Ke$ha: Classic or Dud?

Why no Ke$ha thread? There's only Which Vaccuous Pop Irritant's "Influences" list is this?, and that one is chock full of gushing praise like "a whistleheaded pop irritant" and "i'm not surprised by her list, i'm surprised people actually listen to this hideous music she makes." and "Ke$ha's like a giant pile of crap on Mozart's face." THIS WILL NOT STAND!!!

Because I'm listening to Ke$ha's Animal album right now and I absolutely fucking love it. People go on and on about all the new girl pop stars out there, y'know the Katy Perrys, the Lady Gagas, the Hannah Montanas, the Avril Lavignes, the whoever it was that sang that "touch my man again and I'm-a fuck you up" song, but Ke$ha just destroys 'em. Destroys 'em! But you know what this album REALLY sounds like? (clears throat) "The Crush" by Annie!! (That was the non-album single she did with the Go-Gos revival sound where she sang "She don't know where to beGINNNNN!!") Ke$ha, obviously realizing what an awesome song that was, decided to make a whole album of "Crush"es. And "Tik Tok" is a GREAT SONG, people! I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" in "Party at a Rich Dude's House." But what say you, ILM?

I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!"

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/70538/normal_headdesk_medium.jpg

And in the Def Leppard have-a-catchy-chorus-and-then-have-an-even-catchier-chorus-as-the-refrain department, I count THREE catchy choruses in "Tik Tok":

1. "Pedicure on our TOES!! TOES!! Tryin' on all our CLOTHES!! CLOTHES!!..."
2. "Don't STOP. Make it POP. DJ blow my speakers UP. To-NIGHT..."
3. "Oh oh oh OH!! Oh oh oh OH!!"

"Tik Tok" is a great song for sure, and i'm slowly coming around on "Your Love Is My Drug"

destroy the song about the jukebox

SNRUB MOTIVATION 103

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt-OY-MzG-I

tlc 'no snrubs'

actual lols @ the YouTube, but end existence

But you know what this album REALLY sounds like? (clears throat) "My Humps" by The Black Eyed Peas!!

oops HTML fail

y'know the Katy Perrys, the Lady Gagas, the Hannah Montanas, the Avril Lavignes

not familiar w/ any of these groups. i take it their bandnames are ironic?

2010's crop of GvB-approved lolwave groups

I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!" I love it when she goes "oh oh oh OH!! oh oh oh OH!!" and I love it when she goes "Nuh-uh-uh-uh nuh nuh-nuh! NUH-NUH-NUH-NUH-NUHHH!!!!"

that looks nice

http://i.imgur.com/y37d4.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fucking brilliant.

http://avatarfarm.com/forum/forumimages/upsthisthreaddelivers.jpg

k$h

J0rdan $.

Mr. $nrub

dudes, i get that you don't like kesha but can you please step your game up? none of the posts in this thread have been at all funny, this is embarassing.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m242/axiemeluv/Smiley/smiley_embarrassed.png

I like Tik Tok actually. I think it's a decent pop song.

tlc 'no snrubs'

― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

ok i giggled here, but that's it

this thread can be nothing more than a cesspool of embarrassment, given the topic.

idk, i get image-bombing a thread like yesterday's but high-fiving each other while painfully humourlessly shitting all over a thread about a pop star with a recent #1 single stinks of not-the-kind-of-thing-i-post-on-ilm-for.

it's what a Lady Gaga thread would've looked like 15 months ago. gotta let it simmer a bit longer before you can wait for the tl;dr analysis and epic cultural debates to warm up.

to be fair, it's a fucking mr. snrub thread

i'm pretty much expecting that i'll like this album, i would listen to it sooner but i'm awash in albums that have leaked this week so it'll probably have to wait.

there's a lot of animosity towards Kesha, not just here, I kinda get it and I kinda don't. Musically she's a lot like Katy Perry who hasn't been on the receiving end of nearly as much haterade so I assume most of it comes from the fact that she dresses like a homeless 90s club kid that makes people hate her so much.

Dinosaur is probably my favorite song off her album but minus that horrible horrible ballad it's pretty solid.

"waking up in vegas" is better than any ke$ha song but "tik tok" is miiiiiiiiiiles better than any other KP joint -- perry's voice is just insufferable imo, and yes i find boilerplate autotune to be more pleasing

Kesha's joints are so stale it's like she has arthritis people. I mean come on.

My big question for Ke$ha, if I ever receive the honor to speak with her, would regard the 200+ songs that were recorded during the 7-year period while she was recording "Animal." I need to know if there's any way I can have a copy of the 10 worst songs from those sessions as I'm sure this would be a remarkable CD.

How do I get her management's contact info? I need this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaHjNUORHpU

If the dude on the left wasn't a douchebag, this would be funny.

did anyone ever stop and think maybe WE are the aliens?

srsly, Princeton Tiger. It's called a lavalier microphone. You can get a workable one for about $15. xxp

srsly!

is this ILM's entire Ke$ha chat?

It's sprinkled over several other threads as well; basically poke around at the female pop music threads and you're likely to see mention of her.

basically poke around at the female

strategy for life

http://awthum.com/2010/04/19/kesha-rips-off-how-i-quit-crack

dud btw

idk why people everywhere want to read "ke$ha chat" so badly. but since you ask

Which Vaccuous Pop Irritant's "Influences" list is this?

from here down on So, it's 11 days into 2010; what records are worth worth buying / hearing / downloading?

jukeboxing at http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=1988

but come on she is neither good nor interesting!

LOCK THREAD

otm

i have heard a couple of songs of hers that i like a lot: Dinosaur and Backstabber. Tik Tok is ok

tik tok is kind of a top heavy song for me

If only someone would mash up Justice's "The Party" with Kylie's "Love At First Sight" .. Sounds like a hit to me.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/04/first-amendment-left-intact/

ok small point of order here:

On the broader question of what categories of expression should be put outside the First Amendment’s protection, Justice Alito argued that “crush videos” should not be shielded “because they are so closely linked with violent criminal conduct,” which itself gets no constitutional protection. He wrote: “The videos record the commission of violent criminal acts, and it appears that these crimes are committed for the sole purpose of creating the videos.” And, he added, Congress had before it “compelling evidence” that the only way to prevent the crime of animal cruelty was to target the sale of the videos — a perception that, Alito suggested, seemed to have been proven when the passage of the 1999 law led within a few years to destruction of the “crush video industry,” only to have it revive after the Third Circuit struck down that law.

i thought "crush videos" were entirely legendary??

tik tok is kind of a top heavy song for me

xpost: what does this mean, surm?

it means that the 1st verse is much more exciting to me than the 2nd verse, which just kind of floats away

Wait, so Ke$ha makes crush videos?

like, i mainly put it on to hear her say "clothes" and "phones"

the chorus is functional but not as ecstatic as it was probably intended to be, imho

is she dead yet?

i thought "crush videos" were entirely legendary??

