Favourite SST Release of... 1985

Voting Loose Nut just because I'm pretty sure no one else will. In my heart, it's probably Flip Your Wig though.

So, is NDR gonna sweep this?

Probably.

Voting New Day Rising, though I might go with that reissued Meat Puppets 7-inch if I still had one, and I might have gone with Up On The Sun in 1985 apparently:

probably not the 50 best albums and singles (and/or EPs) of 1985

ALBUMS
4. meat puppets - up on the sun
11. husker du - new day rising
15. husker du - flip your wig
20. minutemen - three way tie (for last)

SINGLES AND EPs
5. husker du - love is all around/makes no sense at all
34. meat puppets - in a car EP
46. minutemen - profect: mersh EP

Actually, pretty sure I shuffled those by Pazz & Jop time - Flip Your Wig made my actual ballot, I think.

What did Angst and October Faction sound like?

I think Meat Puppets will win. HD vote will be split.

October Faction - free-form improv, SST style
Angst - sub-Husker Du? I really can`t remember

Me on Rolling Hard Rock 2009, fwiw:

Played DC3's 1985 This Is The Dream this morning -- first album by Dez Cadena-guitared-and-vocaled not-as-powerful-as-I-wish SST label power trio who say in the liner notes they want to make an album like their favorites by Deep Purple, Captain Beyond, Humble Pie, and Mountain. They don't pull it off -- singing and guitaring is too thin (though the title track and "98 Malvern St" do okay in the latter department), songs seem too hippie-sloppy and marijuanified and not-quite-finished, Spot production murk probably doesn't help -- but for punk rockers remembering the '70s sludge they grew up on so early in the game, it strikes me as a valid attempt. Remember liking their later The Good Hex more at the time (#314 in Stairway), but I don't have a copy of that anymore. Weird to think the first DC3 album is now 24 years old, though -- We're as close to it now as it was to 1961, wow.
― xhuxk, Friday, June 12, 2009 2:26 PM (9 months ago)

I will personally beat down anybody who votes for October Faction so if you have been wanting a beatdown from me that is an easy way to get one

can i vote for in a car even tho it originally came out earlier on a diff label? cuz that is pretty much one of the world's perfect records.

vote away dude

lol it was a rhetorical question, i am just torn between that and NDR, which really doesn't need my vote tbh.

everyone will think that and NDR will probably lose.
Plus thanks to j0hn we probably have a new front runner ;)

don't you dare do it if you're thinking about it

I wanna see a big ol goose-egg next to October Faction when the results come in or there will be asskickings galore

In My Head is my fav post-Damaged Black Flag. But then, "Plans I Make" is a psychotically wistful goodbye what I liked about Husker Du. And then there's the ballot in 3-Way, and the questionable existence of Managua Square. Last year of the core SST clique. And the "Maiden's Milk" riff. Very hard, since the core are just past their peak, but still have so much to offer.

i mean, this is tough cause there's a lot in the list that i love, and i'm kinda eh about huskers taking double nickels in the 84 poll, but i'd be fronting myself to put in a non-ndr vote here

Best thing is to vote for your favourite album in the list and don't let previous polls influence you.

Just gave Up On The Sun another listen to double check, and yeah, the answer is New Day Rising. Which is not what I expected.

sucks that Britishers are forgetting to include sub-labels (new alliance, cruz, issues) because this would probably get some votes (perhaps mine, happily undecided for the time being tho):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HW4ej9q_dU

New Day Rising by a hair over Flip Your Wig by a pretty big margin over Up On The Sun and everything else.

I am voting for The Process of Weeding Out.

fuck you guys voting for in my head

also on my eternal loved-this-because-i-mowed-lawns-with-it-in-my-walkman rule as posited on the metal thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnosuiIvlB0

Not in the same league as some of the other records on this list, but I do love me some Angst.

i think in my head's a pretty great record actually - certainly one of the better late-era flag LPs. voted NDR tho...

In My Head is great, particularly the riff from the title track.

043 Various Artists The Blasting Concept Vol. II

This was maybe the first SST I ever bought and the Minutemen's 'Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love' slamming straight into the Huskers 'Erase Today' is a totally fucking knockout combination.

