Pitchfork: The Top 200 Tracks of the 1990s: 20-01

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Wu-Tang Clan - "Protect Ya Neck" 18
Pulp - "Common People" 18
My Bloody Valentine - "Only Shallow" 16
Björk - "Hyperballad" 16
Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?" 15
Beck - "Loser" 15
Neutral Milk Hotel - "Holland, 1945" 15
Daft Punk - "Da Funk" 13
Depeche Mode - "Enjoy the Silence" 13
Mazzy Star - "Fade Into You" 13
Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker" 12
The Notorious B.I.G. - "Juicy" 12
Pavement - "Gold Soundz" 10
Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit" 10
Dr. Dre [ft. Snoop Doggy Dogg] - "Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang" 10
DJ Shadow - "Midnight in a Perfect World" 9
Radiohead - "Paranoid Android" 9
Belle and Sebastian - "The State I Am In" 6
Weezer - "Say It Ain't So" 4
OutKast - "Spottieottedopalicious" 3


only guy in the world (prolego), Friday, 3 September 2010 06:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

1 are you that somebody
2 spottieotte
3 juicy
4 say it ain't so
5 nothin but a g thang

"bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 September 2010 06:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like all these, except NMH...blech.

Going with "Only Shallow" though, because that fucking guitar monster changed my life (even if I almost never listen to MBV anymore).

Johnny Fever, Friday, 3 September 2010 06:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

protect ya neck
common people
are you that somebody
g thang
the state i am in

symsymsym, Friday, 3 September 2010 07:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

my ballot from ILM 90s tracks poll:

1.Dr. Dre – Nuthin' But a G Thang
2.Breeders – Cannonball
3.Pete Rock and C.L. Smooth - "T.R.O.Y. (They Reminisce Over You)"
4.Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?"
5.Belle & Sebastian - "The State I Am In"

and I complained protect ya neck wasn't one of the nominiations. good to see my musical taste hasn't evolved over the last six years.

symsymsym, Friday, 3 September 2010 07:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

I voted for Hyperballad as it's one of my top ten songs of all time.

I never need to hear Loser or Smells Like Teen Spirit again but apart from those and Neutral Milk Hotel which I've not heard, these are all great tracks.

Kitchen Person, Friday, 3 September 2010 07:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

ilm list top 20:

020.- JAY-Z - "Big Pimpin'"
019.- DAFT PUNK - "Around the World"
018.- DR. DRE - "Nuthin' But A G Thang"
017.- SINEAD O'CONNOR - "Nothing Compares 2 U"
016.- STARDUST - "Music Sounds Better With You"
015.- MASSIVE ATTACK - "Unfinished Sympathy"
014.- BECK - "Loser"
013.- AALIYAH - "Are You That Somebody?"
012.- NIRVANA - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
011.- BLACKSTREET - "No Diggity"
010.- BJORK - "Hyperballad"
009.- RADIOHEAD - "Paranoid Android"
008.- APHEX TWIN - "Windowlicker"
007.- WARREN G - "Regulate"
006.- NEW ORDER - "Regret"
005.- GETO BOYS - "Mind Playing Tricks On Me"
004.- MY BLOODY VALENTINE - "Soon"
003.- THE BREEDERS - "Cannonball"
002.- DEEE-LITE - "Groove Is In the Heart"
001.- PULP - "Common People"

symsymsym, Friday, 3 September 2010 07:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'll never understand why "hyperballad" seems to be the consensus pick from the björk discography. it's not even a standout on its parent album!

lol this is the first i realised "enjoy the silence" was released in the 90s. REALLY?! i've just always assumed it was from like 1981 or something.

basically came down to "are you that somebody?" vs "juicy" - rip babygirl and biggie ;_; - went w/the hawk in the sky in the end

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

"common people" is such an annoying song. i hate it when people canonise pulp as being better and smarter than the rest of britpop trash. NOT SO. JUST AS AWFUL AS ALL THE OTHERS.

anyway in that song my sympathies are entirely with the poor girl who had to put up with being jarvis cocker's gf briefly.

ahahahaha i've just realised these are meant to be the 20 best songs of the entire 90s?! lolololololololololololol and indeed smh

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

shocked by striking lack of overlap between lex & pitchfork's taste

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

that "loser" song. i remember that from when it came out! absolutely dreadful. it's like a fucking parody of every socially inept indie mumble there's every been! "i'm a loser so why don't you kill me?" - OK THEN, happily! i genuinely didn't know it was rated as remotely acceptable by anyone (ah, the days before i'd read any music crit). seriously i remember laughing at that song w/my girls in high school, it was so obviously lame.

idk i just feel a touch of pity for anyone whose top 20 of that decade includes, like, belle & sebastian or neutral milk hotel (lolllll @ their stupid name, still) or pavement or nirvana. or WEEZER! god, i remember them from the '90s as well, and i swear they were a joke novelty band possibly put together by comedians. i can't believe they still have a career.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

keep swinging for the bleachers

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

like anyone who was a teenager in the '90s i liked a ton of "alternative" music from then but this is all the stuff that even 14-year-old me knew to mock

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Loser

false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

to be fair, weezer barely have a career

"bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

happy to hear it

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

my favorite line in Loser is "And my time is a piece of wax fallin' on a termite who's chokin' on the splinters". and yes, Loser is my #1 choice

false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

"i'm a loser so why don't you kill me?" - OK THEN, happily!

Rap? More like CRAP!

symsymsym, Friday, 3 September 2010 07:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i can't really hate on anything here. favorites = beck, belle & sebastian, daft punk, dre/snoop, B.I.G, and well, everything else straight through to the bottom. the last seven tracks in this list cannot be fucked with. but honestly, nothing here incenses me or even bums me out. bjork is not my favorite, but hyperballad is solid. if you have to have an aphex twin track, it might as well be windowlicker. neutral milk hotel track is probably my least favorite, closest to horrible, but i like other stuff from that record, so i'm okay with it.

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 07:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

"i'm a loser so why don't you kill me?" - OK THEN, happily!

Rap? More like CRAP!

― symsymsym, Friday, September 3, 2010 3:52 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

max, Friday, 3 September 2010 08:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Belle and Sebastian - "The State I Am In"

rmde

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 08:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh my god, pavement #1?

s0 embarrassing for p4k

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 08:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes, last i heard, indie rockers en masse had rejected the teachings of pavement and burned all existing record of their heresy

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 08:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

well, if not, then why not

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 08:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

guys you're ignoring this important youtube comment

#
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early 90s man. that was our sixties. and we blew it!

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 3 September 2010 08:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

the 90s are gonna make the 60s look like the 50s

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 08:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol reactionary lex is back

Prime Minister Dougal McGuire (King Boy Pato), Friday, 3 September 2010 08:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

god there are some b&s tracks i can vibe to but this is just abject

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?" - freaking great
Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker" - feel like I should vote for this but it's not even my fave Aphex track let alone fave track of the 90s :-(
Beck - "Loser" - this was the first time I ever had the feeling I was being "marketed to" like my generation had become a demographic, and I didn't particularly like it
Belle and Sebastian - "The State I Am In" - at a particular moment in time, this was meaningful, but that moment has passed
Björk - "Hyperballad" - freaking great
Daft Punk - "Da Funk" - just a bit of fun, be cool
Depeche Mode - "Enjoy the Silence" - hated at the time, but it's really grown on me
DJ Shadow - "Midnight in a Perfect World" - can't remember how it went
Dr. Dre [ft. Snoop Doggy Dogg] - "Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang" - can't remember how it went
Mazzy Star - "Fade Into You" - oh just go away
My Bloody Valentine - "Only Shallow" - see my Aphex entry. Not my fave MBV track.
Neutral Milk Hotel - "Holland, 1945" - can't remember how it went
Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit" - oh just go away
The Notorious B.I.G. - "Juicy" - can't remember how it went
OutKast - "Spottieottedopalicious" - can't remember how it went
Pavement - "Gold Soundz" - can't remember how it went also OH JUST GO AWAY god I fucking hate Pavewank
Pulp - "Common People" - God I fucking hated this song with an utter passion
Radiohead - "Paranoid Android" - a moment in time but that moment has passed
Weezer - "Say It Ain't So" - can't remember how it went
Wu-Tang Clan - "Protect Ya Neck" - can't remember how it went

So OF THIS LIST it looks like the only tracks I still have unreserved love for are Aaliyah and Bjork. But at the same time I feel like I should vote for what Aphex Twin or MBV *mean* to me, and *mean* to my impression of what 90s music was about. Even though there are other songs by those artists that should get the nod.

But now I'm listening to Hyperballad again, I'm getting the same "BUT THIS ISN'T EVEN THE BEST SONG!" vibe.

Oh wah waht a boring and unrepresentative list etc. moan groan complain etc.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

I hate the nineties and "Loser" is not at all my favorite Beck, but hating that song or dismissing it as an example of being "marketed to" is crazy talk. It could have been released in 1979. Just a buncha cool sounds and non sequiturs stitched together whose chorus happened to be exactly the generational catchphrase adapted by record companies.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

think that was Kate's point...?

great British wasteman = u (DJ Mencap), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean given it originaly came out on a microindie before Geffen jumped on it, I don't think there's any suggestion that Beck was a literal marketing creation, but I can see why someone might roll their eyes at its presentation

great British wasteman = u (DJ Mencap), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Neutral Milk Hotel - "Holland, 1945" - can't remember how it went

played it about an hour ago and i can't remember how it went. as with weezer and pavement and belle and sebastian, totally unremarkable piece of music.

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

^ this. this is otm. but i remember feeling that same weird twinge of encroachment in 93. i loved the song in spite of the feeling that i'd been sold, but it was definitely there. wasn't beck's fault, either, cuz he was clearly & authentically of my generation & culture, but he was one of the first examples of what i then thought of as "my" outsider/slacker/indie-refusenik youth culture and values being sold back at me by the dreaded "mainstream". it was somewhat jarring in that sense.

whether or not this makes sense to you probably says a lot about where and who you were at the time.

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

by "this" i meant alfred's initial response to KDT.

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

not history mayne's inability to properly listen to music

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thanks for your dismissal of my personal reaction to a song as "a dismissal". It was not a dismissal, it was a pretty powerful disillusioning - which was probably rather important for me to make at that age, and in that time and place. I'm not denying that that song was, certainly, a generational moment. However, it did mark for me the moment (along with Grunge Boutiques in Macy's and the like) that I realised that anything and everything could/would be coopted by the mainstream, that I wasn't so unique and that I should stop being such a fucking snob about music because many of the lines were absolutely arbitrary and "indie" or "alternative" or whatever it was that I'd been a part of in the late 80s and early 90s was really just one lifestyle choice among others.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was 13 when 'loser' 'dropped', felt it was something of a parody?

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Karen, no offense, but that disillusionment seems like a good thing in retrospect, no?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

wasn't beck's fault, either, cuz he was clearly & authentically of my generation & culture, but he was one of the first examples of what i then thought of as "my" outsider/slacker/indie-refusenik youth culture and values being sold back at me by the dreaded "mainstream". it was somewhat jarring in that sense.

Yes. This ^^^^^^^^

It was that sense of having your own self-generated culture sold back to you that I disliked, not the song. The song was actually pretty catchy.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Karen, no offense, but that disillusionment seems like a good thing in retrospect, no?

This was my ENTIRE point.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

So then, thank you, record company!

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not really, no.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was 13 when 'loser' 'dropped', felt it was something of a parody?

it totally was, but it was a clever insider's self-mockery. delivered to us from one of us, if you will. the otm wit was a big part of what made it feel so weirdly intrustive on pop radio. plus awesome. still love it, btw, though not as much.

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

As for Neutral Milk Hotel, still haven't heard'em, don't remember'em at all at the time. Were their tapes passed around in college dorms or something? Were they played on college radio?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

kind of glossing over the parallel doublethink required, because at the same time is was SO FUCKING GREAT to see this stuff beginning to break through to the mainstream, to see "kool thing" on MTV and trade secret tapes of nevermind demos while waiting for it to officially drop.

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

speaking of tapes.

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

and yes, afred, college students passed neutral milk hotel demos around as if they were doobies

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

once again, there is a huge transatlantic divide on this [via the bbc]

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

I remember similar sort of phenomena, but the reaction to this stuff starting to break through to the meainstream wasn't so much "SO FUCKING GREAT!" but "Oh shit, we're about to get really completely screwed, aren't we?"

Perhaps that's down to indie snobbery, perhaps that was the cynicism that would haunt my generation. But my personal reaction to the sight of the kind of people who used to beat me up in high school suddenly walking around in Kurt Cobain t-shirts was "oh fucking shit, end times" rather than untrammelled joy.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

Downloaded Neutral Milk Hotel years ago after it came high in an ILX poll. I remember them nearly as dull as The National.

Chewshabadoo, Friday, 3 September 2010 11:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

now that's just mean

do you know sixty (electricsound), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sorry!

Chewshabadoo, Friday, 3 September 2010 11:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

I remember when Neutral Milk Hotel came out - I think I read an article about Tribe 8 in like Relix or something - but I could never find any of their albums and Olivia Treble Control was a better band name anyway. Every now and again, someone extols the genius of "The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)" to me and I'll go check out some song samples on iTunes, but it's always really unremarkable.

a Bud Light Chelada 22 oz. on a sort of a date (kkvgz), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Olivia Treble Control was a better band name anyway.

it is kinda better than their actual name

do you know sixty (electricsound), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

my horribly-formed attempt at one of those faux-naive skot seward posts.

a Bud Light Chelada 22 oz. on a sort of a date (kkvgz), Friday, 3 September 2010 11:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd pick any number of the >20 tracks before these, but from this list I'll go MBV. Stunning piece of music, one of my favourite album openings ever.

seandalai, Friday, 3 September 2010 11:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Enjoy the Silence.

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 3 September 2010 12:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

'da funk' -- then aaliyah

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 3 September 2010 12:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

at least the mood im in right now. i think i voted 'g thang' highest on my ballot

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 3 September 2010 12:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Went with Hyperballad, btw, but I'm really having a good time listening to this Enjoy the Silence youtube. I haven't heard this song in years, but it's pretty dope.

olivia tribble control (kkvgz), Friday, 3 September 2010 12:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

just to say a few words in defense of NMH...

I don't know how that album went down in the US when it was released, I've always presumed it was a modest, cult success. I remember seeing them support Olivia Tremor Control at the Garage in 1998, and being entirely blown away by them. In the context of those times, you didn't often see 8-piece groups with musical saws and hobbit-looking dudes playing tubas onstage, so that was remarkable. But there was something so joyous and unhinged about the performance, swinging hard between chaos and melody: I remember the drummer playing these crazily overloaded drum rolls that were so OTT he had trouble getting back into the rhythm of the song, but somehow it all held together. The songs were great, much better than those of OTC, and they had none of that group's antiseptic slavery to a single style and moment - NMH seemed gloriously alive by comparison.

I got the album, and loved it. I remember pushing hard to write about them while I was at Melody Maker, but was turned down, and told that others in the office thought they sounded like the panpipe group from The Fast Show. An editor at The Times was more understanding at let me write some end of year blurbs about them. I was pretty obsessed with the record, but in the UK, it just seemed to pass by under the radar. I was a pretty dedicated partisan for their cause, putting their songs on mix-tapes I made for friends. If I was interviewing a musician I thought would appreciate their music, I'd make 'em cassettes, most of which probably ended up discarded and unlistened on the floors of tourvans. But if that artist turned round and said they already loved the album, it was a pretty big thrill, and would often result in long discussions about the unheralded magic of NMH, this brilliant secret were were lucky enough to be in on.

I'm really not surprised that the album has enjoyed such acclaim in the years since it was released. The 'concept' behind the songs - that Jeff Mangum was so inspired by reading the Diary Of Anne Frank that he penned this album-length treatise of love'n'death/fantasy that he travelled back in time to try and save her - is both opaque and alluring, and, of course, makes for both good copy and at-length decoding by obsessive fans. Jeff Mangum's own subsequent non-career and silence, full of mystery and hints of tragedy, also makes for a great story - the doomed artist and his final folly, etc etc. It's an archetypal 'lost album', if you like. And you'd be crazy to deny its influence on indie groups (many of whom I detest) that have followed.

I still think its a marvellous record, though I don't play it often now, as I perhaps played it too much a decade or so ago. I can't deny that it still moves me today, when I do hear songs from it, and even a track as outwardly-ebullient as 'Holland 1945' remains affecting, not least for the poetry of Jeff's lyrics, and the sentiments and stories its telling.

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Friday, 3 September 2010 12:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean all the above is corny as hell, but its also the truth

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Friday, 3 September 2010 12:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Say what you want about this list but the inevitable torrent compilation is going to kick ass.

Sometimes > Only Shallow, voted for Loser for old time's sake. Bought the CD single because I would usually rather get 2 singles than one album with my $12 for music.

skip, Friday, 3 September 2010 12:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

I still think its a marvellous record, though I don't play it often now, as I perhaps played it too much a decade or so ago. I can't deny that it still moves me today, when I do hear songs from it, and even a track as outwardly-ebullient as 'Holland 1945' remains affecting, not least for the poetry of Jeff's lyrics, and the sentiments and stories its telling.

QFT

skip, Friday, 3 September 2010 12:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp: The Loser CD single was dope too! The alternate version of Soul Suckin' Jerk is soooo much better than the album version.

olivia tribble control (kkvgz), Friday, 3 September 2010 12:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

re: NMH, i got the holland 7" before the album and was v excited, the album was subsequently a ridiculous disappointment to me

do you know sixty (electricsound), Friday, 3 September 2010 12:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_5nNQmszDw

olivia tribble control (kkvgz), Friday, 3 September 2010 12:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

between gold soundz and juicy for me

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 12:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I bought the first Neutral Milk Hotel album after reading a rave review in Spin or Magnet, liked a couple tunes but didn't really see the big fuss and then proceeded to ignore them for the next couple of years, only later realizing that In the Aeroplane had become an indie touchstone.

jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 12:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

At the same time, the Elephant 6 collective as a whole was definitely a *thing* if you paid attention to US indie in the late 90s. I mean, I skipped In the Aeroplane in 1998 but I did buy Olivia Tremor Control's Black Foliage.

jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 12:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Loser"

Sorry, autogoons

office (max) (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

In ILMverse I would assume "Enjoy" will take this handily.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

'da funk' or 'midnight iapw' for me

lot of those choices, mbv, outkast, b.i.g., don't seem right to me, and very few of the rap choices blew up in the uk, at least from the perspective i had -- some of them i heard later -- whereas 'da funk' and 'midnight were everywhere when i was 16/17.

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

aaliyah, even though it isn't even the aaliyah single that made my own top ten for this thing.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

the NMH song is one of my all-time favorites; has been for years. Try Again wd be the Aaliyah song that would have made me think about changing my mind...

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

i want to read more on why k8 hates "common people" because whenever people talk about pulp these days there's a really really strong assumption that *everyone* loves them, that you *should* love them and jarvis cunting cocker is a national treasure and wise man of letters, which is BULLLLSHIT, so yeah, k8, if you have time?

i was 11 when "loser" was released - surprising, thought i was older, but at any rate i had no conception of the music press or indie or whatever it meant, i just thought it was HILARIOUSLY PATHETIC. and i was right, c'mon, to like that song you really have to hate yourself.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp "Try Again" came out in 2000.

jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes good job maintaining the same mindset/attitude you had at 11, lex.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

atlex shrugged

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

dyslexia more like

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

i still love janet & luther's "the best things in life are free" with all my heart, which iirc i did at 11 too

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

to like that song you really have to hate yourself.

Ha what? Most of what I liked about Beck in the '90s (indeed, starting with "Loser") was his collage-like aesthetic in both words and sound. "Loser" is a triumph of great nonsense.

jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

lex, you know you're making the same assumptions about the audience for this shit as the Ashlee and Taylor haters, right?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

They like "Loser" because they hate our freedoms themselves (and want to die).

So very 90's.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

i still love pizza, which iirc i did at 11 too, but i'm not gonna go around shitting on people who liked tacos* back then (or now) because 21 years later i've managed to grasp concepts like subjectivity.

*of course, i like tacos, too. much as i like both "common people" and aaliyah. but it's a wacky world.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd hate myself if I loved Janet Jackson, that's for sure.

olivia tribble control (kkvgz), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

collage-like aesthetic

totally read this as "college-like aesthetic" at 1st

beck is so dreary and staid. i remember him being lauded as a great experimenter and innovator lolololol please tell me no one actually believes that any more?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Say It Ain't So. Kind of defined that era for me.

