People seem a little down on the FACT magazine mixes. But given that the RA podcast has recently been relegated to an audio unfriendly 128 kpbs and the FACT mixes cover a broader sonic spectrum, I'm on it. Personal favourites include the Ben Klock, Pendle Coven and Cooly G mixes.
here
― sam500, Friday, 5 June 2009 09:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, Ben Klock's mix is amazing, one of my favourites of the year. But I have a lot of catching up to do with this series, the last one I heard was Greena's (which was just OK).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 5 June 2009 09:37 (fourteen years ago) link
The older RA podcasts were in 128kbps, e.g. My My, Cassy, I didn't know they'd gone back.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Friday, 5 June 2009 13:31 (fourteen years ago) link
idk how people can listen to 128kbps - even the great RA podcasts are frustrating b/c of the quality. fact mixes are great, all the ones i have are in 256 or 320 - cooly g, paul white, roska and terror danjah.
― lex pretend, Friday, 5 June 2009 13:51 (fourteen years ago) link
This looks interesting:
FACT mix 55: Kyle Hall
1. Ratio - Centralized (Substance Rework) (Central)2. Stephen Brown - Sustain (Affected Music)3. Duplex - Vivid Array (Frantic Flowers)4. Mr.V - Circle Track (Sole Channel)5. Brown Study - Cereal Numbing [Unknown)6. Murr - Watching You (Public Transit)7. Omar-S - Strider's World (FXHE)8. Filsonik - LuvHolik (Unknown)9. Mike Clark - Natalie Lacosta (White Label)10. Omar-S - Oasis #11 (FXHE) 11. Ibex - Bok Choy (Planet E)12. DJ Rhythm - Rhythms Groove (Unknown)13. Kai Alce - M-7 (Mahogani Music)14. 3chairs - Misty City (Three Chairs)15. Lazy Fat People - Pixel Girl (PlanetE)16. The Rurals - Sorry (Peng)17. Kyle Hall - I <3 Dr. Girlfriend (Wild Oats)18. Andres - A3 Untitled (from Andres II) (White label)
His 'Oats B so Deep' mix from earlier this year was real nice (here)
― sam500, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 09:03 (fourteen years ago) link
my comments are that I wish to god they would update the so-called "podcast" properly.
it's bad enough that they obfuscate the URL by hiding it behind an iTunes only signup in the first place (I found it ok eventually after a good half an hour of my life wasted and installing the bloody thing in the end last time... and then uninstalling). But now my little wi-fi kitchen/bedroom radio is sat missing the past TEN instalments??
rapidshare? sendspace? somebody too tight to pay for proper hosting here or is it just a more generalised half-assedness? It's really amateur to call yourself a website but publish like a blog.
― fandango, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
If they just got a rapidshare premium account it would be all gravy.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
ive heard some good ones but more than a few seem a bit so-so, like they were just put together for on the fly... plus, im running out of HD space for these things and am already suffering from podcast ennui.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
On a related note, I purged more than 30GB of DJ mixes from iTunes a few months ago. Haven't missed them.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
a lot of them (not just on fact) seem so half hearted i cant even remember what they sounded like tbh. its the (not so) new cover mounted cd.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
...am already suffering from podcast ennui.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2),
yes, i would agree with that for sure
― sam500, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link
woah:
Download: FACT mix 61 - Woebot
Tracklisting:
FBD Project: She's So (FBD)Code Blue: Angels in Dub (Dee Jay)Plasmic Life: Water Baby (Brain)Essence of Aura: Northern Lights (Moving Shadow)Jazz Vibes: Lucky (Strictly Underground)Jodeci: Feenin (LTJ Bukem Remix) (WEA)Complex State: Revival (Face)DJ Krust: Touch (Full Cycle)DJ Flynn & DJ Flora: Jungle Love (Full Cycle)The Invisible Man: The Bell Tune (Good Looking)Danny Breaks: Rollin' (EZ Rollers Remix) (Droppin' Science)D'Cruze: Lonely (Suburban Base)Roni Size, DJ Krust &DJ Die: I Remember (Full Cycle)
NB. "She's So" is one of my favourite tracks ever ever ever!!!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link
oooh... missed out on that Woebot mix. Looks rather good.
Meanwhile, Vlad chimes in with this rather unexpected looking tracklisting!
FACT mix 78 – Vladislav Delay
Ceebrolistics ‘Aintie’Serkkupojat ‘Kolahtaa Krl’Wu-Tang Clan feat. Sunny Valentine ‘Gun Will Go’Ghostface Killah ‘Black Cream’Erikah Badu ‘That Hump’Snoop Dogg ‘Sexual Seduction’ (Chimpo Remix)The Cool Kids ‘Bassment Party’Artful Dodger ‘Woman TroubleEl-B ‘Digital’Teriyaki Boyz feat. Pharrell & Chris Brown ‘Work That’Tricky ‘Slow’Ceebrolistics ‘Tanhi’Feadz feat. MC Wesley ‘Subiu, Desceu’The Juan MacLean ‘One Day’Luomo feat. Apparat ‘Love You All’
― sam500, Monday, 31 August 2009 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link
looks super good, listening right now.
