Yo P&J, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish, but ILX had the greatest 2009 poll of all time! All time! (2009 ILX Trax Poll Results: TOP TEN TODAY)

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Here's a particularly enjoyable ode to 2009 to start us off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNzrwh2Z2hQ

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link

awesome, bring it on!

some dude, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah!

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

wheres the thread that actually asked for votes? i didn't even see it

ben bernankles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

great thread title imo, lets do this

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

So pumped!!!

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

also, a little info: there was no runaway winner, the top 5 was within a couple votes of each other.

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link

50 -- Royksopp feat Robyn - The Girl and the Robot (8 votes, 88 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (380 in P&J, 68 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIWRYwCGEF4

"The Girl and The Robot" with Robyn is flat out amazing. ― Johnny Fever

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link

88 point threshold... interesting.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh this should be interesting. I think I can guess what's going to be near the top of the albums poll but haven't a clue as to how the trax will pan out.

Bing Crosby, are you listening? (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Only a top fifty? I was expecting the full hundred.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

probably unwise if they're all gonna be youtubed

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

lol, i feel stupid for not voting because my brain never processed what that annoying-looking thread title said. Please tell me I'm not the only one.

ben bernankles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think I have ever done top 100. I think the natural cutoff is where there ceases to be big blocks of tied entries, top 50 seems to work in that regard.

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

btw the title of that thread has changed again

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i have literally no idea what to expect from the trax poll. bring it on!! i'm glad that i scheduled a quiet night in tonight

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

btw the title of that thread has changed again

BEST!

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

good start, i dig that song

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

No worries musically xp, I must've mentally inflated last year's bounties. It's funny, top 50 is exactly where the big blocs peter out in my less-subscribed books poll too. You're doing a sterling job already, and apologies for complaining!

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ new nominations thread title

zvookster, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Can't wait to find out about all the good music from 2009 and then talk about it later like I was there all along.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Super excited for this, more so than the albums poll. Apart from Taylor Swift and Gaga both of whom I imagine will split votes over different songs, there didn't seem to be anything nearly as well-liked across the board as "American Boy" or "A Milli" or "Happy House" this year so I'm totally curious to see which tracks made it.

Roz, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link

always associated 'the girl & the robot' w/ kanye's 'robocop' & some weird forced non-trend of calling ppl robots. idk it's an ok song imo

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link

49 -- Kid Cudi – Day ‘n’ Nite (10 votes, 88 points) (18 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrDfSZ_6f4U

i like "day n nite." it sounds like early phil collins, or some other early '80s new wave noir. ― tipsy mothra

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i like "day n nite." it sounds like early phil collins, or some other early '80s new wave noir.

Yeah that's the first time I've heard it, and the two things the tune reminded me of were Spandau Ballet's 'To Cut A Long Story Short' and Kim Wilde's 'View From A Bridge'.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i was about to otm that quote when i realized it was by me...

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

this is like two years old??

zvookster, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link

but not actually "released" (and charted) until '09.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Pitchfork actually placed this in their top 500 songs of the '00s (the Crookers remix, that is), and then ditched it when it came to the end of the year.

Parenthetical Grillz, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i think this is the first time i've actually heard Day n Nite, i wish i hadn't been inundated with inane remixes of it b/c the original is actually pretty sweet.

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Yup. I was going to say something along those same lines.

Parenthetical Grillz, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't vote :( Gonna need to say a couple hail mary's. Or do the athiest equiv. Such just lots of masterbation and then eat an ice cream I guess.

dumb mack maine follows (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno how i never listened to that robyn/royksopp song before. it is great.

kaygee, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Royksopp and Robyn was my number one by a long way. I'd rate it more than anything either of them have done separately which is saying a lot.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

48 -- Animal Collective - Summertime Clothes (8 votes, 88.5 points) (50 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxhaRgJUMl8

I just want to be the first to say that "Summertime Clothes" is gonna be the jam to pwn all jams on this album. ― Whiney G. Weingarten

i want to go out this summer and hear "summertime clothes" being played from people's car radios -samosa gibreel

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^ this actually happened! also danced to 'my girls' at a party on a rooftop.

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link

im not an anco fanboy but even i know that the live version of "summertime clothes" that they were playing circa "strawberry jam" is so much better

waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link

closest thing to a second decent song on that album. my girls is great obv.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

no less than three anco album trax on this list, calling it now dorks

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

didn't Brother Sport place fairly high on the 2008 list? That might cancel out its presence on this one.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah no way brother sport tops summertime clothes. my girls top 5 easy.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link

wow that royksopp track is great, i hadn't heard it until now

ciderpress, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Don't think BroSport was nommed. x-post

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

Musically rox

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

wow that royksopp track is great, i hadn't heard it until now

<3 this, but voted for "This Must Be It," which I can't really see making this list if TGATR eked its way in at #50. Ya'll who are new to the 09 'sopp would be well-served to check out that one as well.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link

glad to see Cudi squeaked in, awesome thread title btw

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i didn't vote for that Royskopp, but it would've made a top 40 for me.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

So excited this is starting, and off to a great start IMO. Thanks again Musically!

50 is awesome but I just heard it v recently. Voted for 49 and 48!

smothered in country gravy (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

psyched!

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

47 -- Electrik Red - So Good (7 votes, 90 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orXd4a3paWM

their new single "So Good" sounds like "Pop Life" by Prince as covered by Kelis -The Brainwasher

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

<3 video

waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link

On first listen, that Animal Collective song needs more drums badly! Still good, though.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

ooh shit damn - good going for an act whose trax are gonna be soooo split

five or so years ago, that röyksopp/robyn track would've probably been a shoe-in for the top 10 - am really glad the the constituency of ilm has changed to move away from scandopop-fetishising

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

wow that royksopp track is great, i hadn't heard it until now

<3 this, but voted for "This Must Be It," which I can't really see making this list if TGATR eked its way in at #50. Ya'll who are new to the 09 'sopp would be well-served to check out that one as well.

I bailed out on them with 'The Understanding' and totally missed this and blow me 'Junior' is fab.

Bing Crosby, are you listening? (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

xp the scando-pop 5 years ago was better

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

46 -- Memory Tapes - Bicycle (7 votes, 95 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (238 in P&J, 46 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EgbtNMcdwM

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

e red are surprisingly innocent looking in that video. so adorable and goofy. great haircut, too.

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

that memory tapes is pretty okay they seemed like the kinda thing that would totally suck ass so i never bothered checking them out

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Can't pay my rent, cause all my money's spent
but thats OK, cause I'm glo-fli

waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

the one glo-fi song that i dug 100% was "feel it all around" -- it was the one joint of all of them that actually evoked summertime stonedness or w/e they were going for. and the rest of the EP was cool cuz it sounded pretty much like cut copy

waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Wow. I REALLY like this "Bicycle" song. The guitar sounds like Disco Inferno.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

i think i voted that #1, i forget

ciderpress, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

that memory tapes is pretty okay they seemed like the kinda thing that would totally suck ass so i never bothered checking them out

― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:03 PM Bookmark

same here. kinda sounds like mgmt, yeah?

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

eh -- mgmt is way (consciously) bigger (and better)

waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I love that Memory Tapes song. Have heard that the album is a bit patchy - is that true?

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

album is alright, this is the best song on it for sure

ciderpress, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Woah- no way, Memory Tapes album is righteously great.

From this thread: Memory Tapes - Seek Magic

"Stop Talking" is the fucking jam of all time. It's one of those songs that sounds like 4 different choruses, bouncing back and forth from one to the other. One of them just sounds like straight up italo disco, not a revival or impersonation, it just sounds like you found it in the racks and it's a secret gem.

― The World's Biggest Christ (Z S), Thursday, 8 October 2009 03:22 (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

"Stop Talking" so so great on so many levels!

― Tannenbaum Schmidt, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 13:18 (2 months ago) Bookmark

For me, it's totally the atmospherics, the dreamy textural stuff. I mean, my favourite moment is about 4:50 in Graphics, where the drum machine goes into New Order mode and that weird echoey NOISE goes off like an alarm as all the fuzzy sounds tinkle all around like wind-up birds gone wrong.

― Persian Pickle (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 22:25 (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Trainer-squeak hooks, disco, big earnest 80s vibe, especially in the vocals, that shine& the lightness in the rhythm; the rhythm is so different and flat on those bands. Only heard a handful of stuff by each but I would never have thought about them in the same sense as Stop Talking.

― ogmor, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 23:05 (2 months ago) Bookmark

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

well there you have it

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah okay, I hadn't seen that thread. Thanks!

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

saw Memory Tapes last week and they were okay - don't know the album well enough yet - occasionally brilliant but seemed to cut their set short for no apparent reason and didn't say anything to the crowd oh well. Bicycle is fucking great.

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

blueski, did you see them at The Luminaire or at The Social? I saw them at the Social and thought, for a guy who pretty much hates going out and is a bit of recluse, inspite of the sprightlyness of his music - they did a solid job.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean i've not heard mgmt i like half as much xp

luminaire. played and sang well enough but no crowd interaction or whatever.

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

that was the first time i heard Memory Tapes and that song is indeed great.

glad this thing is finally off the ground!

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

memory tapes tune has a nice remain in light sorta vibe, with more of a pop bent. (remain in lite?)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link

so good video really won me over.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

day n nit has a great video and an excellent hook but cudi's "rapping" is so bushwah, half-thought and annoying that I just reached critical mass with it. always wanted to hear what someone with a real speedy precise flow like em or even fuckin'tech9 would do with it.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

any links to people riding that track that anyone would recommend?

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

xp: despite everyone describing cudi as a rapper, I've never heard what he does as rapping per se, so that's never bugged me

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah "day n nite" is not a "rap song" in my mind.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

xp rev you might like this paul shirley guy ;)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/thelife/news/story?id=4837019

Kid Cudi isn't just a rapper, he's a singer-songwriter.

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

well he can't SING so I'm not sure what to call it. he's a lousy talker?

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

45 -- The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Hysteric (8 votes, 95.5 points) (237 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqKjIquR5Bc

I am simply crazy for Bicycle on this album, melody, bass, lushness, movement and texture, all of the requisite elements to make a song great in IMHO. Seriously great stuff. ― twentyfourtracks

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Memory Tapes my #2 (behind my favorite AnCo track, which probably won't place).

Enoki Doki (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

'hysteric' is kind of ilx canon -- surprised they never put it out as a single

waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

(xpost -- The blurb below YYY belongs with Memory Tapes, obviously.)

Enoki Doki (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm more surprised that "Dragon Queen" and "Runaway" weren't singles, tbh.

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

and i'm most surprised that "skeleton" IS the next single

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i love "hysteric" but didn't consider putting it on my ballot

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"Bicycle" is pretty good, but I never think of it as the obvious standout track or anything. (I agree with ZS about "Stop Talking.") It's a pretty solid album, IMO.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

that is weird, lex! my shortlist would have been the two I mentioned and "Dull Life"

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

"you complete me"? seriously?

zvookster, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

"dull life" is definitely the most underrated track off it's blitz - my immediate favourite and that hasn't changed, yet it rarely gets mentioned compared to "hysteric" or the singles

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

hey it's a great song but doesnt belong on a tracks ballot for the exact reason you prob are reacting to it, it's not a single and doesnt work as one

xp

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I've said this before but the "Dull Life"/"Shame and Fortune"/"Runaway" section is my favorite part of the album; I often play that sequence in isolation as if it were an encapsulated EP.

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link

ha those are prob my 3 least fav songs on the album >_<

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

am i alone in thinking "hysteric" is basically a u2 song? or is that the appeal?

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

the shifts and transitions in mood on "dull life" are so awesome

"the beast that i lie beneath - is coming in!"

ok maybe YYYs lyrics don't take well to being typed out but it sounds excellent

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

similarly the "all fortune on the floor" bit

Karen is really great at delivering lyrics

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah she had me at hello

zvookster, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I had noooo idea ilm liked the yyys so much. guess I never clicked on a yyys thread?

iatee, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

the video that musically posted at the top of the thread is actually really dope! better than like half the songs it samples

waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah it's amazing. the guy has done them for other years but none of them were as good as the 2009 one.

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

"dull life" is definitely the most underrated track off it's blitz - my immediate favourite and that hasn't changed

Hey me too!

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah my favourite thing on the album after Heads Will Roll

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link

i hate the DJ Earworm because i hate almost all of the songs on it, yrs hatey g

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

the next two were ties for #44:

44 -- Fever Ray - If I Had a Heart (9 votes, 97 points) (117 in P&J, 58 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJmkcguNVhE

I will say that "If I Had A Heart" is one of the best album openers ever recorded. -HI DERE

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link

44 -- Basement Jaxx - Raindrops (9 votes, 97 points) (46 in P&J, 24 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeovgXXQZNk

musically, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

nothing i voted for yet...

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

^^ me neither, but the last two were outliers on my list.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link

"Raindrops" is nice and all but the Yoko Ono track is really the standout. Having said that, there are better tracks on Electrik Red's album than "So Good", yet I still tactically voted for "So Good." It worked :)

danzig, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

so good is the only one i considered so far but i didn't vote for it obv

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

"So Good" and the Fever Ray are the only things I like so far. :( The YYY is okay except for the unfortunate jerry maguire chorus. Never heard her sing like that before, like soft but not dying, like she could sing country. Kind of amazed that Animal Collective sounds like that, just some hippy dippy stuff with some modern sounds splattered in? Nah.

zvookster, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link

something about "raindrops" makes me think of flight of the conchords. it's good, but it's such a type -- genus basement jaxxus -- that it could be send-up.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

all the songs i like here are from terrific parent albums that i voted for instead, and none are my no 1 choice on the album

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Never heard her sing like that before, like soft but not dying, like she could sing country

The country-adjacent-ness of Hysteric really stand out in the Acoustic Version from the Deluxe Edition of It's Blitz, which adds a counter-melody on the fiddle. And yeah, I know it's the same thing as a violin, but it codes "fiddle" in my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssewwKzI2Rk

Alex in Montreal, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

woa, yes, on the hook there, and suddenly the hook is much easier to take in the simple arrangement where the melody carries everything. But barring the hook and coda, the og arrangement is still nicer i think, with the singer pitching amid the guitars just marred by that one lyric. thanks for that.

zvookster, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

on second listen think this is winning me over

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link

42 -- Guido - Way U Make Me Feel (8 votes, 97.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYHbIXsLPcU

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

i like the Joker & Ginz remix of 'Raindrops' (tho really only in a 'it's Joker & Ginz remixing so gonna vaguely approve until i get too bored of their formula' way)

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link

starting to hear fever ray vocals over that Guido track which...works for me thx

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Nice to see the Guido place. This was one of many tracks that I didn't get around to checking out until the last minute and grew on me just in time to make my ballot.

Not brilliant, but nice enough (lou), Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

xp rev you might like this paul shirley guy ;)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/thelife/news/story?id=4837019

Kid Cudi isn't just a rapper, he's a singer-songwriter.

― k3vin k., Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:16 PM Bookmark

even if everything else in that article is eyeroll-worthy, the quote you pulled is otm

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

also, if you're so worried about whether cornballs like some of the same things you do, that's your sweat, not mine

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Really digging the Guido track, which was totally off my radar until now.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link

that Guido song is great, first time i heard it.

Bee OK, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Guido: Yes! (first thing so far from ballot)

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link

nothing i voted for yet

k3vin k., Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link

speak of the devil:

41 -- Pill - Trap Goin Ham (8 votes, 97.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (128 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z42Wxd-_drg

"trap goin ham" is a fuckin anthem ―k3vin k.

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link

THEY SAY YOU DOIN BASEBALL NUMBAS

een, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Love that Guido, first timer here. I can only find one other single. What else is there?

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/43/l_5c8ebaea3f1e45efa4155948aa168f04.jpg

Captain Ahab, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:55 (fourteen years ago) link

i would've voted for 'Beautiful Complication' and almost voted 'Way U Make Me Feel'. i think pill was #21 for me.
still none of my picks yet.
Guido - lovely lovely lovely (rolling post-dubstep/Purple Wow Sound thread for 2010)

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Post-dubstep? I actually almost made a post asking what that Guido track was as far as genre niche. (And, it's pleasant and everything, nothing I would have voted for but no surprise there.)

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

as discussed on that thread, EVERYBODY is stumbling around for a genre name there.

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:15 (fourteen years ago) link

i did vote for trap going ham in p+j; can't remember why i didn't for the ilx poll

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Guido is "purple-music"

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i voted for pill in the albums poll. trap go ham would place in a top 40 or so if i made it, happy it placed

johnny crunch, Thursday, 28 January 2010 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link

nice lil string there

waka shame (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:03 (fourteen years ago) link

the video that musically posted at the top of the thread is actually really dope! better than like half the songs it samples

― waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:46 PM (5 hours ago)

it's suuuper sappy but besides that it's actually...really inspired! and i hate mashups

max ipad (k3vin k.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link

ohhhh man i love these threads! This year I am resolved to actually take the time to listen to all the youtubes, as invariably like 95% of this is shit I've never heard and it can be really interesting (for me). Thanks as always to musically. Here comes mass blurbing of shit I just heard for the first time, so I can laugh at myself years from now.

50 (Royksopp) - eh - - listened to this earlier today, can't remember anything about it

49 (Kid Cudi) - Forksclovetofu OTM. Wake me up when the guy singing the song wakes up.

48 (Animal Collective) - nice overall sound, lyrics seem promising, gawd the effect on that guy's voice is really annoying though! I should check out this band more.

47 (Elektrik Red) - OK, this is nice. Kind of wanders all over the place but I like that. Not the best hook I've ever heard but great beat - could def. have a great time dancing to this.

46 (Memory Tapes) - not as soporific as Kid Cudi. If this was playing in a record store I'd ask what it was and then immediately forget. Seems to go interesting places as it meanders along but not really my kinda thing.

45 (Yeah Yeah Yeahs) - hey, this is nice! Probably the nicest-sounding thing I've heard by this band - I eventually warmed up to "Maps" and have a soft spot for "Gold Lion" but this is a better use of their bag of tricks I think. If Gold Lion was them realizing they should sound more like an alt-rock band covering "Play That Funky Music White Boy," this is them realizing they should sound more like Coldplay and I'm sold - great fucking chorus.

44a (Fever Ray) - i was with them on the big orbiting evil synth sounds but is this a comedy band? why do their vocals sound like Gregorian monks going on about Wookies? Next please.

44b (Basement Jaxx) - oh hell yeah! This is really cool. I should check these guys out more, I've liked basically everything I've heard by them and the chorus on this is just killer, closest thing I've heard from a non-mashup artist (I think?) to the Girl Talk payoff of a bunch of shit banging together to release your favorite song for the hook.

42 (Guido) - that there's a discussion over which sub-post-genre this belongs to is probably a sign that this isn't for me - I always stumble on these acts which as far as my brain is concerned get filed under Electronic. I like the synth sounds in this but I lose touch quickly when there's no vocals. I would probably get a lot more done if I liked music like this more. Toe-tapper though.

41 (Pill) - really liking this. Did he just say he's got pies flying at the sky?! I appreciate how the mix NEVER lets up, there's always this tension-inducing layer of buried yelling and stuff underneath the plinky-plonky sounds which are under the dude rambling about pies and the intermittent Beastie Boys sample. I genuinely have no clue what any of this is about but I'm feeling it.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 January 2010 05:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm white btw

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 January 2010 06:00 (fourteen years ago) link

lol Gregorian monks going on about Wookies

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 06:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Enigma's difficult second album iirc

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 06:03 (fourteen years ago) link

it's "pies flying out the spot" and he is referring to the sale of illegal drugs but you can pretend he's discussing pastry if you want. i sometimes do.

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 28 January 2010 06:15 (fourteen years ago) link

a couple reactions to DC's reactions: i think the casual vibe of the Kid Cudi's vocals go perfectly with music, the flatness and simplicity of his delivery highlights the music, whereas more aggressive or bombastic vocals would put the focus on his "rapping" and wouldn't serve the song as well imo (though this just might be my predilection for dance music over rap talking.) can't even begin to see the appeal of that Basement Jaxx song. you should give Fever Ray's album a chance, i think that song is a bizarre choice as a single as it doesn't make much sense to me separated from the album; i'm gonna go ahead and predict that her album will top the ILX album poll or come close.

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 28 January 2010 06:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I think I would sort of give the Kid Cudi thing a pass if the hook had a little more going on. Not my sorta thing overall, I guess - too laid-back for me to find anywhere to exist in the song. (But I do prefer rap talking to dance music so maybe this guy is just a good litmus test for that.)

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 January 2010 06:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Nice to see the Guido place. This was one of many tracks that I didn't get around to checking out until the last minute and grew on me just in time to make my ballot.

― Not brilliant, but nice enough (lou), Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:27 (7 hours ago) Permalink

autotuna fish (Tape Store), Thursday, 28 January 2010 07:48 (fourteen years ago) link

always forget that one of my favourite parts of these threads is seeing the reactions of people who didn't hear these songs before! guido and pill, my first two votes, great tracks.

"way u make me feel" was the b-side of "orchestral lab", which is just as beautiful - have pretty much always listened to them back to back. guido's got such a strong sense of melody and ability to evoke emotion. not gonna clutter up this thread w/youtubes but if you like that, definitely check out "orchestral lab", "cat in the window" (knife sharp strings), "beautiful complication" as mentioned earlier and this excellent article on guido's little bristol scene.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 08:27 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah for anyone hearing "so good" for the first time off that youtube clip, the best thing about the album version is how much swearier it is. "i thought i wouldn't really give a fuck / but now a bitch all in love" = line of the year.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 08:30 (fourteen years ago) link

really like that fever ray track - easily the best tune on the album too. was never a knife fan, so it took me a while to check FR out. glad I did.

second-best thing so far is kid cudi, but I too find the vocals really dreary and have to tune him out.

not much beyond that tickles me, but trap goin' ham is pretty forthright.

m the g, Thursday, 28 January 2010 10:11 (fourteen years ago) link

holy shit, that Guido track

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link

^ i know!! so superlative that it's kinda right that no one really knows what to call it / genre it should be.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Love seeing that Guido track in there.

Parenthetical Grillz, Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link

"Trap Goin Ham" is severely depressing.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I think I voted for "Summertime Clothes" and "Raindrops," glad to see those place (though the latter should really be top 20 material...).

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Any suggestions as to what "Trap Goin Ham" is *about*? I remember when this first popped up on ILX, but I forgot to follow up on it. Now that it appeared on this list, I have been listening to & enjoying it, but I can't make out a lot of the lyrics, save for the recurring "flying pies" theme. Could this really be a celebration of keeping ones community well-stocked with various foodstuffs, disguised as a coke-rap anthem, or is the store just a front (or metaphor) for the usual assortment of illicit activities? We got yams, dammit?

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Er, that was supposed to read: We got yams, dammit!

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link

You tell us, PILLbox.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm kinda with Pillbox. I kinda like the idea of a rap song just about how they're more or less breaking even running this convenience store. Baloney meat! Hostess Fruit Pies! Step right up, folks!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link

In my search for answers, I came across this, a captivating account of the filming of the Trap Goin Ham video shoot.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link

uh, just the "video shoot," not the "filming of the video shoot."

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Umm yeah watch the video. Personally would not let ppl smoke crack in my imaginary corner shop

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

here we go, 40-39, the lineup today includes one artist with two entries and the placing with the lowest average vote...

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

40 -- Big Boi feat. Gucci Mane - Shine Blockas (9 votes, 98.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (22 in P&J, 7 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwdU7I_1R9o

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost - tbh, the video doesn't offer much in the way of thematic info & seems to simply be a warts-and-all depiction of a neighborhood and its inhabitants, an impression which is validated by the blog post I linked to upthread.

OK, I'll shut up about Trap Goin Ham now.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

shine blockas is ace, btw.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

"Trap Goin Ham" is severely depressing.

― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 AM (1 hour ago)

whaaat

max ipad (k3vin k.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

low rating for a track which seemed big out there on the internets. this and "Exhibit C" came out late in the year and seemed to appeal to not just the usual suspects who follow rap releases but also older heads who've given up checking for new rap and generalist music fans. I guess because they're quite traditional sounding in production, it felt like these were huge consensus records.

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link

shine blockas i mean

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

there better be like 3 Gucci songs and 10 other rap songs in the top 40, or this list is as lame w/r/t hip hop as PF and P&J

Dr. Algernod Goon (some dude), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

shine blockas is a great song but did not end up voting for it. pretty good placement, the other two polls overrated it imo

xp al otm

max ipad (k3vin k.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

This list already has like twice as many hip-hop songs as the ones from the last couple years, I *think*? Don't quote me on that.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, and the first time response -

40 (Big Boi) - Not unpleasant on the ears. Kinda don't remember it now that it's over, will give it another spin later in the day and see if it's a grower.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean tho dude tbh i only voted for 3 or 4 rap songs...one of my criteria was how often i hear the song on the radio and not having rap radio well....i'm not voting hova

xp

max ipad (k3vin k.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

easy to see why trap goin ham vid could be depressing, surely? but in the track there's also exhilaration in the craziness which counters that.

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Shine Blockas should be #1. Sad thing is, I have never heard it on the R&B/Hip Hop radio station here. What a fuckin jam. I would have loved to hear it over and over again in my car. Instead I get "Bedrock".

Captain Ahab, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

there better be like 3 Gucci songs - the problem w/ Gucci is that ppls votes will be spread among the various tracks. I mean, dude released 7 singles in 09. "Wasted" is sure to be up there, at any rate.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link

^i think the same thing, it's anthemic the way certain mid-00's hip hop songs are imo. it took a few months for it to click for me though tbh. 1st of my votes to show up. xp

johnny crunch, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

"Shine Blockas" hasn't got even enough of a flicker of airplay to get into the top 100 of the Billboard R&B chart. i'm not even sure the label is pushing it as an official single.

xpost -- yeah but even vote-splitting aside, "Lemonade" deserves votes so much more and I don't expect to see that here

Dr. Algernod Goon (some dude), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i voted for "lemonade"

max ipad (k3vin k.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i get the pill = depressing thing, that's part and parcel of the whole "gritty street life" angle he works so well (and he makes it a lot more explicit on some of his other tracks), though it's not JUST depressing by any means

"shine blockas" is excellent, and it's great to hear gucci mane in such a different context than usual, but it's just nowhere near my FAVOURITE rap tracks of the year or something i'd consider voting for.

can't remember if i voted for a gucci track or just the mixtape but if i had it would've been "my shadow"

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link

aw don't spoil the suspense by telling what yr votes were plz

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Trap goin Ham (for the uninitiated):

trap house - Term used to define a crack house, or the surroundings in which a drug dealer or(trap star) would use to make their profit.

ham - When a person is unstoppable or just in the zone in any type sport or competition setting; It can also be defined as going crazy and buying up everything in a store; or even doing something beast like

So much for selling yams & pies then..

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

actually relistening, i can really see how "shine blockas" would only be improved by hearing it in public, on the radio &c - that piano and that descending bass are pretty perfect and the chorus just rollllls out like a red carpet

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks for the facts, Pillbox!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Shine Blockas and TGH coming so low makes me think that this poll isn't going to be very rap heavy. Can't exactly see anything other than Gucci/9x/10 coming higher than them. Was hoping for Glass low, TGH high.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link

cheers for doing this musically

ogmor, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

^^

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

yes, thanks!

Dan S, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link

rap tracks that I could see making the poll: Empire State of Mind, Wasted, 9X Outta 10, Best I Ever Had, House of Flying Daggers

nominated tracks that probably won't make it but are as deserving as any of the above: Lemonade, Mafia Music, Swag Surfin, Who Dat, Every Girl, Renaissance Rap (remix), You're A Jerk, Cold Summer, Turn My Swag On

Dr. Algernod Goon (some dude), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link

surely there's enough of a jerk posse to get a couple of placings there? unless the vote was split :(

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link

pink dollaz - "pockets never hungry" was dope and on the nomination list

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link

if u like shina blockas make sure you google for the other big boi track from last year 'fo yo sorrows'

david cam'ron (tpp), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link

i can't see anything besides maybe "you're a jerk" having a profile high enough to get >10 votes

Dr. Algernod Goon (some dude), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

if 'empire state of mind' makes this poll i mite suggest ban myself

david cam'ron (tpp), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link

btw I lied, there are two artists that double-dipped in the 40-31

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link

39 -- Fever Ray - When I Grow Up (1 vote, 10.5 points for D. Lissvik Remix) (9 votes, 101.5 points) (97 in P&J, 36 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-CpE73o2M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MbZEyHy0iM

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

"when i grow up" is actually far far more of an odd choice a) as a single b) as an individual track to vote for than "if i had a heart" - i pretty much only listen to it in the context of the album, and it's great but not a highlight. loved the lissvik remix on first hearing but it's more of a curiosity innit, has nothing on the banging martyn remix of "seven"

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

fo yo sorrows was even better than shine blockas imo but less universal appeal

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Nice! The first of my voets to appear. <3<3 this track, tho still I wish I could have voted for "Concrete Walls" (which is my favorite track from the FR album).

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link

lmao at the fever ray vid. what's going on there? is she some sort of witch or shaman in sneakers?

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link

liking that D. Lissvik Remix of Fever Ray - hadn't heard it before. I guessing there will be at least a couple more Fever Tracks in the rest of the results.

and echoing others, THKS muscially. really enjoying the countdown.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link

guys, a pie is a bird; think visually like a cream pie
a yam is a rubber filled with heroin.

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, now my innocence has been completely shattered.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link

"when i grow up" is actually far far more of an odd choice a) as a single b) as an individual track to vote for than "if i had a heart" -

I would reverse these. "When I Grow Up" is easily my favorite track on the album, while "If I Had a Heart" mostly just sounds like a warm-up/intro to me. I listen to the former by itself all the time.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link

agreed^ "if i had a heart" is great for setting the atmosphere of the album, but as far as being an actual song it seems really slight. someone said upthread that it was by far their favorite song on the album and i'm just like O_o are we listening to the same album?

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i got to love "if i had a heart" as an individual track b/c i had to, before the album was released; it's popped up in a few dj mixes too (notably dixon's excellent temporary secretary) and its steady pulse means it works really well there. also, it's secretly very catchy indeed (which "when i grow up" isn't, at all, for me).

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link

that's true, it works surprisingly well on that dixon mix, sped up a little; though it does play a similar role as an atmospheric tone-setter

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link

since I don't know that song I now have "When I Grow Up" by the Pussycat Dolls in my head, thanks a lot you fucking guys

Dr. Algernod Goon (some dude), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link

and now i have a mental image of the pussycat dolls ft. fever ray - when i grow up (medley)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link

this one had the lowest average vote:

38 -- Florence & the Machine - You Got the Love (Jamie xx Re-Work) (12 votes, 101.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1UiFU-K1dQ

Their remix of Florence and the Machine's "You've Got The Love" is astonishing, one of my favourite things of this year. ― Tim F

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link

It's really annoying me trying to figure out what other rap song features the same sample as Shine Blockas. I'm sure its a song I've heard millions of times, I just can't seem to remember and it is bugging the hell out of me. I'm thinking Kanye but that can't be right. Anyone wanna help?

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link

so does that mean the original florence cover didn't get any votes? (which is how it should be.)

(xp)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link

First one I voted for - didn't save my ballot, but pretty sure I put it in the appropriate 18th or 19th place.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

@ a hoy hoy, replace xxxx with http (don't want to post an OT video in this thread)
xxxx://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey2JUUrBFs8

Enoki Doki (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

and now i have a mental image of the pussycat dolls ft. fever ray - when i grow up (medley)

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:12 PM

okay this would be ridiculously awesome

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

It's really annoying me trying to figure out what other rap song features the same sample as Shine Blockas. I'm sure its a song I've heard millions of times, I just can't seem to remember and it is bugging the hell out of me. I'm thinking Kanye but that can't be right. Anyone wanna help?

― brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:34 AM (4 minutes ago)

Jay-Z - This Can't Be Life (Kanye prod.)

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I keep wishing they'd recorded that, decided that they didn't want to put out under a "Florence & The Machine" banner and just released it - rightfully - as The XX's "You Got The Love"

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link

That remix is great. It would have placed higher if I had remembered to put it on my ballot

Dan S, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

THIS CAN'T BE LIFE! omg thank you! that was annoying me so much. Scarface verse slays me.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link

florence+xx is the first thing i voted for fyi

plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

First one I voted for - didn't save my ballot, but pretty sure I put it in the appropriate 18th or 19th place.

― Ismael Klata, Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:38 PM (18 minutes ago)

this including putting it 18th

plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

AFAIK the original was not even nominated...

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Just looked over my ballot, i'd be shocked if more than five of my votes made it to THE FINAL COUNTDOWN

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link

but holding out hope for ester dean

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

hey musically idk if my emails arent getting through but if you could plz email me my ballot that would be great

Shower to the sheeple! (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

DON'T DO IT IT'S A TRAP

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm liking the way this is shaping up, so far i like every single song.

samosa gibreel, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

there better be like 3 Gucci songs and 10 other rap songs in the top 40, or this list is as lame w/r/t hip hop as PF and P&J

― Dr. Algernod Goon (some dude), Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:50 (2 hours ago) Bookmark

i voted for "wasted" and "lemonade" which i figure both have a good chance of charting. not sure what else would attract tonnes of votes, maybe "first day out" or "dope boys." was the h.a.t.e.u remix nominated? it's not likely it would end up above shine blockas, but it's just as good.

samosa gibreel, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link

37 -- Lindstrøm & Prins Thomas - Tirsdagsjam (10 votes, 105.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)

http://www.mediafire.com/?rvd4ttznagj - can anyone find a streaming, easy to link to copy?

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

The edit is myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/lindstromandprinsthomas

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

is *on* myspace

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

36 -- Gucci Mane ft. Plies - Wasted (11 votes, 105.5 points) (100 in P&J, 96 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qql0Yi4DxU

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't wear tight jeans like the white boys
But I do get wasted like the white boys
Now I'm looking for a bitch to suck dis almond joy
Said she gotta stop sucking 'cause her jaw's sore

hell yeah. Let's get it.

Captain Ahab, Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Plies gif request still pending: Hey, let me drunkenly animate your photos in about 15 minutes!

Dr. Algernod Goon (some dude), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link

good song but gucci has >20 better songs from last year, and a couple better singles. don't have a problem w/ it placing tho - it was by far his biggest

max ipad (k3vin k.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link

ha i was really convinced that no other gucci was gonna make the list

pretty rad

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link

some dude: u have to get z s drunk first

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

good song but gucci has >20 better songs from last year, and a couple better singles. don't have a problem w/ it placing tho - it was by far his biggest

― max ipad (k3vin k.), Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:41 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i could buy that he has 20 better verses but definitely not 20 better songs, and certainly not better singles. it felt like an instant classic to me because the chorus is so anthemic. "lemonade" is great but it doesn't have the wide-appeal sloganeering of "party, party, party let's all get wasted"

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

we don't get Z S drunk no more, we get wasted

Dr. Algernod Goon (some dude), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

more a dumb frat boy novelty hit than an instant classic. plies kind of saves it though, coming in with a different energy.

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i think it's as instant classic -- and as much in the territory of frat boy novelty hit -- as "back that azz up". and yeah plies is perfect for the song -- pretty sure i've said this elsewhere but his slurry droopy-eyed thing works just right on "wasted" -- it's weird that he's actually essential on something. also it's lol @ how repudiated oj da juiceman was by the listening public once the label tried to push the version w/ him

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

plies is perfect for every song now, come on

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

For a minute in 09, this song had me randomly inserting the word "click" into phrases.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link

no it really suffers by comparison to "back that azz up" which is funky as hell. this is more jump up and down and shout the hook type dealie, but doesn't compare well with classic stuff in that cat. either, like MOP or Onyx say (not that MOP had mad hits, or not that i particularly like Onyx personally). the best comparison is prolly the obv one, "party like a rockstar".

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

dude onyx made possibly the 13th best rap single of the 90s and should be seen as legends for it alone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ThxWzkELk

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

looool yeah yeah at least i said they were recognized as classic, just not favorites of mine sorry!

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

one of my favorite aggro raps of the year was "O Let's Do It" which was a minor hit despite not having the veneer of inclusive fun Wasted has, with that darkly insistent hook it slays me

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

ok but any excuse to post onyx bangers

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

man, comparing it to "party like a rockstar" is selling it short as hell (whiteboy fetishizing in the video excepted). the "party like a rockstar" chorus is just them repeating the title over and over, whereas "wasted" -- as is the norm for tons of gucci songs -- has a chorus that is as wordy as it is catchy, and is inventive because of that. i think it has a facade of being dumbed down when really the chorus alone is as lyrical as any verse that was on rap radio this year. and obv the verses in "party like a rockstar" aren't even comparable to those in "wasted"

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

and i like "wasted" as much as "ante up", for the record

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

ok that last part is kinda crazy

"Wasted" was a top notch '09 southern rap radio hit but i dunno if it could really compete w/ anything of comparable stature pre-'08

some dude, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

oooh, the FloMac/xx joint is great. I need to track it down.

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

They play Gucci Mane on the radio?

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

I was kind of shocked because they played a Gucci Mane track on Boston radio the other day! I was all "wait, waht" right up until my wife changed the channel because she hated it.

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

"wasted" was a huge rap/r&b radio hit

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i accept that (selling it short) but you did use anthemic and wide-appeal sloganeering as why you think it might be a better pick than lemonade so i was probably coming from there more than a little bit

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

"Wasted" is fun but it ain't no "Back That Azz Up" or "Ante Up", that's for sure

one of my favorite aggro raps of the year was "O Let's Do It" which was a minor hit despite not having the veneer of inclusive fun Wasted has, with that darkly insistent hook it slays me

― zvookster, Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:26 PM Bookmark

I started chanting "O Let's Do It" when I was drunk wasted at a party the other night and no one had any idea what I was on about. :(

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

"Wasted" being a huge r&b/rap radio hit seems very geographically dependent. As I've said before, neither of the rap/r&b stations in the cities I've lived in while it was a hit picked up on it.

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe you were chanting it wrong (i.e. pronouncing the consonants) and they didn't recognize it (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

"'oh let's do it?'...OH! he means 'olé dewey'!"

some dude, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

ha

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Ante Up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most rap singles/Wasted > Back That Azz Up

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

man that's just crazy talk

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

ante up = back that azz up >>>> most rap singles = wasted

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

tho i might put last days above that whole fray

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ me reading "Ante Up" and thinking "Party Up" for far too long

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

35 -- Crazy Cousinz - Inflation (8 votes, 106 points, 3 #1 vote/s) (455 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74cMDYvVkuM

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

YES "inflation"!!! god that xylophone never fails to put a grin on my face.

also u&k: the aidonia dancehall vocal of it: xxxx://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuDSiJZ4Bg8 (replace xxxx w/http as per earlier)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

3 #1 votes!

Not brilliant, but nice enough (lou), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

through the first third of the year it was pretty much no 1 - i voted trax unranked though

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

as for "wasted" it's not a gucci song i ever really think about, i don't get to experience it on the radio and it's weird that plies is the main attraction. i guess it's pretty fun though.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

this keeps getting better and better tbh

samosa gibreel, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

ikr - 16 down, and i actively like 12 of them.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link

I heard "Kiss Me Thru The Phone" is the #1.

Captain Ahab, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd like to hear this with a vocal, whether dancehall or house diva. not really feeling the autotuned dude lex linked. youtube has sean paul freestyle his singsong uptown thing over it on kiss fm in the uk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emKzeDqi7g4

any others?

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link

ack sorry didn't mean to embed

zvookster, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll leave it to deej to let me know if Gucci is played on Power 92 -- I only listen to the Top 40 stations, and he's not played on those.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

34 -- Washed Out - Feel It All Around (10 votes, 106 points) (44 in P&J, 10 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DkslcOhytU

Air meets 10cc in a dance production = great+ a future "best new music" in pfrk.

what else can you ask for? ― Zeno

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

awesome song

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm really kind of blown away by how many of these I like!

Enoki Doki (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I agree it's a really good list up to this point. re: Washed Out -- he seems to be the lead dog in this whole subgenre, and it's not by chance. He does more with the same components than people like Neon Indian or Toro y Moi or Ducktails or whoever else. I hope when he finally make a proper album, he still writes the same way but increases the fidelity a little bit.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

make=makes

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

i know i was listening to lots of old music, but this list makes me feel like i just missed 2k9 tbh

plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I suspect the whole Washed Out album is good, if I was more familiar with it I think it would have made my album ballot.

sleeve, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

It was actually two separate EP's, wasn't it? iirc the EP this was on, "Life Of Leisure" was the better of the two.

Dan S, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

thread needs the official washed out vid IMO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PuCkZ1ALkI

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

xp

Plax tell me about Henry Purcell.

Captain Ahab, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Washed Out song is cool. So far the only thing I actively dislike is AC.

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

33 -- Bob Dylan - Must Be Santa (8 votes, 107 points) (132 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTgqnXae2LQ

musically, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

:)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

my favorite video of the year.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

(video is here, btw.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Bah humbug!

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link

dylan needs his own "haters gonna hate" gif.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

*jaw drops in horror*

max ipad (k3vin k.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

i had no idea bob dylan released anything in 2009. i only realised a few weeks ago he was still alive.

the washed out track is one i hadn't heard of before, it's pretty nice. 10cc-meets-air seems about right.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

i only realised a few weeks ago he was still alive.

lol @ this

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

it was a specific thing, there was a thread where people were talking about his real name, suddenly realised i had no idea and had to wikipedia it. that thread also taught me that this one old pj harvey song is actually a dylan cover :(

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

dylan's real 2009 album was sort of meh. but the christmas album is a classic of some kind or other.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link

(by pj harvey you mean "highway 61"? yes. that is a bob dylan song.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

'Feel It All Around' is only the 4th or 5th best track on the Life Of Leisure EP btw

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I was liking that Washed Out thing 'till the vocals came in...

DavidM, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i like that glo-fi (or whatever-it-is) stuff ok, but not as much as the idib-type stuff. they have somewhat adjacent aesthetics, but with different emphases. idib is all-night-driving music, things like washed up seem more sort of for afternoon picnics.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost: idib ?

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Italians... Worked it out myself

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ the dylan :D

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

32 -- Fuzzy Logic feat. Egypt - In The Morning (9 votes, 109 points) (1293 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAukDla8Vbg

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:26 (fourteen years ago) link

fuck me, I just listened to a xmas song on january 28th

xp: yay!

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:26 (fourteen years ago) link

'Feel It All Around' is only the 4th or 5th best track on the Life Of Leisure EP btw

― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:02 PM (23 minutes ago)

^pretty compelling argument for "stop voting for fucking album tracks" the way i see it

max ipad (k3vin k.), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Yay "In the Morning"!

maciej recognizing trill, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link

^pretty compelling argument for "stop voting for fucking album tracks" the way i see it

― max ipad (k3vin k.), Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

this was a single, smart guy

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Happy to see the Dylan make it. That whole album just sounds like he and his band are having the best time playing these hoary old chestnuts.

Sad to say my favorite thing posted thus far is the Onyx track by a fair margin.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link

But Feel it All Around was pretty much as close to a "single" as Washed Out got this year. xp

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link

34 -- Washed Out Up - Feel It All Around (10 votes, 106 points) (44 in P&J, 10 in p4k)

Fixed (with apologies).

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link

this is a crazy stretch of songs imo

johnny crunch, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:52 (fourteen years ago) link

what threads that i do not click on are these discussed on

johnny crunch, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:52 (fourteen years ago) link

not counting washed out. & i prob know where the bob was talked abt

johnny crunch, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Fixed (with apologies).

ha that's how i actually typed it without even noticing a few posts back.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 January 2010 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link

last one for the day:

31 -- Fever Ray - Seven (3 votes, 23 points for Martyn's Seventh Remix) (11 votes, 111 points) (1601 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW972em87MU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWSnq04o5Jk

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link

'Feel It All Around' is only the 4th or 5th best track on the Life Of Leisure EP btw

― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:02 PM (23 minutes ago)

^pretty compelling argument for "stop voting for fucking album tracks" the way i see it

― max ipad (k3vin k.), Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:28 PM (22 minutes ago)

wow that's pretty compelling unless you see this 7" at all the shops in your neighborhood on the reg:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2763/4312857406_c054dc03c6_o.jpg

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 01:06 (fourteen years ago) link

50 -- Royksopp feat. Robyn - The Girl and the Robot (8 votes, 88 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (380 in P&J, 68 in p4k)
49 -- Kid Cudi – Day ‘n’ Nite (10 votes, 88 points) (18 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
48 -- Animal Collective - Summertime Clothes (8 votes, 88.5 points) (50 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
47 -- Electrik Red - So Good (7 votes, 90 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
46 -- Memory Tapes - Bicycle (7 votes, 95 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (238 in P&J, 46 in p4k)
45 -- Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Hysteric (8 votes, 95.5 points) (237 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
44 -- Fever Ray - If I Had a Heart (9 votes, 97 points) (117 in P&J, 58 in p4k)
44 -- Basement Jaxx - Raindrops (9 votes, 97 points) (46 in P&J, 24 in p4k)
42 -- Guido - Way U Make Me Feel (8 votes, 97.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
41 -- Pill - Trap Goin Ham (8 votes, 97.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (128 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
40 -- Big Boi feat. Gucci Mane - Shine Blockas (9 votes, 98.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (22 in P&J, 7 in p4k)
39 -- Fever Ray - When I Grow Up (1 vote, 10.5 points for D. Lissvik Remix) (9 votes, 101.5 points) (97 in P&J, 36 in p4k)
38 -- Florence & the Machine - You Got the Love (Jamie xx Re-Work) (12 votes, 101.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
37 -- Lindstrøm & Prins Thomas - Tirsdagsjam (10 votes, 105.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
36 -- Gucci Mane ft. Plies - Wasted (11 votes, 105.5 points) (100 in P&J, 96 in p4k)
35 -- Crazy Cousinz - Inflation (8 votes, 106 points, 3 #1 vote/s) (455 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
34 -- Washed Out - Feel It All Around (10 votes, 106 points) (44 in P&J, 10 in p4k)
33 -- Bob Dylan - Must Be Santa (8 votes, 107 points) (132 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
32 -- Fuzzy Logic feat. Egypt - In The Morning (9 votes, 109 points) (1293 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
31 -- Fever Ray - Seven (3 votes, 23 points for Martyn's Seventh Remix) (11 votes, 111 points) (1601 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link

too much Sweden imo

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Too much Fever Ray, at least.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 01:15 (fourteen years ago) link

is that lindstrom & prins song from III?

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

too much Sweden imo

yeah what a shame it's not 100% American

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 29 January 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

easy to see why trap goin ham vid could be depressing, surely? but in the track there's also exhilaration in the craziness which counters that.

The exhilaration is part of what makes it so depressing, the exhilaration-in-degradation. It just makes it worse to me. (Anyway, it's hopeless arguing the point here.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 29 January 2010 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah what a shame it's not 100% American

― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:19 PM (7 minutes ago)

you must have me confused with chuck eddy wtf

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link

is that lindstrom & prins song from III?

Did you mean II? Either way, it's a stand-alone single that was released at the same time.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

xps: I don't get "exhilerating" out of "urgent" and "nervous". It sounds like everything's going to hell in a handbasket.

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 02:08 (fourteen years ago) link

trap goin hambasket

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 January 2010 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha once again the ilx trax poll makes me certain that i am from space and just a visitor on your 2009 planet

srsly? im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (jjjusten), Friday, 29 January 2010 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link

that or you havent heard the fever ray album

max ipad (k3vin k.), Friday, 29 January 2010 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link

ha thats the only stuff on here i actually know!

srsly? im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (jjjusten), Friday, 29 January 2010 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link

What genres of music do you like, JJ?

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 29 January 2010 02:34 (fourteen years ago) link

(and sorry dudes about the only stuff on here i really much like, i am obv not wired to accurately process crazy cousinz or that fuzzy logic thing)

xpost: well until today i thought i liked most of them? also i see what you are doing there you scamp

srsly? im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (jjjusten), Friday, 29 January 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link

no i see what you mean _Rudipherous_, and reverend too. it's like the sort of first-person narrative that had the first wave of gangsta rappers trying to reject that label for "reality rap" with tracks a sort of embedded reportage. like chuck d saw the lineage from PE to NWA. but there is exhilaration in it, he's not going to lie down and die, he's going to get money, so throws himself into it headlong. it's complicated.

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link

there was a thread where people were talking about his real name, suddenly realised i had no idea and had to wikipedia it. that thread also taught me that this one old pj harvey song is actually a dylan cover :(

OK, I hate Dylan as much as the next guy (and thought that his placement on this poll was a joke, since I've heard nothing but derision for that Xmas album, even among Dylan stans), but this is ridic. The name of the song is "Highway 61 Revisited"!!!

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Friday, 29 January 2010 02:42 (fourteen years ago) link

pretty sure lex got all these reactions in the first thread.

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link

is that a sort of cajun thing that's the basis of the dylan track? sounds like shane mcgowan to me.

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link

lol jaymc + all these reactions are otm tho

johnny crunch, Friday, 29 January 2010 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Sounds more like tom-waits-cum-klezmer music to me. xp

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link

(but yeah, it's equally zydeco-ish)

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link

just to be clear i had heard of this bob dylan fellow

srsly? im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (jjjusten), Friday, 29 January 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link

xps: ehhh, it seems only natural that the lower reaches will be filled with relative minority concerns. wait for the top places for the big consensus picks.

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link

jj apparently has not been reading the funky house thread

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link

whoops

srsly? im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (jjjusten), Friday, 29 January 2010 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link

we will make you a uk funky fan yet ;)

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha once again the ilx trax poll makes me certain that i am from space and just a visitor on your 2009 planet

― srsly? im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (jjjusten)

had you heard more than one of these songs? then you have me beat.

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks musically. I love nearly all of these songs. You chose good.

Captain Ahab, Friday, 29 January 2010 06:27 (fourteen years ago) link

"IN THE MORNING" and the martyn remix of "seven" getting recognition!!!! ilx ilu, this is making me v satisfied - i'm not even sure whether i voted for half the stuff i love that's come up so far but it's so good to see it place. this list is ridiculously strong and honestly puts all the other polls to shame.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 29 January 2010 08:34 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ three fever ray tracks placing though - love the album but on its poll thread everyone seemed to be like "man, too difficult to isolate one, it works best as an ALBUM" so this is kind of unexpected

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 29 January 2010 08:36 (fourteen years ago) link

fever ray more like zzzzz ray amirite

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm guilty of voting for a Fever Ray single (I think, iirc), but seeing three of them in the bottom 20 is kind of ridiculous.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 09:12 (fourteen years ago) link

The one vid I played so far is that Dylan one.

Is his hair alright?

And why was that guy smashing the place up?

Mark G, Friday, 29 January 2010 09:25 (fourteen years ago) link

You should check out some of the other songs Mark. You might like the Memory Tapes one?

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Friday, 29 January 2010 09:30 (fourteen years ago) link

I know, I should...

Mark G, Friday, 29 January 2010 09:33 (fourteen years ago) link

the way everything's structured on Inflation is exquisite, working on that snare while those strings and whoops build&then perfect deployment of that xylophone (2009 has been the best ever year for synth xylophone&this is the peak). feels like a breakthrough, stylistically, or at least an awesome detour, i've never heard funky w/that space and tension before, and also it's banging. worthy of anyone's time.

ogmor, Friday, 29 January 2010 10:26 (fourteen years ago) link

^OTM Inflation blew me away...UK Funky might just have a new fan.

David Katz (davek_00), Friday, 29 January 2010 11:08 (fourteen years ago) link

:-)

Tim F, Friday, 29 January 2010 12:50 (fourteen years ago) link

no less than three anco album trax on this list, calling it now dorks

― k3vin k., Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:20 PM

you meant Fever Ray, right

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link

well both probably, plus phoenix and YYYs with at least two as well

max ipad (k3vin k.), Friday, 29 January 2010 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link

the way everything's structured on Inflation is exquisite, working on that snare while those strings and whoops build&then perfect deployment of that xylophone (2009 has been the best ever year for synth xylophone&this is the peak). feels like a breakthrough, stylistically, or at least an awesome detour, i've never heard funky w/that space and tension before, and also it's banging. worthy of anyone's time.

― ogmor, Friday, January 29, 2010 2:26 AM (5 hours ago)

you should check out this 30 year old ditty which that part immediately reminded me of when i first heard Inflation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJHqR6PqDV4

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

2009 has been the best ever year for synth xylophone

I love this quote. Hoping that 2010 can build on that success!

Ismael Klata, Friday, 29 January 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

40 (Big Boi) - Second listen, remains pleasant - I think I'll walk around today and see if it ends up popping into my head all the time (which "Raindrops," "Hysteric," and "Trap Goin Ham" have all pulled off so far). I might DL this and keep it in rotation.

39 (Fever Ray) - Oh no, the wookies have been overthrown by a tribe of elvish Vikings mourning their lost loves from the mountaintops! And conducting freaky seances in suburban backyards, apparently. Actually this is much better than the goofy chanting one. Wouldn't mind a full record of this going on in the background, but since the chanting is apparently the killer, high-energy first track on the album I might be SOL.

38 (Florence, Machine, and Jamie xx Re-Work?) - I bet this sounds great on less shitty speakers. Right now feels a bit empty on the bass end. But a nice enough thing, I like the parts when the remix people are fucking with it more, the main singing stuff is a little too off-the-shelf soulful for me. I bet Fergie could do a good cover of this.

37 (Lindstroem & Prins Thomas) - By this time I'm super suspicious of anything where an O has a slashy line through it - shit never works out - but this is groovy! My copy has a glitch though, somebody took out the lead vocal that's clearly supposed to be here. I keep waiting for "Fresh" Prins Thomas to start dropping some Norwegian science but no. Don't get me wrong, this is fucking great music but if there's nothing to sing along to I can't figure what use to put this to. Ahh fuck, this is pretty good. The other tracks on Myspace aren't quite as killer but, whatever. Do y'all think I'll be able to find this at the record store?

36 (Gucci Mane) - Not quite getting this one. Pretty sluggish. Don't know why Blink-182 gets crucified for imagined red cups between takes and these guys can actually have them in the video and nothing bad happens. I mean I guess it's a pisstake of a frat party or something but there's not a lot going on here.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 29 January 2010 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

30 -- DJ Quik & Kurupt - Hey Playa! (Moroccan Blues)(11 votes, 114 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (214 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kI5zc9JDgg

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link

o sweet!

johnny crunch, Friday, 29 January 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Don't get me wrong, this is fucking great music but if there's nothing to sing along to I can't figure what use to put this to.

o_O

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Friday, 29 January 2010 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Wouldn't mind a full record of this going on in the background, but since the chanting is apparently the killer, high-energy first track on the album I might be SOL.

I would consider drastically readjusting your preconceived notions here.

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

pretty cool to see that show up, since I like it way more than the one that tends to get more EOY list love, "9X Outta 10." can't remember if I voted for it or some other BlaQKout cut, though. xpost

some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

that's cool. i went for "9 x outta 10," but i'd be happy for them both to make it. i didn't love that album overall the way some people did, but the highlights are pretty high.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 January 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

HEY PLAYA :D

i have more affection for "hey playa", more admiration for "9xs", and a lot of the time default to "watcha wan do" or "ohh!" instead.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 29 January 2010 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

i let all the quik and kurupt singles pass in favor of pushing that for best album, but i do love me some hey playa

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

nice tune & all (& I voted for a different DJQ/K track) but the trad satin "Compton" cap & jheri curl look suited DJ Quik a lot better than the beach-bum thing he's got going on in that video.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Friday, 29 January 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

awesome song of course, i bet "9x outta 10" is really high as well

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

29 -- House of House - Rushing to Paradise (Walkin' These Streets) (11 votes, 114.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (148 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2qXAifCMnk

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link

love that track, so epic

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link

also how in god's name did it take so long for someone to use "house of house" as a band name

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Very happy to see House of House (my #2) make it. Are there any dance tracks anyone expects to see in the rest of the list, tho? Hyph Mngo maybe?

maciej recognizing trill, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link

almost certainly. and i'd be surprised if a joker track didn't get on as well.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, the bobbins massive seems to be pwning this poll.

Jeff W, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link

DJ Quik & Kurupt - Hey Playa! (Moroccan Blues)(11 votes

o take a bow you fine ladies and gentlemen

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

still kicking as a potential #1 on the singles jukebox countdown as well, when and if that finishes

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

the trad satin "Compton" cap & jheri curl look suited DJ Quik a lot better than the beach-bum thing he's got going on in that video

right, on a fuckin' camel. stop living in the past, man.

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

28 -- Azari & III - Reckless With Your Love (9 votes, 116 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (481 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6T3I_Zskfs

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link

this list is not very spotify-friendly.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

having said that i am loving the 90s retro video and groove of house of house xp

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I actually really like this one!

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link

woohoo! 3 songs in a row I've voted for!

danzig, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link

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zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

damn, had not heard that azari and it's banging

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

:) :) :)

Not brilliant, but nice enough (lou), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link

goddamn this is awesome; are they a movement? how's everything else by them?

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link

"Hungry For the Power" is equally as great, I think. Thought that would split the vote for sure.

maciej recognizing trill, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Their other big single is Hungry for the Power, which is good and has a pretty amazing video, but I prefer RWYL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWfNvPqKRJ0

xpost

Not brilliant, but nice enough (lou), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

^ Azari & III - Hungry For The Power

http://xxx.youtube.com/watch?v=mWfNvPqKRJ0

I envy yr first viewing/listen

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link

awesome - this list so far has a ton of tracks i felt physical pain at having to leave off my ballot, great to see them show up. can't believe we're nearly halfway through and i actively love all but a handful

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha! yeah that X 3

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

and agree that "reckless" is the marginally better song but the "hungry" video is u&k

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

goddamn this is awesome; are they a movement? how's everything else by them?

― forksclovetofu, Friday, January 29, 2010 1:36 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

from now on "are they a movement?" will be the first question I ask about any artist I am being introduced to

some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

woooooooow, these are both GREAT

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

led me here, btw: http://deepmovements.blogspot.com/2009/12/top-fourteen-music-boners-of-2009.html
also here:
http://masalacism.blogspot.com/

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link

(btw Cedric, the vocalist on Reckless With Your Love is hopefully due to collab with Friendly Fires on their 2010 album, which is more techno inspired.)

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm loving this run but it's making me worry that we'll get through all the tracks I like now and then the top 20'll be, like, all GAPDY.

lords of hyrule (c sharp major), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link

haha yeah i was gonna say, it's taking a long time for this list to get boring

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, that's what I was thinking earlier when I asked if folks anticipated more dance. Here's to hoping.

maciej recognizing trill, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah the list has been especially dope today

"reckless with your love" is sick -- can't remember if i voted for it or not but i it pwns "hungry for the power"

it just has that... feel

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

27 -- Darkstar - Aidy's Girl Is A Computer (9 votes, 118.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (161 in P&J, 100 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie5y3M5mgmA

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

yay, House of House was my #1!

yay for "Hey Playa!"

yay for Azari & III! I voted for the other single though, which I hope still places

xp: and now I have something new to check out

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

legitimately never even heard of this song

i guess it's dubstep?

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Another track I didn't vote for but really like.

maciej recognizing trill, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

"aidy's girl" is SO GORGEOUS

xps - yeah it was (finally) released on the hyperdub comp w/ikonika, 2000f & j kamata, cooly g, joker and zomby - guido and subeena also fit under this umbrella - the way the melody develops slays me

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 29 January 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

legitimately never even heard of this song 25% of these songs

i guess it's dubstep?

― Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, January 29, 2010 2:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

idk if i even voted for it but it's wayyyy up there for me

w/that i'm off out, hold it down 4 me

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 29 January 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm really liking this list so far

Dan S, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link

i haven't voted for any of these yet, but about 60% of them would've made a top fifty. It's a great run.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

man totally forgot to vote for House of House.

yeah i don't think i voted for any of these apart from Tirsdagsjam but I love it all pretty much! Except for AnCo (still zzzz) and Florence/XX (liked ok but wouldn't vote for). I even love Raindrops now - remember sampling it and being bored, but I think I wasn't in the right frame of mind at the time.

this thread may also be singlehandedly changing my perception of dubstep/wonky/funky/whatevs-honestly-can't-tell-this-stuff-apart, what little of it i've been exposed to mostly bored me to tears but the Guido is great and the Darkstar track is really lovely.

Roz, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

this thread may also be singlehandedly changing my perception of dubstep/wonky/funky/whatevs-honestly-can't-tell-this-stuff-apart

Not me. These last few have been total zzzzzzzz-ville afaic.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

this thread may also be singlehandedly changing my perception of dubstep/wonky/funky/whatevs-honestly-can't-tell-this-stuff-apart, what little of it i've been exposed to mostly bored me to tears but the Guido is great and the Darkstar track is really lovely.

― Roz, Friday, January 29, 2010 12:06 PM Bookmark

/= funky! The funky tracks here are "Inflation" and "In the Morning".

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

26 -- The-Dream - Rockin That Shit (9 votes, 122 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (120 in P&J, 90 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS3Nzi3lSJ8

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link

aw, i was holding out for fancy.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link

haha oh. seriously i know nothing about anything! didn't keep up with music much at all last year - major life changes and shit. xxp

Roz, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"60% of them would've made a top fifty."
well, top three or four hundred at least

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link

WHAT UP

xxxp

max ipad (k3vin k.), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

everyone stans for this guy hard here but this song strikes me as rather nondescript, sorry to say

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

give it time, this song snuck up on me after the tenth play or thereabouts.

Roz, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

As for myself, the Guido and Darkstar aren't really doing anything to combat my perception of dubstep, although other stuff has. :(

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

"Rockin' That Shit" has such a purrrdy melody

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

voted for "right side of my brain" but figured it wasn't going to place, so i threw in a "rockin' that shit" vote too. (at least, i think so. don't have my ballot in front of me.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I've actually heard it on the radio before, I was surprised because I had read about him all over ILM and never realized I'd heard him before. It's just one of those songs you hear on the radio, don't hate it don't love it.

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link

btw roz, I would be curious to know your opinion of the two funky tracks

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link

man, i bucked enjoying the dream for SO LONG; couldn't understand what the hubbub was and then I got into the concept album part of Love vs Money and I just got my goddamn mind blown. Tracks 2-7 (and the lil' jon at 14) are solid pop hits but love v money/love v money 2/fancy/rightside of my brain/mr. yeah/12 play should really be one monster proggy rnb untracked lovesexy style jam because that would be my song of the year without a doubt

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link

can't really remember the crazy cousins tune rn but "in the morning" is fucking great. xp

Roz, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link

"Take U Home to My Mama" and "Mr. Yeah" are still my faves on the album, but I can't for the life of me remember if I voted for either one of those or "Rockin' That Shit".

maciej recognizing trill, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Where's all the roots rock?

kornrulez6969, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Off the top 50, where it belongs.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

was that a joke post or

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link

screw roots rock! where's of montreal?

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

25 -- Lady Gaga - Paparazzi (13 votes, 127.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (11 in P&J, 83 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgKrzdaDQMw

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

another dope video

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Gaga has the right idea: pay some super hot actor like Askars to make out with you under the pretense of a "music video"

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

ok i was pretty sure that was going to be a lot higher

srsly? im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (jjjusten), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

"bad romance" will be really high up

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

was that a joke post or

I don't know, really, and maybe it'll make more sense in a year... you know, when Fleet Foxes or whoever the fuck else pinch out a deuce onto the Pfork-reading masses and their "Beach Boys-esque" harmonizing seduces enough ILM voters to go top 25. At that point, feel free to reinterpret my "joke post" as you see fit...

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

"Bad Romance" top 5 easily, btw.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

ok rev just listened to "Inflation" again and yeah digging it, the xylophone melody is madness.

"Paparazzi". -_-

can't remember if i voted for it, but yeah if there's going to be any gaga on this list then "Bad Romance" better place higher!

Roz, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i meant kingkong's post, stephen

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

would *KILL* to see Lady Gaga on Jersey Shore Season 2.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

er, kornrulez

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

paparazzi was the song that brought me around on lady gaga. happy to see it here.

kaygee, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i meant kingkong's post, stephen

Whoops!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i had i think 2 roots-rock votes on my tracks list, counting the dylan tune. the other one never had a prayer. wasn't much of a year for roots rock that i can think of.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know, really, and maybe it'll make more sense in a year... you know, when Fleet Foxes or whoever the fuck else pinch out a deuce onto the Pfork-reading masses and their "Beach Boys-esque" harmonizing seduces enough ILM voters to go top 25. At that point, feel free to reinterpret my "joke post" as you see fit...

wait aren't you ilm's biggest merriweather post pavilion fan

iatee, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

24 -- Lady Gaga - Poker Face (11 votes, 129 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (13 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPLjHPM78fg

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I just gave up on my mission to listen to each and every one of these.

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Gaga = the anti-Fever Ray

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

too much gaga atm tbh.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiqHICcqi9s

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Hurrah, I gave that a vote (I think). That makes 2 so far.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Granted I'm one of like 3 pop-loving people in the world to still not like Lady Gaga, but "Poker Face"?! "Paparazzi" and "Bad Romance" I was expecting, but this one, ugh, the way she says the title is one of the most annoying things I've heard on the radio in the last few years.

maciej recognizing trill, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

you guyz r gaga 4 Gaga

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

^^this. xp

Roz, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

gaga really should do Jersey Shore (this is from 3 years ago):
http://cream-nyc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/i1cwsbe5xlptbe73vitr0f1ho1_400.jpg

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

the way she says the title is one of the most annoying things I've heard on the radio in the last few years

Conversely, that's my favorite part of the song. The best hooks divide the people.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

^^This also, except i wouldn't say i didn't like her, just only like "paparazi" of her singles so far, and that not that much xxpost

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

^^I also hate the baby talk part on Bad Romance, haha. xp

maciej recognizing trill, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

wait aren't you ilm's biggest merriweather post pavilion fan

Uh.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i really really have tried with Gaga and cannot cosine
would not poker face

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

would not poker face

Ha!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

"Poker Face" is kind of unforgivable btw

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

EVERYTHING i hear gaga do, i wish gwen stefani was around to do right

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

okay that opinion is also kind of unforgivable

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah jesus

some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Why do u guys have so much HATE in ur HARTS?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean, I actually LIKE Gwen Stefani but I am under no illusions re: her singing ability and the idea of her attempting to do some of Gaga's songs is like NO

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

don't like either of these gagas even tho i pretty much love "bad romance."

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah same here

some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

"Paparazzi" sneaks up on you, IMO; I didn't actually like it all that much until I saw her live performances where she sings the low harmony part as opposed to the melody line on the chorus.

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

if gwen ever come back from the macy's perfume aisle and quit leaving halfassed harajuku girls to strut and fret on the grammy stage she would refute that statement dan.
i'm not waving the flag for her grand ability, but she's better at this game than gaga.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

oh i hate that VMA performance where she sings the title all low and throaty (xpost)

some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

you could probably get me to believe that gaga's next single was "Low and Throaty"

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W44YGLM6Y5A&feature=related

this performance was the bomb, I thought (better arrangement, too)

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess she bounces all over the place, lol, kind of why I liked it.

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link

snoopsmh.gif @ live paparazzi

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

she's barely singing the chorus!

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link

after seeing her perform for the first time on these videos, the one thing that strikes me is that she must be really short... all her outfits try to draw out the illusion that she has longer legs (which doesn't work if you're accustomed to seeing it).

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

ok, just googled her height... she claims 5'1" which must mean 5 foot nothing or shorter.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess I don't get why "Poker Face" is supposedly so much worse than "Bad Romance." They're very similar songs, structurally. The only reason I probably like "Bad Romance" better is that it has two hooks: the "rah-rah-ah-ah-ah" bit and the chorus.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm telling you guys, her and snooki (4'10") would be a good duo.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, she's tiny. caught a little of her live once, shrugged and left and have been confused ever since as to how big she got.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

tbh, i would likely be a lot more forgiving if she were part of a four girl group or wasn't so damn ubiquitous

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

the dancing is pretty amateurish, though, don't you think? esp. compared with the performances of other pop stars. I also don't find the (intended) comical aspect of her performances to be very funny.

Dan S, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess I don't get why "Poker Face" is supposedly so much worse than "Bad Romance."

Read the lyrics to "Poker Face" and compare them to the lyrics to "Bad Romance".

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I would much rather listen to a pop song that says "I want your ugly/I want your disease" tan a pop song that says "When I'm bluffin'/With my muffin"

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Gaga = the anti-Fever Ray

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 29, 2010 1:35 PM Bookmark

just about the only two artists to place (along with the dubsteppers and AnCo) who do nothing for me

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

occurs to me that the cruelest thing u can do to those dupstep picks is shout HERE COME THE DUBSTEPPA (MURRRDERAA) then compare ur energy and enjoyment to theirs

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

During last year's rundown I thought 'Just Dance' was a lock for the top five, before it turned out to be a load of records I'd never heard of, with Gaga nowhere. What's changed this year?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

It took time for people to submit to the Gaga machine.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

"Paparazzi" came out and a whole bunch of people went "wait, I actually kind of dig this"

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

xp xxx://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5wJj4i9JqQ

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Gaga didn't explode until January-February of this year, if it had been a month or two earlier she may have been in more people's minds around voting time

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

23 -- Girls - Lust for Life (12 votes, 131 points) (8 in P&J, 9 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuoTjYYqe4c

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

so this would be my first time hearing girls finally. Is this indicative of the kind of >coff< work they do?

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link

okay 10 seconds in and this Girls song is a total dick

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, Girls being widely-loved is more WTF to me than even Fleet Foxes or whatever because there's nothing to the songs. At least Fleet Foxes have harmonies that required forethought, and Animal Collective create musical layers. Girls just take garage pop and strip it of all character.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link

never heard this before and it sounds really unremarkable if not actually banal. a super 8 videos renaissance would be welcome though.

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, 8th rate K records toss-off is now the rage?

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

they must live near me (or the people who do their videos)...

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

like seriously, this song is making me wish I had the ability to cause a nuclear incident

it is so bad that it is making me wish innocent people would die horrible, painful deaths, which is pretty fucking bad if you ask me

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

lmao @ first reactions

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, i was trying to be fair und balanced but this kinda sucks

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

This got 12 votes, so I want people to start fessin' up.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

and shasta otm

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I voted for this. this song still makes me smile, even after many listens. which is more than I can say for Lady Gaga

Dan S, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I would much rather listen to a pop song that says "I want your ugly/I want your disease"

The inner Cure/Depeche fan in HI DERE cries out for attention.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

these guys are on Matador??????????????

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I suppose I should feel happy for you that something this wretched and pitiful and totally lacking in any sort of redeeming quality brings you joy but really all I can imagine is the Manson family tearing these douchebags to shreds with their bare hands while thousands of children cheer them on.

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i mean this isn't my thing generally but i really like the thermals first record so i've got no problems with guitars soudning like recorded in a used toilet. this just seems to suck. like, stop singing.

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

xp time to refill that prescription

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

and zvookster are you newish here or did you change your name recently?

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Don't compare this to the Thermals. That is not nice to the Thermals.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

the sound on this record is actually kind of great, actually. It has a miles-deep quality with lots of stuff in the background.

Dan S, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry, two actuallies ;)

Dan S, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, 8th rate K records toss-off is now the rage?

― ┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, January 29, 2010 4:15 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

hahahah like k records ever put out anything original enough that something could be a "k records toss-off." what makes the song special is mostly his voice, imo

een, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

when did "special" become a pejorative

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

k records put out lots of special original records

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

der hurr hurr

een, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

K was capable of being the best or worst label ever depending on the band (and there were plenty of terrible K releases, most of them Calvin-related).

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

I would smash the bassist from the Thermals. And they put on a good live show. That is the extent of my thoughts on the Thermals.

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

pretty new, i was here for nominations but didn't take part, hope it's okay to comment so much.

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

hahahah like k records ever put out anything original enough that something could be a "k records toss-off." what makes the song special is mostly his voice, imo

― een, Friday, January 29, 2010 2:24 PM (1 minute ago)

that's just it, i HATED all that K Records crap (with a couple exceptions) so that's my sentiment behind my original statement... there was no defense implied, sorry if it came off that way.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

the girls record doesn't offend me or excite me, it just kind of sits there. (his voice doesn't annoy me as much as ezra koenig's, say, but we all have our own meters for when indie intolerableness enters the red zone.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

this girls things is really bad

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

oh sorry misinterpreted that. and yeah i never even made it all the way through the girls album but i like that song and "hellhole ratrace" a lot. *shrug

een, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean, this is basically the 2009 version Dodgy, isn't it?

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

lol at nobody defending this

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

It's okay.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

i can't remember if i voted for lust for life, but i do like it. the album as a whole is pretty meh, and it took me a while to even give them a chance after seeing them as openers and being bored to tears, but that song does it for me.

kaygee, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link

i like the girls record ok, but I'm a bit puzzled at how highly its been rated. Call it the Fleet Foxes (or x indie band of year ____) syndrome.

ron paul revulvalution (Pillbox), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i can't really see a reason for their success other than a good biography

kaygee, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

this though: (8 in P&J, 9 in p4k)

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I suppose I should feel happy for you that something this wretched and pitiful and totally lacking in any sort of redeeming quality brings you joy but really all I can imagine is the Manson family tearing these douchebags to shreds with their bare hands while thousands of children cheer them on.

Ha, did you know that the dude from Girls grew up in a religious cult?

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess his voice is an aquired taste, but it has so much resonance. It feels like a lot more is communicated in the songs than the words would suggest.
The more I listen to this record the more it grows on me.

Dan S, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Don't hate it as much as the haters in this thread do, but I was expecting an Iggy Pop cover!

free rental car and sushi with my girl at 7 (KMS), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't hate it for what it isn't (a song I'd like, for instance), but for what it is (a lot of nothing).

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Can we have #22 now?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link

wow that song is really just... boring!

Clay, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

If you really like the band Girls, I really, really think you should check out The Summer Hits:

What about the Summer Hits!?!

They had a couple of goofy lo-fi "druggy" pop songs that this song essentially apes.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

22 -- Jamie Foxx ft. T-Pain - Blame It (12 votes, 140.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (55 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48P5uAMCjv0

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

This got 12 votes, so I want people to start fessin' up.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 29, 2010 4:17 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/1527499

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

YES! I actually hated this song for months until one day it forced me to like it. This song is a bully.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I was getting to know the Royksopp & Robyn one at the top of the page instead of Girls - it's really excellent, quite a lot of Depeche and New Order in there but a lot more dynamic.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh man i didnt think it would be possible to hear something worse than lady gaga,the xx or fever ray but this is fucking awful. It's something that should bring the Alex In NYC out in everyone.

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

(that was for girls)

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

re: Blame It... You can hear it 2x and it's done. one trick pony.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

that's so ridiculously wrong

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

stfu girls @ #2 on jizz pap ballot... u are deaf obvs.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

opposite for me...didn't really love it at first but after a few listens I was converted for life

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

"blame it" is my favorite pop song of the past few years easily -- it's such a great song lyrically, flows so well - the chorus has a gimmicky catchy part as well as equally catchy couplets -- from a production standpoint i think it shamed just about everything else on pop radio this year

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

(omg @ ron howard btw... vid is funny)

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

"lust for life" is my 2nd favorite pop song of the past few decades easily -- it's such a great song lyrically, flows so well - the chorus has a gimmicky catchy part as well as equally catchy couplets -- from a production standpoint i think it shamed just about everything else on pop radio this year

― Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, January 29, 2010 2:55 PM (10 seconds ago)

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

shasta, you voted for "tik tok" in that other poll

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

FITE

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

but seriously re: blame it, i didn't know that a vocoder could work if you can only sing one note...

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd honestly like to see a chart of his range on this song...

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

tik tok fucking SLAYS this song for reals.

btw sarge, my #2 was "freaxxx" so don't even trip.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

tik tok fucking SLAYS this song for reals.

iawtc (even if I do like Blame It...)

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

shoulda voted for aidy's girl iirc

plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i think the autotune is mildly fresh in this context because the beat is also so slurry and whiny -- if you'll allow me, i think the song is very aqueous, it's like an ice luge of vodka as a song so it really works thematically & stylistically on a higher level than a lot of it's pop contemporaries this year -- also "fill another cup up/ feelin on your butt, what"

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link

a a-a-a a-alcohol

tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

FYI: that's a vocoder, son. i hate when people say "autotune" when they mean vocoder.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

uhh Auto-Tune the program uses a vocoder. and it was probably made with Melodyne anyway so wtf

een, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Blame it is the first single on here I voted for!

Xxxxxxxp zvook: you're totally welcome here; we just seem to keep showing up on the same threads and I was wondering if I knew you earlier. Ilx could always use new blood imo.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link

thx dude.

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link

a brand new goon

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link

j0rdon's claims for tracks in this thread sound so way out there til he explains what he likes, then you still think the claims are out there but you think of the track more highly

i don't like this one much but it does sound like being drunk in a certain way or setting, as expressed above

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Blame It: deserves to place.

Girls: back to the kitchen. cook up something interesting next time.

Captain Ahab, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

so like, since i'm the only one who is posting itt that voted for girls, does that mean that a bunch of lurking indie fans are pumping up the results and we're gonna have a 3-2-1 of "1901, "stillness is the move" and "my girls?

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

btw I will not be posting over the weekend, so take the time to argue & talk amongst yourselves to prepare for the top 20

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ac/Coffee_talk.JPG

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

21 -- Taylor Swift - Love Story (10 votes, 141.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (177 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xg3vE8Ie_E

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Is Barbra going to make a surprise cameo? xp

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

voted for this^

plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

this is the song of me and my little sister staying up late and singing along with youtube btw

plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

trick needs to stop acting like she's 16, her latest single is called Today Was A Fairytale btw

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link

my #2

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link

she's the Stephenie Meyer of music...just incomprehensible

musically, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

my #16 but my highest one to place

plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

musically u r so rong abt this btw

plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

weird i thought that song kinda came and went in 08

some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, same here. i voted it #2 when i saw it on the noms list, but i didn't even consider it for my p&j ballot

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Voted "You Belong With Me" cuz this one seems so 2008 to me, but I love it so much. xps

maciej recognizing trill, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah taylor swift is as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get. only voted for "you belong with me" though (#2)

een, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

could maybe rename "blame it" to "elegantly wasted" xps

zvookster, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

swift was probably nom'd by a brit bcuz her whole international career is like a year behind the us

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link

50 -- Royksopp feat. Robyn - The Girl and the Robot (8 votes, 88 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (380 in P&J, 68 in p4k)
49 -- Kid Cudi – Day ‘n’ Nite (10 votes, 88 points) (18 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
48 -- Animal Collective - Summertime Clothes (8 votes, 88.5 points) (50 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
47 -- Electrik Red - So Good (7 votes, 90 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
46 -- Memory Tapes - Bicycle (7 votes, 95 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (238 in P&J, 46 in p4k)
45 -- Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Hysteric (8 votes, 95.5 points) (237 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
44 -- Fever Ray - If I Had a Heart (9 votes, 97 points) (117 in P&J, 58 in p4k)
44 -- Basement Jaxx - Raindrops (9 votes, 97 points) (46 in P&J, 24 in p4k)
42 -- Guido - Way U Make Me Feel (8 votes, 97.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
41 -- Pill - Trap Goin Ham (8 votes, 97.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (128 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
40 -- Big Boi feat. Gucci Mane - Shine Blockas (9 votes, 98.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (22 in P&J, 7 in p4k)
39 -- Fever Ray - When I Grow Up (1 vote, 10.5 points for D. Lissvik Remix) (9 votes, 101.5 points) (97 in P&J, 36 in p4k)
38 -- Florence & the Machine - You Got the Love (Jamie xx Re-Work) (12 votes, 101.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
37 -- Lindstrøm & Prins Thomas - Tirsdagsjam (10 votes, 105.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
36 -- Gucci Mane ft. Plies - Wasted (11 votes, 105.5 points) (100 in P&J, 96 in p4k)
35 -- Crazy Cousinz - Inflation (8 votes, 106 points, 3 #1 vote/s) (455 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
34 -- Washed Out - Feel It All Around (10 votes, 106 points) (44 in P&J, 10 in p4k)
33 -- Bob Dylan - Must Be Santa (8 votes, 107 points) (132 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
32 -- Fuzzy Logic feat. Egypt - In The Morning (9 votes, 109 points) (1293 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
31 -- Fever Ray - Seven (3 votes, 23 points for Martyn's Seventh Remix) (11 votes, 111 points) (1601 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
30 -- DJ Quik & Kurupt - Hey Playa! (Moroccan Blues)(11 votes, 114 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (214 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
29 -- House of House - Rushing to Paradise (Walkin' These Streets) (11 votes, 114.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (148 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
28 -- Azari & III - Reckless With Your Love (9 votes, 116 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (481 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
27 -- Darkstar - Aidy's Girl Is A Computer (9 votes, 118.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (161 in P&J, 100 in p4k)
26 -- The-Dream - Rockin That Shit (9 votes, 122 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (120 in P&J, 90 in p4k)
25 -- Lady Gaga - Paparazzi (13 votes, 127.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (11 in P&J, 83 in p4k)
24 -- Lady Gaga - Poker Face (11 votes, 129 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (13 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
23 -- Girls - Lust for Life (12 votes, 131 points) (8 in P&J, 9 in p4k)
22 -- Jamie Foxx feat. T-Pain - Blame It (12 votes, 140.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (55 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
21 -- Taylor Swift - Love Story (10 votes, 141.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (177 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

This list so far is about half-stocked with stuff I never heard before this week. Some of it I really like (Guido, DJ Quik & Kurupt) and some of it I never want to hear again (House of House). So, good job ILM voting people.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 January 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link

too much Girls imo

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

great list so far

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link

taylor swift placing can be explained by the continued existence of the UK

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link

trick needs to stop acting like she's 16, her latest single is called Today Was A Fairytale btw

― musically, Friday, January 29, 2010 3:50 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

word the fuck up

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

oh shit

Voted "You Belong With Me" cuz this one seems so 2008 to me, but I love it so much. xps

― maciej recognizing trill, Friday, January 29, 2010 11:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

this actually

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i voted "love story" last year, "you belong with me" this year, but the more taylor the better. (i recently converted my deeply-skeptical sister by sending her a taylor disc. a few weeks later she wrote that she had gone and watched all her videos and her son was complaining about all the taylor swift in the house and she told him to blame me.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm just not there yet on Taylor, you guys. I don't mind watching her act, whether it be comedy or drama, but I'm just not into her as a musician/singer/critical anomaly.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link

"Love Story" actually peaked on the Hot 100 in January 2009 and was still in the top 20 as late as May.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i would think taylor swift is someone you either like or don't, moreso than "get there on" xp

een, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link

never voted for any of these songs iirc but totally cd've voted for abt 80%

run from 31 to 24 is sick

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

this one seems so 2008 to me, but I love it so much. xps

^

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link

People understand that Romeo & Juliet ends badly, right?

Parenthetical Grillz, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link

it ends badly for taylor too, if you hear "white horse" as the logical "love story part 2."

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Though I guess now that I think about I actually got into Taylor too late to vote for her in last year's poll.

maciej recognizing trill, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link

"Love Story" actually peaked on the Hot 100 in January 2009 and was still in the top 20 as late as May.

― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Friday, January 29, 2010 7:05 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you could probably say the same for "Just Dance" but nobody voted for it

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh! Them British and their irony.

Moka, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Great list so far btw.

Moka, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:24 (fourteen years ago) link

so...

9x Outta 10
Empire State of Mind
Hyph Mngo
You Belong With Me
Zero
Stillness Is the Move
My Girls
1901
Lisztomania
Bad Romance

Heads Will Roll?
Loba/She Wolf?
Fifteen?
Hungry For the Power?
Baby Can't Stop?
Pretty Wings?
Daniel?
Best I Ever Had?
Party in the USA?
Something by the XX?

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:24 (fourteen years ago) link

My Girls wasn't nominated, right? does that matter?

een, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Musically added it to the list on a technicality iirc

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe "russian roulette"? trying to think of other actual big hits that might show up.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link

so like, since i'm the only one who is posting itt that voted for girls, does that mean that a bunch of lurking indie fans are pumping up the results and we're gonna have a 3-2-1 of "1901, "stillness is the move" and "my girls?

i voted for girls but none of those others iirc

ciderpress, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Man would I love for "Empire State of Mind" not to make it. And hoping against hope that the enthusiastic folks on the Future of the Left thread were as enthusiastic about voting for "Arming Eritrea" as I was.

maciej recognizing trill, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I wonder if there will be a Lisztomania vs. 1901 vote split. I wildly prefer the former to the latter, and would be disappointed to not see it rank.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Man would I love for "Empire State of Mind" not to make it. And hoping against hope that the enthusiastic folks on the Future of the Left thread were as enthusiastic about voting for "Arming Eritrea" as I was.

― maciej recognizing trill, Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:33 AM (3 minutes ago)

dont know what thread that was, but it got a lot of points from me

that girls song shits the bed btw

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link

i also voted girls v. highly fwiw

johnny crunch, Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link

oh & ya i didnt vote for any GAPDY shit at all

johnny crunch, Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:27 (fourteen years ago) link

except on anco & phoenix in mid-ish places on the albums poll

johnny crunch, Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link

lmao @ this "girls" nonsense

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link

screw roots rock! where's of montreal?

― tza nicholas ii (The Reverend), Friday, January 29, 2010 3:47 PM (4 hours ago)

alright what is this of montreal running joke you have going on here

max ipad (k3vin k.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Girls is the shit. Haters gonna hate.

smothered in country gravy (Whitey on the Moon), Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link

well our opinions have a word in common, so that is a sort of agreement i suppose

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a very classicist -- in the most concrete sense -- guitar pop song. i'm shocked that people are hulking out over it. i mean, there are gonna be a few phoenix songs coming up here.

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link

OH GOOD

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link

People understand that Romeo & Juliet ends badly, right?

― Parenthetical Grillz, Friday, January 29, 2010 7:13 PM (1 hour ago)

good essay by mike b@rthel imo

http://www.clapclap.org/2008/12/just-say-yes.html

max ipad (k3vin k.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link

j0rdan are you seriously saying there's no basic difference between the Girls song and the Phoenix singles? cause i mean

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link

good essay by mike b@rthel imo

yeah and the comments to that make the same point about "white horse" being the next chapter. not that it's a concept album or anything, but she shows a lot more sides than just the infatuation. (but she does infatuation well.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:09 (fourteen years ago) link

j0rdan are you seriously saying there's no basic difference between the Girls song and the Phoenix singles? cause i mean

― as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Friday, January 29, 2010 8:06 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

well of course there is -- but not that much of a difference, no -- certainly not from the standpoint of people who are voting for fever ray/dubstep/10 min house tracks

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Rev- I was thinking Soldier of Love would make it. And I'm sure there's one more from The-Dream. Fancy? RichGirl in the top 20? I'd be surprised.

Not brilliant, but nice enough (lou), Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I hope "White Horse" makes it.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Girls rips off Mote by SY, writes terribly bland lyrics (that you have to pay attention to because-), the music is really bland, and they're selling it because they have this perfect accessible-to-hipster-masses formula. The songs are derivative of obvious hip indie forefathers (one mentioned already), the songs are simple/basic pop which isn't hard to get over for many shallow trend followers (disclaimer: I'm not saying any specific fans of them here are that generalization, just trying to break down why they've blown up), and the guy is angsty and misunderstood (hipster: So am I!), has the heartbreaking indie-film-ready backstory (Bon Iver blew up with much help from his backstory), and the guy's voice is just alienating enough so hipsters can keep the band to themselves without worrying about the inviting pop songs attracting a casual crowd (Vampire Weekend's problem perhaps?).

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I used to be in high school where you see [a boyfriend] every day. Then I was in a situation where it wasn't so easy for me, and I wrote this song because I could relate to the whole Romeo and Juliet thing. I was really inspired by that story. Except for the ending. I feel like they had such promise and they were so crazy for each other. And if that had just gone a little bit differently, it could have been the best love story ever told. And it is one of the best love stories ever told, but it's a tragedy. I thought, why can't you . . . make it a happy ending and put a key change in the song and turn it into a marriage proposal?

oh goodness

musically, Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:42 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a very classicist -- in the most concrete sense -- guitar pop song. i'm shocked that people are hulking out over it. i mean, there are gonna be a few phoenix songs coming up here.

― Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, January 29, 2010 5:40 PM Bookmark

Oh come the fuck on. I'm no Phoenix fan, but there's a huge difference in their bland but palatable sound and this godawful in every way bullshit. Saying "oh, but they are both guitar pop, that makes them the same" is reductive as fuck.

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah for real. Phoenix make car commercial music, Girls make crystal meth PSA music.

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link

ha!

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link

well of course there is -- but not that much of a difference, no -- certainly not from the standpoint of people who are voting for fever ray/dubstep/10 min house tracks
I <3 Phoenix, Fever Ray, dubstep and 10 minute house tracks (and voted for tracks in all but one of those categories); the Girls song does nothing for me (neither does the Kid Cudi or either of the tracks with Gucci Mane).

Enoki Doki (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh come the fuck on. I'm no Phoenix fan, but there's a huge difference in their bland but palatable sound and this godawful in every way bullshit. Saying "oh, but they are both guitar pop, that makes them the same" is reductive as fuck.

― zvincter (The Reverend), Friday, January 29, 2010 8:53 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

explain to me how phoenix is bland and palatable but girls are godawful in every way

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link

for one, the phoenix dude can sing. for another, phoenix doesn't sound like it was recorded in a hallway with tin walls.

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:16 (fourteen years ago) link

That distinction is left up to taste, but even the most tonedeaf music fan could tell the difference between them.

(also, Rev is right.)

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link

well i should clarify

certainly there are a large number of differences once you get into the girls album trax and other singles, but "lust for life" is pretty much a phoenix song if they were born in california instead of france

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link

both are peppy guitar rock with mopey sentiments -- & the girls dude is a way better singer anyway

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:19 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean, "1901" vs "lust for life" -- these don't appeal to the same listeners? and they don't appeal to the same preferences in those listeners? i think they do

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I guess the "G" in GAPDY could just as easily stand for Girls. :)

Not brilliant, but nice enough (lou), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link

They might very well appeal to the same listeners, but I'd still argue that Phoenix has a very unique and identifiable sound in the context of the present "modern rock" landscape. Girls, on the other hand, distill the sound of a thousand lo-fi garage bands/labels down into something that just happens to have caught on because it came at the right moment with the right PR push. I understand that people might like the Girls album/singles on their own merits, but I also think people who like it probably aren't digging very deep.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:32 (fourteen years ago) link

well, in the context of modern rock, both are identifiable & unique. it's not like phoenix isn't distilling lessons taught by "12:51"

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:39 (fourteen years ago) link

i love both bands -- i was just surprised that there was such a visceral negative reaction to them considering that, for instance, yyys + phx + dirty projectors are all loved to well liked on ilx, and pazz and jop 09 has taught us that those three bands certainly share a fanbase with girls. now, they do with grizzly bear as well, and that band is pretty much despised on ilm, so i'm not saying that GAPDY + girls are a total package deal, just that i expected reactions to "lust for life" to be more towards the phx end of the spectrum than the GB end of the spectrum

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:42 (fourteen years ago) link

How much garage rock/drug jamz do you listen to, Jordan?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link

eh

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Because it's kind of like someone saying they love rap, and saying that Tone Loc is their favorite artist.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link

"appeal to the same listeners" is a pretty poor justification for saying 2 songs sound the same (and arguable, too -- out of the 81 P&J votes for "1901" and 42 for "Lust For Life" there's only 4 people who voted for both). anyway i think modern rock is a broad enough tent that we don't have to equate super-glossy radio-ready rock and smudgy amateurish lo-fi with nails-on-chalkboard singing.

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

white music all sounds the same

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:46 (fourteen years ago) link

girls are far from my favorite rock band xp

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:50 (fourteen years ago) link

so, production is the major hang up here? it's hard for me to fathom that the girls singer is a markedly worse vocalist than the one from phx

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:52 (fourteen years ago) link

For me, it's not the production. I listen to tons of lo-fi rock music. It's the weak songwriting and the willingness of people to praise it because they haven't heard anything better (of which there is plenty).

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:54 (fourteen years ago) link

xp: the girls singer is a markedly worse vocalist than the one from phx

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:54 (fourteen years ago) link

it's all the performance, particularly the voice, dude. i have zero problem w/ lo-fi as a production aesthetic in and of itself.

(also only 9 common albums voters, out of a slightly larger pool)

xpost

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:55 (fourteen years ago) link

now, they do with grizzly bear as well, and that band is pretty much despised on ilm

would take the grizz over girls any day of the weaksauce

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link

well, i'm not gonna belabor the point, i was just surprised by ppl acting as if some horrible crime had been committed upon the poll and that all voters be brought to the stake (not butthurto, promise)

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:57 (fourteen years ago) link

damn really??

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Does anyone agree, partly at least, with my Girls fame analysis thing?

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:58 (fourteen years ago) link

In Grizzly Bear's favor: "Two Weeks" is a pretty great single. I tend to lose interest in the albums after just a short while, though, but yeah... would take them over Girls at any time.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Girls rips off Mote by SY, writes terribly bland lyrics (that you have to pay attention to because-), the music is really bland, and they're selling it because they have this perfect accessible-to-hipster-masses formula. The songs are derivative of obvious hip indie forefathers (one mentioned already), the songs are simple/basic pop which isn't hard to get over for many shallow trend followers (disclaimer: I'm not saying any specific fans of them here are that generalization, just trying to break down why they've blown up), and the guy is angsty and misunderstood (hipster: So am I!), has the heartbreaking indie-film-ready backstory (Bon Iver blew up with much help from his backstory), and the guy's voice is just alienating enough so hipsters can keep the band to themselves without worrying about the inviting pop songs attracting a casual crowd (Vampire Weekend's problem perhaps?).

― Evan, Friday, January 29, 2010 9:39 PM (1 hour ago)

I agree with pretty much every single point you make.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Thank you! Satisfied now.

Theres a formula to Girls that seems comparable to what made Juno (the movie, not the band) so blatantly forced.

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:02 (fourteen years ago) link

even if you hate the Girls' singer's voice, i think it at least objectively makes the band stand out in spite of the obviously derivative aesthetic. and also, i hope that saying "the girls singer is worse than the phoenix singer" doesn't imply that the phoenix singer isn't balls-out terrible, b/c really, that guy cannot sing

een, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:03 (fourteen years ago) link

That's a pretty good comparison (tho I fell for Juno nonetheless). xp

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:03 (fourteen years ago) link

that's a super-assumptive & pejorative characterization of them & why they are popular

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:03 (fourteen years ago) link

damn really??

― Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Friday, January 29, 2010 7:57 PM Bookmark

tbf, I've only heard two g-bear songs "Knife", which I can't stand in the slightest, and "Two Weeks", which doesn't do anything for me, but is fine all the same. I was thinking of the latter and not of the former when I said that.

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i miscounted, actually 15 common album voters between Girls and Phoenix according to Glenn: https://pub.needlebase.com/actions/visualizer/V2Visualizer.do?domain=Pazz-Jop-2009&query=Top-10+Voter+Overlap

that chart pretty well illustrates my point, tough, even Raekwon has more overlap w/ Phoenix than Girls

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:05 (fourteen years ago) link

tough=though

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I can't believe I'm engaging in a debate now about an album I haven't been troubled enough by to be vocal about in all of the last year. It's not that Girls are terrible, it's that they're just nothing.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link

evan: i'm disappointed that no one called out your mote ref as worse than my thermals guitar one :( also these days i tend to just read use of "hipster" as "myself distancing myself from myself to appear more authentic", which works pretty well most of the time, otherwise it's usually meaningless to me. i think the rest of the stuff could probably code as poignant if you actually like the music.

zvookster, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I can't believe I'm engaging in a debate now about a band I haven't been troubled enough to hear until a quick YouTube play for LOLs a couple hours ago. Nevermind, yes I can.

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess I'm cynical now. Conan would be so disappointed in me. :(

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:09 (fourteen years ago) link

What a disaster for Johnny Fever.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:10 (fourteen years ago) link

it was worth it for the initial run of reactions

zvookster, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:11 (fourteen years ago) link

really don't understand why Girls and Phoenix are being compared and contrasted.

anyway, glad Rockin' that Shit placed, but I hope the voter split doesn't mean that's the last of The-Dream here. I considered voting for Rockin tactically as it was the single (and I do prefer the idea of voting for only singles and not album tracks), but wound up going for Right Side of My Brain just because it's miles more mindblowingly amazing. Also want to distance myself from Grizzbear.

Voted Love Story in much the same way, but it was a total 2009 track for me so I didn't feel as conflicted.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:14 (fourteen years ago) link

people went WTF at Girls, Jordan said hey Phoenix will be all over the poll too what's the big diff, people went um there's a pretty huge diff

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link

grouping together girls & phoenix is no different than grouping together every band that makes up GAPDY, which we even created a nice acronym for

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link

GAPDY just means consensus praise, but there's not much stylistic homogeny among them.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:19 (fourteen years ago) link

out of the loop on GAPDY

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link

girls are in that same conversation

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link

GAPDY poll

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i think it's funny there's so much objection to the girls guy's voice, because by the standards of white indie guy singing -- which is pretty much my least favorite current vocal genre -- i sort of don't mind his. but i guess it really comes down to, i like nasally voices. when dylan and petty are two of my favorite rock singers, i'm not gonna complain too much about a dude singing through his nose.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link

zvookster: You really don't think that one Girls track sounds like Mote?

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I know, Jordan, I'm just saying that as homogenous as the fanbases for all these bands are, you picked the 2 that, based on the chart I linked, have virtually the least fan overlap possible (and are, imo, on opposite ends of that admittedly not terribly wide aesthetic spectrum).

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Morning Light is the song.

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I know, Jordan, I'm just saying that as homogenous as the fanbases for all these bands are, you picked the 2 that, based on the chart I linked, have virtually the least fan overlap possible (and are, imo, on opposite ends of that admittedly not terribly wide aesthetic spectrum).

― as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Friday, January 29, 2010 10:35 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark

right, okay

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:36 (fourteen years ago) link

which is to say that if you said Animal Collective instead of Phoenix way upthread there wouldn't be any of this quibbling (xpost)

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:37 (fourteen years ago) link

WELL IF ONLY I HAD KNOWN

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:41 (fourteen years ago) link

but in that case, not like i think this is gonna change anyone's opinion, but people didn't react to "summertime clothes" like someone took a shit on the thread. was it just bcuz people had heard that already? or those who hadn't didn't even bother bcuz it's anco? it can't be because people like it better, considering the placement.

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:42 (fourteen years ago) link

ppl are h8ing on that girls track bcuz theyre dead inside

b( ۠·_۠·)b (Lamp), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm no AnCo stan or anything, though I think MPP is nice to hear on occasion (and is pretty much the only AnCo album I'm ever inclined to hear voluntarily), but I think there's a wide style gap between Girls and AnCo too.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:44 (fourteen years ago) link

lol, sure

b( ۠·_۠·)b (Lamp), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Having heard Girls a few times I wanna say Evan is OTM. His description describes indie-landfill pretty perfectly, too.

Cunga, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:46 (fourteen years ago) link

It also reminds me of Simon Reynolds recent blogpost about indie-fill, where he memorably says "who were these faceless bands? how could they not know they're shit?"

Cunga, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:49 (fourteen years ago) link

idk what kind of music evan likes or what kind of music you like, cunga but describing the 'indie landfill' as merely replicating beloved forebears can surely be applied to uh... every genre of music

as for the "girls are famous bcuz of the dude's backstory", well i think that's pretty much BS, but we covered that ground thoroughly in the girls thread imo.

what evan said about girls & vampire weekend & pop barely scans as sensical

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Blogs and bands are mutually corrosive.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:49 (fourteen years ago) link

There's a thread on Girls?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:50 (fourteen years ago) link

yes, and it's long

GIRLS - ALBUM

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Jordan, I was trying to analyze why they've blown up. I feel like without the elements I went over they would be a very typical indie band many people would not have heard about or would have gotten very excited about initially.

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:54 (fourteen years ago) link

'lust for life' is really relatable and beautiful and has a gr8 aesthetic who cares if it sounds like something else from history

also lol @ the idea that girls has 'blown up'

b( ۠·_۠·)b (Lamp), Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:57 (fourteen years ago) link

And I mentioned Vampire Weekend in that last example because I thought it may have something to do with their backlash in the hip/indie community.

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:58 (fourteen years ago) link

'lust for life' is really relatable and beautiful and has a gr8 aesthetic

This is the kind of thing that makes me think people are lazy about looking for music to like.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Well you know what I mean, Lamp. They were a big deal last year.

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:59 (fourteen years ago) link

ppl really want to listen to this guy whine over "classic pop" chord changes?

― call all destroyer, Friday, September 25, 2009 6:53 AM (4 months ago)

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link

is it not possible that lots of people think that the song is actually good? and anyway, this is kind of rehashing territory from the p&j thread, but where is lazy in 09/10? i like girls a lot-- i found out about them because pitchfork and the fader wrote about them, i checked them out and digged their music. now, did i go seek other 60s throwback cali rock like girls this year? no i didn't, but that's cuz i was seeking out tons of other music. i don't think i was being lazy. if i sought out albums that i thought could be better versions of every album from 2009 that i like/love then i never would've left my house.

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link

ugh, those videos make me feel so dirty for living in san francisco

― psychgawsple, Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:03 PM (4 months ago)

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

But why not bypass a band like Girls and be proactive about looking for better things in the same realm? Don't wait for PFM or Fader to alert you to interesting subsects of genres... that's how GAPDY gets made in the first place.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Did he sing a song about how they couldn't have pizza?

― Evan, Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:26 PM (3 months ago)

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:05 (fourteen years ago) link

But why not bypass a band like Girls and be proactive about looking for better things in the same realm?

i think i answered this already in my post -- also, i really like girls a lot! i'm not a junkie of the type of music they make, i was fine with enjoying that album and that album only, unless something else came along. certainly everyone has genres/records on their lists that occupy this role for them. (tons of dream voters who didn't listen to all the other great r&b albums that came out this year, for instance)

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:07 (fourteen years ago) link

lol at the rabbithole this thread's gone down

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:09 (fourteen years ago) link

im not generally "looking for music to like" fwiw - i already like lots of music - but lol @ liking girls bein somehow 'lazy'

no well adjusted person cares if a thing the like isnt the actual best version of that thing to like

also no1 i no irl cares abt or likes or has heard of 'girls' the band

b( ۠·_۠·)b (Lamp), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Would immensely prefer listening to Glenn Beck moan over classic pop chord changes

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, December 31, 2009

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:09 (fourteen years ago) link

3 weeks pass...

wow this is way fucking worse than i expected

― iTote 2.0 (electricsound), Friday, January 22, 2010 6:20 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahahahah

― call all destroyer, Friday, January 22, 2010 7:09 AM (1 week ago)

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:10 (fourteen years ago) link

lust for life is one of the best songs of the year imo

― ianmaxwell, Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:04 AM (4 months ago) Bookmark

here's another possible "lust for life" voter -- find the 9 others and round up the firing squad

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:10 (fourteen years ago) link

But that's the thing. The-Dream's last album opened my ears to a lot of slick r&b that I never would've given a minute to before, and I've been devouring a lot of it since then, seeking out things and figuring out what I like about some artists and don't like about others. xp tp JOrdan

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:11 (fourteen years ago) link

more annoyed by the fact that they're called Girls tbh, ugh.

Roz, Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:12 (fourteen years ago) link

What do my top 10 last.fm songs tell about me, Steve Shasta?

b( ۠·_۠·)b (Lamp), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:13 (fourteen years ago) link

i recognized one other ilxor in the P&J voters for this song and peeped his ballot and it's like filled with all this kinda girls/gapdy stuff, i semi-lol'd (muffled half-smirk tbh).

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:13 (fourteen years ago) link

johnny, me too! (referring to love/hate, as i think you are) but usher & r. kelly are much more important to me than the beach boys

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:13 (fourteen years ago) link

The Gyrls - All I Want To Do (Is Eat Pizza In My Beach House)

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i clearly understand why tons of people didn't 'bypass' "trap goin ham" for other trap rap songs from 09 that i liked better

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Hi everyone.. I like this countdown so far. Wish I had voted..

Way better than the 2008 list (so far).. probably because singles were generally a lot better this year than last year.

billstevejim, Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:16 (fourteen years ago) link

& rev, aren't these threads just a continuous cycle of circle jerking & rabbit holes anyway?

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:16 (fourteen years ago) link

The Gyrls - All I Want To Do (Is Eat Pizza In My Beach House)

prophet

b( ۠·_۠·)b (Lamp), Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm down with Usher, but I've always thought R.Kelly was total joeksville. Either way, at least we agree there's great stuff beneath the surface in all genres. I just get absolutely frustrated when I see people unwilling to look for it and settle for the watered-down versions.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh.. except for ..

ante up = back that azz up

This equation is false.

billstevejim, Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link

And I swear to god I'm not standing on some anti-popular music platform. I love tons of chart music, from the '50s to right now, but I've always been a total hound about seeking stuff out (this probably started when I would scour the cut-out cassette bins in the late '80s).

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:20 (fourteen years ago) link

that equation fits for me!
also: "white music all sounds the same"
there are days this feels true!

forksclovetofu, Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I just get absolutely frustrated when I see people unwilling to look for it and settle for the watered-down versions.

I don't understand what's wrong with just casually finding some things you like, as you happen to bump into them, in some genres, and maybe digging more deeply into others. Everyone here probably already spends a ridiculous amount of time searching around for music as it is.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I know. It's my own problem, really. And now, an hour removed from the center of the debate, I've relaxed my stance on this. Like what you like, people.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 06:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm trying to figure out what is "more deep" in whatever genre girls is, but i suppose it doesn't really matter.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 January 2010 06:33 (fourteen years ago) link

The kiddie pool is deeper than Girls

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 06:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I just went back and skimmed the album to refresh my memory, and yeah... pretty much anything from Black Rebel Motorcycle Club to Thee Oh Sees to Sic Alps to Spiritualized all do what Girls do better, and before they did it.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 06:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I just checked out Girls - Lust for Life for the first time and at least its short. But I can understand the hate.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 30 January 2010 07:17 (fourteen years ago) link

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_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 30 January 2010 07:17 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno, Johnny...personally, I could give J0rdan a hard time for, say, bumping Major Lazer but not seeking out dancehall that doesn't have a Downtown Records promo budget and Hollertronix connections, but he's upfront about the fact that he's being dilettantish about that (which a lot of people are way too defensive to even). and at least for me personally I don't hear anything specific enough in the Girls song to think "go to the source," it's all such common shared history basic rock song template stuff that no fan of it is going to hear some song from 20-40 years ago and think "now I see the light, this is where it all started!"

as genuine a white mainstream talent as you are going to get (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 08:44 (fourteen years ago) link

J0rdan's being a champ about this all, it's true. I'm probably just projecting all over this thread, though, because of my own need to know everything about everything.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 08:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm trying to figure out what is "more deep" in whatever genre girls is, but i suppose it doesn't really matter.

That Girls song sounded like an Ariel Pink song to me with all the charm sucked out.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Saturday, 30 January 2010 08:52 (fourteen years ago) link

e.g. compare that terrible song with this great one

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Saturday, 30 January 2010 09:02 (fourteen years ago) link

not to warp this thread anymore but the major lazer thing was unique i thought because dudes worked with genuine dancehall artists, from what i could tell. it wasn't like how diplo gets some random girls to rap over his version of bmore club or whatever. and also i dig diplo + switch as producers generally, just not as remixers/tastemakers. i dig some post- t-pain dancehall like busy signal or demarco but it's not something i especially care about, so i'll listen to whatever comes down the chute. i listened to the mavado album after whiney gave it an 8 on twitter. thought it was alright-- major lazer is poppier from an american standpoint & plus i was just kinda playing devil's advocate in that 77 thread.

and anyway i think everyone has to be a dilettante about some things -- last year i listened to a lot of critically acclaimed albums that came out in the beginning of the decade when i was 12/13 and never really was aware of. i listened to a lot of swag music, more than 98% of the world i'd imagine. didn't really enrich me as a music listener anyway but it's what i did. only so much time in the world. i watch a lot of tv.

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 09:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i imagine that the major lazer thing was like, the first DJ khaled album or something. not exactly the best thing you could get if you wanted southern rap, but it had like 5 bangers and was a decent enough round up of what is happening in that scene at the time for those who are relatively uninitiated. i just thought ppl were being overly harsh & reactionary in that 77 thread (minstrelsy stuff aside)

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 09:07 (fourteen years ago) link

another thing about girls/major lazer-- and this might get me in trouble, idk -- only so many albums a year hit me emotionally, where i could be on the proverbial desert island and feel like i need that album in my life. otherwise music very much is a function in my life for me to interact intellectually with people whom i respect & like, which is why i spend way too much time on ilm, and i have nowhere to really express myself when it comes to something like real-ass dancehall or girls-like rock that is better/more unknown than girls. otoh, i had friends irl that dug major lazer & were talking about it, so i checked it out, liked it & defended it on 77. girls had a massive ilm thread. i can pretty much bullshit about anything in the autogoon thread (whatever the dancehall equivalent of oj da juiceman is) & it feels like an important thing in my life. same for funky house & being able to follow the good convo on that thread.

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 09:16 (fourteen years ago) link

girls are pretty damn bad. just sounds like bad britpop - whoever compared them to dodgy upthread otm - with an adenoidal singer. they don't anger me as much as VW or AC though, prob cuz i've seen less otherwise-sane people go on about them. i really hated britpop at the time though, apart from a couple of trax.

taylor - i love that she changes the R&J ending, it's actually kinda arrogant when you think about it; she believes in happy endings, and she's gonna rewrite shakespeare to get hers. it actually adds to the rush of optimism in the song for me.

"blame it" is the second greatest drinking song of the year after electrik red's "drink in my cup". it captures really precisely that blind drunk feeling of stumbling around a club completely wasted. actually expected it to place higher but then it does seem weirdly polarising - i just find it so irresistibly infectious. a-a-a-a-a-alcohol.

gaga - didn't love either of these when they came out, and indeed was sort of repulsed by "poker face", but it was "poker face" that earwormed me so much over the summer that i just gave in and downloaded the stupid thing, and i've been jamming it ever since. the tipping point was probably dancing to it at a friend's wedding. still hate the whole "bluffing with my muffin" bit though aargh, so cheesy!

the most amazing "paparazzi" performance i've seen is the one at the vmas, with the fake blood and hanging and such. plus the oedipal papa-paparazzi thing is amusing.

it strikes me that all the dubstep-not-dubstep stuff like guido and darkstar seems to be hitting the same spot this year that kompakt techno records did about 7 years ago for music fans who aren't necessarily into the scene: pretty melodies, a real strong emotional sense, interesting beats, as good for headphone/bedroom listening as hearing in a club.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 09:41 (fourteen years ago) link

"blame it on the goose" is also a hilarious chorus line.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 09:42 (fourteen years ago) link

What the hell do people think they're doing listening to that Taylor Swift person? Jesus wept. Jesus fucking wept.

DavidM, Saturday, 30 January 2010 09:47 (fourteen years ago) link

you're gonna have to do better than that

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 09:49 (fourteen years ago) link

@j0rdan: in all the GAPDY discussion i don't think anyone had yet made that connection between consensus and music as a communal experience and a soundtrack for a set of friends in a particular year, for a particular set of lives in time, basically. those connotations can make it an emotional thing in itself leaving aside those inherent in the music. but versions of these go on in the swag thread too, not just that consensus but reactions against wider consensus, like Shine Blockas is A+ and everyone likes it but look at where is it in this poll, has it been penalized because it makes Gucci palatable to reactionary rap fans and indie yanks? deej lols at indie kids digging Gibbs and pretty soon whiney and surfboard are treating him like some kind of joke figure, when everybody knows he's a damn good rapper with solid to beautiful production, though like shine blockas not doing anything amazingly new besides skipping a record deal and giving music away, or putting gucci over a dope old loop.

zvookster, Saturday, 30 January 2010 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link

sup lex, wb

zvookster, Saturday, 30 January 2010 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link

well, in the context of modern rock, both are identifiable & unique. it's not like phoenix isn't distilling lessons taught by "12:51"
― Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:39 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

eh?

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Saturday, 30 January 2010 10:05 (fourteen years ago) link

sup zvookster

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 10:08 (fourteen years ago) link

If Girls weren't in this poll, no one would bother hating them. Love that goose, by the way.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 30 January 2010 10:08 (fourteen years ago) link

If Girls weren't in this poll, no one would bother hating them.

^ truer than true.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 January 2010 10:15 (fourteen years ago) link

the jukebox did "laura" by girls a while back, and was mostly unimpressed - http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=1506

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 10:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Kind of bemused by these lol britpop reactions to those Girls tracks.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Saturday, 30 January 2010 10:33 (fourteen years ago) link

clearly did not intend it this way, but I think Love Story is really depressing. xposts.

also ya'll can bitch and moan about Girls all you want, but you're not going to ruin the thread that introduced me to Guido. I don't care if I come off as a Field fan for liking it.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Saturday, 30 January 2010 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link

it strikes me that all the dubstep-not-dubstep stuff like guido and darkstar seems to be hitting the same spot this year that kompakt techno records did about 7 years ago for music fans who aren't necessarily into the scene: pretty melodies, a real strong emotional sense, interesting beats, as good for headphone/bedroom listening as hearing in a club.

this rings true - hence the dance partisans thread being so much busier than the straight-up house & techno thread. still can't help but feeling that the dubstep-not-dubstep stuff, as much as i like lots of it, is a dead end in a way that early 00s minimal dance wasn't. maybe it's just the lower BPMs. i need to listen to more funky i guess :-/

jabba hands, Saturday, 30 January 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

the girls song works for me mostly because of its sort of tongue-in-cheek facade. when i saw the song title my first thought was obviously that its cover, then you hear the opening chords and realize it isnt but still expect "liquor and drugs and the flesh machine," then he delivers this part-earnest part-sarcastic part-pathetic opening line and really fucks with where you thought the song was going. so you have to decide right away if youre going to accept the song on their weird terms.

the best thing i can think of to compare the lines like "oh i wish i had a suntan" is how in high school i used to make fun of the stuff cooler kids even though i probably would have been the first to join in given the chance. like the singer doesnt really care about suntans but kind of does wish he had one. maybe this obvious and i just exposed my inner nerd, but i do think its a good song. and funnier than anyones giving it credit for.

killah priest, Saturday, 30 January 2010 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I think defenders of Girls lyrics are overanalyzing them. Does anybody do this to Buddy Holly lyrics?

Evan, Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

every day

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

can we reroute this into a "Defend Taylor Swift" direction? Cause I can do that and beating up Girls when no one is defending them beyond "well _I_ like them" is boring.
Also Lex, I disTINCTly heard him say "blame it on the jews"

forksclovetofu, Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link

girls suxx ass

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah he most probably does if you pay him enough

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link

'lust for life' is really relatable and beautiful and has a gr8 aesthetic

This is the kind of thing that makes me think people are lazy about looking for music to like.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 29, 2010 11:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry for unearthing this, but it's lazy to like beautiful music?

samosa gibreel, Saturday, 30 January 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link

re. all the girls hate. i think people are missing the point. for me it's not music to sit and think and pick apart the lyrics or marvel at the artistry. it's just fun, immediate music for sunny days. now that it's winter i don't want to listen to girls or any of the lo-fi LA type bands because they seem so out of sync with my environment.

ianmaxwell, Saturday, 30 January 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Only it's not fun, immediate music for sunny days.

Moka, Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

oh god

samosa gibreel, Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

that girls song is just OK, haters should try listening to the album which is 100x worse

max ipad (k3vin k.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah it is. it's a huge summer record.
i can concede that it's not fun, but chilling chatting in the sun is when lyrics matter least, and it is pretty immediate and the music is such the product of summer.
i guess maybe that's why i don't listen to it right now, because on headphones i would have to hear the words and i know often their not so lighthearted.

ianmaxwell, Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

glibly parsing the appeal of Girls' song: guy who has had really weird life moves to San Fran, falls in with hipsters and has a great time, with the aid of simple jangly-pop tunes reminds hipsters that its not so complicated being a hipster, its actually really fun.

idk, i'm not much interested in it, but i think i see why people get such feel-good vibes from it.

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link

i personally prefer the feel-good vibes of Azari & III

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm curious as to what people mean when they say a singer is a bad singer. as in, the guy from phoenix is a good singer and the guy from girls is a bad singer. does girls dude not hit the right notes, or does he have less range? i'm pretty sure he's as technically skilled as he needs to be in order do be doing what he wants to do. i think he sings exactly the way he wants to.

samosa gibreel, Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link

can we reroute this into a "Defend Taylor Swift" direction?

first time i heard love story on the radio back in 08 coincided w/ me falling hard for fleetwood mac. there was a second during the opening instrumental part where i was sure it was some FM song i'd never heard. that guitar part sounds so lindsey buckingham to me. been noticing their influence all over female pop-country recently.

Moreno, Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

with the aid of simple jangly-pop tunes reminds hipsters that its not so complicated being a hipster, its actually really fun

Aah, no wonder so many ilmers do not like it!

free rental car and sushi with my girl at 7 (KMS), Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm just kidding. When I think of summer music I think of the Zombies, the Jacuzzi Boys, The Cramps, Kurt Vile, Gene Vincent, early Cure... that sort of sounds so it's actually the sort of music I believe is just ripe for the summertime. I do find Girls a bit annoying tho, but I'm not sure why. Probably the vocals.

Moka, Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link

also, re love story, best part of the song is the end of the 2nd verse "escape this town for a little while, UH OH!" part. gets me every time. really one of my favorite albums in a while

Moreno, Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i feel bad about voting for "love story" now that it's been ruled out as so 2008. it's just my favourite song on the album by far and although i'm not british i only heard it this year, and i figured well since it was nom'd... i like it most because of how explosive the final chorus is. it's teen pop reaching post-rock levels of intensity through itty bitty pop-punk tricks i've heard a thousand times and it floors me every time i hear it. also i love the way she sings "this love is difficult, but it's re-eal."

samosa gibreel, Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I swear bookmarks aren't working for me on this thread

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Someone mentioned that they didn't think Taylor was an acquired taste, but it took LOTS of exposure for her to grow on me. She's a great craftsman, really knows how to build a solid song. But yeah, she does need to expand her songs' meaning and topic base and that's why I'm excited to see what she does over this decade.

forksclovetofu, Saturday, 30 January 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link

i personally prefer the feel-good vibes of Azari & III

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:27 AM Bookmark

Their songs are about AIDS and egotisism!

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

egotism*

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

those are the deep messages that you only get when you listen on 'phones

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah bookmarks definitely not working for me on this thread; weird :(

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

@j0rdan: in all the GAPDY discussion i don't think anyone had yet made that connection between consensus and music as a communal experience and a soundtrack for a set of friends in a particular year, for a particular set of lives in time, basically. those connotations can make it an emotional thing in itself leaving aside those inherent in the music. but versions of these go on in the swag thread too, not just that consensus but reactions against wider consensus, like Shine Blockas is A+ and everyone likes it but look at where is it in this poll, has it been penalized because it makes Gucci palatable to reactionary rap fans and indie yanks? deej lols at indie kids digging Gibbs and pretty soon whiney and surfboard are treating him like some kind of joke figure, when everybody knows he's a damn good rapper with solid to beautiful production, though like shine blockas not doing anything amazingly new besides skipping a record deal and giving music away, or putting gucci over a dope old loop.

