

I can email a zip

i sent you my email through here

Could you send it again? Odd - I saw it, clicked on it, then it vanished.

sent TY

just another area
for me to pah-trol

Got it that time.

See what happens...

success!

Ah good.

i be four eleven

sometimes I think it's their best album - not as left-field startling as the debut, but more concise, no filler

and all of the guest spots are fantastic

It IS their best album.

but DLSID exist

im sure this was debated upthread but i am still on the fence myself

Nah, Dead is easily their most creative album. 3 Feet is more accessible, Buhloone is more abstract. They're all three absolutely brilliant and I could get on board with any well-articulated reasons why any of them are their overall best album.

Personally, my pick is Dead.👌

I love these dudes so much. I ranked them.

Never saw em live back in the day but just saw them do a free show outdoors outside the Kennedy Center. Recognized Potholes in my Lawn, Me, Myself & I, and one other one. not the rest , but it was all still fun with lots of calls to wave your arms in the air.

lol at "one other one"

it might blow up but it won't go pop

THE BEST...THE BEST?...THE BEST! OOH WEEE!

sometimes I think it's their best album - not as left-field startling as the debut, but more concise, no filler

it is indeed

man Art Official Intelligence: Mosaic Thump is so damn tight. Only the attempts at Puff-era crossover go splat.

Every mixtape should contain one of the following songs:

Oodles of Os
Millie Pulled A Pistol On Santa
Ego Trippin' (Part 2)
Rock Co.Kane Flow

sadly no streaming playlists can.

You can include "Rock Co.Kane Flow" on Spotify

ah fair, missed that one

i love mosaic thump. but which songs are the crossover grabs you speak of?

"The Art of Getting Jumped" and "U Can Do (Life)."

The art of Getting Jumped, really? I’d say the pop stabs are Oooh, IC Y’all and All Good. Oooh is excellent and the other 2 are good. Whole album is worthwhile and I’d say Bionix had more crossover attempts though it’s awesome, too.

someone on twitter posted this live version of rock co kane flow with doom, fun clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5LKWqGCSk

maybe they were just really bad at trying to crossover cos i dont really get that from those.

bionix tried a lot harder i think. i love that one too tho.

oh hey a new De La album!
without trugoy.
produced by DJ Khalid.
wtf is going on here.

oh wait this is not that dj khalid and it is eight years old
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug_1_%26_Plug_2_Present..._First_Serve

also that is Trugoy, he just started going officially by the ludicrous alias "Dave" over two decades ago

Did and maybe do still love these guys but after revisiting their old albums, have concluded that they have quite boring voices. In a way that's their legacy, making it ok to be a rapper with a boring voice.

They def had some late career highlights, grind date being the one yet sticks out, but I think what prince Paul did was balance out the boring voices with a lot of colourful distractions so you forgot that.

*the one that sticks out

you have some very challenging opinions

these are opinions, all right

You can see their post Paul career as a way of fully embracing the regular guy shtick their voices previously only suggested. Eg - trying people. The humour also became less zany and quirky and more regular. In fairness, the first serve album did try to address the decline in clever humour a little bit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug_1_%26_Plug_2_Present..._First_Serve

I need to check out their 2016 album. Totally passed me by.

"Trugoy, he just started going officially by the ludicrous alias "Dave" "

This was a tragic turning point. Though maybe influenced London rapper Dave.

candyman, I agree, they're not much in the way of stylists. No less great for it, mind.

Someone once said that De La Soul were the first rappers whose beats were more important than their words and voices. Is this a controversial take?

i regularly listen to and enjoy most of the music from hip hop group De La Soul

Classic

"Someone once said that De La Soul were the first rappers whose beats were more important than their words and voices. Is this a controversial take?"

That seems a bit off? But idk, I kinda lost some interest when they split from Paul. Stakes is high had some truly boring beats.

I think mc tee was the first though.

