Destroyer - Kaputt (2011)

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For those who've heard the latest Dan Bejar album, is it just me or is it kind of incredible?

altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 3 December 2010 23:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

where'd ya hear it? isn't it not out for a long time? I thought I lost the Destroyer love but it was revived by Bay of Pigs.

iago g., Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

For those who've heard the latest Dan Bejar album, is it just me or is it kind of incredible?

In complete agreement, but then I'm a Destroyer fanboy, so it was kinda predictable I'd feel this way. Although having said that, I was disappointed with "Trouble In Dreams" right from the off and never really went back to it, and that ambient single he put out a few weeks back didn't really float my boat. But this is awesome. I mentioned in the other thread how all the soft synths and horn swells and sub-disco drums and female backing vox remind me of those great 80s pop-rock bands like Prefab Sprout, but in the notes I was scribbling down yesterday I've actually written down phrases like "Lindstrom space disco" and "dubbed-out free jazz squall".

I thought I lost the Destroyer love but it was revived by Bay of Pigs

The whole album is very much along the same lines, and a truncated version of Bay Of Pigs is the closing track.

Moogle, Saturday, 4 December 2010 10:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

Leaked already!?

'Chinatown' makes me feel very optimistic about the record. Loved Rubies and mostly everything before it, didn't feel any connection with everything he has done aftwerwards.

Moka, Saturday, 4 December 2010 10:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

OTM with Prefab Sprout

To be fair he's only put out the two EPs and Trouble In Dreams since Rubies. By the by those EPs have the best cover art

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ksQG3-eM-4U/TNDnpjfNR0I/AAAAAAAAALc/IvRwUCXnhiU/s1600/Destroyer-Archer-On-The-Beach.jpg

PEAVEY Ó))) (Ówen P.), Saturday, 4 December 2010 10:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

Owen, the EP for Bay of Pigs has great cover art, too, no?

altered boners (rennavate), Sunday, 5 December 2010 08:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

And no, not leaked, press copy. And is an 11:18 version of a 13:38 song really "truncated"? More like "mildly squished."

altered boners (rennavate), Sunday, 5 December 2010 08:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

people really need to revisit Trouble in Dreams. i felt the same way until recently and now it's one of my favorites. the first 6 songs are some of his best imo.

Moreno, Sunday, 5 December 2010 15:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah I went back to Trouble after someone (j0hn d I think?) was defending it on the other Destroyer thread... strangely, it was actually the second half that got me to come around on it ("Plaza Trinidad", in particular, is beautiful, like an angry drunk jumping onstage during a broadway musical)

'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Sunday, 5 December 2010 15:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

Really? I still think Trouble in Dreams is ehhhhh. If you guys really recommend it, I'll revisit it soon.

altered boners (rennavate), Sunday, 5 December 2010 21:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

("Plaza Trinidad", in particular, is beautiful, like an angry drunk jumping onstage during a broadway musical)

― 'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:21 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

Plaza Trinidad, in fact, is one of the greatest songs ever written. Thank you! It's my favorite Destroyer song and I never tire of it.

Fruitless and Pansy Free (Dr. Joseph A. Ofalt), Sunday, 5 December 2010 21:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

becoming obsessed with "my favorite year" helped open the rest of the album up to me. beware the company you reside in!!

Moreno, Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Really? I still think Trouble in Dreams is ehhhhh. If you guys really recommend it, I'll revisit it soon.

― altered boners (rennavate), Sunday, December 5, 2010 4:12 PM (1 hour ago)

i don't think it's one of his best but imo fans of bejar should find plenty to like. "blue flower/blue flame" grabbed me immediately, but i like his stoned, meandering stuff like that

k3vin k., Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

i actually think it is one of his best now. top 3 imo. wouldn't have said that a couple months ago...

Moreno, Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like "My Favorite Year," but nothing else grabbed me about Trouble in Dreams.

altered boners (rennavate), Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

Kaputt is fantastic and I was pretty put off by Trouble in Dreams, though I haven't revisited it really since its release (my previous favorite was easily Your Blues). Steely Dan Bejar is a good look for him.

rope (lloydwabbitt), Monday, 6 December 2010 10:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

I have only heard Rubies + New Pornos. Where do I go next?

purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Monday, 6 December 2010 10:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

The other direction, as fast as you can!

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Monday, 6 December 2010 10:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

Or, you could try fan-favourite "Streethawk" or MIDI-heavy "Your Blues".

PEAVEY Ó))) (Ówen P.), Monday, 6 December 2010 11:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

ty

purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Monday, 6 December 2010 11:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

almost like he got andy mackay on this. loving the late era roxy music avalon vibes of "song for america"

kamerad, Friday, 10 December 2010 23:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

From the Merge press release...

"These are some of the themes alluded to or avoided in the album Kaputt and here are 22 things you might want to know about it. Straight from Dan Bejar himself, in absolutely no linear order.

Kaputt by Malaparte, which Bejar has never read… Kara Walker, specifically the lyrics she contributed to the song “Suicide Demo for Kara Walker”… Chinatown, the neighborhood bordering on Bejar’s… Baby blue eyes… 80s Miles Davis… 90s Gil Evans… Last Tango in Paris … Nic Bragg, who played lead guitar on every song, again… Fretless bass… The hopelessness of the future of music…The pointlessness of writing songs for today… V-Drums… The superiority of poetry and plays… And what’s to become of film? The Cocaine Addict… American Communism… Downtown, the neighborhood bordering on Bejar’s… The LinnDrum – Avalon and, more specifically, Boys and Girls… The devastated mind of JC/DC, who recorded, produced and mixed this record from fall of 2008 to spring of 2010… The back-up vocals of certain Roy Ayers and Long John Baldry tours… Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence…"

Iago Galdston, Friday, 10 December 2010 23:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

wtf does 90s Gil Evans mean

tylerw, Friday, 10 December 2010 23:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't know if everyone has already done this, or doesn't care to, but but I just made a playlist of all the Bejar songs from New Pornographers (incl those written with Carl) and it is really amazing...I am thinking put together they are better than any single Destroyer album. Is that kooky talk or possible?

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 11 December 2010 03:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

sorry for the double but

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 11 December 2010 03:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

they are very good songs yes. probably not "better than any single destroyer album" but pretty great. the ones on Electric Version especially -- Testament to Youth in Verse, so great

on the later NPs records they are about the only songs I liked tbh

dmr, Saturday, 11 December 2010 04:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

this album is in-sane

in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 December 2010 19:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

I honestly can't stop listening to it. I'm going to overplay it before Christmas at this rate. I think I'm already half there!

rihanna refurbished my dick (rennavate), Monday, 13 December 2010 21:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

really liking this so far

kanellos (gbx), Monday, 13 December 2010 22:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like it in a "Dan Bejar can do no wrong" kinda way but it's a pretty weird album. I'm not going nuts over it so far. But like I said on the other thread I'm more of a Streethawk/This Night/Rubies kinda guy with Your Blues ranking toward the bottom. People who think Your Blues is his best album will love this.

Track 3 is my favorite so far, the one that has that rubbery New Order / Bunnymen bass line and is a little more propulsive.

dmr, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

has anyone used 'yacht' as an adjective w/r/t this record yet

thomp, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

too morose to be yacht rock imo

it's ~smooth~ but in sort of a diff. way

dmr, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 17:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

i guess what i like is that its kinda yacht-y and balearic but still very much destroyer. like i just listened to some twin shadow track and it sounds slavish in comparison

kanellos (gbx), Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

I didn't love this on first listen, but it's growing on me. I guess I miss the more dense/feverish/epic songs (Your Blues being my fav album), not that the smoother/easier ones aren't nice, mind you. Bay of Pigs feels like the meeting point of the two, and I love it. Seems that this may be his last record for a while, judging from this: http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2010/12/catching-up-with-destroyer.html

Charlesburg, Friday, 17 December 2010 04:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also, I came across this, which is interesting: http://www.danielbejar.com/

Charlesburg, Friday, 17 December 2010 04:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

What's the source of the distorted guitar figure just after halfway through 'Savage Night at the Opera'?

thomp, Friday, 17 December 2010 14:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

yo i heard a rumor p4k is gonna give this joint a 10.

Mordy, Friday, 17 December 2010 14:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

What's the source of the distorted guitar figure just after halfway through 'Savage Night at the Opera'?

It sounds a lot like the main riff from "Enola Gay" by OMD.

yo i heard a rumor p4k is gonna give this joint a 10.

I just finished my review for Onethirtybpm and gave it 92%.

Moogle, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

i expect this to get pretty favorable reviews all around, tbh.

kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also, I came across this, which is interesting: http://www.danielbejar.com/

that's pretty funny

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/googleganger1.jpg

if nothing else this thread will result in some great display names (Edward III), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

don't think i've ever written this on ilx before but o_O

tylerw, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

It sounds a lot like the main riff from "Enola Gay" by OMD.

haha otm. knew i recognized that from somewhere

savage night at the opera is the best track by far imo

dmr, Saturday, 18 December 2010 16:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

yo i heard a rumor p4k is gonna give this joint a 10.

― Mordy, Friday, December 17, 2010 7:21 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

LOLZ don't start this again. There was the same rumor floating around about Rubies. But this is possibly better than Rubies...

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

Unless of course, it's an actual rumor.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol, obv I was making a poorly formed Rubies joek

Mordy, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

That's what I thought lolz.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

'too morose to be yacht' otm

The Macallan 18 Year, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

man i love this guy

k3vin k., Sunday, 19 December 2010 04:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

this is the first album in a really really long time that i've had on permanent repeat

doesn't mean it's perfect obv (even to me) but damn it's ear wormy

kanellos (gbx), Thursday, 23 December 2010 03:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

i won't and i never will

james fondleboy (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 December 2010 04:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

I WRITE POETRY FOR MYSELF I WRITE POETRY FOR MYSELF

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 23 December 2010 04:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

I heard a rumour that NME is going to give this 7 out of 10 or they're not going to review it at all.

i love it when a suggest ban comes together (cajunsunday), Thursday, 23 December 2010 12:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

I can't walk away, you can't walk away

Є|Э (Edward III), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

I heard your record, it's alright

Є|Э (Edward III), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

sound smash hits melody maker nme
all sounds like a dream to me

dmr, Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

fool child, you're never gonna make it
new york city just wants to see you naked
and they will

Є|Э (Edward III), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

can't wait 'til us norms can hear dis

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

in the meantime, guess ill just go listen to "Chinatown" for the hundred and thirty-first time...

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

although i got very little help finding this(!) from my ilm colleagues when i expressed this same plaint, bernard, if you type in the artist name and album title into google and look at what the search engine fills in, in terms of frequent searches, you can indeed download it with "fiery" alacrity. En-yoy!

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh huh, for some reason I thought it hadn't leaked yet

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

damn, title track is
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7476/amazingn.png

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

poor in love is v v pretty

dmr, Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

for me, typical destroyer album, great music but the voice and lyrics bug me to death

the distance between me and a sackful is gonna be like 0 inches (rip van wanko), Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Plaza Trinidad", in particular, is beautiful, like an angry drunk jumping onstage during a broadway musical

actually a pretty good description of Bejar's role in a New Pornographers concert

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

you're welcome, Bernard!

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

I won't and I never will
I won't and I never will
I won't and I never will
I won't and I never will
Blue eyes

lenonsense (Clay), Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

for me, typical destroyer album, great music but the voice and lyrics bug me to death

― the distance between me and a sackful is gonna be like 0 inches (rip van wanko), Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:31 AM (5 hours ago)

it may help to realize that you don't actually like destroyer

james fondleboy (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 December 2010 21:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol

J0rdan S., Thursday, 23 December 2010 21:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

FOUR MORE YEARS
FOUR MORE YEARS
FOUR HUNDRED MORE YEARS OF THIS SHIT
FUCK IT!

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 23 December 2010 22:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

he kinda repeats stuff a lot on this

kanellos (gbx), Thursday, 23 December 2010 22:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

also seeing those lyrics in caps and with an exclamation point makes it seem like they're from a completely different song.

kanellos (gbx), Thursday, 23 December 2010 22:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah he repeats a lot of stuff, but it works beautifully. That's like a running theme through the disc, tied into the the horns and trumpets always repeatedly showing up in tracks.

And yeah it should be more like: four more years, four more years, fourhundredmoreyearsofthisshitfuckit

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 23 December 2010 23:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

lots of drug references!

I am a man and I use the typewriter method (rip van wanko), Friday, 24 December 2010 00:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

This is pretty much an Al Stewart album. Not bad.

President Keyes, Friday, 24 December 2010 13:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this makes me want the disc asap (tho i'd be happy if bejar kept making homages to mid-70s david bowie, too).

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 December 2010 14:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

"This is pretty much an Al Stewart album. Not bad."

Someone here is "in the know", even though what they've said is both an overstatement and an under simplification.

chromecassettes, Friday, 24 December 2010 15:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEqUe8hbDTM

chromecassettes, Friday, 24 December 2010 16:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

dammit I thought i was over dan bejar! this took me a couple listens but: on board.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 24 December 2010 18:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

not going to listen to any of this until the records released, but i hope its awesome!

markers, Friday, 24 December 2010 18:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

if you (1) like destroyer and (2) liked "bay of pigs" you will like this album

k3vin k., Friday, 24 December 2010 20:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like but don't love. Listened on a long car trip last night. "Song for America" and in particular that "winter spring summer and fall / animals crawl towards death's embrace" repeated section had me rollin my eyes. Not so into Bay of Pigs either so the album kind of ends on a low note for me. Several of the tracks in the first two-thirds are pretty great though.

I can get with a lot of slick "unhip" music like this but .... there is some serious adult contempo cheese on here. Done totally professionally of course. Just not sure why exactly you'd want to do it.

he kinda repeats stuff a lot on this

seems like he kinda needs to since there's little structure and no choruses? wouldn't be much to latch onto otherwise

dmr, Saturday, 25 December 2010 01:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

there's little structure and no choruses?

this seems largely like destroyer's m.o., at least since rubies.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 25 December 2010 02:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like the repetition. seems very loose/spontaneous/natural. but I could see how it would be a turnoff for some people

on one of the songs (forgot which one — maybe the very beginning of "kara walker"?) I sorta imagined that he was rapping, which was lolsy

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Saturday, 25 December 2010 02:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

Not so into Bay of Pigs either so the album kind of ends on a low note for me. Several of the tracks in the first two-thirds are pretty great though.

agree. i also agree w/ the 'not-enough-guitar' comment somewhere up thread.

nerve_pylon, Saturday, 25 December 2010 04:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

nah

kanellos (gbx), Saturday, 25 December 2010 04:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also like but don't love, but this is after one listen (also in the car) and no lyric sheet

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 25 December 2010 06:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

destroyer ft. tim hecker - 'archer on the beach'

this is kinda awesome

pretentious: based on the album 'what happened?' by emeralds (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 08:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://vimeo.com/18442047

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

if that is truly the video for the song, BEST. EVUH!!!

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 6 January 2011 00:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

I finally got around to unzipping my copy today and was listening while surfing. Somehow ended up on a fancy, flashy website (with a "Music On/Off" button) for a fancy wedding photographer, and started hearing this sort of meandering, smooth jazz type of stuff...thinking it was drowning out "Kaputt," I went to shut down the photog's site, but the music continued...

Anyway, album is solid. The 2011 list begins...

alpine static, Thursday, 6 January 2011 00:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

smelly, tasty cheese on this one.

skip, Thursday, 6 January 2011 00:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

some wonderfully stinky cheese, camembert perhaps

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 6 January 2011 01:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

dunno if it was just me but one of the models i thought mila kunis and the old dude hemingway

heh (kelpolaris), Thursday, 6 January 2011 01:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

officially love this album. it feels like a more laid-back/organic "Your Blues". It also works so well as an album, it just flows along. I can't wait to listen to it in spring.

Charlesburg, Thursday, 6 January 2011 07:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

hey y'all

buzza, Thursday, 6 January 2011 07:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

Holy Shit that video!!!!

Charlesburg, Thursday, 6 January 2011 07:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

That video is maybe the closest depiction (in style, not actual subjects) to the vague images I saw in my head when I first listened to Your Blues.

Charlesburg, Thursday, 6 January 2011 07:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

cool charlesburg

buzza, Thursday, 6 January 2011 07:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

i listened to this 4 times in a row at work today

gr8080, Thursday, 6 January 2011 07:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

sarge are you on my level with this yet or what

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Saturday, 8 January 2011 05:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

album of 2011

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Saturday, 8 January 2011 05:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha, shit, i haven't listened to this yet actually

i'll download it now

J0rdan S., Saturday, 8 January 2011 05:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

dude

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Saturday, 8 January 2011 05:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

why arent u on aim fwiw

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Saturday, 8 January 2011 05:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

well tbh the whole smooth jazz thing made me kinda wary

J0rdan S., Saturday, 8 January 2011 05:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

dont be a pussy, jordan.

gr8080, Saturday, 8 January 2011 10:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

you can handle smooth jazz.

gr8080, Saturday, 8 January 2011 10:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

i DJ'd a kind of early set tonite from 8pm-10pm. lotsa people from the start but kind of a standing round art gallery vibe for the first hour.

i opened my set with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRSwdKclcpg

nb mixed right out of it into this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3iPZtJpFJA

gr8080, Saturday, 8 January 2011 10:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

does this come in instrumental?

jaxon, Saturday, 8 January 2011 17:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha

gr8080, Saturday, 8 January 2011 18:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

>:|

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Saturday, 8 January 2011 18:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

is vocals are not my favorite but i'm ok with them. love this album.

gr8080, Saturday, 8 January 2011 18:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

would love an instrumental of this.

mizzell, Saturday, 8 January 2011 18:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

J0rdan, it's like not just smooth jazz as much as jazz disco, Lindstrom style.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Saturday, 8 January 2011 20:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

thanking u

J0rdan S., Saturday, 8 January 2011 20:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

i need max on this thread

gr8080, Sunday, 9 January 2011 11:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

i need jaxon to actually listen to this and then post in this thread

gr8080, Sunday, 9 January 2011 11:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

probably need Lamp in here too

gr8080, Sunday, 9 January 2011 11:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think this is my favorite album in a few years

gr8080, Sunday, 9 January 2011 11:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

:D

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Sunday, 9 January 2011 14:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think this is my favorite album in a few years

― gr8080, Sunday, January 9, 2011 5:25 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark

ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, 9 January 2011 21:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

i've listened to this album probably 3 or 4 times in the past few days. that's actually saying a lot as i usually listen to mp3 downloads once or twice max before i delete from my phone. i love the music. sounds like so much stuff i love. studio or a mountain of one or the cure or roxy music or blue nile or, yes, prefab sprout, whom i'd never listened to before this thread, so thanking u for that. but i kinda think he sounds like an elf. and some of his phrasing is hella awk. that said, i keep listening to it. i listened to one song off his older album and pretty much hated it. mike simonetti posted on his FB something like, "when did all these indie rock bands learn about 'balearic'. get ready for a bunch of mid tempo schlock" or something and i commented that i wasn't sure if i loved or hated the new destroyer and now that status is no longer on his page. hmmmm.

jaxon, Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah the bejar vox are kind of an acquired taste (and maybe one more easily acquired thru listening to the rockier stuff?), but I think they're perfect for this album — phrasing is (sometimes) awkward on purpose, innit? like the part in "Suicide Demo for Kara Walker" starting ~6:00 where he motormouths unintelligibly through some stuff about "pressing fast-forward" and then lands on It's not you, it's nothing personal, no hard feelings, nothing's there, which is sung so casually that the hurt barely even registers (cf. I heard your record, it's alright on whatever track that is).

btw everyone who hears even a fragment of this album seems to instantly fall in love with it. convinced that Destroyer is Right For America in 2k11

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

sounds like so much stuff i love (like) a mountain of one

love you for loving them.

the act that bejar's recent discs (well, really rubies, i guess) most often reminds me of is 70s-era bowie.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

i love the "400 more years of this shit, fuck it" line

gr8080, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh man that just reminded me of another one: the transition from "I look up, I see the north star" to "I look up at the bar" — I have no idea how to render the subtleties of phrasing at play here but the whole moment is chill-giving

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

btw everyone who hears even a fragment of this album seems to instantly fall in love with it

yeah ditto

ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah my gf (whose taste in music is, uh, mainly p different from mine) heard some of this in the car the other day and was all "what is this it's amazing"

lenonsense (Clay), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

I wonder if it's because the smooth-jazz aesthetic was so thoroughly repudiated (after being so influential/high-profile for a while) that everyone kind of already has a place for an album that sounds like this in their heart? like it doesn't matter whether your reference point is Prefab Sprout or Bowie or Steely Dan; there's probably something you love that you can find reflected here.

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

Do I go see the "eight-piece Destroyer orchestra" or the Residents? Both are playing on the same night and I'm inclined to say Residents based on everything I've ever heard about Destroyer shows, but at the same time I do find myself liking Kaputt even more than I did when I first heard it. I'm inclined to say that it and Your Blues are my two favorites for sure at this point.

rope (lloydwabbitt), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp urgh I phrased that really poorly — basically what I'm suggesting is that lots of ppl like (at least some) music that sounds like this, but nobody is really willing to make it anymore

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

i feel like i saw this guy live once and thought it was p much total bollocks but the ref .s ppl r throwing around here are making me confused bc it was like a more annoying of montreal then

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

dude the whole thing with this record is that its a new sound. a lot of the ppl ive turned onto this were like " I really did not like his other stuff but man this"

ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

idk i dont really like challenging my preconceptions

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

ive never listened to prefab sprout before this thread either. maybe because they have the worst band name ever.

enjoying them so far, kind of hear the similarities.

gr8080, Monday, 10 January 2011 00:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol yeah, i had thought prefab sprout were like a totally diff band before i heard them

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

anyway jus lettin u know i will never listen to this album even tho i would prolly really like it

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

cool, thanks for posting

gr8080, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

for the record i think Destroyer is the best band name ever.

there's basically a spectrum of band names that looks like this:

PREFAB SPROUT <---------------------------------->DESTROYER

gr8080, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah this is really good, already my favorite of his records after Your Blues. which i guess is to say his thing works better without the usual trad-rock-sounding backing band

ciderpress, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

destroyer is a pretty good band name. surprised no one took it before bejar.

better than, say, "the beatles."

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 10 January 2011 01:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

i love prefab sprout and i also love this record...

tho i also wish there was an instrumental version. hopefully there will at least be some decent remixes

a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha. grady, love the band name spectrum. as much as i hate the name prefab sprout (also why i never listened to them until this thread), i kinda like why they named themselves it

According to the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles & Albums, the band was named after a phrase from the Nancy Sinatra and Lee Hazelwood song, "Jackson", misheard by frontman Paddy McAloon.[1] The correct opening lyrics for "Jackson" are "We got married in a fever, hotter than a pepper sprout";[3] which McAloon misinterpreted as 'hotter than a prefab sprout'.

jaxon, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hate stories behind band names like that, like its actually a pet peve

but "Jackson" is all-time. 2 of my best friends performed a ~*raucous*~ version of it at their own wedding reception.

gr8080, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

how could you mistake that lyric??

kate78, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

updated:

PREFAB SPROUT <--------------------METALLICA--------------------> DESTROYER

gr8080, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

I absolutely fuxx with this album.

Tim F, Monday, 10 January 2011 05:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

"poor in love" is my jam.

Tim F, Monday, 10 January 2011 05:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha what a surprise.

thread needs 'balearic' in the title to bring in some more posters

just sayin, Monday, 10 January 2011 08:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

I absolutely fuxx with this album.

― Tim F, Sunday, January 9, 2011 11:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 10 January 2011 08:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

too early to say for sure but i think my favorite is "blue eyes"

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 10 January 2011 11:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

really surprised that jaxon had never listened to prefab sprout b4

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 12:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol suicide demo for kara walker

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 13:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

apparently she wrote some of the lyrics for it? wld be curious to know which!

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 January 2011 13:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

also, re: "Blue Eyes" — took me a long time to warm up to it because it's maybe the cheeziest thing here* — but yeah, so fucking great! hooks upon hooks! "Oh baby, can't you see they had it in for me?"/"I won't, and I never will!"/BLUUUUUUEEEE EYES!!

I like how quickly it goes from sparsely pretty Bejar intro to full-blown disco anthem. and the chiming echoey U2 guitars that pop up in the background sometimes. and, well, everything about it.