― goole, Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i actually saw one embedded in a "post this if you think this is wrong" myspace chain letter many years ago, no joke. it was a woman stepping on a puppy to death. maybe it was simulated but it didn't look like it was.

i didn't realize what it was until a few seconds into it..it was needless to say totally disturbing and soul crushing.

so...back to waking up and feeling like P Diddy

sole crushing

http://badbanana.typepad.com/weblog/images/2008/04/20/5.jpg

Beatweek readers are still offering widely split opinions on what to make of Kesha’s recent avant garde Saturday Night Live performance of Tik Tok and Your Love Is My Drug – but the sales charts say she’s doing just fine. Her debut album Animal, which was released in January and debuted at #1 on the Billboard Top Ten chart, has been catapulted back up into the top top, currently at #8. http://www.beatweek.com/news/4598-kesha-helped-on-charts-by-snl-performance/

Her metallic outfit and cape for "Tik Tok" and her black body suit covered in florescent paint for "Your Love" I guess constitutes avante-garde. Or maybe she's just going for a more MOR Lady Gaga approach.

aw jeez not "gaga is so edgy" again

maybe I'm just swayed by that influences list that annoyed Alex, but the visual stuff in her SNL performance just looked to me like a grab-bag of stuff you might get from, like, MGMT, Sia, Flaming Lips, old Daft Punk videos, etc.

(The performance struck me as terrible -- I like "Tik Tok" okay, I guess, and it just seemed like one of those moments where the pop star comes out seeming lifeless and silly and going-through-the-motions, totally unable to back up whatever feeling the recording created. Which is kinda embarrassing, since you could probably find someone in any given karaoke bar who could pull that song off better.)

It wasn't avant garde.. it was embarrassing. I felt bad for her. It looked like she was making a joke out of herself. Very awkward and uncomfortable.

Re: the Kesha music influences list.

It really isn't too surprising when you consider (and this culled from good friend Wikipedia) a) her parents are/were in the music business b) she's from L.A., specifically the Valley c) her family wasn't wealthy d) she was actually pretty studious and academic in high school

It really isn't too different from the filmmakers who grew up in the Valley, watched every movie at their local video store, and then later went on to have success as a director (Burton, P.T. Anderson, to name two)

Tik-Tok was straight-up Jean-Michel Jarre Rendez-Vous Houston steez, from the astronauts to the laser-harp. I dig Ke$ha - it's like Rayanne Graff being voted prom queen.

I mentioned "her family wasn't wealthy" because kids don't care to consume all that much from pop and entertainment's past i.e. do their homework, when they come from a wealthy entertainment background. xpost

Her music sounds like Uffie for people who shop at Walmart.

i really think you're on to something!

Beatweek readers are still offering widely split opinions on what to make of Kesha’s recent avant garde Saturday Night Live performance of Tik Tok and Your Love Is My Drug – but the sales charts say she’s doing just fine. Her debut album Animal, which was released in January and debuted at #1 on the Billboard Top Ten chart, has been catapulted back up into the top top, currently at #8. http://www.beatweek.com/news/4598-kesha-helped-on-charts-by-snl-performance/

Her metallic outfit and cape for "Tik Tok" and her black body suit covered in florescent paint for "Your Love" I guess constitutes avante-garde. Or maybe she's just going for a more MOR Lady Gaga approach.

― curmudgeon, Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:16 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sure is amazing how her SNL performances boosted her sales for the week that ended right before the performance. it was just that good!

lots of people also like heroin.

Ke$ha reminds me of myself at age 8 wrapping a towel around my back and talking about martians on Saturday Night Live.

I dig Ke$ha - it's like Rayanne Graff being voted prom queen.

― solid yet bouncy (herb albert), Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

yea i wouldn't give her that much credit

i saw her on snl and there were aspects that reminded me of Avenue D and others that were GaGa, but she was like a cheaper, less confident version of each and I don't like those people to begin with.

I knew a kid who came to the high school talent show in Adam Ant make-up and sang a karaoke version of a pink song. Some people called him fag, most just felt embarrassed for even being in the same room. That's about how I felt on Saturday.

i just thought it was retarded and funny.

ugh i haven't seen this shit, do i have to

the "tik tok" performance is honestly sad -- not sure how anyone could think otherwise -- it's not even self-conscious enough -- middle school talent show is about right...

the second performance is whatever

she was like a cheaper, less confident version of each

that's pretty much it right there

oh LOL it's not THAT bad, it's just like, hi it's me in a cape singing my ok song (!!)

the chorus is functional but not as ecstatic as it was probably intended to be, imho

― la senora (surm), Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

goes pretty big on "blow my speakers up tonight," no? the rest of the album suffers from this, though. it's sad, you can hear them trying to pull of these blasting pop chorus but it never really gets there.

ramzi :D

the chorus is functional but not as ecstatic as it was probably intended to be, imho

― la senora (surm), Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

if this is about "your love is my drug" it's otm -- i was definitely thinking... "this is trying to be massive... it feels massive... but it's just kind of flat..."

i hated that song the first time i heard it, and yeah, it is kind of tepid, but i like it

it's about Tik Tok, xp. i just don't want to listen to it as much as it seems to want me to.

bonus points for the seemingly random "i like your beard!"

"blah blah blah" is way better -- i was disappointed that she didn't do that

really???

for me it's "Tik ToK" > "Your Love Is My Drug" > "Blah Blah Blah"

yeah -- the "your love is my drug" hook is so conventional -- it's like bad natasha beningfield or something

at least "blah blah blah" shoves its wretched twat in your face with no remorse

i'm telling you u should listen to leighton meester's "your love's a drug"

http://www.apuritansmind.com/images/MiscImages/hell2.jpg

Nicely done.

there's a lot of animosity towards Kesha, not just here, I kinda get it and I kinda don't. Musically she's a lot like Katy Perry who hasn't been on the receiving end of nearly as much haterade so I assume most of it comes from the fact that she dresses like a homeless 90s club kid that makes people hate her so much. [...]

― musically, Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:48 PM Bookmark

I sorta think this is basically accurate (the vexation heaped on "homeless 90s club kid" look-and-feel) but to be fair, Katy Perry got/gets plenty of haterade on ILM! It's been a while but I seem to recall the original I Kissed A Girl thread throwing down some real negativity.

I think Ke$ha's problems boil down to, the songs are pretty good but the persona is galling. Right? Like, I want my dumb party pop songs to come from people who sound like you'd actually want to party with them. Except to the extent that Ke$ha is constantly promising casual sex in the near future, I can't imagine wanting to hang out with her - - - she comes off as loud, brassy in a bad way, full of herself, convinced she's funnier than she is, etc.... I mean these are basically the reasons I'm not so drawn to hang out with most 20-year-olds these days but really, her self-builtbrand is "sleazy, drunken moron." Sidekick version of Fergie on "London Bridge." Is it really surprising that there are people that this doesn't appeal to?

Also, I mean, the "$."

(This is all just going on the songs/videos - haven't seen any interviews or anything like that.)

http://imgur.com/FBjfV.jpg

blitzkreig tok?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg1qkChBCM

Example's cover of Tik Tok

:-(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg1qkChBCMc

oh LOL it's not THAT bad, it's just like, hi it's me in a cape singing my ok song (!!)