I mean, you could go back to Planet Rock

also I reject the entire premise of this revive except brimstead saying classic

absolute classic

I kinda lost some interest when they split from Paul. Stakes is high had some truly boring beats.

this is like the hiphop fan version of "my best friend is black!!"

it could be, if i wasnt listening to a ton of other rap in the 90s, if rap wasnt the main genre i listened to. but then you would prob say thats like 'but my favourite genre is black!'

actually no, i still dont get your analogy.

what? both of you stop

i mean, stakes is high the title track had an amazing beat (also just the best song on there IIRC). the rest though, it was a bit weak.

the internet made a man out of pussies from around my way who usually wouldn't have a fucking thing to say.

classic, obvs.

stakes is high is one of my favorite albums by the beloved hip hop band de la soul
they are rappers

i forgot about 4more and big brother beat.

'This is like the hiphop fan version of "my best friend is black!!"'

The other reason this is wrong is that buhloone mind state is totally unlike the first two albums. It's much more sober, less chaotic, and has none of the earlier playfulness.

It’s also fantastic, as is The Grind Date

buhloone is my favourite

the first four are perfect, and i like a lot of the AOI records too. Much More! Shopping Bags!

not at all playful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWGvQqmBWc8

THERE IS NO R N B IN THIS SONG

They should have just continued doing goofy, silly songs like “My Brother’s a Bashead” and “Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa”

I can't decide between Buhloone and Art Official Intelligence: Bionix

The other reason this is wrong is that buhloone mind state is totally unlike the first two albums. It's much more sober, less chaotic, and has none of the earlier playfulness.

― candyman, Monday, February 15, 2021 11:56 AM

"oh, i'm sorry. i didn't know we were going back to that."

I enjoy the 1993 album "Buhloone Mind State" from the all-time great rap band De La Soul.
I also enjoy the 2001 album "Art Official Intelligence: Bionix" from the excellent rap band De La Soul.
These album, along with most of their albums, are very good albums.
Thanks for your time!

the all-time great rap band De La Soul

yes.

the excellent rap band De La Soul

also yes.

Yeah, Art Official Intelligence: Bionix was surprisingly good - Mosaic Thump didn't feel like much past a few good singles, so I wasn't sure if they had it in them to make an album like that. The first three, Stakes Is High and Bionix are all excellent-to-great.

i always forget how good Held Down is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ckWYPMqPc

i thought mosaic thump was disappointing at the time. it's okay, i guess. bionix was a clear and obvious return to form.

even though it was an obvious attempt to get on the radio, i liked "shoomp" a lot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9tEhwnr2qs

shame they didn't end up including it on the grind date. i thought it continued the feel good vibe of bionix perfectly.

"They should have just continued doing goofy, silly songs like “My Brother’s a Bashead” and “Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa”"

The thing is, buhloone is musically much more of a cynical or at least deflated record than the earlier two, even DLSID. Doesnt take a PhD in hip hop to see that.

More than that though, I think its the album they really sounded like mature adults.

what d'you know about music, hamster penis?

I've forgotten more than you'll ever know buttcrust

you're starting to sound just like mc shan.

how does BM sound "cynical"?

for real, that's legitimately ridiculous. it's not.

nothing de la ever did could be considered truly "cynical." not after de la soul is dead.

I feel like cynical is a word people use about music when they want to criticize something but don't really have anything concrete

hella cynical of you to say that

Cynicism is curdled sentimentality: a bitterness that the world didn't turn out the way you expected.

Buhloone Mindstate is cynical?

My name is Cynical, I be 4'11"

I like some of De La's stuff but their voices have always been the biggest stumbling block for me

Sometimes ppl say something is “cynical,” when what they mean is that they have a cynical view of the motives behind it. This can be confusing

wtf wrong with their voices lol

"shit imagine if there wasn't no us huh"

classic

also

candyman
candyman
candyman
candyman
candyman

Buhloone Mindstate is not cynical - if they sound angry or downbeat in places it's because they care, not because they don't

yeah this voices thing is weird, I have no idea what that is about

also I really perplexed by this one

Halfway there but for you at 11:15 15 Feb 21

Someone once said that De La Soul were the first rappers whose beats were more important than their words and voices. Is this a controversial take

most people's first exposure to them was Me, Myself or if you were more into hip hop "Potholes in My Lawn", in both cases their lyrical style, lyrics, the whole boho vibe was super important

yeah like i said upthread Candyman just needed to stop with the lame takes in this thread

candyman's takes in this revive make me feel like we are listening to two different things.