― my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Monday, 31 August 2009 04:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i somehow don't believe that he doesn't do drugs anymore.
― my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Monday, 31 August 2009 04:48 (fourteen years ago) link
TRG and MJ Cole's ones are seriously great
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 31 August 2009 08:12 (fourteen years ago) link
that vladislav delay track listing got me all excited but in practice it just made me flinch - way too incoherent
― lex pretend, Monday, 31 August 2009 08:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Brackles' mix is really good, though when listening to the TRG mix later there was a bit of an overlap selection-wise
― Malcolm Money, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 00:28 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, for sure there.
the vlad delay one was funny, i was expecting him to really fuck the tunes up a lot more. it would be nice to see someone just destroy all those hip-hop tunes and make them sound like ice waves.
― my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 03:32 (fourteen years ago) link
These FACT mixes are out of control! How do they expect their readers to digest half of these mixes when they come so thick and fast. Same goes for some of the other blogs/ sites out there. It's just overwhelming.
Anyway, Steve Weisemann is up for No. 99. I wonder what they're planning for #100. Surely not Richie Hawtin haha...
― sam500, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 08:31 (fourteen years ago) link
how's the Vitalic one?
― This part of the sentence is even dumber. (lukas), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 09:30 (fourteen years ago) link
haven't heard the vitalic. don't think it was part of their mix series, not that it matters.
― sam500, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 11:41 (fourteen years ago) link
ah, ok, maybe not a part of their mix series but "exclusive to FACT" or whatever:
http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3886&Itemid=28
― This part of the sentence is even dumber. (lukas), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 11:50 (fourteen years ago) link
#100
― willem, Friday, 13 November 2009 10:47 (fourteen years ago) link
The Village Orchestra one that went up last week one is really good.
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link
The dinky one is niiice. Not so sure about the second half tho. The King Midas Sound one looks good too.
― mmmm, Friday, 4 December 2009 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link
the king midas sound one is good, less of a mix than a radio show tho. and always good to hear sade. cant be fucked with dinky or whoever. boring techno shittas. tho i prob should get to know more about techno shittas. i just cant be fucked at the moment.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 4 December 2009 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm wondering now if I imagined that they ever called these "podcasts"... then I remember it definitely was one until about #40. I think they must have just given up. Or the massive technical difficulties required to er... must be totally insurmountable for some reason (£££ for hosting?).
I've probably listened to about 4 of these, I expect I would have listened to every weeks if it had been working properly!
The thought of downloading (after click page), faffing, transferring to ipod (prob deleting afterwards if shit, or even if good, unless really exceptionally so) individually. Does not appeal. Just don't have the time or inclination to make it a priority in my life to be honest. If they were podcasted, I'd listen to them on my Wi-Fi radio with zero effort whatsoever.
oh well, just stumbled on their end of decade Top 100 type thing which reminded me. An odd list for another thread....
― fndgo, Friday, 4 December 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
as far as techno shittas go i am downloading surgeon's mix right now and am v excited
― This part of the sentence is even dumber. (lukas), Friday, 4 December 2009 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
and it is doooooope
hard, fun, maximal techno
drops a track from Amber in, seamlessly
― This part of the sentence is even dumber. (lukas), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
the guido mix is the first i've gotten excited about in a while. brightly coloured dubstep in a similar vein to his top 'orchestral lab' track.
― sam500, Sunday, 20 December 2009 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link
re. fandango's comment about podcasts... doesn't really bother me - as long as the badger ends up somewhere on my hard drive. same goes for the excellent mnml ssgs series. the fact that they use fairtilizer means that you can pretty much download on demand anyway.
― sam500, Sunday, 20 December 2009 13:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Loved the recent Dinky mix, the Todd Edwards one is great. I download most of them tbh but y'know a lot of them don't get a second listen. Same with the ResidentAdvisor ones.