*: and knows it! i.e. telling the press "don't be ashamed or disgusted with yourselves", which I interpret as a snarky attack on the idea of "guilty pleasures" which someone will inevitably invoke w/r/t this album at some point...

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 January 2011 13:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

Haha, I interpreted that line as being like someone walking up to you and saying, "you know, that pimple on your face really isn't that obvious."

Tim F, Monday, 10 January 2011 13:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

tim f I am disappointed in you, how could "a message in a bottle" ever become embroiled in such an encounter? it boggles the mind!

close-reading, ppl!!

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 January 2011 13:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

No, I mean I assumed he was sending them a message saying "don't be ashamed or disgusted with yourselves" in order to imply that they had reason to be.

Tim F, Monday, 10 January 2011 13:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

ah, sry, the metaphor threw me

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 January 2011 13:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

really love the way the female vocalist (over)enunciates the word "wrong" in the chorus of "Kara Walker"

(lol, as if it wasn't clear from this thread, I basically cannot put the album without listening to the whole thing — "Poor In Love" sounded great a second ago and now I'm into the title track again — pacing is A+ and uh no [obvious] weak points? or have i so thoroughly drunk the kool-aid on this one that I am incapable of objective evaluation?)

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 January 2011 13:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

When does this come out? I have no moneys but I feel like I need to buy this.

"jobs" (a hoy hoy), Monday, 10 January 2011 14:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

.rar

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 14:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

xpost beginning of february I think?

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 January 2011 14:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

dudes voice is hella irritating, i could prolly get over it but i would much rather here like a rasmus dub

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 14:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

curious why you find it so irritating — I mean yeah it's totally affected, but I think done with consummate craftsmanship and taste, and compliments the music well — plus he sings more-or-less intelligibly, which is nice because the lyrics are usually worth listening to

how do you feel about the backup vocals?

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 January 2011 14:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

(not that I wouldn't listen to an instrumental version of the album!)

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 January 2011 14:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

idk maybe its more that i just find the vocals kindof intrusive, i gen. have a high threshold for crap indie voices and i realise that this isnt partic. bad on that scale

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 14:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah, they're definitely prominent (altho maybe a little more in the background, compared to the last few albums?) — for me, it never quite reaches the point of 'pulling me out of' the music but i can where it might for someone else

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 January 2011 14:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

sara walker is currently top of my list if only for `moment' when it shifts from formless opening to groovy

ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 15:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah totally

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 10 January 2011 17:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

thinking about sbing anyone who talks bad about his voice from this point on

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 10 January 2011 17:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

what is the deal w/ this guys voice?

plax (ico), Monday, 10 January 2011 17:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

awesomeness is the deal iirc

"jobs" (a hoy hoy), Monday, 10 January 2011 17:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

destroyer's on some erudite glam shit

― champagne for my t-friends (Edward III), Tuesday, December 7, 2010 2:49 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

dmr, Monday, 10 January 2011 18:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

does anyone know about his band on this one? i mean since it's not released no official liner notes exist yet, but damn. either those are some badass hired hands or there could be a side project floating around somewhere or something

with this and the caribou album, merge records is making a weird turn towards the awesome

a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Monday, 10 January 2011 18:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

which is totally unexpected, but then again i stopped giving a shit about merge long ago so wtf do i kno

a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Monday, 10 January 2011 18:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

im not sure if this is as good as 'streethawk' or 'city of daughters' but its p fantastic

kinda feel like this is his 'i'm your man' record esp whats he doing w/ his voice. & the sax!!! just the lyricless ba-da-dum stuff on 'savage night at the opera' & the use of repetition (such a great mood piece) and how gentle it seems but then how vicious it gets as it goes!!!

⊚ ⓪ ㉧ ☉ ๏ ʘ ◉ ◎ ⓞ Ⓞ (Lamp), Monday, 10 January 2011 18:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

does anyone know about his band on this one?

don't know who it is but for the live show he's billed as traveling with an "eight-piece synth-jazz orchestra" (including the woman who does all the backing vocals)

dmr, Monday, 10 January 2011 18:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

i guess i should check out streethawk? i've got rubies and your blues and rubies was always tough to get into, and i only really gave your blues another try because of this album and appreciate it a lot more than i did before.

ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 19:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

streethawk is v much a different sound and aesthetic but its also a lot more naked and confrontational so i guess it depends on what in particular u like abt this record

⊚ ⓪ ㉧ ☉ ๏ ʘ ◉ ◎ ⓞ Ⓞ (Lamp), Monday, 10 January 2011 19:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

don't want to turn this into a streethawk thread (esp. since there's already a poll thread going rt now) but it's def. an awesome record and it's probably easier to "get" what he's doing vocally & lyrically in the context of his more glam / Bowie phase

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV75zugzPJc

i.e. I totally disagree with this from upthread but to each his own:

which i guess is to say his thing works better without the usual trad-rock-sounding backing band

dmr, Monday, 10 January 2011 19:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

I have a hard time getting into his rock ensemble stuff. his words are so precise and his delivery so idiosyncratic that sloppy indie moves make for a mushy listen (thinking more about the stuff from rubies or this night or trouble in dreams when he's trying to be neil young and less the bowie moves of streethawk). seems like midi-symphonies and highly syncopated pitter-patter throw his vocals into perfect relief. don't really get the complaints about his voice, if kaputt had some pretty vocals I prolly wouldn't even be listening tbh.

does anyone know about his band on this one?

the lead guitarist on kaputt is the same guy he's used for years. I remember around the time of rubies he was on this "destroyer is a band now" kick, not sure how many of the other players are the same tho.

i would just like to point out that i have been orange & teal itt (Edward III), Monday, 10 January 2011 19:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

btw all of america lives to light its pipe at night

i would just like to point out that i have been orange & teal itt (Edward III), Monday, 10 January 2011 19:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

streethawk's most like rubies in sound, with standard rock instrumentation. though it's played straighter than rubies, and there's less groove and less indie sloppiness all around iirc

ciderpress, Monday, 10 January 2011 19:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp more or less

Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, 10 January 2011 19:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

sooo damn good! jan 25 can't come soon enough!!

minecraft on a milk sea (diamonddave85), Monday, 10 January 2011 20:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

btw if anyone has a copy of 'bay of pigs' theyd sell me that would kick @$$

minecraft on a milk sea (diamonddave85), Monday, 10 January 2011 20:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

apparently she wrote some of the lyrics for it? wld be curious to know which!
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Monday, January 10, 2011

I think I read somewhere that he used quotations from an interview with her that he read in an art magazine. For those who don't know her work, she is an African-American artist who plays with racial stereotypes going back to the Civil War, and her medium are black "silhouette" cutouts

Iago Galdston, Monday, 10 January 2011 23:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Nic Bragg is the guitarist and Sibel Thrasher is the woman singing. Dunno about anyone else.

i love it when a suggest ban comes together (cajunsunday), Monday, 10 January 2011 23:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

See I don't like Bejar on Streethawk to be honest, I think he's better when he tempered his idiosyncrasies a bit and wasn't so all over the place, delivery-wise.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Monday, 10 January 2011 23:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

Chinatown is right up my street on some 79 MOR disco vibe like nicolette larson or summat - can't wait for the lp

out comes stanley, Monday, 10 January 2011 23:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah i'm gonna get this on vinyl for sure.

ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 23:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

can you imagine meeting a woman and hearing her say "My name is Sibel Thrasher and I sing in a band called Destroyer."

?!

gr8080, Monday, 10 January 2011 23:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

oops Thrasher should be italicized not Sibel

gr8080, Monday, 10 January 2011 23:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

AT THE PARK OR AT THE PIER
WATCHIN SHIPS DISAPPEAR
IN THE RAIN

The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 10 January 2011 23:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

rain in forecast this week thinking about taking a sick day field trip to the oakland docks

The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 10 January 2011 23:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'm not a "lyrics guy" but his words have always scanned so beautifully to me

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

you terrify the land, you are pestle and mortar
you're first love's new order, mother nature's sun
king of the everglades. population one.
i write poetry for myself
i write poetry for myself

you're a permanent figure of jacked up sorrow
i want you to love me
you send me a coffin of roses
i guess that's the way that things go these days

take pills, for instance
i heard they're no good for you
i won't and i never will
she said, "i won't and i never will"
blue eyes

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/features/interviews/7914-destroyer/

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

awesome interview. bejar rules

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 01:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

And I'm just a sucker for new-agey synth sounds and instrumentation.

love this guy

minecraft on a milk sea (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

I did most of the vocals while fixing myself a sandwich.

/!\ attn jordan s /!\

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

man this is an excellent, honest interview

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol i have listened to the entire album all the way through roughly 45 times in the last month

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 04:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

probably 25 times in the last week for me

gr8080, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 05:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

only got it this wkend, listened to it abt 5 so far (never usually do that)

just sayin, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 08:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

bejar total sandwich bro

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 January 2011 08:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

chinatown, suicide demo, & title track are all total awesomeness. kinda think bay of pigs sticks out too much, especially considering that it probably pushes it to double lp length.

mizzell, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 17:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

Strikes me as a ham on dark rye kinda guy

The Macallan 18 Year, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 18:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

chinatown, suicide demo, & title track are all total awesomeness. kinda think bay of pigs sticks out too much, especially considering that it probably pushes it to double lp length.

it does btw, at least according to amazon.

and yeah its a good song but I'm not sure I'm on board with the whole "its epic and amazing!!!!!" stuff I've read. it feels capstoney and w/e but other tracks are much stronger.

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

"bay of pigs" is certainly one of the best songs on this but i sometimes end this album after the second to last song - i've heard "bay of pigs" dozens of times and it was on my 2009 ballot. i don't like it any less tho

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

when he gets to the "It's got that swiiiiing..." line i always think of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgcpKOnutOc

gr8080, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah bay of pigs is like a nice extra. don't need to hear it every time, but it's an incredible piece of music regardless of context and takes nothing away from the album that precedes it.

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

and for some reason makes me want to reread Pynchon's V.

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah that's a great way of thinking of it. feels like a pixar short film---great, not necessary to enjoy the main event

xp

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha, pixar analogy totally otm!

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

xxxxxxp hahaha that might be my favorite thing t&e have done

minecraft on a milk sea (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

sounds, smash hits, melody maker, nme
all sound like a dream to me

minecraft on a milk sea (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

Winter spring summer and fall
Animals crawl
Towards deaths embrace

just typing this out and realizing it's a nice little play on the carol king song.

Moreno, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

Whereas I usually set up a mic to do the "real vocal take" and everything, I found that I could get the relaxed quality I wanted for this record while I was, like, lying down on the couch.

Pitchfork: Did you actually record some vocals lying down on the couch?

DB: Yeah, I did.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

I didn't think it was possible to love this man more.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

when i first wrote this song i had intended it to be a waltz, but the musicians i was playing at the time apparently were unable to play a waltz... and that's why this country will always be at war

flopson, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 22:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

That's a great quote!
I wonder what Soto and/or Matos would think of this record, especially if they haven't liked Destroyer in the past

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 00:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

So this is going to be huge.

slagterm, Friday, 14 January 2011 18:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

duh, it's awesome

bernard snowy, Friday, 14 January 2011 18:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

where else is this getting buzz aside from here? in the "we've heard it and it rules" sense, not the "this is comin out" sense

ullr saves (gbx), Friday, 14 January 2011 18:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

theres def other places

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 18:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

srry if that sounded snide. afaik sonically this is a v. accidentally trendy album

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 19:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

80s soft rock /quiet storm kinda feels like a thing right?

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 19:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

hipsters love sting

Lamp, Friday, 14 January 2011 19:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

It has become a thing and I wish it would go away. Aside from "Savage Night at the Opera" and "Poor In Love" I think this record is total dreck.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol rong, those are the two worst trax

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

they're also two of the shortest

bernard snowy, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

so like if you just don't like the album, those wld probably be among yr least disliked

bernard snowy, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

and they're two of the rockiest

basically what i'm saying is i think pgwp sux

bernard snowy, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

otm

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

if u want short rocky songs go listen to a guided by voices album or something, jeeze

bernard snowy, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

zing.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

gtfo

ullr saves (gbx), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

stfu

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

>--(O___O)--< )))\___\

ullr saves (gbx), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

It has become a thing and I wish it would go away. Aside from "Savage Night at the Opera" and "Poor In Love" I think this record is total dreck.

― scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, January 14, 2011 1:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I hope the P4k opinion is not this.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

honestly i kinda hope this gets like a middling 6.0 from pitchfork so we don't have to deal with all the associated nonsense. i'm pretty certain it'll break 9 tho and then again i do want this dude to get paid so

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

pgwp is not plagenhoff i dont think. i agree abt this being accidentally trendy but what other evidence besides last year's ariel pink record is there?

flopson, Friday, 14 January 2011 21:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha he can speak for himself but no he's not & i don't have any problem w/ pgwp & read his blog from time to time. think we were just ribbing

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't write for Pitchfork. pgwp stands for pretty goes with pretty.

I think that awful Gayngs record is another example of the trend - not coincidentally those are my three least favorite albums of the last few months! It's a trend that must be squelched.

xpost thanks k3vin.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ahh I thought you were Pl@genhoff. And yeah I have no problem with pgwp. Can't blame you about those two songs tho, "Poor in Love" is the most immediate, I think. The "Painter in Your Pocket" of Kaputt?

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

gayngs yes

flopson, Friday, 14 January 2011 21:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

i like gayngs & this. what dont u like about the aesthetic -- is it u dont like it in gen, or just this version of it?

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

How similar is the Gayngs record? I haven't gotten around to hearing it yet.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

they both have saxophones iirc

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

trenchcoat indie

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't like the aesthetic at all, whether it's done by indie dudes in 2010 or by Lite FM artists of the 80s, 90s, and Today (tm). Though I admit to being especially irritated by the sound's infiltration into indie rock in general.

It comes down to the instrumentation, the saxophone specifically. That smooth sax sound, and sax solos in general, almost always turns me off. I can handle the synths usually, and the terrible drum sound sometimes. But smooth sax kills every song its on, whether we're talking Destroyer or anyone else.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

smooth sax is like my number one favourite thing. if i was in a band there would be smooth sax solos in every song.

plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

Love the Gayngs record, so I should love this too.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

smoke weed, listen to sade imo

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

this is kindof precise and clear where the gayngs thing is woozy and hazy and lets smoke some weed man

plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

I will say that of the three albums (Destroyer, Gayngs, and Ariel Pink), Kaputt is the best of them. It contains all the things I usually like about Bejar, just mixed with awfulness. It feels like less of a cheeky joke - rather, just something Bejar wanted to do. I can respect that even if I don't like it. Gayngs and AP, to my ears, sound like they're just having a laugh by playing this kind of music, which only makes me hate them more.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

tbf gayngs do seem like major cunts

plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

don't see how this sound is a 2011 "trend", I was calling bejar postyacht back in 2006 yo

i would just like to point out that i have been orange & teal itt (Edward III), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Why does it have to be a "cheeky joke," though? Do saxophones have to be employed ironically? What I like about Kaputt is that the saxophones, and the guitars, the beats, is that they're actually good... the saxophone runs are just well, dope-sounding.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah if you watch the videos of gayngs live they do this totes gross winky "look at us in our white tux jackets" thing

plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

ariel pink seems really weird to lump in w/ this and hes been doing this shampoo commercial fuzz pop for like ten years or more right?

plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

I said Bejar specifically sounds like LESS of a cheeky joke, more earnest. Still hate the sound though.

Plax I'm not familiar with Ariel Pink beyond his most recent album.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

Right, didn't mean to suggest you stated otherwise. I'm just asking the question in general, really.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

idk i take a kinda quiet storm radio approach to all this which is 'does it sound aesthetically like other shit i like?' yes -> its dope, no -> its not

the songs are there, i dont detect a half-assedness, all three of these records sound great (gayngs most intermittently) ... i love how much (esp w/ the bass parts) that ariel pink sounds like steely dan

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

this isn't really r&b at all to me, way more like uh prefab sprout and shit like that tho

mekka lekka hi mega-hiney hoes (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think whats key w/ this & esp Pink (which is my fav of the three) is that the songs are there & the atmosphere doesnt feel as much like an affect ... its like w/ chromeo, where their first lp is wack to me for being this half-assed pastiche, but on the 2nd one they really brought it in the songwriting dept

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

this isn't really r&b at all to me, way more like uh prefab sprout and shit like that tho

― mekka lekka hi mega-hiney hoes (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 14, 2011 4:38 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark

but loggins n messina arent *technically* r&b either

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

quiet storm playlists are totally indiscriminant abt genre, pre-balearic-style

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

but then i have a longstanding <3 for this style ... my dad played avalon a lot, & sade has been one of my like top 5 dead or alive artists for years now

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

i like this album a lot actually but i guess i don't see *that* much of a comparison to gayngs

mekka lekka hi mega-hiney hoes (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

tbh i only like 3-4 songs off the gayngs lp but i really like them

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also I think this sound really sands some of the rough surfaces of Bejar's idiosyncrasies, too. As much as I love Destroyer, sometimes Streethawk Bejar is just too much to handle, and this retains all that's good about him with less abrasiveness.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

i never heard any destroyer stuff before this and i think it's great

mekka lekka hi mega-hiney hoes (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

same

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 14 January 2011 22:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV75zugzPJc&feature=player_embedded#!

This is what I mean by the above statement. It's a little much to swallow at times, for me. I'm a fan of the less-theatrical and autistic Bejar.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Friday, 14 January 2011 23:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah ren's otm though i totally wouldn't be surprised if a lot of ppl who are new to him & into this record found his vocal affect and way w/ words grating at first on his older stuff, because it's def toned down a bit here

nb i love this abt destroyer

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 January 2011 23:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

ok that song rennavate posted is pretty good too, more of a hunky-dory era bowie pastiche. reminds me of velvet goldmine.

does he have a particular schtick on each album?

mekka lekka hi mega-hiney hoes (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 January 2011 23:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, obvs that older style of singing/delivery wouldn't work on this smooth free-jazz disco shit.

And yeah, it's a good song, but there's only so much I can listen to it before I need a break ha.

Uhm yes and no. He's definitely the kind of artist that "grows" with each album, but it's not as like programmed as "this is my Bowie record," "this is my ____ record." I think it's taken him some time to grow into his own artist.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Friday, 14 January 2011 23:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

UMS — not exactly a 1:1 schtick:album ratio, but a couple of broad styles he moves between — the glam-rock style from Streethawk, reworked w/less transparent Bowie-biting, becomes sort of his 'default' setting up thru this album, but Your Blues was completely different and sounded a bit more like this one

bernard snowy, Friday, 14 January 2011 23:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

Your Blues is his MIDI record.

Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Friday, 14 January 2011 23:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

man this is so much better than the Gayngs record. Bejar's just so much more of a compelling presence on this album and in general. but i'm a lyrics guy so... he's easily top 5 rock lyricist working today.

Moreno, Saturday, 15 January 2011 00:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

the glam-rock style from Streethawk, reworked w/less transparent Bowie-biting, becomes sort of his 'default' setting up thru this album

as Ed III said upthread there's more of a slacker Neil Young vibe happening on This Night and Rubies ("Sick Priest Learns to Last Forever" starts off like something from Tonight's the Night)

but yeah Streethawk and everything before that (Thief, City of Daughters) are in that wordy glam indie rock style

dmr, Saturday, 15 January 2011 15:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

This Night has some Velvets-y moments too imo (like "Hey Snow White")

dmr, Saturday, 15 January 2011 15:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Quatrain etched on a turnstile
Just set the loop and then go wild

Moreno, Saturday, 15 January 2011 21:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

not exactly a review, just kinda riffing on this album:
http://givefascistshell.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/political-pseudo-review-for-destroyer-to-sing/

bernard snowy, Monday, 17 January 2011 19:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

That was a good post

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 17 January 2011 23:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

is the band all that different? i was hoping it was mostly the same -- i guess fisher rose's sax playing didn't really sound much like that, though

thomp, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

nope, pretty much all change. hum

AD: The last two records, Destroyer’s Rubies and Trouble in Dreams, had you working with a consistent lineup for one of the first times in your career as Destroyer. Is the same group on board this time and how has that stability worked on these records?

DB: Actually the only two records that involve a consistent line-up are Thief and Streethawk. Trouble In Dreams had a different drummer than Rubies, but sometimes a different drummer is like having a different singer. This was one of those cases. I see very few similarities between those two records, aside from maybe “Introducing Angels.” And maybe “Leopard of Honor” sounds a bit like “A Dangerous Woman Up To A Point,” if you were to look at those two songs stripped of their performances…though they mean completely different things (there’s the rub!). Nic Bragg is the only person from those records who plays on Kaputt (unless you’re talking about the vinyl version of Kaputt, in which case Ted Bois pretty much composed, performed and recorded the entirety of Side 3!). He also played lead guitar on This Night.

http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2011/01/17/destroyer-the-ad-interview/

thomp, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

I've really grown into this album. It totally gives me these decadent Gaucho vibes. I still think he's trying to sound like Al Stewart, much more than Bowie.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

gaucho and al steward flourises are building my excitement for this album.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

flourishes.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 18 January 2011 01:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://towerofsleep.tumblr.com/post/2817579667/interviewing-dan-bejar

the idea of Bejar singing along with Neil Tennant makes me a little bit giddy

Andre Gunder Frank 3000, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 02:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh my god, the great namechecks continue....I KNEW Sylvian and Isham were in the Kaputt mix!

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 02:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

off topic by "email interviews" should be banned

gr8080, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 02:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think a lot maybe most? interviews are done by email nowadays you'd be surprised maybe some of them are ones you have loved

flopson, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 02:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

No one’s mentioned Jamiroquoi, which is nice of them.
hahaha, wtf! I never heard any jamiroquoi beyond that one single — did the album actually sound like this?
(saw someone compare this to ween on facebook today, too... weird)

bernard snowy, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 03:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

off topic by "email interviews" should be banned

― gr8080, Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

why?

*gets the power* (deej), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 04:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

i mean surprise surprise no one is paying me $$ to pick up & fly across the country to interview unknown rappers like roach gigz but if u want to buy me a couple tixx i can stop in HI on the way back & watch yr dog lol

*gets the power* (deej), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 04:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

no one uses a phone anymore? i pay $120 a month for mine.

gr8080, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 04:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

i dont really see the advantage of a phone over email tbh. its not like the guys im talking to are getting censored by their agents or something afai can tell.

*gets the power* (deej), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 04:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

i see numerous disadvantages -- including some ive had to deal w/ that include tapes not recording properly, volume being too low, danger of mistranscription, the pain in the ass of transcription, etc

*gets the power* (deej), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 04:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

i guess you lose the element of 'natural conversation' to it. im sure interviewees love it for being able to allow for nuance etc

*gets the power* (deej), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 04:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

ban e-mail "interviews"

gr8080, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 04:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Kaputt is #7 on Entertainment Weekly's The Must List for next week

dmr, Saturday, 22 January 2011 03:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

shoulda been higher

bernard snowy, Saturday, 22 January 2011 07:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

I gave the album 5 stars in my review which will be published on Tuesday.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Saturday, 22 January 2011 08:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

I sent the "Kaputt" video to my jazzbo friend who likes almost zero new pop music and he said it was awesome. For some reason everyone gets this stuff.

skip, Saturday, 22 January 2011 16:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

played it for my jambro who likes phish and 'can't get into' indie rock b/c the musicianship is subpar or whatever... he seemed lukewarm

bernard snowy, Saturday, 22 January 2011 16:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

kind of a hard person to please tho — i thought for sure he would dig the dirty projies (not rly, altho he said the dude had "a good voice"), and akron/family before that

bernard snowy, Saturday, 22 January 2011 16:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

played it for the chick I'm seeing right now and she thought it was corny

ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

played it for the chick I'm seeing right now and she thought it was corny

― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:14 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

This might be the most usual response... but ohhhhh how wrong it is.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think its corny & i love it

flopson, Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

at some moments i feel like i'm listening to "the saturday night live band"

flopson, Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

~in a good way~

flopson, Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

played it for the chick I'm seeing right now and she thought it was corny

― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:14 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ha yeah i cant get the girl im seeing into anything that remotely codes as 'cheese'
i think this is maybe a thing about being that age. or am i being condescending lol

*gets the power* (deej), Sunday, 23 January 2011 00:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

last 2 girls in my car while this was playing made no remarks on it whatsoever.

is the world not ready for this album?

gr8080, Sunday, 23 January 2011 02:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

tbf the context of a gr8080 car ride i cant imagine this is a huge variation from what u are normally bumping??