"i always forget how good Held Down is"

YES

Pos and Dave both have unmistakable voices, and the low-key-ness is part of the appeal, not a lack

it's a bummer, De La being essentially missing from streaming has really affected their historical profile

^^ yup

big time

Chris Rock jokes that he still buys CD's because if someone "takes down the cloud, I'll still have Luther!"

I guess that's me with De La Soul, except they never were on "the cloud."

lol i said this awhile back and whiney flipped out at me

anyway de la soul are incredible, cant think of a candyman contribution to a thread ive appreciated yet...

I've read some of your reviews and could say the same.

Also arent you the guy who said hip hop is jazz? Lol.

arms too short to box with god ^^^

^^^lyrical references too hackneyed to really zing

you guys can pile on me, i dont mind, glad to help with the community bonding on this site, and i'll admit sure my buhloone reading is a bit off (was going on memory really, and a song like i am i be) but i stand by the notion that they have boring voices. i get that saying such a revered group has 'boring' voices might irk when worded in that way (low key might have been fairer) but compared to rap voices like say (and im only using others from the same era to be fair), q tip, kool keith, wu-tang, snoop, souls of mischief, del, de la are hardly the most interesting vocal characters. id say the same about gza, mos def and plenty other rappers who still make good songs and good albums.

well, "boring" is a pejorative and "low key" isn't. they mean two different things.

as far as the "pile on". i think i tried to engage with you earnestly on the "limitations of hip hop" thread until it was clear you didn't actually want a discussion about it. frankly, everyone here has been on the internet a long ass time and the way you post in a sort of professorial, condescending tone about black artists (here, limitations of hip hop, the prince thread) and how they lack in your eyes, puts up a lot of people's antennas here as signals of being ways of saying racially problematic things in code, let's say. you also don't really regard anyone else's opinion on hip hop or anything else, that's pretty clear.

also it is a community, so if you don't have a long history of posting and people understanding where you're coming from, you're not going to get as much benefit of the doubt.

imagine thinking GZA and Mos Def have boring voices. Not even sure what "boring" means to you at this point.

in fairness, maybe candyman thinks their voices can drill holes through things

Maybe a non-boring voice is supposed to sound like Bobcat Goldthwaite's.

imagining now the emo philips of rap

so... Danny Brown?

CHECK

just sort of making a general point here, not responding to candyman directly, but posdnous has an incredible rap voice, flat out. immediately distinctive, conveys his personality that frames his poetic style w a kind of casual profundity that's impossible to replicate

am i a fan of pos' rap style bc i know when i hear his voice the music is going to be good, or was the music good because of his rap style? a contradiction at the heart of great art ofc

Also arent you the guy who said hip hop is jazz? Lol.

― candyman, Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:10 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

d-40 still otm here

pops used to say it reminded him of bebop

don't you know that things go in cycles?

posdnous has an incredible rap voice, flat out. immediately distinctive, conveys his personality that frames his poetic style w a kind of casual profundity that's impossible to replicate

otm, close thread

xp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VsgkIE-RHg

Apart from insisting on your poorly defended opinion, candyman, I'd be more offended if ILM mattered to more than, like, 50 people. De La Soul, whose classic albums aren't streaming on Spotify, doesn't need any more wiping out.