― Dwight Yorke, Monday, 21 December 2009 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Y'all saw that they re-upped their own 20 favorite FACT Mixes from this year, right? http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4199&Itemid=98
― if I don't see more dissent, I'm going to have to check myself in (Matos W.K.), Saturday, 26 December 2009 05:45 (fourteen years ago) link
why have i only just got around to listening to the dinky mix? AMAZING stuff. when she drops the martyn rmx of fever ray <3
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 7 January 2010 09:12 (fourteen years ago) link
a lot more soulful and housey than i was expecting
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 7 January 2010 09:13 (fourteen years ago) link
New Shed mix is HUGE
Moving Ninja – Uranium – TectonicDistance – Empire – HotflushPeverelist – Esperanto – Punch DrunkElemental – Metal Funk – RuntimeModerat – Rusty Nails – BpitchBlack Pocket – U’re A Sta (Martyn Remix) – Fat CitySkream – One For The Heads – TempaElemental – Shiner – Urban GraffitiAphex Twin – Digeridoo (Live in Cornwall) – R&SDrexciya – Water Walker – SubmergeLink – The Augur – EvolutionUR- The Seawolf – URSurgeon – Dry – Dynamic TensionJoy Orbison – Wet Look – HotflushLoefah - Twisup Vip (RMY by Youngsta & Task) DMZPan Sonic – Vampina 2 – Blast FirstMDR – Rerun – MDRZomby – Liquid Dancehall – RampShed – Supa – Soloaction
― sam500, Thursday, 21 January 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link
loving the Altered Natives mix from a few weeks back, it's pretty unhinged
― jabba hands, Thursday, 11 March 2010 13:25 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2010/03/08/fact-mix-130-prins-thomas/
― dmr, Thursday, 11 March 2010 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link
that one is so fruity
― jabba hands, Friday, 12 March 2010 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
haha. yeah there is some smooth jazzy prog up in there. and proggy jazz. new Whatever We Want track at the end though
― dmr, Friday, 12 March 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link
MMMhttp://www.factmag.com/2010/04/12/fact-mix-140-fiedel-mmm/
01. Shake. Stereotype. Frictional 00802. Skream. Minimalistix. Nonplus 00403. Greena. Actual Pain. Apple Pips 01004. Shortstuff & Hyetal. Don’t Sleep. Punchdrunk 01505. MMM. Unreleased (Live Version). MMM 506. Roska. Holograph. Fantastic Four 00107. Martyn. Suburbia. Apple Pips 00108. Radio Slave. Neverending. Ostgut-Ton 02209. Equalized – A. Equalized 00310. D-Malice. Refix EP – Gabryelle Refix 00111. MMM. Nous Sommes MMM. MMM 412. Rejected. Peanuts. Figure 02013. Outlaw Breaks. Dutty – Dub Mix. Left Records 00814. Jona. Secret 47. Planet E 65297
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
― jabba hands, Friday, 16 April 2010 06:53 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2010/05/14/fact-mix-149-the-sight-below/
Tracklist:slowdive \ slowdive \ slowdive \ creation \ 1990chapterhouse \ treasure \ whirlpool \ dedicated \ 1991franke \ jag älskar dig \ aldrig förstå ep \ luxury \ 2003joy division \ isolation \ closer \ factory \ 1980echo & the bunnymen \ do it clean \ crocodiles \ korova \ 1980spacemen 3 \ take me to the other side \ the perfect prescription \ glass records \ 1987cocteau twins \ lorelei \ treasure \ 4ad \ 1984kate bush \ hounds of love \ hounds of love \ emi \ 1985iggy pop \ nightclubbing \ the idiot \ rca \ 1977teenage filmstars \ loving \ star \ creation \ 1992seefeel \ more like space \ more like space ep \ too pure \ 1993clan of xymox \ no words \ clan of xymox \ 4ad \ 1985
hounds of love?
― koogs, Monday, 17 May 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a really obscure kate bush song. pretty sure this is the first time a dj has played it before
― basic chanel (r1o natsume), Monday, 17 May 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Dettmann up for #150. His online mixes have been surprisingly flat so I hope he notches it up a bit for this one.
― sam500, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
dettmann is pretty low-key again, but i dug it on first listen
― Billy Crystals (another al3x), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Are the older FACT mixes (and RA, for that matter) archived online anyplace?
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 9 September 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
have been enjoying the Glasser and Pixel mixes lately.
the Solar Bears was shocking though. picking 16 records and crossfading between them after 2 minutes is not a mix.
― koogs, Thursday, 9 September 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Stream only: http://www.mixcloud.com/FACTMixArchive/
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Thursday, 9 September 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty into kassem mosse
― ๏̯͡๏ (another al3x), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
oneohtrix
― Robbie Savage on 606 (admrl), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Ariel Pink's was pretty good imo
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link
pull the other one
― Robbie Savage on 606 (admrl), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 07:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Guido's 2009 mix still sounds brill.
― sam500, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link
am enjoying 223, very radiophonic / krautrock 224 also looks good, seefeel and slowdive and cabaret voltaire...and 226 is photek
― koogs, Monday, 28 February 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the Endless House one is great.
I was kind of disappointed how obvious the choices were on the Photek mix
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i was LOVING how obvious the choices were on the tevo howard one!
― joe smooth's 'promised blend' instant coffee (haitch), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
photek's getting caned in the comments section. probably rightly so - it's a pretty lazy selection.
― sam500, Thursday, 3 March 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Been really digging the CREEP mix from January, among others, specifically the overlap between Rock Yo Hips and All of the Lights, whose instrumental works surprisingly well once it's used as a backing track for things that are not Kanye. Also the Dark0 track at the end is A++.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 4 March 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Digging this Rockwell mix.
― errant flynn, Thursday, 24 March 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm loving the Aardvarck mix. I like pretty much everything he's done. He doesn't get much attention tho.
― mmmm, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
is there a way to subscribe to fact without having to read all the london party fodder? a different rss or something? i like the mag but it's getting hard to follow.
― cuteforce, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I used to check in with FACT every day but it's getting increasingly difficult to want to for anything other than the mixes. The reviews seem to be of the same artists all the time and be either oozing praise or suggesting promise of better things yet to come, and some of the writing seems to be getting a bit sloppy. Obviously there's still some fantastic work in there and the odd curveball news item but its getting very scene-scentric at the expense of what first caught my eye about it.