*gets the power* (deej), Sunday, 23 January 2011 03:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

this album is a huge variation from ~everything~

gr8080, Sunday, 23 January 2011 04:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

last 2 girls in my car while this was playing made no remarks on it whatsoever.

not surprised. destroyer is a geeky -- albeit great -- act (almost wonkish with the insider-baseball lyrics about other musicians and the industry), and will always have limited appeal.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 January 2011 04:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

THAT'S NOT TO SAY P4K WON'T GIVE THIS DISC A 10.0, BECAUSE THAT'S THE RUMOR.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 January 2011 04:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

The vinyl has a 20 minute instrumental.

President Keyes, Sunday, 23 January 2011 13:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

^whoa

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 January 2011 16:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

indeed

ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, 23 January 2011 17:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

♪~♪ d(⌒o⌒)b♪~♪ランラン!!!

gonjasufjan (diamonddave85), Sunday, 23 January 2011 18:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

love this dude / this record but am already sick to death of hearing about this

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

so glad i dont read music blogs/sites anymore

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp get over yrself

bernard snowy, Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

plan for 2k11: fewer albums, slower hype-cycle, bigger audiences, keep it positive

bernard snowy, Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

so glad i dont read music blogs/sites anymore

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:35

^^^

markers, Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/15034-kaputt/

Iago Galdston, Monday, 24 January 2011 13:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

cover connections?

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/cb07630eac09cd4e75aa06c63325daa4/2971769.jpg

dmr, Monday, 24 January 2011 14:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

All the Waters of the Earth Turn to Bejar

the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 24 January 2011 14:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol overhyped pitchfork pet band "the body"

call all destroyer, Monday, 24 January 2011 14:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

girl gbx is seeing otm btw

call all destroyer, Monday, 24 January 2011 14:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol @ ilxor commenting on 'overhyped pfork bands'

*gets the power* (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 15:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

girl gbx is seeing otm btw

!!!

ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 24 January 2011 15:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

ggis

or

ggbxis

call all destroyer, Monday, 24 January 2011 15:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol @ ilxor commenting on 'overhyped pfork bands'

lol @ pfork writer who constantly overhypes various things even daring to touch this

the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

if this thread is bringing the lols we've hit a new low in comedy

in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

big talk for a dude who posted straight-ticket pfork opinions until two weeks ago

*gets the power* (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

ed iii hasnt seen an episode of miranda recently

supply 'n d-man (a hoy hoy), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

outta yr mind deej-o

how my taste has radically changed in the past two weeks, i've no idea

the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

well you did just discover jazz for example

*gets the power* (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

big talk for a dude who posted straight-ticket pfork opinions until two weeks ago

Just want to quote this for posterity, so we can remember it next time deej tries to claim he doesn't stir shit up with other posters.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

something pfork has yet to do, judging by its review archives, amirite?

the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

are you playing captain save an ilxor
there was a time when shitty posting like that would get the smackdowns it deserved

*gets the power* (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't see how ilxors stupid, harmless "zings" are any worse than your stupid, harmless "zings" deej.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

j. stalin: 7.9

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13944-prenuptial-agreement

charles mingus: 7.8

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13163-mingus-ah-um

so glad deej could help me see the light w/r/t which of these two albums is better

the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

i dont even know whats going on anymore but this new destroyer album sure is good

ciderpress, Monday, 24 January 2011 16:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

I am old fashioned and waiting to hear this when I can buy it tomorrow, but I'm encouraged by everything I've read about it.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

title track is already approaching my most played track on last.fm (since 2008)

ciderpress, Monday, 24 January 2011 16:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

im being a zing police, hes zinging wildly
needs some zing control imo

*gets the power* (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

needs some zing control imo

new board description

the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

okay i am going to leave the destroyer thread, this has been derailed BADLY

the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

no but seriously your posts are annoying

*gets the power* (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol at least ilxor has an opinion about something, I'd rather read that then see a dozen image posts that aren't funny at all

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

I am really looking to this album. I haven't always been a fan of Destroyer, but he is an interesting interpreter of other Artist's styles. It will be interesting to see if he can spearhead a critical re-appraisal of this much-maligned sound. If you can look past the production style Hall and Oates for example are exquisite songwriters! At the very least his distinctive sing style should cut through some of that production saccharine! Lets see if he is successful!

sub rosarie, Monday, 24 January 2011 16:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

whoops that cover I was trying to post was this

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9397/billfaybillfay197198514.jpg

dmr, Monday, 24 January 2011 16:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

tend to try & avoid actually acknowledging them because well yknow but i can't stand ilxor's posts either

flopson, Monday, 24 January 2011 16:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

no but seriously your posts are annoying

― *gets the power* (deej), Monday, January 24, 2011 10:31 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

feel kinda dickish putting it this way. sorry ilxor. u just need to chillax a bit

*gets the power* (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

i know i do

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

goddamnit stephen

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 24 January 2011 16:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

this is a thread about destroyer, please talk about destroyer, not me, thx

the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 24 January 2011 20:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

call all destroyer

challopian youtubes (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 20:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

how's that new year's resolution coming, deej?

gr8080, Monday, 24 January 2011 20:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hit the gym this morning!

challopian youtubes (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 20:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

jk i didnt make it on time ;_;

challopian youtubes (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 20:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

shaking yr fist at ilxor does not count as a gym workout iirc

the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 24 January 2011 20:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

um don't make fun of me but i did a review of this for a local website, it is an "ok" review but i'm not pro muzik critic

http://www.reviler.org/2011/01/06/destroyer-kaputt-four-takes-review/

dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 January 2011 20:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

steve ilxor is like jonathan if every music writer on this board is like some liz lemon/jack donaghy hybrid

grady stop trolling

fuck

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 24 January 2011 20:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

smelgs that's a nice review & hole ref

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 24 January 2011 21:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

still haven't heard this record. comes out tomorrow, right? <3 destroyer. he is the funniest man in rock, by far.

tylerw, Monday, 24 January 2011 21:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

thx k3vin and thanks for bringing back a favorite elementary nickname of mine :)

dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 January 2011 21:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

ill check yr review after work matt, just want 2 say i liked mark r's review in pfork today

challopian youtubes (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 21:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

I really am excited to hear this, but sort of worried that I may like the same indie rock record deej does. :/

I was relistening to Trouble In Dreams this afternoon and, while I still think it is his weakest full-length to date, I think it might be growing on me a little. I was just approaching it completely wrong, I think.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 January 2011 21:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

jeremy hovda is cute!

plax (ico), Monday, 24 January 2011 21:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

i thought trouble in dreams was great when it came out, but it's probably the weakest. at least i'm not drawn to listen to it as much as the others.

tylerw, Monday, 24 January 2011 21:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

I guess I should clarify that I meant weakest post-Thief. I love everything since then, but I have a hard time diving into the stuff prior.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 January 2011 21:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

In it’s own way, it’s as aggressive in its aesthetic as any noise record

I like this, m@tt

ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 24 January 2011 21:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

grady stop trolling

i'm deej-policing, way diff from trolling

gr8080, Monday, 24 January 2011 21:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

house of mirrors shit

challopian youtubes (deej), Monday, 24 January 2011 21:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

thx k3vin and thanks for bringing back a favorite elementary nickname of mine :)

― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, January 24, 2011 4:03 PM (29 minutes ago)

haha we talked about this i think - i was smells so it's all good

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 24 January 2011 21:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

this sounds like Pet Shop Boys. I'm not surprised to see so much ILX luv

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Monday, 24 January 2011 21:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol which pet shop boys song?

just sayin, Monday, 24 January 2011 21:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

every Pet Shop Boys song basically. just take their electro backdrop and make it less upbeat and bumpin'. then add a pinch more variety in the form of smooth-jazz or whatever and there you go

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Monday, 24 January 2011 23:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

if my uncle ellis had a vagina he'd be my aunt elanor rigby

gr8080, Monday, 24 January 2011 23:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

doesn't mark post here...? the pfork review made me curious to hear this (even tho I haven't cared about anything this guy has been involved with since Mass Romantic) but then I was kina put off by the weird Death of a Ladies' Man tangent, especially since I disagree with his interpretation of that album (and its cover)

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 00:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

It doesn't sound at all like the Pet Shop Boys -- it comes closest to a couple of David Sylvian's early and mid eighties solo tracks, especially in their use of space and trumpet.

I have detested Bejar for years, and "Bay of Pigs" drove me out of the room, but he has never boasted so many attractive aural surfaces.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 00:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

...but he has never boasted so many attractive aural floral surfaces.

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 01:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

That's the gayest sentence I've ever read.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 01:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

I was kina put off by the weird Death of a Ladies' Man tangent, especially since I disagree with his interpretation of that album (and its cover)

so true, where did that come from?

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 01:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/25/arts/music/25choice.html?_r=1&ref=arts

This guy's writing makes my hair hurt

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 01:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

its pretty goofy to me how self-conscious of the 'cheesiness' some of this writing is. lots of readers -- esp of like the ny times -- might not find it cheesy at all (its not like my dad thinks 'avalon' is cheesy). i mean, its a different move for indie rock i guess, but if u listen to more than just indie rock, its like telling ppl sade is worth listening to ... only if yr writing to a specific swath of ppl is that really a shocking development

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

iago galdston, i feel like maybe you should get a haircut? for the sake of your own head?

wee-based god (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

lots of us don't find Sade, Gaucho, and Avalon cheesy either. That's been my problem with the PFM and NYT reviews. It's funny: if you're under thirty, you have far less of a problem identifying the records I've mentioned as legitimate influences than if you grew up in a certain kind of eighties and nineties indie climate.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

Taking into consideration my loathing for this man's voice for more than ten years, it's remarkable that I'm listening to it as much as I have been today; it's like the most indie of indie voices finally took seriously my request to listen to more Boz Scaggs.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

and it's def better than Ariel fucking Pink

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

This guy put out a MIDI record before, it's not like he's averse to potentially cheesy sonic signifiers.

Number None, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

but now he's learned to sing with them

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

The only song I think is a total bomb is "Bay of Pigs."

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

good point Alfred. That stuff is part of our generation's discovery of the past and it lacks the vaguely dirty memories and "cheese" associations. My mom heard me playing Badfinger on some recent Christmas trip home and laughed out loud about how I was listening to "bubblegum". I guess, but it's not as if being played alongside now-obscure AM radio dreck in the '70s has any relevance to my "Baby Blue" listening experience, though it certainly does for her.

skip, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like Mark Richardson very much but his review had a are-you-for-real poking-finger-into-cheek tone that was bizarre for a guy who I know loves a lot of the music I've mentioned.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

Re: all the talk of critical reception: I'd be fascinated to what The Singles Jukebox make of this. d

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

Shoo, stray 'd'!

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

the d denotes your excitement

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

And a definitely think the 'smooth music' textures are being deployed lovingly and somewhat 'authentically', rather than the lol80s cheeky irony that Pink or the chillwave crew might have.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

i dont get 'cheeky irony' from pink & i thought chill wave was supposed to be seeped in nostalgia not irony

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

its ok we all get confused abt the reasons we're not supposed to like music sometimes

flopson, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hmm the point is maybe that the Destroyer record actually has the production value and budget to replicate the 'smooth music' style, and thus it comes off as less of an approximation or self-conscious affect.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

i dont get 'cheeky irony' from pink

deej otm

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

I get "inept" from Ariel Pink.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

Like Pink is gleefully aware that he's sneaking these subversive little stories under the coiffured synths...Bejar just sounds regal, he owns it like Fagen or L. Cohen.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

the ny times thing talk al stewart "year of the cat" as ref point and that definitely hits it for me, though it never occured to me until i read it

dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

He doesn’t seem to be pointing at any of this music out of love or fashion, or at least he doesn’t want us to think so. He seems to be pulling different strands together to make a nice dressing for poems that suggest a comfortable blankness of spirit.

WAHT

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

tomorrow i am going to go to the record store, buy "destroyer - kaputt", make some burritos, smoke a joint, and listen to this record while eating burritos

flopson, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

^^^like this plan

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

"smoke weed listen to destroyer"

Tim F, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

I should add, though, that I actually *prefer* Pink's rambling, faux-incompetent songwriting style to Bejar's. Although the latter inhabits the textures in a smoother sense, he cannot nearly level up to the melodic gifts Ferry or Fagen bring to this sound palette.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

ie it just betrays how hollow his songwriting is when presented in such a vivid setting.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

i like both of them -- destroyer is avalon & pink was more steely dan

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

love this record but invoking Fagan??...."destroyer your arms are too short to box w.god"

dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

kinda jealous of flopson's upcoming day

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

wait, destroyer's songwriting is hollow?

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

sorry, I don't get that Pink-Dan resemblance at all. I'll grant Pink his chord and tempo changes, but the rest is closer to a nineties ideal of a fungible singer-songwriter one-man-band record.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

pink is closer to guided by voices than steely dan

dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like "Round and Round" but I don't hear what's SD-ish about it -- it sounds like mildly interesting bedsit melancholy to me. Steely Dan had a lot more going on.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

pink is closer to guided by voices than steely dan

YES

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Okay ah I was comparing Kaputt to the production on SD and Roxy, rather than Pink. It was a poorly formed sentence.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

i dont listen to guided by voices -- the production vibe, bass parts & unconventional compositions remind me of steely dan. i certainly dont think ariel pink's career is at that level but 'before to day' is similar in approach imo

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

i like both of them -- destroyer is avalon

to me, bejar is the new bowie.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

sans makeup and fake stage-character.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

im just talking abt how these two records sound -- is there a bowie record that sounds as much like this as avalon does?

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

no. you're right. i'm thinking more rubies-era destroyer.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

How does Bejar sound like Bowie?

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah the Bowie comparisons seem further off than anything..apart from this faint dusting of 'glam'.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

In the pre-Kaputt stuff, that is.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

maybe cuz Bejar sounds "odd" and "British"

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

pink is closer to guided by voices than steely dan

I don't get that at all. The production on Before Today is a little murky or hazy, but the songwriting and instrumentation is nothing like GBV.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

no. it's the shambling, loose song structures and tumbling-downhill drumming, mostly (reminds me of bowie's berlin period).

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

The muffled, half-formed ideas and hints of melody that maybe cohere into something attractive definitely remind me of GBV; and there's moments when Pink's voice evokes "Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory" levels of emotion.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

also, and i have to go back to rubies to jog my memory, but i think it's also the way the guitars are arranged into the songs. not way out front, but sort of bobbing up and down like a snake.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

I kinda see although I would characterise those the two elements you mentioned with Man Who Sold the World and Hunky Dory, rather than the Kraftwerkian glimmer and sheen of the Berlin-stuff.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha i kinda love the way alfred frames everything in such pejorative terms that simply by accepting his framing you cede ground to him

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

"actually i think the half-formed ideas work to ... wait a minute."

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm 1000x more likely to compare vocals (hence the Destroyer/Pet Shop Boys comparison) than lyrics. Voice is 1000x more important than lyrics

but Pink/GBV are you for real? what's wrong with you?

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

i agree w/alfred and fucking love guided by voices

dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp scratch the 'the' between those and two eek. Some weak prose mistakes tonight...

'Voice is 1000x more important than lyrics' is the wrongest thing said tonight...the enunciation and sounds of the words tell as much of the story as the timbre.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

levels of emotional power in vocals is a good comparison? shoot metallica is like GBV sometimes. retarded

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol deej

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

'Voice is 1000x more important than lyrics' is the wrongest thing said tonight...the enunciation and sounds of the words tell as much of the story as the timbre.

First part in quotation marks = right on. Then the second sentence contradicts the preceding phrase.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp scratch the 'the' between those and two eek. Some weak prose mistakes tonight...

'Voice is 1000x more important than lyrics' is the wrongest thing said tonight...the enunciation and sounds of the words tell as much of the story as the timbre.

― Davek (davek_00)

enunciation and sounds are vox not lyrics

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

i've been mildly surprised at the idea of 'cheesiness' or 'irony' as issues with this stuff, though i can see why it might be for some. can't figure out much about how age might play into that, either. (i mean, i suppose you could say i'm of the age where these sounds are like magical preconscious memories of what was on the radio when i was an infant, or something, but i'm not having any strong reaction to them like that.) it's not a sound that's limited to the distant past, eithe -- i liked late-90s Aluminum Group albums that sounded like this, and that last Scritti Politti album had some similarities with this, etc...

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp I don't see that as a flat-out contradiction....the lyrics, the words themselves transmitted have this autonomous effect on the voice. You're responding to the aural patterns of the lyrics even if you're not registering their meaning semantically. Does that make more sense? I get your train of thought though..

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

My review mentions Scritti Politti, nabisco: that sense of a singer reciting a monologue with himself whose soundtrack comprises Toto, Scaggs, and Sylvian. Also: what's that one track which specifically namedrops magazines?

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

What I love about Green Gartside is how he tosses a lifeline between himself and his listeners yet he's ready to yank it back.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

I suppose you're right, but I'm certain there is this half-life that exists where the words placate the sound/vox. What can I say ILM, I come here to learn!

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha i kinda love the way alfred frames everything in such pejorative terms that simply by accepting his framing you cede ground to him

"everything"

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

EVERYTHING

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha i like that u dispute quantity, but not the main idea of that post

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha well of course -- I have a paradigm to uphold

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha i like that u dispute quantity, but not the main idea of that post

― challopian youtubes (deej), Monday, January 24, 2011 10:31 PM (4 minutes ago)

ha you kinda turned the tables on him tho..."come on, everyth...wait"

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

Dalek,

Certain words enhance the vox. I do understand what you are saying. Certain words or sentences can easily ruin a song as well. But lyrics do not influence whether or not I choose to like a song in any other way. Good lyrics do improve a tune that I already like though. I don't care for the vox on Kaputt so there's no room for improvement if I knew the lyrics.

------------

I did not mean to have this many posts to this thread. Sorry yall if it looks like I'm trying to troll here. I just wanted to post one or two cents about this album, see if people agree/disagree, and then bolt.

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

i liked late-90s Aluminum Group albums that sounded like this

Bless you.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

I think the "its songs carefully planned in gesture but meager in structure and development" line from the NYT review really undersells this album. the almost-aleatoric progression of its songs is one of its strengths imo

Dan S, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

can i just

Every era has a sound. When considering this, it can be easy to forget that the sound developed as a way to express something.

Mordy, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 04:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

welcome back, nabisco!!!!

ps- you are needed on the Hyundai car commercial thread

gr8080, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 04:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Seriously did not realize that all these years I was the ONLY ONE who had a violent aversion to the sounds Bejar is referencing on this record. I can appreciate him as a lyricist and a songwriter, and can see that there's something to sink your teeth into on this record, but it is dressed in such a way that I just can't stomach it.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 05:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

The fact that I'm still subscribed to this thread is pure masochism.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 05:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

Aside from all the signifiers of the 'shiny veneer', the "what does it all mean?" Qs and so forth,
This is a really well performed pop record, like, "Good sax playing!"

ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 05:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

Owen P.: truth. The outro on Kara Walker, oh my.

shudder, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 05:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

ariel pink reffing steely dan seems a completely weird observation to me. maybe 10cc, the hollies, blue nile, chicago, bread, the carpenters.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 12:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/music-review/destroyer-kaputt great review at tinymixtapes for this album. i wonder what reception this will get in the uk press, or if it will be ignored again?

i love it when a suggest ban comes together (cajunsunday), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 13:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

just queued this up on my ipod.

Moonlight Graham (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 14:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

haven't listened to this in a few days.

gr8080, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 14:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

I've been waiting for the vinyl.

btw dum q but how do you pronounce bejar's last name

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 14:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

um this is pretty fucking awesome. i love the cheesy tone to it, im a sucker for yacht rock.

Moonlight Graham (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 14:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

I always found Ariel Pink sounded more like Hall and Oates than Steely Dan.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 14:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hall and Oates harmonizing in a burlap sack.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 14:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

btw dum q but how do you pronounce bejar's last name

i would guess "bay-har" but i'm just guessing

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 14:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

THIS ALBUM IS NOT "CHEESY"
THIS ALBUM IS NOT "CHEESY"
THIS ALBUM IS NOT "CHEESY"
THIS ALBUM IS NOT "CHEESY"
THIS ALBUM IS NOT "CHEESY"
THIS ALBUM IS NOT "CHEESY"
THIS ALBUM IS NOT "CHEESY"

gr8080, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yachty

Moonlight Graham (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

no it's "corny"

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

anyway i have taken it as a challenge to get this girl to dig this, but I feel like time and tide conspire against me

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

i wonder how this would go over at the bar im working at on saturday night...hahah.

Moonlight Graham (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

I think the secret is to be unapologetic.

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

also n/a that's what I was thinkin too

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

yup, thats usually how i am anyways. you don't like what im playing, get the fuck out.

Moonlight Graham (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

gbx I won't c&p from 77, but best to heed estela's advice re: lectures being ineffectual etc

gr8080, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

ariel pink reffing steely dan seems a completely weird observation to me. maybe 10cc, the hollies, blue nile, chicago, bread, the carpenters.

― plax (ico), Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:38 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

'completely weird'?? im not talking about 'reffing' im talking about just the feel of the production & compositional style, idk, it hits the same spot for me as a listener, & the production sound is 'black cow'-esque

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

gbx I won't c&p from 77, but best to heed estela's advice re: lectures being ineffectual etc

true true.

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

im getting kinda tired of the fact that all these reviews ONLY talk about production and cultural touchstones rather than, say, the music?

bejar seemed to anticipate this tho:

"Kaputt by Malaparte, which Bejar has never read… Kara Walker, specifically the lyrics she contributed to the song 'Suicide Demo for Kara Walker'… Chinatown, the neighborhood bordering on Bejar's… Baby blue eyes… 80s Miles Davis… 90s Gil Evans… Last Tango in Paris… Nic Bragg, who played lead guitar on every song, again… Fretless bass… The hopelessness of the future of music… The pointlessness of writing songs for today… V-Drums… The superiority of poetry and plays… And what's to become of film?… The Cocaine Addict… American Communism… Downtown, the neighborhood bordering on Bejar's… The LinnDrum… Avalon and, more specifically, Boys and Girls… The devastated mind of JC/DC, who recorded, produced and mixed this record from fall of 2008 to spring of 2010… The back-up vocals of certain Roy Ayers and Long John Baldry tours… Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence…"

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 15:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

im confused about how u are differentiating the production & cultural touchstones from the music

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

melody, hooks, lyrics, etc. the "songs" as it were

i mean i know it can be argued that there's nothing new under the sun and everything is a reference to something in the past, but come on

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

theres more to this record than that

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

haaa, not that people on this thread need me to say this, but this record is amazing

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

I, too, publicly endorse this record.

Moka, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

but I know I could never play it to my real friends.

Moka, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

tell them you got the new Toto record.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

im on my second listen now, im loving it.

Beardie you disappoint me (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

Come to think of it, the more you listen to the Drake, the more the pacing starts to make sense...it's meant to be kind of startling in its subtlety.

No feeling Antebellum at all.

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

meant for tracks list, sorry folks (could a mod delete it?)

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

just put on the vinyl~~~~

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Now all you need is a doobie..

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah i really want to listen to this louder but since im in my office i cant.

Beardie you disappoint me (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

basically want "suicide demo" to be twice as long (and it's already 8 minutes!)

