Pitchfork Reviews Reviews

so the Pitchfork threads don't become PRR threads

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you gotta be shitting me ksh

we are now three times removed from actual pitchfork

how high can we go ??

pls keep all threads abt pitchforks pure, guyz

guys, some of you are adults. you might think this thread is lame--I don't care--but getting worked up about the fact that I started this is pretty much lamer than anything

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getting worked up about the fact that I started this is pretty much lamer than anything

Yeah guys, the correct response is "tut, click SB, move on"

or you could just ignore the thread, since I'm actually interested in talking about this, and people trying to prevent me from doing so for no reason

people *are*, rather

life is a kshighway

Yeah guys, the correct response is "tut, click SB, move on"

― flashing drill + penis fan (Noodle Vague), Friday, July 23, 2010 6:16 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

aw yeah

Hey ksmarker, I am in support of your move, for whatever that's worth to the folks showing up here to post. I both get why you are interested and why you moved the discussion here. Eventually another story as relevant or interesting as the fact that the NY Times wrote a story about this dude will show up, and then yes, it will be good not to drag it into other threads.

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you gotta be kitten me

life is a kshighway

^^ display name opportunity

thanks for that grandavis! appreciated

pitchforkreviewsreviewsreviews.com

life is a kshighway

^^ display name opportunity

― the new hot dawg stand in compton (Pillbox), Friday, July 23, 2010 10:44 AM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark

I guess I joined the ranks of velko and pato w/ this one

i’m last and when he gets to me he shakes my hand and i say “it’s great to meet you!!” and he says “what do you do?”

and i am looking barack obama in the eye and i say, “i write a blog about a popular music website!”

and he looks at me quizzically for a second, i guess he was sort of piecing it together, and he goes, “oh, which website?”

and i say, “it’s called pitchfork. it’s based in chicago! are you familiar with it?”

and he says, “no, but i’ll have to look into it!”

Uh.

god this guy is so fucking crazy

man I actually went to 'pitchforkreviewsreviewsreviews.com' hoping there would be a site there. I would read that, I think.

There should be a column on Pitchfork called Pitchfork Reviews Pitchfork Reviews Reviews.

http://twitter.com/ichlugebullets/status/19840263022

wait is this a real thing???

skimmed that entry. . . . smh @ the world imo -- I'm gonna retire from posting about P4k from here until the day the earth falls into the sun unless the compulsion to do so becomes absolutely overwhelming

nobody actually reads this blog btw

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0409/PITCHFORK_Obamamage7.jpg

I'm gonna retire from posting about P4k from here until the day the earth falls into the sun unless the compulsion to do so becomes absolutely overwhelming

Don't bet on global warming saving you.

skimmed that entry. . . . smh @ the world imo -- I'm gonna retire from posting about P4k from here until the day the earth falls into the sun unless the compulsion to do so becomes absolutely overwhelming

― markers, Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:16 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

riiiiiiight

I'm gonna try

whats left tho

void

looking forward to this

Mod, plz change thread title:

ILX Reviews Pitchfork Reviews Reviews

mods, please lock thread & impart it to the ravenous eternal void

ILX Reviews Markers Posts Reviewing Articles Exploring Pitchfork Reviews Reviews

http://www.ILXReviewsMarkersPostsReviewingArticlesExploringPitchforkReviewsReviews.com

the weird thing about the obama post is that, from my perspective, it is the PRR guy saying "hi, nabisco, I was IN A VAN IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE"

he doesn't actually mention you or allude to you in that post though, does he?? (just skimmed the post)

"hi, nabisco, I was IN A VAN IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE"

^ could be the blog's new tagline

no of course he doesn't, i'm just saying it's funny. (also i think the post is to some degree fiction/joking)

the fiction and jokes of an insane person

I think there's probably a degree of Aspergers at work with this kid. I mean...

People with Asperger syndrome often display behavior, interests, and activities that are restricted and repetitive and are sometimes abnormally intense or focused. They may stick to inflexible routines, move in stereotyped and repetitive ways, or preoccupy themselves with parts of objects.

Pursuit of specific and narrow areas of interest is one of the most striking features of AS. Individuals with AS may collect volumes of detailed information on a relatively narrow topic such as weather data or star names, without necessarily having genuine understanding of the broader topic.

prediction: this thread will soon get a really interesting revive

i really doubt obama will go to that trouble nabisco

lmao @ this (now redacted):
4. on the new OJ Da Juiceman video for the song entitled “Party Started” i think he says something like “if i don’t get wasted / blame the Jew-man” and then there’s a short clip of an ostensibly jewish man holding a bag of money and grinning. not to be like the rap anti-defamation league but like why does shit like this always get a pass

prediction: this thread will soon get a really interesting revive

― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:22 PM (Yesterday)

O_O

lmao @ this (now redacted):
4. on the new OJ Da Juiceman video for the song entitled “Party Started” i think he says something like “if i don’t get wasted / blame the Jew-man” and then there’s a short clip of an ostensibly jewish man holding a bag of money and grinning. not to be like the rap anti-defamation league but like why does shit like this always get a pass

― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

his posts on rap are usually AWFUL

I hope no one would go to a blog called Pitchfork Reviews Reviews expecting incisive rap criticism

well that can't be what nabisco was thinking of xxp

~~spoiler~~ P4k bought PRR and it's gonna run as a daily feature where the site critiques itself

nabisco prob just means that the pfork reviews dude is gonna post itt

or maybe they hired him, who knows

or maybe PRR is the WAL MART MOONWALKER

PRR dude as p4k official ombudsman would be funny sorta

Pitchfork - the death of music?
― ???, Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:42 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

SO FUCKING ORIGINAL
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:43 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/29/AR2010072905971.html

"Music blogger says he drove van in Obama's motorcade and met the president"

In an e-mail, a White House official says that "the broad details" of David's account are "basically accurate . . . but the way he characterizes and attributes the comments and details is mostly inaccurate."

lol

WaPost is so bizarre.

let's get him on a lie detector to see if he thought it was a bigger deal to meet the president or ryan schreiber

"the way he characterizes and attributes the comments and details is mostly inaccurate."

this whole post is really a fictionalized version of his meeting schreiber imo

Why does that story end with "It was his first time driving a fan." WORST FUCKING END TO AN ARTICLE EVER.

...err, "first time driving a VAN."

you know after me and HRO did such a bang-up job being the music-internet meta-commentary famewhore crew in 2009, it's pretty depressing realizing we're really only footnotes to this guy's NYTimes profile

i'm basically trying to get myself into the mindset of thinking that was a worthwhile thing to a) pitch b) commission and idk, never in a million years would it have occurred to me to do that. is that what being good at pitching entails? i don't think i have that.

in short the existence of that profile appalls me so much that i am genuinely rethinking my life.

and the existence of this thread appalls me even more

Yet you can't resist posting in it, amirite?

And definitely have no beef with the the guy or his site at all, but its really funny to me how "I'm gonna start a blog that REVIEWS PITCHFORK REVIEWS" has been like a hacky running joke among indie people for like a solid ten years. But one dude actually does it and a whirlwind of activity promptly ensues.

It helps that his stream-of-consciousness, not-edited-to-death style is really engaging and interesting to read. More so than a good number of actual Pfork reviewers' stuff, in fact.

"I'm gonna tweet record reviews" sounds like a hacky running joke among indie people too, tbf

cool, but one actually was so thanks for playing

rowr! just sayin

It helps that his stream-of-consciousness, not-edited-to-death style is really engaging and interesting to read.

no just... no

It helps that his stream-of-consciousness, not-edited-to-death style is really engaging and interesting to read

what

haha, if i could pick one thing to complain about a 2,000-word pitchfork review, it would probably not be "edited-to-death"

More so than a good number of actual Pfork reviewers' stuff, in fact.

ok this maybe

I'd rather read some guy with oatmeal in his undies ranting about NCIS: LA than watch NCIS: LA but I can't say I'd tip my hat to the guy.

I'm not saying dude's an *incredible* writer, just that he has an engaging, identifiable style. Much like a lot of ILX posters, and better music writers on Pfork and elsewhere. He has his own "voice" -- as painful as it must be to admit.

well, if you put it that way, of course he deserves to be blog famous

As long as this means no one ever talks about Pitchfork on any other thread ever again I'm kind of okay with this thread frankly.