I sctually really miss the print editions. They were so well put together and aesthetically pleasing. I know the remit of it now seems to be UK bass music with the odd periphery features, but they used to cover more ground and it wasn't bad at all.
― ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 08:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2011/05/23/fact-mix-2-bad-mice/
Looking forward to hearing this one!
― Neil S, Monday, 23 May 2011 11:15 (twelve years ago) link
:O
― just sayin, Monday, 23 May 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
just listened to it, it's amazing. Needed a klaxon to sound, not sure the rest of the office would have appreciated it though!
― Neil S, Monday, 23 May 2011 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
are any of these mixes that amazing? they dont really sound that essential to me. its just some promo thing for most of them, slung together to get them some extra coverage. i rarely hear these mixes, and stop in my tracks to think FUCK this is good. well apart from the kode 9 jungle mix.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
omg 2 bad mice.
― fauxmarc, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
"These FACT mixes are out of control! How do they expect their readers to digest half of these mixes when they come so thick and fast. Same goes for some of the other blogs/ sites out there. It's just overwhelming."
OTM
who can keep track? i dont have the time. wish i could. one a month would be nice to make it more special. but i suppose thats impossible when you want to keep getting hits.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
xlr8r have been delivering the goods of late.
the demdike stare mix was great and to celebrate their 200th podcast they've roped in mala and some kind of richie hawtin vs plastikman mix which i haven't listened to yet.
http://www.xlr8r.com/podcast
― sam500, Thursday, 2 June 2011 08:09 (twelve years ago) link
oops
Dylan Ettinger mix up on Fact magazine.
celebrating the really romantic new wave tracks that inspired his new album.
But I agree with the points upthread.
I likened it to a chef who gets to go to so many restaurants, they can never cook at home. Thats how I feel with internet mixes, there is like 6 per week that are great, I never really have time to do my own mixes or do my own searching for tunes.
and the motivation is gone, when you know you could get an amazing ambient/dubstep/minimal/deephouse mix in seconds from a world class DJ.
I remember when it was essential mix on Radio 1 and mix CDs and that was waiting for a mix you liked, then rinsing it for weeks/months.
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Thursday, 2 June 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
And it were all fields round here
― Number None, Thursday, 2 June 2011 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
im not DLing these anymore. no, i lie, i got the recent goldie one, but still havent heard it. :| but i would rather get a mix from rinse tbh, as it seems 'live', rather than these mixes, which are just guys DJing to themselves.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:17 (twelve years ago) link
...what does that mean?
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 21 July 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
I still download a couple a month, they're good for the gym
― Booger T. Jones (sic), Friday, 22 July 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
am "digging" (i believe the kids say) the Prurient mix. fuzzy machine noises.
― koogs, Friday, 22 July 2011 09:12 (twelve years ago) link
This is evil. His album is really good toohttp://www.factmag.com/2011/08/12/fact-mix-273-the-haxan-cloak/
― Number None, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
i enjoyed the recent snd mix.
but i came here to post this:http://www.factmag.com/2011/08/29/fact-mix-278-global-communication/
― koogs, Thursday, 1 September 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
105 rave, acid and hardcore tracks in 48 minutes!http://www.factmag.com/2012/05/21/fact-mix-330-evol/
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 09:21 (eleven years ago) link
ha, cool, hopefully this will wake me up after this sleepy ass nico jaar essential mix
did you hear this one?
http://www.discogs.com/Objekt-FACT-Mix-300/release/3228256
v v good
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 11:22 (eleven years ago) link
Orb and Scratch Perry. bit of a dogpile imo.
― koogs, Thursday, 9 August 2012 08:42 (eleven years ago) link
So the DJ Q FACT mix is out today.
― owenf, Monday, 13 August 2012 12:21 (eleven years ago) link
does their best albums of the 90s warrant a thread? Probably not. New design sucks btw
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, another website that needs to learn the meaning of the phrase “at a glance” when it comes to doing lists.
It struck me as a list of records people are pretending to like, rather than actually liking. Dull and worthy, as we old folk used to call it.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 7 September 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
there's no harm in avoiding the usual suspects but i do get the impression they're trying a little too hard in this case
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
It struck me as a list of records people are pretending to like, rather than actually liking.
I'd like to know more about what makes you say this. Do you think the list is too "hip"? Is it full of records you don't like and find it hard to believe others do? I'm not sure what you mean here.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 7 September 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
I'd like to know more about what makes you say this
can you post this again but with a photo of you steepling your fingers
― it's-a me, irl (DJ Mencap), Friday, 7 September 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
I was just trying to phrase it in a way that didn't sound dickish, as that wasn't my intention. I've heard the phrase "pretending to like" in relation to music before, and I've always wondered what makes someone say that.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 7 September 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
WE DON'T NEED TO DO THIS.
― Matt DC, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
My reading process : Shrug at rap albums, roll eyes at indie albums, kind of agree with dance albums, get to #1. Mutter "it could be worse".