― zvookster, Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:01 AM Bookmark

Ehh, that line of thinking is very flexible depending on the individual and the subject, though. I'm probably more invested in rap than 95% of this board, but I voted for "Shine Blockas" and "Day 'n' Nite" and "Trap Goin' Ham", all of which have been decried at various points by the swag crew as rap songs that mostly appeal to non-rap fans or rap reactionaries or whatever. Why? Because they are great songs. And I'm sure everybody else has their own discrepencies with autogoon orthodoxy, as such a thing exists.

zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link

the whole "Shine Bocks and Freddie Gibbs are unimpeachably great, the only reason they're not #1 everything worldwide is a bunch of contrarian maneuvering" thing is bs too, people have different opinions and aren't just pretending to not like what zvookster likes

The Happening 2: Our Borad (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

i've never met/spoken to anyone outside of ilm who doesn't like shine blockas

samosa gibreel, Saturday, 30 January 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i've never encountered anyone outside of ilm or the pitchfork staff who's heard of shine blockas

The Happening 2: Our Borad (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

^^

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

dude i dunno, from what i can tell it's big with indie blogs

max ipad (k3vin k.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean people do realize that the overwhelming majority of Outkast or Gucci Mane fans haven't even heard that song, right? not that that makes it bad, but its stature is for all intents and purposes solely among internet crits.

xpost -- i don't really read indie blogs so i haven't encountered that, although it makes perfect sense that those blogs have followed PF's lead

The Happening 2: Our Borad (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link

starting to think all you guys talk to is internet crits

zvookster, Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

but uv cuss! hence the board

forksclovetofu, Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean i'm talking largely about the internet largely: ppl dling from nahright or 2dopeboys or DGB or smoking section or noz or o-dub and passing it through email, msg board, slsk chat, IRC, old heads who don't check for new rap and indie herbs chatting and emailing me about "exhibit c" & "shine blockas"

if you dislike 'em that;s fine, i'm not saying it's pretending to like, but seems like swaggers like em just fine! maybe it's a function of the rolling threads. has word gone out on ilx about yelawolf, trap muzik or is it just in swag that no one checks for? did it go out about these that ilx ppl might like? or was there a feeling like, yeah gibbs, shine blockas, jay elect, good tracks and they'd maybe be all over it but really why push these guys and not other guys just because they aren't pushing the envelope...let's actually react against that consensus appeal

just putting it out there, i know there's a lot of assumption in it

zvookster, Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

largely largely

zvookster, Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

*pretending to dislike

zvookster, Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

if my only contact w/ anyone was crit types on the internet I wouldn't be saying "Shine Blockas" is relatively unknown among most DJs, rap fans, etc., I'd probably assume the contrary. "Exhibit C" is much more a song that is kind of mingling around out there in the world in places other than year-end lists.

The Happening 2: Our Borad (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

surfboard seems to hate gibbs and whiney lukewarm (just looked up the review of the midwest tape: #6.5) so yeah maybe i'm just all be fair about what iiiii like

zvookster, Saturday, 30 January 2010 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link

zvookster i tri mi best 2 make my posts only semi readable but fuck kudos i have no idea wtf u r talking abt

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 30 January 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

zvookster i tri mi best 2 make my posts only semi readable but fuck kudos i have no idea wtf u r talking abt

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 30 January 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

contention is that tracks like "exhibit c", "shine blockas", "county bounce", "murder on my mind" had crossover appeal to indie types, rap luddites, generalist fans due to being largely traditional & familiar in form plus being good#

contention is that swag thinks these tracks are good

contention is that these tracks did so cross over, like to p4k and o-dub who hardly writes about hip hop anymore

suggestion is there is a reaction against that from swag dudes

postulation that either swag talks them down, or rolling threads like swag might keep tracks of wide-appeal like this, if such they be, from their own polls and from wider ilx

observation is that they did not place high enough

zvookster, Saturday, 30 January 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

ok dnr ringtone was called swag this yr too

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 30 January 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

i think we still prefer autogoons or goons

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 January 2010 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah swag seems weird, i have this image of alla u dressed like gucci in 08

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 30 January 2010 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe hoos could pull it off but like nagl 4 all of u as a rule

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 30 January 2010 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i've never encountered anyone outside of ilm or the pitchfork staff who's heard of shine blockas

― The Happening 2: Our Borad (some dude), Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

well, i guess we know different people then. i've danced to it a couple of times, talked to people about it, and seen it posted as a fb link by at least 3 different people, each time with multiple comments. i mean, it's not like everyone on the block has heard it but it's got around. people like outkast, man, it's not like this is some lo-fi blog-premiered chillwave single.

samosa gibreel, Saturday, 30 January 2010 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i guess it is out there to some degree. but I mean compared to Big Boi's previous buzz single, "Royal Flush," which charted and really felt like it was a minor event across all sorts of different rap fan demographics, it still seems like "Shine Blockas" has a very narrow niche.

The Happening 2: Our Borad (some dude), Saturday, 30 January 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

ya i agree with that, which is weird cause 'shine blockas' to me feels like an update of 'intl players anthem' in terms of sound and aspiration. it sounds like alot more like a potential pop hit than 'royal flush' anyways, which is obv great but a 90's throwback. all these big boi album release politics is the most confusing and frustrating thing ever, man.

samosa gibreel, Sunday, 31 January 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link

u kno fancy is gonna place tho right?

plaxico (I know, right?), Sunday, 31 January 2010 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link

doubt it

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link

could, wouldn't bet on it

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link

some ppl in the nom thread were saying that they'd dropped terius off their singles list to make room for other stuff, but left him on the albums ballot. alex in mtl was saying he had 'fancy' as number one, but it wasn't a big rallying point iirc. me, i'm rooting for 'sweat it out.'

samosa gibreel, Sunday, 31 January 2010 00:50 (fourteen years ago) link

i only voted for "rockin that shit", and while i'm a little disappointed that it placed so low i think it would be dumb if a non-single like "fancy" placed above it. i'd be really baffled if "sweat it out" beat it

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 00:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I am still pondering Guido a little and I find it surprising that some people (lex in particular) are emphasizing his melodies (which I just don't hear as very impressive but maybe in the "dance"* context they are). I would have thought it had more to do with the particular combination of sounds he pulls together. If someone had said, "Well, you have to recognize all the sources he is alluding to: the disco strings (which you probably hear clearly enough as it is) and the blah blah blah blah and the this and that," I probably would have thought: okay, that makes sense. Sounds kind of like an intellectual approach, but I can sort of see how it would work. Anyway, to me, the most appealing thing about that Guido track (not that I love it) is the way it combines sounds in unusual ways.

*I still really resent the appropriation of "dance" as a label for what is actually a narrow segment of music people dance to and I'm never going to get over it.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 31 January 2010 00:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, to disco strings you could add smooth jazz saxophone, but then this really blatantly electronic sounds almost like primitive academic electronic music of yore, and then the heavy bass underneath it all, which I guess would be one of its key connections to dubstep.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 31 January 2010 00:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Sorry I keep calling it "that Guido track" instead of "The Way U Make Me Feel." (It has a Christian name!)

It feels a little like transmorgified early 80s TV theme music maybe.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, my favorite track here is the Kid Cudi one (which was new to me--actually I may have checked it out once before earlier in the year via ILM and then forgotten it), which I liked before Vevo blocked it because it contained some of their content.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link

"Inflation" - also pleasant enough. I like the beats but it doesn't really do a whole lot with them. I don't like the snipped echoey "Woo!" which comes off as too ironic or something (but I guess it's just a normal "dance music" thing).

Not going to bother to listen to all the stuff that looks like hip-hop or all the stuff that looks like indie rock.

"Love Story" is my least favorite Taylor Swift single, I think, but I can't remember if I voted for it or not.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Not going to bother to listen to all the stuff that looks like hip-hop or all the stuff that looks like indie rock.

ha i kinda admire this, you know what you like

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm glad all the roots rock is saved for the end. I figure there's gotta be at least 3 songs by the Avett Brothers, some Wilco, maybe a little Wussy. Can't forget Neko Case Middle Cyclone and probably 9 songs from the Jay Farrar project.

Great job guys!

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 31 January 2010 02:17 (fourteen years ago) link

"Inflation" - also pleasant enough. I like the beats but it doesn't really do a whole lot with them. I don't like the snipped echoey "Woo!" which comes off as too ironic or something (but I guess it's just a normal "dance music" thing).

The "Woo!" is kind of Crazy Cousinz trademark. It appears in pretty much all their productions.

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Rudi: Check out "Hey Playa!" I could imagine it being up your alley.

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 02:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm glad all the roots rock is saved for the end. I figure there's gotta be at least 3 songs by the Avett Brothers, some Wilco, maybe a little Wussy. Can't forget Neko Case Middle Cyclone and probably 9 songs from the Jay Farrar project.

Taylor Swift is kinda rootsy, no?

free rental car and sushi with my girl at 7 (KMS), Sunday, 31 January 2010 05:15 (fourteen years ago) link

re guido, i know we aren't supposed to be putting youtubes in here that aren't on the list but beautiful complication is URGENT and KEY to this discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vL487qSmOo
for my money, it's ten times better than way u make me feel

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 05:33 (fourteen years ago) link

if i had known there was so much guido love on here i would've absolutely nominated

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 05:34 (fourteen years ago) link

so what's the highest rated hip hop song on this poll gonna be, ya think? cuz if it's fucking drake or fucking empire state of mind i will be hella http://media.bigoo.ws/content/gif/music/music_139.gifhttp://media.bigoo.ws/content/gif/music/music_139.gifhttp://media.bigoo.ws/content/gif/music/music_139.gif

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 05:36 (fourteen years ago) link

It's gonna be either 9x or ESoM. Drake might place, but not higher than either of those

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 05:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Esom?

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 05:52 (fourteen years ago) link

oh, right. yeah, kinda hoping empire state doesn't place; i really don't like that song

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 05:53 (fourteen years ago) link

ehh, I'm just kinda resigned to it

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 06:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Reverend, I listened to "Playa" and think it's okay, and you are right that it's at least closer to my type of thing, between the Moroccan (I guess?) sample and the somewhat circa 1990 feel to it all.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 31 January 2010 06:27 (fourteen years ago) link

It's sampled from the Morocco episode of Bizarre Foods!

Skip to 2:10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIl_TuQAMHc

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 06:44 (fourteen years ago) link

how did you ever make that connection!?

Dan S, Sunday, 31 January 2010 06:55 (fourteen years ago) link

someone on a blog discovered it

Goon's Anatomy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 06:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i think quik has openly talked about it.

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Now I want Moroccan food. (I've got a Thai shrimp salad in the refrigerator for later and it will have to suffice.)

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:03 (fourteen years ago) link

something with preserved lemons, my favorite. speaking of which, I was kind of hoping "Lemonade" would make it on this list, but I guess that's not likely at this point.

Dan S, Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:11 (fourteen years ago) link

thai shrimp salad! oh man, I'll be over there asap

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:15 (fourteen years ago) link

This thread is a rollercoaster.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:17 (fourteen years ago) link

ok that guido track that forks just posted works for me a hell of a lot better than the one that made the cut. thats a fucking great song.

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:17 (fourteen years ago) link

thai shrimp salad! oh man, I'll be over there asap

I have to warn you Albuquerque's standards for Thai food are not high.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:28 (fourteen years ago) link

(It's still pretty good though.)

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:32 (fourteen years ago) link

xxp yeah I like this guido track better

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 07:50 (fourteen years ago) link

i mentioned "beautiful complication" and "orchestral lab" and "cat in the window" way upthread re: guido, i was hoping that i wouldn't need to post actual youtube embeds

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 09:07 (fourteen years ago) link

who the hell will vote for empire state of? do peoples' mums read ilx?

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Sunday, 31 January 2010 10:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i certainly didnt vote for it but it like, won P&J - it's definitely going to place

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 10:37 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry, why do people hate on empire state of mind? i really like it.

dog latin, Sunday, 31 January 2010 11:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I think it's fine, but I prefer "Death of Autotune" as far as Blueprint 3 singles go.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 31 January 2010 12:00 (fourteen years ago) link

ugh "death of autotune" is even worse

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 12:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Empire State Of Mind is the official coming out of Jay-Z liking Coldplay and U2 more than he likes hip-hop.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 12:07 (fourteen years ago) link

though ESoM was "uhh, Blueprint 3 isn't very...oh wait, this one is okay...yeah, dude has still got it!"

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Sunday, 31 January 2010 12:08 (fourteen years ago) link

tbh even repping for the big alicia keys chorus is unimpressive when her own "try sleeping with a broken heart" has a chorus which is bigger, better and has a power which isn't totally hollow

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 12:09 (fourteen years ago) link

^ iawtc

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 31 January 2010 12:11 (fourteen years ago) link

^ another acronym I don't understand

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 13:03 (fourteen years ago) link

One thing I've noticed about this list, and I guess I might be pointing out the obvious and inevitable, is the heralding of a serious early-90s revival across the board. Girls sounds like something off a Matador compilation from 94, Azari & III is about as N-Joi'd up as it gets, House of House could've been an early Warp single, Fuzzy Logic somehow reminds me of club classics like K-Klass or Robin S.

dog latin, Sunday, 31 January 2010 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link

didn't know esom topped p&j

really?!

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Sunday, 31 January 2010 13:20 (fourteen years ago) link

House of House could've been an early Warp single

No it couldn't. Yes it's revivalist - but not of Warp. It's just songful, disco influenced deep vocal house. a la Dubtribe Sound System's "Do It Now".

There's danger in drawing too many conclusions about 90s revivalism from dance music, mainly because about 80% of 90s dance music styles and sounds never went away, and as such have been enjoying "revivals" ever since the beginning of the 00s.

e.g. the Chicago house pop revival Azari & III point to has been sputtering on for ever.

You're possibly right insofar as last year a lot of 90s sounding stuff started to get more attention outside of its immediate fanbase.

Tim F, Sunday, 31 January 2010 13:21 (fourteen years ago) link

didn't know esom topped p&j

really?!

tbh even after the discussion we had on it, that result still baffles me.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 13:24 (fourteen years ago) link

If I could be bother wading through stats I'm sure you'd find there's lots of people with that as their one rap choice - which makes it perform better than either better rap (which has a smaller voting bloc plus vote splitting) or indie (which has a much larger voter bloc but also vote splitting).

AKA The Outkast Effect.

Tim F, Sunday, 31 January 2010 13:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim, I'm sure 90s-sounding stuff has always been coming out, but you're right, it's resurfacing under a wider radar now. Incidentally I used Warp as an example as it's one of the few reference points I could think of (not too up with my various dance styles unfortunately).

But what I mean is that there appears to be a marked aesthetic change from this year's list to previous years in that the only 80s-electro sounding track is that Royksopp thing which, while a very nice track, does sound a bit heard-it-before.

Seems a lot of the dance/hiphop on this thread is starting to take on a certain retro flavour (be it intentional or not). Take the signature "Woo!" samples in that Crazy Cousinz track. Someone was complaining that it sounded snipped and ironic, but it seems like this was the intention all along - it's like a flashback to 1990 when half the dance records in the charts used the same "Ah Yeah" and "Woo-yeh" samples (not to mention Utah Saints trademark "U-u-u-utah Saints"). IIRC this kind of faddy vocal resampling fell out of fashion by the mid-90s (probably after Jungle). Personally, I'm all for this ostensible revival if it exists.

dog latin, Sunday, 31 January 2010 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Call me rockist/what have you, but I'm admittedly only a casual listener of commercial hiphop, and practically an R'n'B detractor (save a few records), but I first heard ESOM while dancing on Christmas day. Loved it, it just made the night and since then I've been on a serious urban tip. And topically, the things I've been enjoying most are tracks I more or less ignored in the '90s as a mopey grunge kid. Arrested Development, En Vogue, Young Disciples, Fugees and Blackstreet have been brightening my 2010 no end, along with the Blueprint and certain other things from the '00s. This has made me a lot more open to some things (Electrick Red for example) which I would definitely not given a chance before.

So while ESOM might be bland by comparison to other efforts, I have this to thank for it and I'll rep for it.

dog latin, Sunday, 31 January 2010 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link

still wondering how long it'll take the nyc tourist department to turn "ESOM" into a big national ad campaign. it's what the song was made for.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 31 January 2010 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link

(shots of alicia keys singing at the piano with a big ol' grin interspersed with happy crowds at broadway shows, the statue of liberty, ice skating at rockefeller center, soho shoppers, the met, lincoln center, horse carriages in central park...)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 31 January 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link

(and then at the end zoom in on mike bloomberg on top of the empire state building with a crowd of tourists, as he says, "if you can make it here, we can take you anywhere." and ... cut.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 31 January 2010 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link

wow so sorry i missed the girls argument (i was waiting until i had a free 45 minutes to go through all the youtubes). but i do want to say a couple quick things. my main issue with the band is that he's going for a specific pre-1980 classicism and doing it in a v. deliberate and extremely affected way that i personally find results in an absolutely loathsome aesthetic. keep in mind, i am the guy who basically listens to no 1960s american music other than soul and "forever changes" and say what you want about gapdy but they pretty deftly avoid the reference points girls aims for (well maybe anco is onto some 60s psych shit but hey i don't really like them either).

i also think he's an awful and affected singer and found thomas mars' hyperactive broken english nonsense far more interesting and engaging than listening to the girls guy whine (in the most literal dictionary definition of the term) about chicks.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 31 January 2010 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link

ESOM is a rap song for people with no interest in rap music, which goes for the whole album. i guess this way of thinking is just the flip of busting j0rdan for liking girls but no other roots rock (or whatever genre that is), but oh well.

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link

speaking of 90s-ness, "So Good" totally sounds like CrazySexyCool-era TLC

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link

eh it draws on it, but i don't think you could say it would fit right in

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link

ESOM is a rap song for people with no interest in rap music, which goes for the whole album

This is OTM but dog latin has already provided a defense which is also OTM

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

xp I think you took that more literally than I intended

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm ready for the next track now, musically, when you're ready! Listened to my download comp about three times now. I love nearly everything here (bit lost on Taylor Swift, and Lady Gaga just ain't for me, but everything else is at least interesting). Other than Animal Collective (please stop calling them "AnCo") I knew very little on this list up until now. I have the Fever Ray album, but didn't find it as immediate as The Knife and kept putting off listening to it properly. I'd heard the Kid Cudi track on the radio but didn't know what it was. It's a great list though.

dog latin, Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

think you might have to wait til Monday!

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

fyi musically'll resume the countdown tomorrow, probably sometime in the morning on the west coast
xp

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

musically, i'm kind of ready for a sandiwch too. when you're ready.

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Yo P&J, I'm really hungry for you, Imma make u sammich

bnw, Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link

lol jordan

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link

never been sure abt the x for ppl who don't like x as a line of argument

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll rep for ESOM, but I am admittedly a sucker for big-budget, sorta Disnified rap spectacles (see also: Lose Yourself, Hypnotize, etc). And yeah, that chorus (Alicia owns this. All due respect to MJ Blige, but she could not have sold this in the same way).

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

that mag EOY list with one rap album to thread xp

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

ESOM is a rap song for people with no interest in rap music

I am also interested in rap music, btw.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

xxp: not sure why "Hypnotize" falls into that category, other than the video maybe. It doesn't have the overblown, histrionic qualities that ESOM or "Lose Yourself" have. In any case, "Hypnotize" and "Lose Yourself" are much better songs.

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm so incredibly bad at working out why certain songs cross over beyond their genre to other audiences like this, i'm always like...but this song and that song also had huge choruses and sympathetic narrators, why not them?! i don't even hate ESOM but it just feels so hokey and ho-hum that i have no idea how anyone could love it.

xps - yeah pillbox i get that argument but alicia has another song with a big-budget gargantuan chorus out now which is AMAZING and yet has failed to get similar traction to ESOM!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

pillbox no offence but weren't you the dude who thought "trap goin' ham" was about dinner

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought the Electrick Red track was okay (disclaimer, as mentioned before I'm not a true R'n'B stan, so may not be sure what I'm looking out for here), but it did kind of wash over me. I liked the record-slowing-down effect that takes place at the end of the first verse, but other than that it feels very much by the numbers. What I particularly like about R'n'b girl groups are the harmonies and interplay, but there doesn't seem to be a great deal happening here vocally, other than the surprisingly sweary lyrics. Compared to the vocal gymnastics of (and I know this is an ancient example) En Vogue's "Never Gonna Get It", this is pretty one note. There's neither the exuberance of most Destiny's Child tracks. So I'm not sold yet. I will try the rest of the album when I have a mo though.

dog latin, Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

pillbox no offence but weren't you the dude who thought "trap goin' ham" was about dinner

― zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:36 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol pusha t isn't actually baking carrotcake or shortbread in grindin fyi pillbox

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

pillbox no offence but weren't you the dude who thought "trap goin' ham" was about dinner - lol! I fantasized for a second that the song could be taken literally as a celebration of running a popular neighborhood grocery, but obv. I knew there were seedier elements at play. I'm no stranger to dirty south coke rap, but I don't really keep up on vernacular trends, so only recently learned the *real* meaning of "trap", "ham," "pie" & "yam." I love this track by the way. It certainly would have made the upper end of my list, had it been on my radar earlier.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd recommend reading the rolling fruity ring goon occasionally then.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Alicia Keys appeals to a slightly different bunch than Jay-Z etc. But combined they hit the hip-hop bros and the soul-singer girls together.

dog latin, Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link

not sure why "Hypnotize" falls into that category, other than the video maybe. - yeah I might be conflating production values b/w song & video in this case. Either way, it was a case of rap song as "event," even if its status as such blurs my memory of the actual song a bit.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link

just saying being interested in rap in the oh nine and not knowing what the trap is are kinda incompatible

wouldn't say it's 100% coincidence that these are food terms btw, and if you are looking for social comment beyond reportage in the track that might be where to find it. dude came up with killer mike and is a clever motherfucker.

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

OK then I guess I'm not interested in rap. you win.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I think the different appeal of Jay-Z and Alicia does bring more people to ESoM. at this point I feel immune to Jay-Z's shtick and prefer the version on Alicia's album that cuts him out completely... great anthemic sound, with more personality than she usually reveals

Dan S, Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link

i honestly don't see why you can't enjoy rap and not be familiar with the vernacular or the slang; do you need to know Italian to enjoy Tosca? Hell, in some cases it might be easier to like a song if you approach it with naivete; my girl misunderstood 'Coffee Shop' as a young entrepreneur opening a cafe and i've willfully heard it that way since.

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link

get the fuck out of here w/ that one forks

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link

from otm to smh in record time

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link

any case pillbox, pill is worth more than a cursory listen; I like 'glass' a lot as well. His first two mix albums (no "official" release as of yet) is available for free download online.
http://pill4180.com/?cat=9

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link

your first point is correct but idk how you can listen to something like "coffee shop" and think -- well obviously there is something more going on here, I WONDER WHAT IT IS -- whether you actually investigate the metaphor (or go, well obviously this is likely about selling drugs) is up to you, but there is no way one could go "HMMM WOW A RAP SONG ABOUT AN INDEPENDENT COFFEE HOUSE. SUCK ON THIS STARBUCKS!" or "HMMM A RAP SONG ABOUT LUNCH MEAT!"

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link

and not think**

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm a t-r-a-p-s-t-ar
Got the shop on lock, big potatoes in the sale section
And she likes it (she likes it, she likes it)
And she likes it
I'm a t-r-a-p-s-t-ar
Keep meat in the chilled section, incl. goose from afar
And she likes it (she likes it, chyeah, ayy ayy)
And she likes it (She likes it, she likes it)

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

jesus christ, you guys seriously think you are obliged to appreciate trap music in the context of slinging dope and that it's unrealistic to enjoy them out of context? i hate to remind you but it's DAMAGED BEHAVIOR to sell (rightly or wrongly) illicit substances, profit on the back of the poor/addicted/hopeless and engage in casual violence. You want to sell me a song that discusses the underlying causes or puts your life or the life of people in your community in stark relief? That's cool. You want me to revel in the fucked up shit that you're engaging in and chant along as if it's part of my worldview or something that I feel is sensible or laudable? Not so much. So if I can appreciate the music/lyricism/skill involved in, say, a ten crack commandments, I think i can do that without feeling the need to be REAL and HARD about just how i'm appreciating it and not get guilty about it.

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Yung Joc - Coffee Shop (Jake One's Seattle's Best Coffee remix)

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

no i'm just saying that you're being a willfully ignorant retard to go around pretending like yung joc is rapping about coffee

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Umm I don't think any of us where trying to make you pro-crack rock industries.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

OH MAN I LOVE HOW DISTRICT 9 DEALS ONLY WITH HOW THESE ALIENS ARE SEQUESTERED ON EARTH AND JUST LEAVES IT AT THAT. WHAT A FILM THAT YOU CAN TAKE AT FACE VALUE. NOW HOW WANTS A HAM SANDWICH?

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

also, bear in mind that the language, dialect and diction of a lot of popular (and unpopular rap) is such that a dilettante is going to have a hard time deciphering it without some hand holding. The reason she though coffee shop was about, well, a coffee shop was that Joc is mumbly and the chorus is easy to understand and that's where the high pitched voice is talking about taking orders, steaming it up, dealing with repeat customers, etc. If you're not part of that world (which i really do hope no one here is, except in the most glancing way) and you haven't got a clear idea of the context, what ELSE would you think it's about?

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

well, your girl is your girl, if she doesn't fuck with rap than it's just a fun novelty song, whatever -- but anyone who's been paying attention to rap since like... 2003 should not be able to take that at face value at all

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link

sometimes you can admire the craft istead of being a moralizing, overthinking goof, too.

anyway i dont think that was anyone's point? the point was (and i'd probably agree) is that it's hard to believe someone is really immersed in rap if he or she just bothered to figure out what "trap" meant the other day

xp dorksclovetofu

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I always got confused how people would need to write articles about the slang in The Wire. If the kids slinging are referred to some way, and they watched episodes seeing them referred to that way- how the fuck could they not work it out for themselves without some pompose cunt going "You may 'Yo' as a greeting, like 'Hello' but in Baltimore, a 'Yo' is actually..."

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

you may *know* 'yo' etc.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

deciphering the phrase "trap goin ham" and what "pies" might mean is a bit more... advanced i guess

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Jordan: i was being tongue in cheek, but sometimes it's necessary to find a thruline that people can walk to appreciate music and find ways around things that they would otherwise find repugnant and horrible. i'm kinda clear on what coffeeshop is about. but when trying to get friends into the song, i'm not leading with IT'S ABOUT DRUGS ISN'T IT AWESOME
also, if you like district 9 as an action movie alone without the political allegory i don't see why that's not a reasonable way to enjoy it. if you choose to come back to it for more depth/meaning and that bolsters your enjoyment/understanding, good for you, but I think it's okay to take things on face value and not have your own enjoyment belittled simply because you're dealing with things on the surface and that's enough.

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

ftr my initial statements about TGH were a goof, a riff on something Dr. C wrote about flying pies. I was never under the impression that it was actually about selling food (tho that would be awesome).

Forks OTM. When it comes to the kaleidoscopic world of rap slang, I often prefer to guess at the meaning of a thing, or otherwise allow for unintentional (& often absurd) connotations. If the lyrics of a particular song or artist are of especial interest, I will investigate further. Beyond that, not really caring about what "trap" means has not in any way hindered my enjoyment of the genre.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

my girl DOES fuck with rap; she helped produce the Outkast 'driven'!
kevin: i only "overthink" when it feels appropriate. y'all think this stuff is simple but it's hella opaque unless you spend A LOT OF TIME listening to the music. goons (mainstream/backpack/niche/otherwise) get to being bullies about their music these days a lot faster than hipster indies or crusto rock nerds, seems to me.

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link

NO ONE SAID IT WAS BAD TO TAKE ART AT FACE VALUE

the point, again, is that if that's the way you listen to rap music, you shoould have heard hundreds of songs that reference "trap" and maybe once you've stopped to think why these people are rapping about trapping their food like fucking hunters and gatherers or whatever

xxp

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link

i just don't see how one could watch something like "trap goin ham" or "district 9" and not consider what the song/movie is trying to get across and trying to think about/investigate what those things are. it just seems like an intellectual dishonesty of sorts to me.

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link

& not that you can't enjoy something at face value -- or that understanding all the coke references in "trap goin ham" will make you like it more -- but i think it's willful ignorance to take some of these things at face value. that doesn't mean that you have to get into some undergraduate film study style analysis of it, but c'mon.

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

fwiw, obviously i _do_ think it's worth taking the time to engage with hip hop; but everybody gotta start somewhere
and the "moralizing" stuff is there solely to suggest why an open minded person of taste might knowingly shy away from working hard to get too acquainted with the underlying meaning of the music; who wants to find out that some griot is actually singing about pro-genocidal tendencies or that the musette is seriously racist

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Before I officially looked it up, I had assumed "trap" was a reference to one's domicile, or perhaps neighborhood, esp. as those things pertain to a certain subset of illicit activity. It turns out it basically means "crackhouse." Mind = blown.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

to your points on repetition and exposure, I seriously think it's a case of people finding the words difficult to decipher! I know lots of people (white, btw) who would describe themselves as rap fans who can't determine wtf even a relatively clearly articulate rapper like TI is saying. I think for a lot of people the exact lyrics are vastly secondary to beat and flow and, while that's not how I enjoy listening to music, I think it's overly protective to act like that's not a "real" way to appreciate a song.

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

for better or worse, pillbox's response of "mind=blown" has been the majority one I get with non-hardcore fans. Even (maybe even especially!) among people who work music industry. you goons have a unique and great way of appreciating the genre, but it is absolutely not the way most people do.

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

This is like that episode of beauty and the geek when the girl asked one of them about how much booty they had got and they were all like 'wtf i've never found pirate treasure, what are you on about crazy girl'

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

btw thx for the pill linx, forks.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

"booty" = slang that originated in the 1920's, long since culturally ubiquitous
"going ham" = slang that originated in the 2000's, not generally well known

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm just looking to make converts. i know i'm corny. but i like the music!

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

^one for posts v. much in character btw

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

the thing about food metaphors in rap songs is that they're mostly pretty boneheaded and suface-level anyway, so people treating them like a secret handshake to some profound inner meaning to the song need to chill the fuck out

alf shumway (some dude), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean it's not really the same thing as knowing how apartheid informed District 9 tbh

alf shumway (some dude), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

so people treating them like a secret handshake to some profound inner meaning to the song need to chill the fuck out

― alf shumway (some dude), Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:16 PM (2 minutes ago)

tbf this was more a mischaracterization of what we (or at least i) were saying than the actual argument

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

"HMMM WOW A RAP SONG ABOUT AN INDEPENDENT COFFEE HOUSE. SUCK ON THIS STARBUCKS!" or "HMMM A RAP SONG ABOUT LUNCH MEAT!"

how is that new paul barman album anyway?

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean part of the charm of "coffee shop" is obviously how everyone including yung joc can pretend it's about a coffee shop, right, though granted the humour here is dependent on knowing that it's not

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess, it's kinda hard to tell what's going on after the ridiculous dogpile

alf shumway (some dude), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah it's just...that's why good slang is good slang!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

there is charm in "coffee shop"?

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link

it sounds like a nursery rhyme, you'd think charm is at least part of what they're going for

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

i think it is a nursery rhyme

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

right but i mean they fail obv

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

terius wrote that hook i'm pretty sure

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

would explain a lot!

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i.e. catchiness

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

http://charm.urbanup.com/4137706
http://slang.urbanup.com/962557

een, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

trying to imagine how a neophyte would make any sense out of the food oriented imagery in hip hop
http://tbohiphop.net/upload/files/18/pics/GucciMane.jpg
To say nothing of the arm and hammer pendant.

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

ah, here it is
http://www.radricdavis.com/images/gucci-mane-chains.jpg

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

the better drug reference chain is his egg beater one

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry for joining this stupid dogpile, but can I just draw a distinction between a casual rap fan like pillbox not getting it (perfectly ok) and a rap thread regular like forks not getting it (kinda willful)

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Suprisingly, cooking up stovetop crack looks a lot like cooking stovetop oatmeal to my eyes (at least judging from the Trap Goin' Ham vid). Never cooked up crack myself so I can't say how closely the vid hews to the reality of actually cooking up some crack.

free rental car and sushi with my girl at 7 (KMS), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

ha, ok, i never got the egg beater chain link! i just thought it was a lol gucci is awesome chain idea.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

forks and pillbox, i take it all back.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

hmm just realised i don't know whether young dro's constant seafood references are slang or not, have been happily assuming he just likes tilapia a lot

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

..happily assuming he just likes tilapia a lot

or how about:

Me and Eric B, and a nice big plate of
Fish, which is my favorite dish

Is Rakim *really* talking about condoms filled w/ heroin here?

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, no that's yams, not fish!
but maybe we should discuss fishscale now

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link

lols at "StoveTop Crack"

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

If you are referring to the rarefied variety of cocaine that is the titular subject of the 2006 Ghostface album, than I, sir, am hip to your jargon.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link

i hereby call this meeting of the music nerd/street slang society to a close. seconded?

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

"

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

you shoould have heard hundreds of songs that reference "trap"

yeah this is what i meant.

think why people have a chip on their shoulder about people tipping a toe into hip hop is that your enjoyment of increases expodentially with immersion. it's endlessly recursive and presents, defines, its innovations in the face of all that went before it.

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

it's not like, "this sounds a bit like sonic youth"

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

In my defense, I'm not actually the rap noob that I'm coming across as. For years I was all about golden age/native tongues/backpacker/indie type stuff & I still like some of that (the Finale record was on my top albums list), but it has only been in the last five years or so that I've embraced post-mid-90s hardcore/gangsta stuff (which I had avoided for ethical reasons which were probably pretentious to begin with, but seemed esp. negligible when I realized a lot of the stuff I was missing out on was totally slammin). And it has only been since about the release of Underground Kingz that I've taken an especial interest in dirty south stuff, new & old, so yeah, I'm def a novice to the sub-genre in which the word "trap" would typically be exchanged, tho not necessarily so to rap as a whole.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

gatekeeping in full effect itt!

jabba hands, Sunday, 31 January 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

finale record is real good, but i think i picked up a bad mix or rip, the vocals don't stand out like i think they're supposed to, either that or i can't seem to focus on them. been meaning to pick up another copy so thanks for the reminder. if you ever see that EA advert with Pete Rock, check out his T-shirt!

the opposite jabba imo

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

xxp: duly noted

now my turn to look ignorant. what is Finale?

zvincter (The Reverend), Sunday, 31 January 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

detroit rapper, production by black milk, dilla, detroit usual suspects

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

funny how detroit picked up where NY fell off, gives creedence to dallas penn's "most hip hop cities in america" theory where the more fucked you are, the better the hip hop

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link

album A Pipedream and a Promise

zvookster, Sunday, 31 January 2010 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUBqx1tGWk

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Sunday, 31 January 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i can go for really long periods of time without understanding rap slang after i've been exposed to it. sometimes the metaphors are too obvious to ignore, but sometimes it's kind of a fun mystery.

samosa gibreel, Sunday, 31 January 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i think people itt are giving ESOM a much harder time than it deserves. yes there's at least two too many hova verses, and they do get worse as the song goes on, but it's a fully functional pop song that's fun to listen to mostly because of the great chorus but also because of the bouncy, sunny beat. i don't agree with number one single of the year, and i'd probably prefer if it were out of the ILM top 10, but can we just admit it's not a bad song? sometimes people here are too grumpy for their own good.

samosa gibreel, Sunday, 31 January 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

besides the song hasn't even charted here (yet)

cozen, Sunday, 31 January 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

empire state may not be a bad song but it ain't much of a good song either.

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

the number of verses is definitely a problem. sometimes i'll keep listening to it just to hear that great bridge, and I get really disappointed if a chorus ends and it's still Jay droning on "LIGHTS IS BLINDING BLAH BLAH BALH"

alf shumway (some dude), Sunday, 31 January 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link

anyway the thing is any halfway catchy Jay single had a good chance of being a ubiquitous Billboard/Pazz & Jop #1 at this point in his career, it just took this long because most of his post-retirement singles have been dogshit

alf shumway (some dude), Sunday, 31 January 2010 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link

anyway the thing is any halfway catchy Jay single had a good chance of being a ubiquitous Billboard/Pazz & Jop #1 at this point in his career, it just took this long because most of his post-retirement singles have been dogshit

I hadn't thought of it this way but it's totally true.

Tim F, Sunday, 31 January 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

wrt esom i liked it a lot when i heard it on the radio @ my friend luca's house while he was making dinner but like it was just some song on the radio that you could listen 2 while chopping carrots but when its got all this bluster and "crossover hit" and I <3 NY stencilled all over it it seems kinda dead and gross and I liked it a lot more before all that

plaxico (I know, right?), Sunday, 31 January 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah the first few times i heard it i was all "hey this is great please make this the next single, anything to get Run This Town off the radio"

alf shumway (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link

WE ARE YA I SAID IT WE ARE

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i guess a weird comp 2 make is this song Galway girl which is ireland's most famous accordion player(tm) and steve earl and was a massive radio hit when i went to college but bc nobody really talked abt it beyond yeah this song is alright the fact that i was allowed to internalise "this is where im from and they mention salthill in it" seemed ok and personal and mine but when I got back to galway and it was this horrible fist-pumping thing at the end of the night in student-ey bars it was just really distorted and gross and I guess some songs are able to take this much better than others like some songs become really tasteless and empty when they're anthems

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFlfSeh-Ts8

is the song, i didn't embed cos isn't that the rule?

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link

wait ok it ignores the url tag my bad

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I understand what you're saying, Plaxico. I guess too much of the wrong kind of exposure to anything will make you hate it, even if you liked it originally.

dog latin, Monday, 1 February 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link

20 -- Jay-Z - Empire State of Mind (ft. Alicia Keys) (13 votes, 144.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (1 in P&J, 44 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8

just blew me away: the hook, the video, all Alicia's bits really. Jay's fine, although I wish he wouldn't chuckle at the 'bus route' bit. If I had to criticise it, it would be for the cliches: de Niro, Biggie, concrete jungle etc. It doesn't need them - it's epic already. -Ismael Klata

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ this placing immediately after all that

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

loooooooooool

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Somehow I've managed to avoid hearing this song; should I bother?

Euler, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I still like "Run This Town" a lot btw

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Euler, you can click on the video and hear it. I love it, but then I'm not from New York. It sounds big and anthemic and a lot of fun.

dog latin, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link

"Run This Town" is v. underrated, "Empire" overrated.

xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah I know; I guess b/c it placed here I ought to bother. Basically all I hear about the song is "boo, this is boring, lame latter-day Jay-Z" and you know, attention is limited.

Euler, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link

"run this town" and "empire state of mind" both suck, at least we're done with jay

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Jay's comeback ranked (according to me): American Gangster >>>>>>>>>>>> Blueprint 3 >>> Kingdom Come

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Jay's career ranked (according to me): every album before 2004 >>>>>>>>> every album after

shawty threw a shitfit sayin i'm a nitwit LOL :) LOL :) (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

otm

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I just love the hell out of the American Gangster album, sorry guyz.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link

There have been very very few British entries on here so far. I count only Florence and Basement Jaxx (although I don't know where a lot of the dance tracks originate)

dog latin, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link

darkstar, fuzzy logik & egypt, crazy cousinz and guido are all UK too

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

AG is aight, things about the vox/production bother me but it holds together better than the other 2 (although I'd rank even Kingdom Come over BP3). Still I'm not convinced anything he's done the last few years even meets the low bar set by the Blueprint 2. (xpost)

shawty threw a shitfit sayin i'm a nitwit LOL :) LOL :) (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Jay's comeback ranked (according to me): American Gangster >>>>>>>>>>>> Blueprint 3 >>> Kingdom Come

^ This is accurate, American Gangster is a hell of an album and I'd place it in my top 4-5 of Jay's.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

should i even pick the fight of asking what pre-retirement albums you prefer it to? i'm thinking i shouldn't.

shawty threw a shitfit sayin i'm a nitwit LOL :) LOL :) (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

For my money, American Gangster is Jay-Z's best album since Reasonable Doubt. I like it even better than the Blueprint and the Black Album.

Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

This is some crazy talk.

Mordy, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link

better than the blueprint!!!!???

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link

O_O

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

For my money, American Gangster is Jay-Z's best album since Reasonable Doubt. I like it even better than the Blueprint and the Black Album.

co-sign

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

1. Reasonable Doubt
2. American Gangster
3. The Blueprint
4. Vol. 1
5. The Black Album
6. Vol. 3
7. Vol. 2
8. Roc La Familia*
9. Kingdom Come*
10. Blueprint 2
11. Blueprint 3*

Though these are probably due for some re-appraisal.

Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

one thing I have learned is not to talk to anyone on ILM about Jay-Z

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

better than the blueprint!!!!???

Yeah. Ignoring the historical significance, that is. There's a lot more depth of emotion and thought on American Gangster, whereas on The Blueprint he's more like a sociopath faking emotion. (Which is doubly funny because AG is the one where he's supposedly role-playing.) Plus, AG has ballsier production and just plain better songs--"Ignorant Shit," "No Hook," "Success," "American Dreamin'," "Blue Magic."

Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

*supposedly = supposed to be

Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, 1 February 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

::throws up hands::

shawty threw a shitfit sayin i'm a nitwit LOL :) LOL :) (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

::waves them, doesn't care, exits conversation::

shawty threw a shitfit sayin i'm a nitwit LOL :) LOL :) (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean, I could go on... ;)

Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

well at least you agree BP3 sucks. moving on please, less crazy talk, more good songs

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah what's 19!?!?!

shawty threw a shitfit sayin i'm a nitwit LOL :) LOL :) (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

1. The Black Album
2. The Blueprint
3. Reasonable Doubt
4. Vol. 3
5. American Gangster
7. Vol. 2
6. Vol. 1
8. Blueprint 3
9. Roc La Familia
10. Kingdom Come
11. Blueprint 2

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link

stop stop

mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

let's talk some more about how fucking wretched GIRLS is

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Blueprint 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Girls

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

not really, lol

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

19 -- Future Of The Left - Arming Eritrea (10 votes, 147 points, 3 #1 vote/s) (301 in P&J, 98 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cmNy50dHzA

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

"Lust For Life" would be somewhere in the middle of a spectrum below "Real As It Gets" but above "Venus Vs. Mars" (xpost)

shawty threw a shitfit sayin i'm a nitwit LOL :) LOL :) (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

okay Future Of The Left is putting a big fucking ginormous smile on my face

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link

awesome

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

WORD

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes!

maciej recognizing trill, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

My #1

maciej recognizing trill, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Had you not heard them before, Dan? They're Mclusky 2.0 (can't remember how many members made the move).

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Heard of them, never heard them; was really only tangentially aware of McClusky via Joel Veitch Rathergood.com.

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

It sounds like My Chemical Romance meets Mclusky! Awesome!

autotuna fish (Tape Store), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link

that youtube is live and not that great, here's the video, non-embed

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkTvISL53HQ

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link

let's flail togethahhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHH

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link

The real video is awesome.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I love the line "caught in the switch of the flow," on that FotL song. So great, especially with that full-throttle delivery. The climax of that song has so much more drama, for want of a better word, than it has any right to. Shit just sounds huge and important. Fucking brilliant.

winnebago taco, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link

COME ON RICK

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

EVERYBODY

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha at Empire State of Mind (my #1 in case you didn't guess). I was expecting a pasting for it too, thanks for holding back.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

cool song

ciderpress, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link

nice!!!

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link

FOTL is smashing - yeah McClusky!!!!

dog latin, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link

i coulda sworn that was 2008 tho too

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link

They're Mclusky 2.0 (can't remember how many members made the move).

If I recall, the guitarist/vocalist and the drummer made the move; the bassist split off into another band.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

yah shooting at unarmed men

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I was expecting a pasting for it too, thanks for holding back.

it sort of arrived pre-pasted.

and as someone who kinda dug mcclusky and then forgot about them, i'm now intrigued by fotl. that song rocks pretty well.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link

by the way The Dynasty album is the second best Jay album, so you list makers are tripping.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Monday, 1 February 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Awesome! (xpost)

Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, 1 February 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

yay fotl! i'm glad everyone else is happy about this

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

this should've been the blurb beneath the youtube btw

DEEP IN THE HEART OF THE BATTLE

― k3vin k., Friday, November 6, 2009 11:05 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

CAUGHT IN THE SWITCH OF THE FLOOOOO-OOW

― k3vin k., Friday, November 6, 2009 11:06 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

FREE! DOM! FROM NOTES! SHE! SELLS! FREE! DOM! FROM! SOOOOOOOONGGGGGGGS!

― The looming shadow of the big baller/shot caller (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, November 6, 2009 2:19 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link

that's an agreeable spot for 'empire state of mind' -- 'american gangster' is NOT GOOD AT ALL - can't believe actual critics fell for that junk - it's pretty good sonically but jay never stopped falling off as a rapper after 'kingdom come'

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link

So is the rest of this FotL album as good as this?

Moreno, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

not as immediate/anthemic as that but it's a fantastic record

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

18 -- The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Zero (14 votes, 147.5 points) (6 in P&J, 6 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGNo8RL5kM

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

would have been my #1 if i did trax voting

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link

wonder if "heads will roll" is gonna show up - don't dislike "zero" at all but compared to HWR it's kinda negligible to me

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

i like "heads will roll" a lot better, but i can't really quibble with that

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

i agree w/ that last sentiment

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, i love 'zero' but am hoping that ILX bucks the trend and shows HWR as the superior single. no way it didn't place if 'hysteric' made it.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

dogpile can start here: damned if i can figure out why yyy are so damn popular amongst the crit/indie set

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link

POP

ciderpress, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

1. Karen O is unconventionally cute
2. her vocal delivery is Indiecrit Catnip 101
3. the whole artskool punks develop into pop band aesthetic is Indiecrt Catnip 102

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

i liked abt half of fever to tell but then

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link

like rich and pin are good songs

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link

1. maybe? i don't see it so much?
2. definitely, but it's just caterwauling to me
3. this sounds like sub-pop aesthetic to me; nothing here really gets me in the coccyx

but yeah, i'm fronting with the "HOW can ANYONE love this" attitude; I guess I know very well why this is so well received. It just doesn't resonate for me.

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link

karen o is about the only woman around who's picked up and run with the baton of the toris, polly jeans and courtneys of my teenage years - i find her kind of awe-inspiring

i'm also super-impressed at the evolution of the band - i loved their early material but no way did i think they'd be around even a couple of years later - the melancholy country-tinged stuff on their second album was a real revelation, and it's not too great a step from there to what they're doing on it's blitz, which isn't really so much notable for its use of synths or pop hooks (they always had pop hooks!) but its confidently epic scope - everything on the album just makes me think of wide open spaces and freedom.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

"date with the night" and "bang" are still amazing rock songs

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

i h8 everything but "maps" w/ a passion but i definitely understand (or at least am not surprised or flummoxed) by their popularity

shawty threw a shitfit sayin i'm a nitwit LOL :) LOL :) (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

liked a few of their earlier stuff, didn't see what the fuss was about (this was in the midst of indie rock NME revolution nonsense) and left it. really quite taken with It's Blitz, which is the first YYYs album I've heard all the way through. don't see any real comparison with the other GADP stuff, although I don't think Phoenix sits well in that category either. It's pretty basic pop/rock, just done really well as far as i can tell.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I am going to avoid having yet another "ppl are mental, the middle of It's Blitz! is absolutely the best part" conversation with Lex by ducking out and running to the Apple store to window shop. ^_^

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm also far from an expert on this but i love how each member of the band is so distinct - the guitars and drums have just as much personality as the voice, which is REALLY rare among indie bands as far as i can tell

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

they transitioned from early internet/brooklyn buzz band to well-respected mainstream pop-rock act almost seamlessly--one of the more interesting music stories of the 2000s imo

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

i love tori and pj (and conditionally, hole) plenty; but yyy just sound flat and unimaginative here. i'd prefer paramore 9Xoutta10.

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

is zero in a national ad yet? I feel like it could easily replace the "SAVED BY ZERO" commercials

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i love how each member of the band is so distinct

yeah i'm not a huge fan, but they're sort of objectively good -- they can really play, which i don't mean in some rockist way, just that they have real crackle. i've never seen them live but i bet they're fun to watch.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah the drummer is good and it seems like the guitarist has some ideas -- really it's mainly the screeching olive oyl in the bowl cut that puts me off them

shawty threw a shitfit sayin i'm a nitwit LOL :) LOL :) (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

wonder if "heads will roll" is gonna show up

Top 10 prediction, you heard it here first. :)

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

youd swear GAPDY was like "the irascibles" the way ppl have started referring to it

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

my only problem with this track (and with the album as a whole) is that there's something about the production that homogenizes all the sounds into a kind of sheen. it's offputting for me

yeah I think HWR is better and will be top 10

Dan S, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't get the love for "Heads Will Roll". I love the buildup of "Zero", whereas HWR just kind of is what it is from the beginning, and what it is is rather dull. But I loathe this band, "Zero" excepted.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 1 February 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link

au contraire, i think HWR has a great build aspect. gets fiercer as it goes on.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link

HWR is great but Zero is a total monster. The bit where the the beat drops back in for the second verse was probably my favourite musical moment of 2009. Utterly transporting live, as well. My favourite single of 2005 was Destroy Everything You Touch and Zero has some of the same huge, ecstatic menace.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 1 February 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I like the sequencer in this track. A lot. I Dunno how I missed out the YYYs last year, but I'm making up for it now. Show Yr Bones was kind of a snooze, I thought, so I didn't rush out to get this one, which was obviously a mistake. I would also like to own a sculpture of Karen O as she appears in that video.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link

17 -- The xx - Crystalised (11 votes, 157.5 points) (33 in P&J, 16 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pib8eYDSFEI

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link

imo YYYs best single is still "turn into". love it's blitz! but don't see any reason to have three of its singles represented here, but oh well

xp

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Man that song is boring.

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link

that xx track has to have the highest per-vote vag so far

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

uhhhhhhhh *avg*

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

woa fotl is some smoke coming off the stylus type stuff

zvookster, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

rofl @ k3vin

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

looooooooool

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link

"crystalised" <3 <3 <3 <3

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link

We need a xx are a bunch of fannies jokes quick

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

This song received above vag placement on my list.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Arming Eritrea had the second highest average & highest average so far, the track with the highest average overall is two results away.

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

It's always the same on ILM, a girl in a band reduced to being called a vag.

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, that FOTL song is ace. best track in this list so far.

m the g, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Man that song is boring.

iatee, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Man that song is boring.

boo to you, btw

xp: you too

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link

K3vin it's safe to come out from under the table now.

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link

there are a ton of trax showing up that i didn't vote for, off albums that i did vote for - i feel like this year's albums/trax crossover is going to be pretty large

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link

just like P&J?

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Haven't tried sharing a Grooveshark playlist before, but here goes:
http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/playlist/ILX+Tracks+2009/24472666

mike t-diva, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I think I've come around to the "'Islands' is better than 'Crystallised'" argument, although my favorite song on the album might be "Intro".

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link

i think the xx album is a darkhorse for #1 album

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i voted islands #4 but not crystallised

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

actually maybe a tossup between "Intro" and "Shelter"

there is so much fucking fantastic songcraft going on on that album, it's pretty stunning

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

xxp I'm calling it Fever Ray.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

It's certainly #1 for most boring and bland album. And I blame I Know Right for making me listen to it.

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

its weird, iv only voted for 1 thing on this but i could have voted for anything here pretty much so seems like a pretty good year so far

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

^ thats him

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

haha the only song my gf likes from this is "intro." it's a position i'm sympathetic to tho i don't agree.

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

*shakes fist*
xp

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

grooveshark thing is awesome

future of the left track is so rad

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

for gods sake man this album is totally good, u just hav a narrowly defined aesthetic i think

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

shocking revelation

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i made a decision abt a year ago that i liked all music and its working out pretty good so far btw

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Haven't tried sharing a Grooveshark playlist before, but here goes:
http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/playlist/ILX+Tracks+2009/24472666

Nice one, disappointingly so much of the chart is unavailable on spotify. Can't be doing with the youtube links.

Bing Crosby, are you listening? (Billy Dods), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

the xx sound (and look) like some local unsigned myspace band. soooo do not get the appeal of this beyond the fact that they apparently listen to a lot of 80s bands that ilm likes.

iatee, Monday, 1 February 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Haven't tried sharing a Grooveshark playlist before, but here goes:
http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/playlist/ILX+Tracks+2009/24472666

― mike t-diva, Monday, February 1, 2010 2:39 PM

It works for me. Thanks for sharing! The playlist has a nice eclectic flow to it.

free rental car and sushi with my girl at 7 (KMS), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i made a decision abt a year ago that i liked all music and its working out pretty good so far btw

― plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, February 1, 2010 2:47 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i almost feel like starting a new thread just to has out this statement but i dunno

I don't wear white jeans like the tight boys (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Please don't.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Good looks on the Grooveshark thing. Man, why have I avoided that Royksopp/Robin track all year?

maciej recognizing trill, Monday, 1 February 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

xp
Ha, liking all music from yr bedroom is ONE thing (tho still ultimately doomed)

ogmor, Monday, 1 February 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

stillness is the grooveshark; that thing is great!

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Zero > Heads Will Roll

Like EZ Snappin says, HWR roll is basically one good riff repeating itself, but unfortunately it reminds me too much of that horrible Orgy's cover of Blue Monday. Zero works for me on a very primitive level... it feels like Karen O is ripping your clothes off!

one boob is free with one (daavid), Monday, 1 February 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

16 -- Maxwell - Pretty Wings (13 votes, 161 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (14 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkPy4yq7EJo

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

to me "pretty wings" doesn't really scream SINGLE in the context of the album (not sure any one song does), but happy to see something place

een, Monday, 1 February 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i made a decision abt a year ago that i liked all music and its working out pretty good so far btw

― plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, February 1, 2010 2:47 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i almost feel like starting a new thread just to has out this statement but i dunno

― I don't wear white jeans like the tight boys (some dude), Monday, February 1, 2010 7:58 PM (28 minutes ago)

dont overthink it tbh its a state of mind

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i actually like "bad habits" better

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link

another one I voted for! I think that makes 4 now

really, really want to hear all these myspace bands that sound like the xx btw, lol @ that

xp it totally does feel like a single to me, plus you know it WAS one and charted and everything

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link

another one i didn't vote for, but voted for its parent album!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link

xp yeah and i'm glad that it's gonna be the only one place because this poll doesn't need a Fever Ray repeat, i was just saying it doesn't feel like an especially obvious choice for a single

een, Monday, 1 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I would kind of lol if the top 6 were the remaining tracks on the Fever Ray album

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

This had the highest average vote

15 -- Joy Orbison - Hyph Mngo (11 votes, 162.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (20 in P&J, 14 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsJVW5apRmY

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Much ah-do about nothing.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Nah, ace track actually <3

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

why do people like this song so much?

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

top 20 lookin good so far, but it's due to get boring any second now

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

YAY FOTL!

i think i was one of the #1 votes for that as well.

(speaking of which/broken record, musically if i could get a copy of my ballot, that would be great - if youve sent it already a bunch of times i will search my junk mail)

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

why do people like this song so much?

― call all destroyer, Monday, February 1, 2010 4:16 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark

i like it cause it's got a great floating quality and is great to listen to while biking, but in the context of dubstep i believe hyph mngo is a welcome step towards the effeminate and delicate in a genre that tends to be dominated by ugly bass riffs and the like.

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link

is that the last one for today?

every time i'm like "why the hell do ppl like this song so much?" i listen to it & remember how dope it is

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

btw everyone joy orbison the dude is fine as hell

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

it's very invigorating as far as dub step goes -- that "oooooooh" is a blood rush

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

(speaking of which/broken record, musically if i could get a copy of my ballot, that would be great - if youve sent it already a bunch of times i will search my junk mail)

Me too please. I sent you an email as you requested on the ballot discussion thread but if you replied I missed it. Thanks.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

otm - plus this branch of dubstep (more feminine, melodic, more open to house/techno/r&b) really developed strongly this year (guido and darkstar elsehwre in the poll, plus a host of others), and joy orbison was definitely the critical poster boy of the genre.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

honestly no idea if any of my actual votes will place now - reasonably confident in one of them, but it'd be a really nice surprise if any more r&b singles or female mc-driven funky/dancehall trax came up

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

I haven't sent any ballots back yet, I'll try to do them all tonight...

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

any MORE that is - already voted for crazy cousinz, guido and pill here.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks again Musically!

EZ Snappin, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

hyphy mango is fine but it is not the homerun of some of the joker/guido tracks. I even liked BEBA better. Can't hate on it though.

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

and i think cold or bad habits are both a little better than pretty wings, but not complaining.

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

if theyre both somewhere in the dubstep spectrum (i'm really not up on this stuff) i like the guido track much much more than hyph mngo

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

disappointed that joy orbison isn't a picture of roy orbison smokin' a j

I don't wear white jeans like the tight boys (some dude), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

every time i'm like "why the hell do ppl like this song so much?" i listen to it & remember how dope it is

― big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, February 1, 2010 9:25 PM (13 minutes ago)

dont think any of my votes r gonna place now which is weird bc i voted a lot of ilmfaves i thought but persp i guess

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

none of the youtube versions I've seen of Hyph Mngo include the slow build up at the beginning, with the banging sounds and distant crowd noises. It's that build up, with the successive sustained two-chord announcement, ecstatic vocals, and great bassline/percussion coming in one after the other that make this track such a rush for me

Dan S, Monday, 1 February 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

14 -- DJ Quik & Kurupt – 9X out of 10 (13 votes, 172 points) (67 in P&J, 33 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHe18yE2kXM

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

obv

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

final rap song right?

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

oh geez really?

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i hope not!

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

where we started at ended up and restart again get your mind in the right position before it start again cuz when it DROPS

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

idk what else would be left? xp

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Hm. Seems pretty low when you consider that it only got two more votes than Hey Playa.

Any chance of House of Flying Daggers showing up?

Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

"House of Flying Daggers" hasn't appeared yet...

Beat me to it! xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

and make a storm or make it rain make it hurricane
typhoons tycoons i assume delusions
illusions like mushrooms get it now or pretty soon
irradiated mushrooms'll irradiate entire rooms
go bananas baboons just STOP

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm a little afraid for House of Flying Daggers' chances, though...

Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

i voted for it i think, can't remember my ballot

ciderpress, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Any chance of House of Flying Daggers showing up?

― Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, February 1, 2010 4:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'm happy that we manged not to vote a 85th generation wu-tang single into the top 15 of a year end poll - of course i'll take the crow if it shows up but i'll already be drowning in my own tears

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

So... what's left overall?

My Girls
Stillness Is the Move
1901
Daniel
Two Weeks
Heads Will Roll
Lisztomania
Bad Romance
You Belong with Me
Fancy?
Surf Solar?
House of Flying Daggers?

Pretty sure about the first 9, reasonably sure about the last 3... and that leaves one missing from the top 13.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

is it really gonna be that predictable?

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i didn't think most of those had any real ilm concensus and the ppl who were reppin for them had higher priorities iirc

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Probably so! xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

probably, but i hope not -- i bet "you belong with me" wins

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Lemonade?

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

party in the usa

miguel, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Does Digidesign have any sort of traction here?

Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I think we'd better prepare to be disappointed how much consensus there is among P&J, Pfork, etc. and our poll. Groupthink is a very powerful thing and unfortunately, I can't see any of those first 9 tracks going top 10-20 in P&J/Pfork and then missing the top 50 of an ILM voter set that pays pretty consistent attention to those sites/polls, even if it's under the guise of bitching about them more often than not.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

was "party in the usa" even nom'd?

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

lemonade is a good call i think

zvookster, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm still amazed that the dirty projectors somehow became a consensus indie band, i kind of ignored them for a few years after mildly liking the "getty address" album despite its lack of traditional pop hooks or anything catchy that would suggest a breakout album to come

ciderpress, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Miley I can see getting left out.

"Digidesign" was on my ballot but it's not gonna place here. "Hyph Mngo" is pretty much the cutoff point for all things dubstep in 2009 polls, unfortunately.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't know about 'two weeks' and '1901' but otherwise those seem pretty unstoppable

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

bitte orca DNE getty address though xp

een, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

stephen's prognostication & analysis is probably right -- the only thing i could see happening here is a bit of inversion in the ordering, like "my girls" #9 and "you belong with me" at #1 or w/e

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah "two weeks" won't place here

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

YOUR GRIZZLY BEAR IS NOT WELCOME HERE

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

was "party in the usa" even nom'd?

My nomination. :)

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

"party in the usa" was nommed and i voted for it would really love to see it place.

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

oh god the top 10 is going to be the worst section of the entire list

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

gotta love spending half the weekend on some wild ESOM conversation arc only for it to pop up at next place

zvookster, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

there's a serious enough gucci contingent here where lemonade would not surprise me. I voted digidesign too! maybe there's hope.

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

is "birthday sex" a possibility?? or "he ain't wit me now (tho)"?

i have now given up hope on stush/shystie/ms dynamite/lady chann.

:(

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i think there's too much fracturing in the gucci vote for a single to get this high (fwiw i didn't even vote for "lemonade", of the three gucci trax i voted for)

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

what about "best i ever had"?

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

hardy lol if "hellhole ratrace" places

een, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

It would really really REALLY make my day if Grizzly Bear was shut out of this poll entirely. I can sorta see it being left out; the problem is what's still around to replace it, in that case... not much?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Either way, Veckatimest is a lock for the albums poll.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Hyph Mngo would prob have been my #1 had I been around for the votin. Glad to see it place.

Also hope the top 10 isn't shit like it seems to be headed. Why would anyone vote you belong with me? no hate on taylor but that song isn't great.

Captain Ahab, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

i agree fuck a Grizzly Bear

een, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

to each his own, man

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Ahab you are more nuts than the real ahab for that post

een, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

no jerk's gonna place

i deliberately didn't vote for trax off (most of) my favourite albums, in order to rep for trax with no albums - seems few other people took this course :(

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

would be really amazing if lemonade was the highest placing rap song, but i was expecting 9/10 to be like top 5 so.

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Why would anyone vote you belong with me? no hate on taylor but that song isn't great.

Dunno, I think she has much better songs... and that's saying a lot because come the fuck on, it's Taylor Swift. I'll echo Dan here, I enjoy my pop music just fine but Taylor really isn't that compelling, and even if you were to make such a case, "You Belong" isn't by any means her calling card #1 quality song.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

ilxor i think "russian roulette" is a possible addition to your list

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

In my dreams... that Rihanna album was so quickly forgotten by year's end, I highly doubt it will place.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I did vote for it myself, though!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

also didn't people not like 'russian roulette'

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I was hoping "The Fear" would chart. At this point, it seems unlikely :(

one boob is free with one (daavid), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

i neither disliked nor forgot rated r

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

also "you belong with me" isn't my favourite t-swift song - that would be "white horse", as recognised by the grammy committee - but it's definitely her most immediate.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't think there's enough groundswell behind "russian roulette" -- i think the album has a better chance of placing

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean, fav t-swift song off this album - think "tim mcgraw" might be my actual favourite of her whole discography

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

hey guys, what'd i miss so far?

the not-GAPDY one (Ioannis), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

it's definitely her most immediate.

I'd argue "Love Story," her best and most immediate single to my ears.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

hey guys, what'd i miss so far?

Nothing, you're just in time for the GAPDY placements!! ;)

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Rated R isn't bad but it was a bit of a disappointment after Good Girl Gone Bad.

one boob is free with one (daavid), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

"love story" is amazing -- my second fav song on that album is "breathe"

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

i really hope the taylor album places

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I was hoping "The Fear" would chart. At this point, it seems unlikely :(

I can't remember if I went with "The Fear" or "22," but I voted one of them (highly, I think).

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

in suspense

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Rated R isn't bad but it was a bit of a disappointment after Good Girl Gone Bad.

no way, streets ahead of GGGB!

"breathe" is incredible

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm pretty sure fearless will place so will save talking about why "breathe" is incredible for then

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm with lex, I think Rated R is the standout in her discography thus far. What it lacks (barely) in the immediate thrill of its singles, it more than makes up for with a strong set of tracks all around.

xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link

restart again get your mind in the right position before it start again cuz when it DROPS

zvookster, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link

the albums r gonna b less exciting than the singles id say but

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno if saying rihanna will never have a single like if its lovin that you want again a challop or not

plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

ha I think that's totally right on

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

She has gone to a very different place to where she was when that song was released and trying to go back would be an abject failure IMO (also I always liked "Pon De Replay" more anyway).

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

fave t-swift on fearless is kind of a tie for me between 'Hey Stephen' and 'You're Not Sorry'

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm happy that we manged not to vote a 85th generation wu-tang single into the top 15 of a year end poll - of course i'll take the crow if it shows up but i'll already be drowning in my own tears

― big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, February 1, 2010 5:13 PM (24 minutes ago)

needs to be said again

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

ppl not understanding why "you belong with me" is taylor's best and most immediate single are just...insane

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

i deliberately didn't vote for trax off (most of) my favourite albums, in order to rep for trax with no albums - seems few other people took this course :(

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, February 1, 2010 5:25 PM (25 minutes ago)

this is essentially what i did too - i could have just filled up my ballot with deep cuts from my favorite albums but that's like the lamest thing ever afaic

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

thirded; there's love enough to go around

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I think "White Horse" is my least favourite song on the T-Swift album (though that's a relative, it just makes the whole fairytale angle too straightforward.

For me it's like:

"Love Story" / "Hey Stephen" / "Forever & Always"

>>

"You Belong With Me" / "Breathe"

>>

"Fearless" / "Fifteen" / "The Best Day"

>>

"The Way I Loved You" / "Change" / "You're Not Sorry"

>>

"White Horse"

Am I forgetting anything?

Tim F, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Man, I always underestimate the amount of strategy required in voting in ILM polls. I think I decided to vote trax unordered - if the resultant point discrepancy pushed some of the pop/r'n'b I was repping for out of the top 50 in favour of unnecessary points for indie consensus picks, I will smack myself in the forehead. Repeatedly.

Alex in Montreal, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Have we had a Fearless poll yet? Because if not, it's overdue.

Alex in Montreal, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

A lot of those ">>" distinctions are fairly meaningless I have to admit, it took me a while to realise just how consistent an album it is.

Tim F, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Am I forgetting anything?

― Tim F, Monday, February 1, 2010 4:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

"tell me why" is underrated i think cuz it comes after the big stretch of opening bangers but i love the canned banjo & the whispery bridge

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

chorus is great as well

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

i think the "94 Ho Draft" skit that's recurring throughout is a little strained but worth including.

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah "Tell Me Why"! I'd put that in the "Fearless" / "Fifteen" / "Tell Me Why" block. Chorus is excellent, yes.

Tim F, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

it took me ages to even get to the second half of fearless because i had to play the first half on loop so much - it's just as strong though, i think i'd only drop "change"

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

haha that's exactly what happens to me every time i listen to it

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't even recognize half the songs tim named by name, my brain is so knocked flat by that initial run it's all just formless and i instantly disconnect

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 February 2010 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm happy that we manged not to vote a 85th generation wu-tang single into the top 15 of a year end poll - of course i'll take the crow if it shows up but i'll already be drowning in my own tears

You're so right. Better to save those top spots for the bland and inoffensive AOR and tween-pop.

Parenthetical Grillz, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I feel like I'm the only person in the world who can't see what's so amazing about Taylor Swift. Everything I've heard from her sounds like slightly above average country-pop (OK, "You Belong To Me" is pretty good)... Seriously, what is it?

one boob is free with one (daavid), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

would participate in a fearless poll btw

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Re "Tell Me Why", my favourite bit is the chorus where she sings "So here's to you and your temper - yes, I remember what you said last night!" Which simultaneously sounds totally spontaneous and in-conversation while also being so composed that it flows perfectly.

Tim F, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

There's a lot I like about Taylor but the first two things that come to mind is her fluency in the songwriting; everything is always done with such spectacular craftsmanship and pride in work. It's like when you see an antique chair from the 1890's and it's all handmade and properly planed and the joints are perfect.
I'm also always blown away by her ability to make everything sound honest and personal. plenty of singing is acting (MJ sure hadn't had a love that he wanted back that bad at that age) and Taylor's a great actor.

forksclovetofu, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link

daavid, you aren't the only one

zvincter (The Reverend), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link

For the new and old Guido/Joy Orbison/dubstep not dubstep fans:

http://www.thefader.com/2009/09/02/joy-orbison-mix-for-brooklyn-radio-with-unreleased-jams/
Download: Joy Orbison, Greenmoney Mix

* Dark Star – Aidy’s Girls A Computer – Hyperdub
* Zomby – Rumours and Revelations – Ramp
* Guido – Beautiful Complication – Punch Drunk
* Geeneus – Get Low – Dubplate
* Leo Greenmoney “Blast From The Past” Ms Dynamite – Dynamitee – Osunlade Remix – P Records
* Guest Mix: Joy Orbison Intro
* Shed – Warped Mind // Ostgut Ton
* DJ T – Dis // Get Physical
* Stush & Hard House Banton – We Nah Run (Sirens Riddim) // Unreleased
* Greena – Maracay // Forthcoming Applepips
* Ghosts On Tape – Predator Mode (Roska Remix) // Forthcoming Wireblock
* Joy Orbison – BRKLN CLLN // Forthcoming Doldrums
* Pearson Sound – Wad // Hessle Audio
* Shortstuff – A Rustling // Ramp
* Joy Orbison – The Shrew Would Have Cushioned The Blow // Unreleased
* Mount Kimbie – Sketch On Glass // Hotflush
* Strickly Dubz – Realise // Urban Dubz
* Joy Orbison – Tentative Bidding // Unreleased
* Joy Orbison – Wet Look // Hotflush
* One For The Money “Single Of The Week” Jack Beats – U.F.O – CDR

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I am mad impressed with her songwriting ability, to restate a positive thing I've said about her before that gets lost in the kerfluffle of how much I dislike her singing.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I was hoping "The Fear" would chart. At this point, it seems unlikely :(

― one boob is free with one (daavid), Monday, February 1, 2010 5:34 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark

I think it has a chance. As good of one as Miley, prob.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

tim and forks otm - i also love how she knows exactly when to raise the drama stakes and when to underplay a situation, so "i don't know how it gets better than this" is a perfect rush of joy on the title track, but then on "breathe" she just casually shrugs "people are people and sometimes we change our minds", and it's just devastating.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I think "Forever & Always" is often my favourite because of the zinginess of "...you said you loved me - WERE YOU JUST KIDDING?"

Tim F, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

#13?

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

been stuck in meetings, will just post the rest now

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

13 -- Phoenix - 1901 (15 votes, 175 points) (2 in P&J, 3 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rbGj4_qYgI

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

#12?

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

lol can you wait at least one minute?

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

haha i was joking, you're really gonna do the rest tonight?

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

12 -- Black Eyed Peas - I Gotta Feeling (13 votes, 176 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (19 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSD4vsh1zDA

musically, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, I really hope this doesn't displace Lisztomania (but if it doesn't, I'm glad Lisztomania will rank higher!) xxxp

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link

WAIT WUHT?! BLACK EYED PEAS AT #12?

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link

god i hate "i gotta feeling"

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

looooooooooool

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Monday, 1 February 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Alright, ghost voting block... come out now!

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 February 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link

11 -- The-Dream - Fancy (13 votes, 181.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (809 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43YsKtPajco

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

HOLY FUCK!

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

ok slow down imo!!

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link

ilx, i fucking love you.

lords of hyrule (c sharp major), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link

:D

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess this means 'boom boom pow' will also chart?

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link

yes i knew this would btw

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link

it is kinda way too awesome not to, waiting for this yrs happy house also

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ BEP

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link

well that's it for today anyway, just wanted to wrap it up...top 10 tomorrow morning!

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link

thx musically!

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm so glad that the one vote i used on a deep album cut paid off. i mean in all honesty "fancy" is prob song of the year.

apparently on youtube it's really frustrating because it cuts off just after the huge chord change segueing into "right side of my brain" - so get the album, folks.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link

as for the other two...i can hear why someone might like "1901" but not why anyone would get, like, really excited over it.

i'm really sick of BEPs as a group, none of their big hits this year were particularly special (though the others were at least ok), i really want another fergie solo album - that's where she and will.i.am had their best ideas. (i don't credit the other two w/having ideas.) i still have no idea why the "mazel tov" bit in this song is meant to be funny or entertaining.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess i'm happier at "fancy" placing than i thought i'd be - if it means no "my girls" or something then hell yes, i'm head over heels in love with the song anyway

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"fancy" that is

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"Fancy":

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Fancy/22162258
http://open.spotify.com/track/6y6ux0sI120utkpokkhdPf

Loving this one...

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link

wait til the last minute of it!

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link

the last 20 seconds!!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link

had I ordered my tracks, per initial list, there would've been three #1 votes for Fancy. lol.

Alex in Montreal, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, when the drums come in at the end of Fancy it's FUCKING MASSIVE. by holding off on a beat for 90% of the song, the payoff when it finally drops is that much greater.

Alex in Montreal, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Yikes--->BEP

Guess that makes any complaints about GAPDY or Taylor Swift moot though.

Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link

BEP? ILM yr dead to me

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link

fancy's always been the standout on that album from the first spin i think

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm still laughing at BEP placing so high.

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link

50 -- Royksopp feat. Robyn - The Girl and the Robot (8 votes, 88 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (380 in P&J, 68 in p4k)
49 -- Kid Cudi – Day ‘n’ Nite (10 votes, 88 points) (18 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
48 -- Animal Collective - Summertime Clothes (8 votes, 88.5 points) (50 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
47 -- Electrik Red - So Good (7 votes, 90 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
46 -- Memory Tapes - Bicycle (7 votes, 95 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (238 in P&J, 46 in p4k)
45 -- Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Hysteric (8 votes, 95.5 points) (237 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
44 -- Fever Ray - If I Had a Heart (9 votes, 97 points) (117 in P&J, 58 in p4k)
44 -- Basement Jaxx - Raindrops (9 votes, 97 points) (46 in P&J, 24 in p4k)
42 -- Guido - Way U Make Me Feel (8 votes, 97.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
41 -- Pill - Trap Goin Ham (8 votes, 97.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (128 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
40 -- Big Boi feat. Gucci Mane - Shine Blockas (9 votes, 98.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (22 in P&J, 7 in p4k)
39 -- Fever Ray - When I Grow Up (1 vote, 10.5 points for D. Lissvik Remix) (9 votes, 101.5 points) (97 in P&J, 36 in p4k)
38 -- Florence & the Machine - You Got the Love (Jamie xx Re-Work) (12 votes, 101.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
37 -- Lindstrøm & Prins Thomas - Tirsdagsjam (10 votes, 105.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
36 -- Gucci Mane ft. Plies - Wasted (11 votes, 105.5 points) (100 in P&J, 96 in p4k)
35 -- Crazy Cousinz - Inflation (8 votes, 106 points, 3 #1 vote/s) (455 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
34 -- Washed Out - Feel It All Around (10 votes, 106 points) (44 in P&J, 10 in p4k)
33 -- Bob Dylan - Must Be Santa (8 votes, 107 points) (132 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
32 -- Fuzzy Logic feat. Egypt - In The Morning (9 votes, 109 points) (1293 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
31 -- Fever Ray - Seven (3 votes, 23 points for Martyn's Seventh Remix) (11 votes, 111 points) (1601 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
30 -- DJ Quik & Kurupt - Hey Playa! (Moroccan Blues)(11 votes, 114 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (214 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
29 -- House of House - Rushing to Paradise (Walkin' These Streets) (11 votes, 114.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (148 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
28 -- Azari & III - Reckless With Your Love (9 votes, 116 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (481 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
27 -- Darkstar - Aidy's Girl Is A Computer (9 votes, 118.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (161 in P&J, 100 in p4k)
26 -- The-Dream - Rockin That Shit (9 votes, 122 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (120 in P&J, 90 in p4k)
25 -- Lady Gaga - Paparazzi (13 votes, 127.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (11 in P&J, 83 in p4k)
24 -- Lady Gaga - Poker Face (11 votes, 129 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (13 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
23 -- Girls - Lust for Life (12 votes, 131 points) (8 in P&J, 9 in p4k)
22 -- Jamie Foxx feat. T-Pain - Blame It (12 votes, 140.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (55 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
21 -- Taylor Swift - Love Story (10 votes, 141.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (177 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
20 -- Jay-Z feat. Alicia Keys - Empire State of Mind (13 votes, 144.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (1 in P&J, 44 in p4k)
19 -- Future Of The Left - Arming Eritrea (10 votes, 147 points, 3 #1 vote/s) (301 in P&J, 98 in p4k)
18 -- Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Zero (14 votes, 147.5 points) (6 in P&J, 6 in p4k)
17 -- The xx - Crystalised (11 votes, 157.5 points) (33 in P&J, 16 in p4k)
16 -- Maxwell - Pretty Wings (13 votes, 161 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (14 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
15 -- Joy Orbison - Hyph Mngo (11 votes, 162.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (20 in P&J, 14 in p4k)
14 -- DJ Quik & Kurupt – 9X out of 10 (13 votes, 172 points) (67 in P&J, 33 in p4k)
13 -- Phoenix - 1901 (15 votes, 175 points) (2 in P&J, 3 in p4k)
12 -- Black Eyed Peas - I Gotta Feeling (13 votes, 176 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (19 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
11 -- The-Dream - Fancy (13 votes, 181.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (809 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Blimey, those drums at the end of "Fancy"...!

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link

yes!

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link

1901 is great, and something I get really excited about.

Seriously, though, I Gotta Feeling????? Guys we need to talk about this.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Was there a Facebook group about BEP or something?

dog latin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link

for me I Gotta Feeling is like a James Cameron movie - cheesy and dramatic and formulaic almost to a fault but when you are listening you can't help but enjoy it.

Also - David Guetta is amazing

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

this is what the-dream said to me about making "fancy":

“It started out at three minutes, but I kept bringing it out to tweak it. It went to four minutes, then to five, then at the last minute I put in that last instalment. It was just a piano-driven record originally. We outsourced it to orchestra, and then I thought – this isn’t ghetto enough! So I started doing that lil’ rap thing at the end, and then I brought the beat on it...Just so I could destroy this perfect picture I had painted. Just because that’s what I do with everything. It’s like buying a new Benz and putting rims on it. Ain’t nothing wrong with the Benz, there’s no need for new rims, but I’m just like – put ‘em on there, put ‘em on there! Just cuz I can. Just – cuz – I - can.”

it also sounds to me like a retelling of the story in this song from a different perspective (it isn't, i asked him about this).

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

that's an amazing quote

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link

<4 when those drums come back in at the end of fancy <4

― Plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, March 6, 2009 8:45 AM (10 months ago)

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link

that guy is a fucking moron, no more plz k thx

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Guess I should've ranked my ballot. Would've pushed Quik & Kurupt ahead of BEP at the very least.

Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"outsourcing" to an orchestra

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:24 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i inflated all these tokens to get them into the top fifty but i woulda been happier pushing fancy into the top ten

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Yup. And the songs I wanted to give the extra bump to would've ended up Top 50 anyway.

Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

There's only one song on this list that I actively dislike: "Lust For Life". Just don't get the appeal at all. Other than that: best 2009 list ever!

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I voted Right Side of My Brain, because Fancy-->Brain is fuxxing epic. Can't complain if Fancy was the one that made it.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Just realised I don't think I voted for any of the songs in this list, so far at least.

dog latin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, for the most part I think this is a really good list. BEP at #12 is some troll shit, though.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:28 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost Maybe Hyph Mngo...

dog latin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link

shakey mo collier: officially more intelligent than the-dream

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Susan Boyle for the top 10 then?

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link

i assumed he was talking abt david guetta

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link

it's an amazing list - just a handful of trax i dislike or don't care about - soooo much better than any other i've seen. have to say i fear the top 10 though :/

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Not that it's that much of a problem, but this list is incredibly scant of rock music. I guess that does happen in tracks polls though.

dog latin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Future of the Left rocks so hard it makes up for about 10 positions.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link

i voted way more rock in my albums than trax

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Not that it's that much of a problem, but this list is incredibly scant of rock music. I guess that does happen in tracks polls though.

― dog latin, Monday, February 1, 2010 7:33 PM (1 minute ago)

you're gonna love the top 10!

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link

most gutted birthday sex wont b here

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link

xxxpost Good point, that track sounds like it means so much more business than pretty much anything else out at the moment.

dog latin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link

i voted 5 rock albums and 3 or 4 rock traxx, depends how we're defining rock here

xp otm plax

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link

it is kinda way too awesome not to, waiting for this yrs happy house also

this would be I Will Come Back in my head, amazed it hasn't shown up but no way it will make the top 10. dunno what else fits the tag, Spaghetti Circus?

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link

hmm "fancy" made no.11 on the poptimists list as well, and BEP just below it. odd ILM/poptimist mindmeld - I guess we can expect Ra Ra Ah Ah Ah at no.1

danzig, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link

that would be cool

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

odd?
xp

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Fancy/Rockin That Shit being the 2 dream picks seem very odd to me. They are the two least memorable songs on the album.

--

Ok, in the process of writing that and many people posting before I could submit, I've put on Fancy and forgot how much I <3 it.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

xp - poptimist list also had no trace whatsoever of anco!

danzig, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Snobtimists!

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link

it is kinda way too awesome not to, waiting for this yrs happy house also

this would be I Will Come Back in my head, amazed it hasn't shown up but no way it will make the top 10. dunno what else fits the tag, Spaghetti Circus?

― see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 12:38 AM (1 minute ago)

these r my 5 and 6 fwiw

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Lex otm (!): "White Horse" is the best song on Fearless.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link

for me I Gotta Feeling is like a James Cameron movie - cheesy and dramatic and formulaic almost to a fault but when you are listening you can't help but enjoy it.

Friend posted on Facebook the other day: "...welcomes with resignation and warmth 'I Gotta Feeling' into its inevitable place in the sports/graduation/orientation/wedding-reception/supermarket canon for likely the rest of our lives."

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Our Song and Tim McGraw are my favourites and I heard Fearless first

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:45 (fourteen years ago) link

'spaghetti circus' would be more than welcome in the top ten imo

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link

tim mcgraw is her most subtle and ambiguous song i think

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link

know it's repped enough everywhere but 'Daniel' really deserves a spot on this list.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, i wasn't that sold on spaghetti circus until it became my number one running track and then I saw james murphy dj at a festival and i was just waiting for him to drop it and shit is like a juggernaut with enough sweaty bodies

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't even know what "Spaghetti Circus" was until about two minutes ago, but I definitely would've tossed it a vote if I'd heard it sooner.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link

as far as '09 Guetta goes "When Love Takes Over" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I Gotta Feeling"

zvincter (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:49 (fourteen years ago) link

that seems abt right, but then i like sexy chick

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I have trouble hearing why Yeah Yeah Yeahs are so different from other indie rock that receives a lot of hate here (but too put off by the vocals to want to listen for anything anyone has mentioned as explanation).

Joy Orbison - I guess you have to really be into dance music to understand why this is great.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm really into dance music and don't really get the fuss over that track

jabba hands, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:55 (fourteen years ago) link

One reason I'm not a bigger fan of Taylor Swift is I'm not really all that into the sound of her music. But the songwriting has an undeniable emotional punch for me much of the time; and I have to admit she is an example of music in which the lyrics, and the relationship between the lyrics and the delivery, end up being a big part of what I like.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I have trouble hearing why Yeah Yeah Yeahs are so different from other indie rock that receives a lot of hate here (but too put off by the vocals to want to listen for anything anyone has mentioned as explanation).

I think it might be because they dont have the usual whiney bloke singer the others get accused of.

Still don't see the fuss myself.

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 00:58 (fourteen years ago) link

c-c-c-confusing!

ogmor, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:07 (fourteen years ago) link

i possibly would have voted for "i gotta feeling". it's the sound of getting ready and the sound of being out all in one! fair enough if you are sick of its ubiquity, but lol @ the scottpl "that's not real music" types

the the-dream is totally gorgeous

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link

No, it's real music. BEP are very good at what they do. But Will.I.Am is so thoroughly hateable that it colors my feelings about them, and makes me realize why some people hate Bono.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:12 (fourteen years ago) link

ppl enjoying black eyed peas in a fit of bad faith is not confusing.

ogmor, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I like "Boom Boom Pow" (and a few other BEP singles) but "I Gotta Feeling" is such dreck.

zvincter (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

it's "the heart of saturday night" that actually sounds like saturday night, and if not your saturday night, at least that of like dozens and dozens of people you've known and you love, can't front on that, and if that isn't so, you need to leave the dorm or the bedsit and mingle a bit imo

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean i can really relate to the excitement and the joy of it

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I've actually heard that BEP song before (I manage to be very out of touch, so this is news), but I didn't know it was them. I'm kind of sick of it, without hating it per se.

I sort of listened to "Zero" and okay, it is fairly poppy in a way, but for me the vocals just kill it.

I was kind of hoping Miranda Lambert's "White Liar" would make the listen somewhere. It's certainly more memorable than something like "1901." (Of course I mostly ignore country like most of you so feel hypocritical on this one, but still I think the song deserves more of a crossover audience.)

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link

It's certainly more memorable than something like "1901."

Not if you watch television.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Why was 1901 all over the place?

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

(because I don't)

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Cadillac commercials that come on about 4 times an hour on every network.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:21 (fourteen years ago) link

xp to rev
yeah I gotta feeling is worse for being an incredible lowpoint in their career where they have jettisoned their charm and replaced it w/ a huge slab of generic 'sentiment'.

ogmor, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link

when love takes over is out and out euphoria, this is a cheap night with cheap joeks that's still a really really profoundly good night to get you through the week

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link

i like this song for the same reason i like by the way by red hot chilli peppers btw

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Xgau:

The E.N.D. [Interscope, 2009]

How dare people call this wondrous album--actual quotes, now--"insipid," "saccharine," "clumsy"? Only I don't mean people--I mean journalists professional and self-appointed, from rockist sourpusses to keepers of the hip-hop flame. Just plain people love it--love it so much that various of its tracks topped the pop charts nonstop for the entire summer. "Party All the Time" is no more a recipe for living than is instant Wi-Fi for all, the message of the supposedly "political" "Now Generation." But in a party anthem it's the definition of intelligence. Sampling classic rap rapaciously and as cool with Auto-Tune as with getting their drunk on, they party beginning to end, which as it happens is a far rarer achievement than signifying beginning to end. Maybe this album is dumb on the surface, though not as much as fools claim. But sure as showbiz it isn't dumb underneath.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm kind of crushing on kelly rowland tho

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link

1901 being everywhere hasn't ruined it for me. Strong stuff.

it's "the heart of saturday night" that actually sounds like saturday night, and if not your saturday night, at least that of like dozens and dozens of people you've known and you love, can't front on that, and if that isn't so, you need to leave the dorm or the bedsit and mingle a bit imo

I can totally front on that. It's one of the really grating things about it.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link

also can't stand Boom Boom Pow, though mostly because of Fergie's "People in the place..." bit.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't like anything. :(

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link

how so, gubke?

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link

it's "the heart of saturday night" that actually sounds like saturday night, and if not your saturday night, at least that of like dozens and dozens of people you've known and you love, can't front on that, and if that isn't so, you need to leave the dorm or the bedsit and mingle a bit imo

― zvookster, Monday, February 1, 2010 5:16 PM Bookmark

Oh, sure, I get why people like it. I just find that it plays its hand too openly. It kinda has the same problem described in the "100 great things about 'Ignition'" thread about why "Working for the Weekend" isn't a good weekend song. (And can we not take the "If you don't like this, you must not get out much" line? Nice strawman there.)

zvincter (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:34 (fourteen years ago) link

wasn't aimed at you, and was actually a softening of a "you hate the working class" line :D

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I could have imagined xgaus insights there just fine w/ out him having to actually write them down.

IK,R, how many reasons do you need now that yr liking all music? I was thinking maybe it'd work out more economical in the long run, that you would end up w/ a few more general reasons. I'm barely taking the piss, maybe it could fuel a thread - I think it hits something pretty interesting and reveals something about how some ppl are listening.

ogmor, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link

do you feel it's kind of manipulative and bossy, like superobvious john williams style strings in a movie soumdtrack? xp

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Joy Orbison - I guess you have to really be into dance music to understand why this is great.

― _Rudipherous_, Monday, February 1, 2010 7:52 PM (22 minutes ago)

i'm really into dance music and don't really get the fuss over that track

― jabba hands, Monday, February 1, 2010 7:55 PM (20 minutes ago)

same here, i mean it sounds nice, but i really don't get what makes it such a breakout track. but i guess i feel that way about a whole lot of dubstep and dubstep-not-dubstep-crossover type stuff, though. it just doesn't cohere for me the way that techno and house do, the structure of the beat doesn't click in the same satisfying way, it lacks the infinite/hypnotic feel that connects techno and house to disco and kraut for me. i wish these dubstep/not-dubstep producers would more often just go with the 4x4 a la Burial/Four Tet's Moth (speaking of which, i guess its not showing up here.)

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:46 (fourteen years ago) link

moth is a house party heard thru a wall

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Close to what the Rev said. It feels engineered for that one purpose, which in turn makes it feel forced. You can plan all you want, but a really great night out just happens. 'Lahyme' makes me laugh tho.

Also, Working for the Weekend has that great synth, so I can get with that song.

xposts

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

oh god "Moth" isn't going to make this list. should have placed it higher on my ballot. one of the non-album trax that should be preserved on this list for generations to look back on and discover.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:51 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah a lot of times people actually do have to force it though, the prospect of staying in or a glum night is a non-starter, for instance if you don't go on nice vacations, or have good tv, or something in between, the weekend's gone and it's a two week grind not a one week one and that can break you down. anyone buying this at all?

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno, i like it.

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

kind of think that if someone needs 'I gotta feeling' to get excited about going out, they're the ones that need to be mingling with people

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link

ice cold

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link

will give you that it works well in that 2009 mix that kicked off this thread.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link

tru.dat

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm all for people with shitty jobs going nuts to a fun pop song on saturday nights, i'd just prefer it were a less grating song. also i don't associate 'i got a feeling' with blue collar normal folk as much as i do popped collar leather shoed douchebags.

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link

fuck this class shit imo. keep that in the VW thread.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:07 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^

I don't wear white jeans like the tight boys (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link

btw "i gotta feeling" was in my top 10 y'all suck it

I don't wear white jeans like the tight boys (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link

do you feel it's kind of manipulative and bossy, like superobvious john williams style strings in a movie soumdtrack? xp

― zvookster, Monday, February 1, 2010 5:42 PM Bookmark

yeah, exactly, but more annoying than that

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I no longer care for this list now that "I Gotta Feeling" was named the 12th best song of 2009.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link

fancy at #11!!! this was awesome news to come home to

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't think i've ever heard i gotta feeling. i'll check now.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link

can't believe you have internet access under that rock you've been living under

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link

nope, i had never heard that. and christ on a stick is it awful.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:54 (fourteen years ago) link

goddammit can people not pull the fucking "how could you possibly avoid mainstream song x" thing on me?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:54 (fourteen years ago) link

well dude not only was it the #1 song in the country for like 3 years, it's in every commercial

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link

don't know what to tell you man, i watch my share of tv and i've never heard that song in my life.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:56 (fourteen years ago) link

it's funny because except for stuff from england i've known the vast majority of this poll so far!

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link

PTSD

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah this is like the opposite of last year where i didn't know half of the picks

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link

MUSICALLY: can you email my ballot?

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Yo P&J, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish, but ILX had the greatest 2009 poll of all time! All time!

This was feasible up until #12.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Man - it's still better than pretty much every other 2009 poll I've seen. One BEP track does not scupper the entire thing. Like...better this than 20 trax of glo-fi and chillwave.

Alex in Montreal, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link

hilarious when the indie people act like the big dumb pop hit pissed in their pool and now they can't enjoy any of it

I don't wear white jeans like the tight boys (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link

chill-fi & glowave

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link

it hardly ruins anything, tho i wld be curious to hear from people who voted for it about its good qualities

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i'm no fan of the BEP or that song but getting upset over its placement is dumb on a few levels

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Indeed! Especially when it's really not as awful as everyone's making it out to be.

I mean, is Boom Boom Pow the weirder and better BEP track of the year? Probably. Was I Gotta Feeling a totally ubiquitous presence any time I was drunk and in a club this summer? Totally. Unavoidable, and once it beat you into submission, sort of awesome.

NB: I didn't vote for it, but I have discovered that mysterious zone of inebriation and sleep-deprivation wherein it suddenly becomes AMAZING.

Alex in Montreal, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link

TS: Lust for Life v I Gotta Feeling

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:15 (fourteen years ago) link

In that ever-so-dire predicament, I'd go BEP.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link

imo "I Gotta Feeling" just has a very effective combination of wistful and celebratory, it feels like summer, and the way the drums never seem to get going like they seem like they're gonna, and eventually get overpowered by the vocals, creates an interesting dynamic. calling it 'manipulative' only makes any sense if you think that other fun or moving songs just happen by accident and there's no intentional pulling of strings on the part of the songwriter.

I don't wear white jeans like the tight boys (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:19 (fourteen years ago) link

the idea that "i gotta feeling" is somehow more poisonous to this list than fucking "empire state of mind" is crazy -- at least one is open about its shamelessness and is better because of it

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:24 (fourteen years ago) link

xp sure, but the difference is that in this case, I can see the strings

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:24 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, I hadn't thought about it that way, but both those songs have the same effect

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Feel like we should have a thread on the relationship between catchiness and annoying-obnoxiousness in current pop music. It seems like there's been a lot of singles in the past twelve months or so which some people love immediately and some people hate immediately, but a decent proportion of people in the second category grow to love it, while perhaps an equal number of people in the first category get sick of it - e.g.

"I Gotta Feeling"
"Party In The USA"
"Poker Face"
"Hot 'n' Cold"?

I guess "Tik Tok" falls into this category but it's too soon to know whether people will come around to it in the future.

Obv a big unifying factor is this big, brash, perhaps kinda grating electro-pop production.

Was it ever thus? It feels like a heightened trend at the moment. I would assume it was a case of "lol u old" (as applied to me) but I actually like or don't mind a fair amount of these tunes.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a song that sounds better in the moment -- it's a big ass stadium song that you have to submit too -- i didn't really like it the first few times i heard it, but the "tonight's gonna be a good night" part is undeniable no matter how corny it is

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link

xp: I haven't at any point liked any of those songs.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i like all the songs tom lists except for "hot n cold" because it's so brittle & flimsy and doesn't have... a world beating, submissive quality that i think the other three have

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess there's vapid and then there's exceptionally vapid.....like, i don't care if ppl sell their songs for commercials but you shouldn't write with that goal in mind

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:28 (fourteen years ago) link

haha i dont really like any of those songs but i'd rank them "i gotta feeling" > "party" = "h&c" > "poker face" > "tik tok"

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link

I've come around to Tik Tok, Poker Face, and Hot 'n' Cold, but can't get there with Party or I Gotta Feeling...and part of it has to do with being annoyed for extra-musical reasons with Will.I.Am and Miley Cyrus. If someone else were singing those songs, I could conceivably be a-okay with them.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess there's vapid and then there's exceptionally vapid.....like, i don't care if ppl sell their songs for commercials but you shouldn't write with that goal in mind

― call all destroyer, Monday, February 1, 2010 7:28 PM Bookmark

this goes for phoenix, too

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean, i don't think it's an undeniable song like other big pop songs of the year (i don't even like it half as much as "boom boom pow" which i voted in my top 8 iirc) but i mean to absolve yourself of this good & eclectic list because of it is kind of crazy imo

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't think writing a song that could be catchy enough & desirable enough for a commercial is a bad thing at all

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:31 (fourteen years ago) link

the idea that "i gotta feeling" is somehow more poisonous to this list than fucking "empire state of mind" is crazy -- at least one is open about its shamelessness and is better because of it

― big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, February 1, 2010 10:24 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm i was happy ESoM was as relatively low as it was

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link

xp: I was just putting in a cheap swipe where I could.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:34 (fourteen years ago) link

My problem here is that I bascically hate

big, brash, perhaps kinda grating electro-pop production

except maybe in its more bass-y and/or hiphop-driven variants, in which category I would include "Boom Boom Pow".

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:35 (fourteen years ago) link

That whole trend is about 90% of why mainstream pop is currently awful imo.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:36 (fourteen years ago) link

this goes for phoenix, too

― The Reverend, Monday, February 1, 2010 10:30 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'd say this is solved by the lyrical diff between "i gotta a feeling it's gonna be a good night" or whatever and "fold it fold it fold it"

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:39 (fourteen years ago) link

wait until the fabric softener ad

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link

i think "one day" might make the top ten. i can't remember if i voted for it or if it was nommed but i(t) should've.

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link

goddammit can people not pull the fucking "how could you possibly avoid mainstream song x" thing on me?

I know but I don't watch TV, hardly listened to the radio at all in 2009, and never go out to do anything fun any more, but I still heard this song, repeatedly (probably while eating out or shopping).

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i think "one day" might make the top ten. i can't remember if i voted for it or if it was nommed but i(t) should've.

― samosa gibreel, Monday, February 1, 2010 10:00 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

word. this was in my top 5 & i totally forgot about it. it could get up there bcuz of votes for the surkin rmx

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link

When did ILM regress from pro-pop to anti-pop? Post-pro-pop-guilt?

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link

rudipherous you must lead a charmed life my dude

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link

don't think anti-gotta feeling = anti-pop. that would be like anti-taco bell=anti-food.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not anti-pop, I just want better pop.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim F, i don't like any of those other songs, except "Hot 'n' Cold" which i don't know, so i don't fit with that theory. Might not hate them as much as others, possibly, judging by what we've seen!

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:52 (fourteen years ago) link

'i gotta feeling' on snl
watching this made me feel very alex in nyc D:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Y_E6YmFE0

bnw, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:57 (fourteen years ago) link

they are the uncoolest people in the universe

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

does that mean you're posting something worse than the single, so you can hate even more?

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

CHALLOPS OF ALL CHALLOPS:

"I Gotta Feelin" (almost) = "One More Time"

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:10 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha good challops

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Stevred Shastoto, Lord of Challops

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:11 (fourteen years ago) link

serious tho, throw Romanthy on there instead of will.i.am, it's not a stretch.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Jody Rosen summed up why "I Gotta Feeling" resonates for me beyond its ubiquity in one of his posts to Slate's Music Club end-of-the-year roundup for 2009:

Listen to the lines Fergie sings: "I feel stressed out/ I won't let it go/ Let's go way out/ Spaced out/ And losing all control." Listen, also, to the plaintive "woo-hoo" refrain, to the foreboding synthesizer strings, to the minor chords that give a somber downward tug to that second "Tonight's gonna be a good night" in the chorus. If John Rich's "Shuttin' Detroit Down" and Cam'Ron's "My Job" are this Great Recession's equivalent of the Great Depression's dustbowl protest anthems, then "I Gotta Feeling" is our dark, grand "Let's Face the Music and Dance"—a song about partying to forget about the ruins outside the dancehall.

http://www.slate.com/id/2237677/entry/2238149/

Lady Gaga's hipster pass...in my pants (KMS), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link

i love how it seems like every time someone admits to liking/loving something deemed unworthy by general consensus there's a groundswell of likeminded guilty pleasures making themselves known, which then just snowballs til next thing you know 'i gotta feelin' = 'one more time'

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link

you got a ways to go if you want me to buy into the ruins and Great Depression of "fill up my car -- Mazel Tov!"

bnw, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I always assumed it was "fill up my cup -- Mazel Tov!"?? The other doesn't make sense surely??

Tim F, i don't like any of those other songs, except "Hot 'n' Cold" which i don't know, so i don't fit with that theory. Might not hate them as much as others, possibly, judging by what we've seen!

My theory isn't that people either love all these songs or hate all of them; rather, that their catchiness is intimately related to their obnoxiousness/annoyingness, such that while people usually come down hard on one side of the fence or the other they often change their mind later. If anything I would expect that everyone disagrees on which are good and which are bad - unless you hate obnoxiousness-in-pop per se, which is foolish.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:36 (fourteen years ago) link

fancy is only my second vote that made it!
yay for ilx dream bloc!

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:39 (fourteen years ago) link

i thought he just got the phrase wrong! anyway that review makes me dislike the song even b/c it falls so short of the high literature the reviewer is spinning.

bnw, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:44 (fourteen years ago) link

on the "obnoxious" pop song, i definitely find that songs that seem unbearable during their initial go-round sometimes strike me more favorably a year or two or five later -- when they've faded from ubiquity and i realize (usually reluctantly) that even while consciously hating them i was unconsciously absorbing them through massive exposure and now they light up my neural pathways even if i don't want them to. it almost seems like a biological response to me, but the net result is that i end up "liking" something that i used to "hate."

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:50 (fourteen years ago) link

(that may eventually prove true of "i gotta feeling," but it's too soon to say. i'm still in resistance mode.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:51 (fourteen years ago) link

So I forgot to post this with "1901" so here is a blurb:

If Game Theory’s Scott Miller was correct, and all power-pop essentially wants to shout “Hey!” at you, then Phoenix’s “heyheyheyheyhey” refrain on "1901" is crystal clear about its roots in pop past. Like their pals in Daft Punk, Phoenix does a nice job dressing classic pop in new threads and giving her tasteful cosmetic surgery.

As a side story, it’s widely known that when the Strokes first heard “1901” they were in the studio recording their fourth album, and when the song finished one member (who shall be unnamed) sat down, facepalmed, cried and then, regaining his composure, told the other members “so this was the song we've been trying to write since 2002…” [citation needed] -Cunga

sorry :P

btw if you emailed me asking for your ballot I should have emailed it to you, please EMAIL me if you need it and haven't received it yet, I can barely keep track of the posts here already...

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:57 (fourteen years ago) link

GUYS

is love vs. money going to win this poll?

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:30 (fourteen years ago) link

got my vote

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:31 (fourteen years ago) link

me 2

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:34 (fourteen years ago) link

hey forks, if the-dream doesn't win, can you just use mod powers to change the posts?

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I just went back and ogled the 2008 list, and it seems like it happened A MILLION YEARS AGO.

50 - Flo Rida - Low (69.5 points, 7 votes)
49 - Air France - No Excuses (70 points, 5 votes, 1 #1 vote)
48 - Kleerup Feat. Lykke Li - Until We Bleed (73.5 points, 7 votes; 3 votes, 29.5 points for Mikael's Cello Version)
47 - Kelley Polar - Entropy Reigns (In The Celestial City) (74 points, 7 votes)
46 - The Bug - Poison Dart feat. Warrior Queen (75.5 points, 7 votes)
45 - Katy Perry - Hot N Cold (76 points, 7 votes)
44 - Crazy Cousinz - Bongo Jam (77 points, 6 votes)
43 - MGMT - Kids (82 points, 9 votes)
42 - TV On The Radio - Family Tree (83 points, 6 votes)
41 - T.I. - No Matter What (83.5 points, 5 votes, 1 #1 vote, )
40 - Cassie - Official Girl (83.5 points, 6 votes, 2 #1 votes)
39 - Matias Aguayo - Minimal (84 points, 7 votes, 4 votes; 51.5 points for DJ Koze Maxi Version)
38 - Half Man Half Biscuit - National Shite Day (86 points, 6 votes, 1 #1 vote)
37 - Lil Wayne - Got Money (Ft. T-Pain) (90.5 points, 7 votes)
36 - Ting Tings, The - That's Not My Name (91.5 points, 8 votes)
35 - Rihanna - Disturbia (92 points, 9 votes)
34 - Lil Wayne feat. Static Major - Lollipop (94 points, 8 votes)
33 - Lindstrøm - The Long Way Home (97 points, 10 votes; 3 votes, 23 points for Prins Thomas Edit)
32 - Goldfrapp - A & E (98 points, 9 votes, 1 #1 vote)
31 - Ne-Yo - Closer (98.5 points, 10 votes)
30 - Deerhunter - Nothing Ever Happened (101.5 points, 10 votes)
29 - Gang Gang Dance - House Jam (102.5 points, 8 votes)
28 - Fleet Foxes - White Winter Hymnal (106 points, 8 votes)
27 - Alphabeat - Fascination (111 points, 7 votes, 2 #1 votes)
26 - Ida Maria - Oh My God (116 points, 9 votes, 1 #1 vote)
25 - Erykah Badu - The Healer (117 points, 9 votes, 1 #1 vote)
24 - Beyonce - Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It) (120.5 points, 12 votes)
23 - Vampire Weekend - A-Punk (121 points, 11 votes)
22 - T.I. Feat. Rihanna - Live Your Life (123.5 points, 10 votes)
21 - Air France - Collapsing At Your Doorstep (135 points, 13 votes, 1 #1 vote)
20 - Jordin Sparks And Chris Brown - No Air (139 points, 11 votes, 1 #1 vote)
19 - Grace Jones - Williams' Blood (142 points, 12 votes, 1 #1 vote; 7 votes, 81.5 points for Aeroplane Remix)
18 - M83 - Kim & Jessie (142.5 points, 13 votes, 1 #1 vote)
17 - Kanye West - Love Lockdown (144 points, 12 votes)
16 - Hot Chip - Ready For The Floor (144.5 points, 11 votes, 1 #1 vote)
15 - MGMT - Electric Feel (151 points, 12 votes; 2 votes, 27.5 points for Aeroplane Remix)
14 - Aeroplane feat. Kathy Diamond - Whispers (158 points, 13 votes, 1 #1 vote)
13 - Cut Copy - Hearts On Fire (161.5 points, 16 votes)
12 - Santogold - L.E.S. Artistes (171.5 points, 15 votes)
11 - Portishead - Machine Gun (173 points, 16 votes, 1 #1 vote)
10 - Young Jeezy Ft. Kanye West - Put On (174.5 points, 15 votes)
9 - Wiley - Wearing My Rolex (187.5 points, 16 votes, 1 #1 vote)
8 - MGMT - Time To Pretend (203 points, 15 votes, 3 #1 votes)
7 - Lil Wayne - A Milli (203.5 points, 19 votes, 1 #1 vote)
6 - Estelle Feat. Kanye West - American Boy (209.5 points, 19 votes, 1 #1 vote)
5 - Portishead - The Rip (214.5 points, 16 votes, 1 #1 vote)
4 - Friendly Fires - Paris (236.5 points, 20 votes; 14 votes, 163.5 points for Aeroplane Remix feat. Au Revoire Simone; highest placer without a 1st place vote)
3 - MIA - Paper Planes (253.5 points, 22 votes, 2 #1 votes; 6 votes, 48 points for DFA Remix)
2 - Juan Maclean, The - Happy House (314 points, 22 votes, 8 #1 votes)
1 - Hercules & Love Affair - Blind (322.5 points, 31 votes, 1 #1 vote; 6 votes, 42 points for Frankie Knuckles Remix)

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:41 (fourteen years ago) link

that doesn't look too far off the demographics of this list

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:43 (fourteen years ago) link

pretty good list

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Still hate "Blind," though. : /

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:45 (fourteen years ago) link

love vs money was high on my ballot too

guys I want to thank all of you...this thread has been hugely entertaining!

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:46 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, "blind" is... good but i don't think it's epic like that. i like "athena" and "hercules theme" better at least

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:47 (fourteen years ago) link

how did we vote those two ti singles and not "whatever you like"?? and wtf @ beyonce that low. aight list tho

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:50 (fourteen years ago) link

"Blind" is good, but the Frankie Knuckles remix is perfect.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:51 (fourteen years ago) link

This list so far is about half-stocked with stuff I never heard before this week. Some of it I really like (Guido, DJ Quik & Kurupt) and some of it I never want to hear again (House of House). So, good job ILM voting people.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 29, 2010 3:56 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark

I didn't even know what "Spaghetti Circus" was until about two minutes ago, but I definitely would've tossed it a vote if I'd heard it sooner.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, February 1, 2010 4:48 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

liv spencer is in both still going and house of house, and they mine a fairly similar aesthetic. hard to imagine loving one and hating the other! what didn't you like about rushin' to paradise?

psychgawsple, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Beyonce would have been higher if the list had been done later. It hadn't quite achieved ubiquity yet. People (including myself), were still coming around to it at that time.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:52 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah true

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think I posted lists for 2007 and 2006 DAMN can't believe I have been doing this since 2006! Good old days when 2 votes got you in the top 50, nice to see that's changed at least.

Blast from the past, 2007 trax

50. M.I.A. - Jimmy (58 points, 5 votes)
49. Aly & AJ - Potential Breakup Song (58 points, 5 votes, 1 number one vote)
48. Jens Lekman - The Opposite Of Hallelujah (61 points, 5 votes, 1 number one vote)
47. Los Campesinos! - You! Me! Dancing! (61 points, 7 votes)
46. Malcolm Middleton - We're All Going To Die (62 points, 5 votes)
45. Björk - Earth Intruders (62 points, 6 votes)
44. Low - Murderer (64 points, 5 votes)
43. Kanye West - Stronger (67 points, 5 votes)
42. Von Südenfed - The Rhinohead (68 points, 6 votes, 2 number ones, + 1 vote for Pilooski Remix)
41. Rich Boy - Throw Some D's (69 points, 5 votes)
40. Chromatics - Running Up That Hill (69 points, 6 votes)
39. M.I.A. - Boyz (69 points, 7 votes)
38. National - Fake Empire (69 points, 8 votes)
37. Feist - My Moon My Man (72 points, 5 votes + 2 for Boyz Noize Remix)
36. Spoon - The Underdog (72 points, 6 votes, 1 number one)
35. Groove Armada - Song 4 Mutya (73 points, 7 votes)
34. Radiohead - Reckoner (74 points, 6 votes)
33. Lil' Mama - Lip Gloss (75 points, 6 votes)
32. White Stripes - Icky Thump (79 points, 8 votes)
31. Roisin Murphy - Overpowered (79 points, 10 votes)
30. LCD Soundsystem - Get Innocuous (82 points, 8 votes)
29. Britney Spears - Piece Of Me (83 points, 7 votes, 1 number one)
28. Gwen Stefani Ft Akon - The Sweet Escape (84 points, 6 votes, 1 number one)
27. Radiohead - 15 Step (84 points, 8 votes)
26. Studio - Out There (87 points, 9 votes, 1 number one)
25. Justin Timberlake - What Goes Around... Comes Around (88 points, 8 votes)
24. Avril Lavigne - Girlfriend (90 points, 7 votes, 1 number one)
23. Gui Boratto - Beautiful Life (90 points, 10 votes)
22. Spoon - You Got Yr Cherry Bomb (91 points, 10 votes)
21. Of Montreal - The Past Is A Grotesque Animal (93 points, 10 votes)
20. Timbaland - The Way I Are (93 points, 12 votes)
19. Kylie Minogue - 2 Hearts (& Studio Version) (96 points, 8 votes)
18. Caribou - Melody Day (99 points, 9 votes)
17. Panda Bear - Bros (104 points, 12 votes)
16. Pantha Du Prince - Saturn Strobe (110 points, 9 votes, 2 number ones)
15. LCD Soundsystem - North American Scum (114 points, 10 votes)
14. Cortney Tidwell - Don't Let Stars Keep Us Tangled Up (Ewan Pearson's Objects In Space Mix) (116 points, 10 votes)
13. Burial - Archangel (128 points, 12 votes, 1 number one)
12. Amy Winehouse - Rehab (129 points, 11 votes)
11. LCD Soundsystem - Someone Great (151 points, 11 votes)
10. Robyn - With Every Heartbeat (157 points, 11 votes, 1 number one)
9. Feist - 1,2,3,4 (162 points, 13 votes + 1 for Van She Technologic Mix)
8. UGK - International Players Anthem (Feat Outkast) (165 points, 12 votes, 2 number ones)
7. Grinderman - No Pussy Blues (170 points, 14 votes, 3 number ones)
6. R. Kelly - I'm A Flirt (171 points, 13 votes, 1 number one)
5. Justice - D.A.N.C.E. (178 points, 14 votes, 1 number ones)
4. LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends (249 points, 18 votes, 2 number ones)
3. M.I.A. - Paper Planes (278 points, 21 votes, 1 number one)
2. Battles - Atlas (280 points, 21 votes, 1 number one)
1. Rihanna - Umbrella (334 points, 25 votes, 2 number ones)

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:53 (fourteen years ago) link

The House of House song has that really awfully ca. 1992 fakey piano hits/rolls, and the Still Going sounds more disco-y with a singer who sorta reminds me of Holly Johnson. Easy distinction to make, imo.

xxxp

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:54 (fourteen years ago) link

2007 was the first time I followed the poll results, but 2008 was the first time I nommed, voted and then followed.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:56 (fourteen years ago) link

i liked that "get innocuous" got voted in so high -- those final three in 07 were def lol

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 06:59 (fourteen years ago) link

2006:

50. Ahmad Fathi - La Tisafir
(39 points, 2 votes, 1 number one)
49. The Field - Over The Ice
(39.5 points, 4 votes)
48. Lil Wayne feat. Robin Thicke - Shooter
(40 points, 2 votes, 2 number ones)
47. Arthur Russell - Springfield (DFA Remix)
(40 points, 3 votes)
46. Ghostface Killah - The Champ
(41 points, 3 votes)
45. Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out of This Country
(41.5 points, 4 votes)
44. Islands - Swans (Life After Death)
(43 points, 3 votes)
43. TV On the Radio - I Was a Lover
(43 points, 4 votes)
42. Grizzly Bear - Knife
(43.5 points, 3 votes)
41. Scott Walker - Jesse
(43.5 points, 4 votes)
40. Muse - Supermassive Black Hole
(44 points, 4 votes)
39. Belle & Sebastian - The Blues are Still Blue
(45 points, 3 votes)
38. My Chemical Romance - Welcome to the Black Parade
(46.5 points, 4 votes)
37. Marit Larsen - Don't Save Me
(47.5 points, 3 votes, 1 number one)
36. Camera Obscura - Lloyd, I'm Ready To Be Heartbroken
(47.5 points, 4 votes)
35. Amy Winehouse - Rehab
(48.5 points, 5 votes)
34. Sugababes - Red Dress
(49.5 points, 4 votes)
33. Girls Aloud - Something Kinda Ooooh
(49.5 points, 5 votes)
32. Lily Allen - Smile
(49.5 points, 7 votes)
31. Kleerup (feat. Robyn) - With Every Heartbeat
(50 points, 5 votes)
30. Sally Shapiro - I'll Be By Your Side
(51 points, 5 votes)
29. Scissor Sisters - I Don't Feel Like Dancin'
(53.5 points, 6 votes)
28. Midlake - Roscoe
(54.5 votes, 5 votes)
27. Gossip - Standing In The Way Of Control
(54.5 points, 5 votes, 1 number one)
27. Ricardo Villalobos - Fizheuer Zieheuer
(54.5 points, 5 votes, 1 number one)
25. Muse - Knights Of Cydonia
(57 points, 4 votes, 1 number one)
24. Clipse - Wamp Wamp (What It Do) (Feat. Slim Thug)
(59 points, 5 votes)
23. Cansei De Ser Sexy - Let's Make Love and Listen To Death From Above
(59 points, 7 votes, 1 number one)
22. Ciara - Promise
(62 points, 5 votes, 1 number one)
21. Justice vs Simian - We Are Your Friends
(62.5 points, 5 votes)
20. Hold Steady - Stuck Between Stations
(63 points, 5 votes)
19. Chamillionaire - Ridin'
(64 points, 4 votes, 2 number ones)
18. Liars - Other Side of Mt. Heart Attack
(64 points, 6 votes, 1 number one)
17. Hot Chip - And I Was a Boy From School
(66 points, 4 votes)
16. Ghostface Killah - Shakey Dog
(68 points, 7 votes, 1 number one)
15. Beyonce – Irreplaceable
(70 points, 6 votes)
14. TV On The Radio - Wolf Like Me
(73 points, 7 votes)
13. Cassie - Me & U
(74.5 points, 5 votes)
12. Cat Power - The Greatest
(81 points, 6 votes)
11. Justin Timberlake - SexyBack
(81 points, 8 votes, 1 number one)
10. Lupe Fiasco - Kick, Push
(90.5 points, 8 votes, 1 number one)
10. Knife - Silent Shout
(90.5 points, 8 votes, 1 number one)
8. Lily Allen - LDN
(94.5 points, 9 votes, 1 number one)
7. Junior Boys - In the Morning
(96 points, 8 votes, 1 number one)
6. Nelly Furtado - Promiscuous
(98 points, 9 votes, 1 number one)
5. Peter, Bjorn & John - Young Folks
(108 points, 9 votes, 1 number one)
4. Hot Chip - Over And Over
(112.5 points, 9 votes)
3. Justin Timberlake - My Love
(168.5 points, 13 points)
2. T.I. - What You Know
(172.5, 12 votes, 1 number one)
1. Gnarls Barkley – Crazy
(240 points, 17 vote, 3 number ones)

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:01 (fourteen years ago) link

really awfully ca. 1992 fakey piano hits/rolls

this is my favorite thing ever btw (also take note that "Rushing to Paradise" has really good actual piano solos and shit)

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:02 (fourteen years ago) link

xxp how were they lol? seem like pretty obv choices

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:02 (fourteen years ago) link

that's why... because people were speculating the whole time whether or not it was gonna be those three (because they were the top 3 like... everywhere) and then they were

i wonder where cassie would place if we redid that 06 poll. those hot chip songs have not aged well imo.

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:05 (fourteen years ago) link

those Hot Chip songs were awful at the time

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:09 (fourteen years ago) link

this is getting me excited for the 05-09 poll

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:10 (fourteen years ago) link

me too!

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:10 (fourteen years ago) link

^ this!

I know we should wait, but... *impatience*

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:11 (fourteen years ago) link

(Actually, I'm gonna be out of town for two weeks, so don't it just yet!)

