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new album is great, the layered oldtime synth drones of 'rifts' filtered w/ classic mego distortion

sreynolds interview

Can't wait to see this guy at On Land in a month, having heard enough about him.

awesome stuff

How do you pronounce this band's name?

however you like, imo

one-oh-trix i'd wager

I like what I've heard.

one-oh-trix is right, bit of a pun on a radio station tag iirc from reading an interview. i love this fella's sound. he wrings so much melancholy out of his equipment: 'zones without people', 'russian mind' and 'behind the bank' to name but three. 'where does time go' from his new one ploughs the same furrow but i could listen to this stuff all day.

i'm not done with rifts yet

thanks for linking that interview. i was initially repulsed by the sound-excess of returnal but it's become my most frequently played album lately. looking forward to hearing rifts. cool to see Mego releasing more broadly-appealing artists like this (and Emeralds)

both returnal and rifts are incredible, have been obsessing over them for the majority of this year. i know this sounds lame but BUY THE VINYL. it really does help bring certain textures into focus more so than i remember on the mp3s

xps yeah 106.7 i gather

love rifts...got returnal on order

good mix by him: http://www.factmag.com/2010/06/28/fact-mix-162-oneohtrix-point-never/

still haven't heard his music, but just saw this feature which piqued my interest:
http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1226

tbh i don't understand why he's getting so much hype, but then soundscape stuff doesn't really do it for me. i keep waiting for the beat to drop.

ambient by way of rhythmic overload and interweave = not as many beats? i like the bc-ness of tracks like "computer vision" -- kind of bumping without a drum part ...

good show, too -- both times ive seen him it was heavy but not too long. at the release party for returnal it was a nice blend of that record's noise and rifts-style washed-out sci fi sheen.

rifts is outstanding. love the super cascading stuff like "ships without meaning". haven't given the new one enough time yet.

games is pretty dire, though. was intrigued by descriptions of "midifunk"

love going through sunsetcorp's favorite vids on youtube. lots of demonstration vids from the 80s for computer graphics and synths and stuff.

Thanks for the tip, hobbes. Loving these videos.

"russian mind" is the bomb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySeXihaEqZY

i like that one, not so shapeless

The only track I heard was on a recent Uncut giveaway and it was delicious.
I'm by no means anywhere near au fait with this scene, but when it hits - decent Tim Hecker, Fennesz - anybody else? It's ace.

stars of the lid? eluvium?

Dig Eluvium and SOTL too

think basinski falls into this category

emeralds
some of james ferraro's stuff

Vangelis

wolfgang bock

Ray Lynch

m bison

jk

y'all should really check out Music For Lazy People by Waki (on Traum) for more arpeggiated bliss.

wayy more chilled out then opo, though

I dig his lindsay lohan tribute shit..

And the mix he recently had posted on Fact magazine's website.

big fan of this dude. has another mix here: http://www.self-titledmag.com/home/2010/05/20/needle-exchange-020-an-exclusive-mix-by-oneohtrix-point-never/

That mix set me off on a major harold faltermeyer youtube binge.

FACT mix is so awesome

That Faltermeyer track is really nice. That mix and the Fact mix are so good.

He's playing the Decibel Festival here in September.

what do yall think of antony's version of returnal?

"russian mind" is the bomb

video is by bay area's nate boyce!

I think Antony's version is quite pretty.

it's the boards of canada vibes (subtle pitch bends, spacious tonal wafts) that keep me returning to returnal and rifts

"pelham island road" recalls pete standing alone, with the repeated melodic figure early on in the track.

The Antony/Fennesz version is really nice . . .

yep fennesz remix of antony's cover of "returnals" is killing me right now. i'm not really an antony fan but this is so good

RAINBRO MIX http://pitchfork.com/forkcast/14801-funseeker-oneohtrix-point-nevers-rainbro-mix/

Played a v. good set at On Land. Rocking his Boston Celtics cap the whole time.

wow oneohtrix remixing vladislav delay! the sistol album is nice, more awkward and psychedelic than anything he's done lately

the remix is good but i wouldn't have recognised the source track

dude's turning into somewhat of a maven, running olde english spelling bee, the new project 'games'. makes me want to buy a juno for real

does he run olde english spelling bee?

I've given them a fair bit of money in the last few months - in exchange for lovely vinyl, of course.

Any thoughts on the Autre Ne Veut record? The press release/whatever cited Erasure. I'm still trying to get my head around it.

i think so? i like the ANV record; along with how to dress well there seems to be a trend of sorta familiar "fucked up synth pop" but with actually strong vocals. also, i am going to his show tonight in brooklyn at zebulon. what do you think of the record? it is a little oblique, but i think that's intentional.

I like what I've heard - but so far only on MP3. Waiting for the vinyl I ordered to land here in England. As someone said above, these records do tend to find some space to breathe on vinyl.

i think so? i like the ANV record; along with how to dress well there seems to be a trend of sorta familiar "fucked up synth pop" but with actually strong vocals. going to his show tonight in brooklyn at zebulon. what do you think of the record? it is a little oblique, but i think that's intentional.

what the heck, sorry

Daniel doesn't run OESB, it's run by a guy named Todd who appears on the semi-mysterious OESB release Afrika Germany Germany Mexico Turkey Australia which Ducktails (Matthew Monandile) is also on. Daniel runs a small CD-R label called Upstairs:

http://upstairscdr.blogspot.com/

Could somebody possibly share me the FACT mix? Thanks!

the fact mix is sooooo gooooooooood here it is

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1tagnv6c4brhh8

I feel like I should love this guy but something about his sound just doesn't do it for me. listened to rifts last night and it's nice and all but it doesn't add up to much more than that for me. too simplistic, too cold? having a tough time even figuring out why I can't get into it.

omg the "Russian Mind" video just gave me the best headache ever

honestly i think it's a matter of quality control. there is a lot of synth or rifts and it can blur together. russian mind, hyperdawn, computer vision, and format and jounrney north are the highlights for me. counter-intuitively it works best -- for me at least -- as mixtape music

Yeah I can't imagine listening to "Rifts" front-to-back

russian mind, hyperdawn, computer vision, and format and jounrney north are the highlights for me.

just made this playlist on my ipod - will report back. thanks!

and I should note that I gave returnal several plays as well. liked some of it (the noisier bits, actually) but the whole thing never made much of an impression. if anything, I like rifts more.

i like rifts more than returnal, and play it front to back sometimes, but i usually start or stop somewhere in the middle. i like how sprawling it is. it can blur together, but i'm a total sucker for cosmic synth drones and arpeggios. current favorite is zones without people

rifts is great in a single sitting if you're tired, sitting in the dark, drinking scotch and posting to ilx (inter alia)

returnal is sunnier and less introspective

yeah rifts all the way through is good at evoking that woke up from cryo sleep too early and contemplating the void thing

does anyone have

Young Beidnahga

digging the 4-track rifts EP playlist btw.

I haven't heard Rifts but I love Returnal because it feels concise, for an ambient/drone/whatever record. It feels composed from beginning to end with proper ebbs and flows.

Incidentally I can't stop listening to the new Arp album, The Soft Wave, which works in similar territory. It too feels perfectly composed, with perhaps more attention paid to melody in addition to overall textures.

I haven't heard Rifts but I love Returnal because it feels concise, for an ambient/drone/whatever record. It feels composed from beginning to end with proper ebbs and flows.

^^ my experience

I haven't heard Rifts Returnal but I love Returnal Rifts because it feels concise, for an ambient/drone/whatever record. It feels composed from beginning to end with proper ebbs and flows.

^^ my experience

(Ignore that first post there...)

Rifts is way better.

I only have "hyperdawn" but now I feel I need the whole record.

lmfao @ the games ep title, 'that we can play'

i like the games/cfcf ep. some of the best stuff cfcf has done, tho i feel like it could alienate some oneohtrix fans

i guess the cfcf stuff is remixed here, so it doesn't count as their work 'officially', but it's still great. esp the gatekeeper remix

is the E.P. on Rvng a CFCF / Oneohtrix Point Never collab? I've seen listed as just CFCF?

the Games - That We Can Play thing is streaming here; http://www.factmag.com/2010/11/01/stream-the-debut-album-from-games-that-we-can-play/
might be a bit too much for me, will give a few listens before I decide.

its a grower but quite different from the first ep.

By moving to a more song based structure, it's less individual than the earlier stuff.

the games remix of "it was never meant to be this way" is on both the cfcf ep on rvng (along with other remixes) and the games ep

awesome interview http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2010/11/electric-independence-oneohtrix-point.html

love this dude more and more

^^

no chillwave side projects can tarnish him

if this is chillwave then im swag surfin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtcaOKeeT5I

dude has an incredible ear

games ep is dope - posted abt how good it is in the lol chillwave thread

that interview is really endearing

yep, awesome interview. makes me appreciate OPN even more. seems like a real dude.