"you post in a sort of professorial, condescending tone about black artists (here, limitations of hip hop, the prince thread) and how they lack in your eyes, puts up a lot of people's antennas here as signals of being ways of saying racially problematic things in code"

im fine with being thought of as being condescending towards hip hop, i have a love hate relationship with it. i can accept that. condescending towards all black artists? thats kind of weird. its prob more that the musicians i love are mostly black artists, and i am a critical person. i mean, i posted in the 'is jack white indefensible' thread here and made comments that are hardly full of adulation about his solo material.

anyway, i dont want to make this thread about me. ill leave you all to it.

actually, one thing that does bother me about your post is this specious idea of 'racially problematic things in code'. you are aware that there are many schools of thought within black music, that liking black music does not mean you have to like it *all*, arent you? that you can quite literally have a branford and a wynton in the same family? maybe think about that before you throw around ding-ding allegations.

i thought you were leaving

I'm just describing the dynamic of what's happening

you're so fuckin smart I'm surprised you don't catch on

The breadth of Black music is best described by contrasting two siblings who are both jazz musicians, I agree

if that's all you draw from a comparison of those two jazz musicians, then idk what to tell you. wynton is a big rap hater and jazz traditionalist, brandon was at one point big rap ally and collabo'd with public enemy, dj premier, etc etc.

"you're so fuckin smart I'm surprised you don't catch on"

i never said i was smart. youre just reading something into the way i type. its funny actually as i often read posts here from ppl in this forum and think they reek of pomposity, in-crowd smugness and self-satisfaction! so maybe, think of it as me just trying to fit in :)

argh, auto correct. *branford

i often read posts here from ppl in this forum and think they reek of pomposity, in-crowd smugness and self-satisfaction!

sounds like a plan.

*this forum should be 'this thread'

i'm not going to argue that ILX (and ILM in particular) can't be an insular community but the general assimilation of newcomers around here often starts from OH YEAH HERE'S MY OPINION and evolves into non-confrontational conversation; why not skip the line?

what a cocksnot.

crocker!

HOOOOOOOOLY... pic.twitter.com/5ovLNhePvC

— Dee Phunk (@DeePhunk) February 18, 2021

Teen Titans Go is really the best

they spelled "Joliceur" and "Posdnuos" correctly but couldn't get "Pasemaster," tsk

would've been very amused if they pulled back to reveal an animated prince paul watching this whole scene from a distance with a sour look on his face

is the evil music stealing alien named Srehthob Renraw?

Yobymmot

"what a cocksnot."

does your mum allow you to use the internet?

obviously, anal wart.

now i have a question for you:

how many times did the batmobile catch a flat?

how many feathers are on a perdew (?) chicken?

nada nunca.

"oh wow, 100 new answers about the great rap group de la soul, this should be fun!" i thought to myself before i actually started reading the posts in this thread

lol

don't even

def worst revive of the year so far

i mean that TTG clip was dope but

thanks. i can finally say i was a part of something noetworthy.

that no one clowned candyman for being british tells me ILM has evolved <3

After DECADES of legal battles, De La Soul has reportedly regained ownership of their masters. 🙌🏾 https://t.co/UuBbz9MayQ pic.twitter.com/Dd9o3NlQ32

— Okayplayer (@okayplayer) August 9, 2021

Dooooope

Hopefully that'll bring down the prices of their albums - at least in the U.S. they're out-of-print and ridiculously expensive. (They seem more likely to be in-print and cheap in Europe, Australia and elsewhere outside of the U.S.)

hopefully they'll finally earn some money from those albums

Hah, of course, that too!

aw shit

Nice

I wonder if these will show up on Spotify soon, or are there still sample issues?

Samples, or label rights?

Pretty sure there's a grandfather clause for samples, which is why Paul's Boutique still exists.

Not a grandfather clause - it comes down to whether or not the language of the original license covered future technology or changes in the way music is eventually distributed. It's crazy, you're basically anticipating things you can't envision so you have to draft language that's broad enough to cover it (but not so broad that the licensor will balk at the agreement).