I'm not saying dude's an *incredible* writer, just that he has an engaging, identifiable style. Much like a lot of ILX posters, and better music writers on Pfork and elsewhere. He has his own "voice" -- as painful as it must be to admit.

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, July 30, 2010 9:30 AM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark

he writes like his age.

his 'voice' is '22 yr old' & i mean that in a 'affected blogger influenced by beat writers' way not a 'carson mccullers' way

Agreed. But, doesn't mean he's not a somewhat engaging writer.

downgraded to 'somewhat engaging' ill take it i guess

the problem i have w it is him putting himself at the center of this run-on-y things

like i keep getting the vibe that were supposed to appreciate his coming of age story or something its v offputting

right now i am in the handicapped bathroom stall at my office because [it is the most luxurious bathroom stall and] this is the only place where i can write this blog today because a) i have been repeatedly remanded for excessive blackberry use and b) i have so much work to do today and i am trying my best to not lose my job. whenever someone walks into the bathroom i have to stop typing because i don’t want people to go around the office saying that i was feverishly using my phone while on the toilet. i also feel silly sitting here because i don’t even have to use the bathroom

imo "writes like his age" shouldn't be an excuse or explanation applied to anyone over, like, 20 -- if you're an adult you should write like an adult, after a certain point precocious naif shit is either an act or just plain sad.

although if you meant it like "writes like he was born in 1988 or later" that's probably fair and accurate on a whole other level

kind of sad but mostly sad

in this case, I don't think this guy's tone is an affectation. it really does seem like he's just hurriedly typing all of this out on his blackberry somewhere

if he was writing this stuff for a publication you ran, and you were his editor, what specifically would you tell him to change about his writing?

if you're an adult you should write like an adult

sadly i don't think he's grasped "if you're an adult you should behave an adult" yet, judging from that

i am trying my best to not lose my job

lol, it shows

if he was writing this stuff for a publication you ran, and you were his editor, what specifically would you tell him to change about his writing?

― markers, Friday, August 6, 2010 2:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

oh cmon

"stop reviewing reviews and review a record" would be a start

if he was writing this stuff for a publication you ran, and you were his editor...

i'd be like WHO'S THIS GUY'S FATHER? amirite

like i know it's fun to pretend we're all in a state of perma-adolescence into our 30s and beyond and i know it's a truism that no one really feels like a proper adult but seriously GROW THE EFF UP and stop being so...pathetic.

if he was writing this stuff for a publication you ran, and you were his editor, what specifically would you tell him to change about his writing?

i would tell him nothing. i would not hire him. if i inherited him from a previous editor i would drop him.

i'd be like "if he were" u mean

the subjunctive & I are not speaking to each other currently

"if he was writing this stuff for a publication you ran, and you were his editor, what specifically would you tell him to change about his writing?"

come back when you've edited it at least once yourself.

for starters.

and that's if i was saddled with the prr "column" idea by higher management.

also there's no really polite or acceptable way to write "seek professional help" using your work email.

it's kind of amazing that he hasn't gotten burnt out doing this yet

self-regard disguised as self-effacing humility is a hell of a drug

I always thought this thread was a hoax. Wow.

you know I even read some of this thread and the other Pitchfork threads and I still was hoping this was a hoax

mo "writes like his age" shouldn't be an excuse or explanation applied to anyone over, like, 20 -- if you're an adult you should write like an adult, after a certain point precocious naif shit is either an act or just plain sad.

plz post this on the Arcade Fire thread thnkx

lol

i don't know wtf this is all about but anyone who's been reprimanded about excessive blackberry use but is still scurrying into the bathroom to secretly use it is living on borrowed time at his job and could probably use an intervention.

I actually like some of this dude's writing, but I really can't imagine why someone would want to think about the mechanics of P4k reviews so much. I know I post about P4k here pretty often, but I pretty much never read the reviews anymore and never think about it when I'm away from ILM. I think a kid with this much energy and passion for music could find a lot of better things to do with his time

kid just needs to man up and developing a drinking problem if he's gonna shit his job down the tubes

the hilarious thing is that a. he doesn't have a deadline and b. people are always checking the internet, so it's not like he couldn't write when he got home from work! don't get fired, man!

dude needs to get laid, start his own indie band, or join the tea party.

whenever someone walks into the bathroom i have to stop typing because i don’t want people to go around the office saying that i was feverishly using my phone while on the toilet. i also feel silly sitting here because i don’t even have to use the bathroom

rock bottom

i really wish he'd just find this thread already. so many questions need answering.

Z S already said he sent PRR a link to the other Pitchfork thread

i usually go into the bathroom to use my phone to go on the internet during work, but that's out of crushing boredom, not because i'm feverishly typing blog posts into my phone

don't give him the address, strongo: he might send you tweets from a bathroom stall next Tuesday and get him fired.

Pitchfork

haha it depresses me on some level that this kid has been written up in both the times AND the post in part for commenting on my work.

I think we can all agree that there's an unhealthy focus on p4k in this guy's life, right? Like it's one thing to make a snarky comment about the website once in a blue moon to friends, or to check it out to see the latest news about bands you're into. But like, what does it mean that it's p4k reviews reviews and not Rollingstone reviews reviews or Alternative Press reviews reviews or Spin Magazine reviews reviews? It probably means that he's confusing the teleology of p4k with the cultural hip cache, and he hasn't figured out yet that being that explicit about what things are 'hip' is actually really uncool. It's kinda an aspie thing (and reminds me of that dude in that other thread who discovered the SFJ Radiohead lie thing and who @ to Chuck Klosterman every other line on his twitter).

Like, the truth is that being uninterested in Klosterman or p4k is also signaling certain hip poses and stuff, but generally apathy is coded as a little hipper at the moment than obsessiveness and enthusiasm like that. (there are ways of being enthusiastic + hip obv, but that's a tricky thing.) so really it's not hard to understand what's going on with this guy. he's just not good at signaling.

"pitchfork reviews reviews rationale"
http://www.pitchforkreviewsreviews.com/post/448812178/pitchfork-reviews-reviews-rationale

"anyway i read the reviews on the subway today and sean fennessey’s Queens of the Stone Age review was magical, impassioned and convincing and comprehensible. Pitchfork reviews are better when they’re counterintuitive and feel like they have to prove soemthing. who knew Pitchfork was gonna pull that record out of their bag of popist tricks you know?"

i really can't decide what's the most wtf thing about this.

i'm totally thinking about starting Alternative Press Reviews Reviews and just basing a whole site around the 60 reviews in some back issue from 1996 that i may still have in a box somewhere around here

I can't fathom writing that much to answer why I decided to write reviews of music reviews

like, he could have just said "I am totally fucking crazy ;-)" and called it a day

in the spirit of horsing around, i’m gonna be reviewing my own entries after i write them. but i’ll post the scores at the top so you don’t have to read the entries but you will know what entries are good. except for this entry, which gets an 8.2 but NOT A COVETED BEST NEW ENTRY due to some unforeseen gaps in my logic and grammatical tense errors that may be addressed by commenters. but i have a feeling that the reissue of the entry which i will post in a few months will get a 10.0 for influencing so many of my other entries.

this is quite a site

i think it's pretty telling that he listed "comprehensible" fourth behind "magical", "impassioned" and "convincing"

haha it depresses me on some level that this kid has been written up in both the times AND the post in part for commenting on my work.

depresses, confuses, angers. as much pity and contempt i have for this kid, i have even more for any writers who pitched a feature on him and any editors who commissioned it, because they should know better, due to not having any mental problems

in the spirit of horsing around,

ksh, here's his rationale:

so anyway the problem in pitchfork’s (or any single cultural critic’s) hegemony wouldn’t make me mad enough to start a blog about it and think about it constantly except A) they’re wrong a lot and B) there’s no way for you to tell them that. it’s ironic that a website built on the notion of the fundamental validity and necessity of criticizing other peoples’ work has no forum for you to criticize its work. right?

So the question is: Why would someone think that a) It's important about a music review website being 'wrong,' and more importantly, b) Why would he think that other people would care? There's a huge signaling problem going on. He thinks that he's doing something (maybe taking an important position that's not actually important, or a compelling position that doesn't actually compel anyone) but it's not being received the way he thinks it is. He's confused about how important this thing actually is, probably because he's confused about stuff like taste/class/hipness/etc.

i think you're wrong about the last part

part b

You think people do care?