<3 that interview

new games-that everyone can play is ace as well, i need to do some edits so i can play it out (my mixing really doesnt allow for 3 min tunes)

Also Id see this as more of an edits/italo/straight up pop kind of thing than chillwave

OPN is cool but I prefer Games. Awesome tmblr.

http://skulltheft.tumblr.com

I know, chillwave is ghey and all that, but I really like Games.

workd so hard 4 nothing

returnal is the sort of drone record a condor wld make. love this guy.

It's all good, but that title track is just flat out amazing.

trying to envisage the sort of music a condor would make

swooping synths, vertiginous arpeggios, soaring chromatic chords

............o0oo0o

really loving the Games EP (reminds me a lot of stuff on the Valerie label, esp. Anoraak)

Odd how you notice the lyrics in the album version of "Returnal" after hearing the Antony remix - is that Antony in the original?

despite the opening track which i can't really deal with Returnal is def top 5 of the year material (that said i don't keep up with much current ambient stuff)

I'm still waiting for OOTPN to click properly with me. He sounds like a really nice guy with a great approach to his work, but I still find Games infinitely more appealing for some reason.

despite the opening track which i can't really deal with Returnal is def top 5 of the year material

exactly

I wrote about that opening track, and why I think it works, here.

the following seven tracks exist in its wake and are enhanced by that context.

this is otm. love this record now.

tho i dont like the opener that much, it has big tactical value.

agree with that 100%

its on mego, it should sound like its on fucking mego

so I thought I had listened to this album in full and didn't really like it

but now I have discovered that I actually just listened to the first track on repeat 6 times and didn't realize it

¯\(°_°)/¯

Hahaha!

I mean, this album is actually kind of nice. not as 'difficult' as I thought it was. not the 'successor' to 'merzbow' I had 'imagined'.

There was a kid on the TEFOSAV forum back in the early 00's who used to call himself Nuclear Heaven and who made a sound very similar to this under different monikers. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the same guy as the approach and aesthetic is so similar. I think I might even have some of his old albums.

its on mego, it should sound like its on fucking mego

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yes!

"harsh" track is kinda pretty tbh. one of the standouts for me, tho I still don't love the album.

that new games video is soo bad

bad as in not good, not as in the powerglove

i haven't heard anything by Games as compelling as his OPN stuff

Planet Party is one of my jams of 2010. Someone posted it to a thread before I'd even heard of Oneohtrix and somethign about the video imagery and I was completely suckered into the music and video, so much so that I had to check it really was something from 2010 and not 1985. I know this hauntology/retro thing's been being done since the late 90s, but this was done so well, I was transported back to watching TV adverts on my Dad's old portable telly.

(sorry about my writing, just got back from work's Chrismtas lunch and trying hard not to crawl under my desk for a kip.

the antony cover of returnal is pretty awesome, i discovered today

don't like that v much

yeah I love the Antony/Fennesz remix more than the original. though I haven't really played this album much, I listen to Rofts way more

uh, Rifts, that should say

his side on this is dope

http://www.discogs.com/Tomutonttu-Oneohtrix-Point-Never-Split/release/2291707

Ah, I remembered the name of that artist I mentioned upthread. He was called Acreil, and his stuff can be downloaded here: http://www.archive.org/details/enrmp092_acreil_-_blue_music

Sorry to street team, but I do like this guy's stuff http://www.youtube.com/user/acreil

We invited him to support Agalloch on the NYC show. He declined :(

"Him" being Oneohtrix of course.

that would've been an amazing gig.

3pm, Nil Admirari

11pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeg-6S-vcrI

i enjoyed that quite a bit

even looked up the original, which i also liked, but this is an improvement imo

Okay, so that little bit in the beginning where the 5 minutes of noise fades and gives way to that lush, rolling beautiful drone

this makes me smile really big

^i dug that tons, but knew it was the intention the entire time i was listening to that 1st track and couldn't help that think my enjoyment was only cause of remission and not any real skill on part of the artist going on here.

i mean the trend is so common in p. much every noise show i've ever been to/album i've ever bought that i'm tempted to say it justifies the artist's incapability to craft melody in the first place.

Playing South Bank Centre, London, 9th April with Games as support.

Already looking on eBay for a time machine to take me to that gig now.

http://pitchfork.com/news/41514-games-change-name-to-ford-lopatin-start-mexican-summer-imprint-software/

Why??

Hmm. I actually do love that logo though. Totally something I would have seen on a sub-Sierra computer game back in the day.

yeah cool logo + Games was a crap name so w/e. really want to see that London show.

also this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPA3UVX_UWA

software label lookin good.. putting out demdike stare!

also based on that url i thought they changed their name to Ford and imagined that this http://www.performanceoffroadcenter.com/oscommerce/images/ford%20logo.jpg was the cool new logo haha

holy cow be sure to pick up the harald grosskopf - synthesist reissue http://igetrvng.com/prsnts/314

includes bonus cd with reworkings by contemporary kosmische superstars (oneohtrix, arp, stellar om source, cfcf)

I want to hear that remix cd pretty badly

I finally got in touch with Acreil again, via last.fm of all places. He gave me a link to his newest stuff, for those who are interested: http://soundcloud.com/gsn10

preview of the Ford & Lopatin LP 'Channel Pressure' out in June

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1TsnYJoMEc

Personally I am not into the stuff F&L are doing at all. Too retro for me.

what isn't retro in 2011?

that sounds mint. i dunno if it's just the way it's edited, but kinda reminds me of VHS head. anticipating hard.

vocals sound a bit too max tundra at times mind you

i havent heard the F&L stuff yet, but a max tundra name-drop will keep me far far away from most anything... say it aint so :(

vocals sound a bit too max tundra at times mind you

you put me right off

hah XP

Love OPN, don't like Games/F&O, OBSESSED with Max Tundra. So, weird.

listening again, tundra but with a bit more green gartside thrown in maybe (def an improvement). anyway the second track sounds particularly great.

ya idk guys these vocals are way better than max tundra. also the context helps quite a bit, esp when compared to tundra

loved the Games EP so will pick up the album on sight for sure (unless they raidcally changed their sound along with their name).

Seeing them (Games) play live in less than a month... really looking forward to this.

Will likely drop back to the bar for OPN.

Hah! I thought that was supposed to be all one track...

According to RA:

Software Recordings will release Joel Ford and Daniel Lopatin's debut album, Channel Pressure, in June.

It will be the first time Ford (of Tigercity) and Lopatin (Oneohtrix Point Never) have released together under their given names, with previous material always credited to their Games moniker. The initial single from Channel Pressure—titled "Emergency Room"—is said to be a limited edition x-ray picture disc. Due for release on April 26th, it will contain remixes from Gavin Russom and The Bug.

The album itself will follow the story of teenager Joel Rogers, who lives in a time when bands are extinct and the record industry is controlled by a super-computer. An anti-hero, it's Rogers' dream to "unplug from reality and jam in the style of his MIDI-equipped ancestors."

A video made available by the duo elaborates on the theme and provides samples of the music.

Tracklist
01. Scumsoft
02. Channel Pressure
03. Emergency Room
04. Rock Center Paranoia
05. Too Much MIDI (Please Forgive Me)
06. New Planet
07. The Voices
08. Joey Rogers
09. Dead Jammer
10. Break Inside
11. Surrender
12. Green Fields
13. World of Regret
14. G's Dream

Haha wow, now that is some next level concept album shit

i hear it's co-written by Ben Elton

Ha!

Not really feeling the single so far

So I went to his SF show. I was sortof stupefied from a long day, holding a beer staring at the DJ booth, when I realized I had no idea what a traveling OPN show would be like. Would he bring out a massive rack of analog synths? Would he have some creative way of translating that to digital controllers? No.

laptop?

http://www.gorillavsbear.net/2011/04/27/mp3-ford-lopatin-emergency-room-gavin-russom-remix/

Sampler / controller pad attached to laptop, yeah.

hmm. how was it? for me one of the most appealing parts of OPN is the analog sounds ... when i caught him in brooklyn it was juno + sampler + effects and it sounded fantastic

Wasn't loopy enough to miss a Juno, I think, didn't see one anyway.

It was ok. Preyouandi should always be played that loud. Too bad the sound sucked.