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol @ the way everyone in this thread is often totally ready to shit on a band's fans but as soon as someone does it to one of their own lame teenage nostalgia trips it's all about getting on your high horse about subjectivity

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm not quite sure when the last time i shat on a band's fans was, but feel free to point out to so i can 40 lashings myself for penance purposes.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

lex, you're a madman. you know that right?

olivia tribble control (kkvgz), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol @ the way everyone in this thread is often totally ready to shit on a band's fans but as soon as someone does it to one of their own lame teenage nostalgia trips it's all about getting on your high horse about subjectivity

including you

people probably wouldn't care that you hate some of these songs if you didn't act like an annoying teenager about it

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nothing on the list comes close to "Enjoy The Silence" for me, after that, I guess it's "Common People". I never liked much 90's indie rock, I like Weezer but "Say It Ain't So" is maybe the 6th or 7th best song on that album, "Windowlicker" is just another one of the 8484 Aphex Twin tracks from the 90's, etc. I like almost all of these songs but not in a "best of the entire decade" sort of way.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Windowlicker" is just another one of the 8484 Aphex Twin tracks from the 90's, etc.

lol whut

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Surprising omission from this list: Baby One More Time. Unless I missed it in one of the see also areas.

Davek (davek_00), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Windowlicker's pretty stand-out, but there were so many awesome Aphex Twin tracks in the 90s that it's easy for me to see how someone could rate it pretty far down their personal list.

olivia tribble control (kkvgz), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost to me, Just seems essential to 'telling the story' of 90s pop.

Davek (davek_00), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I get why everyone goes crazy for "Windowlicker" but I've always been a "Ventolin"/"On"/"Come To Daddy"/"Girl/Boy Song" guy; I would rather have seen any of those on the list.

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp "Try Again" came out in 2000.

dammit I knew this; I'm a disgrace to NMH fans everywhere :(

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Don't let the current status of Jarvis Cocker (annoying knob) get in the way of the facts here, "Common People" is the best tune here.

"Duck Hunt" - The Musical (King Boy Pato), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Aphex's "Milk Man' ftw.

-x post-

Chewshabadoo, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Aphex, like many artists on this list, is irreducible. Not to the extent that, say, Oasis is (if you like them), but "Xtal", "Girl/Boy"/"4" - he was in the mix during multiple creativity peaks, techno, dance, jungle etc. My crit-hat quip on "Windowlicker" is that it's in so many ways a remix of "Closer". Which makes it even more excellent.

"Common People" is a great song but if you're purporting to account for the 1990s in any way, as a time period, take, say, Pearl Jam. Hugely unaccounted for, a random cut low in the list. I hate Vedder more than words but they were just an absolutely enormous band with a string of SMASH HITS off that debut. Even a deep album track in "Black". And to put a marginal, extremely UK-centric act like Pulp at #2 for the decade, with Nirvana at #13, who were easily massive as Pulp in Pulp's native country, is both challops and poor history.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Eh, usually I wouldn't post something like this on ILX because I know that both Common People and Cocker himself are such sacred cows (and I don't want my dislike to be interpreted as some lame challops for the sake of it any more than I want to repeat arguments I've had since the mid 90s.) But for you, Lex, I'll say a little of it, because I suspect you will understand my reasoning.

1) The terrible awareness that I (middle class, arty, have probably engaged in bouts of class tourism) am exactly the person that the entire nasty vipituous diatribe is aimed at. You're right. I will never *really* know what it's like not to have an expensive education. I will never *really* know what it's like not to have my class background. I don't think that gives you (author or listener) the automatic right to sneer at such a person for wanting to broaden my horizons and *trying* to understand. And also, due to peculiar quirks of the British class system (that one can actually have education and breeding and still be as poor as a church mouse) this does *not* mean that I do not know what it means to live with lack or poverty or difficult choices or narrowed horizons.

2) the conflation of the British class system (Posh vs. Common) with the idea of common vs. uncommon. You're right. I will *never* live like "Common people" and, in fact, I absolutely *refuse* to live "like common people" because I refuse to see it as something negative to aspire towards the extraordinary, the sublime, thegoodthebeautifulthetrue. This song, for me, really encapsulates this kind of negative anti-cultural-Thatcherism which produces some pretty questionable aesthetic results and political conclusions if taken to the logical conclusion. The only kind of aspiration is *not* simply the material kind. I am the kind of person who will spend money on books when she hasn't the money for new clothes, so this has nothing to do with wealth. I can NOT conceive of a world where there is nothing else to do but "drink and dance and screw, because there's nothing else to do" because no matter how little money I have, I *always* have my imagination and enough intellect to think of *something* else. I refuse to apologise for that.

I realise that these things are not entirely of Cocker's intentions, but they are certainly what the song has come to symbolise. In fact, I would have thought that Cocker, with his weirdo arty intellectual background, would understand, but, as we talked about on twitter yesterday, if you play with archetypes that are bigger than you, usually it's you that gets played.

This will of course all be misunderstood and torn to pieces because I don't think I've expressed this very well, but hey, it's Friday afternoon on ILX, I've got time. :-/

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

As an American tween/teenager it felt like an awesome pop song with an interesting angle and it still does today. It's amazing how much can be wrapped up in a song like that for some people and not for others. Not that yanks don't have our own multitude of issues but that kind of classist self-examination and judgmentalism isn't one of them, or at least it's not at the front of our minds.

skip, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's the british 'pretty fly for a white guy'

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

As the lone Brit in a group of Americans (who were all massive Anglophiles) I kinda got sick of being the only person who actually saw any kind of class issues at work in that song, and also really really really hated having to constantly explain why I wasn't going completely bonkers over the "weirdoes, we're great, actually, thank you!" message that was all my American friends ever saw in the song.

So perhaps having that conversation about a dozen too many times has also contributed to my dislike of the song.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

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I know nothing about rock music i'm only here because pitchfork named this the number 1 song of the 90's...i can kinda see why though...this song really has a 90 feels to it. when you hear this track it brings back memories from the 90's

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

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oops sorry for calling this rock i see that it's indie oops my bad

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

It is hard out there for a posh.

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

thought that might be something to do with it k8, and fwiw i totally agree (and though this is totally removed from what that song is about, i've seen it happen a lot whenever someone who isn't working-class becomes involved in "urban" street/underground music.

i don't like the song, but what i like even less is the way it's most often picked up by middle-class kids as a defence of working-class, idk, purity or something, and as an attack on "posh kids" (lacking the self-awareness of their own privilege, of course).

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

I also got really really really sick of explaining to Americans that "posh" and "rich" were not the same thing in UK culture at all, even though they are practically synonymous in the US.

And also wanting to say to Cocker, "look, I understand that you had it rough as a working class weirdo, but please don't leap to the assumption that it was somehow... *OK* to be an upper middle class weirdo. If anything, it had its own particular set of pressure from both sides. That you got kicked really hard by posh people for being a weirdo and kicked even harder by "common people" for being posh."

So yeah, first world problems. Whatevs. But also yeah: but what i like even less is the way it's most often picked up by middle-class kids as a defence of working-class, idk, purity or something, and as an attack on "posh kids" (lacking the self-awareness of their own privilege, of course). *TOTALLY*

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's got a good beat.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

The in-the-know/out-of-the-know perspectives on Common People remind me of going to a party in Germany about 10 years ago and seeing people rock out to Sunday Bloody Sunday (not saying this only happens in Germany but I don't think classic U2 was a party staple here in the 2000s). I was kind of shocked that people were having a good time to this but it makes perfect sense if you have no idea what the song is about or no connection to Irish history.

seandalai, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

(many xposts but) Lex, I guess the thing I find most infuriating is your implication that anyone who likes certain artists that happen to fall within the indie or rock canon has somehow been hoodwinked into doing so, and that you are the only person who is clear-eyed enough to see the truth.

jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

everybody loves "Loser" then. good to know.

natas, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

Think it's between Bjork and Shadow for me. Most of these are good.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

And before there's any more "LOL @ Karen D. for her first world problems" - please understand. I'm not asking anyone to feel sorry for me or anything, just explaining why I really really REALLY hate the song.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

There are a few songs I could vote for out of this list. Even Hyperballad, although Bjork in general annoys. The Robyn cover reminded me how great this song is.

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think i at least like every song on this list! (actually i'm not sure i've heard the bell and sebastian song unless it's on boy with the arab strap.)

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

For some reason, google chrome isn't fully reading the pitchfork list on my computer. What is are the top 7 songs?

kornrulez6969, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

gotta say i'm impressed the NMH hotel song isn't the first track on the album, indie album-artists i'm surprised to see chart on a pitchfork tracks list tend to be represented by those.

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

mbv and afx very far ahead of the rest, 'windowlicker' is certainly more of a signature song tho

tend to agree w/ kate abt common ppl although i've never given the song a lot of thought

completly agree w/ h8 of menopausal jarvis cocker and his stephen fryish reknown to a certain breed of slow-witted english ppl

'we love life is' is great tho

nakhchivan, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

voted juicy btw, my favorite songs are songs that make me cry and "damn right I like the life I live/'cause I went from negative to positive" gets me every time, who can't feel that at some level

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

I haven't heard two of the songs on this list: B&S and Depeche Mode (I don't think). I like all the others. Hooray for me!

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wow, that's kind of impressive; "Enjoy the Silence" was almost as omnipresent in 1990/1991 as Lady Gaga's "Telephone" was this year.

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm going to listen to it in a minute, maybe I'm just forgetting which song it is. But also I was living overseas in 1990/1991.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

this nmh song (the only one i'm not familiar with) isn't bad!

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've never been sure exactly *what* makes "Windowlicker" a "signature" Aphex song though ... how much of this is because of the video?

Windowlicker's pretty stand-out, but there were so many awesome Aphex Twin tracks in the 90s that it's easy for me to see how someone could rate it pretty far down their personal list.

This is kind of what I meant ... to me, "Windowlicker" always seemed like such a random choice to be the *one* signature 90's Aphex Twin track.

I'd be saying the same thing if they'd pulled some random track off of Autechre's LP5 (I never really understood the love for that one either, and I LOVE Autechre) and talked about how it scaled IDM's tallest heights and still sounds like the future ... maybe this did happen and there was a track at #184 that I forgot about.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Actually I probably couldn't identify "windowlicker" or "da funk" if i heard them (blame videos that don't really highlight the tracks themselves, prefer "Come To Daddy" and "Around The World" easy), and I dunno one DJ Shadow track from the next, basically went from "i don't give a fuck if your lite jazz comes from two turntables or a harmonica up your ass" to "this aint bad lite jazz" on him.

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh I totally know "Enjoy the Silence," nevermind. I like it.

I listened to the B&S song and it didn't sound familiar but also it sounded like every other B&S song so who knows, maybe I'd heard it before. Anyways it wasn't my thing but it's pretty innocuous.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've never been sure exactly *what* makes "Windowlicker" a "signature" Aphex song though ... how much of this is because of the video?

like... all of it? Which is partially why I'm bummed it didn't end up being "Come To Daddy"

xp: "Da Funk" is IMO the most easily-identifiable Daft Punk song aside from "One More Time"!

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

enjoy the silence is so classic. im more a policy of truth dude tho

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp: "Da Funk" is IMO the most easily-identifiable Daft Punk song aside from "One More Time"!

more than the one that goes around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world? I've seen the video for "Da Funk" plenty of times and the song just never soaked in from it (probably because they keep turning off the song for extended periods of it.

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Come To Daddy isn't any more "signature" Aphex than Windowlicker, to be honest.

Or maybe it is, in that CTD is a total pisstake song and Mr D.James is all about the pisstaking in ways that end up being quite intriguing and appealing to lots of people. But, as I keep saying in these kinds of debates is, what makes Mr D.James GR8 is the fact that there really *is* no signature Mr D.James - everything he does ends up sounding really not a lot like what everything else he does sounds, and yet it all sounds really *him*.

I just don't really like Windowlicker that much, except for the last minute and a half where all the distortion and phase kicks in and it suddenly goes really wubtastic. But that minute and a half is greater than most artists' whole careers.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Karen, from what you've written I think you hate Common People because you have completely misunderstood it and the kind of person it is attacking. It's not even about being a weirdo/outcast - that's Mis-Shapes. Surprised by such a misreading and staggered by your "being the only person [in your circle] who actually saw any kind of class issues at work in that song". What the hell else is there in the song BUT class?

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

"more than the one that goes around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world?"

"da funk" is the one that sounds like it's going "around the world around the world around the world" except it's a synth riff.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Dorian, go and live in America for a while, and see how completely Americans can completely miss something WRT British culture that you think is BLINDINGLY obvious. It will really astonish you.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

misinterpreting culture is sorta one way pop gets made though.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

"da funk" is the one that sounds like it's going "around the world around the world around the world" except it's a synth riff.

it shouldn't be surprising that a song with a nagging vocal hook would be more memorable than an instrumental simulacrum (esp when the video for the former actually promotes the song).

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

kind of forget dance music never really cross the atlantic

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost. Sure, I guess so, but I'm still amazed that anyone could hear those lyrics and not clock that it's a song about class.

Anyway, I think it's crucial to acknowledge that the song is about a specific individual, or at least a specific type - shallow, condescending, slumming it - rather than an attack on the middle classes per se.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

"surprising"?

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

in ref to Dan's "only One More Time beats Da Funk in the recognition dept" claim

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

shallow, condescending, slumming it

it's a poorly-written song because cocker doesn't actually manage to portray this character as unsympathetic enough - she doesn't come across as malicious or unpleasant, just naive, and his vitriol comes off as disproportionate. your sympathies end up with her, not him.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

spottieotte 4 lyfe

call all destroyer, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

'da funk' is hugely memorable. what is going on itt

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

"da funk" is the only daft punk song i really and truly love, and it's hella catchy

"around the world" otoh is dreadful and grating

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

is there a difference between "hella catchy" and "grating" other than taste?

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Songs that are about "a specific individual" can still be taken up and used as a trope in a way that leaves that individual behind.

And I never said it was an attack on the middle classes, it's much more of an attack on the upper classes, and on class tourism itself. But, as the Lex pointed out, I really resent the way that many of the middle classes take it up as a kind of battle cry, completely ignoring the fact that the lyrics are an attack on privilege itself, rather than on "someone more privileged than me".

Yes, I'm also aware that my takeaway from the song is also dependent on its context within the album and other songs and their themes. Which is perhaps where the conflation comes from, but I'm not the only person who has made that conflation in either a positive or negative sense.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

"da funk" is many things, but for an instrumental single, i'm not sure if it's "memorable" in the sense that a pop instrumental is "memorable." (if you heard it once, on mtv, years ago, i'm not sure anyone can hold it against you for not being able to name the artist if you heard it again 10 years later.)

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean it's no "sandstorm."

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

I voted for it, it is my precious. xp

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

too many favourites to choose from, but i plumped for depeche mode.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

btw "sandstorm" robbed in both this and 2000's poll

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Common People is the only song where the William Shatner cover is better than the original; wtg p4k etc.

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

tbf if shatner any pulp song it'd be better than the original

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

still need to make this happen somehow eight years later:

what would you like andrew wk to cover?

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strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh wait forgot Joe Jackson taking the chorus, I'll take the Pulp version over that actually

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

I fuck w/ every song here except for Beck, Weezer, Neutral Milk Hotel, Pavement, Belle & Sebastian. Voted "Enjoy the Silence" -- was a toss-up between that and MBV based on the insane # of times I've listened to each.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp Yeah I'm also surprised about Sandstorm's absence. You'd think it fits in perfectly with p4k's pop reclamation efforts over the last decade.

Davek (davek_00), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

good point, where is "sandstorm" on this list!!!

ciderpress, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

was it 1999 or 2000?>

ciderpress, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

it was both.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

originally released in 1999, went massive in 2000

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

I have to really rrrrreaaallly resist the urge to make a "I prefer the Fake Blood remix" joke every time anyone mentions Sandstorm.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

btw pretty sure i am the only "sandstorm" fan on staff tho

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's surely as rushy as Euphoria (Nino's Dream)..

Davek (davek_00), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

btw pretty sure i am the only "sandstorm" fan on staff tho

― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:55 (2 minutes ago) Permalink

certainly not

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

in college parties at the 'russian suite' would play it three times over the course of one night

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha i almost added "except maybe drake"

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's a poorly-written song because cocker doesn't actually manage to portray this character as unsympathetic enough - she doesn't come across as malicious or unpleasant, just naive, and his vitriol comes off as disproportionate. your sympathies end up with her, not him.

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 14:40 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

I would disagree that this song is badly written, and I'm a bit surprised you hate Pulp, Lex, I would of thought there is enough "non-indie" stuff going on with them to make it potentially of interest.

The whole album that this single comes from is pretty vitriolic, in particular "I Spy", the album's centrepice, a tour-de-force of bitterness and class resentment.

Neil S, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

heady times

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost. Sure, I guess so, but I'm still amazed that anyone could hear those lyrics and not clock that it's a song about class.

We, or at least I as a 13-year-old, knew it was a song about a rich person slumming it but the story didn't really MEAN anything. It was just a story, certainly not anything philosophical or political or even particularly meaningful. Having learned more about the British class system I get where Karen is coming from, but the song simply doesn't and can't resonate in the same way to people who haven't lived it firsthand.

skip, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

no "sandstorm"?! another lol/smh @ this list

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lex in "disagreeing with Pitchfork list", more news at 10.

Neil S, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

How about something like Wannabe? Heheheh..not sure how big SG were in the states. They would surely place on an ILM pop-centric list.

Davek (davek_00), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

no "sandstorm"?! another lol/smh @ this list

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend),

Who knew the lex was such a huge Cast fan ;)

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

the video is obviously important but windowlicker still sounds like the apotheosis of afx's phase (95-01) of hyperactively programmed dsp fuckery (or w/e), w/ the catchy central motif, some parodic relation to late 90s futurist rnb and the amazingly distorted cadenza

it's a perfectly formed track! come to daddy is also great but more obviously a pisstake

nakhchivan, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost. OTM. It's a vicious, vengeful, score-settling album and Common People has to be set against Mis-Shapes, in which unthinking working-class bullies are the villains. I don't think Jarvis is presenting himself as representative of his class, which is why I think Mis-Shapes is one of the weakest tracks because it says "we" instead of "I". Jarvis doesn't really convince as a spokesperson for anyone other than himself. If there's a major criticism to be levelled at the album, it's that sense of embittered, finger-pointing superiority, a la Dylan, but I find that bracing and fascinating rather than unpleasant (and there's enough compassion and ambiguity in tracks like Sorted and Underwear to counterbalance it).

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's the joke that needed to be made xxp

great British wasteman = u (DJ Mencap), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

man cant believe they left of sandstorm

max, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp to Dorian Well put. Whatever you think about Jarvis' current public persona, he was IMO an always-interesting lyricist, but not always likeable, which actually contributed to him being interesting.

Neil S, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

The problem is, really, that "Common People" made it very clear to me that *I* was not going to be allowed to be in the team of "we" described in "Mis-shapes". So that really made the whole album kind of fall down for me in a way that I really just could not ignore.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

1. "Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang," 2. "Loser."

clemenza, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's that sense of embittered, finger-pointing superiority

yeah i think this is def part of what k8 and i take issue with. i think this also has a lot to do with how you listen to music, how you align yourself with narrators. as you said, cocker doesn't work as a spokesperson for anyone other than himself, so you can't identify with the one pointing the finger (and if you do, that song gets even uglier) - you can't sing along as him. but then what role are you left playing? the one being pointed at? fuck off! or no role at all? well, maybe, but that's prob why the entire narrative leaves me cold.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang" = "Common People"

cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

like, "common people" works as neither a song that the listener gets to sing, nor as one that is sung to them...

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

And I disagree about Cocker not speaking for anyone but himself. He very clearly spoke for quite a number of people who identified with that angry, embittered, finger-pointing superiority. And it was almost *more* insulting to be told that people like me weren't going to be welcome in his army-of-the-different because I was different in an unacceptable way, even while he was gathering his flock of the different around him.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

He often plays characters, though, although admittedly Common People is to some extent autobiographical. Identifying with an artist is such a subjective thing, I suppose.

Neil S, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang" = "Common People"

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, September 3, 2010 4:12 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

hmm, i'd never thought of it that way before

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

truthbomb

Neil S, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

like, "common people" works as neither a song that the listener gets to sing, nor as one that is sung to them...

I'd agree with that but also say that it's not a problem for me.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

I find the same with most hip hop to be honest. I don't need to identify with either the narrator or the subject of a song in order to like it.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thing is, as is usually the case with pop records, most people engage with Common People because they find it a powerful piece of music, and don't get detained by worrying about who they should be relating to.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is an excelent song, fits in with what its like to live in towns when u dress 'alternatively' in yr 11 there were 2 gangs the 'grebs' and the 'roodies' the 'roodies' being the ppl who were like pretty hard, but were compleatly senceless, wondered around creating trouble with mindless vandalisum and beating ppl up. the 'grebs' on the other had had quite a few intalectuals in, we didnt go round beating ppl up, cus most of us would get our heads kicked in if we tryed. but in 10 years time we are all going to be in decent jobs and they are going to be on the doll, in prison or a dustbinman (no offence to dustbinmen)

olivia tribble control (kkvgz), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thing is, as is usually the case with pop records, most people engage with Common People because they find it a powerful piece of music, and don't get detained by worrying about who they should be relating to.