I get the sense this dude is also confused about things like underwear, showering, and the social unacceptability of peeling cats

You think people do care?

― Mordy, Friday, August 6, 2010 3:01 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark

there are definitely people who do care, yes

i wonder if this guy goes to a party and a cute guy/gal says, "I really like X album," and instead of nodding or smiling or whatever starts to pontificate in the middle of the party why X album is inferior to Y album and everyone starts edging away towards the door

probably

the real problem is that his posts aren't speaking truth to power so much as mass-blowing the pitchfork staff on the daily

Mordy:

okay so like sometimes, when you’re seeing a girl and she gets mad at you because all you talk about is reissues with insane packaging and how much harder it is to live in this world now that mininova and bolachas are both gone and what you think is gonna be best new music this week, she’ll say something that she really wants to make feel like a knife through the heart like “you only hear about all the music you like from pitchfork!” implying that you’re not a real head, that anyone can just read pitchfork and find out about the music you do, that you don’t even really have to go that deep into the site to find out about a lot of obscure music that hundreds of thousands of other people are listening to at that moment and that maybe even the wall street journal is writing a feature article about.

i can't imagine he's the party sort

you're taking a big leap of faith w/r/t him getting invited to parties

oh god i never thought about it but it makes total sense that this guy is one of those people who thinks it's SO WRONG and UNFAIR that Pitchfork doesn't have a comments box

didn't make it to the end of that post where he talks about his site's rationale, but as far as I can tell he just thinks it's a venue for him to write about P4k, since P4k (rightfully, in my opinion) doesn't provide its readers with a space for commenting on their stuff on their own site

I know people like this guy -- they know nothing about books, jokes, or making out, they just wanna go to indie shows and feel Part Of It. One of the problems with the theory of evolution is my disappointment that every generation has its hippies.

this is like taxi driver but instead of buying cybill sheperd a kristofferson album he buys her a wavves cd

okay so like sometimes, when you’re seeing a girl and she gets mad at you because all you talk about is reissues with insane packaging

da fuck does he know about packages?

He should just hang out on ILX and post long posts about the p4k hegemony. Really speculating about reviews on ILM is the only context in 2010 that I can imagine where it's not totally weird to be discussing p4k with that much seriousness.

it's not so much the seriousness that's the problem, though, but the comprehensive obsessiveness -- e reviews every review

which means he reads every single review

The post about interviewing Wavves is kind of embarrassing in how much it reveals his youth and self-consciousness: first that he purposefully buys new clothes on the way to the interview so Wavves won't think he's uncool, then the degree of awestruck wonder when he sees the band ("in their natural habitat"!) and the venue up close, and then the crushing disappointment when the shroud of Cultural Importance he's bestowed upon them (via Pitchfork no doubt) drops to reveal that they're just stoned goofballs who play music.

thought it was super O_O that he asked the band how much money they make

yikes

I'm just glad there wasn't a coda about him scooping their eyes out of their severed heads with a soup spoon and dejectedly slurping them up

yeah I finally went to this site and it's just kinda sad and innocent

this is, like, one of the craziest things i've ever seen. it almost seems fake.

re: the innocence and naivete, it kinda blows my mind that he lives in nyc and not in some small town.

i mean, dude, spending enough time in a bathroom stall to type a multiple paragraph review of pitchfork reviews at WORK? and then worrying about losing your job? if i were him, i'd worry more about me finding him and slapping the living shit out of him.

hang on what, re: the wavves interview, a professional journalist actually let this kid sit in on the interview?!

the real problem is that his posts aren't speaking truth to power so much as mass-blowing the pitchfork staff on the daily

at least it's kinda sweet how much he cares about music writing, but otm

lex, I think the journalist was his friend

re: the innocence and naivete, it kinda blows my mind that he lives in nyc and not in some small town.

Totally.

Is this really that crazy? I think it's just a transparent grab at publicity and it has worked. The author is clearly one of the countless New York indie rock fans who thinks they have something unique/interesting to add to the already full to bursting world of music crit, he's just better at branding and conceptualizing. It's such an obvious idea I'm surprised it took this long to become a website. There is a potential "this guy" working a low-level corporate job in every office building in Manhattan.

oh come on, NYC is large but it's not like living there REQUIRES you to be worldly

maybe im reading into it something that isnt there but i dont nec take him as 100% naive, indie kid...the style seems too aware of itself like it's affecting that persona for the effect

im dont really get the "embarassed for him" or that he doesnt understand culture/hipness

his posting frequency and style of writing is largely crazy, yes

i think johnny is also otm

you think he's playing into some sort of a persona? no way

it's like when people thought I was a sock when I started posting here last year. I wasn't playing into a persona, I was just pretty naive

So now we're suggesting that this is performance art where he's a worldly ironic dude who is affecting the voice and persona of a naive indie music fan?

ksh otm. no way this is just a persona. (except in the sense that everything is a persona - lol Goffman, but I think he thinks he's presenting a different persona than he actually is -- that's the mismatch)

actually on second thought this blog could probably only be written by a kid in nyc

this is a calculated publicity grab like wesley willis' career was a calculated attempted at working his way onto kylie minogue's songwriting team

yea not performance art but just, you know, being hyper-aware of like hipster runoff, etc and the shit that comes w/ being wrapped up in p4k "culture"...like hes embraced all the stereotypes that go along w/ it & amplified them in his writing

oh come on, NYC is large but it's not like living there REQUIRES you to be worldly

I agree, but it would just make a lot more sense if he was this kid in Dubuque for whom Pitchfork represented a bright, shining beacon of culture.

wait can we all agree that this person should be destroyed.

yeah johnny, idk, i think you're misreading it completely

there is nothing ironic about this venture from what i can tell, tho Poe's Law is in affect

This kid writes as if he lived in the house where Winter's Bone is set.

so anyway the reason i’m reading Master of Reality is that i stopped reading Our Band Could Be Your Life for the moment because i carry a tote bag and the book is really heavy so it makes me hunch over in one direction and i don’t wanna get adult-onset scoliosis, and i guess i’ll pick it back up when i get a backpack, but for now i’m reading 33 1/3 books because they’re light.

you know, I don't necessarily think it's a problem that he's doing this blog. he's, what, 22? if he's still doing this in a year or two, sure, he'll definitely need an intervention, but as of right now he's basically just some kid "critically" & enthusiastically engaging with music writing, albeit in a really obsessive way

someone should tell him, though, that he doesn't want to become permanently known as "dude who spends all his time thinking and writing about one indie music website." if writing about music is already seen (perhaps unfairly) as somewhat lesser than actually playing music, writing about other people's writing about music way more than you write about music yourself is really down on the scale of things worth spending your time doing

i agree that it's a total and complete embracing of taboos and stereotypes, not naivete -- i never read the latter into it at all

also i think he's crazy

how heavy could that book possibly be...?

if I were as crazy as he was, I'd start reading through his posts looking for quotes to make an argument that he's tonally not ironically distanced from his own naivete. but my interest in him only extends to talking shit about him on ILX and mocking his dreams of being a famous indie review site reviewer. so maybe it's ironic! i don't have the interest to really do any investigative textual work about it, lol.

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this is, like, one of the craziest things i've ever seen. it almost seems fake.

― pounding beats of worship (the table is the table), Friday, 6 August 2010 19:12 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Is it just me that thinks the tone and cadence of his writing is incredibly Holden Caulfield-ish?

there was an entry where he was writing about how he was talking to a stripper and he explicitly referenced Catcher in the Rye

that being said, no idea -- haven't read that novel in years

i never went through a hard rock/metal phase in high school that i think a lot of kids go through where they read guitar magazines and wear hard rock t-shirts, and i’m sort of sad i missed it because it seems really formative, you know? yesterday i was at a museum opening and i told Elizabeth that i spent all afternoon listening to Black Sabbath and it was changing me because i was getting in touch with the beast and she giggled but this record gets me so pumped up, you know what i mean? then i pulled her aside and showed her my air guitar and my hard rock face which isn’t as menacing and tough as a lot of peoples’ hard rock faces but i’m still working on it

painfully, painfully earnest

painfully, painfully earnest

Reads more like a Tao Lin IRL sockpuppet to me. Painfully, painfully self-aware.