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:12 (fourteen years ago) link

i think the best time will be during the summer -- once 09 list fatigue wears off & before 10 listing begins

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:13 (fourteen years ago) link

many many xps- i kno the pianos on "rushing to paradise" are amazing! definitely more larry levan than 1992

psychgawsple, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:14 (fourteen years ago) link

really awfully ca. 1992 fakey piano hits/rolls

this is my favorite thing ever btw

― The Reverend, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:02 AM

I blame overexposure to that sound when it was new, and my friend Scott would play Crystal Waters and Black Box and CeCe Penniston and Utah Saints over and over and over when we were in his car. I still get the chills.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Here's the 2005 poll, officiated by Billy Dods:

1. Amerie - 1 Thing
2. Girls Aloud - Biology
3. Kelly Clarkson - Since U been gone
4. Three Six Mafia feat. Young Buck, Eightball & MJG - Stay Fly
5. Madonna - Hung Up
6. Gwen Stefani - Hollaback girl
7. Kanye West feat. Jamie Foxx - Gold Digger
8. Ladytron - Destroy everything you touch
9. The Game feat. 50 Cent - Hate it or love it
10. Robyn - Be Mine
11. LCD Soundsystem - Tribulations
12. The White Stripes - My Doorbell
13. Gorillaz - Feel Good Inc.
14. Broadcast - America's Boy
15. Lindstrøm - I feel space
16. LCD Soundsystem - Daft Punk is playing at my house
17. Ciara feat. Ludicris - Oh!
18. Daddy Yankee feat. Lil' John - Gasolina
19. Maximo Park - Apply some pressure
20. The Futureheads - Hounds of Love
21. Ying Yang Twins - Wait (The Whsisper Song)
22. R Kelly - Trapped in the closet
23. M.I.A - 10 Dollar
24. Rachel Stevens - Negotiate with love
25. Spoon - I turn my camera on
26. Missy Elliott feat. Ciara and Fatman Scoop - Lose Control
27. Missy Elliott - Lose Control (Jacques Lu Cont mix)
28. Antony and The Johnson - Hope there' someone
29. Vitalic - My Friend Dario
30. The White Stripes - Blue Orchid
31. Tori Alamaze - Don't Cha
32. M.I.A - Pull up the people
33. Booka Shade - Mandarine Girl
34. M.I.A - Bucky done gun
35. The Mountain Goats - This Year
36. Goldfrapp - Ooh la La
37. Basement Jaxx - Oh my gosh
38. Damian "Jr Gong" Marley - Welcome to Jamrock
39. Gorillaz - Dare
40. Saint Etienne - Stars above us
41. M83 - Don't save us from the flames
42. Sugababes - Push the button
43. T.A.T.U - All about us
44. Polmo Polpo - Kiss me again and again
45. Royksopp - What else is there? (Trentemoller remix)
46. Franz Ferdinand - Do you want to?
47. U2 - Sometimes you can't make it on your own
48. Mike Jones feat. Slim Thug and Paul Wall - Still Tippin'
49. Robyn - Konichiwa Bitches
50. The Killers - Mr Brightside (Jacques Lu Cont mix)

TIGHT!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:22 (fourteen years ago) link

great year -- haven't heard that jacques lu cont rmx of missy

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:23 (fourteen years ago) link

'05 has a lot of great stuff on it, but esp that top 3

i still listen to those songs regularly

kaygee, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:26 (fourteen years ago) link

47. U2 - Sometimes you can't make it on your own
48. Mike Jones feat. Slim Thug and Paul Wall - Still Tippin'

O_O

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:26 (fourteen years ago) link

hahahahah yeah...

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:27 (fourteen years ago) link

great year -- haven't heard that jacques lu cont rmx of missy

!!!! Jordan this is like the pinnacle of recorded sound!!!

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:33 (fourteen years ago) link

someone pls spotify playlist the other year lists

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:34 (fourteen years ago) link

damn tim you aren't kidding

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Black Eyed Peas officially made this thread a joke. I can't wait to see Taylor Swift and Brad Paisley in the top 10!

GOOD MUSIC WILL WIN!

Emily's Cheese, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 07:50 (fourteen years ago) link

2005 was a great year for music everywhere

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 08:33 (fourteen years ago) link

the 2005 list really does win life.

ahhh "promise" placing in the 06 list - IIRC it only emerged in dec 06 so that's good going.

my prob w/"i gotta feeling" isn't nec how cheesy it is - i just don't think it's that catchy, i find it really weak and insipid and even now i don't think i could sing it offhand (though i'd recognise it if i heard it). it just strikes me as really lazily tossed together, which is the case for a lot of the tracks on the BEPs album (i mean the verses of "meet me halfway"?? what is even the point of having them?). it completely baffles me that it's so ubiquitous and popular - yeah the sentiment is right but the hook just isn't there. and i still don't get why "mazel tov" is meant to be funny.

i'm totally sick of "boom boom pow" but it's def much better and i'm sure it'll place in the top 10.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 09:44 (fourteen years ago) link

incidentally the 2005 list has close to none indie artists. WIN!

Emily's Cheese, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 09:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't think much of 'I Gotta Feeling', but then one day the chorus just got me - still couldn't sing a verse if I tried, but the chorus is your hook and that's enough. 'Boom Boom Pow' is amazing, but also one of those records that you can wear out in a sitting and never need to hear again.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 09:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i think my pet hate in pop might be songs overly weighted towards the chorus, and then when you point out how sucky the verses are people go "oh but the CHORUS is so big, who cares about the verses" and it's like...well the verses take up most time! nothing worse than people awkwardly bobbing around a dancefloor trying to pass time during shitty verses, waiting for the big chorus to come in

not that i even think "i gotta feeling" has a big chorus but oh well.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i think my pet hate in pop might be songs overly weighted towards the chorus, and then when you point out how sucky the verses are people go "oh but the CHORUS is so big, who cares about the verses" and it's like...well the verses take up most time! nothing worse than people awkwardly bobbing around a dancefloor trying to pass time during shitty verses, waiting for the big chorus to come in

Ha ha I was about to say "I think the reason a lot of people like this stuff is that structurally they're kinda into songs which cycle between do nothing verses and big choruses."

Having said that I don't think that's true of "I Gotta Feeling", which is pretty "big" throughout, to the point where it doesn't really have verses as such.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:17 (fourteen years ago) link

damn tim you aren't kidding

It's actually difficult to think of a track which is more pandemonium-inducing on the dancefloor if you're amongst friends and they all know it.

Although I'm probably biased b/c it's one of the tracks me and my friend Catherine always dance to together (see also: "Friend Lover", the Quentin Harris remix of "Spotlight").

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:19 (fourteen years ago) link

the year when JLC was remixer du jour was so awesome, and yeah the missy/ciara remix was prob the highlight - the way he loops cici's rap is amazing - post-madonna he's done literally nothing of worth tho ;_;

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I know! What a drop-off - lest we forget that year he also had The Killers (I can't remember if you hate that one lex?), Fischerspooner (woah), Juliet...

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:34 (fourteen years ago) link

nah the killers one is amazing - felix da housecat dropped it at tdk that year after he'd overrun and the organisers were trying to remove him from behind the decks even as he kept swigging from a bottle of tequila. it was pretty special.

gwen stefani and britney spears too...

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah them too!

When I saw Felix that year he intro'd in complete darkness with a dub of the Gwen mix that looped the "tic toc" bit for ever and ever.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i think my pet hate in pop might be songs overly weighted towards the chorus, and then when you point out how sucky the verses are people go "oh but the CHORUS is so big, who cares about the verses" and it's like...well the verses take up most time! nothing worse than people awkwardly bobbing around a dancefloor trying to pass time during shitty verses, waiting for the big chorus to come in

this is otm, but works better as a critique of, say, "Empire State of Mind" than of "I Gotta Feeling"

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:53 (fourteen years ago) link

i had genuinely forgotten the juliet one - listening back now and WHOA, so big...he was such a genius in the way he framed vocals so that they sounded 100x more emotional

xp yeah def works for ESOM - as i say i don't even think "i gotta feeling" has a big chorus

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:55 (fourteen years ago) link

"Blind" is good, but the Frankie Knuckles remix is perfect.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 6:51 AM (4 hours ago)

also this seems like the most interesting list so far of all the ones posted imo

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 11:23 (fourteen years ago) link

!!!! Jordan this is like the pinnacle of recorded sound!!!

― Tim F, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:33 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

thank you for alerting the thread to the existence of this tim, i am listening now and it is amazing

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^love all these reactions. i remember being out a few years ago and the dj segued from "Conga" into this and it was pretty much the greatest thing I'd ever heard.

Roz, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

2004 tracks by the good dr bill

1 . Britney Spears - Toxic | 406 | 28 | 5
2 . LCD Soundsystem - Yeah | 266 | 17 | 3
3 . M.I.A. - Galang | 251 | 19 | 2
4 . Usher f/ Lil' Jon & Ludacris - Yeah! | 250 | 21 | 1
5 . Snoop Dogg f/ Pharrell - Drop It Like It's Hot | 232 | 18 | 1
6 . Jay-Z - 99 Problems | 215 | 15 |
7 . Annie - Heartbeat | 213 | 13 |
8 . Rachel Stevens - Some Girls | 186 | 15 | 3
9 . Annie - Chewing Gum | 184 | 11 | 3
10 . Gwen Stefani - What You Waiting For | 184 | 16 |
11 . Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out | 172 | 14 |
12 . Twista f/ Kanye West & Jamie Foxx - Slow Jamz | 135 | 12 |
13 . The Knife - Heartbeats | 125 | 9 | 1
14 . Modest Mouse - Float On | 119 | 10 |
15 . Big & Rich - Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy) | 117 | 9 | 1
16 . The Streets - Fit But You Know It | 110 | 8 | 1
17 . Dizzee Rascal - Stand up Tall | 106 | 12 |
18 . Destiny's Child - Lose My Breath | 103 | 9 | 1
19 . The Streets - Dry Your Eyes | 101 | 7 |
20 . Kelis - Trick Me | 100 | 11 |
21 . Shapeshifters - Lola's Theme | 94 | 7 | 1
22 . The Streets - Blinded By the Lights | 92 | 7 |
23 . Girls Aloud - The Show | 88 | 5 | 1
24 . Soulwax - NY Excuse | 81 | 6 |
25 . Gretchen Wilson - Redneck Woman | 81 | 8 |
26 . Girls Aloud - Love Machine | 79 | 8 |
27 . Justus Kohnche w/ Meloboy - Frei / Hot Love | 78 | 9 | 1
28 . Ciara f/ Petey Pablo - Goodies | 77 | 6 |
29 . Kylie Minogue - I Believe in You | 75 | 7 | 1
30 . Felix da Housecat - Ready 2 Wear | 70 | 4 | 2
31 . Morrissey - First of the Gang to Die | 68 | 5 |
32 . Ghostface f/ Jadakiss - Run | 66 | 8 | 1
33 . Kings of Convenience - I'd Rather Dance With You | 65 | 4 | 1
34 . Kanye West - Through the Wire | 65 | 5 |
35 . The Prodigy - Girls | 64 | 5 |
36 . T.I. - Rubberband Man | 62 | 4 | 1
37 . Dizzee Rascal - Dream | 62 | 5 |
38 . Animal Collective - Who Could Win a Rabbit? | 62 | 4 |
39 . Annie - Me Plus One | 60 | 4 |
40 . Basement Jaxx - Good Luck | 58 | 5 |
41 . Lady Sovereign - Ch-Ching | 58 | 4 | 1
42 . Fabolous - Breathe | 53 | 5 |
43 . O-Zone - Dragostei Din Tei | 51 | 3 | 1
44 . Belle and Sebastian - I'm a Cuckoo | 50 | 4 |
45 . Black Strobe - Italian Fireflies | 46 | 4 |
46 . Morrissey - Irish Blood, English Heart | 46 | 4 |
47 . Anthony Hamilton - Charlene | 45 | 3 |
48 . Rex the Dog - Frequency | 44 | 3 | 1
49 . Justus Kohnche - Timecode | 44 | 4 |
50 . J-Kwon - Tipsy | 43 | 4 |

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link

i never elevated that JLC remix of Missy over the Felix and Juliet ones but then i liked the original Lose Control to the point where i felt like his formula wouldn't add much. he spent half his time remixing already excellent tracks and the other half making the likes of Starsailor and Texas more tolerable.

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

i love how it seems like every time someone admits to liking/loving something deemed unworthy by general consensus there's a groundswell of likeminded guilty pleasures making themselves known, which then just snowballs til next thing you know 'i gotta feelin' = 'one more time'

― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 12:18 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the thing about this is, "I Gotta Feeling" wasn't deemed unworthy by general consensus, otherwise it wouldn't have been #12 in this poll (or #19 in P&J). it's just got a lot of haters in addition to its supporters, not unlike Animal Collective or a lot of other things in these polls. it's only "unworthy" in the sense that BEP are painfully uncool and the people who voted for it aren't supposed to vote for it and at least stick with pop or rap that's more tasteful to endorse.

sicker than your vag (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 14:14 (fourteen years ago) link

and at least stick with pop or rap that's more tasteful to endorse.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 14:16 (fourteen years ago) link

the thing about this is, "I Gotta Feeling" wasn't deemed unworthy by general consensus, otherwise it wouldn't have been #12 in this poll (or #19 in P&J). it's just got a lot of haters in addition to its supporters, not unlike Animal Collective or a lot of other things in these polls. it's only "unworthy" in the sense that BEP are painfully uncool and the people who voted for it aren't supposed to vote for it and at least stick with pop or rap that's more tasteful to endorse.

This is basically the most OTM thing said about the Black Eyed Peas in the last 12 months.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 14:29 (fourteen years ago) link

None of which makes I Gotta a Feeling anything close to a good song.

Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link

#10?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Doesn't make it a bad song, either. All it really means is that there is very little middle ground with them.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

it's 7 in the morning for musically, chill

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Sorry, not keeping track of time zones for individual ilxors yet.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link

My crap predictions: Bad Romance, You Belong With Me, Russian Roulette, Daniel, Baby Can't Stop, My Girls, Stillness Is The Move, Lisztomania, House Of Flying Daggers, Heads Will Roll.

Also possible: Surf Solar, The Fear, Boom Boom Pow, She Wolf, Two Weeks.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link

"Boom Boom Pow" ain't gonna make it, didn't finish ahead of "I Gotta Feeling" in P&J and definitely won't here

sicker than your vag (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Wondering if the votes for Loba and She Wolf were put together; if so (even if not) it really should be in the finals

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

also can't believe "Russian Roulette" is still being floated as a possibility! the rest of your picks look likely, though. (xpost)

sicker than your vag (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm really hoping for "The Fear." Even though it was technically eligible last year (digital release), I held off voting for it until this year (physical release).

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link

"boom boom pow" is loads more ilxish than "i gotta feeling", i think, and yeah "she wolf" is a shoe-in even though it's not THAT good

good call on "baby can't stop", hadn't thought of that but it should def be up there

not a CLUE what'll be no 1

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link

top 8
Heads Will Roll
Bad Romance
My Girls
You Belong With Me
Stillness Is The Move
Baby Can't Stop
Surf Solar
Lisztomania

and any 2 from
The Fear/She Wolf/Boom Boom Pow/House Of Flying Daggers/Daniel

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link

did enough people go 'surf solar'? i know i voted for 'lisbon maru' since i gave upon the singles thing with the-dream.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

tonetta777 is gonna sneak up and take this poll OUT

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

top 8
Heads Will Roll
Bad Romance
My Girls
You Belong With Me
Stillness Is The Move
Baby Can't Stop
Surf Solar
Lisztomania

and any 2 from
The Fear/She Wolf/Boom Boom Pow/House Of Flying Daggers/Daniel

no matter which way you cut it, it's guaranteed that the top 10 will be the worst section then

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Top 10 wishlist:

Walkin' on the Moon
My Love
Put It Down
Sweat It Out
Take U Home 2 My Mama
Love Vs. Money
Love Vs. Money Part 2
Right Side of My Brain
Mr. Yeah
Kelly's 12 Play

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

my prob w/"i gotta feeling" isn't nec how cheesy it is - i just don't think it's that catchy, i find it really weak and insipid and even now i don't think i could sing it offhand (though i'd recognise it if i heard it). it just strikes me as really lazily tossed together, which is the case for a lot of the tracks on the BEPs album (i mean the verses of "meet me halfway"?? what is even the point of having them?). it completely baffles me that it's so ubiquitous and popular - yeah the sentiment is right but the hook just isn't there. and i still don't get why "mazel tov" is meant to be funny.

lex OTM!

Sundar, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link

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they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

and i still don't get why "mazel tov" is meant to be funny.

good point imo

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

*rolls eyes* steve

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

anyway i think people are overestimating "surf solar" here, no way imo

wtf lebron, that chick doesn't need a gatorade bath (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

10 --The Juan Maclean - One Day (4 votes, 45.5 points for Surkin Remix) (16 votes, 184.5 points) (86 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-uifJJcnCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOLU68irOA8

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

YES

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

unexpected but awesome

Roz, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I've been away, so just catching up with this, and just in time ...
Good track, although I didn't vote for it. I really thought Floating Points or Love the Night Away would have made the 50, but can't see them in the top 10, so a bit surprised.

Citizen Smith (Jamie T Smith), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, was not expecting but am SO approving of "one day" - it's such a great pop song, my second fav on the album after "the simple life". the album seems to have been forgotten in the EOYs (and it is a touch patchy) but it's fantastic to see its best cuts get recognition.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

i gotta pick up that juan maclean album

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

echoing the not-expecting-but-approving sentiment, really good song & pleasant surprise

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

pleasant surprise - great single from my favourite album of last year

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, I didn't vote for it in the end thinking that DJ Kaos would do better. happy to see it there.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I think it might do OK in the albums poll - I voted for it, anyway. Accusations is my fave track off it, though.

Citizen Smith (Jamie T Smith), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link

ha!! awesome! another from my ballot

So far, all these have showed:

Azari & III - voted Hungry For The Power, but Reckless does me fine anytime
Joy Orbison - Hyph Mngo
Juan Maclean, The - One Day (Surkin mix)
Memory Tapes - voted Stop Talking, but Bicycle is equally great.

Fingers x'd for Lindstrom/Christabelle will be happy.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

oh, also voted for the Guido

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link

what the hell is that surkin remix video?

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I would've thought that "ecstasy" by jj would have easily made the top 50, but I'm not sure I see it creeping into the top ten at this point..

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Wish I'd have voted for 'One Day', dunno why I didn't.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link

what the hell is that surkin remix video?

i'm sure the youtube comments justify its making

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

whoa i forgot about "ecstasy"

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Thinking back on the all the stuff I didn't vote for I must have been out of my mind.

also, guess ILM not big fans of that Japandroids tune?

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link

i like japandroids but for me they weren't really trax worthy

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

i think i've only heard that one song but it's pretty great.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm not one to 'check out albums' though

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm generally a fan of Juan Maclean, but I do not get the appeal of that track at all.

lou, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

then you must be exceptionally general

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

what the hell is that surkin remix video?

If that wasn't on youtube, I would have expected a bj while they were driving in the car. Very odd video.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess. Seems pretty lifeless compared to Happy House or Give Me Every Little Thing though.
x-post

lou, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

wow that JM track is awesome, hadn't even heard anything from that album yet

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm not one to 'check out albums' though

― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 10:31 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

dude, do it the album is so much better than "young hearts spark fire" (and i love/voted for that song)

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

b/w the top then reveal here, the Lost ssn 6 premiere tonight & it being Groundhog Day, I'm not sure if my body and mind can handle this much excitement.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

how can one work on a day such as today?

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

plus the top 100 films of the decade poll might start counting down tomorrow!

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

the album seems to have been forgotten in the EOYs (and it is a touch patchy)

Probably the biggest omission I've noticed also. It made my year-end top ten list (would've been top 3-5 if I'd bothered ranking the damn thing).

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

this is going to be the year that everyone realizes the importance of ranking

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

i gave 'young hearts spark fire' a bunch of pts too..maybe it has a chance? i still doubt it. album will def place

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

this is going to be the year that everyone realizes the importance of ranking roger

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

just FYI there are about 60 points between #9 and #1, so any of you who didn't vote should feel very ashamed right now

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Number 9?

Citizen Smith (Jamie T Smith), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

i still don't get why "mazel tov" is meant to be funny

it's the surprise attack of a mostly minority group, who came from hip hop and probably still code as "urban" to a lot of people, using a phrase outside their tribe that makes it this universal melting pot celebratory moment, and this also demonstrates how this is a phrase reached for in absolute elation. Like was so going for it last night i was saying fuckin mazel tov! you can hear it in the way will.i.am slides up on cuuuUUUUP like it could almost be going somewhere dangerous, then the break, then the perfectly timed "punchline". it's le mot juste.

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess. Seems pretty lifeless compared to Happy House or Give Me Every Little Thing though.

it is more of a "pop song" than either of those, so idk how that squares with "lifeless" and its certainly synthier (no bass guitar). i think the only problem with it is it feels a bit stilted at times, the arrangement is a bit off. it actually sounds like a radio edit on the album when there should really be a lengthier version with all the different components given more time to flourish, build and blend together. i think there was some vague agreement about this on the JM thread (and also how none of the remixes quite did it justice either), and i think even Juan said himself he wasn't completely satisfied with the arrangement (other tracks on the album have similar probs where you just think 'this is almost perfect but for these slight arrangement niggles e.g. Tonight). i still found it less patchy than any other album i heard last year tho.

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link

b/w the top then reveal here, the Lost ssn 6 premiere tonight & it being Groundhog Day, I'm not sure if my body and mind can handle this much excitement.

And Oscar nominations!

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost plus the Surkin mix completely reinvigorates it and into something approaching perfection (imo)

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

*has stroke* xpost

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

blueski- Yeah, that's probably a more accurate description of what bothers me about One Day. And I do think I just prefer Juan in "trackier" mode. I don't think his strength lies in writing pop songs. Always felt the same way about LCD Soundsystem, who I gave up on long ago.

lou, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

many xps but eh, I feel like saying something positive about "I Got A Feeling"

really the "MAZEL TOV!" isn't the funny bit IMO, it's the autotuned "L'Chaim!" that gets thrown in on the third go round

I like the way the song just builds and builds and builds and builds right up to the ending; also, I like how the video builds along with until at the end you have people falling out all over the place, ending with them all destroyed and passed out in super vulnerable positions because of how hard they went the previous night. I don't know if the subversion is intentional or not (they sort of make a point of not showing the band as out of control train wrecks) but, especially as you look at this stuff when you're older and remember some of the shit you used to do, it doesn't seem as unambiguously celebratory to me as it did when I first heard it.

Ultimately I just like big-ass stadium bangers; I was down with "Zombie Nation", I was down with "Twilight Zone" and I'm down with BEP. Hell, if you want to go there, I would still rep for Smart Es and Alpha Team if anyone besides me was going to be willing to bring them up.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link

09 -- Lily Allen - The Fear (16 votes, 206.5 points, 3 #1 vote/s) (21 in P&J, 31 in p4k)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn7ziS43YHs

"I don't know what's right and what's real any more" could cover a lot of ground in a discussion about modern anomie and solipsism, and so it's nice to see that wind up in a pop song, I guess. As a tune I find "The Fear" enjoyable, and even the parts of the song that didn't work for me at first, like the lines about people dying to obtain diamonds and how the world isn't about mothers any more, end up fitting in with the song's themes because their vaguely self-righteous, phoney, and didactic tone almost work as a parody. The irony that, while trying to sound deep, Allen still says something cliche and shallow only adds to the song's point about modern superficiality and blurred reality. -Cunga

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Yay, it made it!!!!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

i should add 'One Day' is relatively fast (tho actually sounds better pitched down a bit, maybe even 10bpm slower) for an actual song like that, and it seems like quite a challenge to make a duet work at that tempo along with the range of hooks and details it does have. trying to think of a Human League song with similar structure and speed but can't!

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

(stupid labels that still prohibit embeds in NOT GETTING IT SHOCKAH)

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link

i like the "i look at the sun and i look in the mirror..." line in The Fear. SO CLEVARR,

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link

YES!! <3<3<3 this track!

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link

'the fear' is great, and the fact that i associate it with Match of the Day goal of the month nominee clips doesn't work against it.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

xxpost - yeah I could really just listen to an album of Lily reciting a phone book & I would be happy.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

lol i just got the "sun/mirror" line. btw i'll be the first to say that this still hasn't turned into the indie-fest everyone predicted, so no more whining :)

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link

how many chickens u got then?

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

"the fear" is great, totally won me over to lily as a former hater

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link

YESSSS!!!

one boob is free with one (daavid), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I liked Lily's first album/singles, but LOVED the second album and all its singles. Sometimes I get so fanned-out I feel like one of those girls screaming for The Beatles on Ed Sullivan.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i had never heard the ciara remix of Blame It! It's an improvement!

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link

did y'all hear her anti-war TROOF BOMB 'Kabul Shit'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spTtXaR3vAI

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"the fear" is great, totally won me over to lily as a former hater

Yup, me too. I think this was my #1.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link

same here

one boob is free with one (daavid), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link

especially as you look at this stuff when you're older and remember some of the shit you used to do, it doesn't seem as unambiguously celebratory to me as it did when I first heard it

not to harp on, but i think this tenuously connects to my feeling about the break before mazel tov, it's the moment when your drunk friend is either gonna hit you or hug you, and if you're not jewish then mazel tov is such a dumbsillyperfect resolution of that, i mean c'mon lex, it's such a loved-up thing to say!

since i've been on an annoying pop kick, wanna counter by repping once again for Future of the Left upthread, that track is incendiary and i don't feel like enough people have listened to it.

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

if anything "mazel tov" seems a bit try-hard to me, it's a bit...i got her...GROCERY BAG

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link

really gald to see the fear make it - i am also in the crowd that was totally converted by her second album, and that song is great.

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

trying to decide whether to throw in my extremely unlikely prediction for one of the top 8 spots that no one else seems to have thought of

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link

"the fear" is great, totally won me over to lily as a former hater

Yup, me too. I think this was my #1.

― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:23 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

same here

― one boob is free with one (daavid), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:26 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

Thirded.

The Man With the Magic Eardrums (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link

oh what the hell: so unless a very certain block of peeps just didnt vote in this, i'm baffled by wrong not making the top 50

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah btw, I never voted in this

^_^

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link

holdin' out for 'Prom Queen' still

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link

i think dan is helping me break down the mystery

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I know a lot of people were down on this year's Junior Boys album, but I'm surprised Hazel didn't crack the top 50 trax (I don't see it coming up in the top 8, anyway).

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Hazel is v good and so is its Ewan P remix. don't think Begone Dull Care was really a step down from So This Is Goodbye either.

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I like Begone Dull Care as well, but we seem to be a vocal minority.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link

08 -- Peter Andre - Behind Close Doors (14 votes, 212 points, 5 #1 vote/s) (134 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jWuz2jm2WU

I'm not even going to make up a blurb for this. -a hoy hoy
Melodic music by white dudes is like a big willy in my bum. -Geir Hongro
Some other non blurb using ridiculous words no-one has heard before. -l0u1s jagg3r

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Quit fucking around and save that before #1 gets here.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link

xxpostz: voted for Jnr Boys in my album and trax (choosing Bits & Pieces), but would be surprised if it showed.

Expecting someting Fuck Buttons, Bats for Lash, and Lindstrom / Christabelle and obv My Girls will be #1

xpost: Petr Andre - get the fuck....

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link

if anything "mazel tov" seems a bit try-hard to me, it's a bit...i got her...GROCERY BAG

lol yes i had this exact thought myself, but once out of a hip hop context they make it make sense narratively to me, i mean the song is all about being out with friends and feeling good about that so it's not coincidence that the "punchline" is reaching out to who filled your cup and to the whole world. like i wrote about one possible narrative above, which may be projecting or reaching, but i think probably hi dere is right and that the whole song has this subtext or tension where things could go wrong, but they don't, and i think people relate to that.

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link

"i gotta feeling" is the hope, isn't it

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I like Begone Dull Care as well, but we seem to be a vocal minority.

well its OK, is what i'm sayin. didn't make my top 20 tho.

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link

08 -- Shakira - She Wolf (7 votes, 88.5 points for Loba (#356 in P&J)) (17 votes, 216 points) (56 in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=booKP974B0k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7ssrLSheg4

"Loba is so much better in Spanish. I can see that awkwardness is part of her appeal, but I like her awkward and charming, not awkward and silly. She's good, and this is a disco stomper." -Ismael Klata

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link

idk as drinking, partying songs of 09, gimme "drink in my cup" any day over BEPs

xp god "she wolf" is overrated

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Best thing about She Wolf is the video.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link

anyone predicting indie domination of top ten not feelin so smart right now..

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, there's still 7 more to go.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

And there's only one legit rap track in the top 20 so far (because fuck a BEP).

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i love that shakira exists

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link

("In the NA" never had a chance... *sadface*)

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, i can get down to / get with that Shakira track more than any BEP

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

(of course another way it makes sense dramatically is the pause for pouring)

zvookster, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link

i love that shakira exists

me too, but neither version of "she wolf" does much for me.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link

i kind of feel that the way people go on about "she wolf", it should be one of those irresistible pop songs that i crave to hear over and over again, on loop for an hour, but months on i'm still stuck in the "eh, don't mind this when it comes on" stage.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

nb i do <3 shakira of course, my fav shakira song is "underneath your clothes" by miles

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I like her Timbaland song a little more but "She Wolf" is fun enough for me.

also yes she is smokin' hot and that totally biases me towards the appreciation of her music

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link

my fav shakira song is "underneath your clothes" by miles

pretty much all the singles from that album trump her subsequent english-language singles, imo. i'm not a big "hips don't lie" fan either (partly because of ugh-wyclef).

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:13 (fourteen years ago) link

"objection (tango)" <3 <3 <3

i think...i feel her voice just works better with more, uh, organic arrangements?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

like i buy her more as a kooky folkie rather than some sort of disco diva

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link

just to clarify, cuz I'm dense: she wolf represents votes cast for 'she wolf' AND 'loba', right?

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I know a lot of people were down on this year's Junior Boys album, but I'm surprised Hazel didn't crack the top 50 trax (I don't see it coming up in the top 8, anyway).

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:41 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark

I voted for Begone Dull Care and both the songs nominated, whilst it might not be the same quality as the first two albums it was easily one of my favorites of the year.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link

if anything "mazel tov" seems a bit try-hard to me, it's a bit...i got her...GROCERY BAG

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 12:33 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"mazel tov" has 0% to do w/ my enjoyment of the song, but this comparison makes no sense to me. also that's gotta be the first time anyone has accused Gudda Gudda of trying hard.

sicker than your vag (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link

we've never done a Shakira singles poll, have we? i'm gonna go work on that.

sicker than your vag (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

And there's only one legit rap track in the top 20 so far (because fuck a BEP).

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:57 AM Bookmark

two (quik/kurupt, jay-z). don't see any more coming, unless our "sauce" bloc vote paid off.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Did anyone vote 'Loba' AND 'She Wolf'? That'd be a bit unfair.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, oops. W/o going back to check, I was thinking Jay-Z was #21.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Shakira's Hot 100 hits

sicker than your vag (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link

#20 xp

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link

she-wolf is good&bad goofy, the really straight rhythm kills the tune but otoh gives us shakira's classic jerky dance.

ogmor, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link

she-wolf is OK, but it should be far, far wilder given the video and the subject matter. the song itself is far too domesticated. objection: tango her finest hour to date.

still, lily allen, shakira... this list is looking up.

m the g, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

07 -- Dirty Projectors - Stillness is the Move (19 votes, 222 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (5 in P&J, 2 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMPF6lpM0XM

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

REVENGE OF THE GAPDY

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

having resigned myself to this placing a while ago, i'm really happy to see it here, and not higher (ie: i am rooting for "my girls" to show up next)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

tbh, I expected it to be higher, ha!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

i do like the strings at the end

they almost make up for the annoying aspects

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

wow she is kind of terrible

I like the rest of the song tho

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

she-wolf is OK, but it should be far, far wilder given the video and the subject matter. the song itself is far too domesticated.

yeah i posted similar on another thread. she gazelle more like etc.

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

pro-tip: if your doubled vocals are a quarter-step off, re-record them

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I actually do like this song when I hear it (I even voted for it), but I'll be glad to get a little distance from it and come back in a year or two.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

it's kind of hilarious actually, the vocal doubling is making her sound much worse than if they'd just left it alone because of the dissonance

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Firs time I've heard dirty projectors and its not what i expected but its still horrid. UGH!

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

haha i'm so glad dan is backing me up here, all the press about DPs this year has tried to portray their singer as a mariah-esque virtuoso and it's just like UH NO, she is YELPING OUT OF TUNE

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

oh god i'd forgotten about the horrid "isn't life under the sun a crazy dream" bit

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

the vocal doubling is making her sound much worse than if they'd just left it alone because of the dissonance

Despite what the video shows you, there are actually two girls singing in unison.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

The raw material is definitely there! She needs a much, much better ear.

xp: AH that explains a lot. They need to fire one of them.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

overrated track but i still kinda like it.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I really liked everything about that except for the singing; the tuning was not very good at all and brings everything down.

I would try to get into these guys but I suspect the tuning issues would drive me insane.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

ur a muso tho

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah if this drives you insane the rest of their stuff is prob not for you

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

this list is still perfect, i voted for 'no intention' but 'stillness is the move' was the first song i loved off of the album and obviously the most ear-friendly to the general population as there's no dave longstreth in it. shame i have class at 2 30, each new placing unfolding brings us nearer and nearer to impending doom of 'my girls' at #1, it's such a nail-biter.

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm pretty sure they're singing perfectly well from a technical pov. who are you guys to know, anyways?

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Dan knows.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't get what you mean by "tuning not very good" Hi Dere. The song has an unusual and complex melodic contour, and to sing that melody in unisom has got to be tough, (even moreso the close harmonies). I think the vocals overall are amazing on this. what little bit of pitch variance there is enhances this imo.

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm kinda o_O that THIS is what all the 09 DP hype was about, but it still seems like a pretty good tune. Shrill yelping at the end doesn't argue its case very well, tho.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

someone needs to get that bitch an autotuner amirite

samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

guys i think the thing about dan and singing is that he's picking up on stuff that the rest of us are not even really hearing so best just to let it go

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

haha i'm so glad dan is backing me up here, all the press about DPs this year has tried to portray their singer as a mariah-esque virtuoso and it's just like UH NO, she is YELPING OUT OF TUNE

unfair. I don't like this song and didn't understand all the hype it received, but I do think the vocals are good. true, she's not mariah-esque, but for that she should be thankful.

m the g, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

uh oh

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

the ululating/melisma thing kinda annoys me even when people do it well or are more widely perceived as having done it well. a bit like scat.

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

#6 plz!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link

haha okay ppl

First off, this isn't THAT unusual or complex to me. Then again, I'm a professional chorister who has sung a shit-tone of twelve-tone music by Britten, Pinkham and Tavener.

Secondly, if you are basing so many important rest points on notes in the scale that aren't part of the foundational chord, if you sing them flat (which happens a LOT in the first two lines; hell, she starts the song on a minor 3rd which is a note in the chord and is still slightly under), you're going to fuck up the musical impact the song is supposed to have and make life hell for anyone trying to harmonize with you (the vocal lines don't actually lock into each other until they hit the word "highway"; the upper voice is sharp on "get a job" and the lower voice is slightly flat, keeping the chord they're going for out of tune). The don't really pull things together until the bridge and the top voice is still slightly off.

If you're going to do shit like this, your intonation needs to be in sync with the people you're singing with; it isn't as bad if you all go flat or sharp together, but when one person is riding sharp and the other is riding flat, you're fucked. Also note that I don't think anyone is singing wrong notes here; they are not singing the notes they're on the way they need to in order for the chords to be in tune.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link

"shit-tone"

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link

haha oops, paging Freud (altho I do actually dig Brittenand Tavener, who's really more minimalist, a lot)

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

btw thanx for that explanation of what's happening on the verses, it always sounds a little wonky to me--like the girls were just below their range or something

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks for the clarification, Dan! I didn't realize you were thinking about this on such an expert level.

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

DanP, no offense, but like isn't your eval of that song's vox (which on first listen, is balls ftktah) kinda like some yngwie type critiquing a cobain wannabe at guitar center?

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link

that video is way out of tune visually

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

thing abt dan and singing is that all his rules for what is "good" or "right" seem kindof irrelevant to me, like just bc someone is a "technically" better singer doesnt mean i want to hear them, so everytime he complains abt stuff like tuning i'm like "i rilly dont care"

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link

xxp that would be reasonable if Kurt man tried to tell Yngwie man that Cobain-style guitar technique represented the form's pinnacle of versatility, wouldn't it?

Send me an e-mail and tell me of your bulging desires (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

can we change the board description to "shit-tone" plz

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I think those girls are more talented than a Cobain wannabe at Guitar Center, and if you're equating my singing capability to Yngwie Malmsteen's guitar-playing ability I am never going to sing for you so that you continue thinking I'm that ridiculously talented!

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Dan's contributions to singing/vocalist conversation are like Grant on Mythbusters telling the audience the nuts and bolts of something while Tory and Kari are fucking around setting things on fire.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

"yngwie type" :P

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link

aw

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link

it sounds like the singers are not technically good enough to succeed at what it sounds like they're trying to succeed at. but maybe they don't care and they like the glitches, which might make them super clever but i'd rather hear joanna newsom than that.

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link

so to be closer to your analogy, if the Cobain type is bashing his way through Ygnwie-esque music, I don't think it's out of line for the Yngwie-type to comment on how it is supposed to go

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link

xp: ugh son

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link

(I mean, I'm not going to give vocal pointers on how to sing "Rise" by PiL in tune, for example.)

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

supposed

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd rather hear joanna newsom than that

I'd rather hear cats fuckin than joanna newsom.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

unless they're hepcats.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

still holding out that Cats Fuckin will make the top 5 here

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think I've ever heard Joanna Newsom

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe it's participatory discrepancy.

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

those weren't cats in the dirty projectors song?

xxp

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

ugh the song isn't nearly as tedious as dan's x's and o's-style crit would lead you to believe.

ha for a minute i was wondering if all our voter intimidating in the other thread would prevent "my girls" from showing up. still not likely, though "stillness" >>> "my girls"

xp what plax and and SS said

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I was going to OTM Dan before the big post OTMed itself. I love the sly frosty guitar line, the strings+Dave Longstreth hugging an alpaca or just rotating on the mountain thinking about things, but the singing isn't smooth enough to gel w/the rest. Talent is empty&I don't care about it, but their singing here feels like more of an unhappy accident than design.

ogmor, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

man i was going to record the bit of a tune i remember for help with track i.d. but now i am too terrified of hi dere

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

i wanna here hi dere's reaction to joanna newsom

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think I've ever heard Joanna Newsom

Consider yourself lucky.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

you guys

YOU GUYS

Joanna Newsom is fucking hilarious

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

<3 <3 <3

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

like i think its not really going too far to say that their voices match the concept which is "warped, distended rnb stitched back together out of broken indie rock"

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

like ur not supposed to be comparing the vocals to solange

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

which song r u listenin 2

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

ha for a minute i was wondering if all our voter intimidating in the other thread would prevent "my girls" from showing up. still not likely, though "stillness" >>> "my girls"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Wire01.jpg

I was gonna vote for "My Girls," but then I saw this guy across the room and changed my story

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I just put her name into Youtube and clicked on the first thing that came up, which was a song called "Sprout and the Bean"

holy hell

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

YES THAT IS THE ONE I WANTED YOU TO HEAR

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

so happy

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

HI DERE, plz critique Newsom. plzplzplzplz

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link

where panda at string? where he at? where's panda bear string? huh? where panda at?

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link

that was an entirely unexpected experience

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link

lol waiting to for dan to go "....and it was AWESOME!"

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link

i have also never heard joanna newsom

off to youtube so i can enjoy the fun

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link

like, I don't know if I can actually critique this because:

- She clearly is on her own type of idiosyncratic shit where blasting her for what makes her unique is missing the point of what she's trying to put across, like making fun of Macy Gray for having a gravelly voice.

- I haven't stopped laughing yet.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link

j newsom haters to the left, to the left

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link

looking at Joanna Newsom fills me with lust, elfin lust.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link

nah i woulda preferred if he found peach plum pear

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

but sparrow and the whatever is so ridiculous and insane and her voice in that song makes me full of murder that it is good

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

like, I don't know if I can actually critique this because:

- She clearly is on her own type of idiosyncratic shit where blasting her for what makes her unique is missing the point of what she's trying to put across, like making fun of Macy Gray for having a gravelly voice.

- I haven't stopped laughing yet.

― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:50 PM (1 minute ago)

yah 4 me you miss that this isn't really a b+w issue tho

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I know they weren't dating yet when her first album came out, but she was already the star of one of Andy Samberg's SNL Digital Shorts before they even met (or that's how "Sprout and the Bean" comes across to me).

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

hahahahahahaha

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link

looking at Joanna Newsom fills me with lust, elfin lust.

― they ate only candy canes (Pillbox)

dwarfed by my chivalrous desire

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link

indie folksters be listening to bjork but doing it rong

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link

The only Newsom song I ever liked was "Clam, Crab..."

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link

wow i really want the next track to appear now

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link

indie folksters be listening to bjork but doing it rong

can't tell whether this in ref. to dirty proj or j newsom, works for either though

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

please to give us #6?

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

newsom provokes extreme responses even within individual listeners.

I saw her live a few years ago... at first I was 'this is truly the most beautiful sound there has ever been in the history of the world'. three minutes later: 'OH GOD THIS IS JUST TERRIBLE, MAKE HER STOP'.

m the g, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

yah 4 me you miss that this isn't really a b+w issue tho

What black and white issue are you inventing here?

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah theres like two type of ppl from what ur sayin, ppl who should sound "technically good " (which i dont get but) and people who are exempt bc of their "unique style" or being in a certain type of band

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link

people who sound good vs. people who sound like nefarious muppets

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link

newsom provokes extreme responses even within individual listeners.

yeah i still don't really know what i think of her! idk whether her songs would be improved by a more "normal" voice but for the most part, no matter how much i admire what she's doing, the voice kind of...stops me listening to her ever.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link

That is not at all what I'm saying. Stop inventing stupid, asinine arguments and pretending like they're my positions.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

you all need to just listen to the harp solos

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

let's not pretend Newsom's "thing" is some kind of wildly inventive Meredith Monk singing. she just puts on a weird affect and belts it out.

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

people who sound good vs. people who sound like nefarious muppets

― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:58 PM (54 seconds ago)

yah im totes mcgrotes sure u only listen 2 classically trained singers w/ perfect pitch

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

hat is not at all what I'm saying. Stop inventing stupid, asinine arguments and pretending like they're my positions.

― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:59 PM (1 minute ago)

ok im not tryna invent some argument for you but thats totally what it sounds like

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

like, thats what it sounds like u were saying

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Stop fighting and start demanding #6!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link

if I am taking too long to post the next one it is not because I am trying to draw it out! I get on calls and meetings which unfortunately take precedence over "internet polls," or so I imagine my manager would think.

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link

let's not pretend Newsom's "thing" is some kind of wildly inventive Meredith Monk singing. she just puts on a weird affect and belts it out.

― Mordy, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:00 PM (1 minute ago)

The inventiveness of her music isn't her voice, it's her craft - the songwriting, sense of movement and melody, and her way with words. very few albums of the last album flowed so naturally through so many gorgeous melodies as 'Ys'.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link

06 -- Lindstrom and Christabelle – Baby I Can't Stop (7 votes, 86 points for Aeroplane Remix [#811 in P&J]) (18 votes, 223.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IssdPmsScos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhWSkQc0qPA

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Your manager has odd priorities.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link

just noticed the title is probably "Baby Can't Stop"?

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link

The inventiveness of her music isn't her voice, it's her craft - the songwriting, sense of movement and melody, and her way with words. very few albums of the last album flowed so naturally through so many gorgeous melodies as 'Ys'.

It's kind of hard to appreciate the gorgeous melodies when they're being song by someone who sounds like a goose being put through a garlic press.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

In fact, one might expect shellshocked laughter to be the initial response.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Btw, I don't really get the Lindstrom + Christabelle thing.

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, she's a fine harpist (is that the word?), but she needs to take a back seat on her own recordings when it comes to singing. Do a Carlos Santana deal and bring in your pals.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link

LET THE BEAR AND THE MONKEY SING

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link

So glad I clicked on this thread now.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, now I'm glad I didn't buy that Dirty Projectors album before hearing it

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link

i like playing both these versions at the same time

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link

It's a nice song, but it sounds like a lot of other music I've heard -- it's not particularly memorable or distinguishable to me. (the Lindstrom - not the Newsom)

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link

It's kind of hard to appreciate the gorgeous melodies when they're being song by someone who sounds like a goose being put through a garlic press.

This made my day! Sincere thanks - I needed that laugh.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link

ahhh who was it who pointed out that the "smooth criminal" bite on "tirsdagsjam" is a really great foreshadowing of lindstrøm's jackson pastiche on "baby can't stop"

<3 l&c

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

The Lindstrøm & Christabelle thing is just a really good nouveau disco track, though I was slightly disappointed by the album as a whole for not making a real effort.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Sweet, we have two Newsom threads running simultaneously now!

ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

i got really stressed out a few hours ago trying to do five things at once and i put on the lindstrøm & christabelle album and it really worked a treat in calming me

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

btw the first one is not a remix, it's the original mix

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

that was one where i went the deep cuts route 4 some reason

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Yay @ L&C placement!

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

listening to this after Joanna Newsom is kind of weird

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

lindstrøm & newsom - sprout can't stop

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

LOL

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i went out with and lived with a guy for like two years who listened to nothing but joanna newsom, bjork and the blow btw, like non stop.

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

just trying the dirty projectors and sprout/bean youtubes simultaneously. works well at times.

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Let's not give Greg Gillis any ideas now...

xxxpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

oh wow lex

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

the l&c album isn't brilliant or anything it just feels good as fuck

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

speaking of odd combinations of songs that have shown up on this list, this shakira/joy orbison thing that dave moore of this parish made a while back actually works, properly: http://www.mediafire.com/?yhctmzz3jum

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link

So... what's left overall?

My Girls
Stillness Is the Move
1901
Daniel
Two Weeks
Heads Will Roll
Lisztomania
Bad Romance
You Belong with Me
Fancy?
Surf Solar?
House of Flying Daggers?

Pretty sure about the first 9, reasonably sure about the last 3... and that leaves one missing from the top 13.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, February 1, 2010 4:13 PM (Yesterday)

Five spots left. I can't see "Surf Solar" or "Flying Daggers" going top five, and I'm torn as to whether "My Girls," "Daniel," "Lisztomania" or "Heads Will Roll" won't make the top five... I'd say "Bad Romance" and "You Belong with Me" are locks, but hey, I've been wrong before...

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Confident that "Two Weeks" is out of the running, also.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah im pretty resigned to mount kimbie not placing now...

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link

5. Lisztomania
4. My Girls
3. Heads Will Roll
2. Bad Romance
1. You Belong With Me

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link

there's a dance remix of bridges & balloons by dj pocket or something similar. apart from being cheesy i don't remember it as being all that bad!

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

also achoo/awooo

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

don't hold me to that xp

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

to jump back, really happy to see the juan maclean "one day" show up! that's a song that i fell deeply in love with for like three weeks and then somehow forgot existed. the remix is pretty hard too

goole, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

xp ilxor: considering that GB only got five votes on the GAPDY poll, I think it is safe to assume that you're right (FWIW I thought Vecktamist was a bit overrated, tho "Two Weeks" is a fine song & was on my list).

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

yah i like that newsom remix but im not at all picky

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

05 -- Phoenix - Lisztomania (17 votes, 241.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (9 in P&J, 8 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhhzV5Xv9Tw

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

considering that GB only got five votes on the GAPDY poll,

Precisely what sold me on "Two Weeks" being absent. I'll admit it's one of Grizzly Bear's better songs, if such a thing exists. ;)

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

ahhh who was it who pointed out that the "smooth criminal" bite on "tirsdagsjam" is a really great foreshadowing of lindstrøm's jackson pastiche on "baby can't stop"

That was me on my LJ.

Glad I stuck around at work until #6 was posted now :)

I'm also glad the album version got the lion's share of the points. The Aeroplane remixes are good, but the 'original' trumps all.

I think this also justifies my position that the L&C album should have stayed on the ballot. It would have done well!

Jeff W, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link

^ This is probably the song I'll most associate with my own personal 2009 for years to come.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Phoenix track is decent! I hadn't heard it before.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Echoing lex from some earlier thread: I get why Phoenix is popular, I get why people like the songs, I just don't get why they are phenomenal enough to show up near the top of all these year-end lists, including ours. The songs are catchy and fun and lighthearted if you're into that sort of thing, but is it really that *exciting* after 5+ spins?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link

yah lol, the guy isnt a good enough singer tho imo

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I think this also justifies my position that the L&C album should have stayed on the ballot. It would have done well!

No, no matter how much you'd like to think that, nothing justifies a 2010 album placing on a 2009 poll.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

eh 'lasso' the jam off that album

goole, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

xp It's not a ... oh never mind

Jeff W, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link

girlfriend imo

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I do really like the last two minutes of that Dirty Projectors song but I just didn't like the album on the whole. The vocals totally ruin it for me, I think I actually prefer her voice to his though.

That's the first time I've seen the video, there's something really annoying about the dancing in it

I only just heard the Lindstrom & Christabelle album yesterday so hadn't heard that song before voting, it would have been on my list for sure.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno i probably listened to that phoenix album more than any other album this year. which doesn't mean it was my favorite but it's just really damn listenable.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm in the same boat re: Phoenix.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Lisztomania just soundtracked a lot of the things I'll remember about 2009, though. It seemed to be omnipresent in the world surrounding me.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I hadn't heard (of) Phoenix before and thought I was through with that sort of thing, but I like this.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link

the instrumental passages of "1901" reminds me of Obstacle 1 from Interpol as performed by the Killers.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:40 (fourteen years ago) link

^^ this is a pretty good summary of why i roll my damn eyes @ phoenix

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Assuming Reverend's predictions are right, I'm now looking at tons of songs in the 50 and thinking, b-b-but this isn't better than Daniel. I'm getting non-voter's remorse - that would have been in my top 3 with Zero and The Fear.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link

The dif between Phoenix and Interpol/The Killers, though, is that they don't seem aggressively fame hungry. They're more concerned with making perfect-sounding records (something I'm sure was considered by Air when they brought them all together as a backing band).

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I really loved those first two Phoenix albums and would name Too Young as one of the best songs of the last decade but the latest stuff just leaves me cold. I really can't put my finger on why? I think I just want more songs like If I Ever Feel Better and Everything is Everything.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

b-b-but this isn't better than Daniel

I voted for Pearl's Dream, but I'll be disappointed if Bat for Lashes doesn't get in when a lame-o Florence & The Machine remix does.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link

everything is everything and if I ever feel better are all time

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link

I know nothing about Interpol (except for their original pre-fame drummer was Greg Drudy who rules), the Killers nor Phoenix, I'm merely basing my impression on their sound, matter of fact!

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I get the impression I would like Phoenix's early stuff better, it's just that their new stuff doesn't make me interested in hearing it.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

speaking of odd combinations of songs

for singing cat lovers dirtyprojnewsom doubleplay

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

hahahahahahahahaha okay I have JUST NOW realized what song "1901" is

cell phone ads are like ground zero for half of these bands, huh

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

i think "daniel" was the only indie track i voted for - in principle i don't have a problem with it not being on the list but given some of the stuff that's in its place...

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

know yr ads! "1901" sells Cadillacs.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

actually, looking fwd to 1901 on Rock Band, seems like it would be a fun song to play on a video game which is a pretty late 00s way of evaluating music.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

even i like "if i ever feel better" - there were some great filter house remixes of phoenix around that time too - the new stuff is soooo not as good but i totally understand the "generic comfort food" justification for liking them, i value that stuff a lot too

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

can ppl keep making these mashups plz

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

oh ok i just listend to that one

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link

The dif between Phoenix and Interpol/The Killers, though, is that they don't seem aggressively fame hungry. They're more concerned with making perfect-sounding records (something I'm sure was considered by Air when they brought them all together as a backing band).

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

don't see how a lack of fame hunger has any effect on how they come across to me (other than that they sure are a lot more faceless than the Killers, for better or worse)

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, it probably shouldn't. I just appreciate bands who are total studio rats and only go play live out of obligation.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

btw as someone who has been experiencing phoenix's old records for the first time in the last two weeks or so, i'd strongly encourage people to give them a chance as they're quite different from the newer stuff.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i loved when noz tweeted after pazz & jop "i youtubed some 'indie rock' songs i didn't recognize from the p&j list but it turns out that i already do know them from tv commercials."

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Joanna Newsom vs Dirty Projectors is amazing BTW

also the DP singing is not nearly as off-putting next to JN

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

its never been like that>united>alphabetical>wolfgang amadeus imo

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm kind of with kitchen on this; I don't want to do the old "I liked their first album better" schtick but, well....

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

dp newsom is kinda shaggsy i spose

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I just appreciate bands who are total studio rats and only go play live out of obligation.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:51 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i understand this with, like, Steely Dan, but in the ProTools era hearing spotless antiseptic car commercial rock doesn't really fill me with appreciation for the band's sense of studio craft

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

are people trying to use the fact that "1901" is in a car commercial as a dig against phoenix? like who cares? also i'd kind of guess that whatever phoenix album you heard first is gonna be your favorite--if you've heard one...

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

if you've heard one you've heard em all that is

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link

eh i heard them in order and i don't think thats right at all

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link

United was the first one I heard, but I like each successive album better than the one before it.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

tbh it's only a dig w/ me because it sounds like a car commercial (i.e. if I had no idea that it was a real song by a critically acclaimed band I'd assume it was just some ad agency hackwork)

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I get the impression I would like Phoenix's early stuff better, it's just that their new stuff doesn't make me interested in hearing it.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:46 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

you would dig "if i ever feel better" and "everything is everything" and "too young"

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

too young and rally are their best songs

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

much more indebted to soul & disco then car commercial indie rock

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I brought up the commercial thing and it wasn't a dig at all, it was an "oh, THAT song! I like that song!" reaction followed by an observation on how I actually hear all of this stuff since I never listen to alt radio anymore.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah "rally" makes me so happy

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

i think ppl are making the case that phoenix SOUNDS like it was made for car commercials but the lyrics/vocals are willfully eccentric and kind of blow that up imo

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I liked their first album better isn't a schtick w/phoenix, just how it is
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01442/jamie-hector_1442541c.jpg

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

car commercial music sounds like a compliment wrt phoenix and their album before this is one of my favourite of the 00s

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Television is alt radio now. Hipster twenty-somethings at ad agencies read music blogs too, have favorite bands, and slip them work if the opportunity arises.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah 'it's never been like that' is just about the perfect guitar pop record

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

btw this thread is inspiring me to finally check out Grizzly Bear and my initial reaction is "...really?"

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Starting to think that "Daniel" will make the list and "Heads Will Roll" or possibly "My Girls" will get the shaft... just a hunch (er... hope?).

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

the little drum break in consolation prizes is so perfect it made me lol 1st time i heard it

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

much more indebted to soul & disco then car commercial indie rock

― big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

talking about a band's non-indie rock influences when defending their indie rock-sounding stuff is a weird dead end (see also: Dirty Projectors upthread)

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

If I'd voted, I would have voted for "Daniel" or "Pearl's Dream".

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd be stunned if my girls got cut. and don't we have our YYY quota yet?

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

The first two Phoenix albums really are different than the last two, though. It's a legit point of contention.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

04 -- Animal Collective - My Girls (21 votes, 243.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (3 in P&J, 1 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zol2MJf6XNE

For me, this song is like one of those action movies that only gets good about half-way through itself, and so that’s where you always start it when you pop in the DVD. Mid-way through “My Girls” the strong melody and howling vocals start harmonizing wonderfully with the rhythms and peripheral sounds, and Noah Lennox’s spiritual or pharmaceutically-induced contentment about life and family becomes piercing. The Beach Boys-Animal Collective comparisons aren’t too far off, either. Aside from the sonic similarities and holding nature in worshipful awe, there is from Lennox that innocent, maybe naïve, philosophy about contentment that Brian Wilson had. “I don’t care about social status/I just want four walls and adobe slacks for my girls” isn’t too far from “then we’ll be married and then we’ll be happy/oh wouldn’t it be nice.” -Cunga

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

for as much AnCo irritates the tits off of me, "My Girls" is one song where they got it right

lol actually an xpost

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

"heads will roll" being top 4 would be mind-boggling to me. "1901" wouldn't but i don't think it deserves it at all

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

talking about a band's non-indie rock influences when defending their indie rock-sounding stuff is a weird dead end (see also: Dirty Projectors upthread)

well their early albums sound way different than their other two -- the albums are spotty as hell but the singles are classic and definitely not indie rock in the classic sense

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't hate "my girls" even tho "brother sport" is way better

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i hate the lyrics but can basically see the appeal of my girls

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

well thank fucking christ it wasn't top 3, at least

NEXT

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

also massive lol at "adobe slacks"

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

(massive xposts) I get the impression that a lot of critics praised Phoenix last year for "coming into their own," "confidently refining their sound," etc. -- but to me, that refinement went too far, like they seized upon a formula and just repeated it over 10 tracks. Which was disappointing in part because the eclecticism they once exhibited had always struck me as a virtue. They do the indie guitar pop thing really well, but I liked when it was mixed with disco, lounge, soft rock, etc.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

united has pretty high highs, but i think it's clearly the least consistent of phoenix's albums.

i can see how the ilm contingent would prefer the united->alphabetical aesthetic over the INBLT->WAP aesthetic, but whatever, agreed that INBLT is the perfect guitar pop record.

miguel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

hahahaha "adobe slacks"

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

at some point in the future all u anco h8rs will wonder what u were getting so worked up abt. MPP is nowhere near their strongest work, but it does a pretty good job of showing off a lot of the cool little tricks they've picked up along the way, and it is pretty great the way it brings itself to the boil

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

reposting for anyone who didn't catch it at the time: the singles jukebox on "my girls" http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=1715

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

much more indebted to soul & disco then car commercial indie rock

― big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

talking about a band's non-indie rock influences when defending their indie rock-sounding stuff is a weird dead end (see also: Dirty Projectors upthread)

― PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the diff, for me personally, is that their influences (on the recs jordan's referring to) are at least audible in the music and not just some touchstone (I'm not sure who is supposed to have influenced DP exactly according to their own account but they just sound like some particularly tuneful math rock to me, there's no audible R&B influence despite their best protestations)

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

the sad thing is that "adobe slacks" doesn't make it any worse of a lyric (i like this song fine though ftr)

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Phoenix's lead singer bothers me. The GAPDY bands all have irritating voices, I just realized. or rather: they're doing things with their voices that I haven't fully appreciated.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

(massive xposts) I get the impression that a lot of critics praised Phoenix last year for "coming into their own," "confidently refining their sound," etc. -- but to me, that refinement went too far, like they seized upon a formula and just repeated it over 10 tracks. Which was disappointing in part because the eclecticism they once exhibited had always struck me as a virtue. They do the indie guitar pop thing really well, but I liked when it was mixed with disco, lounge, soft rock, etc.

― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:04 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark

i can buy this sentiment, although i don't agree with it at all. it's possible because 'it's never been like that' was the first album of theirs i heard, but i like that they have these lithe, 80s soft rock kinda singles that are just incredible & then two albums of guitar pop with no fat on them at all

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I actually like MPP more than any other Animal Collective album, probably because Noah took a more dominant role. It's more like a Panda Bear album in that regard, and he's the only member who caters to my tastes.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

predictions for top 3? closest guess gets $100 ILX dollars, redeemable wherever ILX merchandise is sold

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

The problem with MPP is that it only actually works on one song, namely "My Girls"; everything else is an amorphous mess that desperately cries out for high college students to worship it like a shameless whore made out of bongs.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

predictions = what rev said, he's been right about the top 5 so far

no clue really what order. heads will roll, you belong w/me, bad romance?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Hopefully "Daniel," because it deserves it (or "Pearl's Dream," either/or).

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, always thought of phoenix as 80s soft rock and lounge but I guess they r really just indie rock

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link

but yeah brothersport is better

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, J0rdan, that was probably too harsh w/r/t Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix. I still like the album a lot, I'm sort of reacting against the critics who consider it the hands-down apotheosis of the band's career (in some cases, I suspect they make claims like that to justify not having paid the band any attention before 2009).

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

The problem with MPP is that it only actually works on one song, namely "My Girls"; everything else is an amorphous mess that desperately cries out for high college students to worship it like a shameless whore made out of bongs.

say no to Dan?