― la senora (surm), Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:18 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

new cape of good hope board description

still don't know how/why these exist, but the cooly g and untold remixes of "tik tok" lift the original out of "unlistenable garbage" into "interesting curio" territory (if not "actually amazing") - both are prob on autopilot-for-pay but it just shows how far you can go after a) removing some of the unnecessary autotune b) an actually interesting beat rather than rudimentary electrocrap c) treating ke$ha's vocals so that they're actually ON the beat rather than lurching around it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeQbV48gwTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqH8KiD8hjk

god the wolf howls annoy the fuck out of me though

that example cover is terrible but actually better than the original

what's frustrating is that i genuinely think there's an effective, fun club banger hiding inside that song - it just needs to be played totally straight and robo-diva-voiced. where are the PCDs when you need 'em.

Predicting you will have done a complete volte-face on Ke$ha in 12 months' time.

that will be up to her innit. 100% sure i won't have done a volte-face on anything she's released to date - nothing even has the earworm factor that eg "poker face" did when i still hated it

Predicting you will have done a complete volte-face on Ke$ha in 12 months' time.

― Matt DC, Friday, April 23, 2010 11:20 AM Bookmark

for a second read this as some sexual euphemism i wasn't familiar with

Xpost the literal middle school talent show video of Kesha singing "Karma Police" is actually less awkward than "Tik Tok" on SNL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIHDGDzVwK4

cracked up at the pronunciation of "keh dollar sign ha" on SNL last night

I've been laying low cause I figured I wore out my Ke$ha-love welcome on the "worth it" thread, but she is SO CLASSIC. Here's my recent review at Burnside Writers' Collective. I quoted Lex and ILXOR! Also agree with Doctor Casino above, "I can't imagine wanting to hang out with her." And yet...

i get this weird canadian vibe from her

is it shaped like a maple leaf?

the johnny rotten and guns'n'roses comparisons make so much sense to me. they fucking suck too, and in similar ways.

nah it's like when i remember traveling to canada a long time ago and watching that Much Music station...i think they have to play a certain amount of canadian artists, so there were all these groups that totally seemed like popular artists but something was just...off...slightly

like they seemed like the mr.pibbs to the u.s. groups' dr. pepper....sorta like that robin sparkles character on how i met your mother

when i first saw ke$sha's video it seemed like canada trying to make a modern post britney/gaga/xtina/LA clusterfuck club scene type pop star

;_; I thought that was a pretty good vibrator joke

hahahaha i'm just dumb dude, don't worry

oh yeah Our Lady Peace, that was one of the groups i was trying to think of

i get this weird canadian vibe from her

I thought you were saying this because her voice she reminds you of "it's like Rayaaaaain onyer wedding day, it's the free riiiiiiiiiii--" type stuff

nah it's like when i remember traveling to canada a long time ago and watching that Much Music station...i think they have to play a certain amount of canadian artists, so there were all these groups that totally seemed like popular artists but something was just...off...slightly

at first i didn't know what you were getting at w/ the canadian thing, but now that you explain it like that, i think you're OTM. it like she's going through the motions of being a big artist, when she's not really at that point yet.

there's a show on much right now called "disband," where they take a canadian band, make them work with a songwriter/producer in order to prep a song of theirs for a performance. they play that song live in front of said judges (mostly industry reps), and then they are told whether or not they should remain a band. it's quite entertaining to watch, but the bands that "win" go on to minor successes, and now there are around 2-3 that are just bombarding the airwaves. it's awful, because all they did was win a contest, but because they're canadian, they get an amount of play on the radio and on tv that's on par with some of the biggest american acts.

Cancon, Canadian content -- that requirement, I mean, whereby a certain amount of Canadian acts have to be aired/broadcast.

borntohula otm.

wait tik tok was US number one for NINE weeks??

tik tok don't stop

they seemed like the mr.pibbs to the u.s. groups' dr. pepper.

Mr Pibbs has a wicked sour cherry flavour that's totally off the chain. Never had the original.

Oh, wait, was this thread about something?

i get the Canadian vibe too but assumed it was a deliberate meta-Degrassi 80s reference, like she's one of Dylan's slutty girlfriends from Fifteen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mzL56ZRXYc

o ffs

Simpsons lipsync tiktok

haha wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR_qa3Ohwls

okay, so the song's kinda insubstantial but i'm finding it hard to hate on this - - can basically accept ke$ha as high school radiohead nerd that secretly believes her spirit animal is a mermaid from Yellow Submarine.

Ke$sha's like a MadTV version of a pop star

also she's tall

i like the elephant

All fartin hearts out its nose.

i really don't like kesha's voice i find that it makes me want to vomit

This is K-classic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB7QPCCwui8

kla$sic

I submit. As of now, I'm fully committed to Animal and Cannibal both, whenever I'm not halted by listening to "We R Who We R" on a loop.

so apparently I heard Tik Tok a million times last year but never realized it was Ke$ha. The chorus is irresistible but god CHICK QUIT FAUX-RAPPING U SUK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1_CUYFODSk

this is one of the most aesthetically bankrupt mp3s of all time

Dunno, glitter on the floor is p hardcore.

feel sad for millionaires that their innovations were so quickly co-opted and sullied by mnstrmrs like k3$h

Ke$ha might be attractive if she didn't resemble Daryl Hannah's character from Clan of the Cave Bear

omg Take It Off is terrible. why would anybody think co-opting the generic snake charmer melody+auto-tune = a pop classic?

that song is just embarrassing. it sounds like a cut from the soundtrack to a disney channel original movie... or maybe nickelodeon.

really adore the class-war lyrics for "sleazy", particularly the following boast: WE TAKE THE DRINKS FROM YOUR TABLE WHEN YOU GET UP AND LEAVE 'EM

insane story here.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,741667,00.html

The "shouts" and "drops," the personal greetings from the stars, were as important as the money. The boy from Wesel insists that he never blackmailed a star, and so does Deniz. But the police are looking into charges of coercion, at least in the case of DJ Stolen. After all, he once bragged online that he had "blackmailed" singer Marques Houston, just like all the others who "sent me a shout." Now Deniz has changed his tune, saying that he was just showing off, and that none of it was true.

But how else is one to interpret what he wrote to US pop starlet Ke$ha? He also hacked into her computer, where he found photos of a breast operation, along with other photos that could destroy a career in the United States.

"Hey this is DJ Stolen from Germany. I just wanna let you know that i love you so fucking much," he wrote, adding that it would be nice to get a shout from her. Ke$ha apparently quickly understood how dangerous the situation was. This DJ Stolen had discovered her secret e-mail address, which meant that he might even have access to everything that was in her mailbox. Her response reflected her concern. Sure, she wrote, she would love to record a shout for him, as long as he didn't do anything with her private photos. "We should be friends," she wrote, adding: "i'll send you whatever drops as soon as you need em! What exactly do you want them to say?" Deniz A. replied: "Yo whatup you already know it's ya girl Kesha and I'm in love with my boy --- DJ Stolen." In return, he promised to keep her photos to himself. But just in case she tried to find him, he added, he had enough material to embarrass her in front of the whole world.

http://www.myspace.com/djstolenmusic/music/playlists/dj-stolen-s-playlist-1163758

HOLY FUCK

crazy, right?

great story, actually gives immense credibility to when artists/producers have claimed that their emails were hacked

artists/producers are gonna have to start sending each other beats/unfinished tracks on cassette

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1KwiO8s-hg

not sure how any scandal could destroy a pop star's career, isn't that basically the new launching point?

the pictures were of kesha eating puppies

Video for "Blow" is so monumentally great I think I want to die now.