^^^ this. It's all performance.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Agreed. I don't identify much with e.g. John Lydon, doesn't stop me liking (some of) his records.

Neil S, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

that's mis-shapes, not common people

xposts to can't remember

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I realise that you're speaking to Lex and not me, but that's not what I dislike about the song. I don't have to *relate* to the narrator or the object of the song to like it. But I do kinda have to be not implicitly denounced in it, in a way that I find rather unfair. I do object to that. But it is only one part of the tangle of what I dislike about it.

Anyway...

I've just had an unfortunate realisation re: Hyperballad and Bjork in general.

I love her songwriting, I love her vision, I love her words and her music, I love the arrangements and the production, and the way that she puts everything together. I love her persona, her image and all that. I even like the *sound* of her voice.

I do not like the *way* that she sings.

I didn't want to be one of *those* people but I guess I am. :-(

This is getting narrower and narrower and harder and harder.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think 'Common People' is way more complicated than just 'class tourist fuck off you'll never be real/pure like us'. It has a pretty grim view of a certain section of the working class, one of which I know is true of a certain section of society, but not one in which I imagine Jarvis identifies with. As much as he loathes the woman, he seems to loathe his character just as much. Mis-Shapes can be seen as the kind of outcast/arty/weirdos call to arms, but I don't think the same holds for CP.

I could be misinterpreting his intentions, but as has been said so many times, it doesn't matter. To bring it around to Lex, I don't think the crushing (class) subtext of Taylor Swift's "Love Story" is intentional, but it's one of my favourite things about it. And I know a lot of people who take it as a sweet, romantic story, but that doesn't take away from its greatness for me.

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

you guys.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is basically down to Windowlicker vs Are You That Somebody for me, now.

Which is a really really weird choice, and yet the songs have quite a lot in common, almost as if they are weird inverses of each other.

(Also that neither song is my favourite by that particular artist)

If only it'd been Soon instead of Only Shallow then I could unreservedly vote for that.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

just vote for juicy it's a better song than all this business you're all getting all worked up about

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

the way björk sings "car parts, bottles and cutlery" may be my favorite single moment in one of her songs. overall though, I'd take about a dozen of her songs ahead of hyperballad

peter in montreal, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost. I dislike Mis-Shapes because it pretends there's a gang to join whereas (as This Is Hardcore made very clear) there was no gang. It was all about Jarvis. In that sense he's more like Lydon (strange, twisted, compelling, kind of unpleasant individual) than he is, say, Joe Strummer (come join me, we're in this together), though that's not how he was presented in the press at the time.

I generally dislike it when musicians claim to speak for the weirdos/outcasts anyway - it's the part of Lady Gaga's shtick which really sticks in my craw. It's more interesting to explore the gap between the artist and the audience than to pretend they're all outsiders together.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean, I think one of the reasons I really hate Common People is because it's just way too *simplistic* a take on class issues.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's a fucking pop song

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thing is, as is usually the case with pop records, most people engage with Common People because they find it a powerful piece of music, and don't get detained by worrying about who they should be relating to.

great songs don't exist in vacuums though. i don't think i have to relate specifically to what someone's singing about, but there has to be a way in to the general emotional thrust of the song. there's none in "common people", or at least none i want to.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

jess is still a total dickhead after all these years, huh

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

you want depth, go read a damn book.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

that one can actually have [an expensive] education and breeding and still be as poor as a church mouse

what quirks of the british class system bring this about? because i mean the song is quite specific: "She told me that her Dad was loaded", "'cos when you're laid in bed at night Watching roaches climb the wall If you called your Dad he could stop it all" , "everybody hates a tourist". i don't know the culture in the flesh and we can never underestimate people's ability to ignore lyrics, but these points are pounded home in the arrangement. if your dad can't stop it all you're not this type of tourist.

You're right. I will *never* live like "Common people" and, in fact, I absolutely *refuse* to live "like common people" because I refuse to see it as something negative to aspire towards the extraordinary, the sublime, thegoodthebeautifulthetrue. This song, for me, really encapsulates this kind of negative anti-cultural-Thatcherism which produces some pretty questionable aesthetic results and political conclusions if taken to the logical conclusion.

this is complicated and i don't want to be presumptuous but isn't this part of what he means when he says "you'll never fail like common people" beyond the financial safety net. i mean the lyric is "You'll never watch your life slide out of view And then dance and drink and screw Because there's nothing else to do". couldn't u be armed by your education and background in a way that makes this refusal more possible, less heroic, than it would be for a "common person". i think this is so.

history mayne: it's a poorly-written song because cocker doesn't actually manage to portray this character as unsympathetic enough

what the song's doing is showing u it may take exactly this much to engender this sort of snarling resentment. that u haven't seen it i wouldn't blame on the songwriting, no offense.

zvookster, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just because something is "just a fucking pop song" doesn't mean that it can't be *more* than a pop song. In fact, I think some of the more important cultural truths about the society we live in are revealed by the more ephemeral aspects. Hence, it's really important to dig inside pop songs if they stick in your throat in a particular way.

I mean, I hate Common People, but I do agree it should probably be on a list of "important songs of the 90s" because it managed to catch such a zeitgeist.

x-post to jess

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's a fucking pop song

Silly me. A music critic discussing the meaning of a pop song on a messageboard about pop songs. What was I thinking?

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

all i meant by that is that berating a three-four minute rock song for being "simplistic" is sort of massively missing the point of what it can do. i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything. the compression of the form almost requires reduction.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

my beef was merely with using "simplistic" as a criticism.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm also trying to imagine how hard this poll would be if it had pitted, say Don't Know What To Tell Ya vs. Polynomial-C or Try Again vs. Cock/Ver10 and watch my head explode.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

Surprised it was "Hyperballad" over "All is Full of Love" but I agree completely and xp on the "car parts" line mmmmmmm; it's her launching point from club/dance into thinking-x's pop, head in both spaces.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is "Sandstorm" the one with Sting and an Algerian dude?

jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

that wasn't me who said that?

the chick is greek so the song's connection to the british class system is sort of indirect; and the narrator/jarvis is not someone whose life is sliding out of view: he is at the prestigious st martin's school of art. the bit about the dog is weird. but it's an undeniable tune and i don't rly mind about all this, 15 years on.

xposts to zvookster

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

OMG, Jess, you might actually be being stupider than I initially thought. Are you really trying to tell me that a pop song or lyrics or poetry or something is really not capable of *not* being simplistic? That a lyric really can't capture something ambiguous and complex and multifaceted?

Because fuck me, that is *exactly* what I go to poetry and the more ... lyrical of lyrics to *do* for me.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

...

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh sorry i see now that was lex! xp to mayne

zvookster, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.

I mean, jesus h. christ, yeah, OK, this is why you write for fucking Pitchfork, and this absolutely encapsulates everything about why people around here bitch and moan and complain about said organ.

Time for me to bow out of this conversation now, because this direction of conversation actually *is* going to piss me off.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Common People"'s lyrics seem amazingly appropriate for what's going on here.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is "Sandstorm" the one with Sting and an Algerian dude?

― jaymc, Friday, September 3, 2010 11:41 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats desert rose dummy

max, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

i actually phoned st martins the other week to check that in fact there is no apostrophe there

so i amend my earlier post

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

well my work here is done

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

sandstorm is the one that goes "duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh [goes higher] duh duh duh duh duh duh duh [goes lower] duh duh duh duh duh duh duh"

max, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wonder where this kind of ferocious, articulate working-class voice exists in indie these days. Pulp had it and the Manics had it but the current crop are almost universally privileged - not rich, necessarily, but relatively comfortable. It's a constant in hip hop - it's all over the Tinie Tempah album - but I don't hear many (any?) new indie musicians with years of financial struggle behind them. I'm not saying that it's better to have that - I hate the tired old Alan McGee point-scoring - but there should be somebody voicing that kind of experience and outlook.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.
i can't even imagine a rock song that takes a "nuanced" view of anything.

Oh my god, people are having a lively debate about something I MUST STOP THAT RIGHT NOW - you actually make me want to go on talking about this with Lex and Dorian until the lights go down.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is kind of awesome, i forgot about this

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

thats desert rose dummy

I know. ;-)

I don't know what "Sandstorm" is, though.

jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

could we take this to the sandstorm thread so i can continue trolling kate

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

sandstorm is the one that goes "duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh [goes higher] duh duh duh duh duh duh duh [goes lower] duh duh duh duh duh duh duh"

― max, Friday, September 3, 2010 11:45 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

max, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh, I got it - it's 'Enter Sandstorm' right?

Neggin' you crapative (NickB), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost I feel The Streets' first album, which was certainly not indie, but had a massive indie listenership, captures some of this class consciousness you're referencing here. I might be wrong, but I feel lots of people listened to his writing in the same way as Cocker or Strummer or Morrissey in the past, in addition to all the dance culture references on that record.

Davek (davek_00), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wonder where this kind of ferocious, articulate working-class voice exists in indie these days.

new labour and everyone got rich.

the north is all elbow and doves these days.

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Skinner=Moz is ©2002 me.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

you know 'sandstorm' even if you think you don't

it's probably more omnipresent than the beatles

ciderpress, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't much like 'sandstorm', but i guess out of principle big euro-dance floorfillers > weezer

you know 'sandstorm' even if you think you don't

it's probably more omnipresent than the beatles

― ciderpress, Friday, September 3, 2010 4:53 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah -- feels like it's still around in a weird way

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

srsly though

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

ould we take this to the sandstorm thread so i can continue trolling kate

― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, September 3, 2010 3:48 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

k8 is pretty much worth 100 of you, you utter twit

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

ah that old black magic

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

are you having a nice time there, dear?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think I've said everything about Common People/Pulp that I really need to.

I'm gonna spend the rest of the afternoon listening to Aaliyah and Aphex until my head explodes. And probably end up voting Aphex because I want to eat up his little boolies even though that's one of my least favourite songs of his.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

really i'm just bored as shit at work before a holiday weekend

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

tbh this list is p decent, glad to see the outkast choice, protect ya neck, gold soundz, aaliyah etc.

is this thread huge just because lex read pitchfork again?

a hoy hoy, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

another bored office worker being a twat to people on the internet, wouldn't have ever guessed

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

iirc it's that lex thinks when people like music he doesn't like it's really appalling

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

sam the irony is i genuinely haven't clicked on the actual list, i've no idea what's on it beyond the 20 in the poll!!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

For Pitchfork's worldview it's a great list. Plenty of omissions, inevitably, but I like everything here except Weezer.

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

lex, you're being just as big a twat

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

early 90s man. that was our sixties. and we blew it

I love this. Voted for 'G Thang'.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm not the one admitting to deliberately trolling someone to make them upset?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

not admitting to it, no

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

because being disingenuous is so much better xpost

do you know sixty (electricsound), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

even though that's pretty much exactly what you're doing, and you're smart enough and self-aware enough to know that

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

This thread has turned into Summer Heights High. I approve.

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

"i'm a loser so why don't you kill me?" - OK THEN, happily!

^^ still my favorite moment of this thread

max, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

imagining lex sitting back in his chair after typing that to take a sip of his pepsi and say softly to himself "zing"

max, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

well if you're going to pile on me for it, i'd also direct you over there to jess

and what's actually even worse are people like electricsound who contribute nothing except popping in to pile on someone once everyone else starts

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

you know 'sandstorm' even if you think you don't

Nah, I listened to it, didn't sound familiar. Oh well!

jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't drink pepsi

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

dang

max, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm a diet coke with lime man, myself

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

lex - i haven't read the thread, just skimmed it, so i ask this sincerely and feel free to tell me I'm wrong but

1. why so upset about an indie list? surely for a crusader like yourself it is great to see wu tang and aaliyah above nirvana and then after that, you don't really get it so its not worth getting angry about?

2. common people is a pop song, its not exactly supposed to sort out a 1000 yrs of class issues. catchy though. loser is supposed to be funny and silly and throwaway. other stuff we should all just let go.

3. life is for enjoying, not spending yr friday night bitching abouts pitchfork.

:)

a hoy hoy, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

3. life is for enjoying, not spending yr friday night bitching abouts pitchfork.

I think I speak on behalf of many here when I say I will kill you

with my bare fucking hands

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't think common people is overly simplistic or insufficiently nuanced at all btw

zvookster, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol aero

zvookster, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

life is for enjoying, not spending yr friday night bitching abouts pitchfork.

Friday NITE, sure. But Friday afternoon stretching eternally at horrible day job with only 5 minutes of work to fill 3 hours, threads like this are actually really really good for.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

and what's actually even worse are people like electricsound who contribute nothing except popping in to pile on someone once everyone else starts

you really are the most pathetic individual in this entire board's history.

do you know sixty (electricsound), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

1. i'm not upset about the list! i don't know what's on it. i have no intention of clicking on pfork again. i was amused at finding these DREADFUL songs being repped for by anyone, anywhere, and people took offense.
2. "it's just a pop song" is my least favourite defence of stupid or unconvincing songs. though even if the lyrics were any good i'd still hate the sound. "loser" is just a piece of shit.
3. alternative to bitching about pfork is currently transcribing endless endless interview, neither offers much in the way of enjoyment :(

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

One area where I completely have Lex's back is re: Pavement; that song is horrible.

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was amused at finding these DREADFUL songs being repped for by anyone, anywhere

Do you really have no way of understanding what might make some people like them, though? I mean, I don't give a toss about Bob Dylan at all -- I think his music is boring -- but I absolutely get why other people, those who privilege things like lyrics and personae more than I do, find something of value in him. I'd be curious to know why you think so many people like Beck or Pavement or My Bloody Valentine or Neutral Milk Hotel.

jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

(Without suggesting that those people are dumb or brainwashed or whatever.)

jaymc, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll forever rep for "In the Aeroplane Over The Sea". It's one of my favourite albums for a lot of reasons. I don't think it has anything to do with being brainwashed, it's just very good.

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lots of songs by bands I like that aren't necessarily songs I like - Gold Soundz isn't even that great a song.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

reptilian shapeshifters trying to control our brains thru indie music iirc

a hoy hoy, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Don't want to derail thread, but I love Dylan because I privilege singing and personae. Lyrics are a happy third.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think the thread has been officially and thoroughly derailed already.

i love dylan because he's funny as fuck. when he's good.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love Dylan because he wasn't afraid to move to London to be with the girl he loved even tho he had it made in B Hills

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

man i didn't know dylan moved somewhere to be with a chick. hate that dude now.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

9/02/10 was yesterday dudes

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

we're in a post-90210 world now guys

elephant rob, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

hi, deej!

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

missed trick by todd haynes, really

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

see he totally coulda played born again era bob

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

didnt know bob dylan wrote that for cut copy

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

he also wrote the lyrics for "Windowlicker."

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love Dylan because I privilege singing

O_O

Dylan is one of the most insufferable singers of all time.

OF ALL TIME

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 3 September 2010 19:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Where the big bands of the mid-90s were filling theaters and copping the arena-rock moves that had ossified somewhere back in the 70s,

-_-

olivia tribble control (kkvgz), Friday, 3 September 2010 19:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Surely he's not talking about ironic boas!

da croupier, Friday, 3 September 2010 19:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

I always have hated Neutral Milk Hotel. Now I'll explain why

1) It's nothing but campfire music with timely, orchestrated buildup shoveled on top
2) The Vocals remind me of an indie version of Blink 182's vocals.
3) It really comes down to #2 most of all. The singer makes me vomit diarrhea

NMH sound is grating for me and not boring like some people mentioned upthread.

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Now I'm listening to 'Commom People'. This has an equivalently annoying sound.

I listen to a lot of lo-fi and experimental junk so I know the difference of harsh music that sounds pleasing and music that is just an annoyance.

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Again, my opinion is just my opinion on what sounds aesthetically pleasing and what does not. So no offense if I shit vomit to a band you truly like.

false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Friday, 3 September 2010 19:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

"I listen to a lot of lo-fi and experimental junk so I know the difference of harsh music that sounds pleasing and music that is just an annoyance."

do tell!

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 19:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

fair enough. don't know what 'campfire music' means though.

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 3 September 2010 19:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

"holland 1945" is a beautiful song & fuck anyone who disagrees

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 3 September 2010 19:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

so wait, are you shitting vomit or vomiting shit

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Friday, 3 September 2010 19:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

he knows the difference of shitting vomit that sounds pleasing and vomiting shit that is just an annoyance

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 20:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp both at the same time as I listen to holland 1945. but if I hit pause it abrubtly stops until I hit play again

false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

vomiting shit sounds way more like a serious medical condition rather than just an annoyance

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

in the aeroplane over the sea is such a horrible album

dy (max) ia (crüt), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

and it gets unbelievably high ratings. I seriously think it is the most overrated indie album of all 90s

false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

or the most appropriately rated

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

never heard it, does it sound more like shit being vomited or vomit being shat?

ultimusmoron (cozen), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

as with every list ever, why that MBV song? why that kast song? why that pavement song? why that radiohead song?

xp NMH haters - http://i27.tinypic.com/33mreph.gif

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

it sounds like david the gnome shitting into the mouthpiece of a french horn and vomiting onto an acoustic guitar

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 20:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha

false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

if a picture is worth a thousand words, how much is a gif worth

zvookster, Friday, 3 September 2010 20:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

a thousand posts

ultimusmoron (cozen), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Pavement :: Pitchfork as Sgt. Pepper :: Rolling Stone

hands up if you're surprised by any of this...

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 3 September 2010 20:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

hands up if you're tired of shitty analogies

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Would easily have voted for MBV if the choice was "Soon." I'm also not British so "Common People" means nothing more to me than just a good song. I also lived in Silver Lake during the 90s, so I'm fine with all the "Loser" hatred.

Voted Mazzy because I like the song, however I would have voted "Cannonball" over all of these.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 3 September 2010 20:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

actually that's a pretty good analogy

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 20:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm working class and I understand the deep hurt caused to others by Common People. I feel the same way about The Chauffeur by Duran Duran, Smooth Operator by Sade, Country House by Blur, How To Be A Millionaire by ABC, I've Never Been To Me be Charlene and many other songs that rub the restrictions of my damn class in my face! I could only dream of visiting Niece, and the Isles of Greece and sipping champagne on a yacht! When will these people think of the emotional turmoil they're wreaking on the listeners! But at least I had the class solidarity of my brothers in arms Wham! on such socialist sons of toil classics as Everything She Wants and Young Guns! I can only dream of what it must be like to be on the other side of the fence... to not be invited to be part of Jarvis Cocker's gang of misfits... whom I imagine to be slightly like the cast of the Breakfast Club but with odd teeth and jackets from Oxfam.

Loser is such a shit song.

Duran (Doran), Friday, 3 September 2010 23:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Doran: go fuck yourself, you unpleasant dickwad.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 23:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

jesus christ this thread cannot die fast enough

call all destroyer, Friday, 3 September 2010 23:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

wow!!

dy (max) ia (crüt), Friday, 3 September 2010 23:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?" classic song obv but definitely not her best single of the 90s
Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker" cool song but i guess i dont 'get' how important it was so it being in the top 20 is kinda confusing
Beck - "Loser" annoying
Belle and Sebastian - "The State I Am In" never heard
Björk - "Hyperballad" love bjork, but NO she has soooooooooo many better singles from he 90s
Daft Punk - "Da Funk" classique
Depeche Mode - "Enjoy the Silence" yesssssssss
DJ Shadow - "Midnight in a Perfect World" eh i guess
Dr. Dre [ft. Snoop Doggy Dogg] - "Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang" played out but obv classic
Mazzy Star - "Fade Into You" i think i heard this once
My Bloody Valentine - "Only Shallow" - fucks with this
Neutral Milk Hotel - "Holland, 1945" i like this song but no
Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit" obv
The Notorious B.I.G. - "Juicy" never gets old, still he has much better singles from 90s but i guess this is his most seminal...
OutKast - "Spottieottedopalicious" - rosa parks, elevators, playas ball, art of storytelin etc. >>>
Pavement - "Gold Soundz" - never heard this
Pulp - "Common People" - never heard this, i am not a britishes so don't care about ur boring ass class conflicts or boring indie bands
Radiohead - "Paranoid Android" - yep
Weezer - "Say It Ain't So" - um, "buddy holly" pwnz this song
Wu-Tang Clan - "Protect Ya Neck" - not a top 20 single or even the best wu single from that album but i guess

voted for depeche mode

which is weird because if i made a top 100 of the 90s list that probbaly wouldn't crack it all even tho its an amazing song

/ (The Brainwasher), Friday, 3 September 2010 23:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

i would have voted for juicy but that feels to obvious

/ (The Brainwasher), Friday, 3 September 2010 23:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

The crudeness might be regretable but seriously. His reading comprehension is so low and his level of projection of things that were never actually said was so high that I just wanted to make sure my response was absolutely unequivocaly clear.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Friday, 3 September 2010 23:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

ummm, no problem in that regard, KDT

but you may have mistaken light whimsy for a declaration of war...

