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I can't believe it. This has not yet been done. I don't know them very well. I have two albums which I rather like (or maybe liked, didn't listen to them for ages), a Live and Filth Pig. They are not their best I was told. So what are the ultimate industrial heavy metal albums by Ministry? And which ones belong into the bin?

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

land of rape and honey and a mind is a terrible thing to taste are the ones though (of course) my favourite ministry record is the pre guitar adrian sherwood produced synth dub noise masterpiece twitch.

big sexy land and you goddamn son of a bitch by revolting cocks are essential too.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Land of Rape and Honey seconded, thought it's not quite so heavy metal...more on the industrial side of things. I don't quite like Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste quite so much because it sounds pretty sterile, production-wise. I'm actually really fond of Psalm 69, because even though it's a bit dumb, it sounds really amazing cranked up, it provides a nice balance between live guitar and sequencing, and it's got that great Gibby guest performance on "Jesus Built My Hot Rod", still one of the most rippin' songs from the early 90s.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Also, I know it's not really cool to say so, but I actually don't mind With Sympathy...yeah, it's pretty wimpy synth pop, but considering the other synth pop that was on major labels at the same time, you know what? it's not that bad. I actually used to really love the single "Revenge" when it first came out, because it sure beat the crap out of the other stuff I was hearing on the radio at the time.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

No one should ever apologize for liking _With Sympathy_. It's a fantastic synth-pop album and "Revenge", "Should Have Known Better", "Effigy (I'm Not A)", "Here We Go" and "I Wanted To Tell Her" are all classic.

_Twitch_ is their best album by a long shot, even though it's much more in the dance-industrial vein of things than their more recent stuff. I recently dug _The Land Of Rape And Honey_ out of storage and was blown away by how evily wonderful it is (especially "Flashback"). _A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste_ has its high points ("Burning Inside", "The Angel Song", "Faith Collapsing", "Thieves", "Breathe", "So What"), but also contains the absolutely unforgivable "Cannibal Song". After a brief infatuation with "N.W.O." I completely lost interest in the band about the time _Psalm 69_ came out.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They should've ceased and desisted after PSALM 69, or at least changed gears radically. THE LAND OF RAPE AND HONEY is their finest hour, I'd wager (before they decided they wanted to be Killing Joke). After their transformation into a metal band, they merely treaded water.

I too love WITH SYMPATHY, but I'd sooner steer you in the direction of "No Name No Slogan" by Acid Horse (Ministry with Cabaret Votaire), "Rubber Glove Seduction" by PTP (ditto), the fantastic "I Will Refuse" by Pailhead (Al Jourgensen & Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat/Fugazi) and the whomptastic "Apathy" by 1000 Homo DJ's (Al again).

Revolting Cocks-wise, I'd opt for BEERS STEERS + QUEERS every time.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

indeed, no apologies required for 'with sympathy'. i always forget about it as in my mind it's a completely different band but it is great pop. in fact, i'm going to dig it out now.

also wonderful are the 'all day', 'haloween (remix)' and 'nature of love' 12"s on wax trax where you can hear the development from synth pop to gargantuan industrial drums taking shape.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

No one should ever apologize for liking _With Sympathy_.

The videos for that album, another matter entirely. ;-)

Gregg Araki, of all people, turned me onto Ministry in 1988 via an LA Weekly review of Rape and Honey. "All right," I thought, so I picked it up. "EURGH! What is all this noise! Pass." But I didn't get rid of it, and it slowly dug into my system, so by the time Mind came out I was well primed. Missed that tour, unfortunately, but did finally get to see them on Lolla 92, which was fucking goddamn fantastic (and though Gibby joined them onstage for "TV Song," they did *not* do "Jesus Built My Hot-Rod," the evening's one disappointment -- great rampage through "Supernaut" made up for it, though). After that, they spiralled off into not much, but Linger Fickin' Good had its points on the RevCo front.

What's wrong with "Cannibal Song," though? It's just them trying to be PiL with Chris Connelly as John Lydon -- seems to work.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What's wrong with "Cannibal Song," though? It's just them trying to be PiL with Chris Connelly as John Lydon -- seems to work.

Replace "work" with "fail utterly, making you want to build a time machine expressly so that you could go back to the delivery room and punch all of the mothers in the face at the moment when these tools were born" and you're approaching the level of disdain I have for that song. It's a static dirge with frightmarish vocals that seems to go out of its way to be stupid and annoying.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

("the mothers" should be "their mothers"; I don't hate the song enough to run around smacking every single mother on Earth in the face as they give birth, as absurd as that image is)

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

So what you're saying is you don't like the song. I think I'm getting that now. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The song has no energy and no point. The drums are muted, the singing is a passable Lydon impersonation but about twelve times more irritating, the music is practically non-existent, AND it has the misfortune of following "Burning Inside", which may well be the best of their aggro singles.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You forgot "Never Believe"...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I did, didn't I? Shows how well that song imprinted on my mind...