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

i wouldn't be surprised if 'daniel' made it & not 'heads will roll' --- or more likely that 'bad romance' doesn't make it at all

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

3. "Daniel" (my long shot guess of the three)
2. "You Belong with Me"
1. "Bad Romance"

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

if indeed it is yeahs/gaga/swift, this year's edition will be the ilx poll with the MOST songs i like-to-love on it, with 36/50! (of the ones since 04 posted upthread at any rate)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

ok this is the first time I've heard any new AnCo since 05 but this is essentially a more electronic (and not nearly as good) "Banshee Beat". can't believe they got big off this, but good for them, nice guys.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

or more likely that 'bad romance' doesn't make it at all

J0rdan, what are you smoking and can you please share it with all of us?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, J0rdan, that was probably too harsh w/r/t Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix. I still like the album a lot, I'm sort of reacting against the critics who consider it the hands-down apotheosis of the band's career (in some cases, I suspect they make claims like that to justify not having paid the band any attention before 2009).

― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:10 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark

i agree with this totally -- in terms of the two 'phases' of the band, it can barely hold a candle to 'it's never been like that' imo -- and those two albums have songs that are equal to their early singles

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i for one am very excited to get to the part of the countdown where people who havent been keeping up with music for the whole year listen to one youtube of a song and make judgments on an artist's career. never fails to entertain

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

no matter what happens it's gonna be a pretty great list imo

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

#1 Owl City

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link

phoenix song reminds me of why i dislike the strokes. i dont really know how to quantify that, but its an honest reaction

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link

UNLESS THAT HAPPENS xp

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link

well i reckon taylor swift anyway, would love if still going or holy ghost made a surprise appearance bc the singles the dfa put out over the summer were some of the best stuff released all year imo

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link

that being said i'm bummed but not surprised "my girls" placed, though i'm a little weirded out by all the people who are like "you know i've always hated animal collective but with 'my girls' they got it right!" like really? most of the album sounds like this!

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

or yeah i cant imagine many of the haters were following their career at all and seeing how it fits into what they've done so far which is pretty interesting imo

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

3. "Daniel" (my long shot guess of the three)
2. "You Belong with Me"
1. "Bad Romance"

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 4:10 PM (2 minutes ago)

this

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i agree the album is kind of a blob but my girls and brothersport are the most memorable tracks no doubt

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

still holding out for Tonetta777 "$VIRAL$"

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

don't worry "youtube output for 2009" is a lock for the albums list

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

man why is youtube crawling along for me today

"if i ever feel better" is on erland oye's excellent indie-bait dj kicks that moka posted about recently, he cuts the preceding song out, sings up to "there are things in my life i can't explain" acapella then drops it, sounds terrible but is awesome.

nothing to do with anything really but i hadn't posted in a while and i'm waiting for this shit to load

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

auto-tune the news and tonetta777 #1 and #2

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Avatar will win this imo.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

avatar just sounds too much like a car commercial

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

btw if you don't have images off in this thread it's v helpful ime - u can just click the youtubes you want to hear in new tabs

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

"My Girls" is on a Modeselektor mix that is really fucking classy:

http://www.amazon.com/Body-Language-Vol-8-Modeselektor/dp/B002JJE0M4

This was my first (knowing) exposure to AnCo and I was very psyched to check them out after hearing the song. I played MMP on Lala and basically went "woah, there's a bullet dodged".

I played a Panda Bear album a little later on that was even more abstract but that worked in its favor, IMO.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

man than panda bear album is so boring

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

*that

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

panda bear album is prime music for listening to while high

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

also for listening while building application installers

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

When you're high Panda Bear music turns into shameless whores made out of bongs

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

this month i'm temping at a place where all youtube embeds are instantly blocked and invisible to me (but images aren't) -- this is my idea of ilx heaven

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link

the vashti bunyan is the best primer imo and also a great showcase for all the best things abt freak-folk in its 2004ish heyday

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link

when you're a bong you're a bong all the way

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"application installers" = new slang for bongs, eh?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link

still holding out for Tonetta777 "$VIRAL$" - "Drugs, Drugs, Drugs" was in my top ten until I realized it wasn't nominated.

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link

uh i mean the ep they did with vashti bunyan, prospect hummer

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link

"auto-tune the news and tonetta777 #1 and #2"
QFT
also, i always misheard "adobe slats" as "an obi sash" which AGAIN makes about as much sense.

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

the intro and first verse of this are ok, it gets unbearable after that tho

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

No doubt you guys will be right about the top 3, but I just can't see how 'I Gotta Feeling' makes the list while 'Boom Boom Pow' doesn't

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

i have a panda bear album where he's singing thin and kind of wordlessly over acoustic guitar, is that the same dude? i actually kind of dig it, but in a "guy in a garage expressing himself that ten people will ever hear" kind of way

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that's young prayer

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

that's 'young prayer' and I think it's the best thing related to animal collective

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

"guy in a garage expressing himself that ten people will ever hear"
this is where i click with AC/PB but it's not the default.

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

zvookster his other one is "person pitch" - that's the super-acclaimed (and imo, superior) one

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link

but yeah you have "young prayer"

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

prospect hummer was the beginning of the end u freak

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe campfire songs

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

also his s/t or soccer star album lol i really like this band

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

this feels like when i came out to my best friend a little

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Love the fact we're discussing Panda Bear + Joanna Newsom in a year where neither of them made an album.

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

panda bear made the album "merriweather post pavillion" iirc

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

It's musically's manager's fault

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I am still kicking myself for not looking into Joanna Newsom last year

all the lolz I denied myself

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

03 -- Lady Gaga - Bad Romance (20 votes, 256 points) (7 in P&J, 39 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

"this feels like when i came out to my best friend a little"
completely misread this btw

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

RAH RAH RAH-AH-AH

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

great song!

goole, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i looooove the way the synths go insane underneath the first round of RAH-RAH-RAH-AH-AHs

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

taylor is gonna win

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i bet not

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Naw, it's gonna be "What Would I Want? Sky" and this thread will explode never to be seen again.

maciej recognizing trill, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Man, Taylor winning Best Album Grammy AND ILX Best Track of the Year???? Really that girl's year!

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^^^^ the only AC song I love.

(xpost)

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I am still kicking myself for not looking into Joanna Newsom last year

all the lolz I denied myself

there's always next year's polls Joanna Newsom - Have one on me

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

huh. now i'm really curious what 2's gonna be.

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Every time I see the album title Have One on Me, I think of it in my head as Takes a Shit in My Ears.

Not sure why...

xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

if its taylor swift consider my head in need of a scratchin

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

you would dig "if i ever feel better" and "everything is everything" and "too young"

― big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 12:57 PM Bookmark

this is an otm post. they were better when they sounded like maroon 5.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link

so wait, it's yeah yeah yeahs and Taylor at the top?

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

heads will roll or daniel (or something else)?

miguel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

ha rev, that's a funny comparison. not wrong though.

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Gaga annoys big time, but Bad Romance is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy less annoying than Poker Face (but neither is as good as Just Dance).

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

papparazzi is the best gaga imo

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry ppappparrazzzi

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

if its taylor swift consider my head in need of a scratchin

― plaxico (I know, right?),

My parents (who are 65+) like that song. I dont think they like anything else in this poll.

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

"Paparazzi" > "Telephone" = "Bad Romance" > "Lovegame" > "Just Dance" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Poker Face"

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

What a tower of shit

DavidM, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

"lovegame" is by far her worst song (that i've heard)

my fav on 'the fame monster' is "alejandro"

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

nah i mean, i think taylor swift is gonna be number one, if she's at two i have no idea who yall voted for

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I always confuse DavidM for debug and am confused when he has opinions very different from dabug's.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

(but neither is as good as Just Dance)

Oh man, I thought I was the only one who realized this... awesome!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

uh i really wanna go to bed cos im way into this book im reading but i wanna know how this plays out, if its gonna be like another half hour before this thing is true im gonna go to bed

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, i like just dance a lot too, but bad romance is still king.

paparazzi good, poker face whatever, lovegame is the worst.

miguel, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't even know what david m is referring to as the tower of shit. gaga's singles? this list?

bad romance > paparazzi = telephone >>>>>>> poker face >>>>> just dance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lovegame

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I always confuse DavidM for debug and am confused when he has opinions very different from dabug's.

Ha this has happened to me too.

bad romance > paparazzi = telephone >>>>>>> poker face >>>>> just dance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lovegame

This is the correct ranking.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link

so, again, what is it about Bad Romance that is supposed to be good?

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

bad romance is he only one of her singles i wouldnt rush to switch the radio off. But if i did listen to radio more than only when in someones car I'd probably hate it.

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

it would really annoy me if i gave you a lift and you turned off the radio

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I like Gaga's videos but can't imagine listening to the music without the visuals.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Where were y'all last year when I was expecting 'Just Dance' to land in our top five? It's not like she was unknown then. More famous than Juan Maclean, even.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

So BEP @ no1 then? ;)

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd be happy with that

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

that would make me lol uncontrollably

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

you jest but i honestly wouldn't be surprised to see "boom boom pow" turn up instead of "heads will roll"

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

GaGa is so *yawn* gimme some ideas please

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think gaga's problem is "lack of ideas"

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

some interesting stuff in the video I guess but its all pretty goddamned silly art-fashion wankery, very much in love with itself

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not really jesting because musically dared everyone to guess the top 3

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think gaga's problem is "lack of ideas"

― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 10:18 PM (12 seconds ago)

just not very good ones

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think gaga's problem is "lack of ideas"

she has lots of visual ideas, musically... eh. house beat + shitty synth stabs + boring chord progression, whatever.

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

^^pretty much what i thought about gaga 6 months ago

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

did yall see her grammy red carpet dress btw? it was actually...kinda awesome and pretty, though she herself looked disturbingly like a platinum amy winehouse

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/31096-lady-gaga-heckled-for-bizarre-grammy-dress/1264983243_lady-gaga-blog.jpg

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I will be far more surprised if "Daniel" fails to make the list than if "Heads Will Roll" fails, especially since "Zero" -- which is probably the bigger single -- already placed.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

until you realized that your particular political stance on music would require you to like lady gaga?

xp

iatee, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm really thinking Bat For Lashes will be one of the songs left. Yeah Yeah Yeahs might have suffered from split voting?

I thought Russian Roulette would be in for sure.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Basically what I really like about "Bad Romance" is the lyrics (the 1991 rave stomp is just a bonus):

I want your ugly
I want your disease
I want your everything
As long as it’s free
I want your love
Love love love
I want your love

I want you drama
The touch of your hand
I want your leather studded kiss in the sand
I want your love
Love love love
I want your love

You know that I want you
And you know that I need you
I want it bad
A bad romance

I want your love and
I want your revenge
You and me could write a bad romance
I want your love and
All your lover’s revenge
You and me could write a bad romance

Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh
Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh

Caught in a bad romance
Ra ra-ah-ah-ah

Roma roma-ma
GaGa
Oh la-la
Want your bad romance

I want your horror
I want your design
‘Cuz you’re a criminal
As long as you’re mine
I want your love
Love love love
I want your love

I want your psycho
Your vertigo shtick
Want you in my rear window
Baby you’re sick
I want your love
Love love love
I want your love

You know that I want you (’Cuz I’m a free bitch baby)
And you know that I need you
I want it bad romance
Your bad romance

I want your love and
I want your revenge
You and me could write a bad romance
I want your love and
All your lover’s revenge
You and me could write a bad romance

Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh
Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh

Caught in a bad romance
Ra ra-ah-ah-ah

Roma roma-ma
GaGa
Oh la-la
Want your bad romance

Walk walk fashion baby work it
Move that bitch c-razy
Walk walk fashion baby work it
Move that bitch c-razy
Walk walk passion baby work it
I’m a free bitch baby

I want your love
And I want your revenge
I want your love
I don’t wanna be friends

Je veux ton amour
Et je veux ta revenge
Je veux ton amour
I don’t wanna be friends
(Want your bad romance
I want your bad romance)
Want your bad romance!

I want your love and
I want your revenge
You and me could write a bad romance
I want your love and
All your lover’s revenge
You and me could write a bad romance

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

02 -- Bat for Lashes - Daniel (21 votes, 262 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (16 in P&J, 4 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0U_H6wLsWM

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

visually she just seems to be trying SO HARD to be shocking, throwing out this overloaded hodge-podge of visual signifiers to compensate for I dunno what - its all very WTF but it isn't really very interesting, like, there's no THERE there, its all just misdirection.

x-post

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

until you realized that your particular political stance on music would require you to like lady gaga?

lol do tell me what my "particular political stance on music" is

moron

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

YES!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

01 – Asher Roth – I Love College (69 votes, 687.5 points, 18 #1 vote/s) (413 in P&J, dnp in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYx7YG0RsFY

just listened to his "don't touch me" freestyle and he wasn't saying anything mildly interesting but yeah i guess he can flow? Idk

white guys need to stop rapping about how they are white

― J0rdan S., Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:06 AM (1 year ago)

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes!

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I want your psycho
Your vertigo shtick
Want you in my rear window

^^okay, this (plus the french) is funny

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Je veux ton amour
Et je veux ta revenge
Je veux ton amour
I don’t wanna be friendsFREEEEEENCH

fixed!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

asher roth this is a fucking joke rite

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

uh, yes shakey, it is.
I'll cop to not having heard Daniel yet; listening now.

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

oh I see what you did there

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

god asher roth seems like a lot longer ago than 2009

i get mines the fast way, the balaclava way (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Really pumped about "Daniel" this high!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

I can't believe how animated I was about Daniel placing in an online poll that I didn't even vote in. Get a grip, me.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

"Daniel" is overshadowed by a lot of other songs on that album IMO but I still like it a lot.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

okay, so how the hell did "Hysteric" make this list and "Heads Will Roll" not?

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

if YYYs take #1 my faith in ILM will be restored, just a little

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

otm

iatee, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

except it's going to be Taylor Swift unless I have grossly misjudged the tastes of the ffolks who post here

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

lol how the fuck did lady gaga sit down at the grammys?

brrrrrrrrrrrrrt_stanton (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

okay, so how the hell did "Hysteric" make this list and "Heads Will Roll" not?

IMO this is a very valid question

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Seeing B4L live, after lots of wispy sitting-at-the-piano songs, Daniel sounded positively ravey. It has this wonderful velocity that none of her other songs (well, Pearl's Dream to an extent) has.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

"hysteric" was the consensus deep cut when the album came out, it's a great song but it prob shouldnt be on the list. didn't vote for it or any YYY

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Hold on, we haven't had 'Paper Planes' yet.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link

bat for lashes still just seems like a reeeeally weak version of tori amos or kate bush - though she's not doing anything actively terrible, has a nice voice and some actual ideas, so i do think she'll probably improve in the future

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link

hmm #2 is kind of a headscratcher to me. no idea bat for lashes was popular!

goole, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link

given that it was it or another phoenix/YYY/fever ray album cut, i'm very pleased w/ daniel's placement

xo looool ismael

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Have to say it's pretty fucken cool that we're waiting for #1 and no-one's really 100% sure what it's going to be.

The Man With the Magic Eardrums (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

apart from musically of course.

The Man With the Magic Eardrums (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

xp*

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean "daniel" is basically tori or kate at their most ethereal/pretty, which is a tiny part of what they can do, but b4l seems pretty limited to that mode

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost Hmm, maybe in some cases, but that song is Kate Bush + Fleetwood Mac + The Cure's A Forest - it's on another level

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Have to say it's pretty fucken cool that we're waiting for #1 and no-one's really 100% sure what it's going to be.

― The Man With the Magic Eardrums (Billy Dods), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:30 PM (20 seconds ago)

um hate to spoil it for you but it's "you belong with me" by taylor swift

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

i will THROW SHIT if it's not, what the hell is the other option?

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

love kate bush, can't really stand tori amos, this 'daniel' track sounds more like pat benatar to me, with more reverb. not that that's a bad thing.

goole, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

It has this wonderful velocity that none of her other songs (well, Pearl's Dream to an extent) has.

That's not even remotely true:

"Two Planets"
"Horse and I"
"Glass"
"Sleep Alone"
"Trophy"
"What's A Girl To Do?"

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

(although maybe "groove" is more applicable to "Trophy" than "velocity")

also I think ppl should listen to "Two Planets" and "Horse and I" because there's nothing particularly ethereal about either of them

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

i find myself weirdly a lot more kindly disposed to bat for lashes than the last time i thought about her, at the height of the hype - maybe this is just a post-la roux, post-florence, post-marina opinion - and i think i might quietly check out her album soon

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

There's no way it isn't my parents fave song by taylor swift at no1

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

okay, three listens into daniel and having seen b4L live, I kind of agree with lex's assessment

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Both of her albums are fantastic, IMO.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i didn't vote for a taylor swift song in this poll, btw.

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

^bad person

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i voted for the album!
do we start showing ballots after the final reveal?

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

buying "two suns" right now

guammls (QE II), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost Maybe not expressing myself properly there. It's not that everything else is away with the fairies - Daniel just has an extra jolt of electricity. It rushes. But the whole album's one of my favourites of 09.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I think the tom-tom/timpani interplay in "Two Planets" mixed in with the vocal pitchshifting is the most electrifying moment on the album.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

So right now it's Yeah Yeah Yeahs vs Taylor Swift for first?

Moka, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link

but that song is Kate Bush + Fleetwood Mac + The Cure's A Forest - it's on another level

I think this is key - "Daniel" wasn't in my top 10 but its combination of stylistic allusions is just incredibly winning.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link

No, it's just Taylor Swift for first. xp

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link

y

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I really like this remix too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6w93E-dQ-g

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

daniel's a fun listen; that video is unpleasant.

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

since I pretty much never see videos outside of ILM I'm sorta amused/horrified that both the B4L clip and the GaGa clip feature super-ridiculous 80s artsy backup dancers - they're like an even sillier version of the guys in that New Order video, or Bowie doing Scary Monsters material on SNL. Is this popular now?

x-post

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

ok i really don't get the 'daniel' love - can someone explain in a little more detail? the 'in a forest' ref kind of makes sense but it still seems kind of un-gripping to me. i liked 'prescilla' off that other bat for lashes album but that was it.

lords of hyrule (c sharp major), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link

does anybody else hear swizz beats production on daniel?

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

I feel like taylor swift and lady gaga could have released the same singles in 1995 and there's something sorta disappointing about these kinda songs like that winning a 09 poll. I don't love bat for lashes, but at least that isn't true for her.

iatee, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

minus "like that"

iatee, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah she could have released her song in 1985

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Well then I don't really understand why Zero and Hysteric appeared on the list but Heads Will Roll didn't. I thought it was ILM's favorite song from the album by miles.

Moka, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

...right, cuz hers is right out of 1982

lol xp

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

getting old steve

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link

it gets funnier every year

bnw, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

:'(

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

haha "Bad Romance" could totally be by La Bouche xps

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, boohoo funny man

xp

goole, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Thx u guys i am not rly butthurt

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link

even though i didn't vote for it, i think the house of house is the best thing on this list

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

weakest top 10 since these polls began imo. unless Ke$ha or Pitbull is number 1 :)

jabba hands, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i would lol all day if ke$ha contingent staged a coup

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah pitbull wld b amazing

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Pitbull was my #2!

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

the few-second flash of that HWR video did remind me of how much I like that song

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

okay, here is your number 1

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

was b.chippendale's mooted involvement w/B4L just a joke?

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link

do i belong with it?

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link

asher roth this is a fucking joke rite

― The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 4:25 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

lmao

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link

01 -- Pleasure P feat. Flo Rida - Boyfriend #2 (29 votes, 312.5 points, 4 #1 vote/s) (4 in P&J, 7 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrpD6CzJsdQ

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link

its not fair when you do the joke ones

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

How'd we forget about that one???????

OBVIOUSLY

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

that song is actually dope

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

hahahahahaha

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

GAPDY WORLD DOMINATION IMMINENT IF YYY;S WIN THIS

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Another cheer for "Daniel", which I never expected to be this high. Shifting my mental model of ILM a little...

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha, well played!

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

it's totally fair that I do joke ones

but btw this was my favorite song of 2009 and I forgot to nominate it

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

huge track, admittedly

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah you got my hopes up only to have them crushed by mousey waif girl

bnw, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

joanna newsome is no.1?

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

That's a great track

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

ok this is killing me now

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm officially out of the loop as I've never heard this. Or Taylor Swift's 'You belong to me' either for that matter.

The Man With the Magic Eardrums (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

01 -- Ciara - Echo (29 votes, 312.5 points, 4 #1 vote/s) (4 in P&J, 7 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EuZOBbQ-DQ

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

In lex's dreams...

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link

uh in mine iirc

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Ciara should teach Ashanti about how to stay in the public eye even when no one is listening to you anymore, gotta stick together

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Wait - "Combination Pizza Hut & Taco Bell" isn't going to win?

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

in my dreams it'd have topped the 2008 poll

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Daniel was my number 1. :)

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

01 -- Taylor Swift - You Belong With Me (24 votes, 267.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (10 in P&J, 69 in p4k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuNIsY6JdUw

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

ha!

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

taylorswiftsurprisedface.jpg

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

JUSTICE imo

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

boom! headshot

cozen, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

And like that, ILX + Grammy demographics finally come together.

Mordy, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

deserved victory imo

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

the youtube vid is of the "country" version I guess

lol I bet she's going to be a great actress in that horrible V-Day movie

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

The beauty of the thread title is now truly apparent

danzig, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i loved that bat for lashes performance on the grammys the other night

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess poptimism finally washed up on the shore of populism

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i've always liked siren song more than daniel

also yay for #1

kaygee, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

can i just say that no "combination pizza hut and taco bell" is a modern miracle, even better than no jay-z on the albums ballot

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

http://i49.tinypic.com/dtcfr.gif

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

music for wee lassies, is that what we've come to?

jed_, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i have that same periodic table tee that nerd taylor rocks b4 prom

b( ۠·_۠·)b (Lamp), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/kanye-taylor.jpg

"Yo Taylor, that was a great ILX trax poll win, I'mma let you finish, but "Combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell" had one of the best trax of 2009 of all time... OF ALL TIME!!"

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link

^^love this one

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link

music for wee lassies, is that what we've come to?

― jed_, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:03 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

also can i say this has been a terrific list, sooo singular and such a refreshing change to all the other lists, a good reminder of why i'm on this board. huge thx to musically of course, hyped 4 the albums now!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link

LOL AT COLLOQUIAL PHRASES

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah thanks musically!

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

It's quite funny how so many are pleased that the ilx song of 2009 is the same as the grammys

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

thankig u musiqually

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

five point separation!
Good poll musically.

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Honorable Mention <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auzfTPp4moA

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

taylorswiftsurprisedface.jpg

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:01 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol @ this btw

& i agree with lex -- it feels "true" to ilm & is also singular and (relatively) diverse

someone update the grooveshark playlist!

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I like musically's joke #1 better. But plenty of great stuff in this poll, can't complain.

Enoki Doki (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually it didn't win song of the year at the grammys.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

and yes, thx as always musically

anyone wanna post the 50-1

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

so now i wanna know where 'i will come back' and 'spaghetti circus' did actually end up, points-wise.. so i know whether to kick myself or not for not voting

a place to bury st edmunds (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Music for wee lasies otm.

All in all, pretty good list. Thanks musically.

Moka, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

It's quite funny how so many are pleased that the ilx song of 2009 is the same as the grammys

grammys songs were beyonce and kings of leon

if taylor wins the albums poll then it'll be the same as the grammys

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah musically when you get a minute i'd love to see the full list!

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

r ppl gonna post their individual lists cos u kno they're more interesting

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

musically is a hero

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i think last year we had a separate thread for that

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks for doing this.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks for a week of great fun, musically.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

"white horse" won something at the grammys...best country song? even then, different swift songs.

i just listened to "you belong with me" in celebration and fucking hell it's just perfect

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

i didn't keep my list :-(

big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

yay for musically

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link

okay, here's my take on You Belong With Me: Taylor is the type of person we all knew in high school; lots of male friends (she just gets along with them better, women are "too catty"), and instead of asking the guy she likes out she spends four years dropping passive aggressive insults about the girls he dates ("she doesn't get your humor like I do!"/"she listens to the WORST music!"/"cheerleaders are so lame!") hoping that eventually this guy will pick up on it. Of course, he never will because a) he made the decision to be friends with Taylor because he has no romantic interest in her, b) Taylor has been undermining herself through the friendship by consistently being harsh, negative and manipulative in an attempt to cast a soft yellow light on herself and c) if even jokingly her male friend ever mentioned the idea of a romantic relationship between them, Taylor would play it off because for all her posturing and smack-talking, she will never have the self-esteem needed to believe she's "worthy" of him. If this guy is all that she thinks and more, he can do better. I knew and know women like this: I don't want to hear them talk and I certainly don't want to hear them sing.

But if you like 20 year olds who pretend they are 16 year olds who act like they're 13 year olds then that's cool for you. I simply don't get the appeal.

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

ANYWAY let me post everything else

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

i actually thought the list was pretty amazing and had only heard about 6 songs off it before. i can't believe adults would listen to songs like the one at number one but there you go, you learn something new every day.

i appreciate the effort.

jed_, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i only really like t.swift cuz in my head i sing that 1 like a gay teen anthem

b( ۠·_۠·)b (Lamp), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link

also taylor has a ratface

xxpost

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link

daaaaamn, Musically OTMFM

The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link

"taylor has a ratface" is like the music loser equivalent of "obama can't speak without a teleprompter"

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link

i love taylor swift but i will say that the hating on the girls he dates parts of you belong with me kind of irritate me.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link

musically OTM fuck this shit

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link

musically ~overthinking some shit~ but <3 her anyway

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

ILM is a bunch of 12 yo girls basically

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

12 year old girls are pathetic, aren't they

horseshoe, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

*shakey nervously enters thread*

http://gossipcandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/hansen.jpg

I have the post transcript right here, Shakey Mo. You clearly understood that ILM was populated with 12-year-old girls.

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link

"you belong with me" was also the highest-scoring song on the jukebox last year; can't really put it much better than we did then http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=596

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link

i only really like t.swift cuz in my head i sing that 1 like a gay teen anthem

― b( ۠·_۠·)b (Lamp), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:16 PM (1 minute ago)

Yes!

I guess the key to an interesting top 10 would require everyone to only vote for things they like that they think will never end up there

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link

joker - digidesign (10 votes, 87.5 points)
Richgirl - He Ain't With Me Now (Tho) (8 votes, 86.5 points)
Grizzly Bear - Two Weeks (8 votes, 85.5 points)
Depeche Mode - Wrong (7 votes, 85 points)
Boredoms - Ant10 (1 vote, 13 points for Remix by DJ Lindstrøm) (7 votes, 83 points)
sade - soldier of love (6 votes, 81.5 points)
DJ Sprinkles - Sisters, I don't know what this world is coming to (6 votes, 80.5 points)
Rihanna - Russian Roulette (8 votes, 79.5 points)
Fever Ray - Keep The Streets Empty For Me (6 votes, 79 points)
St. Vincent - Marrow (7 votes, 78.5 points)
Burial & Four Tet - Moth (7 votes, 78 points)
Royal P - Between Us (7 votes, 78 points)
Saint Etienne - Method of Modern Love (7 votes, 78 points)
Taylor Swift - Fifteen (7 votes, 78 points)
Baby Dollz - My Cookie (7 votes, 75.5 points)
Electrik Red - Friend Lover (7 votes, 75.5 points)
Julian Casablancas - 11th Dimension (7 votes, 75.5 points)
yeah yeah yeah's - heads will roll (8 votes, 74.5 points)
The-Dream - Right Side of My Brain (7 votes, 74 points)
Animal Collective - What Would I Want? Sky (7 votes, 73.5 points)
Black Eyed Peas - Boom Boom Pow (5 votes, 73.5 points)
junior boys - hazel (7 votes, 73 points)
JJ - Ecstasy (6 votes, 71 points)
Vistoso Bosses - Delirious (7 votes, 71 points)
the-dream - walkin' on the moon (5 votes, 70.5 points)
Empire of the Sun - Walking on a Dream (7 votes, 70 points)
Fuck Buttons - The Lisbon Maru (6 votes, 70 points)
Ryan Leslie - Gibberish (8 votes, 69.5 points)
Kelly Clarkson - My Life Would Suck Without You (6 votes, 68 points)
Keri Hilson w/Lil' Wayne - Turnin' Me On (5 votes, 68 points)
David Guetta featuring Kelly Rowland - When Love Takes Over (4 votes, 67 points)
Horrors - Sea Within a Sea (5 votes, 67 points)
Miley Cyrus - Party in the USA (7 votes, 66.5 points)
Beyonce - Halo (6 votes, 66 points)
Miranda Lambert - Only Prettier (7 votes, 66 points)
Ne-Yo - Mad (7 votes, 65 points)
Miranda Lambert - White Liar (6 votes, 63.5 points)
dj kaos - love the night away (tiedye mix) (6 votes, 62.5 points)
The-Dream - Take U Home 2 My Mama (5 votes, 60 points)
Pitbull - I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho) (5 votes, 58 points)
Omar Souleyman - Lansob Sherek (I Will Make A Trap) (7 votes, 57.5 points)
Gucci Mane - Lemonade (4 votes, 57 points)
japandroids - young hearts spark fire (5 votes, 56.5 points)
Brad Paisley - Welcome To The Future (3 votes, 55 points)
Camera Obscura: - French Navy (7 votes, 54.5 points)
xx, The - Islands (4 votes, 54 points)
Fever Ray - Triangle Walks (7 votes, 53.5 points)
David Guetta feat Akon - Sexy Bitch (4 votes, 53 points)
Floating Points - Love Me Like This (6 votes, 53 points)
Hidden Cameras - In the NA (3 votes, 53 points)
jay reatard - it ain't gonna save me (6 votes, 53 points)
Lily Allen - Not Fair (4 votes, 53 points)
Neon Indian - Deadbeat Summer (5 votes, 53 points)
Nneka - Heartbeat (5 votes, 53 points)
Nite Jewel - Want You Back (3 votes, 51 points)
Paramore - Ignorance (5 votes, 50.5 points)
Alicia Keys - Try Sleeping With a Broken Heart (5 votes, 50 points)
Animal Collective - Bluish (4 votes, 50 points)
Telepathe - So Fine (6 votes, 50 points)
Beyonce - Sweet Dreams (4 votes, 49.5 points)
Fuck Buttons - Surf Solar (5 votes, 49 points)
Girls - Hellhole Ratrace (5 votes, 49 points)
Keri Hilson - Knock You Down (4 votes, 48.5 points)
Annie - Songs Remind Me Of You (6 votes, 47.5 points)
Windsurf - Bird of Paradise (Version by Studio) (3 votes, 47.5 points)
Cooly G - Love Dub (4 votes, 47 points)
Florence & the Machine - Rabbit Heart (Raise It Up) (1 vote, 10.5 points for Leo Zero Remix) (5 votes, 47 points)
Azari & III - hungry for the power (6 votes, 45.5 points)
Jeremih - Birthday Sex (7 votes, 45 points)
Micachu and the shapes - vulture (4 votes, 45 points)
Pet Shop Boys - Love Etc. (6 votes, 45 points)
El Perro Del Mar - Change of Heart (5 votes, 44.5 points)
Flaming Lips - Convinced of the Hex (5 votes, 44.5 points)
Young Dro - Clean With It (3 votes, 44.5 points)
Electrik Red - Drink in My Cup (5 votes, 43.5 points)
Petar Dundov - Oasis (Gavin Russom Remix) (3 votes, 43 points)
Lonely Island - I'm on a Boat (5 votes, 42.5 points)
Sticky feat. Lady Chann - Your Eye Too Fast (4 votes, 42.5 points)
Soulja Boy - Turn My Swag On (4 votes, 41 points)
VV Brown - Shark In The Water (3 votes, 41 points)
Engineers - What Pushed Us Together (3 votes, 40.5 points)
Ke$ha - TiK ToK (4 votes, 40.5 points)
Memory Tapes - Stop Talking (4 votes, 40.5 points)
Mew - Cartoons and Macrame Wounds (4 votes, 40.5 points)
St. Vincent - The Neighbors (3 votes, 40.5 points)
The-Dream - Sweat It Out (4 votes, 40.5 points)
Mos Def - Quiet Dog (4 votes, 40 points)
friendly fires - skeleton boy (air france remix) (4 votes, 39.5 points)
nina sky - on some bullshit (4 votes, 39.5 points)
Reigning Sound - Stick Up For Me (3 votes, 39.5 points)
Saint Etienne - Only Love Can Break Your Heart (2009 Extended Version) (3 votes, 39.5 points)
Tensnake - In the End (I Want to Cry) (4 votes, 39.5 points)
El Perro Del Mar - Let Me In (2 votes, 39 points)
Hot Toddy - I Need Love (3 votes, 39 points)
La Roux - In For the Kill (3 votes, 39 points)
Desire - Don't Call (3 votes, 38.5 points)
Dizzee Rascal - Holiday (3 votes, 38 points)
Ellie Goulding - Under the Sheets (4 votes, 38 points)
Atlas Sound ft. Noah Lennox - Walkabout (4 votes, 37.5 points)
Drake - Best I Ever Had (4 votes, 37 points)
Wild Beasts - Hooting & Howling (3 votes, 37 points)
Amerie - Why R U (3 votes, 36.5 points)
Antlers - Two (3 votes, 36.5 points)
Royksopp ft. Karin Dreijer Andersson - This Must Be It (5 votes, 36 points)
Glass Candy - Geto Boys (3 votes, 35.5 points)
Junior Boys - Bits & Pieces (3 votes, 35.5 points)
Raekwon ft. Inspectah Deck, Ghostface Killah and Method Man - House of Flying Daggers (4 votes, 35.5 points)
Shystie - Pull It (Ill Blu Remix) (3 votes, 35.5 points)
still going - spaghetti circus (4 votes, 35.5 points)
Bat for Lashes - Pearl's Dream (1 vote, 10.5 points for Leo Zero Remix) (4 votes, 35 points)
Mariah Carey - Obsessed (4 votes, 34.5 points)
SMD - Cruel Intentions (Maurice Fulton remix) (3 votes, 34.5 points)
stush - we nuh run (3 votes, 34.5 points)
Air France - GBG Belongs To Us (4 votes, 34 points)
bangz ft. pink dollaz, The - get it girl (3 votes, 33 points)
Bob Dylan - I Feel A Change Comin' On (3 votes, 32.5 points)
Green Day - 21 Guns (4 votes, 32.5 points)
Animal Collective - In the Flowers (2 votes, 32 points)
KIG - Heads, Shoulders, Knees & Toes (3 votes, 32 points)
Maxwell - Bad Habits (4 votes, 32 points)
Dam Funk - Hood Pass Intact (3 votes, 31.5 points)
Four Tet - Love Cry (3 votes, 31.5 points)
Nicki Minaj - Beam Me Up Scotty (3 votes, 31.5 points)
st. vincent - actor out of work (3 votes, 31.5 points)
Still Going - Untitled Love (3 votes, 31.5 points)
Demi Lovato - Don’t Forget (2 votes, 31 points)
Get Em Mamis - Cold Summer (4 votes, 31 points)
Mount Kimbie - Maybes (3 votes, 31 points)
St. Vincent - The Strangers (3 votes, 31 points)
Fuck Buttons - Olympians (3 votes, 30.5 points)
Jamey Johnson - High Cost Of Living (2 votes, 30.5 points)
Yob - The Lie That Is Sin (2 votes, 30.5 points)
2000F & J Kamata - You Don't Know What Love Is (3 votes, 30 points)
Dennis Ferrer - Hey Hey (3 votes, 30 points)
Dominique Leone - I'm The Police (2 votes, 30 points)
Metric - Help I'm Alive (3 votes, 30 points)
Ms Dynamite - Bad Gyal (3 votes, 30 points)
weezer - (if you're wondering if i want you to) i want you to (3 votes, 30 points)
Ciara - Echo (2 votes, 29.5 points)
Etienne Jaumet - Repeat Again After Me (Ame Remix) (2 votes, 29.5 points)
Unladylike - Sit Yo Ass Down (estl remix) (2 votes, 29.5 points)
vampire weekend - horchata (3 votes, 29.5 points)
xx, The - shelter (3 votes, 29.5 points)
Dirty Projectors - Two Doves (2 votes, 29 points)
neko case - people got a lotta nerve (3 votes, 29 points)
Taylor Swift - White Horse (3 votes, 29 points)
Major Lazer ft. Ricky Blaze & Nina Sky - Keep it Goin Louder (3 votes, 28.5 points)
Das Racist - Combination Pizza Hut & Taco Bell (Wallpaper Remix) (4 votes, 28 points)
Jeremih - Imma Star (Everywhere We Are) (3 votes, 28 points)
Kelly clarkson - I Do Not Hook Up (4 votes, 28 points)
Matias Aguayo - Rollerskate (4 votes, 28 points)
cascada - evacuate the dancefloor (2 votes, 27.5 points)
culoe de song - the bright forest (3 votes, 27.5 points)
jonathan jeremiah - happiness (quiet village remix) (3 votes, 27.5 points)
Shiina Ringo - Shun (3 votes, 27.5 points)
xx, The - VCR (3 votes, 27.5 points)
Bangz, The - Boyz With Tattoos (4 votes, 27 points)
Ida Maria - I Like You So Much Better When You're Naked (3 votes, 27 points)
sound of arrows - into the clouds (2 votes, 27 points)
Vampire Weekend - Cousins (2 votes, 27 points)
veronicas, The - untouched (2 votes, 27 points)
Young Money Entertainment - Every Girl (2 votes, 27 points)
Bear in Heaven - Lovesick Teenagers (2 votes, 26.5 points)
Charlotte Gainsbourg - IRM (2 votes, 26.5 points)
dirty projectors - no intention (2 votes, 26.5 points)
Ester Dean with Chris Brown - Drop It Low (2 votes, 26.5 points)
Gossip, The - Heavy Cross (Fred Falke Remix) (2 votes, 26.5 points)
Q-Tip ft. Busta Rhymes, Raekwon & Lil Wayne - Renaissance Rap (remix) (2 votes, 26.5 points)
Tonetta - Dominate (3 votes, 26.5 points)
Beyonce feat. Lady Gaga – Videophone (2 votes, 26 points)
Jason DeRulo - Watcha Say (3 votes, 26 points)
Jay-Z - DOA (Death Of Autotune) (3 votes, 26 points)
Mini Viva - Left My Heart in Tokyo (3 votes, 26 points)
Pearl Jam - The Fixer (2 votes, 26 points)
Flaming Lips, The - Watching the Planets (3 votes, 25.5 points)
Grizzly Bear - Cheerleader (2 votes, 25.5 points)
natalie imbruglia - want (2 votes, 25.5 points)
national, The - so far around the bend (2 votes, 25.5 points)
holy ghost! - i will come back (2 votes, 25 points)
walter jones - living without your love (5 votes, 25 points)
Jack Penate - Tonight's Today (2 votes, 24.5 points)
rihanna ft. young jeezy - hard (5 votes, 24.5 points)
New Boyz - You're a Jerk (4 votes, 24 points)
super furry animals - inaugural trams (2 votes, 24 points)
Tensnake - Holding Back (My Love) (2 votes, 24 points)
Busy Signal - Da Style Deh (3 votes, 23.5 points)
Donae'o - Party Hard (2 votes, 23.5 points)
Danger Mouse and Sparklehorse ft. David Lynch - Dark Night of the Soul (2 votes, 23 points)
Dead Weather, The - Treat Me Like Your Mother (2 votes, 23 points)
New Era - Pockets on My Pannies (2 votes, 22.5 points)
Rihanna - Fire Bomb (2 votes, 22.5 points)
Charlotte Hatherley - White (2 votes, 22 points)
Fabolous feat. The-Dream - Throw It In the Bag (4 votes, 22 points)
Joris Voorn - Sweep the Floor (2 votes, 22 points)
Yeasayer - Ambling Alp (3 votes, 22 points)
Calle 13 ft. Cuci Amador - Electro Movimiento (2 votes, 21.5 points)
Doves - Kingdom Of Rust (2 votes, 21.5 points)
Floating Points - Vacuum Boogie (4 votes, 21.5 points)
alphabeat - the spell (2 votes, 21 points)
Atlas Sound - Quick Canal (2 votes, 21 points)
Destroyer - Bay of Pigs (2 votes, 21 points)
Fiery Furnaces, The - Lost At Sea (2 votes, 21 points)
Gui Boratto - No Turning Back (2 votes, 21 points)
here we go magic - tunnelvision (2 votes, 21 points)
James Blackshaw - Cross (2 votes, 21 points)
Saint Etienne - Gotta Jump (2 votes, 21 points)
DJ Sprinkles - Grand Central, Pt. I (Deep Into The Bowel Of House) (MCDE Bassline Dub) (2 votes, 20.5 points)
Staff Benda Bilili - Moziki (3 votes, 20.5 points)
Amadou and Mariam - Sabali (3 votes, 20 points)
Animal Collective - Daily Routine (1 votes, 20 points)
Bannakumbi - Un Nuevo Día (1 votes, 20 points)
Jazmine Sullivan - Dream Big (album version) (2 votes, 20 points)
Kissy Sell Out - This Kiss (1 votes, 20 points)
Manuel Tur - Will Be Mine (3 votes, 20 points)
Marina & the Diamonds - Mowgli's Road (1 votes, 20 points)
Miike Snow - Animal (2 votes, 20 points)
Delphic - Counterpoint (2 votes, 19.5 points)
Patrick Wolf - Hard Times (3 votes, 19.5 points)
...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - Luna Park (1 votes, 19 points)
Antony & The Johnsons - Aeon (1 votes, 19 points)
Best Coast - When I'm With You (1 votes, 19 points)
Brad Paisley - Everybody's Here (1 votes, 19 points)
BrokeNCYDE - Freaxx (1 votes, 19 points)
Danananaykroyd - Black Wax (2 votes, 19 points)
Joker & Ginz - Purple City (3 votes, 19 points)
Major Lazer - When You Hear The Bassline (2 votes, 19 points)
Tokyo Jihen - Gaman (1 votes, 19 points)
Edward Sharpe & The Magnetic Zeros - Home (2 votes, 18.5 points)
Kurt Vile - Freak Train (2 votes, 18.5 points)
Chris Brown - So Cold (1 votes, 18 points)
Honey Claws - Pemporer (1 votes, 18 points)
Julian Casablancas - Left and Right in the Dark (1 votes, 18 points)
Lily Allen - Everyone's at It (1 votes, 18 points)
Love and Theft - Runaway (2 votes, 18 points)
Maccabees - No Kind Words (1 votes, 18 points)
San Proper - Keep It Raw (1 votes, 18 points)
Shystie feat. Deekline - New Style (2 votes, 18 points)
Super Furry Animals - Cardiff In The Sun (1 votes, 18 points)
Tokyo Jihen - Noudouteki Sanpunkan (1 votes, 18 points)
Tonetta777 - $Viral$ (1 votes, 18 points)
U2 - The Cedars of Lebanon (1 votes, 18 points)
Jackie Chain - Diamonds and Cadillacs (3 votes, 17.5 points)
Yeasayer - Tightrope (2 votes, 17.5 points)
Bannakumbi - Ella Te Digo Que No (1 votes, 17 points)
Charlotte Hatherley - Alexander (1 votes, 17 points)
Girls Aloud - The Loving Kind (album version) (1 votes, 17 points)
Horrors, The - New Ice Age (1 votes, 17 points)
Lil Wayne - Hot Revolver (1 votes, 17 points)
Michel Cleis - La Mezcla (1 votes, 17 points)
Califone - Giving Away The Bride (1 votes, 16 points)
Chairlift - Bruises (1 votes, 16 points)
Mark Mallman - Don't Spill the Bottle (1 votes, 16 points)
Pearson Sound - Wad (2 votes, 16 points)
Rokia Traore - The Man I Love (1 votes, 16 points)
Susan Boyle - Wild Horses (2 votes, 16 points)
Taylor Swift - Crazier (1 votes, 16 points)
Britney Spears - If U Seek Amy (2 votes, 15.5 points)
Burial - Fostercare (1 votes, 15 points)
Cassie - Stamina (2 votes, 15 points)
Consumer Electronics – Cockpit (1 votes, 15 points)
Cryptacize - Mythomania (1 votes, 15 points)
Ill Blu - Time To Get Nasty (1 votes, 15 points)
raekwon - have mercy (w/beanie sigel and blue raspberry) (1 votes, 15 points)
Shinedown - Second Chance (1 votes, 15 points)
u2 - breathe (2 votes, 15 points)
Whitney Houston - Million Dollar Bill (1 votes, 15 points)
Camera Obscura - The Sweetest Thing (3 votes, 14.5 points)
Paramore - The Only Exception (2 votes, 14.5 points)
regina spektor - eet (2 votes, 14.5 points)
Tanya Morgan - So Damn Down (2 votes, 14.5 points)
Arctic Monkeys - Cornerstone (1 votes, 14 points)
Bruce Springsteen - Life Itself (1 votes, 14 points)
Cold Flamez - Miss Me Kiss Me Lick Me (1 votes, 14 points)
Monolake - Atlas (1 votes, 14 points)
white denim - no consolation (1 votes, 14 points)
Beyonce - Ego (1 votes, 13 points)
Blackout Crew - Ravers Binge (1 votes, 13 points)
Chris Lake - If You Knew (1 votes, 13 points)
Chrisette Michele - Epiphany (1 votes, 13 points)
Dizzee Rascal - Dirtee Cash (2 votes, 13 points)
DJ Quik & Kurupt ft. Yo-Yo - Watcha Wanna Do (2 votes, 13 points)
Mos' Wanted - Different Lekstrix (1 votes, 13 points)
Robin Thicke - Hard On My Love (2 votes, 13 points)
Scott Miller and the Commonwealth - I'm Right Here My Love (1 votes, 13 points)
West End Girls - Little Black Dress (1 votes, 13 points)
Free Energy - Dream City (2 votes, 12.5 points)
Grackle - Desert Acid (Sombrero Galaxy Version) (1 votes, 12 points)
Gucci Mane - First Day Out (1 votes, 12 points)
MPHO - Box ‘N’ Locks (1 votes, 12 points)
Natalia Lafourcade - Azul (1 votes, 12 points)
Ronny & Renzo - Me, Myself, Good (1 votes, 12 points)
White Denim - Say What You Want (1 votes, 12 points)
Chipmunk ft. Emeli Sande - Diamond Rings (2 votes, 11.5 points)
Trey Songz - Say Aah (2 votes, 11.5 points)
Basement Jaxx (ft Yoko Ono) - Day of the Sunflowers (We March On) (2 votes, 11 points)
Bob Dylan - Beyond Here Lies Nothin' (1 votes, 11 points)
Cassie - It Must Be Love (2 votes, 11 points)
Disturbed - The Night (1 votes, 11 points)
Drums, The - Let's Go Surfing (1 votes, 11 points)
Electrik Red - Freaky Freaky (2 votes, 11 points)
Freemasons ft. Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Heartbreak (Make Me A Dancer) (2 votes, 11 points)
Jarvis Cocker - Leftovers (1 votes, 11 points)
Lil' B - I'm God (2 votes, 11 points)
Lil Cali ft. Young Dro & Mouse - Ric Flair (2 votes, 11 points)
medina - kun for mig (1 votes, 11 points)
Moody - Desire (1 votes, 11 points)
Saturdays, The - Work (1 votes, 11 points)
TI ft Rihanna - Live Your Life (1 votes, 11 points)
Wild Beasts - Through The Iron Gate (1 votes, 11 points)
All-American Rejects - Gives You Hell (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Alog - Every Word Was Once An Animal (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Animal Collective - Brothersport (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Asia Lynn - Bite My Swag (1 votes, 10.5 points)
bat for lashes - siren song (1 votes, 10.5 points)
bitters - warrior (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Black Sabbath - Planet Caravan (DJ Steef edit) (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Blue Daisy - Space Ex (featuring LaNote) (1 votes, 10.5 points)
chalie boy - i look good (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Chipmunk - Chip Diddy Chip (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Chris Brown and T-Pain - Freeze (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Ciara with Chris Brown - Turntables (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Curses! - The Deep End (Holy Ghost! Day School dub) (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Daniel Merriweather - Impossible (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Demi Lovato - Here We Go Again (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Dirty Projectors, The - Remade Horizon (1 votes, 10.5 points)
DJ Koze - Mrs. Bojangels (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Donkeyboy - Sterolife (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Eat Skull - Cooking A Way To Be Happy (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Eddie C - Make It Better (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Emiliana Torrini - Jungle Drum (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Franz Nicolay - Quiet Where I Lie (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Gloriana - Wild at Heart (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Joakim - Spiders (1 votes, 10.5 points)
king khan & bbq show - invisible girl (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Let's Wrestle - I Won't Lie to You (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Lil' Wayne - Swag Surfin' (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Lily Allen - Who'd Have Known (1 votes, 10.5 points)
mariah carey - ribbon (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Mario - Break Up (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Mark E - You (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Metric - Gimme Sympathy (1 votes, 10.5 points)
new era - do it now (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Nite Funk - Am I Gonna Make It (1 votes, 10.5 points)
P.O.S. - Low Light Low Life (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Pantha du Prince - Behind the Stars (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Pictureplane - Goth Star (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Pink Dollaz - (Pockets) Never Hungry (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Pogo - Expialidocious (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Radiohead - These Are My Twisted Words (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Raveonettes - Last Dance (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Robin Thicke - Sex Therapy (1 votes, 10.5 points)
S4lem - Skullcrush (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Teengirl Fantasy - Portofino (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Think About Life - Havin' My Baby (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Usher - Papers (1 votes, 10.5 points)
YV with Fabo T-Pain and Polow da Don - Own Step (1 votes, 10.5 points)
Ace Hood f/ Dream - Mine (1 votes, 10 points)
Fast Life Yungstaz - Swag Surfin (1 votes, 10 points)
Horrors, The - I Only Think Of You (1 votes, 10 points)
John Rich - Shuttin’ Detroit Down (1 votes, 10 points)
Jon Hopkins - Light Through the Veins (Ewan Pearson's Downtown Lights Remix) (1 votes, 10 points)
Lindstrom and Christabelle - Keep It Up (1 votes, 10 points)
MGMT - Kids (1 votes, 10 points)
Omega - Merengue Electronico (1 votes, 10 points)
Bannakumbi - Francisco Mala Maña (1 votes, 9 points)
Kanye West - Heartless (1 votes, 9 points)
Leona Lewis - I got you (1 votes, 9 points)
Los Campesinos! - There Are Listed Buildings (1 votes, 9 points)
Mount Kimbie - William (1 votes, 9 points)
Police - Roxanne (Discotech Remix) (1 votes, 9 points)
Seth Troxler - Aphrika (1 votes, 9 points)
Son of Sound - Life Under Bridges (1 votes, 9 points)
Tim Krekel - Bailout Blues (1 votes, 9 points)
Floyd Taylor - Southern Soul Party (1 votes, 8 points)
Horrors, The - Do You Remember (1 votes, 8 points)
Lisa O Piu - Cinnamon Sea (1 votes, 8 points)
Omarion f/ Lil Wayne - I Get It In (1 votes, 8 points)
Prince - Dance 4 Me (1 votes, 8 points)
Red Hot Entertainment - Junior Spesh (1 votes, 8 points)
Soft Circle - Light Bright (1 votes, 8 points)
Jenny Wilson - The Wooden Chair (Peter Visti Remix) (1 votes, 7 points)
K'Naan - 15 Minutes Away (1 votes, 7 points)
Lady Gaga - Just Dance (1 votes, 7 points)
Lily Allen - Straight To Hell (1 votes, 7 points)
subeena - boksd (1 votes, 7 points)
Wilco - You Never Know (1 votes, 7 points)
Courtney Love - Pacific Coast Highway (1 votes, 6 points)
Jay Sean - Down (1 votes, 6 points)
La Roux - Reflections And Protection (1 votes, 6 points)
Antigone - Promiscuity (1 votes, 5 points)
Arctic Monkeys - Crying Lightning (1 votes, 5 points)
Gucci Mane - Wonderful (1 votes, 5 points)
King Creosote - No Way She Exists (1 votes, 5 points)
Lily Allen - Chinese (1 votes, 5 points)
Soulja Boy feat. Sammy – Kiss Me Thru The Phone (1 votes, 5 points)
Asher Roth - I Love College (1 votes, 4 points)
Au Revoir Simone - Shadows (1 votes, 4 points)
Katy Perry - Hot N Cold (1 votes, 4 points)
Margaret Dygas - Frankly (1 votes, 4 points)
Mountain Goats - Ezekiel 7 and Thxe Permanent Efficacy of Grace (1 votes, 4 points)
Serengeti - Dennehy (1 votes, 4 points)
Beyonce - Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It) (1 votes, 3 points)
Flight of the Conchords - Carol Brown (1 votes, 3 points)
Golden Silvers - True Romance (1 votes, 3 points)
Gorilla Zoe - Dope Boy (1 votes, 3 points)
Grizzly Bear - While You Wait For The Others (1 votes, 3 points)
Sarah Buxton - Space (1 votes, 3 points)
Sean Kingston - Fire Burning (1 votes, 3 points)
Vybz Kartel & Spice - Romping Shop (1 votes, 3 points)
Fuck Buttons - Flight of the Feathered Serpent (1 votes, 2 points)
James Yuill - This Sweet Love (Prins Thomas Sneaky Edit) (1 votes, 2 points)
Jason Mraz - I'm Yours (1 votes, 2 points)
Mariah Carey - H.A.T.E.U. (1 votes, 2 points)
Ben Frost - The Carpathians (1 votes, 1 points)
Little Boots - Mathematics (1 votes, 1 points)
lloyd - night & day (1 votes, 1 points)

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link

the best part of taylor on jukebox is that it got posted on my birthday (in america at least)

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Baby Dollz - My Cookie (7 votes, 75.5 points)
Electrik Red - Friend Lover (7 votes, 75.5 points)
Julian Casablancas - 11th Dimension (7 votes, 75.5 points)
yeah yeah yeah's - heads will roll (8 votes, 74.5 points)

hahaha

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Jeremih - Imma Star (Everywhere We Are) (3 votes, 28 points)

me, ship, ???

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I have to ask -- who knew girls in high school that didn't drop passive aggressive insults towards other girls? it's part and parsel of the whole high school package. the phrase 'you belong with me' is so perfect because it admits the irrationality of it all: she's jealous, she throws insults behind his/her back, she scribbles in her diary 'mister, you belong with ME!'. it's true, it rings true, and it's beautiful even if it isn't necessarily right that she ends up with the guy and he may lead a giving relationship with the cheerleader.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link

ah man, soooooo close for richgirl ;_;

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Tonetta - Dominate (3 votes, 26.5 points)

>:)

goole, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link

love taylor swift and that song ftr

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link

swift haters relax, there are plenty more polls in the sea

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link

looool i see i couldn't have affected the results in any way

a place to bury st edmunds (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link

of course 'you belong with me' is the sister of 'baby just say yes'. It's her goddamn daydreaming, she'll have it her way. but when she actually gets the guy he's an asshole, or she's bored because he isn't an asshole. which rings just as true.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link

good list guys. i've given that taylor song a fair shake but it's kind of a snooze unless you dig some really specific things in music that i don't really care about and even then

But if you like 20 year olds who pretend they are 16 year olds who act like they're 13 year olds then that's cool for you. I simply don't get the appeal.

this is otm

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

looool i see i couldn't have affected the results in any way

haha 4 real - ilm is so weird 2 me

15 y.o. girls hellhole ratface (Lamp), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i woulda voted imma star if i had done trax!

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I have to ask -- who knew girls in high school that didn't drop passive aggressive insults towards other girls? it's part and parsel of the whole high school package. the phrase 'you belong with me' is so perfect because it admits the irrationality of it all: she's jealous, she throws insults behind his/her back, she scribbles in her diary 'mister, you belong with ME!'. it's true, it rings true, and it's beautiful even if it isn't necessarily right that she ends up with the guy and he may lead a giving relationship with the cheerleader.

― abcfsk, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 6:23 PM (7 seconds ago)

otm, i mean lol @ boring rockist lyrics transfixion in the first place but lol more @ ppl so misanthropic and proud of themselves for being grey that they're categorically against songs written by teenagers that are ostensibly about...being a teenager

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

also ILM needs to school itself in the ways of Desire's Don't Call.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i thought i voted for Jeremih AND tonetta and did not; they did both get album nods.
Joker and Vistoso Bosses SO CLOSE

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link

what i learned from this thread is that soft circle released something this year, damn hisham, learn to publicize

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

also the "20 yr old acting like a 16 yr old" thing just isn't accurate - she's 20 now but the album was released in 2008 so she probably would have written these songs when she was 16-18.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm kinda surprised "birthday sex" didn't get close, i swear it was the r&b thread's consensus single of the year at one point

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

But if you like 20 year olds who pretend they are 16 year olds who act like they're 13 year olds then that's cool for you. I simply don't get the appeal.

a) A 20 year old who wrote a song when she was c. 18 about being c. 16 makes perfect sense to me. That's hardly

b) "if you like 20 year olds who pretend they are 16 year olds who act like they're 13 year olds then"... you like pop music.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link

ha ha xpost with Lex, and I meant to say "that's hardly self-infantilising IMO".

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link

sade - soldier of love (6 votes, 81.5 points)
^^

I would have voted for this but it feels like a 2010 single. Unfortunately it won't achieve Rehab/The Fear ubiquity

danzig, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link

kind of astonished that you guys read the storyline in 'u belong' so very seriously; I bet you think Jay Z is selling crack too.
It's not about the theme! Her lyrics are well written, she's a great voice and she's totally present but the topics are crazy mundane and boring. I think the positives outweigh the negatives in net.

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link

There is absolutely nothing self-aware about You Belong With Me.

xpost I'm not fixated with lyrics but if we are lauding her for being a great songwriter then the topic is up for grabs. Taylor's songs are the equivalent of court blotters, detailed and maybe they "capture" high school but there's no insight or depth to it.

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link

also, YBWM is clearly taylor at her most...i guess self-consciously teenage and giddy; this is hardly a persona she maintains across all her songs, plenty of which are really wise-beyond-her-years and have, as jordan pointed out elsewhere, a real big-sisterly quality to them

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

lex and Tim so otm about the ridiculous self-infantilising point, but even i'm not sure how i feel about her next single being called "today was a fairytale"

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I would have voted for this but it feels like a 2010 single. Unfortunately it won't achieve Rehab/The Fear ubiquity

i voted it - it was released in dec tho, right? anyway i think the sade contingent would be wise to focus their efforts on the 2010 albums poll

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess my thing is that her being a great songwriter is the only thing we can legit laud her for? her arrangements are bland and her voice is, um, functional at best. so yeah in order to enjoy her i would have to close-read all these songs.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm going to persevere with Taylor out of respect for democracy, but as of now I utterly don't get it - there's nothing there

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

which is fine but uh it's not really my thing

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

k3vin we don't say "rockist" when we have company over

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

well to me songwriting =/= lyrics, but i think theyre plenty verisimilar and certainly don't get in the way for me

xps

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

een: that's a simple and fairly weak song but also just a soundtrack single. next album's gonna be the test for her progression

abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

YBWM has mad amazing fills and stuff fwiw, especially the one-note bassline before the last chorus

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

ok that's very reassuring i want to be able to sail on the taylor boat forever

een, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

i still have huge stylistic barriers with any and all pop-country, but damn if the "i remember you/ driving to my house/ in the middle of the night" section isn't some intense shit

goole, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

ok wait who was the other person who voted for Holy Ghost?

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah songwriting =/= lyrics but with taylor i'm really being given a limited amount of things to latch onto because i can't be like "well damn that is one fantastic contemporary country production!"

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

for the record I am the most unabashed dumb popist here so don't drop the R-bomb on me.