link???

good to see one of these pop stars with a transparently ridiculous persona show that she's in on the joke. Awesome video.

http://tinyurl.com/63x58nn

She was pretty, er, incredible last night. Show involves everything from fake blood to penis costumes to smashing pinatas. Kids went batshit. I sat next to pretty heavy-hitter industry VIPs, who said the "heat" on Ke$ha was nuts right now. "Heat" being a euphemism for number of people trying to get tickets. But most of all she was having such a blast it was hard to hate on her. Oh, she sang, too. Dropped most of the autotune trickery live. Now, she doesn't have much of a voice, but at least she made an effort, and the songs were much less annoying live than they are on record. Encore was "Fight For Your Right to Party" rapped by a guy dressed like Santa while Ke$ha and her dancers smashed said pinata.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFWX0hWCbng

okay this video is GREAT

who's the actor? he looks vaguely familiar but i dont read celeb/gossip blogs so....

http://tinyurl.com/686aomo

loooool thanks

didn't see him fucking in the video tho

www.interviewmagazine.com/music/kesha/

Kla$$ic

okay she's kind of funny

dead link...

c+p dude. you're really having trouble today.

O_o

It would've been nice for Alex to past the FULL link instead of starting with the "www" but whatevs.

http://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/kesha/

i hope benny benassi is getting royalties for that synth line

Sorry. I wasn't paying attention. My apologies to everyone.

I blame Google Chrome for randomly not showing "http://"; in the browser bar.

But seriously, guys.

"I don’t even think of myself as a quote, unquote star—that’s really douchey. I think of myself as just like . . . a dance commander."
"Tying into the whole animal theme, I am a diver, and this barracuda tried to eat me once"
"I went yesterday to a past-life regressionist, and he told me that in my past life I was assassinated. I’m pretty sure that I was JFK in my past life"
"And when I make out with a dude who has a beard—who are the only kinds of dudes I make out with—then my glitter gets stuck in their beards, and then no other chick will make out with them for at least three days."

so how many ilxors are immediately starting to grow beards?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of2WzZx9AhA
kesha isn't even capable of original thought even when babbling stupidity

It is pretty funny that she claims Nashville Skyline as her all time favorite album.

She then compares leaving glitter in dudes' beards with pissing on them.

she's kind of a ridiculous human being but just the very idea of THIS happening:
KE$HA: At this point, I’m more interested in a recent postcard conversation I’ve engaged in with David Spade.

Domestic Jaguar Dance Commander = my new band name.

DIEHL: What are the responsibilities of a dance commander?

KE$HA: You have to have dance parties all day and night, and you always have to be excited about having a dance party.

Ke$ha W.K.

omg that video... perhaps the first non-turd video she has done. song is not very good though :(

Saw this posted from a behind the scenes source:

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/180414_1871637713882_1329310314_32210738_1127822_n.jpg

The caption was "could this have been the whole $how?"

Expanded comment zinged that the set takes up a semi and the music takes up a hard-drive. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

welcome to 2011...

"I sat next to pretty heavy-hitter industry VIPs"

#humblebrag

Ha, right. It was just a weird circumstance (that I didn't find out about til afterwards; I wouldn't have known the identity of these dudes otherwise) that I brought up to stress how much the music industry has invested in this particular pop star.

The whole title of her remix album is taken here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwfKZ-1jyiw

That photo of two Macbooks is dead on. Ke$ha is probably some exclusive brand of Vocaloid.

Video for "Blow" is so monumentally great I think I want to die now.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, February 25, 2011 2:40 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is pretty OTM

definite classic, best popstar around atm

what's she up to now? i thought there'd at least be a single from her ep after "blow" but she's been somewhat absent

She is, as they say, on tour.

prego, stop trolling.

she recorded a track with alice cooper, i think?

xp I like the "Blow" video just fine because it's so weird, but "monumentally great" is far from OTM

theres an album coming out next year according to dr luke, xp

im not trolling brainwasher, i actually like her music

ya ke$ha is definitely my favorite artist of the past few years. ilx seems to be the only place i go on the internet where there aren't at least a few music writer nerds going on about her greatness, so it's weird to see ppl responding w incredulity etc.

ilx seems to be the only place i go on the internet where there aren't at least a few music writer nerds going on about her greatness

proud of ilx

ke$ha remains relentlessly unlistenable. her vooooooiiiiiiice. nails, blackboard.

at first i agreed 100%, and then something turned and her voice is one of my favorites. that's not much of a phenomenon though. i do think pop history will look very kindly on her in time.

I couldn't stand her originally. Now I have no idea what bugged me about her - I think she's a great pop star and she distracts me from Katy Perry. Cute freckles, too.

lol at how people finally realize how great she is as she releases her most mediocre single

XP yes her voice sucks, but her music doesn't call for an amazing voice.. and she doesn't pretend to be an amazing singer. finally a female pop-star who doesn't release sappy ballads every 3rd single.

best punk in ages

billstevejim otm

it's not about her voice being technically unamazing or whatever, it's just fucking grating

when will people realise that saying "x is the new punk" is a dead-end of an argument? punk sucked and was irredeemably unlistenable, ke$ha also sucks and is irredeemably unlistenable, yes, i agree

i think i'm lost lex and maybe i missed your point. saying "punk sucked" isn't dead end?

punk is massively more important for how it changed the way ppl approached music than it is for the perceived quality of the music it produced, so dismissing it with "punk sucked" doesn't actually work if you want to have a serious conversation

god i have party at a rich dude's house in my head and it makes me so happy

lex, k's voice occasionally lacks the "grating"ness esp in her ballads, though her ballads are typically her worst ones. her voice is actually v versatile (even without autotune!) and she has some impressive range.

do her vox in "animal" bother you? they're pretty pretty, very clean, and the song is fantastic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBGCSTvLdNE

also "c u next tuesday" is as vocally non-grating as it gets tho the song as a whole isn't v good. "the harold song" is her best ballad (one of her best songs imo) but the chorus gets screamy. the verses are still wonderful and make me tear up. i'm trying to find a good comparison to what her voice sounds like/what she does with it when she gets softer, but all i can think of is "celtic." i know there's a point of reference somewhere but it's not coming to me.

would be remiss to forget "stephen" if we're talking about clean vox, but i know you hate the autotune.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxixx9xVqF1qzmvroo1_500.jpg

New single is here:

http://soundcloud.com/keshafans/ke-ha-die-young-full

Good, but nothing really new.

this is dope

the pre-chorus is better than the actual chorus

Gone already :(

the lyric video is on youtube

never get tired of urls that turn her name into 'ke-ha'

official lyric videos are getting so weirdly slick and expensive-looking

i mean she's even in there lip syncing here and there

yeah that sorta seems to defeat the purpose

song is terrible, farrah abraham stole her swag

It's not terrible, it's okay. Just seems like rehashed Kesha on autopilot, though.

if you stay away for that long and come back with something that boring as your lead single, the bar is raised to the point that mediocre is terrible

yeah, this song is just okay. i can't help but think that black sabbath with dio have already mastered a "die young" song

i am not enthusiastically one way or the other for this yet... perhaps a music video will tip the scales

altho yes, i am a little underwhelmed compared to expectations for a lead single

this just sounds like another Dr. Luke track. was Dr. Luke involved with "Good Feeling"? it sounds like that. somewhat surprising that lack of prominent autotune neither works for or against it.

anyway, it's kind of nice.

hmmm yes, it does sound like "good feeling" -- which dr. luke did produce

Kind of reminds me of Starships, which is probably the only song of the last year or so that will get more play at DC gay places than this.