Check it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0C0Yke9tww

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTrJKI0vWoE

The 7 Inch Wonders Of The World is getting overlooked a bit here - it's got the Meat Puppets' In A Car EP, Nervous Breakdown, Six Pack, TV Party singles by Black Flag, Overkill, Wurm, Husker Du's Eight Miles High & Makes No Sense At All singles, and Paranoid Time by the Minutemen. That might outweigh NDR for me.

sucks that Britishers are forgetting to include sub-labels

Well, New Alliance didn't become a sub-label of SST till 1987, Cruz didn't start till '88, and Issues only issued four records!

Nobody's mentioned My First Bells. Man, if only it wasn't tape-only...

But because I already picked The Punch Line in a previous poll, my vote here is going to Up On The Sun. It's pretty perfect.

047 Tom Troccoli's Dog Tom Troccoli's Dog

Still have this clogging up the rack. Any takers?

http://www1.salvationarmy.org.uk/images/uki.www_uki/charity%20shop.jpg

033 DC3 This Is The Dream
036 October Faction October Faction
047 Tom Troccoli's Dog Tom Troccoli's Dog
053 SWA Your Future, If You Have One
054 Angst Lite Life
057 Painted Willie Mind Bowling

The rot slowly starts to set in...

I voted for Angst just to be a contrarian tbh

Most of those bands def have their charm

054 Angst Lite Life

No way - this is a solid record! Folksy strum-punk, from somewhere at the rootsier end of US indie.

You'll be dissing Always August next, yer dirty rotter.

I used to love Always August! Tar Babies too, we`ll be getting to them soon.

3-Way Tie (For Last)

Here's what I wrote about it back in the day

Voted 3-Way Tie -- of all these, it's the one I go back and listen to most, though it's probably not the best of the list.

sucks that Britishers are forgetting to include sub-labels

Well, New Alliance didn't become a sub-label of SST till 1987, Cruz didn't start till '88, and Issues only issued four records!

― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara),

haha

I got a 2008 sampler w/a recent SST order, it's got JAMBANG, Greg Ginn & The Taylor Texas Corrugators, MOJACK, and Gone. Should I bother putting it in the CD player y/n?

I kind of think YES, cos I think we need a definitive answer on the Jambang vs Mojack question.

Ugh... Mojack, I guess. I literally just went through the whole CD in about three minutes. Mojack is sort of like Jambang with louder guitars and saxophone. Jambang is sort of like Kaleidoscope Funk Network. Oh god, this CD is so horrible.

Gone is the best band on this CD. Let that soak in: GONE is the best band on an SST sampler.

crazy how ginn's backing band for gone went on to become the rollins band...

Who is it nowadays? Sounds like Greg Ginn and an enthusastic drum machine. Apparently the album this song is taken from ("The Epic Trilogy") features a second disc with HR singing on it. The mind reels.

043 Various Artists The Blasting Concept Vol. II

This was maybe the first SST I ever bought and the Minutemen's 'Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love' slamming straight into the Huskers 'Erase Today' is a totally fucking knockout combination.

same with me! those were the two songs on it that i really liked. was this really cheap or something, cos thats the only reason i can think a 15 year old me bought this. the Black Flag song ("I Can See You") put me off them for about 5 years or something.

Yeah the Meat Pups song on there was really bad too! Think it was £3.99 from Our Price in Basingstoke.

Kudos to Gott Punch on Jambang endeavours.

It was a budget-priced sampler but I bought it second hand anyway iirc

Ginn is like the of Sam Phillips of punk. This electronics geek who curated this brilliant explosion in music, immensely radical in a way, but ends up a dottering good ol' boy.

voted My First Bells as the only one I wore the fuck out back in the day

gotta give SST props for realizing the one truly punk move left in 1985 is to become hippies.

painted willie votes give you an auto 51 correct?

It's true that October Faction sucked, but the album cover was super awesome!

Angst were kind of like a more earnest Violent Femmes iirc.

3 Way Tie has always been a heartbreaking disappointment to me.

Loose Nut and In My Head the beginning of the sweet-riffs-but-dead-soul Black Flag era.

My First Bells is the fucking elephant in the room, good christ it's EVERYTHING BEFORE DBL NCKLS ON 1 CASSETTE ppl! So unfair that I don't think I can conscientiously even vote for it.