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh man sounds so much better than the 160kbps mp3s i had

~swoon~

xp REAL TALK

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

there is nothing "corny" about this record. the only people in the world who would even think about the cheesy musical references or whatever basically post in this thread

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

really?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

ppl that got the vinyl tell me about the 20 minute intrumental!

smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

haven't gotten there yet! just got back from the electric baby

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

there is nothing "corny" about this record. the only people in the world who would even think about the cheesy musical references or whatever basically post in this thread

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:59 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark

dude i love this shit and the jazzy flute licks on demo for sara walker would beg to differ

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah i mean it totally codes as 'corny' for some ppl ... i just think its lame for ny times reviewers to take that tack, as those are the values of a certain niche of fans but certainly not the broad spectrum of people

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

well that's the thing, is that the only person so far that's called it corny is a lol college student who probably has no idea who or what these references are, just that they're the stuff that crops up on dadrock radio. so it's not niche music nerds who are acknowledging the corniness, imo, it's exactly the opposite? like i'm sure my sister would think this was cheesy as all hell because she'd hear the smooth saxophone and immediately go "kenny g, barf"

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

right yeah but otoh my dad likes it

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

i mean, i guess that music nerd niche is a really broad one -- young ppl w/ hip taste but not like music nerds per se

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

attn: there's some eno warm jets type shit going on in the instrumental right now

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure that a guy who did an album entirely using MIDI instrumentation is pretty comfortable intentionally exploring notions of cheesiness and corniness.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'm listening to destroyer for the very first time right now. really nice, although dude's voice is the part i like the least. definitely makes me think indie steely dan...anyone know who's on sax?

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

this is sort of a cross-point w/ my post about gayngs on the countdown thread but i basically agree w/ gbx, im just trying to say that there are lots of people outside of music nerds who wouldnt think of this LP as being 'bad-cheesy'

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

n/a: yup, which is why i think m@tt was otm w/this:

In it’s own way, it’s as aggressive in its aesthetic as any noise record

the vaseline-on-lens sound (if that makes sense) seems almost purposefully uncool/challenging, at least superficially.

deej: totally agree with that, fwiw. i just think it's a little myopic to assume (not that yr doing this!) that this will have universal appeal. you kinda have to be willing to wade into the cheese. maybe not if yr an older dude/dad who has always loved this stuff, and not if yr a nerd who has investigated lots of different genres/eras, but i think for younger indie types everything about this record is just flat-out rong and whack.

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

yah i mean i think it made sense for mark r to address it for pfork, but i thought it was a lil presumptive in the ny times

challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 19:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

need gbx to liveblog the instrumental tbh

in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 19:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

done with it already, circling back to the beginning tbh

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 19:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

I, too, publicly endorse this record.

― Moka, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:46 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

but I know I could never play it to my real friends.

― Moka, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:46 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

I sent a message in a bottle to the press.
It said: "don’t be ashamed or disgusted with yourselves."
I’ve thumbed through the books on your shelves.

gr8080, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

I’ve thumbed through the books on your shelves.

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

she'd hear the smooth saxophone and immediately go "kenny g, barf"

hell that's pretty much my reaction to the sax and I like the record. and post regularly on balearic threads. I don't think it's a stretch to say parts of this code as cheesy. anyway I guess no one's arguing that anymore. :)

dmr, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

so how is the ambient piece? I'm kind of disappointed that Bay of Pigs won't be making it onto the vinyl

Dan S, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

^ really? i think that's great news--i don't like Bay of Pigs.

nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's got that swiiiiiiiing

gr8080, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh wait, Bay of Pigs is side 4 of the vinyl.

nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

interesting
discogs has it as "Bay of Pigs (Detail)".
the pitchfork review mentions that an ambient piece was substituted for BoP on the vinyl

Dan S, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh great, i shelled out for the vinyl just for the side 4 vinyl only track which turns out to be Bay of Pigs...

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

um

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

isn't the instrumental piece vinyl-only, too?

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

just listened to some clips... can't say I'm really drawn to it. as pastiche it seems a bit too straight/faithful to its sources and the one thing that sticks out as unusual/out of place is 9as noted by others) his voice. which is terrible.

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

This is not pastiche.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

yr right, pastiche implies disparate elements - this is more like an homage I guess

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

dunno if I'm gonna make it through all the songs tbh kinda wanna turn it off already and just listen to Katy Lied instead

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Listen to "Downtown."

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

the sleeve is great, I'll give him that.

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

this doesnt sound close enough to 'katy lied' (or anything else really) to be 'pastiche' ... its using certain instruments & production styles but doesnt sound structurally like the stuff ppl are comparing it to, like, at all

challopian youtubes (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

certainly way too freeform to be steely dan esque

challopian youtubes (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

that's kinda what I don't like about it! Steely Dan had HOOKS and (at least up until Aja/Gaucho) some pretty weird/twisty song structures. this stuff just kinda floats along on two-chord changes and a lot of washed out textures - trying hard to be Babylon Sisters but lacking the chops

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

i dont know babylon sisters but uhhh being freeform is the point, its not 'about' hooks

challopian youtubes (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

dude I am agreeing with you

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

re: Babylon Sisters - this is the opening track on Gaucho, the Dan's last album. it is noteworthy - sorta - for signalling a shift away from the complex structures and chordal interplay that were the band's usual stock in trade and toward a more free-form, groove-centered approach. even so, it has more changes/tonal shadings than this Destroyer stuff. even tho the underlying chord structure is simple, there are a whole bunch of melodies and weird harmonies and turnarounds in it. which don't really seem to be evident in Kaputt afaict.

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

so maybe it's a bad comparison

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

It only signaled what SD would do on that song! Have you heard Gaucho? The tile track, "Time Out of Mind," "Third World Man," "Hey Nineteen" -- lots of complex chordal interplay, and TIGHT.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp to shakes

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

oops, sorry, there is a vinyl-only track.

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

eh, whatever. imho Kaputt cops the sound and the texture of late period Steely Dan, but doesn't bother with the song structures and hooks and uber-session musician chops. which is, I think, what deej was saying.

xp

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

It only signaled what SD would do on that song! Have you heard Gaucho? The tile track, "Time Out of Mind," "Third World Man," "Hey Nineteen" -- lots of complex chordal interplay, and TIGHT.

this is all correct. sorry if I implied otherwise that wasn't really my intention. I just ref'd Babylon Sisters cuz it seemed most analogous to what Kaputt is going for, except even Babylon Sisters has more going on in it than most of these Kaputt songs do.

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

or is it more that you just take issue with my casual summation that late period Dan is more free-form/groove-centered than their earlier stuff...? I guess that's arguable (Do It Again has what, three chords?).

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well, everything you've said really: about Steely Dan, their applicability to what Bejar's attempting, and Kaputt itself. I'm not going to offer a full review yet, but I hear very little Steely Dan here: it's closer to what a lot of Bejar's English faves from eighties, inspired by the Dan, attempted.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

*from the eighties

English faves: Scritti Politti, China Crisis (produced by Walter Becker, of course), Prefab Sprout.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's really weird how you guys feel the need to compare/contrast this with steely dan so much

gr8080, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah, stop that before you ruin it for me.

kate78, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Complex" chords = "Steely Dan" for lots of people I know. It's not like they were the only band to play them.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

shakey at least listen to the record first

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

Shakey it's not about the number of chords it's about the tertial harmonies

ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also, blehhhhhhh

ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol those sound nothing alike

challopian youtubes (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

avalon is the closest touchpoint for me still although it doesnt sound like a 'pastiche' of avalon as much as a 'similiar production style'

challopian youtubes (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

you gotta shake it baby

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

I LOVE THIS ALBUM.

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

how is it a touchpoint? Genuinely curious -- no snark.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

'similar production style'

challopian youtubes (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

b/c Ferry was more direct vocally and chordally on Avalon than he ever was and would be again.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

& instrumentation, & the general svelte aesthetic

challopian youtubes (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol those sound nothing alike

that's my point now can we move on

gr8080, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Man, if only Bejar had asked Ferry to play synths on Kaputt...

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

that's kinda what I don't like about it! Steely Dan had HOOKS

this album has mad hooks, sometimes more than one in a song!

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 02:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

OMGZ the LinnDrum on side 3!!

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 02:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

so i picked up a shift last night at my bar on "college tuesday"...put this on and got surprising reactions. Lots of "who's this?" and to top it off Song for America actually had people dancing and sexy girl dancing. Although there were a few odd looks during the whole animals...deaths embrace thing. Meanwhile I was doing lots of pelvic thrusts behind the bar. Im sure this is exactly what Bejar was going for.

Beardie you disappoint me (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 14:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

i don't hear steely dan in this at all really, there's more elements of like...fleetwood mac or something than the dan even

ciderpress, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 14:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

it reminds me of Gerry Rafferty

Beardie you disappoint me (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 14:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

Picked this up yesterday and was listening on the way to work this morning. Definitely not seeing the Dan touchpoints. Actually, the first comparison I thought of was Spandau Ballet, which Dan gets a little tetchy about in his interview here. But on first listen, there's a lot to love here -- it seems to me that he never approaches these aesthetics, either here or on the Bowie-compared records, ironically or as pastiche. It's just a production/arranging choice, one of many he could make.

"Suicide Demo" is amazing.

Also, by weird coincidence, "Babylon Sisters" just popped up on my iPod.

you think you're cool, but you read ick (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 14:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

He should really get a haircut.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 15:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm reading all of these 70s band references and getting annoyed. Please, no more smarmy 70s rip offs! Then I realize I'm in a Destroyer thread and I am probably going to buy this!

university of, drunk off your butt, etc. (u s steel), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 15:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

bay of pigs makes a lot more sense in context with the extra music on side3. half of this album is kosmische!!!

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 15:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

listened to this album again this morning, it's really good but it's kind of intense to listen to the whole thing at once

i know there are cheesy signifiers like the sax and some of the guitar licks but for me it's all about the drums+bass, synthesizer washes, and vocals, none of which particularly signify cheesiness or "the 70s" (aside from the disco-y rhythms)

also as someone who hadn't heard bay of pigs at all before this album, it fits in well with the rest of the songs. i wouldn't recognize it as a "separate entity" if i didn't know it has been released earlier

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

"blue eyes" is still the standout track for me but i generally have poppier tastes

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

i get that people would call some of the sounds here "cheesy", but mainly this record is really beautiful. also, the guy is singing better than ever here -- his phrasing is really about as good as it gets.

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

i get that people would call some of the sounds here "cheesy", but mainly this record is really beautiful

/!\ OTM /!\

ciderpress, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

fuck yea

just sayin, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

word

also n/a i am totally the opposite: this is the first album in a while that i feel compelled to listen to str8 thru every time (though now i've got it on vinyl i'm generally skipping sides 3/4)

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah, i want to listen to the whole thing -- it sounds like one long song, really. in a good way.

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

can't really get over how much better the vinyl sounds, too---dunno if that's just me wanting it to be the case, a general truth of 160kbps v. vinyl, or attributable to the production, or what.

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

i need to get me something to play vinyl on.

Beardie you disappoint me (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

really want to get that but cant find anywhere in the uk that has it :(

just sayin, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

don't think i'm gonna get the vinyl -- is the long ambient track available anywhere else? [/ysi?]

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also I love how well Sibel Thrasher's voice both contrasts with and blends with Dan's, and how she adopt his rather idiosyncratic phrasing and vowels.

As far as "sounds like 80s production" stuff goes, this >>>>>>>>M83.

Mr. Fart Pop Bass (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

the only steely dan comparison i would make is the juxtaposition of the really mellow, studio pro lite rock chops with the sorta odd, malevolent lyrics.

sonically songwritingwise, i don't really hear any steely dan

also, he pretty much lets you know that this is an anglophile post new wave patiche thing in the lyrics severeal times, so yeah prefab, jazz butcher, talk talk, blue aeroplanes, all that shit seems way more appropriate

smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

tylerw: the vinyl came with a digital DL of the album that includes the ambient track. i am merely bringing that to your attention.

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the bass lines are gorgeous.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

Sorry if this was already discussed:

Does the vinyl include a digital download?

Moodles, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

it was discussed 2 posts ago!

ciderpress, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh, duh

Moodles, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

gbx is the digital download FLAC or mp3?

in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

mp3

320kbps

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Curious if the sax in Nick Drake's "Chime of a City Clock" coded as "cheesy" in 1971:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP3eHMWFEkM

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

(I would guess not.)

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

i dunno, but listening to this album and gerry rafferty recently, i have started wondering about how the sax became kinda the code sound for cheese.

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 17:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

i was always bummed no one wanted to let me play sax in bands :(

i'm a sax player btw

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 17:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

I've always liked this interview with Jim O'Rourke about the cultural associations and contexts of certain musical sounds, as they pertain to his record Eureka:

O'Rourke: ...there are certain songs on the record that mix genres to draw attention to the fact that they are just signifiers of genre. Like Ken Vandermark’s sax solo on "Through the Night Softly." If you take that out of context, you’re going to be wondering, "What is that?"

Q: It’s funny you mentioned that, because that’s the moment I’m leading up to. When I hear that solo it sounds like the ending credits on "Saturday Night Live."

O’Rourke: (Ecstatic) Exactly! That’s exactly what it’s supposed to be. That’s brilliant. Fantastic. That’s 100 percent what I was going for. I remember recording it and saying "No, Ken, stupider ... stupider." He kept saying, "Aw Jim, come on." But what most people have heard is Pink Floyd’s "The Great Gig in the Sky" from Dark Side of the Moon, which I can understand because the drumming was purposefully supposed to sound like Nick Mason. That’s why I used a different drummer on that song. But it is supposed to feel like "Saturday Night Live." That interests me partially because it’s a cultural reference taken out of its context but also because it’s just stupid. I like stupid stuff. I have to admit it’s also slightly a parody of a Gastr del Sol song for me. The cliched poignant piano on that song is just ridiculous. What is so poignant about a piano humping out a bunch of chords, you know? So that tune is mostly made up of jokes. But it had to work musically of course.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 17:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Sax is sometimes seen as cool in dance-punk contexts -- beginning with James Chance, probably, but then recently with the Rapture and Love Is All. But it's a different style of playing.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 17:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

well sure. also i think that the main reason that sax/horns don't crop up that often and/or get relegated to specific roles is because they're pretty inflexible, tonally. not in an absolute sense, of course, but every instrument in a trad rock trio/4tet can be run through a crazy signal chain to get whatever quality you want. horns are what they are, for the most part, unless you do some morphine stuff

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 17:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

Song for America actually had people dancing and sexy girl dancing.

awesome! i mentioned upthread that i opened a dj set a few weeks ago with "chinatown" but have been thinking "song for america" would be a great end of the party/ its 5am and we're still dancing song

gr8080, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 19:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

thought i might be sick of this album already but i just checked and nope i'm not

gr8080, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 19:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

my wife, my 17-month-old daughter and I were all dancing to this record in the kitchen last night

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 19:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

awesome!! fuck i wish i had a family to dance with sometimes

gr8080, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 19:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol otm sigh

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 19:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

my wife doesn't like this album :( she said it's "embarrassing"

she also does not like steely dan

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 19:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

im going to try it out again on saturday night when it gets packed.

Cultivating a manly musk puts your opponents on notice (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 19:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

awesome! i mentioned upthread that i opened a dj set a few weeks ago with "chinatown" but have been thinking "song for america" would be a great end of the party/ its 5am and we're still dancing song

yeah it seems tailor-made for that

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 21:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

My wife gives this album a thumbs up--says it reminds her of Leonard Cohen.

Every time I listen different lyrics pop out, like "I haven't seen you ages/I still fly into rages at the mention of your name...Christine."

President Keyes, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 22:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

was listening to Sam Prekop last nite and think that maybe his use of "cheesy" horns and "jazzy" stuff on a successful idie rock record was kind of in this vein

gr8080, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 22:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

different flavor of cheese imo

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 23:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah obviously. there was one track that was less funky/jazzy where the horns kind of got spacey that got me thinking tho.

gr8080, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 23:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Every time I listen different lyrics pop out, like "I haven't seen you ages/I still fly into rages at the mention of your name...Christine."

― President Keyes, Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:52 PM (41 minutes ago)

....whiiiiiiiiiiite"

yeah this has always been a favorite line of mine

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 23:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Isn't it "Christine White"? I think that's the name of an old Canadian newsperson or something, which is a funny fake name for whomever she was. How true that sentiment

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 23:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah i just finished the lyric

no idea who she is tho

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 23:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hate to get all meta, but what other bands/acts generate this many posts before the record comes out, just curious. destroyer is like ilm catnip

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

actually it was me grady and a couple other dudes for several weeks until it was obvious this would be a big internet deal, then it got BNM, etc

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

hey i was out there pretty early too! ;)

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

nothing tops the rubies thread for sheer volume tho i bet

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

ya to be honest there's only been a few of us really in this thread, it's not like the My Big Fantasy thread.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

i don't know that one, will check it out

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

Kanye, I mean.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

that killed my buzz for "My Big Fantasy" thread

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

can someone explain "MIDI record"

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Thursday, 27 January 2011 02:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

I just bought two tickets for the Webster Hall show. Better be better than the one I saw a few years ago!

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 27 January 2011 02:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

can someone explain "MIDI record"

if this is in reference to Your Blues, that record's instrumentation consists solely of acoustic guitar and transparently fake-sounding instrument samples that sound like they're MIDI-sequenced

example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTo8fjGUgs4

ciderpress, Thursday, 27 January 2011 02:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

"It's not a war/til someone loses an eye"

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 January 2011 03:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I kind of get where people are coming from with the whole MIDI thing, but realistically, most current music that has electronic elements also have MIDI sequencing. It's a pretty standard thing and doesn't necessarily have a particular sound associated with it.

Moodles, Thursday, 27 January 2011 04:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well, yes and no. When one says "It's his MIDI record" they're actually referring to a late 80s / early 90s set of sounds called General MIDI. It was not a sound in itself but rather a set of 127 instruments that would be represented across the board from bargain basement Panasonic digital pianos to the "top of the line" Kurzweil varieties. Consistently 001 would be "Piano", 020 was "Strings", 049 was "Harp", 090 was "Warm Pad", etc. (I am recalling those numbers from fifteen-year-old memory, they are possibly incorrect.)

The General MIDI sound, though not applicable to a single synth, usually describes a sound that could be described as a latter-day version of the Fairlight. You'll hear fake trumpets, fake strings, timpani, etc. It's the sound you hear on karaoke backing tracks, panflute buskers, mattress commercials.

ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 January 2011 04:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

yea i figured as much. though i'd probably call that his .MID album
when i think "MIDI album" i think yamaha DX7, tango in the night, early digital recording/production, kaputt

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Thursday, 27 January 2011 05:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

i need max on this thread

― gr8080, Sunday, January 9, 2011 6:23 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

omggggggggggggggggggggg this album why does no one tell me about these things

max, Thursday, 27 January 2011 05:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

welcome

ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, 27 January 2011 05:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

would be fun to feed your_blues_midi_files.zip thru gxscc for some trashy 8bit goodness

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Thursday, 27 January 2011 05:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

im curious why terius can use the linndrum on yamaha, sound a whole lot like prince and is awesome but this record is being scoffed at for sounding vaguely reminiscent of steely dan? seems kinda silly. oh well, haters are missing out bigtime

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Thursday, 27 January 2011 05:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

my wife, my 17-month-old daughter and I were all dancing to this record in the kitchen last night

― tylerw, Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:33 PM

aw!

markers, Thursday, 27 January 2011 06:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha i was watching the baby last night while my wife was out and the baby was getting kind of crazy and overstimulated so i put on this album and was carrying her around and she fell asleep on me, which she never, ever does. so i guess babies are down with destroyer.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 27 January 2011 13:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Every time I listen different lyrics pop out, like "I haven't seen you ages/I still fly into rages at the mention of your name...Christine."

Phantom of the Opera ref, IMO.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Thursday, 27 January 2011 14:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ha, OK, I don't remember reading this:

oh man starting at abt 5:00 of "bay of pigs" pretty much is everything i love about this dude in a nutshell

havent seen you for ages
still fly into rages
at the mention of your name...christiiiiine

― tickle me delmar (k3vin k.), Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:18 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^sounds like a beautiful postmodern take on "phantom of the opera"

― tickle me delmar (k3vin k.), Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:24 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Thursday, 27 January 2011 14:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

i have no idea what you're talking about

thomp, Thursday, 27 January 2011 15:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

heard this album is going to knock the decemberists out of the #1 position on the billboard charts.

tylerw, Thursday, 27 January 2011 16:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

Just in case lack of a legal way to hear this for free is holding anyone back, the whole album is streaming on soundcloud:

http://soundcloud.com/hypem/sets/kaputt/s-I2Ja2

gr8080, Thursday, 27 January 2011 17:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Every time I listen different lyrics pop out, like "I haven't seen you ages/I still fly into rages at the mention of your name...Christine."

Phantom of the Opera ref, IMO.

― Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:11 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

More an intertextual reference to "Painter in Your Pocket," but sure.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 27 January 2011 21:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

xxp i had to load up billboard.com to make sure you weren't clowning and that the decemberists actually have a #1 album

wtf

ciderpress, Thursday, 27 January 2011 21:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, with a whopping 94,000 records sold. Social Distortion got to number three, with something like 50,000. Those numbers aren't shabby for indies, but I bet it feels like coasting in on a technicality, especially with Taylor Swift still selling millions her first couple weeks.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 January 2011 21:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

xxp i had to load up billboard.com to make sure you weren't clowning and that the decemberists actually have a #1 album

wtf

― ciderpress, Thursday, January 27, 2011 2:41 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

They only sold that many because Amazon was offering it for like 3.99.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 27 January 2011 21:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

haaa, was just kidding. heard this record is going to get a 10.0 from p4k though for real.

tylerw, Thursday, 27 January 2011 21:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

kaputt 10th anniversary blu-ray tetraphonic audio remaster w/ 20 minutes of bonus kosmische will be a definite 10.0

wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Thursday, 27 January 2011 21:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

Just in case lack of a legal way to hear this for free is holding anyone back, the whole album is streaming on soundcloud:

http://soundcloud.com/hypem/sets/kaputt/s-I2Ja2

― gr8080, Thursday, 27 January 2011 17:01 (5 hours ago)

no "the laziest river" ;_;

in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Thursday, 27 January 2011 22:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

ok so just now hearing "the laziest river" and wow! it's no instrumental but wow!

a lagoon par la mer (psychgawsple), Saturday, 29 January 2011 00:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like this album a lot. I can understand how people could hear Steely Dan in this, but I think this has more of an early-80s sequencer vibe - so I'd say a closer reference point would be Donald Fagen's solo joint The Nightfly or Joe Jackson's "Steppin' Out", or Pet Shop Boys, or Leonard Cohen's I'm Your Man, or Ian Dury - or basically any mid-80s record that featured a guy with an un-commercial sounding voice singing highbrow lyrics over sequencer-driven, dance-inspired music.

o. nate, Saturday, 29 January 2011 22:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

So I just bought the vinyl version and downloaded the digital copy and I'm wondering how they relate to each other. Are they exactly the same? Does the epic mp3 for The Laziest River contain the entirety of side 3?

Moodles, Sunday, 30 January 2011 00:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

y

ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, 30 January 2011 00:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

the world is just bones

talk talk talk (diamonddave85), Monday, 31 January 2011 22:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

the world is black stones

talk talk talk (diamonddave85), Monday, 31 January 2011 22:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20458872,00.html

Read through to the "yacht rock" reference. Should generate a comment or two...

(By the way, I like Bejar's shirts. Anyone know where I can get similar ones?)

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20459529_20901309,00.html

Sorry. For the shirt question above...

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like this. Reminds me a bit of our dear (ilx-)departed Momus.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

Completely under this album's spell.

It's sending me off to a far away place in my mind. And in such a velvet-y smooth way too. No 'blast from the past' but a soft tumbling back through the years. Ah nostalgia... It's not melancholy, rather the French spleen. In a highly enjoyable way. Am hearing most of the names O. Nate checked too, but luckily it doesn't get in the way.

Expect to be playing this one for quite a while.

LBI clearly believes the cat is gone (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 11:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

The thing that strikes me about this album is that, despite a few elements that reference 70s/80s music, this sounds totally modern to me. It really doesn't strike me as particularly retro at all. The production and sound quality is really top notch.

It is also kind of interesting that the vocals and lyrics kind of seem to take a back seat somewhat, at least compared to some of his other albums where the focus is totally on his singing.

Moodles, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 16:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

kinda, sorta.... ugh, I need an editor.

Moodles, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 16:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

otm, i hear traces of this sound in many contemporary artists: emeralds + arp for the synthy kosmische stuff, efdemin + isolee's new ones for the FM style synths and clear production, cut copy with their tango in the night sound on that one song, italians do it better have been pilfering that disco sound forever, etc

it seems like because destroyer is one of the first /indie rock proper/ releases to take inspiration from these sounds, its being unfairly compared to 60-odd years of rock canon

talk talk talk (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 16:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ha, Spencer, I was thinking the same thing - definitely reminds me of some of the lusher stuff from say Tender Pervert. But yeah my wife said it reminded her of Pet Shop Boys vocally, too. Largely enjoying it in a different way than I enjoy either of those aformentioned artists, mind you.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 17:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

at the start of his career many journalists compared Al Stewart and Neil Tennant's voices.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 17:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

My wife mentioned this reminded her of James. Definitely the vocals have a similar timbre, although Dan Bejar is much less strident in his delivery.