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, that's a big problem I have with _A Mind..._; for every song I think is fantastic, there's another one which is criminal or completely forgettable. The live versions on _In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up_ are much better.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Don't worry, I had to check the AMG to remember what it was called myself! I remember when I first heard it thinking somebody had finally done something a little bit different with orchestral blasts (well, sorta).

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There are orchestra blasts in it? I just remember being excited by it for the first 10 seconds and then skipping over it.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that is very true about "a mind..." it's true with most ministry projects really.

it's also a shame that jourgensen ruined most skinny puppy tracks he touched.

the "incase you didn't feel like showing up" video, is that the one with ogre and jello in it?

dyson, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yup, that's it. Dan: listen to the start of the song again, they're used as this weird strident rhythm.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

More votes for The Mind... and Rape & Honey. Though they do have fair amounts of filler/boredom (self-criticism is not one of Jourgensens virtues, apparently), as a whole these albums work very very well. The Dark Side and Filth Pig albums are 90% filler material IMO. Going through the motions, etc. I don't know where people get the "heavy metal" thing from, apart from the odd sampled metal riff I can't hear much of that in Ministry...

Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think Ogre is in the vid, think its Chris Connelly. There was a period in the 90's when it was quite hard to tell all the strung out, black dread locked industrial guys apart. Jello does come out and do a version of the Pledge of Allegiance that George W. would probably not approve.

bnw, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Listened to 'Cannibal Song' quite loud on headphones last night (well 2am today really) to check what the fuss was about - yeah it's a pretty mundane thing, but it does have one feature I'd never noticed before and which is brilliant: it has samples in it of that 'caw-caw' noise that crows make, one of my favourite noises, er, 'EVAH!' - as they say round here....

I really like about half of each of the _Land_ and _Mind_ albums - but in spite of liking NWO I never bought _Psalm_ : is it much the same as those 2, or were they getting more Metally and less Machiney ?

Ray M, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I liked them crow noises as well. More metally, yeah, but with enough mechanical kick in most of the songs to satisfy, so I say give it a whirl.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I agree about people are saying about Revco, Ministry & Pailhead. I would add that there is some good music on the Lard album "Last Temptation of Reid". I think the song "Forkboy" by Lard is the best thing that Jello Biafra did outside the Dead Kennedys.

The problem with Ministry is that they started making too much money, which probably led to too much drugs.

earlnash, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

were they getting more Metally and less Machiney
They were getting more rock than metal at that point. Psalm 69 really went for a more groovy, rock'n roll feel. It works for the most part, but I can see why it's not everybody's favourite - largely because of that approach, it lacks depth.

Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
Couldn't help noticing they have a new one out, ANIMOSITITISOMINA (animosity forward and backward without the y's......rathe inexplicably). I really can't imagine it's going to be wildy different from their last three records. Shouldn't they just fuckin' hang it up? Or have I simply just 'grown out' of them?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 February 2003 12:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think the answer to both questions is "Yes", Alex. At least that's how I've felt for some time now.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 15 February 2003 22:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the new one sounds like psalm 69 era ministry its pretty damn good

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 15 February 2003 22:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
What was "the new one" in Feb 2003?

Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Um.

Dan (LOOK UP TWO POSTS FFS) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Never mind, Adam, Dan. He was only gang-raped by flemish leathermen last night. He'll be back to sorts any hour now.

dali madison's nut (donut), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

oh you mean ANIMOSITITISOMINA?

I thought that was a joke.

Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Apparently it was a good album!

Dan (Still Not Interested In Them Anymore) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Is it industrial day in Adam's skull? Are the robots in his head going "MESMERIZED BY THE FORCES OF HATE"?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

chugga chugga chugga ANIMOSITISOMINA

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Al is one of these three. You figure out which one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/music/2003/05/images/download_150.jpg

dali madison's nut (donut), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Clearly Al is the chick on the right.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ihttp://www.photodump.com/direct/maxmal/SonicRanch.jpg

Ministry `06 (with Tommy from Prong and Raven from KJ)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/maxmal/sonicranch2.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

their last album (Houses of the Molé) is acually pretty good!

latebloomer: Deutsch Bag (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 21:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Co-headlining" Ministry/RevCo tour in '06! I am, as they say, so there.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

prng dood is also in danzig. that guys making bank.

howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

prng dood is also in danzig. that guys making bank.