Bloody battle between New Day Rising and Up On The Sun for me, and once again I don't think I can resolve it.

my first bells was a comp of all the new alliance stuff (less Georgeless?).

uh, new alliance was acquired by SST (early 1986 iirc) after D.Boon died as Watt thought that would be the best way to keep the releases in print.

the point is that most of us (not all, but most... esp britishers) bought new alliance releases (esp minutemen, descendents) when they were rereleased on SST and probably had no idea that they ever were origianlly released on new alliance until much later into music nerddom.

Did not know that! So... Nickels was the first one to be released on SST...?

Nope, My First Bells was everything they put out on both SST and New Alliance from 1980 to 1983, plus some tracks on comps put out by other labels (Maybe a Posh Boy one? I dunno).

I think the Minutemen and Descendents stuff on New Alliance was the only stuff to get re-released on SST. Maybe Husker Du too (was Land Speed Record on New Alliance? Jello put it out on AT's UK imprint I read once).

New Day Rising is an easy, if boring, pick for me here - never felt Flip Your Wig quite as much and if anything else here was a contender for me, it'd probably be Up on the Sun which I got into much much later.

The next couple years of SST are gonna be harder for me I think, and it's not out of any major love for Zoogz Rift. 1987 is going to be almost impossible to feel good about.

I'm busy going through therapy to deal with the inevitable disappointment when Zoogz gets robbed in the upcoming polls...

#31 and #39 were the soundtracks to my best summer ever. "Swimming Ground" was prophetic. We actually found our very own swimming ground that summer.

Amongst the first releases on New Alliance were Hüsker Dü's first album Land Speed Record and the Minutemen's second-ever release, the seven-inch EP Joy. Eventually the label grew to nurture the early career of the Descendents, issue various-artist compilation albums (such as Mighty Feeble), and release other recordings by The Minutemen (The Politics Of Time) and Hüsker Dü (the In A Free Land EP). The label showcased a number of post-punk bands from the South Bay area of southern California, notably Slovenly, Phantom Opera, and Invisiblechains.

After D. Boon's car-accident death in 1985 and the increasingly busier schedule of Watt's post-Minutemen band fIREHOSE, Watt and Tamburovich sold New Alliance to SST in 1987. Greg Ginn, SST's owner and Black Flag's guitarist, proceeded to transfer all of The Minutemen and Descendents back catalog and Hüsker Dü's Land Speed Record to SST and turned New Alliance into a subsidiary label of SST that concentrated on more adventurous and non-mainstream records, including jazz, instrumental, poetry, and spoken-word releases.

xxp

IIRC Politics Of Time was the only rilly important thing left off My First Bells.

Ah, the Mersh era, in which production actually does become the enemy of the music--post-Damaged Black Flag really only got it right with Slip It In, imho, though there are great songs on both Loose Nut and esp. In My Head. But too much vocal echo! And what's with the drum sound on 3-Way Tie? It's over at this thread where Tom Troccoli 'splained some of that drama:

Taking Sides: Keith Morris vs. Ron "Chavo Pederast" Reyes vs. Dez Cadena vs. Henry Rollins -- BLACK FLAG VOCALIST SMACKDOWN!

Flip Your Wig has "Games" and other greatness, but feels antiseptic. Which leaves New Day Rising (my vote), Project: Mersh (whose cover art, "King of the Hill," and "Take Our Test" I probably love more than all of New Day Rising, but an EP with filler is a bad sign), and Up on the Sun (whose "Maiden's Milk" I played at our wedding dinner). I never liked "Makes No Sense at All," but "Love Is All Around" is the immortal b-side. And I should say, I do love a lot of 3-Way Tie, "The Big Stick," "Courage," "What Is It?"