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 23:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

how long until kate is banned again

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 3 September 2010 23:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

hopefully not too long

"bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 September 2010 23:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

i am always so amazed i am not banned

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 23:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait ur name is kate

does that mean ur a girl

/ (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

hai guys! I'm back from happy hour and I ordered pizza. What class warfare did I miss?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

jesus christ this thread cannot die fast enough

― call all destroyer, Friday, September 3, 2010 6:18 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what r u talkin about this thread is hilar

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

just walked by north coast fest in chicago, the one being headlined by the chem bros, nas, damien marley & umphreys mcgee. i can confirm that, contrary to reports, everyone is not 'a hipster'

also, baggy cargo pants & shell toes = still a thing

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm wearing baggy cargo shorts. Would I be a thing?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

what r u talkin about this thread is hilar HITLER

dy (max) ia (crüt), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

oops good catch crut

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

juicy. i like some of these other songs, but c'mon

momus comes out of the sky and he stands there (del), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alfred - is that a photo of Pulp? Being an American I don't understand what they're supposed to look like.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

LAWLZ

/ (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alfred - is that a photo of Pulp? Being an American I don't understand what they're supposed to look like.

The one on the left is Jarvis Cocker, meeting Beck (right) at Pitchfork '95.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh - so "Loser" is the song Hitler sang to Eva Braun! Now it all makes sense.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

no, that was "Holland, 1945"

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ha!

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

hitlar

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Daft Punk - "Da Funk"
Depeche Mode - "Enjoy the Silence"
My Bloody Valentine - "Only Shallow"
Neutral Milk Hotel - "Holland, 1945"
Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"

One of these. "Enjoy" is the best track I suppose, but it feels like the 80s in spite of its release date.

Arvo Pärty (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

lolser

seandalai, Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Only Stalin

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha

max skim (k3vin k.), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

could it be that only shallow is a reference to stalinist death camps and the lack of human respect for even a proper burial - hence the size of the graves, ONLY SHALLOW? could it be?

baddest boy on the internet (kelpolaris), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

let us contemplate this

baddest boy on the internet (kelpolaris), Saturday, 4 September 2010 00:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lots of songs by bands I like that aren't necessarily songs I like - Gold Soundz isn't even that great a song.

For real -- I am one of those "Pavement, best band of the 90s, I love every record" people and probably always will be. And I don't think Gold Soundz is even in the top half of that record. I feel like "coming to the chorus now" is the kind of self-referential the-song-is-about-the-song business that they carry off so gracefully elsewhere. Here it clunks.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 4 September 2010 01:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

fade into you is my favorite of these tbh

teledyldonix, Saturday, 4 September 2010 01:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

just wanted to pop in and say that I really enjoyed stevie's post upthread about NMH.

shorn_blond.avi (dayo), Saturday, 4 September 2010 03:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, me too, and i'm not even a fan

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 September 2010 03:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am a pretty big fan of that album - and I'll just say that for me, the way in was the lyrics. they are pretty special.

shorn_blond.avi (dayo), Saturday, 4 September 2010 03:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

bet Anne Frank would've verbally skewered Mangum for trying to slum it in her attic.

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Saturday, 4 September 2010 03:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

'slum in her attic' is a potentially great euphemism imo

k¸ (darraghmac), Saturday, 4 September 2010 03:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

slum in her attic and not long until there's one in the oven

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Saturday, 4 September 2010 03:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

slummin it in her attic makes me think there's something anatomically wrong with the girl

shorn_blond.avi (dayo), Saturday, 4 September 2010 03:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

haven't read the previous 10000 responses because I'm sure people are butthurtz for no reason, but gotta go with Windowlicker. I was just listening to it yesterday again for the first time in a while, and the little blurb on the pitchfork list (sounded way ahead of its time in 1999...STILL sounds way ahead of its time in 2010) is spot on.

Z S, Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

1. Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"
2. Daft Punk - "Da Funk"
3. Depeche Mode - "Enjoy the Silence"
4. Pulp - "Common People"
5. Mazzy Star - "Fade Into You"

My Bloody Valentine, Neutral Milk Hotel and even Pavement work better as albums than songs. "Paranoid Android" to me is a remarkable song. gets my vote just because it's cool and so uncool these day (no that's a lie, i can care less about the latter).

Bee OK, Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

i started this, "Please Understand. We don't want no trouble, we just want the right to be different. That's all." PULP - D.I.F.F.E.R.E.N.T.C.L.A.S.S poll before bumping pitchfork 's 90's countdown thread. just a bit ironic that i decided to do that album this week.

Bee OK, Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

gotta admit if they were going to include snoop dogg & dre, they should've placed "hit me baby one more time" somewhere along the top 10 as well. not joking here when i say that song is a classic.

baddest boy on the internet (kelpolaris), Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

i thought it was pretty funny as well... pulp, even tho i realize they "won" the britpop war, was one of those bands i cared little if at all for and thought the same for the majority of ilxors (in the same way none of us truly like blur/oasis/etc). i'd suspect a lot of p4k writers peruse here for inspiration.

baddest boy on the internet (kelpolaris), Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

My favorite is the one that's still causing people to lose their shit 15 years on. Ranked from favorite to most detested.

Pulp - "Common People"
Daft Punk - "Da Funk"
OutKast - "Spottieottedopalicious"
Pavement - "Gold Soundz"
The Notorious B.I.G. - "Juicy"
Belle and Sebastian - "The State I Am In"
My Bloody Valentine - "Only Shallow"
Wu-Tang Clan - "Protect Ya Neck"
Mazzy Star - "Fade Into You"
Depeche Mode - "Enjoy the Silence"
Dr. Dre [ft. Snoop Doggy Dogg] - "Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang"
Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker"
Neutral Milk Hotel - "Holland, 1945"
Beck - "Loser"
Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?"
Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"
Weezer - "Say It Ain't So"
Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
DJ Shadow - "Midnight in a Perfect World"
Björk - "Hyperballad"

MumblestheRevelator, Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

i voted shadow.

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Whoops. I can only apologize for the sensitivities I've discombobulated with what I thought was quite clearly a joke.

Am I really the only person who prefers Hypnotize to Juicy?

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

no

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

And I should say I really like Kate as a poster here, I like the way she sets her stall out now matter how anti-canonical the stuff she has to say it's always well thought out and she's never looking round nervously to see if anyone else agrees with her or not. I'm not surprised that she comes across as slightly embattled sometimes the amount of yapping tools she gets on her back.

But I still think hers is a pretty clear misreading of Common People.

No one else think that Beers, Steers and Queers (remix) should be at number one?

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

just gave gold soundz a relistening....and much as i love pavement, this was the pinnacle of the entire decade? a sloppy, self referential song? it innovates in fucking nothing. i suspect a rewrite, a la the greatest albums of the 90's list.

baddest boy on the internet (kelpolaris), Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thanks, I appreciate that, Doran.

But I think it's a bit ironic to call my personal response to a song "a pretty clear misreading" when you haven't even grasped what I think about it accurately enough to lampoon it. <- this was my issue with what you wrote, not whether it was a "horribly formed" "joke" or not.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Saturday, 4 September 2010 10:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Say It Ain't So is fine and all, but top 20 of the decade, really?

rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, 4 September 2010 11:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp: I understand what your gripe with the song is clear enough - I'm just calling it as a misreading.

You seem to have some kind of issue with something that's happened in your personal life, which in turn suggests that the way that the song rankles with you means the song writing is actually pretty good if it's having these effects of recognition and projection. Cocker is talking specifically about an incident, apart from at the end when he has a broader point to make. And I think your confusion on the terms of cash (told me that her dad was loaded/poor as a church mouse) suggest that you're mixing up something from your own experience with the 'message' of the song (if there is much of one at all...)

"I will never *really* know what it's like not to have an expensive education. "

They met at St Martin's College. They are educationally identical. It would be like a Billy Childish character meeting a M.I.A. character. This has nothing to do with the education system.

"(that one can actually have education and breeding and still be as poor as a church mouse) this does *not* mean that I do not know what it means to live with lack or poverty or difficult choices or narrowed horizons."

If you called your dad he could stop it all.

Breeding?!

"You're right. I will *never* live like "Common people" and, in fact, I absolutely *refuse* to live "like common people" because I refuse to see it as something negative to aspire towards the extraordinary, the sublime, thegoodthebeautifulthetrue. "

Common people should, to be fair, be in quotes on the lyric sheet. The girl from Greece wants to live like common people. Cocker is just answering her statement. You are using common people here to mean people with no imagination and no drive. That is not how the word is being used in the song.

Suede were my favourite britpop band because they were aspirational. Living in the gutters looking at the stars. Sleeping on a bare mattress saving up for the one night of the week when you can strut it like a film star. Blur were the worst because they were downwardly mobile. I don't want some dick who's got a double first from Oxford geezering me around the park going on about pigeon racing. Pulp were observational and everything they said was a lot less militant and a lot more subtle. Whoever (Dorian?) said about Mis-shapes has got it spot on - if you're looking for a message from Pulp that year then you need to listen to Different Class as a whole - it tells a remarkably different story to the one you're giving.

"negative anti-cultural-Thatcherism"

Wrong. The only remotely Thatcherite person in this song is the girl from Greece or her dad. Everyone else - bar Cocker, it should be mentioned - is disenfranchised. Cocker is a freeloading observer, as he clearly makes out. You hear vindictiveness in Cocker's voice where I can only hear warning.

Warning: Everyone hates a tourist. Warning: Like a dog lying in the corner...

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 11:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

As for Neutral Milk Hotel, still haven't heard'em, don't remember'em at all at the time. Were their tapes passed around in college dorms or something? Were they played on college radio?

― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, September 3, 2010 7:36 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

alf did you seriously forget on one of your own threads like a month ago when i pointed out the CMJ chart that listed NMH as one of the top 10 most played albums on college radio in '98? Billboard Modern Rock Hits - 1998

some dude, Saturday, 4 September 2010 13:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

While calling me out for projecting mine own personal experiences onto the song (which I have admitted AGAIN AND AGAIN that I am) - you are projecting equally strongly about who you think I am and what my experiences might be.

I'm sorry, but that does not make for a conversation.

You are using common people here to mean people with no imagination and no drive. That is not how the word is being used in the song.

I am responding, directly, to words used in the song, Describing that "common people" "drink and dance and screw, because there's nothing else to do" <-if that's not description of having no imagination and no drive I don't know what is. Jarvis's words, not mine. This assessment, I am rejecting. This definition of "common" I refuse, point blank, to live.

Now you can just go and argue with your own class prejudices some more because we're not talking to each other, we're taking to sets of assumptions that come from very different lives.

And this really is the last I'm going to say on this thread because I'm sure people would prefer more carping about Pitchfork when THERE ARE TWO OTHER WHOLE THREADS ABOUT THIS SONG & ALBUM.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Saturday, 4 September 2010 13:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hey working class dudes, shall we play pool and listen to Northern Uproar? Where are you going 'Geezers'? Come back and talk about ferret racing with me. I've brought a flask of Tetley's mild with me...

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 13:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Was kinda horrified to read that Damon Albarn had an Oxford double-first, feel very relieved now I've checked and found it's not true.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Saturday, 4 September 2010 14:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

(Horrified in an I've been getting this band wrong way obviously, not a how dare he one!)

Gravel Puzzleworth, Saturday, 4 September 2010 14:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am responding, directly, to words used in the song, Describing that "common people" "drink and dance and screw, because there's nothing else to do" <-if that's not description of having no imagination and no drive I don't know what is

Then you don't know what is. Lots of people have imagination and drive but have not only no resources, but no means of leveraging the scarce things they do have, and no way of even learning how to leverage then. Or perhaps no opportunities to because other responsibilities supercede them. At least in the US, there's an urban/rural aspect here which goes beyond class that I don't even think you've considered.

Shock and Awe High School (Phil D.), Saturday, 4 September 2010 14:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Describing that "common people" "drink and dance and screw, because there's nothing else to do" <-if that's not description of having no imagination and no drive I don't know what is

No, no, no. How can you write this? The point of the bitterness is 'how it feels to live your life with no meaning or control' and watching it slide out of view - because it's all in the hands of people with art school and money and dads who would stop it all. And who can't see it, even when faced with somebody who's done all they can to clamber out of that trap. Calling it lack of drive is pretty ironic when you're the one who suggested that bringing in more heiresses might ameliorate things.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 4 September 2010 14:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

"It doesn't matter that you don't have money or prospects or control over your life! As long as you can color your hair purple and play a guitar or paint, you'll never be common!"

Shock and Awe High School (Phil D.), Saturday, 4 September 2010 14:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

This has become almost comical at this point, the total mutual lack of understanding going on at this point.

Just carry on putting words in my mouth. I'm not even going to bother trying to contradict you any more. Just make up whatever shit you feel like and attribute it to me. Because I really give up on trying to get you to understand what I think and it doesn't seem to make a difference what I actually post.

Enjoy.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Saturday, 4 September 2010 15:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand cut

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 September 2010 15:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Disappointed at Lex's take on Pulp. I hated britpop with a passion at the time and think it was the worst thing to happen in living memory in British music. But then there was all the more reason to cherish the few good 'indie' bands that were round at the time. Pulp were certainly one of them. Have very happy memories of spending two years going to the Blue Note, Turnmills, The Albany, Bar Rhumba, Dog Star, The End when I first moved to London... but listening to Mogwai, Pulp and Suede as much as possible as well. There was no way I was going to hang out in some pub that smelled of piss in Camden, wearing braces, cultivating a cockney accent and pretending to like The Faces and Sleeper. But Pulp were clearly a cut above Oasis. It seems senseless to lump them together.

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 15:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Gravel: I was over exaggerating for comic effect but Blur have, partially gone on to show their true colours in Alex James' politics and profession.

I had much more time for Justine Elastica who was posh, rich, well educated and didn't give a fuck. There's nothing wrong with having money per se.

I'd fucking love some.

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 15:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

There's nothing wrong with having money per se.

wait what?

the whole point of 'common people' is that rich people suck

what is the greek chick to do?

obvi not try to enjoy herself among the poor folk, because they're unsmiling, canine types who'll rip you apart if you even try to bro down with them

so i guess just stick to her own?

i am legernd (history mayne), Saturday, 4 September 2010 15:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

Or not run round Bermondsey swigging Special Brew shouting 'ee by gum, when does the bear baiting begin?'

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 15:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah honestly the biggest wtf for me on this list was "say it ain't so" getting so high. fine track but wwwwwwwwwwwwwtf. and i fucking hate neutral milk hotel, i heard that album and though it was awful -_-

teledyldonix, Saturday, 4 September 2010 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Buddy Holly has the stench of Windows '95 all over it. Say It Ain't So is a relatively laid back number with more interesting lyrics that featured a video where his mother was doing laundry in the garage and they were playing with a hackey sack in slow motion while wearing a t-shirt with a storm trooper helmet on i really don't know what's so strange about all this to you guys.

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Saturday, 4 September 2010 18:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think I like all of these songs except for DJ Shadow, voted 'Fade Into You'

iatee, Saturday, 4 September 2010 18:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Buddy Holly is a cute song but it almost certainly wasn't even the best song released that week.

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Let alone that decade.

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes i am biased b/c many have noticed my fervent fantacism for mbv, but i really truly think almost any song on loveless can be considered one of the greatest achievements of the 90's. pavement could've been a band today.

baddest boy on the internet (kelpolaris), Saturday, 4 September 2010 21:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

1. Beck - "Loser"
2. Neutral Milk Hotel - "Holland, 1945"
3. DJ Shadow - "Midnight in a Perfect World"
4. Wu-Tang Clan - "Protect Ya Neck"
5. My Bloody Valentine - "Only Shallow"
6. Pavement - "Gold Soundz"
7. Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker"

nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 4 September 2010 22:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

OutKast - "Spottieottedopalicious"
The Notorious B.I.G. - "Juicy"
Dr. Dre [ft. Snoop Doggy Dogg] - "Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang"
Daft Punk - "Da Funk"
Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?"
Björk - "Hyperballad"
Wu-Tang Clan - "Protect Ya Neck"
Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"
Pulp - "Common People"
Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker"
Weezer - "Say It Ain't So"

^^^like all these

Beck - "Loser"

^^^don't like

don't know the others don't even know what mazzy star is

unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 22:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF0lRYhhiwI

dy (max) ia (crüt), Saturday, 4 September 2010 22:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

funny thing about Mazzy Star is they were real shy during live performances, and if the crowd got too loud they'd threaten to end the concert. they had one song the fans dubbed the "shh shh" song because Mazzy Star demanded total quiet during it.

funky brewster (San Te), Saturday, 4 September 2010 22:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

hope sandoval is so cute like that isn't she. i mean if you find corpse-like vocal delivery cute. which i do.

i like the lighting in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H88g_Eew4PY

teledyldonix, Sunday, 5 September 2010 03:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Voted for 'Loser'.

zeus, Sunday, 5 September 2010 12:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

probably wouldn't have voted for "Common People", even though it's a great song (and good for karaoke, as someone mentioned way upthread) and I've been replaying Different Class a lot lately... but its ability to set off enormous clusterfuck threads 15 years down the road has to count for something, right?

PS as an American who is 'class-conscious' but doesn't really know about the specifics of the British system, it seems obvious to me that the target is more a certain romantic (young person's?) view of "common people" than, like, every wealthy person in England

I.C.P. Freely (bernard snowy), Sunday, 5 September 2010 16:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

read the thread!
in short, for british people who were around then, the context was a big part of the story.

i am legernd (history mayne), Sunday, 5 September 2010 16:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

Pavement - "Gold Soundz"
My Bloody Valentine - "Only Shallow"
Neutral Milk Hotel - "Holland, 1945"
The Notorious B.I.G. - "Juicy"
Wu-Tang Clan - "Protect Ya Neck"
Radiohead - "Paranoid Android"
Dr. Dre [ft. Snoop Doggy Dogg] - "Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang"
Weezer - "Say It Ain't So"
Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
Depeche Mode - "Enjoy the Silence"
OutKast - "Spottieottedopalicious"
Pulp - "Common People"

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 5 September 2010 16:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost I did read the thread! and like half of the other one. just sayin'.

I.C.P. Freely (bernard snowy), Sunday, 5 September 2010 17:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Who honestly thinks gold soundz is the best song of the 1990s?????

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 5 September 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

some dudes at pfork. read yr blogs.

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 5 September 2010 17:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost I have thought that before, altho not right now (RIP summer)

I.C.P. Freely (bernard snowy), Sunday, 5 September 2010 17:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

someone put on protect ya neck at a party i was at friday night and me and a friend switched back n forth verses and rapped the entire thing. having some girl troubles and was feelin really bummed out all night but it cheered me up so much

samosa gibreel, Sunday, 5 September 2010 17:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Anybody else think that "When You Sleep" is twice as nice as "Only Shallow"? What a lazy pick.

coolsundays, Sunday, 5 September 2010 17:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's arbitrary. i probably would have gone with "to here knows when"

max skim (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 September 2010 17:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Someone else mentioned their tendency to cite a (usually indie) album's first track if there are no famous singles. It's the usual conceit you get in pfk reviews in weird and futile attempts to forge experiential consensus. 'That was the Sebadoh album we had been all been waiting for after the generational trauma of Waco, and it didn't disappoint'. Though I guess every pfk person shares a certain memory of feeling awed the first time they heard the opening chords of Loveless, whether they did or not.

no time for the prussian death cult (nakhchivan), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

"pfk person"!!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

voted 4 the weezer jam cuz its so fukken righteous

swagula (Lamp), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

"i'm a loser so why don't you kill me?" - OK THEN, happily!

^^ still my favorite moment of this thread

when i read this i srsly snapped my fingers & shouted OWNED! at the screen

swagula (Lamp), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

"pfk person"!!

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 September 2010 19:15 (2 minutes ago)

Their writers. The more doctrinaire readers too maybe. No need to be alarmed, they seem harmless enough.

no time for the prussian death cult (nakhchivan), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

"pfk person"!!

