― alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
big sexy land and you goddamn son of a bitch by revolting cocks are essential too.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
_Twitch_ is their best album by a long shot, even though it's much more in the dance-industrial vein of things than their more recent stuff. I recently dug _The Land Of Rape And Honey_ out of storage and was blown away by how evily wonderful it is (especially "Flashback"). _A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste_ has its high points ("Burning Inside", "The Angel Song", "Faith Collapsing", "Thieves", "Breathe", "So What"), but also contains the absolutely unforgivable "Cannibal Song". After a brief infatuation with "N.W.O." I completely lost interest in the band about the time _Psalm 69_ came out.
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I too love WITH SYMPATHY, but I'd sooner steer you in the direction of "No Name No Slogan" by Acid Horse (Ministry with Cabaret Votaire), "Rubber Glove Seduction" by PTP (ditto), the fantastic "I Will Refuse" by Pailhead (Al Jourgensen & Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat/Fugazi) and the whomptastic "Apathy" by 1000 Homo DJ's (Al again).
Revolting Cocks-wise, I'd opt for BEERS STEERS + QUEERS every time.
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
also wonderful are the 'all day', 'haloween (remix)' and 'nature of love' 12"s on wax trax where you can hear the development from synth pop to gargantuan industrial drums taking shape.
The videos for that album, another matter entirely. ;-)
Gregg Araki, of all people, turned me onto Ministry in 1988 via an LA Weekly review of Rape and Honey. "All right," I thought, so I picked it up. "EURGH! What is all this noise! Pass." But I didn't get rid of it, and it slowly dug into my system, so by the time Mind came out I was well primed. Missed that tour, unfortunately, but did finally get to see them on Lolla 92, which was fucking goddamn fantastic (and though Gibby joined them onstage for "TV Song," they did *not* do "Jesus Built My Hot-Rod," the evening's one disappointment -- great rampage through "Supernaut" made up for it, though). After that, they spiralled off into not much, but Linger Fickin' Good had its points on the RevCo front.
What's wrong with "Cannibal Song," though? It's just them trying to be PiL with Chris Connelly as John Lydon -- seems to work.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Replace "work" with "fail utterly, making you want to build a time machine expressly so that you could go back to the delivery room and punch all of the mothers in the face at the moment when these tools were born" and you're approaching the level of disdain I have for that song. It's a static dirge with frightmarish vocals that seems to go out of its way to be stupid and annoying.
it's also a shame that jourgensen ruined most skinny puppy tracks he touched.
the "incase you didn't feel like showing up" video, is that the one with ogre and jello in it?
― dyson, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bnw, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I really like about half of each of the _Land_ and _Mind_ albums - but in spite of liking NWO I never bought _Psalm_ : is it much the same as those 2, or were they getting more Metally and less Machiney ?
― Ray M, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
The problem with Ministry is that they started making too much money, which probably led to too much drugs.
― earlnash, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 February 2003 12:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 15 February 2003 22:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 15 February 2003 22:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (LOOK UP TWO POSTS FFS) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― dali madison's nut (donut), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link
I thought that was a joke.
― Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (Still Not Interested In Them Anymore) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/music/2003/05/images/download_150.jpg
― dali madison's nut (donut), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link
Ministry `06 (with Tommy from Prong and Raven from KJ)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/maxmal/sonicranch2.jpg
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: Deutsch Bag (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link
Tommy Victor did play in Danzig as well, yeah, but I think that was more out of financial necessity.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link
and I don't get it- I saw Lazarus live over the summer and his set was 100% bouncey electro-house....
― jsoulja (jsoulja), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link
"The REVOLTING COCK."
"Heh heh, yeah, must be some strip show.. y' know.. with strippers."
― dali madison's nut (donut), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― dali madison's nut (donut), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm tempted to do a C/D for 'Filth Pig'. I hated it on release and never bothered checking out any of their stuff after that, but once in a while songs pop up on shuffle and they're usually pretty awesome (e.g. last night "Brick Windows")
― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link
twitch's rare mentions in this thread is a crime.
― HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link
WHERE YOU AT NOW
― damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link
land of rape and honey 4-EVAH
― crappy, use her name (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link
USE IT A WHILE AND IT'S OVER THE SHOULDER
― damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Saturday, 29 August 2009 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link
You know, I actually really liked Rio Grande Blood -- not The Last Sucker quite so much though it was still certainly better than a lot of their mid-period (ie Filth Pig and onward).
Just bought Twitch again and I like it okay. Parts of it didn't age well at all.
― Sean Carruthers, Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Again, I wish they'd pulled the plug after Psalm 69.
― Alex in NYC, Saturday, 29 August 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
It bears repearing: "Jesus Built My Hotrod" is utterly unstoppable. Play it loud!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 29 August 2009 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link
For whatever reason I cannot stop listening to "Hizbollah" today
― More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Thursday, 3 September 2009 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
love the snippet of dubbed out accordian sampled in "where you at now"
― damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Thursday, 3 September 2009 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Hmmm.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I wrote about that here. My memories of that 1990 RevCo show are pretty vivid, so I hope the movie focuses on that period and the year or two immediately prior; by the time they played Lollapalooza they'd already pretty much lost it, IMO.
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 16:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Lolla 92 was the last time they made any real sense, if only for "N.W.O." and the Bush I samples.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I am in the extreme minority here but, aside from "Burning Inside" and "Faith Collasping", I think they started losing it by A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste. The songs there have a kernel of awesome smothered by repetive bullshit nonsense ("Breathe", "Thieves", "So What", "Test", "Dream Song") or is just flat-out unlistenable ("Cannibal Song", "Never Believe") ans Psalm 69 took everything I hated about AMIATTTT and cranked it up to 100.
― Restless Genital Syndrome (HI DERE), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link
thieves =! repetitive bullshit nonsense in any world i live in
― bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I gotta disagree with pretty much all of this...Psalm 69 was definitely the end of the golden era (though I'll offer another minority opinion, namely that Animositisomina had some very good songs), but there are a couple of solid tracks on it, "Hero" and "Scarecrow" in particular. However, the three singles from Psalm 69 - "NWO," "Jesus Built My Hotrod" and "Just One Fix" - are much, much better in their longer 12"/CD single versions.
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I've actually managed to listen to Cannibal Song many, many times. AMIATTTT is peak Ministry imo.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
― bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:44 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
1st post of 2010.say it all really.
― mark e, Friday, 1 January 2010 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link
i just started getting into this band. i think i am in love with this evil.
also, 'Cannibal Song' is fucking awesome. all yall haters are crazy.
― Honey, I squirted jizz all over the baby (the table is the table), Monday, 27 September 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I love classic Ministry but think Psalm 69 is extremely overrated. it's good but don't spin it anywhere near as much as Land of Rape and Mind...."Just One Fix" is ace though
― u r no man, take the balls (San Te), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_discography#Studio_albums
these sales figures are hilarious
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
Ouch. How the hell did they lose momentum so badly between Psalm 69 and Filth Pig? Which is an underrated album. Dammit.
― GLOWER METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 08:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this is pretty incredible - I now rate it but it's true that I remember a big sense of deflation when Filth Pig came out.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 08:39 (twelve years ago) link
To be honest, when it was out Psalm 69 kind of alienated me - maybe it's because noe of it lived up the promise of the single version of Jesus Built My Hotrod - and I was off the bus by Filth Pig. Listening back I can't work out why, as it's really pretty good.
The numbers for The Last Sucker are just embarassing. Has anyone knowingly heard it?
― I said Omorotic, not homo-erotic (aldo), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 08:54 (twelve years ago) link
yeah tbh Psalm 69 is pretty mediocre apart from the singles
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 10:04 (twelve years ago) link
i always kind of liked filth pig and never understood why it was considered mediocre. after that one i didn't bother though.
― alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 10:24 (twelve years ago) link
Psalm 69's not just about the singles. Scarecrow's astounding - that's the heart of the album for me. But I agree it has more filler than The Mind.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/ministry/album-filth-pig.jpg
Don't know how they didn't manage to shift 2 million units of this sucker.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:50 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, I didn't even buy it. I still use "Filth Pig" as an insult though, particularly toward one of my wife's chihuahuas.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:51 (twelve years ago) link
filth pig is worthy of the entry price for the bob dylan cover version alone, that's a proper late night + wine loud music blast.
― mark e, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:02 (twelve years ago) link
I can sum up why Filth Pig never got anywhere easy -- "The Fall" was released as the first single and it seemed slow, draggy and boring in comparison to a lot of other Ministry singles (and in terms of the mass market, a certain NIN album of the previous year had wider appeal, shall we say).
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:05 (twelve years ago) link
filth pig cover art always reminded me of this classic Arbus photo
http://brownstate.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451be1b69e20105357094dd970c-450wi
by way of Massive Headwound Harry
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41589_143588872337299_6284_n.jpg
― car's not yellow, it's chicken (Pillbox), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:08 (twelve years ago) link
in addition to what Ned said, Filth Pig sucks and is terrible
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
At the time I had every Ministry release, and when Filth Pig came out I was just sorely disappointing. It's not as if I was expecting another Land of Rape and Honey, but when I listened to it it felt like the look on my dog's face after he got neutered.
― allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
I'm listening to "The Fall" again to see if I still hate it
about 20 seconds in, my answer is "no, but it certainly isn't anything special"
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
S: "the nature of love" (cruelty mix). brutal
― ur reading from a season in hell but u don't know what it's abt (missingNO), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
1:30 in, yeah this just sucks
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
"The Nature of Love" OTOH is and always will be fucking great
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
To me, Filth Pig was always a massive misread by Al and co of what people were exactly finding appealing about the increasing metallification of Ministry. To my ears, it stripped the last remaining things out of the sound that I still enjoyed, and I found it dreary, plodding and joyless.
I think they found a bit of that again right near the end, but by then almost everyone had tuned out (from the looks of those numbers).
― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
Hate the fuck out of filth pig, which ive ranted about somewhere around here
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
I felt texturally they were just turning into a big mushy evil-sounding blouse of a band; when I really liked them, they had a killer crispness and precision in their sound and arrangements that they slowly worked out of their sound in favor of increasing amounts of feedback. It just all turned into an amorphous blob of sound that still sounded vaguely mean and evil but didn't have nearly the punch of even their wimpy synth-pop stuff.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, I can kind of dig "NWO" because of the drums but the way the rest of the song works is just not my type of thing; there's also way too much stasis given what the foundational beat of the song is.
"Jesus Built My Hotrod" OTOH just works, I think because it's faster and the distortion on the guitar is brighter with more bite and less sludge.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
(in summation, I was having doubts as of A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Tase but really Psalm 69 is when they just started flat-out sucking hardcore; Filth Pig was just confirmation)
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
Can I just say "You have been found guilty of commerce with the devil!"
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i was still down with psalm 69, so filth pig was like a big fart in the pillow moment for me
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
lol actually this reminds me, did you ever get back on the NIN wagon?
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
While there'http://blog.devstone.com/images/emote_ellipsis.gifouple bad tracks on Psalm 69, to me there's just some tracks that totally kill. Like Just One Fix, and Scarecrow along with Jesus Built my Hotrod, and NWO
― allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
You're lying through your teeth.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
yeah NIN pretty much dead to me
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
You're lying through your teeth..