The NY Times did a lengthy write-up on De La Soul's situation in 2016:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/arts/music/de-la-soul-digital-albums.html

I wonder if these will show up on Spotify soon, or are there still sample issues?

the article says that label rights being sorted out at last means everything's coming to streaming & digital storefronts soon

xpost BBs belatedly cleared Paul's samples, iirc

expected release date is november apparently

aaliyah and de la soul are certainly two of the more painful missing artists

Their legacies have definitely taken a hit by not being available on the source most people under 30 use to listen to music.

under 30s still love aaliyah ime

also last I checked, more specifically youtube is that source, and I'm sure their stuff reappears and disappears there often. I didn't check if it's real, but there's a full album upload for Aaliyah with 5M views

Saw these live on a UK tour in... 2018.. I think. midweek night, missing one person from the lineup (didn't even bother to check who it was, I'm a big fan,lol). Really naff gig, bad soundsystem didn't help. 50% of said gig was a random hype man shouting crass party hype stuff, making the audience crouch down and jump up to song cues while the rest of the band just chilled on stage. Felt like the we got the midweek in the boonies/'these rednecks will dance to a leaking tap' show. I was even more annoyed to find for same price tickets in London, a few days later, the whole lineup played with a full backing band, including brass.

making the audience crouch down and jump up to song cues

is it possible that this was Dres from Black Sheep performing The Choice Is Yours?

Saw them at some festival, probably 15 years ago. I love their albums, but they sucked live. Maybe it was the setting, but they seemed bored and obviously did not want to be there.

I saw them at the Rooftop at Pier 17 in NYC in July 2019, and they were AWESOME. They were definitely having fun, and surprisingly energetic given how much older they are now. Anyway, they were probably in the right mood - they were in their hometown, I vaguely recall allusions to their struggles with Tommy Boy (like the PiL song goes, "anger is an energy"), and all the bullshit happening in the country was heavy on their minds, with Pos kneeling and leading the group in prayer at one point, basically asking for the strength to navigate these times without succumbing to hate. Speaking as an agnostic, even I was pretty moved by that.

sorry for the anti-news revive, but i'm just now finding out that past de la affiliate shortie no mass released their debut album (!??!?) last year. if you like vintage nyc indie boom bap, it's decent. the first voice you hear on the album is phife dawg! happy sad!

The catalog is hitting streaming services on March 3. Kinda feel like it's a bit too little too late in terms of salvaging/cementing their legacy — I mean, will a bunch of middle-aged dads gassing on about their genius entice or repel potential teenage listeners?

The first four albums at least are sublime.

The AOI albums rule

Much More came on an old mixtape I made that was in my car yesterday and it remains one of my fave DLS jams

Maybe teenagers will/won't dig them but there's so much fun and so much going on in those records I don't see why not

They're not hard they're complicated

Fucking finally

The AOI albums rule

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown),

This. Especially the first one.

not just streaming services - they weren't even available in the itunes store this whole time.

y'know i was about to post on the "acts not on spotify" thread recently about my general despair over this - so hell yes to this news!

Much More came on an old mixtape I made that was in my car yesterday and it remains one of my fave DLS jams

― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Tuesday, January 3, 2023 7:16 AM

i have a "radio station" playlist that i keep and i try not to mess with local/offline files. went out of my way to put "4 more" on it. i liked it at the time, but that's kind of become the definition of a lost classic.

another one of their r+b hooks that i can't get enough of these days is "all good?" from the first aoi. featuring chaka, too.

c'mon 3 march!!!!

sorry, enthusiasm overload!

"much more" and "4 more" are two completely different songsa

In an impossibly excellent year for hip-hop, Buhloone Mindstate might be the best of 1993.

i'd have to think about that, but i would say "i am i be" is definitely the best thing they ever did.

Buhloone is the one of theirs I still play the most.

What a jam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odsPr0GzSLs

"stir my lime with light, drink it down slowly"

mosaic thump is a top tier de la album and prob the one i listen to most.

havent we heard their stuff was gonna go on streaming many times before?