Pitchfolk

Duran (Doran), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

"pitchfolk"!

lmborghini (The Reverend), Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

"their writers"!

max skim (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

voted 4 the weezer jam cuz its so fukken righteous

― swagula (Lamp), Sunday, September 5, 2010 7:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

i lol'd

i am legernd (history mayne), Sunday, 5 September 2010 23:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Voted for Mazzy Star but could've easily voted for anything else. Only song in here I don't care about is Holland 1945.

Moka, Monday, 6 September 2010 03:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

neutral milk in general is overrated hipster trash. "semen stains the mountaintops" -- OoOoO, so edgy, contemporary, and artfully done. ALBUM OF THE DECADE.

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 04:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Anybody else think that "When You Sleep" is twice as nice as "Only Shallow"? What a lazy pick.

― coolsundays, Sunday, September 5, 2010 5:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's arbitrary. i probably would have gone with "to here knows when"

― max skim (k3vin k.), Sunday, September 5, 2010 5:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

great album but let's all stop fronting about it, the songs on it are all pretty much the same right

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Monday, 6 September 2010 04:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Touched" would've solidified everything ever said negatively about p4k, tho. i actually sort of wished it would happen.

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 04:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

"semen stains the mountaintops" -- OoOoO, so edgy, contemporary, and artfully done.

this is ridiculous

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Monday, 6 September 2010 04:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

sorta my point.

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 04:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

I guess every pfk person shares a certain memory of feeling awed the first time they heard the opening chords of Loveless, whether they did or not

otm. anybody who lives loveless fronting like 'only shallow' does not have one of the most stylish, attractive, immediate & just totally, like, mind-blowing (&thus unifying) opening riffs of all time is stinking shit up in this pitchfork thread

Anybody else think that "When You Sleep" is twice as nice as "Only Shallow"? What a lazy pick.

really hate this (type of) post. my favourite song on the album is "i only said" but what the fuck does that have to do with anything, you know?

i saw momus kissing san te claus (samosa gibreel), Monday, 6 September 2010 05:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

in quebec the french acronym for KFC is PFK; poulet frit kentucky and my brain is always tricked when people spell p4k that way

i saw momus kissing san te claus (samosa gibreel), Monday, 6 September 2010 05:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

stinking shit up in this pitchfork thread

sigfiles I would totally use, no. 73 in a series

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Monday, 6 September 2010 05:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

at the same, "i only said" has one of the most cathartic "guitar solos" in music history. i rewound that song dozens of times the very first time i heard it just so i could experience that sense of violent, roaring calm again. for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVj-fc1M_D0
its at about 1:45, but you really have to listen to it in context to really appreciate it. then again i feel like i'm talking down to all of you just by queuing the video up in the first place, so i'll shut up now.

only shallow is a cool song but i hardly find "tap tap tap" the sole reason it truimphed amongst all the others. soon, or what you want, really should've taken it's place.

but what i care? life goez on.

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 05:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

OH FUCK IT NOW IM ANGRY

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 05:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

man you ain't gotta scarequote guitar solos - guitar solos are awesome iirc

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Monday, 6 September 2010 05:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah but it's more like a continuation of what's already been going on, with another layer of what i'm just going to presume is a sample machine and really mixed-far-back vocals. it's more like a change of pace than a guitar solo. mbv doesn't really have guitar solos. either way.

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 05:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think its like, people who love mbv have not only just heard only shallow but have probably listened to loveless a billion times and have rewound that "solo" and cultivated a small crop of extra favourites that are the ones that are closest to the innerest folds of their heart and stuck with them. but unless you are arguing that only shallow is not a good example of what-the-album-is-all-about or that it is NOT a fucking jam (in which case, see: my previous post) there's no point saying there's a more perfect representative, right?

i saw momus kissing san te claus (samosa gibreel), Monday, 6 September 2010 05:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

not at all - i was really more arguing that the "tap tap tap tap" that introduces Loveless is entirely unmemorable. but i'm going to refrain right now as that was a reaction to gibreel's comment that - upon re-read - i realize now refers to the "elephant crying" riff that introduces loveless, and not the way the album opens up with four frantic hits. i really am an idiot and having a hard time believing that that all appeared logical to me(that only shallow's greatest merit is it's first 2 seconds).

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Monday, 6 September 2010 05:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

loool - i understand

i was trying pretty hard to avoid this thread anyways & not expecting much good to come of it :)

i saw momus kissing san te claus (samosa gibreel), Monday, 6 September 2010 05:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's "Blown a Wish" anyway.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Monday, 6 September 2010 11:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

great album but let's all stop fronting about it, the songs on it are all pretty much the same right

― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Monday, September 6, 2010 5:42 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

o no u didn't

i am legernd (history mayne), Monday, 6 September 2010 11:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

No lie I love that album but I couldn't tell you what any of the songs were called on it.

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 September 2010 11:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean I know what some of the titles are but I couldn't pin them to a riff or anything.

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 September 2010 11:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not like I didn't vote Dre on this bollocks anyway.

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 September 2010 11:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'll be real and say i could identify about five:

the first one
loomer
to here knows when
blown a wish (enya everywhere in this bitch)
soon

i am legernd (history mayne), Monday, 6 September 2010 11:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

otm. anybody who lives loveless fronting like 'only shallow' does not have one of the most stylish, attractive, immediate & just totally, like, mind-blowing (&thus unifying) opening riffs of all time is stinking shit up in this pitchfork thread

That may be so, but the album is full of great tracks. As NV said they're difficult to parse in recollection, I've probably played it more than any other album but I forget which songs are which. So my theory was that the evil pfk ppl chose the first track in order to create a sense of phenomenological coherence that may not really exist in our cruelly random world where everybody has a favourite song and nobody knows what it's called [via late capitalism].

no time for the prussian death cult (nakhchivan), Monday, 6 September 2010 11:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nah that big unwindy "shit my tape player's fucked" riff at the beginning was a game-changer at the time and still sounds as good as anything on there.

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 September 2010 11:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

think there was once upon a time a small consensus around the two singles, especially 'soon' [via vague 'dance element' guilt]

i am legernd (history mayne), Monday, 6 September 2010 11:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

That was probably the best known song at the time.

Symphonic Chaos". Melody Maker. December 1990. "And [Soon] won them acclaim from Brian Eno, who, in a lecture at New York's Museum Of Modern Art, described it as 'the vaguest piece of music ever to get into the charts'. If Steve Reich or Glenn Branca had been responsible for it, he continued, they would have been given an award by the classical music establishment."

Though 'To Here Knows When' was vaguer still (released afterwards).

no time for the prussian death cult (nakhchivan), Monday, 6 September 2010 11:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Belle and Sebastian - "The State I Am In":

WTF?!

anyway, i'll go with NMH

Zeno, Monday, 6 September 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

or maybe gold soundz

Zeno, Monday, 6 September 2010 12:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

i dunno how you're wtf'ing b&S then plumping for the other two most milquetoasted tracks on the list but eh

i am legernd (history mayne), Monday, 6 September 2010 12:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Side order of SB with your NMH

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 September 2010 12:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

ok, this last is like the "greatest hits" of 90's indie.

of course there are better songs by pavement/NMH, but gold soundz and holland are good one's and State i Am In is one of the worst B&S songs ever.

if i would make my top 20 90's songs list - none of those songs would appear in it.relatively speaking, those are the best imo.

Zeno, Monday, 6 September 2010 12:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

that "loser" song. i remember that from when it came out! absolutely dreadful. it's like a fucking parody of every socially inept indie mumble there's every been!

...seriously i remember laughing at that song w/my girls in high school, it was so obviously lame.

It is a parody of socially indept indie mumble, which is why it's so great! It's both a parody and a foreshadowing of the next 20 years of indie! Plus it has a sitar! I seriously remember laughing at it -- and the wonderful music video. Laughing at it and laughing in complete joy! My pick for No. 1.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 6 September 2010 13:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

The solo in Weezer, tho, is one of the best guitar solos of all time.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 6 September 2010 13:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Voted "Loser"

Donovan Dagnabbit (WmC), Monday, 6 September 2010 14:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

I vote Paranoid Android cuz it was one of the quirkiest pop singles I ever heard on MTV in the 90s. I was already a Radiohead fan at that point (due to The Bends) but that opening acoustic riff, the video, plus the awesome coda made me clamoring to get OK Computer.

funky brewster (San Te), Monday, 6 September 2010 15:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

you may be way too cool for neutral milk hotel but no way is "holland, 1945" 'milquetoasted'

max skim (k3vin k.), Monday, 6 September 2010 15:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

great album but let's all stop fronting about it, the songs on it are all pretty much the same right

― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Monday, September 6, 2010 12:42 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thanking u

dy (max) ia (crüt), Monday, 6 September 2010 15:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

kev otm

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Monday, 6 September 2010 15:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

lovin "to milquetoast" as a verb tbh

i saw momus kissing san te claus (samosa gibreel), Monday, 6 September 2010 16:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

First time I ever heard "Paranoid Android" was listening to that album while driving around in Athens, Ga, and right when he started singing "Rain down" it started raining I swear to God. I will never forget that day.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 6 September 2010 19:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Woah and i can think of a dozen or so Pavement songs i like more than "Gold Soundz".

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 6 September 2010 20:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Protect Your Neck

Mel Gibson, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty & the current King of Sweden (President Keyes), Monday, 6 September 2010 20:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

if i could go through the rest of my life without hearing anyone say anything about the relative importance of weezer, nirvana, beck, neutral milk hotel, my bloody valentine and the wu-tang clan, it would be aok with me.

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

step #1 in achieving that goal is probably not reading pitchfork, or pitchfork-related ilm threads

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

that "loser" song. i remember that from when it came out! absolutely dreadful. it's like a fucking parody of every socially inept indie mumble there's every been!

...seriously i remember laughing at that song w/my girls in high school, it was so obviously lame.

It is a parody of socially indept indie mumble, which is why it's so great! It's both a parody and a foreshadowing of the next 20 years of indie! Plus it has a sitar! I seriously remember laughing at it -- and the wonderful music video. Laughing at it and laughing in complete joy! My pick for No. 1.

― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 6 September 2010 14:57 (Yesterday) Bookmark

OTM of course it's a parody.

village idiot (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

step #1 in achieving that goal is probably not reading pitchfork, or pitchfork-related ilm threads

but i CAN'T STOP

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

AND THAT IS WHY U FAIL

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

fail is not the greatest of evils; it is worse to want to fail, and not be able to

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

also worse to like NMH

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 09:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

List feels ridiculously revisionist, like it's been put together on the basis of who people rated during the 00s - exhibit A being the inclusion of Outkast.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 11:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nah, lots of people only rep for Outkast's 90s stuff. Yeah it's a shit list but that's legit I think.

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

outkast weren't much known in the uk iirc. maybe it was different in the US, though PROBABLY NOT among future-p4k-writers.

i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

all my posts are predicated on not giving a flying fuck about p4k

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Outkast had three top 20 records in the states and several videos that had huge airplay in the 90s. Pretty inescapable even for people like me who weren't paying particular attention.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

man, why wouldn't you want this list to be revisionist - do you really just want a bunch of pitchfork writers to tell you what they were listening to in elementary school/high school/college?

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

It wd be funner.

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

List could do with some Crash Test Dummies

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

If you think this list was revisionist check out their "songs of the 60s" list, guarantee they were listening to NONE of that shit back then

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

I too would be shocked and amazed to discover that Pitchfork writers were listening to Neutral Milk Hotel and Pavement at college.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait are you complaining this list is too revisionist or not enough now

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not complaining at all, just changing the angle of derision for the sake of it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

i am legernd (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

do you really just want a bunch of pitchfork writers to tell you what they were listening to in elementary school/high school/college?

ideally i don't want a bunch of pfork writers telling me anything about what they've ever listened to

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

again, probably best not to read the site or related ilm threads then

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

They've actually pitched up outside his house, next to the man who sells hotdogs on matchdays.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't read the site!

i always think ilx is better than to agree w/pfork ;_;

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

GOD I WISH

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

i always think ilx is better than to agree w/pfork ;_;

well, you know, broken clocks telling the correct time twice a day and all that...

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean, pfork loved the bug record, which i also loved, and so i think did you... so even you agree with pfork sometimes?

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

more like pfork agrees with me sometimes.

i mean, occasional agreement w/anyone isn't surprising, it's more...i'm constantly surprised, though, i shouldn't be, by how much of ilx self-identifies as, uh, pitchfolk.

They've actually pitched up outside his house, next to the man who sells hotdogs on matchdays.

we got rid of that man.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Really, how?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

our landlord's secretary wrote him a Stern Letter

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lex, a good chunk of the people who currently write for Pitchfork are posters from this board dating back to its inception! It would be weird if there WASN'T any overlap or interest between ILM and Pitchfork, all things considered.

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

"i'm disappointed a message board of people likes stuff i don't like" is a sentiment i just can't grasp!

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

nah I feel that way about the motherfucking Beatles

Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

based on the general response to Joanna Newsom and AnCo/AnCo-related threads, I think that ILM still has connections to the indie world. And any message boards with connections to the indie world is going to acknowledge and discuss pitchfork, as it should. also, disagreeing with pitchfork just because it's pitchfork is just as bad as agreeing with pitchfork just because it's pitchfork.

I don't think this list is very revisionist. It's a pretty accurate top 20 of my 90s, especially ages 12-18.

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's not revisionist of how the '90s played out as much as it's revisionist of what Pfork covered in the '90s (e.g., there's no way the site would've given Aaliyah or BIG the time of day during the actual '90s).

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh yeah totally agree with that.

But, you know, gave Discovery a bad review etc etc

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

and animal collective iirc

The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

ha I went to look just because I couldn't believe it and they gave Danse Manatee a 3.9

everything else got a 7.1 or higher though

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well that makes sense, though -- Danse Manatee was awful.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's not revisionist of how the '90s played out as much as it's revisionist of what Pfork covered in the '90s

Not all that surprising, though, since only three staffers from 2000 are still on board today: Schreiber, Richardson, LeMay.

jaymc, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

From the archives.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

"It's embarrasing to admit to liking this record, but somebody's got to do it. I feel pretty confident there are others just like me out there."

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thank you Ryan Schreiber, I am not alone in my Pet Sho Boys guilty-pleasure love.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think Bilingual is the only PSB album I still haven't heard

feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think this tangent deserves its own thread

Thread For Pitchfork Web.Archive.org fun

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 15:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I know they are obvious but I still have a special place in my heart for "Rosa Parks" and "Miss Jackson".

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Catchall feature today roundly bests the actual list, compleat nonshocka.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 17:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

sorry miss jackson.... i am for reeeeeeaaaaaaaall

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 23:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol fine. but by all standards this is pretty underwhelming to me, esp for a first single. like taylor swift "mine"-level underwhelming.

teledyldonix, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 03:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

wtf lol WRONG THREAD. need to stop opening tabs.

teledyldonix, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 03:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

went with "Only Shallow"

Dan S, Thursday, 9 September 2010 04:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

ditto

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Thursday, 9 September 2010 04:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

DEPECHE MODEEEE

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 9 September 2010 05:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 9 September 2010 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

OutKast - "Spottieottedopalicious" 3

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH?

a hoy hoy, Thursday, 9 September 2010 23:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol. this board hates p4k oh let's all vote.

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Thursday, 9 September 2010 23:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't hate em.

billstevejim, Thursday, 9 September 2010 23:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol at Pavement beating Radiohead

and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Thursday, 9 September 2010 23:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

what is this pulp track common people?

k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 September 2010 23:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Gold Sounds" pffft

van smack, Thursday, 9 September 2010 23:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

237 votes! That's the most I can think of on any ilx poll.

Donovan Dagnabbit (WmC), Thursday, 9 September 2010 23:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

While they're essentially the same thing this top 20 makes way more sense to me than the original one.

Moka, Friday, 10 September 2010 00:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't think ILM hates pitchfork. Speaking for myself I think they're pretty good at what they do, I just get a tad annoyed when they try to force their alt indie cred by giving high review scores to frankly mediocre and forgettable artists just before realizing how crap they actually are and backlashing their careers to death on their future releases - or you know placing 'gold soundz' as the best song of the 90s.

Moka, Friday, 10 September 2010 01:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Gold Soundz

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 10 September 2010 01:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

OutKast - "Spottieottedopalicious" 3

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH?

― a hoy hoy, Thursday, September 9, 2010 7:05 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

this makes me fucking nauseous.

Moreno, Friday, 10 September 2010 01:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Half of the Pitchfork writers regularly contribute to ilm? And I think we can all agree nabisco otm. Even lex and geir.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 01:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

plz say you mean the song coming last and not the song itself is what makes you nauseous?

a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 01:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

it doesnt make you nauseous it makes you <em>nauseated</em>

max, Friday, 10 September 2010 01:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

thankig u max

friends don't understand us, adults don't understand us (zorn_bond.mp3), Friday, 10 September 2010 01:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm tempted to start a meta thread where max thinks he's posting on gawker instead of ilx

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 01:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

the opposite would be funnier

max, Friday, 10 September 2010 01:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

to you

friends don't understand us, adults don't understand us (zorn_bond.mp3), Friday, 10 September 2010 01:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

html is hard to keep track of yall

max, Friday, 10 September 2010 01:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

LOL @ OutKast losing this poll, totally undeserved.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 10 September 2010 02:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

it was a lame outkast choice so deserved imo

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 September 2010 02:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

nice work voting in this thread ILM.

order looks about right for this board.

Bee OK, Friday, 10 September 2010 02:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

pretty lame poll from a pretty lame e-zine
but nice work

false prophets talk in metaphors (CaptainLorax), Friday, 10 September 2010 03:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

Dudes that's like no one's favorite OutKast song let alone someone's favorite song of an entire decade

i sit alone in my three-cornered hat staring at candles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 September 2010 03:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

otm

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 September 2010 03:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

also it was going up against "juicy" + "nothin but a g thang" + a wu-tang clan song

it has no business finishing in last tho

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 03:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah i wanna know who voted for that and not "juicy"

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 September 2010 03:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah but that's the problem w/ half the songs they picked. it's like an artist of the 90's poll dressed up as a singles poll. most of these songs are barley in the top 10 for each these bands. xxpost

Moreno, Friday, 10 September 2010 03:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

i get hopping mad thinking about it

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 10 September 2010 04:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Dudes that's like no one's favorite OutKast song let alone someone's favorite song of an entire decade

― i sit alone in my three-cornered hat staring at candles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:53 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

― max skim (k3vin k.), Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:54 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is insanely rong

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 10 September 2010 04:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

best closing time club track evar

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 10 September 2010 04:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

spottieottie is amazing classic untouchable & way better than like choosing 'rosa parks'

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 10 September 2010 04:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

are you saying that it's everyone's favorite song and the song of the decade?

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 04:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah but that's the problem w/ half the songs they picked. it's like an artist of the 90's poll dressed up as a singles poll. most of these songs are barley in the top 10 for each these bands. xxpost

― Moreno, Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:57 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is otm

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 04:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

also it's the second best song on this list

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 04:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

are you saying that it's everyone's favorite song and the song of the decade?

― J0rdan S., Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

? im saying its easily top 5 outkast track for me. i would have picked 'skew it on the bbq' first but barely

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 10 September 2010 04:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was just saying what the inverse of whiney's statement was

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 04:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

I would have went Elevators tbh

i sit alone in my three-cornered hat staring at candles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 September 2010 04:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

i dont think im giving away any important staff secretes to suggest that it might have also been in the running

the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Friday, 10 September 2010 05:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

voted for spottie, but more in support of outkast than the song, rong as that may be. but shit, better that than NMH or whatever.

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 10 September 2010 05:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol otm at Pavement beating Radiohead

gorgeous, independent, "edgy," house, music (crüt), Friday, 10 September 2010 05:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't get why "Paranoid Android" is now considered uncool. I still think it's kinda perfect, and just as fresh sounding as the first time I heard it.. It's my favorite song of the 90's, and possibly ever.. And as long as they were occasionally choosing weird 2nd or 3rd or 12th most popular songs as their selections, I think "Aneurysm" would have been a stronger choice than "Teen Spirit."

But I voted for "Protect Ya Neck" because I think #1 should've been hiphop instead of Pavement. While any "best of the 90s" list without Pavement should be considered incomplete, I think NYC hiphop defines the 90's more than any other type of music.

billstevejim, Friday, 10 September 2010 05:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

glad to see NMH faring so well, but don't know what anyone sees in 'loser', which to my mind is beck at his obnoxious worst.

charlie h, Friday, 10 September 2010 07:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

frankly shocked wu beat biggie

friends don't understand us, adults don't understand us (zorn_bond.mp3), Friday, 10 September 2010 07:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

frank WHITEly shocked

friends don't understand us, adults don't understand us (zorn_bond.mp3), Friday, 10 September 2010 07:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

smells like suggest ban

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 07:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

"i'm a loser so why don't you kill me?" - OK THEN, happily!