JF: “One of the other things totally different about Mexican Summer is that I found it such a turn off talking to other labels due to the lack of actual interest in what we were doing. It was so…brutal. Like ‘oh, I saw you guys on the internet. Want to make a record? We’ll give you $10,000.’ Hell, for that I could buy a computer, and a decent mic pre-amp but still be in my bedroom.”

oh yeah, so brutal. maybe this makes me an herb, but what indie labels are giving bands $10k to make a record these days? especially electronic music producers (whom they saw on the internet) who are presumably self-sufficient as far as a recording setup?

Love OPN, but dude is branching out into some real crapola

^^^

Yeah, its been pretty much diminishing returns since Rifts if you ask me. I mean, Returnal was only a very very slight drop in quality, imho, but I haven't really been into the other stuff all that much.

Well the Games stuff I've heard is awesome imo and I'm very excited about the album.

ditto

I just put on Returnal extremely loudly on the turntable, and literally seconds after that opening blast of "Nil Admirari," a construction crew started jackhammering pavement down the street. It complements the song awesomely at the moment, though I'm sure I'll be buzzkilled when I'm trying to bliss out to the third and fourth tracks. This record just keeps getting better, does it not?

leaked.

awesome so far

A new album? Or is this a Ford/Lopatin thing?

the ford + lopatin record is out next week (or the week after?) so probably that?

ya i mean the ford & lopatin album (channel pressure)

after hearing the whole thing at least once now i can say there are a few tracks that i am less than fond of, but usually this is because of the vocals (and there are instrumental versions of most of the tracks i have so w/e)

loved the Games EP but found the F&L single very underwhelming so a bit ambivalent right now.

yeah the best thing abt the single was the crawl @ the beginning of the video...

the single is "emergency room", right? is it the vocals that you are ambivalent about? because... like i said, there are instrumentals.

hard to imagine anyone who liked the games ep wouldn't be able to get into at least half of this album

yeah 'emergency room' is the single although the crawl i was thinking of was across the channel pressure teaser lol @ me...

im still p hype to hear this but the songs ive hears seem busier and choppier than the games ep? idk

I only listened to a few songs and didn't like what I heard.

whole album streaming here
http://www.factmag.com/2011/05/31/stream-ford-lopatins-channel-pressure-album-in-full-exclusively-on-fact/

They were kind of ambient when I saw them at Primavera, but I'll hopefully be seeing them again on Thursday too. Anyone coming to that?

w00t!

i can't figure out which my bloody valentine song he's sampling on "world of regret"... unless he figured out precisely how to recreate that sound

and ya these songs are a bit more anxious than the games stuff, but on say "new planet" or the title track this comes across really well i think

These guys have quite a few dimensions - from the EPs to the album to the live act, it's always very different.

it's funny seeing the reviews come out for this. remember they changed their name from Games to avoid litigation or something? and now every review starts with HEY EVERYONE THIS BAND USED TO BE CALLED 'GAMES' DO YOU REMEMBER, calling more attention to the name than when the band was going.

I prefer Games, and that's a terrible name. Wish they'd just called themselves Software or something, but I guess they wanted the name to be ambiguous enough so they could do multiple styles. They're a proper jam band live.

how so?

Well... It's not like they're Phish or anything, but they really do seem to be jamming/freestyling live rather than just doing variations on their released tracks.

nothing on Channel Pressure with quite the same style and impact of the EP tracks - bit disappointed after first listen

yeah, i only gave it a cursory listen, but it's def not up to those EPs (which are perfect in my book). Still, I think these guys have enough in them to try out quite a few styles, so I wouldn't write em off yet.

caught them live last night, was fair to OK. I wouldnt call them a jam band, they do a bit of riffing but still a lot of the start/stop stuff that makes post noiser dance guys suck live ie teengirl fantasy. Theyre clearly enjoying themselves but it all seems like a waste of time and effort compared to the oneohtrix live sets ive seen the last couple of years

hey, i was there too.

not the greatest set i've ever seen, but better than the Primavera one from the week before. It also felt way too short. Both times I'd seen them it felt like they were really building towards something and then they'd just stop.

yeah I popped in on the way home from the phenomenal Aethenor/Alexander tucker show at cafe oto, just about everything would seem dry after that

kinda surprised that i'm the only one repping for this... i guess the chillwave backlash is in full effect

Is this really chillwave? I didn't get that feel at all when I listened to it. But what do I know.

it sounds like a far more palatable version of neon indian to me, but i am no expert either

to me it basically sounds like Akufen with 80's E-Z Listening samples and undanceable beats. not really into it for the most part.

yaaaa i don't see that at all. this is a dense and shiny synth-pop record (just realized they recorded this in jan hammer's studio) with a few retro-pastiche interludes imo

It's good shiny layered pop with some pretty catchy tunes in all. Just unsure as to whether I'd come back to it regularly or not?

...comsidering I've had those eps on rotation since I first heard em

Judging just from playing the stream a few times, I think the new Ford & Lopatin record is a total grower... I've liked it twice as much with each new listen. The production is incredible, and I can't wait to grab this on vinyl this week and crank the shit out of it. "Joey Rogers" is a titanic track, deep into "Big In Japan" by Alphaville territory. "Emergency Room" reminds me of Cupid & Psyche '85-era Scritti Politti--another earworm. It did take me a couple of listens to get used to how different it is from the Games EPs (which I also adore), but it's a real feast, and shows a huge amount of breadth, stylistically and sonically (which I also think takes a little getting used to).

inclined to agree with you clarke b. once you get over the fact it's not much like the EPs, this turns out to be a really stylish and much more realistic twist on eighties nostalgia. They seem to have tapped into that vein of unprejudiced listening I felt as a kid - where everything just sounds like music, be it Green Gartside or Cameo singing.

That's a great point. Lopatin has become one of those artists for me whose instincts I totally trust. It's deeper than just liking the sound of it, I dig the whole feel and aesthetic of it and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt wholeheartedly. I want to say that it almost feels like it's asking a lot of listeners nowadays to change your style up so much and be so diverse and expect people to follow you (aren't we all a little more ADD-addled as listeners than we used to be? just by virtue of the ways music digestion and exposure have evolved?)... Just as I miss and get nostalgic about that feeling of it all just being music and not so aware of genre/politics/motivation/perception/whatever, I also miss and get nostalgic about really rooting for a band or a dude. I'm already anxious for a new Oneohtrix record to come out... Returnal continues to improve and deepen with each new listen.

God, I've really got to give Oneohtrix another go. I just never understood the point or why it's supposedly better than any number of third-rate IDM/ambient/drone/synth-dork acts from the last fifteen years. Def needs another go.

I've been thinking about that lately; it's hard to articulate... It feels thoroughly and carefully composed (though not exhaustingly labored-over like a lot of "intricate" IDM-ish stuff feels to me) as opposed to just loop-riding or drifting. That said, it feels organic (horrible word, I realize)--but not in that BoC "analog synths melting in the warm '70s sunlight" more overtly nostalgic way either. It feels like Lopatin is very in tune with the synth he's playing, and what he's doing with the music, and where he wants it to go. Its virtuosic in its sense of self-assuredness, but not in a drily technical way at all. Also, now that I think about it in relation to the Ford & Lopatin record and what I said about it above, Returnal really is quite diverse. There's a noise-blast track, a "pretty" track, a track with vocals, a track with percussive effects like I've never heard before... There are moments of ultra-density, moments of spareseness, and it flows beautifully. And man, just the SOUND of it, that fucking Juno--so nice.

someone on the Nite Jewel thread said her collab with Dam Funk was "the wrong end of the '80s" ... disagreed in that case but that's kinda how I'm feeling about Channel Pressure I think. I liked the Games stuff I heard but not really feeling this.

I rep hard for the wrong end of the '80s.

fair enough

And I can clearly remmeber a time when there wasn't even a "right end of the '80s"... So time'll tell with this one.

And man, just the SOUND of it, that fucking Juno--so nice.

This is really the nubbins of it imo

'the wrong end of the '80s' been hugely fashionable for several years now iirc. i'm hearing a lot of disparate sounds that remind me of thomas dolby b-sides or malcolm mclaren or japanese new wave. and a lot of italo.

i can also attest to this thing growing on you after repeat listens, especially w/ a track like "surrender" (the one with the dude from autre ne veut)... but can someone please point out how this is such a markedly different direction than the last ep? because i'm at a loss. i guess they use different vocalists on the album. and the drums are maybe a bit more complex, but the more i try to compare the two the more i realize i vastly prefer the album to those eps (except for "strawberry skies" of course)

*disclaimer* i have been playing this nonstop for the past few weeks and have chosen to embrace even its most cloying vocal performances (tho ironically i am still coming around on "the voices"). i think i've played the title track more than any other song this year so far

Love this. But it might be idiosyncratic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAQkRF7QntY

The album is a lot more "pop" than the EPs' "Amiga-Funk" stylings. I hear the EPs as unturfed soundtracks from old TV adverts and theme tunes rather than pop songs. Planet Party especially makes me think somehow of those "and all because the lady loves... Milk Tray", or some Miami Vice type show.