Tommy Victor did play in Danzig as well, yeah, but I think that was more out of financial necessity.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what is this, the start of the big industrial dance revival? I was in a record shop last week flipping through compilations of uh, currently hip - or so they claim - records in certain cities, NYC, London, and the Paris one had stuff like Front 242 on it.

dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That's the Black Strobe Time Out Paris mix!

Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And the London one sucks balls!

Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the London one is TERRIBLE

and I don't get it- I saw Lazarus live over the summer and his set was 100% bouncey electro-house....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Co-headlining" Ministry/RevCo tour in '06! I am, as they say, so there.

"The REVOLTING COCK."

"Heh heh, yeah, must be some strip show.. y' know.. with strippers."

dali madison's nut (donut), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I guess this is where I say that "Cracking Up" is a grossly underrated later-era Revco song that directly lifts the opening guitar riff from ACR's "Shack Up", loops it, and puts it behind a proto-DFA bass/disco beat combo.. and adds drug samples and Chris Connelly clucking all over it.

dali madison's nut (donut), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up is quite loud.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And says "Fuck" often. We used it to drive out customers at closing time at a Mexican restaurant I worked at once...

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I'm tempted to do a C/D for 'Filth Pig'. I hated it on release and never bothered checking out any of their stuff after that, but once in a while songs pop up on shuffle and they're usually pretty awesome (e.g. last night "Brick Windows")

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 13:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

twitch's rare mentions in this thread is a crime.

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 14:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

WHERE YOU AT NOW

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

land of rape and honey 4-EVAH

crappy, use her name (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

USE IT A WHILE AND IT'S OVER THE SHOULDER

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Saturday, 29 August 2009 04:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

You know, I actually really liked Rio Grande Blood -- not The Last Sucker quite so much though it was still certainly better than a lot of their mid-period (ie Filth Pig and onward).

Just bought Twitch again and I like it okay. Parts of it didn't age well at all.

Sean Carruthers, Saturday, 29 August 2009 13:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Again, I wish they'd pulled the plug after Psalm 69.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 29 August 2009 20:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

It bears repearing: "Jesus Built My Hotrod" is utterly unstoppable. Play it loud!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 29 August 2009 21:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

For whatever reason I cannot stop listening to "Hizbollah" today

More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Thursday, 3 September 2009 20:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

love the snippet of dubbed out accordian sampled in "where you at now"

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Thursday, 3 September 2009 20:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Hmmm.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 15:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I wrote about that here. My memories of that 1990 RevCo show are pretty vivid, so I hope the movie focuses on that period and the year or two immediately prior; by the time they played Lollapalooza they'd already pretty much lost it, IMO.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 16:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lolla 92 was the last time they made any real sense, if only for "N.W.O." and the Bush I samples.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 16:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am in the extreme minority here but, aside from "Burning Inside" and "Faith Collasping", I think they started losing it by A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste. The songs there have a kernel of awesome smothered by repetive bullshit nonsense ("Breathe", "Thieves", "So What", "Test", "Dream Song") or is just flat-out unlistenable ("Cannibal Song", "Never Believe") ans Psalm 69 took everything I hated about AMIATTTT and cranked it up to 100.

Restless Genital Syndrome (HI DERE), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

thieves =! repetitive bullshit nonsense in any world i live in

bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am in the extreme minority here but, aside from "Burning Inside" and "Faith Collasping", I think they started losing it by A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste. The songs there have a kernel of awesome smothered by repetive bullshit nonsense ("Breathe", "Thieves", "So What", "Test", "Dream Song") or is just flat-out unlistenable ("Cannibal Song", "Never Believe") ans Psalm 69 took everything I hated about AMIATTTT and cranked it up to 100.

Yeah, I gotta disagree with pretty much all of this...Psalm 69 was definitely the end of the golden era (though I'll offer another minority opinion, namely that Animositisomina had some very good songs), but there are a couple of solid tracks on it, "Hero" and "Scarecrow" in particular. However, the three singles from Psalm 69 - "NWO," "Jesus Built My Hotrod" and "Just One Fix" - are much, much better in their longer 12"/CD single versions.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've actually managed to listen to Cannibal Song many, many times. AMIATTTT is peak Ministry imo.