Moodles, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 17:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

^ That is interesting!
I am fascinated by Tim Booth's idea of 'lyrics' and def see the parallels.

ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 17:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

i kinda hated the earlier destroyer stuff i'd heard but this one is great.

omar little, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 20:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

I had a Destroyer listening binge yesterday, and although I'm probably wrong, this is his first album that doesn't reference his own work or works of other artists lyrically much, or at all, right? Contrast that with Destroyer's Rubies, which is full of references to his own back catalog as well as quite a few others.

Jouster, Thursday, 3 February 2011 02:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

just got the vinyl, and lp 2 is really noisy--crackles all over.

: (

anyone else?

nerve_pylon, Sunday, 6 February 2011 00:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

I actively dislike Destroyer but this is the first "indie rock" album I've heard in a long while that has fascinated me so much. Pretty fantastic. What do long-time fans think of this? I think it has crossover appeal, in the sense of crossing over to people who never bothered with Destroyer in the first place.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Sunday, 6 February 2011 00:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp same

talk talk talk (diamonddave85), Sunday, 6 February 2011 19:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

Compared to his other records, there are less jokes and more instrumental breaks

Prick Squad (Ówen P.), Monday, 7 February 2011 07:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

just got the vinyl, and lp 2 is really noisy--crackles all over.

why I stopped buying new vinyl...

skip, Monday, 7 February 2011 14:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've had some bad experiences with new vinyl too.

I had a weird dream last night about being on some really luxuious yacht circa 1982 while songs from this played in the background. Then the owner of the yacht flew into a coke-fueled rage and started destroying the wood panelling while the line "threw his watercolors into the ocean" from Rubies looped over and over. Maybe I need to lay off this album for awhile?

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 7 February 2011 15:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

nah, stick with it, I wanna see where this is going

proso_Opopoeia (bernard snowy), Monday, 7 February 2011 15:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

Agreed that the 2nd disc of the vinyl doesn't seem to be pressed well; first disc sounds really good, but 2nd is noisy for me as well.

Mark, Monday, 7 February 2011 15:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

Did we post this video yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf-ONpLXzGs

President Keyes, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 00:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

just got the vinyl, and lp 2 is really noisy--crackles all over.

: (

anyone else?

― nerve_pylon, Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:12 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark

got mine this weekend, and only noticed a couple ticks at the end of the sides. no biggie, and probably not enough for merge to do another run...

69, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 00:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

yah i posted the video the day it was released

gr8080, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 01:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

I bought the vinyl and it all sounds really good.

Moodles, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 01:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

i was thinking today while listening to the album that i'm kind of skeptical of ilm ppl who otherwise don't f/w dan bejar or think he's some otherwise boring indie crank who are into this record cause of the awesome chill slick production. i think the playing is really interesting--it was really enlightening to hear that all the musicians recorded in isolation & u can really feel the disembodiment imo--but i can't really imagine someone just passively ignoring the vocals & still getting something out of the album. for me all destroyer albums are abt a really strong central personality & an ineffable feeling of connection & wkiw. trying to imagine someone coming at the album w/o a willingness to engage with that dimension of it... but maybe im just strawmanning & u all think dan bejar is cool as fuck too

flopson, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 05:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'm skeptical of your skepticism

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'm basically ambivalent about his "personality" but willing to see how it goes after repeat listens because the production is awesome, chill, and slick

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

ya i mean i guess i'm more just curious as to what you really find valuable & interesting abt it. i get that ppl are interested in the aesthetic

listening to it today & thinking abt how most things i've read about it (excluding the p4k review which is the best thing i've read there in a while) have been so narrowly focused on the production & style switch-up and i was like o wait that's not why i care abt destroyer. by all means it's cool and good and interesting, but i don't think that's where the essential content lies, i feel like a meaningful engagement w/ the album requires that you really warm up to him

flopson, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

*i get that ppl are interested in the aesthetic but i'm curious to hear someone of your opinion explain more clearly

flopson, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

his other albums sound annoying

this album sounds awesome

gr8080, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

his other albums sound annoying

this album sounds awesome

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

haven't read the p4k review yet. and i haven't listened to destroyer in a long time, but in a different musical context i hear his voice and read his personality differently. i never really had a very fleshed-out impression of "who he is" tho, so i'm not sure how the new aesthetic effects how you hear him. it just doesn't seem like much of a stretch to see him as a different sort of guy when he's singing over different music, especially for people who weren't too invested in him in the first place.

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

xpost

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

trying to imagine someone coming at the album w/o a willingness to engage with that dimension of it... but maybe im just strawmanning & u all think dan bejar is cool as fuck too

well its still recognizably bejar on this record i do think hes softer, less cutting, less layered & reflexive idk. i mean i think you can like the destroyer of kaputt and not love the destroyer of streethawk, yknow? i compared it to leonard cohen's 'i'm your man' upthread & i meant that more than just musically i think theres a similar shift in his personality/tone/way of approaching the listener

Lamp, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

i mean disregarding everything else but the lyrics & approach its difficult to imagine the destroyer of kaputt singing "you spent the 90s cowering" or "i'm a tastemaker & i kill things/i'm not a tastemaker & i kill things"

Lamp, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

But here the persona seems even more sharply defined. Singing these songs, Bejar comes over as the wizened ex-playboy; he's indulged every vice, come through the other side, and now looks on amused. The cover of Leonard Cohen's Death of a Ladies' Man, a record that seems to serve as a spiritual (though not sonic) father to this one, shows this figure in its quintessential form. On that sleeve, we see a man in sharp but slightly disheveled dress, a cigarette dangling from a couple of fingers; beautiful people are seated at the nightclub table, ready for another night of glamor and pleasure.

Leonard Cohen in that image has a sense of swagger, and you want to pull up a chair, have a drink, and hear him hold forth on the topic of his choice. The figure inside the songs of Kaputt understands the allure of this life while understanding equally its futility.

flopson, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

i can understand someone who found his persona on your blues or w/e icky & this is def a more charming & universally appealing mode. but if ppl are just tolerating it to hear cool sax jam im kind of incredulous

flopson, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

um, sounds like you pretty much nailed why i like this album and not his other ones

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

wizened ex-playboys make music i like

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 8 February 2011 06:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

that was a quote from the p4k review

flopson, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 07:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

But here the persona seems even more sharply defined

even on the earliest records the destroyer 'persona' seemed p fleshed out? i still love the destroyer of 'city of daughters' sneering at himself, at us, at some girl; barbed & clever & anxious. laughing but still angry saying "i'm so what's the word i don't know" trading in quick perversions & puns but that was 12 years ago?

but i mean karl's right p4k has p much hit on why the wiser, warmer bejar is going to be a more appealing figure for some ppl.

Lamp, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 07:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

everyone gets old

Lamp, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 07:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

new (i think?) interview at dusted: http://www.dustedmagazine.com/features/960

Clay, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 07:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1nuO0iVX_s

talk talk talk (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

ah, that's rad. i've been wanting to hear that demo of "demo." you can hear a solo acoustic version of "chinatown" here. sorry if someone's posted it already.http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Destroyer/Destroyer_Live_on_CBC_Radio_3_10022009/Chinatown

tylerw, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

better quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGzM4coJ8v8

talk talk talk (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 16:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

flopson so otm

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

bejar's singing works better for me than on any of the other destroyer albums i've heard and the music is pretty incredible. i tried to get/w streethawk and your blues but couldn't really stand them. might give rubies and w/e the last one was another shot, though.

omar little, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

rubies is prob next most listenable to non bejar lifers

flopson, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

whoa i love that acoustic "chinatown" - so violent!

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

I can't imagine spending enough time with his records to get into his 'difficult' vocal schtick if it wasn't for the draw of gorgeous kaputt-esque music. Hearing Kaputt, and eventually getting to like the vocals for what they are has got me look into the earlier records, but they are nowhere near as immediate for me.

Vasco da Gama, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 17:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

dunno, i guess there are people out there who like 80s leonard cohen, but can't be bothered with the guy's folkier early stuff?

tylerw, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 20:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha -- I prefer eighties Cohen, mostly for the way in which the vocals play off the rickety Casio presets.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 20:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

well, yeah, if push came to shove i might say i prefer 80s/90s/00s cohen, but i also love his early stuff. seems like a lot of people here aren't into bejar at all except for this album.

tylerw, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 20:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

It seems like a lot of people here aren't into bejar at all except for this album.

I'm def one of those.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 20:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

what was that first clip that's been removed?

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 00:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

oops, sorry--i see it was the demo

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 00:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

I just noticed that the Harvard Crimson gave Kaputt a negative review....BWAHHAHAHA

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 02:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

googled it out of curiosity, wow that's p.bad

Whatever Bejar is trying to express here, he does so with typical poetic flair.
backhanded compliment or just bad writing?
Bejar’s most infuriating characteristic is his imperturbability. Nothing seems able to shake him out of his complacent monotone.
are we talking about the same guy

proso_Opopoeia (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

*imagining The Social Network as scored by 2011-era Bejar instead of Trent Reznor*

gr8080, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 10:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like how the demo ends with that flute melody, I was wondering if that would turn up in this version. That melody is easily my favorite part of this entire album.

Moodles, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 18:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

dmr otm

James Tipitina, Jr. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

I am? When?

The Laziest River is amazing.

dmr, Friday, 11 February 2011 20:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's not just some throwaway track, hard to listen to the album w/o it

in some weird way it makes "bay of pigs" make more sense?

it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

i gotta get my hands on that

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Friday, 11 February 2011 21:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

via jaxon on the balearic thread

http://mediumrotation.blogspot.com/2011/01/destroyer-kaputt.html

― jaxon, Sunday, February 6, 2011 8:05 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark

dmr, Friday, 11 February 2011 21:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Like this fine but prefer lots of other Destroyer albums or any Denim album.

you were otm in pretty much all your posts, dmr.

The 33 1/3 Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

I wonder if we will ever go back to Sh4rlene's for the trivia contest again

The 33 1/3 Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

having 5 beers on work night: very difficult.

I may actually buy this album.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh man, "Laziest River" is fantastic.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

It's cool. It's the best thing on it, but it's not quite on it.

The 33 1/3 Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well, it's not on my (digital) copy, so I'm just now listening to it via that blog post.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 17:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

Anyone know whether/when this will get a UK release?

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 19:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

I do find it oddly fascinating that apparently so many folks (myself included) that have never particularly liked Destroyer do like this one a lot. It'd be really funny if everyone that liked Destroyer before hated this one, and everyone that didn't liked it. Like, a total 180.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

it is interesting because i don't really hear the songwriting being all that different here -- i can imagine all the songs being done in one of the earlier styles. but yeah, must have something to do with the instrumentation/style of singing.

tylerw, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

Wow, "The Laziest River" is like the score from "Rain Man" crossed with Tangerine Dream's "Risky Business" score. It's great.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh, and "Love is a Battlefield."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

You know who (predictably) hates this album? Jim DeRogatis.

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

Link?

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 21:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

Destroyer on Jimmy Fallon next Tuesday, Feb. 22, BTW.

All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 21:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

Man, that "Laziest River" is killing me. Now hearing "Eyes Without a Face," Blue Nile ... how did this not make the album? Just too long? How is it presented on the LP? As its own side?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

"This is Oscar Wilde on speed!"

I'll ask again: how the fuck does this fool even write sentences?

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ha, I just listened to that, and Kot mentioned Blue Nile's "Hats," which is exactly what I had in mind.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

(And for what it's worth, I've seen Destroyer live with Greg before, and we spent much of the set making fun of it. Count him another convert, I guess.)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

lmbo @ kot + dero

GUY FROM NEW PORNOGRAPHERS MADE A NEW ALBUM. SOUNDS LIKE 80'S.

gr8080, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

How is it presented on the LP?

As its own side

ouroboros shoal (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

as far as i'm concerned, the LP is the definitive version of this album
laziest river makes all the difference. it's definitely not a bonus track, unless you also consider bay of pigs a bonus track

ouroboros shoal (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

Destroyer on Jimmy Fallon next Tuesday, Feb. 22, BTW.
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:15 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

I just read on some board that a guy named "JP" from Arcade Fire will be joining Destroyer on Fallon (can't imagine Bejar liking Arcade Fire tho!)

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 00:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

y not?

flopson, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 00:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

calling it now: Kaputt to win grammy for best album next year

gr8080, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 00:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

not a chance

ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 00:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

calling it now: kapput to win grammy for best album next year

flopson, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 01:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

Calling it now, "Kaputt" will go gold.*

*In accordance with new downgraded RIAA standards, the "gold" designation now means selling 25,000 copies.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 01:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

calling it now: ilm backlash during end of year list season will result in Kaputt being the 2011 equivalent of Merriweather Post Pavilion and 85% of the board will claim to have never liked it in the first place

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 01:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

Merriweather what?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 01:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but the much maligned album by Animal Collective that was all over year-end lists two years ago, much to the ire of many ilxors. It was part of the dreaded GAPDY poll result axis of evil.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 01:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

there's no way, merriweather was almost universally acclaimed. this one's been pretty lukewarm

ouroboros shoal (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 02:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

acclaimed by critics and fans alike, I should say

ouroboros shoal (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 02:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

I was mostly being sarcastic with my prediction, just playing off the early year record gets tons of buzz only to have people turn on it by the end of the year.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 02:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

yea I figured as much but I didn't wanna be snarky and accuse u of trollin

ouroboros shoal (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 03:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

Where in this thread is the handy link to nabisco's review?

Guess I will have to provide it: http://nymag.com/arts/popmusic/reviews/70822/

Poll Man River: The Jerome Kern Poll (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

"I suspect it’s the best and most recommendable thing Bejar’s done."

Get a clue, Nitsuh. It's a great record but just because you're jumping on the bandwagon 10 years too late doesn't mean you can proclaim the above bullsh*t.
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an0n (diamonddave85), Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

I didn't realize Bejar stans were so territorial.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

"I suspect it’s the best and most recommendable thing Bejar’s done."

Get a clue, Nitsuh. It's a great record but just because you're jumping on the bandwagon 10 years too late doesn't mean you can proclaim the above bullsh*t.
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― an0n (diamonddave85), Thursday, February 17, 2011 1:58 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

Hey, I've been listening to Bejar for a decade, and I also wrote in my review that it's arguably his best album too. Give him benefit of the doubt here.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

in his review he talks abt how this is the first bejar album hes listened to

just sayin, Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

He did say he "suspected" so I don't see what the problem is.

Poll Makossa (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

in his review he talks abt how this is the first bejar album hes listened to

― just sayin, Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:13 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

Ok never mind. Haven't read the article since he first published it.

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

the other night in my dream, they rereleased this album, but with William Shatner doing all the vocals

peter in montreal, Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

wld probably still be listenable

on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

in his review he talks abt how this is the first bejar album hes listened to

no no, it isn't! and i didn't review it without going back and listening to the others again, either. i'm just getting worse and worse at communicating clearly. i'd heard bejar plenty, just never really delved into the stuff until last year or so.

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 20 February 2011 00:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

get a clue nitsuh

Paradife Loft (diamonddave85), Sunday, 20 February 2011 00:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

woops! i read that review when it was first published, and shld have re-read it before writing my comment. you communicated fine! it was just my memory

just sayin, Sunday, 20 February 2011 09:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

I've finally gotten around to hearing this, & think it's really great---a creative & worthwhile post, I know, but I doubt I'd have checked this out without ILM, since Rubies never sunk in for me & I'd ignored him since, & so I figured I'd chime in positively on this thread before it goes kaputt again.

Euler, Sunday, 20 February 2011 18:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Bejar is making his tv debut on Jimmy Fallon on the 22nd. should be interesting!

i love it when a suggest ban comes together (cajunsunday), Sunday, 20 February 2011 18:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

Thanks for those who mentioned Blue Nile _Hats_. I'm definitely going to check that out now.

o. nate, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 03:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

good performance. for some reason i had imagined the musicians he worked with to be older, like old studio hacks. went skiing yesterday & slept 15 hours last night & the song (downtown) hit me a lot harder than it ever has before

flopson, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 15:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

kinda disappointed he didn't piggyback ride fallon

it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

a friend of mine once suggested that if you used certain parts of the Internet to gauge what was deplorable to humanity, you would come up with a list that ran (1) genocide, (2) rape, (3) liking things other people can guess that you like, and (4) murder. This person also guessed that I would like the band Destroyer.

is this an ilxor?

caek, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

here's a vid of the fallon performance http://blip.tv/file/4802315/ !!!

i love it when a suggest ban comes together (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 19:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

is it different than the one I just posted?

it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 19:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

um no actually. was too excited to read the thread back.

i love it when a suggest ban comes together (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 19:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

these are exciting times

just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 19:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

indeed they are!

i love it when a suggest ban comes together (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 19:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like how Bejar seems sorta nervous at first but then gets into it as he goes
and the way it basically turns into smooth-jazz freakout at the end

on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah really looking forward to the show in dc w/ the war on drugs opening.

Moreno, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hm
Saying that it's his "Best Album", when it is such a remarkable stylistic shift
May make the faithful claim that such a statement would negate the other gems in the crown
But that's not really the case, is it?

Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 00:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

i really don't think this album is *that* radical a shift for bejar. i think he's ultimately like leonard cohen, where his own persona dominates, no matter what musical setting you put him in.

tylerw, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp nope, it was like opening pandora's box for me. pretty good marketing innit

jan špankwajer.com (diamonddave85), Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

Two bass players in that performance! One on either side of the drums.

Du Musst Calamari Werden (Phil D.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 23:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

i didn't really like the tv performance.

gr8080, Saturday, 26 February 2011 00:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

it sucks--he's not good live, i fear (saw them live once)

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 26 February 2011 00:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

the music on this album should exist only on this album and never be reproduced ever

gr8080, Saturday, 26 February 2011 01:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

yer nuts, horn shit was awesome imo

bejar painfully shy afterwards, was kind of endearing

it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Saturday, 26 February 2011 02:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

i saw dan b when frog eyes backed him on the your blues tour. great show. he bowed after every song . . . rarely seen someone so appreciative of his audience

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 26 February 2011 02:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like how Bejar seems sorta nervous at first

he is crazy uncomfortable onstage and often gets drunk to fight it. when he plays w/ New Pornographers usually comes out to sing carrying a pint.

i didn't really like the tv performance.

I'm the total opposite, wasn't really thinking of going to Webster Hall in April but now I'm gonna see if there's still tickets. My wife can heckle (still hates this record).

dmr, Saturday, 26 February 2011 02:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

Haha, yeah last time I saw the New Pornos and Dan was there he was absolutely tanked. I couldn't believe that they played, and he made it through, "A Testament To Youth In Verse" and "Chump Change."

Du Musst Calamari Werden (Phil D.), Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

ecch I really dislike 'rubies', not sure about 'your blues'. What are the good new pornos songs w/ bejar?

forest zombie (Vasco da Gama), Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

all of them, but particularly "ballad of a comeback kid," "myriad harbor," "broken beads," both "jackies," yeah, all of them

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 February 2011 04:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

wasn't really thinking of going to Webster Hall in April but now I'm gonna see if there's still tickets. My wife can heckle (still hates this record).

I saw him on the rubies tour and didn't really think I'd ever need to see him again... but I'm reconsidering now. my wife makes sardonic pet shop boys comparisons whenever I put on kaputt.

it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Saturday, 26 February 2011 16:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

That's funny, I can't listen to it without thinking of Neil Tennant.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 26 February 2011 17:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

ime he is charming & extremely likeable not partic uncomfortable live and i saw him doing a solo acoustic show?

flopson, Saturday, 26 February 2011 22:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Laziest River is amazing! I've never liked destroyer but this record is something else. definitely not just a bonus song.

JacobSanders, Monday, 28 February 2011 19:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

everyone seems to think he's totally tanked during NPs shows, but I think this is just sort of an act? at least to some extent. maybe i'm wrong.

tylerw, Monday, 28 February 2011 19:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ken Jennings is a fan:

Favorite record: man that is tough. I'm listening to the new Destroyer record as I type this. When the laws are changed I want to marry Dan Bejar.

jaymc, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

!!!!

I don't know why this makes me so happy

bernard snowy, Friday, 4 March 2011 18:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha

but what about Watson

more of a Kraftwerk fan maybe

dmr, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

that's so awesome

gr8080, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Think Watson's jam is "Popcorn."

ilxor astro-ilx? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 March 2011 19:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

When KJ was in the midst of his run, I couldn't stand him. Now, I kinda love him.

kate78, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oy. Sold out for March 31 in Toronto. I don’t think he sold out even on the night of last time through (in the same venue).

shudder, Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

about the googleganger

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2011/03/21/110321ta_talk_sanneh

Moreno, Thursday, 17 March 2011 18:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol @ accompanying cartoon

gr8080, Thursday, 17 March 2011 18:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://kexp.org/live/liveperformance.aspx?rID=33127

diamonddave85, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 21:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

<3 'certain things u oughtta know' with the kaputt band treatment
cant wait for the show next week!!

diamonddave85, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 21:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah that session sounded nice. trumpets on painter in your pocket! hope he comes to my neck of the woods with this band.

tylerw, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 21:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

is it me or did this get completely ignored by the uk indie mags? shame. guess the chances he'll ever come play live here are close to 0%

i love it when a suggest ban comes together (cajunsunday), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 21:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it doesn't seem like Kaputt even got a release in the UK. I haven't seen it in any shops and the price from online retailers started and has stayed pretty high. Not sure if he has played here before at all. His profile seems largely non-existent in Scotland at least.

AnotherDeadHero, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 22:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

How could Brits NOT love Destroyer? Seems odd...cannot WAIT to see them at Webster Hall, oh yeahhhhhhhh

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 23:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

the last two albums got fairly luke warm reviews. you know, the I-didn't-actually-listen-it type reviews. but this one got nowt!

i love it when a suggest ban comes together (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

Bejar the 'artist' sounds like a dickhead:

For one project, “Get Lost!,” he replaced New York City subway maps with versions that had a slightly different coastline and no names or markings—he wanted to evoke the city as it might have looked in 1609, when Henry Hudson sailed past.

I'm sure the family of five from Lincoln, Nebraska who'd been saving for five years to go see the friggin' Statue of Liberty or some shit really appreciates your 'art project,' asshole.

Mandatory Bohemia fuck off

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 18:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah and I'm sure nobody in New York would give them directions on how to get there either

bernard snowy, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 18:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol that poor family of five

just sayin, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 18:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol "art"

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 19:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol new york city

bernard snowy, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 19:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

god, i'd be creeped out by that dude if i was bejar (the destroyer bejar).

tylerw, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 19:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'm imagining the two of them in a fight to the death and i have to shoot the fake dan but they both keep claiming they're the real dan. don't know what to do.

Moreno, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 21:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

this record would be pretty dope if he could get through an entire song w/out dropping a toe curling lyric

merked, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 21:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm interviewing Bejar soon. Any questions you guys want asked?

rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 22:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Prefab Sprout: Classic or Dud?"

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 22:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

please ask him what his thoughts on the ken jennings quote are

gr8080, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 23:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm interviewing Bejar soon. Any questions you guys want asked?

which one looool???

diamonddave85, Thursday, 24 March 2011 01:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Why are you so obsessed with MELODY?! Oops, wrong thread, sorry!

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 24 March 2011 01:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

so apparently the laziest river instrumental stuff wasnt written by bejar but by one of the band members? or so ive been told, not that i can find anything about it on the internet

max, Friday, 25 March 2011 07:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

ok its ted bois

max, Friday, 25 March 2011 07:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

maybe everyone know that? now i want to hear a ted bois album

That extra side [a suite entitled “The Laziest River”] was recorded independently of all the other songs on Kaputt. The piano player in Destroyer [Ted Bois], doesn’t actually play on [the CD version of] Kaputt. He took all the photos, and he did the artwork for the two Destroyer EPs before the album, but he’s not playing because there’s no piano on the record. But yeah, he pretty much composed that 20-minute side in its entirety and recorded it, and it’s really kind of a feat. I mean, I’m really really into it. I sing on it a little bit, in the middle.

http://endhits.portlandmercury.com/endhits/archives/2011/03/18/extended-qanda-with-dan-bejar-of-destroyer

max, Friday, 25 March 2011 07:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

that song rules

so fly zone (D-40), Friday, 25 March 2011 07:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah its the best thing ive heard all year

max, Friday, 25 March 2011 07:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

love that song, didnt realise dan bejar had nothin to do w/ it. good work ted

just sayin, Friday, 25 March 2011 08:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

If you read the liner notes from the vinyl edition you would know that The Laziest River was mainly written by Ted Bois.