I am making my "why did I read that" face right now

http://www.pitchforkreviewsreviews.com/post/913814425/black-sabbath-and-rick-ross-interviewed-ed-droste-the#disqus_thread

can't we just invite this kid to post here and get it over with

we would drive him to suicide in like a week

he "liked" one of my tumblr posts

can't we just invite this kid to post here and get it over with

Yeah, actually, the posts I've read make it seem like he just kind of goes around annoying his friends, acquaintances, and various indie-level celebrities by obsessively talking about Pitchfork and all of his ~deep thoughts~ about music -- so in a way, I wonder if wouldn't just be more productive for him to be on a message board!

we would drive him to suicide in like a week

― people are for loving (HI DERE), Friday, August 6, 2010

dan we have said this about SO many people over the years and they are all still here.

i think i can relate to this guy in a way. i was pretty absorbed when i first discovered the site (pitchfork not prr obv), but whereas my attraction was counterbalanced with feelings of shame and guilt related to the site's reputation irl society, he is just totally shameless and letting it all out in what seems like a pretty deep and weirdly emotional & honest public diary

someone should tell him, though, that he doesn't want to become permanently known as "dude who spends all his time thinking and writing about one indie music website."

I'm not convinced that he *only* reads Pfork; he says, for example:

Ian Cohen’s Teflon Don review is precluded from being revelatory because so much quality stuff has been written about Teflon Don already, but it is a fantastic synthesis of the discussion about the record and it’s written succinctly and intuitively.

Doesn't that imply that even though his site focuses on Pfork, he's got a pretty well-rounded reading list going?

this is just what it's going to be like from now, with those millennials, isn't it

I like that he hesitated about interviewing Ed Droste not out of concern for Droste's right to privacy or anything but because he didn't want the inevitable subsequent blog post to seem gimmicky.

also if anyone has ever read the blog stereogum it's like basically the same thing. i would bet money this dude was p prolific regular poster in their comments section before this started

also please don't invite him to post on ilx

in the NYT feature, he apparently wouldn't give his surname because he didn't want his day job to find out, but he did consent to a photo o_0

lol

xp to jaymc

he "liked" one of my tumblr posts

― max, Friday, August 6, 2010 4:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

welcome to the club homie

xp lex
yeah, I found that very odd. Everyone reads the NYT, no?

he is just totally shameless and letting it all out in what seems like a pretty deep and weirdly emotional & honest public diary

yeah i was wondering how to put this, but it really reminds me of those people who assumed the internet was a "private" place and would put all manner of TMI/shameful shit out there, and whose IRL/internet crossover was basically nil, which is the case for so few people now and surely not him?

I'm not convinced that he *only* reads Pfork

feel somewhat obligated to point out that you introduced the concept of him exclusively reading Pitchfork in your rebuttal of the idea that that is all he reads and that the incredibly loltastic paragraph about him being afraid a 500 page book is going to give him adult-onset scoliosis conclusively proves he reads other things

i'm pretty sure that he reads, like, the village voice and shit -- not that crazy of an idea

ilxor, only reading music sites or books somehow related to music does not a well-rounded reading list make.

that and stronghulkingtonsghost, yes this is the way it's going to be. which makes me want to puke/

ilxor, only reading music sites or books somehow related to music does not a well-rounded reading list make.

can't be repeated enough

someone should just give this guy a really long hug and whisper "shhhh it's okay everything's going to be okay" into his ear

THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN TOLD TO HIM HIS ENTIRE FUCKING PATHETIC EXISTENCE.

HE NEEDS TO BE PUNCHED FUCKING HARD WITH A COPY OF ANNA KARENINA

y'all need to relax and give a kid a break

in his legs, you mean.

someone should tell him, though, that he doesn't want to become permanently known as "dude who spends all his time thinking and writing about one indie music website."

Ian Cohen’s Teflon Don review is precluded from being revelatory because so much quality stuff has been written about Teflon Don already, but it is a fantastic synthesis of the discussion about the record and it’s written succinctly and intuitively.

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, August 6, 2010 9:03 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

loooool

http://i30.tinypic.com/vzde6c.jpg

in his legs, you mean.

nah, I'm inclined to be way more forgiving of youthful earnestness and naivete than I am of callow cynicism a la Hipsterrunoff.

ftr i think whoever's behind hipsterrunoff also needs his legs broken

I tend to want to lock both of them in a box and toss them into a river

i just want to see prr dude interview carles

ilxor, only reading music sites or books somehow related to music does not a well-rounded reading list make.

Didn't at all mean to suggest this, btw.

I invited him FYI

What's to say he isn't already posting here under some random name, and not in this thread?

because if he were he'd be all "hey guys I'm the PRR dude what's up!"

guys, I think ilxor is trying to tell us something

http://wuyausu.com/wallpaper/disguise.jpg

because if he were he'd be all "hey guys I'm the PRR dude what's up!"

I think you have him confused with Michael Steele

y'all need to relax and give a kid a break

― Party Car! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, August 6, 2010 3:18 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm, when shakey is the voice of moderation its telling

imo "writes like his age" shouldn't be an excuse or explanation applied to anyone over, like, 20 -- if you're an adult you should write like an adult, after a certain point precocious naif shit is either an act or just plain sad.

― some dude, Friday, August 6, 2010 1:16 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean, kind of arbitrary dont u think? the vitriol from actual adults in this thread is silly. i mean, i think hes a lame writer & the times coverage is super-LOL. but like, all this nonsense about breaking dudes legs for being a not-good 22 yr old writer with a blog is kinda silly

guys, I think ilxor is trying to tell us something

ilxor, are you saying something?

i think you're saying something!

If I even had the free time to write huge, sprawling blog entries about Pitchfork every day, then I'd spend that time doing something else... hah.

glad to see we all thought so hard about this kid today!!

Hahaha I've seen other blogs devoted to writing about other people's record reviews that are far scarier and more batshit than this guy's.

Did anyone here ever read that "Stop Loving Everything" blog? I don't think it really gets updated much anymore. That wasn't explicitly about Pitchfork but that guy spent a LOT of time being snarky about pfork / obsessing about Pitchfork in order to be snarky about it. For whatever it's worth, PRR is more engaging.

My sense is that the guy started in a purely earnest place, but once he got a ton of followers and was written up on the Observer, Post, and Times, he started playing up his own schtick. It's not "purely" earnest any more. Like, he's in his Neon Bible phase.

http://www.pitchforkreviewsreviews.com/post/919066049/haiku-series-about-lil-waynes-blunt-endorsement

Got this in my Twitter feed today

http://predictfork.com/

Guessing Pitchfork meta-commentary is the new commentary?

Here's your chance to see PRR guy in the flesh:

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/events/readings/refresh-refresh-refresh-happy-ending

I can imagine attending that would be a little more edifying, and a little less creepy and awkward, then the time my friend & I went to a John Birch Society meeting, but only just barely.

this thread is like a treasure trove of hilarious ott exaggeration!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9MA0eW8yyw

oops, wrong thread!

works fine here.

Can we get lex a complimentary front-row ticket to see Mr. PRR speaking in the flesh?? PLEASE

at this point i'm only clicking on this thread for the 10% chance that he's finally posted in it

hilarious ott exaggeration!

― elephant rob, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:30 (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

speaking of obsessive weirdoes who might have been expected to post in this...

http://predictfork.com

Got this in my Twitter feed today

http://predictfork.com/

Guessing Pitchfork meta-commentary is the new commentary?

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 9 August 2010 13:38 (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://twitter.com/predictfork

958 Following 95 Followers

looks like they annoyingly followed an insane amount of ppl to try to get attention

sorry d00ds, but i dont think lindsay lohan cares about p4k scores too much

The only thing worse than obsessively reviewing everything Pitchfork does is obsessively trying to predict what Pitchfork will do.

marinating a live cat is worse than both

sour orange and garlic powder help.