Picture me ¯\(°_°)/¯ ing (symsymsym), Friday, 10 September 2010 07:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't think ILM hates pitchfork.

It doesn't. One or two very vocal posters do and everyone piling in for 300 posts when they say so kind of skews every discussion to look like it's somehow more hated than it actually is.

pissky in the jar (onimo), Friday, 10 September 2010 09:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wu beating Biggie is p otm. Juicy is a terrible pick imo. Also didn't Spottie win the Aquemini poll? Would have gone for only 3 'Kast tracks over it (Players Ball, Elevators, Return of the G).

a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wu beating Biggie is p otm. Juicy is a terrible pick imo.

sb

The Reverend, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

its still a dece song but won't make my top 20 biggie tracks.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

that's fucking insane

The Reverend, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean, i generally prefer wu to biggie but still think that "juicy" is better than any wu-tang song or maybe all but a small handful of rap songs ever

The Reverend, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah u r crazy dude

just sayin, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean

just sayin, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

birthdays were the worst days/ now we sip champagne when we thirst-ay

just sayin, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

but then again you hate bone thugs n harmony so i take your opinions on rap music anyway

The Reverend, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

with a grain of salt anyway

The Reverend, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

spottieottie is amazing classic untouchable & way better than like choosing 'rosa parks'

ILX's coolness toward "Rosa Parks" is so disappointing.

Eric H., Friday, 10 September 2010 11:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean, i generally prefer wu to biggie but still think that "juicy" is better than any wu-tang song or maybe all but a small handful of rap songs ever

fixed

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 10 September 2010 11:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

"rosa parks" is great but a way more boring (and somewhat inferior) choice

The Reverend, Friday, 10 September 2010 11:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Inferior as a choice maybe, not inferior as a song imo.

Eric H., Friday, 10 September 2010 12:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

party & bullshit
gimme the loot
things done changed
warning
the what
unbelievable
big poppa
who shot ya
somebodys gotta die
hypnotize
kick in the door
ten crack commandments
whats beef
notorious thugs
dead wrong
hope u n sleep
dangerous mcs

how many is that? all would pick them all over juicy

a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 12:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

17...

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

the way i voted into this was imagining that i only got to hear one of these songs ever again. and it would not be cool to never hear the spottieotte horns again.

call all destroyer, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

that track has always kicked my ass

call all destroyer, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

isn't it a sample/interpolation from some funk song? you could always listen to that instead

the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

the way i voted into this was imagining that i only got to hear one of these songs ever again.

Precisely the reason "Enjoy the Silence" is the right answer here.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

isn't it a sample/interpolation from some funk song? you could always listen to that instead

― the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Friday, September 10, 2010 Suggest Ban Permalink
6:40 AM Bookmark

pretty sure it is not

dayo reckoning (The Reverend), Friday, 10 September 2010 14:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean, i personally like "warning" and "hypnotize" and "dead wrong" more than "juicy" but you'd have to be pretty daft to think any of those are actually "better songs"

boot tootin' boogie (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 September 2010 14:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

in terms of "entire house parties will stop whatever theyre doing and start rapping along" power there are very few songs that can beat juicy--big poppa and california love maybe

max, Friday, 10 September 2010 15:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Gimme the loot" is the best biggie & "shame on a nuh" is the best wu

billstevejim, Friday, 10 September 2010 16:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU WU

But I would've took a few 2pac songs over all of these.

prettylikealaindelon, Friday, 10 September 2010 16:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Gimme the loot" is the best biggie & "shame on a nuh" "4th Chamber" from Liquid Swords is the best wu

Baluchistan of Landscape Avocado (Pillbox), Friday, 10 September 2010 16:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah wtf sam

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 September 2010 16:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think the only genuine contenders on this list for "artist's best song" are the pavement, bjork and dj shadow tracks. but i don't really care much about dj shadow and couldn't really be bothered championing pavement at the moment, so on that logic might have voted bjork.

charlie h, Friday, 10 September 2010 19:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

"shame on a nun"

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 19:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

SHAME ON A NUN WHO TRY TO RUN GAME ON A NUN

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 19:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think the only genuine contenders on this list for "artist's best song" are the pavement, bjork and dj shadow tracks

Agree with Bjork and Shadow, disagree with Pavement.

I'd also submit for consideration of "best song" status: Wu-Tang, MBV, Aaliyah (this just won the Aaliyah singles poll on ILM ffs!) and Aphex Twin -- tough to say what's "best" for any of these guys, but their tunes in this poll are waaaayy up there.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 10 September 2010 19:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

i understand being a bit tired of "juicy" but saying that it's not even in the top 20 biggie tracks is........................

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 19:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'll say this: sam would've been walking to brooklyn to get diddy a piece of cheesecake

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 20:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

to me "Juicy" is by far the best Biggie pop jam and I applaud any list that has it and not "Hypnotize"

some dude, Friday, 10 September 2010 20:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'll say this: sam would've been walking to brooklyn to get diddy a piece of cheesecake

― J0rdan S., Friday, September 10, 2010 4:00 PM (3 minutes ago)

haaaa

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

best biggie pop jam = "one more chance"
best biggie non-pop jam = "you're nobody (til somebody kills you)"

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 20:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

nahhhh "juicy" is so much better than "one more chance"

some dude, Friday, 10 September 2010 20:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah man juicy now juicy forever

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

"juicy" is 100% biggie's biggest pop jam. it's a standard of popular culture.

re: björk, i don't see how anyone can rep for "hyperballad" as the standout from her discography...

björk songs from the '90s that are way way way better than "hyperballad": human behaviour, come to me, aeroplane, play dead, big time sensuality, one day, enjoy, isobel, the modern things, bachelorette, jóga, pluto, hunter, unravel, all is full of love, my snare, sod off

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, September 3, 2010 7:51 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark

and the brodsky quartet version of "hyperballad" >>>>>> the original, which due to its sequencing on post mostly strikes me as a warm-up for the superior "the modern things"

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

"juicy" is 100% biggie's biggest pop jam. it's a standard of popular culture.

OK, at the risk of exposing myself as hopelessly out of touch, the first time I'd ever heard "Juicy" was on that Girl Talk track. Whereas I'd heard "Hypnotize" and "Mo' Money Mo' Problems" numerous times before that, and I even have a memory of kids in high school quoting "Big Poppa."

jaymc, Friday, 10 September 2010 20:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wondered if this was a US/UK thing, but "Juicy" peaked at #72 on the UK chart and #27 in the U.S.

jaymc, Friday, 10 September 2010 20:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

the first time I'd ever heard "Juicy" was on that Girl Talk track.

like, this sounds actually impossible to me

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 20:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah oh my god - i mean put that shit on at a party and EVERYONE KNOWS ALL THE WORDS

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

and the brodsky quartet version of "hyperballad" >>>>>> the original, which due to its sequencing on post mostly strikes me as a warm-up for the superior "the modern things"

SO RONG

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's kind of amazing how foolproof that is actually, doesn't matter what kind of people are there

xp

max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

the LIfe After Death hits and "Big Poppa" definitely were bigger crossover hits than "Juicy," I don't think it's his biggest hit just his best

some dude, Friday, 10 September 2010 20:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

not sure about "at the time," but juicy is one of literally two pre-2010 songs the local hip-hop station plays constantly. so some revisionism possibly at work.

call all destroyer, Friday, 10 September 2010 22:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

I can barely stand "Hypnotize" now. "Juicy" never gets old, even when I've embarrassed myself doing it at karaoke.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 September 2010 22:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't like hypnotize that much tbh. JUICY 4EVA

teledyldonix, Friday, 10 September 2010 22:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

"hypnotize" beat is the best

J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 22:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Weezer - "Say It Ain't So" 4

lol. also if the criteria was "everyone knows all the words to the track & will belt them out on cue" thennnnnn

swagula (Lamp), Friday, 10 September 2010 22:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

If that's the case, I'm glad only four people will be belting.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 September 2010 22:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Love 'em both (Juicy and Hypnotize). I'd like to pitch "#!*@ You Tonight" or "Playa Hata" as Biggie's best non-pop jams.

her lover who appeared to come from her behind on a car (KMS), Friday, 10 September 2010 23:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

if you can't f/w biggie spitting raw shit over a "rise" loop, i can't f/w you

dayo reckoning (The Reverend), Friday, 10 September 2010 23:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

omg

one more chance remix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> juicy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything 2pac ever made that isn't i get around

a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 23:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

hypnotize kills yall are crazy

*sets trend* (deej), Friday, 10 September 2010 23:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

omg

one more chance remix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> juicy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything 2pac ever made that isn't i get around

― a hoy hoy, Friday, September 10, 2010 6:48 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark

^^^bulllllshit

*sets trend* (deej), Friday, 10 September 2010 23:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

and i like juicy! y'all acting like i think it is awful.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 23:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

sam...

dayo reckoning (The Reverend), Friday, 10 September 2010 23:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

stop digging

dayo reckoning (The Reverend), Friday, 10 September 2010 23:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hypnotize is an astounding song. I've been to functions* where everyone has known all the words to Nearer My God To Thee, and has sung along... it doesn't make it a hip hop standard.

(*Admittedly these have been the funerals of old people in Lancashire, not parties in California.)

Duran (Doran), Saturday, 11 September 2010 00:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah oh my god - i mean put that shit on at a party and EVERYONE KNOWS ALL THE WORDS
― max skim (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:42 (Yesterday)

This has happened to me with "Gimme The Loot" ... Girl Talk chose "Juicy" for a reason.

billstevejim, Saturday, 11 September 2010 00:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

OK, at the risk of exposing myself as hopelessly out of touch, the first time I'd ever heard "Juicy" was on that Girl Talk track.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

wut

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 11 September 2010 00:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

"out of touch" is not the pejorative i would choose there

i don't know, if i could be aware of that song as a 12-year-old in public school in somerset who barely knew that hip-hop existed, i don't really feel there's any excuse for anyone of appropriate age to have first heard it through FUCKING GIRL TALK. i'm proud that i didn't know til today that that cunt despoiled biggie by using his song, i hope lil kim cuts his face up in revenge.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 11 September 2010 00:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

and the brodsky quartet version of "hyperballad" >>>>>> the original, which due to its sequencing on post mostly strikes me as a warm-up for the superior "the modern things"

SO RONG

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, September 10, 2010 8:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

justify? seriously i would like to try to understand how/why "hyperballad" has its rep - it's not particularly successful or well-known, no more so than any other given björk single, and as a huge björk fan since forever it just seems like a literally random choice from her discography. you may as well pick, idk, "cover me".

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 11 September 2010 00:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's my favorite bjork song

dayo reckoning (The Reverend), Saturday, 11 September 2010 00:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

i hope that girl talk doesnt get cut in the face!

max, Saturday, 11 September 2010 01:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

didn't want my mind blown at 9 in the morning but reading a hoy hoy's posts

dayo, Saturday, 11 September 2010 01:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

man

dayo, Saturday, 11 September 2010 01:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

I gotta sit down

dayo, Saturday, 11 September 2010 01:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

*siiiiiiiiiigh*

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Saturday, 11 September 2010 07:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

well "hyperballad", along with "play dead" and "bachelorette", is pretty much the best thing i've heard from bjork to date. it really is a beautiful song with an interesting magic-realism element to the lyrics. i also get more of an emotional sense from it than anything else she's released - it has a certain candour to it and perhaps a looseness to the vocal delivery that you don't hear so much in her later stuff, which seems more calculated and arms-length.

oh and yeah, "juicy" is the best thing i've heard from B.I.G, though i've never listened to him much.

"windowlicker" - yeah, best single maybe. but not the best representation of his talents, i'd say.

charlie h, Saturday, 11 September 2010 07:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

I rep for Hyperballad as the best bjork song from the 90s followed very closely by Unravel and Joga.
Best bjork song from the 00s is Cocoon no contest.

Moka, Saturday, 11 September 2010 08:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

'Hyperballad' is my favourite Bjork song too, though there are plenty that run it close - for me it's not so much about emotional sense or even that it stands out as something different from the rest of her catalogue, it's mainly a matter of execution. I've always loved Bjork's way with phrasing and 'Hyperballad' has so many great moments on that front, "I throoOOOOOooow little things oo-ooff" especially. I also really really love the fluttering snares in the intro. I guess its appearance here is kind of surprising purely because I genuinely have no idea what a consensus Bjork track might be these days.

Gavin in Leeds, Saturday, 11 September 2010 08:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

'Juicy' seems vaguely familiar but if yr not american and weren't around during his lifetime/canonization phase that's probably a pretty common reaction. The track is fine but in terms of lol pimp bildungsroman I'd rather the cold, dead eyed materialism of 86 Schooly D or Clipse.

Clearly 'Gold Soundz' isn't important, but this whole exercise gives lies to the notion of universally ~important~ music, which isn't to decry the utility of canons but I don't think it matters at all that anyone is unfamiliar or unmoved by any of this stuff at 10-20 yrs remove. Loveless is great but it's reasonable to think it's shit too. If someone, somewhere, somehow has never heard SLTS, w/e.

frankie t lamps baby (nakhchivan), Saturday, 11 September 2010 12:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

yup. 'juicy' wasn't this major thing in the uk in the 1990s, and it isn't a standard of popular culture now. prefer it to clipse (and pavement), but ppl are way overdoing it.

The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Saturday, 11 September 2010 12:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

The Tristan prelude is probably 'important' in that decades of formal developments in various schools can reasonably be traced back to it. You could argue something similar with 'Sister Ray' or 'Planet Rock' but I'm not sure it works with anything in the timeframe of this poll. Try in another 10 yrs maybe.

frankie t lamps baby (nakhchivan), Saturday, 11 September 2010 14:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lex dissing "Loser" itt = God's work.

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 13 September 2010 22:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

I have never heard "Juicy." Not that that disqualifies it from being a standard of popular culture or anything.

Gorecki or Go Home (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 00:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

you should its p good

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 00:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I just lost my "Juicy" virginity on Youtube.

Gorecki or Go Home (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 00:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

how have so many ppl not heard that song

*sets trend* (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 00:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't think I knew it by name before I started posting here 5 yrs ago and saw it getting mad love from ilxors; in my defense tho I was born in '87

the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

and it has since been added to my archive of "hip-hop songs known by heart (and regularly rapped acapella in my car since the radio broke in order to keep myself entertained)"

the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

you've failed me again ilxor.... protect ya neck has cool lyrics and swagger sure, but it doesn't hold shit for peas compared to gold soundz/only shallow/windowlicker. god u guyz suck.

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was born in 86 and never heard it when it came out but i've still known it since at least the late 90s. and even if you aren't a hiphop dude like i was, it gets played all the time at parties and bars. no excuse.

markers garvey (The Reverend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was gonna omg at all the nvr heard juicy ppl but I've nvr heard a pulp song

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh never mind, you have heard it haha. misdirected ire.

markers garvey (The Reverend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

think 'mo money mo problems' was my first biggie song but 'juicy' was also pretty inescapable where I grew up

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

i saw Juicy on Yo MTV Raps when it still existed fwiw

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

wtf pulp sucks were they like a comedy option

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

juicy vs. juicy juicy juice

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

i saw Juicy on Yo MTV Raps when it still existed fwiw

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, September 13, 2010 9:11 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i didnt have cable. we watched it on the box. that was his biggest track while he was alive iirc.

*sets trend* (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol i remember the box

one hood ass geometry teacher (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't even really remember big being alive and i still feel like i was born w/ "juicy" in my head -- i really have no idea how you could have not heard that track

for real

banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

but yeah the idea of not having heard "juicy" before is kind of crazy to me, seeing as I grew up on BIG/am from Brooklyn/etc.

i remember getting in trouble for rapping along to "one more chance" lol

one hood ass geometry teacher (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

god the box was so fucking dope

i remember being so sad when mtv2 bought it out

banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

i got in trouble when i was 9 for yellin BEEEYOTCH not realizing it was 'bitch' & just assuming it was thing rappers said

*sets trend* (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

when you were 13 and kids started saying "bitch" were you all "Y'ALL SHOULD'VE LISTENED TO ME WHEN I WAS 9. YOU WERE SLEEPING!!!!!!"

banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 02:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

ehhh yr reaching. this was an anecdote about 'beeeyotch'

*sets trend* (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 03:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

heehee

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 03:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

i didnt have cable. we watched it on the box. that was his biggest track while he was alive iirc.

― *sets trend* (deej), Monday, September 13, 2010 10:46 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol i remember the box

― one hood ass geometry teacher (The Brainwasher), Monday, September 13, 2010 10:47 PM (35 minutes ago)

at the risk of turning this into another oh mannnn the fuckin box ruled back in the day derail...the fuckin box ruled so hard man

k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 September 2010 03:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

idk i think this goes right into the THREAD DERAILS ABOUT 'THE BOX' canon myself

banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 03:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

:)

k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 September 2010 03:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

did not have the box :(

markers garvey (The Reverend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 04:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

i didn't have the Box either. I would only see it when we stayed in hotels iirc

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 04:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I always thought his biggest song pre-1997 was "Big Poppa."

billstevejim, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 06:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't specifically remember "juicy" from the time, but in about 2000/01 i definitely remember realising OHHHH it's the "it was all a dream" one

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 08:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

rare that the opening line of a song feels iconic in itself

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 08:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Speaking of The Box, it turned out to be 21/24 Whingey. Which is perfect for a classy guy like me.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/28/nc_21_club_081027_mn.jpg

cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 12:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

ok I've been wanting to start a thread about The Box for a minute, gotta do it now

some dude, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 12:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

and even if you aren't a hiphop dude like i was, it gets played all the time at parties and bars. no excuse.

Not at parties and bars I go to, sorry.

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what kind of parties guys like deej and Lex mean when they refer to a song's popularity at "parties." Frat parties? '80s teen-comedy parties? The parties I went to in college involved Moby and Weezer; the parties I go to now mostly just involve someone putting their iPod on shuffle. In most cases people just stand around drinking beer and talking. For a few years I helped organize a New Years Eve party held at a bar in which we picked a bunch of classic songs guaranteed to make people dance, but "Juicy" was not among them.

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 13:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think I might've been familiar with "Juicy" if I were a couple years younger. I paid a lot of attention to commercial hip-hop and R&B in 1992-93 but then started listening to alt-rock radio. So I missed Ready to Die. And I didn't go back to pop radio for another ten years, so I missed Biggie's post-death canonization, too. (Though, like I said, "Mo' Money Mo' Problems" and "Hypnotize" were still big enough for me to have heard them once or twice.) I mean, I probably didn't hear "Are You That Somebody" until maybe 2004.

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 13:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

hipster parties/frat parties/all parties basically played juicy when i was in college?

you cant see me markers (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Were there actual DJs at these parties, or just people putting on CDs? I'm struggling to think of anyone I was friends with in college who would've had a Notorious B.I.G. album.

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

but aren't you several years younger than me and jaymc? I don't really know for sure but I think maybe it took a few years for "juicy" to become like the default/best-known b.i.g. song. I'm 31 and I heard "hypnotize" and "big poppa" way before I heard "juicy," but I think maybe for the dudes on here in their 20s, "juicy" had become one of the canonical b.i.g. songs by the time they were seriously into music and/or going to parties like this. just a theory.
xpost

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Actually, yeah, by the time you were in college, people probably used iTunes at parties anyway.

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

not saying "juicy" wasn't a hit to start with because it obviously was but I think maybe there was just a lag before it became like "the" notorious big song. I don't remember hearing it at college frat parties either.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

I always thought his biggest song pre-1997 was "Big Poppa."

― billstevejim, Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:39 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

As it occurred, yes. But in retrospect, "Juicy" definitely got more of a legacy. Lots o ppl who weren't payin attention in 1994 posting in this thread imo

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm 31 and I heard "hypnotize" and "big poppa" way before I heard "juicy,"

A couple of years older over here, but I had the same experience. I didn't really become a Biggie fan until a buddy made a C-90 of stuff from RTD and LAD, along with selections from Wu solo albums (great tape too).

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Unavoidable super-hit" "Juicy" peaked at #72; "Big Poppa" hit #6. It def became a classic in retrospect.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

iirc and it turns our i do rc

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Also, no frats at my school. Most of the big parties I went to in college were hosted by art/theatre kids.

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

In most cases people just stand around drinking beer and talking

you make parties sound so much fun!

as deej says, it's...all parties, really. house parties, friends' club nights, all of them. i've probably heard "juicy" at the majority of parties i've ever been to.

I'm struggling to think of anyone I was friends with in college who would've had a Notorious B.I.G. album

or maybe this just wasn't true of us. it's not exactly weird to know or have known people who own biggie albums, surely?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

lex how old are you?