What else on this list is great? I was still buying records with allowance money at this point.

x-post: To clear up any confusion, I think these polls list the original SST catalog/release numbers, so Minutemen's first EP (Paranoid Time, SST 002, which is included) was the second SST release, and their second EP (Joy, originally released on New Alliance) won't be included until the '87 poll, where it appeared on "Post-Mersh, Vol. 3." The Punch Line was the first SST LP. I was under the impression Minutemen set up New Alliance to release Husker Du's Land Speed Record--which SST also eventually reissued (along with all the Minutemen stuff)--but I'm looking at my New Alliance-issued original copy and its catalog number is NAR-007, so there were six other records. And now Wikipedia has cleared up my mistake:

http://www.discogs.com/label/New+Alliance+Records

Re: Tar Babies, it won't beat Sister but I might vote for Fried Milk in '87, one of the great "lost" SST albums.

I fkin LOVE Fried Milk!

'I heard you're mad you're mad about the dogs/they stole your mama/in the middle of the night!'

Did that never come out on CD?

Not that I ever saw, actually.

Actually, I don't have the vinyl anymore and now am filled with regret.

Tar Babies were really, really fun live.

Agree about Fried Milk, the one right after it was pretty good too, but a lot more straight forward at being funky iirc. Only saw Tar Babies live once, on an SST double-header with Das Damen.

Where does Cruz fit into the whole SST family tree?

On the basis of the Colonel's description, it's kinda tempting to vote for that "7 Inch Wonders" collection. Which is a pretty weird thing to do, voting for something you've never owned or even heard in its entirety, but that's one of the quirky side effects of including compilations in a poll. And even though voting for a comp feels kinda like cheating, My First Bells is probably my favourite cassette of all time, so I can't overlook that.

I'll have to wait for the '86 poll to risk the wrath of J0hn D. by voting for The Second Factionalization, hahaha. (j/k)

86 is prob gonna be Mirage for me.

ANy takers for Minuteflag?

xxxpost

Cruz was basically the pop punk/grunge label, was it not? Stuff that didn't really fit with SST's avant rock jazz chin-stroky whatever direction at the time. Also, Ginn's solo albums came out on Cruz -- I've never heard any of those, are they much cop?

I've still never HEARD minuteflag! I like that George plays 'bean can' on that one...

...that's probably the best thing you can say about it IMO.

Never heard any solo Ginn, obviously SST was too small to contain his full genius?

an EP with filler is a bad sign

see also: guided by voices

pop fan that i am, it took me forever to "get" double nickels whereas project: mersh and 3-way tieimmediately clobbered me over the head with their catchiness, their smarts, their strange ambition, their greatness. both perfect records in my book. i count double nickels as pretty much perfect, too, but that took a lot longer for me and it's a different year anyway.

new day rising has so many jaw-dropping songs on it, but it's never been my favorite husker du album the way the two 1985 minutemen releases are my favorite minutemen records. which probably makes me minutemenly incorrect. but whatever.

still deciding which one of em gets my vote. leaning toward mersh since i have a strong feeling that's all it's gonna get.

(also, i realize mersh ends with 5 minutes of "filler" but i kinda love it.)

(also also, i love how watt corrects/updates the line "i dreamed i was e. bloom but i woke up joe bouchard" in the printed lyrics.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUJ8dcLxFVg

otm - Mersh and 3-Way were far from disappointing but More Minutemen! esp. after D's death

two thoughts on that video.

d. boon rolls himself down that hill for quite some time. impressive!

the silhouette-like shot at the end makes it fairly clear that george hurley was actually sideshow bob.

def new day rising

d. boon rolls himself down that hill for quite some time. impressive!

Especially when you're stuffed full of shite off the barbecue.

um people

My First Bells is the fucking elephant in the room, good christ it's EVERYTHING BEFORE DBL NCKLS ON 1 CASSETTE ppl! So unfair that I don't think I can conscientiously even vote for it.

I CAN AND WILL

1. Flip Your Wig, 2. "Makes No Sense at All," 3. New Day Rising. Then all those other bands.

if that's your prediction, then I'm sure it's gonna be way off :)

Choosing The Process of Weeding Out was somewhat automatic of me--it's my favorite Black Flag record, and my favorite Black Flag record is inherently prized over my favorite Husker Du or Minutemen or Meat Puppets record for reasons wholly personal and insane.

The insane reasons: I'm partial to post-Damaged Black Flag already--the records are all uneven (except for In My Head, which I almost voted for) and are either abominably produced or recorded, but it's riveting to hear them expand beyond hardcore (as it is with most of the SST bands represented here), whether engaging with thick metal structures or letting Greg Ginn indulge his Ornette Coleman obsession for a whole side. Which is something that Family Man had, these weird, half-formed instrumentals that circled with menace! But there was also that pretty awful Henry Rollins spoken-word side.