Marinating Joanna Newsom

update: this week i am not posting every day or doing the morning roundup. in that new David Foster Wallace interview book, David Foster Wallace explains that he is a TV addict and so he watches too much TV and then after he finishes watching TV he feels sad but he doesn’t know why, and that is how i feel reading everything on pitchfork every day, like every afternoon after i finish reading all the reviews and writing about them i feel sad, so i need to take a few days to not read everything on pitchfork and then this blog will be better because i’ll be enjoying it again

ok, this kid isnt real

he's real enough to answer e-mails

yeah i heard you can't get an e-mail account these days without a social security # and biweekly home inspections

love this guy

perpetua said: All the activities you do, I sometimes wonder if you’re starring in some kind of reality show that will air sometime early next year.

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/events/readings/refresh-refresh-refresh-happy-ending

someone who lives near this thing needs to go & report back

also this review is smug too but not Smuggest New
also this review is smug too but not Smuggest New
also this review is smug too but not Smuggest New
also this review is smug too but not Smuggest New
also this review is smug too but not Smuggest New
also this review is smug too but not Smuggest New
also this review is smug too but not Smuggest New
also this review is smug too but not Smuggest New

i passed a man wearing a shirt that said LIFE IS TOO SHORT FOR BAD WINE and that’s how i feel except replace “bad wine” with “smug pitchfork reviews”
i passed a man wearing a shirt that said LIFE IS TOO SHORT FOR BAD WINE and that’s how i feel except replace “bad wine” with “smug pitchfork reviews”
i passed a man wearing a shirt that said LIFE IS TOO SHORT FOR BAD WINE and that’s how i feel except replace “bad wine” with “smug pitchfork reviews”
i passed a man wearing a shirt that said LIFE IS TOO SHORT FOR BAD WINE and that’s how i feel except replace “bad wine” with “smug pitchfork reviews”i passed a man wearing a shirt that said LIFE IS TOO SHORT FOR BAD WINE and that’s how i feel except replace “bad wine” with “smug pitchfork reviews”

i will pour a little out for dude when i am smugly drinking whatever the payment for that review affords.

this guy is functionally retarded

wife went to that reading (a pal was also on the line-up), said dude was "really earnest"

i'm shocked, just shocked!

my dad used to have a "LIFE IS TOO SHORT FOR BAD WINE" t-shirt

what i don't get is that i took a big steaming dump on zero 7 the other day and dude flipped in the good way. yet i get a throw a little lazy snark at isis and life's too short?

oh god i've fallen down the rabbit hole of trying to figure out the p.r.r. guy.

it's very easy to figure out

1. take someone incredibly stupid, or someone who can accurately portray someone incredibly stupid
2. give him a blog
3. PROFIT

It's not "purely" earnest any more. Like, he's in his Neon Bible phase.

― scott pgwp (pgwp), Saturday, August 7, 2010 10:24 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark

http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.posterous.com/killermelons/pyoCcT4ZPl0HgDRPCJw5OVbgyxZ204WhsM6pYLivi0DOiD5fFx2BoQ3DgKm5/image001.png?AWSAccessKeyId=1C9REJR1EMRZ83Q7QRG2&Expires=1282085572&Signature=vTPxjvglw7ZL0FImuxymCQc%2BKzs%3D

oh for days of the dot.com boom...

okay so when i was in high school i was visiting family friends in california with my mom and they had a home video of me from when i was like six years old and i was at the zoo, and i am walking around on a leash with a little harness around my torso, i guess because i am an only child and my parents didn’t really have experience dealing with kids and i was in the habit of talking to strangers and my parents needed to keep me close in public so i wouldn’t get kidnapped

^solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of pitchfork reviews reviews

i guess because i am an only child and my parents didn’t really have experience dealing with kids and i was in the habit of talking to strangers and my parents needed to keep me close in public so i wouldn’t get kidnapped

my mom still does this with me.

i'm 42.

haaaaa

http://ripfork.com/2010/08/jess-harvells-review-of-isismelvins-split-by-isis-and-the-melvins/

i almost don't want anyone to tell this guy i'm not a chick. also there are a couple sentences in there that i could REALLY use some help in parsing.

i don't understand that post or why these people are acting like you're the first guy to call isis boring.

whenever i read that ripfork site, especially the grammar grammar critiques and the stuff where this guy unashamedly complains about writers using "big" words unfamiliar to him, i can't help but think of that line from dfw's updike takedown about how it "ends up being embarrassing in the special way something pretentious is embarrassing when it's also wrong."

then mike introduced me to one of the male DJs, he was wearing a purple sparkly American Apparel backpack, and i asked him if i could ask him some questions for my blog and he said yes and i say “what music do you listen to when you’re sad?” and he instantly said “morrissey” and elizabeth whispered “obvious” to me because it was her question and i think she was looking for a less predictable answer. i asked what kind of drugs he did and he said “i’ve never done drugs” and smirked, and then he was like “actually, i do b12!” and he takes a little bottle of b12 out of his backpack and draws some liquid from the bottle with an eyedropper that was attached to the cap and squirts it into his mouth

then i asked him what the going rate was to hire the MisShapes for a night and he said he didn’t talk about money and i said “god, no drugs, no money, you guys are lame” and he laughed and i go, “what’s the craziest night of your life?” and he thought about it for a second and then said “it was this new year’s eve i guess?…” and he pauses and goes, “okay actually i’m lying, i DO do drugs, on new years i ate some quackabees and then took a nice little tour of the city and didn’t get back until the morning.” i don’t know what quackabees are or if i even heard him correctly but i didn’t wanna ask him for clarification on drug slang and look like a herb so i just assumed it was some long-lasting stimulant and kept my mouth shut. then i thanked him and went to try to track down the hors d’oeuvres

Leaving aside their respective turn of phrase, I think what the Ripfork guy does with his time is (not really even being flippant here) more indicative of actual mental instability than the PRR kid - in that he composes long, detailed, regular takedowns of people working in a medium that he appears to have no interest in at all

i'd say the problem is just the opposite: he's got FAR too much interest in it.

#2 by Dave Ohno on August 18, 2010 - 10:59 am

I went to Sunday School with Jessica – I think she matriculated at UM – College Park, but that’s the last I heard from her. Do you know how I can get in touch?

^lawl

okay actual lolz.

xp yeah in a sense but he actually seems to be disgusted that there is such a thing as music journalism, and chooses to express this through long, detailed etc etc... I'm not a believer in the 'no such thing as bad publicity' canard but he spends a thousand words zinging, like, writers from Drowned in Sound on about their fourth review :/

well wasn't he kicking around the ass-end of online music sites for a while and then decided to stick it to the man? i'm not trying to be all "lol u failed and now u mad" but uh...seems pretty obvious.

i'd say the problem is just the opposite: he's got FAR too much interest in it.

― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:01 AM

^^^ 100% otm

"lol u failed and now u mad" <-- should more or less be that sites tagline

xp (again) that's why he strikes me as basically a headcase - you got some stuff printed online, decided that the whole gig was a bit boring and silly, no problem w/ that - why then spend hours and HOURS picking apart ppl half of whom are barely higher up the ladder than you were? Wait don't tell me I know this one

see, thats the thing. with prr, you can chalk it all up to youthful enthusiasm, and its all good pretty much, even if the kid does go overboard at times. plus, his writing can be interesting, so theres that. with ripfork, which i dont read, the dude just comes off as kinda off, and the entire raison detre for his site is just 'lol music critics'

failed music writer jealous of working music writers, some of whom are working for highly visible, reputable publications

basically a headcase - you got some stuff printed online, decided that the whole gig was a bit boring and silly, no problem w/ that - why then spend hours and HOURS picking apart ppl half of whom are barely higher up the ladder than you were?

hey some of our best posters resemble this remark

gotta get my hands on some quackabees

then he was like “actually, i do b12!” and he takes a little bottle of b12 out of his backpack and draws some liquid from the bottle with an eyedropper that was attached to the cap and squirts it into his mouth

i am really loving imagining this moment, the announcement followed by the totally wordless ritual which everyone stands and watches in awe

when oh when is predictfork gonna drop?

OK DUDE'S, WHAT THE

http://www.pitchforkreviewsreviews.com/post/1043570259/getting-my-lil-wayne-tattoo

I just skimmed that, but . . .

can someone read that whole thing & tell me if that's really his tattoo, 'cause I think it is

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l815kdFZYO1qb52lo.jpg

Shut the fuck up you retards.