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

thieves =! repetitive bullshit nonsense in any world i live in

― bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:44 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

1st post of 2010.
say it all really.

mark e, Friday, 1 January 2010 02:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

i just started getting into this band. i think i am in love with this evil.

also, 'Cannibal Song' is fucking awesome. all yall haters are crazy.

Honey, I squirted jizz all over the baby (the table is the table), Monday, 27 September 2010 23:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love classic Ministry but think Psalm 69 is extremely overrated. it's good but don't spin it anywhere near as much as Land of Rape and Mind...."Just One Fix" is ace though

u r no man, take the balls (San Te), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 02:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_discography#Studio_albums

these sales figures are hilarious

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 21:56 (six years ago) Permalink

Ouch. How the hell did they lose momentum so badly between Psalm 69 and Filth Pig? Which is an underrated album. Dammit.

GLOWER METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 08:19 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah this is pretty incredible - I now rate it but it's true that I remember a big sense of deflation when Filth Pig came out.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 08:39 (six years ago) Permalink

To be honest, when it was out Psalm 69 kind of alienated me - maybe it's because noe of it lived up the promise of the single version of Jesus Built My Hotrod - and I was off the bus by Filth Pig. Listening back I can't work out why, as it's really pretty good.

The numbers for The Last Sucker are just embarassing. Has anyone knowingly heard it?

I said Omorotic, not homo-erotic (aldo), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 08:54 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah tbh Psalm 69 is pretty mediocre apart from the singles

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 10:04 (six years ago) Permalink

i always kind of liked filth pig and never understood why it was considered mediocre. after that one i didn't bother though.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 10:24 (six years ago) Permalink

Psalm 69's not just about the singles. Scarecrow's astounding - that's the heart of the album for me. But I agree it has more filler than The Mind.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:41 (six years ago) Permalink

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/ministry/album-filth-pig.jpg

Don't know how they didn't manage to shift 2 million units of this sucker.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:50 (six years ago) Permalink

I mean, I didn't even buy it. I still use "Filth Pig" as an insult though, particularly toward one of my wife's chihuahuas.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 11:51 (six years ago) Permalink

filth pig is worthy of the entry price for the bob dylan cover version alone, that's a proper late night + wine loud music blast.

mark e, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:02 (six years ago) Permalink

I can sum up why Filth Pig never got anywhere easy -- "The Fall" was released as the first single and it seemed slow, draggy and boring in comparison to a lot of other Ministry singles (and in terms of the mass market, a certain NIN album of the previous year had wider appeal, shall we say).

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:05 (six years ago) Permalink

filth pig cover art always reminded me of this classic Arbus photo

http://brownstate.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451be1b69e20105357094dd970c-450wi

by way of Massive Headwound Harry

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41589_143588872337299_6284_n.jpg

car's not yellow, it's chicken (Pillbox), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 12:08 (six years ago) Permalink

in addition to what Ned said, Filth Pig sucks and is terrible

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 13:41 (six years ago) Permalink

At the time I had every Ministry release, and when Filth Pig came out I was just sorely disappointing. It's not as if I was expecting another Land of Rape and Honey, but when I listened to it it felt like the look on my dog's face after he got neutered.

allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 14:50 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm listening to "The Fall" again to see if I still hate it

about 20 seconds in, my answer is "no, but it certainly isn't anything special"

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:20 (six years ago) Permalink

S: "the nature of love" (cruelty mix). brutal

ur reading from a season in hell but u don't know what it's abt (missingNO), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:20 (six years ago) Permalink

1:30 in, yeah this just sucks

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:21 (six years ago) Permalink

"The Nature of Love" OTOH is and always will be fucking great

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:22 (six years ago) Permalink

To me, Filth Pig was always a massive misread by Al and co of what people were exactly finding appealing about the increasing metallification of Ministry. To my ears, it stripped the last remaining things out of the sound that I still enjoyed, and I found it dreary, plodding and joyless.

I think they found a bit of that again right near the end, but by then almost everyone had tuned out (from the looks of those numbers).

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:29 (six years ago) Permalink

Hate the fuck out of filth pig, which ive ranted about somewhere around here

broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:32 (six years ago) Permalink

I felt texturally they were just turning into a big mushy evil-sounding blouse of a band; when I really liked them, they had a killer crispness and precision in their sound and arrangements that they slowly worked out of their sound in favor of increasing amounts of feedback. It just all turned into an amorphous blob of sound that still sounded vaguely mean and evil but didn't have nearly the punch of even their wimpy synth-pop stuff.

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:33 (six years ago) Permalink

I mean, I can kind of dig "NWO" because of the drums but the way the rest of the song works is just not my type of thing; there's also way too much stasis given what the foundational beat of the song is.