I strongly recommend the Year Zero remix album, if only for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5LNAL12mI
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
so watch yourself, and watch what you say, they'll all die
― allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
interesting thread - didnt we have a Filth Pig one?I find Filth Pig has aged relatively well and could now be seen as proto-sludge. The Fall, Brick Windows, Lava and especially the Dylan cover are definitely keepers.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
the dylan cover was great
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
haha like half the initial ilx search results for "filth pig" are me hating on it
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
it's a bag of sick masquerading as an album
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
the other half of the results are you saying "are you sure you didnt spell psalm 69 wrong" so
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
i cant trust dan on this subject if he hates psalm 69 and thinks the rot set in earlier
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
ha
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
not sure of y'all already knowthere's a ministry documentary fresh outit's like ministry but also with mad heroin and bullet-proof vests
― the arching beast limb vulva singing upside down and backwards (jdchurchill), Thursday, 21 April 2011 04:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.fixtheministrymovie.com/
― the arching beast limb vulva singing upside down and backwards (jdchurchill), Thursday, 21 April 2011 04:19 (twelve years ago) link
ok haha i am listening through the ministry catalog in order to make my wedding playlist (yeah i know) and guys. thieves is so so good.
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 05:57 (twelve years ago) link
also before i look like i am having some sort of rivethead prom for my wedding, this isnt making the cut but still
fuck
it makes me all teenagery
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
best use of a drill sample outside of maybe that slapshot album no one else in the world likes
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
Give in to your past.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:02 (twelve years ago) link
i would say what i picked but i cant ruin dans special day
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
if you picked "Cannibal Song" I will cut you on your wedding day
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
Throw Dan in a celll-llll-llll...
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 April 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
I am listening to this again to see if I still hate it and so far all signs point towards YES
It's proto-Filth Pig, only even more static and boring. GOD was way better at this type of thing.
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
Our own xhuxk does some spelunking.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
"Then, two years later, with barbarian-come-lately mastermind Al Jourgensen seemingly inspired by certain big and black swine-fornicating post-hardcore outfits from the onetime Hog Butcher of the World..."
nice piece. enjoyed the summaries and dot-connecting, both for stuff i know and love (killing joke! butthole surfers! voivod!) and artists that are less familiar to me.
kind of funny/odd that he hints at big black's (i think obvious) influence on ministry's transformation, but doesn't devote an entry to them. rolands need love, too.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Two points:
1) I wouldn't call Land and Mind "interchangeable" at all. The songs on the former are much more simplistic (and, yes, Big Black-esque); the latter features real live human drummers, blatant Killing Joke imitations and a general increase in structural complexity.
2) New Rigor Mortis album this year, recorded at Jourgensen's studio with the full original lineup! I am excited.
― 誤訳侮辱, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
How is "Burning Inside" more structurally complex than "Stigmata"?
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
id say they arent interchangable, but mostly because of the shift from keys/samples/drum machine to geetars/drumming as musical focus
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
if it wasnt for land of rape and honey, my favorite ministry album would prob be Rabies by Skinny Puppy when I really think about it
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
oh duh wait never mind, twitch exists. lol @ me
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ unsurprisingly I think jjj is OTM
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
it's not like he was writing different types of songs, he was just using different types of instruments
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
still don't think executive slacks get enough cred/love as far as american industrorock pioneering goes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHsJZTZo5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AV7LcUM2RM
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
and they went jockrock by 1986. and started wearing mirror shades.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIaYZi4e5TY
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
wish i still owned all their albums. i think i had everything they ever put out. i better go buy them again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srmoSEs7GH0
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
btw listening to Mind... in its entirety for the first time in years and the idea that droning on six minutes instead of four is "a general increase in structural complexity" is incredibly funny
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
Love "Mind."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
12" Singles > Twitch > LORAH > With Sympathy > Mind > everything else
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.davidbergman.net/blogpics/20080501_Ministry_sm_0145.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
my favorite ministry album would prob be Rabies by Skinny Puppy when I really think about it
Says more about the quality of Skinny Puppy's worst album etc
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Never liked Ministry AT ALL but recently really really got into Twitch
― Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
ya Twitch is bad ass
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
Twitch was always my favorite.
And xxpp -- I obviously wanted to include Big Black, but couldn't, since they're not on Rhapsody (which I assume was Albini's decision -- his other bands aren't on there, either.)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
i like twitch a bunch. and i liked the first album and singles too. and i think land of rape & honey is the last really cohesive/good slbum he did. but there is good stuff on the albums that came after.