Heard the new one for the first time on the radio today right after that awful Owl City/CRJ song. It started off sounding basically exactly the same, and then there was a chorus about dying young and I was like whaaa and then I realized it was Ke$ha and it was almost like an antidote to the song I had just heard. I like it.

i don't expect a sophomore album's lead single to a pop album to ever break new ground, though this doesn't sound quite like her other big leads

luke and co seem totally uninspired tho with that dance breakdown. love the verses, reminds me of fall out boy in a way

I think the chorus is pretty good. The verses sound like "Starships" and "Wild Ones".

http://jezebel.com/5946786/keha-on-having-sex-with-a-ghost-i-had-sex-with-a-ghost?tag=dirt-bag

i was long since won over to "classic" but mannnn

hahahahahahahaha

also, URL of the year

lol

Everything about the URL is perfect ("tag=dirt-bag" prob my favourite unexpected ending), I'm not going to spoil it by reading the article.

i really, really like "die young"

when "Teenage Dream" came out I thought the "dance until we die" bit could've made a good refrain for a song on its own, but I didn't think it actually would be recycled on another Dr. Luke track years later

so i think this has finally leaked in full

"c'mon" is pretty great

yeah, it's all pretty great? disappointed in the lyrics changes in the final version of the song with the strokes but that's some a++ indiebro trolling.

lot more mixing up her K$ party side and the 'animal'-type stuff within songs, but overall it's a pretty solid album, i think.

much better than i expected after 'die young' (which has already grown on me, so, you know)

i'm not listening to the leaks but please tell me she didn't change the 'dancing with my hand' line

:(

my favourite verse is indeed gone. sigh.

i don't think you understand / i've been dancing with my hand / now i think i need a man RIP

i sing it overtop the current version.

the new instrumentation is pretty boss though.

NOOOOOOO that was the best and i just knew that was going to happen

"Only Wanna Dance With You" is NYC circa 2002 way too late.

i guess "love into the light" is like her doing a ballad? sorta shocking but i really like it

this album overall is p good

i think people are afraid to admit to like ke$ha for some reason, she is less respectable than other pop stars. but Warrior is really solid. c'mon, especially, is pretty awesome. it captures adolescent "yearning" much better than any of the katy perry songs that, i think, go for a similar effect. the problem is that every ke$ha song has at least a few especially dumb lyrics that don't succeed in being charming. good thing i am able to zone out and not hear the lyrics pretty easily...

cmon, all that matters, love into the light = stone cold classics

i love c'mon (set me free ke$ha) but most of warrior was really disappointing for me. "gold trans am"'s fun. loved all the stuff on the debut/ep about being poor: "we take the drinks from the tables when you get up and leave em", etc.. loved the b-side about wanting to fuck her history teacher.

taylor swift's ke$ha isn't as fun as her paramore.

"Gold Trans Am" is the only I kept.

"this song makes me want to have sex in my car"... gold trans am is classic. and yeah, i mean, obviously the album is dodgy and inconsistent. i have a bad habit of declaring an album "good" or "solid" if it has more than three songs i like on it, which leads to confusion sometimes.

Her music sounds like Uffie for people who shop at Walmart.

― the muddy waters of donk (Display Name), Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:12 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i really think you're on to something!

― artie flange (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:13 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is response hof, btw

"C'Mon" was the first single i liked, also her first to miss the top 10. i think she's maybe done.

things are looking pretty desperate -- her next single has had will.i.am tacked onto it for the single edit

also yeah, the new album did basically nothing for me the first time i heard it (when it was streaming before release). i think i liked the greg kurstin track toward the end and then "c'mon". radio play and social situations have kind of (barely) warmed me up to "die young" but otherwise the album was a disappointment and i haven't listened to it again since that first time

Fucking classic just for Tik Tok

agreed

http://www.avclub.com/articles/keha-drank-her-own-pee-on-tv-and-the-parents-telev,98099/

<3

piss test is not the same as cinnamon challenge, news at 11

markers alert

ke$ha asks herself aloud - "where would you go if today the world ended? and they were like you have an hour before the world ends, 1 hour?"

ke$ha answers - "i would go to 7-11"

i watched an episode of ke$ha's show and unfortunately it was painful

http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/stop-the-presses/does-ke-stage-show-rip-off-residents-193446304.html

from ke$ha to ke-ha to ke. like Ye.

(statements that will confuse time travelers)

Can't wait for Ke$hu$ tbh.

i keep getting offers from LivingSocial every day for half price tickets for a club show she's got coming up

usually a sign things aren't selling too well. i remember Guns N Roses' last hockey arena show had a groupon or something....but i guess i thought ke$sha was relevant with today's kool teens and shit? who knows.

Ke$ha: Relevant With Today's Kool Teens or Shit?

who knows

i would go to a half-price ke$ha club show

"this song makes me want to have sex in my car"... gold trans am is classic.

god yes.

picked up the deluxe edition of 'warrior' today for a couple of coins, along with the veronicas debut album, not knowing the connection, and that track totally hits the spot.

i love c'mon (set me free ke$ha) but most of warrior was really disappointing for me. "gold trans am"'s fun. loved all the stuff on the debut/ep about being poor: "we take the drinks from the tables when you get up and leave em", etc.. loved the b-side about wanting to fuck her history teacher.

taylor swift's ke$ha isn't as fun as her paramore.

― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:13 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just typed this exact post again almost verbatim except for the now-cryptic thing about taylor swift, glad i scrolled up during final pre-flight check

i did love the one about wanting to fuck the history teacher. ke$ha was much more interesting to me around that time... i guess it's possible she could start doing interesting things again now that she is 'reinventing herself' by dropping the $

holy shit http://www.stereogum.com/1711602/kesha-suing-dr-luke-for-sexual-assault-and-emotional-abuse/news/

omg!
wow.

Those allegations are crazy. I believe her.

didn't dr luke call her a refrigerator? i believe her.

agreed

and also, she is incredibly brave for pursuing this

jesus

ugh hope she's well

a refrigerator? meaning?

A refrigerator is large and bulky

Holds food

Is cool

Defensive lineman.

anyway who cares
i believe her

this lawsuit is going to get ugly fast

yeah they're really going to drag her thru the mud aren't they

also given the nature of her songs there is going to be a lot of "she liked it!" type comments coming from all over the place

I really don't want to see how this plays out because it is going to be so horrible. If her case is unsucessful it's likely that it's going to make so many victims reconsider coming forward.

I... can't, with this. But I wish her all the success in the world with her case. What she's been through sounds horrifying enough, (but yeah, I cringe at what's to come.)

luke countersuing & claiming extortion

But in Luke’s lawsuit … he says the pack of lies is being engineered by Kesha’s mother, Pebe, and Kesha’s new management firm. Luke claims Kesha tried to extort him by threatening to spread lies about him to a blogger who started a “Free Kesha” website unless he released her from her recording contract.