MarkoP, Friday, 25 March 2011 14:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah, assholes, next time read the liner notes from the vinyl edition

max, Friday, 25 March 2011 14:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

wwwhat if i dont have a record player??

diamonddave85, Friday, 25 March 2011 14:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

what if its super expensive for me to get the vinyl edition in the stupid uk

just sayin, Friday, 25 March 2011 14:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

then you don't get to know stuff dumbass

sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Friday, 25 March 2011 14:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

you think its this same ted bois? http://www.ecuad.ca/people/profile/14513

tempted to email him and ask if hes going to do more of that sick tangerine dream/michael shrieve shit

max, Friday, 25 March 2011 14:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

well he is drinking in his picture, which means he must be cool, so... probably is him?

just sayin, Friday, 25 March 2011 14:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

he looks like busy p in that pic

diamonddave85, Friday, 25 March 2011 15:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

is it this same ted dibiase?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eV7PCieEPI

so fly zone (D-40), Saturday, 26 March 2011 00:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

whoa gross accidentally posted the 'new intro'

so fly zone (D-40), Saturday, 26 March 2011 00:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cDWPvhiPWg
there we go

so fly zone (D-40), Saturday, 26 March 2011 00:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

see
this
band
live

--tyler 'scratch' perry (diamonddavie85)

tyler 'scratch' perry (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 05:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

really? did you go to a show? details!

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Had tix last night, could't go. Curious, since I've never liked him live before. But then, I haven't liked his other albums very much, either.

Hilarious that "The Laziest River" was mostly written by the piano player. Perhaps explains why the track's not on the album. And why the piano player's not on the album, perhaps!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh I guess I missed the show as well. Guess I'll catch him at Pitchfork.

jaymc, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

ooh he's coming here in two weeks!

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

Heavier thoughts lurk under Destroyer's glittering sheen

By Althea Legaspi, Special to the Tribune
8:12 a.m. CDT, March 30, 2011

review of Chicago show


Dan Bejar, whose solo project is Destroyer, didn't look like a typical commanding frontman during Destroyer's sold-out performance at Lincoln Hall on Tuesday. Spending most of his time onstage either rocking back and forth to the rhythms with eyes closed, crouched low during instrumental passages, or with his back or side turned to the audience (with an occasional meek bow), Bejar would've looked more the part of unassuming poet were it not for the seven talented, energetic musicians orbiting him. Bejar's reticent stage presence, however, also served the material well, adding to the enigmatic quality of Destroyer.

Bejar has run the genre gamut through the course of his career, which also includes band membership in The New Pornographers and Swan Lake. From folk and psychedelia to glam and pop, his songwriting is buoyed by an instinctual quirkiness and clever, if sometimes oblique, lyrics. For his ninth solo project, "Kaputt," from which Destroyer culled most of Tuesday's set, he changed styles up once again, touching on jazzy smooth rock with shimmery, synth-driven '80s pop. Add to this Bejar's affinity for juxtaposing such comfortable, familiar musical backdrops to more cerebral lyrical themes — alienation and disillusionment among them — and the material was steeped in modern times.

Being subversive was part of Destroyer's charm. As artful, romantic and sultry as "Blue Eyes" was, with its flirting sax and trumpet and soulful male-female vocal interplay, it suggested myriad other thoughts: its creator standing on his own island ("I write poetry for myself"), media mocking and references to other's songs. What sounded breezily carefree on the surface didn't often have such attractive underpinnings.

That was a thread throughout: Beneath the appealing musical sheen, something else, perhaps more dire, was percolating. The encore "Bay of Pigs," an epic, multi-part composition, traversed so much territory lyrically and musically, it was forgivable that Bejar referred to lyric sheets. Bathed in atmospherics with New Age beginnings, the opus grew in scope, incorporating flute, discofied dance beats and rock. Destroyer's show proved enjoyable whether skimming the easy-listening surface, or delving deeper.

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 31 March 2011 01:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

really? did you go to a show? details!

yea i went to the chicago show and it was excellent. it's basically kaputt on tour which is exactly what i was looking for. some people ive talked to who've been destroyer fans for years were disappointed by the lack of non-kaputt songs, however

the band was excellent: very tight but they let loose just at the right times. sax and trumpet player stole the show imo

tyler 'scratch' perry (diamonddave85), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

no non-kaputt songs at all? or just very few?

bernard snowy, Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

(btw before this conversation goes any further I would like to propose the acronym "NKS" for "non-kaputt song(s)")

bernard snowy, Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

2 NKS songs which my destroyer fan friend (DFF?) described as the most kaputty songs in his back catalogue. they were both excellent

tyler 'scratch' perry (diamonddave85), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

destroy friends forever

bernard snowy, Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

now I really wanna know what 2 songs are the kaputtiest

bernard snowy, Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

my dff said one of the songs was from his first album o__O

tyler 'scratch' perry (diamonddave85), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

friend of mine was at that show. said it kinda killed the mood when Bejar whipped out the lyric sheet to sing from haha

http://twitpic.com/4fde2z

dmr, Thursday, 31 March 2011 17:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

i fully approve of this phenomenon

uk date at heaven announced today! kind of sad i never saw the straight up rock version, tbh, but still happy at the idea of seeing this

thomp, Thursday, 31 March 2011 17:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ha, I was supposed to review that show for the Trib, but I handed it over to Althea for a confluence of reasons.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 31 March 2011 18:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

aagh this show was so good!!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 2 April 2011 05:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

i didn't care abt the lyrics sheet - the lyrics are so much like poetry that forgetting some of them seems inevitable imo. anyway, dan is so great who cares.
they did a few older songs too = happiness. esp '3000 flowers', which i love love love

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 2 April 2011 05:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah this was great

peter in montreal, Saturday, 2 April 2011 06:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

though I was slightly disappointed that he didn't kaputtify his older songs more than he did

everything from kaputt was incredible. highlights were (unsurprisingly) suicide demo for kara walker, song for america and bay of pigs

peter in montreal, Saturday, 2 April 2011 06:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

totally. ooh and i picked up the vinyl too and it sounds straight up beautifullll

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 2 April 2011 13:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

holy moly! uk date! so stoked! don't think he's played here before has he?

spellcheck is really advanced these days (cajunsunday), Saturday, 2 April 2011 13:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

he said last night that he's never even visited the UK, outside of Heathrow and that one-off at ATP in 2008ish?

last night's montreal show was WONDERFUL. by far the best Destroyer gig i've ever seen. the music is just so beautiful, everything big and catchy and dancing. dan's as aloof as ever, staring into the middle distance, but man the band is tight and so weirdly charismatic. AMAAAAZING Kaputtified covers of "it's gonna take an airplane", "painter in my pocket" and at least one more.

and BAY OF PIGS as encore!

sean gramophone, Saturday, 2 April 2011 14:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

hate myself for not going

flopson, Saturday, 2 April 2011 19:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

bought tickets this morning

gf thinks kaputt is cheesy (break uppable imo) so basically she doesn't get one

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

nice

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

what's fair is fair.

i will be attending tonight's show at the Middle East.

nerve_pylon, Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh man, didn't even know he was coming to town tonight. i've been missing out on all the cool shows this year. have fun!

markers, Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

wish it was somewhere else though. sound @ Middle East will butcher the dulcet tones of Kaputt. mark my words.

nerve_pylon, Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

rip

markers, Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

So how was Destroyer at Webster Hall last night?

Iago Galdston, Monday, 4 April 2011 21:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

love this record.

don't hear the neil tennant AT ALL. find that a very odd comparison. The super mega comparison for anyone
who knows him is Luke Haines - both in tone and style too occasionally - always wonder whether Bejar is an Auteurs/Luke fan at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgzLq4tZhoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82apZ20aMBI

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Monday, 4 April 2011 22:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

So how was Destroyer at Webster Hall last night?

heard from one friend who loved it but she is sort of a Bejar superfan, so

dmr, Monday, 4 April 2011 23:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

they were great here in Cambridge on Saturday. i had to leave after a handful of songs, however, due to the obnoxious crowd. talking loudly the whole time, texting, taking pictures and blocking my view. it was too hard. youngsters these days.

nerve_pylon, Monday, 4 April 2011 23:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

like that everywhere, eh

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

i know. i think i'm done.

nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

Thanks, Nerve (and dmr). I'm glad I didn't go for the same reason. Too old...if you've seen "Greenberg", that scene at the party captures it very well

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

go to club, pay ticket price, buy drinks, talk loudly, text, check Facebook, and take pictures documenting the band you're not paying attention to.

nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

Just about everyone's more easy going than me, but I don't know how musicians put up with that shit on stage

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

i know!! i'd leave. srsly.

nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

have a few beers and dance

diamonddave85, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 15:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

makes it easy to ignore everyone else

diamonddave85, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 15:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

Belated comment on Chicago show - agree with the feeling old part. Odd sight for me was the 2 early twenties girls drinking wine and grinding on each other during Suicide Demo. Also a young dude was so psyched for Bay of Pigs he was jumping up and down! I was in the front though so maybe it probably wasn't like that further back.

The non-Kaputt songs were so good I wish they had done more just to hear how they would've worked them out. Gonna Take an Airplane totally rocked and Painter in Your Pocket was mostly bass-driven. 3,000 Flowers was more like the album version but also rockin'. That and Bay of Pigs were the ones he took out lyric sheets for, I don't have a problem with it. He's never been that charismatic on stage, except for a solo show in 2009, but yeah the only words he spoke the entire night were "that one was called Kaputt" after the title track and "this is an older one" before 3,000 Flowers. They also had a newly reissued LP of his first cassette Ideas for Songs in case anyone cares.

stingy, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

From the Washington Post review:

The one band member who consistently held back was Bejar himself. The musician (also a member of the New Pornographers) offered his lyrics in a sort of disinterested hipster croon and did little to engage his fans. He spoke only a few words between songs and sometimes disappeared when not singing. He turned his back to the crowd or sank from view altogether, and cloaked his face behind a lyric sheet during “3,000 Flowers’’ and “Bay of Pigs.’’ Onstage, Destroyer’s meandering, jazzy material needs a visual focus, but the singer seemed determined not to provide it. If there were people in the club that hadn’t already taken Destroyer to heart, this performance probably didn’t convert them.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 April 2011 18:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.nyctaper.com/?p=5592

diamonddave85, Saturday, 9 April 2011 05:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

thanks diamond dave--excellent

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 9 April 2011 22:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

nyctaper is a national treasure

diamonddave85, Sunday, 10 April 2011 03:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

all i have from him are pavement's last shows in nyc, which are great too

Iago Galdston, Sunday, 10 April 2011 03:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah nyctaper is kool

k3vin k., Sunday, 10 April 2011 03:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

All that slender-wristed white translucent business
Passes for love these days
Mushhead genius passes for love these days

man this fucking record

Suicide Demo for Kemba Walker (govern yourself accordingly), Sunday, 10 April 2011 05:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

downloading right now

Still my album of the year so far.

Moodles, Monday, 11 April 2011 01:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

totes

saw em tonight

loved it.

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 04:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

tho war on drugs sounded like real estate fronted by bob dylan imo

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 04:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

All that slender-wristed white translucent business
Passes for love these days
Mushhead genius passes for love these days

man this fucking record

― Suicide Demo for Kemba Walker (govern yourself accordingly), Sunday, April 10, 2011 5:25 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark


for a while I thought the line was "Russian genius passes for love these days"... which is maybe even better? or at least more iconoclastic

bernard snowy, Sunday, 24 April 2011 12:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

xpost

I don't begrudge his opinion, but I can't really agree with any of that review. The whole notion that music is improved by being lo-fi just doesn't compute. This album sounds great, not because it draws upon some 80s influences, but rather because it is expertly performed and produced and sounds much better than a lot of the stuff that folks reference in these reviews.

Moodles, Sunday, 24 April 2011 15:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

review is sucky - first for the Sade diss, second for him thinking that "Chasing some girls/Chasing cocaine/Through the backrooms of the world" is an oblique metaphor

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Sunday, 24 April 2011 20:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

awful review but also i keep reading the site's name as "celtic defrost"

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 24 April 2011 22:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

well, it's metaphorical in that the world doesn't literally have backrooms, and that you can't literally chase cocaine, in that it is inanimate, and that when bejar refers to 'chasing some girls' he probably does not mean that he was literally chasing them on foot or in a vehicle

thomp, Monday, 25 April 2011 11:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

can't decide if i like this record or not, someone decide for me

thomp, Monday, 25 April 2011 11:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

you like it, but metaphorically

I'm just shillin, like bob dylan (Edward III), Monday, 25 April 2011 13:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

"the world doesn't literally have backrooms"

wtf

bernard snowy, Monday, 25 April 2011 16:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

'I wish I could fuck every girl in the world' metaphorical because wayne's not literally bringing the girls INSIDE the world to fuck them

bernard snowy, Monday, 25 April 2011 16:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

album of the year

diamonddave85, Monday, 25 April 2011 16:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

cosign on AOTY status; Kaputt is pretty much the only Bejar record in any form that I've ever liked but it is uniformly excellent (especially with "The Laziest River" included in the running order)

you penis-curling she-devils (jamescobo), Monday, 25 April 2011 17:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

he was probably metaphorically splitting hairs there because nobody could actually

http://www.courvo.biz/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/splitting-hairs.jpg

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Monday, 25 April 2011 17:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh, that was poorly expressed. 'backrooms of the world' is vaguely metonymic or synecdochal imo, it functions slightly differently to e.g. 'countries of the world', which more or less = 'rooms of my house'. ymmv etc.

thomp, Monday, 25 April 2011 17:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

this is cool http://www.danielbejar.com/Visual_Topography_of_a_Generation_Gap.html

diamonddave85, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

difft dan bejar iirc

Clay, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.danielbejar.com/Destroyer_1.html hilarious

V79, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

about the googleganger

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2011/03/21/110321ta_talk_sanneh

― Moreno, Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:03 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark

gr8080, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

that cyclic defrost review is terrible

omar little, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

It's weird how this '80s New Romantic-disco style, which seems at first like such a total left-turn for Bejar, ends up fitting him so well. For one thing, his distinctive nasal tenor and loquaciousness seem better suited to an understated singing voice. His loud rock voice, as on his earlier glam-rock albums, could be a bit grating at times. Also, the weird wordless ostinato "la la la" and "da da da" vocal parts that he often used in place of choruses now make more sense as instrumental horn or synth parts. I guess I'm making it sound like I hated his old stuff, which isn't true at all, but this new style does suit him very well.

o. nate, Friday, 6 May 2011 19:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

still LOVING this album. today I realise it sounds a lot like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hxkwaXaGKI

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

live show that nyc taper posted is really great -- i'm glad bejar and band are embracing this sound. They could've easily "rocked up" the arrangements (like when he took Your Blues on the road), but the horns/keyboards work so well in a live setting.

tylerw, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

He looked like he was facing some sort of inner turmoil last night, the band did well to pull the thing together. The latter half of the gig was better. Brass players kind of made the show for me.

mmmm, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 14:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah the band really killed it, esp that sax player, but idk is that how dan bejar always is? didnt really seem happy to be there

just sayin, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 14:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

I saw him in NYC earlier this year. He wasn't the most charismatic performer ever, but he didn't seem to be actively unhappy - just slightly uncomfortable.

o. nate, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 15:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

^all part of the schtick of this record, no? Bejar-as-detached-socialite-voyeur or something...I for one don't want to see him smile his way through 'Suicide Demo for Kara Walker' or 'Chinatown.'

answering_machine, Monday, 24 October 2011 16:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

also, this still stands as AOTY for me.

answering_machine, Monday, 24 October 2011 16:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i've listened to this record *a lot* this year -- my two year old loves it for some reason. and it still hasn't gotten old.

tylerw, Monday, 24 October 2011 16:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

^all part of the schtick of this record, no?

It didn't seem like a shtick to me, but I haven't seen him on other tours. He didn't seem like the kind of natural performer who feeds off the crowd, but maybe he was just nervous - it was a pretty big crowd (full house at Bowery Ballroom).

Also, this record still sounds amazing.

o. nate, Monday, 24 October 2011 17:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

The guy's not a smiler. I think he self-styles after misanthropic literary heroes of his like Thomas Bernhard, etc...

xp record still sounds great. album of the year (not having heard a single other contender!)

Iago Galdston, Monday, 24 October 2011 18:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

he should become a robot like daft punk

⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 24 October 2011 18:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Has anyone else noticed the similarities between Bejar's voice and Amanda Lear's?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxEOFeNzIlM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yDIO0DXKok

_Boldt_, Monday, 24 October 2011 19:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

also, this still stands as AOTY for me.

Michael B, Monday, 24 October 2011 19:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes yes yes still album of the year. i think i've said it on here before but the obvious vocal comparison = luke haines. they are totally the same person split into different nationalities (thus bejar is a lot more positive obviously)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqmLQE6BiwY

Jamie_ATP, Monday, 24 October 2011 20:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Best America-themed album in years? Discuss.

answering_machine, Monday, 24 October 2011 20:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well, no, that would be this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YoeL-GdyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

But it comes damn close.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 24 October 2011 20:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Damn, The Laziest River is really astonishing, isn't it? So cinematic, so epic, so beautifully paced, so beautifully recorded. I wish it went on for hours.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeap, my album of the year as well, nothing has been better

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

also *my* album of the year, tho it's not like i hated all other 2011 music by any means

it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 06:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

still haven't heard laziest river. is it worth getting the vinyl for it?

spellcheck is really advanced these days (cajunsunday), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 11:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes. or the UK/european version of the CD has it.

Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 11:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah absolutely worth it

max, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 12:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

I found it on a blog (might've been posted upthread). It's amazing.

A Lip in the Blandscape (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 12:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

would buy a solo album from that guy

Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 12:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

i just emailed the guy at the website i posted above and asked if its the right ted bois and if hes going to write more stuff like TLR

max, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 13:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Keep us "posted," Max!!!

A Lip in the Blandscape (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 13:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think the album's terrific, but I don't think anything else comes close to the majesty of The Laziest River, so yeah, the vinyl's more than worth it!

Clarke B., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 14:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

the vinyl came with a link to DL a 320kbps of the entire album, including the laziest river, iirc

listening to the vinyl right now, though, dang

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 14:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

bois wrote me back! says hes working and will maybe have new stuff next year! i sent him a link to this thread, too

max, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 19:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Righteous.

A Lip in the Blandscape (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 19:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yall have inspired me to pull this back out after a few months away from it.

Damn, what a great album.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah its basically made me seek out all the destroyer stuff i didn't have, feel a bit of an idiot for not having done so sooner.

Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Great work Max!

Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

best of the year for me too

⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

OK fine -- I'm playing "Savage Night at the Op-eh-RAAAAHHHH"

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

the turn in the weather made me reach for this. not as much of a summer jam

and yeah this is my top pick

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

I haven't heard a lot of albums released this year but this album's my favorite of the ones I've heard.

Euler, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd like to listen my way through all the albums that people have compared this to on this thread. Somehow I've never managed to hear "Avalon" or "Boys and Girls", so maybe those should be next.

o. nate, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh i'm regreting preordering the merge version now. i'll try and get the vinyl.

the videos for kaputt and savage night at the opera are pretty good. the savage night one is a bit of a slog but the pay off makes up for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puu3IvKnSb4&ob=av2e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfuDbWD_PIk&feature=relmfu

spellcheck is really advanced these days (cajunsunday), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 22:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

ha, that's a pretty neat homage to the paris one

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 23:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Whoa! This is the first Destroyer record I haven't listened to a bajillion times.

ste throkes (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 01:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

and this is the first Destroyer album I've listened to a million times.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 01:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^^^^

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 02:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

AOTY for me, too. That smeared trumpet blare is my favorite sound of 2011.

Punned Sheerest, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 02:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Everything I found at best arch and at worst loathsome in Bejar's voice finds its musical correlative here.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 02:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Interesting! I've come to selfishly expect certain things in a Destroyer record, maybe I should re-approach Kaputt with less neediness.

ste throkes (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 02:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

(Not saying I don't love it already, of course)

ste throkes (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 02:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

first album ive heard by the guy tbh

Michael B, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 17:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

First I'd heard by him, too; really like it, enough to have picked up Rubies (awesome guitar playing, great songs) and Your Blues (only arrived today; not listened yet) too.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 17:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Streethawk is probably the most underrated Destroyer album.

o. nate, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

that's weird, that one is usually acknowledged as his best

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

your blues is incredible, though. my second-favorite destroyer record. its his closest to the sound of kaputt while also being something very different.

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

I feel like there are now like two eras of Destroyer fans, those who were around to fall in love with Streethawk back when it came out and, in much larger numbers, those who only came aboard after the massive Rubies acclaim and the New Pornos exposure. I'm guessing Streethawk is considered the best by the former group and underrated by the latter.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

if i were to pick a consistently unacknowledged destroyer record it'd be thief which i consider marginally better than streethawk

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think "kaputt" might be bringing in a new era of destroyer fans, especially per all the people who just said on this thread that they hadn't heard any of his older stuff.

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Okay, well, sure, but I'd argue that the biggest jump in number of fans came post New Pornos and Rubies exposure.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe. regardless, a lot of people might be into kaputt because it has a very distinct sound, and they would likely be disappointed by the lack of that sound on previous albums

i always liked rubies but i have trouble listening to the other stuff. not because it's objectively bad by any means, but because i find his voice cringeworthy in certain contexts and i p much never want to listen to bowie-inspired indie musics from the 2000s

it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C07kT3N5H14

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 20:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

If you want to talk underrated Destroyer records, it's a toss-up between Thief and City of Daughters, the latter of which I'd esp. recommend to anyone who doesn't like the Bejar snarl, his vocal performance on it is subdued, the lyrics are appealing in how formative they sound

ste throkes (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 23:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabZuP0FNQs

ste throkes (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 23:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Listened to this on the way into work this morning and thought it was kinda terrible tbh. God help us if there's a war etc etc.

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 October 2011 11:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

I suppose it's less an issue of the voice with me and more that I found the combination of the production and the songwriting really cloying, but then again this is a problem I have with a lot of North American indie.

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 October 2011 11:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

All this debating over contingents of Destroyer fans has overlooked me and people like me: people who knew about him pre New Pornographers and didn't really like him, didn't really like him in the New Pornographers, didn't really like him live, and generally haven't liked a Destroyer album til this one. Which means he now faces a creative challenge: if you release a breakthrough album, does your follow up once again go a different direction and likely alienate the fans you broke through to or just offer more of the same, but even more of it? I'm not sure where this guy will go with this. On one hand, he has been known to lose interest and wander a la Oldham. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure he enjoys being popular. But maybe not.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 October 2011 12:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm in your camp, Josh, and the only answer I can offer is: who knows?

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 October 2011 12:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

pretty sure he's not gonna wring his hands about that.

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

All this debating over contingents of Destroyer fans has overlooked me and people like me: people who knew about him pre New Pornographers and didn't really like him, didn't really like him in the New Pornographers, didn't really like him live, and generally haven't liked a Destroyer album til this one.

^Me^

In fact this seems one of the biggest contingents for this album. I just think his lyrical approach and voice suits the music/production so perfectly you can't ignore even if your previous knee-jerk was "fuck this guy." I dunno, it's a singular album from him I think...don't think he will repeat it, as is his artistic wont.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

We shall see. I didn't think M83 dude would be all, for my next album, I will make things even bigger and longer and more '80s and cheesier!! Curious what the Phoenix guys are going to do for their big breakthrough follow-up, too.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 October 2011 15:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

@ Matt DC, too bad, I'm disappointed. I love it. It is a record from 1998 (!) though, before everybody's ears got tired of indie rock.