"Jesus Built My Hotrod" OTOH just works, I think because it's faster and the distortion on the guitar is brighter with more bite and less sludge.

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:39 (six years ago) Permalink

(in summation, I was having doubts as of A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Tase but really Psalm 69 is when they just started flat-out sucking hardcore; Filth Pig was just confirmation)

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:40 (six years ago) Permalink

Can I just say "You have been found guilty of commerce with the devil!"

kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:42 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah i was still down with psalm 69, so filth pig was like a big fart in the pillow moment for me

broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:45 (six years ago) Permalink

lol actually this reminds me, did you ever get back on the NIN wagon?

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:47 (six years ago) Permalink

While there'http://blog.devstone.com/images/emote_ellipsis.gifouple bad tracks on Psalm 69, to me there's just some tracks that totally kill. Like Just One Fix, and Scarecrow along with Jesus Built my Hotrod, and NWO

allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:49 (six years ago) Permalink

You're lying through your teeth.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:52 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah NIN pretty much dead to me

broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:52 (six years ago) Permalink

You're lying through your teeth..

kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:52 (six years ago) Permalink

I strongly recommend the Year Zero remix album, if only for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5LNAL12mI

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:59 (six years ago) Permalink

so watch yourself, and watch what you say, they'll all die

allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:01 (six years ago) Permalink

interesting thread - didnt we have a Filth Pig one?
I find Filth Pig has aged relatively well and could now be seen as proto-sludge. The Fall, Brick Windows, Lava and especially the Dylan cover are definitely keepers.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:52 (six years ago) Permalink

the dylan cover was great

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:53 (six years ago) Permalink

haha like half the initial ilx search results for "filth pig" are me hating on it

broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:55 (six years ago) Permalink

it's a bag of sick masquerading as an album

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:57 (six years ago) Permalink

the other half of the results are you saying "are you sure you didnt spell psalm 69 wrong" so

broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:57 (six years ago) Permalink

i cant trust dan on this subject if he hates psalm 69 and thinks the rot set in earlier

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:59 (six years ago) Permalink

ha

fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 21:00 (six years ago) Permalink

not sure of y'all already know
there's a ministry documentary fresh out
it's like ministry but also with mad heroin and bullet-proof vests

the arching beast limb vulva singing upside down and backwards (jdchurchill), Thursday, 21 April 2011 04:17 (six years ago) Permalink

ok haha i am listening through the ministry catalog in order to make my wedding playlist (yeah i know) and guys. thieves is so so good.

The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 05:57 (six years ago) Permalink

also before i look like i am having some sort of rivethead prom for my wedding, this isnt making the cut but still

fuck

it makes me all teenagery

The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 05:59 (six years ago) Permalink

best use of a drill sample outside of maybe that slapshot album no one else in the world likes

The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:00 (six years ago) Permalink

Give in to your past.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:02 (six years ago) Permalink

i would say what i picked but i cant ruin dans special day

The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:10 (six years ago) Permalink

if you picked "Cannibal Song" I will cut you on your wedding day

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 21:35 (six years ago) Permalink

Throw Dan in a celll-llll-llll...

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 April 2011 22:07 (six years ago) Permalink

I am listening to this again to see if I still hate it and so far all signs point towards YES

It's proto-Filth Pig, only even more static and boring. GOD was way better at this type of thing.

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 22:19 (six years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

Our own xhuxk does some spelunking.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:04 (five years ago) Permalink

"Then, two years later, with barbarian-come-lately mastermind Al Jourgensen seemingly inspired by certain big and black swine-fornicating post-hardcore outfits from the onetime Hog Butcher of the World..."

nice piece. enjoyed the summaries and dot-connecting, both for stuff i know and love (killing joke! butthole surfers! voivod!) and artists that are less familiar to me.

kind of funny/odd that he hints at big black's (i think obvious) influence on ministry's transformation, but doesn't devote an entry to them. rolands need love, too.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:31 (five years ago) Permalink

Two points:

1) I wouldn't call Land and Mind "interchangeable" at all. The songs on the former are much more simplistic (and, yes, Big Black-esque); the latter features real live human drummers, blatant Killing Joke imitations and a general increase in structural complexity.

2) New Rigor Mortis album this year, recorded at Jourgensen's studio with the full original lineup! I am excited.

誤訳侮辱, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:50 (five years ago) Permalink

How is "Burning Inside" more structurally complex than "Stigmata"?