I'm not going to argue about Taylor, mainly because I have only heard three of her songs in my life.

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

infantile lyrics /= bad songwriting. It's a character and she inhabits it reasonably and honestly. I would also like to see her branch out into more sympathetic territory but I'm amazed that she finds a way to so clearly speak to me about attitudes and views that I would otherwise find vapid if they weren't so damn genuine and articulate.

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

musically it took me A LOT of exposure to come around on Taylor, but I'll fight for her now. Fearless is a slow burner of an album.

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

"love story" is the most amazingly constructed song -- the last chorus is suuuch a rush

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

lol who voted for single ladies?

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

in re YBWM i much prefer the "country pop" production on the album to the "rock" production on the mainstream-radio single. there's not much difference, but i like the little bit of banjo.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

is the thread for posting ballots running yet?

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link

hey musically, if you get a chance, can you email me my ballot back?

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link

BrokeNCYDE - Freaxx (1 votes, 19 points)

XD

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

what i learned from this thread is that soft circle released something this year, damn hisham, learn to publicize

― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:29 PM (10 minutes ago)

XD

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

They Belong To You: Your ILM 2009 Track of the Year Ballots

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

ha, good title

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link

"you belong with me" was also the highest-scoring song on the jukebox last year; can't really put it much better than we did then http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=596

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:20 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark

not a fan but those do shed some light. (Kogan and Bradley excluded for overreaching and making me want to vomit.)

bnw, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

having to listen to 'you belong with me' in a kinda critical way over and over again bcz of the singles jukebox end-of-year meltdown made me get really irritated by the taylor persona precisely cos i started thinking 'but what about dude's girlfriend - she's got her own music taste and doesn't laugh at his jokes! that's pretty cool! i like her better!'

i wuv taylor, i like how she can make me like her when she's basically singing the female version of the classic "nice guy" complaint, but... after a while it started to wear.

lords of hyrule (c sharp major), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, if it's not too much trouble, I'd like to have my ballot emailed back to me (including albums, if they don't come together).

Thanks!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Email me if you want your ballot, I'll send them tonight

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

is it just musically at gmail.com?

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll get that Grooveshark playlist updated when there's time, but I'm just back from seeing JLS and am on a deadline for the review. Great list, thank you musically!

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

the popular girls look like taylor swift and like taylor swift's music, the nerdy girls don't and don't. i mean, the scenario is cinematic and therefore true, but it's basically backwards.

goole, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

in summary:
50 -- Royksopp feat Robyn - The Girl and the Robot (8 votes, 88 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (380 in P&J, 68 in p4k)
49 -- Kid Cudi – Day ‘n’ Nite (10 votes, 88 points) (18 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
48 -- Animal Collective - Summertime Clothes (8 votes, 88.5 points) (50 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
47 -- Electrik Red - So Good (7 votes, 90 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
46 -- Memory Tapes - Bicycle (7 votes, 95 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (238 in P&J, 46 in p4k)
45 -- The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Hysteric (8 votes, 95.5 points) (237 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
44 -- Fever Ray - If I Had a Heart (9 votes, 97 points) (117 in P&J, 58 in p4k)
44 -- Basement Jaxx - Raindrops (9 votes, 97 points) (46 in P&J, 24 in p4k)
42 -- Guido - Way U Make Me Feel (8 votes, 97.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
41 -- Pill - Trap Goin Ham (8 votes, 97.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (128 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
40 -- Big Boi feat. Gucci Mane - Shine Blockas (9 votes, 98.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (22 in P&J, 7 in p4k)
39 -- Fever Ray - When I Grow Up (1 vote, 10.5 points for D. Lissvik Remix) (9 votes, 101.5 points) (97 in P&J, 36 in p4k)
38 -- Florence & the Machine - You Got the Love (Jamie xx Re-Work) (12 votes, 101.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
37 -- Lindstrøm & Prins Thomas - Tirsdagsjam (10 votes, 105.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
36 -- Gucci Mane ft. Plies - Wasted (11 votes, 105.5 points) (100 in P&J, 96 in p4k)
35 -- Crazy Cousinz - Inflation (8 votes, 106 points, 3 #1 vote/s) (455 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
34 -- Washed Out - Feel It All Around (10 votes, 106 points) (44 in P&J, 10 in p4k)
33 -- Bob Dylan - Must Be Santa (8 votes, 107 points) (132 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
32 -- Fuzzy Logic feat. Egypt - In The Morning (9 votes, 109 points) (1293 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
31 -- Fever Ray - Seven (3 votes, 23 points for Martyn's Seventh Remix) (11 votes, 111 points) (1601 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
30 -- DJ Quik & Kurupt - Hey Playa! (Moroccan Blues)(11 votes, 114 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (214 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
29 -- House of House - Rushing to Paradise (Walkin' These Streets) (11 votes, 114.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (148 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
28 -- Azari & III - Reckless With Your Love (9 votes, 116 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (481 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
27 -- Darkstar - Aidy's Girl Is A Computer (9 votes, 118.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (161 in P&J, 100 in p4k)
26 -- The-Dream - Rockin That Shit (9 votes, 122 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (120 in P&J, 90 in p4k)
25 -- Lady Gaga - Paparazzi (13 votes, 127.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (11 in P&J, 83 in p4k)
24 -- Lady Gaga - Poker Face (11 votes, 129 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (13 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
23 -- Girls - Lust for Life (12 votes, 131 points) (8 in P&J, 9 in p4k)
22 -- Jamie Foxx feat. T-Pain - Blame It (12 votes, 140.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (55 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
21 -- Taylor Swift - Love Story (10 votes, 141.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (177 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
20 -- Jay-Z - Empire State of Mind (ft. Alicia Keys) (13 votes, 144.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (1 in P&J, 44 in p4k)
19 -- Future Of The Left - Arming Eritrea (10 votes, 147 points, 3 #1 vote/s) (301 in P&J, 98 in p4k)
18 -- The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Zero (14 votes, 147.5 points) (6 in P&J, 6 in p4k)
17 -- The xx - Crystalised (11 votes, 157.5 points) (33 in P&J, 16 in p4k)
16 -- Maxwell - Pretty Wings (13 votes, 161 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (14 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
15 -- Joy Orbison - Hyph Mngo (11 votes, 162.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (20 in P&J, 14 in p4k)
14 -- DJ Quik & Kurupt – 9X out of 10 (13 votes, 172 points) (67 in P&J, 33 in p4k)
13 -- Phoenix - 1901 (15 votes, 175 points) (2 in P&J, 3 in p4k)
12 -- Black Eyed Peas - I Gotta Feeling (13 votes, 176 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (19 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
11 -- The-Dream - Fancy (13 votes, 181.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (809 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
10 --The Juan Maclean - One Day (4 votes, 45.5 points for Surkin Remix) (16 votes, 184.5 points) (86 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
09 -- Lily Allen - The Fear (16 votes, 206.5 points, 3 #1 vote/s) (21 in P&J, 31 in p4k)
08 -- Shakira - She Wolf (7 votes, 88.5 points for Loba (#356 in P&J)) (17 votes, 216 points) (56 in P&J, DNP in p4k)
07 -- Dirty Projectors - Stillness is the Move (19 votes, 222 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (5 in P&J, 2 in p4k)
06 -- Lindstrom and Christabelle – Baby I Can't Stop (7 votes, 86 points for Aeroplane Remix [#811 in P&J]) (18 votes, 223.5 points) (DNP in P&J, DNP in p4k)
05 -- Phoenix - Lisztomania (17 votes, 241.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (9 in P&J, 8 in p4k)
04 -- Animal Collective - My Girls (21 votes, 243.5 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (3 in P&J, 1 in p4k)
03 -- Lady Gaga - Bad Romance (20 votes, 256 points) (7 in P&J, 39 in p4k)
02 -- Bat for Lashes - Daniel (21 votes, 262 points, 1 #1 vote/s) (16 in P&J, 4 in p4k)
01 -- Pleasure P feat. Flo Rida - Boyfriend #2 (29 votes, 312.5 points, 4 #1 vote/s) (4 in P&J, 7 in p4k)
01 -- Taylor Swift - You Belong With Me (24 votes, 267.5 points, 2 #1 vote/s) (10 in P&J, 69 in p4k)

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd never heard any of the rap stuff or taylor swift before this thread... still reeling with confusion

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

see, i don't REALLY know enough of the trax yall nominate to vote with a clear conscience, but i did a mock trax ballot and could've gotten daniel to #1

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ including the trick #1

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

When I joined the Singles Jukebox collective, my hope was that the exposure and experience of listening to so much music would give me a better sense of the pop landscape and it has been HELLA effective

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

i.e. 80% of this is music I'm very familiar with which is something I couldn't have said about last year's poll.

forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i gotta follow that this year

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

This was a great thread. Well done, musically.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link

whatever happened with the end-of-year jukebox matchups?

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i did a mock trax ballot and could've gotten daniel to #1

Likewise if Dan had actually voted, I'd assume...

http://11.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kts27k9hfS1qas9e4o1_500.jpg

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

it's seattleDOTmaryATgmailDOTcom

musically, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Who is Bat for Lashes and how do you people know that song???

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link

if its taylor swift consider my head in need of a scratchin

decent tune & all, and I've done my fair share of singing along to this in my car, but really? As far as country-pop crossover & teen-pop anthems go, yes I agree that this does that sort of thing very well, & Taylor does have a great set of pipes but, for #1, I just don't see it..

Shoulda been Miley!

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link

xp she's a hot girl from the uk who makes some good music? we know it cause it was well-publicized?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link

musically, you are a gentleman & a scholar. Thanks again for doing this & these sorts of things in general. It's been a blast (& a pleasant diversion from work drudgery & the post-holiday winter blues).

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

She played Letterman, Fallon, Kimmel and Carson Daly's show, has been reviewed on just about every music website and in every pop/rock leaning magazine. She's had videos featured on Youtube's front page. Charlotte Hatherley was her touring guitaris. I dunno, I guess it could be easy to not know who Bat for Lashes is.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i think the jukebox will eventually resolve but it's just now getting back on the rails for '10 so I'm not stressing the end-of-year thing.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link

also she owns kia ora iirc

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuL01ZlVOYY

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link

also can i say this has been a terrific list, sooo singular and such a refreshing change to all the other lists, a good reminder of why i'm on this board. huge thx to musically of course, hyped 4 the albums now!

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 6:07 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^^ this. really glad it's over, too, i've got 200 pages of the odyssey to read for friday morning and this has been consuming way too much of my time and attention.

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link

had no idea Swift wrote her songs, news to me. doesn't make them any better of course...

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link

just FYI I will start albums on Thursday, have some commitments tomorrow that need my undivided attention

musically, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link

yay! next week when the albums and films thread is over tho will be an empty week

danzig, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link

:( - only one other person voted for my #1..

they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll be out of town next week. No fun for me. ;_;

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Xpost: i can even wait till next week for the albums; would be nice to get away from the high-drama (sincerely) that this thread has been!

Thks musically. and everyone that argued so righteously about/against Girls, ESOM, DP, Taylor.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link

In othr words: been fun reading!

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link

one more time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNzrwh2Z2hQ&feature=related

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link

and everyone that argued so righteously about/against Girls

Just realized that "Hellhole Ratrace" may have been the best unrealized joke #1 ever.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link

lol according to tom ewing's blog, both ilm & poptimits had "fancy" at #11

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link

v disappointed by the top 2. Daniel is just a really mediocre song lacking energy and ffs You Belong With Me, vocals aside, is the most boring and actually bland musical composition i heard last year along with all other TS. i am quitting polls forever etc.

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ "vocals aside"

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link

no pleasing some people xpost

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I have no opinion on the Taylor Swift song, or the fact that it's #1. Daniel is pretty great, though if we were going through the nominations process again, I may have nommed Sleep Alone instead of Pearl's Dream. Sleep Alone has grown on me a lot in just the last month or so.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link

ftr i absolutely abhorred the first bat for lashes album. 'daniel' just came up on a playlist somewhere and i was astonished.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Once you get into Two Suns (if you try, that is), go back to the first album again. It seems so much better now that you can put it in some context.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

no pleasing some people

who me? i'm pretty easily pleased! hating on Swift's music would be a total waste of time if it wasn't for just how popular it is. so really i only dislike it for the same reasons i dislike 'I Gotta Feeling' and Coldplay.

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i think the only problem with it is it feels a bit stilted at times

Just a bit.

Honestly, it seems like a bad joke that anything that sounds like that would end up in a top ten list such as this.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:58 (fourteen years ago) link

weakest top 10 since these polls began imo.

jabba otm, and the first 20-30 were so exciting!

so now i wanna know where 'i will come back' and 'spaghetti circus' did actually end up, points-wise.. so i know whether to kick myself or not for not voting

I would have voted for all of these if I’d seen a voting thread:
JJ - Ecstasy (6 votes, 71 points)
Sticky feat. Lady Chann - Your Eye Too Fast (4 votes, 42.5 points)
still going - spaghetti circus (4 votes, 35.5 points)
*stush - we nuh run (3 votes, 34.5 points)
*Ms Dynamite - Bad Gyal (3 votes, 30 points)
holy ghost! - i will come back (2 votes, 25 points)
*Donae'o - Party Hard (2 votes, 23.5 points)

*probably.

Also would have given a futile #1 to Love Don’t Dance Here Anymore by Tiga (and Gonzales) (with Soulwax and James Murphy). HG! #2.

No, no matter how much you'd like to think that, nothing justifies a 2010 album placing on a 2009 poll.

I know this was hours ago (the thread keeps reviving!) and seems to refer to an already-held argument, but if the physical album can make it to me ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET before Christmas, it came out in 2009

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Bat for lashes is awwwight. Really though only Daniel and Glass are good on that album. More importantly what was she thinking with that album cover. Bad photoshop to the Nth degree....

Still don't get the love for Taylor Swift at all.

Emily's Cheese, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Who the fuck is Peter Andre for god's sake?

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Man, if only the jerk crew had figured out some consensus picks, we could had maybe two songs in the top 50. Baby Dollz came closest, but there were a few in reach.

Also, had I ordered mine, RichGirl totally would have slipped through at 48 or something.

Alex in Montreal, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:06 (fourteen years ago) link

*heroine, btw. apologies.

lol @ me thinking pockets never hungry and lemonade were gonna show. i didn't even realize "quiet dog" was a single tbh but it is definitely one of the more immediate tracks and pretty much all i play off that record.

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:08 (fourteen years ago) link

The consensus jerk picks were faaaaaaaaaaar from my favorites.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:10 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't think anyone even voted for cold flamez, which was totally my favorite

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

yall post yr ballots in the other thread!

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Honestly, it seems like a bad joke that anything that sounds like that would end up in a top ten list such as this.

you talking about One Day? if so congrats on having a completely opposite brain to me

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Updated Grooveshark playlist:
http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/playlist/ILX+Tracks+2009/24472666

(Sadly missing the original version of "Baby Can't Stop", so you'll have to make do with the Aeroplane remix.)

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:21 (fourteen years ago) link

oh boy, grooveshark is about to take over my life perhaps

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link

so now i wanna know where 'i will come back' and 'spaghetti circus' did actually end up, points-wise.. so i know whether to kick myself or not for not voting

brainfarted on "i will come back", worst was remembering it about 5 mins after i submitted trax ballot. :-(

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Wow, most of you people have dreadfully rubbish taste in music!

Pre-FAP Stout (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Jeremih - Imma Star (Everywhere We Are) (3 votes, 28 points)

me, ship, ???

― rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 6:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ayo

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i wanna know who voted Omar Souleyman... I never in a million yrs imagined that was gonna be 7 votes popular. So glad I nommed it, just for that,

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Wow, most of you people have dreadfully rubbish taste in music!

post yr ballot pato

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I voted for it!!!

xp for Omar S

sleeve, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:11 (fourteen years ago) link

nb we know KBP has not heard I Will Come Back or One Day

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:11 (fourteen years ago) link

dfa need a vini reilly-esque figure

a place to bury st edmunds (electricsound), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't have a particularly good tracks list (though that doesn't stop me from being "ugh" about a lot of the choices here) but I did vote for Omar Souleyman... and 'In the NA' (who was it who was the big repper here? I am sceptical about some of their other stuff, but this particular song is fucking excellent).

emil.y, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:18 (fourteen years ago) link

dfa need a vini reilly-esque figure

russom

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link

*by=my

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I am not really a tracks person either which was why the Omar S really stood out, I listened to those LPs a fair amount in 09.

sleeve, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

am really glad the the constituency of ilm has changed to move away from scandopop-fetishising

this is so not a good thing. i'm beyond disappointed by the lack of el perro del mar and air france in this list.

also- hurray for "one day"! i almost voted for it but went with holy ghost instead, so i'm glad it placed. it's probably the better of those two songs anyhow

psychgawsple, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:52 (fourteen years ago) link

and seriously shameeeee on ilx for not getting "love the night away" somewhere into the top 50

psychgawsple, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^^was a total shock. that, phoenix, and the meanderthals were my summer jamz

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link

hey Musically, you are awesome for running this!

(and while I'm at it please send me my ballot in case you didn't get my previous request)

The Reverend, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link

whoa no meanderthals votes! weird

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Meanderthals album is top ten for me but it would be weird to vote for any one song as a track I think.

Tim F, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 03:03 (fourteen years ago) link

dfa need a vini reilly-esque figure

I hear that.

Pre-FAP Stout (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, they don't really work that way for me. that said, nothing got me in the mood for a warm, sunny day like Kunst or Ars.

xpost

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 03:11 (fourteen years ago) link

all you ocd list guys should catch up with the I Love Games Coint and Plick.
The Third Annual Coint and Plick Poll: ILG’s Best Video Games of 2009 - Part One: #77 through #93

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 03:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Musically: if you've already got those past ILM lists somewhere convenient, would you mind posting that recap of the past ILM polls in its own thread (for future reference)? I don't know how far back you went, but I think it would be great if we could have all those top 50's in one thread.

Cunga, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:06 (fourteen years ago) link

They're upthread right here.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I hear that.

russom

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link

y'know, I'm glad that this board's relationship with mainstream vs. indie is more nuanced and ambiguous now than it was a few years ago, but i really have to say goddamn there's some corny indie fux up in this bitch.

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:36 (fourteen years ago) link

once a song has sold a couple million on iTunes it's kind of moronic to act surprised when 20 people on a message board, no matter what demographic the board represents in your mind, voted for it in a poll

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:37 (fourteen years ago) link

on point of course

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:38 (fourteen years ago) link

no matter what demographic the board represents in your mind

this surely depends on how closely the real demographic matches the one in your head!

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:48 (fourteen years ago) link

ie if blackmetalmurderers.com's forum voted for 49 black metal trax with Taylor Swift at #3, it wouldn't be moronic to say "gosh!". a lot of people have encountered very different ILXes depending on what time period they joined, what boards and even threads they interact with, and what they seek to get out of it.

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:51 (fourteen years ago) link

that said, still keen for Phil to tell us exactly how many songs on this list are shithouse (and how many he's heard)

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:52 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah but this isn't a metal site or whatever, it's a pretty pop- and pitchfork-leaning board, and that's the list you got

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:55 (fourteen years ago) link

and! if that Swift song is the one where she plays two people in the video, I've heard that exactly once; if it's another, I've probably not heard it at all unless J. Brad1ey sang the chorus at me in disbelief that I hadn't heard it. I have no idea how many physical singles Swift has sold of the song, how many albums with it on she's sold in Wal-Mart Exclusive Editions, or how many downloads she's sold on iTunes specifically in the UK; so would any surprise that I expressed not be honestly earned, regardless of the demographics of my falsely-encountered ILX?

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:56 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a pretty pop- and pitchfork-leaning board

not necessarily! what if someone just reads Jazz D-Bags, Rolling Metal, and all Hongro polls? plus best animal friends and look at these fuckin cats.

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:58 (fourteen years ago) link

you don't need to know exact sales figures, but you were aware that she's a pretty big deal, right? (xpost)

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 04:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm aware that some people on ILX/Singles Jukebox like her, so I'm not surprised she's appearing in this poll; apart from that, I know she played the same room here that I've been to to see Art Brut, the Reels, and the bassist from Pink Floyd do stand-up.

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 05:10 (fourteen years ago) link

i wanna know who voted Omar Souleyman... I never in a million yrs imagined that was gonna be 7 votes popular. So glad I nommed it, just for that

I did. No surprise there, I guess. I actually want to say more about Souleyman at some point. I heard that CD for the first time around the same time my PC got clobbered with trojans, 01/01/10, and I never got around to saying anything about it. I really want to be all: "I was listening to stuff like this seventeen years ago [which is true] and this isn't really even an especially good example of it," but actually while I have listened to similar material, I can still see the distinctive appeal in the heaviness of this. Though for something lighter, you might want to try Ali Al-Dik: Ali Aldik: new debka star!

I do have some live Saleh Abdel Gafor stuff I like better, but Dabke 2020 is pretty damn good.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 05:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Also people could check out this thread which I've been throwing some great youtube stuff onto in recent months: Arabic music (not elsewhere classified)

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 05:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm aware that some people on ILX/Singles Jukebox like her, so I'm not surprised she's appearing in this poll; apart from that, I know she played the same room here that I've been to to see Art Brut, the Reels, and the bassist from Pink Floyd do stand-up.

― see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:10 PM Bookmark

I realize this is a US/UK divide thing, but on this side she had the biggest selling album of the year and two of the top 6 in 2008.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 05:29 (fourteen years ago) link

a) no you don't!
b) that would argue in FAVOUR of my point, that different people in the voting bloc and commenting on the thread have widely disparate media experiences
c) ha I just googled and she had the #4 album of the year in my country for '09

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 05:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I've probably not heard it at all unless J. Brad1ey sang the chorus at me in disbelief that I hadn't heard it.

lol

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 06:11 (fourteen years ago) link

xp: fwiw I never heard her until "You Belong With Me" came up on the singles jukebox

The Reverend, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 06:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Mannnnn, these threads always go too fast. Thanks again, musically. I really wanted to keep up this year and listen to all the songs, but my internet is too unreliable for Youtubing as they show up in the thread so I'm trying to DL the backlog and work through from there. Lots of intriguing stuff just going by things with cool names and good video thumbnails.

The #1 is fucking atrocious and I say that as the trolly guy from way upthread who kept complaining about all the elevator music blah songs and liked Trap Goin' Ham best because the guy sounded so happy and upbeat about his grocery business. So I have no problem with catchy pop, it's basically my point of departure, but YBWM bores the hell out of me. If it had come out when I was 16 I would have some kind of fond memory for it a la "Candy" by Mandy Moore or I dunno, "This Kiss" by Faith Hill which I even started a thread about, but I just have no way to relate to this thing. Overexposure to the tedious video did not help either. It's not "for" me, okay, well, I don't have to like it or vote for it then. That's basically how I break it down to an extent.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 06:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Note, the "thanks again, musically" is sincere - i realize it may come off as sarcastic "oh thanks a LOT" in context - but these threads are always such an amazing goldmine for me. Really appreciate it.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 06:42 (fourteen years ago) link

HEY THIS IS JUST WHAT THE "DOCTOR" ORDERED

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/playlist/ILX+Tracks+2009/24472666

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 06:47 (fourteen years ago) link

The person I know IRL whose taste is closest to mine and overlaps almost always also draws the line at Taylor.

It occurs to me that many people have a certain notion of pop music as expressive of a kind of escapist unreality on a musical level which allows them to like R&B, populist dance music, electro-pop, the rap which qualifies as pop, even "Since U Been Gone" style rock-pop, but not Taylor. I was trying to work out what is a single point of distinction which captures this and it occured to me that it might be that Taylor is so antithetical to dress ups. Whether it's Beyonce or Gaga or Kelly Clarkson or Britney there's an extent to which the music or the artist is definitely portraying themselves as larger than life - but even stars that don't fit this description (Annie, say) feel heavily aestheticised, like some thought or intentionality went into the presentation (musically and visually...).

There's an "artlessness" to Taylor which I think bugs a lot of otherwise-pop-listeners - I suspect this is why I hear infantalising put-downs of her from people who wouldn't necessarily say the same of Britney (who still plays with "I'm just a little girl" allusions).

You might say that Taylor does play dress-ups - all the playing with princesses/fairy tales stuff - but even this comes across as somehow pre-pop (and not anti-pop in the way that might render her artlessness indie-friendly or "authentic"), like she hasn't realised that she's the master of her own aesthetic existence yet.

This has basically only just occurred to me so maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like it might explain why Taylor forms a sticking point for a lot of people otherwise into pop, at least above and beyond the "I don't listen to country" issue.

Tim F, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 06:57 (fourteen years ago) link

But Taylor is dressed up as all kinds of characters in the video for this song (and the unconvincingness of those characters is part of the problem, as someone pointed out above - the whole issue that IRL it seems hard to buy that Taylor Swift would be the underdog in this song's scenario)!...

Setting that aside, I don't think she's as naive or unconscious of what she's doing as you suggest, but I don't know much about her beyond this one song. I think it's an interesting argument that you make, but it's not artlessness that gets to me, it's.... I dunno exactly. I have no particular hostility to country but I don't inhabit its landscape and don't know its tropes and techniques well enough to fully "get" the song maybe - I mean "Sk8er Boi" has basically the same plot and I understand that very clearly. It's also annoying in a lot of the same ways that maybe do brush up against annoying ideas of authenticity and ownership of identities - who the fuck is this snotty, conventionally pretty, boring as hell blonde chick to pretend she's an outsider LIKE I ACTUALLY WAS AT THAT AGE??! The problematics of this are probably pretty obvious, but it's definitely at least a part of my resistance to the song.

But honestly, I don't know that there's so much to resist, or that this has to be understood in terms of "why WOULDN'T someone like this song?" It's not the kind of giant-size, hook-jammed ear candy that made me eventually vote for "I Got A Feeling" even though I spent months decrying its unabashed stupidity and dippiness. It's just got the goods. The Taylor Swift song doesn't have that kind of arsenal and it also doesn't tug on my heartstrings or call forth tender memories or do any of the other things that pop does to make me FEEL things. It's just a dull song.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I voted for "You Belong With Me" #1 and I loved it orders of magnitude more than any other 2009 single. That's because of the massive power chorus, whose rush never fails to take my breath away. I can sympathize with the character but that's not important to my love of the song: more important than the underdog character is the throbbing of its narrator's longing, from verse to chorus to verse to bridge, the way a crush ebbs and flows each day, the logic of its hopelessness only driving it further toward climax. I don't know why you don't want me, she says: would she write this song for you? This chorus, that's how strong my love is. But you can't make someone love you, hence the resignation of the title each time.

Euler, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:25 (fourteen years ago) link

you don't need to know exact sales figures, but you were aware that she's a pretty big deal, right?

btw is there anything else that sold a million copies on iTunes this year that isn't on the list?

see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:31 (fourteen years ago) link

It's not the kind of giant-size, hook-jammed ear candy that made me eventually vote for "I Got A Feeling"

it's pretty hook-jammed really -- i've played the video for my 5-yr-old son and my 60-plus parents and gotten positive responses from both ends of the spectrum (plus my contemporaneous sister) -- so i don't think it's a problem of inaccessibility. which doesn't mean everyone has to like it, obviously. but by whatever objective standards there might be out there, it's really a pretty huge pop song. (and it uses one of the all-time great chord progressions, a variation on the G-Em-A-D, except basically it just runs it in reverse -- this is like Pop 101, but it's done well.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:32 (fourteen years ago) link

i can think of one song

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Much as we like Taylor Swift in this house the growing connections to Avril Lavigne need to be recognised.

do you want to be happier? (whatever), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:34 (fourteen years ago) link

really if you add up what she owes to avril and shania, she's practically half-canadian.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:39 (fourteen years ago) link

haa

The Reverend, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:50 (fourteen years ago) link

(btw do a search for "D-A-Em-G" and "taylor swift" and you might think she maybe needs to learn some more chords for the next record...)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:54 (fourteen years ago) link

people care about chords???

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:56 (fourteen years ago) link

People who play guitar, etc. do. Some chord progressions are used over and over again in pop.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:57 (fourteen years ago) link

(and rock and punk and blues and...)

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 07:58 (fourteen years ago) link

ya totally that progression is just beggin for some Cmaj7#5 action

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:02 (fourteen years ago) link

But Taylor is dressed up as all kinds of characters in the video for this song (and the unconvincingness of those characters is part of the problem, as someone pointed out above - the whole issue that IRL it seems hard to buy that Taylor Swift would be the underdog in this song's scenario)!...

Yeah but I think you've misunderstood me - I'm not saying that Taylor doesn't play dress-ups herself, but that the act of dressing up isn't central to her artistic personality. I was invited to a party last weekend where the theme was "Dress up like Lady Gaga". And while LG is an obvious artist to do this for there's a sense in which it applies to a lesser extent to most pop stars. There's a projection of a real sense of style, even if it's not one you'd consciously want to imitate. A party of that sort simply would not work with Taylor Swift. Taylor still conveys the image of a girl going to other dress-up parties. In fact when I saw her live she played with costume very enthusiastically but simplistically, starting off in a dowdy t-shirt and jeans but that ripping them off to reveal a (rather cheap looking) glittery gold sequined slip dress - this was charming but the implication was that she was acting being a pop star, that the entire manouevre was as ridiculous and cheesy and fun as if one of her fans had pulled the same stunt in a karaoke performance.

Underneath those unconvincing dress-up games (and her video clips fall into that category), Taylor portrays a kind of aggressive normality, and fans relate to her in that way, by almost denying that she's a pop star, collapsing the distance between her and them. I see lots of fan comments to the effect of "this song describes my life / happened to me / could be about me!" And while this is a not-uncommon thing for pop fans to say I reckon it characterizes fans' relationship with Taylor to a much greater than extent than can be said about any other big pop star of the moment. And even when people talk about her "craft" as a songwriter, it's with an understandable air of surprise - instinctively, Taylor's songs don't feel like the work of an artist who has skills that you or I don't.

Lady Gaga is never an artist about whom you could say "this describes me life" - her (best) songs rather stake their claim on not possibly being by or about anyone else, they exist within her aesthetic self-construction.

Avril is actually a good point of reference for Taylor, except that Avril also taps (tenuously, skeptics will want to qualify) into a kind of punk-derived heritage of "saying all the things I can't say" - such that i reckon an Avril fan is more likely to perceive Avril as being an inspiration, as setting an example, i.e. not me. Whereas Taylor is like the narrator inside your head who can explain your life in a way that seems clear and neatly articulated and romantic and a little bit wise and also rhyming.

And again this is part of what may be the obstacle for people - the fact that Taylor's music encourages identification with the narrator means that if you feel a strong sense of distance from her characters then you're gonna be turned off, whereas the idea of distance from the character wouldn't be an issue (or might even be a positive aspect) in your relationship with other pop stars.

Tim F, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:16 (fourteen years ago) link

people care about chords???

i know, talking about "music" is boring even on ilm. but if you google even that chord progression without her name, you get three taylor swift songs in the first 20 results. which is sort of interesting. especially since one of them is a 6-year-old better than ezra song i'd never even heard of that she apparently did a cover of at some point. doesn't mean anything in particular, but i think chords are at least as important as lyrics. but even people who talk about music don't talk about them much because they don't have a good vocabulary for it.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:16 (fourteen years ago) link

taylor no.1 worth it for all the head scratching and grousing

cozen, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:20 (fourteen years ago) link

xp- also just, chords are what you make of them and are totally uninteresting until they've been coloured over with melody. reducing a song to its lyrics is unfair, but at least lyrics are their own individual and separate sub-compartment of a song that can be looked at as such. saying "oh that's just a 1-4-5" is meaningless, because chords alone don't say anything about anything. it's like saying "nice white shirt with letters on it" or something.

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:24 (fourteen years ago) link

great post, tim

i want to build on this a bit

Underneath those unconvincing dress-up games (and her video clips fall into that category), Taylor portrays a kind of aggressive normality, and fans relate to her in that way, by almost denying that she's a pop star, collapsing the distance between her and them.

i think taylor is so successful because her music intrinsically breaks down barriers -- or rather, doesn't build up barriers -- that the modern pop fan wants to bypass. even though there is obviously a place for an epic pop star like gaga in the world, i think by and large we want to feel like we are our pop stars' -- and celebrities' -- friends. this is partly why twitter has been able to carve out a huge niche (aside from the breaking news aspect) and it's why tmz is massively powerful in the entertainment world and it's why ustream exists. we want full access to our celebrities, and taylor is able to convey that better than anyone in her music. even though there is a kind of groundswell growing against her reactions to awards, i imagine that it's remarkably endearing to her core fans to see her in shock (or acting in shock, w/e) when she wins a big award, just like it's endearing to see gaga do what she does to people who value that aesthetic in their pop stars.

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, I'd cosign all of that, pretty much. In a lot of ways Taylor comes across like one of those artists whose fanbase is based almost entirely around their blog/myspace/facebook/youtube amateur clips, like that plucky dude from Shortbus - only on a massive scale, but without actually losing the sense of intimacy implied by that model.

OTOH I dont know that we want this "by and large" - more that there's space in our pop hearts for this as well as for gaga, as well as for beyonce etc. In the same way that Taylor herself can simultaneously value the unapproachable boy and the totally approachable best-friend-forever. I think Taylor fills one of several roles we look to pop stars to fill.

Tim F, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim, it's interesting because Taylor Swift is a country crossover star, and I think what you're describing is how country stars are generally recognized by their audiences. Like, what you're saying would have applied to Garth Brooks or Shania Twain (or, reaching further back, Dolly Parton). They all have a "deflationary" sense of stardom. One thing that's different about Swift is that she seems to be more playful with her celebrity; she's aware of her stardom and her songs tend to have a kind of myspace openness to them, like, we're all, including me, the narrator, looking in at my life. This is what makes "Tim McGraw" such a weird (and great) song: she's looking back at her past as though her life is alien even to herself (because our past "us"es are like that to us, in memory), so that we're as much voyeur into her life as she is. And in "You Belong With Me" we all know that a star like her is hard to imagine as the nerd band girl getting ignored by the cheerleader: she's larger than life, how could she be ignored? But the song is aware of this; it's winking at us. In this regard she's more like a pop star of the now than a normal country star like Brooks or Twain.

Euler, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:41 (fourteen years ago) link

BTW, people who find it hard to believe the narrative in YBWM might be surprised to know that Taylor's already done two songs with pretty much the exact same narrative ("Teardrops On My Guitar", "Invisible" - albeit both are weepies) and another two songs that at least fit the narrative in part ("Stay Beautiful", "Hey Stephen"). Which makes me think that she's either had this experience at least once or she's seriously inspired by the idea of it. (all of these bar "Teardrops On My Guitar" are favourites of mine, incidentally, which may be the hidden-inadvertent-gay-teenager-subtext at work? That doesn't occur to me when I'm listening to them, but it's a neat explanation...)

ha ha xpost!

Tim F, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Euler I agree with all of that - I tend to think also that Taylor's songwriting is a bit less formalist than the really big country-pop stars (Garth, or the Garth I'm familiar with at any rate, Shania, Faith Hill say) - which it allows it to seem both more "confessional" and also seem more self-aware. Shania, for example, didn't really invest her songs with that same air of specificity - where her songs get specific, it's metaphorical, one detail standing in for a host of other possible details (Man shirts! Short Skirts! ....So, you're a rocket scientist?). Whereas with Taylor the details matter.

Tim F, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Right, it's the mix of confessional writing that somehow seems "true" (which is pretty par for the course for country songwriting, especially female country songwriting) with self-awareness (which is more an element of pop songwriting nowadays), that's characteristic of Taylor Swift's songwriting.

Euler, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 08:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Off topic, but can someone link the "best of 2000-04" poll results? I'm curious about those results.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 09:35 (fourteen years ago) link

One more "results" just for good measure.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link

poll hit-rate over the years for me...the no of songs i actively like-to-loved, or have basically +ve feelings towards:

2004 - 35/50
2005 - 33/50
2006 - 26/50 (ugh can't believe "crazy" beat "what you know" this year)
2007 - 25/50
2008 - 32/50
2009 - 35/50

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 09:41 (fourteen years ago) link

I found this, but nothing further: End of a half-decade: ILM kinda official Top 100 Albums & Tracks Poll - VOTING OVER (thank heavens)

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 09:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh wait... yay! ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMS

ILM Top 100 2000-2004: TRACKS

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 09:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I love old ILM. Anybody want to do something like this for the 05-09 poll?

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 09:59 (fourteen years ago) link

wouldn't be that hard

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:13 (fourteen years ago) link

COnclusions from this poll: I have been living under a rock/in a different universe for the whole of 2009. Other than Lisztomania, Animal Collective, the XX and a couple of dubstep tracks, I hadn't even heard/heard of the majority of things here. Not even Taylor Swift or 1901 or anything. The 2005 poll is the same - I haven't knowingly heard one track in that year's top ten.

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:35 (fourteen years ago) link

the 2005 top 10 is

1. Amerie - 1 Thing
2. Girls Aloud - Biology
3. Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone
4. Three 6 Mafia ft. Young Buck, 8Ball & MJG - Stay Fly
5. Madonna - Hung Up
6. Gwen Stefani - Hollaback Girl
7. Kanye West ft. Jamie Foxx - Gold Digger
8. Ladytron - Destroy Everything You Touch
9. The Game ft. 50 Cent - Hate It Or Love It
10. Robyn - Be Mine

YOU ARE ACTUALLY TAKING THE PISS. not one of those tracks??!!!

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:37 (fourteen years ago) link

You and me both, matey xp. That's kind of exactly what's cool about it though - a little bit of passion can turn the whole thing upside down. Trax week is a massive boon for me getting 2009 2010 off to a great start. If we had 10,000 people participating, most of the new stuff would get lost in the noise.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:39 (fourteen years ago) link

the only act on the 09 list i hadn't heard of before this was washed out

i mean...it doesn't take much more than basic "paying attention to other people" to have heard of a majority of these artists, even if you don't care for the music

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:40 (fourteen years ago) link

how is there someone on earth that hasn't heard "gold digger"

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:43 (fourteen years ago) link

or "since u been gone"?? i think it should be an automatic perma ban from the board if you haven't heard that song, sorry

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:44 (fourteen years ago) link

did they play exclusively crazy frog over there in 05 or what? sheesh

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Lex - actually now I come to think of it, I've heard Gold Digger and Hollaback Girl. Might have heard the others, but not knowingly.

(Too busy listening to Feels I guess :-p )

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:45 (fourteen years ago) link

not sure you're taking account of the fact that some people have 'other stuff to do', lex

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:45 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost
Still, even if a lot of the stuff in this list isn't my usual taste, I'm glad to be checking it out. My TV aerial's been broken for most of the year and there's no radio in my office so a lot of mainstream stuff goes right over my head. I realise this can be quite amusing to a lot of people I know who see me as a music nerd.

Ismael OTM - I don't stop listening to music, but there's a lot of stuff out there i know i AM going to like, that I don't have time to check out stuff I probably won't. As such, I've gone and downloaded Taylor Swift's album out of intrigue more than anything else, because otherwise I'd have written her off as the next Jewel (or what have you). It's very handy having these polls.

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:50 (fourteen years ago) link

And for once I'm going to applaud Lex for being open minded enough to give things like AC a go, even if he knows he's going to hate it.

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Another thing to take into account is that I listen to a lot of old music. Along with dubstep, I was rediscovering the Beatles back catalogue for instance - something I know Lex definitely didn't. Anyway, enough defensiveness... On with 2010.

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:53 (fourteen years ago) link

the sad thing is, when i first checked out an AC-related thing - the panda bear album from the other year - i really expected to like it, given how people were talking about it, and then THE HORROR :(

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't like Panda Bear's album much tbh. The only thing I think you might perhaps have an infinitesimally small chance of enjoying is the Prospect Hummer EP they did with Vashti Bunyan. AC, I feel are a band who take a while to click, and never will for a lot of people.

Another conclusion I've made from this poll is that a lot of people invest way too much in artists' singing abilities - their ability to sing "well" - almost to a Simon Cowell degree of fussiness. Like the Girls track or Joanna Newsom - sure they're not Mariah Carey, but whatever happened to allowing for idiosyncratic vocals that suit a particular kind of music? It's like moaning about Nirvana because Kurt Cobain doesn't sing like an angel. The Girls track wasn't a great song - it was flimsy, fairly formulaic, like a Lemonheads b-side or something. But complaining about the singing seems a bit redundant to me.

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 11:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Listening to Since U Been Gone - I've heard this before I think. It's absolutely the opposite of what I'd ever want to listen to for fun. Sounds like Pink or Alanis-style commercial pop/rock dressed up in punk clothes. Sorry, not my thing at all.

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 11:10 (fourteen years ago) link

It's not really dressed up much.. just Max Martin doing his thing. (He did it even better with The Veronicas' "4 Ever")

abcfsk, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 11:22 (fourteen years ago) link

even better?

oh my!

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 11:56 (fourteen years ago) link

fuck an 05-09 because Since U Been Gone would probably win it (if not YBWM)

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link

not a fan but those do shed some light. (Kogan and Bradley excluded for overreaching and making me want to vomit.)

Who the fuck is bnw?

saturdayclub, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

whatever happened to allowing for idiosyncratic vocals that suit a particular kind of music?

idk, there are plenty of "idiosyncratic" vocals which seem widely accepted on ilm: fever ray is the most obvious example here, shakira sounds like a hiccuping goat (in a good way!), taylor swift is far from a virtuoso; and more generally, the likes of björk/tom waits/pj harvey rarely get the sort of mockery that girls and joanna newsom did here. maybe dan can pinpoint a more technical reason, but to me joanna newsom (and devendra banhart, lykke li et al) seem really affected and mannered while karin dreijer and björk seem less forced and more natural; while someone like swift makes up for her technical limitations with a conversational tone and great phrasing. i guess it's a case-by-case basis.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:59 (fourteen years ago) link

also, the "idiosyncratic" voices i don't have time for seem mostly to tend towards "sounding like a child" - adults who affect childlike poses are the worst savages to me

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 13:00 (fourteen years ago) link

but i think chords are at least as important as lyrics

lol ie, not that important

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 13:24 (fourteen years ago) link

chords are what you make of them and are totally uninteresting until they've been coloured over with melody. reducing a song to its lyrics is unfair, but at least lyrics are their own individual and separate sub-compartment of a song that can be looked at as such. saying "oh that's just a 1-4-5" is meaningless, because chords alone don't say anything about anything. it's like saying "nice white shirt with letters on it" or something.

taken individually, that's obviously true. but if you look at a songwriter's songs collectively you can see patterns that can be interesting. (dylan's great for this -- a lot of his albums have very distinct chord patterns and keys that give them musical coherence.) in taylor's case, it's just that she obviously has kind of songwriting crutches she relies on, which you'd maybe expect of someone as young as her. but it'll be interesting to see if and how she expands her musical palette along with her lyrical concerns.

xp:

and yeah it's the sum that matters, not the parts. but the parts can help make sense of the sum.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry to keep digging this up, but i honestly think this:
"who the fuck is this snotty, conventionally pretty, boring as hell blonde chick to pretend she's an outsider LIKE I ACTUALLY WAS AT THAT AGE??!"
goes straight to the heart of why taylor gets sniffy attitude from a number of otherwise all-accepting music nerds. And I ain't even fronting, I notice that attitude in myself as well; it's just not productive.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

and the thing is (and not that her biography should matter that much) she pretty much was an outsider -- she spent her whole early adolescence trying to get a record deal. that's a sort of voluntarily outsiderhood, but if it hadn't panned out she would've just been a weird girl who kept taking trips to nashville trying to sell songs.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:09 (fourteen years ago) link

^^ yeah i was pretty tempted earlier to say that, though she's blonde and cute and likes pretty dresses and all, having that consuming an outside hobby during HS basically prevents you from being one of The Popular Girls, which is a pretty time-consuming job in and of itself.

lords of hyrule (c sharp major), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link

She's also said in interviews that before her music star makeover she was the ugly outcast nerd she sings about in her songs.

I don't doubt her actual sincerity but the marketing doesn't really match the material.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link

also, i think having an obvious talent or commitment to a creative pursuit probably marks you out as a bit of a weirdo in most high schools.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:29 (fourteen years ago) link

also, the "idiosyncratic" voices i don't have time for seem mostly to tend towards "sounding like a child" - adults who affect childlike poses are the worst savages to me

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 2:00 PM (1 hour ago)

I agree, but I also think it's completely wrong to put Joanna Newsom in some sort of opposition to the likes of Fever Ray or Bjork. 'Natural' is the least fitting adjective for Karin Dreijer's vocal ticks I could think of. She uses it as a tool to great effect. The mostly female songwriters who grasp for some childlike innocence are posing, trying to come off a certain way that's besides their music. Newsom just has an odd, marmite voice.

abcfsk, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link

That's a good point. My rather good-looking former dance teacher was heavily into ballet when she was younger (to the point where she got to briefly perform with the Pennsylvania Ballet) and she talked about being a social outcast (at least until late high school) partly as a result of that. (By the end of high school people were more like: oh, cool, you get out of taking the classes we have to take because of your dance rehearsals.)

But anyway, in other songs on Fearless (most of them even) she talks about perfectly normal high school experiences (which are alien to me).

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link

x-posts

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah people seriously trying to have it both ways with "ratface" AND "she's too pretty to sing about unrequited love"

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i think the thing is that EVERYONE feels like an outcast in high school; a thousand little cuts, puberty, initial heartbreak, lack of control of your own destiny, shared awkward moments... the girl who ate her own boogers in third grade still had to deal with that as a hs senior. It's a hellish backwater.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link

does it really matter how popular taylor swift was in high school? the song is one big cliche, whether or not she 'lived it'

iatee, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah tbh that's mainly why i feel at an arm's length from her songs -- feels more like she's patterning her narratives off of romantic comedies than anything in her life

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link

plus as pretty as she tends to look, she still has the slightly hunched posture of a tall, gawky girl in most of her pictures!

she strikes me as the equivalent of the blue-stocking, poetry-writing girl most of us probably knew at school; maybe not a total bullied outcast, maybe on the fringes of the Popular Crowd (close enough to be able to speak to the hot sporty boys, at any rate), enough on the fringes to fret about acceptance into it.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I like "You Belong" a lot (it was in my top 20 singles of the year but I ended up bumping it to make room for some album tracks), but really for me it's all about the hook -- musically's right, the character she plays in that song is a total passive-aggressive bitch.

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link

bumping it from my ballot, I mean

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link

not invested enough in the argument to google for old interviews to confirm my recollection but I feel like I read that she was flat-out ostracized and socially tortured in school

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I just like to rhyme.

FRIES! FRIES! FRIES! FRIES! FRIES!, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link

pies and fries, you belong with me because I'm hungry

Euler, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link

tempted to create a Tyra-inspired login named "SMIZE! SMIZE! SMIZE! SMIZE! SMIZE!"

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean for the debate in question i'd say that the ybwm video is more problematic than whatever happened to taylor irl (because honestly who cares?) because the video's idea of making her awkward is giving her big fake glasses to wear along w/her perfect hair and makeup.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

every time you close your eyes, PIES! FRIES! SMIZE! PLIES!

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link

"You Belong with Me" definitely reminds me of some other pop songs along similar lines that I disliked, so I can definitely see the cliche thing, but then it's somehow remarkable to me that she is able to work with that cliche material and somehow make it into something I want to hear. So: it's good because it's a cliche; I have imbibed the Taylor Swift kool-aid.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean for the debate in question i'd say that the ybwm video is more problematic than whatever happened to taylor irl (because honestly who cares?) because the video's idea of making her awkward is giving her big fake glasses to wear along w/her perfect hair and makeup.

I agree 100%, hence my "marketing doesn't match the music" post upthread.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link

the song is one big cliche, whether or not she 'lived it

well yeah - the thing about Swift is she takes absolutely conventional images, archetypes, clichés, and gives them just enough detail that they become vivid and personable and just really likeable. And then there's a whole lot of "she puts the names of REAL PEOPLE in her songs"-type promo, so we get the sense that she in fact IS the archetype.

like forks says, everyone feels ostracised in high school - and I think everyone has moments where they experience being the archetype, even if it's second hand. I say this a lot, but i understand taylor swift songs because i have some empathy and i've watched HS dramas on TV more than because 'she's talking about me'.

lords of hyrule (c sharp major), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link

personable and also likeable! well done there, me.

lords of hyrule (c sharp major), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link

but so it's not quite "marketing doesn't match the music", it's that she's got two different strands of marketing going on that don't quite match?

lords of hyrule (c sharp major), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm very interested in where she goes next--like, ppl are already uneasy about "today was a fairytale" and i'll kind of lol if she releases another album and this is the entirety of her range

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link

lol ie, not that important

For me, chords are way more important than lyrics. Which is not to say that I reduce songs to their chords and judge them on that alone (unless it's like a Chicago-style blues, and I'm like "argh, enough with the tired-ass 12-bar pattern"). But the song's overall harmonic contour (including the relationship of the chords to the melody) is a big part of what I immediately, viscerally respond to when I listen to music.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Taylor Swift in middle school:
http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/youngtaylorswift-500x333.jpg

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link

it's been said already but never enough; when the drums come in on 'fancy' it's like a goddamn space shuttle taking off.

also: this thread finally got me to come around on 'so good'. uncensored version IS u&k.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link

"When you think Clint Black..."

http://oceanup.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/zoom/legacy/2009/02/21/taylor-baby-10.jpg

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link

wait are we really posting photos of preteen taylor swift now?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link

so i'm the only person who likes the drums coming in on Fancy but finds it pretty stupid that they come in with only about 10 seconds left? k

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link

so i'm the only person who thinks "Fancy" is the weak link on the album and that "Right Side" does tender better and the title track(s) do epic better?

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link

^ I actually agree with that, but I wanted to vote for at least one Dream track and Fancy seemed like consensus pick on the voting thread.

lou, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link

that's sad imo, you shoulda voted for the song(s) you like best

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^^

strategic voting in opinion polls ruin them

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:09 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah if only a few people hadn't deliberately left My Girls off it could've been #1

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

misread that as GIRLS for a second and was about to be massively infuriated

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link

some dude- Well, I was just going to vote for the album alone since so many of his tracks were nominated. But then I had room on my tracks ballot for him and figured I ought to throw him a vote since I listened to him so much in '09. I usually like to stick to singles only for my tracks ballot. But Sweat It Out was my favorite of the official singles and I didn't think that would place. So I tried to be strategic and vote for the one I thought would actually make it. Don't get me wrong--I love Fancy so I didn't mind going that route.

lou, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link

so i'm the only person who thinks "Fancy" is the weak link on the album and that "Right Side" does tender better and the title track(s) do epic better?

Nope.

Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link

some dude otm, for fucks sake a tracks poll is not the place to rep for your favorite albums

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link

title tracks are good but nowhere near the best parts of the album

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link

oh I don't think those are the best either -- really I like the uptempo pop jams best but I'm just saying even if I wanna hear the moodier stuff "Fancy" isn't what I go to

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link

which is why "Rockin'" and "Take U Home 2 My Mama" were the ones on my ballot even though I knew there was no way the latter would place

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link

yeahhhhh so taylor swift being fugly as a preteen doesn't improve her music to me in any sense. (I actually sorta like the song but #1 song of the year is pretty lol...regardless, the vote was v. close - are fewer people voting in these polls than previous years?)

iatee, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link

just the opposite, thanks for playing tho

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link

the song's overall harmonic contour (including the relationship of the chords to the melody) is a big part of what I immediately, viscerally respond to when I listen to music.

yeah definitely. and that's why i like all the chord charts you can find online, if i like a tune i think it's sort of interesting to go look at the architecture -- allowing that a lot of those are approximations, obv. sometimes it's just something like with "you belong with me," where it's a sort of well-duh classic pop progression (tho the fact that it's seemingly the exact same progression as in half a dozen other taylor swift songs says something about her songwriting approach and tastes). but with more complex songs it can be illuminating to see exactly which key change happens where, or what pivots or digressions it takes and how it resolves them. if i could read music, i'm sure it'd be interesting too to really look at melodies and harmonies. but the chord patterns and keys at least give a broad outline. and i know there have been whole threads about this, but i wish more music writing got into that kind of stuff more, because i'd find it educational.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link

so i'm the only person who thinks "Fancy" is the weak link on the album and that "Right Side" does tender better and the title track(s) do epic better?

some dude- Oops. I just realized I misread the first part of what you said here. I don't think Fancy is the weak link on the album. I do agree with the latter part of your statement though.

lou, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm feeling a little slow, but what was the actual placing of the Taylor Swift song in this poll? It looks like from the points (assuming that wasn't a joke too) that it was #2, and "Boyfriend #2" was #1 and everything else should move down one place. Is that correct?

o. nate, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link

oh OK -- i was pretty o_O at the idea that you voted for what you thought was the weakest track just out of support for the album

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link

"Boyfriend #2" was a joke post, "You Belong" was the real #1 and "Daniel" the real #2

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, OK. Got it now. Thanks.

o. nate, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link

he probably won't see it but steve shasta OTM way way upthread linking to Scraper by Liquid Liquid as being a tuned percussion banger like Inflation.

ogmor, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link

so i'm the only person who thinks "Fancy" is the weak link on the album and that "Right Side" does tender better and the title track(s) do epic better?

― PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 10:00 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i agree with this, but i didn't vote

horseshoe, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't think "fancy" is a weak link per se, it's pretty great, but it doesn't blow my mind the way "right side" does, so i voted accordingly.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Good NYT piece on Taylor's loss of innocence and her challenges ahead:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/arts/music/02taylor.html?ref=music

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Some pretty great posts on Swift. Just a few things I'd chime in on - -

I agree with this:

i mean for the debate in question i'd say that the ybwm video is more problematic than whatever happened to taylor irl (because honestly who cares?) because the video's idea of making her awkward is giving her big fake glasses to wear along w/her perfect hair and makeup.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:43 AM Bookmark

...especially the "because honestly who cares" - I'm not invested in the biography, I haven't read an interview, and until someone mentioned it above I didn't realize "Teardrops On My Guitar" (which just absolutely annoyed he hell out of me on a daily basis at work last year) was the work of the same person. So I don't really know what her star-text is to be honest, and I'm reacting basically to the song/video by itself and the associations it provokes. And those have a lot to do with:

yeah tbh that's mainly why i feel at an arm's length from her songs -- feels more like she's patterning her narratives off of romantic comedies than anything in her life

― PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:37 AM Bookmark

OTM. Someone else mentioned that they could relate to the song b/c they'd watched a lot of HS movies. I'm a bit baffled by all the references to "specific detail" that makes the narrative seem more real - it feels so totally off-the-shelf. To me, anyway.

Lady Gaga is never an artist about whom you could say "this describes me life" - her (best) songs rather stake their claim on not possibly being by or about anyone else, they exist within her aesthetic self-construction.

I think this is going a bit far. I do basically buy your premise here - Taylor Swift is your best friend who helps you sort out your situation by reminding you of stuff you already know, and Lady Gaga is definitely NOT that. But I think the fandom for her is still more visceral than you suggest, for many people... if Swift is best friend, Gaga is platonic girl crush. People want to BE her because she's so COOL and gets away with doing strange and wonderful things that you are too shy and ordinary to do (until you go to college and join some burlesque troupe or whatever). The details of what those things are - the bewildering forest of her "aesthetic self-construction" - provide lots of interest and give you something to link to almost daily on Facebook ("Grammy dress! heart gaga").... but people think she's *awesome*, not just intellectually interesting, etc.

Besides, I mean, again setting aside star-texts just for the moment, look at the songs - "Eh, Eh" for example is almost completely lacking any arch-ness and irony, and the dress-up for the video is familiar imagery of hyper-Little-Italy-land, about as elaborate as Swift putting on nerd glasses. The narrative is a completely straightforward romantic situation - she had a nice romance going, met somebody else, is excited about this somebody else, and is still kinda bittersweet about having to say goodbye to the other person. That story is WELL-worn, lyrics aren't anything to write home about... but I'll go ahead and say that it feels more real and relatable to me than the Swift songs. The song didn't chart and this isn't the thread for it, but for me it's all in the title/hook - there's a lot of lived experience packed into those dismissive "Eh"s that just clicks with me. I've been there.

Or "Pokerface," which I dunno if this got run into the ground upthread, but this is a song about pretending to enjoy sex when it's kinda ehh and you'd rather be with someone else. (A woman, it turns out, but that's not heavily implied in the lyrics.) Not saying Swift has to write songs about fucking to get a "serious songwriter" pass - just that I think a lot of people who like this song like it because it's an experience they can very directly relate to. Plenty more may like it just because of the great chorus and the funny pu-pu-pu-poker face hook (that's where I got on board anyway) but the material is a TOTAL "real life" situation.

OK, I'm ILXing straight through breakfast hour..when I get back I fully expect five hundred posts on the Black Eyed Peas to have pushed this hopeless ramble completely off the page!

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I love "Fancy" but listening to it w/o leading right into "Right Side of my Brain" sounds like absolute torture. Those two are just inseparable to me.

Moreno, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

sory Doc, I think instead we're gonna argue some more about Joanna Newsom

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

...and from 2-2:30, aerobics w/vampire weekend

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

tbh they're asking for that to happen when they ask the big winner to pose w/ all the statuettes at once -- at least give 'em a table to stand behind or somethin

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

although if i was ever up for that many awards at an event like that, i'd spend weeks mastering the art of juggling, so i could totally blow everyone's minds at the press conference photo op

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Lady Gaga is never an artist about whom you could say "this describes me life" - her (best) songs rather stake their claim on not possibly being by or about anyone else, they exist within her aesthetic self-construction.

i missed this but imo it's totally wacky--a tune like "just dance" is about a generic/universalist going out and partying thing that is supposed to appeal to everyone but really just reminds me of suburban girls going to tacky downtown bars.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link

kind of lolling btw at Ke$ha's blatant "Just Dance" imitation "Tik Tok"

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Just catching up. A few thoughts on various things:

Re: 'Fancy'

It's not a weak link at all, but I also think it needs 'Right Side of My Brain'. I guess I'm just a fan of payoff and that's why I voted for the latter. This is similar to a Four Horseman-->I'm Not Down situation.

Re: voices

Agree that it's not really about idiosyncratic voices. The Lykke Li thing is a great example. I really didn't care for her album, but in the right context, the affected voice worked really well (specifically in Kleerup's "Until We Bleed", which is phenomenal).

Re: Taylor and her media presentation.

I think ragging on a young pop star for her media presentation is a bit silly. She's being marketed by a record company, so of course they'll doll her up and give her the token nerd glasses because that's what America does. It's a bit like not wanting to see a movie based on a trailer, which is pretty stupid imo.

In regards to her lyrics, I think whatever she intended to get across isn't as important as what I take from her songs. 'Love Story' still has a tragic ending imo, and all the passive-aggressive stuff in 'YBWM' is an interesting insight into the character/persona/whatever. I haven't heard an artist reveal so much about the teenage psyche in a long time. (Avril as inspirational etc... OTM upthread) Whether you care about the teenage psyche is another matter, but it's interesting to me.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link

It's a bit like not wanting to see a movie based on a trailer, which is pretty stupid imo.

how the hell is this stupid

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Like, isn't that the entire purpose of a trailer? To make you want to see a movie? If you find nothing attractive or interesting about the trailer, why on Earth would you feel any obligation or desire to see the movie?