The Voices I'd have thought would be the follow up single to Emergency Room.

'the wrong end of the '80s' been hugely fashionable for several years now iirc. i'm hearing a lot of disparate sounds that remind me of thomas dolby b-sides or malcolm mclaren or japanese new wave. and a lot of italo.

and I do love a lotta that stuff you're mentioning so I'm a bit surprised this doesn't do it for me

can someone please point out how this is such a markedly different direction than the last ep?

don't think it's a different direction but "cloying vocal performances" is what's putting me off a bit ... like I will tolerate that stuff in actual '80s music if other elements grab me enough but I don't want to hear it re-created

that said I only have listened to the album once

it sounds to me like Channel Pressure is more song-orientated than the '...Play' EP which is more about huge impact hooks (a la Braxe & Falke) and earworming ideas that imo are still crying out for extended dubs (including SS). i agree that the vocals hamper it as unfortunately they are closer to Tundra than Gartside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM6qHiiBLao

Love this video

Anyone know who does the singing on these tracks? Is it all Joel Ford?

this is better the more you listen to it ime i guess its less... straightforward than the other stuff, spikier & less obviously pleasing at least to my ears.

there's a lot of detail going on. the tracks always stay constant but never sit still.

This indeed sounds AMAZINGLY good on vinyl. I've never really heard production quite like this before... There's an unbelievable amount of detail to each track, for sure.

I believe the elephant in the room with his project is a Mr. Ed Banger

are ed banger involved with this?

Something Chromeo-ish about this that kind of...I dunno. Like the Games stuff better.

i hear more chromeo vibes than ed banger vibes, but i can see why you would say that

haha xp

along with all the marginalia there are definitely some serious '80s stadium-rock influences

but again, you could probably say the same about "planet party" from the ep

Definitely into the 80s synth geekery on Channel Pressure... what takes away some of the pleasure is knowing it's like a concept/story album. I can't help but imagine the story in my mind listening to it, which makes me appreciate the music less for some reason. I like making up my own stories to songs, I guess.

I believe the elephant in the room with his project is a Mr. Ed Banger

― straightola, Wednesday, June 8, 2011 3:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Jesus. Way to put me off ever wanting to here this!

uh, hear.

jesus indeed, it doesn't ACTUALLY sound very much like ed banger... only real similarities i can think of are compression (which is everywhere so w/e) and stadium rock homages

the production is so generous, all that choppy 80s synth bass, gymnastic vocal processing, cut up enya coos, loads of period production flourishes like adhd new age; the little ed banger i know makes a woeful comparison. it is PUNCHY tho. first that james ferraro record, now this, chillwave bros becoming v unchill sugar rush mentalists of late. the lyrics are like a masterful satire of chillwave - now i'm alone and the tvs on/its the colour of power rock - but i love them. this is so great, i'm surprised there's not more conviction on this thread.

adhd new age is a great way to describe this

Clarke B - thanks to your description of Oneohtrixpoint Never, I think I'm a convert! What I hadn't realised is how powerful the effect of his music has over me. Every time I've put it on, it's put me into a complete trance and I can't remember listening to it again. It's totally cerebral.

Think this is why Ford & Lopatin work so well - it's a real yinyang, right/left brain, apollonian/dionysian balance they have going on and it works.

While we're counting soundalikes for Channel Pressure, I feel like the VHS Head album from last year is an obvious predecessor.

I'm expecting this to have a lot of commonalities with the Valerie label roster (eg. Anoraak) - the Games EP sure did.

It's more, I dunno, home listening than the Valerie artists I've heard. Far more interesting production touches too.

My pleasure, Dog Latin, and I'm in total agreement on its immersive character... And Channel Pressure is SO GOOD, you guys. There are so many little surprises and delicious textures and squiggles and secret wormholes in the production; I've never heard anything quite like it. Something about the record reminds me, weirdly, of Paul's Boutique, but instead of spot-the-sample it's a game of spot-the-reference... There's one riff in "Joey Rogers" that's almost a direct quote of that crazy fucking robot-guitar finger-tapping-sounding thing just before the chorus in Yes's "Owner of a Lonely Heart"--but it's subtle. These guys have internalized this stuff so much that it doesn't sound like pastiche or overly reverential mimicry or anything; it's not "hey look at us we sound like '80s Yes and Thomas Dolby LOL"--their ids leak the shit.

I'm going to hold back on the effusive praise for this until I'm convinced it has the tunes and/or depth to hold my interest after the initial novelty wears off.

I hear you... I've personally had something or other from this record in my head nearly constantly since I started listening to it. "World of Regret" is there currently...

any reason to pick this up on vinyl?

(apart from retro fetishism that is)

I just like the way stuff sounds on vinyl. I have a decent setup and the bass is much richer and deeper on vinyl for me, plus everything is just a little more "present"... I'd wager that a lot of the stuff they're referencing was actually initially purchased mainly on cassette!

Comes with a download coupon too FWIW

i didnt get a coupon this is bs

so i really like this but ... is there anything that sounds like this *without* the vocals? because i don't really care for the voice.

the "instrumental" versions sorta remind me of cylob (ambient news), though more superficially 'fat'-sounding.. i suppose the compressed thump of it recalls chris clark (but clean), or jackson and his computer band

did the version you have not come with instrumentals moonship? they're out there for most of the songs on the album with vocals

are the instrumentals a separate disc or part of the CD?

i was thinking more like similar artists ... i really like the sound design and the effects they use

Hmmm... not really the same thing but you could do worse than check out the last album by Tipper (best sound design I think I've ever heard on an album tbh) and Console's "Herself" (which I've banged on about a few times here).

What's the beef with the vocals? I guess I can see them maybe coming across a little mannered/stylized, but they stop well short of fey for me (unlike certain other high-voiced guys singing over electronic music)... Plus it's hard to imagine the songs working nearly as well without the vocal hooks.

Com Truise

gave it a second listen in the car last night, the album sounded much less psychedelic and trippy and the vocals were much easier to deal with. i think i forget sometimes that my home system is absurdly bright and that sometimes makes certain recordings tough to deal with

good looking out blank

Oh man, I bet this is a great driving album... There are times I miss driving so much, and it's usually when there's something I want to listen to while doing it. I hear you re: a non-ideal setup bringing out stuff in recordings in a bad way--happens to me with my computer speakers a lot.

miss my B&Ws so much now that I've moved in with gf :-(

I miss listening to music now I've moved in with my gf :-(

yeah that too actually

i have electrostatic ribbon speakers which are super-bright to begin with ... in a room with bare wood floor, facing painted drywall at a distance of about 8 feet. the first half of the album was unbearably bright, the second half deeply trippy in a flying lotus way.

i hear all of the "french touch" references on the thread

i did a quickie interview with Joel Ford for the show tonight.

They're playing TONIGHT? In Brooklyn? Man, my day just got a lot better...

at the Mercury Lounge in LES.

I thought it was at 285 Kent: http://www.villagevoice.com/events/turrbotax-presents-ford-and-lopatin-jacques-greene-autre-ne-veut-2612868/

Okay, so people keep talking about Scritti Politti and I'm intrigued. What kind of stuff are they channeling? Any recommendations?

the title track does remind me of the remix of 'Absolute' a lot so start with Cupid & Psyche 85

good show -- early 90s vibes strong. much more build-and-release dance than concise pop live. however it was one of the hottest shows i have ever been in and i felt like i was going to die so i spent a portion of it listening from outside

dj spinning underground resistance afterward, nice

:-D

cupid & psyche 85 has a lot more BIG SCARE QUOTES soul than this

"emergency room" i think is the closest it gets to scritti

Listening now to Cupid & Psyche 85 and yeah, I can hear it absolutely. It's a lovely record though. Like it a lot and I went to Discogs just now and got a good value vinyl copy coming to me.

Oh yeah the Absolute version / remix

Agreed re: "Emergency Room" being the Scrittiest... The super-playful production on "Hypnotize" reminds me a lot of moments on Channel Pressure. Cupid & Psyche 85 is SUCH a great record.