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:52 (five years ago) Permalink

id say they arent interchangable, but mostly because of the shift from keys/samples/drum machine to geetars/drumming as musical focus

Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:03 (five years ago) Permalink

if it wasnt for land of rape and honey, my favorite ministry album would prob be Rabies by Skinny Puppy when I really think about it

Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:05 (five years ago) Permalink

oh duh wait never mind, twitch exists. lol @ me

Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:08 (five years ago) Permalink

^^^ unsurprisingly I think jjj is OTM

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:21 (five years ago) Permalink

it's not like he was writing different types of songs, he was just using different types of instruments

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:22 (five years ago) Permalink

still don't think executive slacks get enough cred/love as far as american industrorock pioneering goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHsJZTZo5o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AV7LcUM2RM

scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:28 (five years ago) Permalink

and they went jockrock by 1986. and started wearing mirror shades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIaYZi4e5TY

scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:29 (five years ago) Permalink

wish i still owned all their albums. i think i had everything they ever put out. i better go buy them again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srmoSEs7GH0

scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:31 (five years ago) Permalink

btw listening to Mind... in its entirety for the first time in years and the idea that droning on six minutes instead of four is "a general increase in structural complexity" is incredibly funny

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:32 (five years ago) Permalink

Love "Mind."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:18 (five years ago) Permalink

12" Singles > Twitch > LORAH > With Sympathy > Mind > everything else

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:22 (five years ago) Permalink

my favorite ministry album would prob be Rabies by Skinny Puppy when I really think about it

Says more about the quality of Skinny Puppy's worst album etc

Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:08 (five years ago) Permalink

Never liked Ministry AT ALL but recently really really got into Twitch

Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:53 (five years ago) Permalink

ya Twitch is bad ass

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Twitch was always my favorite.

And xxpp -- I obviously wanted to include Big Black, but couldn't, since they're not on Rhapsody (which I assume was Albini's decision -- his other bands aren't on there, either.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:06 (five years ago) Permalink

i like twitch a bunch. and i liked the first album and singles too. and i think land of rape & honey is the last really cohesive/good slbum he did. but there is good stuff on the albums that came after.

scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:14 (five years ago) Permalink

chuck, isn't there a way to add this song to your column? 1986!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgTHmlVmP78

scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:16 (five years ago) Permalink

feel like half of wax trax could have been directly inspired by ex slacks. and the other half by the country of belgium.

scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:17 (five years ago) Permalink

i like twitch a bunch. and i liked the first album and singles too. and i think land of rape & honey is the last really cohesive/good slbum he did. but there is good stuff on the albums that came after.

this is known as the "Ministry Truthbomb"

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:36 (five years ago) Permalink

I feel like Psalm 69 is more the departure into undifferentiated, shitty industrial metal. Mind is still pretty good. Except the rap song.

Will the waveform be unbroken? (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 24 February 2012 04:42 (five years ago) Permalink

I like "Burning Inside" and the final two instrumentals and I can enjoy "Thieves" if I'm in the right mood. The rest of the album doesn't grab me at all.

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:07 (five years ago) Permalink

gosh.
did not expect to see AoC in the list.
and so glad to see some love for Wiseblood .. i love that collab ..

mark e, Friday, 24 February 2012 16:13 (five years ago) Permalink

Wiseblood is awesome in every way, as is twitch, which i am listening to right now.

but guys
i listened to filth pig and sorta pretended it was some unknown band and it wasnt totally awful for the first 2.5 songs and then it once again turned into an endless slog. i think my hate is diminished because knowing what i know now my expectations were v v low, vs when i bought it on release day and was pretty much slapped in the face with slow low droney

Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Saturday, 25 February 2012 00:41 (five years ago) Permalink

ok there are literally no bad tracks on twitch. holy shit man, i gotta spend more time w/old stuff i love. its like all the best parts of front 242 and EBM with really great vocals.

Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Saturday, 25 February 2012 00:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Here's how good Twitch is: the worst song on it is "We Believe".

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Saturday, 25 February 2012 02:53 (five years ago) Permalink

I started with Psalm 69, so I still have a nostalgic attachment to it (got my first speeding ticket bc I was rocking out too hard to 'Scarecrow' & ignoring the speedometer)....but Twitch and Land of Rape and Honey are my older-wiser favorites :)

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:07 (five years ago) Permalink

I also see a bunch of Neubauten's "Yu-Gung" reflected back in Ministry, especially (for obvious reasons) the Sherwood remix. I also want to say there's some Slayer in there, but that may be the post-Psalm material.