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

I also wasn't familiar with Juicy until very recently. Hypnotize was everywhere on the radio in LA when it was released and at college parties in the early-mid '00s. Maybe among a certain set of people it's legendary but definitely not the most recognizable or famous BIG song...in my experience at least.

skip, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

28

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean, i'd say "mo money mo problems" and "hypnotize" are as iconic as "juicy" too

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Unavoidable super-hit" "Juicy" peaked at #72; "Big Poppa" hit #6. It def became a classic in retrospect.

why is whiney using the UK chart positions?!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh wait it was "mo money" that hit no 6 here, "big poppa" got to no 63

weird that "juicy" had a no 72 peak in both UK and US

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Juicy" isn't iconic or his biggest hit, it's just his signature song, the lead single from his classic first, the one that sums him up better than any other song. it'd be a good example of songs that weren't a bands biggest hit, but have gone on to be their legacy song and biggest iTunes seller but it's #2 on iTunes behind "Hypnotize" (#3 and #4 are "Mo Money" and "Big Poppa")

some dude, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

his classic first album, i meant to say

some dude, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

some dude otm

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 14:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

count me down as another one: the real-time Biggie songs I knew were "Big Poppa" & "Hypnotize" & I didn't become aware of "Juicy" until, like, last week. I may have heard it but it never registered.

I wz in a frat, but the music that we played at parties were usually like "Ass n' Titties", "Ms. Jackson", and maritime shanties. And the Dead.

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

I knew "Juicy", but it wasn't as ubiquitous as "Hypnotize" or "Mo Money" at the time.

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

So wait, are we saying more people on ILX are familiar with "Gold Soundz" than "Juicy" because

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's possible I may have heard GS more than Juicy irl...

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Time for another poll, whiney?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

(btw its crazy how p4k could number the ticks burrowed in their collective epidermises & it wd still create huge ripples in ilx...)

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

This "Juicy" conversation is enlightening! The only radio station I was listening to at the time was Boston's R&B/hip-hop station, so I heard "Juicy" a LOT. I assume anyone else who was also listening to hip-hop/R&B stations knew it at the time as well; considering the strong indie/alternative slant of ILM, plus the demographic beginning to skew younger, it's not that surprising that many people here wouldn't be familiar with the song until much later.

and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

actually, (btw its crazy how p4k could number the ticks burrowed in their collective epidermises & it wd still create huge ripples in ilx...) it's nto that crazy, it does make some sense.

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp to Dan...yeah there were no real hiphop stations where I lived in 1994, in fact iirc I wasn't even allowed to watch MTV back then...three rock stations though, so I was well aware of alt-indie stuff.

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's not exactly weird to know or have known people who own biggie albums, surely?

No, not at all! But surely the opposite isn't that strange, either? I don't disagree that "Juicy" is an iconic song for lots of people; my only point is that it's not "impossible" for me to never have heard it before 2006 when that kind of thing wasn't really on my radar screen at all.

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

this seems like one of those weird things where people had different experiences from one another

max, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

oddly enough ime in 1994 "juicy" was then the national anthem of the small central asian republic where i was living but wasnt regularly played on the one hip hop/rnb station there. perhaps because doing so would require anyone listening to stand at attention for the duration. the biggest radio jam at the time was bone thugs n-harmony's seminal thuggish ruggish bone...

swagula (Lamp), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

I really don't know if this is the time to challenge deej's assertion:

i dont think theres a high school student in america who doesnt know who [gucci mane] is.

― *sets trend* (deej), Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:09 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

hahahahahaha

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

apparently deej didn't know any super-Christians growing up

and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

iirc there was a year or so in 94-95 that was the only time in the '90s that my family didn't have cable, and the lack of MTV kind of left me with some weird blind spots where I kind of totally missed a few big songs/artists I would've otherwise known from that period. Biggie's first album was one of them, I think my first exposure to a Biggie song was when David Spade went "I love it when you call me big poppa" on SNL. so i didn't even hear a lot of Biggie until he died (whereas 2Pac had been big earlier than '94 so I knew all his big singles).

some dude, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

iirc there was a year or so in 94-95 that was the only time in the '90s that my family didn't have cable

Haha I've literally never had cable.

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

doesn't this basically boil down to the divide between "hip-hop" and "mainstream" music/radio being much more strongly in place in '94? feels like that wall didn't really start to come down until the post-"Fantasy (Remix)", Bad Boy Entertainment, east-coast-vs.-west-coast era was in full effect (at least this is how rap (beyond MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice) first started to penetrate my sheltered suburban consciousness)

the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't know, i mean snoop, dre, 2pac and wu were pretty huge at my high school (i'm 31). not so much biggie til college, "hypnotize"

Moreno, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah but bernard is right in that if you lived out in the sticks, like i did at the time, then you might not have lived within listening range of an all-rap station, and the pop or R&B station might have played as little rap as possible, which is why not having MTV for a few months dropped me pretty well out of touch with hip hop for a while

some dude, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

in the uk 'hypnotize' and (more so) 'mo money mo problems' ('featuring the puff daddy' as it says on my cd) were crossover chart hits. we didn't have as many radio stations, or as much diversity, or anything like as much cable tv. so 'juicy' came and went and was probably heard by rap heads but not by anyone else. (similarly 'california love' was tupac's first hit here. apart from method's collab with mjb i doubt wu-tang had a hit, collectively or individually, till 'gravel pit'.) 'juicy' does seem to be a thing among people who are actively interested in rap music/hipsters/______ but otherwise no.

history mayne, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

fwiw went to a lol 90s 'hipster' dance party a coupla weeks ago & the biggie song that had the most ppl (median age like 22) 'rapping' along was "dead wrong"

i dont think this proves anything but yknow

swagula (Lamp), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

'juicy' was the 1st biggie song i heard, watched the video on the box, stuck w/ me in a way big poppa didnt, everyone at my jr. high & high school knew it, not sure what else to tell u except what max said

you cant see me markers (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

idk i think im saying imo its kind of weird to not know anyone who had a biggie cd in college?? am i crazy

you cant see me markers (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean ive said before in chicago biggie wasnt nearly as big as bone thugs or tupac around the same time, but juicy & big poppa def had their time

you cant see me markers (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

i get the feeling that deej went to a way less diverse high school than me when he gets on the "everyone in my high school" kick.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

my only point is that it's not "impossible" for me to never have heard it before 2006 when that kind of thing wasn't really on my radar screen at all

i mean...yeah, i guess i don't find it surprising that eg my mother has never heard "juicy", what with that kind of thing not being on her radar. or if you were in prison for the second half of the 90s and first half of the 00s, it wouldn't be impossible for it to have bypassed you in that case either.

i just find it really surprising that someone with an interest in popular music could have made it through their late teens and early twenties, and the parties in that period, without having heard it - not even played, maybe, but talked about, referenced. or that thing where you realise that biggie is a big deal and you might want to quietly check out some of his biggest hits.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

i get the feeling that deej went to a way less diverse high school than me when he gets on the "everyone in my high school" kick.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:24 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my h.s. was fairly diverse but, like, black pop music was basically the sound & texture of popular culture at the time. white kids all knew the lyrics to biggie songs. the basketball pep band used to cover 'are you that somebody' like a year after it came out

you cant see me markers (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Did Usher DJ your prom and teach you all a routine for "The Rockafeller Skank"?

da croupier, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

history mayne, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

i just find it really surprising that someone with an interest in popular music could have made it through their late teens and early twenties, and the parties in that period, without having heard it - not even played, maybe, but talked about, referenced. or that thing where you realise that biggie is a big deal and you might want to quietly check out some of his biggest hits.

By the time Biggie became a big deal, I wasn't really interested in "popular music" per se. Late high school and college for me was all about burrowing further into indie rock, post-rock, IDM, and the like. I did manage to hear some pop/hip-hop songs here and there -- e.g, Eminem seemed very inescapable right around the time I graduated from college (2000). Friends of mine who weren't normally into hip-hop bought The Marshall Mathers LP, and "The Real Slim Shady" was played on the Chicago alt-rock station, which I still occasionally listened to when I was home from school. But that was an exception.

When I finally came up for air in 2003, I did go back and discover some stuff I'd missed out on, like Missy Elliott and Aaliyah and OutKast. But for whatever reason, I never thought to check out Biggie. Tbh, I only downloaded Ready to Die after watching The Wackness (lol) two years ago.

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

deejer,

I mean, I would say that black pop/rap was definitely the DOMINANT dialogue in my HS. But there was also a huge Green Day/Sublime/Metallica contingent that wouldn't touch the stuff as well as an equally huge contingent of like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbH60wCO-Yw

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ha, I just remembered how when The Marshall Mathers LP came out, I felt frustrated b/c I found Em very fascinating and wanted to write an essay on him as a ~cultural phenomenon~ but felt like I lacked any kind of immediate context for his music, since I was too busy listening to Mouse on Mars or Jim O'Rourke or whatever.

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

I remember in high school, my biggest beefs were the popularity of

Live's "Lightning Crashes, Boyz II Men's II and the Macarena

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think deej and I went to similarly diverse high schools, but maybe the difference is that I went to h.s. in the early 90s, when alt-rock still felt like the predominant musical current. The people I knew who were really into music were all like 120 Minutes devotees.

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

I def think you have to make a distinction between "the people who you knew" and "the people I went to high school with."

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Like I only can't conceive of any high school where everyone listens to the same shit

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

While he was alive, I definitely knew "get money" & "crush on you" .. and throughout 97 pretty much all of the singles from both Life After Death and Victory were super ubiquitous.. I didn't know of "juicy" until around 2000 (due to college parties, funkmaster flex, etc etc).. so I got the impression that its legacy as his signature song grew the most throughout the 00s.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

In my sophomore English class in '90, a total dork carried a pencil case for his art class on which he'd written "Beastie Boys rule!" I thought, "lol who cares about the Beastie Boys in 1989?" Paul's Boutique was a non-event then.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^ that's a massive truthbomb

and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

The thing I've always wondered about is how Check Your Head immediately got to be a big deal if Paul's Boutique wasn't. Was it just that MTV got behind it in a big way or was Paul's Boutique already getting more love in the interim?

da croupier, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

as a kid I had no real grasp of what was going on with those guys between the baseball cap Ill videos I saw all the time and the sock hat Check videos I saw all the time

da croupier, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Hey Ladies" was huge on MTV but it was definitely pushed in a "Doowutchyalike" sort of way, a kitsch goof. No question the record went over almost everyone's head, completely slept-on or at best misinterpreted until after Check Your Head. Definitive ahead-of-its-time record.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

also "non-event" is hyperbole

and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

All I know is I bought SPIN in March or April '92 and the Beasties were already cover stars with the headline "Best Album Ever?"

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

also "non-event" is hyperbole

Okay: "total fucking flop" is more accurate.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

croup, "Pass the Mic" was massive as the lead single on MTV. Twinned the rise of street skating and the toughening of rap, moving away from the club.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

I def think you have to make a distinction between "the people who you knew" and "the people I went to high school with."

True. After I posted that, it occurred to me that there could have been wide swaths of people listening to Biggie in '94 and I wouldn't have necessarily known. Although, as I believe I mentioned upthread, I do remember my friend Chris quoting "Big Poppa." Not sure I realized who it was by at the time, I just thought "lol rap" (or rather "lol at the incongruity of this pale skinny Converse All Star-wearing smart kid reciting mainstream hip-hop lyrics"). (Actually, haha, Chris was a big Beastie Boys fan.)

jaymc, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

The thing I've always wondered about is how Check Your Head immediately got to be a big deal if Paul's Boutique wasn't. Was it just that MTV got behind it in a big way or was Paul's Boutique already getting more love in the interim?

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:42 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Basically after rap fans abandoned em, they fit snugly into the new post-Nirvana Alternative Nation thingy

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Hey Ladies" charted higher than "Pass the Mic" but I never, ever heard the former on the radio while the alt-rock station in the Twin Cities played the shit out of both "Pass the Mic" and "So What'cha Want"

and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

You must be talkin' about GARUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNGE

cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

nah

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

"So What'cha Want" fit in beside "100%" and "Lithium" a lot more comfortably than "Hey Ladies" did around Richard Marx and Skid Row.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think another problem faced by Paul's Boutique is that it strongly embraced sampling of various funky 70s tunes at a time when folks were still trying to forget that the 70s had happened. It seems hard to believe now, but 70s nostalgia was kind of a bizarre notion in 1989.

Moodles, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

'Twas something Mike D said to Tabitha Soren when she tip-toed around "post-Nirvana Alternative Nation thingy", Whines.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Moodles diamond-tip otm

cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well, it's sorta true. 1989 and 1990 were also the peak of house crossovers, which pilfered seventies disco left and right.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 19:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't really know for sure but I think maybe it took a few years for "juicy" to become like the default/best-known b.i.g. song. I'm 31 and I heard "hypnotize" and "big poppa" way before I heard "juicy," but I think maybe for the dudes on here in their 20s, "juicy" had become one of the canonical b.i.g. songs by the time they were seriously into music and/or going to parties like this. just a theory.
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― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, September 14, 2010 7:04 AM Bookmark

is otm, as it did take a while for it to become biggie's legacy song ahead of his bigger hits, but deej and lex are right about "juicy" getting played at all types of parties. it peaked at #27 btw, not #72.

markers garvey (The Reverend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm totally on deej & lex's side re: "juicy" (also re: gucci mane -- whiney lives in williamsburg, let's remember this) -- seriously everyone i knew in high school would instantly know that "it was all a dream" was the opening line of "juicy", or at the very least a song by notorious BIG -- and i went to a not very diverse high school

must be an age thing? i have no idea -- & all my friends then just listened to the strokes

banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 23:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think it might also be because i (and presumably you and deej) never actually hung out exclusively with people who shared our music taste in school or university

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 23:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think theres some history rewriting going on if ppl think juicy is a canon biggie song only in retrospect or something

you cant see me markers (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 23:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

It depends on where you were when the canon was being compiled.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 23:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

first off, none of my friends listened to the Strokes, J0rdan...in fact I don't think I hung out with people who listened to the Strokes until prolley 2004-2005, by then of course they were past their prime: so it goes...

I told my good friend/recent neighbor that I only heard Juicy for the first time a few days ago and he nodded, unsurprised, noting that I was white and that I never went out. I'm sure he was reaffirming in his head that Biggie was neither obscure nor European nor active musically in the 70s (as per his usual dogging on me...)

i wish them hell and happiness (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 23:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

It depends on where you were when the canon was being compiled.

― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:32 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

i guess if you werent listening to the 'rap canon' when the 'rap record in question' was being released then you might somehow have missed one of its 'biggest artists' 'biggest songs'

you cant see me markers (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 23:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

not sure why i went all out w the scare quotes there

you cant see me markers (deej), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 23:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

OK so now we're arguing about what kind of bros we befriended ten or fifteen years ago.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

it seems totally reasonable to think that there are tons and tons of people (young people, old people, people in between) who still haven't heard juicy

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

arguments like this are totally infuriating because people conflate "EVERYONE IN MY HIGH SCHOOL" with "everyone that I actually hung out/talked to in high school"

and then when I introduced the word "diverse" to describe my high school, I meant "including a huge cross-section of cowboys and skaters who didn't give two fucks about biggie" people immediately started using diverse to mean "lots of blacks and latinos went to my high school"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Also, remember that entire reign of BIG, from the premiere of "Juicy" through his death occured WHILE I was in high school, so these weren't yet "rap classics," they were "songs on the radio"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

ie, like J0rdan said, it might be an age thing

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

my hs was about 2% black. :/

markers garvey (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

ppl mostly listened to like...limp bizkit and eminem, except for the younger kids who all seemed to listen to emo

markers garvey (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

'Twas something Mike D said to Tabitha Soren when she tip-toed around "post-Nirvana Alternative Nation thingy", Whines.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, September 14, 2010 3:02 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

Ha, yep. Whenever grunge comes up I almost always get a little "You must be talkin' about GARUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNGE" earworm from that clip. God knows how many years later it is now. Damn you, Mike D!

Position Position, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

even the fucking nerds sitting around listening to talking heads at the age of 12 knew what "it was all a dream/ i used to read 'word up' magaine" is from is what i'm saying

that's like the most iconic line rap music, or so i thought

banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

Stereotypes of a white indie male misunderstood
And it's still all good

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

and then when I introduced the word "diverse" to describe my high school, I meant "including a huge cross-section of cowboys and skaters who didn't give two fucks about biggie" people immediately started using diverse to mean "lots of blacks and latinos went to my high school"

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, September 14, 2010 7:26 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is not what i meant weirdo. at my h.s. white ppl were really really into rap too .... u couldnt throw a wallaby w/out hitting a white dude who bought 'wu tang forever' the day it was released

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

and at my college, white frat dudes all listened to / knew biggie songs!! esp juicy!! as did ... everyone?? its a totally standard obvious rap classic

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

it was a single! with a video! from one of the most well known rappers of the nineties! his first crossover hit!

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

man, you really travel in some circles full of not exceptionally diverse white people then

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

is that it? are we all the same to you, deej?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

at my h.s. most of the white ppl were not really really into rap and those that were were really really westcoast-centric. more likely to talk up brotha lynch than biggie.

j0rdan's post is weirding me out tho. i never even heard of talking heads til i was in college (although i knew "genius of love" at that time)

markers garvey (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was mad into Talking Heads in like 7th grade

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

man, you really travel in some circles full of not exceptionally diverse white people then

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, September 14, 2010 7:46 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how does that compute? yr 'pulling a whiney' itt

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't remember hearing biggie on the radio at all until "hypnotize", although i do remember seeing "big poppa" on mtv at the time. only east coast rap i remember hearing on the radio here at all from like 94-late 96 (coincidence w/ tupac's death or no?) is ll cool j.

markers garvey (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

whiney has a point, dude. i knew tons of white ppl in hs that didn't f/w rap.

markers garvey (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

i know those ppl exist -- obv they lived in caves w/ jaymc until they were rescued by girl talk in 2006 -- i was just responding to his weirdo interpretation that i was telling everybody how many black & latino ppl were at my high school

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

with my headphones slammin playin iron maiden
sleepin in the lobby of the days inn

^ most iconic line in rap music

having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

u couldnt throw a wallaby w/out hitting a white dude who bought 'wu tang forever' the day it was released

A school full of white Wu-bangers and wallabys...I'm going to assume this school's class of 2010 is being filmed in 3D.

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XI1AJWnt7s

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

i know those ppl exist -- obv they lived in caves w/ jaymc until they were rescued by girl talk in 2006

Hey I never heard "Carry on My Wayward Son" before Night Ripper either!

jaymc, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Also never heard "Don't Stop Believin'" until the movie Monster in 2003. FYI.

jaymc, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp i did but only because my workplace played a classic rock station

markers garvey (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll notate when I first heard the songs in Pitchfork's top 20:

Wu-Tang Clan - "Protect Ya Neck": Don't remember ever hearing this, but it looks like I downloaded it when it made the Pitchfork 500 a couple years ago and listened to it once then. 2008.

Pulp - "Common People": My guess would be 1997 or '98. One of my best friends in college was a girl who was born in England and still very much an Anglophile, and I'm reasonably certain she owned Different Class.

My Bloody Valentine - "Only Shallow": 1999. And the reason I know with such certainty is that there was a campus-band festival on the quad, and a friend of mine assembled a few of us to play in an ad hoc band, and we covered this.

Björk - "Hyperballad" - 1997. Knew people that bought Homogenic the day it came out.

Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?" - 2003 or '04. Almost certainly downloaded after having read about the song on ILM.

Beck - "Loser" - 1994. Heard it on Q101.

Neutral Milk Hotel - "Holland, 1945" - Tough to say. I bought NMH's On Avery Island in Jan. '97 because I'd read a good review in Magnet or whatever, but I didn't much like the album, so I never bothered with In the Aeroplane. Only a few years later did I realize that it become this huge cult classic. I own the album now but only because I think someone included it on an mp3 CD with a bunch of other tracks they gave to me. Sometime in the mid-00s, although when 0:02-0:05 was sampled on Night Ripper, I didn't recognize it.

Daft Punk - "Da Funk" - Possibly 2002. I was performing a one-man show at a small theater in Chicago, and one day, the producer-director showed up early and put on Homework while we were getting things ready. I remember giving him shit about it, since at the time I had an unfortunate kneejerk reaction toward anything resembling house music. He shrugged and said, "I dunno, it's actually really good." I'm pretty sure he got into the album when he was on study abroad in France. I bought it used two or three years later.

Depeche Mode - "Enjoy the Silence" - 1990. Heard this shit on the radio in 7th grade. My friend Jon was a big Depeche Mode fan, IIRC.

Mazzy Star - "Fade Into You" - 1994. Fairly sure this was played on Q101.