The Process of Weeding Out has no Henry at all. Thus, perfect! All Kira drawing bass circles, Greg Ginn eradicating the residual with his onslaught of pink noise and awful soloing that I like to construe as "free."

But there was also that pretty awful Henry Rollins spoken-word side.

Let your fingers do the walkin' let your fingers do the walkin' let your fingers do the walkin'

She ate the chocolates and watched TV. He... BLEW HIS BRAINS OUT.

While someone on a bus PUKES ON AN OLD LADY
PUKES ON AN OLD LADY!!!

Oh wait that was Kickboy Face.

Who will get 0 votes this time out?

"Up on the Sun"... voted for it, I mean

... only time I've voted (or will vote) in any of these SST polls

can I just

My First Bells 1980-83
1985

Cassette-only.

CT: 1985 US SST SST 032

Paranoid Time:
Validation
The Maze
Definitions
Sickles and Hammers
Fascist
Joe McCarthy's Ghost
Paranoid Chant

Cracks in the Sidewalk:
9:30 May 2

Chunks:
Clocks

Joy:
Joy
Black Sheep
More Joy

The Punch Line:
Search
Tension
Games
Boiling
Disguises
The Struggle
Monuments
Ruins
Issued
The Punch Line
Song for El Salvador
History Lesson
Fanatics
No Parade
Straight Jacket
Gravity
Warfare
Static

“bean-spill” e.p.:
Split Red
If Reagan Played Disco
Case Closed
Afternoons
Futurism Restated

Life is Beautiful, So Why Not Eat Health Foods?:
Prelude (Bolan)

What Makes a Man Start Fires?:
Bob Dylan Wrote Propaganda Songs
One Chapter In The Book
Beacon Sighted Through Fog
Fake Contest
Mutiny in Jonestown
Pure Joy
Faith/East Wind
'99
The Anchor
Sell or Be Sold
The Only Minority
Split Red
Colors
Plight
This Road
The Tin Roof
Life As a Rehearsal
Polarity

Buzz or Howl Under the Influence of Heat:
Self-Referenced
Cut
Dream Told By Moto
Dreams are Free, Motherfucker!
The Toe Jam
I Felt Like a Gringo
The Product
Little Man With a Gun in His Hand

this would be a good place to confess I never liked any husker du album before or after zen arcade

this would be a good place to confess I never liked any meat puppets album before or after zen arcade

(ok, ii is good)

OOPS!

this would be a good place to confess I never liked any meat puppets album before or after up on the sun

(ok, ii is good)

want to vote for worldbroken, can't

also want to vote for in my head, fu jjjusten

so do you pronounce Troccoli like Broccoli or Spicoli?

^ asking the tough questions

Minus the compilation tracks and other extras (some still not available at Corndogs.org), CDs served that body of Minutemen work much better, IMO. My First Bells was an essential two-year stopgap, though, during which I mostly listened to my copy of the WORT New Needles special on the Minutemen until somebody stole it out of my locker (along with my An-Aesthetic zine with a Minutemen interview). I hope it changed their life.

that sucks

Who will get 0 votes this time out?

D.C.3 - my favourite Black Flag singer, with Paul Roessler and guys from the Stains to boot, but I can't fucking stand them. I've tried, the dog knows I've tried.

'In A Car' was from about 1967.

Surely?

still deciding which one of em gets my vote. leaning toward mersh since i have a strong feeling that's all it's gonna get.

mersh it is.

Mersh isn't bad at all. I love it more than Three Way Tie. 'The Cheerleaders' is a jam.

every song on it is a jam! even "more spiel" in its trance-like way.

i loved that album when it came out. i probably listened to it more than any of their other stuff.

Flip Your Wig is the album out of all these I listen to most these days.

I cant find a meat puppets albums poll, so unless a board lawyer prick can find one, shall we do a meat puppets album poll?

There's been a thread debating the subject but no poll I don't think. If you do it be sure to include Out My Way EP, b/c jeez if MP I is an album then Out My Way is also long enough to be one.

but is it classed as an lp or ep?