Sean Carruthers, Saturday, 25 February 2012 18:17 (five years ago) Permalink

The singles from Psalm 69 are much better than the album tracks. The long versions of "Jesus Built My Hotrod," "N.W.O." and especially "Just One Fix" all crush the album versions.

誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:22 (five years ago) Permalink

I didn't know that about the other two songs! I had the Jesus maxi single for about half a year before the album came out and I remember being disappointed by the shorter Jesus and by TV II.

beachville, Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:45 (five years ago) Permalink

The "Just One Fix" single has an extended version of the song that's about eight minutes long, plus a track that's Ministry laying crunchy noises down behind William S. Burroughs for about five minutes.

誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:08 (five years ago) Permalink

don't see any big dropoff until after psalm 69, myself. came in on land of rape and honey (which i loved, headphone staple the year of its release), worked back to twitch, anticipated and loved both TMIATTT and psalm 69, though i definitely preferred the former to the latter. interest faded pretty quickly after that. 12" version of "jesus built my hot rod" is a blast.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:52 (five years ago) Permalink

"These are sensations as hard to forget
As they are to control.
Drag racing."

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:53 (five years ago) Permalink

^

beachville, Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:27 (five years ago) Permalink

lol, i'd always skip that part, or better yet, just start the song over. must have listened to JBMHR like 20 times the day i bought it.

hey! listen, get this: nobody with a good car needs to worry about nothin', you understand?
yeah (hey!), i think i do
hey! listen, get this: nobody with a good car needs to be justified
and i'll tell you why...

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:29 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIYoQ42dBg

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 25 February 2012 21:36 (five years ago) Permalink

The whole Big Stick Drag Racing Underground album is great for the Jesus Built My Hotrod samples/nitro feel, tho I don't think that single is on it.

The Winged Devil Ape (Fizzles), Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:44 (five years ago) Permalink

I have it on an LP that compiles 2 EPs I think - Drag Racing & Crack Attack. I think it's on Blast First? Or maybe Touch & Go.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 25 February 2012 23:54 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't think I ever bought psalm despite loving Land and Mind. I did eventually download it but it was years and years later. To me they kind of ended with Mind, which is best.

akm, Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:22 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQozjL_Xi88

This is still probably Ministry's weirdest video ever. The fact that they used the 12" version for the video -- all 3 minutes of intro On-U sound drums -- is part of it. The other major part is the surprise(?) ending at 6:15. This was a cornerstone track for me... part On-U Sound, part Einsturzende Neubauten, part Dead Or Alive.

ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 06:38 (five years ago) Permalink

I should have looked for that video earlier. (And hi there, of course!)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 07:56 (five years ago) Permalink

"Everyday Is Halloween" is the song that made me notice Ministry but "Over the Shoulder" is the song that made me LOVE them (specifically that 12" version)

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:11 (five years ago) Permalink

DEAD CATS HANGING FROM POLES

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 16:49 (five years ago) Permalink

nobody with a good car needs to be justified

lol never realized this is from Hughes' Wise Blood before (such a great movie)

Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 16:52 (five years ago) Permalink

it is! love brad dourif so much in that movie. huston's though. john hughes' wise blood is a dream yet unfulfilled...

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:34 (five years ago) Permalink

whaaaat the fuck is that

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 04:28 (five years ago) Permalink

New album, apparently. For some reason.

this fucking guy that i speak to you about (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 04:38 (five years ago) Permalink

It's the worst album I've heard this year so far.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 05:22 (five years ago) Permalink

it looks like it

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 05:35 (five years ago) Permalink

It has to be bad. A Republican is currently not president.

ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 08:13 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUhrBBsNTTA

Uhh. Al Jourgensen is slowly turning into Lisa Bonet's grandmother.

benernienie taumaupin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 09:07 (five years ago) Permalink

I would like to hear the half-assed Killing Joke melodic bit in the chorus rescued from this song and put in a better one.

benernienie taumaupin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 09:08 (five years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

From the cheap laughs department:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/163310_10151744919665167_1837077591_n.jpg

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:02 (five years ago) Permalink

Top-rated YouTube commenter on 99 Percenters bringing harsh truths:

Wow.... Just.... Wow. Been a fan through all incarnations since '86. Seen them live a ton of times.. Probably my favorite band of all time. After watching this, ... I'm getting off the crazy train. I thought there were some good tracks on the album, but this just comes off as sheer fucking laziness. It was a great run Al, but please stay true to your word and put this band to bed. Fuck, I never thought I'd join the haters... But this does suck.