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARDS

*REVS MOTORCYCLE*

kind of lol but mostly sad

like yesterday i was walking past Ground Zero and i have been watching the building there rise as it is being built because i work near it, and Wayne says on that same song i just quoted, “switchin up my flows like a nigga do construction” and i never understood it after 3 years of listening and like 400 itunes plays but then as i was walking past Ground Zero i realized he is saying flows and also floors with a southern accent, like a construction worker builds the floors of a building!!

Ott clearly wishes he could write like this.

ott has a point tbh

He does?

theres a wry ott goin on

― ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, March 1, 2006

why do you guys keep posting the biter version of my original joke?

we should take this subject seriously, find out who this guy's girlfriend is, and pick a fight with her

But I heard he and Ryan broke up?

I predict a wry Ott.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, March 1, 2006

There ya go, Whiney; credit where it is due.

lol omar

white wry ott
i wanna wry ott

Paramore - Wry Ott!

Wra Wra Wry Ott!

http://www.hofcraft.com/images/Ott-logo.gif

what is happening in this thread?

we're talking about yr Wayne tattoo d00d

in my defense, i was drunk that night and regretted it in the AM.

\(^o^)/

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Sea_otter_cropped.jpg

awwwter

Would that make this one an AAAAHHHHH!!-tter?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JpJR_J-5GyQ/SoRAoKfe31I/AAAAAAAADiE/f3SvC9XFW9w/s400/mean+otter.jpg

hahaha

and then i walked back to my apartment in bushwick over the bridge and someone sent me an email that had a link to a thread on a music message board about my Lil Wayne tattoo and at first i couldn’t bear to read it because why would people be anything other than mean about stuff on the internet. but then i couldn’t stop myself and i clicked it and read some of the entries and as i walked into Brooklyn off the bridge i got a 50 cent bag of pretzels from a deli and put on Casimir Pulaski Day by Sufjan Stevens on my iPod and sat on the curb outside the deli crying and picking the pieces of salt off the pretzels because i don’t want to eat that much salt because it is bad for your heart and makes you feel bloated

so to people who wrote nasty things about my tattoo or blog on the internet, i want to give you the same opportunity for schadenfreude that danny moving home gave me and i hope you got what you wanted out of writing what you wrote. i am not saying this so you will feel bad for me, i am beyond aware that there are greater tragedies to feel bad about than some kid getting upset about stuff some random people wrote about him on the internet and i will get over it hopefully by the end of the week

but you should also know that if you think the mean things you write about people on the internet would not bother them or have any impact on them because a certain amount of people read their blog or listen to their band or read their book or watch the films they direct, i want you to think about how vividly you remember the mean things people have said about you versus how vividly you remember the nice things, and how much those have affected you and lingered in your consciousness relative to one another

and it is also worth considering the next time you are tempted to write “____ is the worst band on earth, they have the worst lyrics and the music makes me want to vomit and their ideas are retarded and i hate them” or something in that vein. and i know i write criticism criticism and sometimes it has to be negative but i am doing my best to be civil about it and i recognize that some pitchfork writer’s bad idea or set of bad ideas does not make them a bad writer or an idiot. i also have written mean stuff about people on the internet in my day, but i am not doing that anymore because i want to be proud of how i live and the things i do and say, and the times i wrote mean stuff about people on the internet have not been moments i can look back on and be proud of

and i know this blog has had whatever exposure and everyone tells me to grow a thicker skin because some people are bound to hate it and some of it is corny, but in the way that i couldn’t just not feel bad about my friend sleeping with my girlfriend, i can’t just be like “i will decide to not let this message board bother me and then it won’t bother me” and if you can do that you are probably a monk with crazy mind control, and if you act like the people you are writing about can do that you are living in an emotional internet fantasy world. i also know that admitting a message board made me cry is embarrassing but i can’t imagine i was anyone’s model of stoic masculinity before this post anyway so there’s no great loss in that i think

so anyway i don’t want PRR to be a sad blog but some days you just feel sad and you can’t just command yourself to be happy, so hopefully tomorrow will be better than today and this blog will reflect that too, i hope you understand

:-( :-( :-( :-(

So the question is... is he referring to ILX?

prob yes

hmm well ilx is in the top 10 results for the search "pitchfork reviews reviews" lil wayne

poor kid

that tattoo is awesome btw imo

Yep, I like the tattoo!

We really didn't make fun of the tattoo at all, it turned into an Ott-fest instead.

my response was pretty much smh, dude's gonna regret this tbh

inspired me to get BURR inside my own lip

huge bummer if this is the thread he's referring to

which it probably is

kid is the best damn music writer i have read in ages and i am crazy crazy jealous, like knowing what truman capote was up to his teens & 20s level jealous. just for the record.

^ primarily why i have refrained from saying anything about him up to this point

how old is he?

your age i think

i think he's like 22?

i might've just made that up

he's a little older than that i think

he thinks a lot

truman capote?

not "too much" necessarily but

maybe he should think... less

contenderizer = truman catrolly

reading the part I quoted above was really, really depressing -- like, I don't want my stupid, tossed-off shit on ILX to hurt some super sincere kid

ksh, you should know that super sincere kids that have been abused by stupid, tossed-off shit on ilx are more likely to be offenders themselves

it's not your fault

markers, is def a better man than I

i dunno. he talks about reading michael moore's stupid white men at age 14, and that came out in 2002, so 22 max, probably less than that

Sarge, I'm gonna assume yr kidding

he reminds me of a more earnest burt_stanton sometimes

i was making a child abuse joke

everything i've learned i know from law and order: svu

"show me where the anonymous commenter touched you"

i am not even trolling at all, j0rdan. i just really like reading his writing, in all sincerity. have been meaning to say that since reading lil wayne post, like what, two days ago? but did not, so i will say it now in the wake of grievous internet-based emotional traumas. kid is a good writer.

no

but yes. and he's got nothing in common w burt fucking stanton. level of sincerity, insight, writing chops and real-life sense construction i honestly admire.

like if this "internet project" were just a screen for a novel, it would a good novel and i would want to read it.

its not "burt fucking stanton" its "burt_stanton" and i wasnt comparing their sincerity or whatever i was comparing their anxiety disorders

stand corrected

how old is he?

― max,

your age i think

― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.)

lol

idk i wasn't zingin or anything \(o_O)/

i could've said my age

i would love to see this kid write a book report on finnegan's wake

he is max years old

writing chops and real-life sense construction

I like reading his stuff too, but no way, man.

I mean, he writes horrible fucking sentences. They are energetic, unconscious paragraphs, which are fun to read (because his enthusiasm and earnestness are so wholly on display) but are still arranged like shit.

kid is the best damn music writer i have read in ages and i am crazy crazy jealous, like knowing what truman capote was up to his teens & 20s level jealous. just for the record.

― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:21 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

ok i was gonna post 'lol' here but then

i am not even trolling at all, j0rdan. i just really like reading his writing, in all sincerity. have been meaning to say that since reading lil wayne post, like what, two days ago? but did not, so i will say it now in the wake of grievous internet-based emotional traumas. kid is a good writer.

― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:34 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

WTF

i generally think you have pretty bad judgement but this...

So the question is... is he referring to ILX?

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, September 2, 2010 5:10 AM (2 hours ago)

thing is tho the prr dude thinks people are calling him out even when they're not sometimes? (there was a bit on t ewing's tumblr recently where he sent in a qn that was like 'that one time you talked about people who find this thing confusing did you secretly mean me?? tell me, i can take it!') and so maybe it sounds callous or w/e but i don't see any way he could have not been hurt by just being talked about, he seems like a person who's guaranteed to take any negative comment hard. the thing is that his touchiness is part of the same sensitivity that makes him so worth reading, the hyper-attention to nuance, the filter on his thoughts that doesn't quite work as you'd expect, the sincerity and straightforwardness.

also i know this sounds appallingly callous but... that's such a good description of the confused angry/ashamed when you let yrself get upset by meanness on the internet, i am spending rather more time thinking 'oh, evocative' and rather less going 'oh, poor guy'.

idk who is crazier, the dude himself or people who read it on the reg... 'so worth reading'? rly? you've read everything else?

back of a cereal box - 'so worth reading'

'so worth reading'? rly? you've read everything else?

wtf does this even mean?

i thought his blog was going to be awful and embarrassing and instead it was really fascinating - the way he writes is curious and evocative, i really enjoy it, though i don't understand any of the pitchfork stuff.