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
chuck, isn't there a way to add this song to your column? 1986!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgTHmlVmP78
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
feel like half of wax trax could have been directly inspired by ex slacks. and the other half by the country of belgium.
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
this is known as the "Ministry Truthbomb"
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like Psalm 69 is more the departure into undifferentiated, shitty industrial metal. Mind is still pretty good. Except the rap song.
― Will the waveform be unbroken? (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:42 (twelve years ago) link
I like "Burning Inside" and the final two instrumentals and I can enjoy "Thieves" if I'm in the right mood. The rest of the album doesn't grab me at all.
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:07 (twelve years ago) link
gosh. did not expect to see AoC in the list.and so glad to see some love for Wiseblood .. i love that collab ..
― mark e, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
Wiseblood is awesome in every way, as is twitch, which i am listening to right now.
but guysi listened to filth pig and sorta pretended it was some unknown band and it wasnt totally awful for the first 2.5 songs and then it once again turned into an endless slog. i think my hate is diminished because knowing what i know now my expectations were v v low, vs when i bought it on release day and was pretty much slapped in the face with slow low droney
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Saturday, 25 February 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
ok there are literally no bad tracks on twitch. holy shit man, i gotta spend more time w/old stuff i love. its like all the best parts of front 242 and EBM with really great vocals.
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Saturday, 25 February 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
Here's how good Twitch is: the worst song on it is "We Believe".
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Saturday, 25 February 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
I started with Psalm 69, so I still have a nostalgic attachment to it (got my first speeding ticket bc I was rocking out too hard to 'Scarecrow' & ignoring the speedometer)....but Twitch and Land of Rape and Honey are my older-wiser favorites :)
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link
I also see a bunch of Neubauten's "Yu-Gung" reflected back in Ministry, especially (for obvious reasons) the Sherwood remix. I also want to say there's some Slayer in there, but that may be the post-Psalm material.
― Sean Carruthers, Saturday, 25 February 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
The singles from Psalm 69 are much better than the album tracks. The long versions of "Jesus Built My Hotrod," "N.W.O." and especially "Just One Fix" all crush the album versions.
― 誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't know that about the other two songs! I had the Jesus maxi single for about half a year before the album came out and I remember being disappointed by the shorter Jesus and by TV II.
― beachville, Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
The "Just One Fix" single has an extended version of the song that's about eight minutes long, plus a track that's Ministry laying crunchy noises down behind William S. Burroughs for about five minutes.
― 誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
don't see any big dropoff until after psalm 69, myself. came in on land of rape and honey (which i loved, headphone staple the year of its release), worked back to twitch, anticipated and loved both TMIATTT and psalm 69, though i definitely preferred the former to the latter. interest faded pretty quickly after that. 12" version of "jesus built my hot rod" is a blast.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
"These are sensations as hard to forgetAs they are to control.Drag racing."
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
^
― beachville, Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
lol, i'd always skip that part, or better yet, just start the song over. must have listened to JBMHR like 20 times the day i bought it.
hey! listen, get this: nobody with a good car needs to worry about nothin', you understand?yeah (hey!), i think i dohey! listen, get this: nobody with a good car needs to be justifiedand i'll tell you why...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIYoQ42dBg
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
The whole Big Stick Drag Racing Underground album is great for the Jesus Built My Hotrod samples/nitro feel, tho I don't think that single is on it.
― The Winged Devil Ape (Fizzles), Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
I have it on an LP that compiles 2 EPs I think - Drag Racing & Crack Attack. I think it's on Blast First? Or maybe Touch & Go.
― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 25 February 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think I ever bought psalm despite loving Land and Mind. I did eventually download it but it was years and years later. To me they kind of ended with Mind, which is best.
― akm, Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQozjL_Xi88
This is still probably Ministry's weirdest video ever. The fact that they used the 12" version for the video -- all 3 minutes of intro On-U sound drums -- is part of it. The other major part is the surprise(?) ending at 6:15. This was a cornerstone track for me... part On-U Sound, part Einsturzende Neubauten, part Dead Or Alive.
― ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 06:38 (twelve years ago) link
I should have looked for that video earlier. (And hi there, of course!)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 07:56 (twelve years ago) link
"Everyday Is Halloween" is the song that made me notice Ministry but "Over the Shoulder" is the song that made me LOVE them (specifically that 12" version)
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
DEAD CATS HANGING FROM POLES
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
nobody with a good car needs to be justified
lol never realized this is from Hughes' Wise Blood before (such a great movie)
― Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
it is! love brad dourif so much in that movie. huston's though. john hughes' wise blood is a dream yet unfulfilled...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
Uhh
http://i41.tinypic.com/34o8roj.jpg
― this fucking guy that i speak to you about (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 04:17 (twelve years ago) link
whaaaat the fuck is that
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
New album, apparently. For some reason.
― this fucking guy that i speak to you about (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
It's the worst album I've heard this year so far.
― A. Begrand, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 05:22 (twelve years ago) link
it looks like it
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 05:35 (twelve years ago) link
It has to be bad. A Republican is currently not president.
― ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 08:13 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUhrBBsNTTA
Uhh. Al Jourgensen is slowly turning into Lisa Bonet's grandmother.
― benernienie taumaupin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 09:07 (eleven years ago) link
I would like to hear the half-assed Killing Joke melodic bit in the chorus rescued from this song and put in a better one.
― benernienie taumaupin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 09:08 (eleven years ago) link
From the cheap laughs department:
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― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
Top-rated YouTube commenter on 99 Percenters bringing harsh truths:
Wow.... Just.... Wow. Been a fan through all incarnations since '86. Seen them live a ton of times.. Probably my favorite band of all time. After watching this, ... I'm getting off the crazy train. I thought there were some good tracks on the album, but this just comes off as sheer fucking laziness. It was a great run Al, but please stay true to your word and put this band to bed. Fuck, I never thought I'd join the haters... But this does suck.
GunHed17 2 weeks ago 7
― Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
I have a copy of that doc that came out, "Fix" or "Fixed" or w/e...part of me is curious but the rest of me kinda knows this is a thing I probably don't need to watch
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
A lot of mid-80s industrial is pretty hard to listen to - not because it's too harsh or gritty in the intended way, but because it uses lame mid-80s drum machines and transposed, key-triggered samples.
It sounds like a lot of these bands thought they sounded edgy and counter-cultural, but in retrospect it all sounds like Anne Dudley playing hookey with Ferris Bueller.
― 3×5, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
what drum machines should they have been using instead? drum machines from the future?
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
uhhhh Land Of Rape And Honey still pummels me in the face with "lame mid-80's drum machines" also 2) that's not the problem and b) RONG
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
i LOVE lame mid 80s drum machines.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ministry-guitarist-mike-scaccia-dies-after-onstage-collapse-20121223
r.i.p.
― t_s (how's life), Sunday, 23 December 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
Aww man. RIP. I was actually a fan of Rigor Mortis well before he joined Ministry, dude was pretty speedy.
― flared bass (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 23 December 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
After not having paid any attention to a Ministry album since Psalm 69 turned me off for good I was mildly curious to hear the new (supposedly last ever) album after reading Al saying that parts of it were inspired by Adrian Sherwood and would put King Tubby to shame on the dub front. Needless to say King Tubby can rest in his grave without having to worry that his techniques have been usurped by Al and Sherwood must be chuckling into his mixing desk at how bad it is. The "dub" bits make No Doubt seem like Prince Far I at his heaviest in comparison. Cod dub!
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:11 (ten years ago) link
haha at you falling for it and checking it out!
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:17 (ten years ago) link
There is never any compelling reason to listen to anything Ministry released after 1989.
― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link
yup, what a sucker! at least i maintain my *cough*youthful*cough* optimism / naiveté. xp
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
put King Tubby to shame on the dub front
this is just a shameful thing for anyone to claim
― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
Well, King Tubby is dead, so maybe it's just a matter of parsing tense.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
Had no idea this was completed or released but man, some harrowing (heroin) stuff:
http://vimeo.com/91347991
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 October 2014 03:07 (nine years ago) link
No matter how tempted you are, do not try and read Al's book.