It's been promised for a long time. Plus you may remember the time they sent out everything as low-bitrate mp3s.

there's frankly not much bad de la, period

otm

De La/Beasties are the only holder age groups I can think of whose individual members never made solo records

Plus you may remember the time they sent out everything as low-bitrate mp3s.

― Chris L, Tuesday, January 3, 2023 4:27 PM

yeah, i grabbed all of the downloads at the time.
just checked : they are all encoded at 320.

i listen to those on the regular, they're fine.

xxp Ahem...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOWcvoDrJuw

Also love "Much More". Great featured vocalist who didn't do a lot more. Listening to what I can find now.

i'm hoping they put *everything* on there because some of those 12" mixes and dubs are pretty damn classic-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBEqyTAHEyU

"what yo life can truly be" feat the whole damn native tongues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2B0hg6KUjE

"keepin the faith" (just a touch mix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCFuPeTqiA8

"millie pulled a pistol on santa (remix)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNKhM-iCkxc

"the dawn brings smoke"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUbk3FrMYfY

"who's skatin?"

COOKIE DEEMUSS!!

havent we heard their stuff was gonna go on streaming many times before?

― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Tuesday, January 3, 2023 11:23 AM bookmarkflaglink

It's coming in tandem with vinyl and cassette reissues that shops are already taking preorders for, so this feels 99.9% real.

yeah, i grabbed all of the downloads at the time.
just checked : they are all encoded at 320.

So I was the one who misremembered. It was the file names that made it obvious they pulled them from somewhere.

No ID3 tags.

cassette reissues

chucklesmhsigh

Yeah I'm sorry but I'd love to have these on tape :-D

honestly cassette was the format that most people heard all that era on, sometimes i listen to old stuff and it doesn't sound the same without that compressed cassette feel, makes way more sense here than most times

i think they are reissuing a cd as well from
looking at the get on down website

I remember that my cassette copy of De La Soul is Dead was a bit different from the CD version. Missing some songs I think.

My experience with these guys was odd, but probably not unique or even unusual. I absolutely loved the first two albums, then lost sight of them for years. When I finally got around to listening to some of their later stuff, I thought maybe it was a completely different group of people somehow operating under the same name.

makes sense, since they had died

See, I knew there was an explanation.

Are they reissuing Is Dead and Buhloone (and Stakes) on vinyl too? Because I have Is Dead and Buhloone but they're missing a bunch of tracks and would be up for unexpurgated versions.

Years ago on Sound Opinions, around the early '00s when it was still on WXRT, Jim DeRogatis reminisced about getting an advance copy (I *think* a cassette) of De La Soul Is Dead for review, and because there were major concerns of piracy, they threw in something like a braying donkey that would be randomly heard every now and then. He no longer had it but he said it actually added to the surreal nature of the album. (He brought this up because he wanted to talk about "Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa" for what was probably a Christmas-related show.

I've never been able to find any mention of this anywhere since then, much less an actual copy. Anyone know what DeRogatis was talking about?

kinda like Lee Scratch Perry's cow-moo toy!

i've never heard of that but def sounds like some prince paul chicanery.

and yes, early 90s cd propaganda=differing tracklist across formats. the cd is the full version of the album. the only "real" song that got cut was "my brother's a basehead", the rest of the cuts were jokey half-songs or interludes.

Damn, they picked a wrong one to cut.

Basehead is on my copy https://www.discogs.com/release/210087-De-La-Soul-De-La-Soul-Is-Dead.

My Buhloone (has a first name) is definitely missing a bunch of tracks, not least as it's 1LP.

I played the cassette to death so those extra songs on the CD always seem superfluous to me. I interviewed them once and Maseo told me the cassette followed the vinyl version tracklist, and the vinyl had fewer songs so they could fit without sounding worse. I too thought Basehead was on the tape but I'm struggling to find my tape or an accurate tracklist of it online (on discogs even). I know Johnny's Dead, Kicked out the house and Who Do You Worship were among the CD only tracks