It's classed as an EP. But it's such an underdog and no one ever talks about it ever. It's a midpoint between Up On The Sun golden-psych-thicket and the more mersh Mirage sound.

Out My Way is a jam. Probably my top SST from 1986. Better than Evol? Yeah.

But with all my love for Up On The Sun I'm voting here for My First Bells because I mean come on.

vote

please

done

Voted Hallow's Victim, no surprise.

I dont think St Vitus will do as well this time. Next poll it might though.

Finally tipped for Up On The Sun b/c My First Bells no longer exists in that form, and New Day Rising i've so internalized that I never really play it anymore.

And bc Up On The Sun still seems to paint a picture of an escapist oasis I would gladly live in if I knew where to find it.

My First Bells no longer exists in that form

my tape shelf disagrees w/ you

Oh you know what I mean! It was a dodgy rationalization that helped me come to a decision.

just don't dare vote in the best 78 release of 1929 poll

Geir wont poll inferior formats

One thing this thread has done is reinforce my belief that I really should get some more Minutemen into my collection.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Up On The Sun still seems to paint a picture of an escapist oasis I would gladly live in if I knew where to find it.

It really does, doesn't it? It's a surefire cure for the winter blues.

The best place I ever found
Wasn't close to any town
Was a little swimming ground

5 hours to go

I can't vote for NDR without mentioning the production. Again.
But I will.
Closely followed by Up on the Sun

why do i have the feeling that this is just gonna be an outlet for more husker du lurkers to show their numbers? zzzzz

I'm even voting for NDR so yeah I think it's a foregone conclusion. This'll be the last year though.

shasta there's loads of people saying Husker Du so its hardly lurkers.

the husker du vote might get split though

Up on the Sun

my first bells gets it for me, still have the cassette my brothers bought me for my birthday

"shasta there's loads of people saying Husker Du so its hardly lurkers"

Everyone voting for HD is a lurker. It's a rule.

Can't wait until 1987 when I can core-dump vote for Opal.

I could leave them out just to annoy you Chris :)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

that's not quite as close as I had hoped...

Poor Würm. I've always felt sorry for them for being the second-most famous mid-'80s hardcore band to have umlauts. They're like SST's house Tommie Aaron.

Damn lurkers.

J0hn is punching the hell out of two people.

he only has himself to blame really

This poll was a very tough one. In any other year the likes of Project: Mersh would be right up at the top. But there was no way it was gonna happen with New Dat Rising, My First Bells et al.

New DAY Rising, obviously. But maybe if they had Dat back then for recording it would've sounded better.

So who will finish 2nd to Sonic Youth? Favourite SST Release of... 1986

Please to discuss this polls results (until j0hn is all punched out at least)

What happened to the saint vitus faction btw?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

031 Hüsker Dü New Day Rising 46

Jesus!

Not saying it's a bad record, just surprised at the landslide.

I figured it would win so ended up voting for Flip Your Wig. So im pleased to see i wasnt the only one voting for it.

the hippies have won

> What happened to the saint vitus faction btw?

blame the drugs

YEAH MAN WHEN DOES THIS POLL END GOTTA VOTE FOR VIUTUS

top 2 winners otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sA1pP4RG98

^ I can't believe I had never seen this huge SST pile-up before

i have actually

the real answer is WURM

so apparently Angst played Boston quite a bit and Frank Black was their #1 superfan...pretty interesting to listen to Lite Life with that in mind, there are things that stick out as total Pixies moves he copped from them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvp6ttWM7Jg

Coincidentally a friend and I were just discussing SST a week ago and I mentioned Angst and he told me this same fact! I probably haven’t heard lite life in almost thirty years.

Did they do a tour supporting Meat Puppets in 87. I know they were on at the Clarendon ballroom at the London debut.
I don't think I payed them much attention which may have been an oversight. Just don't remember being impressed.