― Josiah Alan, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
Would probably swapped in UGK's Riding Dirty for Belle or Sebastian if I had any say in the list.
― Josiah Alan, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
I'd have swapped Drexciya with Moseley Shoals just for a laugh.
― Matt DC, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
So the only way to view this is to open all 100 slow-loading pages? Or is the list actually just on one page somewhere?
― Position Position, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
they should have let lex vote. His reviews have really been getting the readership riled up over there
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
FACT's entire aesthetic has become so dispiritingly blokey, murky and Big Serious Face. Many of the records in that list are great but where's the femininity, the pop sensibility, the levity?
Also you get the feeling that while some of the writers weren't actively pretending to like anything, they were probably mentally crossing Chemical Brothers or Underworld albums off their list for fear of looking corny.
― Matt DC, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone notice how similar the new layout is to Pitchfork's?
― Josiah Alan, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
― Position Position, Friday, September 7, 2012 4:25 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't like this clickbait any more than you do but tbf it went between pages superfast for me
― it's-a me, irl (DJ Mencap), Friday, 7 September 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
if you use the arrow keys it does
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
oh god this list is the worst thing
I mean, it's all albums I'd probably like, but calling this the 100 best of a decade is the most po-faced endeavor
― your naïve bacon (mh), Friday, 7 September 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
I was gonna say, this loads light years faster than their old site.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 7 September 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
I think a list like this might have a bigger impact on a younger music fan, lot of great music on here mixed in with the arbitrary contrary picks.
― Josiah Alan, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
I think there's a few interesting choices in there: Icons, DJ Krust, Studio 1, Archers of Loaf etc. And no complaints about the #1 But really, we need another of these top-100 lists like a hole in the head.
― millmeister, Friday, 7 September 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
it's a navigational mess but the overall look has potential. i dare say it will be okY once they refine it. THE FACE (pastiche?) logo is good imo. fk that top 100 going through each album one at a time though. that's exactly NOT how to make people look at your site. even doing a 100 list in blocks of ten is pushing it.
― jed_, Friday, 7 September 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
the cold fucking nerve to align themselves with the face, honestly
― r|t|c, Friday, 7 September 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
Catastrophic kerning on the pseudo-FACE logo sets my teeth on edge.
― Stevie T, Friday, 7 September 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
― r|t|c, Friday, September 7, 2012 10:47 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Tim F, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
what's the Face?
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
peerless, pivotal uk style mag.
This list is hella indie isn't it. Even the dance music choices.
― Tim F, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
Is a Carl Craig obsession that indie? i bet a singles list would be better though
(knew what the Face was btw)
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
i would have gone with scion's 'arrange and process basic channel' ahead of the comp they picked. saw II better than 85-92 too obv.
― second only to popcorn (or something), Friday, 7 September 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
xpost No obv stuff like 69 and E-Dancer isn't "indie" really - I just mean the general slant with all the 90s ambient/IDM, the drum and bass albums chosen, the absence of any house music as far I can remember (let alone, like, populist dance). It's more glaring when it's interwoven with lots of indie rock.
Kudos to FACT for including Carlton though.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
The absence of any popular rap other than Wu Tang Clan, one Nas album, one Jay-Z album. No Biggie, no Pac.
― your naïve bacon (mh), Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but they had Westside Connection...
― Number None, Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
Is a Carl Craig obsession that indie?
that's like saying kraftwerk or daft punk obsession is indie
ok wait scratch the 2nd
― the late great, Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:50 (eleven years ago) link
CC happens to rule. please do not use his name with word indie in it again.
i like Carl Craig
― Number None, Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:53 (eleven years ago) link
Carl "Indie" Craig
― Josiah Alan, Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
One of the more obscure pseudonyms.
― Josiah Alan, Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
anybody listen to the Vladislav Delay/AGF mix of Nicki Minaj verses?
― blank, Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, but that had nothing to do with fact
― your naïve bacon (mh), Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:30 (eleven years ago) link
i read about it in fact
― blank, Saturday, 8 September 2012 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
i read about it, in fact.
― jed_, Saturday, 8 September 2012 06:11 (eleven years ago) link
rattling on about canonical electronic acts being "indie" seems like a pretty "indie" thing to do tbh
― it's-a me, irl (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 8 September 2012 08:03 (eleven years ago) link
No one's actually doing that though.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 08:27 (eleven years ago) link
carl craig is in the thread. please stop saying indie.
― the late great, Saturday, 8 September 2012 08:46 (eleven years ago) link
Obv 69 is one of the best things on the list. There are a lot of good things on the list!
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 08:49 (eleven years ago) link
i don't cosign v much of the list fwiw
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 08:51 (eleven years ago) link
Well duh
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:03 (eleven years ago) link
though i'm not sure if i managed to finish clicking through tbh
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:05 (eleven years ago) link
I would have been curious to see a list that was a closer reflection of a nineties version of their current aesthetic, though I guess they think indie rock, golden age rap, "intelligent" jungle and aphex twin are exactly that. Maybe they are.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:25 (eleven years ago) link
it probably is, particularly albums-wise
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:31 (eleven years ago) link
obv i am v aware of this now but i was genuinely surprised at first - i don't have the patience to think of the "ew! minaj/bieber/cheryl cole pop cooties" brigade with anything other than contempt though
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:32 (eleven years ago) link
it's 2012 did we not HAVE THESE ARGUMENTS ALREADY
also british dance music sux right now, apart from like ikonika
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:33 (eleven years ago) link
Royal-t et al?