And Luke says in his lawsuit he’s had a copy of a draft of Kesha’s new abuse lawsuit for months, and she was threatening to file it if he didn’t release her. In other words, he’s alleging more extortion.

Yeah that did get ugly fast. Kesha's claims seem believable, though, and if they're true it'd be interesting to learn if this was part of a pattern of nasty behavior from Dr. Luke.

I have a lot of respect for Kesha. It seems like she's making a concerted effort to clean herself up, fix the things that are making her unhealthy and unhappy, etc, and that's hard for somebody to do in her position. Seems like this is part of that push so I wish her the best

So what if she was trying to leverage anything out of this if it's true. If it is true, this guy needs to be in cuffs.

also people unable to distinguish between an artist's stage persona and an artist's basic human needs and rights are the worst people

xp will be curious if this gets pursued criminally, seems like there would need to be more/some? hard evidence

Most of these allegations seem hard to prove but (speculation) winning the lawsuit might not be Kesha's goal here; Luke's lawyers are alleging she's just trying to escape her contract with him—which, if any of these allegations are true, who could blame her

if she wants out she should let him go, clearly there can't be a working relationship anymore so if she's suing to get out of her deal that must mean that he's being unnecessarily vindictive in either asking her to fork over a bunch of money and/or threatening to hold her career hostage. seems like supporting evidence in her favor imo.

A far cry from a mentor, Dr. Luke displayed despicable conduct in front of Ms. Sebert. Specifically, Dr. Luke would boast and brag to Ms. Sebert about how he liked to take girls out on a first date and "___" them in the ass."

Yeah, J0rdan otm. I don't know the details of her contract, but one of the many reasons I'm inclined to believe her is that her partnership with Luke has been so fruitful (and his production/songwriting has been so key to her success) that I don't think there's sound business logic for splitting from him. Splitting from him to escape an unhealthy situation makes more sense; she's burning a very lucrative bridge

It would be ironic if Dr Luke of all people tried to use her lyrics against her in the media perceptions battle - though probably still unsurprising.

incidentally, here is the actual complaint https://www.scribd.com/doc/242979442/Kesha-Complaint

for some reason that really set me off
i want him to burn

there's aspects of this that are, at the very least, disturbingly surreal - that her mom would be sharing songwriting credits with a guy she knew raped her daughter, that you'd do a whole "hey let me make an album with the flaming lips, whatever happened to creative freedom" campaign and then reveal two years later that the stakes were far more horrifying. but even if only 10% of the accusations were true, this guy should be in prison.

def wish that she had gone to an emerg rm rather than as she sez in the complaint that she needed 2

this thread is like some kind of creepy game of controversy chess where people are getting fired up about theoretical things that could happen three steps ahead of the current state of affairs

Not only that but for some reason it made me really personally enraged

She was only a high school kid when she met him.

this thread is like some kind of creepy game of controversy chess where people are getting fired up about theoretical things that could happen three steps ahead of the current state of affairs

― some dude, Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:51 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Maybe because there's a precedent for those theoretical things?

I don't think it's much of a theoretical stretch to predict that this is going to get ugly fast

sure. but the specificity. "someone will bring up her lyrics. maybe Dr. Luke! but that would be ironic...but it could still happen!"

Maybe Dr. Luke's medical license will be revoked.

^^Guilty lol. So guilty.

Depressing and credible.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/keshas-cries-for-help?bftw&utm_term=4ldqpfp#2ip23e7

This is a bummer because I like a lot of Dr. Luke's stuff (including what he did with Ke$ha) and now I feel like this instantly ruins it for me.

Dr. Luke has worked with A LOT of artists in the past 15 years. I haven't heard any others coming out and defending his honor, which is pretty telling.

on the one hand I really, really don't want come of as if I'm taking the position of "wait what if this is FAKE," but I've got to say, I really hate the "this unreleased song/released song/song written for someone else is DEFINITELY about X!" trope because it is pure confirmation bias.

unnecessary clickbait conspiracy-mongering, glad buzzfeed could make some money off everyone's doubt

http://gawker.com/keshas-lawyer-dr-luke-was-the-producer-who-raped-lady-1666133713

The title cuts it off, but it says Lady Gaga.

I feel icky about someone else putting a name on the man who raped Lady Gaga instead of Gaga doing it herself, but the m.o. fits.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

As was said many times upthread, this is going to get extremely ugly.

dude may v well just be trying to drum up publicity for his own case but even so now i'm thinking about ke$ha's case again & am really sad

this is pretty gross:

After the news of that alleged assault broke, Geragos invited his Twitter followers to "guess who the rapist was" and "#namethepervert." When someone guessed Dr. Luke, Geragos replied "#bingo."

Yeah, I should've read the whole article before blindly linking it. This guy is a weasel.

yeah it seems really professionally irresponsible too, esp for like a good (?) 57 yr old lawyer

makes me think he has some evidence or something abt it but not sure what it'd be other than gaga confirming

he is disgusting

all involved are disgusting except ke$ha and gaga, basically

he is dr puke

this did inspire me to listen to warrior for the first time in a while tho and i totally stand by this being one of 2012's top 20 albums

*by it

its almost def in my top twenty of 2010-14, lot of jams

won tickets to see her surprise show @ black cat tmo, freaking out

well "surprise" for a pop star i guess

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/judge-wont-let-kesha-escape-867571

ugh. really horrible.

god, awful

Ugggh. I thought this was over and done with as of a week or 2 ago. :(

this is still in effect, right? if so, uh, here's your answer to why sony did what it did http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/doug-morris-dr-luke-sony-258729

(also, this sucks)

does the preliminary injunction thing mean that she can still win the case in the long run? someone smart help me out here.

Kind of. The preliminary injunction would have allowed her to record elsewhere (i.e., not for Sony) while the case is still pending. The underlying case, for rape/abuse etc., she can conceivably still win. Though there are also counterclaims against her, for defamation/extortion, etc., that she could theoretically lose.

Her argument in favor of the injunction, though, was that the window for success in pop music is so narrow that to delay recording opportunities is effectively to deny them.

"commercially reasonable" ughhh

katherine in that 2011 link you posted it says that sony's deal with dr luke is a five-year one, which means that it must be up for renewal...this year? could that affect anything?

My understanding is that, while the five-year deal awarded Sony exclusive rights to Dr. Luke's work as a producer, that division of Sony (Kemosabe) is basically his to run indefinitely. Allowing him to start producing for nonSony artists again (if that happens) is not likely to affect Kesha's contract.

Not that I support the decision, but I think the judge was in a difficult place here. If there isn't any evidence that Dr. Luke committed a crime, granting Kesha the preliminary injunction sets a terrible precedent and is essentially saying that all an artist has to do to get out of a contract they don't like is to allege an assault.

I hate the outcome because the bar to proving assault for women is already impossibly high. But I think Geragos didn't help matters by dragging Lady Gaga into this – that's a disclosure for Lady Gaga to make, not a celebrity lawyer.

Whole thing is ugly. Hopefully more evidence comes out or other women to support Kesha's case.

do judges in cases like this really set precedents, though? i'm not a lawyer and i have no idea how shit works but it just reminds me so much of things lawyerly inclined leftie friends have said about the legal system and rape, which aligns with everything i've ever heard from non-lawyerly people about the legal system and rape, like basically everything is set up to not believe the victim. i mean she is basically being compelled to either work with, or substantially enrich, her rapist and abuser. so horrible.