@ everyone else, I understand that Dan's music isn't for everybody, or even half of everybody, and this 'tempered' version of him has appeal to those who didn't like him previously. And I think I'd be on your side of the argument if David Berman suddenly released some slick record.

ste throkes (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 October 2011 15:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

And I think I'd be on your side of the argument if David Berman suddenly released some slick record.

This is pretty on point comparison.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 27 October 2011 15:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

@ Matt DC, too bad, I'm disappointed. I love it. It is a record from 1998 (!) though, before everybody's ears got tired of indie rock.

I thought Matt meant Kaputt?

A Lip in the Blandscape (jaymc), Thursday, 27 October 2011 15:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ah, so, that makes more sense.

ste throkes (Ówen P.), Thursday, 27 October 2011 17:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

does your follow up once again go a different direction and likely alienate the fans you broke through to

I'm sure it will

also the bar is pretty low for "breakthrough album" if Kaputt is one

some people like it ... maybe a few more people than past Destroyer records ... which had a pretty minimal fanbase

I mean I love the dude but

dmr, Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah the hugeness of this album is being a little overstated

one of the most interesting things about bejar is his desire to switch things up on almost every album, I mean he could've gotten years out of making rubies over and over again

the boy with the gorn at his side (Edward III), Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

seemed like trouble in dreams was the first real "holding pattern" album he made -- same group of musicians as rubies, same overall vibe?

tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

ha I totally forgot about that record

the boy with the gorn at his side (Edward III), Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

i kind of forget about it too! though it had some good things on it. it did just feel like a lesser rubies overall.

tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm predicting a reggae inflected follow up to kaputt.

tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think a big breakthrough on Kaputt is the 'less is more' approach to lyrics. Bejar's tended towards the verbose, but on this album he's elliptical, suggestive, laconic. I think it suits him well, so I hope he keeps that aspect of it, whichever direction he goes with the music.

o. nate, Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

there is not a single destroyer song on any of his albums is that is not elliptical, suggestive and laconic

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll grant you elliptical and suggestive but laconic?

o. nate, Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

imo

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll go with less verbose tho "suicide demo" and "bay of pigs" are pretty sprawling

the boy with the gorn at his side (Edward III), Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's kinda like he went from being ck williams to being frank o'hara

the boy with the gorn at his side (Edward III), Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

there's a sloppiness in his earlier works that got beaten out of kaputt, his style is more offhanded and poised than drunkenly overwhelming

the boy with the gorn at his side (Edward III), Thursday, 27 October 2011 18:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah bejar is laconic except when he isn't - he slips into stream-of-consciousness pretty effortlessly at times

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm predicting a reggae inflected follow up to kaputt.

that would be p dope

http://www.rfimusique.com/musiqueen/images/article/10150.jpg

dmr, Thursday, 27 October 2011 20:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, wrote that as a joke, but now i can kind of imagine it. and it sounds great!

tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2011 20:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

self-reported demographic info:
I'm one of those who got on the bandwagon with Rubies after being a Pornos fan for a few years—was instantly converted by that album (tho these days it's not my favorite of his), was mildly disappointed by Dreams (meh initially, but it's risen in my estimation as Rubies has fallen—it may be 'Rubies pt.2' but they also counterbalance each other nicely—and "Shooting Rockets" is just amazing, much darker than anything on Rubies+sort of pointing in the 'sprawling/epic' direction), love Kaputt

having slowly worked my way through most of the back-catalog (I only just sought out Your Blues and Streethawk earlier this year), I think there are at least three stone-cold masterpieces (Streethawk, Rubies, and KaputtYour Blues may eventually crack this list but probably not until late winter, at the earliest)

I haven't listened to Thief or City of Daughters, and for the moment I don't really feel a pressing need to. but it's nice to know they're there for my future enjoyment!

bernard snowy, Thursday, 27 October 2011 20:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

guy's got such a varied discog it's not surprising there are so many diff takes. until kaputt came along, my opinion of destroyer was your blues is near perfection and then a handful of good cuts on the other records.

the boy with the gorn at his side (Edward III), Thursday, 27 October 2011 21:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've heard the last four as they've been released and nothing before that. I'd rank them Kaputt > Rubies > Your Blues > Trouble in Dreams.

Never really got into the NPs -- my favorite songs of theirs are the Bejar-sung ones like "Jackie Dressed in Cobras" and "Myriad Harbour."

A Lip in the Blandscape (jaymc), Thursday, 27 October 2011 21:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah sorry Owen I was talking about the album, I didn't listen to the link, although I love a load of stuff that Kaputt is evidently inspired by.

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 October 2011 21:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

+1 for another destroyer newbie loving kaputt (probably AOTY for me). i've been stanning hard for this album since january and a number of my friends came around to it at their own pace. in fact, i got this email 4 days ago:

Yo Dave.

I've been listening to the Destroyer album that you mentioned to me a while ago (Kaputt). I think it's pretty great, and have been listening to it a lot lately, so I wanted to say: "Thanks!".

∞th-wave ska (diamonddave85), Thursday, 27 October 2011 21:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

ive played this album for friends and they immediately love it....which is unusual.

Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I want him to go full-on Robert Palmer next.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 2 November 2011 00:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^^
something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1UBS5ZL7Hs

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 00:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

He's somewhat limited without a ton of stage presence and/or charisma, no?

I'd prefer something more in line with his Gap Band cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZyD_b3xSzI&feature=related

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 00:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like that one too.

The single version of "Hyperactive" has three fourths of Chic as his backing band.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 01:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

@Matt DC, I got it after the fact! Quick to post, slow to think

...options. (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 01:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR85bAxCX6M

Number None, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

The most interesting comment posted in response to Christgau's review.

Really, Kaputt is so soupy and indirect I don't think comparisons-sans-qua​lifiers to the songful, emotional culture of definitive 80s British music, bad or good, is anything but identifying the forest before you've really gotten a good look at the trees. First off, Roddy Frame, Paddy McAloon and "Black Man Ray" were all trying to communicate things about actual human emotions, with specifics Bejar never bothers with and emotions he has no interest in. Secondly, all three bore an adherence to short, sharp popforms on their sleeves, which allowed each to make the kind of dent in radio Bejar seems totally disinterested in. I think Bejar himself had it right when he threw out Boys and Girls in his arcane press release -- a loungey aural pillow with no pretense of humanity from a prickly alien fantasy of an aging, wearied glam-rock lothario. And citing Neil Tennant, though feyness is a virtue for both, belies the fact that Neil gets through to everybody with a heart via incisive wit and covert emotion, and Bejar's voice only really hits arch, glammy, renny weirdos. So take it then as Boys and Girls with Al Stewart singing over it, since all Al ever was was Neil's dryer, drabber antecedent.

And though the clamor toward comparisons (I saw the phrase "Kenny G meets the Style Council" -- flatteringly! -- in a typically bad one) makes up the bulk of Kaputt's published praise, that's just because sonic departure (and all Bejar's records sound a little different, which is probably where the Bowie stuff comes from since Streethawk sounds nothing like Ziggy) is the only thing really perking the interests of people who have zero no interest in going gaga over one more Dan Bejar record, and who certainly wouldn't begin to know how to differentiate this one's content from that of the last, much less articulate it. I love him myself, but not because I think he's a genius or even because Destroyer particularly compels me -- it's because his obligation toward concise popform and surface melody in the New Pornographers has yielded a kind of hard-fey model that appeals very much to a kid who grew up idolizing dapper Disney villain sidekicks, 18th century attire and the notion of a heterosexual Joel Grey, and I'm forever searching for that ideal in records whose words are never layered or clever enough to evoke Dylan and whose melodies are never as ebullient as I wish they were. But I've come to love Bejar for merely doing what he does, which is different than what everybody else does, over and over and over despite its inability to fit snugly into any facet of pop's critical model.

So since, again, most criticism I've read about Kaputt so far hinges on how it deliberately sounds like a dream memory of the 80s, and how cool/uncool that is, Christgau in his infinite wisdom is the first person I've seen to craft two lines of any aptitude about the project: "Mix in a smoove groove suitable for deflecting others' disinterest in one's historical anomie and you have intelligent lounge music for 21st-century depressives" and "this is how the pleasure principle feels to an alienated depressive resigned to engaging the world on his own perverse terms". These are the answers all those internet kids were looking for before they decided to just rave out their general observations, and the only common conclusions anybody's likely (much less supposed) to find in Kaputt.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think that Christgau review is pretty weak, not to mention repetitive. In one short paragraph, he twice uses the phrases: "lacks the heart and chops", "historical anomie" and "depressive". I hear lots of heart and chops, and Bejar doesn't sound very depressed on "Blue Eyes", for instance.

o. nate, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 22:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

The Dean's least attractive routine, playing armchair shrink, he did the same thing although much harsher with GBV (and their fans!).

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

GBV deserve nothing less

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

He did the same thing with Adele too: "I can feel a down-to-earth plus-size who touches women who look a lot more like her than like Beyoncé or Katy Perry" - uh, maybe people like her for other reasons than her figure?

o. nate, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

I heard these songs on the radio a lot this year and they didn't do anything for me but suddenly this very moving. if I never liked the new pornographers should I bother w/ any of the rest of his stuff?

iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

suddenly finding this*

iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, listen to 'rubies'

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

If the New Pornos sounded like Bejar's pre-Kaputt material I'd never have given this record a chance.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 January 2012 18:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Also try "Your Blues".

MarkoP, Friday, 27 January 2012 18:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

What radio are you listening to that plays Destroyer a lot?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

college radio

iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sigh. I wish Chicago had better college radio options.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

i listened to 'destroyers rubies' after getting into 'kaputt' and i loved it. its more like 'heaven is a truck' or 'five years' than the 80's soft rock and sophistipop feel of 'kaputt'.

Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think "Your Blues" is the closest thing in his catalogue to this record

Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

nyc has pretty shitty college radio actually, but we listen to the university of washington's station at work via internet

iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

nyc radio so bad it's not even funny

iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

cosign the similarities between your blues and kaputt

the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

This was the first Bejar I got into, bought Rubies shortly after and love that just as much.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 28 January 2012 07:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Anyone into this who hasn't heard the vinyl bonus track "The Laziest River" or, especially, his collaboration with Tim Hecker "Archer on the Beach" really should check it out. I love Kaputt but those two songs took things to another level for me.

AnotherDeadHero, Saturday, 28 January 2012 11:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

his collaboration with Tim Hecker "Archer on the Beach"

Whhhaaaat

Number None, Saturday, 28 January 2012 12:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah I had NO idea about that either, just googled it!

http://stereogum.com/564282/destroyer-archer-on-the-beach-feat-tim-hecker-stereogum-premiere/mp3s/

future debts collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 28 January 2012 12:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

the cover art to that and Bay of Pigs are sweet. can imagine having them up on a wall. also: kaputt.

http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2009/08/destroyer-bay_of_pigs.jpg
http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2010/11/Destroyer-Archer-On-The-Beach.jpg
http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2011/01/Destroyer-Kaputt.jpg

kid steel (cajunsunday), Saturday, 28 January 2012 13:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

His hair is unFerryesque though...

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 January 2012 13:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Has anyone heard/loved the live version of "It's Gonna Take an Airplane"--sped up and with a bassline straight out of "All Along the Watchtower"? His show was easily the best I saw in 2011.

BubbaM, Saturday, 28 January 2012 14:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Blow Monkeys.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 6 February 2012 10:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

saw him on the rubies tour and "it's gonna take an airplane" was the highlight of a pretty boring set

wish I had checked out a recent show cuz he's more interesting the further he strays from a standard rock band format

I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Monday, 6 February 2012 15:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

seeing Destroyer tonight at Brooklyn Masonic Temple, w/ full band and still doing the Kaputt material I think, should be good

missed them last year at Webster Hall

dmr, Monday, 18 June 2012 16:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

A buddy said they killed it Sat night in DC.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 June 2012 17:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

sweet

dmr, Monday, 18 June 2012 18:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

I found this J. F*scher Washington City Paper interview with Dan interesting (although I have not read many interviews with him)

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2012/06/15/once-you-break-with-rock-music-its-hard-to-find-your-feet-again-a-chat-with-destroyers-dan-bejar/

This band that I am going on tour with is different from the one that toured last year for Kaputt, and for the first time ever, [we're] kind of consciously trying to learn a bunch of back-catalog stuff in addition to stuff from the new record. We probably know twice as many songs as any Destroyer formation has ever learned. And doing that, it’s interesting to see how the older songs knock up against the new ones. They’re a fair bit different, but I guess I see it outside of thematics. It’s really noticeable in the sense of space on the Kaputt songs, in, like, an effort to flatten out as many chord changes as possible. There’s a vocal delivery required in the older songs that seems divorced from the way I was singing on the Kaputt record.

...

I don’t know what I’m cast off into from Kaputt, but it seems to be a kind of void or something. Once you break with rock music, the kind of music I listened to for so long, it’s hard to find your feet again. [Laughs] I don’t know, I’m really enjoying playing with the group, more than I ever have, but at the same time I feel more distant from rock music, or even pop music, more than I ever have. It’s weird. Maybe Kaputt was like the kiss-off.

curmudgeon, Monday, 18 June 2012 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, that show in dc was tremendous - great versions of "suicide demo," "bay of pigs" as the encore, etc. i dunno if i'd describe the way they perform as emotionally detached, exactly, but it isn't far off - it was kind of interesting to watch them play the older, more self-consciously clever stuff ("english music," notably) with that kind of demeanor

scream blahula scream (govern yourself accordingly), Monday, 18 June 2012 19:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah I'm curious to hear what non-Kaputt stuff they'll play and how it will come off

dmr, Monday, 18 June 2012 19:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he played a new song at the dc show. Third song in the set with a "be my baby" beat? Anyone recognize this?

Moreno, Monday, 18 June 2012 19:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

saw them a couple weeks back in portland. just an amazing show. was blown away most by "rubies" as the closer iirc.

Clay, Monday, 18 June 2012 20:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

is 'english music' really more 'self-consciously clever' than anything on kaputt?? what a weird notion

thomp, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 13:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes it is

hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 13:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

"write your english music, run free" is as self-consciously clever as good music gets

hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 13:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

european blues

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 13:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

This band that I am going on tour with is different from the one that toured last year for Kaputt,

Interesting, because the press release line, via Merge and others, is that this is the Kaputt band. Who is different?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 13:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

how was the sound at brooklyn masonic? the shows i've seen there have sounded pretty poor.

mizzell, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 14:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't really understand what separates 'english music' from 'song for america'. i feel like if anything kaputt is more self-conscious. or at least more difficult to parse or reduce, which seems 'cleverer' to me.

thomp, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 14:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

how was the sound at brooklyn masonic? the shows i've seen there have sounded pretty poor.

I thought it sounded great. it's the first time I've been to the venue so I don't have anything to compare it to. a friend said the sound was much better than the last time she was there.

the show was excellent imo. would have liked to hear English Music or something else from Streethawk or This Night, but we did get three tracks from Rubies (European Oils, Looter's Follies, Rubies) that sounded amazing. better than on the Rubies tour. horn section gave it this collapsing, wasted cabaret vibe that I was really into. Looter's Follies was probably the show highlight for me.

the show opened with Your Blues (which starts out a cappella, pretty striking), there was also a new track that was listed on the setlist as Heartswarms

from Kaputt I think they played the title track, Downtown, Kara Walker, Blue Eyes, and Savage Night

Bejar was the most comfortable and non-stage-fright-y as I've ever seen him I think.

dmr, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Heartswarm is a Swan Lake song.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

ah, thanks. I've only heard Beast Moans, not the second one.

dmr, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Cool thx.

Zing Can Really Hang You Up the Most (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:54 (six years ago) Permalink

i'm actually a little embarrassed by how much i liked that

catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 5 August 2012 22:08 (six years ago) Permalink

literally watching the end of the party through smoke

○ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 August 2012 22:44 (six years ago) Permalink

time itself is unable to decay the classic from this album

omar little, Monday, 6 August 2012 02:58 (six years ago) Permalink

was just listening to part of this today. still so good

k3vin k., Monday, 6 August 2012 03:02 (six years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

This is pretty much an Al Stewart album. Not bad.

Wow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN3-0zbJrgU

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2012 15:43 (six years ago) Permalink

i haven't listened to this since EOY lists last year.

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 20 December 2012 15:44 (six years ago) Permalink

still love this album, pretty much all of it. and uh yeah, otm about al stewart!

tylerw, Thursday, 20 December 2012 15:49 (six years ago) Permalink

holds up well

Time Passages >>> Year of the Cat

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2012 15:49 (six years ago) Permalink

Al is awesome. so is Kaputt, still. still listening to it tooooooons and recent live show was fantastic.

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:31 (six years ago) Permalink

i had never heard of al stewart before, but thx thread!

well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Thursday, 20 December 2012 18:42 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Shintaro Sakamoto's "How to Live With a Phantom" kinda has a Kaputt thing goin on, I like it. Solo record by the ex lead singer of Yura Yura Teikoku on Other Music's record label.

dmr, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:15 (six years ago) Permalink

not as world-weary though. but mad smooth.

dmr, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:20 (six years ago) Permalink

kaputt is still so fucking good

bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:23 (six years ago) Permalink

yup, definitely one of my favorite records from the last years.
saw them live in a small club a few months ago and it was so good.
is there a new record on the way ?

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 24 January 2013 12:11 (six years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

i was ripped on dope, you were a ray of sunshine

markers, Friday, 19 July 2013 03:56 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

yes !
I would have preferred original material though.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 12 September 2013 15:01 (five years ago) Permalink

excited for anything this dude does but seems kinda weird

sing, all ye shitizens of slumerica (k3vin k.), Thursday, 12 September 2013 15:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Destroyer will embark on a solo acoustic tour in November, and tickets are selling fast. This will be your last chance to see Destroyer live until 2015! A full list of dates is below.

if i'm only in to kaputt, is this worth going to see?

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Thursday, 12 September 2013 15:07 (five years ago) Permalink

yes because you should be into more than kaputt

sing, all ye shitizens of slumerica (k3vin k.), Thursday, 12 September 2013 15:14 (five years ago) Permalink

if i'm only in to kaputt, is this worth going to see?

for you -- probably not? hard to say what it will be until he starts doing the shows.

I'm a fan of pretty much everything he's done though ... think I'm gonna go to the Bowery Ballroom show.

I'd imagine if he plays anything from Kaputt it would be in a radically different form.

dmr, Thursday, 12 September 2013 15:20 (five years ago) Permalink

just checked and its almost sold out, but is also walking distance from my house... i will keep you guys updated.

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Thursday, 12 September 2013 15:27 (five years ago) Permalink

going

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 12 September 2013 23:35 (five years ago) Permalink

When is it?

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 13 September 2013 00:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh I see

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 13 September 2013 00:09 (five years ago) Permalink

kaputt's such an incredible record (my favourite of the decade) that I'm scared to listen to anything else he's ever done. Am I cutting my nose off to spite my face here?

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 13 September 2013 00:14 (five years ago) Permalink

his other work is not really like kaputt in terms of mood or atmosphere but i mean, if you like his voice, his humor, his lyricism, there's plenty to like. the malkmus comparisons used to get thrown around a lot more often but it really is true in a lot of ways

sing, all ye shitizens of slumerica (k3vin k.), Friday, 13 September 2013 00:16 (five years ago) Permalink

where do I go next? shout out an album and I'll grab it.

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 13 September 2013 00:20 (five years ago) Permalink

"destroyer's rubies" is the consensus choice i think, or at least it was until kaputt came out

sing, all ye shitizens of slumerica (k3vin k.), Friday, 13 September 2013 00:22 (five years ago) Permalink

I feel like Your Blues is the most tonally similar to Kaputt. It's from 03 or 04 but a lot of the ideas in it are ones he returns to on Kaputt, and it's the least "indie rock"-feeling albums of his the pre-Kaputt work.

Clay, Friday, 13 September 2013 00:42 (five years ago) Permalink

None of his other records are mixed to "fighting form" imo. Kind of never seemed necessary to my ears, his lines have always been too good to need Kaputt's sheen. "Your Blues" is my favourite but it sounds like a Kevin Blechdom record. "Rubies" is pretty classic, great vocal delivery.

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2013 00:51 (five years ago) Permalink

I have to say that Streethawk and This Night are my two favorites behind Kaputt, which I guess isn't consensus but check them both out.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Friday, 13 September 2013 02:42 (five years ago) Permalink

Another vote for Streethawk

I Am the Cosimo Code (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 13 September 2013 02:55 (five years ago) Permalink

Kaputt #1

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Friday, 13 September 2013 03:31 (five years ago) Permalink

kaputt > streethawk

zingon grammar (Treeship), Friday, 13 September 2013 03:31 (five years ago) Permalink

Streethawk and Rubies.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 13 September 2013 05:37 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah Rubies is great.

Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Friday, 13 September 2013 10:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Such a great sound to Rubies, awesome guitar tone, great drums. All his records sound really good, even if the midi one is a bit weird.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 13 September 2013 10:40 (five years ago) Permalink

I'd say Streethawk, Your Blues, Rubies and Kaputt are the essential Destroyer albums. Pretty much every album (except maybe for his very early stuff, which I never really got into) has its moments though.

If you like Kaputt, check out "Shooting Rockets" off of Troube in Dreams. Seems like an early attempt at the kind of stuff he would end up doing on Kaputt.

silverfish, Friday, 13 September 2013 13:54 (five years ago) Permalink

Rubies is the only other one besides Kaputt that I've really enjoyed. Haven't really been able to connect with the others.

Moodles, Friday, 13 September 2013 14:15 (five years ago) Permalink

"City of Daughters" is so underrated

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2013 16:04 (five years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

A new song is up!

https://soundcloud.com/mergerecords/destroyer-el-rito/

What do people make of it? Is anyone familiar with Sr. Chinarro?

will.i.an (cajunsunday), Monday, 7 October 2013 17:39 (five years ago) Permalink

that's rubbish. i am not sure but maybe the only spanish music that works for me is flamenco. it has also the advantage that it doesn't have lyrics. spanish singing usually turns me off, more than most other languages, i don't know why.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:48 (five years ago) Permalink

Wow, there are so many interesting wrong things in that post

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:53 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Okay, so this album has suddenly clicked. I think when it came out there was a lot of anti-retro sentiment flying around and I became too caught-up in this record's reference points and influences to really enjoy it properly. Kind of loving it now.

a beef supreme (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 11:38 (five years ago) Permalink

been bumping this again (total winter album yeah?) and it holds up soooooo well, there are no words..... new (spanish-language) EP out today soundin good to me too

Not A Good Cook (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 11:58 (five years ago) Permalink

lol dl weren't you the one who started the thread about how strange it was that ILM liked this more than pj harvey

乓乒 (gr8080), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 12:06 (five years ago) Permalink

heh, i don't think i started the thread (could be wrong). i remember mucking in a bit at the time of the lists that year but mostly it was getting in the spirit of EOY ruck fever (and really liking Let England Shake obv).

a beef supreme (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 12:13 (five years ago) Permalink

ah i was wrong so tell me, why is Kaputt better or worse than Let England Shake?

a beef supreme (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 12:14 (five years ago) Permalink

;)

乓乒 (gr8080), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 12:15 (five years ago) Permalink

god that actually feels like a long time ago in music terms even if it was only less than 2 years ago. feels like lots has changed since then, which is a good thing as i felt like the wider music schema didn't seem to be moving a whole lot from my POV.

a beef supreme (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 12:16 (five years ago) Permalink

funny that people are calling this a "cold" record. I see what they mean, there's a clinical production 'sheen' and a distance to it, but it's also so WARM sounding. You know how 'Being Boring' by PSB sounds like getting into a car and putting the heating on on a cold day?

a beef supreme (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 12:22 (five years ago) Permalink

this is a pure balearic shores on a warm evening record IMO

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 13:06 (five years ago) Permalink

Destroyer's Kaputt is a truly timeless record; its music the score for all seasons.

乓乒 (gr8080), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 13:53 (five years ago) Permalink

the last time I was really into Kaputt was summer 2012; before that, winter 2010-1; now it's winter 2013-4... maybe I'm just on an 18-month cycle

Not A Good Cook (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 14:10 (five years ago) Permalink

... but when I get a "winter" vibe off the album it's from e.g. the long instrumental intros to "Kara Walker" or "Bay of Pigs" (yes I know these are two tracks that least belong to the album proper)—a sadness like wind, whose coldness & passage across your face are more important than whatever baggage (leaves/trash/snow) it happens to be dragging around the parking lot

Not A Good Cook (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 14:17 (five years ago) Permalink

also: "Poor in Love" chiming gtr reminds me of some other song that I associate with New Year's—maybe a confused subconscious U2 association?