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:05 (eleven years ago) link
It's not "indie" per se but if you factor out Belle & Sebastian and Pulp you can smell the fucking weed coming off this list from a mile. Virtually everything here his the stoner-friendly facet of its genre.
I mean that's fine in its way because weed was pretty significant in 90s music but its very much presenting only one side of the decade.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:06 (eleven years ago) link
That seems thoroughly otm.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:07 (eleven years ago) link
so many of my points of aesthetic alienation from other people in music become clear when weed is brought up
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:10 (eleven years ago) link
royal-t, yeah, though to an extent i'm only interested in the garage/post-funky lot when they're making tropicalesque stuff or remixing pop (why are funkystepz and ill blu permitted to release instrumentals again?)
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:11 (eleven years ago) link
haha the opposite of the fact vibe basically.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:24 (eleven years ago) link
well as far as you can get while talking about a lot of the same artists.
i know right!
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:26 (eleven years ago) link
i was REALLY surprised that my piece on garage pop remixes got such a negative reaction. like wtf is wrong with those people
(nb everyone at fact itself loved those trax)
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:27 (eleven years ago) link
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if you stfu with this ignorant codswallop i promise not to ever invoice you for that garage bit
― r|t|c, Saturday, 8 September 2012 12:56 (eleven years ago) link
haha this thread is approx 7.3x worse than the fact list
― fauxmarc, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
you know, just speaking as a fan of dance and rap, i think that list is pretty good, quibbles about ordering aside. i don't know 90% of the rock on it, though.
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
pretty awesome they included e-dancer though i'd have put it higher than 69
The big issue from the dance side is that they (I assume) ruled out DJ mixes and the like, e.g. the choices of d&b albums seemed astonishingly one-sided to me but then once you're restricting yourself to "proper" artist albums 1995 - 1999 it becomes harder to avoid that I guess.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
i can see that as a reasonable editorial decision though
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
it'll be interesting to see how 00s album lists deal w/ the issue of podcasts
probably just exclude those too, right?
which DJ mixes would you have included, tim?
i'd have probably put on dave clarke's electro x-mix but i'm not sure what else
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
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Yeah, but it has consequences when a lot of the list is about dance music.
Not that they would have had a hope in this poll but my 90s DJ mix selections would be:
Lil Louis Vega - United DJs of America, Vol. 2: New York CityKenny Ken - A History of HardcoreGrooverider - Hardstep Selection IISlipmatt - Slipmatt Takes ControlRobbie Hardkiss - Mixed MessagesCarl Craig - DJ KicksThe Dreem Teem - In Session IIDerrick May - The MayDay MixDJ Rolando - The Aztec Mystic Mix
Thinking about it, comps possibly more crucial to the story of jungle than mixes.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
Carl Craig - DJ Kicks
^^ excellent suggestion
i would add nicolette's dj kicks to the list, that is a monster
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
how about
v/a - TORQUEv/a - TECHSTEPPIN
massive omissions imo
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
and the jungle mix category is full of "bangers"
dj db - history of hardcore, history of hardcore 2, history of our world 1, history of our world 2, breakbeat odyssey, drum and bass selection usa
dj hype - drum and bass selection 3, drum and bass selection 4
smith & mighty - dj kicks
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
dj db - history of our world 2
DING. DING DING DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNAH
― fauxmarc, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
I'd add Bukem's 'Mixmag Live' to any 90's comp best of list.
― millmeister, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
oh fuck yeah, that with his grinning mug above the clouds is BRILLIANCE
marc i actually prefer the "history of hardcore" ones
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
Oh yeah, and I'd include Hawtin's mix in the same series. Basically a time when dj mixes had some personality and took a few risks.
― millmeister, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
when men were men, and women were women
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
you could flange a ball down the street
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
If a dj played something, it stayed played!
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 06:45 (eleven years ago) link
when men were men, and women were men too.
― jed_, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 09:15 (eleven years ago) link
rip hunta d
― the late great, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 09:17 (eleven years ago) link
Lol.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 09:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2012/10/01/fact-mix-349-silent-servant/
listened to this a few times now, proper mint!
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 11:52 (eleven years ago) link
Incredible selection of black-hearted, dead-eyed, pedal-to-the-floor "mutant music" from the Sandwell District graduate. published 1 Oct 2012 share
FACT mix is a black-hearted, dead-eyed, pedal-to-the-floor session from Silent Servant.
Recorded to mark the recent release of his debut album, Negative Fascination, on Hospital Productions, the mix focusses on propulsive darkwave and dubbed-out post-punk, placing tracks by contemporary acts including Led Er Est, Haul and The KVB alongside cult classics and cassette obscurities from the likes of Modern Art, No More and Snowy Red. Like Negative Fascination, it’s pure of purpose and entirely successful in its aims.