It's correct that trial-level judicial opinions do not set legally binding precedent that another trial-level court would be obliged to follow. However, a trial-level opinion in Kesha's favor would be considered "instructive" and could conceivably inspire similar suits.

Right, okay.

Ugh.

It's also just... I mean I get that the law works in its own way and you can't always mete out the most just decision because of the way the thing works and so on. It just lines up so much with the thinking of, y'know, oh all women really want to go out and make up a fake assault to get attention/whatever. Not saying that was the judge's mentality (and certainly not saying it's yours!), just in a different culture that would be so obviously a drop in the bucket versus actual victims being contractually bound to their abusers. The whole thing's just depressing as hell, I know years ago in this thread I was pretty dismissive of her but I just can't even imagine being in her position.

This is obviously anecdotal, but during my yearlong judicial clerkship working on mostly criminal cases after law school, I never saw a jury return a guilty verdict in a rape case. Not once.

Granted, this was in Baltimore, where an understandably deep distrust of the justice system makes it difficult to get jurors to return a guilty verdict on anything. But still.

Why are there binding contracts? Artists should be able to work with whomever they want in my (naive) opinion. This is just a nightmare.

Because Sony's (and perhaps Kesha's) values don't mirror Ian MacKaye's.

(Hard to judge the values of someone who signed an arguably lopsided contract at such a young age.)

"But I think Geragos didn't help matters by dragging Lady Gaga into this – that's a disclosure for Lady Gaga to make, not a celebrity lawyer."

I didn't know about this until just now; she denied this, right? what an idiot move by Geragos

Why are there binding contracts? Artists should be able to work with whomever they want in my (naive) opinion. This is just a nightmare.

― Treeship, Saturday, February 20, 2016 12:21 PM

Because Sony's (and perhaps Kesha's) values don't mirror Ian MacKaye's.

(Hard to judge the values of someone who signed an arguably lopsided contract at such a young age.)

― dc, Saturday, February 20, 2016 12:33 PM

I think there’s a position in-between, contracts should address tangible assets (e.g. recorded albums) rather than future earnings.

Most importantly, a "good" contract should be equitable and mutually beneficial.

But that's enough nerdiness from me for today; time to go out on the town.

music industry is notorious for exploitative contracts

A standard music industry contract (I used to work for a label) is seven albums, with the artist getting a higher advance for each subsequent album, but after each album the label has the option to renew or not. So if Sony lets Kesha make another album, and it tanks, they can drop her and she can go work with whoever will work with her.

but Dr Luke would have to produce the record, if I understand correctly?

No, he wouldn't be involved directly.

The objection is that Sony could deliberately stall her career by not releasing or promoting any records she makes.

i think the injunction hearing yesterday was about deciding whether or not the court could take the possibility of kesha working with dr. luke again off the table legally

sony and luke's label kemosabe have apparently agreed to allow kesha to work with other non-luke writers and producers but team kesha argues that sony will decline to properly promote/fund collaborations with other producers unless the court insists that luke is legally removed from the table as an option

exploitative contracts and NDA agreements cover up a lot of abuses in the industry, something that might help here is if there was some kind of artist/performer's bill of rights which specifies that recording contracts and non-disclosure agreements can be voided in cases where abuses like this happen

thanks for the clarification!

i feel bad for speculating about how to solve the problem itt it's a very complicated issue and even though it could be solved instantly by people not being dicks my understanding of it all is feeble and i have absolutely no idea what to do about it

Seems like Sony/Kemosabe should release her from contract on their own volition at this point.
Is whatever they gain in not doing so really worth all of the (rightfully) negative chatter?
Do they really imagine future Kesha delivering hit after hit for them, glad-handing on tv, operating like this never happened?

What can they possibly gain from this?
Seems only sensible to dissolve the contract and move on.

i would guess they're concerned about the precedent? It's immensely shitty no matter how you look at it.

here is a good/useful legal rundown http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/02/kesha-dr-luke-lawsuit

sony's gonna drop dr luke

i'm skeptical of these reports. it would be good news though.

not sure how "is paid off to 'mutually' exit the contract" is a far-fetched scenario here

i don't think it's an implausible story, it's just an "unnamed sources saying what people want to hear" story at the moment so you never know

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/judge-rules-kesha-honor-sony-contract-dr-luke-article-1.2591100

(Judge) Kornreich, who denied Kesha’s bid to get out of her Sony contract binding her to Dr. Luke earlier this year, wasn’t sympathetic.

“Every rape is not a gender-motivated hate crime,” she wrote.

“Although Gottwald’s alleged actions were directed to Kesha, who is female, (her claims) do not allege that Gottwald harbored animus toward women or was motivated by gender animus when he allegedly behaved violently toward Kesha.”

The judge dismissed Kesha’s claim of intentional infliction of emotional distress based on the statute of limitations with respect to the alleged assaults in 2005 and 2008.

And Kornreich, in bluntly cold language, implied the insults allegedly hurled at Kesha over the years weren’t severe enough for the court to act on them.

“Her claims of insults about her value as an artist, her looks and her weight are insufficient to constitute extreme, outrageous conduct intolerable in civilized society,” she wrote.

UGH.

so nobody on ILM cares about Kesha and the Creepies?

the creepies haven't been on my radar
what is kesha and the creepies

her rock band that is touring! http://pitchfork.com/news/66920-kesha-announces-kesha-and-the-creepies-the-fuck-the-world-tour/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8flueN6eU

ha! wow, that's cool. i enjoy playing kesha songs, i bet they're really fun to see!!

http://pagesix.com/2016/10/10/kesha-fears-dr-luke-could-leak-her-medical-records/

just when you think this can't get any uglier

really seems luke has no motivation to do that and would open himself up to more liability if they came out

there is no way that would not be a hipaa nightmare

medical records in court are one thing (and permitted under hipaa) but whatever "dissemination" is being discussed here? probably not so much

hipaa, as far as i know, applies to medical staff, not ex-lovers

although leaking documents that are under court seal could definitely run afoul of something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Dur3uXXCQ

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jul/06/kesha-rainbow-new-album-playback-interview-praying

New album 'Rainbow' August 11th.

the video is gorgeous. lyrically it's a bit teenage-diary (can't wonder what it'd be like if it were a bit more metaphorical), but her searing vocal is so haunting.

i'm rooting for her & interested to see what the album will be like

yeah i'm rooting for her too

that is quite a long build up for a pop song, but man what a payoff

I don't get this at all. Much as I'm happy for her to be able to release the music she wants (and it's obvious the fact she can actually sing has been hidden) this is a tuneless mess.

The closest precedent I can think of for this is that song where Miley Cyrus screams about her dead dog

what's odd is i woke up with this in my head. obviously it's not meant to be some kind of hyper-catchy radio candy but i guess the tune did grab a hold of my brain.

watched the vid a couple more times and i kinda love it now.

yeah thumbs up from me, i'm with her and it's a good rallying song, even though it's outwardly directed (towards dr. luke obviously) it totally pulls off the thing where the fuck-you isn't just masquerading self-servingly as a personal anthem, it actually feels like a personal anthem that includes, proudly and rightly, notes of fuck-you. if it has a certain diary-ishness i think that works. and yeah, nobody's idea of a killer lead pop single, no, but when it finally kicks in it REALLY kicks in. high note was awesome.