Also re: vocals - surely I can hear the guy from Autre Ne Veut on a couple of these tunes, right?

iirc yep

My girlfriend and I went record shopping today, and she put in some serious time dumpster-diving in the dollar bin... She turned up Riptide by Robert Palmer, and I have to say, "Joey Rogers" also owes a lot to "I Didn't Mean to Turn You On"--an amazing song. I feel like everything '80s I've been listening to since I got Channel Pressure I'm hearing through its prismatic and dizzying references.

My bit about the live gig from the other week:
http://thequietus.com/articles/06413-ford-lopitan-live-review

Ive a feeling all the scritti politti comparisons stem from the wire review. I dont really hear it myself

for me it was "the singing really reminds me of someone" and when someone suggested Gartside it was a bit of a kick m/s moment.

I definitely hear in Emergency Room, but not too much in the rest. Haven't read the Wire review.

This record is fucking ace btw.

Ive a feeling all the scritti politti comparisons stem from the wire review

just seemed pretty obvious from the title track imo

Otm

Have you guys heard the slowed-down "echo jam" version of the Scritti song on the Games "Heaven Can Wait" mixtape?

Dog Latin, thought you were overly positive about that gig, I was really bummed out by it. it just felt that neither of them got into the groove at all and the minute the crowd began feeling it, then they stopped and started again.

and after the minimum time they could play for, they legged it....

been trying to understand why this was so different from the gig at the Ether festival, and I can only guess that the layout of the Shackleton means everyone stays in the pub area and only fills the venue as the band come on, which means the crowd are not warmed up and the no one can gauge the crowd till the band come on.

I liked the gig but found myself apologizing to friends I had brought along for a hit and miss 30 min set.

This sounds unbearably bright to me as well, I associate that strain of production with particularly hamfisted frankendance BUT I assume Lopatin knows what he's doing here. But to me it just sounds fucking horrible and flattens out any textural interest that might be there.

Hamildan, yes I agree it wasn't exactly the most enthralling thing I'd ever seen and I think I mentioned it was waaaay too short, plus a bit arms-across-chest. The subheading on that article makes it out to be more positive than I felt. Their set at primavera was kind of similar and I was surprised at the lack of snare.

Channel Pressure : brightness :: Psychocandy : surface noise

'The Voices', especially the chorus, is killing me. It sounds like an M83 track with a different singer. So much going on, such a perfect build of tiny details and a lush vocal loop.

the cupid and psyche connection... both records are extremely EXTROVERTED synth pop records with tons of gorgeous sounds whizzing by. intricate design. channel pressure is extremely 1985... the rise of fairlights/digital sampling mixing in with synthpop. i'm also reminded of mid-late80s 12" pop "dub" mixes where horn stabs and noises dart in and out.. just the whole gimmicky "this sampler thing is fun, let's throw sounds all over the place" approach but done with care and precision.

and it's weird how that approach kind of converges with the whole stuttering/"nu-glitch" vibe that seems to be going on (com truise, onra, james blake, dilla copyists, etc.). damn, i might be reaching here.

Clarke B. thanks for the heads up on Heaven Can Wait. I got a hold of Spend the Night With Games (which is excellent), glad to see there's more.

yeah i agree with you blank but at the same time i feel like those are the least unique aspects of scritti politti, there's not a lot of 80s pop your description doesn't match

right, that's why i pointed to 12" remixes and such. that seemingly haphazard but conscientious approach to throwing sounds around which i think is absent from most/all 80s revival stuff. i guess i'm just trying to get this back to the "wrong side of the eighties" thing that was mentioned earlier.

I still don't have Spend the Night with Games, but you should definitely get the That We Can Play EP--really solid top to bottom. Heaven Can Wait is literally just slowed down jams with some echo and synth added here and there, but many of the choices are really inspired (and I never knew how amazing Sandra was!). From a music theory 101 perspective, I think some of the perceived kinship between Channel Pressure and Cupid & Psyche 85 might also have to do with the predominance of major keys on both records, which speaks to a complete lack of "dour" on both records as well. And I like blank's point about the 12" extended dub remix feel to some of these Channel Pressure tracks. This record is really incredible.

Yeah spend the night is just a dj mix. 80s boogie, slowed down michael franks, a track from maxinquaye, sweet stuff.

that we can play is kind of ehhh, IMO. They really stepped things up with the LP. Not all that different, just better production and songs.

moonship is right w/r/t Channel
Pressure sounding like a non-specific 80s album. However, It evokes a lot of thoughts of stylistic shifts through the 80s, for me. Like, where do the early80s end and the late80s begin lol?

Got this on Friday and have been playing non stop since..

Its definitely a nod to the teen film soundtracks of the 80s, with the detuned synths mirroring a VHS losing its tracking during the film titles.

Been trying to place the narrative that was talked up in the hype for this album and I feel that the cover image & teaser video is more of a mood board for the album, rather than a concept album proper.

There's more lyrics/actual songs than I expected and it feels more assured than the games we play ep, this seems more a statement of intent, whist earlier releases were Flopatin just seeing what worked.

In another universe John Hughes is sound-tracking his films to this and twenty years later we're on an internet message board talking about a new synth duo who have released a song called 'Oh Yeah'.

break inside & too much midi are two tracks of the year imo

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wpYdRQy1u94/TBlJPY4gZmI/AAAAAAAAAgk/ESz3AUPOgNs/s1600/rinspeed-yello-talbo-01.jpg

what wld the ford&lopatinmobile be like?

http://media.windingroad.com/autos_db/lists/ferrari_testarossa_straman_white_jpg_667x667_q100.jpg

have a gold star

"too much midi" is pretty incredible after that bridge when the other part of the song kicks in. gotta <3 those synth stabs

didn't realize this was related to adult swim in any way but after the video for "world of regret" i guess it makes sense

yeah the terius/prince bit is a massive treat

CALL ME MR CLUTCH

thanks to spectrist i can now picture this w/ great lucidity

Its definitely a nod to the teen film soundtracks of the 80s, with the detuned synths mirroring a VHS losing its tracking during the film titles.

Seemingly every producer has been doing detuned synths for the past couple of years. I fucking hate them by now.

i'm hoping the new neon indian album will be better than this tho i don't expect it to be quite as intricate.

loved like half of this but was suspicious abt how i could really like something made by the same ppl who made the other half. pretty curious to listen again though

I think people's initial hesitancy with this record despite their attraction to it, combined with the frequently echoed sentiment of wanting to return to it, bodes really well for its longevity. A lot of my favorite records I struggled with initially, at least in some small way.

Love this...I think having the instrumental disk is ubersavvy, will flip between the two and extend the listening lifespan somewhat.

instrumental disc? what is this? well, it sounds obvious but yeah - not with the vinyl. Bastards.

I don't know about neon Indian. I only heard the track that basically just samples a rundgren song in it's entirety and adds bad flaming lips style vocals. Does it really have much to do with this?

I kind of think this album does drag after Joey Rogers, apart from surrender and world of regret.

so after 8 of 12 only 2 are worth hearing?

Does anybody have an opinion on the Infinity Window record? Someone just passed me a copy - not listened yet (record player bust)

The first one? Awesome drone stuff, I recommend it

Is Joey Rodgers not in the middle of the album? Not counting 1st and last tracks (I'm weird)

people hating on the last half of this disc are somehow discounting the awesomeness of "break inside". it might be the most weeknd-style indie r&b jam on the album but it's still pretty sick

is anyone else who likes this having a hard time getting into the com truise record? to me it feels so one-dimensional and wallpapery in comparison

Is it me or does this feel like a very short album? Seems I put it on
And before I know it it's pretty much over. No draggy bits at all.

Com Truise is pretty one dimensional but I like it. Fatter low end than F&P

So instrumental disc on CD release but not Vinyl or Digital download?

that sucks.

com truise is soundtrack music ("wallpapery"), F&L is pop music

yeah i think part of the reason i like com truise & time wharp & milochondria &c &c better than this f+l release is cuz theyre a little more abstract/playful/'about the process' than channel pressure, which aims for pop

i realize what the fundamental differences between the f&l and com truise albums are, one just seems a lot more desireable to me. it's not like channel pressure is routine pop or anything, there are some legit carpenter/moroder-style synth interludes that would probably go down pretty well on the knew age thread among the pop moments. and even the pop songs are surprising and fairly distinct from other stuff in this vein

Com Truise sounds good and all, but Channel Pressure is another level of achievement entirely--songs-wise (I get that this isn't the "point" of Com Truise, but even compositionally speaking), textures-wise, production-wise. I dunno, that sounds like I'm bashing Com Truise when that's not how I mean it; I suppose I don't think there's much else out there at the moment even comparable to Channel Pressure aside from in some very superficial ways (and if there is, I need to hear it!).