Aphex Twin - "Windowlicker" - 1999 or 2000. My roommate Eric in college was a big Warp records nerd, and he'd play the video for this on his computer. Not sure if it was embedded on the CD or if he'd downloaded it or what. I thought it was hilarious and awesome.

The Notorious B.I.G. - "Juicy" - 2007? Maybe before, who knows.

Pavement - "Gold Soundz" - My friend Chris bought me Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain for Christmas 1995.

Nirvana - "Smells Like Teen Spirit" - 1992. Hmmmm, I don't remember it being played much on the radio stations I listened to (mostly top 40 and "urban"), but I have a hazy memory of having heard it not long after it was released and being intimidated by its dark moody noise but also surprisingly impressed.

Dr. Dre [ft. Snoop Doggy Dogg] - "Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang" - 1993. Most likely on WGCI, the "urban" station.

DJ Shadow - "Midnight in a Perfect World" - 1996 or 1997. Chris bought this not long after it came out, and I think I dubbed it off him during winter break of freshman year. But I'm not sure I entirely trust that memory, since I also vaguely recall him not liking the album and me buying the CD off him, along with a Dirty Three record.

Radiohead - "Paranoid Android" - 2001. Probably I overheard it in college; one of my roommates was a fan. But even though I'd certainly heard "Creep" and "Fake Plastic Trees" and "Optimistic," I didn't actually get into Radiohead until 2001. After college I was hanging out a lot with my friend Matt, who had an enormous music collection and very catholic tastes, and I began to realize that my tastes had lately refined to the point where they were becoming a dead end. Since a few other friends of ours were Radiohead fans, I decided they were a band I should really check out. I'm pretty sure Matt burned me the CD.

Belle and Sebastian - "The State I Am In" - 2001. I'd heard The Boy with the Arab Strap and If You're Feeling Sinister in 1998-99 and Fold Your Hands, Child, You Walk Like a Peasant upon its release in 2000, but I don't remember having heard Tigermilk before 2001 or so. I might have dubbed it from my friend Colin.

Weezer - "Say It Ain't So" - 1995. On Q101, undoubtedly.

OutKast - "Spottieottedopalicious" - 2007 maybe? Whenever I bought Aquemini. (This is why I wish I'd been able to preserve iTunes metadata when I upgraded my computer two years ago.)

jaymc, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

im not sure if this is the right thread for this but i just want to make sure everyone knows that i have several black friends

max, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Aaliyah - "Are You That Somebody?" - 2003 or '04. Almost certainly downloaded after having read about the song on ILM.

ok, i'm with deej, you really do live under a rock

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm actually more surprised about "Paranoid Android" taking till '01! Esp. considering "Hyperballad" and "Common People" were already familiar

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

ah wait missed the "probably overheard it in college" part

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

hahaha in a "who am i to be speaking" moment, i just realized i never heard any of the songs on this list by white people during the 90s (although i was familiar with "loser" from friends playing weird al's "alternative polka"). i still haven't heard seven of them.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

not one of these, aside from nirvana/weezer, ever got airplay back then did they? i just remember the 90's as a whole lot of eminem and offspring.

lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

alright ban kelpolaris

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

songs on this i've never heard

dj shadow
bjork
depeche mode
mazzy star
aphex twin
pavement (before i looked it up because it won the poll)

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've made no bones about the fact that I didn't listen to commercial pop music at all between like 1994 and 2002!

In the summer of '98, when "Are You That Somebody?" came out, I had a weekly internship at Minty Fresh Records and listening to stuff on the label, like the Aluminum Group and Komeda. I was still thick in the midst of a crush on both Stereolab and Tortoise. The only radio stations I fucked with were the college station in Kalamazoo, and the AAA and alt-rock stations in Chicago. I didn't have cable. I heard "Flagpole Sitta" because it was used in the commercials for Disturbing Behavior. I heard "Criminal" on Q101 while driving to the northern suburbs to jam with friends from college. I heard "One Week." One of the CDs I bought right before the end of my sophomore year was Gastr del Sol's Camoufleur. I read Pitchforkmedia.com for the first time when I was looking for reviews of that album. I borrowed David Grubbs and Steve Reich albums from my friend Colin. I listened to Sonic Youth's A Thousand Leaves, even though I thought it was a step down from Washing Machine. I made awesome synth jams on a Korg I borrowed from the head honcho at Minty Fresh. I saw a ton of indie movies, like Whatever and Your Friends and Neighbors and The Opposite of Sex and Buffalo '66 and Henry Fool and Slums of Beverly Hills, but I never saw Dr. Dolittle. Never heard "The Boy Is Mine," either.

jaymc, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 04:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

...but I'm losing my edge!

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

j0rdan listen to Enjoy The Silence on YouTube, I'm like 100% certain youve heard it

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll cop to never having heard that Belle & Sebastian song

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

for a period in the late 90s following a severe head injury the sound of my refrigerator humming at night sounded exactly like the mazzy star song listed here

i first heard "smells like teen spirit" vacationing in belgium in 2002. it was playing over a german-language commercial for the hyundai accent.

i have never heard the björk, depche mode or outkast singles &, quite frankly, hope i never will.

during my senior year of high school in 2001 my roommate alexander lost his virginity to beck's loser. consequently he would play it on repeat while studying for ap chem finals. he was also a big aphex twin fan but claimed that, with the important exception of the 1st 30 minutes of "selected ambient works vol. II", nothing aphex twin ever recorded could be played during sex.

i 1st heard nothing but a g thang during a fifth grade presentation on the effects of air pollution. it played over a montage of fish killed by acid rain.

as far as i cant tell the belle & sebastian and aaliyah singles are situationist pranks executed by the editors of pitchfork. no such songs have ever existed, nor should they.

the radiohead song was used in the short lived cbs situation comedy "the naked lens" starring rhea pherlman and téa leoni. i 1st heard it in a commercial for a high-end swiss watch brand.

the pulp song was played regularly in british taxi cabs when i was living in london while my stepfather oversaw a bank merger there. this was ~1997/8. i cannot pinpoint the moment i heard it any more exactly.

i bought and still own "in an aeroplane over the sea" on compact disc. however i have never listened to it & the disc remains in its original shrinkwrap. i 1st heard holland 1945 @ an indie dance night at stanford.

as for the rest i probably first heard them during a brief and rather foolish infatuation with shortwave radio when i was 12.

swagula (Lamp), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

i've never heard that nirvana song. should i check it out on youtube?

charlie h, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

j0rdan listen to Enjoy The Silence on YouTube, I'm like 100% certain youve heard it

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:09 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

haha was just coming down here to post this -- its def wayyy too dancey & uhhh awesome for him not to be into

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

imo any respectable cut copy fan shd really know that jam

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

i might've heard this before but it doesn't ring any bells

it is really good tho

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

thought i heard a dope depeche mode song on the radio last month but it was actually this d-_-b

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOyyrB1wj04&feature=related

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

i've never heard that nirvana song. should i check it out on youtube?

― charlie h, Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:19 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^this guy laid the foundation for a good run of sockpuppetry in the al ship top 50 rock songs thread but really just blew the whole thing here

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

had no idea ned raggett had a band xp

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

tbh w/ d-mode i was always more a personal jesus fan as far as that big jams go

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

i imagine that everyone from the 80s looks like ned raggett

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

if gr80 REALLY wants 2 show me how to live he needs to get a video of ned karaoke'ing this next time

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

ban charlie h

markers, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

sorry for that guys.

anyway, in seriousness i had to double check that i'd heard the aaliyah song. everything else i could recall because it was either a) right up my alley, or b) a staple from my youth.

charlie h, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

pretty good Lamp post up there

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes, quality

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is my favorite Depeche Mode knockoff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OJahIpVzR0

jaymc, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

^that's some good shit

as far as farces go, this thread is pretty weak

hobbes, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

gonna have to check out this "WU TANG CLAN", though, thanks ilx

hobbes, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

you mean you don't know?

hobbes, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

not trolling here, but when/how/why is "SpottieOttieDopaliscious" a thing? I had to look it up on YouTube just to know what Kast song it was... :/

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

TR0LLIN but you mean you don't know?

hobbes, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

it doesn't even have a wiki page

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

cuz it's fucking dope? idk

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 06:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

it has the best horn chart ever?

The Reverend, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 07:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

i imagine that everyone from the 80s looks like ned raggett

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:28 PM Bookmark

does this include madonna?

The Reverend, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 07:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

many ppl had sideburns in the 80s

hk phooey (crüt), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 07:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^^^ Jason Priestly waited until '91.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 11:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

im not sure if this is the right thread for this but i just want to make sure everyone knows that i have several black friends

― max, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 05:33 (6 hours ago)

this is the thread yes

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 11:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

not trolling here, but when/how/why is "SpottieOttieDopaliscious" a thing? I had to look it up on YouTube just to know what Kast song it was... :/

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:57 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

bcuz its a beloved outkast single

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

smh

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

according to wikipedia it wasn't a single?

(that's one i def don't remember from the time, and didn't hear until i finally copped aquemini about 5 years ago, and it's good but not really a stand-out even on its album imo)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

idk those horns kinda make it stand out

just sayin, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think my favs on aquemini are rosa parks/mamacita/liberation, but ehhh i've never been, like, obsessed with outkast

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

its absolutely a standout

yall are trying to second guess me here -- as w/ check the rhime & juicy, i think this is absolutely a great representative of their careers

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

mamacita

nononononononoNONONONONONONONONO

the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

just... no

the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

smgdh

the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

how is a 7 minute funk track with barely any rapping representative of Kast's career (btw, I 1000000% agree with you on Juicy and Check The Rime)

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

are we going to pick a different song from the pfork list each week to debate whether its really truly great/relevant/canonical/familiar? why is this coming up NOW?

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

wouldn't harassing scott pl to release the files get to the bottom of the mystery faster than finding another thing that makes you go hmmmm?

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

is 'things that make you go hmmm' really truly great/relevant/canonical/familiar?

history mayne, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Things That Make You Go Hmmm" is just a "Bust a Move" rewrite.

jaymc, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

dunno about you guys but the diverse kids at my high school totally jammed 'things that make you go hmmm' all the time

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

what about the converse kids?

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

are we going to pick a different song from the pfork list each week to debate whether its really truly great/relevant/canonical/familiar? why is this coming up NOW?

― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:48 (28 minutes ago)

i think you answered yr own question, but rly it can be interesting

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

i just want to make sure everyone knows that i have several black friends

^ 9.2 Best New Board Description

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 14:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hey guys, I just listened to Juicy for the first time, on Youtube. It was pretty good.

Falkor Johnson (askance johnson), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 14:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

how is a 7 minute funk track with barely any rapping representative of Kast's career (btw, I 1000000% agree with you on Juicy and Check The Rime)

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:45 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

because they were weirdos who did tracks like epic 7 minute funk jams w/ spoken word stories of being young & coming of age in ATL

fwiw my vote was 'skew it on the bbq' above this but this was much preferable to the more trad sounding stuff (bridge between 'elevators' & 'bob') and a much cooler choice imo than 'rosa parks'

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 17:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

In what world is "BOB" trad sounding??

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 18:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

that's not what he was saying I don't think but yeah whiney otm lol @ "spottie" being representative of early kast

k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 18:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's as representative as anything

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

there's no fucking rapping on it you dumb dipshit

assface johnson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

"revolution no. 9 by the beatles is representative of the beatles because it's a DETOUR IN A CAREER FULL OF DETOURS WHOOOAaaaoaooaaahttp://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm278/chri7stopher/scanners.gif!"

assface johnson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

in fairness, it's somewhat representative of The Love Below

SO YOU HAVE A BLOG, I HAVE A FIST (HI DERE), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

which came out in the '00s

assface johnson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

your irony detector is either broken or just completely turned off

SO YOU HAVE A BLOG, I HAVE A FIST (HI DERE), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

got it.

assface johnson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

there's no fucking rapping on it you dumb dipshit

― assface johnson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:45 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this sort of proves the point

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

which isn't to say that it's the MOST representative, but i would say that it is 'very representative'

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

like how can you not listen to big boi's part in that song & not say it's representative of big boi

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

er, minus the first 'not' there

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Because like three dozen dope tracks from 1994-1999 have Big Boi RAPPING on them!

assface johnson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Antwan André Patton (born February 1, 1975), better known by his stage name Big Boi, is an American rapper, song-writer, record producer and actor, best known for being a member of American hip hop duo OutKast alongside André 3000.

assface johnson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

unless you think Spottie is extra AMERICAN?

assface johnson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

calm down, kaka poopie pants!

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

HEY GUYS SORRY TO INTERRUPT BUT DO ANYONE KNOW IF "RETARDEDEST" IS A WORD THANK IN ADVANCE

-KANTLIPS

KANTLIPS, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't think so kantlips, sorry

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Type O wz robbed.

i wish them hell and happiness (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 22:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

spottie ottie is a dope song that has spoken word rapping imo
& whiney u are a doof

you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 23:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

hey, what's this song that won our very own aquemini poll? how unrepresentitive!

Outkast poll #3: Aquemini

The Reverend, Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

really, who gives a damn what's representitive anyway? it's not a best artists of the 90s poll.

The Reverend, Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

loooooool

you cant see me markers (deej), Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

really, who gives a damn what's representitive anyway? it's not a best artists of the 90s poll.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:32 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

i agree, but we were talking about whether it was 'representative' or not cuz deej said it was

J0rdan S., Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

still sounds representative to me -- conceptually, artistically, not exactly close to their most out-there shit.

and its way closer in vibe feel concept & execution to the stuff they did when they were younger than 'the love below'

dudes ... sometimes you rap like THIS, and sometimes you rap like THAT

you cant see me markers (deej), Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Outkast's foreign policy: B-
Domestic policy: B+

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

theres no wanky love song shit, its about going clubbing & meeting girls & when that life meets with "real life situations" & about growing up, in a specific geographic place& time, semi-autobiographical, piece of ATL nightlife/life in general, universal but local, basically a perfect split point between experimental artiness - i.e. the spoken word approach, the extended length - and the more traditional concepts & styles & sounds theyd worked with before .... awesome track that showed them first starting to really upend shit

so perfect for this era, where ppl are overrating the crap out of conservative faux-UGK rappers, that suddenly dudes want to HONOR THE FIRE of trad earlier Outkast where they "rap their asses off" (c. tom breihan) & have totally 180'd on the worthiness of the way outkast actually made a name for themselves as one of the greatest rap groups ever by playing w/ song form & experimenting musically.

imo aquemini is their best record (and spottieottie one of the album's highlights) for exactly this reason -- it was the pt at which they actually started to really emerge as, like, multidemensional musical minds but kept it anchored in the past & w/ a strong sense of personal identity, the tension & chemistry really taking shape

you cant see me markers (deej), Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

ha, sorry if this has already been pointed out, but "Gold Soundz" won the Crooked Rain poll too.

CROOKED RAIN CROOKED POLL

da croupier, Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

posted this in the aquemini thread:

I think part of what makes "Spottieottiedopalicious" hit so hard is how in both Dre & Big Boi's verses, they start out as these surrealistic descriptions of chemically-enhanced nightclubbing experiences, but by the end of each verse shit has gotten too real in a very sobering way.

― grin and ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ it (The Reverend), Friday, June 25, 2010 7:10 PM Bookmark

The Reverend, Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^good post

you cant see me markers (deej), Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Every time I listen to "Spottie" I promise myself to pay attention the lyrics but the horn charts and the rhythm distract me.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

*TO the lyrics

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

deej all the way otmed up

The Reverend, Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

also, it's not just funk, it's DUB too

The Reverend, Thursday, 16 September 2010 00:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah deej that was an excellent post, wish I could 'like' it

the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Thursday, 16 September 2010 13:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

or 'upvote' or something

the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Thursday, 16 September 2010 13:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

deej you can rockcrit this shit all you want but if you ask your average outkast fan to name five kast songs from the 90s this woouldn't be one

k3vin k., Thursday, 16 September 2010 17:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

uhhh yr bringin' a lot of conceptual baggage into this with the "average outkast fan" -- like, has the "average outkast fan" listened to aquemini? if not, which albums have they listened to? or do they just know the singles/hits? and if so, when did they start paying attention? etc etc

haven't you people ever heard of theodor a-goddamn-dorno (bernard snowy), Thursday, 16 September 2010 17:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

"revolution no. 9 by the beatles is representative of the beatles because it's a DETOUR IN A CAREER FULL OF DETOURS WHOOOAaaaoaooaaahttp://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm278/chri7stopher/scanners.gif!"

― assface johnson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:47 PM (Yesterday)

i'm just saying this post is otm - i just doubt that people who were buying outkast albums around this time (among whom i can't count myself admittedly - i was like seven) are gonna be like ohhh yeah you know what i think when i think outkast? that seven minute horn song with almost no rapping! (to paraphrase whiney again)

k3vin k., Thursday, 16 September 2010 17:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean we all agree the song is pretty rad tho

k3vin k., Thursday, 16 September 2010 17:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe it's not the "average outkast fan"'s pick (whoever they may be), but it won the aquemini poll on ILX, and considering that's the biggest of their 90s album, it being the critics pick from aquemini doesn't seem that scanners.

da croupier, Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's also on that big boi and dre presents comp, which suggests its not exactly a deep album cut

da croupier, Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

can't we just accept that Pitchfork took some critical/fan favorites whose esteem has raised over time (whether everyone realized it) over the obvious pop hits?

da croupier, Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

NO

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

see if Pitchfork had just opened the list up to more than one song per artist then this discussion needn't have happened...

i wish them hell and happiness (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

I would like to request an argument over DJ Shadow's Midnight in a Perfect World, which has been badly neglected itt.

Gorecki or Go Home (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

whatever happened to that guy

da croupier, Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm guessing "grad school"

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

argument: DJ Shadow's Midnight in a Perfect World does not exist.

i wish them hell and happiness (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

according to wikipedia he's an avatar on DJ Hero, working on a new album and playing shows in Antwerp. Good for him!

da croupier, Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

You missed the "DJ Shadow sneaks his own records into shops in Hungary" story then I take it?

Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcESmqxS4kI

Allegedly his latest track

da croupier, Thursday, 16 September 2010 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Samples from Gary Numan?

Gorecki or Go Home (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 16 September 2010 19:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Tuomas, it tells you on the page

About the Artist
Mickey Hart, best known for his work with The Grateful Dead, has collected and performed on many unusual percussion instruments found throughout the world. He has put both traditional and little-known instruments to new and unexpected uses in his own compositions. At the same time, he has worked diligently to preserve the wisdom of ancient musical cultures through his recordings of indigenous artists. His research into the ritualistic roots of percussion is chronicled in his 1990 book, 'Drumming at the Edge of Magic'. In 1969, Henry Wolff and Nancy Hennings traveled to India and Nepal where they studied with the Kagyu branch of Tibetan Buddhism and discovered the transcendent music of the Tibetan bells. In 1972, they became the first Western artists to make use of the then unknown Asian instruments in a 20th century Western idiom. The resulting album, Tibetan Bells, led to a succession of recordings featuring these instruments.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 16 September 2010 19:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

I assume you have heard the grateful dead?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 16 September 2010 19:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

oops wrong thread hehe

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 16 September 2010 19:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

btw these arguments still going?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 16 September 2010 19:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

even the P&J arguments dont last this long. Pitchfork must be really special to posters on ILM

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 16 September 2010 19:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

deej you can rockcrit this shit all you want but if you ask your average outkast fan to name five kast songs from the 90s this woouldn't be one

― k3vin k., Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:45 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

bulllllshit

you cant see me markers (deej), Friday, 17 September 2010 00:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

i still hear this one at clubs btw -- awesome 'end of the night' jam (i think i posted this somewhere)

way more than i hear rosa parks

you cant see me markers (deej), Friday, 17 September 2010 00:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

deej has been otm itt

J0rdan S., Friday, 17 September 2010 00:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

iet

you cant see me markers (deej), Friday, 17 September 2010 00:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, def the 90s outkast jam i hear out the most. not sure kevin is old enough to go to clubs tho, so won't hold that point against him.

The Reverend, Friday, 17 September 2010 04:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

J0rdan S., Friday, 17 September 2010 04:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

the zinged becomes the zinger

J0rdan S., Friday, 17 September 2010 04:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

i have never heard this song outside of me playing my own copy of aquemini, so ¯\(°_°)/¯

t(o_o)t it and b(o_o)t it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 September 2010 05:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

we're talking about strip clubs, right?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 September 2010 11:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Midnight In A Perfect World is gorgeous, it's one of the few tracks on Endtroducing that's aged well.

Matt DC, Friday, 17 September 2010 11:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^

you cant see me markers (deej), Friday, 17 September 2010 11:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

played it about an hour ago and i can't remember how it went. as with weezer and pavement and belle and sebastian, totally unremarkable piece of music.

you're dumb.

billstevejim, Thursday, 3 February 2011 06:52 (seven years ago) Permalink


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