Silent Servant is the solo project of Juan Mendez, the California native who first made his name in techno circles in the 90s with his production work under the name Jasper, and with his co-founding of the highly respected Cytrax label. It was during this time that Mendez befriended Karl O’Connor, aka Regis, beginning a creative alliance that has lasted to this day and led to all kinds of interesting outcomes.
The two artists, along with Dave ‘Function’ Sumner and Peter ‘Female’ Sutton, turned Sandwell District from a functional 12″ series into highly influential artistic collective and record label, encouraged in no small part by Mendez’s design and visual nous, and culminating in the release of a widely praised album, Feed-Forward (2010), before they decided to call it a day earlier this year. Mendez also became intimately involved with the running of O’Connor’s long-running Downwards label, bringing young American bands like Pink Playground, Dva Damas and Deathday into the fold (check the recently released So Click Heels compilation for a fine snapshot). One such act was Tropic of Cancer, the brainchild of Mendez’s wife, Camella Lobo, to whose first three releases (‘The Dull Age’ and ‘Be Brave’ on Downwards, The Sorrow Of Two Blooms EP on Blackest Ever Black) he contributed significantly.
Of course, it’s as a techno producer and DJ that Mendez remains best known. His 12″ productions as Silent Servant elegantly combine the industrial force of classic Downwards with the the dub-wise spaciousness of Basic Channel/Chain Reaction and the skippy minimalism of Cytrax. For Negative Fascination, he has widened his palette, or rather wholeheartedly pursued directions that in the past his work has only hinted at. In simple terms, the LP finds Mendez reconciling his interest in cutting edge dance music and pin-sharp, club-ready sound design with an even deeper, more instinctive affection for 80s DIY, minimal wave and the like, and this reconciliation yields some extraordinary results: take ‘Moral Divide (Endless)’, where a typical 4/4 kick is rejected in favour of a scuffed, skeletal drum machine tattoo that Suicide might reject on grounds of it being too raw, then shrouded in strings that could teach Detroit a thing or two about grandeur and moodiness, or the way ‘The Strange Attractor”s EBM-style tom-hits ricochet wildly against the taut techno grid that encloses them, or ‘Temptation & Desire”s foregrounding of shoegazey guitar noise. It’s undoubtedly one of the year’s finest full-lengths.
“Even though it’s only seven tracks, Negative Fascination is very representative of what I wanted to achieve,” Mendez told FACT in a recent in-depth interview. “There’s a little bit of Cabs, there’s a little bit of DAF, there’s a little bit of early Basic Channel and early Downwards, there’s some weird post-punk, upbeat, almost Joy Division-like sounds. It was just this weird mutation in my head.”
The Silent Servant FACT mix sheds further light on, and traces the origins of, this “weird mutation”. It was recorded live, with turntables, CDJs and mixer with effects. Stream or download it via the Soundcloud player below.
Tracklist:Karl And The Curbcrawlers (Karl O’Connor) – Day In Day Out – ExistHaul – New Sewn Pocket – YTA RecordsDAF – Verlieb Dich In Mich – Virgin RecordsLed Er Est – Opto Five – Captured TracksModern Art – Hello/Goodbye – DomesticaThe KVB – Hands – Clan Destine RecordsCabaret Voltaire – A Touch Of Evil (Reprise) – Rough TradeSnowy Red – Sinkin’ Down – Dirty DanceNo More – Suicide Commando – Wishbone RecordsSilent Servant – Temptation & Desire – Hospital ProductionsPublic Information Film (Karl O’Connor) – Here And Now (EnglishVersion) – DownwardsIn Aeternam Vale – Dust Under Brightness – Minimal WavePye Corner Audio – Electronic Rhythm Number Three – Type RecordsHard Corps – Dirty (J.Rocc Edit) – Stones Throw / Minimal WaveSilent Servant – Invocation Of Lust (Extended 12″ Mix) – Hospital ProductionsDiseño Corbusier – Golpe De Amistad – Strut 2012 / Auxilio De Cientos 1986
All the Silent Servant/Sandwell/Regis stuff has been right up my alley lately. Can't wait to listen to this one.
― d-_-b (mh), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 13:24 (eleven years ago) link
Hah, and right after I typed that, I got this email from boomkat:RAIME / VATICAN SHADOW / THROBBING GRISTLE + MORE - NOW AVAILABLE TO PREORDER
A rather good one from I:Cube, lots of spacey acid and electro:http://www.factmag.com/2012/11/12/fact-mix-356-icube/
It's just a shame that the FACT site always crashes my browser.
― Neil S, Monday, 12 November 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
The FACT websites have always been a bit of a disaster. The new one looks like shiiiite on my phone.
― millmeister, Monday, 12 November 2012 16:19 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it's a shame, I'm always put off reading anything there because of those problems.