F&L album is totally amazing, really summons up a Thomas Dolby circa "Golden Age of Wireless" vibe, and yeah I definitely hear Max Tundra in the vocal phrasing and in the overall intense "smarty pants"/cheeky sense of every musical gesture as one saturated with, to be pretentious, "historicity", i.e. it's not just "dated" but very self-consciously embraced-because-dated. Haven't read that "Retromania" book but this seems dying for application to its thesis. A little bit Prince, a little bit Scritti Politti/Ebn Ozn/Thomas Dolby, some of the same VHS Head/Daft Punk aggression in the chopping/editing syntax, lots of hilarious use of the bender/modwheel abuse. So much fun!

can somebody explain what is up with this "instrumentals disc"?

i have the CD in the lp-style cardboard sleeve and as far as i can tell there is no instrumentals disc in the package

maybe it is a bonus for illegal downloaders?

I've been wondering the same thing.

haha, i guess it is just an internet thing... not sure where they came from tbh (i sure as hell acquired them illegally)

maybe it was a college radio promo type-deal? the only thing that comes up with a google search are college station playlists and mediafire/megaupload/whathaveyou

part of the reason i like com truise & time wharp & milochondria &c &c better than this f+l release is cuz theyre a little more abstract/playful/'about the process' than channel pressure, which aims for pop

haha, I take my hat off to anyone who discards the shallow pleasures of this gluttonously produced catchy pop in favour of the Formalist Fun yr speaking about there.

but then does abstract/playful/'about the process' mean treatment of source material or do you mean it adopts that oblique indie pose rather than pull the same tricks off while gorging on all the treats?

uhm shit, wrong thread, sorry

How is Channel Pressure NOT sooo much 'about the process'?!

that was one of my points. I generally rate lamp's ears though, so maybe that shit is a blast too, I should probably check it out

Com Truise sounds good and all, but Channel Pressure is another level of achievement entirely

This is all a matter of what one's priorities are; I don't necc. subscribe to the whole "more details, more depth is always better thing". sometimes ye just want something simple with fat bass and no dorky vocals.

i guess i think of 'channel pressure' as being only partially about technology (and our relationship w/ progress or w/e) but stuff like time wharp & tom cruise is much more explcitally concerned w/ that stuff, with using the process of making music to comment on the 'idea' of making music?

like: this is a song called 'Oberheim Matrix-6' which was made on an oberheim matrix-6 vs. this is song called 'Synthetic Vision' and it was made on an [...] and has lyrics about a boy falling in love with a robot on telelvision

that is maybe the stupidest post in long history of stupid posts on ilm :/

No I think you pretty accurately described a very real aesthetic divide with this stuff.

com truise remix of hussle club's 'loose tights' wouldn't sound too out of place on channel pressure fwiw

after bad-mouthing this album earlier in the thread, I ended up impulse buying it the other day after seeing it on a New Releases rack. It's scratching an itch I didn't know I had. I guess I like it after all.

stuff like time wharp & tom cruise is much more explcitally concerned w/ that stuff, with using the process of making music to comment on the 'idea' of making music?

okay, but what's the comment being offered? or is it just "a comment?"

http://youtu.be/pukb_scv1Ao

hoops fan in me loves that he's called this chuck person

also the chuck person tape is sooooo good, i say this as someone who has regularly googled sunsetcorp so i can listen to the eccojams

I just picked up volume 7 of the "FRKWYS" series with Lopatin, Laurel Halo, James Ferarro, David Borden, and Samuel Godin, just out on RVNG records. It's really, really good, and I particularly like the last track "Twilight Pacific" with its endlessly repeating Oneohtrix slow melty Juno arpeggio. There's a graininess, a delacquered quality, to Lopatin's ambient stuff that I think sets it apart (in a good way) from the smoother sounds of the Emeralds crew (especially the few Spectrum Spools releases so far), etc. I hear there's a new Oneohtrix LP in the works for release this fall.

Last two tracks on the FRKWYS album are fantastic, a fine listen.

Oneohtrix playing live this Saturday night at The Stone NYC, 8:00 PM...

I've seen him live just this Friday and tbh it kinda disappointed me. but I guess the joke's on me - expected more slow melty Juno arpeggios / "chillwave'y" kind of ambient, got more noisy (at times real noisy) stuff instead. at least, in the end it wasn't boring.

lol i saw him saturday and i mentioned in another thread that i fell asleep in the front row but this is really more my issue than with the music. it was cute how he kept circling his hand to illustrate that he was playing loops. yes i know you are playing loops.

was it a nice sleep? or just the sleep you could have had on the couch, falling asleep to the **channel pressure**

That's the nicest kind! I'm definitely going Saturday, and I look forward to seeing what he does... The venue doesn't sell tickets in advance, and I have a long history of underestimating how much NYC crowds will be into a given artist, so I'm trying to figure out how far in advance to line up.

http://www.dummymag.com/news/2011/08/17/oneohtrix-point-never-announce-replica/

Excellent news.

Clips from the two non-OPN forthcoming releases on Software here:

http://alteredzones.com/posts/1805/software-label-preps-releases-opn-harmonizer-airbird/

Airbird is Ford solo, Harmonizer is Toby Aronson and Greg Davis.

Harmonizer sounding gooooood first time around.

have u heard the tape they did on nna?

harmonizer track seems to be channeling jon hassell, nice. dig the sparseness.

I had the exact same thought. It's terrific in any case.

yeah, and I'll second the nna tape that lamp mentioned. def worth a listen.

have found greg davis' stuff to be a bit spotty but the stuff that clicks really does the trick. and I am really liking the new angle (I think? I certainly haven't heard it all) he's working w/the harmonizer material. could be aronson, I'm not really familiar.

The first OPN single off Replica sounds really freaking promising--creepy cut-off loops that sort of line up with recent Andy Stott and Actress stuff to these ears:

http://www.pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/12350-sleep-dealer/

hrm... i am a huge lopatin stan but this seems like the kind of tune that could really use some of the immersive sound engineering skills of an actress or andy stott, but instead he's doing the same old midi-fied schtick. i could still maybe be persuaded by a better quality mp3

yeah this is good

kinda reminds me of oval

kept expecting a kick drum to come in but really glad it didn't

what does "same old midi-fied schtick" mean

it means he keeps making his sound more and more lo-fi yet it's still very digital (ie: everything released as games / ford and lopatin), and i think this new track could benefit from the attention to detail you'd find on an oval record. it's like he's approaching the creepy cut-off loops with a chillwave aesthetic and it just sounds kinda flat and annoying to me?

"attention to detail"

U trollin

can you explain? do you hear some level of intricacy in the sound design on this track that my ears are too ignorant to pick up? it's a style that forces you to pay attention to texture, and this texture sounds muddy imo. and whatever pitch that distortion is in gives me a headache every time (not that i can't handle extreme/high pitched tones, just give me ryoji ikeda over this any day)

these criticisms don't apply to any other opn material fwiw

this harmonizer thing with greg davis on the software label sounds awesome tho, some definite jon hassell vibes

ha, looking upthread i realize i am a bit late on the harmonizer woops

This song seems kind of a chore to listen to

its like a rubbish footwork remix of a opn track. the ominous chillwave undertow is the best thing about it

psychgawsple, you likely have better ears than i do - maybe if i had your ears the sound would drive me nuts. that said, this is a track with tape hiss and a sense of unease, from a dude that loves the pathos of dusty gear. the low-quality samples fit. personally my favorite moments are when he gets past that, i'm thinking of moments on the f+l record and much of returnal. but thinking that the track would be better if oval produced it is missing the point.

i'm liking 'channel pressure' but it's a little too jumpy? fuck concept albums imo. there's so many cool moves and great little moments but i just feel like they should all get their own song. i thought 'that we can play' was really moving, this doesn't let its ideas breathe as much, even though a lot of it is a step up, idk

ya i get that the fidelity stuff is deliberate, but i like tape hiss (usually) and i just don't think it suits that style. but w/e i think an album of him attempting similar things from different directions could be great

https://twitter.com/riverscuomo/status/116226967300358144

https://twitter.com/0pn/status/116229792520617984

https://twitter.com/riverscuomo/status/116238295104622592

Haha. The next best thing since Loutellica: Oneothrix Point Cuomo.