GunHed17 2 weeks ago 7

Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:07 (five years ago) Permalink

I have a copy of that doc that came out, "Fix" or "Fixed" or w/e...part of me is curious but the rest of me kinda knows this is a thing I probably don't need to watch

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 17:20 (five years ago) Permalink

A lot of mid-80s industrial is pretty hard to listen to - not because it's too harsh or gritty in the intended way, but because it uses lame mid-80s drum machines and transposed, key-triggered samples.

It sounds like a lot of these bands thought they sounded edgy and counter-cultural, but in retrospect it all sounds like Anne Dudley playing hookey with Ferris Bueller.

3×5, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 19:37 (five years ago) Permalink

what drum machines should they have been using instead? drum machines from the future?

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 19:42 (five years ago) Permalink

uhhhh Land Of Rape And Honey still pummels me in the face with "lame mid-80's drum machines" also 2) that's not the problem and b) RONG

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 20:57 (five years ago) Permalink

i LOVE lame mid 80s drum machines.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:10 (five years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Aww man. RIP. I was actually a fan of Rigor Mortis well before he joined Ministry, dude was pretty speedy.

flared bass (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 23 December 2012 23:32 (four years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

After not having paid any attention to a Ministry album since Psalm 69 turned me off for good I was mildly curious to hear the new (supposedly last ever) album after reading Al saying that parts of it were inspired by Adrian Sherwood and would put King Tubby to shame on the dub front. Needless to say King Tubby can rest in his grave without having to worry that his techniques have been usurped by Al and Sherwood must be chuckling into his mixing desk at how bad it is. The "dub" bits make No Doubt seem like Prince Far I at his heaviest in comparison. Cod dub!

stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:11 (four years ago) Permalink

haha at you falling for it and checking it out!

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:17 (four years ago) Permalink

There is never any compelling reason to listen to anything Ministry released after 1989.

Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:25 (four years ago) Permalink

yup, what a sucker! at least i maintain my *cough*youthful*cough* optimism / naiveté. xp

stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 17:31 (four years ago) Permalink

put King Tubby to shame on the dub front

this is just a shameful thing for anyone to claim

Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 18:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Well, King Tubby is dead, so maybe it's just a matter of parsing tense.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 18:31 (four years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Had no idea this was completed or released but man, some harrowing (heroin) stuff:

http://vimeo.com/91347991

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 October 2014 03:07 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

No matter how tempted you are, do not try and read Al's book.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:04 (two years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the warning. I'm always on the lookout for a good trashy drug band bio. What's bad about it?

american tail/american pie (how's life), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 17:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's bad. I can't even remember enough about it to pick it apart, but it was just...dull.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 18:16 (two years ago) Permalink

It's dull because it's full of bullshit stories (some of which are patently not true) only told to make Al the greatest bestest drug taker ever. An awful lot of them have something "nearly" happen and there's a preponderance of casual racism, homophobia and rape culture that is sometimes glorified but at a minimum glossed over and excused with another anecdote where he has a token gay or black friend (invariably who he never mentions again).

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 20:41 (two years ago) Permalink

i kind of almost enjoyed it even though i was fully aware it was BS. his treatise on economics at the end was complete and utter nonsense though; he patently thinks he's a lot smarter than he actually is or maybe he has genuinely fried his brain. i read chris connelly's book immediately after which is way better.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:10 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I read Chris Connelly's first but it seemed so skewed to making out Al was a complete dick that I thought I'd read this for balance. Instead it reinforces some of the conclusions you make from the other book.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:29 (two years ago) Permalink

everyone otm

don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 21:40 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

So this week, Ministry (via Cleopatra Records) posted a previously unreleased live album on Bandcamp. It's called Live Necronomicon, and it's about 85 minutes long - there's a double vinyl edition that may already be sold out, and then a digital version. No CDs. Anyway, according to this piece on Slicing Up Eyeballs, it's basically the raw tapes from In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up, with a few Jello Biafra spoken-word bits and a version of Revolting Cocks' "Stainless Steel Providers" excised. Note that In Case... had a lot of studio overdubs, which are absent here, making the music much more overtly metallic and placing the vocals a lot higher in the mix. The set list includes their covers of Public Image Ltd.'s "Public Image" and Skinny Puppy's "Smothered Hope," and versions of Pailhead's "No Bunny" and "Man Should Surrender" and Lard's "The Power of Lard" and "Hellfudge." It's really good, and worth your nine bucks.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 July 2017 01:55 (five months ago) Permalink

Chris Connelly lives by me. I see him all the time with his family, in full suburban dad mode.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 02:03 (five months ago) Permalink

Search: With Sympathy

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 13:03 (five months ago) Permalink


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