This would have ended up feeling less like an exposed nerve if it had tried to shroud its message in metaphorical lyrics. I think it's absolutely necessary for the reach it has that it was expressed as plainly as possible.

So so excited for this album. I hope every single song is as loud and angry as this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXyA4MXKIKo

hot take: this fucking rocks

Love it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5RoaBhlK6o

(Posted that in the gay thread, but I think it left everyone there stun.)

that is hysterical

btw i thought i'd already said this but i really really cringe at my early posts itt, sorry everyone.

"let 'em talk" is unbelievable

this year's eclipse...

where I am at: this is mostly a conceptual triumph, not so much a musical triumph but she's still on sony so it's a miracle it's as good as it is

Omg this is so great

So much to enjoy here. Reminds me a little bit of the s/t Paramore in the way it takes an artist who previously focused on doing one very specific thing really well and shows off the range of other incredible shit they can do, too

yes! i am really impressed by this

this is gr8, title track is so gr8

closing track is kind of astonishing

trust ke$ha to be the first to meld cosmic country with pop country

why isn't ilx all over this btw? wrong sort of pop?

is this on spotify? i would like to hear it.

yes

it's really really fun and i love its redemptive arc

i think the outlaw countryish songs are the strongest third of the record, hope she does a whole album of that someday

yeah there are like three different styles on the album that make me press the "I want a whole album of this" button. Fun to imagine all the directions she could go next

the Dolly Parton collab is exactly what I wanted

totally digging this album. and "prayer" gives me even heavier chills in context. "boogie feet" is the only track that kinda bugged me on first listen.

I only made it through a song and a half. I really don't like what I've heard so far. :-(

this is nice

I’m honored to have this strong motherfuvkin woman choose to sing a song that’s so special to me. Slightly dying with happiness❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ pic.twitter.com/sOxrRCGZB2

— kesha (@KeshaRose) August 28, 2017

what with the new taylor swift song being embarrassing, the door is still open for y'all over here on team kesha

also what with kesha just being the superior person/popstar in just about every conceivable way

I love this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5i7A2Bw89g

Record is really good too, agree with Brad that the country-tinged songs are the best.

damn. i have no idea what the country market is like, but i feel like she could have a hit with that. great selection on her part, gives me some of the same goosebumps as "praying" did on first listen.

she's so good. i'm excited to see her next week

Praying has to become a karaoke classic.

i do not want the people at my typical 'roke watering hole trying to sing it.

(not cos of the song, but cos of the two off-key regulars who mistakenly think they're divas)

seems kind of a downer for karaoke

welcome to the karaoke selections of off-key regulars

one of my exes goes to the same place I go on occasion and she has it in her head that she has a great voice so she sings slow, showstopping ballads by Celine Dion and other diva songs and so is so wildly off key as to render the songs incomprehensible.

I almost want to dare her to do this one to see what she does to it when the whistle note comes.

this is exactly why Praying has to become a karaoke classic.

Great performance, but the Grammys spinning Kesha's comeback (a triumph over the industry that tried to block her from making an album) as a victory FOR the industry was really gross

yeah, I got into this recap, but it's somewhat mindboggling how many people hosting/showcased/otherwise on the Grammys were JUST in the news for sexual harassment/predatory/general pustularity. and this is just the known ones.

(the ads against the Grammys were also weirdly retrograde: women fainting over Old Spice, women indulging in the sinful low-calorie offerings of Fiber One, the existence of Fifty Shades)

finally got around to listening to Rainbow. there's some really awesome stuff on there, huge surprise for me. didn't really like her older work for the most part. "Woman" and "Let 'Em Talk" are the showstoppers but there's several other good tracks here too

a lot of (very redacted) depositions are out

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8472556/dr-luke-kesha-rape-katy-perry-lady-gaga-lawsuit-depositions

Kelly Clarkson has shot right up in my estimations since the story about the songwriting credits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXz3qeYQP0A

obviously better than a tidy ballad but I'm not 100% sold, to be honest, on pivoting to amanda palmer (musically)

mm yeah i dunno

i am not into the corny cabaret sound of this song
still applaud the audacity of making this rather unappealing song & the middle finger

Trying to imagine a scenario where someone would request that this be played, and I just cannot. She coulda kept this in her diary.

I can easily imagine people requesting this be played

(it's better if I think of it as a one-off/leak, like the dozens floating around during the animal/warrior years)

yeah i could see this fitting fine into the sequence of an album.

(in a late-period modest-mouse album kinda way)

new single "Raising Hell" with Big Freedia out tomorrow

i realized that i am very much kesha

on Harmony Korine's The Beach Bum: "I saw the movie and that was inspiring to me because, as a bum, I very much relate to that character."

"raising hell" kicks so much ass

wait what is the beach bum quote from?

I'm kind of obsessed with the way she pronounces the word "couldn't" in the line "if you couldn't tell."

The trailer for her new album is great.

“Life is like driving across the country in a pretty small Astrovan, with your whole family in it, for 90 years. Because I think life is a vacation from where we go when we die.”

xp it was in entertainment weekly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ2iBrXVkRY

phenomenal songwriter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiGUnl7kEOw

this album is gonna be incredible

"don't circumcise my circumstance"

Bless you, Kesha.

A great mix of classic club Kesha and conservational country Kesha. All the preview singles sound fantastic in context too. Probably a fraction overlong, but who cares, it's amazing.

“birthday suit”!!!!

the country-leaning songs here are so amazing that i long for a full country kesha record, but then it wouldn't provide me with the interdimensional bridge between all iterations of kesha that is "kinky"

only track i'd delete from this is "bff"

‘Kinky’ and ‘BFF’ were both ones I’d lose tbh, but the rest are wonderful. The ‘Island in the Sun’-reminiscent intro has me fantasising a Kesha-Weezer super gig. ‘Tonight’, the title track and ‘Birthday Suit’ are immediate faves and I feel guilty for dismissing ‘Raising Hell’ earlier in the year what was I thinking.

*intro of ‘Honey’

I like this new album so much more than Rainbow tbh

my feelings on this album will hinge on whether there's a 'rainbow' or a 'spaceship' equivalent probably

i don't think either is present, but the album's offering other pleasures

maybe i love "kinky" bc it'd be a pretty sick k-pop song

this album handles its pop moves better than rainbow (cf. the run from "tonight" to "honey" vs. "hymn" -> "praying" -> "learn to let go," the former is better to me on just a pacing level) but rainbow is still the weedier and weirder of the two? but then again high road has "the potato song," which seems to follow up on "rich straight white men" and take kesha further into the alt universe amanda palmer territory (which is fine with me, she's a good enough songwriter to pull it off) and then there's "father daughter dance" the most devastating thing she's ever put on a record? idk, both records are all over the place

i would prob think "bff" was ok if wrabel were deleted from it

Relistening to this now and it's even better.

new album out next month. I'm getting an If I Can't Have Love, I Want Power vibe from the two singles released today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG73hFraLig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1hecebh3Hc