Think they supported dinosaur Jr on their first uk date too?

can't have been first, that was the ULU support for Primal Scream that had a tear gas cannister released by some girl in the audience. 3rd band on bill was Boy Hairdresser who begat Teenage Fanclub
2nd was Clarendon Ballroom and I can't think who else was on the bill.
It was around the same time roughly though I think though next Meat Puppets gig was the night of the storm in October so that's a month earlier. ULU Dinosaur was 26th November, I think Klub Foot next night. Also thought there was a while between Meat Puppets playing Clarendon and the Marquee in which they had played some of Europe.

To clear this up, Angst supported Dinosaur Jr at the Clarendon on 27/11/1987. Yes I kept a record of every gig I went to back then. Also on the bill: The Purple Things.

I can see how a live setting would have pushed this material past the thin singing, which makes the Meat Puppets' crooning sound as smooth as Sinatra. And wow, so many phrasing and transition ideas that Frank Black seems to have internalized, both with the riffs and the vocalizing.

Now wondering if I was confusing 2 gigs at the same venue in about 2 months. I was picturing that as Meat Puppets maybe it was Dinosaur anyway. I know it wasn't the debut cs they let me in through a window for that one I think. Had seen Dinosaur a couple of times in NY and Hoboken the summer of the year before. They had added the Jr in the interim apparently.

ah thanks for that Matt #2! impressed that you both went - i really wanted to go but my mum wouldn't let me go up to london by myself :(

stevolende that teargas thing sounds nuts!

am sure i've posted this before but this clip of angst is great and the only bit of film i've ever seen of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjV0HtVsQWU

they sound like a country version of straitjacket fits or something

Meat Puppets got stuck with Lightning Strikes at Klub Foot and what appear to be a couple of little known indie bands. Hard Rain and Kingfisher Catch Fire,
IU think Lightning Strikes were an identikit punk band verging on metal.

Marquee wound up with them getting a generic metal band called something like Headmistress.

I'll probably find out taht all of thsoe bands were stepping stones for further longterm musical careers or not as the case may be.

Tear gas thing was indeed crazy, all of audience had to be filed out of the venue. Apparently McGee chased teh girl who let off the cannister halfway across the neighborhood. Then he lost her. I know I heard more of the story than I was aware of at the time later on. But not sure f that was a public source or something said to me.
Primal Scream were just going into a Detroit hard rock thing that I don't think suited them taht brilliantly. I don't think Gillespie has a very strong voice though I do enjoy what they were doing with sound a decade later, but that could be the players and sound manipulation as much. I think he may know a lot about music but not one of my favourite frontmen.
I think guitarist at the time left shortly after and formed Spirea X.

i hope that mcgee was chasing the girl to offer her a contract, cos that is way more rock'n'roll than some of the shite he put out on creation

Spot must have really pissed off Husker Du during the making of New Day Rising

I remember talk about Flaming Lips playing in Camden around the time of the Meat puppets debut at that debut. Not sure if that was a debut and not sure if they made it back to London for a long while after. I missed the gig and think I only just saw them for the first time last year.

Marquee wound up with them getting a generic metal band called something like Headmistress.

Getting a little off-topic here but the Meat Puppets support at the Marquee were Headmaster, a vile Van Halen/Benatar ripoff who as I recall it attempted a singalong in their last song ("Oh yeah!") to the deafening sound of (tumblin') tumbleweeds. Excruciating! That's what you'd get at that stupid venue back then though for support acts.

Did anyone ever actually see Zoogz Rift play?

the kids said rock!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIQcPERpcQI

haha thats awful, but at the same time its made me very nostalgic. purest essence of marquee rawk

I remember a terrible glam metal band called the Dirt Merchants opening for Pussy Galore in L.A. in 1989. Similar sort of "who's available to play on Monday night?" feeling.

if you play in a local band you get stuck on all kinds of weird bills

at that point in LA it was probably "who's willing to pay the most to open for Pussy Galore"

I absolutely fucking love "Love Dissolves" on that Angst album and hope one day to like more of it

I kind of think YES, cos I think we need a definitive answer on the Jambang vs Mojack question.

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u&k q imo

Did anyone ever actually see Zoogz Rift play?

I was at this show, but don't remember a thing about ZR

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I would not have imagined ZR played out a lot.

Full disclosure I listened to Island of Living Puke about a hundred times in the late 80s

Full disclosure I wore the grooves clean on Always August "Largeness With (W)holes" in 1987 or so