'so worth reading'? rly? you've read everything else?

wtf does this even mean?

i guess it means life's too effing short to read pitchfork reviews reviews

the thing is that his touchiness is part of the same sensitivity that makes him so worth reading, the hyper-attention to nuance, the filter on his thoughts that doesn't quite work as you'd expect, the sincerity and straightforwardness.

take a polaroid, the internet now resets itself every 15 mins.

www.diaryland.com

well, okay, i have bad judgment or whatever, but the vast (vast) majority of music writing is unreadable and borderline meaningless, on a human/emotional level. the simple regurgitation of attitudes and half baked observations copped elsewhere. this is especially true of what passes for writing on the internet, my own included, if you insist. but it's not true of PRR dude. his writing is smart, vibrant, evocative (C#M), emotionally resonant and distinctive. i can't say i read him regularly, cuz i haven't bothered with him until a few days ago, but what i have read in that short time has been pretty fucking remarkable. yeah, it's "voice writing" of a sort, therefore sometimes lazy-seeming ("energetic, unconscious"), but i deny that his ideas are "arranged like shit". i think his pieces flow and communicate extremely well. like, shockingly well.

again, i haven't read his work very deeply, but his list of "posts i am proud of" contains some damn fine (yeah, often unconscious-seeming) writing. as does the awesome lil wayne story. and fine, i'm some nerd thinking uncool shit is cool, but whatever. i do.

his writing is smart, vibrant, evocative (C#M), emotionally resonant and distinctive.

no no no no no

but yeah. it really is. if you think there's vastly better music blog writing out there, i'd really and truly like to see it.

you mean other than the alt report?

carles is the worst

glad all of this is 100% real

"

"

are yall on #teamcarles or #teampitchforkreviewsreviews?

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I'd rather read 800 post long Whiney/deej butthurtfests than either of these tbh

well, you know how to live

so what happened in that cee-lo thread?

ha

put on Casimir Pulaski Day by Sufjan Stevens on my iPod

this is the tipoff that the whole thing was a giant wind up, right?

who listens to sufjans stevans in 2010 without a trace of irony?

put on Casimir Pulaski Day by Sufjan Stevens on my iPod

tbh, i did wonder...

that is a very interesting question, d, which i feel only someone who lives in "normal people world" like Whiney or Max is capable of answering.

that is true - I am going to start a log of how many times a day I see someone listening to sufjan stevens on their ipod

i just think it must be very difficult to be PRR guy or carles - they seem to have so many more problems than i think is healthy or, er, normal?

whoa how did i get dragged into normal people world

i thought it was filmed at your college, or something?

generic

dude, why are so butthurt about that?

i think i'm going to eat pretzels and read a magazine. maybe i'll have some ice cream with strawberries.

idk if prr guy has been granted the gift of self-knowledge

if it is a put-on then well played i guess? but there are too few laughs along the way

Can someone give me an example of a smug Pitchfork review....I don't always agree with them but I don't find them particularly offensive. It's not like they are trying to run my life or something.

why does he pick the salt off the pretzels - that's like the best part?

yes but no, pretzel salt can be a challenge. i always wipe off like half the salt. if it doesn't really want to cling to the pretzel matter, it shouldn't be there.

those are some substandard pretzels imo

should be beaten over the head with a copy of ANNA KARENINA IMO

why doesn't he just eat some bread if he's going to cretinise his pretzels like that

pretzels are not just bread though. they are more like anorexic bagels. different in kind.

why does he pick the salt off the pretzels - that's like the best part?

― sarahel, Thursday, September 2, 2010 10:28 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

he addresses this directly:

because i don’t want to eat that much salt because it is bad for your heart and makes you feel bloated

Dude what a fuckin' wuss. You gives a shit what some nobody says about you on the internet. Grow some self esteem, man.

"picking salt off pretzels" pretty much sums up his approach to writing/life

so people who like this, do you still browse for random livejournals too?

has anyone actually claimed to like this other than contenderizer?

I like this, in the sense that it's almost always fascinating to read. As far as his being the brightest young early-20s music writer on the Internet, he's no Theon Weber.

I really liked the post where he details his night at the p4k office party.

so anyway today i took the day off from work to drive this van in the presidential motorcade and i hope that by the end of the day i can ask Barack Obama what his favorite indie rock band is and if he’s familiar with Pitchfork (i know he’s 48 but he’s pretty hip and from Chicago and lived there for years while the festival was going on and before he was president) and i’m gonna ask him what he thinks of it if i can!!!

I hope he did NOT.

has anyone actually claimed to like this other than contenderizer?

I won't go as overboard as contenderizer (mainly because I get made fun on enough already on ILX) but, yeah, I think dude's writing is really evocative. And it has nothing to do w/ being Pfork-related.

It's not necessarily GREAT WRITING but I like that he has his own distinctive voice, and is so full of energy and enthusiasm. Very fun to read, and while the sentences themselves are not brilliantly constructed, I think he does a fine job of really hitting home on his main points in each post. Especially the longer essays, not the Pfork reviews reviews.

i guess it means life's too effing short to read pitchfork reviews reviews

― i am legernd (history mayne)

it's like the worst-case scenario of someone raised on internet and regurgitating their add mind onto the screen

it's like the worst best-case scenario of someone raised on internet and regurgitating their add mind onto the screen

It's not necessarily GREAT WRITING but I like that he has his own distinctive voice, and is so full of energy and enthusiasm. Very fun to read, and while the sentences themselves are not brilliantly constructed, I think he does a fine job of really hitting home on his main points in each post. Especially the longer essays, not the Pfork reviews reviews.

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, September 2, 2010 9:49 AM

^ this

i guess it means life's too effing short to read pitchfork reviews reviews

― i am legernd (history mayne)

― ('_') (omar little), Thursday, September 2, 2010 11:28 AM (6 minutes ago)

^ increasingly feeling like this, though

I think he does a fine job of really hitting home on his main points in each post

not sure about this tbh, but that's just because I mostly skim-read his stuff

either that or I apparently don't retain much of what I read there for the longterm

i mean you guys can enjoy him and consider him to be this important new voice on the scene if you want. some people probably really love jan terri too.

I think he does a fine job of really hitting home on his main points in each post

this is a wacky thing to say because of his run on wordvomit style.

also, how is this guy a "music writer" exactly?

totally not on topic, really, but I've just read one of this guy's post (from a DJ gig in Manhattan) and the dude wrote it on his Blackberry. That's dedication.

read upthread. there's a whole thing about him posting from the loos at work.

Pretty sure he's admitted to writing most of these on the subway/train/whatever via BlackBerry on the way into work.

^

It's not necessarily GREAT WRITING but I like that he has his own distinctive voice, and is so full of energy and enthusiasm. Very fun to read, and while the sentences themselves are not brilliantly constructed, I think he does a fine job of really hitting home on his main points in each post. Especially the longer essays, not the Pfork reviews reviews.

It's compelling, but not good. Like a car crash.

It's too personal, like any other blog. Interesting but it basically reads like a diary. Plus I don't need to read about the President's motorcade and schedule unless it's a press release. Too many weirdos out there.

I think the blog would be better if he stopped posting about Pitchfork reviews and confined his comments about that site to the occasional post, posted less frequently, and edited his stuff a bit more. Not too much more editing, because it's apparent that his off-the-cuff, brain dump, highly enthusiastic and earnest style of writing is a huge part of his appeal. But some editing.

Plus I don't need to read about the President's motorcade and schedule unless it's a press release.

You've gotta be kidding. As much as it's not GOOD WRITING, this PRR shit is infinitely more exciting to read than a White House press release!

just burst out laughing because I realized I probably read his blog more than I read P4k reviews these days u_u

If you were really driving a van in a motorcade (is it that easy?), you should keep your mouth shut. You don't want to give the impression that the president's security is a joke.

Okay, I am working my way through all of this. Anyway, I am horrified that the New York Times and the Washington Post would cover an amateur BLOG. Also the NYT article is really bad, and I'm not a huge Pitchfork defender, I just think they serve their market well. But what an ass the NYT writer is for this:

"Regarding reviews, “there’s definitely a drive to be comprehensive,” he said, though one that’s limited by the interests of the site’s staff and by its vision of its readers’ interests. There’s barely any mainstream rock, country or Latin music and only selective engagement with hip-hop, electronic and world music."

i.e. they're "prejudiced", especially against "Latins".