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

okay, stupid is harsh. I get that it's a necessary evil, but trailers are made by marketing firms separate from the filmmakers most of the time, and they're designed to highlight the most populist/marketable aspects of a film. e.g. Master and Commander is far more than Russel Crowe shouting and staring at exotic women but you wouldn't know that from the trailer.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

trailers often willfully misrepresent a film just to get people to go see it. on top of that, there's the whole 'not what movie's about but how it's about it' thing.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, but once a musician or a filmmaker has consented to letting marketing machinery control their project's public image, you can't just fully blame the image on the machinery -- it's just working with the raw material the artist handed them, or convinced the artist to go along with

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm not fully blaming it on the machinery, but 'consenting' is often 'we're paying for this, do what we say'. lots of filmmakers have aired their dissatisfaction with how their films have been promoted, but that's the price you pay.

swift is a commodity, and it isn't surprising that she's sold in a pretty standard form.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I love "Fancy" but listening to it w/o leading right into "Right Side of my Brain" sounds like absolute torture. Those two are just inseparable to me

supposed to be a video being made for 'Fancy' wasn't there? curious to see how the music would be cut at the end if so (more drums and piano!).

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link

The last trailer I saw that wholly misrepresented what the movie was about was this one:

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi234684697/

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

really not as awesome a date movie as that trailer would lead you to believe

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link

lolling at that.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link

The problem is that we're talking about a pop single here, so if you've seen the trailer, you've seen the movie, right? Like, I think having watched the video for "You Belong To Me," I've also heard the song "You Belong To Me." The marketing is part-and-parcel with the content and it seems sort of hopeless to separate them and say "Oh yeah, everything that's grating and stupid about that song is an artificial thing that The Company put on there."

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link

"I know we've been dating for a few months, do you want to go see this awesome romantic comedy with Meg Ryan and Andy Garcia? Maybe afterwards we can hit some parties and get shitfaced!"

20 minutes into the movie, part 2 of the plan seemed like a VERY BAD IDEA

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link

not seen this then

xpost

you're right doctor, in that you do hear the song, but being critical of it based on the video is the wrong way to go about it imo

xpost

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

er - "You Belong With Me" that is. Obviously, the Carly Simon song is an entirely different matter.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link

"Fancy" video was cancelled btw

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link

hahahaha wtf at that trailer

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

shit, i take that back. that is pretty much the perfect representation of that film.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

basically I'm sitting here like "where is the Rifftrax"

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Dan, you don't know about the cult of "The Room"?
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20246031,00.html
http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-room,25723/

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm not fully blaming it on the machinery, but 'consenting' is often 'we're paying for this, do what we say'. lots of filmmakers have aired their dissatisfaction with how their films have been promoted, but that's the price you pay.

swift is a commodity, and it isn't surprising that she's sold in a pretty standard form.

― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:11 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

now, artists don't tend to get into the "the label made me do it" blame game until years later, and even then only if it backfires or they undergo a big change of direction, so it'll be a while before we have any idea if that's the case with Taylor -- but it seems like you're working with the premise that she's being willfully misrepresented by her media presence by being pretty and glamorous in videos. sure, she'd be really average-looking and maybe even tomboyish if she was just another high school/college student, but i don't know what game you're running here other than desperately trying to counter the (admittedly nonsensical) "she's too good-looking to play the shy nerd" argument.

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

As one of the people offering that argument, let me say that the problem isn't so much that she's too good looking to play the shy nerd, but that overall, the portrayal of shy nerd is really unconvincing. It just dosn't ring true...dunno whether that's because they just stuck big glasses on her (blame the video production) or because the song just doesn't have the much-hyped specificities that would make it feel convincing as a situation that happened to actual people not currently playing roles in a high school movie or an unimaginative music video.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean she's a young skinny blonde who's being "sold in a pretty standard form" as... a young skinny blonde. it's not like they got her a tit job and a performing alias, they just got her some good hair and makeup people and some pretty dresses. (xpost)

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

my problem is really arguments like doctor casino's right there: what does the quality of the video have to do with the quality of the song itself?

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link

i just don't think 'this song is shit because look at her!' is very good argument.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

oh dan, you need to see the room

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

if you guys recall this started as a discussion of essentially the authenticity of taylor writing an outcasty teenage pop song and whether it felt "real" enough or whether it was too "generic" and some ppl were using evidence from her actual life and other people were using evidence such as that video

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link

so um yeah no one ever said it was a bad song because look at her

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a bad song because I don't belong with her! she's not my type at all!!

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link

hahahah

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah but you know what i mean

xposts

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost cosign the lols.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I love "Fancy" but listening to it w/o leading right into "Right Side of my Brain" sounds like absolute torture. Those two are just inseparable to me.

― Moreno, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 4:35 PM (40 minutes ago)

i can see how someone might think this but nah. fancy is the heart of this album, yall are just blinded by the light

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I think I just hit a wall of Taylor fatigue by the time "You Belong To Me" came out. If I look at it objectively, I can see a lot of the qualities that cause people to elevate it. However, by the time I heard it, I was already so tired of "Teardrops on My Guitar" and "Love Story" that my default reaction was "ugh not another mopey teenage love song" and that's never really gone away.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link

But really though, the problem with the song - or rather, A problem with the song - is a credibility gap between the story she's telling and the way the contents of the song and its presentation in video suggest no familiarity with the world the song is supposed to inhabit. The video compounds the lack of detail/color/verisimilitude which already hobbles the song. It *doesn't* feel convincingly high school to me, it *doesn't* feel like the life of an outcast or whatever. Or at least not *my* life as an outcast which is obviously a different thing, but still. Maybe she has in fact lived it, okay, well she's not very good at translating it into song then. Sorry Taylor.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i can see how someone might think this but nah. fancy is the heart of this album, yall are just blinded by the light

― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it might be, but i can enjoy the album without particularly liking its heart. let me see the booty!

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

kind of lolling btw at Ke$ha's blatant "Just Dance" imitation "Tik Tok"

― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:54 AM (31 minutes ago)

gotta adress teh rongness here:

"just dance" firstly is in no way relevatory or original in any way/shape/form and secondly "just dance" feels straight up euro (spanish/dutch) dance with the obligatory "do-do-doo"s c/p'd straight out of "Blue" or a Milky track matched with the finesse of '00s No Doubt OC disco flavor.

"tik tok"s beat feels more american dance (ie, rhythmic/synocopated, eh "funky" or "SLAMMIN")... although I admit that I like it because it reminds me of an updated take on the breakdown of "Music Sounds Better With You". "tik tok"'s vox on the verses are way more hip-hop inspired (almost crabcore-esque in content, which appeals to me a lil) whereas "just dance" is pure Stefani.

i don't want to get into the semantics of gaga vs. ke$ha's images/brands because frankly both girls are probably super annoying IRL and I get enough of that with Jersey Shore tbf.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Tik Tok and Just Dance sound alike? I am not hearing that at all.

musically, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost

musically, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Doctor Casino do you yell at the TV when She's All That comes on? were you disappointed that Revenge of the Nerds wasn't a documentary?

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Fancy/RSOMB was the only case i came across last year where the smooth segue into the next track occurs. what are some other examples from 2009?

it does bug me a bit because why split the tracks up at all on the CD? i never really liked this practice on an album (different for actual mix comps). also the cash register intro...anyone ever get that coming up on itunes shuffle? lulz

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't relate to YBWM at all, but I still think it's great.

Also that Doctor Casino argument is what I was getting at with all the video nonsense.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link

now why on earth would someone draw a connection between synth-heavy lead-off singles from blonde female pop singers about how they get totally blitzed and dance all night

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link

man you guys can make music seem a whole lot less interesting than it actually is

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link

(IOW I am talking thematic similarity, not musical similarity)

xp: then leave

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link

your display name etc.

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Doctor Casino do you yell at the TV when She's All That comes on? were you disappointed that Revenge of the Nerds wasn't a documentary?

― PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:43 PM Bookmark

No, but...what's your argument here? The song must be convincing and identifiable-withable because its tropes are recycled from "She's All That"?

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link

If you don't find the lyrics in the song relatable, and you feel that to be a problem, then fine. The video is designed to appeal to a mass audience using recycles genre tropes because that's what videos do.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link

recycled*

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link

now why on earth would someone draw a connection between synth-heavy lead-off singles from blonde female pop singers about how they get totally blitzed and dance all night

― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:45 AM (4 minutes ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tGEYHKGWSE

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I think everyone and their grandmother has already done the "Gaga is nu-Madonna" thing

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:53 (fourteen years ago) link

hey dude, you brought up imitations (rongly imo), just trying to show "tik tok" some love round here cuz it's so hated.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I like Taylor Swift OK and I voted for "Love Story". Regardless of 'authenticity', or the video (which I haven't seen), though, YBWM just feels too ... obvious and cliched to me, like too much of a direct repetition of generic tropes from teen movies. (And I agree with Dr Casino here that some type of distinctive detail could help here.) Even "He was a punk/She did ballet" strikes me as a less obvious situation than "She wears short skirts/I wear T-shirts/She's cheer captain/ And I'm on the bleachers". (Also, it sounds kind of like a skipping rhyme or something.)

chords are what you make of them and are totally uninteresting until they've been coloured over with melody.

I totally disagree!

Sundar, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link

(I missed some posts so all these points may have been raised already.)

Sundar, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link

hey dude, you brought up imitations (rongly imo), just trying to show "tik tok" some love round here cuz it's so hated.

I love "Tik Tok", too!

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Admittedly, I like "Love Story" mainly for its melody and delivery rather than its lyrics anyway. (The mandolin is a nice touch too.)

Sundar, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

more love for tik tok here.
still somewhat undecided on the album; DINOSAUR is kinda mind boggling. bonus points for naming a song "party at a rich guy's house"

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

i was watching the video for tik tok on tv and my sister said "i bet that girl is always drunk" and ive liked it since

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link

No, but...what's your argument here? The song must be convincing and identifiable-withable because its tropes are recycled from "She's All That"?

― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:47 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

It wasn't an argument of any kind, just an observation that you seem preoccupied with whether Swift's depiction of Nerd Life resonates with your real experiences as a Nerd American.

PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, I mean, we're an oppressed minority don'tcha know. Gotta call it out when we get co-opted.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

it's actually you that seems preoccupied with it xpost

jed_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

oh snap you blew my mind ;_;

some dude, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

so it escaped my mind that I have to go to the office tomorrow...my best guess is albums will start Monday.

musically, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link

don't sweat it!

(phew i'm all deadlined up til monday then will be relatively FREEEE to er sit on the internet and argue about last year's albums)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Lex will you still argue if the metal mafia bloc got together and got 15 albums in the top 50? ;)

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Could always do 60-51 on Friday... ?

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

we usually just do top 50 iirc

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

think i'd just be bored and do some work

xp

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Another conclusion I've made from this poll is that a lot of people invest way too much in artists' singing abilities - their ability to sing "well" - almost to a Simon Cowell degree of fussiness. Like the Girls track or Joanna Newsom - sure they're not Mariah Carey, but whatever happened to allowing for idiosyncratic vocals that suit a particular kind of music? It's like moaning about Nirvana because Kurt Cobain doesn't sing like an angel. The Girls track wasn't a great song - it was flimsy, fairly formulaic, like a Lemonheads b-side or something. But complaining about the singing seems a bit redundant to me.

― dog latin, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 3:06 AM Bookmark

I think a lot of people here, myself included, are only using the rubric of "does this annoy the shit out of me or no?" and not some only-known-to-professionals-like-Dan-and-Simon argument about technique. You are really building some strawmen here.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno i tend to agree with dog latin here, i mean i believe you that that's what you mean, but when you get all "wtf is this contrived squaking" it sounds like a lot of you are bringing stuff like this as if it were totally objective

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

we usually just do top 50 iirc

Yeah, I was digging for an extra ten...

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I think it's kind of hilarious that both of his examples feature me either going "this entire thing is a bag of shit" (GIRLS) or "lol wtf lol lol lol" (Joanna Newsom); I think the only detailed vocal criticism someone I wrote was about Dirty Projectors and that was in response to someone asking me to explain my gripe about their tuning. (btw the rest of that song is proving to be catchy enough for me to ignore my tuning gripes)

xp: That's because you are projecting thought processes onto people. Instead of taking "I can't stand that voice" comments at face-value, or taking my comments about a person's inability to hit a note or sing in tune as the end-all/be-all metric by which I evaluate music as opposed to one segment of what I hear, you are essentially inventing a whole bunch of insulting bullshit about the people who are saying they don't like some of this stuff.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno i tend to agree with dog latin here, i mean i believe you that that's what you mean, but when you get all "wtf is this contrived squaking" it sounds like a lot of you are bringing stuff like this as if it were totally objective

what

the

fuck?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link

we usually just do top 50 iirc

Yeah, I was digging for an extra ten...

There's definitely enough albums to do more, and it would mean some albums that slipped under the radar would get noticed BUT, speaking as someone who just ran a Metal Poll Top 100, IT IS A FUCKLOAD OF WORK, and Musically posts the rundown from her work and I don't think even an extra ten would be possible.

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

xp: ppl should stop having opinions, especially if they could hurt someone's feelings, amirite

The Reverend, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link

she posts all of the runners up after anyway.

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

btw hi dere u r being a total psycho to me

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link

i know this is going to make me even less popular than i already am on this board, but i really can't kid myself into thinking that i'd rather hear someone who sounds "like a goose being put through a garlic press" (granted, that had me rofling), than someone whose pitch-perfected melodyne-melismated vocal-stylings have me falling asleep with their genericness. i guess i'll never fully understand poppism...

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link

most of the people reacting negatively to girls/animal collective/newsom/whoever like a ton of "unconventional" vocalists, so accusing people of needing someone to sound like mariah carey (as if her voice isn't shot to rags these days) or indeed pitch-perfect in any way just seems incredibly dumb.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link

do you guys wanna show me again where dan suggested that he was listening to singers "the right way" and the rest of us were doing it wrong?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i think its weird that the response to me misreading u is to completely strawman me tho

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Lex playing the "I like Tom Waits" card once again... ;-)

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

does "card" = valid point now?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

as not the biggest fan of x's and o's style criticism myself i nevertheless think we can stop making this thread about what dan did or didnt say

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

it's worth noting that the reigning singing style -- american idol, post-whitney, studio-mariah, r&b machine, whatever you want to call it -- is its own kind of historical peculiarity. it's "weird" the way any given singing style is weird, it's just really really popular.

goole, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

also i think its okay to have a conversation where you bring certain points into play by misreading somebody's position, just bc i didnt get what u were saying right doesnt mean you have to shoot me down and be like mean abt it, like it would have been interesting to me if you had tried to be more nuanced but like i suppose i am just imposing on ur time

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe I'm just a bit sick and tired of the anti-indie reflex that has always been put about on ILX. Often it feels like if it has indie-vocals or a non-pop strategem, everyone's all "LOL, this sucks I hate it", which I could also say about maybe 70% of major-studio pop .

I'll shut up about it now cos it's going to get me nowhere. I've learnt a great deal from this thread, but I'm looking forward to seeing some stuff I actually did listen to in 09 on the albums list.

dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess i am bemused that in a list of 50 tracks, a) there was only one meat-n-potatoes throwback indie song in it, b) it turned out to be Girls, and c) just about everyone participating in the thread hated the song.

that's just funny, in a statistical-accident kind of way

goole, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

it's worth noting that the reigning singing style -- american idol, post-whitney, studio-mariah, r&b machine, whatever you want to call it -- is its own kind of historical peculiarity.

this style isn't even particularly dominant on the list, which features a pretty wide range of vocalists. i don't know what dog latin is complaining about. surely it's obvious that newsom and the girls singer have fairly marmitey voices? like, i've never got butthurt that some people can't get past björk's occasional screeching.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

also the main point i was orig trying to make was that the imperfection of the vocals is like a big part of the point of the song. there's another song on the alb called useful chamber where the girls sing a melody in this really grating harmony and then sing it again in this pads-style almost electronically soft way. Like i think criticizing it on technical tuning grounds is missing the point as much as 2 use an example you urself brought up "ew macy gray is way gravelly"

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link

in my experience people get pretty "LOL, this sucks i hate it" about just about anything that gets posted in a thread like this. obviously there are a lot of indie-haters around but nearly every song on the list got shat on by at least a few people.

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

see i definitely don't agree that an artist's personal singing/playing style or choices are sacrosanct - i just think there are a lot better ways of expressing why something is unpleasant than resorting to s/he's-hitting-this-note-right or this-chord-change-is-boring x's and o's geirdom

xp plax

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i agree, but i don't think you can really criticise something without referring to context

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

like someone said "appropriating rnb vocals but without the necc chops is a bad idea and here's why i think so" it would be a more coherent crit

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link

samosa otm, shit gets flung from all sides at all angles around here, and the cats who adopt this indie persecution complex like they're on a witch trial for liking GAPDY or whatever need to either flee to a message board that's 100% indie rock talk, or get used to the fact that it's only like 60% on this one

some dude, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link

can i make the point that i havent hated on anything

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link

well good on you

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link

ikr you already made a big deal about liking everything, whatever that means

some dude, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link

The BEP song was almost as universally reviled as the Girls one, and that's about as far from indie as you can get.

o. nate, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link

proud to be milquetoast!

xp: yup

The Reverend, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i agree it's unnecessary to talk about music theory on a board like this, but what is the point of even caring if a professional chorist with perfect pitch doesn't like dirty projector girls for being a quarter of a step off? i cannot, for the life of me, give a shit, and neither should you plaxico.

samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

its not that i dont care tho, im just frustrated bc i think that dan obv knows a lot of stuff that would be really interesting and illuminating wrt to how craft might operate within contexts where ppl dont normally think abt it so much, but i just feel like here, even if he doesn't intend it (and he can blast me all he wants for strawmanning him here but like im just going on what he's saying and he isn't partic interested in setting me straight besides telling me im wrong for reasons that obv aren't clear to me /tuomas)

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i meant to finish that it just feels like hes bringing his perspective to bear as more a set of prejudices than something useful

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Dan's dp (lol) comments have been among my favs on this thread.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

imo dan has one of the more rigid and dogmatic approaches to music of anyone on this board, w/o being a total unself aware geirbot about it, but considering how long and how often he's posted here, nobody should really have a problem w/ reading his posts that way and taking his opinions on those terms. anyway so few people know the slightest bit about the area he's so well educated in (myself included) so i usually appreciate him bringing the vocal technique pedant perspective.

some dude, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link

because really lots of people here can be just as stubborn and immovable about much more arbitrary things without really knowing shit about shit

some dude, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

otm

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

seconded

The Reverend, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

thats fine, the reason i was gettin all snipeylike was bc i was actually interested in hearing him have an opinion that was more coherently connected with what he was talking abt. Like im all for immovable and contrary opinions and i totes agree that if we were all sliding around on some scale with no biases etc to base ourselves on then there would be no position to speak 4om.

Like I take your point and all tho

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

im glad nobody knows that im a singer so that when i say "holy fuck that lady cant sing" peeps dont get all freaked out and indignant

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

FYI i am biased against unicorns

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

that girls song is still really awesome btw

Lamp, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

The thing that's kind of hilarious to me about this whole argument is that a group of ppl asked me to explain what I was talking about, I did, and then an entirely unsurprising completely different group of ppl started going "oh shut up about perfect singing, no one cares" when, you know, the point I was making wasn't really about perfect singing as much as it was explaining what I was hearing, how I was reacting to it, and what change would be necessary to get rid of that reaction.

I don't think they are trying to make a name for themselves via microtuning (ie, singing intervals smaller than half-steps) so I don't buy that as part of their aesthetic; even if it is, they aren't very consistent about sticking to it so I'd still find their execution lacking. There's clearly some level of R&B-style vocal proficiency being flaunted here otherwise the vocal line wouldn't have as many melismas in it. The harmonization choices are decidedly not-R&B and are very cool in theory, I just wish they were in tune.

Having said all that, as I mentioned several posts ago and stated when I first heard the song, I like the other components of that song a lot and they've started winning me over to it.

So IKR, the thing I'm reacting to here is that you are taking one negative thing that said about a song and extrapolating that into a blanket condemnation of the song, then contrasting that to a gut-level reaction to the wholly bizarre Joanna Newsom where I was still too busy laughing to say much one way or the other about her vocally to say I am attempting to have my cake and eat it to regarding vocals, when the simple truth is that I don't have one rigid standard to which I hold singers (outside of a baseline "that sounds like it really hurts, hope you can sustain yr career" opinion re: vocal production); it does actually vary based on genre, context within genre, and what I think I can discern of the artist's intent. Most of this is me using musical vocabulary to express an emotional reaction ("I like this"/"I hate this"); some of this is me acknowledging talent when I don't like the end result, or recognizing where someone is breaking conventional singing wisdom but doing something I like.

I am really tired of people acting like I am attempting to legislate what they are supposed to like and dislike when I talk about singing, or answer people's questions about singing technique. I'm talking about what I like and what I don't like, just like everyone else.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

good post

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

tl;dr

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

(and another reason why I don't make posts like that very often is that I mostly post when I am waiting for something to run or compile, so I try to be curt more than I try to be expansive, so sorry for not fully fleshing out why I was reacting so negatively earlier)

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

i still remember listening to front line assembly with dan and how he would drone on about the majesty of the lead singers technical acumen, dont believe his lies

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link

hey dont knock bill leeb

Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

(I will totally cop to being dogmatic about "if you are a pop/r&b singer, than you should be able to sing like one" tho, because it irritates the shit out of me when ppl who can't carry a basic tune make careers out of being singers, but even there it's not a hard-and-fast dogma, ie by that logic I should hate Lumidee, but I don't.)

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, like i said i was genuinely trying to engage you in being more expansive, and tbh i was making my point in a really confused way that ended up conflating what i was understanding from you with a general feeling i get abt ppl using "weird" styles of singing as a way to be dismissive of them.

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

haha I wish, in these discussions, that more people knew/would remember that I am a massive industrial head and my favorite band features vocals by Robert Smith, or that I've spent most of the past year talking about how amazing The Knife/Fever Ray is, as that might ratchet down the dogma accusations somewhat; I don't have a problem at all with "weird" styles if I think they work

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

^^this is what i keep saying when people accuse me of wanting everyone to sing like m.carey

i always totally appreciate dan's professional pov, obviously - can be really useful to learn what technical reasons may be behind my like/dislike of a voice - though when it comes to points of disagreement like cassie or ciara i just ignore them.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

yah but in the partic case of this dirty projectors i think they do work, like i think the point is that its got a flavour of mainstream rnb pop vocals abt it, but i mean they're obv comparatively ragged and strained but like equally the music is more anemic and dischordant than most rnb tries to be, also like, it is indie rock

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I wouldn't call the music "anemic" at all; that beat is very strong and not really all that indie to me. In fact, not having heard anything else by them, I would not have blinked twice had someone told me that they were a British R&B group who'd listened to a lot of RZA and Prince Paul productions.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

my favorite band features vocals by Robert Smith

Prince & the Revolution features vocals by Robert Smith? That's news to me!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Totally kidding, Dan, obviously you were referring to Korn + Robert Smith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67BXnd8vNuM

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

see the funny thing about all of this is that the most bothersome thing about the DP song is the wheedly guitar twinkles in the first half, which were driving me slowly mad

rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

(xp) Like, maybe it has a completely different effect in the context of their other songs, but on its own there is nothing self-consciously indie rock about "Stillness Is A Move" to my ears in terms of how the music sounds, how it's arranged, the way the voices sound or the lines they're singing. Maybe in the way the reverb on the drums is recorded; they're a little on the crisp side compared to most R&B/hip-hop productions I can think of at the moment.

This is way more "classical music nerds do R&B" to me than "indie kids do R&B", which likely colors how I react to the singing.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm kind of scared to even write out Prince, maybe John took that away from me, too ;_;

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

^_^ yay

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

This is way more "classical music nerds do R&B" to me than "indie kids do R&B", which likely colors how I react to the singing.

― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:44 PM (2 minutes ago)

is pretty otm tho, i mean the rest of the album is "classical music nerds do a talking heads covers album"

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

also if u heard the guy singing you wouldnt really be hating on the chicks voices one bit in comparison

plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFdZH9R1n-4&NR=1

I haven't heard him sing a note yet and I want to kill him

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Joanna Newson vs. Dave Longstreth FITE!!!1

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Newsom* obv.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

What is very strange about this thread is that with all the shit being thrown around, Bob Dylan can walk straight through the middle of it singing a fucking song about Santa and no-one bats an eyelid.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

that's because Bob Dylan is fucking awesome

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i really thought he was gonna take his hat off at the end of that vid, and it would turn out the hair was attached in a cunning hairhatwig style.

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

enjoyed dr. c (&others) running down their first impressions btw, don't think i said that upthread

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I think this is going a bit far. I do basically buy your premise here - Taylor Swift is your best friend who helps you sort out your situation by reminding you of stuff you already know, and Lady Gaga is definitely NOT that. But I think the fandom for her is still more visceral than you suggest, for many people... if Swift is best friend, Gaga is platonic girl crush. People want to BE her because she's so COOL and gets away with doing strange and wonderful things that you are too shy and ordinary to do (until you go to college and join some burlesque troupe or whatever). The details of what those things are - the bewildering forest of her "aesthetic self-construction" - provide lots of interest and give you something to link to almost daily on Facebook ("Grammy dress! heart gaga").... but people think she's *awesome*, not just intellectually interesting, etc.

This was ages ago but, firstly, me saying that Gaga's greatness is premised on the unmistakeable Gaga-esque-ness of her aesthetic isn't the same as saying people can't have an emotional and personal connection with her - and i basically agree with everything above.

Secondly, yeah, a friend chided me by saying "but isn't "Just Dance" about a totally relateable IRL situation" and it is, which is one of the reasons I qualified my comment by saying "(best) songs" - I think that Gaga has improved immensely perhaps precisely because she has cut the awkward ties between her larger-than-life persona and her initial run of relateable ordinary-experience pop songs; this is the big difference b/w "Just Dance" or "Eh Eh" and basically everything on The Fame Monster.

Tim F, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Re "Stillness Is The Move", I heard it before I'd read or heard anything about it, and while it struck me as the work of an indie group with their ears open, it would never have occurred to me to think of it as an R&B song.

Tim F, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

What is very strange about this thread is that with all the shit being thrown around, Bob Dylan can walk straight through the middle of it singing a fucking song about Santa and no-one bats an eyelid.

I lolled

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

singing a fucking song about Santa

I don't want to hear about Santa fucking, thanks very much.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

this is a fucking song
a song in which to fuck

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

ho ho ho ho

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I think that Gaga has improved immensely perhaps precisely because she has cut the awkward ties between her larger-than-life persona and her initial run of relateable ordinary-experience pop songs; this is the big difference b/w "Just Dance" or "Eh Eh" and basically everything on The Fame Monster.

this is a tempting thing to agree with, then i remembered about "telephone" which is amazing but surely the most quotidian of all

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I still lol that Lady Gaga had Beyonce guest on a reworking of "Bugaboo"

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

still blows my mind tbh that people hate on longstreth's voice, it's reall special i think, and basically one of the strongest in popular indie besides like antony?

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 February 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Hearing Antony is a great way to put me off listening to music for the rest of the night/week/month.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 February 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link

that's because Bob Dylan is fucking awesome

that album made my Xmas - everyone who hears it loves it

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 February 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah even my grandfather who stopped fucking w/dylan when he went electric really like it

guammls (QE II), Thursday, 4 February 2010 00:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually I love "Just Dance" now more than I did in 2008.

Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 February 2010 00:56 (fourteen years ago) link

for a moment i read that as QE II's grandpa chiming in and "Just Dance" was a Bob Dylan song

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 01:04 (fourteen years ago) link

also if u heard the guy singing you wouldnt really be hating on the chicks voices one bit in comparison

― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:52 PM Bookmark

dave longstreth is why bitte orca is basically unlistenable

The Reverend, Thursday, 4 February 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

i love bitte orca but you have to admit it's kind of a vocal feat to be that breathy and that whiny at the same time

een, Thursday, 4 February 2010 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe on the fringes of the Popular Crowd (close enough to be able to speak to the hot sporty boys, at any rate), enough on the fringes to fret about acceptance into it.

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:38 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Sugges

Never mind me, just enjoying lex's insightful point about the class issues at stake in Vampire Weekend.

Oh...wait. My bad.

RE: Taylor, I think her strongest suit is actually not voice or lyrics but melody and most importantly structure - her songs are interesting not just because of the (fairly average/stereotypical) situations they portray (quite well, mind you) but because she had a really good grasp on how songs WORK. The way Love Story's entire plot moves forward in the changing words of the chorus, rather than the in the verses, which mostly tread water. The way the chorus in Tim McGraw never changes its words, but drastically changes its meaning/context of "Tim McGraw" and the song in question as the audience learns more information in the verses. How changing one line in the final chorus of "White Horse" somehow manages to be totally devastating. And so on. Lex is totally OTM about how she knows better than most people when to oversell or undersell emotions and situations for maximum emotional impact.

Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 4 February 2010 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link

How changing one line in the final chorus of "White Horse" somehow manages to be totally devastating.

love that. it just propels her right out of the song, out of town, out of the guy's life.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 February 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

xp
longstreth's voice is catnip to me. hearing him slowly screech, croon and coo through police story live w/ coffman&deradoorian backing him up is good overload like curry or really bitter ale.

ogmor, Thursday, 4 February 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

xp

oh fuck! TWO LINES. I wasn't even talking about "rearview mirror" but that is totally even MORE affecting. i was referring to "find someone someday who might actually treat me well"(which is also totally reliant on the accent pattern that stresses "one"and "day" in a particularly awesome way.)

Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:14 (fourteen years ago) link

but yeah, I could do this forever. while i can't always explain the awesomeness of taylor's songs holistically, I can always describe them as collections of wonderfully evocative moments.

"my mistake; i didn't know to be in love you had to fight to have the upper hand." is another gem from white horse

and through the weirdness of brain linkage is forever tied in my mind to Los Campesinos!, viz.

I taught myself the only way to vaguely get along in love
Is to like the other slightly less than you get in return
I keep feeling like I'm being undercut

Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:18 (fourteen years ago) link

On another note entirely, I am listening to "Daniel" for the first time and really digging it. Feel like these people are on a similar kick to me personally - Yamaha chamber music. I could do with dialing down the "frosty reverb" or whatever on the vocals but this is nice stuff. #2 of the year I dunno but I have no beef with this.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link

"Daniel" took some time to click with me because while I really dig the vocals and I also dig the instrumental 80s wash, they felt mismatched for some reason. and then at some point everything just clicked and my brain realized how marvelous it is. the "frosty reverb" was probably my gripe as the 80s wash on the production holds it back from the totally epic majesty that i suspect is buried in here, but that's not what she's going for, i suppose.

Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link

"Daniel" suffered a ton for me because I discovered it at the same time as "What's A Girl To Do?" and the latter is like far and away a massively superior song; it took maybe a couple of months for me to go "oh wait, that other song was pretty dope too" and this was after buying Two Suns mistakenly thinking that "WAGTD?" was on it.

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link

fwiw glenn mcdonald offered to gove ilx polls the same crazy data crunching treatment he gave pazz & jop and i think we should take him up on it

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link

agreed

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I agree very much with Alex in Montreal's string of comments on Swift and "White Horse."

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey, do we know when the album poll results will start to be posted? Next week?

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah monday iirc

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:11 (fourteen years ago) link

on another note entirely, I am listening to "Daniel" for the first time and really digging it.

me too, the song has pretty amazing production. reminds me a LOT of the el perro del mar ep- if you like "daniel" pls pls check out 'love is not pop'

psychgawsple, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJn-nUCzQLk

^hoping this doesn't embed (never tried it this way, so apologies if it does)

psychgawsple, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link

gah, sry ppl

psychgawsple, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link

I voted for Love is Not Pop in the albums poll, but totally overlooked "Change of Heart" in singles voting. Wish I'd made a point of including it, even if it wouldn't have cracked the top 50.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:01 (fourteen years ago) link

"Daniel" and "My Girls" are both really good but not like omgwtf-awesome.. I still don't see what the big deal is with either of these. I'm ok with both of them placing so high on this list, but mostly because they've placed just as high everywhere else, which gives me a sense of "missing out.." but not to the extent where I actually care all that much. They do, however, make me wish that mainstream commercial radio would broaden their playlists to include stuff like the songs listed on this thread..

"Daniel" also reminds me of "Smalltown Boy."

billstevejim, Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I should rephrase that one sentence.. It makes me wish mainstream radio played nearly all of these songs.. I know about 15-20 of them are constantly played on there already.

billstevejim, Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I just found out that The Yeasayers boys produced "Daniel", so I guess I should give them a listen.

"My Girls" stands on its own as a good song outside if AnCo - witness the Taken By Trees version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9wX3jg1p7Y

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:45 (fourteen years ago) link

^ if = of

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:45 (fourteen years ago) link

I just found out that The Yeasayers boys produced "Daniel", so I guess I should give them a listen.

It shows a lot more in Odd Blood than the first album, which everyone seems to think has a couple good songs and then loses itself. Odd Blood is pretty fantastic front to back, though.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:48 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARs5IYQyzOQ

What does and ILXOR think of this mix by Dam Funk?

dog latin, Thursday, 4 February 2010 09:25 (fourteen years ago) link

stomps out the original

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 February 2010 09:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Really enjoyed this - for whatever reason i always manage to miss out on even the stuff that everyone else has heard, so lurking here is just f'ing great for catching up. Any year w'out a new Fall album (best not engage in arguments about vox) is a bereft one, but hearing Trap Goin Ham on this list has definitely filled the void. If I hadn't got an internet mard on, wd've definitely voted for 9x out of 10, which I seemed to listen to pretty much on a loop throughout July, while never really getting in to the album.

Only song to really have me scrambling urgently for the off button was the Lust for Life Girls track. I'm a sucker for Taylor Swift things, so happy with the winner. Slightly ambivalent about The-Dream, think the Love v Money diptych (really lyrical, abstract, sweet and strange at the same time) is just amazing, and hoping that the rest of the album will creep up on me in the same way. Oh, love the Arming Eritrea.

Thanks musically! Looking forward to the albums.

'virgin' should be 'wizard' (GamalielRatsey), Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:34 (fourteen years ago) link

alex is correct about the last chorus of "white horse" - not only is it devastatingly effective in itself, but it also casts a different light on the whole song that's just gone past, a slight tilt of the rearview mirror and you see everything in a different perspective.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:39 (fourteen years ago) link

it's probably why "white horse" is my default favourite fearless joint (it's an album where in any given hour, pretty much any of its tracks could be my favourite) - compositionally it just blows me away. i guess it's probably the best indication of how swift might progress when she can't write about high school any longer (ie, next album).

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:40 (fourteen years ago) link

on the next album she can write about john mayer. ugh.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:04 (fourteen years ago) link

(i feel like i need to wash my hands just reading about sex with john mayer. taylor needs a hazmat suit.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link

worst url ever :((((((((

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Something kind of creepy about that on his part tbf - I mean if she was the whitebread outcast she claims to be she probably has been idolizing the guy since she was 12.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link

mayer is a disgusting horndog--this is well-known.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link

my horndog has a last name, it's m-a-y-e-r

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 February 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Now listening to "Arming Eritrea" for the first time. There's some fun stuff going on here but the guy's vocal is just too hilarious - I mean, Fred Durst managed to sound a little more convincing than this (once in a while). I mean if it's supposed to be a sendup then it's kind of pure genius, the whole jerk parent character distilled down to "Rick," presumably the stepdad. Is this like a one-off novelty track in the midst of an album of other things or does the band always sound like this? Gotta say I like this best when it's just the riffing or the long break 2/3 of the way through where the guy is buried more in the guitars.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link

And now "Empire State of Mind," which I've heard in passing a good half-dozen times but never paid close attention. It's nice - good hook (and little throwaway verse/bridge from Alicia) but goes on a bit too long and nothing Jay said turned my head, y'know? The verses were just sorta there. This kinda says it:

i think people itt are giving ESOM a much harder time than it deserves. yes there's at least two too many hova verses, and they do get worse as the song goes on, but it's a fully functional pop song that's fun to listen to mostly because of the great chorus but also because of the bouncy, sunny beat.

― samosa gibreel, Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:09 PM Bookmark

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Now listening to "Arming Eritrea" for the first time. There's some fun stuff going on here but the guy's vocal is just too hilarious - I mean, Fred Durst managed to sound a little more convincing than this (once in a while).

sb'd

samosa gibreel, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link

:( I take back my endorsement of your Jay-Z feat Alicia Keys opinion.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't really know how to approach your critique of arming eritrea except to say that fotl might just not be the band for you

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, do they always do that squeaky-voiced puberty rock thing? Because I like the guitars and the drums and stuff.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i didn't actually sb you doctor casino, but i don't know if unconvincing is the most relevant criticism to aim at fotl of, they're just drunk sarcastic british assholes. also, you really don't like the bridge in 'empire state of mind'? it's easily my favourite part of the song.

samosa gibreel, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link

xp i mean yes, that is his voice. i'm totally baffled that you find it so young-sounding.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link

squeaky-voiced puberty rock thing

lol i feel like we aren't even talking about the same band

samosa gibreel, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, no - I was saying the little bridge was one of the "nice" things in the song. Sorry, that was sorta confusing.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

casino you should see them live, when half the time he doesn't bother to sing the words, but just shouts NYAAARARARARARA into the mic

goole, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Back on FOTL (typed FSOL like three times) - knowing that they're drunk sarcastic assholes kinda helps put the song in context. Huh.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link

glad i could help. i mean, i think the sentiment of this song in partic is earnest, but the "fuck you, you asshole"-song type of earnest.

samosa gibreel, Thursday, 4 February 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

that's funny because there's a live version in this thread! the vocal kicks ass, though it does sound like it's going to fall apart at any second (both of which are a coupla things contrasting with f.d. lol)

xxp

men lie, women lie, hips don't (zvookster), Thursday, 4 February 2010 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I mean - I guess for me it just sounds like he's mad that his step-dad won't let him borrow the car to go to Arby's. But I guess I'm alone on that one.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link

that contrast is what makes him a such great singer--anger on the verge of hysterics.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link

yes, you are alone on that one.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link

My favorite part of the Mayer/Swift article upthread:

John can't have sex with Taylor Swift. She's a symbol of everything that's right and pure about America. It's like having sex with a bald eagle.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 4 February 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

IT'S LIKE HAVING SEX WITH A BALD EAGLE

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 4 February 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Ooh, "Rockin That Shit" is great! Listening to this one on repeat. Thanks, ILM!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 February 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link

what up with this bookmark

ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 February 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh hey, you fixed it.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 February 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Yep, thanks J0rdan!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 4 February 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

bookmark's been fucked for me, all thread

cozen, Thursday, 4 February 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, man. just listened to the #1 and it's amazing. finally we have a new "since u been gone."

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 4 February 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

what

iatee, Thursday, 4 February 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I still don't understand Taylor Swift...

waiting....

dog latin, Thursday, 4 February 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

You know, I like "Since U Been Gone" and all but c'mon

PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 February 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

@iatee @pies!: ???

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 4 February 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Have almost completed my quest to DL everything on the countdown to make some proper mix CDs for kitchen listening - - "Trap Goin' Ham" is ludicrously tough to find on slsk but I am, at last, queued for it.... from samosa gibreel! Small world, this internet.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 7 February 2010 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey, cool! Thanks!

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 7 February 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah thanks - been looking for that too.

dog latin, Sunday, 7 February 2010 03:31 (fourteen years ago) link

fyi the songs all have youtubes in this thread and you can use www.dirpy.com to convert it to mp3 easily, that's what i do when i'm browsing youtube

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Sunday, 7 February 2010 03:32 (fourteen years ago) link

woah. Will totally check that out, thanks.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 7 February 2010 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah it's actually surprisingly efficient and hassle free

rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Sunday, 7 February 2010 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i find the quality is always wack whenever i do that

samosa gibreel, Sunday, 7 February 2010 07:34 (fourteen years ago) link

mediafire is getting closer and closer to containing every single rap song ever released each passing day

samosa gibreel, Sunday, 7 February 2010 07:34 (fourteen years ago) link

site:mediafire.com is the new site:zshare.com is the new kazza is the new limewire is the new napster

hoos n nem (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 7 February 2010 07:56 (fourteen years ago) link

inurl:mediafire|zshare|sharebee is usually a small timesaver fwiw

een, Sunday, 7 February 2010 08:36 (fourteen years ago) link

as a bookmark i mean

een, Sunday, 7 February 2010 08:43 (fourteen years ago) link

usershare is the most common these days i find - beemp3.com can be useful too

though really it's so rare that googling eg "trap goin ham" mp3 doesn't bring up a ton of varied d/l links - it's the older stuff that i usually have a problem finding (esp if it wasn't released in the uk and isn't on itunes, or in some particularly retarded cases, only the clean version is available WHAT IS THE POINT OF THAT)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2010 10:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Dudes I'm kinda sad I wasn't around to participate in this list but YAY FUCKING AWESOME LIST ANYWAY, definitely the best 09 list I've seen. Even if Baby Can't Stop is the only song I really like in the top 10 the rest of it more than makes up for it.

Also my #1, Inflation, placed, which makes me very happy indeed.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 7 February 2010 10:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Also I spent Friday night in a club in Kampala and the music was all dancehall and hip-hop and various African takes on both, and then the DJ played I Gotta Feeling and suddenly there were only white people dancing.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 7 February 2010 11:00 (fourteen years ago) link

:(

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 7 February 2010 11:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Matt I'm pleased you also picked "Inflation" as your number 1!

Tim F, Sunday, 7 February 2010 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link

if i'd ranked them, either "inflation" or "fancy" or "we nuh run" would have been my no 1.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2010 11:26 (fourteen years ago) link

In years to come people will look back and feel foolish for not having recognised its world-beating classicness earlier.

Tim F, Sunday, 7 February 2010 11:28 (fourteen years ago) link

nah

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 7 February 2010 11:31 (fourteen years ago) link

what don't you like about it again steve?

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2010 11:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim I was actually torn between Hey Playa and Inflation for #1 but I knew you'd be putting the latter in the top spot and I thought that might give it the push it needed to make the list. Given only Bongo Jam made it last year I thought here might be some major UK funky vote-splitting. Wonder who else voted it #1?

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 7 February 2010 11:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Steve makes it his business to not like the funky he's supposed to like.

Tim F, Sunday, 7 February 2010 11:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Think the reason Inflation is so great is that it's got a tempo and momentum that's just total peak time, especially the rising xylophones that correspond with the "wind up and wind up and wind up" in the Aidonia version. I could totally imagine it working in straight up commercial house sets and even in trance sets if need be. It's got a sort of homespun euphoric e-transcendence feel that you don't get much of in funky.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Steve makes it his business to not like the funkymusic he's supposed to like.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:03 (fourteen years ago) link

to not like the funky he's supposed to like

to not like the funky everyone else likes is more accurate i guess :) but i don't hate it, just don't see the big fuss (i don't really like xylo/marimba as a lead instrument and it may just come down to that).

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't really like xylo/marimba as a lead instrument

!!!! You are dead to me now.

Tim F, Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link

i long for saxophone to replace it

were there any big Inflation imitators last year? as in instrumentals with extended solos going for epic vibes?

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:15 (fourteen years ago) link

if sax solos had been big this year i BET you'd have complained about them as well

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:16 (fourteen years ago) link

it's tough being a critic

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:17 (fourteen years ago) link

xxp Kentphonik, "Sunday Showers"

it's ok, not nearly as energetic as "Inflation"

The Reverend, Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link

That predates "Inflation" though, yeah?

Funkystepz's "Sounds In Moruga" is a "Sunday Showers" imitator, which is a shame 'cos those guys would probably do an excellent "Inflation" imitation.

Tim F, Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:23 (fourteen years ago) link

oh, I only heard it afterwards, but I guess it prob is it's on the mix disc from Volumes: One, which iirc came out around the same time as the "Funky Anthem" single

The Reverend, Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:30 (fourteen years ago) link

"sunday showers" originally came out in 2007 - it's an old house cut that found a new lease of life w/the emergence of funky (same with blackcoffee's "you turn me on") (and i guess similar to how "who's afraid of detroit" kept, and still keeps, popping up on funky comps and in funky sets)

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Some of funky's canonical old house is so random, like, ultra nate's "love's the only drug" - great track, but why that and not other diva house??

Tim F, Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

wowie wowie, listening to "Baby Can't Stop" for the first time now and it is A++. Is this on the same Lindstrom album as Tirsdagsjam from further up in the poll? I'm totally digging both of them at this point, would buy such a record.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 7 February 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

No, it's on lindstrom & christabelle (aka solale) - real life is no cool - different album, very different in feel.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 7 February 2010 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Aeroplane remix >>>>>>> original

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 7 February 2010 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link

A lot of stuff from this thread is growing on me now that I just have it in a playlist and it's coming around unbidden - "Shine Blockas" for example is sounding really really nice. Thanks once again to musically and the group at large, I say this over and over again but this is such a great way to discover some new shit. Somehow way more reliable and interesting than say the P4K list, which many years ago would have served the same role for me...

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 7 February 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Still kinda bewildered that no Fuck Buttons track ended up here , but guess we all had our favoured tracks. Assume it'll be the albums top50 - which starts tomorrow?

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Sunday, 7 February 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Inflation was my #1, repped for it upthread. List goes a bit crap towards the top but some great stuff on here, Lemonade the only thing I really thought shld have made it.

ogmor, Sunday, 7 February 2010 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link

kinda glad there's no fuck buttons on this list

samosa gibreel, Sunday, 7 February 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

woulda liked to have seen surf solar

forksclovetofu, Sunday, 7 February 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Fuck Buttons vote probably mad split, given how consistent the album is maybe there was just no consensus on the best track. I'd expect it to go top 10 in the albums poll, maybe even top 5.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 7 February 2010 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I might be completely wrong about this, but Inflation reminds me of Township Funk by DJ Mujava.

dog latin, Sunday, 7 February 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

wowie wowie, listening to "Baby Can't Stop" for the first time now and it is A++. Is this on the same Lindstrom album as Tirsdagsjam from further up in the poll? I'm totally digging both of them at this point, would buy such a record.

― Doctor Casino

No, it's on lindstrom & christabelle (aka solale) - real life is no cool - different album, very different in feel.

― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC)

also Tirsdagsjam isn't from any album

Tracy J0rdan S. (sic), Sunday, 7 February 2010 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

And can we not take the "If you don't like this, you must not get out much" line? Nice strawman there.

ironically enough i never go out AT ALL, yet "I Gotta Feeling" was my number one (i think. Musically?). (hey, maybe it works better if you have to imagine the party in yr head like. but what do i know.)

the not-ratface one (Ioannis), Monday, 8 February 2010 08:57 (fourteen years ago) link

It totally sounds more like some idealized party than an actual party.

jesus is radric (The Reverend), Monday, 8 February 2010 09:00 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^and that's largely what makes it so fucking great imo.

the not-strawman one (Ioannis), Monday, 8 February 2010 09:13 (fourteen years ago) link

heh, a party song for people who don't party. i'd be tempted to go w/that but it's patently not true. it's a party song who don't party how i like to party, which tbh is the best way of partying.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 8 February 2010 09:30 (fourteen years ago) link

insert *for people somewhere, bleh

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 8 February 2010 09:30 (fourteen years ago) link

BEP track just sounds tacky in every single way - like someone just loaded a bunch of samples into Redrum and pressed play. Strange for a band who should sound polished to a shine.

dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 14:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm aware that some people on ILX/Singles Jukebox like her, so I'm not surprised she's appearing in this poll; apart from that, I know she played the same room here that I've been to to see Art Brut, the Reels, and the bassist from Pink Floyd do stand-up.

turns out that this week she played a 21,000 seater sports arena here, lol 2008

WARWICK. CAPPER. (sic), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

heh, a party song for people who don't party

OTM x100. Scientific proof below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpSTIKbrBOw

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

tombot?

vincent gallogina (J0rdan S.), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I honestly don't believe I have ever seen anything dorkier in my entire life.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link

status update on the Albums?

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 13:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I will start tomorrow, yeah I suck but w/e you get what you pay for!

musically, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

"I Gotta Feeling" : parties :: "Empire State of Mind" : New York

i think ur a contraristan (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

haha

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"Empire State of Mind" : New York :: "I Got a Crush..." : Obama

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I have to feeling
That tonight's going to be a good night

Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Albums have started!

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

50 -- Royksopp feat Robyn - The Girl and the Robot -pointless
49 -- Kid Cudi – Day ‘n’ Nite -depressing to remember
48 -- Animal Collective - Summertime Clothes - not v good
47 -- Electrik Red - So Good - v good
46 -- Memory Tapes - Bicycle sounds apalling
45 -- The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Hysteric ???
44 -- Fever Ray - If I Had a Heart - this girl i used to live with that was always borrowing cameras and taking pictures of herself when stoned liked the knife she also stole my ice cream. i did not live with her in 2009 so i don't know if she liked this song.
44 -- Basement Jaxx - Raindrops - don't remember this at all
42 -- Guido - Way U Make Me Feel - hate the title
41 -- Pill - Trap Goin Ham - ?
40 -- Big Boi feat. Gucci Mane - Shine Blockas - dont know this
39 -- Fever Ray - When I Grow Up - this was definitely on my itunes and i can hum it.
38 -- Florence & the Machine - You Got the Love (Jamie xx Re-Work) i remember really liking this but its actually only ok
37 -- Lindstrøm & Prins Thomas - Tirsdagsjam never heard
36 -- Gucci Mane ft. Plies - Wasted -??? i think plies is a rubbish rapper name
35 -- Crazy Cousinz - Inflation - deflation, implosion, matter becomes something that existed before matter
34 -- Washed Out - Feel It All Around - i have always found this to be a pretty unlovely song
33 -- Bob Dylan - Must Be Santa - this is a real novelty youtube hit at christmas.
32 -- Fuzzy Logic feat. Egypt - In The Morning - i have no idea what this is
31 -- Fever Ray - Seven -I had this on my iTunes but i cant remember how it goes.
30 -- DJ Quik & Kurupt - I got a friend really into this album but i don't know if i really bothered to listen to it more than once.
29 -- House of House - Rushing to Paradise (Walkin' These Streets) - i loved this and my main memory of it is listening to it on headphones while working in the stockroom of a chocolate shop i worked in and where i would literally eat so many chocolates every day.
28 -- Azari & III - Reckless With Your Love - there is a video of azari and iii playing at xoyo on youtube where you can see me dancing in the front row
27 -- Darkstar - Aidy's Girl Is A Computer - good clean fun
26 -- The-Dream - Rockin That Shit - so fun
25 -- Lady Gaga - Paparazzi - ghastly
24 -- Lady Gaga - Poker Face - dismal
23 -- Girls - Lust for Life - this doesn't interest me but i know what it is
22 -- Jamie Foxx feat. T-Pain - Blame It - boringly dumb
21 -- Taylor Swift - Love Story - most teenage girls write genuinely more interesting poetry than this
20 -- Jay-Z - Empire State of Mind (ft. Alicia Keys) my boyfriend swore blind at me that he remembers hearing this song in the 80s in dublin but i looked it up on wikipedia and his is definitly wrong. i also hate it.
19 -- Future Of The Left - Arming Eritrea - i don't know what this is but it is obviously for people who are active with the socialist society at their university
18 -- The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Zero - pretty pointless
17 -- The xx - Crystalised - i will still listen to this
16 -- Maxwell - Pretty Wings - i can't hum this but once when i was stoned i made a track on garageband with the piano from the beginning of this and a bit of MIA vocals
15 -- Joy Orbison - Hyph Mngo - I heard this almost every time i went dancing at this point but this says as much about the clubs i was going to at the time
14 -- DJ Quik & Kurupt – i have definitely listened to this but i literally only remember the name
13 -- Phoenix - 1901 - i listened to this a lot and i have no idea why looking back
12 -- Black Eyed Peas - I Gotta Feeling - was this at some point used ironically in a drink driving ad?
11 -- The-Dream - Fancy - this is still amazing
10 --The Juan Maclean - One Day - idk
09 -- Lily Allen - The Fear - i dont recall this song specifically but lily allen should obviously be killed
08 -- Shakira - She Wolf - i don't remember exactly how it went but it did have this insane video fo shakira dancing in a cage right?
07 -- Dirty Projectors - Stillness is the Move - lol
06 -- Lindstrom and Christabelle – Baby I Can't Stop - this is amazing
05 -- Phoenix - Lisztomania - the guys voice is annoying and the production is boring
04 -- Animal Collective - My Girls - haha so rubbish
03 -- Lady Gaga - Bad Romance - annoying
02 -- Bat for Lashes - Daniel - i went to a festival once where soul ii soul were playing on the main stage and it was sunnyish but immediately as they came on stage it suddenly turned to torrential rain and literally everybody who had waited for them to come on ran in the direction of the tents and the first tend was a p small tent where bat for lashes was just finishing her set and it went from empty to full and it seemed really funny but i can't remember anything specific about her music now.
01 -- Pleasure P feat. Flo Rida - Boyfriend #2 - no idea
01 -- Taylor Swift - You Belong With Me - hahaha i can almost hear this in my head but not quite. taylor swift is not really a very interesting songwriter or pop cultural presence imo.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 February 2014 23:39 (ten years ago) link

YYY's "Zero" is great as hell, dude.

vylvyt ylvis (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 05:02 (ten years ago) link

Oh shit, five years since GAPDY?!?!

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 05:18 (ten years ago) link

i forgot how much ILM overrated "She Wolf"

some dude, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 13:35 (ten years ago) link

people looooooved it at the time. lily allen's racist ass in the top 10 is the real shocker to me, though i recall that even i was kind of won over by that song

lex pretend, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link

22 -- Jamie Foxx feat. T-Pain - Blame It - boringly dumb
21 -- Taylor Swift - Love Story - most teenage girls write genuinely more interesting poetry than this

these 2 comments are just

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 13:46 (ten years ago) link

...insane

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 13:46 (ten years ago) link

I still love Lobo. can't listen to it in english tho.

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 13:59 (ten years ago) link

really miss 2009 ilx tbh

k3vin k., Wednesday, 12 February 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link

ilx gapdy oral history

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link

the top 10 really gets weird here as all ilm trax lists usually do but this list holds up really well imo

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link

she wolf is great! so is the fear!

lol i like how the joke #1 was included in yr impressions and i enjoy the story about ppl only going to see bat for lashes b/c soul ii soul was raining out

dyl, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link

I like everything in that Top 10 apart from She Wolf and discovered some great tunes (House of House, Darkstar) via this poll. For good or ill (it was probably less interesting), one of the last years that the ILX poll reflected a consensus around certain big songs rather than the different passions of several competing constituencies.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link

there's so much stuff in that countdown that i'm like 'wow! what a great year' and equally just about the same amount where i'm thinking 'fuck that noise, thank god those days are behind us'.

doglato dozzy (dog latin), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link

i like 'she wolf' but that is crazy high. it's useful as a reminder of 'o right, ppl were really excited about that record' (i know i was and i doubt i've listened to it since 2010). i'm fine w/ phoenix but two in the top 13 is a bit much. gaga really really underrated. some of these entries are effective as 'yep, that was 2009' but i'm kinda surprised to see them either here at all (kid cudi, 'empire state') or so high ('i gotta feeling').

balls, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link

It's missing about four tracks, but here's a spotify playlist I just built for this.
http://open.spotify.com/user/forksclovetofu/playlist/7tdXBe4UajU8tJsO7L32g8
giving it a try now.

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 19:10 (ten years ago) link

My biggest takeaway from this list was The-Dream, who I'd totally missed up to that point. I also went and bought that Yeah Yeah Yeahs album and I still think it's pretty good!

Agreed that Gaga is undervalued here - possibly suffered from those being big big hits early in 2009, so that by voting time even their boosters were kind of sick of them. And for ILM at that point I think she still had this whiff of 'performer of ordinary songs who drops eye-rolling references to art, what's the big deal?' Thing was that those two tracks, and most of Fame Monster, were extraordinary songs, but I'm sure that was a problem on this ballot...

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link

"Poker Face" is not an extraordinary song, unless you mean "extraordinarily dumb"

Fight the Powers that Be with this Powerful Les Paul! (DJP), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link

nah there was alot of skepticism toward her and alot of ppl didn't get or accept her at all until 'bad romance' or even 'telephone'. i was one of those who sniffed 'well she's no madonna i can tell you that!' and sniffed that her idea of art was an 8th grader's and she wasn't bringing the underground into the mainstream, she wasn't really subverting the mainstream - she's no madonna! - but in retrospect that run is up there w/ anyone from this century, i'd put her imperial phase up there w/ missy elliot's or whoever.

balls, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link

"Poker Face" is not an extraordinary song, unless you mean "extraordinarily dumb"

yeah. it's catchy, tho! and as we all know, catchy songs and chart success are the only true measure of music's quality.

Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link

i had forgotten that robyn track; it's fucking great

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link


I still love Lobo. can't listen to it in english tho.

― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:59 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Same. I'm p sure the rule of thumb with any Shakira song that exists in dual-language versions is fuck the English version.

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 23:37 (ten years ago) link

kid cudi being on here sure ain't any less embarrassing now than it was then

k3vin k., Thursday, 13 February 2014 05:18 (ten years ago) link

I still like that song. *kanye shrug*

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 February 2014 07:08 (ten years ago) link

this thread belongs in the thread title hall of fame

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 13 February 2014 12:19 (ten years ago) link

Zero and Heads Will Roll are p cool but I was totally bored w that album. Imo New Young Pony Club's The Optimist from the following year did a p great job of synthesizing a lot of the strengths of Its Blitz and Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix (another LP w severe dropoff after track 2) and improving upon it probably 200%

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 13 February 2014 12:21 (ten years ago) link

(tho Tahita Bulmer as frontwoman is not quite as inviting as Karen O; still think she's a better songwriter, and production on The Optimist is fantastic. Last year's NYPC album as well)

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 13 February 2014 12:28 (ten years ago) link

kid cudi being on here sure ain't any less embarrassing now than it was then

― k3vin k., Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:18 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I still like that song. *kanye shrug*

― raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Thursday, February 13, 2014 2:08 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah that song's a banger, altho the crookers remix is still >>

le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 13 February 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link

Zero and Heads Will Roll are p cool but I was totally bored w that album.

These are the two songs I play the least off of this album, along with "Soft Shock" and "Skeletons". The stretch from "Dull Life" through "Dragon Queen" is all-time great IMO.

Fight the Powers that Be with this Powerful Les Paul! (DJP), Thursday, 13 February 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link

Maybe I should say that "Paparazzi" and "Poker Face" are "out of the ordinary" rather than extraordinary. 7's and 8's rather than 10s. I think both have pretty interesting, original conceits touching on the gap between seductions/relationships as-felt vs. as-performed, and they still sound pretty good. I know ILX generally does not go for RedOne, but "Paparazzi" is pretty massive/moody. Not sure there are many other 2009 pop singles I'd rate higher. "Halo" maybe? "Party in the USA" for different kinda reasons.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 14 February 2014 01:49 (ten years ago) link

redone wasn't involved in "paparazzi"

dyl, Friday, 14 February 2014 02:36 (ten years ago) link

right - just wrote that sentence kind of confusingly. Meant to kind of say, on the one hand the RedOne song, on the other hand Paparazzi.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 14 February 2014 02:59 (ten years ago) link

Paparazzi is likely my favorite Gaga song

Drugs A. Money, Friday, 14 February 2014 04:12 (ten years ago) link

ten months pass...

So the other night "Bicycle" came up in one of my playlists and it was like ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Like at the time it just sounded like some pleasant background music to me but now I like, can't stop listening to it, and the whole album. Fuck, man. Good call, ILX.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 14 December 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link

That song had greater longevity than I thought it would. Still A+.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 15 December 2014 04:16 (nine years ago) link

Is there a place I can see all the EOY lists at a glance? We should post the results at the top of each old thread really.

dive inside water and you will know (dog latin), Monday, 15 December 2014 11:27 (nine years ago) link

this thread? The ILX List of Lists

idk how much stuff it actually has in it

dyl, Monday, 15 December 2014 16:41 (nine years ago) link


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