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link
Thanks for the warning. I'm always on the lookout for a good trashy drug band bio. What's bad about it?
― american tail/american pie (how's life), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, it's bad. I can't even remember enough about it to pick it apart, but it was just...dull.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
It's dull because it's full of bullshit stories (some of which are patently not true) only told to make Al the greatest bestest drug taker ever. An awful lot of them have something "nearly" happen and there's a preponderance of casual racism, homophobia and rape culture that is sometimes glorified but at a minimum glossed over and excused with another anecdote where he has a token gay or black friend (invariably who he never mentions again).
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
i kind of almost enjoyed it even though i was fully aware it was BS. his treatise on economics at the end was complete and utter nonsense though; he patently thinks he's a lot smarter than he actually is or maybe he has genuinely fried his brain. i read chris connelly's book immediately after which is way better.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I read Chris Connelly's first but it seemed so skewed to making out Al was a complete dick that I thought I'd read this for balance. Instead it reinforces some of the conclusions you make from the other book.
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link
everyone otm
― don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
So this week, Ministry (via Cleopatra Records) posted a previously unreleased live album on Bandcamp. It's called Live Necronomicon, and it's about 85 minutes long - there's a double vinyl edition that may already be sold out, and then a digital version. No CDs. Anyway, according to this piece on Slicing Up Eyeballs, it's basically the raw tapes from In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up, with a few Jello Biafra spoken-word bits and a version of Revolting Cocks' "Stainless Steel Providers" excised. Note that In Case... had a lot of studio overdubs, which are absent here, making the music much more overtly metallic and placing the vocals a lot higher in the mix. The set list includes their covers of Public Image Ltd.'s "Public Image" and Skinny Puppy's "Smothered Hope," and versions of Pailhead's "No Bunny" and "Man Should Surrender" and Lard's "The Power of Lard" and "Hellfudge." It's really good, and worth your nine bucks.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 July 2017 01:55 (six years ago) link
Chris Connelly lives by me. I see him all the time with his family, in full suburban dad mode.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 02:03 (six years ago) link
Search: With Sympathy
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 13:03 (six years ago) link
Ministry Visual History BookMinistry: Prescripture Announced Today
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Out December 6, Read About the Book via Rolling Stone Includes 7 inch of "(Every Day Is) Halloween (Acoustic)” featuring Dave Navarro (Jane’s Addiction)
The book features an introduction by Jello Biafra and exclusive quotes from members of Smashing Pumpkins, ZZ Top, Cheap Trick, NWA, Ramones, Nine Inch Nails, Tool, Megadeth, AFI, Slayer, Jane’s Addiction, Rammstein, The Flaming Lips, Devo, Butthole Surfers, Static-X, Anthrax, White Zombie, Death Grips, Bauhaus, Killing Joke, High on Fire, GWAR, Einstürzende Neubauten, Revolting Cocks, and many more! Various packages available for pre-order include copies autographed by Al Jourgensen and the author, Aaron Tanner and a 7” of the studio version of "(Every Day Is) Halloween (Acoustic)” featuring Dave Navarro (Jane’s Addiction)!
LIMITED-RUN OF 20009" X 9" casebound, pages TBDPUBLISHED: December 6, 2019PRE-ORDER: September 18, 2019ISBN: 978-0-578-56212-4
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 16:16 (four years ago) link
Includes 7 inch of "(Every Day Is) Halloween (Acoustic)” featuring Dave Navarro (Jane’s Addiction)
that's a "no" from me, dawg
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 16:18 (four years ago) link
^ otm
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 16:36 (four years ago) link
only $150
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
Al finally makes his peace with
― stirmonster, Monday, 7 August 2023 22:25 (seven months ago) link
....With Sympathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU6-uMVECRE
― stirmonster, Monday, 7 August 2023 22:26 (seven months ago) link