I am horrified that the New York Times and the Washington Post would cover an amateur BLOG.

why? and i don't think the accusation of racial prejudice is really present in the quote you pulled. it reads more like a snarky but non-condemnatory statement on pitchfork's limited range of interests, relative to the idea that its coverage is "comprehensive" (wherever that comes from).

i.e. they're "prejudiced", especially against "Latins".

― i just like barbecue rib, whatever (u s steel), Friday, September 3, 2010 4:45 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wtf are you talking about

Pitchfork would look foolish to pander to some snotty NYT writer and his very powerful and often biased audience by including, say, 25% Latin music or 40% hip-hop. Selectivity is a better approach and when I look at the front page I DO see some hip-hop and occasionally world music. Pitchfork is not one person and you are unprofessional and a bad writer when you use terms like "limited range of interests". It sounds like a character judgment.

Pitchfork just makes it easier to learn about new independent rock / pop and the latest hip-hop is usually in there.

Character judgments are unprofessional and tiresome. Racism is implied, after all there is a history of critics either implying or outright accusing "indie" of being white and even racist.

I assume that many of us attended college or have even attempted to write professionally, I have attended journalism classes and even thought of being a journalist myself. Describing Pitchfork in the NYT as ignoring Latin releases is implying that they are "too white" or culturally biased. I expect adults to not harass a person just because it isn't literally spelled out. If you are capable of reading the NYT I expect you to have some sophistication with regard to what the writer implies.

Character judgments are unprofessional and tiresome.

max works for gawker fyi so

you are unprofessional and a bad writer when you use terms like "limited range of interests".

i dunno, it strikes me as accurate though, again, somewhat snarky. within acceptable tolerances, though. and pitchfork's coverage of country and latin music really is pretty limited.

then again, i have never attempted to write professionally, attended journalism classes or thought of being a journalist myself, so i'm probably not up to speed.

Yeah, Gawker. Should I be afraid or something? He's still wrong. Saying that pitchfork's coverage of country and latin "is pretty limited" sounds like a character judgment, it is a biased remark. If it were merely on a message board it might be harmless but this was published in the NYT.

you are performing quite a close read on that ny times article

you say you'd prefer something more fair and balanced?

it is a biased remark.

in a newspaper? god forbid!

i hope the nyt's webmaster made clear the article contained views -- or, in this case, verifiable facts -- that not everyone would agree with.

Having taken an actual journalism class, one ought to know that it is expected that the NYT is better than that. Excuse me sir, are you interested in getting into a detailed argument with me here? Because I don't like taking too much space in a message board and I'm sorry about that.

I do think your notion that bias is acceptable in the NYT is, uh, unintelligent. Sorry. Newspapers and their power ought to be taken to task.

By the way I am not intimidated by you and you are forcing me to write too much on this thread. It is sad you don't respect your own readership by explaining your own curious views.

x-post to I am legend, this is not clear, the author writes as if he is objective.

not sure if ur trolling or not

maybe eat an apple, go for a walk. i dunno what timezone you're in.

I would assume that someone who cares enough to defend their view with complete sentences isn't trolling.

Of course I am not trolling, I have an opinion I care about and have thought about.

i for one thank my lucky stars that someone has the courage to take the newspapers to task

man this mahnola dargis review is totally biased

Wow, sarcasm is so respectful. You identify with and defend the NYT without feeling you have to write more than a sentence. That makes you a bully.

Also, when are you going to write a thoughtful remark. You make another insinuation, for someone who loves the NYT so much you sure are thoughtless. I don't "think highly of myself" as having "courage", do you always come to message boards with a chip on your shoulder.

I mean, you do your own opinion a disservice when you refuse to defend your own reaction or engage people like a human being. Why then should I find you convincing. Your style is little better than a high school bully.

this is n/l

where did u come from

umm, if you feel you're being bullied, i seriously envy how little you know about being bullied

is us steel pitchfork reviews reviewsbro?

seems to be nytimes articles reviewsbro

I have attended journalism classes and even thought of being a journalist myself.

^^ needs to reach meme status imo

Excuse me sir, are you interested in getting into a detailed argument with me here? Because I don't like taking too much space in a message board and I'm sorry about that.

actually this is better

like i am sure that you are good people and all, us steel, but you seem to be inferring nefariousness from NYT times which i honestly feel is not there. no offense intended.

Experts Fear Mideast Talks Are Too Ambitious
By ISABEL KERSHNER
Published: September 2, 2010

JERUSALEM — As the Israeli and Palestinian leaders pledged at the peace summit meeting in Washington this week to try to resolve the core issues that have long divided their people and bloodied the land, a growing number of stakeholders here in Israel worried that the two sides were aiming too high.

this is how it's done: EXPERTS fear the talks are too ambitious. me? nyt reporter? could not say. no feeling one way or another. just gonna write it up using the neutral and nonjudgemental medium we like to call english.

no offense nrq but... have you ever taken a journalism class?

or even thought about being a journalist yourself?

because im not sure youre qualified to have this discussion

Let's review the press, shall we?

The NYT article is inaccurate. Here is the Chicago Tribune article linked to through Wikipedia ( a much fairer, less curmudgeonly and better researched article):

But Pitchfork's rave review for Radiohead's highly anticipated "Kid A" album in fall 2000 brought an influx of new readers from other band Web sites and message boards. Though the writing on the site remains wildly erratic, it is fervent; the most hostile reviews are written with the passion of a freshly jilted lover berating her ex. And the rave reviews carry weight with readers looking for the next big thing.

Kid A: not mainstream "rock".

x-post to "i am legernd" (your opinion toward the media is passive and cynical...I am just trying to be helpful in indicating that actual journalism programs don't recommend certain approaches). Anyway, mainstream newspapers write bad or misleading headlines all the time, that doesn't mean we the readership should let it slide.

I rest my case that ONE NYT article is inappropriate, thoughtless and inaccurate. I am just horrified that they did something so unprofessional and this isn't the first time, either.

contenderizer, I have seen this attitude toward blogs or so-called "indie" sites TOO many times from allegedly authoritative news sources like the New York Times.

Is inferring nefariousness a crime? You don't care enough to make a convincing argument to the contrary.

you are an actual nut

but i dont like taking too much space in a message board

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For the record, I think there is plenty of professional, thoughtful writing in the NYT. I take the time to read it. This isn't an example of that. I would think that being shocked the NYT would do something so foolish would indicate that I expect better of them.

http://orangenuts.com/images/the_actual_nut.jpg

this is all because the nyt said that pitchfork had 'a limited range of interests' or

i think it's more about how much they hate latins

both of these seem to be pretty inarguable imo

I have attended journalism classes and even thought of being a journalist myself.

IRL LOL

hahahahahahahha this is great

glad u s steel has been outed as a complete maniac

what in the world is going on itt

u s steel has had the Nude Spock book thrown at him more than once iirc

u s steel is definitely not nude spock, who was more of a crafty supervillain

yeah this is entry-level nutbardom but still pretty great

i don't think it's nutty - considering how people on ilx regularly go apopletic about details and minor signifiers (e.g. politics of messenger bags).

Excuse me sir, are you interested in getting into a detailed argument with me here? Because I don't like taking too much space in a message board and I'm sorry about that.

^^ you dont think this is nutty, and also terrific

lollin all over again

i think it's terrific, but only nutty in that it's basically saying "i don't give a fuck" about the ilx social conventions

oh my god how did i miss all this until now. US STEEL NEVER LEAVE US.

I haven't said anything yet but I think u s steel is one of the best writers i've read in a long time.

hahahahhahaha

he's no mar1ssa though

think in the wake of blair and miller, the nyt could do worse than to hire u s steel, a man of integrity -- and one with a keen eye on the wordcount

well, he's more concise than the PRR guy

what's funny is i'm p sure what offended us steel was simply caramanica giving prr dude's account, but departing from direct quotes, tho it's hard to be certain without reading the whole piece, which i'm so not gonna do.

btw markers it's totally all your fault and don't let anyone tell u different

haaaa

I haven't said anything yet but I think u s steel is one of the best writers i've read in a long time.

― ('_') (omar little), Friday, September 3, 2010 9:07 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

ow