― Neil S, Monday, 12 November 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
opening more than two links is dicing with death basically
― Number None, Monday, 12 November 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
http://soundcloud.com/factmag/fact-mix-346-breach-sep-12
this has been on repeat
1. This Torment is thought – Longreybeam2. Trapped bootleg – Unknown3. Bring Joy – Midland’s 2012 refix4. Who Knows Where Love Goes – Last Magpie5. I’ll never give up – Esteban Adame6. Untitled 2 – Midland and Pariah7. Mountains – Pedestrian remix – DjRum8. Gliding – Deepchord9. Nothing else – Detroit Swindle10. Your’s – Medlar remix – Steffi11. Past Present – Andrea Di rocco12. Beserk – Daniel Bell13. Come on – J. Bevin14. Rain – Kerri Chandler15. Variation 2 – d’Eon16. What’s in your head VIP – Disclosure17. Stone Cold – Groove Chronicles18. Comb Over – Shadow Child and James Talk19. It’s alright – Lorca20. Horizons – Etch21. Your My Own – Sello22. Wake – Indigo23. Fusion 45_33 version – Photek24. Love Philtre – Citizen mix – Brabe25. Keep the fire burning – Shadow Child edit26. Waves Dub – Drums Of Death27. Room Service – Citizen28. 101 – Breach and Midland29. Needs You – George Fitzgerald30. Wolf Club – Desvverre
― fauxmarc, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
Untold takes it back: http://www.factmag.com/2012/12/31/fact-mix-363-untold/
DJ Red Alert & Mike Slammer – Ackers (Kool)Hedgehog Affair – Heaven Sent (Basement)Cool Hand Flex – Your Risk (De underground)Dj Hype – I Can’t Understand It (Suburban Base)Static Substance – Ghetto People (Remix) (Impact)DJ Red Alert & Mike Slammer – In effect (The Remix) (Slammin’ Vinyl)Freestyle & – DJR – Madness (Awesome)DJ Ham –Most Uplifting (Future Primitive Remix) (Kniteforce)Nookie – The Sound Of Music (Reinforced)Origination – Break Down (Rude Boy)Dub Two – Bad Man (Tuffness Mix) (Big City)Tango – Can’t Stop The Rush (Remix) (Formation)D-Force – Ruff!!! (Slammin’ Vinyl)Foul Play – Finest Illusion (Section 4)Peshay – Piano Tune (Good Looking)
― millmeister, Monday, 31 December 2012 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
listening now, it's great.
― Neil S, Monday, 31 December 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
just saw that, got a boner, started downloading
― ( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Tuesday, 1 January 2013 06:28 (eleven years ago) link
Really smooth dubby selection from Jon K - http://www.factmag.com/2013/01/07/fact-mix-364-jon-k/
― millmeister, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
FACT mix 380 - The Black Dog (Apr '13):
1. Autechre – Eutow – Warp2. Forgemasters – Track With No Name3. The Black Dog – Bleep One4. LFO – Push – Warp – Dust Science5. Phoenecia – Y-Intercpnkt – Warp6. Tricky Disco – Tricky Disco7. Move D – Rain Shine – Warp8. Sympletic – Ace Space _ Warp9. The Black Dog – Bleep Four – Dust Science10. Sweet Exorcist – Testonetwothree – Warp11. LFO – Tied Up – Warp
― millmeister, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 08:42 (ten years ago) link
looks a bit old-skool. (not a criticism)
― koogs, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 09:01 (ten years ago) link
"Testonetwothree" ?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 13:16 (ten years ago) link
Was there a distinct moment that FACT essentially became the buzzfeed of music sites, or is it just endemic to its untrammeled decline into clickbait, irrelevant-news, and manufactured-attitude fueled mediocrity?
― ed.b, Friday, 19 June 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link
Lol-hyperbole, but still, am I mistaken for thinking it was waaaay more relevant and interesting four to five years ago?
― ed.b, Friday, 19 June 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
probably when they redesigned their site, early this year i think?
― lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 19 June 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link
Fact was never good
― saer, Friday, 19 June 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
they had good lists, even though i agree there are too many lists on the internet
but they pointed me toward some interesting music i might have otherwise overlooked (new and old music)
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 19 June 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
they still do: http://www.factmag.com/tag/for-club-use-only/
i've definitely noticed how clickbait-y they've gotten too, i only end up there when someone links a good mix or video.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 19 June 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link
i still like fact, but is there any point to their singles reviews section? no one seems to have much of an opinion on anything. like theyre all too worried about being told they dont know what theyre talking about.
― StillAdvance, Thursday, 3 September 2015 10:44 (eight years ago) link
very sad to learn that FACT will no longer be publishing written content. we had some golden years back there and i'm proud of what we did - sometimes adding vital context and sometimes just noising up diplo for the lols. the real FACT magazine was truly the friends i made alo--— dj emotional recycling peacock (@chalravens) January 14, 2020
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link
Very garbage. I had a nice run writing for them for a while.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
This really blows. I read the magazine since it came out on paper in 2003. I can't imagine returning to Fact if it will be all-video, personally (but I guess I'm lol old).
John Xela had some things to say about it, too: https://twitter.com/johnxela
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:09 (four years ago) link