OMG, if this happens I am SO over Loutallica.

xp - i know what you mean about channel pressure being both a step up and a step down... did you like the instrumentals tho? if you wanted things to have more room to breathe that might be a good option

lol no way that collab can be bad right?

ooh wee ooh I look just like a lossy VHS of buddy holly

god damn you half cybertronic girls, you do it 2 me every time

"hrm... i am a huge lopatin stan but this seems like the kind of tune that could really use some of the immersive sound engineering skills of an actress or andy stott, but instead he's doing the same old midi-fied schtick. i could still maybe be persuaded by a better quality mp3"

"it means he keeps making his sound more and more lo-fi yet it's still very digital (ie: everything released as games / ford and lopatin), and i think this new track could benefit from the attention to detail you'd find on an oval record. it's like he's approaching the creepy cut-off loops with a chillwave aesthetic and it just sounds kinda flat and annoying to me?"

This doesn't make any sense to me. Actress' stuff is totally lo-fi and very digital; OPN, up until the new album, has worked mostly with analog gear, and not a ton of audible processing. Also, I have no idea what you mean by "MIDI-fied schtick."

Yeah the Oval comparison hit me when i heard this new material live the other week at field day. Id say the closest parallel is the first field album which was pretty lo-fi but had its charm. The Pitchfork track was probably the poppiest moment and not really representative, the rest of the loops were seriously mangled (though occasional hiphop rhythms would surface) and there was a lot more oval style information overload noise like the first track on returnal. Overall it left me puymped for the new album.

Listening again its the field if he was more into theo parrish

Totally stoked for Weezabix Point Never

Actress' stuff is totally lo-fi and very digital

i guess actress uses effects/distortion in a way that doesn't strike me as 'lo-fi' at all? and when i talk about lopatin becoming more lo-fi and more digital i am referring to the games/ford and lopatin releases, he even had a song called "too much midi" fer chrissakes (not to mention an entire album of overblown digital pop). and tho i loved these production values/midi schtick on channel pressure i think it sounds distracting on this new song, like it's being used more in the manner you would find on a ltd edition tape release on a boutique label- sorta slapped on top of the song for effect instead of placed within the song in a dynamic way? i'm really sick of explaining this btw

just chill and ride the soundwaves bro

fer real i need a smoke

Pre-orders for the new record now up... http://oneohtrixpointnever.bigcartel.com/

audiophile bundle is very tempting

lol cmon really?

he's playing a free gig on the boston waterfront today, apparently--let me know if you want to come with

Another Replica track, "Andro" (which IMO sounds much more like 'classic'/sleepy/synth-led OPN than "Sleep Dealer", but still has that added rhythmic/sample-loop element in the background) starts off this Mixcloud mix:
http://pregnantkettle.blogspot.com/2011/09/lost-idol-morning-glory-26th-september.html

(Nice little Black Dice-y bongo/hand-drum bit at the end of the track, though)

lol cmon really?

i like the artist and i like cool stuff and i like being able to pay a little more to support the artist and his projects

plus i imagine if i ever decide to sell the test pressing, the bundle will end up paying for itself

http://soundcloud.com/mexicansummer/oneohtrix-point-never-replica

newt rack

recalls vincent gallo, boards, opn, etc. better than "sleep dealer" !

Enjoying Never more than I thought I would. Really like Nassau. The whole thing sounds more IDMy than to me previous works. I like the vocal snips.

new OPN streaming here: http://soundcloud.com/mexicansummer/sets/oneohtrix-point-never-replica. never listened to this dude before, like it more than i expected to.

rest of it sounds better to me than "Sleep Dealer." pretty cool overall, don't like it as much as "Rifts" though.

this is distractingly annoying at times imo but it has some ok moments. doubt i'll listen to it very often

the last track, in particular, is really nice.

i think the new james ferraro thing was p much exactly what i wanted this album to be tho... so at least that exists

new james ferraro is very excellent

Very different from the last one but I like it.

i think the new james ferraro thing was p much exactly what i wanted this album to be tho

haha :/

still don't get why you don't like that!

i'll join the chorus of ppl who prefer rifts. i get that he couldn't keep making synth drone forever for fear that he'd turn into jean-michel jarre and, like, play casinos or something... but the synth stuff was so much nicer aesthetically. i read his interviews and it seems like he's for sure making important art

trying to let this one grow on me. i figure there's a real possibility that it'll happen - like, i find jarre to be extremely listenable but unchallenging to the point of being boring, while on the flip side i've revisited some noisey drone stuff that previously fucked with my head (whitehouse) to surprisingly positive results.

so yeah... in sum: cool album, tough listen, but i'll cut it some slack cuz OPN seems like a rad dude who knows what's up

I dig the first track where it goes through a few different sections, especially the shift in the last minute or so

Dig returnal way more than rifts, guessing I'll be into this

can we agree that returnal is a summer album? like, it captures some weight-y--heat on the planet's surface -type-of-'jams'
new one feels kinda lite

i do not think that this new record sounds 'lite' at all, there are some relentless moments on there

i also don't think it sounds much like returnal, which was wayyy more similar to rifts imo

After listening to Rifts on five separate occasions, in different contexts and on different players, I think I finally have to admit that I'm really not feeling this one at all.

Wait, are you saying you don't like Rifts or the new one?

Oh sorry, I mean Replica. I love Rifts.

really like this album!!

the sample stuff makes sense to me, given that both the times ive seen him in the past year he's been doing the live midi laptop thing. kinda wish it were easier to tour with tons of synth gear tho

here's a pretty good article for nerds http://www.dummymag.com/features/2011/11/04/technique-oneohtrix-point-never-replica/

this is on Spotify, btw. finally listened to it all the way through. Not into the chopped up stuff, but the album starts and finishes strong. Glad to see him trying new stuff, but he had some huge shoes to fill with Returnal, which was pretty much perfect.

Not into the chopped up stuff, but the album starts and finishes strong.

that's pretty much where I'm at too

Article in The Quietus where Daniel picks his 13 favourite albums:

http://thequietus.com/articles/07365-oneohtrix-point-never-favourite-albums

nice list but yet killin' me with all the paging, quietus!!

*'yer' not 'yet'

he also did this mix: http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/7987/

Good list. Gotta check out that Tom Recchion LP now.

yea that's the one I'm most curious about as well

drool

they had 12 out of the 13 on spotify so I made a playlist out of it, only missing #13 (La Haine OST)

http://open.spotify.com/user/deadheatnyc/playlist/4TmolZA3kJdRSBz3lFssKW

brave new world.

thanks, dmr!

no prob

that Tom Recchion album is pretty wonderful. it's all loops pulled from old Esquivel records and mixed live, if i'm not mistaken. And considering how Tom's love of exotica had a profound influence on David Toop's book, you know he can be trusted.

the vocal tracks on that Eduard Artemiev are pretty dire. "Warmth of Earth" the title track was pretty sweet though.

man SAW II is a long record. haven't listened to that in a while.

Achh, there was this short edit/rework he did of an 80s soul/pop/something like that song with a video of this colourful comet-trail triangle or something that like that I saw awhile ago but can't for the life of me find now. Can someone link me to this please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFunvF0mDw

THANKING U

Achh, there was this short edit/rework he did of an 80s soul/pop/something like that song with a video of this colourful comet-trail triangle or something that like that I saw awhile ago but can't for the life of me find now. Can someone link me to this please.

haha plax linked this in his chillwave thread

lots of old favs on that list. i think most of my fav recchion is on chaotica. shit like perpetual motion clock kind of reminds me of replica

loving this album. the way he uses loops sounds really fresh to me for some reason.

Not sure whether this has been posted before, but it's great:

http://soundcloud.com/mexicansummer/ford-and-lopatin-i-surrender-peaking-lights

I'm really digging Replica. I don't really know his other work all that much, but the weird loops reminds me of old kompakt stuff like Dettinger. And the stuff with piano is achingly beautiful (especially the title track). Weirdly has the same vibe as the new Drake album (sorry).

Not sure what I think of the James Ferraro. It's interesting, but kind of too silly for my tastes. Reminds me of some weird 3d animated factory videos that used to play on budget cable channels late at night accompanied by midi classical music. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

And the ford and lopatin kinda sounds like a pop album based on those same sounds. I dig them, but I don't love them.

Ha. This is the closest thing I could find to what I was talking about, even though it's not exactly what I was thinking. And tbh, it's kinda awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwoSXQx_uw

tom recchion connection makes a lot of sense w/replica, which just makes me want to listen to recchion instead

0PN emeralds and the like should release the MIDI tracks as like a bonus download or something

Man, I listened to Replica, and I was like ~shrug~.

Ford and Lopatin, though: that's the jam.