Not A Good Cook (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 14:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Destroyer's Kaputt is a truly timeless record; its music the score for all seasons.

― 乓乒 (gr8080), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:53 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:33 (five years ago) Permalink

People really LOVE this album, eh? I am def coming round to it but still not sure it's CLASSIC yet.

a beef supreme (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:41 (five years ago) Permalink

ILM Albums Polls POLLED

乓乒 (gr8080), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:48 (five years ago) Permalink

Saw Bejar solo last week -- totally good show, though actually a bit light on Kaputt tunes (I think just "downtown" and "chinatown").

tylerw, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:52 (five years ago) Permalink

listening to Five Spanish Songs via Spotify right now. i can see why we really haven't talked about it. it's fine and all but nothing as great as his other stuff.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 04:46 (five years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

a truly fantastic album.

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Monday, 10 March 2014 17:47 (five years ago) Permalink

hey, mystic prince of the purlieu at night!

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 March 2014 17:52 (five years ago) Permalink

just chiming in to agree, gr80

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 10 March 2014 17:55 (five years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/Yqf8sGT.gif

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Monday, 10 March 2014 18:03 (five years ago) Permalink

~sounds smash hits melody maker nme all sound like a dream to me~

chive on you crazy diamond (diamonddave85), Monday, 10 March 2014 18:10 (five years ago) Permalink

'i write poetry for myself i write poetry for myself...'

Frederik B, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:12 (five years ago) Permalink

awesome album and embarrassing to the rest of us that it's his fifth or sixth best

continually topping myself (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 10 March 2014 18:22 (five years ago) Permalink

I was bathed in golden sunlight, alright?

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Monday, 10 March 2014 18:31 (five years ago) Permalink

in with the jazz flute before Bill Callahan

POO: the blossom or full flower of the evening (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 10 March 2014 18:54 (five years ago) Permalink

I thumbed through the books on your shelf

nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 02:28 (five years ago) Permalink

in a pinch
in the sky
in your eye

Clay, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 02:32 (five years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

finally got the vinyl so I can hear this laziest river business

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 20 June 2014 15:23 (four years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

truly a record for all seasons

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 11:32 (four years ago) Permalink

still one of my favourite albums of the last x years.
is there a new one planned ?

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 11:34 (four years ago) Permalink

From December 2013 interview:

"In 2014, I'm going to try and make a record! Hopefully I'll have something done by the end of the year."

So fingers crossed

groovypanda, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 13:01 (four years ago) Permalink

eheh, thanks. that sounds like a plan !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:10 (four years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't expect it to sound like Kaputt though

nostormo, Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:29 (four years ago) Permalink

I'd be very happy with more ambient disco explorations and spoken word ruminations.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 3 October 2014 07:16 (four years ago) Permalink

five Spanish songs was pretty great

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Friday, 3 October 2014 12:12 (four years ago) Permalink

it's no Kaputt though

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Friday, 3 October 2014 12:13 (four years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

https://soundcloud.com/destroyerband/dream-lover

jamiesummerz, Thursday, 21 May 2015 14:59 (four years ago) Permalink

yesss

ink on all the streetlights (cajunsunday), Thursday, 21 May 2015 15:18 (four years ago) Permalink

huh a new version of Archer on the Beach is going to be on this

ufo, Thursday, 21 May 2015 15:25 (four years ago) Permalink

I enjoyed this

silverfish, Thursday, 21 May 2015 15:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Is the beginning of this "Jungleland" or what?

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 21 May 2015 15:50 (four years ago) Permalink

like this song a lot
kind of OD'd on kaputt, but feel like i could go back to it now...

tylerw, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:05 (four years ago) Permalink

I love this song.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:43 (four years ago) Permalink

aw shit, here comes the sun.

ink on all the streetlights (cajunsunday), Thursday, 21 May 2015 20:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Love it. Also, the first verse is parodying Springsteen lyrics, right?

'Dream lover, I know
Someone's idea of fun
You and me, thoughts on city
Lovers on the run'

You and me, thoughts on city... That's pretty much every Springsteen/Hold Steady lyric ever.

Frederik B, Thursday, 21 May 2015 22:50 (four years ago) Permalink

not a Mariah Carey cover :(

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 May 2015 23:00 (four years ago) Permalink

I'd like to hear him hit Mariah's high note in that one!

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 21 May 2015 23:23 (four years ago) Permalink

The bassline from Cemetery Gates is in there somewhere, right?

Frederik B, Friday, 22 May 2015 00:13 (four years ago) Permalink

kinda disappointing that he's lost interest in the 'pop' of kaputt

ufo, Monday, 25 May 2015 06:24 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm the opposite, all the dour-and-not-pop stuff in this interview is making me quite optimistic about this new record (I didn't care for Kaputt)

moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Monday, 25 May 2015 13:08 (four years ago) Permalink

I loved Kaputt, by far the best he's done imo, but it was great in a way that could be done with a lot of different sounds. I love Dream Lover as well, so I have hope.

Frederik B, Monday, 25 May 2015 13:12 (four years ago) Permalink

I love Kaputt and don't expect him to repeat it (or me to care about the band again).

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 May 2015 13:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Alfred, did you hear Five Spanish Songs? not sure how it would play to someone who actually understands the lyrics, but I found it an interesting companion piece to Kaputt sonically

Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Monday, 25 May 2015 14:05 (four years ago) Permalink

Kaputt is easily my favourite, and Dream Lover keeps the feel of the band from Kaputt despite kinda returning to his usual 70's-ish style so I'm quite hopeful. The press release mentions Prefab Sprout etc. which I know were a big influence on Kaputt so if that's still evident it'll be nice.

ufo, Monday, 25 May 2015 14:17 (four years ago) Permalink

bernard: I have. It's pretty!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 May 2015 14:31 (four years ago) Permalink

What originally got me hooked on Destroyer was how spot on the Ziggy Stardust sound was on Streethawk, so I'm pretty thrilled this record goes for "70s Springsteen/Bowie street-rock".

@frederik
You and me, thoughts on city
Lovers on the run

is hilarious as Springsteen parody

niels, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 11:49 (four years ago) Permalink

I would watch a true detective with Dan bejar saying shit like "beware the company you reside in" over and over while Blake Shelton is like wtf man

Heez, Sunday, 31 May 2015 17:21 (four years ago) Permalink

"We've been told you still fly into rages at the mention of Christine White's name. You want to tell us what that's about?"

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 1 June 2015 15:41 (four years ago) Permalink

Re that Pitchfork interview, kinda wish he was as tough on Jessica Pratt whom he praises, as he is on Taylor Swift. But he is who he is.

curmudgeon, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:08 (four years ago) Permalink

oh god that interview. love it/hate it/love it.

"PF: There are a few songs on Poison Season that are among the poppiest Destroyer songs you’ve ever made."

DB: Yeah, I know. I apologize for those songs; those songs are aberrations."

jamiesummerz, Monday, 1 June 2015 16:56 (four years ago) Permalink

Pitchfork interview is cool, he comes off as a real character!

Over the last 11 years or so, I’ve mostly just listened to Van Morrison, Joni Mitchell, and Bob Dylan.

Hehe...

http://pitchfork.com/features/interviews/9651-accidental-pop-a-conversation-with-destroyers-dan-bejar/

niels, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 16:22 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

New track:

https://soundcloud.com/destroyerband/girl-in-a-sling#t=0:00

groovypanda, Monday, 13 July 2015 20:45 (three years ago) Permalink

some discussion already over at Destroyer - Poison Season

Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Monday, 13 July 2015 23:14 (three years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

can we make a list of albums that are very similar to kaputt but not kaputt?

1) Roxy Music - Avalon

niels, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 12:50 (three years ago) Permalink

2)Al Stewart- Year of the Cat

Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 19:36 (three years ago) Permalink

prefab sprout -- steve mcqueen

a lil bit at least

jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man

MarkoP, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:58 (three years ago) Permalink

The Blue Nile - Hats

tayto fan (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 21:29 (three years ago) Permalink

in the kaputt vs. let england shake thread there's a lot of great posts about how this record def contains sophistopop references but also takes them a step further, sounding like an idiosyncratic contemporary of these records that was never made at the time

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 21:47 (three years ago) Permalink

actually possibly no posts in that thread said that and i'm paraphrasing them incorrectly but: there are a lot of great posts in that thread

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 21:48 (three years ago) Permalink

that was a good thread.

some fun trolling and beef too e.g. flopson and aero

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 02:33 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm sure I wrote in this thread that Kaputt evokes sophisti-pop, but I was wrong: it's a histrionic Robert Wyatt album.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 02:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Isn't Comicopera already a histrionic Robert Wyatt album?

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 02:53 (three years ago) Permalink

compared to Kaputt it's Apollo: Atmospheres and Soundtracks.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 02:56 (three years ago) Permalink

weird, I just decided to explore sophisti-pop today and the list of ten essential albums I found had "Kaputt" on it (as well as "Avalon" and "Steve McQueen")

Ina-Garten-Da-Vida (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 04:06 (three years ago) Permalink

It's not as ostentatious about it as some of the above examples but I think Rickie Lee Jones' The Magazine arguably belongs here as well.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 04:08 (three years ago) Permalink

what does histrionic mean? dramatic? kaputt's pretty low key though? robert wyatt - hmm feel like Croz' remark on VU: too dramatic

anyway, sophistipop and yacht rock suggestions welcome, blue nile and late Cohen nice too

niels, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 10:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Fleetwood Mac - Tango in the Night

Neil S, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 10:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Good one. Will have to check out the Prefab Sprout too, have come across that recommendation before.

There's something luxurious, melancholic, inoffensively beautiful about Kaputt that I guess makes everybody I know love it.

niels, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 10:52 (three years ago) Permalink

New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies is an obvious reference point though not the same sophisti-pop vibe.

Was surprised to see he'd name-checked Screamadelica, but you can hear the influence in the drums in a few places (Song for America, Kaputt) I guess.

ufo, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 11:59 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxOL77KMcd8

This is pretty great--Bejar even cracks a couple of jokes!

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 18:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Does John Martyn ever get included in the sophistipop canon?

Heez, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:30 (three years ago) Permalink

not really like Kaputt as such but i love this slice of sophistipop (in a slightly glum Sunday evening in Surrey kinda vein). also has the wonderful lyric "and i close my eyes....with my eyelids"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w3deHdO0R4

tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 23 November 2015 18:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Xpost - Martyn probably makes it for some of his post-peak work like Grace and Danger (which I love). One World has some perfectly appropriate songs but feels a bit too willfully eclectic?

Tim F, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:58 (three years ago) Permalink

some fun trolling and beef too e.g. flopson and aero

― Tim F, Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:33 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fondly remember this beef

flopson, Monday, 23 November 2015 21:12 (three years ago) Permalink

lol aw when flopson called him an unfun crank and aero said i'm sorry

k3vin k., Monday, 23 November 2015 21:21 (three years ago) Permalink

:'-)

Tim F, Monday, 23 November 2015 21:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Xpost - Martyn probably makes it for some of his post-peak work like Grace and Danger (which I love). One World has some perfectly appropriate songs but feels a bit too willfully eclectic?

I've only gone as far as One World so excited for the other two recommendations. "Sweet Little Mystery" strikes me as a perfect sophistipop song

Heez, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:04 (three years ago) Permalink

"Grace and Danger" is actually just one album btw. Stuff after that might also be good but that's as far as I have gone.

Tim F, Monday, 23 November 2015 23:08 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah "Sweet Little Mystery" is the song from One World I was thinking of, "Small Hours" for avant-sophisto.

Tim F, Monday, 23 November 2015 23:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Hang on....Grace and Danger is his peak!

yugi ex, Monday, 23 November 2015 23:14 (three years ago) Permalink

one world is my favorite martyn record, it feels like it's going in every direction at once. "small hours" crushes me

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 23 November 2015 23:23 (three years ago) Permalink

Hang on....Grace and Danger is his peak!

― yugi ex, Monday, November 23, 2015 11:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I should have put "peak" in inverted commas. I think it's fabulous but it's not (or doesn't seem to be) feted in the way that a lot of the 70s albums are - also meant to say "Sweet Little Mystery" is the song from Grace and Danger I was thinking of first and foremost.

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 00:31 (three years ago) Permalink

Ah, I've been listening to the "Bless the Weather" comp and looking at my favorites from there, it would be a tough choice btwn Grace & Danger or One World. I've never seen a John Martyn thread on ilx! The vocal part on "Small Hours" is basically heaven.

Heez, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 01:49 (three years ago) Permalink

One World contains some truly awesome compass point aqua funk

brimstead, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 01:52 (three years ago) Permalink

"Big Muff" is amazing and completely singular but (in part because of that) I don't think I'd describe it as sophistipop.

I also listen to Inside Out heaps and heaps, which strangely doesn't seem to get talked about very much.

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 03:33 (three years ago) Permalink

"Big Muff"

niels, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 10:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, that too.

Tim F, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 10:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Danish band Liss have a sophistipop thing going, more on "Always" than "Try", but "Try" is great too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qXPPHhs6nk

niels, Saturday, 28 November 2015 11:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Does Thomas Dolby fit the sophisti-pop handle? The Flat Earth is pretty damn fine. It's Immaterial's Song is excellent, too.

Poacher (Chinaski), Saturday, 28 November 2015 13:33 (three years ago) Permalink

(Thomas Dolby also produced three Prefab Sprout records, including Steve McQueen)

lazyitis, Sunday, 29 November 2015 06:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Not quite as luxurious and sophisticated as Kaputt or Avalon, but still quite enjoyable: China Crisis Flaunt the Imperfection and What Price Paradise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBpbpxjSzZo

lazyitis, Sunday, 29 November 2015 06:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Just discovered Gigi Masin. I'm only on the album opener from "Talk To The Sea" (2015), but I'm already impressed. Echoes of Tea In The Sahara-era Sting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iq6vNW6Bh4

pplasma, Monday, 30 November 2015 16:10 (three years ago) Permalink

ooh, that's lovely. good share!

artisanally blended vape juice smoothie (bernard snowy), Monday, 30 November 2015 16:18 (three years ago) Permalink

so i picked up a shift last night at my bar on "college tuesday"...put this on and got surprising reactions. Lots of "who's this?" and to top it off Song for America actually had people dancing and sexy girl dancing. Although there were a few odd looks during the whole animals...deaths embrace thing. Meanwhile I was doing lots of pelvic thrusts behind the bar. Im sure this is exactly what Bejar was going for.

― Beardie you disappoint me (chrisv2010), Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:14 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this post still haunts me whenever i listen to this record

ciderpress, Monday, 30 November 2015 17:25 (three years ago) Permalink

China Crisis Flaunt the Imperfection is great! good recommendations itt

Danish singer/songwriter CV Jørgensen's late masterpiece Sjælland has more of a 90s vibe, but not far off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tujEAbQIwXo

niels, Monday, 30 November 2015 19:38 (three years ago) Permalink

2)Al Stewart- Year of the Cat

― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:36 PM (3 weeks ago)

had somehow never heard this song/album but holy shit it would fit right in on kaputt

gr8080, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 16:04 (three years ago) Permalink

You've never heard Year of the Cat? Must be a youngster!

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 19:13 (three years ago) Permalink

i wouldnt really associate year of the cat with kaputt except for maybe the title track, the rest is too earnest and folky to sound like destroyer ever

ciderpress, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 19:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Year of the Cat is great, and a good point of reference - Kaputt is (among other things) a perfect mix of sophistipop and yacht rock, Al Stewart's a good yacht rock example

niels, Thursday, 10 December 2015 15:03 (three years ago) Permalink

i've always thought of al stewart as being the precursor to stuff like the decemberists, okkervil river, that sort of earnest high-concept storytelling rock, rather than the cynical smooth dudes that take after yacht rock. he's kind of an oddball in rock history in that way, probably why he's been largely forgotten while a lot of his peers get canonized

ciderpress, Thursday, 10 December 2015 18:25 (three years ago) Permalink

point taken

niels, Thursday, 10 December 2015 18:30 (three years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

kaputt

ciderpress, Saturday, 28 May 2016 03:50 (three years ago) Permalink

not sure if i should be embarrassed by how much of spotify's prefabbed "Late Night Indie" playlist overlaps with my own playlists

ciderpress, Saturday, 28 May 2016 03:53 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

kaputt

― ciderpress, Friday, May 27, 2016 10:50 PM (three months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gr8080, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 15:51 (two years ago) Permalink

i was thinking about this album just yesterday, and how it's just about that time of year

jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 16:51 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

holy cow, Destroyer is playing here on Friday??

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 31 October 2016 12:39 (two years ago) Permalink

I think his current tour is just a solo acoustic one

ufo, Monday, 31 October 2016 12:53 (two years ago) Permalink

fine by me!

show's at a tiny-ass campus venue, and, other than bejar himself, i will probably be the oldest person there

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 31 October 2016 13:03 (two years ago) Permalink

that sounds perfect

niels, Monday, 31 October 2016 13:15 (two years ago) Permalink

11/01/16 Milwaukee, WI Colectivo Coffee Solo performance Add to google calendar
11/02/16 Chicago, IL Art Institute of Chicago Solo performance Add to google calendar
11/03/16 Madison, WI The Sett (University of Wisconsin) Solo performance Add to google calendar
11/05/16 Northampton, MA Iron Horse Music Hall Solo performance Add to google calendar
11/06/16 London, ON The Aeolian Performing Arts Solo performance Add to google calendar
11/07/16 Halifax, NS The Seahorse Tavern Solo performance Add to google calendar
11/08/16 Quebec City, QC Le Cercle Solo performance Add to google calendar
11/10/16 Hamilton, ON Mills Hardware Solo performance Add to google calendar
11/11/16 Saskatoon, SK Amigo's Solo performance Add to google calendar
11/12/16 Calgary, AB Festival Hall Solo performance Add to google calendar

definitely an interesting choice of tour dates

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Monday, 31 October 2016 17:31 (two years ago) Permalink

weird -- the show here isn't on there

(it may not ~actually~ be open to the public)

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 31 October 2016 18:39 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

thought we had a "sounds like kaputt" thread...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D8L40-WuIM

gr8080, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 21:01 (two years ago) Permalink

roxy mentioned above but this one was sounding especially Kaputt-y last week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsTyNcmiXm0

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 21:08 (two years ago) Permalink

Avalon was the OG inspiration mentioned in all the interviews / press releases iirc, and Kaputt was actually my way into Avalon

beautiful track

niels, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 13:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Always thought Lindsey Buckingham's Trouble had some Kaputt like elements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO1sQPs3U8k

MarkoP, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:17 (two years ago) Permalink

def.

gr8080, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:05 (two years ago) Permalink

Perhaps Mirage scratches a bit of the same itch - ethereal vibe with focus on melody and percussion

niels, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:46 (two years ago) Permalink

Buckingham track is smooth as hell

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:25 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

the laziest river is soo good

just another (diamonddave85), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:54 (two years ago) Permalink

yup

niels, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:55 (two years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

you’re a permanent figure of jacked up sorrow
I want you to love me

k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:46 (one year ago) Permalink

posters going ham on the sophisti-pop revivals the last couple days, I see

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Time of the season?

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:00 (one year ago) Permalink

I really really like the production on this one.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:08 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah, someone on the p4k thread suggested it sounds even better than its influences and I think that's true, at least production-wise

niels, Thursday, 11 January 2018 06:00 (one year ago) Permalink

I’m not even a big fan of the supposed sound he’s channeling in here and yet the production on this one makes it work.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 11 January 2018 07:43 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Maybe somebody in this thread can help me with this one: Is there a Destroyer song where he cribs the line "It's time I had some time alone"? I seem to remember one (or maybe I saw him play it live?) but I can't recall for sure and maybe I'm just making it up because I think it'd be a great line for a some to appropriate

Evan R, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 13:58 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Listening to As Falls Wichita, So Falls Witchita Falls by Pat Metheny & Lyle Mays, getting very strong Laziest River vibes

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 25 May 2018 04:15 (one year ago) Permalink

They don't really sound that similar, but are both mellow epics

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 25 May 2018 04:41 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm getting those vibes too, thx for the recommendation

niels, Friday, 25 May 2018 13:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Maybe somebody in this thread can help me with this one: Is there a Destroyer song where he cribs the line "It's time I had some time alone"? I seem to remember one (or maybe I saw him play it live?) but I can't recall for sure and maybe I'm just making it up because I think it'd be a great line for a some to appropriate

Now this is bugging me too, as I seem to recall but don’t know what tune either

omgneto and ittanium mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 May 2018 13:55 (one year ago) Permalink

xp

Sweet, glad you checked it out. It's a pretty unusual piece. I've been able pick up a pile of pristine Metheny vinyl for super cheap lately, and have really enjoyed digging into his catalog. Such a wide range of interesting recordings, especially from the ECM days.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 25 May 2018 14:27 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

This record.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 22:43 (ten months ago) Permalink

Yeah, this record. <3

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 23:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

my 3.5 yo son blew my mind by singing parts of Chinatown. Turns out my wife had an old CD of Kapput in the car.

President Keyes, Saturday, 25 August 2018 02:29 (nine months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

don't let the terrible name scare you, mr twin sister delivers sophistihouse sure to delight any Kaputt fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL-XHeBLwTE

niels, Sunday, 11 November 2018 22:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

does this come in instrumental?
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||||||||, Monday, 12 November 2018 17:34 (seven months ago) Permalink

this man sounds like an elf

||||||||, Monday, 12 November 2018 17:35 (seven months ago) Permalink

it's that time of the year folks

gbx, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 20:57 (six months ago) Permalink

get the elf off the shelf

single bed mentality (||||||||), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 21:01 (six months ago) Permalink

I'd say he sounds like a smurf. His voice is really beyond bearable. The music can have its moments though. Like "The laziest river" for example. Very eclectic stuff rooted in the eighties. Reminds me of my student years. Retro but pretty good retro.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 23 November 2018 22:06 (six months ago) Permalink

the sound of an entire generation of music critics ossifying about half-remembered childhood referents

just playing, ilx!

imago, Friday, 23 November 2018 22:12 (six months ago) Permalink

his actual speaking voice sounds like that so he's not putting it on (he was in front of me at the waldorf cold beer and wine once)

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 23 November 2018 22:23 (six months ago) Permalink

don't let the terrible name scare you, mr twin sister delivers sophistihouse sure to delight any Kaputt fans

it's not the terrible name that puts me off.

brokenshire (jed_), Saturday, 24 November 2018 01:01 (six months ago) Permalink

oh then what is it

princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 24 November 2018 01:12 (six months ago) Permalink

sophistihouse

brokenshire (jed_), Saturday, 24 November 2018 01:36 (six months ago) Permalink

haha

well see what descriptor you can come up with

anyway people who dislike Bejar's voice I don't mean to say you're not welcome itt but I will say you're wasting your time because Bejar is a great singer

niels, Saturday, 24 November 2018 09:49 (six months ago) Permalink

polite no

single bed mentality (||||||||), Saturday, 24 November 2018 11:06 (six months ago) Permalink

a friend of mine once described his voice as a cross between nick cave and kenny everett

. (Michael B), Saturday, 24 November 2018 11:32 (six months ago) Permalink

I actually like that Mr. TS song but I'm struggling to see much of a connection. That name though, sheesh.

brokenshire (jed_), Saturday, 24 November 2018 19:20 (six months ago) Permalink

here's an interesting anecdote:

Frontman Dan Bejar had largely completed his soft-rock opus before asking Shabason to improvise over the recordings, where his ghostly saxophone lines proved to be the perfect complement to Bejar’s alternately hedonistic and weary narrator, hanging over every story like a heavy cologne.

that's from the review of recent Shabason album, but not sure what the source is? also, it seems, in my mind, more of a trumpet record than a sax record but maybe I'm misremembering

niels, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 13:34 (six months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

i got a new tattoo

https://i.imgur.com/Nge8t6i.jpg

gr8080, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:37 (two months ago) Permalink

Excellent <3

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:29 (two months ago) Permalink

8 years old. How.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:23 (two months ago) Permalink

one of the greats

ciderpress, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:33 (two months ago) Permalink


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