^ word

the james ferraro record is definitely v ridiculous, more feeling out of an aesthetic than a record mb. it's so evocative - reminds me of plenty of shit like jaxon posted: windows 95 game Hover!, wii music - but retrospectively captures/redefines that essence better than any of things it's borrowing from, like some uber pure 90s corporate video muzak. all the ferraro records i've listened to have had that v strong sense of dreamy, dislocated mass-media virtuality, & it's part of the power of it, but idk how much listening i'll get out of this one. but yeah, despite the resonances, or mb because it has myriad resonances, it's kind of like nothing else i've ever heard, so you have to hand it to him

one track samples the Wii start-up noise

I like Replica a lot more than that Ferarro album though

one track on the Ferarro I mean

I, on the other hand, shrugged at Ford & Lopatin; for me, Replica's his best work so far by far.

"Child Soldier" kills me esp.--someone could (if not should) make a Latin Rascals-style freestyle edit of that.

im almost certain that ferraro lifts from the first boomblox sdtrk on that record (im sure ive mentioned this before) also from like mac promo videos circa 1998. idk theres a bunch of direct refs to stuff all that turn of the century techno-optimism, digitial new age shit

music for looking at gifs on tumblr.

i do like this though. i was not feeling Sleep Dealer at all when i first heard it, but it makes more sense within the context of the album.

"Child Soldier" kills me esp

this came up on shuffle in the car the other day and i thought it was something from MAYA at first.

yea it's getting harder to ignore the appeal of parts of replica, ESPECIALLY the first and last tracks. i think i'm still sorta reeling from the initial jarring reaction of dissonant loops mixed in with the granular synth chillage of his other stuff, but it's not that much of a departure really and he's doing it in a way that shows a real admiration for dudes like recchion and reich and all the best avant loopers.

but honestly it doesn't even come close to the last 2 records, saying otherwise is massive hyperbole imo

i can't stop loving replica. his weird stretched out tape loop stuff was always the best (see "demoral"). kind of reminds me of some of terre thaemlitz' stuff, in terms of using samples to tease emotions out of the listener in a convoluted way. at the same time, it's very "natural" sounding.. in an "office space field recordings" kind of way.

yeah replica is the bomb

this passed me by for w/e reason but is certainly of note: http://soundcloud.com/mexicansummer/shannon-f-ford-lopatin-snakes#new-timed-comment-at-190938

the b-side of that with tamaryn is nice too

just heard this for the first time. probably about 2 years late for the train. the video for replica does something weird to me.

Rifts is a really good collection. I've been falling asleep to it for the last week!

Rifts is still the best one I find

Replica is wonderful, I’ve really come around on it since initially balking at Sleep Dealer and the new direction. His best, most interesting work by a good bit imo.

Picked up 'Trans Fat' by Infinity Window last night...that's some cold shit.

had an opposite reaction to everyone else itt re: on the sampling on replica. it comes off as faux-naif and doesn't rly gel with the synths in a way i can enjoy

my take on ferraro is... kinda lol mostly garbage

new track is cool:

http://soundcloud.com/oneohtrix-point-never/song1opn

that is pretty pretty good
i think i prefer the field's deconstruction, but all in all awesome stuff

i feel like there's some sort of essay to be written about sampling/nostalgia/eeriness and the many lives of that flamingos track (which as to be one of the spookiest love songs ever btw) (i.e. American Graffiti, Fugees' "zealots", the Field track, and these great new covers)

my favorite use (09:00) :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5855088917937778770

Has anyone written an essay about the song's critical SYNTAX ERROR?

Or maybe the song WAS intended to be about sexual objectification.

same issue w/ God Only Knows, ppl need to stay on top of that shit

been jamming this song a lot, it scratches a certain sort of itch for me & fills a little blissed out niche v neatly

should there be a post here every single time he posts anything to soundcloud? probably, right?

MEET YOUR CREATOR

ummmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cseTX_rW3uM

this is amazing for many many reasons

it's pretty great. the part where the flying robots form the infinity symbol is like, wow.

uuuuuuugh, so good it hurts

bit flashy isn't it

quadrotors are the perfect robot for opn

animusic for hipsters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBOQcQO0IFI

more like a retro daito manabe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIjBrmCnGiU&feature=plcp

daito & this kind of stuff need its own thread mb

So the Ford & Lopatin album seemed a bit slept on, it's really lovely. The remix album is sounding pretty great too, they got some excellent people in for that (Russom, Braxe, Optimo, The Bug etc.)

love the split LP with Rene Hell.

Not digging this one so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn6zlGKI4SU

man "channel pressure" has sakamoto/ymo sonic references all over it

time was this was a oneohtrix point never thread then it became a thread about a lot of other things

lopatin's a prolific dude

i have been so impressed with the quality of releases on software.

the autre ne veut single was a surprise gem for me; made it quite high on my 2012 tracks list despite a bizarre and unnecessary mykki blanco verse.

i was even more delighted by this pete swanson song they released - i wasn't previously familiar with yellow swans, which has been a revelation in and of itself. anyways, i particularly like this beat-driven approach that swanson is using now, and am eager to hear the full EP in march.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKVAtsyyFZA

very curious to see what lopatin & co. pull out of their magic hat next. they're on a winning streak!

pete swanson's output has been worth following in the last year or so. i've never got into yellow swans, though! time to hunt for a thread.

http://thewire.co.uk/img/scale/460/561/2013/01/16/cover348.jpg

lopatin reminds me of one particular ilm poster

Just popping in to mention the Brassica remix of Ford & Lopatin, which I can't. stop. playing this week

Was there any talk about the Hecker & Lopatin album? Might be lost in the message fold

anyone know what song is sampled in the second eccojam track?

oh, i figured it out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG2egVUiWp4

I've heard the Hecker & Lopatin album once. I didn't love it. It didn't make me want to investigate further but I bought the CD so I will try again.

I'm slowly getting into it. "Vaccination" was slaying me recently.

The Rifts vinyl set is still out there at some vendors. I bit the bullet and copped it a few weeks back and its insanely beautiful/sounds great, highest possible recommendation. The definitive release of that along with the breakup of Emeralds and the left turn of the last OPN full-length (Replica) and the rise of Ford & Lopatin-type stuff has me thinking "RIP Synth Revival: 2006 - 2012" maybe.

which venders? i tried to get it as soon as it came out and it was already sold out in the handful of places i normally order from!

this is going to be an expensive evening because i just realized selected ambient works vol II was reissued last year, too.

Yikes looks like it really is gone everywhere. I got a new/sealed one off Discogs for $60 just a few weeks ago, price seems to have doubled in that timeframe. Apologies for getting your hopes up, maybe they will re-press it.

Dude is on the cover of the Wire this month. Dayum.

Returnal became a favorite of mine at some point last year, and this year I just caught up to Replica and it's become a favorite as well. Most of the time it has just the sort of sound I want in electronic music (not that I listen to much of it--but I listen to much of Oneohtrix Point Never).

he wrings so much melancholy out of his equipment

Yes. Guess I should make time to read this thread, which I'm pretty sure I've only ever quickly skimmed.

Mexican Summer is doing individual re-pressings of all of the LPs included in the Rifts box set.

a guy i know pronounces this 'oh - neo - tricks' and now i can never spell it right

I have never known how to pronounce it due to no one in real life knowing who the fuck he is. I always think one oh trix and feel like an asshole

well yr a correct asshole at least. it's a pun on a radio station called 106.7

i always assumed that but i only learnt about the radio thing from this thread. such a weirdly arbitrary name though

unless the radio is, like, 24/7 transmitting the sound of modems crying from the other side of a black hole

listening for the first time to the pete swanson track linked a couple months back. wow. was never a fan of his yellow swans, but this is hitting me nice yes indeed. want moar.

Hyperpyrexia is a fever with an extreme elevation of body temperature greater than or equal to 41.5 °C (106.7 °F).[13] Such a high temperature is considered a medical emergency as it may indicate a serious underlying condition or lead to significant side effects.

you should definitely listen to more pete swanson! I've said it elsewhere, but his live show was excellent, too.

wound up tubing a bunch of recent PS. dug a lot of it, though "life ends at 30" is a clear standout in terms of well-balanced noise to beat ratio.
also dig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzfwXogBG5g

my jam

yeah, listened to that one a bunch of times

I have never known how to pronounce it due to no one in real life knowing who the fuck he is.

i know a few people irl who know who he is, they just don't like him. :(

^this. idgi what's not to like?

I'd thought the pun was '1-0-Tricks-Point-Never,' like digital_tricks.no_version

people heard the clinic remix record thing?

yeah, it's good. not a big clinic fan (or a hater), but i checked it out due to the opn connection. like it enough that i'm now interested in hearing the delopatinated version.

track two of 'betrayed in the octagon' is on a serious 'oh thank fuck i found the room with the typewriter and the item box' tip